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See us at:    http://photos.yahoo.com/kamana

Click on Markland, then click a couple of times
on the picture.

This was not taken at our home but a friends'
home, where we were partying.  Here, the
lite kernel is looking stern while creating horns
on his poor old parents, unbeknownst to us.  
The lite kernel Jr. is seen in the far left background.
Note the red, white and blue flowers.

            - D. M.

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> > Cool.  Who took the photo, or did you have an
> > automatic thingy set up?
>
> A friend took the picture. . . with my digital
> camera
> which I've had for a few months and am just now
> getting around to using.
>
>               - D. M.

The digital camera is one of my future projects; but,
as it as, I've still got so much to learn about all of
this, I'm trying to take one step at a time.  At least
its distractions are welcome.

What a good looking family!  I had heard they grew
them healthy and handsome in Nebraska.

(I can't stand the Spell Check on yahoo!  Among other
things, it indicates [like a drug dog] at every
contraction, and drives me up the wall, as it stops on
all parts of addresses.)

Anyway, enjoy the rest of your weekend.  Maybe you'll
be able to regale us with some of the lite kernel's
stories later.


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On Sun, 6 Jul 2003, Sylvia Edwards wrote:

>"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
>>
>> The impending (so to speak) nuptials have elicited considerable discussion
>> and debate here at Acadiafest.  I have beem empowered by the group to
>> report that by a vote of 11-10 we wish the participants a happy marriage.
>>
>> cwv
>
>Ten of you need to be bitch slapped.

Well said, Sylvia.

Bethany

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--- Sylvia Edwards <s.words@POP.MINDSPRING.COM> wrote:
> "clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
> >
> > The impending (so to speak) nuptials have elicited
> considerable discussion
> > and debate here at Acadiafest.  I have beem
> empowered by the group to
> > report that by a vote of 11-10 we wish the
> participants a happy marriage.
> >
> > cwv
>
> Ten of you need to be bitch slapped.



>
> --
> Sylvia Edwards
> Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
> Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/

Should we ask for a voice vote?  Guess not. The
numbers would probably change dramatically.


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> > This was not taken at our home but a friends'
> > home, where we were partying.  Here, the
> > lite kernel is looking stern while creating horns
> > on his poor old parents, unbeknownst to us.
> > The lite kernel Jr. is seen in the far left
> > background.
> > Note the red, white and blue flowers.
> >
> >             - D. M.
>
> Cool.  Who took the photo, or did you have an
> automatic thingy set up?

A friend took the picture. . . with my digital camera
which I've had for a few months and am just now
getting around to using.

              - D. M.

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> This was not taken at our home but a friends'
> home, where we were partying.  Here, the
> lite kernel is looking stern while creating horns
> on his poor old parents, unbeknownst to us.
> The lite kernel Jr. is seen in the far left
> background.
> Note the red, white and blue flowers.
>
>             - D. M.

Cool.  Who took the photo, or did you have an
automatic thingy set up?


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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
>
> The impending (so to speak) nuptials have elicited considerable discussion
> and debate here at Acadiafest.  I have beem empowered by the group to
> report that by a vote of 11-10 we wish the participants a happy marriage.
>
> cwv

Ten of you need to be bitch slapped.

--
Sylvia Edwards
Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/

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Bonniemaev wrote:

> I added the last photos I have, including the official fest photo.  You
> will have to wait until other festers return home to their computers to get
> more photos.
>
> http://community.webshots.com/album/79515926MHrbZe

Great photos: lots of fun.

Kristin

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I trust the various other festers are reaching their destinations now.
I'm still impressed with Tracfone's towers, though they did peter out
when I got up into moose country.  Very pleasant drive along Moosehead
Lake.  Nice sandwich in Jackman.  Friendly border crossing.  Et Quebec
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>
> Anyway, enjoy the rest of your weekend.  Maybe you'll
> be able to regale us with some of the lite kernel's
> stories later.
-Lynne


As he says, if I told you I'd have to kill you.
Actually didn't hear many but he did bring
discs with interesting pictures.

               - D. M.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> See us at:    http://photos.yahoo.com/kamana

Now, Doris, you're becoming even prettier and prettier! Certainly these
three fine men of your family seen in the picture notice it as well.

Kristin

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I was just writing a brief description of the perfect event Chez
Voiglander when this computer froze.  Mainly I said that I would send
full report after I get home -- which will probably be the last report
submitted since I think I will be last home.  The Main Event was
absolutely perfect.  Both V's did glorious cooking, planning, hosting.
Better send this before computer freezes again.
   --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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Ditto!  Thanks to B&C for an excellent time & quesadilla!!!  The parade was
great - I have AVIs.  'Will post them to my FTP site tomorrow.  'Funny...
the one of me allegedly promising to reform somehow got erased :-\

My kids loved Maine.  Lillia expressed many thanks, and William was staring
out the window the whole way home... sad to leave.  He's only 8, or I would
guess he was besotted.

;-)  'Alan



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> I was just writing a brief description of the perfect event Chez
> Voiglander when this computer froze.  Mainly I said that I would send
> full report after I get home -- which will probably be the last report
> submitted since I think I will be last home.  The Main Event was
> absolutely perfect.  Both V's did glorious cooking, planning, hosting.
> Better send this before computer freezes again.
>    --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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He was interviewed tonight on (60 Minutes, I think).

He was delightful, and the story of his life was interesting.
But what amazed me was his appearance.  In the close-ups
which really showed his facial expressions, he was a
dead ringer for Kevin Spacey.  I think even his voice was
like KS's.  

I wonder if others have noticed that or if I'm alone.
Where is our puzzle writer so I can ask him?
He's been gone so long I can't even think of his name.

I'm reminded that I haven't done  NYT puzzle for a long
time.  I used to do them every week.  Guess I've been
busy with other things, and those puzzles are quite
consuming.  I loved them though.

I am going to start this week's puzzle right now.
I won't finish it tonight, but Gene has medical appointments
Monday and Tuesday in Omaha, and that will be my
perfect time-filler.

                  - D. M.

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        I wonder if others have noticed that or if I'm alone.
        Where is our puzzle writer so I can ask him?
        He's been gone so long I can't even think of his name.

Alas poor Myles.  Tempus Fugit.

I just dropped in to wish JMW at least as much happiness as
Anne & I have had, which I hope bodes well for the success of
Wordsler self-arranged-marriages.

G

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On Sun, 6 Jul 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

>I won't finish it tonight, but Gene has medical appointments
>Monday and Tuesday in Omaha, and that will be my
>perfect time-filler.

So how far are you from Omaha, Doris? I may be there to testify in the
Spring - and I may study there next summer.

Bethany

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At 08:53 PM 7/5/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>Acadiafest has concluded.  The participants have departed Casa Voigtlander,
>swearing undying love and devotion all around.  Tomorrow we will deal with
>the wreckage, which is not significant.
>
>William (Wild) and Ana (Rouvalis) are a great pair.  Lillia (Wild) is a
>lovely young lady.  Edward (Wild) is on his way to becoming a holy
>terror.  The other (adult) participants are to be commended on their
>deportment.  There were no threatening gestures from neighbors and the
>police did not make an appearance.  Good times, good food, great conversation.
>
>Thanks to all who came.  For those who didn't, well, you missed one.

It was great!  I made most promise that what happened in BH stays in BH but
I do have some revealing photos. I'll probably feel more like playing with
them and writing more tomorrow.

Our alarm went off at 2:45 this morning and  we made the trip to Portland
in three hours. They asked us if we would like to volunteer to leave an
hour later and go home through Detroit.  We flew home first class all the
way and have two round trip certificates to be used within a year. YaY.

Thanks, Bonnie and Clyde. We had a wonderful time. It was great having a
fest in a tourist town. There was something to do all the time close by. We
parked the car when we got there and it didn't move until July 5. The park
was beautiful.  I can easily see why you love it so.

Betty

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> On Sun, 6 Jul 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> >I won't finish it tonight, but Gene has medical appointments
> >Monday and Tuesday in Omaha, and that will be my
> >perfect time-filler.
>
> So how far are you from Omaha, Doris? I may be there to testify in the
> Spring - and I may study there next summer.
>
> Bethany

We are two hours from Omaha.  I guess that's a little
over 100 miles.  Our route is still two lanes, but bit
by bit they are working on 4 lanes.  Probably will not
be finished in my lifetime.  Would be wonderful.

                      - D. M.

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At 04:57 PM 7/6/2003 -0400, Alan Wild wrote:
>My kids loved Maine.  Lillia expressed many thanks, and William was staring
>out the window the whole way home... sad to leave.  He's only 8, or I would
>guess he was besotted.

I must admit that it's been a long time since I was "only 8," but I don't
think it is too early an age...

cwv

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At 03:33 PM 7/6/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>I was just writing a brief description of the perfect event Chez
>Voiglander when this computer froze.  Mainly I said that I would send
>full report after I get home -- which will probably be the last report
>submitted since I think I will be last home.  The Main Event was
>absolutely perfect.  Both V's did glorious cooking, planning, hosting.
>Better send this before computer freezes again.

Thank you.  It was a good group.

cwv

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At 11:35 AM 7/4/2003 -0500, John Williams wrote:
>MURRAY, KY.--Master Carl Bradley Short announces the recent engagement
>of his mother, Amy Louise Burns (Short) of Murray, and his future
>stepfather, John Mark Williams of Mesa, Ariz.
>
>     The wedding will take place in June 2004.
>
>     The family will reside in Mesa.

This is very exciting!  Congratulations all around.

Betty

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I've finished posting my AcadiaFest photos.

http://adamhartfield1937.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=32360

Enjoy!

--Adam

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--- Adam Hartfield <adamh1@COMCAST.NET> wrote:
> I've finished posting my AcadiaFest photos.
>
>
http://adamhartfield1937.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=32360
>
> Enjoy!
>
> --Adam

Great photos, Adam.  It's really nice to see folks one
has only been able to imagine.  This nice-looking
group could be perfectly normal people.


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> Our alarm went off at 2:45 this morning and  we made the trip to Portland
> in three hours. They asked us if we would like to volunteer to leave an
> hour later and go home through Detroit.  We flew home first class all the
> way and have two round trip certificates to be used within a year. YaY.
>
>
> Betty
>

Wow! That's incredible! When we went to Vegas a couple weeks ago, we also
each got a $400 America West certificate just for being willing to wait
another hour and a half.

But getting to fly first class in addition is amazing! Good for you :)

Sandra

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What a fabulous fest. Maine and Bah Hahbah are pretty as the
postcards. Bonnie and clyde are super gracious hosts and
Acadiafest was a blast. It was great seeing everyone again.

Details later in the week - I'm dead tired having driven the
280 miles from Adam's place in a shade under 5 hours. I
was dreading getting stuck in holiday weekend traffic in
Southern New England, GW bridge, NJTurnpike etc. but
everyone was speeding and I just kept up.

I want to go back to Bar Harbour.

-rashmi

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At 10:03 PM 7/6/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>I've finished posting my AcadiaFest photos.
>
>http://adamhartfield1937.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=32360

Okay, I hope I did this right.  I tried not to duplicate too many of Adam's.

http://betty9901.fotopic.net/

Betty

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At 04:28 AM 7/7/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>What a fabulous fest. Maine and Bah Hahbah are pretty as the
>postcards. Bonnie and clyde are super gracious hosts and
>Acadiafest was a blast. It was great seeing everyone again.

>I want to go back to Bar Harbour.

Me, too, and I didn't come by to get that tequila! Do you still have it?

Betty

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10:08 04.07.2003 -0400 skrev Evelyn Duncan:
>In a message dated 7/4/2003 3:00:29 AM Central Daylight Time, Espen.Ore@NB.NO
>writes:
><<
>All pagers are shut down in Norway this summer as outdated technology.
>
>>>
>
>What about those who need a way of being contacted at a job in which
>you can't carry a cell phone?

I don't know - some in-house system in for instance hospitals?

Espen

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22:03 06.07.2003 -0400 skrev Adam Hartfield:
>I've finished posting my AcadiaFest photos.
>
>http://adamhartfield1937.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=32360
>
>Enjoy!

I do! Thunder Hole looks like a Norwegian beach.

Espen

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Thank you very much to Bonne, Clyde, Adam and Betty for all the photos! The only thing I miss is the kayaking - where there no photographer?

Espen

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Hello Acadiafesters!

I just listened to my office voice mail.  Thanks for the call!  It
sounds like you had a wonderful time and I do wish that our (Ray's and
mine) schedules had been different.  Maybe next year :-)

Rita L.

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Adam, you take some great photos ;-)


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> I've finished posting my AcadiaFest photos.
>
> http://adamhartfield1937.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=32360
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> Enjoy!
>
> --Adam

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At 10:03 PM 7/6/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>I've finished posting my AcadiaFest photos.
>
>http://adamhartfield1937.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=32360
>
>Enjoy!

I did.  Great picture of Maureen.  Yes, as I discovered on the Great Head
hike, Rashmi definitely is a mountain goat, as well as being very observant
and appreciative of what she sees.

cwv

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At 09:35 PM 7/6/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:

>Okay, I hope I did this right.  I tried not to duplicate too many of Adam's.
>
>http://betty9901.fotopic.net/

Very nice.  The one of the preparations makes me look like the fastest
knife in the East.

cwv

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At 11:36 AM 7/7/2003 +0200, Espen Ore wrote:
>Thank you very much to Bonne, Clyde, Adam and Betty for all the photos!
>The only thing I miss is the kayaking - where there no photographer?

The morning that Lisa and Tina went kayaking, it was very foggy.  No other
Festers were along.

cwv

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On Sun, 6 Jul 2003, Betty wrote:
> Thanks, Bonnie and Clyde. We had a wonderful time. It was great having a
> fest in a tourist town. There was something to do all the time close by. We
> parked the car when we got there and it didn't move until July 5. The park
> was beautiful.  I can easily see why you love it so.
>

We arrived home last evening abt 6 pm, but no one was near email to let
you know. We managed to avoid heavy traffic most of the way, and I will
give the "obligatory" newbie whtmif later today.

I just want to add my thanks. Everything was lovely; the food was terrific
and plentiful; and the hosts were truly gracious. Thanks so much for
opening your homes and hearts for a memorable weekend.

clo

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At 11:36 AM 7/7/2003 +0200, Espen Ore wrote:
>Thank you very much to Bonne, Clyde, Adam and Betty for all the photos!
>The only thing I miss is the kayaking - where there no photographer?
>
>Espen

I think Lisa had her hands full with Tina who got sea sick. They probably
didn't take their camera.

Betty

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At 07:37 AM 7/7/2003 -0400, Rita Leonard wrote:
>Hello Acadiafesters!
>
>I just listened to my office voice mail.  Thanks for the call!  It
>sounds like you had a wonderful time and I do wish that our (Ray's and
>mine) schedules had been different.  Maybe next year :-)
>
>Rita L.

Yes!  And thanks for the gifts. Natalie was trying to collect all the pens.

Betty

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At 07:59 AM 7/7/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 09:35 PM 7/6/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>
>>Okay, I hope I did this right.  I tried not to duplicate too many of Adam's.
>>
>>http://betty9901.fotopic.net/
>
>Very nice.  The one of the preparations makes me look like the fastest
>knife in the East.

You definitely looked experienced!  Everything was so good. We're talked
about the three desserts but I have to mention how special each one
was.  The cheesecake was the best I have ever had as well as the creme
brulee.  ("Ana, come eat your creme brulee, you spoiled child!")  Everyone
has already raved about the apple pie!  Thanks, Bonnie.  You've set the
standard.

Betty

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On Sun, 6 Jul 2003, Sylvia Edwards wrote:

> "clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
> >
> > The impending (so to speak) nuptials have elicited considerable discussion
> > and debate here at Acadiafest.  I have beem empowered by the group to
> > report that by a vote of 11-10 we wish the participants a happy marriage.
> >
> > cwv
>
> Ten of you need to be bitch slapped.
>

Count again!
clo

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At 07:58 PM 7/3/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Someone report to me if Betty brought MIDDLESEX with her...
>
>Sandra

I did but the only time I had a chance to read was on the airplane and one
morning when I got up too early.  I'm at least half way done.

Betty

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In fourteen years, this is probably the first time I have wanted to say
"Natalie truly is mutant!"  :-)

Rita L.

Betty wrote:

> Yes!  And thanks for the gifts. Natalie was trying to collect all the
> pens.
>
> Betty


--

Rita Leonard
Information Technology Systems Services
O'Neill Library 544
Phone:  617-552-3403
Email: rita.leonard@bc.edu

"Whether you believe you can do a thing
 or not, you are right."  Henry Ford

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At 05:02 PM 7/5/2003 +0000, Amy Burns Short wrote:
>Thanks to all from both of us for the good wishes both on and off list.
>
>Although we will be running around, hither and yon, here are the telphone
>numbers; you are welcome to call either. Voice mail is functional at both
>numbers, as well.
>
>(270) 767-0328
>(270) 748-7004
>
>AS and JMW
>
>(The M is for "Married"!)

I called last night!  It is indeed confirmed for all  doubters! (We did
discuss that possibility because it took us by surprise. Brad was so
surprised that he called Acadiafest again!)  The first number was the home
phone and I talked to Amy's mother. It sounded as if they were still
partying there and she sounded very happy and wanted to give me Amy's cell
phone number because she was taking John to the airport. I wasn't sure I
wanted her to answer the phone while driving but what the heck, I called
anyway.  John answered. I think it took him a couple of minutes to register
who was calling and I did eventually get to talk to Amy, too. He was trying
to give her instructions while talking to me. (I hope they found that
Chinese food place!)

They are both ecstatic and it was fun talking to them. I found out that he
gave her "the rock" in May during one of her visits to Arizona.

Congratulations and I wish them the very best!

Betty

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It's not like she didn't already have several pens stuck in her purse. I
think she is becoming a bag lady.  :-)

Betty

At 09:04 AM 7/7/2003 -0400, Rita Leonard wrote:
>In fourteen years, this is probably the first time I have wanted to say
>"Natalie truly is mutant!"  :-)
>
>Rita L.
>
>Betty wrote:
>
>>Yes!  And thanks for the gifts. Natalie was trying to collect all the
>>pens.
>>
>>Betty
>
>
>--
>
>Rita Leonard
>Information Technology Systems Services
>O'Neill Library 544
>Phone:  617-552-3403
>Email: rita.leonard@bc.edu
>
>"Whether you believe you can do a thing
>or not, you are right."  Henry Ford

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Mem, the t-shirts are great. I wanted to suggest we all put them on for the
group photo but I knew the idea wouldn't fly. Everyone was pretty relaxed
and didn't want to be told to do anything.

Sharon, we paid for yours and picked it up so now we have a reason to get
together!  How about when Terry is here in August?

Betty

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Adam, Betty - the pictures are wonderful!  Mem, great job on the shirts.  It was a perfect weekend and Bonnie and Clyde have truly set the standard for future gatherings.  Thank you all.  I'll have more to say when I have more time.
 
BrP
 
 


>>> bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU 07/07/03 10:26AM >>>
Mem, the t-shirts are great. I wanted to suggest we all put them on for the
group photo but I knew the idea wouldn't fly. Everyone was pretty relaxed
and didn't want to be told to do anything.

Sharon, we paid for yours and picked it up so now we have a reason to get
together!  How about when Terry is here in August?

Betty

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I'm going to take it to work tomorrow and x-ray it. There is metal in there
someplace. They pulled me over every time. Last time they put the hat
through x-ray again. I didn't want her to take it away from me because I
was afraid that it would get squished so she put it in a container and let
me turn around and keep an eye on it. I probably made her even more
suspicious.  Strangers coveted (Hi, Tina!) my red hat.

Betty

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At 08:31 AM 7/6/2003 -0500, Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
> >
> > The impending (so to speak) nuptials have elicited considerable discussion
> > and debate here at Acadiafest.  I have beem empowered by the group to
> > report that by a vote of 11-10 we wish the participants a happy marriage.
> >
> > cwv
>
>Ten of you need to be bitch slapped.

I'd like to see you try it.

lisa



>--
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>Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
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At 11:35 AM 7/4/2003 -0500, John Williams wrote:

>MURRAY, KY.--Master Carl Bradley Short announces the recent engagement
>of his mother, Amy Louise Burns (Short) of Murray, and his future
>stepfather, John Mark Williams of Mesa, Ariz.
>
>     The wedding will take place in June 2004.
>
>     The family will reside in Mesa.

Indeed. YaY! Congratulations and best wishes to John, Amy and Master Carl.

-rashmi

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That was a beautiful hat, on a beautiful lady, Betty.

I believe you'll find micro-etchings in the metalic strip sewn into the
sweat band.  They are the key to deciphering the Wordslur glossary/glyphs...
such as personal salt shakers, egg-tray capacities, "folding versus
bunching", etc...

Alyce has entrusted it to you, so keep it out of the microwave  ;-)






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> I'm going to take it to work tomorrow and x-ray it. There is metal in
there
> someplace. They pulled me over every time. Last time they put the hat
> through x-ray again. I didn't want her to take it away from me because I
> was afraid that it would get squished so she put it in a container and let
> me turn around and keep an eye on it. I probably made her even more
> suspicious.  Strangers coveted (Hi, Tina!) my red hat.
>
> Betty

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On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Betty wrote:

> Mem, the t-shirts are great. I wanted to suggest we all put them on for the
> group photo but I knew the idea wouldn't fly. Everyone was pretty relaxed
> and didn't want to be told to do anything.
>
> Sharon, we paid for yours and picked it up so now we have a reason to get
> together!  How about when Terry is here in August?

Sounds good.  Late August, right?

Sharon

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>On Sun, 6 Jul 2003, Sylvia Edwards wrote:

> >"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
> >>
> >> The impending (so to speak) nuptials have elicited considerable
>discussion
>>>and debate here at Acadiafest.  I have beem empowered by the group to
> >> report that by a vote of 11-10 we wish the participants a happy
>marriage.
> >>
>>>cwv
> >
>>Ten of you need to be bitch slapped.
>
>Well said, Sylvia.

Two of you need to recalibrate your list/humor- meters.

Get a grip, lighten up etc etc

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At 11:29 AM 7/7/2003 -0400, Alan Wild wrote:
>That was a beautiful hat, on a beautiful lady, Betty.
>
>I believe you'll find micro-etchings in the metalic strip sewn into the
>sweat band.  They are the key to deciphering the Wordslur glossary/glyphs...
>such as personal salt shakers, egg-tray capacities, "folding versus
>bunching", etc...
>
>Alyce has entrusted it to you, so keep it out of the microwave  ;-)

Aha!  It is a magic hat.   More will be revealed as the years go by.

Thanks, Alan.

Betty

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At 11:36 AM 7/7/2003 +0200, Espen Ore wrote:
>Thank you very much to Bonne, Clyde, Adam and Betty for all the photos!
>The only thing I miss is the kayaking - where there no photographer?
>
>Espen

Tina and I were the only ones who did the kayaking and we didn't have a
digital. We only took a couple pics while paddling because it was awkward
and Tina wasn't feeling well.

When we get our few pics back, I'll post them.

lisa

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At 08:35 AM 7/7/2003 -0700, Sharon Ziperovich wrote:
>On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Betty wrote:
>
> > Mem, the t-shirts are great. I wanted to suggest we all put them on for the
> > group photo but I knew the idea wouldn't fly. Everyone was pretty relaxed
> > and didn't want to be told to do anything.
> >
> > Sharon, we paid for yours and picked it up so now we have a reason to get
> > together!  How about when Terry is here in August?
>
>Sounds good.  Late August, right?

August 15, 16, 17. Should we make Myles come to us this time or are you,
Ken, and Janet willing to drive there again? We only have the long week end
to show her everything. Armstrong Woods may be easier to access than Muir
on the week ends.

Betty

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I'm going to be entertaining my new brother-in-law and sisters-in-law
until the 16th.  So please do something on the 17th that I can attend.
I'm very happy to drive to where Myles is because I love the long chats in
the car with Ken.  That's when he catches me up on all the stuff that
flies over my head, like those subtle list romances.  I'll bet Bookrat
knew.

Sharon

On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Betty wrote:

> At 08:35 AM 7/7/2003 -0700, Sharon Ziperovich wrote:
> >On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Betty wrote:
> >
> > > Mem, the t-shirts are great. I wanted to suggest we all put them on for the
> > > group photo but I knew the idea wouldn't fly. Everyone was pretty relaxed
> > > and didn't want to be told to do anything.
> > >
> > > Sharon, we paid for yours and picked it up so now we have a reason to get
> > > together!  How about when Terry is here in August?
> >
> >Sounds good.  Late August, right?
>
> August 15, 16, 17. Should we make Myles come to us this time or are you,
> Ken, and Janet willing to drive there again? We only have the long week end
> to show her everything. Armstrong Woods may be easier to access than Muir
> on the week ends.
>
> Betty
>

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>On Sun, 6 Jul 2003, Sylvia Edwards wrote:

> >"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
> >>
> >> The impending (so to speak) nuptials have elicited considerable
>discussion
>>>and debate here at Acadiafest.  I have beem empowered by the group to
> >> report that by a vote of 11-10 we wish the participants a happy
>marriage.
> >>
>>>cwv
> >
>>Ten of you need to be bitch slapped.
>
>Well said, Sylvia.

Two of you need to recalibrate your list/humor- meters.

Get a grip, lighten up etc etc

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Sharon Ziperovich wrote:

> I'm going to be entertaining my new brother-in-law and sisters-in-law
> until the 16th.  So please do something on the 17th that I can attend.
> I'm very happy to drive to where Myles is because I love the long chats in
> the car with Ken.  That's when he catches me up on all the stuff that
> flies over my head, like those subtle list romances.  I'll bet Bookrat
> knew.
>
> Sharon

Rashmi says she knew. Her evidence was quite compelling.
clo

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At 02:54 PM 7/7/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>>On Sun, 6 Jul 2003, Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>
>> >"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The impending (so to speak) nuptials have elicited considerable
>>discussion
>>>>and debate here at Acadiafest.  I have beem empowered by the group to
>> >> report that by a vote of 11-10 we wish the participants a happy
>>marriage.
>> >>
>>>>cwv
>> >
>>>Ten of you need to be bitch slapped.
>>
>>Well said, Sylvia.
>
>Two of you need to recalibrate your list/humor- meters.
>
>Get a grip, lighten up etc etc

Just curious, Rashmi---when have you ever seen either of them display a
sense of humor?

cwv

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At 10:43 AM 7/7/2003 -0400, lisa alfieri wrote:
>At 08:31 AM 7/6/2003 -0500, Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>>"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
>> >
>> > The impending (so to speak) nuptials have elicited considerable discussion
>> > and debate here at Acadiafest.  I have beem empowered by the group to
>> > report that by a vote of 11-10 we wish the participants a happy marriage.
>> >
>> > cwv
>>
>>Ten of you need to be bitch slapped.
>
>I'd like to see you try it.
>
>lisa

Now, <that> would be worth the price of admission...

cwv

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7/7/2003, 11:05 AM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

CO> Rashmi says she knew. Her evidence was quite compelling.

I knew. Straight from the source, about a month ago.

dan

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At 01:06 PM 7/7/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 10:43 AM 7/7/2003 -0400, lisa alfieri wrote:
>>At 08:31 AM 7/6/2003 -0500, Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>>>"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
>>> >
>>> > The impending (so to speak) nuptials have elicited considerable
>>> discussion
>>> > and debate here at Acadiafest.  I have beem empowered by the group to
>>> > report that by a vote of 11-10 we wish the participants a happy marriage.
>>> >
>>> > cwv
>>>
>>>Ten of you need to be bitch slapped.
>>
>>I'd like to see you try it.
>>
>>lisa
>
>Now, <that> would be worth the price of admission...
>
>cwv

Well, I've been told, once, twice, maybe even 10 times, that I look like I
could hurt someone.

lisa

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----- Original Message -----
From: "lisa alfieri" <alfieri@comcast.net>
> At 08:31 AM 7/6/2003 -0500, Sylvia Edwards wrote:
> >"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
> > >
> > > The impending (so to speak) nuptials have elicited considerable
discussion
> > > and debate here at Acadiafest.  I have beem empowered by the group to
> > > report that by a vote of 11-10 we wish the participants a happy
marriage.
> > >
> > > cwv
> >
> >Ten of you need to be bitch slapped.
>
> I'd like to see you try it.
>
> lisa

Does this imply a certain amount of accountability?

'Alan  ;-P
(I never even was asked my vote!  ...  What? Huh?  Oh!  oh... it was a
joke... oh... I giiiit it :)

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----- Original Message -----
From: "lisa alfieri" <alfieri@comcast.net>
> Well, I've been told, once, twice, maybe even 10 times, that I look like I
> could hurt someone.
>
> lisa

Lisa, you broke *my* heart...  :-(

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At 09:21 AM 7/7/2003 -0700, Sharon Ziperovich wrote:
>I'm going to be entertaining my new brother-in-law and sisters-in-law
>until the 16th.  So please do something on the 17th that I can attend.
>I'm very happy to drive to where Myles is because I love the long chats in
>the car with Ken.  That's when he catches me up on all the stuff that
>flies over my head, like those subtle list romances.  I'll bet Bookrat
>knew.

Okay.  Janet isn't going to be in town that week end. Ken, will you be
free? Anyone else?
Do you have suggestions for her visit, Sharon?

Betty

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First and foremost I would like to thank our hosts for the wonderful job
they did. They presented the idea, the options and the rules. Their hard
work made for a successful and enjoyable fest for one and all.

Bonnie and Clyde, job well done my friends!

Here's my rather lengthy report...

Wednesday night, July 2nd, I felt like I was 8 again. It's the first time
in a long time I was so excited for a vacation, I couldn't sleep.

Thursday morning, July 3rd the alarm clock went off at 5:40 am. I cannot
tell you the last time I got up at that hour. I'm reasonably sure I've
never gotten up at that hour and felt as good as I did that day.

Our trek to Bar Harbor took just over 5 hours of driving time. We made a
couple pit stops so it took us just over 5.5 hours overall.

The most frustrating part of the trip was at the 267 mile mark. We were in
Ellsworth and had 13 miles to go. We were inching along in traffic.  I
started to panic, we were never going to get to BH at that rate. Then off
to my right I see it. It = Walmart. WALMART!!! That was our hold up. I
admit, I cursed Natalie. Even if she wasn't there, as I'd suspected, it was
her fault! Clyde later told me it's always like that so I officially
apologize to Natalie.

We were checked in by 12:30. It wasn't soon after that we met Betty and
Larry in the lobby of the Hearthside. Immediately I knew Larry was a great guy.

Tina and I set off to explore BH. A block away we met Natalie, Rashmi and
Adam. Natalie told me about her cell phone experience from Knoxville to
Boston. Rashmi and Tina talked. Adam hugged and snapped pictures.

While the others went on Oli's Trolley Tina and I went off on our own. We
would meet at Mache that night.

Dinner and conversation was fabulous. The bill for it all was brilliant.

The "curious" moment of the evening were the gawkers. Inn owner friends of
B&C phoned to ask if it was OK to drop in an observe us while we socialized
together. I'm only sorry we didn't start swinging from the ceiling until
after B&C and their friends had left. Mache will truly never be the same
but it's not a bad thing.

On the morning of July 4th Tina and I set off on a 2.5 hour kayak tour of
the harbor. I quickly divided our group of 9 into, cool people and
complainers. The cool people hung out with us an the three complainers did
whatever it is their type does.

Initially we loved kayaking. Ultimately, Tina feels about it the same way I
feel about riding on the back of her motorcycle. The difference is, I'll
ride on the back of her bike again, she likely will never again float on
seas calm or rough.

We ate a sub-par lunch at Maine Street. This was a family style haunt
recommended by our kayak guide. In all fairness Tina did like her burger.
The trouble was mainly with the clam roll I ordered. In all seriousness I
think it had 8 fried clams on it. I guess I was being spared for better
foodstuffs to come.

I convinced Tina we should bike to B&C's house to say hello. It's a short
trip up three hills. I know our love is strong because although she walked
her bike up two of the hills and grumbled at me a bit, we're still together.

Oddly, B&C weren't home. We couldn't quite figure this out. We sat in the
yard for about 5 minutes and figured they were off hiking or helping Rita
or just hiding in some BH hidden jewel that they knew no fester could find.

We went back to our room for a snack and a nap before we were to meet at
Geddy's for dinner.

Somehow we managed to get the group into the given space. It was cozy but
we got along fine. Maybe we were high off the fumes of Betty's margarita.
Betty scoffed, this was no yard, it was a paltry fish bowl of a drink.
She's a pro and handled it well.

With dinner over we tried to get ourselves together for the fireworks. Tina
and I were going to walk around, get jackets and try to find people when it
was time for the blasts to begin. We did get our jackets but we never made
it past the end of our street. There was a clearing, we had a nice view and
there were no crowds so we stayed put and enjoyed the lengthy show.

I made my way across the street for weak coffee and strong toll house
cookie pie. Tina joined me for a few bites which were merely a vehicle to
help her wash her milk down. We people watched and kept a running
commentary to amuse ourselves before turning in for the night.

July 5th Tina and I took the morning plus a little extra to explore the
park. We snapped photos at the top of Cadillac Mt. My ankles got a headache
in the water at sand beach. We enjoyed the twists and turns of the park
loop. We got a small taste of local flavor when we stopped to get a little
snack at a convenience store on the way back.

After showering and dressing we stopped for booze and a birthday card. For
the second time in two days we blew right past B&C's house. It wasn't until
Tina spotted Rashmi walking about that she said, "oh thaaat white picket
fence".

Tina is still raving about Clyde's salad. I'm wondering if I'd be so
inclined as to attempt making his pork loin. We each had 1.5 quesadilla's
and enjoyed every flavorful bit of them. I'm not sure how much of the salad
Tina had but she enjoyed it so much she tried to replicated when we got
home last night.

The definite highlight for me was the trifecta of desserts Bonnie
presented. My sweet tooth is bigger than Acadia National Park. Among my top
five desserts are creme brulee and apple crisp. Cheese cake ranks in the
top ten. That is, until I tasted Bonnie's cheese cake. I'd love to have the
recipe but I'm not sure I'd actually make it. It was so fantastic I would
hate to disappoint myself with an attempt that could easily fall short.

As much as the creme brulee nearly put Bonnie over the edge in a bad way, I
think it put a lot of us over the edge in an very good way.

Never mind apple crisp, Bonnie's french apple pie is heavenly.

After snacking, smoking, voting (bitch slaps to everyone who doesn't get a
good joke when s/he sees one) and gossiping, Tina rapidly worked through 9
cameras snapping the group photo for all but Betty and Larry (sorry 'bout
that folks).

When the main event was over some of us actually headed out for a late dinner.

A stunned Karen handled a blunt Tina well.

Adam was shot down when he asked for an honorary uterus. He had to settle
for a salad instead.

Rashmi was lured into drinking by sipping from my glass of pomegranate martini.

Clo showed up just as we were dispersing. Initially I thought I'd hang out
a while longer. Unfortunately I decided that sleep was in order as we were
going to be facing an early rise and a long ride home.

Tina and I were up some time before 7am. We loaded the car, mounted the
bikes, gassed the car and headed home. I was a little whiny about missing
another great breakfast at the Inn but, I'd overindulged for days and
eventually made up for it with a fattening yet tasteless breakfast on the road.

The trip home took just under 6 hours of driving time. We stopped a few
times, once for the terrible breakfast at Governor's. We only hit a few
patches of traffic on the way and arrived early enough to settle back in
before having to return to work today.

Overall, I had a terrific time. It was great seeing people I hadn't seen in
nearly 10 years. It was fantastic to meet new people. The location couldn't
have been more beautiful and interesting.

I'd heard a lot of people teasing B&C about wanting go back next year. I
think there was some truth to their "jokes". BH is a great place, B&C did a
wonderful job. We each enjoyed what we made of our vacations. This
combination of positive experiences makes it tempting to want to repeat.

We all know we can't though and not because we don't want to be the death
of B&C but because we all know that magic like we experienced in BH is not
repeatable.

lisa

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Alan:

> > I'd like to see you try it.
> >
> > lisa

>Does this imply a certain amount of accountability?
>
>'Alan  ;-P
>(I never even was asked my vote!  ...  What? Huh?  Oh!  oh... it was a
>joke... oh... I giiiit it :)

The sneaky PTB held the vote while you were out playing frisbee.

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clo:

>Rashmi says she knew.

Not knew exactly. Let's say I was not surprised.

>Her evidence was quite compelling.

What happened in BH stays in BH. Nothing leaves the back yahd.

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>
> At 09:21 AM 7/7/2003 -0700, Sharon Ziperovich wrote:
> >I'm going to be entertaining my new brother-in-law and sisters-in-law
> >until the 16th.  So please do something on the 17th that I can attend.
> >I'm very happy to drive to where Myles is because I love the
> long chats in
> >the car with Ken.  That's when he catches me up on all the stuff that
> >flies over my head, like those subtle list romances.  I'll bet Bookrat
> >knew.
>
> Okay.  Janet isn't going to be in town that week end. Ken, will you be
> free? Anyone else?
> Do you have suggestions for her visit, Sharon?
>
> Betty


I think that's the time I'll be in Oregon with friends. Flyfishing. It's
catch & release only....and I just don't see the point of it. But the
company should be a lot of fun, so I'll go anyway.

Sandra

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Meant to say yesterday -- I listened to the Nields all the way to the
Canadian border -- then felt compelled to switch to French music.
Anyway, I loved the listening.  It reminded me of heading to the
Hartfield Airport from Germantown, except that I was more awake
yesterday morning.

I've been pondering heading down through Burlington tomorrow on the
chance that I might bump into Howard.  But I really need to move
rapidly, and that's not the best route.  I may well be zooming through
Syracuse but with no stopping to try to track down Clo and BrP since,
as I said, I've gotta <make tracks>.
   --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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>
> At 10:03 PM 7/6/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >I've finished posting my AcadiaFest photos.
> >
> >http://adamhartfield1937.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=32360
>
> Okay, I hope I did this right.  I tried not to duplicate too many
> of Adam's.
>
> http://betty9901.fotopic.net/
>
> Betty


I just took a look at both sets of photos....what a terrific job you both
did :)

Thanks so much!

Sandra

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> MURRAY, KY.--Master Carl Bradley Short announces the recent engagement
> of his mother, Amy Louise Burns (Short) of Murray, and his future
> stepfather, John Mark Williams of Mesa, Ariz.
>
>     The wedding will take place in June 2004.
>
>     The family will reside in Mesa.

Congratulations to you all!   Time for another cookbook!

Terry

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At 09:15 PM 07/07/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

>What happened in BH stays in BH. Nothing leaves the back yahd.

But there remains one burning question: Did Clo light Rita's fire?

I can't add to or improve on the previous reports. All the rave reviews
regarding Bonnie and Clyde's hospitality, and cooking were not exaggerated
in the slightest. Bonnie has been holding out on us though. Her creme
brulee and cheese cake are legendary and rightfully so, but she also makes
an apple pie that is out of this world.
The Bar Harbor/Acadia area is truly beautiful and the three days we were
there weren't nearly enough. I can easily understand why Bonnie and Clyde
feel they have found a little piece of heaven on earth.
Of course the best part of any fest is the attendees and it was great fun
renewing old acquaintances and making new friends. I look forward  to
seeing everyone again.

Larry

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> MURRAY, KY.--Master Carl Bradley Short announces the recent engagement
> of his mother, Amy Louise Burns (Short) of Murray, and his future
> stepfather, John Mark Williams of Mesa, Ariz.

Congratulations!

(everything else has already been said)

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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At 09:07 PM 7/7/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > MURRAY, KY.--Master Carl Bradley Short announces the recent engagement
> > of his mother, Amy Louise Burns (Short) of Murray, and his future
> > stepfather, John Mark Williams of Mesa, Ariz.
>
>Congratulations!
>
>(everything else has already been said)

I keep reading the subject line as "Wordslers to Wednesday".

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> > MURRAY, KY.--Master Carl Bradley Short announces the recent engagement
> > of his mother, Amy Louise Burns (Short) of Murray, and his future
> > stepfather, John Mark Williams of Mesa, Ariz.
>
>Congratulations!
>
>(everything else has already been said)

I'm happy that Words-L's reputation as a dating service is alive and well.

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At 01:16 AM 7/8/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>> > MURRAY, KY.--Master Carl Bradley Short announces the recent engagement
>> > of his mother, Amy Louise Burns (Short) of Murray, and his future
>> > stepfather, John Mark Williams of Mesa, Ariz.
>>
>>Congratulations!
>>
>>(everything else has already been said)
>
>I'm happy that Words-L's reputation as a dating service is alive and well.

It should be added in the introduction to the list.

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Anyone else get one?

Betty

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From: "Adam Hartfield" <adamh1@comcast.net>
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Subject: RE: Acadiafest Photos
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> Okay, I hope I did this right.  I tried not to duplicate too many
> of Adam's.
>
> http://betty9901.fotopic.net/
>
> Betty

Good pictures, Betty.

And many thanks to Bonnie and Clyde for a great party. It made my
longest-road-trip-ever and most-nights-spent-in-a-hotel-ever well worth it.
:D I don't know if I'm going to do a WHTM...there's just too much!

--Adam
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From: "Adam Hartfield" <adamh1@comcast.net>
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> Adam, you take some great photos ;-)

Thanks, Alan, uh, I think, maybe.

--Adam
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At 09:52 PM 7/7/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>And many thanks to Bonnie and Clyde for a great party. It made my
>longest-road-trip-ever and most-nights-spent-in-a-hotel-ever well worth it.
>:D I don't know if I'm going to do a WHTM...there's just too much!

Are you ready for the next one? It isn't  that far from your place, is it?
I'm glad you were there, Adam.

Betty

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> A stunned Karen handled a blunt Tina well.
>
> Adam was shot down when he asked for an honorary uterus. He had to settle
> for a salad instead.

It was a good salad.

--Adam
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> Meant to say yesterday -- I listened to the Nields all the way to the
> Canadian border -- then felt compelled to switch to French music.
> Anyway, I loved the listening.  It reminded me of heading to the
> Hartfield Airport from Germantown, except that I was more awake
> yesterday morning.

Heh. That would be the Hartford airport.

Did you listen to the Ann Borkin mix CD yet?

(I gave Natalie two CDs from my car changer collection.)

--Adam
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> It should be added in the introduction to the list.

If I could figure out how to change that stuff, maybe I would.

--Adam
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> Are you ready for the next one? It isn't  that far from your place, is it?

Which location? Namibia or the alternate? I think they're equidistant for
me.

> I'm glad you were there, Adam.

Thanks. Me, too.

(avoids alt.cuddle morphing)

--Adam
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At 10:12 PM 7/7/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > Are you ready for the next one? It isn't  that far from your place, is it?
>
>Which location? Namibia or the alternate? I think they're equidistant for
>me.

We have to wait for the official announcement. I don't know what happened
to Namibia.

Betty

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On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > MURRAY, KY.--Master Carl Bradley Short announces the recent engagement
> > of his mother, Amy Louise Burns (Short) of Murray, and his future
> > stepfather, John Mark Williams of Mesa, Ariz.
>
> Congratulations!
>
> (everything else has already been said)

Well, there's Bonne Chance . . .  but if I say it like that it might sound
nasty.  So I say Felicitations and happy new family and huzzah for love.

Ann

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BB:

>We have to wait for the official announcement. I don't know what happened
>to Namibia.

It's still there. How many meebers would be interested in a trip to Namibia
next year?

-rashmi

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One of my favorite parts of the trip was the morning Adam and I window-
shopped followed by a lazy picnic lunch (lobster rolls) in the village
square.
Prime people-watching territory. We were so engrossed doing nothing that
we failed to recognize Ana and Rita until they came over and said hello.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Hartfield" <adamh1@COMCAST.NET>
> > Adam, you take some great photos ;-)
>
> Thanks, Alan, uh, I think, maybe.

No no no... don't be like that... damn it.  Look at pict0121 of Bonnie and
Tina at Mache Bistro's.  It's a classic waiting to happen.  Look at the
balance, look at the nuances... the two girls, a similar flower in each
glass behind them standing on something in the window, both curtains
billowing.  They are both consumed by their own particular brand of
libation, and both are wondering, as you are right now... as I am too ;-)
The reflections in the shiny wood of the bar tell of clouded memories over
which the towers of alcohol stand.

I dig it.

'Alan

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Has anyone heard from Theo recently, or have I missed
a no mail?

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A hearty thank you (again!) to Bonnie and Clyde!

Lillia summed the experience up as "We should have come for a week!"
So much to do, so little time!

Terry

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At 08:48 PM 7/7/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
>Has anyone heard from Theo recently, or have I missed
>a no mail?

  Ordinarily, nomail commands do not appear on the list; she hasn't posted
recently, i.e., the last four or five days.

cwv

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At 12:01 AM 7/8/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:
>A hearty thank you (again!) to Bonnie and Clyde!
>
>Lillia summed the experience up as "We should have come for a week!"
>So much to do, so little time!

Glad you enjoyed it.  I'm sitting here balancing Lillia's comment against
those sometimes heard here:  "We did the Park this morning, now what should
we do?"

cwv

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7/7/2003, 9:48 PM, Lynne Weber wrote:

LW> Has anyone heard from Theo recently, or have I missed
LW> a no mail?

She posted congrats in response to the betrothal announcement.

dan

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At 6:01 PM -0700 7/6/03, Betty wrote:
>It was great!  I made most promise that what happened in BH stays in BH but

Yeah, sure.  I'll bet it was Lompoc all over again.  Who posted bail for
you *this* time, Bad Betty?

Ken Miller
Elwood P. Dowd School of Hospitality

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>Okay.  Janet isn't going to be in town that week end. Ken, will you be
>free? Anyone else?
>Do you have suggestions for her visit, Sharon?
>
>Betty

Guess who's workplace is having a Grand Opening on Friday, August 15,
replete with the Grambling State University Tiger Marching Band?  I hope to
have Saturday and Sunday free, but Sunday is a better bet than Saturday.

Ken Miller
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  Well Natalie, i would feel snubbed if it weren't for the fact that I'll be in Ottawa when you zoom through Syracuse.
 
 
BrP
 
 
 
 


>>> maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU 07/07/03 05:17PM >>>

I've been pondering heading down through Burlington tomorrow on the
chance that I might bump into Howard.  But I really need to move
rapidly, and that's not the best route.  I may well be zooming through
Syracuse but with no stopping to try to track down Clo and BrP since,
as I said, I've gotta <make tracks>.
   --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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Here's the whole download from my camera...  Some are worthwhile.

ftp://wordslur:FullM00n@ftp.mis.uri.edu/acadiafest

'Alan

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More nice pics!  Thanks for posting them.  I love the Edward and Papa pic with the parade going on in the background.  The two of you have the exact same expression.
 
 
BrP


>>> awild@URI.EDU 07/08/03 10:04AM >>>
Here's the whole download from my camera...  Some are worthwhile.

ftp://wordslur:FullM00n@ftp.mis.uri.edu/acadiafest 

'Alan

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I really got a kick out of the Shriners on their go-carts... check out #29
of the AVIs.

Paul, we had fun!  ;-)

'Alan


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More nice pics!  Thanks for posting them.  I love the Edward and Papa pic
with the parade going on in the background.  The two of you have the exact
same expression.


BrP


>>> awild@URI.EDU 07/08/03 10:04AM >>>
Here's the whole download from my camera...  Some are worthwhile.

ftp://wordslur:FullM00n@ftp.mis.uri.edu/acadiafest

'Alan

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I am not an expert on a lot of things, but I am developing an arsenal, at
least, for dealing with airlines. I got to the airport yesterday early,
then cooled my heels until well past my flight time to Chicago (5:50
p.m.). Finally, well after 7 p.m. (the United 1:00 flight to Chicago left
at 7:30), we were given info. My flight was to leave after 8 p.m. - far
too late for me to make any connections to Sydney.

I inquired about being rebooked on another airline (I have been
switched to Delta when going to Sydney in the past). The agent told me
that I had a restricted ticket and I could not be rebooked on another
airline. The earliest he could get me out on United was Wed. (tomorrow) at
1 p.m. - arriving Sydney Fri a.m. The conf. ends at noon Saturday, so that
did not make any sense. So I am in Knoxville, planning a pleasant week
here.

My agent has jut told me that my ticket was NOT restricted - that I should
have been put on another airline. She is now dealing with Customer
Relations re a refund and credit.

So it goes ... sometimes.

Bethany

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Yes we did.  I enjoyed meeting you all.  
 

>>> awild@URI.EDU 07/08/03 10:37AM >>>

Paul, we had fun!  ;-)

'Alan

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Off to Ottawa.  See y'all Monday.
 
BrP
 
 

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Paul Barfoot wrote:

> Off to Ottawa.  See y'all Monday.
>
> BrP

Have a great trip!
clo

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At 06:44 AM 7/8/2003 -0600, Dan Lester wrote:
>7/7/2003, 9:48 PM, Lynne Weber wrote:
>
>LW> Has anyone heard from Theo recently, or have I missed
>LW> a no mail?
>
>She posted congrats in response to the betrothal announcement.

Dan, when do you leave for your trip?  I forgot. Did you ever find out if
you could check that one bag to Chicago only?  Of course you could carry it
on the plane and have your daughter meet you and give it to her.  <g>

Your trip sounds great and I hope you'll give us a full report.

Betty

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At 03:04 AM 7/8/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>BB:
>
>>We have to wait for the official announcement. I don't know what happened
>>to Namibia.
>
>It's still there. How many meebers would be interested in a trip to Namibia
>next year?

Waving hands frantically!!  We have to know though because it's Alaska if not.

Betty

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steph:
> We have a problem with our French colleagues because they go out
> Friday (well, every day, but Friday's the problem) and have a
> long late lunch with plenty of wine, and then decide to escalate
> minor problems which have been festering for two weeks to

Maybe that was Bush's problem with them, too.

> Certainly you can do that after just one beer.  I have to get in
> the car.

I am not familiar with this expression "just one beer".

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At 06:05 AM 7/8/2003 -0700, Bookrat wrote:
> >Okay.  Janet isn't going to be in town that week end. Ken, will you be
> >free? Anyone else?
> >Do you have suggestions for her visit, Sharon?
> >
> >Betty
>
>Guess who's workplace is having a Grand Opening on Friday, August 15,
>replete with the Grambling State University Tiger Marching Band?  I hope to
>have Saturday and Sunday free, but Sunday is a better bet than Saturday.

Sunday it is then.  That suit Sharon, too.  Terry wants to see steep hills
and big trees.  We can do that!

Betty

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At 11:49 AM 7/8/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>Paul Barfoot wrote:
>
> > Off to Ottawa.  See y'all Monday.
> >
> > BrP
>
>Have a great trip!
>clo

Hey, missy.  We're waiting for the newbie report!

Betty

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Bethany:
> then cooled my heels until well past my flight time to Chicago (5:50
> p.m.). Finally, well after 7 p.m. (the United 1:00 flight to Chicago left

I can assure you that O'Hare was a mess yesterday
afternoon/evening/night.  I was weeping inconsolable
tears until speaking with folks who had started to
measure their delay in terms of days.

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boy wrote:

> > I am not familiar with this expression "just one beer".

LOL!

quotd!
Ironically, it popped up as I was on the phone with a friend
who was quoting an ex's mother:

"A day without beer is like a day without sunshine".

clo

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At 05:55 AM 7/8/2003 -0700, Bookrat wrote:
>At 6:01 PM -0700 7/6/03, Betty wrote:
> >It was great!  I made most promise that what happened in BH stays in BH but
>
>Yeah, sure.  I'll bet it was Lompoc all over again.  Who posted bail for
>you *this* time, Bad Betty?

I missed you, Boo!  You needed to be there.

Betty

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From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@isc.upenn.edu>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Rashmi Murthy
>Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 11:04 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Acadiafest Photos
>
>
>BB:
>
>>We have to wait for the official announcement. I don't know
>what happened
>>to Namibia.
>
>It's still there. How many meebers would be interested in a
>trip to Namibia
>next year?
>
>-rashmi
>
No.


alec

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7/8/2003, 10:02 AM, Betty Clark wrote:

>>She posted congrats in response to the betrothal announcement.

BC> Dan, when do you leave for your trip?  I forgot. Did you ever find out if
BC> you could check that one bag to Chicago only?  Of course you could carry it
BC> on the plane and have your daughter meet you and give it to her.  <g>

The problem is it is a metal toolbox, and it wouldn't fit in overhead
compartment.  Your basic hip-roof mechanics toolbox.  Anyway, don't
have answer, but think I can, but will check with United or travel
agent.

We leave Thursday for RaleighDurham, then drive up to Afton VA for
family reunion.  Return on Monday.  Fairly long trip for a long
weekend, but ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

BC> Your trip sounds great and I hope you'll give us a full report.

The Europe trip has us gone from Aug 1--24.  Will report on that, and
will have a ton of pix, I'm sure.


dan

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> Bethany:
> > then cooled my heels until well past my flight time to Chicago (5:50
> > p.m.). Finally, well after 7 p.m. (the United 1:00 flight to
> Chicago left
>
> I can assure you that O'Hare was a mess yesterday
> afternoon/evening/night.  I was weeping inconsolable
> tears until speaking with folks who had started to
> measure their delay in terms of days.

FWIW, Frankfurt was also a mess yesterday. Our planned 4.5 hour layover turned to nine hours. Total travel time for me from hotel to driveway was 27 hours. Ug. (That includes a 20 minute nap at a rest area on the Garden State Parkway at 10:40 PM).

Marie

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7/8/2003, 10:55 AM, Dan Lester wrote:

BC>> Dan, when do you leave for your trip?  I forgot. Did you ever find out if
BC>> you could check that one bag to Chicago only?  Of course you could carry it
BC>> on the plane and have your daughter meet you and give it to her.  <g>

DL> The problem is it is a metal toolbox, and it wouldn't fit in overhead
DL> compartment.  Your basic hip-roof mechanics toolbox.  Anyway, don't
DL> have answer, but think I can, but will check with United or travel
DL> agent.

Might as well answer my own post.  Travel agent said shouldn't be any
problem checking the bag just to Chicago.  Yeah, I'll be sure right
tag gets on right bag.

dan

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bethany K. Dumas
>Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 11:10 AM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: fighting the airlines (read this, alec)
>
>
>I am not an expert on a lot of things, but I am developing an
>arsenal, at
>least, for dealing with airlines. I got to the airport yesterday early,
>then cooled my heels until well past my flight time to Chicago (5:50
>p.m.). Finally, well after 7 p.m. (the United 1:00 flight to
>Chicago left
>at 7:30), we were given info. My flight was to leave after 8 p.m. - far
>too late for me to make any connections to Sydney.
>
>I inquired about being rebooked on another airline (I have been
>switched to Delta when going to Sydney in the past). The agent told me
>that I had a restricted ticket and I could not be rebooked on another
>airline. The earliest he could get me out on United was Wed.
>(tomorrow) at
>1 p.m. - arriving Sydney Fri a.m. The conf. ends at noon
>Saturday, so that
>did not make any sense. So I am in Knoxville, planning a pleasant week
>here.
>
>My agent has jut told me that my ticket was NOT restricted -
>that I should
>have been put on another airline. She is now dealing with Customer
>Relations re a refund and credit.
>
>So it goes ... sometimes.
>
>Bethany
>

Should have left more time. Always have a backup plan. Too bad. Good luck
fighting United.


alec

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At 01:03 PM 7/8/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > Bethany:
> > > then cooled my heels until well past my flight time to Chicago (5:50
> > > p.m.). Finally, well after 7 p.m. (the United 1:00 flight to
> > Chicago left
> >
> > I can assure you that O'Hare was a mess yesterday
> > afternoon/evening/night.  I was weeping inconsolable
> > tears until speaking with folks who had started to
> > measure their delay in terms of days.
>
>FWIW, Frankfurt was also a mess yesterday. Our planned 4.5 hour layover
>turned to nine hours. Total travel time for me from hotel to driveway was
>27 hours. Ug. (That includes a 20 minute nap at a rest area on the Garden
>State Parkway at 10:40 PM).
>
>Marie

That happened to me on my way to Italy and the lay over was in Frankfurt.
By the time we arrived in Florence, we'd been travelling for 24 painful,
nearly sleepless hours.

Glad you're home safe and sound.

lisa

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Marie Ascher
>Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 1:04 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>> Bethany:
>> > then cooled my heels until well past my flight time to
>Chicago (5:50
>> > p.m.). Finally, well after 7 p.m. (the United 1:00 flight to
>> Chicago left
>>
>> I can assure you that O'Hare was a mess yesterday
>> afternoon/evening/night.  I was weeping inconsolable
>> tears until speaking with folks who had started to
>> measure their delay in terms of days.
>
>FWIW, Frankfurt was also a mess yesterday. Our planned 4.5
>hour layover turned to nine hours. Total travel time for me
>from hotel to driveway was 27 hours. Ug. (That includes a 20
>minute nap at a rest area on the Garden State Parkway at 10:40 PM).
>
>Marie
>

Welcome back, Marie. Frankfurt can be crazy. I like Amsterdam's airport
better.


alec

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Alan Wild
>Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 10:04 AM
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>
>
>Here's the whole download from my camera...  Some are worthwhile.
>
>ftp://wordslur:FullM00n@ftp.mis.uri.edu/acadiafest
>
>'Alan
>

Love having a Internet2 connection with URI. Made downloading the whole
directory, easy.



alec

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On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>Should have left more time. Always have a backup plan. Too bad. Good luck
>fighting United.

Thanks. I had a backup plan. Stay home. I'm okay. I spent the morning
arranging to put my presentation slides and handout on a webpage - I'll
post the URL later. I am counting on my travel agent.

Bethany

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU>
> >Here's the whole download from my camera...  Some are worthwhile.
> >
> >ftp://wordslur:FullM00n@ftp.mis.uri.edu/acadiafest
> >
> >'Alan
> >
>
> Love having a Internet2 connection with URI. Made downloading the whole
> directory, easy.
>
>
>
> alec

I've found that Windows Media Player 9 works with the AVIs... The camera is
a Canon Powershot S40, and I didn't find the option for any other video
format types.

Those Shriner nuts are high risk ;-)  I wonder what else they do for fun...

'Alan

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Alan Wild
>Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 1:38 PM
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>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU>
>> >Here's the whole download from my camera...  Some are worthwhile.
>> >
>> >ftp://wordslur:FullM00n@ftp.mis.uri.edu/acadiafest
>> >
>> >'Alan
>> >
>>
>> Love having a Internet2 connection with URI. Made
>downloading the whole
>> directory, easy.
>>
>>
>>
>> alec
>
>I've found that Windows Media Player 9 works with the AVIs...
>The camera is
>a Canon Powershot S40, and I didn't find the option for any other video
>format types.
>
>Those Shriner nuts are high risk ;-)  I wonder what else they
>do for fun...
>
>'Alan
>

AVIs work well. The pics and the movies were great. People at work got a
great laugh.



alec

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'Alan:
> Those Shriner nuts are high risk ;-)  I wonder what else they do for fun...

Control the British crown, keep the metric
system down, leave Atlantis off the map,
keep the Martians under wraps, etc.

H. Simpson

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At 01:37 PM 7/8/2003 -0400, Alan Wild wrote:
>Those Shriner nuts are high risk ;-)  I wonder what else they do for fun...
>
>'Alan

That looked like so much fun!  I'd never seen that in a parade before.

Betty

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In a message dated 7/7/2003 9:48:23 PM, lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:

>Has anyone heard from Theo recently, or have I missed
>a no mail?
>
I'm here. Glad you people are back again; it was lonely in these woods
without y'all. Also haven't had any luck d/l the pictures!
Guess I'll just have to do with all the stories that are coming in
 about all the good times y'all had. Theo

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http://www.shockhaber.com/zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.htm

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Ohhhh, <That's> why they call you Bad Betty!

clo

Betty Clark wrote:

> http://www.shockhaber.com/zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.htm

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Thanks, Betty!   I needed that :-)

Rita L.

Betty Clark wrote:

> http://www.shockhaber.com/zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.htm


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"Whether you believe you can do a thing
 or not, you are right."  Henry Ford

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> Glad you enjoyed it.  I'm sitting here balancing Lillia's comment against
> those sometimes heard here:  "We did the Park this morning, now what
> should we do?"
>
> cwv

They need to think outside the loop. :-)

Terry

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> Thanks. I had a backup plan. Stay home. I'm okay. I
> spent the morning
> arranging to put my presentation slides and handout
> on a webpage - I'll
> post the URL later. I am counting on my travel
> agent.
>
> Bethany

My faith in you is justified.  I knew you'd find a way
to post, even if it's only from Knoxville.

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On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Betty Clark wrote:

> At 06:05 AM 7/8/2003 -0700, Bookrat wrote:
> > >Okay.  Janet isn't going to be in town that week end. Ken, will you be
> > >free? Anyone else?
> > >Do you have suggestions for her visit, Sharon?
> > >
> > >Betty
> >
> >Guess who's workplace is having a Grand Opening on Friday, August 15,
> >replete with the Grambling State University Tiger Marching Band?  I hope to
> >have Saturday and Sunday free, but Sunday is a better bet than Saturday.
>
> Sunday it is then.  That suit Sharon, too.  Terry wants to see steep hills
> and big trees.  We can do that!
>
> Betty
>
Yay!  Steep hills and big trees.  We should be able to accomodate.  Where
is Terry based while here?

Sharon

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Have you minimized and returned to it?  LOL

Betty


At 03:16 PM 7/8/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Thanks, Betty!   I needed that :-)
>
>Rita L.
>
>Betty Clark wrote:
>
>>http://www.shockhaber.com/zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.htm
>
>
>--
>
>Rita Leonard
>Information Technology Systems Services
>O'Neill Library 544
>Phone:  617-552-3403
>Email: rita.leonard@bc.edu
>
>"Whether you believe you can do a thing
>or not, you are right."  Henry Ford

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At 03:12 PM 7/8/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Ohhhh, <That's> why they call you Bad Betty!
>
>clo

Are you busy on the WHTMAAF?

Betty

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Betty Clark wrote:

> At 03:12 PM 7/8/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >Ohhhh, <That's> why they call you Bad Betty!
> >
> >clo
>
> Are you busy on the WHTMAAF?
>
> Betty

Right, Mom. OK, OK, I'll do my homework!
I thought Lisa had gotten me off the hook. *sigh*
clo

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Actually, the first time I launched it, I didn't quite "get it" and sat
mesmerized for a minute while the phenomenon occurred.  Minimizing and
going back does enhance the effect though, doesn't it.  LAWY

Rita L.

Betty Clark wrote:

> Have you minimized and returned to it?  LOL
>
> Betty
>
>
> At 03:16 PM 7/8/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Betty!   I needed that :-)
>>
>> Rita L.
>>
>> Betty Clark wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.shockhaber.com/zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Rita Leonard
>> Information Technology Systems Services
>> O'Neill Library 544
>> Phone:  617-552-3403
>> Email: rita.leonard@bc.edu
>>
>> "Whether you believe you can do a thing
>> or not, you are right."  Henry Ford
>

--

Rita Leonard
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Phone:  617-552-3403
Email: rita.leonard@bc.edu

"Whether you believe you can do a thing
 or not, you are right."  Henry Ford

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I'm still waiting to see the size limit.  Or if my monitor will be
carried away.

dan

7/8/2003, 2:11 PM, Betty Clark wrote:

BC> Have you minimized and returned to it?  LOL

BC> Betty


BC> At 03:16 PM 7/8/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>>Thanks, Betty!   I needed that :-)
>>
>>Rita L.
>>
>>Betty Clark wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.shockhaber.com/zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.htm
>>
>>
>>--
>>
>>Rita Leonard
>>Information Technology Systems Services
>>O'Neill Library 544
>>Phone:  617-552-3403
>>Email: rita.leonard@bc.edu
>>
>>"Whether you believe you can do a thing
>>or not, you are right."  Henry Ford


dan

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> 7/8/2003, 10:02 AM, Betty Clark wrote:
>
> >>She posted congrats in response to the betrothal announcement.
>
> BC> Dan, when do you leave for your trip?  I forgot. Did you ever
> find out if
> BC> you could check that one bag to Chicago only?  Of course you
> could carry it
> BC> on the plane and have your daughter meet you and give it to her.  <g>
>
> The problem is it is a metal toolbox, and it wouldn't fit in overhead
> compartment.  Your basic hip-roof mechanics toolbox.  Anyway, don't
> have answer, but think I can, but will check with United or travel
> agent.
>
> We leave Thursday for RaleighDurham, then drive up to Afton VA for
> family reunion.  Return on Monday.  Fairly long trip for a long
> weekend, but ya gotta do what ya gotta do.
>
> BC> Your trip sounds great and I hope you'll give us a full report.
>
> The Europe trip has us gone from Aug 1--24.  Will report on that, and
> will have a ton of pix, I'm sure.
>
>
> dan

Dan, how are you doing with your surgery and so forth? Are you happy with
your progress? Any complications so far?

Sandra

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If you do decide to stop in for lunch, call (315) 443-2759.
 I'll be in the office.

clo

On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:

>   Well Natalie, i would feel snubbed if it were n't for the fact that
> I'll be in Ottawa when you zoom through Syracuse.
>
>
> BrP
>
> >>> maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU 07/07/03 05:17PM >>>
>
> I've been pondering heading down through Burlington tomorrow on the
> chance that I might bump into Howard.  But I really need to move
> rapidly, and that's not the best route.  I may well be zooming through
> Syracuse but with no stopping to try to track down Clo and BrP since,
> as I said, I've gotta <make tracks>.
>    --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
>

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On Fri, 4 Jul 2003, Bonniemaev wrote:
>
> Jordan Pond, I'll bet.  I wonder how that got turned into Liberty Pond??

It was written during the parade. All those flags turned my brain to mush.

>
> >Back to the internet highway, which is already in progress!
> >clo
>
> Perhaps she means the parade.  The Internet highway is always in progress
> or in decline, perhaps.

It's a mashed line from Firesign Theatre -

clo

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Acadiafest. What can I say that hasn't already been said?
I feel like Groucho Marx.
Ah, I can see it now. The moon, you - you wear a red hat
so I'll know which one is Betty.

We - BrP, K*R*N, ET, and I - drove from early morning
till late at night. It wasn't long before ET got so indignant
at riding in the trunk that we were forced to gag him. This
led to a discussion of wordsler decision-making, inspiring
me to buy (for reasons I can't fully articulate) a roll of
ducktape in a truckstop, which I later presented to Natalie.

We drove through upstate NY, and talked about geology.
We drove through Vt, and talked about recent travels.
This led to discussion of the phrase "virgin" to describe
unexplored experience, eg, "I am a sushi virgin". We drove
through NH and talked about KRN's loss of Hampshire-
virginity. This in spite of a working CD player!
Mt. Washington was lovely.

We drove through ME, reaching Bar Harbor in darkness, and
noted several amusements we thought would be appropriate.
Passing the nightly Lumberjack demonstration, we sang an
appropriate chorus or two of "I'm a Lumberjack & I'm OK".
Don't you wish you were with us?

Adam greeted us at the motel as we exited the car. Rashmi
had stayed in town with Betty, Larry, Natalie(?), Lisa, and
the Queen. We had skipped supper on the road, declaring
ourselves exhausted and adequately fed; but after a futile
attempt to settle in for the night, we quickly realized that food
was called for after all. Having no idea where to find wordslers,
we drove until we found a corner called "Carmen Verandah"
that seemed to still be serving food. Unknown to us, Betty,
Larry, Lisa & Tina (& Natalie?) were within, but somehow we
landed at the wrong corner of the building - a related upscale place
called Rapunnuni's or so, and so we missed them. But wait!
Larry's white hair shone in the darkness as he and Betty passed
us by, and somehow Karen discerned it in the midnight gloom.
Paul's comment on meeting Betty:
"You look taller offline".

Friday began with a trip to the Acadia for breakfast with Adam,
then back to the internet cafe', where I was able
to indulge in a quick trip to the back, where I sent birthday
greetings to my daughter in Europe (Germany at the moment,
as it turned out). And yes, Bonnie, it was an E-Oops. Sorry!
Met nearly everyone but Rita, Ana, and of course Lisa and
LaTina, who turned out to be <my> elusive mystery guests -
I went everyplace I was told they would be, but only actually
got to talk to them at DessertFest.

After the parade (enjoyed by all, but particularly the Wilds),
we thought <everyone> was going to Jordan Pond for lunch,
so followed - er, preceded, as it turned out - the crowd.
Karen and I enjoyed a really good salad, waited on by one
of the world's most obliging waiters - as Karen said, "a really
nice boy". Eventually, Natalie, Betty, and Larry found their
way in, but despite our new friend's best efforts, they were seated
on a verandah far away, so we joined them for dessert.

Meanwhile back at the ranch, Lisa and LaTina were having
adventures on water, while BrP patrolled the nearby beaches.

We stopped in at Bonnie and Clyde's briefly, but didn't want
to wear out our welcome by staying too long, and so continued
on our way to Geddy's, where we were joined by everybody
except B&C. It was a <very> crowded corner, but thanks to the
intelligence and efficiency of the waitresses, all went well.

Adam, Karen, and I ended up skipping the fireworks, and
spent quiet time back at the hotel.

Next morning, Karen and I went out for breakfast together -
have I mentioned that Paul is an unconscionably early riser,
and seems to go for a minimum of <two> hikes before I
wake up? - at the Two Cats. The food was excellent. They
need to fix their sidewalk, though.

Then back to the motel, where Karen met Paul for a trip
to the Native American exhibit across the street at the
College of the Atlantic, while I underwent a sustained phone
conversation with the stbex.

To Be Continued....

clo

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Yay!  Steep hills and big trees.  We should be able to accommodate.  Where
>is Terry based while here?
>
>Sharon

With us in Pinole.  We have empty bedrooms.  At least one can still
accommodate a body.


Betty

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At 04:06 PM 7/8/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:
>>Glad you enjoyed it.  I'm sitting here balancing Lillia's comment against
>>those sometimes heard here:  "We did the Park this morning, now what
>>should we do?"
>>
>>cwv
>
>They need to think outside the loop. :-)

Indeed.

cwv

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On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

> At 04:06 PM 7/8/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:
> >>Glad you enjoyed it.  I'm sitting here balancing Lillia's comment against
> >>those sometimes heard here:  "We did the Park this morning, now what
> >>should we do?"
> >>
> >>cwv
> >
> >They need to think outside the loop. :-)
>
> Indeed.
>
> cwv
>

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At 01:19 PM 07/08/2003 -0700, Sharon Ziperovich wrote:

>Yay!  Steep hills and big trees.  We should be able to accomodate.  Where
>is Terry based while here?

Here - at the Clark's place.

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On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>My faith in you is justified.  I knew you'd find a way
>to post, even if it's only from Knoxville.

I aim to please.

(Occasionally.)

Bethany

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Go to <A HREF="www.google.com">www.google.com</A>
Type "weapons of mass destruction" (without the quotes)
Click on the "I'm feeling lucky" button.
Read the error message.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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Terry, pretty people make pretty kids:
> They need to think outside the loop. :-)

So has clo taken over the standing as
fastest-newbie-to-WORDS-L-Event attendee?

Has she set the record?  Is anyone keeping
track of these things?


P.S. Kudos to all the piccie takers/posters.

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clo:
> It's a mashed line from Firesign Theatre -

Steady now, you'll be accused of posting
to your little clique of inside-referencers.

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At 05:52 PM 7/8/2003 -0500, boy wrote:
>So has clo taken over the standing as
>fastest-newbie-to-WORDS-L-Event attendee?

Who knows?

>Has she set the record?

Who cares?

>Is anyone keeping
>track of these things?

  You looking for a job?

cwv

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At 05:52 PM 7/8/2003 -0500, boy wrote:

>So has clo taken over the standing as
>fastest-newbie-to-WORDS-L-Event attendee?
>
>Has she set the record?  Is anyone keeping
>track of these things?

She had <protectors>.

Betty

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> No no no... don't be like that... damn it.  Look at pict0121 of Bonnie and
> Tina at Mache Bistro's.  It's a classic waiting to happen.  Look at the
> balance, look at the nuances... the two girls, a similar flower in each
> glass behind them standing on something in the window, both curtains
> billowing.  They are both consumed by their own particular brand of
> libation, and both are wondering, as you are right now... as I am too ;-)
> The reflections in the shiny wood of the bar tell of clouded memories over
> which the towers of alcohol stand.
>
> I dig it.
>
> 'Alan

I'm glad you do. I thought it wasn't a great picture, but I figured I'd post
it anyway in the spirit of completeness. It's more a picture of Natalie's
gin and tonic, I daresay.

--Adam

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Betty:
> She had <protectors>.

True.

Even so.

And jeez, Clyde, it was just
a QUESTION and I am SORRY.

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At 07:34 PM 7/8/2003 -0500, boy wrote:
>Betty:
> > She had <protectors>.
>
>True.
>
>Even so.

And she was a trooper, a helper, a good sport.  I still don't know if she
lit Rita's fire though.  Larry and I really wanted to stop by to check it
all out but our flight left really early in the morning.  Wish I would have
done it though.

Betty

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> And she was a trooper, a helper, a good sport.  I still don't know if she
> lit Rita's fire though.

She did. She also helped pitch a tent.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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Who asked about orthotics? Someone said to get custom-made. My orthopedic
guy asks me never to pay for custom-made - he says it's simply not
necessary. I did once. Next time I want to buy some, I will check this out:

>There is a company called "Super Feet" which makes a line of off the
shelf orthotic inserts for shoes for men and women and different shoe
types, they usually cost under $30. Check them out at the link I've pasted
here. http://www.allegromedical.com/home/ShopByManufacturer.asp?M=15726<

Bethany

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On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, boy wrote:
> So has clo taken over the standing as
> fastest-newbie-to-WORDS-L-Event attendee?
>
> Has she set the record?  Is anyone keeping
> track of these things?

If I knew there was a prize, I'da gone to Snowbash in my 2d week posting.
clo

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On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, boy wrote:

> clo:
> > It's a mashed line from Firesign Theatre -
>
> Steady now, you'll be accused of posting
> to your little clique of inside-referencers.
>

Thanks for the warning. It seems if there's a mouth that can gape,
I put my foot in it.

-newb-

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On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Betty wrote:

> At 07:34 PM 7/8/2003 -0500, boy wrote:
> >Betty:
> > > She had <protectors>.
> >
> >True.
> >
> >Even so.
>
> And she was a trooper, a helper, a good sport.  I still don't know if she
> lit Rita's fire though.  Larry and I really wanted to stop by to check it
> all out but our flight left really early in the morning.  Wish I would have
> done it though.
>

I will tell all in WHTMAF Part II. Stay Tuned!

clo

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At 09:20 PM 7/8/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > And she was a trooper, a helper, a good sport.  I still don't know if she
> > lit Rita's fire though.
>
>She did. She also helped pitch a tent.

What a woman! What she wearing her party attire?

Betty

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At 09:18 PM 7/8/2003 -0400, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, boy wrote:
> > So has clo taken over the standing as
> > fastest-newbie-to-WORDS-L-Event attendee?
> >
> > Has she set the record?  Is anyone keeping
> > track of these things?
>
>If I knew there was a prize, I'da gone to Snowbash in my 2d week posting.
>clo

That may have scared you away!

Betty

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At 09:19 PM 7/8/2003 -0400, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, boy wrote:
>
> > clo:
> > > It's a mashed line from Firesign Theatre -
> >
> > Steady now, you'll be accused of posting
> > to your little clique of inside-referencers.
> >
>
>Thanks for the warning. It seems if there's a mouth that can gape,
>I put my foot in it.
>
>-newb-

Not to worry. Just tell them it's words fucking-l.

Betty

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At 09:22 PM 7/8/2003 -0400, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Betty wrote:
>
> > At 07:34 PM 7/8/2003 -0500, boy wrote:
> > >Betty:
> > > > She had <protectors>.
> > >
> > >True.
> > >
> > >Even so.
> >
> > And she was a trooper, a helper, a good sport.  I still don't know if she
> > lit Rita's fire though.  Larry and I really wanted to stop by to check it
> > all out but our flight left really early in the morning.  Wish I would have
> > done it though.
> >
>
>I will tell all in WHTMAF Part II. Stay Tuned!
>
>clo

Cool.  It was Rashmi, not Natalie, running around with us in the night time
though.  Natalie turned in early. Rashmi is the partier.

Betty

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> Yay!  Steep hills and big trees.  We should be able to accomodate.  Where
> is Terry based while here?
>
> Sharon

The Clarks seem to be in charge of my life for a few days.  I'll look into
some other possibilities in a while, right now I have to work on the
midterm which is due Thursday and I haven't started yet!

Terry

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At 09:51 PM 7/8/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:
The Clarks seem to be in charge of my life for a few days.  I'll look into
>some other possibilities in a while, right now I have to work on the
>midterm which is due Thursday and I haven't started yet!
>
>Terry

Good luck!

Betty

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--- "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU>
wrote:
> Who asked about orthotics? Someone said to get
> custom-made. My orthopedic
> guy asks me never to pay for custom-made - he says
> it's simply not
 they usually cost under $30. Check them out
> at the link I've pasted
> here.
>
http://www.allegromedical.com/home/ShopByManufacturer.asp?M=15726<
>
> Bethany

I've got to hand it to you.  Given time on your hands
and a keyboard at your fingertips, you are mistress of
frugality without peer.


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At 07:03 PM 07/08/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:

>At 09:51 PM 7/8/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:
>The Clarks seem to be in charge of my life for a few days.  I'll look into
>>some other possibilities in a while, right now I have to work on the
>>midterm which is due Thursday and I haven't started yet!
>>
>>Terry
>
>Good luck!
>
>Betty

Betty,
You edited this poorly. It should read:

> Terry Wild wrote:
>The Clarks seem to be in charge of my life for a few days.

>Good luck!
>
>Betty

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At 07:34 PM 7/8/2003 -0500, boy wrote:
>And jeez, Clyde, it was just
>a QUESTION and I am SORRY.

Yes.  You are.

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On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>I've got to hand it to you.  Given time on your hands
>and a keyboard at your fingertips, you are mistress of
>frugality without peer.

And I thought it was just good health!

But my ortho person is pretty frugal. it took me two years to get him to
give me a prescription for custom orthotics when I wanted them. He
has fussed about the needless expense ever since.

Bethany

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At 12:44 AM 7/6/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
>See us at:    http://photos.yahoo.com/kamana
>
>Click on Markland, then click a couple of times
>on the picture.
>
>This was not taken at our home but a friends'
>home, where we were partying.  Here, the
>lite kernel is looking stern while creating horns
>on his poor old parents, unbeknownst to us.
>The lite kernel Jr. is seen in the far left background.
>Note the red, white and blue flowers.
>
>             - D. M.

Smack him!  Looking good, Doris.

Betty

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> And I thought it was just good health!
>
> But my ortho person is pretty frugal. it took me two
> years to get him to
> give me a prescription for custom orthotics when I
> wanted them. He
> has fussed about the needless expense ever since.
>
> Bethany

Latch on to that one.  He, too, is without peer.


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At 3:52 PM -0700 7/8/03, a human with many names but one nature wrote:
>So has clo taken over the standing as
>fastest-newbie-to-WORDS-L-Event attendee?
>
>Has she set the record?  Is anyone keeping
>track of these things?

Allan Denchfield, the original Mystery Guest, set a comparable record.  He
joined the list at approximately the same time as Sylvia and I did (early
1994 (exact dates not in my brain's data bank)) but he actually made it to
Goatroast.

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> Good luck!
>
> Betty


Thanks, I'm giving up for the night.

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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 23:34:11 -0400
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--On Tuesday, July 08, 2003 7:06 PM -0700 Lynne Weber
<lcweber2003@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> Bethany
>
> I've got to hand it to you.  Given time on your hands
> and a keyboard at your fingertips, you are mistress of
> frugality without peer.

Here you go - Bargain and Haggle a one-on-one realtime auction.
www.bargainandhaggle.com

Haven't been there myself.

Terry

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> Here you go - Bargain and Haggle a one-on-one
> realtime auction.
> www.bargainandhaggle.com
>
> Haven't been there myself.
>
> Terry

I think that we can be relatively certain that Bethany
has.  No, not the haggling part, sakes alive!


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--On Tuesday, July 08, 2003 7:03 PM -0700 Larry Clark <lgclark@comcast.net>
wrote:

> Betty,
> You edited this poorly. It should read:
>
>> Terry Wild wrote:
>> The Clarks seem to be in charge of my life for a few days.
>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Betty

Hehe nothing a yard or two of margaritas won't cure.

Terry

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boy <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>
>clo:
> > It's a mashed line from Firesign Theatre -
>
>Steady now, you'll be accused of posting
>to your little clique of inside-referencers.

Eeent! clo explained her reference upfront making
her the antithesis of the we're-so-cliquey posters.

-rashmi

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On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, boy wrote:
>So has clo taken over the standing as
>fastest-newbie-to-WORDS-L-Event attendee?
>
>Has she set the record?  Is anyone keeping
>track of these things?

I think there were newbies in the early days who
made it to fests and ftfs sooner than clo. Can't
think of any names now though. It was different
bcak in the day when we didn't see so many pictures
beforehand.

-rashmi

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>
>I am not an expert on a lot of things, but I am developing an
>arsenal, at
>least, for dealing with airlines. I got to the airport yesterday early,
>then cooled my heels until well past my flight time to Chicago (5:50
>p.m.). Finally, well after 7 p.m. (the United 1:00 flight to
>Chicago left
>at 7:30), we were given info. My flight was to leave after 8 p.m. - far
>too late for me to make any connections to Sydney.
>
>I inquired about being rebooked on another airline (I have been
>switched to Delta when going to Sydney in the past). The agent told me
>that I had a restricted ticket and I could not be rebooked on another
>airline. The earliest he could get me out on United was Wed.
>(tomorrow) at
>1 p.m. - arriving Sydney Fri a.m. The conf. ends at noon
>Saturday, so that
>did not make any sense. So I am in Knoxville, planning a pleasant week
>here.
>
>My agent has jut told me that my ticket was NOT restricted -
>that I should
>have been put on another airline. She is now dealing with Customer
>Relations re a refund and credit.
>
>So it goes ... sometimes.
>
>Bethany

So you didn't make it to Sydney?! This is funny (not haha) you
seem to have terrible luck with airlines and trips.

-rashmi

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10:04 08.07.2003 -0400 skrev Alan Wild:
>Here's the whole download from my camera...  Some are worthwhile.
>
>ftp://wordslur:FullM00n@ftp.mis.uri.edu/acadiafest

Thios doesn't work for me - I am asked to check if I am really allowed there, and then there is a time out.

Espen

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On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>> But my ortho person is pretty frugal. it took me two
>> years to get him to
>> give me a prescription for custom orthotics when I
>> wanted them. He
>> has fussed about the needless expense ever since.
>
>Latch on to that one.  He, too, is without peer.

Actually, it's probably all of them at the Ortho Clinic - at least two of
them have told me this, one very recently.

Bethany

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On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

>So you didn't make it to Sydney?! This is funny (not haha) you
>seem to have terrible luck with airlines and trips.

No, I did not go. It's probably less a matter of luck than priorities. If
I had been passionately insistent on getting to Sydney, I would, of
course, have planned to go several days early - because I know that
airline delays occur. As it was, I wanted to go to the conference, but was
not at all enthusiastic about going to Sydney again - been there, done
that, and it's a hell of a trip - so I booked with tight parameters.
(There's a good word.) I am using some of my time this week to update
an old online journal on Language in the Judicial Process (don't look now
- wait at least a week), so I am using my time in the interests of the
discipline ... and I will put my conference presentation slides on the web
this morning so they can be viewed at the conf. by anyone interested.

Bethany

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On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>> www.bargainandhaggle.com
>>
>
>I think that we can be relatively certain that Bethany
>has.  No, not the haggling part, sakes alive!

You give me far too much credit!

My travel agent negotiated (and she did have to negotiate) a full refund
minus the part of the ticket that was paid for with a ticket credit.
United now says you can use a credit only once, then you lose it. I
had already used part of the Finland ticket, so I did not come out too
badly. At one point, United was gong to deny any  refund. Fortunately, I
had used part of the Finland ticket for an earlier trip - so I did not
lose all of it. But be careful with international tickets - they make up
the rules as they go, I think.

I wonder how I would have been treated if I had held a business class
ticket?

I may start buying all my int'l tickets at the last minute. But of course
i can't do that if I have to teach or something - I'll probably teach in
Spain in May, so I will have to consider all this ....

Bethany

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This bounced. Wanted to add my good wishes:


Date  Fri, 04 Jul 2003 21:53:17 +0200

So will that be Amy Louise Burns Short Williams?  (The sentence keeps getting better and better).

I did always notice John coming to Amy´s defense on the whorish jumper issue.
Can´t wait to see the whorish gown :-)

Congratulations to you both. And to Master Carl as well.

¿Cuando es la boda?

Marie
   from Valencia (beautiful city)

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Betty wrote:

> At 09:19 PM 7/8/2003 -0400, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> >On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, boy wrote:
> >
> > > clo:
> > > > It's a mashed line from Firesign Theatre -
> > >
> > > Steady now, you'll be accused of posting
> > > to your little clique of inside-referencers.
> > >
> >
> >Thanks for the warning. It seems if there's a mouth that can gape,
> >I put my foot in it.
> >
> >-newb-
>
> Not to worry. Just tell them it's words fucking-l.
>
> Betty

Right, thanks. I forgot.
clo

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At 08:35 PM 7/8/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> > Here you go - Bargain and Haggle a one-on-one
> > realtime auction.
> > www.bargainandhaggle.com
> >
> > Haven't been there myself.
> >
> > Terry
>
>I think that we can be relatively certain that Bethany
>has.  No, not the haggling part, sakes alive!

I'm starting to like the Lynne woman.

lisa

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Betty:
> And she was a trooper, a helper, a good sport.

Ah, a sort of fest MVP.

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clo:
> If I knew there was a prize, I'da gone to Snowbash in my 2d week posting.

Sorry, there will be no prize.  cwv has spoken.

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>>a QUESTION and I am SORRY.
> Yes.  You are.

Another withering riposte!

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Bookrat:
> Allan Denchfield, the original Mystery Guest, set a comparable record.

I am glad that someone is keeping track of these things.

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rashmi:
> Eeent! clo explained her reference upfront making
> her the antithesis of the we're-so-cliquey posters.

Hmmm...

O.K., I <get> your objection now.

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7/8/2003, 4:09 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

BKD> I aim to please.

BKD> (Occasionally.)

Lucky she's not a guy.


dan

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Did Karen return to Texas?
Did she become clo's lover?
Did she get lost in the woods of Maine?


alec

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At 09:24 AM 7/9/2003 -0500, boy wrote:
>Betty:
> > And she was a trooper, a helper, a good sport.
>
>Ah, a sort of fest MVP.

Absolutely!  She saved many from fates unknown.

Betty

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From: "S Hess" <sandra@maximumsentence.com>
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If you like reading about people who come out of longterm comas....this
one's for you...

http://www.kark.com/karktv/news/story_tmp.asp?cmd=view&Storyid=7241

Sandra

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Rita Leonard wrote:

> Actually, the first time I launched it, I didn't quite "get it" and sat
> mesmerized for a minute while the phenomenon occurred.

Well, I thought it must be just the voice of it to have an energizing
effect to one bored at the desk. What to *do* with it I got to know when
moved the mouse to go back to the previous page.  8-D

>  Minimizing and
> going back does enhance the effect though, doesn't it.
> > Have you minimized and returned to it?  LOL
> >
> > Betty

Not yet. Going to try at once.

Hmm, I cannot get the spell from doing these things. Just the same. Must
try more.

Kristin

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Dan Lester wrote:

> I'm still waiting to see the size limit.  Or if my monitor will be
> carried away.
>
> dan
>
> 7/8/2003, 2:11 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
>
> BC> Have you minimized and returned to it?  LOL

LOL. Now, after reading Dan's message I understand what's the point of
minimizing it. I couldn't think at first I have to wait, too. Now I am
waiting.

Kristin

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Espen Ore" <Espen.Ore@NB.NO>
> 10:04 08.07.2003 -0400 skrev Alan Wild:
> >Here's the whole download from my camera...  Some are worthwhile.
> >
> >ftp://wordslur:FullM00n@ftp.mis.uri.edu/acadiafest
>
> Thios doesn't work for me - I am asked to check if I am really allowed
there, and then there is a time out.
>
> Espen

That particular server was getting hammered from European hackers (it hosted
a snowboard discussion web) so I blocked a number of subnets.  Please tell
me your IP address and I'll try to accommodate.

'Alan

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--- "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> wrote:
> Did Karen return to Texas?
> Did she become clo's lover?
> Did she get lost in the woods of Maine?
>
>
> alec

K*R*N was last seen wearing her balloon hat while
dancing the polenta at Geddy's.


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--- Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> wrote:
> 7/8/2003, 4:09 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>
> BKD> I aim to please.
>
> BKD> (Occasionally.)
>
> Lucky she's not a guy.
>
>
> dan

Because guys do not aim to please, even occasionally?


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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lynne Weber
>Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 11:33 AM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>--- Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> wrote:
>> 7/8/2003, 4:09 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>>
>> BKD> I aim to please.
>>
>> BKD> (Occasionally.)
>>
>> Lucky she's not a guy.
>>
>>
>> dan
>
>Because guys do not aim to please, even occasionally?
>
>
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I aim to please a good deal of the time. You know the wrong men.


alec

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--- Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> wrote:
> This bounced. Wanted to add my good wishes:
>
>
> Date  Fri, 04 Jul 2003 21:53:17 +0200
>
> So will that be Amy Louise Burns Short Williams?
> (The sentence keeps getting better and better).

In June 2004, she will become Amy Williams for Short.

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Hej Adam, where did that picture of me with my sunburn and the cigar go?

Can you point me to it?

Thx, Alan






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> > No no no... don't be like that... damn it.  Look at pict0121 of Bonnie
and
> > Tina at Mache Bistro's.  It's a classic waiting to happen.  Look at the
> > balance, look at the nuances... the two girls, a similar flower in each
> > glass behind them standing on something in the window, both curtains
> > billowing.  They are both consumed by their own particular brand of
> > libation, and both are wondering, as you are right now... as I am too
;-)
> > The reflections in the shiny wood of the bar tell of clouded memories
over
> > which the towers of alcohol stand.
> >
> > I dig it.
> >
> > 'Alan
>
> I'm glad you do. I thought it wasn't a great picture, but I figured I'd
post
> it anyway in the spirit of completeness. It's more a picture of Natalie's
> gin and tonic, I daresay.
>
> --Adam

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> >Because guys do not aim to please, even
> occasionally?
> >
> >
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>
> I aim to please a good deal of the time. You know
> the wrong men.
>
> Save for one notable exception, I fear you are
right.


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Betty wrote:

> Anyone else get one?

        Yep!  Right here.  It's a D.  I've already collected my Maine-D, so it'll get
spent.  Waiting for a Maine-P.

--
Take care,
Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>
Incidentally, I'm also looking for Mississippi-P and Alabama-D

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At 11:55 AM 7/9/2003 -0400, Alan Wild wrote:
>Hej Adam, where did that picture of me with my sunburn and the cigar go?

You'll find it here:

http://betty9901.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=32392

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At 11:55 AM 07/09/2003 -0400, Alan Wild wrote:

>Hej Adam, where did that picture of me with my sunburn and the cigar go?
>
>Can you point me to it?

It's one of Betty's photos. Check it out here:

http://betty9901.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=32392&offset=37

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At 10:46 AM 7/9/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>Did Karen return to Texas?

I think today but I can't remember for sure.

>Did she become clo's lover?

I don't know. Why do you care?

>Did she get lost in the woods of Maine?

No.

Are you all unpacked yet?

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At 10:46 AM 7/9/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Did Karen return to Texas?

dunno

>Did she become clo's lover?

what happens in bar harbor, stays in bar harbor

>Did she get lost in the woods of Maine?

see above.

>alec

lisa

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Betty Clark
>Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 12:10 PM
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>
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>At 10:46 AM 7/9/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>>Did Karen return to Texas?
>
>I think today but I can't remember for sure.
>
>>Did she become clo's lover?
>
>I don't know. Why do you care?
>
>>Did she get lost in the woods of Maine?
>
>No.
>
>Are you all unpacked yet?
>

Unpacking is slow process, so no.


alec

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7/9/2003, 9:33 AM, Lynne Weber wrote:

>> BKD> I aim to please.
>>
>> BKD> (Occasionally.)
>>
>> Lucky she's not a guy.
>>
>>
>> dan

LW> Because guys do not aim to please, even occasionally?

      Well, some of us do.  And it goes back to an old sign seen in
      restrooms, saying   "We aim to please.  You aim too, please."

dan

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7/8/2003, 3:07 PM, sandra wrote:
s> Dan, how are you doing with your surgery and so forth? Are you happy with
s> your progress? Any complications so far?

No complications at all. Now after ten weeks I've lost 63 pounds, from
323 to 260.  I eat three small meals a day, emphasis small, since that
is all I can hold.  Comes to maybe 1200--1500 calories a day, 75-90
grams of protein.  I'm not on a specific food plan or "diet", but do
keep track, at least for now, to make sure I'm not under 1000 calories
and to make sure getting enough protein.  No problem on eihter one,
and may quit tracking it fairly soon.

There are some things I can't eat, such as bread, as it gets stuck.
Not fun.  I'm doing lots of house and yard work, and going to gym for
treadmill and for weight lifting about three or four days a week.
Sometimes i do water aerobics instead.

I'm more than happy with progress.  I'm now losing at a sensible rate,
a couple pounds a week.  I lost a ton early due to liquid diet for a
couple weeks and the two weeks of pneumonia.  So things are
progressing.  Will see how I do at family reunion this weekend.  Those
things used to be always pigout opportunities, but sure won't be this
time. Same for the cruise that starts a month from today.

dan

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boy <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>:
>Betty:
> > And she was a trooper, a helper, a good sport.
>
>Ah, a sort of fest MVP.

Betty and Larry Clark are the eternal (?) fest MVPs.
There's a list rule that they have to attend every fest.

You should go to one of these things so you'll know
this stuff.

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> Did Karen return to Texas?
> Did she become clo's lover?
> Did she get lost in the woods of Maine?
>
> alec

Karen should be en route to Texas, arriving home shortly -
her flight left this morning. She rode back to Syracuse with
Paul and me, and I was privileged to spend a morning with her;
we will miss her presence here greatly.

I remain dignified and ignore your sadly lewd inference. After
you rejected my hooters, what makes you think they would
attract a class act like Karen?

clo

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boy <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>:

> > Eeent! clo explained her reference upfront making
> > her the antithesis of the we're-so-cliquey posters.

>Hmmm...
>
>O.K., I <get> your objection now.

Not objection, really, more like peanut gallery catcall.

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At 12:51 PM 7/9/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: English Language Discussion Group
> >[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Carolyn Ostrander
> >Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 12:47 PM
> >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >Subject: Re: Where is Karen?
> >
> >
> >"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
> >
> >> Did Karen return to Texas?
> >> Did she become clo's lover?
> >> Did she get lost in the woods of Maine?
> >>
> >> alec
> >
> >Karen should be en route to Texas, arriving home shortly -
> >her flight left this morning. She rode back to Syracuse with
> >Paul and me, and I was privileged to spend a morning with her;
> >we will miss her presence here greatly.
> >
> >I remain dignified and ignore your sadly lewd inference. After
> >you rejected my hooters, what makes you think they would
> >attract a class act like Karen?
> >
> >clo
> >
>
>Yay!
>
>Hooters rule!
>
>alec

Too late, Alec. There will be no sucking up to clo now, you already blew it.

lisa

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> At 12:51 PM 7/9/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: English Language Discussion Group
> > >[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Carolyn Ostrander
> > >Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 12:47 PM
> > >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> > >Subject: Re: Where is Karen?
> > >
> > >
> > >"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
> > >
> > >> Did Karen return to Texas?
> > >> Did she become clo's lover?
> > >> Did she get lost in the woods of Maine?
> > >>
> > >> alec
> > >
> > >Karen should be en route to Texas, arriving home shortly -
> > >her flight left this morning. She rode back to Syracuse with
> > >Paul and me, and I was privileged to spend a morning with her;
> > >we will miss her presence here greatly.
> > >
> > >I remain dignified and ignore your sadly lewd inference. After
> > >you rejected my hooters, what makes you think they would
> > >attract a class act like Karen?
> > >
> > >clo
> > >
> >
> >Yay!
> >
> >Hooters rule!
> >
> >alec
>
> Too late, Alec. There will be no sucking up to clo now, you already blew it.
>
> lisa

That's right. Plus after meeting that class act, Queen LaTina,
I am a changed woman, and no longer long for male approval.

clo

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Folks,

Check out http://www.gasbuddy.com/

alec

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Carolyn Ostrander
>Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 12:47 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>
>> Did Karen return to Texas?
>> Did she become clo's lover?
>> Did she get lost in the woods of Maine?
>>
>> alec
>
>Karen should be en route to Texas, arriving home shortly -
>her flight left this morning. She rode back to Syracuse with
>Paul and me, and I was privileged to spend a morning with her;
>we will miss her presence here greatly.
>
>I remain dignified and ignore your sadly lewd inference. After
>you rejected my hooters, what makes you think they would
>attract a class act like Karen?
>
>clo
>

Yay!

Hooters rule!

alec

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Betty Clark wrote:

> At 09:24 AM 7/9/2003 -0500, boy wrote:
> >Betty:
> > > And she was a trooper, a helper, a good sport.
> >
> >Ah, a sort of fest MVP.
>
> Absolutely!  She saved many from fates unknown.
>
> Betty

But am too modest to remember, let alone mention, them in
my whtmaf.
clo

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> --- "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> wrote:
> > Did Karen return to Texas?
> > Did she become clo's lover?
> > Did she get lost in the woods of Maine?
> >
> >
> > alec
>
> K*R*N was last seen wearing her balloon hat while
> dancing the polenta at Geddy's.

I believe it was the Mazurka.
clo

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rashmi:
> Betty and Larry Clark are the eternal (?) fest MVPs.

Perennial?  Recurrent?

> You should go to one of these things so you'll know
> this stuff.

I have a lot of freakzoid phobias.

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At 01:03 PM 7/9/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>Folks,
>
>Check out http://www.gasbuddy.com/

That's even better than "Where's George."

cwv

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Thanks y'all !!!


----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Clark" <lgclark@COMCAST.NET>
> >Hej Adam, where did that picture of me with my sunburn and the cigar go?
> >
> >Can you point me to it?
>
> It's one of Betty's photos. Check it out here:
>
> http://betty9901.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=32392&offset=37

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boy <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>
> > Betty and Larry Clark are the eternal (?) fest MVPs.

>Perennial?  Recurrent?

Perennial - that's what I was going for. Larry and Betty
are fest MVPs for life.

> > You should go to one of these things so you'll know
> > this stuff.

>I have a lot of freakzoid phobias.

No worries there - wordslurs love freaks.

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At 06:15 PM 7/9/2003 +0000, you wrote:

>>I have a lot of freakzoid phobias.
>
>No worries there - wordslurs love freaks.

Wordslurs are freaks!

lisa

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On Tuesday, Jul 8, 2003, at 18:16 Europe/London, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>>> Bethany:
>>>> then cooled my heels until well past my flight time to
>> Chicago (5:50
>>>> p.m.). Finally, well after 7 p.m. (the United 1:00 flight to
>>> Chicago left
>>>
>>> I can assure you that O'Hare was a mess yesterday
>>> afternoon/evening/night.  I was weeping inconsolable
>>> tears until speaking with folks who had started to
>>> measure their delay in terms of days.
>>
>> FWIW, Frankfurt was also a mess yesterday. Our planned 4.5
>> hour layover turned to nine hours. Total travel time for me
>> from hotel to driveway was 27 hours. Ug. (That includes a 20
>> minute nap at a rest area on the Garden State Parkway at 10:40 PM).
>>
>> Marie
>>
>
> Welcome back, Marie. Frankfurt can be crazy. I like Amsterdam's airport
> better.
>
Frankfurt is OK, Heathrow is a mess.

Anybody want to comment about CDG ? Before I get there tomorrow.
>
> alec
>
Roy

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>>
>Frankfurt is OK, Heathrow is a mess.
>
>Anybody want to comment about CDG ? Before I get there tomorrow.
>>
>> alec
>>
>Roy
>

I always enjoyed CDG. Quick and well marked signs. Bon Voyage.


alec

Check out http://www.adp.fr

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----- Original Message -----
From: "lisa alfieri" <alfieri@COMCAST.NET>
> At 06:15 PM 7/9/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>
> >>I have a lot of freakzoid phobias.
> >
> >No worries there - wordslurs love freaks.
>
> Wordslurs are freaks!
>
> lisa

'What she said.

ET is an honorary Wordslur, abducted to, and inducted at, Acadiafest, more
or less against his will.  He was *sent* to Wordslurs just prior to his
previous care-giver having to leave the planet, as I understand it.

'A

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At 06:15 PM 7/9/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>boy <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>
>> > Betty and Larry Clark are the eternal (?) fest MVPs.
>
>>Perennial?  Recurrent?
>
>Perennial - that's what I was going for. Larry and Betty
>are fest MVPs for life.

Oh, no , this would be too much stress to live up to year after year.

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> > K*R*N was last seen wearing her balloon hat while
> > dancing the polenta at Geddy's.
>
> I believe it was the Mazurka.
> clo

Since you were there, you must be right.  I had it in
my mind that the Mazurka was a Greek dessert.


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Betty Clark" <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU>
> At 06:15 PM 7/9/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> >boy <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>
> >> > Betty and Larry Clark are the eternal (?) fest MVPs.
> >
> >>Perennial?  Recurrent?
> >
> >Perennial - that's what I was going for. Larry and Betty
> >are fest MVPs for life.
>
> Oh, no , this would be too much stress to live up to year after year.

Terry's a doll though  ;-)

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Sorta catchin' up.  We tried to go to the beach (Brant Rock) today, but it
started raining.

Congrats to the promised couple.  May you enjoy a long, happy marriage.

Larry, although Clo did not light my fire, she did kindle it til it roared.
Clo is a quiet and thoughtful person.  I won't pick on her anymore.  I can
behave myself when I try hard enough.

Ana and Will Wild did indeed hit it off.  I'm glad the kids all had fun
playing with each other.  Lillia (I know I'm probably spelling that wrong)
was the only civilized child there -- she's gorgeous, too.  What beautiful
eyes on those Wild kids.  I may have to beat 'Alan up for teaching my kid
new ways to misbehave.  Ana says thank you to Will's dad for teaching her
how to throw a frisbee.

Paul is as sweet in person as on the list.  Clyde is nicer in person.  He
has a warm personality that doesn't come through in e-mail.  Betty is wicked
and gave my kid so many tequila-soaked lizards, she fell off the chair at
Geddy's.  Bonnie's three-course dessert was outstanding.  I thank her for
the opportunity to "scold rich."

I haven't been to a 'fest since Clambake, and I had a nice time.  It was a
pleasure seeing everyone again -- maybe it won't be 10 years until the next
time.
-- Rita C.

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11,132 pieces of e-mail.

More later, after I catch up.

Karen

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On Thursday, June 26, 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> Burl's an outdoor cat; she spends most of her time outside anyway. I'm
> not worried about her surviving. But I think she'll be glad to see me
> when I come home.

And she was; she wasn't even mad. I'm happy.

And speaking of freaky, it was a bit freaky at first that ET #1s cat
looks just like my cat.

I'm convinced they phone each other when we're not home, because my
cat has gotten a LOT talkier recently, like P's cat.

Karen

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> > > K*R*N was last seen wearing her balloon hat while
> > > dancing the polenta at Geddy's.
> >
> > I believe it was the Mazurka.
> > clo

Perhaps the Berserka.

        - D. M.

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> > > K*R*N was last seen wearing her balloon hat while
> > > dancing the polenta at Geddy's.
> >
> > I believe it was the Mazurka.
> > clo
>
> Since you were there, you must be right.  I had it in
> my mind that the Mazurka was a Greek dessert.

And I could have sworn that Polenta is made with corn meal!
clo

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I just returned from McGee-Tyson airport - United still has not returned
to me the luggage that was sent on to Chicago without me on Monday. I am
running out of clothes!

I will probably never again check a piece of luggage.

Bethany

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Doris Markland wrote:

> > > > K*R*N was last seen wearing her balloon hat while
> > > > dancing the polenta at Geddy's.
> > >
> > > I believe it was the Mazurka.
> > > clo
>
> Perhaps the Berserka.
>
>         - D. M.

I think that would be me. I have rarely met a saner person than
KK.

clo

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bethany K. Dumas
>Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 3:05 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>I just returned from McGee-Tyson airport - United still has
>not returned to me the luggage that was sent on to Chicago without me on
>Monday. I am running out of clothes!
>
>I will probably never again check a piece of luggage.
>
>Bethany
>

Ouch! Not a surprise that United lost a bag. A baggage handler has some
clothes. This whole trip that did not happen gets funnier by the minute.
Better get a good price for the cost of your luggage.





alec

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Betty:

> >Perennial - that's what I was going for. Larry and Betty
> >are fest MVPs for life.

>Oh, no , this would be too much stress to live up to year after year.

Relax. You already have the title! No pressure. Seriously I can't
imagine a fest without you and Larry.

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On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>Ouch! Not a surprise that United lost a bag. A baggage handler has some
>clothes. This whole trip that did not happen gets funnier by the minute.
>Better get a good price for the cost of your luggage.

Are you suggesting that United baggage handlers are better dressed than,
say, Delta baggage handlers?

If they lost my suitcase, I am going to Atlanta his weekend to shop.

Bethany

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On Saturday, June 28, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-06-28 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
>> That's exactly the point. We are mice with mouses. And
>> no, I don't believe even my crusty old mother is up to
>> meeting Karen.  You can meet her, right, she does
>> really exist other than on these sainted pages?

> K-R-N? Yeah, I faintly remember meeting her some place.

Billy Goat Tavern. I thought of this place (and you, my darling) when
I was ordering a cheeseburger in the Dell Cafeteria the last time I
was in Texas.

Karen

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bethany K. Dumas
>Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 3:27 PM
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>
>
>On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>
>>Ouch! Not a surprise that United lost a bag. A baggage
>handler has some clothes. This whole trip that did not happen gets funnier
by
>the minute.Better get a good price for the cost of your luggage.
>
>Are you suggesting that United baggage handlers are better
>dressed than, say, Delta baggage handlers?
>
>If they lost my suitcase, I am going to Atlanta his weekend to shop.
>
>Bethany
>

Nah, Air France are the best dressed baggage handlers I have seen. US
Airways are not bad either.


alec

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On Monday, June 30, 2003, S Hess wrote:
> I leave in 15 min. for an evening class. Three and a half hours in Basic
> Rifle Instruction. My first crush was on The Rifleman...maybe that's why I
> find rifles so sexy. Who knows. After learning more about them tonight, I
> may not feel the same way...but I'll at least be able to cross off one more
> thing off my list of stuff I wanna do before my life is over. Shooting a gun
> is high on the list.

Shooting a handgun and a rifle are very different. I'm surprised,
crush or no, that a) you'd choose to start with a rifle and b) that
they'd let you. But that may be because I'm relatively timid about
trying one.

Karen

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On Tuesday, July 01, 2003, sandra wrote:
> semiautomatic), we turn turns on the range. Mostly shooting from the most
> stable position (prone). I don't like that position and it doesn't strike me
> as much of a "defend your home" kind of pose.

Does a rifle with a scope really strike you as a 'defend your home'
kind of tool?

> I'd need to get eye &
> ear protection.

Tell me you didn't shoot without protection.

Karen

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So far, and I have to go out. You may say what you want, it will
probably take me through the weekend to catch up. Only 3248 spam so
far.

Karen

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> Perhaps the Berserka.
>
>         - D. M.

That's it!  I get so confused about classical dance.


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> Ouch! Not a surprise that United lost a bag. A
> baggage handler has some
> clothes. This whole trip that did not happen gets
> funnier by the minute.
> Better get a good price for the cost of your
> luggage.
>
>
>
>
>
> alec

By all means, negotiate.

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On Wednesday, July 09, 2003 at 14:26, Lynne Weber wrote:

> > Perhaps the Berserka.
> >
> >         - D. M.
>
> That's it!  I get so confused about classical dance.

In the new Harry Potter a spell of "Tarantallegra!" is cast. You can
imagine the result.

Tony H.

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On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>By all means, negotiate.

Well, now that I have <permission> ...

Bethany

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My computer had downloaded half my mail, and then there was some
glitch that prevented it from finishing...

So now it's starting to re-download what is now 11,455 messages...


Karen

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On Wednesday, July 09, 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> Did Karen return to Texas?

Yes, today at noon.

> Did she become clo's lover?

Er, no. We did become co-conspirators, though.

> Did she get lost in the woods of Maine?

No. Thanks for asking!

Karen

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> I'm more than happy with progress.  I'm now losing at a sensible rate,
> a couple pounds a week.  I lost a ton early due to liquid diet for a
> couple weeks and the two weeks of pneumonia.  So things are
> progressing.  Will see how I do at family reunion this weekend.  Those
> things used to be always pigout opportunities, but sure won't be this
> time. Same for the cruise that starts a month from today.
>
> dan

It sounds like you're doing really, really well! And what a way to
celebrate: a CRUISE!!! Fun. That's on my list of things to do one day. I'm
glad for you.

:)

Sandra

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> Folks,
>
> Check out http://www.gasbuddy.com/
>
> alec

Between this and Betty's Flyswatter page....I've been very entertained.

Sandra

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In a message dated 7/9/2003 6:24:35 PM Central Daylight Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
<<
So now it's starting to re-download what is now 11,455 messages...

>>

That's one reason I stopped using Sprynet; at least, with AOL, if it has
to stop downloading, when it restarts it doesn't restart at the beginning.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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> On Monday, June 30, 2003, S Hess wrote:
> > I leave in 15 min. for an evening class. Three and a half hours in Basic
> > Rifle Instruction. My first crush was on The Rifleman...maybe
> that's why I
> > find rifles so sexy. Who knows. After learning more about them
> tonight, I
> > may not feel the same way...but I'll at least be able to cross
> off one more
> > thing off my list of stuff I wanna do before my life is over.
> Shooting a gun
> > is high on the list.
>
> Shooting a handgun and a rifle are very different. I'm surprised,
> crush or no, that a) you'd choose to start with a rifle and b) that
> they'd let you. But that may be because I'm relatively timid about
> trying one.
>
> Karen

It was a blast ;)

I think my very first crush was on The Rifleman. I suspect that colored my
decision. I also get off on clarinets, so to speak. It must be a phallic
thing. I'm not proud of that, but I'm just guessing.

I just bought an amazing lamp...very art decco....made from a clarinet. It's
on my nightstand and looking elegant, indeed.

Sandra

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> > I'd need to get eye &
> > ear protection.
>
> Tell me you didn't shoot without protection.
>
> Karen

I would need them if I were to purchase my own rifle. I didn't communicate
my thought well. Not the last nor the first time for that.

Sandra

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On Thursday, July 03, 2003, steph wrote:
= >>
= >>Getting on bed time here.
= >>
> =
> = Good night dear steph, pleasant dreams.
> =
> =
> = hugs,
> =
> = alec

> Oh alec, you're a sweetie.  Nighty-night.

YOU GUYS ARE TOOOOOOO CUTESY~! Get a room!!

Karen

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On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> Did she become clo's lover?
>
>Er, no. We did become co-conspirators, though.

Unindicted thus far?

Bethany

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On Monday, July 07, 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
> A stunned Karen handled a blunt Tina well.

Thank you. What happened in Bar Harbor stays in Bar Harbor.:)

I enjoyed meeting all the Tinas I met (Paul's daughter and your one).
I think that you and Tina are good for each other.

And I loved watching you talk on and on about food. Wordslers who
think I'm a foodie haven't heard you talk about food.

The mussels in white wine sauce at that restaurant were wonderful--and
the woman who helped us move tables etc. was VERY cute.

> Adam was shot down when he asked for an honorary uterus. He had to settle
> for a salad instead.

*That* was funny. How presumptuous of him!

> Rashmi was lured into drinking by sipping from my glass of pomegranate martini.

To die for. I could have had like, 3, but no one would have wanted me
in their car the next day.

> I'd heard a lot of people teasing B&C about wanting go back next year. I
> think there was some truth to their "jokes". BH is a great place, B&C did a
> wonderful job. We each enjoyed what we made of our vacations. This
> combination of positive experiences makes it tempting to want to repeat.

And their back yard is definitely big enough to camp in.

Karen

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On Monday, July 07, 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> (avoids alt.cuddle morphing)

Mention of alt.cuddle brings up The Funniest Moment, when a sleepy
Paul was hugging Adam goodbye...

Karen

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7/9/2003, 4:57 PM, sandra wrote:
s> It sounds like you're doing really, really well! And what a way to
s> celebrate: a CRUISE!!! Fun. That's on my list of things to do one day. I'm
s> glad for you.

I'm pretty happy.  After the week in Berlin for the conference I'm
speaking at, then we fly to Barcelona, for 12 days on Golden Princess
to Monaco, Pisa, Naples, Athens, Ephesus, Istanbul (not
Constantinople, now), and Venice. Then two more nights in Venice, then
home.  Leave the first, back the 23rd.  United to Chicago, then all
Lufthansa, except Air Berlin from Berlin to Barcelona, with a stop in
Majorca.

dan

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On Wednesday, July 09, 2003, sandra wrote:
>> > I'd need to get eye &
>> > ear protection.
>>
>> Tell me you didn't shoot without protection.
>>
>> Karen

> I would need them if I were to purchase my own rifle. I didn't communicate
> my thought well. Not the last nor the first time for that.

You need them whether you have your own rifle or not.

Karen

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> On Wednesday, July 09, 2003, sandra wrote:
> >> > I'd need to get eye &
> >> > ear protection.
> >>
> >> Tell me you didn't shoot without protection.
> >>
> >> Karen
>
> > I would need them if I were to purchase my own rifle. I didn't
> communicate
> > my thought well. Not the last nor the first time for that.
>
> You need them whether you have your own rifle or not.
>
> Karen

Well, yes. The instructor provided everything: rifles, bullets, eye & ear
protection...etc.

Sandra

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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 20:02:29 -0500
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On Wednesday, July 09, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>> Did she become clo's lover?
>>
>>Er, no. We did become co-conspirators, though.

> Unindicted thus far?

What happened in Bar Harbor, stays in Bar Harbor.

Karen

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The sky was "sky-blue-pink" tonight, only for about
three minutes, but it really was.  That was a color we
used to bandy about as kids, and I haven't thought of
it in years.  This sky was a perfect example of that
color.  Did y'all ever have the color sky-blue-pink"?

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I'm really glad she attended, too.  I think retirement is beginning to sink
in for her. She seemed really relaxed and enjoyed herself.  Just happy to
be there.

Betty

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On Wednesday, July 09, 2003, boy wrote:
> I have a lot of freakzoid phobias.

Is New Orleans out of freeky, too?

Karen

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On Wednesday, July 09, 2003, sandra wrote:
>> On Wednesday, July 09, 2003, sandra wrote:
>> >> > I'd need to get eye &
>> >> > ear protection.
>> >>
>> >> Tell me you didn't shoot without protection.
>> >>
>> >> Karen
>>
>> > I would need them if I were to purchase my own rifle. I didn't
>> communicate
>> > my thought well. Not the last nor the first time for that.
>>
>> You need them whether you have your own rifle or not.
>>
>> Karen

> Well, yes. The instructor provided everything: rifles, bullets, eye & ear
> protection...etc.

So do ranges.

Karen

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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 20:54:51 -0500
From: Karen Kay <Karen@WordWrite.com>
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On Wednesday, July 09, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Karen should be en route to Texas, arriving home shortly -
> her flight left this morning.

Yes! My flight got in at 11:30 or so, got my bag by noon, was eating
BBQ at Rudy's by 1. YUM!

>  She rode back to Syracuse with
> Paul and me, and I was privileged to spend a morning with her;
> we will miss her presence here greatly.

Likewise.:)

> I remain dignified and ignore your sadly lewd inference. After
> you rejected my hooters, what makes you think they would
> attract a class act like Karen?

What happened in Bar Harbor, stays in Bar Harbor...:)

Karen

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> In the new Harry Potter a spell of "Tarantallegra!"
> is cast. You can
> imagine the result.
>
> Tony H.

What a splendid word.  She loves to play with words.


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Red in the morning: sailor take warning; red sky at night: sailor's delight.


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> The sky was "sky-blue-pink" tonight, only for about
> three minutes, but it really was.  That was a color we
> used to bandy about as kids, and I haven't thought of
> it in years.  This sky was a perfect example of that
> color.  Did y'all ever have the color sky-blue-pink"?
>
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On Tuesday, July 08, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Adam greeted us at the motel as we exited the car.

Coincidence. My laughing did not draw him out.

Adam was, as they say, Conveniently Located only two rooms away.

> Having no idea where to find wordslers,
> we drove until we found a corner called "Carmen Verandah"
> that seemed to still be serving food. Unknown to us, Betty,
> Larry, Lisa & Tina (& Natalie?) were within, but somehow we
> landed at the wrong corner of the building - a related upscale place
> called Rapunnuni's or so, and so we missed them.

Rupununi.

I knew Wordslers were in there somewhere. I don't know how, I just
knew that of all the places, that was where they would be, so I was
nonplussed not to find them. But too hungry to care.

> But wait!
> Larry's white hair shone in the darkness as he and Betty passed
> us by, and somehow Karen discerned it in the midnight gloom.

I think Paul did, because something made me look up.

I have a carrying voice. And then I leapt the fence and chairs or
something like that to get a hug from Betty, and then Larry.

> Karen and I enjoyed a really good salad, waited on by one
> of the world's most obliging waiters - as Karen said, "a really
> nice boy".

Zach. He would do anything for me. I think I had him hypnotized. He
was from Seal Beach.

> Next morning, Karen and I went out for breakfast together -
> have I mentioned that Paul is an unconscionably early riser,
> and seems to go for a minimum of <two> hikes before I
> wake up? - at the Two Cats. The food was excellent. They
> need to fix their sidewalk, though.

> Then back to the motel, where Karen met Paul for a trip
> to the Native American exhibit across the street at the
> College of the Atlantic

This was way cool. The music was great, too. Paul and I listened to
that for a long time--you could hear it at the motel, too. We left the
exhibition area before the dancing started, though, so I did not dance
with My Polenta.

Karen

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--- Alan Wild <awild@URI.EDU> wrote:
> Red in the morning: sailor take warning; red sky at
> night: sailor's delight.


I used to sail on Barnegat Bay, my dad had a consuming
passion for sailing.  As far as I know, sky-blue-pink
holds neither threats nor promises.

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On Wednesday, July 09, 2003, Alan Wild wrote:
> Red in the morning: sailor take warning; red sky at night: sailor's delight.
     ^sky
Ha! There was a huge red sunset one night in Syracuse. We saw the rose
garden, the water garden, the herb garden, and walked around, and then
this very red sun set. It was interesting because it changed color as
it progressed.

And I said more or less what you said.

Karen

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At 12:04 PM -0700 7/9/03, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> > K*R*N was last seen wearing her balloon hat while
>> > dancing the polenta at Geddy's.
>>
>> I believe it was the Mazurka.
>> clo
>
>Since you were there, you must be right.  I had it in
>my mind that the Mazurka was a Greek dessert.

No, no, Mazurka was a Russian composer -- you know, the guy who wrote
_Pickles at an Eggs Benediction_.

Ken Miller
Anacreontic Academy of Zymomusicology

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11:24 09.07.2003 -0400 skrev Alan Wild:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Espen Ore" <Espen.Ore@NB.NO>
>> 10:04 08.07.2003 -0400 skrev Alan Wild:
>> >Here's the whole download from my camera...  Some are worthwhile.
>> >
>> >ftp://wordslur:FullM00n@ftp.mis.uri.edu/acadiafest
>>
>> Thios doesn't work for me - I am asked to check if I am really allowed
>there, and then there is a time out.
>>
>> Espen
>
>That particular server was getting hammered from European hackers (it hosted
>a snowboard discussion web) so I blocked a number of subnets.  Please tell
>me your IP address and I'll try to accommodate.

If you blocked the internal subnet at the National Library of Norway, that's interesting.

Espen

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thank you for your hints, we've found (+ tried) a very good pizzeria not
too far from where they'll be staying, so I hope by the time they'll reach
here, they won't already be fed up with such kind of stuff.
Love
Lucia

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19:11 09.07.2003 -0600 skrev Dan Lester:
>7/9/2003, 4:57 PM, sandra wrote:
>s> It sounds like you're doing really, really well! And what a way to
>s> celebrate: a CRUISE!!! Fun. That's on my list of things to do one day. I'm
>s> glad for you.
>
>I'm pretty happy.  After the week in Berlin for the conference I'm
>speaking at, then we fly to Barcelona, for 12 days on Golden Princess
>to Monaco, Pisa, Naples, Athens, Ephesus, Istanbul (not
>Constantinople, now), and Venice. Then two more nights in Venice, then
>home.  Leave the first, back the 23rd.  United to Chicago, then all
>Lufthansa, except Air Berlin from Berlin to Barcelona, with a stop in
>Majorca.

This sounds like Mark Twain's Innocents abroad would be just the right book - a very similar set of places.

Espen

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7/10/2003, 3:14 AM, Espen Ore wrote:

EO> This sounds like Mark Twain's Innocents abroad would be just the right book - a very
EO> similar set of places.

Well, we'll be the innocents abroad, being the only meebers, and a
couple of the few in the world, who've not yet been to Europe.

dan

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Espen Ore" <Espen.Ore@NB.NO>
> If you blocked the internal subnet at the National Library of Norway,
that's interesting.
>
> Espen

Are you on any of the following segments:

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As per advice from friends, certain pic(s) have been removed from my
collection.  'Apologies for my insensitivities.  'Alan

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In a message dated 7/10/2003 7:04:59 AM Central Daylight Time, awild@URI.EDU
writes:
<<
As per advice from friends, certain pic(s) have been removed from my
collection.  'Apologies for my insensitivities.  'Alan
>>

Now I'm curious; what pictures?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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08:02 10.07.2003 -0400 skrev Alan Wild:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Espen Ore" <Espen.Ore@NB.NO>
>> If you blocked the internal subnet at the National Library of Norway,
>that's interesting.
>>
>> Espen
>
>Are you on any of the following segments:
>
>10.x.y.z
>141.x.y.z
>142.x.y.z
>172...
>193...
>194...
>195...
>204...
>212...
>213...
>217...
>24...
>61...
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>
>?

No.

Espen

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Ev...  pahleeeeease!  It was a shot of the smoking area.  No one wants their
nasty habit broadcast.

Suffice to say, I am chagrin.

'nomail



----- Original Message -----
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> In a message dated 7/10/2003 7:04:59 AM Central Daylight Time,
awild@URI.EDU
> writes:
> <<
> As per advice from friends, certain pic(s) have been removed from my
> collection.  'Apologies for my insensitivities.  'Alan
> >>
>
> Now I'm curious; what pictures?
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> My reality check bounced.

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Espen Ore wrote:

> 11:24 09.07.2003 -0400 skrev Alan Wild:
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Espen Ore" <Espen.Ore@NB.NO>
> >> 10:04 08.07.2003 -0400 skrev Alan Wild:
> >> >Here's the whole download from my camera...  Some are worthwhile.
> >> >
> >> >ftp://wordslur:FullM00n@ftp.mis.uri.edu/acadiafest
> >>
> >> Thios doesn't work for me - I am asked to check if I am really allowed
> >there, and then there is a time out.
> >>
> >> Espen
> >
> >That particular server was getting hammered from European hackers (it hosted
> >a snowboard discussion web) so I blocked a number of subnets.  Please tell
> >me your IP address and I'll try to accommodate.
>
> If you blocked the internal subnet at the National Library of Norway, that's interesting.
>
> Espen

I can't load it either, but I can well believe that you would have
naughty SU blocked.
clo

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rita Rouvalis" <rrouvalis@hotmail.com>
> Lillia (I know I'm probably spelling that wrong) ...

'You got it.


> I may have to beat 'Alan up for teaching my kid
> new ways to misbehave.

Whaaa ?!   8-|


> Ana says thank you to Will's dad for teaching her
> how to throw a frisbee.

Thanks, Ana!  You just made my day  ;-)

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Espen Ore wrote:

> 19:11 09.07.2003 -0600 skrev Dan Lester:
> >7/9/2003, 4:57 PM, sandra wrote:
> >s> It sounds like you're doing really, really well! And what a way to
> >s> celebrate: a CRUISE!!! Fun. That's on my list of things to do one day. I'm
> >s> glad for you.
> >
> >I'm pretty happy.  After the week in Berlin for the conference I'm
> >speaking at, then we fly to Barcelona, for 12 days on Golden Princess
> >to Monaco, Pisa, Naples, Athens, Ephesus, Istanbul (not
> >Constantinople, now), and Venice. Then two more nights in Venice, then
> >home.  Leave the first, back the 23rd.  United to Chicago, then all
> >Lufthansa, except Air Berlin from Berlin to Barcelona, with a stop in
> >Majorca.
>
> This sounds like Mark Twain's Innocents abroad would be just the right book - a very similar set of places.
>
> Espen

Yes, or Tom Sawyer Abroad, which was one of my Dad's
Bedtime Reading choices for us as children. (just before he
read Screwtape Letters, I seem to recall).

clo

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At 07:47 PM 7/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>On Monday, July 07, 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
> > A stunned Karen handled a blunt Tina well.
>
>Thank you. What happened in Bar Harbor stays in Bar Harbor.:)
>
>I enjoyed meeting all the Tinas I met (Paul's daughter and your one).
>I think that you and Tina are good for each other.

Thank you. I think we're good for each other too!


>And I loved watching you talk on and on about food. Wordslers who think
>I'm a foodie haven't heard you talk about food.

Funny, I don't even remember talking about food. I'm not denying it, I just
don't remember it.

>The mussels in white wine sauce at that restaurant were wonderful--and
>the woman who helped us move tables etc. was VERY cute.

Yes, she was cute.

Even cuter was me making mussels and white wine sauce for Tina last night.


> > Adam was shot down when he asked for an honorary uterus. He had to settle
> > for a salad instead.
>
>*That* was funny. How presumptuous of him!

I mean really!


> > Rashmi was lured into drinking by sipping from my glass of pomegranate
> martini.
>
>To die for. I could have had like, 3, but no one would have wanted me
>in their car the next day.

They were good, weren't they?!


> > I'd heard a lot of people teasing B&C about wanting go back next year. I
> > think there was some truth to their "jokes". BH is a great place, B&C did a
> > wonderful job. We each enjoyed what we made of our vacations. This
> > combination of positive experiences makes it tempting to want to repeat.
>
>And their back yard is definitely big enough to camp in.
>
>Karen

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At 09:35 PM 7/9/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:

>Zach. He would do anything for me. I think I had him hypnotized. He
>was from Seal Beach.

Seal Harbor, perhaps?

cwv

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>YES! I TO THINK THAT LISA AND I MAKE A GREAT COUPLE..I HAD A
>GREAT TIME IN
>BAR HARBOR SINCE WE ALL KNOW EACH OTHER A LITTLE MORE MAYBE NEXT TIME WE CAN
>HAVE A FRIENDLY GAME OF TRUTH OR DARE HEHEHE...............P.S  SEE THE ALL
>CAPS IS NOT A MYTH.  TAKE CARE  LA TINA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: lisa alfieri [mailto:alfieri@comcast.net]
>Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 9:02 AM
>To: English Language Discussion Group
>Cc: Rosado, Tina M.
>Subject: Re: Lisa's report
>
>
>At 07:47 PM 7/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >On Monday, July 07, 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
> > > A stunned Karen handled a blunt Tina well.
> >
> >Thank you. What happened in Bar Harbor stays in Bar Harbor.:)
> >
> >I enjoyed meeting all the Tinas I met (Paul's daughter and your one).
> >I think that you and Tina are good for each other.
>
>Thank you. I think we're good for each other too!
>
>
> >And I loved watching you talk on and on about food. Wordslers who think
> >I'm a foodie haven't heard you talk about food.
>
>Funny, I don't even remember talking about food. I'm not denying it, I just
>don't remember it.
>
> >The mussels in white wine sauce at that restaurant were wonderful--and
> >the woman who helped us move tables etc. was VERY cute.
>
>Yes, she was cute.
>
>Even cuter was me making mussels and white wine sauce for Tina last night.
>
>
> > > Adam was shot down when he asked for an honorary uterus. He had to
>settle
> > > for a salad instead.
> >
> >*That* was funny. How presumptuous of him!
>
>I mean really!
>
>
> > > Rashmi was lured into drinking by sipping from my glass of pomegranate
> > martini.
> >
> >To die for. I could have had like, 3, but no one would have wanted me
> >in their car the next day.
>
>They were good, weren't they?!
>
>
> > > I'd heard a lot of people teasing B&C about wanting go back next year. I
> > > think there was some truth to their "jokes". BH is a great place, B&C
>did a
> > > wonderful job. We each enjoyed what we made of our vacations. This
> > > combination of positive experiences makes it tempting to want to repeat.
> >
> >And their back yard is definitely big enough to camp in.
> >
> >Karen

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When last heard from, our intrepid newbie was expectantly
awaiting the Maine Event, an outdoor feast at the home of our
hosts, Bonnie and Clyde. The four mystery guests (Paul, Karen,
ET, and I) bundled ourselves into the car and headed down the
hill to the Voigtlander establishment. On the way we encountered
Natalie and urged her to join our merry throng.

A mere couple of blocks away, we spilled out into the already-
set-for-company back yard, and immediately made ourselves
at home. Betty and Larry, as well as Bonnie and Clyde,
greeted us, and the afternoon's festivities began. First we had
show-and-tell, featuring Alyce. (well, actually part of this happened
on the previous afternoon) Betty's red hat, Bonnie's completed
sweaters, and ET were all gifts from Alyce, and gave us a chance
to remember her and feel that she was still, in a small way, a part
of the Wordsler family.

Then we were given an opportunity to try on the coveted "WLW"
shirt (which I for one think mysterious and beautiful), and modeled
a couple of other items as well. Following the talent portion of the
afternoon, we went out to the deck where the <real> artistry was
going on: Clyde and Bonnie had prepared us a feast, and it was
all ready and waiting!

Not only was the main course delicious and the food and
beverage plentiful, but the desserts, which were carefully spaced
to give us digestion time between them, were out of this world.
The children were well behaved, all but Alan, who insisted on
singing a little ditty that got him in trouble with Ana. Alan, I
had one of those ice chips in my hand, waiting to slip down
your back if you came near enough - my sympathies were
all with her!

Thanks to the resulting chase, frisbee games, and a game of
Wordsler tag (every participant claimed to be <IT>!), the
children had plenty to do, and so were busy and relatively
well-behaved. I think Bonnie only had to chase them back
out of the house (no hide and seek inside!) once or twice.

Terry and I had a great time figuring out how to blow bubbles,
and all the grownups talked and snapped photos of each other.

Rita, Ana, and the Wilds were the first to leave, and another
round of conversation followed. What happens in BH stays in
BH, but I will admit that I didn't find any discrepancy between
Fest behavior and Ann B's claim that wordslers are nicer in
person.

Rita and Ana and I had a good time by the campfire. I think the
S'more Ana made me was the best I have ever had, and
I thoroughly enjoyed quiet conversation over coffee with
Rashmi afterwards.

The following morning we were up with the sun, and by early
and dedicated driving were able to avoid the majority of heavy
traffic points between Maine and home. We felt very happy
and very tired when we pulled into BrP's driveway and said
goodbye.

Thanks to all of you for welcoming a newbie so completely into
your fold.

clo

PS Adam, you are a tremendous inspiration. 120 this am!

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> BH, but I will admit that I didn't find any discrepancy between
> Fest behavior and Ann B's claim that wordslers are nicer in
> person.

If "Ann B" is meant to be me, I never claimed such a thing.

And now I think it's time to remind everybody to KEEP IN BAR HARBOR
everything that happened in Bar Harbor.

Ann

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> <<
> So now it's starting to re-download what is now 11,455 messages...

Loverly, indeed :)

> That's one reason I stopped using Sprynet; at least, with AOL, if it has
> to stop downloading, when it restarts it doesn't restart at the beginning.

Netscape does. But it was so long ago when it last happened
(knock-knock-knock!) that I usually do not think of it. At least I guess
there's never been a number of messages consisting of 5 digits to be received
at a time.

Kristin

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> > BH, but I will admit that I didn't find any discrepancy between
> > Fest behavior and Ann B's claim that wordslers are nicer in
> > person.
>
> >If "Ann B" is meant to be me, I never claimed such a thing.

Somehow I had a sinking feeling that you would say that.

> And now I think it's time to remind everybody to KEEP IN BAR HARBOR
> everything that happened in Bar Harbor.

Bored already?
clo

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> No, no, Mazurka was a Russian composer -- you know,
> the guy who wrote
> _Pickles at an Eggs Benediction_.
>
> Ken Miller
> Anacreontic Academy of Zymomusicology

Terrible groaning and gnashing of teeth.


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Lynne Weber wrote:

> > No, no, Mazurka was a Russian composer -- you know,
> > the guy who wrote
> > _Pickles at an Eggs Benediction_.
> >
> > Ken Miller
> > Anacreontic Academy of Zymomusicology
>
> Terrible groaning and gnashing of teeth.

Oh, is that where the TV show got its name?
(GNash Bridges)

clo

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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 11:13:35 -0500
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On Thursday, July 10, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> At 09:35 PM 7/9/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Zach. He would do anything for me. I think I had him hypnotized. He
>>was from Seal Beach.

> Seal Harbor, perhaps?

Yes, sorry.

Karen

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> Oh, is that where the TV show got its name?
> (GNash Bridges)
>
> clo

I am recemtly returned from a trip to Gnashville.


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On Tuesday, July 01, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> Prices or costs of things over which we probably
> should not haggle:
...
> 6.  Property taxes
...
>   The most comprehensive reason for not haggling over
> these things lies in the fact that it wouldn't do a
> bit of good, and is a waste of time.

Here, haggling over property taxes has been elevated to a sport. Some
people have been done a lot of good.

Karen

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> Here, haggling over property taxes has been elevated
> to a sport. Some
> people have been done a lot of good.
>
> Karen

How so?


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On Thursday, July 10, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> Here, haggling over property taxes has been elevated
>> to a sport. Some
>> people have been done a lot of good.
>>
>> Karen

> How so?

Taxes lowered. When you get the notification of your estimated
property tax bill, they include a form for challenging the amount.
Some people challenge it every year.

Karen

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I seem to have left my freezer door open slightly. And, the power went
off while I was gone. The result is that my icemaker is glued to the
freezer. Any suggestions for loosening it enough to clean it without
defrosting everything in my freezer?

Karen

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On Thursday, July 03, 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> Mystery guest are not steph or Richard. Who might it be? It is hint time.

So, Alec, were you at all surprised that it was me?

Karen

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On Friday, July 04, 2003, Bonniemaev wrote:
>>too excited to sleep, so went out for supper, and met
>>Betty and Larry. Finally got to sleep at midnight,

> Interesting.  One wonders just where this meeting too place.

I tried to explain to Carolyn that Wordslers Run Into Each Other, but
she seemed doubtful.

Karen

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On Friday, July 04, 2003, John Williams wrote:
> MURRAY, KY.--Master Carl Bradley Short announces the recent engagement
> of his mother, Amy Louise Burns (Short) of Murray, and his future
> stepfather, John Mark Williams of Mesa, Ariz.

>     The wedding will take place in June 2004.

>     The family will reside in Mesa.

Omedetou gozaimasu.

Karen

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 3:14 PM
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>On Thursday, July 03, 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>> Mystery guest are not steph or Richard. Who might it be? It
>is hint time.
>
>So, Alec, were you at all surprised that it was me?
>
>Karen
>

I was very surprised. Paul and Carolyn did not surprise me.



alec

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> freezer. Any suggestions for loosening it enough to clean it without

Hair dryer.

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On Thursday, July 10, 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> I was very surprised. Paul and Carolyn did not surprise me.

I'm glad you were surprised. I'm a terrible liar under most
circumstances, but I did my best. I will have to write a WHTM at some
point.

Karen

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How about using a hair dryer on it?

Sandra

> I seem to have left my freezer door open slightly. And, the power went
> off while I was gone. The result is that my icemaker is glued to the
> freezer. Any suggestions for loosening it enough to clean it without
> defrosting everything in my freezer?
>
> Karen
>
>

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On Monday, July 07, 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> And many thanks to Bonnie and Clyde for a great party. It made my
> longest-road-trip-ever and most-nights-spent-in-a-hotel-ever well worth it.

You know, I think this is my longest road trip ever, too--at least on
purpose. I know I've taken other roadtrips that went over because of
weather.

It was a great roadtrip, both ways. I would travel anywhere with those
guys.

Karen

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On Monday, July 07, 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
> Well, I've been told, once, twice, maybe even 10 times, that I look like I
> could hurt someone.

I believe this. While Tina would merely ridicule them to death.:)

Karen

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On Monday, July 07, 2003, Betty wrote:
> I'm going to take it to work tomorrow and x-ray it. There is metal in there
> someplace. They pulled me over every time.

Did you?

Karen

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On Sunday, July 06, 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> Details later in the week - I'm dead tired having driven the
> 280 miles from Adam's place in a shade under 5 hours.

WoW!

> I
> was dreading getting stuck in holiday weekend traffic in
> Southern New England, GW bridge, NJTurnpike etc. but
> everyone was speeding and I just kept up.

I'm shocked, but happy for you. We kept congratulating ourselves that
we weren't in the NYC traffic, until we realized that you would be. It
looked awful.

> I want to go back to Bar Harbour.

Me, too!

Karen

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On Sunday, July 06, 2003, Betty wrote:
> At 10:03 PM 7/6/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>>I've finished posting my AcadiaFest photos.
>>
>>http://adamhartfield1937.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=32360

> Okay, I hope I did this right.  I tried not to duplicate too many of Adam's.

> http://betty9901.fotopic.net/

Are you saving the picture of Paul sleeping for blackmail later?

Karen

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Ann Borkin:

>And now I think it's time to remind everybody to KEEP IN BAR HARBOR
>everything that happened in Bar Harbor.

This reminds me, Natalie struck me as quite un-childish while talking
about her leaving the list. Your assessment was all wrong, Ann Borkin!

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--- sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> wrote:
> How about using a hair dryer on it?
>
> Sandra

But for land's sake don't use an ice pick.  The really
important thing is that Birl's okay and more vocal
than ever, right?



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> >And now I think it's time to remind everybody to KEEP IN BAR HARBOR
> >everything that happened in Bar Harbor.
>
> This reminds me, Natalie struck me as quite un-childish while talking
> about her leaving the list. Your assessment was all wrong, Ann Borkin!

I maintain that the writings as she left it were childish.  She may have
left for mature & sensible reasons, but what she said made it sound "so
THERE" childish.

so THERE!

Ann

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I thought the chemistry was great all around.  ;-)



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> It was a great roadtrip, both ways. I would travel anywhere with those
> guys.
>
> Karen

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Well it creeped me out and I'm getting rid of it by spreading the
creepiness:

There's a show of photographs of people and their sex dolls/mannequins and
I saw it and it was CREEPY CREEPY CREEPY.

Here's one:

http://www.modernisminc.com/exhibitions/upcoming/VALLEY_OF_THE_DOLLS/#

Ann

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On Thursday, July 10, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> But for land's sake don't use an ice pick.  The really
> important thing is that Birl's okay and more vocal
> than ever, right?

Burl.

She is okay, and evidently Katy (Paul's cat) phoned her every day we
were away, because in addition to looking alike, they are sounding
more alike.

She hasn't let me out of her sight much since I've been back; if I
leave the room, she tells me stories of what happened while I was on
my trip till I come back.

I think she thinks that I am her personal pillow: if I lay down on the
couch, she flies from wherever she is and jumps on my chest and makes
herself at home. She is a kind, generous, and loving cat. I'm very
happy that she wasn't angry at me for leaving her.

Karen

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Elena Dorfman's Rebecca was kinda touching...  ahem.


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> Well it creeped me out and I'm getting rid of it by spreading the
> creepiness:
>
> There's a show of photographs of people and their sex dolls/mannequins and
> I saw it and it was CREEPY CREEPY CREEPY.
>
> Here's one:
>
> http://www.modernisminc.com/exhibitions/upcoming/VALLEY_OF_THE_DOLLS/#
>
> Ann

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On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Alan Wild wrote:

> Elena Dorfman's Rebecca was kinda touching...  ahem.

Yes, actually that's the one I thought I had linked to.

There was another sad one of a guy and his doll watching tv (only she
looked really bored)

Ann

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> Well it creeped me out and I'm getting rid of it by spreading the
> creepiness:
>
> There's a show of photographs of people and their sex dolls/mannequins and
> I saw it and it was CREEPY CREEPY CREEPY.
>
> Here's one:
>
> http://www.modernisminc.com/exhibitions/upcoming/VALLEY_OF_THE_DOLLS/#
>
> Ann

I think you have to be more like John Waters to like this kind of "art." I
was curious enough to look at a couple pics, that's about all.

Sandra

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At 03:00 PM 7/10/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Monday, July 07, 2003, Betty wrote:
> > I'm going to take it to work tomorrow and x-ray it. There is metal in there
> > someplace. They pulled me over every time.
>
>Did you?

Not yet.  I've been bringing in plums from our tree every day.

Betty

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At 03:08 PM 7/10/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Sunday, July 06, 2003, Betty wrote:
> > At 10:03 PM 7/6/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >>I've finished posting my AcadiaFest photos.
> >>
> >>http://adamhartfield1937.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=32360
>
> > Okay, I hope I did this right.  I tried not to duplicate too many of
> Adam's.
>
> > http://betty9901.fotopic.net/
>
>Are you saving the picture of Paul sleeping for blackmail later?

No, those are just for me. He has the cutest belly.

Betty

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On Thursday, July 10, 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
> At 03:08 PM 7/10/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Are you saving the picture of Paul sleeping for blackmail later?

> No, those are just for me. He has the cutest belly.

Yes. I had to resist making a razzberry on it.

Karen

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On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Alan Wild wrote:

> Was that Valentine 2 ?

ha ha no, I didn't see Valentine 2 (it wasn't in the show and I didn't
realize there were so many other pictures on the web site).

No, this was man and doll side by side on a couch.  His hand rested
companionably on her thigh and he looked absorbed in whatever was on the
tv, don't remember.

Ann

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I feel a bit weird writing this while Paul is incommunicado from the
list, but oh, well.

Too many things to list. I do feel like I was gone for longer than 12
days--after the first three days, I started telling people I'd lived
in Syracuse for two years, because that's about what it feels like.

I had nearly a week with Paul before we headed off to Acadia. He met
me at the airport, and I wore my balloon hat Just In Case. As it
turned out, I stopped to go to the bathroom and put on the balloon
hat, so the doors to the non-secure area opened automatically AND
THERE WAS PAUL!!!! The first day was A Little Weird. We kept sneaking
looks at each other and then giggling.

It was a very busy week, including a picnic with 4 generations of his
family and dress shopping with his daughter Tina.

One of Paul's habits that I wasn't quite prepared for is that he
speaks Russian to everyone, thinking that they will eventually
understand. (And I did actually begin to understand some things that
he repeated.) We went up to campus one day--on the Monday after I got
there, I guess. And we were walking around. I heard Paul greet someone
and thought "That doesn't sound like Russian" and then I saw the man
he greeted and thought "He doesn't look Russian". It turns out that it
was Mohawk, as was the man, and I had heard a story about him a while
back.

All the days sort of blur together. One night we went to see the
something or other rose garden near (on?) campus--Carolyn will know
the name. This is the best rose garden I have ever seen, bar none. I
love the way things are laid out, and these roses are the largest I
have ever seen. It's really made me re-think trellises.

And then we went to Open Hand one morning with his daughter Tina. She
hadn't been there in a while, I gather, and neither had I... For those
who aren't up to speed, this is the "puppet theater" Paul has been
involved with for several years. See http://www.openhandtheater.org/.
It was pretty amazing. Vova, Paul's housemate, is a visiting artist at
the theater, and he really is. We got to see the workshop in the
basement, and some of the sets, etc. I got to go in the tower of the
castle, and we went in the attic, where the puppets sleep between
shows. Vova can make puppets out of anything, and they really are
alive. (Sorry, Adam.)

Like I said, too many things to list. Paul and I cooked together a few
times, and that was a lot of fun. Lots of good food was consumed. We
had dinner one night with Carolyn, post-Seattle. That's where I posted
my 2nd lying e-mail from.

Karen

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Was that Valentine 2 ?


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> On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Alan Wild wrote:
>
> > Elena Dorfman's Rebecca was kinda touching...  ahem.
>
> Yes, actually that's the one I thought I had linked to.
>
> There was another sad one of a guy and his doll watching tv (only she
> looked really bored)
>
> Ann

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>
> I think she thinks that I am her personal pillow: if
> I lay down on the
> couch, she flies from wherever she is and jumps on
> my chest and makes
> herself at home. She is a kind, generous, and loving
> cat. I'm very
> happy that she wasn't angry at me for leaving her.
>
> Karen

I'm sorry, Burl.  You need to check with Paul to see
if Katy has been telling the same stories.  You know,
they make up horror stories so you will never leave
again, and then they throw in little guilt trip
touches.  Loving pets are truly gifts from the gods,
and all of them know it.


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--- Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> wrote:
> Well it creeped me out and I'm getting rid of it by
> spreading the
> creepiness:
>
> There's a show of photographs of people and their
> sex dolls/mannequins and
> I saw it and it was CREEPY CREEPY CREEPY.
>
> Here's one:
>
>
http://www.modernisminc.com/exhibitions/upcoming/VALLEY_OF_THE_DOLLS/#
>
> Ann

When I saw Ann's "creep out", I thought it was a
command.


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On 10 Jul 2003 at 13:59, sandra wrote:

> I think you have to be more like John Waters to like this kind of "art."

Why the quotation marks? Must all images be appealing to you in
order to be considered plain old unmarked art?

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Har!  'Can picture it.  'Am like that at work (not absorbed, bored).


----- Original Message -----
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> On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Alan Wild wrote:
>
> > Was that Valentine 2 ?
>
> ha ha no, I didn't see Valentine 2 (it wasn't in the show and I didn't
> realize there were so many other pictures on the web site).
>
> No, this was man and doll side by side on a couch.  His hand rested
> companionably on her thigh and he looked absorbed in whatever was on the
> tv, don't remember.
>
> Ann

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Apparently, I'm just not reading carefully enough.

Who is Paul?

Sandra

> I feel a bit weird writing this while Paul is incommunicado from the
> list, but oh, well.
>
> Too many things to list. I do feel like I was gone for longer than 12
> days--after the first three days, I started telling people I'd lived
> in Syracuse for two years, because that's about what it feels like.
>
> I had nearly a week with Paul before we headed off to Acadia. He met
> me at the airport, and I wore my balloon hat Just In Case. As it
> turned out, I stopped to go to the bathroom and put on the balloon
> hat, so the doors to the non-secure area opened automatically AND
> THERE WAS PAUL!!!! The first day was A Little Weird. We kept sneaking
> looks at each other and then giggling.
>
> It was a very busy week, including a picnic with 4 generations of his
> family and dress shopping with his daughter Tina.
>
> One of Paul's habits that I wasn't quite prepared for is that he
> speaks Russian to everyone, thinking that they will eventually
> understand. (And I did actually begin to understand some things that
> he repeated.) We went up to campus one day--on the Monday after I got
> there, I guess. And we were walking around. I heard Paul greet someone
> and thought "That doesn't sound like Russian" and then I saw the man
> he greeted and thought "He doesn't look Russian". It turns out that it
> was Mohawk, as was the man, and I had heard a story about him a while
> back.
>
> All the days sort of blur together. One night we went to see the
> something or other rose garden near (on?) campus--Carolyn will know
> the name. This is the best rose garden I have ever seen, bar none. I
> love the way things are laid out, and these roses are the largest I
> have ever seen. It's really made me re-think trellises.
>
> And then we went to Open Hand one morning with his daughter Tina. She
> hadn't been there in a while, I gather, and neither had I... For those
> who aren't up to speed, this is the "puppet theater" Paul has been
> involved with for several years. See http://www.openhandtheater.org/.
> It was pretty amazing. Vova, Paul's housemate, is a visiting artist at
> the theater, and he really is. We got to see the workshop in the
> basement, and some of the sets, etc. I got to go in the tower of the
> castle, and we went in the attic, where the puppets sleep between
> shows. Vova can make puppets out of anything, and they really are
> alive. (Sorry, Adam.)
>
> Like I said, too many things to list. Paul and I cooked together a few
> times, and that was a lot of fun. Lots of good food was consumed. We
> had dinner one night with Carolyn, post-Seattle. That's where I posted
> my 2nd lying e-mail from.
>
> Karen
>
>

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Lighten up.

Sandra

> On 10 Jul 2003 at 13:59, sandra wrote:
>
> > I think you have to be more like John Waters to like this kind of "art."
>
> Why the quotation marks? Must all images be appealing to you in
> order to be considered plain old unmarked art?
>
>

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On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, sandra wrote:

> Apparently, I'm just not reading carefully enough.
>
> Who is Paul?

oH gOD you're in for it now.

Ann

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Lemme pour a margarita to bolster me.

Sandra

>
> On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, sandra wrote:
>
> > Apparently, I'm just not reading carefully enough.
> >
> > Who is Paul?
>
> oH gOD you're in for it now.
>
> Ann
>
>

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On Thursday, July 10, 2003, sandra wrote:
> Apparently, I'm just not reading carefully enough.

> Who is Paul?

LOL. BrP. You know, whose brother Jim Natalie kissed? My Evil Twin? My
Sweet Polenta? My partner in Evil Twins Marketing Enterprises (ETME)?

Karen

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> On Thursday, July 10, 2003, sandra wrote:
> > Apparently, I'm just not reading carefully enough.
>
> > Who is Paul?
>
> LOL. BrP. You know, whose brother Jim Natalie kissed? My Evil Twin? My
> Sweet Polenta? My partner in Evil Twins Marketing Enterprises (ETME)?
>
> Karen

okay...gotcha....

If you'd just said "my sweet polenta" I wouldn't have had to ax.

Sandra

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Yes, John Stobart wouldn't call it art either.

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> On 10 Jul 2003 at 13:59, sandra wrote:
>
> > I think you have to be more like John Waters to like this kind of "art."
>
> Why the quotation marks? Must all images be appealing to you in
> order to be considered plain old unmarked art?

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On Thursday, July 10, 2003, sandra wrote:
> If you'd just said "my sweet polenta" I wouldn't have had to ax.

Uh-huh.

Karen

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Let's see...

Acadia has been pretty well covered by everyone. Gorgeous, beautiful,
good food (smoked trout omelet @ Two Cats was amazing), etc., etc.,
and so forth. Lots of lobster.

When we got back to Syracuse, Paul and I talked about what to do with
the time I had left until my plane left. We decided that we would go
to the library together--me for play, him to work part of the day.

The first day, I looked at Margaraet Bourke White's photographs of
India and Japan. Very, very interesting and unusual photographs.

I also wanted to look at some Jack Kerouac stuff, but that was
disappointing. However, in the same box was stuff by Allen Ginsberg
and Michael McClure--mostly correspondence. I loved reading that.

Tuesday morning, Carolyn picked me up and we went to her office and
discussed the terms of our collaboration. I think this will be good
for both of us.

After that, I walked over to the library and Paul provided me with
more things to look at--to start with, The Ben Buckhurst Chronicles.
>From http://libwww.syr.edu/information/libassoc/spring97/acquisit.htm,
"The 33 issues of The Ben Buckhurst Chronicle were produced between
1862 and 1867 by the eldest daughter of the Powells of Buckhurst Hill
in Kent, England, for relatives. Often written in verse form, the
chronicles document Victorian country life: family visits, travel,
births, marriages, musical programs, balls, church events, and
athletic competitions." These were amazing--and the verses were
occasionally appalling and occasionally fabulous.

Then I looked at more Margaret Bourke White photographs, her Cornell
photos. And some Delman Shoes photographs that go with Ann Borkin's
sex doll pictures. Those were quite interesting. Also, Clifford
Floyd--what a great face. After that... I think there was something
else, but I'm blanking. I spent the last little bit looking at Isabel
and Richard Burton's correspondence; that was a total thrill.

My brain is still very full.

Karen

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At least three yards!

Betty

At 03:07 PM 7/10/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
>Lemme pour a margarita to bolster me.
>
>Sandra
>
> >
> > On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, sandra wrote:
> >
> > > Apparently, I'm just not reading carefully enough.
> > >
> > > Who is Paul?
> >
> > oH gOD you're in for it now.
> >
> > Ann
> >
> >

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On 10 Jul 2003 at 18:25, Alan Wild wrote:

> Yes, John Stobart wouldn't call it art either.

Why not?

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On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Betty Clark wrote:

> At least three yards!
>
> Betty
>
> At 03:07 PM 7/10/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
> >Lemme pour a margarita to bolster me.
> >
> >Sandra
> >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, sandra wrote:
> > >
> > > > Apparently, I'm just not reading carefully enough.
> > > >
> > > > Who is Paul?
> > >
> > > oH gOD you're in for it now.
> > >
> > > Ann
> > >
> > >
>

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I'm sorry for the blank messages.  What's happening is that this telnet at
work doesn't show me the quoted messages, only the new message, unless I
pretend to reply to it.  And sometimes I forget I'm pretending, and reply
instead of cancelling.

Ann

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET>
> On 10 Jul 2003 at 18:25, Alan Wild wrote:
>
> > Yes, John Stobart wouldn't call it art either.
>
> Why not?

He's much more critical of effort and imagination than to allow a sex scene
through the filter.

Take my word for it.

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>
> On 10 Jul 2003 at 18:25, Alan Wild wrote:
>
> > Yes, John Stobart wouldn't call it art either.
>
> Why not?

Does a gal have to use emoticons to convey sarcasm???? Sheeez....

Sandra

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> PS Adam, you are a tremendous inspiration. 120 this am!

Me? Really? Wow. Thanks. Way to go!

--Adam
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> She is okay, and evidently Katy (Paul's cat) phoned her every day we
> were away, because in addition to looking alike, they are sounding
> more alike.

Fab.

Soon we'll be getting posts to WORDS-L in
the voices of pet cats.


"Lester had a hairball."

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On Thursday, July 10, 2003, boy wrote:
> Soon we'll be getting posts to WORDS-L in
> the voices of pet cats.


> "Lester had a hairball."

How would that change the nature of the list?

Karen

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Sandra:
> I think you have to be more like John Waters
> to like this kind of "art."

Is there something wrong with being like
John Waters?


ObRashmi: resisting urge to post inside
reference .sig

Thank you, move along.

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> Yes. I had to resist making a razzberry on it.

I thought we were leaving Bar Harbor
in Bar Harbor.

Guess not.

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Ann B.:
> No, this was man and doll side by side on a couch.  His hand rested
> companionably on her thigh and he looked absorbed in whatever was on the
> tv, don't remember.

Presumably pr0n.

Those dolls don't work on their own, you know.

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On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, boy wrote:

> Ann B.:
> > No, this was man and doll side by side on a couch.  His hand rested
> > companionably on her thigh and he looked absorbed in whatever was on the
> > tv, don't remember.
>
> Presumably pr0n.
>
> Those dolls don't work on their own, you know.

I don't know, there was such a ma & pa domestic quality to it, I think he
was probably watching the news or maybe Siskell & Ebert.

Ann

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On 10 Jul 2003 at 18:41, Alan Wild wrote:

> He's much more critical of effort and imagination than to allow a sex
> scene through the filter.

So some scenes can be depicted in art but others by definition
cannot be considered art, no matter how depicted?

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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 18:52:16 -0500
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On Thursday, July 10, 2003, boy wrote:
>> Yes. I had to resist making a razzberry on it.

> I thought we were leaving Bar Harbor
> in Bar Harbor.

> Guess not.

The impulse wasn't especially active in Bar Harbor, it was earlier. In
Syracuse.

But I also wanted to roll down a hill, too.

Should I tell you all the impulses I had in the last two weeks?

Karen

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> Sandra:
> > I think you have to be more like John Waters
> > to like this kind of "art."
>
> Is there something wrong with being like
> John Waters?
>

I like Waters. For my birthday a couple of years ago, my brother sent me a
framed sheet out of a blue book (my brother is a professor)... earlier that
month, he'd found himself sharing first class accomodations with JW on a
Baltimore/Boston flight and knowing how much I used to frequent JWs films
(back in the day with my college friends) not to mention the fact I'd once
gone to a Halloween party as Divine...he'd secured a birthday note from JW
on a torn out sheet from one of his students blue books. I have it hanging
in my living room.

Good god, I can't believe you fell for my bait.

Sandra

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> > Sandra:
> > > I think you have to be more like John Waters
> > > to like this kind of "art."
> >
> > Is there something wrong with being like
> > John Waters?
> >
>
> I like Waters. For my birthday a couple of years ago, my brother sent me a
> framed sheet out of a blue book (my brother is a professor)...
> earlier that
> month, he'd found himself sharing first class accomodations with JW on a
> Baltimore/Boston flight and knowing how much I used to frequent JWs films
> (back in the day with my college friends) not to mention the fact I'd once
> gone to a Halloween party as Divine...he'd secured a birthday note from JW
> on a torn out sheet from one of his students blue books. I have it hanging
> in my living room.
>
> Good god, I can't believe you fell for my bait.
>
> Sandra

And just where is Tushar? He would never have gone for it.

Sandra

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Hi Mac,

I'm just telling you what I've heard about the scholarships he awards.  He's
my brother's father in-law, and having won notoriety as a maritime artist of
international merit, he now runs a foundation which awards promising
students.  From what his daughter (my brother's wife) tells me, he doesn't
consider throwing paint at a canvas, art, and I suspect that he would dis' a
lot of "abstract" art as well.

In terms of portraying sex.. well...  Tell me why Hugh Hef' isn't renown for
his art, and I think you'll answer your own question.

Art to me harkens extremely vague memories, too subtle to put a finger on.
An aesthetic piece of art will do it through nuance.  But I really don't
care to get into it.  I previously was identifying a professional in the
field of it's study, and how he awards scholarships.

'Regards, Alan



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> On 10 Jul 2003 at 18:41, Alan Wild wrote:
>
> > He's much more critical of effort and imagination than to allow a sex
> > scene through the filter.
>
> So some scenes can be depicted in art but others by definition
> cannot be considered art, no matter how depicted?

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I'm too zonked to find the right words.  It's a long f'ing way from
Quebec to Starkville when just barreling down the highways, as opposed
to the upward route that included visits and The Main(e) Event.  No
doubt by now many others have described the gloriousness of the Fest.
It really was perfect.  I don't know what it is that Clyde does to food,
but I think it's magic.  I never do seconds.  But I did this time.  I've
had quesadillas before but never like these.  The ingredients *looked*
like ordinary ingredients, but the taste was far, far from ordinary.
And Bonnie's desserts were amazing.  THREE superb desserts??  My mind
and tastebuds are still boggled.

That was just the July 5 event.  The rest of the fest time was also
wonderful, orchestrated by B&C and with our dropping by for visits
whenever.

I am so very zonked.  I can't do justice to the subject.

Pictures tomorrow.  Can't do them tonight.  Got up at 4:00 EDT, which
means 3:00 <here time>.  Was on the road by 5:00 -- pitch black dark,
which struck me as funny since I'm the one who doesn't drive (except
locally) after dark because I can't see -- didn't know that night hung
around so long in Kentucky.  The only way I made it across Lexington was
that the highway I was searching for was apparently the Brad Grissom
Parkway -- the signs I was struggling to make out in the darkness all
said BG.

Got home in time to pick up Spencer -- called Furrbabies from the TN-AL
line to say I'd be there this afternoon instead of tomorrow morning.  Am
very happy to have him here tonight.  And I had good feelings about
Furrbabies -- no bad vibes at all.

Anyway, pictures tomorrow.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On 10 Jul 2003 at 20:17, Alan Wild wrote:

> From what his daughter (my brother's wife) tells me, he doesn't
> consider throwing paint at a canvas, art, and I suspect that he would
> dis' a lot of "abstract" art as well.

Well, Alan,. since you picked up the gauntlet. . . .

What I was quarreling with was the initial suggestion--not yours--
that the images referred to were "art" not art. What does that
mean? By convention, we use quotation marks around a common word to
suggest that the intended meaning is something other than that
which we would ordinarily assume.

So, where does that place these images? Non-art? I don't accept
that judgement.

I would guess that what really was intended is "art" = "that which
I don't like." It's perfectly okay not to like a particular piece
of art but to deny its status as art is something else. You may not
like abstracts, but don't tell me Jackson Pollack's creations
aren't art.

All this is so obvious I don't know why I'm spending the time on.
I'm good at emphasizing the obvious.


> In terms of portraying sex.. well...  Tell me why Hugh Hef' isn't renown for
> his art, and I think you'll answer your own question.

It could be that Hefner isn't renowned for his art because he
doesn't make any art. Or maybe he does. I don't know, but I'll
agree that he's not most famous for producing art. On the other
hand, the pages of his magazine have been filled over the years
with pieces of visual and literary art by people of considerable
accomplishment. They may not be to your taste, and that's okay, but
I would still contend that they are art.


> Art to me harkens extremely vague memories, too subtle to put a finger on.
> An aesthetic piece of art will do it through nuance.

Maybe there's as much nuance and suggestive power in an image of a
guy and his doll sitting in front of a television set as there is
in a painting of a handful of individuals sitting around a diner in
the middle of the night.

Hell, Alan, I think even your Bar Harbor snapshots are art.

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>THREE superb desserts??  My mind
> and tastebuds are still boggled.
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


I'm going to think of it as DessertFest.

Sandra

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--- sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> wrote:
> Lighten up.
>
> Sandra
> >
> > Why the quotation marks? Must all images be
> appealing to you in
> > order to be considered plain old unmarked art?

What, do tell, is "plain old unmarked art"?
Do you seriously mean this junk to which Ms. Borkin
has so considerately brought our attention?

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From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@maynor.net>
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I think it's car keys.  I put motel key-cards in the same side pocket of
my purse that my car keys live in.  Did you have your Quality Inn
card-key near car keys?  I had had the same problem in Erwin, TN (a
dreadful little town -- I think I mentioned it to some of you at
Acadiafest).  Then night before last in Somewhere, PA, I had the problem
again -- key worked at first, then didn't.  So I asked the friendly desk
person what might be causing the problem and pulled out all the contents
of that side-pocket of my purse (even though he was jolly and not
concerned -- he reprograms keys constantly).  He nodded yes when I held
up my car keys and asked whether that might be the problem.  So I stored
my car keys elsewhere and had no more motel key problems, either in
Wherever, PA, or last night in Lexington.

Speaking of keys, I {heart} my p.o.  I keep my car key and house key on
a separate chain from my many other keys, and when I left on this trip,
I saw no need to take the many-other-keys chain, so I plopped that key
chain onto my desk.  When I got home this afternoon, I didn't stop at
the p.o. since I knew I didn't have my key.  I came home and unloaded
Spencer and the stuff in my car and then went back to the p.o.  As I
walked in, I realized that I didn't have my p.o. key -- that it was
still sitting on the desk at home.  But of course the kind p.o. person
went gave me my mail anyway.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Thursday, July 10, 2003, sandra wrote:
>>THREE superb desserts??  My mind
>> and tastebuds are still boggled.
>> --
>>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


> I'm going to think of it as DessertFest.

Well, it *was* on Mt. Desert Island...

Karen

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I think I'm gonna wear out the Nields.  Played that CD a good bit today,
along with the amazingly wonderful LClark CD.  I also played the
AnnBorkin Mix and liked it.

I told Brad to tell you when I called him from West Point today, where I
was loitering waiting for the pickup time at Furrbabies, that when I
ordered a hotdog at a Dairy Queen in Alabama today, I didn't have to
order the slaw as a side dish and apply it myself to the dog.  The Dairy
Queen people applied the slaw to the dog.  As much as I enjoy traveling,
there are some good things about getting home or near home.  Hotdogs cry
out for slaw.

--
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On Thursday, July 10, 2003, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
> Maybe there's as much nuance and suggestive power in an image of a
> guy and his doll sitting in front of a television set as there is
> in a painting of a handful of individuals sitting around a diner in
> the middle of the night.

> Hell, Alan, I think even your Bar Harbor snapshots are art.

Well, said, Br Mem.

Karen

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On Thursday, July 10, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> Do you seriously mean this junk to which Ms. Borkin
> has so considerately brought our attention?

I don't understand how you can't see this as art. What makes it junk?
Because it deals with sexual themes?

Karen

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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:10:28 -0700 (PDT)
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> What, do tell, is "plain old unmarked art"?
> Do you seriously mean this junk to which Ms. Borkin
> has so considerately brought our attention?

Just to stand up and be counted:  these pictures creeped me out big time -
but if we're going to get simple and form 'art' vs. 'junk' batallians,
count me in the ART category.  Particularly because I got taken in, at
first, thinking these were real people!  (I figured, must be prostitutes
or porn stars)  Then vam vam vam back atcha again when I realized what
they were I had a kind of double vision.  I hadn't looked at them very
hard the first time, being repelled.  Then I looked again and was repelled
again but also felt the pathos, man, the fuckin PATHOS.

They also are quite lush, as pictures, and Well Composed - so you have to
attribute any belief/feeling that they are not art, to your reactions to
the content.  In my opinion.

Ann

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At 07:10 PM 7/10/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>They also are quite lush, as pictures, and Well Composed - so you have to
>attribute any belief/feeling that they are not art, to your reactions to
>the content.  In my opinion.

Well, said, Old Lady Borkin.

B

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> that the images referred to were "art" not art. What
> does that
> mean?
>
> So, where does that place these images? Non-art? I
> don't accept
> that judgement.
>
> I would guess that what really was intended is "art"
> = "that which
> I don't like." It's perfectly okay not to like a
> particular piece
> of art but to deny its status as art is something
> else. You may not
> like abstracts, but don't tell me Jackson Pollack's
> creations
> aren't art.

> > In terms of portraying sex.. well...  Tell me why
> Hugh Hef' isn't renown for
> > his art, and I think you'll answer your own
> question.
>
> It could be that Hefner isn't renowned for his art
> because he
> doesn't make any art. Or maybe he does.
  They may not be to your taste, and
> that's okay, but
> I would still contend that they are art.
>
>
> > Art to me harkens extremely vague memories, too
> subtle to put a finger on.
> > An aesthetic piece of art will do it through
> nuance.
>
> Maybe there's as much nuance and suggestive power in
> an image of a
> guy and his doll sitting in front of a television
> set as there is
> in a painting of a handful of individuals sitting
> around a diner in
> the middle of the night.
>
> Hell, Alan, I think even your Bar Harbor snapshots
> are art.

What you are discussing is the use of one word to
embrace two concepts, or perceptions that are at odds
with one another.  It all always come back to
semantics.  If Jones decides to call his hand a foot,
fine for Jones.  But Smith may experience a high
degree of difficulty in understanding Jones'concept
of what he now calls a foot.  Thus, if one is going to
argue about the words art versus "art", who wants to
be the first to clearly define the parameters of the
concept and claim the word as having his own meaning?
If this seems a little convoluted to you, it sure does
to me.


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On Thursday, July 10, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> They also are quite lush, as pictures, and Well Composed

Yeppers.

>  - so you have to
> attribute any belief/feeling that they are not art, to your reactions to
> the content.  In my opinion.

Karen

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--- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> On Thursday, July 10, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > They also are quite lush, as pictures, and Well
> Composed
>
> Yeppers.
>
> >  - so you have to
> > attribute any belief/feeling that they are not
> art, to your reactions to
> > the content.  In my opinion.
>
> Karen

Shouldn't art attract one?  I don't mean just make
people do double takes because of the content of the
piece.  I mean, would you really like go back to a
museum to see it again and again - when the shock
value has worn off?  Would you want this hanging in
your foyer or living room?  I really cannot for the
life of me see what is aesthetic or attractive about
this stuff.

There's nothing new about this.  We all have bodies
most of which are pretty dam' ugly.  Come on, look
around you - dying to see him nude, or her?


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On Thursday, July 10, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> --- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
>> On Thursday, July 10, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>> > They also are quite lush, as pictures, and Well
>> Composed
>>
>> Yeppers.
>>
>> >  - so you have to
>> > attribute any belief/feeling that they are not
>> art, to your reactions to
>> > the content.  In my opinion.
>>
>> Karen

> Shouldn't art attract one?

Huh? I don't see that 'attract' has anything to do with art. Art is an
expression that others may or may not find pleasing.

>  I don't mean just make
> people do double takes because of the content of the
> piece.  I mean, would you really like go back to a
> museum to see it again and again - when the shock
> value has worn off?  Would you want this hanging in
> your foyer or living room?

There is more to art than decoration, you know.

>   I really cannot for the
> life of me see what is aesthetic or attractive about
> this stuff.

As Ann said, the photographs are well composed. She also said 'lush',
but I didn't really get that feeling from the web site; maybe from the
actual photographs.

> There's nothing new about this.  We all have bodies
> most of which are pretty dam' ugly.  Come on, look
> around you - dying to see him nude, or her?

I'm not dying to see anyone nude--but I enjoy nudity. I like being
nude and being places where clothes are not required. I don't think
that bodies are 'pretty dam' ugly'.

Was anyone nude in those photos? I don't remember that.

Karen

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At 07:27 PM 7/10/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
>There's nothing new about this.  We all have bodies
>most of which are pretty dam' ugly.  Come on, look
>around you - dying to see him nude, or her?

Hey!  I resemble that.

Betty

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On Thursday, July 10, 2003, Betty wrote:
> At 07:27 PM 7/10/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
>>There's nothing new about this.  We all have bodies
>>most of which are pretty dam' ugly.  Come on, look
>>around you - dying to see him nude, or her?

> Hey!  I resemble that.

Where were you when we went to the nude beach?

Karen

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On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

> Shouldn't art attract one?

Many say yes, some say not necessarily.  I think art should -interest- you
(though not everybody finds the same things interesting) and I think
visual art should be visually interesting, I mean give the eyes something
to measure, take in, wander over, appreciate, SEE.  These pictures did
that.  I can't call them beautiful because like you, I tie 'attraction'
and beauty.  But there are people who would call them beautiful, I'm sure;
the colors were old-master rich and the compositions were well -composed-,
I don't have a good vocabulary for that.

Ann


I don't
mean just make > people do double takes because of the content of the
> piece.  I mean, would you really like go back to a
> museum to see it again and again - when the shock
> value has worn off?  Would you want this hanging in
> your foyer or living room?  I really cannot for the
> life of me see what is aesthetic or attractive about
> this stuff.
>
> There's nothing new about this.  We all have bodies
> most of which are pretty dam' ugly.  Come on, look
> around you - dying to see him nude, or her?
>
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On 10 Jul 2003 at 19:45, Betty wrote:

> Hey!  I resemble that.

Do you? How can we know that?

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> > Hey!  I resemble that.
>
> Where were you when we went to the nude beach?
>
> Karen

Well, I'm not going to change your perspective, you
are not going to change mine.  Las Vegas wouldn't
exist without folks like us.  Live and let live, to
each his peach.

Listen to some Grieg, Steely Dan, Dvorak, Abba,
Sibelius, Jobim.  Now, that's art.  (I can hear the
rumbles of disagreement even as I peck away.)

We are probably not going to be going to the same
beach together, either.


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On 10 Jul 2003 at 19:52, Lynne Weber wrote:

> Listen to some Grieg, Steely Dan, Dvorak, Abba,
> Sibelius, Jobim.  Now, that's art.

Well, you're partly right, anyway.

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--- "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET>
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> On 10 Jul 2003 at 19:52, Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> > Listen to some Grieg, Steely Dan, Dvorak, Abba,
> > Sibelius, Jobim.  Now, that's art.
>
> Well, you're partly right, anyway.

Which part?  No, let me guess...


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--- "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET>
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> On 10 Jul 2003 at 19:45, Betty wrote:
>
> > Hey!  I resemble that.
>
> Do you? How can we know that?

We're waiting, Betty.


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At 04:51 PM 7/10/2003 -1000, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
>On 10 Jul 2003 at 19:45, Betty wrote:
>
> > Hey!  I resemble that.
>
>Do you? How can we know that?

Take my word for it.  Please.

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On 10 Jul 2003 at 19:56, Lynne Weber wrote:

> Which part?  No, let me guess...

Be my guesst.

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--- "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET>
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> On 10 Jul 2003 at 19:56, Lynne Weber wrote:
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> > Which part?  No, let me guess...
>
> Be my guesst.

Wiseacre.


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--- Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> wrote:
> At 04:51 PM 7/10/2003 -1000, Michael E. Macmillan
> wrote:
> >On 10 Jul 2003 at 19:45, Betty wrote:
> >
> > > Hey!  I resemble that.
> >
> >Do you? How can we know that?
>
> Take my word for it.  Please.

You're off the hook, so to speak.


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On Thursday, July 10, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> Listen to some Grieg, Steely Dan, Dvorak, Abba,
> Sibelius, Jobim.  Now, that's art.  (I can hear the
> rumbles of disagreement even as I peck away.)

Sure, but it's not visual art.

Karen

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> Sure, but it's not visual art.
>
> Karen

I quite agree, but surely in there somewhere is one
artist on whom we can agree?  Obviously, there is
quite a void between our tastes in this case.  But
there also must be virtually thousands of visual
images we would find appealing, interesting,
thought-provoking and just purely beautiful, images
that appease our senses of symmetry, appreciation of
colors, textures, lighting - oh, there really must be
hundreds of thousands.  So why should we get so "het
up" about this particular case?

Mind you, it's still not art of any sort to me.  So
let's not beat a dead nag.


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On Thursday, July 10, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> Sure, but it's not visual art.
>>
>> Karen

> I quite agree, but surely in there somewhere is one
> artist on whom we can agree?

Why do we have to?

> Obviously, there is
> quite a void between our tastes in this case.

Huh? I would never say that this particular stuff is my taste.

> So why should we get so "het
> up" about this particular case?

Who's het up? You just happen to have picked a topic I've been
thinking a lot about lately. And in any case, you answer your own
question:

> Mind you, it's still not art of any sort to me.

Your narrowmindedness pretty much says it all.

> So let's not beat a dead nag.

I'm afraid that to me, you are the dead nag. But, whatever.

Karen

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>
> Who's het up? You just happen to have picked a topic
> I've been
> thinking a lot about lately. And in any case, you
> answer your own
> question:
>
> > Mind you, it's still not art of any sort to me.
>
>{ Your narrowmindedness pretty much says it all.}
>
> > So let's not beat a dead nag.
>
> I'm afraid that to me, you are the dead nag. But,
> whatever.
>
> Karen

The charm you exude is palpable.

I'm folding my tents, and going to read T. Roosevelt.

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At 07:57 PM 7/10/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
>We're waiting, Betty.

For what?

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At 4:38 PM -0700 7/10/03, boy wrote:
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20:17 10.07.2003 -0400 skrev Alan Wild:
>Hi Mac,
>
>I'm just telling you what I've heard about the scholarships he awards.  He's
>my brother's father in-law, and having won notoriety as a maritime artist of
>international merit, he now runs a foundation which awards promising
>students.  From what his daughter (my brother's wife) tells me, he doesn't
>consider throwing paint at a canvas, art, and I suspect that he would dis' a
>lot of "abstract" art as well.
>
>In terms of portraying sex.. well...  Tell me why Hugh Hef' isn't renown for
>his art, and I think you'll answer your own question.

So what else is on your list of things that can't be portrayed if a picture is supposed to be art?

Espen

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15:16 10.07.2003 -1000 skrev Michael E. Macmillan:

>Maybe there's as much nuance and suggestive power in an image of a
>guy and his doll sitting in front of a television set as there is
>in a painting of a handful of individuals sitting around a diner in
>the middle of the night.

And this reminds me of a painting which was refused in the Paris Salon in 1863:

http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/manet/dejeuner/

>Hell, Alan, I think even your Bar Harbor snapshots are art.

I can't comment on that since I don't have access to the ftp-archive.

Espen

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Espen Ore" <Espen.Ore@NB.NO>
> So what else is on your list of things that can't be portrayed if a
picture is supposed to be art?
>
> Espen

Hi Espen...  "supposed to be art"?  I think you've answered your own
question.

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(Reedited version of an earlier message - now with my own GIFs)

Saturday morning we let the Constituition day celebrators stay in the
city and celebrate and packed our bags with a tent, sleeping bags etc.,
including some extra warm cloths, mittens etc. Our transport (my cousin)
arrived and off we went. We had some trouble before we found the private
toll road (lumber road more or less) which was supposed to take us up to
about 500 meters above the sea. But we found the road - only to discover
that it was closed now since this was the season when the ground there
was thawing and so there was no driving.

We said goodbye to our driver and started to climb up along the road.
Halfway up we haf a rest:

http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/i-rest.jpg
http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/e-rest.jpg

(The elegant walking stick is a grandfather gift from my cousin's friend, and not standard hiking equipment.) After about five kilometers we were at the top. Then we headed out along
the next stretch of road - and here there was so much snow that my
cousin wouldn't have had a chance even if he had managed to cross the
road block further down. So we walked along this road for yeat another
extra five kilometres. Then (from the point where we had planned to
start) we hit some serious snow, mostly rotten. We kept on, tried to
find ways around the deepest snow, and in places I just had to
walk/crawl through and make some tracks Ingjerd could try to follow. But
the we came to a beautiful place for a cup of tea/coffee.
http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/i-rest2.jpg

The forest in the background is where the really deep snow started.

The Oslo Tourist organization makes a cabin here available for members:

http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/sinnerdam1.jpg
(And there was a small patch of snow here, too.)

This is all part of a network of waterways for lumber which were in
function with more or less success up through the 19th century and
partly into the 20th.
http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/sinnerdam2.jpg
(And you can see that the snow starts behind the small trees along the river.)

After coffe and tea we started off again. And then we had to cross over
a hill, with wild, trollish kind of firs, lots of rocks, fallen dead
trees across the trail, and in places lots of snow. It is difficult to
see the trail sometimes when accidental gaps in the forest may look just
as much like a planned trail as the real one when one can't see the
bottom and see if anyone has really walked there. In some ways this
reminded me of the part of the LOTR where they have to give up their
climb through a mountain pass. But we didn't give up. And then it was
downhill. And we came to a brook (a long time ago my boots where
completely sodden, partly filled with ice water and with some snow
thawing around my ancles), but this was no time for worrying about that.
Of all silly things to carry on a hike I had a city-kind walking stick
with a silver handle. (The reason was that my cousin's friend had found
it as a gift for me, so I attached it to my backpack and brought it
along.) This was one place where that walking stick was just what I needed to be able to
cross the brook. Then another hellish part with lots of snow. And now I
was so tired that I almost fell over at times and had problems with
getting my feet and legs up when the snow gave away and I suddenly had
it up to my crotch. But then, Oh happiness, we found a suitable place to
spend the night:

http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/camp.jpg

(You can see the ice on the lake, espevially in the background.)

The next day we knew that we would have yet another hellish part to hike
whether we returned the same way we had come or if we went on. So we
went on. And here we really had to climb and managed three kilometres (a little less than two miles) in 1 1/2
extremely tiring hours. But from the on we could select better roads:
first a small lumber road which had not been open (as a road) in the
winter but which had been part of a network of prepared cross country
skiing trails and so the snow was still pretty hard packed in most
places so we didn't sink through. And then there was sun, flowers and
even a few butterflies. And so at about 6:30 PM yesterday we saw the
first glimpses of civilisation such as a farm and a road sign:

http://home.enter.vg/nordmarka1/kjelsaas1.jpg

Espen

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Natalie Maynor" <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> I think it's car keys.  I put motel key-cards in the same side pocket of
> my purse that my car keys live in.  Did you have your Quality Inn
> card-key near car keys?  I had had the same problem in Erwin, TN (a
> dreadful little town -- I think I mentioned it to some of you at
> Acadiafest).  Then night before last in Somewhere, PA, I had the problem
> again -- key worked at first, then didn't.  So I asked the friendly desk
> person what might be causing the problem and pulled out all the contents
> of that side-pocket of my purse (even though he was jolly and not
> concerned -- he reprograms keys constantly).  He nodded yes when I held
> up my car keys and asked whether that might be the problem.  So I stored
> my car keys elsewhere and had no more motel key problems, either in
> Wherever, PA, or last night in Lexington.

hmmm... That would seem to imply a couple of things: that car keys have
magnetic fields large enough to degauss the perhaps too weak information
encoded on the entry-card.  I suppose it's possible, and I'm glad the fields
on my mastercard show considerably more strength ;-)





> Speaking of keys, I {heart} my p.o.  I keep my car key and house key on
> a separate chain from my many other keys, and when I left on this trip,
> I saw no need to take the many-other-keys chain, so I plopped that key
> chain onto my desk.  When I got home this afternoon, I didn't stop at
> the p.o. since I knew I didn't have my key.  I came home and unloaded
> Spencer and the stuff in my car and then went back to the p.o.  As I
> walked in, I realized that I didn't have my p.o. key -- that it was
> still sitting on the desk at home.  But of course the kind p.o. person
> went gave me my mail anyway.
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Yep...  We're lucky enough to have a guy named Charlie who tends the counter
at our p.o. at 02881 ... He's always kidding people, especially pretty young
students.  ;-)

Glad you had a safe trip, Natalie.  We had some fun ;-)   'Alan

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The Norway Bus Express runs some of the airport buses in Oslo including
the oine which stops near our home. But last Tuesday we were out on the
Greyhound bus version of NBE: In fact it as a joint opereation run by a
group of local bus companies from different parts of Norway. The price
for a round trip Oslo-Volda-Oslo is about the same as a cheap plain fare
Oslo-Bergen-Oslo but it was not a plane like ride. For one thing the bus
stopped in many places. For another there was an included break at a
road café where we could have lunch/dinner. The food wasn't terribly
good in either direction )going up and back), and the driver used the
food stop to get back on schedule so instead of 45 minutes we had 30-35
minutes. But it was fun, and the scenerey was great almost all the way.
There is a lot more to see when you travel by road and as a passanger
than wehn you fly or drive a car.

Volda is beautiful and at times there is sunshine there.

Here is a GIF taken back where we came from when we were on the ferry on our way to Volda:

http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/fraferge.jpg

And one towards Volda from the ferry (with a large spec of dust which I didn't notice when I was doing a quick scan):

http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/motvolda.jpg

We went to Volda to visit Ingjerd's two old spinster great-aunts, one is
90 and the other 88. They are both very (Lutheran) Christian and are
proud that there has never been a drop of alcohol inside their doors.
But they are also intelligent, funny and very much updated on news etc.
They both used to be teachers but I believe they didn't move together
until they were pendioned. The house lies in a roaf named after their
father (Ingjerd's great-grandfather) and has a beautiful garden - still.
The gardening sister hasn't been able to do anything in the garden for a
couple of years, so even if a neighbour-boy has mowed the grass there
are lots of weeds coming in. But the garden is still there, and the
flowers, and we spent quite afew hours there just reading and relaxing.
Here is a photo taken around 11 PM from my bedroom window (the night fog has started to settle):
http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/frahus.jpg

The day after we arrived we had a lovely time downtown:

http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/fergekai.jpg

The small white house lies by the ferry landing.

I will scan some more Volda- and grandchildren gifs on Monday.

Espen

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It's pouring, I mean

Kristin

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Good morning, Kristin!  We have some rain going on here as well, but I
don't think that we have reached "pouring" today.  Heavy drizzle is what
it looks like right now.

Rita L.  (in eastern Massachusetts, close to Boston)

Kristin Sarv wrote:

>It's pouring, I mean
>
>Kristin
>
>

--

Rita Leonard
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> It's pouring, I mean
>
> Kristin
>

Oooh.  I love such a day.  But then I don't have
to go out into the downpour but can watch from
my windows.  I hope it is not a problem for you,
Kristin.

                 - D. M.

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Jerry Springer may run for senate?
Will announce at later date.

And we thought it was already a zoo.

                - D. M.

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:

> So some scenes can be depicted in art but others by definition
> cannot be considered art, no matter how depicted?

"What" is not important (almost everything has been depicted in this
world), "how" is.

Kristin

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Rita Leonard wrote:

> Good morning, Kristin!  We have some rain going on here as well, but I
> don't think that we have reached "pouring" today.  Heavy drizzle is what
> it looks like right now.

Good morning, Rita. This summer just is wet here, and as the last one was
extraordinarily dry I actually didn't expect a very nice summer this year.
So, it is as it is. But I haven't gone swimming this year yet - and it's the
middle of July already! Well, some warm and sunny days are promised for us
next week. Let's see.

Kristin

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Doris Markland wrote:

> > It's pouring, I mean
> >
> > Kristin
> >
>
> Oooh.  I love such a day.  But then I don't have
> to go out into the downpour but can watch from
> my windows.  I hope it is not a problem for you,
> Kristin.

Actually it seemed worse when I was still at home looking out from the
window. When I got out at last I even decided to walk to the office, not
to take the bus. Of course, the lower part of me, at least the lower
limbs, are not quite dry at the moment, and I do not think the pants
would look very nice at knees after my having been sitting here for some
time. But, though I must say to myself now and then, 'remember, it *is*
summer, the only one you have this year!' I'm quite ok.

Kristin

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At 08:16 PM 7/10/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>  I don't know what it is that Clyde does to food,
>but I think it's magic.

Yes, but was it art or "art"?

Anyhow, thanks for the kind words.

cwv

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At 03:07 PM 7/11/2003 +0300, Kristin Sarv wrote:
>It's pouring, I mean

We are supposed to get rain today, after a couple of weeks of warm, sunny
weather (the few sprinkles that fell during the Fest 5th don't
count).  This morning it is 57F/14C; the high today is expected to be only
a few degrees above that.  Very enjoyable, although the tourists who came
unprepared might not agree.  But then, that's why we have all of those
sweatshirt and outerwear shops.

Last evening in Seattle it was still hovering around 90F/32C at 1930 their
time.  Lisa was not a happy camper (or homeowner, for that matter)

Thinking of the rather strange weather patterns, like Seattle being hot and
dry this year---MEM, do you ever experience such things out there?

cwv

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> Listen to some Grieg, Steely Dan, Dvorak, Abba,

Now, where is Tushar? :-)

It might have been before you came, Lynne, when Tushar strongly
disparaged ABBA, and I defended it saying that I used to enjoy their joy
of singing. The joy is there, and I still like it, but I do not consider
it as art, actually. Why? Difficult to say. There's nothing interesting
in their songs for me, I guess. I would be bored if I should sit at a
concert of them.

> Sibelius, Jobim.  Now, that's art.  (I can hear the
> rumbles of disagreement even as I peck away.)

Kristin

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Ann Borkin wrote:

>  Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> > Shouldn't art attract one?
>
> Many say yes, some say not necessarily.  I think art should -interest- you
> (though not everybody finds the same things interesting)

I agree to it. There's one more thing that makes a piece of work to be art:
some transfiguration, some brightening, perhaps. I do not mean that it must
make one merrier, it may make one sad as well, but the phenomenon for what I
couldn't find a better word than 'transfiguration' must be there.

Kristin

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On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Bookrat wrote:

>>Soon we'll be getting posts to WORDS-L in
>>the voices of pet cats.
>
>Would that be better or worse than posts to WORDS-L in the voices of dogs?
>How about the voices of iguanas?

Neeeeeeiiiiiiiigh!

Love,
Maria

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At 08:40 AM 7/11/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Bookrat wrote:
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> >>Soon we'll be getting posts to WORDS-L in
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>Neeeeeeiiiiiiiigh!

I think they weere talking about the voices of dogs, not potential dogfood.

cwv

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

>  This morning it is 57F/14C

So it was here soon after noon today

>  Very enjoyable, although the tourists who came
> unprepared might not agree.  But then, that's why we have all of those
> sweatshirt and outerwear shops.

Oh, yes. Two or even three thin layers of clothes on, for days already.

When I really enjoy cool days is after there's been some heat. I enjoy hot days
best, but when it becomes cool after a long hot period then it is as if
everything is calming down, me as well.

Hmm, a couple of hours ago I heard Joe Cocker's "Summer in the City" over the
radio. I like it. There's almost everything in the melody one may feel in the
summer, in the city.

Kristin

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Rita Rouvalis wrote:

>   Clyde is nicer in person.  He
> has a warm personality that doesn't come through in e-mail.

Strange to read it. I've been thinking for long that he has it. I wonder how
warm a personality I'd find that of him if I ever should ftf him.

Kristin

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Betty wrote:

> At 07:27 PM 7/10/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
> >There's nothing new about this.  We all have bodies
> >most of which are pretty dam' ugly.  Come on, look
> >around you - dying to see him nude, or her?
>
> Hey!  I resemble that.
>
> Betty

Me 3.
clo

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Terry has just been admitted to South County hospital for a day or so and an
IV of antibiotics.  She's got some kind of blood borne infection from a tick
(qv tic :)   I'll bring her a laptop... Hopefully she'll be online chatting
up a storm with y'all before dinner...

'Thought you'd wanna know...

'Alan

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On Friday, July 11, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> Walmart opened a store in Beijing yesterday.

It's the end of the world as we know it...

Karen

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET>
> Hell, Alan, I think even your Bar Harbor snapshots are art.

Who was it who put the sign on the locked museum door which read "The museum
is closed." as the exhibit itself?  Was it De Kooning?  Duchamp?

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On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Strange to read it. I've been thinking for long that he has it. I wonder how
> warm a personality I'd find that of him if I ever should ftf him.
                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Kristin!  watch it!  this is a family list!

Ann

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This appeared in a CS Monitor story on July 1, but I can't track it
down without paying. Mentioned on another list.

Karen

"In 2000, the parliament, perhaps inspired by their new gizmos, passed a
law declaring Internet access a fundamental human right of its
citizenry. A massive program is under way to expand access to the
countryside, where economic development is hampered by lack of decent
roads and other transportation links. The Internet, the government
argues, is essential for life in the 21st century.

"Some people still think of Internet access as a luxury," explains Kuut,
whose company, Vemis, works extensively in rural areas. "But 10 years
ago, most people in Estonia looked at hot, running water as a luxury,
and nobody would think that today.""

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Lynne Weber writes,

>Shouldn't art attract one?

I think this is a particularly bizarre requirement because some artistic
pieces will attract some and repel others, and it seems odd that the piece
would be art for the some but not for the others.

I think art is that which is affective and creates an emotional
communication from the artist to the viewer.  Pretty, attractive things are
not necessarily art.  Ugly, repulsive things are not necessarily *not* art.

Here is another take on it: <http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_art>.

Pete

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >>
> >> > Shouldn't art attract one?
> >>
> >> Many say yes, some say not necessarily.  I think art should -interest- you
> >> (though not everybody finds the same things interesting)
>
> > I agree to it. There's one more thing that makes a piece of work to be art:
> > some transfiguration, some brightening, perhaps. I do not mean that it must
> > make one merrier, it may make one sad as well, but the phenomenon for what I
> > couldn't find a better word than 'transfiguration' must be there.
>
> I think that the photographs Borkin cited do have this quality.

Maybe. Perhaps. Aamf, I am disturbed by the one by with a squatting woman from
behind. Its close similarity to porn doesn't quite let me watch it, I do not know,
neutrally, innocently (no, these are not the words, no innocence or neutrality are
needed). I'll go back to the photo later on and try to understand why it should
fit among the others.

Kristin

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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:49:56 -0500
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This cracked me up. (Found on another list.)

Karen

"SCIENCE FOR CHILDREN CONDONES BESTIALITY

TORONTO - Best-selling children's book author Mathew Fountaine is a man who
can't believe his good fortune. Known for his creative and entertaining
adventure series set in the idyllic woodland world of Cowlick Cove,
Fountaine's gift for storytelling is hardly confined to fiction. Recently,
Toronto Children's Press published his newest contribution to the Canadian
Kids Library of Science series under the title "Talking To Animals." Amidst
a circus of enraged parents and embarrassed editors, Mathew Fountaine's good
fortune may have come to an end.

"It was not our opinion that any reader could mistake the intent of
Fountaine's message," said Toronto Children's Press spokesperson, Phillip
Paniks. "Fountaine's book is for children between the ages of 8 and 12, not
for teenagers, and certainly not for adults."

The infamous line from the book appears in the introduction.

"Animals can't talk," says Fountaine's wizened grandfather-figure Old Farmer
Brayman, "But they can have healthy intercourse with you!"

Toronto Children's Press has no plans to withdraw the book from the shelves,
despite cancellations from a number of booksellers, libraries, and schools.

"We do not anticipate limiting the distribution of Fountaine's book based on
a gutterminded reading of an otherwise solid piece of science writing for
children," Phillip Paniks said. On a lighter note, Paniks suggested that the
publisher hire Fountaine for a new series of children's literature.
"Considering the attention one sentence is claiming from the public right
now, releasing a Canadian Kids Comic Library might be Fountaine's next
calling."

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Karen Kay wrote:

> "In 2000, the parliament, perhaps inspired by their new gizmos, passed a
> law declaring Internet access a fundamental human right of its
> citizenry.

Hmm. I wonder whether anybody has ever formulated having a telephone should
be a human right?

> A massive program is under way to expand access to the
> countryside, where economic development is hampered by lack of decent
> roads and other transportation links.

Well, they've done much, yes. This is still the human-right-phrase that
perplexes me a bit. Isn't that an exaggeration?

>  "But 10 years
> ago, most people in Estonia looked at hot, running water as a luxury,

Bullshit. It was more difficult to find an electric boiler in a shop, and
they cost much, and, well, I have, too, when living in Elva, had to bring
water from the well in the garden, when the pump was out of order in winter,
but to seriously think running hot water were a luxury for few -- no.
Rather, the quality of the water in that well was, in a way, luxurious.

Kristin

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: English Language Discussion Group
> >[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
> >Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 3:14 PM
> >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >Subject: Re: Truly Gifted Headline Writer
> >
> >
> >On Thursday, July 03, 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> >> Mystery guest are not steph or Richard. Who might it be? It
> >is hint time.
> >
> >So, Alec, were you at all surprised that it was me?
> >
> >Karen
> >
>
> I was very surprised. Paul and Carolyn did not surprise me.
>
> alec

... which is interesting, because I only decided for sure to go
abt 12 hours before we left!
clo

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Alan Wild wrote:

> Terry has just been admitted to South County hospital for a day or so and an
> IV of antibiotics.  She's got some kind of blood borne infection from a tick
> (qv tic :)   I'll bring her a laptop... Hopefully she'll be online chatting
> up a storm with y'all before dinner...
>
> 'Thought you'd wanna know...
>
> 'Alan

Wow. That is really a drag. This means you will be tag-team
parenting on a really long shift, huh? Not fun for her, the kids
or you. (Not that you're not fun, let me hasten to add; but I
know everyone will be anxious). Do you know where she
picked up the tick?

clo

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On Friday, July 11, 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> Well, they've done much, yes. This is still the human-right-phrase that
> perplexes me a bit. Isn't that an exaggeration?

Not to the people involved, it seems.

Karen

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> > So what else is on your list of things that can't be portrayed if a
> picture is supposed to be art?
> >
> > Espen
>
> Hi Espen...  "supposed to be art"?  I think you've answered your own
> question.

If I make it...and I say it's "art"...then it's art. But, whether or not
it's good art or if it stinks or doesn't succeed as art, that is up to
others.  If they don't want to think of it as art, so be it. Art is in the
eye of the creator.

Sandra

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Alan Wild wrote:

> Terry has just been admitted to South County hospital for a day or so and an
> IV of antibiotics.

:-(

> Hopefully she'll be online chatting
> up a storm with y'all before dinner...

At least she doesn't *feel* too bad, then.

Kristin

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Espen Ore wrote:

> We said goodbye to our driver and started to climb up along the road.
> Halfway up we haf a rest:
>
> http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/i-rest.jpg
> http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/e-rest.jpg

I can smell it when looking at the pictures: coniferous forest and coffee

> http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/sinnerdam1.jpg
> (And there was a small patch of snow here, too.)

And now I smell snow, too. Though, it is difficult for me to unite the smells of coniferous trees and snow in summer.

> http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/sinnerdam2.jpg
> (And you can see that the snow starts behind the small trees along the river.)
>
> a hill, with wild, trollish kind of firs,

Old firs *are* trollish, aren't they. There's something more ancient in them as a species than other trees have.

Great story, well illustrated, thanks

Kristin

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>
> > http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/i-rest.jpg
> > http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/e-rest.jpg
>
> I can smell it when looking at the pictures: coniferous forest and coffee

Oh yeah...wonderful photos... I'm gearing up for a camping trip in OR in a
month. This really put me in the mood :) Thanks!

Sandra

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Exporting the American way:

"The lives of American and European tech workers are not the only ones
harmed by those outsourced tech jobs. The late hours are straining the
health and relationships of young Indian workers. Manu Joseph reports from
Mumbai."

<http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,59477,00.html>

Pete

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> >
> > > Strange to read it. I've been thinking for long that he has it. I wonder how
> > > warm a personality I'd find that of him if I ever should ftf him.
> >                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> > Kristin!  watch it!  this is a family list!
>
> 8-o. I was only humbly, very humbly, speaking of meeting him face-to face (not
> cheek-to-cheek), with as many faces of other wordslers around as possible. Never
> mind, wishful thinking...
>
> Kristin

Well, <IF> Rashmi goes to Belgium, I'm all for the Oracle
hosting FlandersFest 04, so we can all meet ftf in Europe!
clo

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On Friday, July 11, 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> Ann Borkin wrote:

>>  Lynne Weber wrote:
>>
>> > Shouldn't art attract one?
>>
>> Many say yes, some say not necessarily.  I think art should -interest- you
>> (though not everybody finds the same things interesting)

> I agree to it. There's one more thing that makes a piece of work to be art:
> some transfiguration, some brightening, perhaps. I do not mean that it must
> make one merrier, it may make one sad as well, but the phenomenon for what I
> couldn't find a better word than 'transfiguration' must be there.

I think that the photographs Borkin cited do have this quality.

Karen

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On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> Maybe. Perhaps. Aamf, I am disturbed by the one by with a squatting woman from
> behind. Its close similarity to porn doesn't quite let me watch it, I do not know,
> neutrally, innocently (no, these are not the words, no innocence or neutrality are
> needed). I'll go back to the photo later on and try to understand why it should
> fit among the others.

I don't know if it makes any difference to anybody but me, but I was
always talking about the pictures by Elena Dorfman.  These are the ones
with the sex dolls, made to be as lifelike as possible (I mean the dolls
are so made by the manufacturer) and customized to a high degree so that
the purchaser gets the doll of his dreams, or close to it/her.

I thought it was particularly sweet that the doll in the photo 'Alan
mentioned as 'touching' was such a lady doll.  Most of the others were
kinda tartish.

Ann

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At 07:42 AM 7/11/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
>Jerry Springer may run for senate?
>Will announce at later date.

Could be a fun pirmary in Ohio---he already has both Demos and Repubs upset
at the notion.

cwv
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>
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Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> > Strange to read it. I've been thinking for long that he has it. I wonder how
> > warm a personality I'd find that of him if I ever should ftf him.
>                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Kristin!  watch it!  this is a family list!

8-o. I was only humbly, very humbly, speaking of meeting him face-to face (not
cheek-to-cheek), with as many faces of other wordslers around as possible. Never
mind, wishful thinking...

Kristin

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> I don't know if it makes any difference to anybody but me, but I was
> always talking about the pictures by Elena Dorfman.  These are the ones
> with the sex dolls, made to be as lifelike as possible

I like her "Ginger Brook 3", too. That, I thought, was a real person. But I'm not sure.
Again: the composition, shadows, colours. It arouses some interest.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> > > Maybe. Perhaps. Aamf, I am disturbed by the one by with a squatting woman
>
>                                          ^^^^^^
>
> By David Levinthal, I wanted to say.

And still the marks  ^^^^^^ got into a wrong place, although I fixed the width.

Kr.

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> > Is this something she picked up in BH?
> >
> > Sandra
>
> Nah, Can't be - What happens in BH stays in BH.

LOL

Kr.

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On Friday, July 11, 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Exporting the American way:

> "The lives of American and European tech workers are not the only ones
> harmed by those outsourced tech jobs. The late hours are straining the
> health and relationships of young Indian workers. Manu Joseph reports from
> Mumbai."

> <http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,59477,00.html>

I thought the whole point of exporting these jobs to India was to have
24 hr coverage, that 12 hours would be here and 12 hours would be
there, and it was all perfect, because of the time difference.

Karen

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Alan Wild
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>Terry has just been admitted to South County hospital for a
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>'Thought you'd wanna know...
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>'Alan
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I hope all is well.


alec

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Karen Kay writes,

>I thought the whole point of exporting these jobs to India was to have
>24 hr coverage, that 12 hours would be here and 12 hours would be
>there, and it was all perfect, because of the time difference.

Once the bean counters got into it, the whole point became reduction of
staffing costs.

Pete

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On Friday, July 11, 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Karen Kay writes,
>>I thought the whole point of exporting these jobs to India was to have
>>24 hr coverage, that 12 hours would be here and 12 hours would be
>>there, and it was all perfect, because of the time difference.

> Once the bean counters got into it, the whole point became reduction of
> staffing costs.

Yeah, I figured that out.

Jeeze.

Karen

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At 02:59 PM 7/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>On Monday, July 07, 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
> > Well, I've been told, once, twice, maybe even 10 times, that I look like I
> > could hurt someone.
>
>I believe this. While Tina would merely ridicule them to death.:)
>
>Karen

Do I really look like I could hurt someone. More importantly do I look like
I *would*?

Tina might throw a remark at someone but she loses interest quickly and is
more likely to dismiss a person than spend time ridiculing him/her.

lisa

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I just uploaded a ton of pictures to fotopic.net, but they seem to be
nowhere to be found now.  The assigned address was
http://nataliemaynor6762.fotopic.net, but I changed it to
http://maynor.fotopic.net.  The pictures aren't findable either place.
<sigh>.  Gotta rush now.  Will explore it this afternoon.  If I can't
find them, I'll just put them all on my own pages, which is what I
started to do in the first place.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Friday, July 11, 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > I agree to it. There's one more thing that makes a piece of work to be art:
>> > some transfiguration, some brightening, perhaps. I do not mean that it must
>> > make one merrier, it may make one sad as well, but the phenomenon for what I
>> > couldn't find a better word than 'transfiguration' must be there.
>>
>> I think that the photographs Borkin cited do have this quality.

> Maybe. Perhaps. Aamf, I am disturbed by the one by with a squatting woman from
> behind. Its close similarity to porn doesn't quite let me watch it, I do not know,
> neutrally, innocently (no, these are not the words, no innocence or neutrality are
> needed). I'll go back to the photo later on and try to understand why it should
> fit among the others.

I don't remember that photograph, and really, I meant this as a
general statement; there may be photographs that do not have a
transfiguration.

Karen

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> cwv
> Walmart opened a store in Beijing yesterday.

Then their goods are making a full circle.

Sandra

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> Terry has just been admitted to South County hospital for a day
> or so and an
> IV of antibiotics.  She's got some kind of blood borne infection
> from a tick
> (qv tic :)   I'll bring her a laptop... Hopefully she'll be
> online chatting
> up a storm with y'all before dinner...
>
> 'Thought you'd wanna know...
>
> 'Alan

Is this something she picked up in BH?

Sandra

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Karen Kay writes,

>This appeared in a CS Monitor story on July 1, but I can't track it
>down without paying. Mentioned on another list.

<http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0701/p07s01-woeu.html>

Pete

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sandra wrote:

> > Terry has just been admitted to South County hospital for a day
> > or so and an
> > IV of antibiotics.  She's got some kind of blood borne infection
> > from a tick
> > (qv tic :)   I'll bring her a laptop... Hopefully she'll be
> > online chatting
> > up a storm with y'all before dinner...
> >
> > 'Thought you'd wanna know...
> >
> > 'Alan
>
> Is this something she picked up in BH?
>
> Sandra

Nah, Can't be - What happens in BH stays in BH.
clo

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On Friday, July 11, 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Karen Kay writes,

>>This appeared in a CS Monitor story on July 1, but I can't track it
>>down without paying. Mentioned on another list.

> <http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0701/p07s01-woeu.html>

Thank you!

Karen

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> > Maybe. Perhaps. Aamf, I am disturbed by the one by with a squatting woman

                                         ^^^^^^

By David Levinthal, I wanted to say.

Kristin

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> Jerry Springer may run for senate?
> Will announce at later date.
>
> And we thought it was already a zoo.
>
>                 - D. M.

I think he will get the Animal House vote.

Sandra

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I discovered that I had to confirm my existence before my pictures would
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On Friday, July 11, 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
> At 02:59 PM 7/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>On Monday, July 07, 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
>> > Well, I've been told, once, twice, maybe even 10 times, that I look like I
>> > could hurt someone.
>>
>>I believe this. While Tina would merely ridicule them to death.:)
>>
>>Karen

> Do I really look like I could hurt someone. More importantly do I look like
> I *would*?

You look like you could, not like you would. Sorry not to have made
that distinction.

> Tina might throw a remark at someone but she loses interest quickly and is
> more likely to dismiss a person than spend time ridiculing him/her.

Good for her! Very few people one would ridicule are worth the time
spent.

Karen

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> Terry has just been admitted to South County hospital for a day or so
and an
> IV of antibiotics.  She's got some kind of blood borne infection from
a tick
> (qv tic :)   I'll bring her a laptop... Hopefully she'll be online
chatting
> up a storm with y'all before dinner...
>
> 'Thought you'd wanna know...
>
> 'Alan

Good heavens.  I'm sorry to hear that.
Hope they clear it up soon.

          - D. M.

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At 05:58 PM 7/11/2003 +0300, Kristin Sarv wrote:

>... still the human-right-phrase that
>perplexes me a bit. Isn't that an exaggeration?

I can't speak to the "fundamental human right" notion, because I believe it
to be fraudulent in any application.  However, it does seem to be a
fundamental human practice to express one's agenda (or if a politician,
what one hopes will be popular) as a "fundamental human right."

>Bullshit. It was more difficult to find an electric boiler in a shop, and
>they cost much, and, well, I have, too, when living in Elva, had to bring
>water from the well in the garden, when the pump was out of order in winter,
>but to seriously think running hot water were a luxury for few -- no.
>Rather, the quality of the water in that well was, in a way, luxurious.

Well (no pun intended) put.

cwv

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On Friday, July 11, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> At 09:19 AM 7/11/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>On Friday, July 11, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>> > Walmart opened a store in Beijing yesterday.
>>
>>It's the end of the world as we know it...

> What surprised me is that this store is the 23rd such opened by Walmart in
> China, just the first in the capital city.  When do you suppose the first
> Baghdad Walmart will open?

Less than six months.

Karen

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At 08:06 AM 7/11/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
> > cwv
> > Walmart opened a store in Beijing yesterday.
>
>Then their goods are making a full circle.

I got to wondering if maybe the stuff marketed there is made by American
convicts...

cwv

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On Friday, July 11, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Ok, I just squirted them quickly onto the server.  No time to make an
> index page right now, but here's the raw listing:

> http://maynor.net/Acadiafest/

P.S. Clyde has my vote for Nicest Wordsler Legs.

Karen

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> It might have been before you came, Lynne, when
> Tushar strongly
> disparaged ABBA, and I defended it saying that I
> used to enjoy their joy
> of singing. The joy is there, and I still like it,
> but I do not consider
> it as art, actually. >
> Kristin

Yes, I believe that was before I came, and I must
agree with you, they are not artists in the classical
meaning: nor is Dan.  But I enjoy them.

The classical composers, imo, are artists.  And I
would also include Gershwin, Porter, Copland, among
several others.  But I'm not putting  a single toe on
that slippery slope again.  If you don't agree with
me, don't let me know.  If you do agree with me, don't
let me know.

I am aloofly passing along to less incendiary matters.

Can anyone think of one?


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At 11:10 AM 7/11/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Ok, I just squirted them quickly onto the server.  No time to make an
>index page right now, but here's the raw listing:
>
>http://maynor.net/Acadiafest/

well done.

cwv

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On Friday, July 11, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> At 11:10 AM 7/11/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>Ok, I just squirted them quickly onto the server.  No time to make an
>>index page right now, but here's the raw listing:
>>
>>http://maynor.net/Acadiafest/

> well done.

What is Natalie trying to do to you in that one picture of the two of
you?

I just realized I need to go back and look more carefully at the
fest pictures. I took a quick runthrough with Paul when he was
working, but haven't looked since.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Ok, I just squirted them quickly onto the server.  No time to make an
> index page right now, but here's the raw listing:
>
> http://maynor.net/Acadiafest/

        You saw some really beautiful places on your trip.  And some very <interesting>
people.  Your camera takes strangely-shaped pictures, too.  Thank you for
sharing these!

--
Take care,
Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>
who never goes anywhere interesting

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At 09:19 AM 7/11/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Friday, July 11, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> > Walmart opened a store in Beijing yesterday.
>
>It's the end of the world as we know it...

What surprised me is that this store is the 23rd such opened by Walmart in
China, just the first in the capital city.  When do you suppose the first
Baghdad Walmart will open?

cwv

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Ok, I just squirted them quickly onto the server.  No time to make an
index page right now, but here's the raw listing:

http://maynor.net/Acadiafest/

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Friday, July 11, 2003, Tom Lee wrote:
>         You saw some really beautiful places on your trip.  And some very <interesting>
> people.  Your camera takes strangely-shaped pictures, too.  Thank you for
> sharing these!

> --
> Take care,
> Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>
> who never goes anywhere interesting

But do you meet interesting or strangely-shaped people?!

Karen

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At 11:48 AM 7/11/2003 -0400, lisa alfieri wrote:

>Do I really look like I could hurt someone. More importantly do I look like
>I *would*?

It's nice to put fear in some people.


>Tina might throw a remark at someone but she loses interest quickly and is
>more likely to dismiss a person than spend time ridiculing him/her.

Yeah, life is too short.

B

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At 09:19 AM 7/11/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Friday, July 11, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> > Walmart opened a store in Beijing yesterday.
>
>It's the end of the world as we know it...
>
>Karen

It's The End Of The World As We Know It (And I Feel Fine)

(Lyrics source: One of Stipe's concert lyric sheets)

That's great, it starts with an earthquake, birds and snakes, an aeroplane -
Lenny Bruce is not afraid. Eye of a hurricane, listen to yourself churn -
world serves its own needs, don't misserve your own needs. Feed it up a knock,
speed, grunt no, strength no. Ladder structure clatter with fear of height,
down height. Wire in a fire, represent the seven games in a government for
hire and a combat site. Left her, wasn't coming in a hurry with the furies
breathing down your neck. Team by team reporters baffled, trump, tethered
crop. Look at that low plane! Fine then. Uh oh, overflow, population,
common group, but it'll do. Save yourself, serve yourself. World serves its
own needs, listen to your heart bleed. Tell me with the rapture and the
reverent in the right - right. You vitriolic, patriotic, slam, fight, bright
light, feeling pretty psyched.

It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.

Six o'clock - TV hour. Don't get caught in foreign tower. Slash and burn,
return, listen to yourself churn. Lock him in uniform and book burning,
blood letting. Every motive escalate. Automotive incinerate. Light a candle,
light a motive. Step down, step down. Watch a heel crush, crush. Uh oh,
this means no fear - cavalier. Renegade and steer clear! A tournament,
a tournament, a tournament of lies. Offer me solutions, offer me alternatives
and I decline.

It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.

The other night I tripped a nice continental drift divide. Mountains sit in
a line.
Leonard Bernstein. Leonid Breshnev, Lenny Bruce and Lester Bangs.
Birthday party, cheesecake, jelly bean, boom! You symbiotic, patriotic,
slam, but neck, right? Right.

It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine...fine...

(It's time I had some time alone)

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On 11 Jul 2003 at 16:05, Kristin Sarv wrote:

> It might have been before you came, Lynne, when Tushar strongly
> disparaged ABBA, . . .

Yes, Tushar would definitely be asking for Karl Jenkins.

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At 10:29 AM 7/11/2003 +0200, you wrote:

>And this reminds me of a painting which was refused in the Paris Salon in
>1863:
>
>http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/manet/dejeuner/

Of course it was refused, it's freakin porn, man. This is the sorta stuff
Hef would have put out if he were around at the time.

Wait, how old is that walking embalment anyway? This could be an example of
his early work.



> >Hell, Alan, I think even your Bar Harbor snapshots are art.
>I can't comment on that since I don't have access to the ftp-archive.

Do I detect whining?


>Espen

lisa

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> At 10:29 AM 7/11/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>
> >And this reminds me of a painting which was refused in the Paris Salon in
> >1863:
> >
> >http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/manet/dejeuner/
>
> Of course it was refused, it's freakin porn, man. This is the sorta stuff
> Hef would have put out if he were around at the time.
>
> Wait, how old is that walking embalment anyway? This could be an example of
> his early work.
>
> > >Hell, Alan, I think even your Bar Harbor snapshots are art.
> >I can't comment on that since I don't have access to the ftp-archive.
>
> Do I detect whining?
>
> >Espen
>
> lisa

Espen, what web browser are you using? I couldn't load them
either, until I broke down and opened a Microsoft product.
Presumably a newer Netscape than ours here at the university
might also handle it....

clo

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It's three hours later and I can tell you we've definitely reaching the
pouring portion of our day.

The good news is, it's cooled things down a bit here. The better news is
it's supposed to clear up by tomorrow.  This is particularly appreciated
because my vacation starts at 4 pm today (the time I figure I'll screw out
of here and head to the mall for some birthday shopping for Tina).

lisa

At 08:13 AM 7/11/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Good morning, Kristin!  We have some rain going on here as well, but I
>don't think that we have reached "pouring" today.  Heavy drizzle is what
>it looks like right now.
>
>Rita L.  (in eastern Massachusetts, close to Boston)
>
>Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
>>It's pouring, I mean
>>
>>Kristin
>>
>
>--
>
>Rita Leonard
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>O'Neill Library 544
>Phone:  617-552-3403
>Email: rita.leonard@bc.edu
>
>"Whether you believe you can do a thing
>or not, you are right."  Henry Ford

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> because my vacation starts at 4 pm today

Some time ago I went into another room here in the office and saw a text in
big red letters scrolling jubilantly on the computer screen of a coworker:
"I'm on vacation! Yeessss!" Amusing, and demoralizing.

Kristin

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Ostrander" <clostran@SYR.EDU>
> Wow. That is really a drag. This means you will be tag-team
> parenting on a really long shift, huh? Not fun for her, the kids
> or you. (Not that you're not fun, let me hasten to add; but I
> know everyone will be anxious). Do you know where she
> picked up the tick?
>
> clo

Hej Clo...  I took today out of work, which isn't good because it was the
last day before my vacation next week and the week after, and I wanted to
dot some i's and cross some t's, ya know?

I don't know where she caught the tick, or if she's even rid of it yet.  I
haven't talked to her since early this AM when she told me she's going 2B
admitted.  She sounded very lethargic, not well.  The kids and I have been
trying to maintain their schedule at swim class (they had their testing
today), feeding the little Edward and keeping him fresh, and picking up
Ter's books and what-not at work, to bring to her at the hospital (qv.
laptop) with a flower or two.

'More later... 'Alan

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Ok, I just squirted them quickly onto the server.  No time to make an
> index page right now, but here's the raw listing:
>
> http://maynor.net/Acadiafest/

Cool.

At the first sight sphome.jpg looks as if you've photographed him on his
leap, from beneath.

Kristin

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At 10:17 AM 7/11/2003 -0400, Alan Wild wrote:
>Terry has just been admitted to South County hospital for a day or so and an
>IV of antibiotics.  She's got some kind of blood borne infection from a tick
>(qv tic :)   I'll bring her a laptop... Hopefully she'll be online chatting
>up a storm with y'all before dinner...
>
>'Thought you'd wanna know...

Oh, Alan, I'm so sorry! We'll be anxious to hear from her. Are you home
with the kids?

Betty

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'Nice pics, Natalie...  'Loved the lake shots...

'Alan

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> Ok, I just squirted them quickly onto the server.  No time to make an
> index page right now, but here's the raw listing:
>
> http://maynor.net/Acadiafest/
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 10:52 AM 7/11/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>I just uploaded a ton of pictures to fotopic.net, but they seem to be
>nowhere to be found now.  The assigned address was
>http://nataliemaynor6762.fotopic.net, but I changed it to
>http://maynor.fotopic.net.

The second address worked!  Thanks, Natalie.

Betty

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I just got back to the computer and found that my fotopic site is now
working properly:

http://maynor.fotopic.net

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> "I'm on vacation! Yeessss!" Amusing, and
> demoralizing.
>
> Kristin

What and when re: YOUR vacation?


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Karen Kay wrote:

> But do you meet interesting or strangely-shaped people?!

        Yes, and without going anywhere either.

--
Take care,
Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>
who has an <interesting> life

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At 12:03 PM 7/11/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>At 09:19 AM 7/11/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>On Friday, July 11, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>> > Walmart opened a store in Beijing yesterday.
>>
>>It's the end of the world as we know it...
>
>What surprised me is that this store is the 23rd such opened by Walmart in
>China, just the first in the capital city.  When do you suppose the first
>Baghdad Walmart will open?
>
>cwv

Depends. Do you think the construction will start during our estimated four
year stay or once our troops are out of there?

lisa

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Betty Clark" <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU>
> At 10:17 AM 7/11/2003 -0400, Alan Wild wrote:
> >Terry has just been admitted to South County hospital for a day or so and
an
> >IV of antibiotics.  She's got some kind of blood borne infection from a
tick
> >(qv tic :)   I'll bring her a laptop... Hopefully she'll be online
chatting
> >up a storm with y'all before dinner...
> >
> >'Thought you'd wanna know...
>
> Oh, Alan, I'm so sorry! We'll be anxious to hear from her. Are you home
> with the kids?
>
> Betty

yep... Ed's sleeping right now, and Lillia is chomping at the bit to go to
the hospital, but I've convinced her that we are a family and each member
needs care; Mom's being cared for very well, and Ed needs his sleep or we're
all gonna pay; we'll go as soon as he wakes naturally.

I hope she understands.

I mean, we have to get Ter in shape for her vacation!  ;-)

'Thanks Betty... Alan

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Be sure to look at the picture labeled "Porch Partying With the Wilds."
I think it's a great picture of Alan and Teri, if I do say so myself and
I do.  Some of the rest of the pictures show a decided lack of
photographic skills.  I should've been selective, putting only the good
ones online, but naturally I just dumped them all there.

Btw, Adam, the rock I sat on to call you from Belfast is visible in the
Belfast picture.  It's a much larger rock than it appears in the
picture.  I sure loved that place -- I could've sat on that balcony for
weeks.

Now that I know fotopic works, I guess I'll go on and delete the ones
I've got at maynor.net.  I thought about leaving them and organizing
them since I don't like the fact that fotopic presents them
alphabetically by filename.  I should've named them appropriately to
make alphabetical=chronological.  I do like that fotopic does the
thumbnails automatically.  That's the main reason I decided to use it --
saved me the time of doing all that myself.  Still, though, it was
supposed to start with Spencer pre-departure and move chronologically,
ending with Spencer at home at end of trip.  Instead, it's a
hodge-podge.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Alan Wild wrote:

> yep... Ed's sleeping right now, and Lillia is chomping at the bit to go to
> the hospital, but I've convinced her that we are a family and each member
> needs care; Mom's being cared for very well, and Ed needs his sleep or we're
> all gonna pay; we'll go as soon as he wakes naturally.
>
> I hope she understands.

I'm sure she does - Lillia struck me as a quick learner (and
you can tell her I said so!) Besides, she has had lots of experience
with Ed by now.

Good for you, Dad, not to lose sight of everybody's needs,
though I am sure you are anxious for Terry.

clo

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> > "I'm on vacation! Yeessss!" Amusing, and
> > demoralizing.
> >
> > Kristin
>
> What and when re: YOUR vacation?

Because of this year work schedule I decided to take it in two parts.
The first two weeks of it just came to their end, and the other two
weeks I'll take at the end of September-beginning of October, I guess.
No special plans for these weeks either. Just to have a feeling of
freedom.

Kristin

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Did I miss anybody?

Bonnie:
http://community.webshots.com/album/79515926MHrbZe

Adam:
http://adamhartfield1937.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=32360

Betty:
http://betty9901.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=32392

Natalie:
http://maynor.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=33541

Pete

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Mmmmm.. Thank you for the idea.. I think I will leave as my screen saver!

lisa

At 08:58 PM 7/11/2003 +0300, Kristin Sarv wrote:
>lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> > because my vacation starts at 4 pm today
>
>Some time ago I went into another room here in the office and saw a text in
>big red letters scrolling jubilantly on the computer screen of a coworker:
>"I'm on vacation! Yeessss!" Amusing, and demoralizing.
>
>Kristin

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How about these?

ftp://wordslur:FullM00n@ftp.mis.uri.edu/acadiafest

'Alan


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> Did I miss anybody?
>
> Bonnie:
> http://community.webshots.com/album/79515926MHrbZe
>
> Adam:
> http://adamhartfield1937.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=32360
>
> Betty:
> http://betty9901.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=32392
>
> Natalie:
> http://maynor.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=33541
>
> Pete

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: English Language Discussion Group
> >[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Carolyn Ostrander
> >Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 4:29 PM
> >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >Subject: Re: Collected Acadiafest Photo Links
> >
> >
> >Peter Kaminski wrote:
> >
> >> Did I miss anybody?
> >>
> >> Bonnie:
> >> http://community.webshots.com/album/79515926MHrbZe
> >>
> >> Adam:
> >> http://adamhartfield1937.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=32360
> >>
> >> Betty:
> >> http://betty9901.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=32392
> >>
> >> Natalie:
> >> http://maynor.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=33541
> >>
> >> Pete
> >
> >I still can't see Bonnie's photos, which are blocked at the university
> >"due to possible hostile content". Are they monitoring Words-L
> >for netiquette?    ; )
> >
>
> I bet it is blocked because it is webshots. Many places don't want the
> webshots software loaded on their machines.
>
> alec

I bet so too.
clo

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Did I miss anybody?
>
> Bonnie:
> http://community.webshots.com/album/79515926MHrbZe
>
> Adam:
> http://adamhartfield1937.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=32360
>
> Betty:
> http://betty9901.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=32392
>
> Natalie:
> http://maynor.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=33541
>
> Pete

I still can't see Bonnie's photos, which are blocked at the university
"due to possible hostile content". Are they monitoring Words-L
for netiquette?    ; )

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Carolyn Ostrander
>Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 4:29 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Collected Acadiafest Photo Links
>
>
>Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
>> Did I miss anybody?
>>
>> Bonnie:
>> http://community.webshots.com/album/79515926MHrbZe
>>
>> Adam:
>> http://adamhartfield1937.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=32360
>>
>> Betty:
>> http://betty9901.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=32392
>>
>> Natalie:
>> http://maynor.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=33541
>>
>> Pete
>
>I still can't see Bonnie's photos, which are blocked at the university
>"due to possible hostile content". Are they monitoring Words-L
>for netiquette?    ; )
>

I bet it is blocked because it is webshots. Many places don't want the
webshots software loaded on their machines.


alec

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> Be sure to look at the picture labeled "Porch Partying With the
Wilds."
> I think it's a great picture of Alan and Teri, if I do say so myself
and
> I do.  Some of the rest of the pictures show a decided lack of
> photographic skills.  I should've been selective, putting only the
good
> ones online, but naturally I just dumped them all there.
>>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I thought they were good pictures and
I enjoyed seeing them.

         - D. M.

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>ftp://wordslur:FullM00n@ftp.mis.uri.edu/acadiafest

Thanks, Alan -- silly me, I was searching messages for "http:", and
wondered why I couldn't find yours!

Pete

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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All day I've been disrobing the male junior and summer associates.

Ann

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In a message dated 7/11/2003 9:18:07 AM Central Daylight Time, awild@URI.EDU
writes:
<<
Terry has just been admitted to South County hospital for a day or so and an
IV of antibiotics.
>>

Sending hugs to Terry!

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:55:34 -0500
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On Friday, July 11, 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
> At 09:19 AM 7/11/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>On Friday, July 11, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>> > Walmart opened a store in Beijing yesterday.
>>
>>It's the end of the world as we know it...
>>
>>Karen

> It's The End Of The World As We Know It (And I Feel Fine)

> (Lyrics source: One of Stipe's concert lyric sheets)

> That's great, it starts with an earthquake, birds and snakes, an aeroplane -
> Lenny Bruce is not afraid. Eye of a hurricane, listen to yourself churn -
> world serves its own needs, don't misserve your own needs. Feed it up a knock,
> speed, grunt no, strength no. Ladder structure clatter with fear of height,
> down height. Wire in a fire, represent the seven games in a government for
> hire and a combat site. Left her, wasn't coming in a hurry with the furies
> breathing down your neck. Team by team reporters baffled, trump, tethered
> crop. Look at that low plane! Fine then. Uh oh, overflow, population,
> common group, but it'll do. Save yourself, serve yourself. World serves its
> own needs, listen to your heart bleed. Tell me with the rapture and the
> reverent in the right - right. You vitriolic, patriotic, slam, fight, bright
> light, feeling pretty psyched.

> It's the end of the world as we know it.
> It's the end of the world as we know it.
> It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.

> Six o'clock - TV hour. Don't get caught in foreign tower. Slash and burn,
> return, listen to yourself churn. Lock him in uniform and book burning,
> blood letting. Every motive escalate. Automotive incinerate. Light a candle,
> light a motive. Step down, step down. Watch a heel crush, crush. Uh oh,
> this means no fear - cavalier. Renegade and steer clear! A tournament,
> a tournament, a tournament of lies. Offer me solutions, offer me alternatives
> and I decline.

> It's the end of the world as we know it.
> It's the end of the world as we know it.
> It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.

> The other night I tripped a nice continental drift divide. Mountains sit in
> a line.
> Leonard Bernstein. Leonid Breshnev, Lenny Bruce and Lester Bangs.
> Birthday party, cheesecake, jelly bean, boom! You symbiotic, patriotic,
> slam, but neck, right? Right.

> It's the end of the world as we know it.
> It's the end of the world as we know it.
> It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine...fine...

> (It's time I had some time alone)

I like the Great Big Sea version.

Lisa, this may mean we're evil twins!!!!

Karen

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> All day I've been disrobing the male junior and summer associates.
>
> Ann

Perv.

Sandra

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On Friday, July 11, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> All day I've been disrobing the male junior and summer associates.

LOL. Was it fun?:)

Karen

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On Friday, July 11, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>> LOL. Was it fun?:)

> It was kind of educational.  I find I am heavily influenced by
> personality, and memory rather than mystery is the name of my game.

I almost understand this.

On an entirely different subject, do you know the photography of Andy
Goldsworthy? Paul has a book that absolutely captivated me. Here's a
google search on his images:
http://images.google.com/images?q=andy+goldsworthy&ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search

I started a piece at Paul's house, but I didn't have time to finish
it.

Karen

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The El Paso Times has posted a pre-release copy of the Army investigative
report of the events leading up to the ambush of the 507th Maintenance
Company (in which Pfc. Lynch was captured):

<http://www.borderlandnews.com/stories/borderland/20030709-134263.shtml>

A couple of navigational errors and miscommunications, "[f]atigue, stress,
the asymmetric nature of the threat, and the environment contributed to the
events leading up to and during this attack.  Every Soldier performed
honorably and each did his or her duty."

Pete

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Dang.

I'm in those pictures, some of them, but I have no memory of most of
them being taken.

Is this a bad sign?

Karen

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> Listen to some Grieg, Steely Dan,

Steely Dan without sexual content? Even the name is sexual content...

Marie

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>
> LOL. Was it fun?:)

It was kind of educational.  I find I am heavily influenced by
personality, and memory rather than mystery is the name of my game.

Ann

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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:57:18 -0700 (PDT)
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On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> On an entirely different subject, do you know the photography of Andy
> Goldsworthy? Paul has a book that absolutely captivated me. Here's a
> google search on his images:
> http://images.google.com/images?q=andy+goldsworthy&ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search
>
Yes, thanks, and here's a gallery site:
http://www.hainesgallery.com/AG.work.html

Anna Borinki likes the one called "Red river rocks ground to a powder
slowly released upstream of a waterfall" and had it on www.annaborinki.com
until it got dropped automatically because she's not using real blog
software.


He has a movie, a documentary made about him, I mean, but I haven't seen
it.  His show at the Haines Gallery was fun because he e-mailed them a
picture or two a day, with commentary, of a few ongoing projects.

Maybe in the future these would be blogs,  publicly distributed (or
distributed to subscribers).  I'd pay for that.

Ann

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On Friday, July 11, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> Dang.
>>
>> I'm in those pictures, some of them, but I have no memory of most of
>> them being taken.
>>
>> Is this a bad sign?
>>
>> Karen

> Nah, it shows that you were a true participant in the moment,
> not posing for the camera. 'Tis a good thing.

Mm. Maybe.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Dang.
>
> I'm in those pictures, some of them, but I have no memory of most of
> them being taken.
>
> Is this a bad sign?
>
> Karen

Nah, it shows that you were a true participant in the moment,
not posing for the camera. 'Tis a good thing.

clo

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On Friday, July 11, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> Yes, thanks, and here's a gallery site:
> http://www.hainesgallery.com/AG.work.html

Thank you.

> Anna Borinki likes the one called "Red river rocks ground to a powder
> slowly released upstream of a waterfall" and had it on www.annaborinki.com
> until it got dropped automatically because she's not using real blog
> software.

Ah.

> He has a movie, a documentary made about him, I mean, but I haven't seen
> it.  His show at the Haines Gallery was fun because he e-mailed them a
> picture or two a day, with commentary, of a few ongoing projects.

Neat.

> Maybe in the future these would be blogs,  publicly distributed (or
> distributed to subscribers).  I'd pay for that.

I don't have any money, so I'd like it for free, but I really
appreciate his work.

Karen

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On Friday, July 11, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> Anna Borinki likes the one called "Red river rocks ground to a powder
> slowly released upstream of a waterfall" and had it on www.annaborinki.com
> until it got dropped automatically because she's not using real blog
> software.

My Sweet Polenta and I had many conversations in the days we spent
together. One of them had to do with the phenomenon of "May we sing in
your space?" This is precisely what I like about Goldsworthy--he sings
in the space and then moves on.

Karen

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I think I thanked you in our phone message for the gifts you sent to the
fest, but did I say thanks for the recipes?  I loved that you were
festing with us from afar.  I haven't counted yet to see just how many
of the pens I scarfed up.  I was trying to be polite about it.  I know
that I didn't take them all.  I {heart} my BC pens!  And I loved that
you sent me the recipes!
--
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I should have given this address for Red River Rocks (takes time to load
though)

http://www.hainesgallery.com/AG.work.redriverrocks.html

On Fri, 11 Jul
2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> On Friday, July 11, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > Anna Borinki likes the one called "Red river rocks ground to a powder
> > slowly released upstream of a waterfall" and had it on www.annaborinki.com
> > until it got dropped automatically because she's not using real blog
> > software.
>
> My Sweet Polenta and I had many conversations in the days we spent
> together. One of them had to do with the phenomenon of "May we sing in
> your space?" This is precisely what I like about Goldsworthy--he sings
> in the space and then moves on.
>
> Karen
>

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Alan Wild wrote:
>
> Terry has just been admitted to South County hospital for a day or so and an
> IV of antibiotics.  She's got some kind of blood borne infection from a tick
> (qv tic :)   I'll bring her a laptop... Hopefully she'll be online chatting
> up a storm with y'all before dinner...
>
> 'Thought you'd wanna know...

This is upsetting news, but it does sound under control, which is a very
good thing.

I e-mailed Terry the unedited version of the diaper-changing picture --
the picture that I thought I had taken when Edward's <private parts>
were covered but which in fact showed them -- thus the editing before
putting the picture online since I don't want to be arrested for cyber
child porno.

Please send updates and tell Terry (why did I spell it Teri earlier?) to
GWS!!

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> I think I'm gonna wear out the Nields.  Played that CD a good bit today,
> along with the amazingly wonderful LClark CD.  I also played the
> AnnBorkin Mix and liked it.

Good, I'm glad to hear it.

> Hotdogs cry
> out for slaw.

I guess my mileage just varies from yours.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com
having a cold and Not Liking It One Bit

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<A HREF="http://www.deathrowbook.com/sertest.htm">http://www.deathrowbook.com/sertest.htm</A>



Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:

>Strange to read it. I've been thinking for long that he has it. I wonder
>how
>warm a personality I'd find that of him if I ever should ftf him.


You would fall madly in love with him, and Bonnie would have to marshall all
the demonic forces of INS to have you deported, you home wrecker, you.



-- Rita C.

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I'm a dinosaur, Pete... 'one of "the old ones", like Rock on Star Trek spoke
about... "yes, the ooold ones."  You follow that with the way the same actor
as Lurch in the Adams Family used to mutter, "errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr..." and
shake his head.  ;-)



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> >ftp://wordslur:FullM00n@ftp.mis.uri.edu/acadiafest
>
> Thanks, Alan -- silly me, I was searching messages for "http:", and
> wondered why I couldn't find yours!
>
> Pete

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Natalie Maynor" <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> I e-mailed Terry the unedited version of the diaper-changing picture --
> the picture that I thought I had taken when Edward's <private parts>
> were covered but which in fact showed them -- thus the editing before
> putting the picture online since I don't want to be arrested for cyber
> child porno.
>
> Please send updates and tell Terry (why did I spell it Teri earlier?) to
> GWS!!
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

'Already conveyed.  I told her you got home safely ;-)  But I can't
remember; did Edward have a woody going in the pic?

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

>  This morning it is 57F/14C; the high today is expected to be only
> a few degrees above that.  Very enjoyable, although the tourists who came
> unprepared might not agree.  But then, that's why we have all of those
> sweatshirt and outerwear shops.

I must admit that I was hoping for some cold weather on the trip -- not
that I like to be cold, mind you, but just that I thought it would be
<exciting> here in mid summer.  I even packed quite wisely, I thought --
putting my main stuff in one small suitcase and sticking another small
suitcase in the trunk of my car with <winter> clothes -- long jeans
instead of pedal-pusher-length, a couple of l-s t-shirts, and my
Dead-Eye Dick sweatshirt.  Plus the hooded windbreaker I bought in
Alaska.  But I didn't need to use any of that stuff.

I did enjoy the feeling of the cooling down in late afternoon, though.
I noticed it especially in Belfast but also noticed it in BH and
Quebec.  After a hottish day, coolness would appear in late afternoon,
which struck me as odd since it doesn't get dark until very late in
those places.  I also noticed with interest that early mornings, the
coolest time of the day here, weren't especially cool there.  It seemed
to be cool from about 4 p.m. until sometime before 5 a.m.

> Last evening in Seattle it was still hovering around 90F/32C at 1930 their
> time.  Lisa was not a happy camper (or homeowner, for that matter)
>
> Thinking of the rather strange weather patterns, like Seattle being hot and
> dry this year---MEM, do you ever experience such things out there?

Global warming.  It's normally dry here at this time of year, but the
rains have been falling.  It's all a part of global warming.  The End Is
At Hand.  And trees grow faster in NYC than in rural settings.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Meteorologist

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'Done... She may be in for two overights; she's still kinda lethargic.

When it rains, it pours:  Edward came down with a cough around the time of
Bar Harbor, and today he developed a 101.9 fever... so the pediatrician
listened to his lungs and suspected pneumonia... chest ex-rays were
negative, but all this had to happen while Terry was in another wing of the
hospital with William & Lillia visiting.  Jeez...  for a while there, I
thought we were gonna begin to occupy a wing!  "Do you have any Queen-size,
or larger beds?"

;-)  'Alan




----- Original Message -----
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> In a message dated 7/11/2003 9:18:07 AM Central Daylight Time,
awild@URI.EDU
> writes:
> <<
> Terry has just been admitted to South County hospital for a day or so and
an
> IV of antibiotics.
> >>
>
> Sending hugs to Terry!
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> My reality check bounced.

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In a message dated 7/11/2003 7:30:50 PM Central Daylight Time, awild@URI.EDU
writes:
<<
Jeez...  for a while there, I
thought we were gonna begin to occupy a wing!  "Do you have any Queen-size,
or larger beds?"

>>

You might qualify for the group rate.

A friend of mine on another list told us of the hospital she was in;
the food was excellent!

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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Haven't even read my mail and I see I'm getting credit
for something;  but my dog's head is stuck between the
slats of the railing on the deck.  So as I take a time
out to get her "a-loose", tune into Canine-L for some
real, old-timey phatic drivel.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > Walmart opened a store in Beijing yesterday.
>
> It's the end of the world as we know it...

It's a chance for Beijingers to use Tracfones!

Speaking of Tracfone, I need to give an update since I know all of y'all
are just dying to know the nitty-gritty.  For one thing, I did find a
reply from the Tracfone e-mail people when I got home yesterday saying
that the security number being asked for was that number on the back of
a Visa card.  I do appreciate their reply and appreciate knowing that.
But I checked e-mail in Quebec several times and thus know that their
reply was several days in coming (not that I needed the info in Quebec,
thanks to the Elsworth Walmart).

Re towers, I think I mentioned that the champagne glasses dropped down
to zero in northern Maine -- the phone beeps when the towers are nowhere
to be found, which is kind of thoughtful of it imho.  I turned it off
then since I knew it wouldn't work in Canada.  When I crossed the border
again, I turned it on and had a full column of champagne glasses.  This
was in eastern NY.  I had planned on going farther in Canada and
crossing over at the northern tip of I-81, thus zipping through
Syracuse, but I was getting really tired of the rush-hour traffic in
Montreal (I had left Quebec at 5 a.m. and hit Montreal at morning rush
hour), saw a sign saying "to the U.S.A." and took that route on a sudden
impulse.  I was let back into the country -- apparently my passport
number wasn't registered as a "don't let back in."  And farther down
that route I got to stop and take a quick look at Lake George, the site
of what was probably my favorite summer ever, though my Chicago summer
is a close runner-up.

But back to Tracfone.  It lost champagne glasses to the point of beeping
and saying "no service" somewhere in the Adirondacks.  The same thing
happened somewhere later -- can't remember exactly where.  And then it
happened again around Splunge, MS.  But I'm guessing that pretty much
any cell phone might have lost champagne glasses in those places.  I did
so want to call Bradykins from Splunge, though.  When I called him from
West Point a little while later, I told him that they've repainted or
replaced the Splunge Park sign.  That is good.  I'm thinking that maybe
someday we should have a fest in Splunge.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> > Hotdogs cry
> > out for slaw.
>
> I guess my mileage just varies from yours.

Your childhood.  I grew up thinking that hotdogs required slaw.  That's
just the way they were <done> in my childhood.  And that's the way I
still want them.

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Hang in there, Alan!  Maybe it's better to have all the pouring in one
big batch.  You weather that huge storm, and then there's smooth sailing
for a while.

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Alan Wild wrote:
>  But I can't
> remember; did Edward have a woody going in the pic?

I don't think so.  I think it was just a normal little sinclair lying
there at ease.  Probably I wouldn't have been arrested for
child-porno-promoting if I had put the unedited version online.  But I
felt it <prudent> to lop out the sinclair in the online version.

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At 01:32 PM 7/11/2003 -0400, lisa alfieri wrote:
>It's three hours later and I can tell you we've definitely reaching the
>pouring portion of our day.

It's not exactly ouring here---more a gentle, soaking rain since 1100 or
so.  From the looks of the Nexrad imagery, most of this rain is developing
off the coast right out from where you are, then meandering up our way.

cwv

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What are Hazmats?  I googled and saw that it was something about
hazardous material.  But that doesn't fit with my context exactly.
Somewhere on my drive home, either in Pennsylvania or West Virginia,
suddenly signs started popping up saying "No Hazmats!"  The signs were
like the usual highway signs that warn you of deer or moose or icy
bridges or sharp turns or runaway truck ramps.  The huge number of these
"No Hazmats!" signs in a small number of miles made me think that this
was something a motorist needed to take heed of.  I kept wondering how
the lack of hazmats might affect my life.  I assumed that it meant I
should drive especially carefully since there were no hazmats to save me
if I screwed up.

So what were those signs about?

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Natalie Maynor" <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> Hang in there, Alan!  Maybe it's better to have all the pouring in one
> big batch.  You weather that huge storm, and then there's smooth sailing
> for a while.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Come on, Ter!

'No worries... I have Lillia and William, whom are GREAT helpers ;-)  I'm
very proud of them.

'Been a long day, and tomorrow's another.  Jose Cuervo & I have some talkin'
to do.

Thanks Natalie, and... Hang in there, Ter.

'Love you... 'Alan

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hazardous materials

'gotta run here...


----- Original Message -----
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> What are Hazmats?  I googled and saw that it was something about
> hazardous material.  But that doesn't fit with my context exactly.
> Somewhere on my drive home, either in Pennsylvania or West Virginia,
> suddenly signs started popping up saying "No Hazmats!"  The signs were
> like the usual highway signs that warn you of deer or moose or icy
> bridges or sharp turns or runaway truck ramps.  The huge number of these
> "No Hazmats!" signs in a small number of miles made me think that this
> was something a motorist needed to take heed of.  I kept wondering how
> the lack of hazmats might affect my life.  I assumed that it meant I
> should drive especially carefully since there were no hazmats to save me
> if I screwed up.
>
> So what were those signs about?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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From: Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Wet wet wet, Rain is all around...
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> > Do they really? I never thought of trees growing
> at
> > different rates, urban - rural.  Why is this so?

I listen to NPR out of Birmingham all the time.  The
tree story fascinates me, I must research it.
>
> According to NPR, they do.  It has something to do
> with ozone.  The
> ozone effect is worse in rural settings than in city
> settings.
  I also heard repeatedly the story of the
> shooting in Meridian,
> along with some odd comments.  One odd comment was
> that Meridian was a
> "rural setting."  Well, compared with major cities,
> it of course is.
> But it's not a tiny village.  At one time, many
> years ago, it vied with
> Jackson as the biggest town in Mississippi.  I don't
> know its
> population, but it's certainly bigger than
> Starkville, and I don't think
> Starkville is really "rural."  Another odd
> (offensive actually) comment
> was from somebody talking about how the shooter was
> known to be a racist
> and (here's the offensive part) that "this was in
> the deep South so that
> could be expected."  That made my blood boil.  This
> crazy man quite
> likely was a racist.  I feel sure that there are
> racist factory workers
> in Mississippi.  But I also feel sure that there are
> no more racist
> factory workers in Mississippi (in fact, probably
> fewer) than in
> Pennsylvania, the state I happened to be driving
> through when I heard
> that.

About 2 years ago, there was the murder of a gay man
not far from this small town.  Sylacauga is about
12,500.  The murder occurred in a different county,
but the news media descended upon us like locusts - we
even got one call from a CBC station.  We had nothing
whatsoever to do with the crime scene, pursuit and/or
trial of the suspects.  But Sylacauga got headlines
like "Violent Hate Crimes in Rural White South", etc.,
ad nauseam.  So I know exactly how you feel.
>
> I wish I could give a more detailed answer re the
> NYC trees.  Something
> about ozone is all I remember.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Thank you for your reply, I am enjoying vicariously
following the AF group as they arrive home and recount
their adventures.


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> Ozone. The ozone in the city is taken care of, but
> in the country it
> sticks around. (This was an NPR story today.) The
> city trees grew
> twice as fast as the country trees.
>
> Karen

Thank you.


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--- Larry Clark <lgclark@COMCAST.NET> wrote:
> At 08:38 PM 07/11/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >What are Hazmats?
>
> >
> >So what were those signs about?
>
> You're kidding, right?
>
> Hazmats = hazardous material
> "No Hazmats!" = No hazardous material *allowed*.

Were these signs on mountainous roads?


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--- Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> wrote:
> Natalie Maynor writes,
>
> >I wish I could give a more detailed answer re the
> NYC trees.  Something
> >about ozone is all I remember.
>
> Sources:
>
<http://www.nature.com/nature/links/030710/030710-1.html>
>
<http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/July03/ozone_trees.hrs.html>
>
> NY Daily News:
>
<http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/99598p-90002c.html>
>
> NYTimes link with no registration required (expires
> in a few days):
> <http://tinyurl.com/gphs>
>
> NYTimes hardlink, registration required:
> <http://nytimes.com/2003/07/10/nyregion/10TREE.html>
>
> Pete

Terrific.  Thank you kindly.


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At 02:59 PM 7/11/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>>ftp://wordslur:FullM00n@ftp.mis.uri.edu/acadiafest

Does it take everyone forever to view these?  The couple that I looked at
are great but they are HUGE and take a while.
Betty

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At 07:41 PM 7/11/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I did enjoy the feeling of the cooling down in late afternoon, though.
>I noticed it especially in Belfast but also noticed it in BH and
>Quebec.  After a hottish day, coolness would appear in late afternoon,
>which struck me as odd since it doesn't get dark until very late in
>those places.

Here at least, and probably in the Belfast area, it's the sea breeze
phenomenon---the air over the land heats up during the day, rises, and is
replaced by air coming from the much cooler Atlantic.  It works here pretty
well unless we have a long period of westerly winds.

A few minutes ago on the Weather Channel, they showed the same sort of
phenomenon working to "knock down" some of the strong thunderstorms now
moving across eastern NC.

cwv

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At 09:54 PM 7/11/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 02:33 PM 7/11/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>Be sure to look at the picture labeled "Porch Partying With the Wilds."
>>I think it's a great picture of Alan and Teri, if I do say so myself and
>>I do.  Some of the rest of the pictures show a decided lack of
>>photographic skills.  I should've been selective, putting only the good
>>ones online, but naturally I just dumped them all there.
>
>Whatever you may think of your photographic skills, you have a good
>instinct for capturing people in your photos.

Larry made wallpaper out of one of Alan's.  It's pretty cool.  I'll take a
photo of it and how you, 'Al.

Betty

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On Friday, July 11, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> Yes, thanks, and here's a gallery site:
>> http://www.hainesgallery.com/AG.work.html
>>
>> Anna Borinki likes the one called "Red river rocks
>> ground to a powder
>> slowly released upstream of a waterfall" and had it
>> on www.annaborinki.com
>> until it got dropped automatically because she's not
>> using real blog
>> software.
>>
>>
>> He has a movie, a documentary made about him, I
>> mean, but I haven't seen
>> it.  His show at the Haines Gallery was fun because
>> he e-mailed them a
>> picture or two a day, with commentary, of a few
>> ongoing projects.
>>
>> Ann

> Now these are very striking AND attractive, to me.

But I'm also sure that quite a lot of people think it isn't art.

Karen

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Lynne Weber wrote:
>
>   And trees grow faster in NYC than in rural
> > settings.

> Do they really? I never thought of trees growing at
> different rates, urban - rural.  Why is this so?

According to NPR, they do.  It has something to do with ozone.  The
ozone effect is worse in rural settings than in city settings.
Something like that.  The researcher, whose name and affiliation I've
forgotten, noticed that trees grew faster in NYC than in some rural
setting that she was familiar with, so she did research on the matter
and discovered the why.  I regret that I can't give a better explanation
of the why.  I heard that story at least twice, maybe three times,
during my many hours of driving home.  I was alternating between CDs and
NPR.  I also heard repeatedly the story of the shooting in Meridian,
along with some odd comments.  One odd comment was that Meridian was a
"rural setting."  Well, compared with major cities, it of course is.
But it's not a tiny village.  At one time, many years ago, it vied with
Jackson as the biggest town in Mississippi.  I don't know its
population, but it's certainly bigger than Starkville, and I don't think
Starkville is really "rural."  Another odd (offensive actually) comment
was from somebody talking about how the shooter was known to be a racist
and (here's the offensive part) that "this was in the deep South so that
could be expected."  That made my blood boil.  This crazy man quite
likely was a racist.  I feel sure that there are racist factory workers
in Mississippi.  But I also feel sure that there are no more racist
factory workers in Mississippi (in fact, probably fewer) than in
Pennsylvania, the state I happened to be driving through when I heard
that.

I wish I could give a more detailed answer re the NYC trees.  Something
about ozone is all I remember.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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  And trees grow faster in NYC than in rural
> settings.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Meteorologist

Do they really? I never thought of trees growing at
different rates, urban - rural.  Why is this so?


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At 02:44 PM 7/11/2003 -0400, lisa alfieri wrote:
What surprised me is that this store is the 23rd such opened by Walmart in
>>China, just the first in the capital city.  When do you suppose the first
>>Baghdad Walmart will open?
>>
>>cwv
>
>Depends. Do you think the construction will start during our estimated four
>year stay or once our troops are out of there?

That may depend on whether or not Halliburton gets the contract...

cwv

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At 02:33 PM 7/11/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Be sure to look at the picture labeled "Porch Partying With the Wilds."
>I think it's a great picture of Alan and Teri, if I do say so myself and
>I do.  Some of the rest of the pictures show a decided lack of
>photographic skills.  I should've been selective, putting only the good
>ones online, but naturally I just dumped them all there.

Whatever you may think of your photographic skills, you have a good
instinct for capturing people in your photos.

cwv

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--- Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> wrote:
> > Listen to some Grieg, Steely Dan,
>
> Steely Dan without sexual content? Even the name is
> sexual content...
>
> Marie

For my part alone, I find obtrusive, degrading sexual
images as offensive as obtrusive, gratuitous violence.

I do not deny the existence of sex or violence, nor
do I deny that each has a powerful hold on humans.  I
am no prude, I just like my sex where and when I want
it, like most women (or men, perhaps - I can't speak
for them).  And I find slightly veiled subtlety much
more seductive than a rude slap in the face.

If we don't quit going round and round about this,
we're going to turn into butter.

Marie, you should have absorbed enough European and
African light to have ceased being translucent, and
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On Friday, July 11, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>   And trees grow faster in NYC than in rural
>> settings.
>>
>> --
>>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>>     Meteorologist

> Do they really? I never thought of trees growing at
> different rates, urban - rural.  Why is this so?

Ozone. The ozone in the city is taken care of, but in the country it
sticks around. (This was an NPR story today.) The city trees grew
twice as fast as the country trees.

Karen

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> Because of this year work schedule I decided to take
> it in two parts.
> The first two weeks of it just came to their end,
> and the other two
> weeks I'll take at the end of September-beginning of
> October, I guess.
> No special plans for these weeks either. Just to
> have a feeling of
> freedom.
>
> Kristin

I love to have nothing planned, to just play it by
ear.  I get a lot of vacation because of my seniority,
but we haven't taken a real trip since 2001.
Everything's kind of up the air due to my husband's
medical problems.  But we enjoy just sitting around
together


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On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>What are Hazmats?  I googled and saw that it was something about


Reminds me of an acquaintance who had to ask her son what a "PED
Xing" was.

Bethany

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> Yes, thanks, and here's a gallery site:
> http://www.hainesgallery.com/AG.work.html
>
> Anna Borinki likes the one called "Red river rocks
> ground to a powder
> slowly released upstream of a waterfall" and had it
> on www.annaborinki.com
> until it got dropped automatically because she's not
> using real blog
> software.
>
>
> He has a movie, a documentary made about him, I
> mean, but I haven't seen
> it.  His show at the Haines Gallery was fun because
> he e-mailed them a
> picture or two a day, with commentary, of a few
> ongoing projects.
>
> Ann

Now these are very striking AND attractive, to me.


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Natalie Maynor writes,

>I wish I could give a more detailed answer re the NYC trees.  Something
>about ozone is all I remember.

Sources:
<http://www.nature.com/nature/links/030710/030710-1.html>
<http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/July03/ozone_trees.hrs.html>

NY Daily News:
<http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/99598p-90002c.html>

NYTimes link with no registration required (expires in a few days):
<http://tinyurl.com/gphs>

NYTimes hardlink, registration required:
<http://nytimes.com/2003/07/10/nyregion/10TREE.html>

Pete

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At 08:38 PM 07/11/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>What are Hazmats?

>
>So what were those signs about?

You're kidding, right?

Hazmats = hazardous material
"No Hazmats!" = No hazardous material *allowed*.

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> > Now these are very striking AND attractive, to me.
>
> But I'm also sure that quite a lot of people think
> it isn't art.
>
> Karen

And vice versa. You have, of course, found folks in
two or many more camps regarding the other set of
photos.  Whether they are based on prejudice,
environment, tuition, or just bloody human nature,
people's perspectives will not change. But, to coin a
phrase, "Reasonable people can disagree."

And that is the only reason I suggested changing the
subject.  Give Burl a kiss for me.


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On Friday, July 11, 2003, BF Clark wrote:
> At 02:59 PM 7/11/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>>>ftp://wordslur:FullM00n@ftp.mis.uri.edu/acadiafest

> Does it take everyone forever to view these?  The couple that I looked at
> are great but they are HUGE and take a while.
> Betty

They are HUGE. I don't have a big enough monitor--only 19".

Karen

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On Friday, July 11, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I must admit that I was hoping for some cold weather on the trip -- not
> that I like to be cold, mind you, but just that I thought it would be
> <exciting> here in mid summer.  I even packed quite wisely, I thought --
> putting my main stuff in one small suitcase and sticking another small
> suitcase in the trunk of my car with <winter> clothes -- long jeans
> instead of pedal-pusher-length, a couple of l-s t-shirts, and my
> Dead-Eye Dick sweatshirt.  Plus the hooded windbreaker I bought in
> Alaska.  But I didn't need to use any of that stuff.

I wore long sleeves and long legs in Syracuse. And the morning Paul
and I went to the ocean really early, I wore my sweatshirt. I wore all
my long clothes, I think.

Karen

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I scored 14!

Karen

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--- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> I scored 14!
>
> Karen

I'm not half the woman you are - 6.


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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Natalie Maynor" <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> To: <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> Sent: Friday, 11 July, 2003 9:38 PM
> Subject: Hazmats (another question)
>
>
> > What are Hazmats?  I googled and saw that it was something about
> > hazardous material.  But that doesn't fit with my context exactly.
> > Somewhere on my drive home, either in Pennsylvania or West Virginia,
> > suddenly signs started popping up saying "No Hazmats!"  The signs were
> > like the usual highway signs that warn you of deer or moose or icy
> > bridges or sharp turns or runaway truck ramps.  The huge number of these
> > "No Hazmats!" signs in a small number of miles made me think that this
> > was something a motorist needed to take heed of.  I kept wondering how
> > the lack of hazmats might affect my life.  I assumed that it meant I
> > should drive especially carefully since there were no hazmats to save me
> > if I screwed up.
> >
> > So what were those signs about?
> >
> > --
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>

A lot of towns in our region have passed laws that ban nuclear and other
hazardous materials from being transported through certain areas - eg,
residential neighborhoods, areas where a hazmat cleanup would be nigh
impossible, or places where an especially sensitive area ecologically
butts up against a road that <might> be used for such transport. That's my
best guess for what you were seeing.

clo

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 or places where an especially sensitive
> area ecologically
> butts up against a road that <might> be used for
> such transport. That's my
> best guess for what you were seeing.
>
> clo

And where it might be hazardous for the trucks to
travel, more danger of accidents, spills, leaks, etc.

10-42

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> On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >What are Hazmats?  I googled and saw that it was something about
>
>
> Reminds me of an acquaintance who had to ask her son what a "PED
> Xing" was.
>
> Bethany

Reminds me of a nonreligious friend whose young son asked  "who's the guy on
the plus sign?".

Sandra

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----- Original Message -----
From: Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
Date: Friday, July 11, 2003 11:03 pm
Subject: Re: Wet wet wet, Rain is all around...

> > Ozone. The ozone in the city is taken care of, but
> > in the country it
> > sticks around. (This was an NPR story today.) The
> > city trees grew
> > twice as fast as the country trees.
> >
> > Karen
>
> Thank you.

Theoretically, anyway. There are so many other hostile factors in the city, that trees still have a tougher time -- salt and dog urine, for instance.

Marie

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> Marie, you should have absorbed enough European and
> African light to have ceased being translucent, and
> become nearly iridescent.

I shouldn't have eaten the couscous...

Marie

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From: Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
> --- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> > I scored 14!
> >
> > Karen
>
> I'm not half the woman you are - 6.

You are exactly half the woman I am - 12.

Marie

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At 01:33 PM 7/11/2003 +0200, Espen Ore wrote:
>(Reedited version of an earlier message - now with my own GIFs)

Thanks, Espen. If I took off hiking like that you would never see me
again.  Beautiful photographs.

Betty

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At 03:57 PM 7/11/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>.Yes, thanks, and here's a gallery site:
>http://www.hainesgallery.com/AG.work.html

"Art" for sure.

Betty

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At 01:41 PM 7/11/2003 +0200, Espen Ore wrote:
>.Here is a photo taken around 11 PM from my bedroom window (the night fog
>has started to settle):
>http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/frahus.jpg
>
>The day after we arrived we had a lovely time downtown:
>
>http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/fergekai.jpg
>
>The small white house lies by the ferry landing.
>
>I will scan some more Volda- and grandchildren gifs on Monday.

Gorgeous!  Hurry with the grandchildren.  You don't have a digital camera yet?

Betty

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Larry Clark wrote:
> >What are Hazmats?
> >
> >So what were those signs about?
>
> You're kidding, right?
>
> Hazmats = hazardous material
> "No Hazmats!" = No hazardous material *allowed*.

No, I wasn't kidding.  I realized after the list answers last night that
the signs must have meant hauling hazardous material on that highway
wasn't allowed, but that never entered my mind at the time since I don't
remember having ever seen such a sign before and since I had no idea
what a hazmat was.  I thought it was something like "no shoulder" --
some kind of warning to be careful because you might fall off the
mountain if you strayed too far to the right -- like maybe a hazmat was
one of those rough things that make your tires rattle if you hit it, as
a warning that you're veering off your path.

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> Were these signs on mountainous roads?

Yes.  I thought about Adam, thinking about how he would not have enjoyed
some parts of that drive.

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BF Clark wrote:
>
> At 02:59 PM 7/11/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> >>ftp://wordslur:FullM00n@ftp.mis.uri.edu/acadiafest
>
> Does it take everyone forever to view these?  The couple that I looked at
> are great but they are HUGE and take a while.

I just tried it, and my Netscape is still chugging along saying
"receiving ftp directory."  Hmm.  I bet it would go faster if I were
connected via MSU instead of via BellSouth.  Internet II would then kick
in.

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Sounds like all who went had a great time - cool! That is as it should be.

I spent my <Australia week> tending to business - I will submit my
mortgage preapproval paperwork on Mon morning - I expect to have a letter
of approval for a purchase by Wed. I may go to open houses tomorrow - it
is entirely possible that I will find a condo and make an offer this week.

I submitted paperwork without including consulting income (it cuts down
on the paperwork to omit it), but if I can't find what I want at the
price I am pre-approved for, I will add the consulting income and try
again - but I expect to be approved for far more than I intend to spend, so
perhaps this saga will move along now.

United is still looking for my wardrobe - I will postpone my Atlanta
shopping trip for a bit.

Bethany

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Which means, of course, that so is Ann Borkin.

But I don't like not having access to e-mail. Pretty soon it piles up and
then you have 11,412 e-mails that get downloaded twice...

Karen

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Ann, how was your trip?  We're planning the last week of July to be up
there with the kids and other family members.  Was it crowded at the
campgrounds?

Betty

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> Mmmmm.. Thank you for the idea.. I think I will leave as my screen saver!
>
> >big red letters scrolling jubilantly on the computer screen of a coworker:
> >"I'm on vacation! Yeessss!" Amusing, and demoralizing.

I changed my wallpaper before vacation: put there a picture I found when moving
on from a site referred to at Anna Borinki's blog: a photo (painted photo?)
where you watch to the sea through binoculars -- the shape of the sight through
them is the body of that work. As a sign to the others in the office: if you
want to see me, I'm somewhere there, far, far away.

I must find out once more whose work it is, browsing the abovementioned blog.

Thanks, Ann*Bor**k*

Kristin

Kristin

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >> He has a movie, a documentary made about him,

> > Now these are very striking AND attractive, to me.
>
> But I'm also sure that quite a lot of people think it isn't art.

I don't. But well, do I always search an answer to the question whether
anything is art or not. I guess, not. Often I am just excited by what
people do -- the people who, when interested in something, do not
hesitate to chase after it. That's why I left Ann's remark on the movie
there at the beginning of the message: I recently watched a documentary
by Agnes Varda. I was equally ravished by both the author and the people
in her movie, the way how the author was enthusiastic of her material,
her contact with those being filmed.

I'll try to find the original title of it right away.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

>  I recently watched a documentary
> by Agnes Varda.
> I'll try to find the original title of it right away.

Haven't seen the preceding one: Les Glaneurs et la glaneuse (The Gleaners
and I) (82 mins, documentary) -- 2000.

And this was what I saw:  The Gleaners and I: Two years later (60 mins,
documentary) 2002.

Kristin

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What shirt is it, anyway?

Kristin

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Rita Rouvalis wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> >Strange to read it. I've been thinking for long that he has it. I wonder
> >how
> >warm a personality I'd find that of him if I ever should ftf him.
>
> You would fall madly in love with him, and Bonnie would have to marshall all
> the demonic forces of INS to have you deported, you home wrecker, you.

Worth to try... :-)

It's perhaps quite good that the American Continent is so far away. How many
troubles avoided!

Kristin

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As promised, here is the URL to the index: http://home.att.net/~joowl/knitidx1.html

Beware that many of them don't have photographs to accompany them. I'm
personally not brave enough yet to attempt something that I haven't
seen before.

I used Sugar and Cream cotton yarn to make the Pebble Stitch cloth for
Paul. For his Mom, I made the Snowdrop Lace cloth. Bonnie's was a
honeycomb pattern similar to the one I made for my friend Lydia. I'm
making the Collande Dishcloth (which I think should be 'colander') for
me.

Karen

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Just got back from the AT&T store; it's going to cost me $200
to replace the one that got stolen.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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On 11 Jul 2003 at 19:33, Lynne Weber wrote:

> If we don't quit going round and round about this,
> we're going to turn into butter.

Please, no more offensive remarks like this.

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On Saturday, July 12, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> Just got back from the AT&T store; it's going to cost me $200
> to replace the one that got stolen.

Evelyn, if you're keeping the same provider, phone them up and tell
them you want the same deal they'd give to a new subscriber. I did
this when I broke my other phone, and I ended up getting a $150 phone
for $20.

Karen

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From: "S Hess" <sandra@maximumsentence.com>
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Maybe one of you can help me figure this out.

I have a trojan horse program on my computer. Norton AntiVirus cannot delete
it nor can it quarantine it. It will tell me where it is but it seems to be
a hidden file.

How can I get it off my pc??? I've just been reading about trojan horse
programs that allow others to hijack your pc.

The virus I have is called "click me first" if that makes a difference.

I couldnt' find it on Norton's list, either.

Sandra

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On Saturday, July 12, 2003, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
> On 11 Jul 2003 at 19:33, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> If we don't quit going round and round about this,
>> we're going to turn into butter.

> Please, no more offensive remarks like this.

Indeed.

Karen

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On Saturday, July 12, 2003, S Hess wrote:
> I have a trojan horse program on my computer.

We saw one on the trip to Maine. Not in Troy, of course--that would be
too perfect.

> How can I get it off my pc???

Unhide it and delete it?

See if you can right-click on it somewhere (in Norton or in Windows
Explorer), select Properties, and unclick the hidden attribute.

> I couldnt' find it on Norton's list, either.

I think this one has been around.

Karen

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>I have a trojan horse program on my computer. Norton AntiVirus cannot delete
>it nor can it quarantine it. It will tell me where it is but it seems to be
>a hidden file.

Shall I send Maria?

Bethany

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Sandra writes,

>I have a trojan horse program on my computer. Norton AntiVirus cannot delete
>it nor can it quarantine it. It will tell me where it is but it seems to be
>a hidden file.

We need more information.  What and where exactly does NAV say it is?  What
version of Windows are you running?  Etc.

(Not apropos of your situation, but I <heart> VMware.  Ctrl-Alt, click the
"Stop", "Revert", "Start" buttons and I have a fresh PC with a clean
install of Windows and my apps.)

Pete

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From: Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: cool times in NE
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> United is still looking for my wardrobe - I will
> postpone my Atlanta
> shopping trip for a bit.
>
> Bethany

Trust you have something to wear until then.  Don't be
popping up in any controversial photos.


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> just excited by what
> people do -- the people who, when interested in
> something, do not
> hesitate to chase after it. That's why I left Ann's
> remark on the movie
> there at the beginning of the message: I recently
> watched a documentary
> by Agnes Varda. I was equally ravished by both the
> author and the people
> in her movie, the way how the author was
> enthusiastic of her material,
> her contact with those being filmed.
> Kristin

I find folks' enthusiasms for most things are quite
contagious.  And it is sometimes most surprising what
people can be enthused about, but I mean that in a
positive sense.


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On Sat, 12 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>Trust you have something to wear until then.  Don't be
>popping up in any controversial photos.

Well, I have the blue jeans I planned to wear on the trip ... and a fwe
pairs of shorts. And of course a bunch of dresses that I seldom wear,
especially in the summer.

But I can't wear THOSE - everyone will think I have decided to be a
<lady>. Photos of me as a lady would be quite controversial. OTOH, I might
try that in the morning. I am going to 8 a.m. services right now while our
newly trained lay readers serve as 8 a.m. lay readers forthe first time -
they have not served on Sundays before. (I train our layreaders.)

I could even wear a hat, since I will not be singing in the choir.

Bethany

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> >I have a trojan horse program on my computer. Norton AntiVirus
> cannot delete
> >it nor can it quarantine it. It will tell me where it is but it
> seems to be
> >a hidden file.
>
> Shall I send Maria?
>
> Bethany

Please!

Sandra

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> Sandra writes,
>
> >I have a trojan horse program on my computer. Norton AntiVirus
> cannot delete
> >it nor can it quarantine it. It will tell me where it is but it
> seems to be
> >a hidden file.
>
> We need more information.  What and where exactly does NAV say it
> is?  What
> version of Windows are you running?  Etc.
>
> (Not apropos of your situation, but I <heart> VMware.  Ctrl-Alt, click the
> "Stop", "Revert", "Start" buttons and I have a fresh PC with a clean
> install of Windows and my apps.)
>
> Pete

This is what the "details" says when I try to delete the trojan horse via
Norton AntiVirus:

The compressed file CLICK-ME- FIRST.exe within
C:\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-690823481-3745398772-3625570990-1006\Dc2.rar is
infected with the Trojan Horse virus.

I can't find that folder (recycler) though. Could it be hidden? I want to
get it off my pc.

Sandra

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> Sandra writes,
>
> >I have a trojan horse program on my computer. Norton AntiVirus
> cannot delete
> >it nor can it quarantine it. It will tell me where it is but it
> seems to be
> >a hidden file.
>
> We need more information.  What and where exactly does NAV say it
> is?  What
> version of Windows are you running?  Etc.
>
> (Not apropos of your situation, but I <heart> VMware.  Ctrl-Alt, click the
> "Stop", "Revert", "Start" buttons and I have a fresh PC with a clean
> install of Windows and my apps.)
>
> Pete

I'm using Windows XP, btw.

Thanks.

Sandra

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On Saturday, July 12, 2003, sandra wrote:
> I can't find that folder (recycler) though. Could it be hidden? I want to
> get it off my pc.

Empty the recycle bin; that should do it.

Karen

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On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Espen Ore wrote:

>The Norway Bus Express runs some of the airport buses in Oslo including

Again, I say: Great message, even greater gifs! Thanks!

Bethany

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>
> But I can't wear THOSE - everyone will think I have
> decided to be a
> <lady>. Photos of me as a lady would be quite
> controversial. OTOH, I might
> try that in the morning. >
> I could even wear a hat, since I will not be singing
> in the choir.
>
> Bethany

I wouldn't think you'd mind so much looking like a
lady at services.


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On Saturday, July 12, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>> What happened to her retirement?

> My best guess is, they retired from some other live, took a bundle of
> money, bought Child's Meadows Resort (offering cabins, RV hookups, motel
> rooms and campgrounds) and planned on bringing in enough money so that she
> wouldn't have to do every damned thing, and never get to step outside or
> take a day off work.  Something like that.

Oops.

Karen

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On Saturday, July 12, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> This is fun.  Click on the above, then wait until it loads, then move your
> mouse around and click and etc.

> Karen, who's presenting this?

It says in English on the right side side. Makoto Yanagisawa.

Karen

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Sandra writes,

>The compressed file CLICK-ME- FIRST.exe within
>C:\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-690823481-3745398772-3625570990-1006\Dc2.rar is
>infected with the Trojan Horse virus.

Yeah, what Karen said.

I'd also make sure NAV was up-to-date -- I wouldn't be sure there isn't
more junk on your computer.

Do you have a firewall on your net connection?

Pete

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On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Espen Ore wrote:

>(Reedited version of an earlier message - now with my own GIFs)

Great message, even greater gifs! Thanks!

Bethany

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On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>http://maynor.fotopic.net

Thanks, Natalie!

Bethany

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On Sat, 12 Jul 2003, sandra wrote:

>> Shall I send Maria?
>>
>Please!

Her equine highness has advised me that she will be taking the rest of
the weekend off - but she says see:
'
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/hoover/trojan-horse.html>

Bethany

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On Saturday, July 12, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> We stayed in a house/cabin at Child's Meadows.  It was dead there, felt
> like a depressed area and I know the woman who was looking after things
> was depressed personally.  ("This was supposed to be my retirement" -
> said bitterly).

What happened to her retirement?

> It was still spring.  The meadows were full of flowers and grasses.  The
> weather was perfect.  There's something wrong with me:  I looked out
> over the beautiful spacious sunlit flowery meadows and thought "I wish I
> was in New York."

Why does that mean something is wrong with you?

Karen

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> Please, no more offensive remarks like this.

We could turn into a lot worse.


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02003-07-07 | Adam Hartfield <adamh1@COMCAST.NET> writes:
> > It should be added in the introduction to the list.
>
> If I could figure out how to change that stuff, maybe I would.

Mail it to whore@words-l.org

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At 04:22 PM 7/12/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>It was not crowded at all.  The campground at Manzanita lake had quite a
>few RV's, but mostly there weren't very many campers.

Thanks. We weren't sure if it would be crowded with people camping more
this year instead of flying to New York and abroad.  We need at least three
sites. Manzanita has great camp sites with large open spaces behind the
loops.  We can set up hammocks, badminton nets, and still have lots of
room.  I take my  bike, my lounge chair and a bunch of books. I think I'm
ready to climb to the top again this year. I have received my "Bad Betty"
hiking stick from LL Bean and Ryan thought he would be game, too.


>We stayed in a house/cabin at Child's Meadows.  It was dead there, felt
>like a depressed area and I know the woman who was looking after things
>was depressed personally.  ("This was supposed to be my retirement" -
>said bitterly).

Not familiar with Child's Meadows. Larry thinks it is on the other side.


>It was still spring.  The meadows were full of flowers and grasses.  The
>weather was perfect.  There's something wrong with me:  I looked out
>over the beautiful spacious sunlit flowery meadows and thought "I wish I
>was in New York."

I've been thinking about New York, too.   The theatre tour was great and
I'm ready to go back. The Berkeley Rep called to see if we were interested
in their tour to London.  Way too much money.

Betty

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I have know for months that it was time to move from the Old City. I have
for weeks been trying to get all the paperwork done for mortgage
pre-approval. Everything is now done. This a.m. I had one of those little
<signals> that the time is ripe.

I occasionally purchase a skinny cap across the street at Cup a Joe. I
did that this morning. The cap looked more like a latte than a cap. I
asked the cap-maker (who has worked there at least a year) what I should
ask for if I wanted a dryer cap. Among other things, I said, "This cap is
going to turn into a latte in about 2 minutes [it did]." Her response was,
"Oh, I don't know all the vocabulary."

Excuse me - you make caps and lattes all day, but you don't know the
vocabulary?"

This will save me a few bucks - I'll not buy anything but regular coffees
there in the future. I don't go there often, but it is convenient for
those mornings when I need to dress and run ...

Bethany

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02003-07-12 | Adam Hartfield <adamh1@COMCAST.NET> writes:
> > Subject: http://www2u.biglobe.ne.jp/~macopism/noct/data/
> >
> >
> > This is fun.  Click on the above, then wait until it loads, then move your
> > mouse around and click and etc.
>
> It's neat, yes, but WTF *is* it?

"Art".

Check this out, turns out Buffy invented the phrase "bad hair day":

http://phrases.shu.ac.uk/meanings/53900.html

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> Subject: http://www2u.biglobe.ne.jp/~macopism/noct/data/
>
>
> This is fun.  Click on the above, then wait until it loads, then move your
> mouse around and click and etc.

It's neat, yes, but WTF *is* it?

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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At 04:59 PM 7/12/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>This is fun.  Click on the above, then wait until it loads, then move your
>mouse around and click and etc.

  I already did this on your blog.

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At 07:56 PM 7/12/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:

>Check this out, turns out Buffy invented the phrase "bad hair day":
>
>http://phrases.shu.ac.uk/meanings/53900.html

Are you having a bad hair day, Sumant?

Betty

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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 16:22:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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It was not crowded at all.  The campground at Manzanita lake had quite a
few RV's, but mostly there weren't very many campers.

We stayed in a house/cabin at Child's Meadows.  It was dead there, felt
like a depressed area and I know the woman who was looking after things
was depressed personally.  ("This was supposed to be my retirement" -
said bitterly).

It was still spring.  The meadows were full of flowers and grasses.  The
weather was perfect.  There's something wrong with me:  I looked out
over the beautiful spacious sunlit flowery meadows and thought "I wish I
was in New York."

Ann

On Sat, 12 Jul 2003, Betty wrote:

> Ann, how was your trip?  We're planning the last week of July to be up
> there with the kids and other family members.  Was it crowded at the
> campgrounds?
>
> Betty
>

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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> What happened to her retirement?

My best guess is, they retired from some other live, took a bundle of
money, bought Child's Meadows Resort (offering cabins, RV hookups, motel
rooms and campgrounds) and planned on bringing in enough money so that she
wouldn't have to do every damned thing, and never get to step outside or
take a day off work.  Something like that.

> > It was still spring.  The meadows were full of flowers and grasses.  The
> > weather was perfect.  There's something wrong with me:  I looked out
> > over the beautiful spacious sunlit flowery meadows and thought "I wish I
> > was in New York."
>
> Why does that mean something is wrong with you?

:) ha ha ha ha you're RIGHT.

Ann

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On Saturday, July 12, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-07-12 | Adam Hartfield <adamh1@COMCAST.NET> writes:
>> > Subject: http://www2u.biglobe.ne.jp/~macopism/noct/data/
>> >
>> >
>> > This is fun.  Click on the above, then wait until it loads, then move your
>> > mouse around and click and etc.
>>
>> It's neat, yes, but WTF *is* it?

> "Art".

> Check this out, turns out Buffy invented the phrase "bad hair day":

> http://phrases.shu.ac.uk/meanings/53900.html

1992? No way.

Karen

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This is fun.  Click on the above, then wait until it loads, then move your
mouse around and click and etc.

Karen, who's presenting this?

Ann

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In a message dated 7/12/2003 7:56:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
<<
Check this out, turns out Buffy invented the phrase "bad hair day":

>>

Paul Reubens was the best part of that movie; his death scene is
priceless, but I can see why the vamps in the series turn to dust
when they die;  too big a chance for mugging.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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> > Karen, who's presenting this?
>
> It says in English on the right side side. Makoto
> Yanagisawa.
>
> Karen

Is that, then,a proper name?  And if so, what role
does he or she play in this?  It's really kind of
hypnotic.


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On Sat, 12 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>I wouldn't think you'd mind so much looking like a
>lady at services.

I normally - at our Choral Eucharist service - look like a choir member,
and I normally wear clothes that will be comfortable under choir robes -
so I do not usually look like a lady on Sunday mornings.

At 8:00, most people dress down, not up. (8:00 is Rite 1, no music.)

I'll manage...

Bethany

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At 04:43 PM 7/12/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > What happened to her retirement?
>
>My best guess is, they retired from some other live, took a bundle of
>money, bought Child's Meadows Resort (offering cabins, RV hookups, motel
>rooms and campgrounds) and planned on bringing in enough money so that she
>wouldn't have to do every damned thing, and never get to step outside or
>take a day off work.  Something like that.

Sounds like some of the people who come here and buy a B&B.  Surprise!

cwv

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This question arose at the Fest, but nobody (in the group of that
moment) knew the answer.  It arose when I thought that Adam was one of
the pod people and had inflicted podness on Bad Betty by doing something
to the back of her neck.  But now I don't think it was pod people --
i.e., I don't think it was "Invasion of the Body Snatchers."  It was a
movie that involved little red circles on backs of necks of the people
who had been turned into these strange people.  I just got back from a
party where some of us were sitting out on the patio talking about West
Nile Virus, which has hit the coast but hasn't made it to this part of
the state yet.  That reminded me of the Maine bugs, which reminded me of
BB's neck back and the question of the movie.  I mentioned it, and
several people in the group knew the movie but couldn't remember its
name.  One of them said it had been on tv just a few nights ago.  Do any
of you know?

A more serious question:  Has anybody heard from Alan today re Terry?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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In a message dated 7/12/2003 9:09:51 PM Central Daylight Time,
bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:
<<
http://www.thehungersite.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/CTDSites

>>

Just finished; I click almost every day.

Evelyn Duncan
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My reality check bounced.

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At 09:10 PM 7/12/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>A more serious question:  Has anybody heard from Alan today re Terry?

No, but I still have  a red mark on the back of my neck and also on my
waist line.

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At 10:10 PM 7/12/2003 -0400, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>In a message dated 7/12/2003 9:09:51 PM Central Daylight Time,
>bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:
><<
>http://www.thehungersite.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/CTDSites
>
> >>
>
>Just finished; I click almost every day.

You're good people, Evelyn.

B

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In a message dated 7/12/2003 9:14:59 PM Central Daylight Time,
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You're good people, Evelyn.

>>

I wish.

Evelyn Duncan
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> nights ago.  Do any
> of you know?
>
> A more serious question:  Has anybody heard from
> Alan today re Terry?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Natalie,

It's called "Pod People>, and we have it because we
got MST3M versions of it.  It was when Joel was there.
 One of the "stars" is Hugo Astral.  Apt, eh?


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Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> What shirt is it, anyway?

Some of us received those shirts from an anonymous benefactor a good
while back.  They were apparently sent to those of us who are whorish.
And that reminds me that I meant to do a better job of labeling the
picture of Bonniemae in her blue jumper with Adam standing there on that
alley corner -- the one I named something like "Whorish Behavior?"  I
was getting tired of picture-labeling and was also in a rush.  A better
label would've been something like "Blue-jumpered whore and her pimp."

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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In a message dated 7/12/2003 1:53:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
<<
Evelyn, if you're keeping the same provider, phone them up and tell
them you want the same deal they'd give to a new subscriber.
>>

If my contract were up, I'd get the same deal as a new one, but because
my contract isn't up, I have to pay full price.

Evelyn Duncan
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Karen Kay wrote:

> > It was still spring.  The meadows were full of flowers and grasses.  The
> > weather was perfect.  There's something wrong with me:  I looked out
> > over the beautiful spacious sunlit flowery meadows and thought "I wish I
> > was in New York."
>
> Why does that mean something is wrong with you?

Maybe sort of like "The Soote Season."  But not exactly.  Maybe she just
prefers cities, in which case nothing was wrong.

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On Saturday, July 12, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> > Karen, who's presenting this?
>>
>> It says in English on the right side side. Makoto
>> Yanagisawa.
>>
>> Karen

> Is that, then,a proper name?

You mean a personal name? Yes. First name, Makoto, last name,
Yanagisawa.

>   And if so, what role
> does he or she play in this?  It's really kind of
> hypnotic.

I think it was copyrighted to this person. I don't remember.

Karen

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Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> This is fun.  Click on the above, then wait until it loads, then move your
> mouse around and click and etc.

I got "click here to get the plugin" and was too impatient to do so.
But it reminded me of this e-mail I got sometime while I was on the
road:

>Go to Google and type in "weapons of mass
>destruction" and then hit "I'm feeling lucky."

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On Saturday, July 12, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> In a message dated 7/12/2003 1:53:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> <<
> Evelyn, if you're keeping the same provider, phone them up and tell
> them you want the same deal they'd give to a new subscriber.
>>>

> If my contract were up, I'd get the same deal as a new one, but because
> my contract isn't up, I have to pay full price.

Hm. Well, when my phone broke, I phoned up Sprint and said I wanted
the same deal, and they gave it to me. My contract was not up. You
should NOT have to pay full price for a new phone--it isn't fair.

Karen

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Yes.  I click every day when I'm at a computer.  Have you clicked this
one today?

http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/CTDSites.woa

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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In a message dated 7/12/2003 9:27:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
<<
You
should NOT have to pay full price for a new phone--it isn't fair.

>>

I know.  I've had to take care of everything by myself, as well as
work, study, and take care of Mom.
Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> It's called "Pod People>, and we have it because we
> got MST3M versions of it.  It was when Joel was there.
>  One of the "stars" is Hugo Astral.  Apt, eh?

So the movie itself is named "Pod People"?  That makes me feel better
for having it mixed up with "Invasion of the Body Snatchers," which also
involved pods, iirc.   Thanks!

Adam put the hex on BB's neck in the Voigtlanders' yard.  I saw him do
it.  He's a pod person, and now BB is one also.  Did anybody else get
podded in BH?  Just wait until next year's fest!  I bet podness will
grow rampantly.

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In a message dated 7/12/2003 9:29:23 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
<<
Yes.  I click every day when I'm at a computer.  Have you clicked this
one today?

http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/CTDSites.woa


>>

I click all five sites:  Hungersite, Animal Rescue, Rainforest, Child Health,
and Breast Cancer.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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At 9:05 AM -0700 7/10/03, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> No, no, Mazurka was a Russian composer -- you know,
>> the guy who wrote
>> _Pickles at an Eggs Benediction_.
>>
>> Ken Miller
>> Anacreontic Academy of Zymomusicology
>
>Terrible groaning and gnashing of teeth.


According to Bill S., the quality of mercy is not strained.  I make no such
claim regarding my puns.

Ken Miller
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The Lostin Times

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02003-07-12 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> I got "click here to get the plugin" and was too impatient to do so.
> But it reminded me of this e-mail I got sometime while I was on the
> road:
>
> >Go to Google and type in "weapons of mass
> >destruction" and then hit "I'm feeling lucky."

What if I am not feeling lucky?

I am off for some weapons of mass intoxication ... exported
by brogue states

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02003-07-12 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 7/12/2003 9:14:59 PM Central Daylight Time,
> bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:
> <<
> You're good people, Evelyn.
>
> >>
>
> I wish.

Then it is my command

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@pobox.com>
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02003-07-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Saturday, July 12, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-07-12 | Adam Hartfield <adamh1@COMCAST.NET> writes:
> >> > Subject: http://www2u.biglobe.ne.jp/~macopism/noct/data/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > This is fun.  Click on the above, then wait until it loads, then move your
> >> > mouse around and click and etc.
> >>
> >> It's neat, yes, but WTF *is* it?
>
> > "Art".
>
> > Check this out, turns out Buffy invented the phrase "bad hair day":
>
> > http://phrases.shu.ac.uk/meanings/53900.html
>
> 1992? No way.

Entries on this site seem to have a lot of painstaking and
responsible etymologizing--I just gave this as an example
of how incredibly lame "Buffy" etymologies can make anyone.
I only have one more thing to add: if the phrase existed
in isolated pockets before, it hit the *mainstream* after
it was introduced to the world in "Buffy".

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>
> I am off for some weapons of mass intoxication ...
> exported
> by brogue states

Ah, Massachusetts and New Hampshire.


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>I tried to explain to Carolyn that Wordslers Run Into Each Other, but
>she seemed doubtful.
>
>Karen

Did you tell her about Giggles and his <friends> at Zoofest?

I don't remember if you were there when Love, Judith and Her Paul were, by
sheer chance, seated next the rump session of Missionfesters, hours after
the communal dispersal and in a restaurant that Elwood had decided on
pretty much on the spur of the moment.

And then there's Lisa peeling into the motel at Snowbash just as Emily &
Co. were pulling out, and then managing to chase Emily's 4-Runner through
the snow, ice, and slush, including at least one U-turn of dubious legality.

On the other hand, there's Giggles getting completely separated from the
rest of the group at Zoofest.  YMMV.

Ken Miller
Department of Phatic Drivel
Bernard Chien Perro Memorial Institute for Words-L Studies

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In a message dated 7/12/2003 10:47:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
<<
it hit the *mainstream* after
it was introduced to the world in "Buffy".

>>

But Buffy the movie was not the hit that Buffy the TV series was.
One of the reasons Joss was glad to do the TV show was to
distance it from the movie; he did not like what the Kuzuis (the
movie producers) did to his story.

Evelyn Duncan
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In a message dated 7/12/2003 10:42:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
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<<
02003-07-12 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
>In a message dated 7/12/2003 9:14:59 PM Central Daylight Time,
>bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:
><<
>You're good people, Evelyn.
>
>>>
>
>I wish.

Then it is my command

>>

Just make me smarter; that's all I ask.

Evelyn Duncan
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--- Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM> wrote:
> At 9:05 AM -0700 7/10/03, Lynne Weber wrote:
> >> No, no, Mazurka was a Russian composer -- you
> know,
> >> the guy who wrote
> >> _Pickles at an Eggs Benediction_.
> According to Bill S., the quality of mercy is not
> strained.  I make no such
> claim regarding my puns.
>
> Ken Miller
> Paronomasic Correspondent
> The Lostin Times

Just as well.  Such a claim would carry no validity in
this quarter.

Lynne
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Nothing Better to Do


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>Here is another take on it: <http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_art>.
>
>Pete

For yet another perspective, there's "Art for Art's Sake" by The Bobs.

"Art, art for art's sake, I'd like you to meet my lawyer
Heart, heart like a snake, make a mistake and boy, your
    bones, bones gonna shake...."

"Truth, love and beauty
Give us your booty"

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>If my contract were up, I'd get the same deal as a new one, but because
>my contract isn't up, I have to pay full price.

Sounds like it doesn't make sense, Evelyn.  It'd probably be cheaper to
keep paying the contract and get a free phone with activation from another
carrier.  Heck, there are phones+activation at Amazon where the rebate is
$50-$150 *more* than the purchase price.

Heck, Amazon's got a Nokia 1260 (AT&T) for $0.01, *before* the $150 rebate;
even if you blew off the rebate, you could spend $0.01 (+$20 for charger,
etc.) for a phone you could use until your contract runs out.

You should call AT&T and ask them to make you a deal.  Cell phone companies
want to keep their customers and are willing to make to make it attractive
to do so.  Tell them you'll have to switch carriers, or offer to re-up your
contract term, or something.  But paying full price for a new phone just
doesn't compute.

Pete

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Hey, wait, Evelyn -- I've got three deactivated AT&T Nokia 8620's +
chargers from when we switched to Sprint.  They're a little worn
cosmetically, but still in great operating condition -- I just wanted to
get a Treo on Sprint.

They're going to get donated somewhere anyway; I'd be more than happy to
mail any or all of them to you.

Pete

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> Sandra writes,
>
> >The compressed file CLICK-ME- FIRST.exe within
> >C:\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-690823481-3745398772-3625570990-1006\Dc2.rar is
> >infected with the Trojan Horse virus.
>
> Yeah, what Karen said.
>
> I'd also make sure NAV was up-to-date -- I wouldn't be sure there isn't
> more junk on your computer.
>
> Do you have a firewall on your net connection?
>
> Pete

I do (now). But the infection is from before. I empty'd my recycle bin. That
may have worked. I'll let you know in the morning.

Sandra

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> This question arose at the Fest, but nobody (in the group of that
> moment) knew the answer.  It arose when I thought that Adam was one of
> the pod people and had inflicted podness on Bad Betty by doing something
> to the back of her neck.  But now I don't think it was pod people --
> i.e., I don't think it was "Invasion of the Body Snatchers."  It was a
> movie that involved little red circles on backs of necks of the people
> who had been turned into these strange people.  I just got back from a
> party where some of us were sitting out on the patio talking about West
> Nile Virus, which has hit the coast but hasn't made it to this part of
> the state yet.  That reminded me of the Maine bugs, which reminded me of
> BB's neck back and the question of the movie.  I mentioned it, and
> several people in the group knew the movie but couldn't remember its
> name.  One of them said it had been on tv just a few nights ago.  Do any
> of you know?

        This may be "The Puppet Masters," filmed in the 1980s in Iowa and based on a
Robert Heinlein story.  The aliens controlled human bodies by attaching
themselves to the neck and upper back.  I seem to recall the creatures leaving
red marks when they were removed, but I may be confusing it with something else.
  "It Conquered the World," for example, a film from the 1950s featuring little
flying things from the planet Venus that also attached themselves to the backs
of people's necks and controlled them.  But when the hero found the boss alien
that controlled the little aliens, it looked like a giant eggplant with eyes,
assuring the movie a berth in the Bad SF Movie Hall of Shame.

        "Pod People," on MST3K, was one of those movies that had been bought, retitled
and repackaged by a company that tried to make money doing such things; that was
not its original title, and there were in fact no pod people in it.  There was
one mostly harmless alien, and the story was a cheap "E.T." knockoff.

--
Take care,
Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>
No aliens here, nosiree

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On Sat, 12 Jul 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

>If my contract were up, I'd get the same deal as a new one, but because
>my contract isn't up, I have to pay full price.

How long did you <negotiate>? I had to buy a new cell phone recently -
eventually I go them to knock about $26 off the price - because my phone
was only 2 weeks out of warranty. I assume that was their markup.

Bethany

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Tom Lee wrote:

>         This may be "The Puppet Masters," filmed in the 1980s in Iowa and based on

No, it was definitely pre-'80s.

> themselves to the neck and upper back.  I seem to recall the creatures leaving
> red marks when they were removed, but I may be confusing it with something else.

These marks were there when the person had been <taken over> -- had
become a pod person or whatever.

>   "It Conquered the World," for example, a film from the 1950s featuring little
> flying things from the planet Venus that also attached themselves to the backs
> of people's necks and controlled them.  But when the hero found the boss alien
> that controlled the little aliens, it looked like a giant eggplant with eyes,
> assuring the movie a berth in the Bad SF Movie Hall of Shame.

This is a possibility.  I'm almost positive it was a '50s movie.

>         "Pod People," on MST3K, was one of those movies that had been bought, retitled
> and repackaged by a company that tried to make money doing such things; that was
> not its original title, and there were in fact no pod people in it.  There was
> one mostly harmless alien, and the story was a cheap "E.T." knockoff.

Hmm.  I'm going to have to watch all the '50s horror movies I can find
until I see the neckbacks that I'm remembering.

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Here's another possibility:

******************
 Implants and tiny probes
pushed into the back of the neck appeared in 1953's INVADERS FROM
MARS.... Implants are featured in IT CONQUERED THE WORLD.
******************
from: http://www.darkecho.com/skepticalbeliever/pitfalls.html


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11:10 11.07.2003 -0500 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>Ok, I just squirted them quickly onto the server.  No time to make an
>index page right now, but here's the raw listing:
>
>http://maynor.net/Acadiafest/

Very good - and I didn't realize that the architecture in Quebec was so Eorpoean looking. (But I have only been to Toronto and Kingston in Canada except for a shot landing on New Foundland in  1955, so I thought that Canada was more or les like the USA.)

Espen

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13:22 11.07.2003 -0400 skrev lisa alfieri:
>At 10:29 AM 7/11/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>
>>And this reminds me of a painting which was refused in the Paris Salon in
>>1863:
>>
>>http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/manet/dejeuner/
>
>Of course it was refused, it's freakin porn, man. This is the sorta stuff
>Hef would have put out if he were around at the time.
>
>Wait, how old is that walking embalment anyway? This could be an example of
>his early work.
>
>
>
>>>Hell, Alan, I think even your Bar Harbor snapshots are art.
>>I can't comment on that since I don't have access to the ftp-archive.
>
>Do I detect whining?

You do.

Espen

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13:27 11.07.2003 -0400 skrev Carolyn Ostrander:

>Espen, what web browser are you using? I couldn't load them
>either, until I broke down and opened a Microsoft product.
>Presumably a newer Netscape than ours here at the university
>might also handle it....

I have tried with IE 6.x - maybe I should try Opera?

Espen

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At 06:19 AM 7/13/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Here's another possibility:
>
>******************
>  Implants and tiny probes
>pushed into the back of the neck appeared in 1953's INVADERS FROM
>MARS.... Implants are featured in IT CONQUERED THE WORLD.
>******************
>from: http://www.darkecho.com/skepticalbeliever/pitfalls.html

Should I be worried? The back of my neck still has a bump.

B

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On Sunday, July 13, 2003, Espen S. Ore wrote:
> Very good - and I didn't realize that the architecture in Quebec was so Eorpoean looking.

Oh, yes, very. All over the province. Not exclusively, but there's a
lot of it.

Karen

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On Sunday, July 13, 2003, Betty wrote:
> Should I be worried? The back of my neck still has a bump.

So does my leg--and it still itches.

Karen

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"Espen S. Ore" wrote:

> Very good - and I didn't realize that the architecture in Quebec was so Eorpoean looking. (But I have only been to Toronto and Kingston in Canada except for a shot landing on New Foundland in  1955, so I thought that Canada was more or les like the USA.)

Quebec (city) feels/looks/sounds very European.  I love all of Canada
(or at least the seven? provinces I've visited), but, with apologies to
Tony, who has tried to explain important differences between the U.S.
and Canada, I have to admit that I do not feel that I'm in a different
country in most parts of Canada.  I do in Quebec (city) -- not so much
Montreal except for hearing French.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Betty wrote:

> Should I be worried? The back of my neck still has a bump.

It's the people around you who have to worry now that you are a pod
person.  You should probably pod Larry because I'm not sure how
compatible a couple is when one is podded and one isn't.  I need to see
that movie again to refresh my memory of what happens in such cases.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 08:39 AM 7/13/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Sunday, July 13, 2003, Betty wrote:
> > Should I be worried? The back of my neck still has a bump.
>
>So does my leg--and it still itches.

Those very likely are blackfly bites.  I got hit a few times that
Saturday.  Typically, the blackflies are gone by early July around here,
but the cool, wet spring and early summer allowed them to survive longer
and bring off a few more hatches.  There still are a few around although
not nearly the concentrations of mid-June.

Two things seem to help the itching:  Benadryl markets an "Itch Stick"
which is good.  If you don't want to mess with antihistamines, then try
Rhul-Gel.

cwv

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02003-07-12 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 7/12/2003 10:42:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
> scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
> <<
> 02003-07-12 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
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> >
> >>>
> >
> >I wish.
>
> Then it is my command
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> >>
>
> Just make me smarter; that's all I ask.

Smart or good?

You make the choice

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> >******************
> >  Implants and tiny probes
> >pushed into the back of the neck appeared in 1953's INVADERS FROM
> >MARS.... Implants are featured in IT CONQUERED THE WORLD.
> >******************
> >from: http://www.darkecho.com/skepticalbeliever/pitfalls.html
>
> Should I be worried? The back of my neck still has a bump.
>
> B

Thanks for the article.  Whether true or not,
I love UFOlogy.

P. S.  I have a lump in my neck.  They say
it is a lipoma.  But there is always the
possibility . . .

           - D. M.

         - D. M.

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Sandra writes,

>I do (now). But the infection is from before. I empty'd my recycle bin. That
>may have worked. I'll let you know in the morning.

Not to be alarmist, but given NAV not recognizing the infection, and a
couple of Google hits on <c:\recycler root-kit>, and the infection
happening before the firewall was in place, I would worry that the machine
was compromised in a way that might continue to go undetected:

Windows Root Kits a Stealthy Threat
<http://www.securityfocus.com/news/2879>

The firewall will help prevent future attacks, and will help limit the
problems if the box has been owned, but you'd have to screw down not just
the incoming but the outgoing connections pretty tight to be most
effective.  And even then, malware could slow down or screw up your box
even if its slavemaster can't contact the box anymore.

Call me paranoid, but 'twere me, I'd be eyeing the system and firewall logs
for a while, and unless I could get a comprehensive security audit that
gave it a clean bill of health, I'd be thinking about formatting the drive
and reinstalling the OS.

Pete

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Doris Markland wrote:

> P. S.  I have a lump in my neck.  They say
> it is a lipoma.  But there is always the
> possibility . . .

Maybe the whole list is turning into pods.  This could be interesting.

Meanwhile, I'm enjoying looking at the Visa bill that's in the pile of
mail that was waiting for me when I got home.  And I'll have fun next
month also since the trip went on after the cut-off date of this bill.
I'm remembering my wanderings as I look down the bill:  Bar Harbor
Quality Inn (the deposit -- the rest will be on the next bill); Exxon,
Fort Payne, AL; Super 8 Motel, Erwin, TN; Exxon, Pulaski, VA; Sunoco,
Enola, PA; Shell Oil, Providence, RI; Comfort Inn Ocean's Edge, Belfast,
ME; The Mache Bistro, Bar Harbor, ME; Bunny's Downeast Restaurant, Bar
Harbor, ME; Irving Mainway, Ellsworth, ME; Walmart, Ellsworth, ME (more
phone minutes upon departure from the area).  To be continued next
month...

Btw, Bonnie (are you reading?) -- since I think you said that the
Quality Inn people weren't your friends, I'll tell you that I discovered
via e-mail after I had left that my friends in WH had left four
telephone messages for me at the QI, zero of which I got.  That's ok
since my time was jammed and since they were having a crisis that
involved running back and forth to Portland, but I wanted to report so
that you can add that to your store of info about various lodgings in
the area -- for use in making plans for the many future Words-L fests
that we plan to have there...

--
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

>   It was a
> movie that involved little red circles on backs of necks of the people
> who had been turned into these strange people.

    That'd be "Invaders From Mars", but whether the [inferior] remake from
the 80s rather than the 50s original would be problematical.

JMW

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John Williams wrote:

>     That'd be "Invaders From Mars", but whether the [inferior] remake from
> the 80s rather than the 50s original would be problematical.

Definitely the original if this is indeed the movie.  I'm remembering
this movie from long before the '80s.  (All of the remakes I've seen of
'50s horror movies have been inferior, imho.  Actually, I can think of
only two that I've seen remakes of -- "The Thing" and "Invasion of the
Body Snatchers."  The only good thing about either of those remakes was
the including of the street scene of the original in the remake of
IotBS.)

Hmm.  I think I may make a visit to Movie Gallery in search of "Invaders
from Mars" or -- what was that other one?  "It Controls the World"?  I
bet they don't have any of the old horror movies, but it's worth a visit
to find out.  I may do that right now except that I can't remember
whether they're open on Sunday mornings.  Maybe I should wait until
after 12.

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This definitely sounds right!

********
When he returns [from investigating the aliens], some strange, chilling
change overtakes him, and a small scar is apparent on the back of his
neck. It is not long
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
before David's mother, too, comes under this contaminating influence.
********
from: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/3411/plot.htm

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> > What shirt is it, anyway?
>
> Some of us received those shirts from an anonymous benefactor a good
> while back.  They were apparently sent to those of us who are whorish.

Ah, I see. Well, not much... lol

>   A better
> label would've been something like "Blue-jumpered whore and her pimp."

Hmm, everyone seems to have their own visions what kind of list it is, or
should be. :)

Kristin

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No "Ivaders from Mars" at Movie Gallery or Video USA.
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Was Natalie's childish exit an example of stomping out
or flouncing out? Majority wins, so vote early!

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On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> Was Natalie's childish exit an example of stomping out
> or flouncing out? Majority wins, so vote early!

I don't suppose you could find and repost the data?  Also, the relevant
sections of MAKING IT EXPLICIT, so this will be an educated and refined
vote?

Ann

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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Subject: more 'art'
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'art' because they're old advertisements for Chicago Transit and some
people have a law that says ads can't be art.  I put one
hastily up for Anna Borinki but I like all of them.

I know a ninety-year old formerly German woman who hates all these
lithographic posters because I guess she saw too many in the 20's and
30's.  But I love them, partly because they remind me of old children's
book illustrations.

Anyway, here's the link:
http://www.chicago-l.org/ads/1920sPosters/index.html

Ann

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Ann Borkin writes,

>http://www.chicago-l.org/ads/1920sPosters/index.html

Reminds me to post <http://chicagouncommon.com/>, a site of one fan photos
of Chicago.

Pete

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On Sunday, July 13, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> 'art' because they're old advertisements for Chicago Transit and some
> people have a law that says ads can't be art.

Thank you. I want Alyce to be able to see these.:(

Karen

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> Was Natalie's childish exit an example of stomping out
> or flouncing out? Majority wins, so vote early!
>

I'd say copping out.
But maybe it was passing out.

           - D. M.

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> Call me paranoid, but 'twere me, I'd be eyeing the system and
> firewall logs
> for a while, and unless I could get a comprehensive security audit that
> gave it a clean bill of health, I'd be thinking about formatting the drive
> and reinstalling the OS.
>
> Pete

The virus was on before I loaded NV or my firewall (also Norton).

I'm clean now :)

Thanks to both of you.

Sandra

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On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>Was Natalie's childish exit an example of stomping out
>or flouncing out? Majority wins, so vote early!

no

Bethany

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On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:10:55 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander <cwv@PANAX.COM>
wrote:
>At 08:39 AM 7/13/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>On Sunday, July 13, 2003, Betty wrote:
>> > Should I be worried? The back of my neck still has a bump.
>>
>>So does my leg--and it still itches.
>
>Those very likely are blackfly bites.

Yeah. Paul warned me about this before we left. I didn't get any after Adam
sprayed me, got this one less than a minute before the spray hit.

>Two things seem to help the itching:  Benadryl markets an "Itch Stick"
>which is good.  If you don't want to mess with antihistamines, then try
>Rhul-Gel.

Rhuli. Which is now Band-Aid brand anti-itch gel.

For some reason, neither of these help as much as painting the bite with
liquid bandaid stuff. I have other souvenirs from my trip--some spider
bites.

Karen

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In a message dated 7/13/2003 9:49:33 AM Central Daylight Time,
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Smart or good?

You make the choice

>>

Smart.

You know what they say about good girls and bad girls.  :)
Evelyn Duncan
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In a message dated 7/12/2003 11:45:42 PM Central Daylight Time,
kaminski@ISTORI.COM writes:
<<
Heck, Amazon's got a Nokia 1260 (AT&T) for $0.01, *before* the $150 rebate;
even if you blew off the rebate, you could spend $0.01 (+$20 for charger,
etc.) for a phone you could use until your contract runs out.

>>

I've had a 1260; I don't believe that it's worth $150.  What I want is a
3360; that's
the one for which all the cool faceplates are made.

I'll call them when I get off work tomorrow.

Evelyn Duncan
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In a message dated 7/13/2003 12:03:12 AM Central Daylight Time,
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Hey, wait, Evelyn -- I've got three deactivated AT&T Nokia 8620's +
chargers from when we switched to Sprint.
>>

Specs, please.  I might take one of them.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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In a message dated 7/13/2003 5:59:44 AM Central Daylight Time,
dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU writes:
<<
How long did you <negotiate>?
>>

Didn't have any time to negotiate; Mom was waiting at the mall for me.
She can't travel by herself anymore.  :(

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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Friday's WSJ features "Barbecue Joints" - including The Little Dooey
(Starkville, Columbus, West Point and also Perdido Bay, FL). Do you eat
there? Sounds better than those slaw dogs you talk about.

"Shocker plates" range from 4.99 for a quarter-chicken to 9.50 for the
deep-fried pork ribs ribs - two sides (corn salad, turnip greens, etc.)
are included. There are also pulled pork and beef brisket.

Bethany

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On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

>How long did you <negotiate>?
>
>Didn't have any time to negotiate; Mom was waiting at the mall for me.
>She can't travel by herself anymore.  :(

Ah, it is possible to <begin> negotiations with only a few seconds
available - perhaps I shall offer a workshop ...

Bethany

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Just coming back from a weekend in the wilds of PA -
Alan, How are mother and son doing? You have really had your hands full!

clo


On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Alan Wild wrote:

> 'Done... She may be in for two overights; she's still kinda lethargic.
>
> When it rains, it pours:  Edward came down with a cough around the time of
> Bar Harbor, and today he developed a 101.9 fever... so the pediatrician
> listened to his lungs and suspected pneumonia... chest ex-rays were
> negative, but all this had to happen while Terry was in another wing of the
> hospital with William & Lillia visiting.  Jeez...  for a while there, I
> thought we were gonna begin to occupy a wing!  "Do you have any Queen-size,
> or larger beds?"
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> > In a message dated 7/11/2003 9:18:07 AM Central Daylight Time,
> awild@URI.EDU
> > writes:
> > <<
> > Terry has just been admitted to South County hospital for a day or so and
> an
> > IV of antibiotics.
> > >>
> >
>

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On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >Two things seem to help the itching:  Benadryl markets an "Itch Stick"
> >which is good.  If you don't want to mess with antihistamines, then try
> >Rhul-Gel.
>
> Rhuli. Which is now Band-Aid brand anti-itch gel.
>
> For some reason, neither of these help as much as painting the bite with
> liquid bandaid stuff. I have other souvenirs from my trip--some spider
> bites.
>

There's also a "sting stick" thing. It has, basically, ammonia - and if
you put a couple of drops of straight ammonia on an itchy bite (provided
you didn't scratch through the skin yet!!!) it works just as well for
almost free. We also use a baking soda paste for stings, which works
slower but is less likely to sting, itself.

clo
used to being bitten up, but only really reactive to no-see-um bites
and yellow-f'ing-jackets.

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... around 10am.  Ed broke his fever this afternoon.  I start scout camp
tomorrow with William, and Lillia and Ed will start the day off with the
Tot-Lot there.  They'll have fun; they tour all around and go swimming, etc.
Ter told me she can pick them up on her way home.

phew... It could'a killed her.  She had babesiosis.

Now all's well ;-)

'Alan

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> Now all's well ;-)
>
> 'Alan

Glad to hear it. :)

--Adam
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Alan Wild wrote:

> .... around 10am.  Ed broke his fever this afternoon.  I start scout camp
> tomorrow with William, and Lillia and Ed will start the day off with the
> Tot-Lot there.  They'll have fun; they tour all around and go swimming, etc.
> Ter told me she can pick them up on her way home.
>
> phew... It could'a killed her.  She had babesiosis.
>
> Now all's well ;-)
>
> 'Alan
>

Geez, glad the danger's over! I bet she will be tired for a couple of
days.

Have fun at Boy Scout camp - some of my fondest memories come from there!
clo

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In a message dated 7/13/2003 7:54:44 PM Central Daylight Time,
scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
<<
"Good" choice!

>>

So, if I had said "good," that would have been the "smart" choice?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

>Have fun at Boy Scout camp - some of my fondest memories come from there!

Clo, please tell us about your days at Boy Scout Camp.

Bethany

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02003-07-13 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 7/13/2003 9:49:33 AM Central Daylight Time,
> scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
> <<
> Smart or good?
>
> You make the choice
>
> >>
>
> Smart.

"Good" choice!

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--- Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> wrote:
> In a message dated 7/13/2003 5:59:44 AM Central
> Daylight Time,
> dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU writes:
> <<
> How long did you <negotiate>?
> >>
>
> Didn't have any time to negotiate; Mom was waiting
> at the mall for me.
> She can't travel by herself anymore.  :(
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> My reality check bounced.


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> Ah, it is possible to <begin> negotiations with only
> a few seconds
> available - perhaps I shall offer a workshop ...
>
> Bethany

Atta girl.  A blood relationship is a minor hurdle;
step back, Mom.


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Evelyn Duncan writes,

>I've had a 1260; I don't believe that it's worth $150.

You didn't read carefully enough -- it *costs* $0.01, and they give you a
$150 rebate on new activation.

>Specs, please.  I might take one of them.

Sorry, number dyslexia -- they're 8260's:
<http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/8260>.

If I send you the extra ones, you'll have spare batteries... :).

Pete

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On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> >Have fun at Boy Scout camp - some of my fondest memories come from there!
>
> Clo, please tell us about your days at Boy Scout Camp.
>
> Bethany
>

Ooh, this could be fun.
Ponder...
straight facts, or exaggeration and innuendo ala Pecos Bill, as taught by
the Scoutmaster?
I'll have to sleep on this.

clo

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In a message dated 7/13/2003 9:08:59 PM Central Daylight Time,
kaminski@ISTORI.COM writes:
<<
If I send you the extra ones, you'll have spare batteries... :).
>>

How much do you want for it?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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At 01:10 PM 7/13/2003 -0700, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>Ann Borkin writes,
>
>>http://www.chicago-l.org/ads/1920sPosters/index.html
>
>Reminds me to post <http://chicagouncommon.com/>, a site of one fan photos
>of Chicago.

We should have a fest in Chicago sometime.

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From: "Samuel Rhoney" <samuelrhoney@netscape.net>
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From: Mr. Samuel Rhoney
Tel: 0031-619-310-577
Amsterdam, The Netherlands

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am an accountant and a member of the Contract Tender Board (CTB) of the Petroleum, Oil & Gas Corporation of South Africa (PTY) Ltd. also known as PetroSa. I am presently on a special diplomatic duty in the South Africa foreign office in Amsterdam, the Netherlands. I got your contact through discreet inquiries in my search for a reliable individual or company who can handle a strictly confidential transaction that involves the transfer of a reasonable sum of money to a foreign account. I have no doubt in your ability to handle a financial business of considerable amount, which will form the bedrock of an extensive business partnership in due course. In unfolding this proposal, I want to count on your status that you will handle this transaction with all maturity and confidentiality it deserves.

The money we want to transfer to your account amount to a total sum of US$15,500,000.00 (Fifteen Million, Five Hundred Thousand United States Dollars) only. It was extracted from various over-invoiced contracts, masterminded by myself and some of my colleagues for our mutual benefit when the contracts was awarded by the Contracts Tender Board (CTB) of the Petroleum, Oil & Gas Corporation of South Africa (PTY) Ltd. The above over-invoiced sum has been drafted and short-listed for final payment to a foreign bank account and it has been reflected as an amount to be paid to a foreign contractor for contract that has been executed for the Petroleum, Oil & Gas Corporation of Africa (PTY) Ltd. The money is currently floating in the suspense account of the South Africa Reserve Bank (SARB) awaiting claim by a foreign partner, which status we absolutely want you to assume. The code of conduct bureau in South Africa has made it an offence for civil servants like us to (A) operate a for!
eign account (B) own a foreign company and ( C ) take up contract while Still in active service. This is why we need your assistance.

Now is the optimum period to realize this fund following the recent directive given to all-federal parastatals and corporations to pay off foreign debts. I therefore seek your assistance to allow the remittance of this fund to be made to your personal or company bank account. We have agreed 30% of the total sum will be given to you, 5% for any expenses that shall be incurred during this transaction and 65% will be for me and my colleagues after the successful transference of the fund to your bank account.

I want to assure you that all modalities for the successful transfer of this money to your account has been perfectly worked out and as such, there is no fear of failure. However, I would want to believe that you are honest enough and will not raise any misgiving attitude in any aspect of the transaction. Most importantly, you will keep this transaction very confidential so as not to tarnish the confidence reposed on these officials by the nations financial house.

If this business proposal interest you, kindly indicate your willingness to me through e-mail or telephone number provided above for immediate commencement of the transaction. To enable this fund to be successfully transferred to your account, you will also have to provide the following information:
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2. Your private telephone, fax numbers for easy communication
3. Your Bank name, address and account number where you would want the money remitted.

More information about the remittance of the fund to your account will be sent to you when I receive your response. Meanwhile your swift response will help us meet the ultimatum given to all foreign contractors in this payment quarter to ensure that funds are claimed.

We also wish to discuss investment strategy with you. We have the plan of investing part of the funds in real estate with your assistance in your country.

Please, treat this information as confidential.

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On Sunday, July 13, 2003, Betty wrote:
> At 01:10 PM 7/13/2003 -0700, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>>Ann Borkin writes,
>>
>>>http://www.chicago-l.org/ads/1920sPosters/index.html
>>
>>Reminds me to post <http://chicagouncommon.com/>, a site of one fan photos
>>of Chicago.

> We should have a fest in Chicago sometime.

Easy to get to, but hot, hot, hot, and humid.

Karen

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If ya wanna, check out my latest eBay offering, which
is getting some nice action.

       item #  3536717269 


                    - D. M.

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Thank God she got treatment when she did!  I'm glad to hear that she is
now doing well...and yes, she should try to get all the rest she can.

Rita L.

Alan Wild wrote:

>
>phew... It could'a killed her.  She had babesiosis.
>
>Now all's well ;-)
>
>'Alan
>
>

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Alan Wild wrote:

> ... around 10am.  Ed broke his fever this afternoon.

And no pneumonia whatsoever!

> I start scout camp
> tomorrow with William, and Lillia and Ed will start the day off with the
> Tot-Lot there.  They'll have fun; they tour all around and go swimming, etc.
> Ter told me she can pick them up on her way home.
>
> phew... It could'a killed her.  She had babesiosis.
>
> Now all's well ;-)

Great news! Glad to read about them.

Kristin

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19:33 11.07.2003 -0700 skrev Lynne Weber:
>Marie, you should have absorbed enough European and
>African light to have ceased being translucent, and
>become nearly iridescent.

That book is banned in many places, I believe.

Espen

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22:43 11.07.2003 -0500 skrev Karen Kay:
>I scored 14!

I scored 7.

Espen

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>
> phew... It could'a killed her.  She had babesiosis.
>
> Now all's well ;-)
>
> 'Alan

    That's good to hear!  Pretty oogly boog, especially for being "mostly
asymtomatic".  8-/

JMW

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Tushar maundered:
> > Was Natalie's childish exit an example of stomping out
> > or flouncing out?

As Jimmy Buffett would say---It doesn't matter, and what if it did?

cwv

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From: Neal Traven <beisbol@ALUMNI.PITT.EDU>
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On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 10:53:37 -0700, Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> wrote:

>At 09:21 AM 7/7/2003 -0700, Sharon Ziperovich wrote:
>>I'm going to be entertaining my new brother-in-law and sisters-in-law
>>until the 16th.  So please do something on the 17th that I can attend.
>>I'm very happy to drive to where Myles is because I love the long chats in
>>the car with Ken.  That's when he catches me up on all the stuff that
>>flies over my head, like those subtle list romances.  I'll bet Bookrat
>>knew.
>
>Okay.  Janet isn't going to be in town that week end. Ken, will you be
>free? Anyone else?
>Do you have suggestions for her visit, Sharon?
>
>Betty

Mid-August, eh?

Left Coasters from places other than the Bay Area might be fishable for such
an event.

Comments on other recent events at some other time ... I just got back from
my own 12-days of travel, to four heretofore-unvisited states plus the SABR
meeting.

neal

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At 08:03 PM 7/13/2003 -0400, Alan Wild wrote:
>... around 10am.  Ed broke his fever this afternoon.  I start scout camp
>tomorrow with William, and Lillia and Ed will start the day off with the
>Tot-Lot there.  They'll have fun; they tour all around and go swimming, etc.
>Ter told me she can pick them up on her way home.
>
>phew... It could'a killed her.  She had babesiosis.
>
>Now all's well ;-)

OK, now you can draw a deeep breath.

cwv

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On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> Was Natalie's childish exit an example of stomping out
> or flouncing out? Majority wins, so vote early!
>

no.
clo

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I am back from Ottawa after four days in the arms of my sweetie. Life is good.
 
Did I miss anything important?
 
BrP

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On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> >Have fun at Boy Scout camp - some of my fondest memories come from there!
>
> Clo, please tell us about your days at Boy Scout Camp.
>
> Bethany
>

Though I struggled much over the opportunity, here are the bald facts:

I grew up in a small town without any organizations for girls except FHA
(Future Homemakers of America). My dad was the scoutmaster. By the time I
was 11 or so I had learned all the knots, etc. for badges and classes up
through 1st class, although of course girls are not officially permitted
to join the Boy Scouts - apparently we are also a perversion, as proved in
Biblical writings.

The only thing (besides growing nonessential body parts) I couldn't do
that would qualify me for 1st class was attend the group camping
experiences. But wait! fate, in the form of Ticonderoga Boy Scout Camp,
intervened - though I couldn't sleep in the same cabins as the boys,
there was an area set aside for the families of Scoutmasters, and I did
indeed camp there two summers. We built fires, dealt with rain and bugs,
and hiked in the woods along the NY/PA border.

We even joined the scouts at the table and for campfires, on occasion.
This is where I heard (some scoutmasters having very little discretion)
some of my first dirty jokes. Some of my most enduring memories, though,
are of a 6-yr old scoutson, whose mother was suffering from postpartum
depression after the birth of her third kid, and stayed in the tent all
day. I don't believe this kid ever wore clothes the whole two weeks we
knew him. He seemed to subsist chiefly on toast dripping with butter and
cinnamon sugar, which I learned from him to butter on both sides.

I learned an enormous amount from scouting - including cross-country
orienteering and map-reading (it's not a guy thing after all); fire
starting and fire safety; outdoor cooking (came in handy when, as a hippie
chick, I baked bread in a zinc washtub set up next to a campfire); how to
handle an axe, jackknife, and chainsaw; identification of trees, edible
plants, wildflowers, reptiles, insects, and animal tracks; building
temporary shelters; and knots.

Can't remember everything I did, but it comes in astonishingly handy still
in odd moments - for instance, at Rita's campfire, or when bored with the
most obvious route to anywhere.

clo

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On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:

> I am back from Ottawa after four days in the arms of my sweetie. Life
> is good.
>
> Did I miss anything important?
>
> BrP
>

Dramatic rescue of Terry from the (tick) jaws of death - antibiotics are a
wonderful, wonderful invention.

Most everyone made it back from AcadiaFest in one piece. Clyde and Bonnie
can never be sufficiently thanked for their hosting, but are probably sick
of being told about it by now. Ann Borkin has taken up the cry, "what
happened in BH stays in BH".

Lisa is trying to determine if she <really> looks like she could hurt
someone. (She doesn't to me, but I won't tell her so till she worries some
more). Natalie has talked about other topics than cell phones.

You are still a sweet polenta.

clo

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On Monday, July 14, 2003, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>> Was Natalie's childish exit an example of stomping out
>> or flouncing out? Majority wins, so vote early!
>>

> no.

I'll second that.

Karen

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On Friday, July 11, 2003 at 20:38, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> What are Hazmats?  I googled and saw that it was something about
> hazardous material.  But that doesn't fit with my context exactly.

http://groups.google.com/groups?&q=kestenbaum+hazmat+group%3Abit.lists
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> Somewhere on my drive home, either in Pennsylvania or West Virginia,
> suddenly signs started popping up saying "No Hazmats!"  The signs were
> like the usual highway signs that warn you of deer or moose or icy
> bridges or sharp turns or runaway truck ramps.  The huge number of these
> "No Hazmats!" signs in a small number of miles made me think that this
> was something a motorist needed to take heed of.  I kept wondering how
> the lack of hazmats might affect my life.  I assumed that it meant I
> should drive especially carefully since there were no hazmats to save me
> if I screwed up.
>
> So what were those signs about?

Either warnings to trucks carrying hazmats that they were not
permitted on this road (or more likely, would have to turn back at
some point because a bridge or tunnel or something that they would
have to use did not permit them), or signs put up by a local protest
group or municipality protesting some plan for a hazmat dump or the
like in the area.

Tony H.

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On Friday, July 11, 2003 at 22:37, Karen Kay wrote:

> >>>ftp://wordslur:FullM00n@ftp.mis.uri.edu/acadiafest
>
> > Does it take everyone forever to view these?  The couple that I looked at
> > are great but they are HUGE and take a while.
> > Betty
>
> They are HUGE. I don't have a big enough monitor--only 19".

My retinas are a lot smaller than 19", but somehow they manage to
take in huge pictures. I mean, entire mountain ranges and such.

You must upgrade!

Tony H.

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On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Espen S. Ore wrote:

> 13:27 11.07.2003 -0400 skrev Carolyn Ostrander:
>
> >Espen, what web browser are you using? I couldn't load them
> >either, until I broke down and opened a Microsoft product.
> >Presumably a newer Netscape than ours here at the university
> >might also handle it....
>
> I have tried with IE 6.x - maybe I should try Opera?
>
> Espen

Yeah, then that's not it. I'm no help.
clo

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>United is still looking for my wardrobe - I will postpone my Atlanta
>shopping trip for a bit.
>
>Bethany
>

I wonder did it go to Australia without which is illegal.


alec

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On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>>United is still looking for my wardrobe - I will postpone my Atlanta
>>shopping trip for a bit.
>
>I wonder did it go to Australia without which is illegal.

I'm beginning to wonder that - it's been almost a full week now.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>
> >>United is still looking for my wardrobe - I will postpone my Atlanta
> >>shopping trip for a bit.
> >
> >I wonder did it go to Australia without which is illegal.
>
> I'm beginning to wonder that - it's been almost a full week now.
>
> Bethany

I was told at Albany that they loose up to 500 pieces of luggage
a day since 9/11. Something about security/more handling.
clo

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http://www.laughinglibrarian.com/koans_new.htm

Ann

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Alan Wild
>Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 8:04 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Ter's slated to get out tomorrow morning...
>
>
>... around 10am.  Ed broke his fever this afternoon.  I start
>scout camp
>tomorrow with William, and Lillia and Ed will start the day
>off with the
>Tot-Lot there.  They'll have fun; they tour all around and go
>swimming, etc.
>Ter told me she can pick them up on her way home.
>
>phew... It could'a killed her.  She had babesiosis.
>
>Now all's well ;-)
>
>'Alan
>

Yucky

http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic49.htm


alec

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I reckon ah is boarding up her windows
bout now.

                   - D. M.

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02003-07-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Monday, July 14, 2003, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> > On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >> Was Natalie's childish exit an example of stomping out
> >> or flouncing out? Majority wins, so vote early!
> >>
>
> > no.
>
> I'll second that.

Thanks to people like you, K-R-N, society keeps running!

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02003-07-14 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >> United just called - my luggage is at the Knoxville airport! Hola! I'll
> >> pick it up just before 6 p.m.
> >
> >They wouldn't bring it to you?!
>
> I would not let them for the world!

Do you insist?

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bethany K. Dumas
>Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 4:12 PM
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>
>
>United just called - my luggage is at the Knoxville airport! Hola! I'll
>pick it up just before 6 p.m.
>
>Bethany
>

Good deal. You might be able tell where your bag went from the tags on it.


alec

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On Monday, July 14, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-07-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Monday, July 14, 2003, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>> > On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>> >> Was Natalie's childish exit an example of stomping out
>> >> or flouncing out? Majority wins, so vote early!
>> >>
>>
>> > no.
>>
>> I'll second that.

> Thanks to people like you, K-R-N, society keeps running!

In spite of people like you.

Karen

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On Monday, July 14, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> http://www.laughinglibrarian.com/koans_new.htm

I guess I shouldn't have looked.

Karen

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On Monday, July 14, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> United just called - my luggage is at the Knoxville airport! Hola! I'll
> pick it up just before 6 p.m.

They wouldn't bring it to you?!

Karen

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On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> United just called - my luggage is at the Knoxville airport! Hola! I'll
>> pick it up just before 6 p.m.
>
>They wouldn't bring it to you?!

I would not let them for the world!

Bethany

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On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>>United just called - my luggage is at the Knoxville airport! Hola! I'll
>>pick it up just before 6 p.m.
>>
>
>Good deal. You might be able tell where your bag went from the tags on it.

Yes - I have been wishing that I had placed a recording device or
tracking device on it or in it. GPS or something.

Bethany

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@pobox.com>
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02003-07-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Monday, July 14, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-07-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> On Monday, July 14, 2003, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> >> > On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >>
> >> >> Was Natalie's childish exit an example of stomping out
> >> >> or flouncing out? Majority wins, so vote early!
> >> >>
> >>
> >> > no.
> >>
> >> I'll second that.
>
> > Thanks to people like you, K-R-N, society keeps running!
>
> In spite of people like you.

You know we are going to win one day ...

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From: "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
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United just called - my luggage is at the Knoxville airport! Hola! I'll
pick it up just before 6 p.m.

Bethany

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02003-07-14 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> http://www.laughinglibrarian.com/koans_new.htm

It's neat, yes, but WTF *is* it?

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02003-07-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Monday, July 14, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > http://www.laughinglibrarian.com/koans_new.htm
>
> I guess I shouldn't have looked.

Yeah, K-R-N, it says "For Librarians" right up there! DUH!

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On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> On Monday, July 14, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > http://www.laughinglibrarian.com/koans_new.htm
>
> I guess I shouldn't have looked.
>

Well they're not that funny, really, it's just, I don't know, on the
business librarian's list they're getting all twisted up about librarian
stereotypes and I wish I could put a koan like stop to it, just STOP and
no sequitor, know what I mean,  sound of no hands slapping, something like that.

Do you find Rahul very sluggish and ill-behaved today?

Ann

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02003-07-14 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> > On Monday, July 14, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> > > http://www.laughinglibrarian.com/koans_new.htm
> >
> > I guess I shouldn't have looked.
>
> Well they're not that funny, really, it's just, I don't know, on the
> business librarian's list they're getting all twisted up about librarian
> stereotypes and I wish I could put a koan like stop to it, just STOP and
> no sequitor, know what I mean,  sound of no hands slapping, something
> like that.
>
> Do you find Rahul very sluggish and ill-behaved today?

You have excelled at missing the point, again.

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My luggage probably had a more interesting week than I did. I was tending
to business, finding financial papers, putting stuff on the web, etc. My
bag traveled to Los Angeles - where it was inspected - and was eventually
rushed back to me today. God only knows what it did for a week in LA.

Everything seems to be intact. I am glad I took the precaution of putting
most things in clear plastic bags.

I plan never to check luggage again. I'll try to get by with what I am
willing to schlep through airports.

Bethany

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On Monday, July 14, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> I plan never to check luggage again. I'll try to get by with what I am
> willing to schlep through airports.

Glad to see you're not overreacting or anything!

Karen

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On Monday, July 14, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> Well they're not that funny, really, it's just, I don't know, on the
> business librarian's list they're getting all twisted up about librarian
> stereotypes and I wish I could put a koan like stop to it, just STOP and
> no sequitor, know what I mean,  sound of no hands slapping, something like that.

sequitur

> Do you find Rahul very sluggish and ill-behaved today?

No, but I haven't played with him much. I've been very busy telling
people all about my fabulous trip and how much it meant to us to spend
time with our evil twins.

Karen

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On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>> >> United just called - my luggage is at the Knoxville airport! Hola! I'll
>> >> pick it up just before 6 p.m.
>> >
>> >They wouldn't bring it to you?!
>>
>> I would not let them for the world!
>
>Do you insist?

On not? Yes. (No negotiation.)

Bethany

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> My luggage probably had a more interesting week than I did. I was
tending
> to business, finding financial papers, putting stuff on the web, etc.
My
> bag traveled to Los Angeles - where it was inspected - and was
eventually
> rushed back to me today. God only knows what it did for a week in LA.
>
> Everything seems to be intact. I am glad I took the precaution of
putting
> most things in clear plastic bags.
>
> I plan never to check luggage again. I'll try to get by with what I am
> willing to schlep through airports.
>
> Bethany

Aw, chances are it will never happen again.
Don't commit yourself to lugging your luggage.
It's exhausting.  Furthermore, people will kill
you with dagger-looks when you shuffstumble
down the aisle and then take ten minutes trying
to stuff all your stuff in the overhead while they
wait in the aisle . . and then get to their seat and
find all the overhead space taken by a few
people who don't ever check luggage.
Weekend stuff okay.  But going for a week or
two, go comfortable and be kind to your
fellow travelers.

I have now opined.  Oh my goodness, I sound
like Bill OReilly.

           - D. M.

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02003-07-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Monday, July 14, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > Well they're not that funny, really, it's just, I don't know, on the
> > business librarian's list they're getting all twisted up about librarian
> > stereotypes and I wish I could put a koan like stop to it, just STOP and
> > no sequitor, know what I mean,  sound of no hands slapping, something
> > like that.
>
> sequitur

You could be a business librarian with all that twisting up, K-R-N.

> > Do you find Rahul very sluggish and ill-behaved today?
>
> No, but I haven't played with him much. I've been very busy telling
> people all about my fabulous trip and how much it meant to us to spend
> time with our evil twins.

With behavior like this it's a wonder society keeps running.

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On Monday, July 14, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> Right. This is a simple executive decision! Actually, except for last
> year's trip to Vancouver, it had been years since I had checked anything.
> I broke my pattern when I checked this bag - and I debated a long time
> before I did it.

Well, don't travel on Northwest, then.

Karen

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On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> I plan never to check luggage again. I'll try to get by with what I am
>> willing to schlep through airports.
>
>Glad to see you're not overreacting or anything!

Right. This is a simple executive decision! Actually, except for last
year's trip to Vancouver, it had been years since I had checked anything.
I broke my pattern when I checked this bag - and I debated a long time
before I did it.

Bethany

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On Monday, July 14, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-07-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Monday, July 14, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>> > Well they're not that funny, really, it's just, I don't know, on the
>> > business librarian's list they're getting all twisted up about librarian
>> > stereotypes and I wish I could put a koan like stop to it, just STOP and
>> > no sequitor, know what I mean,  sound of no hands slapping, something
>> > like that.
>>
>> sequitur

> You could be a business librarian with all that twisting up, K-R-N.

Thank you!

>> > Do you find Rahul very sluggish and ill-behaved today?
>>
>> No, but I haven't played with him much. I've been very busy telling
>> people all about my fabulous trip and how much it meant to us to spend
>> time with our evil twins.

> With behavior like this it's a wonder society keeps running.

Society ran fine without me for two weeks, it will keep going a bit
longer.

Karen

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@pobox.com>
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02003-07-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Monday, July 14, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-07-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> On Monday, July 14, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> >> > Well they're not that funny, really, it's just, I don't know, on the
> >> > business librarian's list they're getting all twisted up about librarian
> >> > stereotypes and I wish I could put a koan like stop to it, just STOP and
> >> > no sequitor, know what I mean,  sound of no hands slapping, something
> >> > like that.
> >>
> >> sequitur
>
> > You could be a business librarian with all that twisting up, K-R-N.
>
> Thank you!

No, thank YOU!

> >> > Do you find Rahul very sluggish and ill-behaved today?
> >>
> >> No, but I haven't played with him much. I've been very busy telling
> >> people all about my fabulous trip and how much it meant to us to spend
> >> time with our evil twins.
>
> > With behavior like this it's a wonder society keeps running.
>
> Society ran fine without me for two weeks, it will keep going a bit
> longer.

Oh I agree ... it's WITH you that's the problem ...

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On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>Well, don't travel on Northwest, then.

Why not? (I do occasionally.)

Bethany

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I never travel with more than one large bag (checkable, if one wants to)
plus a smaller one that can, if necessary, hold my purse as well as
whatever else is in it. So I have only one bag to put in a luggage
compartment - overhead or wherever. The other one fits under the seat. I
don't see the problem. On many domestic flights, one can check a bag at
the gate - i.e., watch it be put on the airplane and retrieve it as soon
as the airplane lands.

Bethany

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It's mostly cloudy.  The sky in the west is sort of a golden peach color;
with the clouds, I suspect those who motored up Cadillac to see the sunset
will be a bit disappointed (save for the dedicated photographers who will
find the light interesting).  The sea breeze kicked in late this afternoon;
my guess is that sweatshirts and/or windbreakers are welcome this evening
atop Cadillac.

After the rush of the 4th weekend, things slowed down in the village but
now things are picking up again.  More traffic, more bicyclists, etc.  The
summer season seems to be here now in deadly earnest.

As I was tending the grill tonight (corn, chicken breasts), two crows held
court in the branches of the willow overhead.  Whatever they were
discussing must have been pleasant.  The calls were muted, not the raucous
"something down there disturbs me" call that crow sentries often give.  The
finches are still around---I'm not sure whether they still are maintaining
the nest in the cedar near the deck or if they have opted for more peaceful
surroundings.  We're supposed to get rain tomorrow and then perhaps some
showers Wednesday morning as we motor down to Port Clyde to catch the boat
to Monhegan Island.

cwv

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At 03:17 PM 7/14/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:

>Thanks to people like you, K-R-N, society keeps running!

YaY

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At 08:16 PM 7/14/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>surroundings.  We're supposed to get rain tomorrow and then perhaps some
>showers Wednesday morning as we motor down to Port Clyde to catch the boat
>to Monhegan Island.
>
>cwv

Have a wonderful time. I hope Bonnie takes her digital camera.

Betty

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02003-07-13 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 7/13/2003 7:54:44 PM Central Daylight Time,
> scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
> <<
> "Good" choice!
> >>
>
> So, if I had said "good," that would have been the "smart" choice?

Sorry, I am not smart enough to figure that out.

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> >They wouldn't bring it to you?!
>
> I would not let them for the world!
>
> Bethany

I suppose this mean the trip to Atlanta is off, or at
least postponed.  Negotiation is not bicycle riding,
you know.  Have a go at getting the airline to
recompense you for mental agony.


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02003-07-14 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 03:17 PM 7/14/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >Thanks to people like you, K-R-N, society keeps running!
>
> YaY

Did anyone axe you? Because I must have missed that post!

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02003-07-13 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>On Sunday, July 13, 2003, Betty wrote:
>>At 01:10 PM 7/13/2003 -0700, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>>>Ann Borkin writes,
>>>
>>>>http://www.chicago-l.org/ads/1920sPosters/index.html
>>>
>>>Reminds me to post <http://chicagouncommon.com/>, a site of one fan photos
>>>of Chicago.
>
>> We should have a fest in Chicago sometime.
>
>Easy to get to, but hot, hot, hot, and humid.

All NON-lamerz are welcome in July!

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At 08:17 PM 7/14/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:

>All NON-lamerz are welcome in July!

Rashmi, are you listening?

B

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> You have excelled at missing the point, again.

If all the points are wrapped in myriad muddled
mysteries, what's the point?


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Bethany wrote:

> Friday's WSJ features "Barbecue Joints" - including The Little Dooey
> (Starkville, Columbus, West Point and also Perdido Bay, FL). Do you eat
> there? Sounds better than those slaw dogs you talk about.

Bbq is bbq, and hotdogs are hotdogs.  Different experiences.  Yes, I've
eaten at Little Dooey.  I'm surprised to see that it has spread beyond
Starkville.  I had no idea of that.  Its original place (still existing,
of course) is a couple of blocks from my previous house.  I knew they
had added another Starkville location plus a trailer thing to sell it at
odd locations on football weekends or whatever.  But I did not know that
it had moved to other towns.  I don't consider it the best bbq in town
by any means, but the ESPN people seem to love it.  They often talk
about it on the air when sports events are here.

--
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> Bbq is bbq, and hotdogs are hotdogs.  Different experiences.  Yes, I've
> eaten at Little Dooey.  I'm surprised to see that it has spread beyond
> Starkville.  I had no idea of that.  Its original place (still existing,
> of course) is a couple of blocks from my previous house.  I knew they
> had added another Starkville location plus a trailer thing to sell it at
> odd locations on football weekends or whatever.  But I did not know that
> it had moved to other towns.  I don't consider it the best bbq in town
> by any means, but the ESPN people seem to love it.  They often talk
> about it on the air when sports events are here.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Did I mention I tried deep-fried Twinkies at the Marin County Fair? They put
a dollop of whipped cream and chocolate syrup (or raspberry sauce) on it. I
split it with my friend. Basically, it's a donut, but already filled before
frying.

My favorite Fair Food will always be Corndogs.

Sandra

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Tony wrote:

> > They are HUGE. I don't have a big enough monitor--only 19".
>
> My retinas are a lot smaller than 19", but somehow they manage to
> take in huge pictures. I mean, entire mountain ranges and such.

Those pictures are huge, though -- as in you have to scroll around.  I
did find when I was in my office today that Internet II makes an
enormous difference.  They loaded like lightning.  But they still
required a good bit of scrolling.

--
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> I plan never to check luggage again. I'll try to get by with what I am
> willing to schlep through airports.

Our attitudes are quite different.  I've always hated carry-on luggage
-- never do it normally -- carry on just a purse.  Did have to do it, of
course, when I moved to Japan for a year and then home -- had to
maximize what I could take.  Since 9/11, I've not flown much -- not
because of 9/11, just because that's how it has turned out.  But I for
sure don't want to do carry-on-only in the post 9/11 environment since
there are many things you can put in checked luggage that you can't
carry on.  I would be afraid that <serious possessions> would be
confiscated if I did carry-on.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Monday, July 14, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>Well, don't travel on Northwest, then.

> Why not? (I do occasionally.)

They allow one carryon bag, and that's only a teeny one. It's one of
the things I like about them.

Karen

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On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>I suppose this mean the trip to Atlanta is off, or at >least postponed.
Negotiation is not bicycle riding, >you know.  Have a go at getting the
airline to >recompense you for mental agony.

I am rethinking Atlanta. I will have to go there on business soon, and I
will probably shop then. I just finished unpacking, re-ironing, etc.

I am sorry to hear that negotiation is not bike riding. I plan to buy a
bike soon, and I had hoped to use my negotiating experience in my new
activity. Oh, well ...

Re mental agony - I'll let that go if I can get some return on the $785
part of the ticket that United says it will not refund (that part was a
credit from another ticket) ... I think I will begin with a letter to
their pres ... my agent has done all she can do, she says ... and I
suspect that she has ... after all, she has to have an ongoing
relationship with all these airlines ...

In another matter this week, I promised Merrill Lynch that if they did
not get certain transfers made by 5 p.m. on July 17 I would not only
sever all ties with them but would also swear - on a Bible - in public -
never to deal with them again. (This is the culmination of a long story
you do not want to hear.)

Bethany

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At 06:56 PM 7/14/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
>Did I mention I tried deep-fried Twinkies at the Marin County Fair? They put
>a dollop of whipped cream and chocolate syrup (or raspberry sauce) on it. I
>split it with my friend. Basically, it's a donut, but already filled before
>frying.

Deep fried twinkies?  Really?  Sounds horrible.

I finished our book, btw. On to the Harry Potter book now.

Betty

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At 09:07 PM 7/14/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>carry on.  I would be afraid that <serious possessions> would be
>confiscated if I did carry-on.

I hear that <serious possessions> aren't very safe in checked luggage
either. Travel light.

B

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On Monday, July 14, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Tony wrote:
>> > They are HUGE. I don't have a big enough monitor--only 19".
>>
>> My retinas are a lot smaller than 19", but somehow they manage to
>> take in huge pictures. I mean, entire mountain ranges and such.

> Those pictures are huge, though -- as in you have to scroll around.  I
> did find when I was in my office today that Internet II makes an
> enormous difference.  They loaded like lightning.  But they still
> required a good bit of scrolling.

Yes, I found scrolling around Rita's face, well, disconcerting...

Karen

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On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Bbq is bbq, and hotdogs are hotdogs.  Different experiences.  Yes, I've

Actually, that is not true. True bbq come from a cow, not a pig, as many
in the south think.

Bethany

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Bethany wrote:
> On many domestic flights, one can check a bag at
> the gate - i.e., watch it be put on the airplane and retrieve it as soon
> as the airplane lands.

Not just "can" -- have to.  That's routine with carry-on luggage at my
wee little airport.  You have to do that since there's no room for the
luggage in the passenger part of the plane.  But I also wonder what
Karen meant about Northwest.  That's the only airline I've flown for
ages now, except for odd situations when NW has put me on another
airline.  (I'm wondering where I got the 5000 ff miles on Delta that I
recently cashed in on magazine subscriptions since I have no memory at
all of having flown Delta in eons.  I realized after cashing in those
miles that that was probably really dumb now that Delta and NW are
partners and since Delta is now the only airline that flies from GTR.
But too late.  Dumb behavior is dumb behavior.  Those miles are gone,
and I'm getting more magazines to pile up in my unread pile, evoking
guilt over the growing piles.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>maximize what I could take.  Since 9/11, I've not flown much -- not
>because of 9/11, just because that's how it has turned out.  But I for
>sure don't want to do carry-on-only in the post 9/11 environment since
>there are many things you can put in checked luggage that you can't
>carry on.  I would be afraid that <serious possessions> would be
>confiscated if I did carry-on.

And I think just the opposite. Already, for instance, you must not put
film in checked luggage - it is catscanned. It needs to be put in
carry-on luggage. I always put things that really matter in carry-on
luggage. While I would have hated to lose what was in my checked bag on my
recent non-trip, it was totally replaceable - clothes, underwear, one pair
of shoes, pajamas, toiletries, some makeup.

Bethany

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On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Bethany wrote:
>> On many domestic flights, one can check a bag at
>> the gate - i.e., watch it be put on the airplane and retrieve it as soon
>> as the airplane lands.
>
>Not just "can" -- have to.

Not on all domestic flights.

>luggage in the passenger part of the plane.  But I also wonder what
>Karen meant about Northwest.  That's the only airline I've flown for

Me too. I do not recall ever checking a bag on NW. But perhaps that is a
new rule.

Bethany

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Betty wrote:

> Deep fried twinkies?  Really?  Sounds horrible.

I really, really tried hard not to ask this question because I have a
feeling it will bring howls of "Mutant!" but what are "twinkies" --
deep-fried or non?

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Betty wrote:

> >carry on.  I would be afraid that <serious possessions> would be
> >confiscated if I did carry-on.
>
> I hear that <serious possessions> aren't very safe in checked luggage
> either. Travel light.

Fingernail scissors is what I had in mind.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> And I think just the opposite. Already, for instance, you must not put
> film in checked luggage - it is catscanned. It needs to be put in
> carry-on luggage. I always put things that really matter in carry-on
> luggage. While I would have hated to lose what was in my checked bag on my
> recent non-trip, it was totally replaceable - clothes, underwear, one pair
> of shoes, pajamas, toiletries, some makeup.

Back when I traveled with film, I always put it in a "film-safe" bag.  I
guess that's not longer <safe>, but it doesn't matter since I don't
travel with film anymore anyway.

I hope never to have to do carry-on luggage again unless I move
somewhere for a year again and thus have to maximize.  Carry-on luggage
is a major pain, imho.

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02003-07-14 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > You have excelled at missing the point, again.
>
> If all the points are wrapped in myriad muddled
> mysteries, what's the point?

Which one?

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At 06:11 PM 7/14/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:

>Have a wonderful time. I hope Bonnie takes her digital camera.

I imagine that between us, we will have a few cameras.  It's beginning to
look like we will have decent weather there.

cwv

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02003-07-14 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Betty wrote:
>
> > Deep fried twinkies?  Really?  Sounds horrible.
>
> I really, really tried hard not to ask this question because I have a
> feeling it will bring howls of "Mutant!" but what are "twinkies" --
> deep-fried or non?

My god, I really, really tried hard not to say this but
MY GOD YOU UTTER TOTAL MUTANT!!!!@

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02003-07-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Yes, I found scrolling around Rita's face, well, disconcerting...

Mmmmm me too!

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> In another matter this week, I promised Merrill
> Lynch that if they did
> not get certain transfers made by 5 p.m. on July 17
> I would not only
> sever all ties with them but would also swear - on a
> Bible - in public -
> never to deal with them again. (This is the
> culmination of a long story
> you do not want to hear.)
>
> Bethany

Letter-writing CAN do wonders.  Some business concerns
seem shocked that they have clients/customers who are
literate.  Your Merrill Lynch notion may be quite
effective.  If you carry through, be sure to notify
the media :-)


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Tushar Samant wrote:

> My god, I really, really tried hard not to say this but
> MY GOD YOU UTTER TOTAL MUTANT!!!!@

So what are "twinkies"?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 09:44 PM 7/14/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>02003-07-14 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > Betty wrote:
> >
> > > Deep fried twinkies?  Really?  Sounds horrible.
> >
> > I really, really tried hard not to ask this question because I have a
> > feeling it will bring howls of "Mutant!" but what are "twinkies" --
> > deep-fried or non?
>
>My god, I really, really tried hard not to say this but
>MY GOD YOU UTTER TOTAL MUTANT!!!!@

Hostess Twinkies. Creamed filled pastries.  Do you remember the "Twinkie
Defense"?

Betty

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Betty wrote:

> Hostess Twinkies. Creamed filled pastries.  Do you remember the "Twinkie
> Defense"?

The name "Hostess Twinkies" definitely rings a bell.  The "Twinkie
Defense" rings no bells at all.

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> Which one?

As the Zen librarian said, "All and none of them,
grasshopper".


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On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Back when I traveled with film, I always put it in a "film-safe" bag.  I
>guess that's not longer <safe>, but it doesn't matter since I don't
>travel with film anymore anyway.

I usually take throwaway cameras to places like Sydney - they are much
less expensive here. Soon I will learn enough to go digital.

Bethany

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On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>02003-07-14 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
>> Betty wrote:
>>
>> I really, really tried hard not to ask this question because I have a
>> feeling it will bring howls of "Mutant!" but what are "twinkies" --
>> deep-fried or non?
>
>My god, I really, really tried hard not to say this but
>MY GOD YOU UTTER TOTAL MUTANT!!!!@

I think she's dissembling.

Bethany

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> My god, I really, really tried hard not to say this
> but
> MY GOD YOU UTTER TOTAL MUTANT!!!!@

Natalie,

Have you ever heard of San Franciscan Dan White, of
infamous memory?


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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> I usually take throwaway cameras to places like Sydney - they are much
> less expensive here. Soon I will learn enough to go digital.

I usually don't take cameras of any kind anymore when traveling.  I
started not to take one to Acadiafest but am now glad I did.  That's the
first time I've taken a camera on a trip in a long time.  It didn't
occur to me to take one to Finland last summer, for example.  Nor on any
other trip I can think of in my recent history until AcadiaFest.

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On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>literate.  Your Merrill Lynch notion may be quite
>effective.  If you carry through, be sure to notify
>the media :-)

If those transfers are not made by 5:00 p.m. on Thursday - stay tuned!

(They have not yet been made - I just checked.)

Bethany

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> Have you ever heard of San Franciscan Dan White, of
> infamous memory?

That name sounds familiar.  He was a murderer, right?  Murdered the SF
mayor?

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--- Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:
> Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> > Have you ever heard of San Franciscan Dan White,
> of
> > infamous memory?
>
> That name sounds familiar.  He was a murderer,
> right?  Murdered the SF
> mayor?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

You're on the right track.  Keep thinking about all of
those circumstances.


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Lynne Weber wrote:

> > That name sounds familiar.  He was a murderer,
> > right?  Murdered the SF
> > mayor?
>
> You're on the right track.  Keep thinking about all of
> those circumstances.

?  I don't remember the circumstances.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Chase this url, Natalie, and read about the Twinkie defense:

http://www.ohnonews.com/twinkie.html


Ann
On Mon, 14 Jul
2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> > > That name sounds familiar.  He was a murderer,
> > > right?  Murdered the SF
> > > mayor?
> >
> > You're on the right track.  Keep thinking about all of
> > those circumstances.
>
> ?  I don't remember the circumstances.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>

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In a message dated 7/14/2003 9:49:23 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
<<
So what are "twinkies"?

>>

Sponge-cake "fingers" filled with sweet, white-fluff "cream."
Twinkies (brand name) are made by Hostess; other companies
sell them under different names.

Evelyn Duncan
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> ?  I don't remember the circumstances.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Dan White was a former City Supervisor who murdered
the Mayor and a sitting City Supervisor.  His
attorneys came up with somewhat unique defense.  White
was driven to these made, impetuous acts by having
eaten too much junk food - namely, Twinkies.

Twinkies are commercially made and packages cakes
filled with vanilla cream.  White later killed
himself, though I do not know if that was attributed
to Twinkies or not.


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> Betty wrote:
>
> > Deep fried twinkies?  Really?  Sounds horrible.
>
> I really, really tried hard not to ask this question because I have a
> feeling it will bring howls of "Mutant!" but what are "twinkies" --
> deep-fried or non?
>

>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Junk food courtesy of Hostess. Hand sized, yellow cake tubes filled with a
bit of whipped cream. You buy them packaged next to HoHo's, Ding Dong's,
Yodels (we don't have them in CA), and fried Pies. Nothing but
preservatives. They stay fresh forever.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,54280,00.html

Sandra

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Connection between obesity & Alzheimers.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2003-07-14-alz-usat_x.htm

Sandra

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At 09:53 PM 7/14/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > Hostess Twinkies. Creamed filled pastries.  Do you remember the "Twinkie
> > Defense"?
>
>The name "Hostess Twinkies" definitely rings a bell.  The "Twinkie
>Defense" rings no bells at all.

You could google on Twinkie Defense.

One web page says: In 1978, Dan White, a former San Francisco city
supervisor who had recently resigned his position, entered San Francisco
City Hall through a basement window, went upstairs, and shot and killed
Mayor George Moscone  and Supervisor Harvey Milk.

Psychiatrist Martin Blinder testified in court that White had been
depressed, which led to eating junk food: Twinkies and Coca-Cola. This
further deepened White's depression, since he was an ex-athlete and knew
that the food was not good for him. This was evidence of his depression
that prompted his murder spree.  This celebrated diagnosis became known as
the "Twinkie defense."

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On Monday, July 14, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> Me too. I do not recall ever checking a bag on NW. But perhaps that is a
> new rule.

It's several years old; they may have changed it again. But when it
was implemented, NW flights were the most pleasant and fastest on and
off. I loved it, and was hoping that all airlines would go that way.

Karen

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Hi Everyone,

  I missed you all!  I'm home and almost well.  Was sprung earlier today.
Alan conveyed all your good wishes, thanks, I need them.  This was a nasty
one!  Spending my weekend kicking bad bug ass in a hospital is not
something I wish to repeat.  I'm still low on red blood cell count,.  3.5
more days of quinine and clindamycin should do the trick.

I had it already in BH.  The evening following the fest, I noticed a rash
on my ankles but assumed I may have brushed against a plant or bush.  I was
planning to have it checked out Friday, anyway.  The rash was due to low
blood platelets.  By the time I walked in ER Friday, I was dehydrated,
anemic, had low red blood count and low platelets.  Nasty bug!

Glad to be home!

Terry

P.S. Sorry if another note comes through, but I think Webmail ate the first
one.  Nasty software.

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So what does Natalie think of when she hears this NPR plug (quoted
from memory) for "Splendid Table"?

"I never miss 'Splendid Table.' Where else would you learn what wine to
serve with Twinkies?"

Bethany

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On Monday, July 14, 2003, Terry Wild wrote:
>   I missed you all!  I'm home and almost well.  Was sprung earlier today.
> Alan conveyed all your good wishes, thanks, I need them.  This was a nasty
> one!  Spending my weekend kicking bad bug ass in a hospital is not
> something I wish to repeat.  I'm still low on red blood cell count,.  3.5
> more days of quinine and clindamycin should do the trick.

Ick. I'm glad you're better!

Karen

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02003-07-14 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > My god, I really, really tried hard not to say this but
> > MY GOD YOU UTTER TOTAL MUTANT!!!!@
>
> So what are "twinkies"?

Er, heh heh, I don't know. I have never seen one myself but
apparently it's the commonest item in America. It's something
you eat--some kind of junk food.

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02003-07-14 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > Which one?
>
> As the Zen librarian said, "All and none of them,
> grasshopper".

Do people seriously add "grasshopper" to anything? Maybe it's
more to the point to ask how OLD are people who seriously add
it to a sentence?

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I bought a throw-away camera in Athens, GA, and I have developed the film now.

The first photo here is taken from an Island in the Oslo harbour and I include it both because it is pretty and because if you look at the ski jump over the cannon on the right and then a little to the left you see where I grew up:

http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/oslofjord.jpg

We visited Bergen in June before Marianne's daughter was born and so we were mainly interested in Torbjørn's twins. We found that they often acted together: one did <something> while the other stood guard - in case they were doing something wrong.

They were allowed to play with the typewriter:

http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/typewriter.jpg

but not to play with the stove since they got pretty dirty when the finally managed to open the stove's door:

http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/stove.jpg

Espen

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Here are the final gifs from Volda:

The sisters' house was moved to this place in 1911 when Ingjerd's great-grandfather bought it:

http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/huset.jpg

And the garden was very good for crosswords even if it was hot in the sun:

http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/kryssord1.jpg

But there were more crossword solvers (and here we see three generations, the oldest in the picture was Ingjerd's grandfather's sister - and the one in the middle is Ingjerd's mother).

http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/kryssord2.jpg

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Here she is:

http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/aurora.jpg

And with the proud mother (even if Aurora seems interested in the rest of the world):

http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/moga.jpg

And Aurora and Ingjerd seemed to be in close contact at once:

http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/ioga.jpg

while the proud grandfather was not so popular:

http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/eoga.jpg

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These two were taken in July where Inger and Torbjørn and the twins live:

http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/iogtogeogk1.jpg

http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/iogtogeogk2.jpg

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Bethany wrote:
>
> > Friday's WSJ features "Barbecue Joints" - including The Little Dooey
> > (Starkville, Columbus, West Point and also Perdido Bay, FL). Do you eat
> > there? Sounds better than those slaw dogs you talk about.
>
> Bbq is bbq, and hotdogs are hotdogs.  Different experiences.  Yes, I've
> eaten at Little Dooey.  I'm surprised to see that it has spread beyond
> Starkville.  I had no idea of that.  Its original place (still existing,
> of course) is a couple of blocks from my previous house.  I knew they
> had added another Starkville location plus a trailer thing to sell it at
> odd locations on football weekends or whatever.  But I did not know that
> it had moved to other towns.  I don't consider it the best bbq in town
> by any means, but the ESPN people seem to love it.  They often talk
> about it on the air when sports events are here.

So... what is the best BBQ in town?
Syracuse has a "best" - Dinosaur BBQ, a biker/blues bar that
people come to town just to experience. The funniest thing about
it (which not many people remember) is how it got its start:

A guy who had won a cookoff set up a cart to sell ice cream,
soda (and incidentally some BBQ) to the long lines of cars
stuck waiting for hours with screaming kids, waiting to get
in to see the Smithsonian Dinosaur exhibit (this would be
1983, I think - my parents and I took my kids to see them,
which means just before or just after V and I got married)
in an empty warehouse in what was then an industrial
ghost-town between the lake and downtown. It's now an
upscale condo neighborhood, and no one remembers the
guy with the cart.

The have a salad with topped with pecans and pulled pork,
which we love with fried green tomatoes (one of the few
foods we both grew up with).

clo

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> In another matter this week, I promised Merrill Lynch that if they did
> not get certain transfers made by 5 p.m. on July 17 I would not only
> sever all ties with them but would also swear - on a Bible - in public -
> never to deal with them again. (This is the culmination of a long story
> you do not want to hear.)

I have longed a couple of times to take out a full page ad, asking
other people who feel cheated by company X about product or
sevice Y to contact me. V always talks me out of it.
If ML lets you down, be sure to post pictures of the swearing-in!
clo

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Terry Wild wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
>   I missed you all!  I'm home and almost well.  Was sprung earlier today.
> Alan conveyed all your good wishes, thanks, I need them.  This was a nasty
> one!  Spending my weekend kicking bad bug ass in a hospital is not
> something I wish to repeat.  I'm still low on red blood cell count,.  3.5
> more days of quinine and clindamycin should do the trick.
>
> I had it already in BH.  The evening following the fest, I noticed a rash
> on my ankles but assumed I may have brushed against a plant or bush.  I was
> planning to have it checked out Friday, anyway.  The rash was due to low
> blood platelets.  By the time I walked in ER Friday, I was dehydrated,
> anemic, had low red blood count and low platelets.  Nasty bug!
>
> Glad to be home!

I bet. Take it easy - if Edward will let you!
How is Scout Camp going, have you heard?
clo

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> Twinkies are commercially made and packages cakes
> filled with vanilla cream.

I remember hearing of "Hostess Twinkies."  I think I remember seeing
them also -- yellow cupcake-looking things in packages of two in
convenience stores.  I might even have tasted them, though I don't
remember for sure.  That's the kind of thing I sometimes buy in
convenience stores when traveling to put in my hotel room and eat for
breakfast the next morning.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> So what does Natalie think of when she hears this NPR plug (quoted
> from memory) for "Splendid Table"?
>
> "I never miss 'Splendid Table.' Where else would you learn what wine to
> serve with Twinkies?"

Nothing.

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Great pictures!

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Espen Ore wrote:

> while the proud grandfather was not so popular:
>
> http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/eoga.jpg

But he has good taste in shirts.  Great pictures!

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> > it had moved to other towns.  I don't consider it the best bbq in town
> > by any means, but the ESPN people seem to love it.  They often talk
> > about it on the air when sports events are here.
>
> So... what is the best BBQ in town?

To me it's a little stand in a front yard out from town.  I don't know
whether it has a name.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> > So... what is the best BBQ in town?
>
> To me it's a little stand in a front yard out from town.  I don't know
> whether it has a name.

Many people swear by another place way out on Sixteenth Section Road as
the best bbq in town ("in town" being used loosely here since neither it
nor the one I mentioned above is strictly in town).  I've never been to
the one on Sixteenth Section Road.

Little Dooey is ok, but I think it's been over-hyped perhaps.  It also
has an advantage of a convenient location.  (I used Little Dooey for the
bbq I served to a mob of Japanese students who were visiting here
several years ago.  It was convenient since I could go pick it up a
couple of blocks away.  And the students scarfed it up with seeming
pleasure.)

I just looked at its webpage and noticed that Lee Corso has said, "The
Little Dooey is the best BBQ and sauce in the nation," and that Gourmet
Magazine has named Little Dooey as one of the top 100 restaurants in the
U.S.  I find that somehow absurd.  It's really just your <average bbq>.

Cites from http://www.littledooey.com/testimonials.htm

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 12:21 AM 7/15/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:
>   Nasty bug!

Indeed.  Some of the web pages on it made interesting reading, including
that it's transmitted by the same tick that transmits Lyme disease.  Do you
have a Lyme disease problem in your area?

>Glad to be home!

I'm sure.  Hope you can take it easy for a few days.

cwv

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> Here she is:
>
> http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/aurora.jpg
>
> And with the proud mother (even if Aurora seems interested in the rest
of the world):
>
> http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/moga.jpg
>
> And Aurora and Ingjerd seemed to be in close contact at once:
>
> http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/ioga.jpg
>
> while the proud grandfather was not so popular:
>
> http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/eoga.jpg
>
> Espen
>

All great pictures, Espen.  Thank you.
Loved the scenes and the little darlings.
And that house!

                    - D. M.

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of S Hess
>Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 11:46 PM
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>
>
>Connection between obesity & Alzheimers.
>
>http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2003-07-14-alz-usat_x.htm
>
>Sandra
>

Nah, keep losing weight like a few other wordslers.


alec

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Terry Wild
>Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 12:21 AM
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>
>

Much deleted...
>
>I had it already in BH.  The evening following the fest, I
>noticed a rash
>on my ankles but assumed I may have brushed against a plant or
>bush.  I was
>planning to have it checked out Friday, anyway.  The rash was
>due to low
>blood platelets.  By the time I walked in ER Friday, I was dehydrated,
>anemic, had low red blood count and low platelets.  Nasty bug!
>
>Glad to be home!
>
>Terry
>

Low red blood counts and platelets are no fun. Did they need to transfuse
you? Eat lots of red meat and iron filled veggies. Glad you kicked the bug.



alec

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Espen Ore
>Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 5:23 AM
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>
>
>Here she is:
>
>http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/aurora.jpg
>
>And with the proud mother (even if Aurora seems interested in
>the rest of the world):
>
>http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/moga.jpg
>
>And Aurora and Ingjerd seemed to be in close contact at once:
>
>http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/ioga.jpg
>
>while the proud grandfather was not so popular:
>
>http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/eoga.jpg
>
>Espen
>

Espen,

Great pics and a wonderful shirt in the picture of you holding Aurora.


alec

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Espen Ore wrote:

> I bought a throw-away camera in Athens, GA, and I have developed the film now.

I love the pictures - thanks for sharing them.
clo

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Y'all may have seen this already
 
1) Go to Google.com;
2) Type in (but don't hit return): "weapons of mass destruction"
3) Hit the "I'm feeling lucky" button, instead of the normal "Google search" button.
 
 
BrP

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Brad:  Remember when we discussed in detail the MSU Final Four
basketball team, and I wrote a poem about them?  I just read this in the
Clarion-Ledger about what has become of Erick Dampier:

http://www.clarionledger.com/news/0307/15/srick.html

And here's an interesting story on the CBS page that reminded me of the
fried-twinkies thread -- it's about a man who fried and ate his penis:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/01/10/national/main536134.shtml

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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sandra wrote:

>  but what are "twinkies" --

> Junk food courtesy of Hostess. Hand sized, yellow cake tubes filled with a
> bit of whipped cream. You buy them packaged next to HoHo's, Ding Dong's,
> Yodels (we don't have them in CA), and fried Pies. Nothing but
> preservatives. They stay fresh forever.

    One of my favorite "Simpsons" moments was when Homer flipped out at the
Quick-E-Mart and stomped with both feet upon an impulse item by the register.
Apu came from behind the counter, smoothed it out, and said while replacing it
in the rack, "Oh, foolish customer!  Do you not know you cannot destroy a
Twinkie?"

JMW, who has proudly never eaten one in his life

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On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, John Williams wrote:

>    One of my favorite "Simpsons" moments was when Homer flipped out at the
>Quick-E-Mart and stomped with both feet upon an impulse item by the register.
>Apu came from behind the counter, smoothed it out, and said while replacing it
>in the rack, "Oh, foolish customer!  Do you not know you cannot destroy a
>Twinkie?"
>
>JMW, who has proudly never eaten one in his life

Me too! I am also proud of the fact that I have never eaten a Krystal (the
local cheapie 'burger - they are currently 10 for $4.99).

Bethany

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Gorgeous!  Thanks, Espen.

Betty

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On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> >
> >JMW, who has proudly never eaten one in his life
>
> Me too! I am also proud of the fact that I have never eaten a Krystal (the
> local cheapie 'burger - they are currently 10 for $4.99).

Isn't it kind of shameful to be proud of such things?  Like being proud
you've never eaten dogshit?

Ann

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On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

>> >JMW, who has proudly never eaten one in his life
>>
>> Me too! I am also proud of the fact that I have never eaten a Krystal (the
>> local cheapie 'burger - they are currently 10 for $4.99).
>
>Isn't it kind of shameful to be proud of such things?  Like being proud
>you've never eaten dogshit?

Ah, Ann, you have no idea how difficult it has been to live in Knoxville
all these years and never eat a Krystal! We are, after all, in the very
sucky South ...

Bethany

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At 11:10 AM 7/15/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>Ah, Ann, you have no idea how difficult it has been to live in Knoxville
>all these years and never eat a Krystal! We are, after all, in the very
>sucky South ...
>
>Bethany

True.

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On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, Espen Ore wrote:
> These two were taken in July where Inger and Torbjørn and the twins live:

> http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/iogtogeogk1.jpg

> http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/iogtogeogk2.jpg

I want to have a baby so I can make them wear a hat like that.

Karen

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> Do people seriously add "grasshopper" to anything?
> Maybe it's
> more to the point to ask how OLD are people who
> seriously add
> it to a sentence?

Very OLD.  Of course people don't add "seriously" to
anything.  I don't think anybody took it seriously.
Did you think I was being serious?

Even the mixed drink is fatuous.

BTW, one of your elusive points crept into your last
post, but I'm not taking it seriously.


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On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> Me too! I am also proud of the fact that I have never eaten a Krystal (the
> local cheapie 'burger - they are currently 10 for $4.99).

That's not that cheap...

Karen

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From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 11:27 am
Subject: Re: Natalie - The Little Dooey?

> On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> > Me too! I am also proud of the fact that I have never eaten a
> Krystal (the
> > local cheapie 'burger - they are currently 10 for $4.99).
>
> That's not that cheap...

That's pretty damn cheap!

I remember being so poor I was walking around NYC starving and couldn't afford a Taco Bell bean burrito for 49 cents. That was about rock bottom.

Then there's the time I couldn't afford to eat with Wordslers but I hit the pick three lottery so was able to save face.

Marie

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On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
> From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 11:27 am
> Subject: Re: Natalie - The Little Dooey?

>> On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>> > Me too! I am also proud of the fact that I have never eaten a
>> Krystal (the
>> > local cheapie 'burger - they are currently 10 for $4.99).
>>
>> That's not that cheap...

> That's pretty damn cheap!

I'm thinking of McDonald's 29-cent hamburgers and 39-cent
cheeseburgers.

You can't outpoor me, Marie.

Karen

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>
> 02003-07-14 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > > Which one?
> >
> > As the Zen librarian said, "All and none of them,
> > grasshopper".
>
> Do people seriously add "grasshopper" to anything? Maybe it's
> more to the point to ask how OLD are people who seriously add
> it to a sentence?

42

Sandra

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> Here are the final gifs from Volda:
>
> The sisters' house was moved to this place in 1911 when Ingjerd's
> great-grandfather bought it:
>
> http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/huset.jpg
>
> And the garden was very good for crosswords even if it was hot in the sun:
>
> http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/kryssord1.jpg
>
> But there were more crossword solvers (and here we see three
> generations, the oldest in the picture was Ingjerd's
> grandfather's sister - and the one in the middle is Ingjerd's mother).
>
> http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/kryssord2.jpg
>
> Espen

What a terrific home! I love looking at all the pics you share. Thanks :)

Sandra

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>> Do people seriously add "grasshopper" to anything? Maybe it's
>> more to the point to ask how OLD are people who seriously add
>> it to a sentence?

>42

>Sandra
 
Douglas Adams would be proud.
 
BrP
 

 

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> All NON-lamerz are welcome in July!

I'll be right there!

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At 01:13 PM 7/15/2003 -0400, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> >> Do people seriously add "grasshopper" to anything? Maybe it's
> >> more to the point to ask how OLD are people who seriously add
> >> it to a sentence?
>
> >42
>
> >Sandra
>
>Douglas Adams would be proud.

I thought it was Kinky Friedman.

Betty

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>
> At 01:13 PM 7/15/2003 -0400, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> > >> Do people seriously add "grasshopper" to anything? Maybe it's
> > >> more to the point to ask how OLD are people who seriously add
> > >> it to a sentence?
> >
> > >42
> >
> > >Sandra
> >
> >Douglas Adams would be proud.
>
> I thought it was Kinky Friedman.
>
> Betty

I'm a big fan of the Kinkster (www.kinkyfriedman.com) . I've gotta get a
copy of Hitchhiker. I've read a snip or two and I think it's high time I
dive in.

Sandra

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> >Isn't it kind of shameful to be proud of such things?  Like being
> proud>you've never eaten dogshit?

Why does this remind me of some recent bullshit that I'd like to hear Alyce's take on? Namely: an article in the NY Times recently which implies that we should feel guilty about putting our names on a do-not-call registry because it'll put telemarketers out of work.

Marie

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> You can't outpoor me, Marie.

Not right now I can't, but I've had my moments.

Marie

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cite please
 
BrP
 
 

>>> 14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET 07/15/03 01:53PM >>>
Why does this remind me of some recent bullshit that I'd like to hear Alyce's take on? Namely: an article in the NY Times recently which implies that we should feel guilty about putting our names on a do-not-call registry because it'll put telemarketers out of work.

Marie

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On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:

>> You can't outpoor me, Marie.
>
>Not right now I can't, but I've had my moments.

Let me try: when I was a first-year graduate student, my usual lunch meal
cost 5 cents. At the student union, white bread and condiments
(mustard, etc.) were free, and cheese cost 5 cents a slice. So I often had
a 5 cent cheese sandwich for lunch.

Ah, the good old days. Of course, I also often walked 8 miles a day. I'd
like to be that skinny again.

Bethany

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On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>> I want to have a baby so I can make them wear a hat
>> like that.
>>
>> Karen
>
>Bethany, take note - no negotiating necessary.  K*r*n
>can be had for millinery.  Witness also earlier
>allusions to balloonery.

Hmmm. One way to avoid negotiation is to "make them."

Bethany

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I am the only wordsler to have witnessed the balloonery first hand.  I should note that Betty can be had for millinery as well.
 
BrP
 
 

>>> lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM 07/15/03 02:25PM >>>
> I want to have a baby so I can make them wear a hat
> like that.
>
> Karen

Bethany, take note - no negotiating necessary.  K*r*n
can be had for millinery.  Witness also earlier
allusions to balloonery.


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>cite please

Probably "Feelings Mixed, Millions Enroll to Block Calls"
<http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/10/business/10CALL.html> (or no
registration required: <http://tinyurl.com/h0gg>).

"The overwhelming public response to the do-not-call registry may bring the
end of telemarketing as we know it, and force solicitors to change the way
they do business, according to Ravi Dhar, a marketing professor at the Yale
School of Management.  Already, some telemarketing companies have told
their employees to expect layoffs, according to Louis Mastria, a spokesman
for the Direct Marketing Association, a trade group whose members include
telemarketers."

Also see responses from readers:
<http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/14/opinion/L14TELE.html>.

Pete

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> I want to have a baby so I can make them wear a hat
> like that.
>
> Karen

Bethany, take note - no negotiating necessary.  K*r*n
can be had for millinery.  Witness also earlier
allusions to balloonery.


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A company in Las Vegas is offering the "Bambi Hunt"
 
Here is what their publicity says (I am not making this up):
 
Book A HuntIf you would like to fly out to wonderful fun filled Las Vegas, Nevada for the hunt of a lifetime now is your chance. You can actually hunt one of our Bambi sluts and shoot her with paintballs while we film the whole thing and tape it for your own home video. We will send you a complete list of wall hangers to choose from once your reservation is confirmed for your hunt. With over 30 women ready to be chased down and shot like dogs we guarantee a wide variety of Bambi's to choose from. Whether it is a fat ass cow or a perfect 10 we have an abundance of these beauties. So if you are the ultimate sportsman and are seeking the ultimate adrenaline rush then come out to our ranch and shoot one of these nagging whinny bitches where it hurts and shut her the fuck up. Then mount her like a "Real Man".

Private hunt includes:
· Round Trip Airfare for hunter
· Lodging for hunter (3 Days 4 Nights)
· Meals for hunter
· The Hunt
· Video of the Hunt
· Mount (not for virgins, you figure it out)

Price: $10,000.00 U.S.
Deposit: $2,500.00 U.S. ** NON- REFUNDABLE** 

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> Here is what their publicity says (I am not making this up):

Snopes has a few things to say about this; check
it out:

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/bambi.asp

The apes on the PoE forums are equally skeptical,
especially the paintballers.

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Even as a joke it's sick, but I do hope that it is only a joke.
 
Thanks for the link Richard.
 
BrP


>>> rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU 07/15/03 03:16PM >>>
> Here is what their publicity says (I am not making this up):

Snopes has a few things to say about this; check
it out:

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/bambi.asp 

The apes on the PoE forums are equally skeptical,
especially the paintballers.

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On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:

>>> You can't outpoor me, Marie.
>>
>>Not right now I can't, but I've had my moments.

> Let me try: when I was a first-year graduate student, my usual lunch meal
> cost 5 cents. At the student union, white bread and condiments
> (mustard, etc.) were free, and cheese cost 5 cents a slice. So I often had
> a 5 cent cheese sandwich for lunch.

I'm not sure how that outpoors me. If I knew some place like that, I'd be eating there now.

Karen

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depends on what meaning "have" has
 

BrP
 

>>> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM 07/15/03 03:41PM >>>
On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> I am the only wordsler to have witnessed the balloonery first hand.

Ah, yes. That was really fine balloonery. The first words upon meeting
me were not hello, not hi, not "Good afternoon, My Scrapple", but "You
really wore it!"

>  I should note that Betty can be had for millinery as well.

Oh? And how often did you have Betty?

Karen

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On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> I am the only wordsler to have witnessed the balloonery first hand.

Ah, yes. That was really fine balloonery. The first words upon meeting
me were not hello, not hi, not "Good afternoon, My Scrapple", but "You
really wore it!"

>  I should note that Betty can be had for millinery as well.

Oh? And how often did you have Betty?

Karen

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02003-07-15 | Paul Barfoot <Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU> writes:
> >> Do people seriously add "grasshopper" to anything? Maybe it's
> >> more to the point to ask how OLD are people who seriously add
> >> it to a sentence?
>
> >42
>
> >Sandra
>
> Douglas Adams would be proud.

No, Douglas Adams would be fed up and remorseful.

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02003-07-15 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > At 01:13 PM 7/15/2003 -0400, Paul Barfoot wrote:
>
> > > >> Do people seriously add "grasshopper" to anything? Maybe it's
> > > >> more to the point to ask how OLD are people who seriously add
> > > >> it to a sentence?
> > >
> > > >42
> > >
> > > >Sandra
> > >
> > >Douglas Adams would be proud.
> >
> > I thought it was Kinky Friedman.
>
> I'm a big fan of the Kinkster (www.kinkyfriedman.com) . I've gotta get a
> copy of Hitchhiker. I've read a snip or two and I think it's high time I
> dive in.

And miss completely ...

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On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> depends on what meaning "have" has

:)

I love you, My Sweet Polenta.

Karen

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Marie Ascher wrote:

>guilty about putting our names on a do-not-call registry because it'll put >telemarketers out of work.

I thought they were mostly machines these days, not people.  I guess
people have to do the machine-setup/maintenance, though.  (Alyce did
make me feel guilty about pushing my grocery buggy to a rack, but I
still do it.  I just don't feel right abandoning it anyolewhere.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Bethany writes,

>Hmmm. One way to avoid negotiation is to "make them."

Hmmm.  On first reading, I missed the intermediate reply, and got this:

 >>> I want to have a baby...

and then

 > One way to avoid negotiation is to "make them."

:)

Pete

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02003-07-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> > depends on what meaning "have" has
>
> :)
>
> I love you, My Sweet Polenta.

You have both excelled at missing the point. Out!

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Check this out, one of the very funniest things I have seen
on the web, ever:

1) Go to Google.com
2) Type in "weapons of mass destruction"
3) Hit the "I'm feeling lucky" button

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Boy that is funny.  I wish I had seen it first.
 
BrP
 
 


>>> scribble@POBOX.COM 07/15/03 04:01PM >>>
Check this out, one of the very funniest things I have seen
on the web, ever:

1) Go to Google.com
2) Type in "weapons of mass destruction"
3) Hit the "I'm feeling lucky" button

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On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:

>>Hmmm. One way to avoid negotiation is to "make them."
>
>Hmmm.  On first reading, I missed the intermediate reply, and got this:
>
> >>> I want to have a baby...
>
>and then
>
> > One way to avoid negotiation is to "make them."

And one way to amuse onesself is to miss the intermediate replies! LOL
...

Bethany

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I'll be working with a new person just as soon as it is time to <look> -
maybe even tomorrow ... my very smart accountant had a recommendation,
and I have learned that it is smart to go with her recommendations ....

Bethany

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02003-07-15 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> > All NON-lamerz are welcome in July!
>
> I'll be right there!

Umm ... heh heh ... you know "Marie", you have been away from home
for too long. You need to ground yourself and reestablish your harmony
with your land ...

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<P>Cuba / Political Prisoners: Urgent humanitarian action! </P>
<P>Economist Martha Beatriz Roque and Physician Oscar El&iacute;as Biscet, Cuban political prisoners, are in a life-threatening situation, mistreated, seriously ill and without medical attention. Please see at the end of this e-mail a link to send an instant message to over 100 world-known personalities, pleading for their urgent intercession in favor of these political prisoners. Please use the link responsibly, with an invariably courteous language. Sending your message will take you only a few seconds, but it could be decisive in saving those two lives. Thank you very much! </P>
<FONT SIZE=5><STRONG><P ALIGN="CENTER">Emergency intervention of world leaders urged in favor of Cuban political prisoners</P>
</FONT></STRONG><EM><P ALIGN="CENTER">The health condition of Economist Martha Beatriz Roque and Physician Oscar El&iacute;as Biscet, without medical attention in the island's prisons, is serious, says Unidad Cubana</P>
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<P>"World leaders, and specially those in Latin America , who have been the most benevolent ones with the communist dictatorship, owe a moral debt to the people of Cuba , enslaved and abandoned to their fate for 44 years. The time has come for them to pay that debt by publicly demanding that the communist regime release all political prisoners," said Luis Figueroa, a legal scholar who is also a director of Unidad Cubana. </P>
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At 02:41 PM 7/15/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> > I am the only wordsler to have witnessed the balloonery first hand.
>
>Ah, yes. That was really fine balloonery. The first words upon meeting
>me were not hello, not hi, not "Good afternoon, My Scrapple", but "You
>really wore it!"
>
> >  I should note that Betty can be had for millinery as well.
>
>Oh? And how often did you have Betty?

What happens in Bar Harbor stays in Bar Harbor.

BB

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> Check this out, one of the very funniest things I have seen
> on the web, ever:
>
> 1) Go to Google.com
> 2) Type in "weapons of mass destruction"
> 3) Hit the "I'm feeling lucky" button

Hey, I have an idea...

Go to www.google.com, type in "weapons of mass destruction", hit the "I'm
feeling lucky" button.

Hilarious.

Sch.

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> At 02:41 PM 7/15/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> >On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> > > I am the only wordsler to have witnessed the balloonery first hand.
> >
> >Ah, yes. That was really fine balloonery. The first words upon meeting
> >me were not hello, not hi, not "Good afternoon, My Scrapple", but "You
> >really wore it!"
> >
> > >  I should note that Betty can be had for millinery as well.
> >
> >Oh? And how often did you have Betty?
>
> What happens in Bar Harbor stays in Bar Harbor.
>
> BB

What happens in BB...

Sandra

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02003-07-15 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> What happens in Bar Harbor stays in Bar Harbor.

I wish! I have already seen the word "polenta" three times today!

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    What right-wing bullshit.  Jimmy Carter, Oliver Stone, and Danny
Glover would never permit anything like this to happen.  And if it did
its John Ashcrot's fault.  Free Mumia!

JMW

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Hardly a low ... perhaps a new format for the same old stuff.

Now have you seen this new show on TV? I saw an ad some time
ago--children compete for the "best talent" title and their
dumbass parents are shown abusing other children. Struck me
as somehwat low-ish.

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02003-07-15 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> Hey, I have an idea...
>
> Go to www.google.com, type in "weapons of mass destruction", hit the "I'm
> feeling lucky" button.
>
> Hilarious.

I did. LOL :)

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From: "S Hess" <sandra@maximumsentence.com>
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I'm trying to find the text to O'Hara's Having a Coke with You on the
web....with no success. There are a lot of parodies of it and imitations,
but I can't find the poem he wrote. Any of you know where I might find it
online? I've googled more than once.

Sandra

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I am in the middle of a huge database project including database redesign
at the same moment as upload of major chunks of data, preparatory to
running an assessment program against it that <always> breaks when any
 changes are made (naturally enough);

 and the web designer the dean foisted on us got so enthusiastic he put
 the test site of the version <live> without the director's say-so, three
 days before we have to put the most critical issue of the online
newsletter up... which the web designer <didn't> think important enough
 to port over into the new design so it looks like shit and has to be
rebuilt to look like the rest of the <new> site.

Consequently I am going no-mail till - I dunno, maybe Sunday or early
next week - and please don't say anything interesting till I am sane
again.

PS. When I come back I have a stbex story, if I am calmed down enough to
tell it.
clo

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> Snopes has a few things to say about this; check
> it out:
>
> http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/bambi.asp
>
> The apes on the PoE forums are equally skeptical,
> especially the paintballers.

The whole thing smacks of unreality, but supposing it
were to be true, what better way to entice deviants
out of their ivy-covered holes?  Uh oh, I thought a
heard an impassioned cry of "entrapment."


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>I'm trying to find the text to O'Hara's Having a Coke with You on the
>web....with no success.

http://www.michaelstamand.com/frank_o_hara/frankohara.htm#coke ?

Pete

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> >I'm trying to find the text to O'Hara's Having a Coke with You on the
> >web....with no success.
>
> http://www.michaelstamand.com/frank_o_hara/frankohara.htm#coke ?
>
> Pete


Having a coke with you on the web
must be a very recent piece.

              - D. M.

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> Struck me
> as somehwat low-ish.

IMO, shows of that genre are much worse than low-ish,
they are brutish.  They cater vicariously to the
cruelty and base attitudes of their audiences.  If
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02003-07-15 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > Snopes has a few things to say about this; check
> > it out:
> >
> > http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/bambi.asp
> >
> > The apes on the PoE forums are equally skeptical,
> > especially the paintballers.
>
> The whole thing smacks of unreality, but supposing it
> were to be true, what better way to entice deviants
> out of their ivy-covered holes?  Uh oh, I thought a
> heard an impassioned cry of "entrapment."

What's an impassioned cry or two to the crusader against
academics and deviants?

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02003-07-15 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > Struck me as somehwat low-ish.
>
> IMO, shows of that genre are much worse than low-ish,
> they are brutish.  They cater vicariously to the
> cruelty and base attitudes of their audiences.  If
> they portray reality, we are all in deep trouble.

Kind of like the Roman empire, you mean?

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In a message dated 7/15/2003 12:50:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM writes:
<<
I've gotta get a
copy of Hitchhiker.
>>

Are you going to read the books or get the tapes of the radio show first?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> I've gotta get a
> copy of Hitchhiker.
> >>
>
> Are you going to read the books or get the tapes of the radio show first?

    Then there's the quandry of the original Beeb*  tapes, the albums, the
audiobooks*, and/or then which version[s] of the video[s]?

John "Please don't push this button again." W.

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> 02003-07-15 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > I'd love to play with one of those paint ball guns. I don't want to
degrade
> > anyone. I just want to splatter their body with paint and then maybe
rub it
> > in.
>
> Our future is bleak indeed.

There are always those people
who just like to rub it in.

     - D. M.

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Betty:
>I'd love to play with one of those paint
>ball guns. I don't want to degrade anyone.
>I just want to splatter their body with
>paint and then maybe rub it in.

You have no idea how paintball guns
work, do you?

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BrP:
> Even as a joke it's sick, but I do hope that it is only a joke.

Sure, but the point of putting on a hoax
(as I believe this is [could be wrong, but
how hard can it be to wool-pull a TV news
reporter?]) is to be as provocative as
possible, no?

What the point is, I'm not sure yet, but
there's a lot of jokes I don't get.


Now, Piltdown man, that was fakkin' hilarious.

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Lynne:
> The whole thing smacks of unreality, but supposing it
> were to be true, what better way to entice deviants
> out of their ivy-covered holes?

Uh... There *are* people who get a kick out
of being degraded, and who will do it for a
lot less than this purported $1000.

What's unreal about it is the details of
it all.  I mean, WTF?  Just doesn't work.

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At 06:28 PM 7/15/2003 -0500, boy wrote:

>Uh... There *are* people who get a kick out
>of being degraded, and who will do it for a
>lot less than this purported $1000.
>
>What's unreal about it is the details of
>it all.  I mean, WTF?  Just doesn't work.

I'd love to play with one of those paint ball guns. I don't want to degrade
anyone. I just want to splatter their body with paint and then maybe rub it in.

Betty

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02003-07-15 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> I'd love to play with one of those paint ball guns. I don't want to degrade
> anyone. I just want to splatter their body with paint and then maybe rub it
> in.

Our future is bleak indeed.

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> Subject: Aurora gifs
>
>
> Here she is:

Great pictures! Thanks for sharing, Espen.

--Adam
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At 07:09 PM 7/15/2003 -0500, boy wrote:
>Betty:
> >I'd love to play with one of those paint
> >ball guns. I don't want to degrade anyone.
> >I just want to splatter their body with
> >paint and then maybe rub it in.
>
>You have no idea how paintball guns
>work, do you?

No, but they sound like fun. Larry wants one to shoot at drivers to tick
him off.

Betty

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In a message dated 7/15/2003 8:54:34 AM Central Daylight Time,
Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU writes:
<<
Y'all may have seen this already

1) Go to Google.com;
2) Type in (but don't hit return): "weapons of mass destruction"
3) Hit the "I'm feeling lucky" button, instead of the normal "Google search"
button.


>>

Yeah, I sent it to the list a week ago.

On to other things:  MSNBC's Countdown just announced that US Highway 666
has been renamed to US Highway 491.  Pity.

Evelyn Duncan
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In a message dated 7/15/2003 7:21:16 PM Central Daylight Time,
bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:
<<
No, but they sound like fun. Larry wants one to shoot at drivers to tick
him off.

>>

I know at least one person.  Right after the theft, I saw a guy running past
the apartment; he was wearing a red summer football outfit; a few days
ago, I saw the same outfit on a guy who was walking past.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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>
>No, but they sound like fun. Larry wants one to shoot at drivers WHO  tick
>him off.

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>
> >I'm trying to find the text to O'Hara's Having a Coke with You on the
> >web....with no success.
>
> http://www.michaelstamand.com/frank_o_hara/frankohara.htm#coke ?
>
> Pete

Weird. I had seen this page earlier, but when I thought I read a typo (top?)
in the first line, I figured I had an incorrect version. Perhaps it's not a
typo after all.

Thanks, Pete.

Sandra

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> sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM writes:
> <<
> I've gotta get a
> copy of Hitchhiker.
> >>
>
> Are you going to read the books or get the tapes of the radio show first?
>
 Evelyn Duncan

Is one better than the other?

Sandra

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In a message dated 7/15/2003 7:32:36 PM Central Daylight Time,
sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM writes:
<<
Is one better than the other?

>>

Not really;  I like them both.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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At 08:40 PM 7/15/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>I have given up on Market Dquare (downtown) for two reasons. One is the
>noise factor - there are lots of <festivals> there. Another is Knoxville's
>track record re downtown communites. It has not supported the Old City at
>all, and there is no reason to think that it will support Market Sq. over
>time. That's too bad - but that's the way it is. I will simply enjoy
>coming downtown for <events>.

Good luck, Bethany.  Have you ever owned a home before?

Betty

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Today, factory workers from across the street returned from their 2-week
vacation. Donna, our parking lot attendant, was supposed to return from
vacation also. She did not appear. I fear that Central Parking has fired
her.

I hope to be out of here by the end of August. If I can close on a
residence by the end of the month, I can move in August. I will probably
end up paying double rent/mortgage for one month - but I will need time to
get things out of here in an ordely fashion, so I will be willing to pay
that if necessary. Also, I may need to do some minor renovations wherever
I buy - I will do nothing major immediately, but it must be livable.

I have given up on Market Dquare (downtown) for two reasons. One is the
noise factor - there are lots of <festivals> there. Another is Knoxville's
track record re downtown communites. It has not supported the Old City at
all, and there is no reason to think that it will support Market Sq. over
time. That's too bad - but that's the way it is. I will simply enjoy
coming downtown for <events>.

Bethany

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Sandra writes,

>Weird. I had seen this page earlier, but when I thought I read a typo (top?)
>in the first line, I figured I had an incorrect version. Perhaps it's not a
>typo after all.

The poem is deconstructed here
<http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~conreys/genericfolder/oharaessay.html>, and the
quotes seem to match up.

Which doesn't mean it's actually the correct version, of course, but it
does make it seem likely.

Pete

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On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, Betty wrote:

>Good luck, Bethany.  Have you ever owned a home before?

Thanks, Betty. Oh yes, I have owned a home. I bought a little fixer-upper
back in the late 70s. I laugh now when I think of the difference in
economics. I paid $12,500 for it - my payments were about $112.00 per
month! Today, I could buy it with a credit card! I hated the fix-up part
of it. And having to mow the double lot - or find someone else to do it.
It was basically a nuisance. Our grad students like it - the huge yard
allowed for calf roasts, which my dep't use to provide for our
grad students. Eventually it became a half-calf roast, then zilch. I sold
it when I was in law school and undecided about my future - I was actually
clerking in Washington when I sold it. Justice oppered me a job, but I
eventually decided to remain an academic.

Bethany

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>>You have no idea how paintball guns work, do you?
>No, but they sound like fun. Larry wants one to
>shoot at drivers to tick him off.

A bett(y)er solution is to stop driving.

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> > The whole thing smacks of unreality, but supposing
> it
> > were to be true, what better way to entice
> deviants
> > out of their ivy-covered holes?  Uh oh, I thought
> a
> > heard an impassioned cry of "entrapment."
>
> What's an impassioned cry or two to the crusader
> against
> academics and deviants?

Okay, so "ivy-covered" was an ill-advised choice of
words.  Certainly no offense intended.  Still, when
you think about it...


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> Kind of like the Roman empire, you mean?

Perzackly.


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On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, boy wrote:

>> I have given up on Market Dquare (downtown) for two reasons. One is the
>
>So, like the rich, white people who move
>into the Quarter, you are shocked <shocked>
>by the fact that it's filthy, noisy, STANKY,
>and so on, when all you expected was to be
>surrounded by colorful, entertaining bohemians?

LOL! There is nothing filthy, noisy, STANKY about it - except that on
festival nights - Thursdays during the extended summer months -
there is amplified noise until the wee hours. It is NOTHING like the
Quarter. Alas.

Bethany

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> I hope to be out of here by the end of August. If I can close on a

> I have given up on Market Dquare (downtown) for two reasons. One is the

So, like the rich, white people who move
into the Quarter, you are shocked <shocked>
by the fact that it's filthy, noisy, STANKY,
and so on, when all you expected was to be
surrounded by colorful, entertaining bohemians?

Or what?

I've lost track of all your moves, would-be
moves and -- well, I *do* know about the
luggage, but still.

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>
> What's unreal about it is the details of
> it all.  I mean, WTF?  Just doesn't work.

But are you speaking as an academic or a deviant?


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> There are always those people
> who just like to rub it in.
>
>      - D. M.

Viva Doris!

BTW, on What Do You Know Sat AM, Feldman asked the
question regarding the navigational skills, polarized
moonlight, etc., of the dung beetle.  You can never
tell when such information wll prove vital.


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>
> Betty,
those things do a lot more than just sting a little.


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At 09:16 PM 7/15/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>Thanks, Betty. Oh yes, I have owned a home. I bought a little fixer-upper
>back in the late 70s. I laugh now when I think of the difference in
>economics. I paid $12,500 for it - my payments were about $112.00 per

What is it worth today?

Betty

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 Justice
> oppered me a job, but I
> eventually decided to remain an academic.
>
> Bethany

You've had some interesting bends of the river,
haven't you?  I'm speaking of career choices.


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It might be fun to spend summers on Swan Lake in Swanville, ME:

http://tinyurl.com/h26k

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At 06:50 PM 7/15/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
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> > Betty,
>those things do a lot more than just sting a little.

Bummer.  Worse than a cattle prod?

Betty

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> Bummer.  Worse than a cattle prod?
>
> Betty

I would think so, yes.  How much experience do you
have with cattle prods, and were they educational?


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At 07:00 PM 7/15/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > Bummer.  Worse than a cattle prod?
> >
> > Betty
>
>I would think so, yes.  How much experience do you
>have with cattle prods, and were they educational?

Larry "tested" one.  He got educated. My brother used to sell vetinary
supplies.

Betty

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Betty wrote:

> Larry "tested" one.  He got educated. My brother used to sell vetinary
> supplies.

On such subjects -- Spencer's vet said today that he (Spencer) has one
of the most gorgeous coats he has ever seen -- so sleek and shiny.  Made
me feel bad about rarely brushing him.  He was there for annual and
semi-annual shots.  I'm happy to report that he is finally under 55
pounds -- 54.2.  Dr. Anthony agreed that he has the body of a
bloodhound, btw.  He thinks he's got some bloodhound in him.  One of
these days I'm going to take a side picture of Spencer and put it
side-by-side with the bloodhound picture I saw on the web after the
Westminster dog show.  As I think I mentioned then, that bloodhound body
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--- Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:
> It might be fun to spend summers on Swan Lake in
> Swanville, ME:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/h26k
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Well, I don't know.  The one bathroom is on the main
floor and the school district is sad.  Still,
location, location, location...


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>
> Larry "tested" one.  He got educated. My brother
> used to sell vetinary
> supplies.
>
> Betty

At the Police Department where I work, we were
clearing out an old storage room about 20 years ago.
We found two old cattle prods.  The Chief of Police
was even more appalled than I was.


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At 07:49 PM 7/15/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
>At the Police Department where I work, we were
>clearing out an old storage room about 20 years ago.
>We found two old cattle prods.  The Chief of Police
>was even more appalled than I was.

I think it is a guy thing. They just have to check it out. My brother
watched him without saying a word.

Betty

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> I think it is a guy thing. They just have to check
> it out. My brother
> watched him without saying a word.
>
> Betty

So many things are guy things, she said ruefully.


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Do you go to the semiconductor show?

Betty

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> > There are always those people
> > who just like to rub it in.
> >
> >      - D. M.
>
> Viva Doris!
>
> BTW, on What Do You Know Sat AM, Feldman asked the
> question regarding the navigational skills, polarized
> moonlight, etc., of the dung beetle.  You can never
> tell when such information wll prove vital.
          -Lynne

Exactly.  That is why people form small groups like this
to keep each other well informed.

           - D. M.

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02003-07-15 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > > The whole thing smacks of unreality, but supposing
> > it
> > > were to be true, what better way to entice
> > deviants
> > > out of their ivy-covered holes?  Uh oh, I thought
> > a
> > > heard an impassioned cry of "entrapment."
> >
> > What's an impassioned cry or two to the crusader
> > against
> > academics and deviants?
>
> Okay, so "ivy-covered" was an ill-advised choice of
> words.  Certainly no offense intended.  Still, when
> you think about it...

Deviants are deviants.

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Betty writes,

>Do you go to the semiconductor show?

Nah, not my bag.  I'm into making computers and networks easier and better
for people to use, which doesn't have too much to do with how you make
computers.

I'll be going here for at least one day (can't goof off too much when
you're doing the startup thing): <http://www.alwayson-network.com/events/>.

Pete

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On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, Betty wrote:

>>Thanks, Betty. Oh yes, I have owned a home. I bought a little fixer-upper
>>back in the late 70s. I laugh now when I think of the difference in
>>economics. I paid $12,500 for it - my payments were about $112.00 per
>
>What is it worth today?

Good question. The new owner lucked out and got a new roof out of a hail
storm - I have not seen it for years - it is in a mixed-use neighborhood,
largely commercial now - I will guess low 20s. I made a few thousand on
it. The couple who bought it from me divorced and sold a few years after
getting the new roof.

Bethany

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Lynne Weber wrote:
> > It might be fun to spend summers on Swan Lake in
> > Swanville, ME:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/h26k
>
> Well, I don't know.  The one bathroom is on the main
> floor and the school district is sad.  Still,
> location, location, location...

The bathroom on the main floor is a good thing.  I wouldn't buy a house
without that -- so that in case of a broken leg or other disability I
could stay on the first floor, turning the living room into a bedroom if
necessary.  And the SAD school district would be ok until trying to sell
the house.  But one thought about having a summer home in a cold climate
is what would happen to it during winter.  Can one just close up a house
and let it freeze to death in one's absence?  It also mentioned well
water, iirc.  As I think I've said before, I like water that comes
through pipes from a city source.  Ditto sewerage -- I want my toilet to
squirt its contents away from my property to a public facility.  (I
think this house ad said something like "private sewers," whatever that
means.)

So probably I need to learn some more about such matters before buying a
house on Swan Lake.  Too bad I didn't drop by there on my trip.  It's
very close to Belfast, the place I fell in love with.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 07:45 PM 7/15/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
>--- Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:
> > It might be fun to spend summers on Swan Lake in
> > Swanville, ME:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/h26k
> >
> > --
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>Well, I don't know.  The one bathroom is on the main
>floor and the school district is sad.  Still,
>location, location, location...

The school district is not sad, it is SAD, which stands, I believe for
"School Administrative District."  Such districts are common in Maine,
especially where there are no counties.

cwv

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bethany K. Dumas
>Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 8:40 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Old City continues to deteriorate
>
>
>Today, factory workers from across the street returned from
>their 2-week vacation. Donna, our parking lot attendant, was supposed to
return from
>vacation also. She did not appear. I fear that Central Parking
>has fired her.
>

Yay for Donna!!!

Thanks again for our daily dairy entry.

alec

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lynne Weber
>Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 10:50 PM
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>
>
>>
>> Larry "tested" one.  He got educated. My brother
>> used to sell vetinary
>> supplies.
>>
>> Betty
>
>At the Police Department where I work, we were
>clearing out an old storage room about 20 years ago.
>We found two old cattle prods.  The Chief of Police
>was even more appalled than I was.
>
>
Surprised about a cattle prod in Alabama? LOL

alec

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... for yet another visit to the GMA. Master Carl shall entertain some of
his grandparents here during this time ...

Yes, I intend to check my bag. I have a direct flight -- less than three
hours from tarmac to tarmac.

Packing advice *entertained.*

AS

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>... for yet another visit to the GMA. Master Carl shall
>entertain some of
>his grandparents here during this time ...
>
>Yes, I intend to check my bag. I have a direct flight -- less
>than three
>hours from tarmac to tarmac.
>
>Packing advice *entertained.*
>
>AS
>


>Lots of jumpers!




>alec

!Indeed!


A "Often Imitated -- *Never* Replicated" S

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> The school district is not sad, it is SAD, which
> stands, I believe for
> "School Administrative District."  Such districts
> are common in Maine,
> especially where there are no counties.
>
> cwv

That, Mr. V., was just a weak-as-a-kitten attempt at
levity.  I wish I could say I have learned my lesson.


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> Surprised about a cattle prod in Alabama? LOL
>
> alec

Just slightly more surprised than brass knuckles or
shivs in Phi la.


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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Amy Burns Short
>Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 9:41 AM
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>
>
>... for yet another visit to the GMA. Master Carl shall
>entertain some of
>his grandparents here during this time ...
>
>Yes, I intend to check my bag. I have a direct flight -- less
>than three
>hours from tarmac to tarmac.
>
>Packing advice *entertained.*
>
>AS
>

Lots of jumpers!


alec

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Amy Burns Short wrote:

> Yes, I intend to check my bag. I have a direct flight -- less than three
> hours from tarmac to tarmac.

    Braggert[ette].

> Packing advice *entertained.*

    Light and loose.  8-)

    http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0716hot16.html

JMW

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At 10:29 PM 7/15/2003 -0700, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>Betty writes,
>
>>Do you go to the semiconductor show?
>
>Nah, not my bag.  I'm into making computers and networks easier and better
>for people to use, which doesn't have too much to do with how you make
>computers.

But, but they are displaying  Ryan's program that tests the robots that
move chips for making computers. He  also wrote a tutorial for the users of
the robots.


>I'll be going here for at least one day (can't goof off too much when
>you're doing the startup thing): <http://www.alwayson-network.com/events/>.


Will check this out.  I have to go to work now.

Betty


>Pete

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> > The school district is not sad, it is SAD, which
> > stands, I believe for
> > "School Administrative District."  Such districts
> > are common in Maine,
> > especially where there are no counties.
> >
> > cwv

    Rand McNally seems to think there are sixteen, big ones up north and
small ones down south.  Where are they not?

JMW, once chagrined to find out AZ has townships.

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Betty writes,

>But, but they are displaying  Ryan's program that tests the robots that
>move chips for making computers. He  also wrote a tutorial for the users of
>the robots.

Cool!  Still not quite enough to entice me to go, though. :)

Pete

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Karen Kay wrote:

>I like the Great Big Sea version.
>
>Lisa, this may mean we're evil twins!!!!
>
>Karen
>
>
>
fuckin' hell.. shoot me now.

lisa
I will not be assimilated!

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02003-07-16 | Lisa Alfieri <alfieri@COMCAST.NET> writes:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> >I like the Great Big Sea version.
> >
> >Lisa, this may mean we're evil twins!!!!
> >
> >Karen
>
> fuckin' hell.. shoot me now.
>
> lisa
> I will not be assimilated!

How evil!

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At 08:12 AM 7/16/2003 -0700, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>Betty writes,
>
>>But, but they are displaying  Ryan's program that tests the robots that
>>move chips for making computers. He  also wrote a tutorial for the users of
>>the robots.
>
>Cool!  Still not quite enough to entice me to go, though. :)

I know.  I was just bragging about Ryan. It was fun visiting where he
worked but I didn't understand that much.

Betty

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At 11:33 AM 7/16/2003 -0400, Lisa Alfieri wrote:
>Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>I like the Great Big Sea version.
>>
>>Lisa, this may mean we're evil twins!!!!
>>
>>Karen
>>
>>
>fuckin' hell.. shoot me now.
>
>lisa
>I will not be assimilated!


LOL

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From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> >guilty about putting our names on a do-not-call registry because
> it'll put >telemarketers out of work.
>
> I thought they were mostly machines these days, not people.  I guess
> people have to do the machine-setup/maintenance, though.  (Alyce did
> make me feel guilty about pushing my grocery buggy to a rack, but I
> still do it.  I just don't feel right abandoning it anyolewhere.)

I think of Alyce every time I just push it out of cars' way without returning it to the designated spot. I'm fine with it.

Marie

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> > Let me try: when I was a first-year graduate student, my usual
> lunch meal
> > cost 5 cents. At the student union, white bread and condiments
> > (mustard, etc.) were free, and cheese cost 5 cents a slice. So I
> often had
> > a 5 cent cheese sandwich for lunch.
>
> I'm not sure how that outpoors me. If I knew some place like that,
> I'd be eating there now.

And besides, Bethany's older than either of us (I think) so her 5 cents <back then> is like my 50 cent unachievable burrito. And besides, Bethany, you're saying you ate EVERY DAY????

Marie

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Your chance of being struck by lightning is 1 in 3,000-4,000.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> I'm not sure how that outpoors me. If I knew some place like that,
> I'd be eating there now.

Why? You could probably have the same thing at home even cheaper.

Marie

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> Packing advice *entertained.*

How long will you be in AZ?

Whorish jumper caught his eye -- I'd say definitely pack that one.  :-)

Marie

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> 02003-07-15 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> > > All NON-lamerz are welcome in July!
> >
> > I'll be right there!
>
> Umm ... heh heh ... you know "Marie", you have been away from home
> for too long. You need to ground yourself and reestablish your harmony
> with your land ...

I've got feelings you know.

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I may have mentioned this before, but as far back as I can remember, I have believed that being struck by lightning is how I will eventually die. Not because I'm afraid of it but because I am so drawn to it.
 
BrP
 
 


>>> natalie@MAYNOR.NET 07/16/03 01:40PM >>>
Your chance of being struck by lightning is 1 in 3,000-4,000.
--
-- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Nah, it's already done its work
 
BrP


>>> 14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET 07/16/03 02:02PM >>>
> Packing advice *entertained.*

How long will you be in AZ?

Whorish jumper caught his eye -- I'd say definitely pack that one.  :-)

Marie

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On Wednesday, July 16, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Your chance of being struck by lightning is 1 in 3,000-4,000.

Then Paul should have no problem.

Karen

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Bethany:
>It is NOTHING like the Quarter. Alas.

Well, noisy, anyway.

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JMW, on counties:

>Where are they not?

Louisiana and Alaska.  HAH!

> JMW, once chagrined to find out AZ has townships.

I know you're a sensitive guy and all,
but what's your issue with townships?

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N-Rod:
> Your chance of being struck by lightning is 1 in 3,000-4,000.

1 in negative 1,000?

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That comment alone should be enough to get you zapped
 
BrP
 
 


>>> rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU 07/16/03 02:29PM >>>
N-Rod:
> Your chance of being struck by lightning is 1 in 3,000-4,000.

1 in negative 1,000?

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> Whorish jumper caught his eye

    My eye had already been caught before Blue Jumper Day.

JMW

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boy wrote:

>
> Louisiana and Alaska.  HAH!

    Neither of which are in Maine.  DOUBLE HAH!

> I know you're a sensitive guy and all,
> but what's your issue with townships?

    Growing up in Northwest Ordinance country I knew all about them as
the smallest political unit, but out here things are done differently;
i.e., precincts.  This I proudly stated one day while working on the
reference desk.  Imagine my dismay when the patron returned the next day
with news that he had found out that it was a trick question, that AZ
*did* have "townships", but they were only for surveying purposes.  8-(
    Aah, its a Good Thing to be spectacularly wrong once in a while.
Keeps ya humble.

JMW

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At 01:58 PM 7/16/2003 -0400, Paul Barfoot wrote:
>I may have mentioned this before, but as far back as I can remember, I
>have believed that being struck by lightning is how I will eventually die.
>Not because I'm afraid of it but because I am so drawn to it.

Do you go outside during storms and stand alone in the field?

Betty

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At 01:48 PM 7/16/2003 -0400, Marie Ascher wrote:
>I think of Alyce every time I just push it out of cars' way without
>returning it to the designated spot. I'm fine with it.

We're always going to have these "Alyce" moments. I love it.

Marie, are you going to share anything about your trip?

Betty

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--On Monday, July 14, 2003 3:31 PM -0400 "Alec D. Plotkin"
<plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> wrote:

> Yucky
>
> http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic49.htm
>

Thanks for the link, alec, very informative.  Blood was taken to check for
lyme's and ehrlichiosis as well, but I haven't heard anything yet.

Terry

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> How is Scout Camp going, have you heard?
> clo


They come home tired but happy.  No war stories yet, but the week isn't
over!

Terry

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--On Tuesday, July 15, 2003 8:45 AM -0400 "clyde w. voigtlander"
<cwv@PANAX.COM> wrote:

> Do you
> have a Lyme disease problem in your area?
>

Very much so. Everyone in town knows someone who has had it.  The dogs can
be (and we do) vaccinated against it. It tends to hit the farmers a lot.

The nurses at the hospital say they've had a few cases of babesiosis and
that I looked good for having it.  Wouldn't want to know what bad was then.

Terry

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> Low red blood counts and platelets are no fun. Did they need to transfuse
> you?

No, they mentioned it as a possiblity, but wanted to see if I could do it
on my own and I did.

>Eat lots of red meat and iron filled veggies. Glad you kicked the
> bug.
>
> alec

Had my beets last night and spinach at lunch.  I'm thinking a good bowl of
beef chili sounds good as well.  I have had a chili craving for a couple of
weeks, guess I know why.

Terry

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On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:

>And besides, Bethany's older than either of us (I think) so her 5 cents
<back then> is like my 50 cent unachievable burrito. And besides,
Bethany, you're saying you ate EVERY DAY????

So _ I have outpoored AND outaged! Bravo!

(I ate lunch every day Mon-Fri.)

Bethany

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YOU ARE 1 IN 1,000,000 MY SWEET POLENTA!!!!@@!


02003-07-16 | Paul Barfoot <Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU> writes:
> I may have mentioned this before, but as far back as I can remember, I
> have believed that being struck by lightning is how I will eventually die.
> Not because I'm afraid of it but because I am so drawn to it.
>
> BrP
>
>
>
>
> >>> natalie@MAYNOR.NET 07/16/03 01:40PM >>>
> Your chance of being struck by lightning is 1 in 3,000-4,000.
> --
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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02003-07-16 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> > 02003-07-15 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> > > > All NON-lamerz are welcome in July!
> > >
> > > I'll be right there!
> >
> > Umm ... heh heh ... you know "Marie", you have been away from home
> > for too long. You need to ground yourself and reestablish your harmony
> > with your land ...
>
> I've got feelings you know.

PLEASE come to Chicago!!!!

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On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, boy wrote:

>>It is NOTHING like the Quarter. Alas.
>
>Well, noisy, anyway.

No - only on Thursday evenings during the extended summer season. It's
extraordinarily quiet otherrwise.

Bethany

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At 05:15 PM 7/16/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:
>>Low red blood counts and platelets are no fun. Did they need to transfuse
>>you?
>
>No, they mentioned it as a possiblity, but wanted to see if I could do it
>on my own and I did.

Glad you're home and recovering. Whew.

Betty

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We still have a parking lot attendant! A number of us missed her yesterday
- it turned out that she was not due back until today.

Bethany

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>
>
> 02003-07-16 | Paul Barfoot <Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > I may have mentioned this before, but as far back as I can remember,
I
> > have believed that being struck by lightning is how I will
eventually die.
> > Not because I'm afraid of it but because I am so drawn to it.
> >
> > BrP

I can understand this feeling.  I am fascinated with
thunder storms and though I don't walk out into
bad weather, I do stand in a doorway to watch the
bolts of lightening and to breathe in the ozone.
I once paid money to a good professional astrologer
and one thing that was mentioned was that I was
likely to have a sudden death . . as in being struck
by lightening.  'Course I know you can't plan on
that stuff.

               - D. M.

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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 18:06:34 -0400
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> Glad you're home and recovering. Whew.
>
> Betty

Thanks.  I've got to build those red blood cells before I see you so I
don't poop out on the gazillion things we'll be doing.

Terry

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Marie:
>>make me feel guilty about pushing my grocery buggy to a rack, but I
>I think of Alyce every time I just push it out of cars' way
>without returning it to the designated spot. I'm fine with it.

I must not have been paying attention the
first time around.  What I am hearing is
that you should leave the cart (buggy, for
you southrons) whereveryouplease.

To what end?  That is to say, why?

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At 06:06 PM 7/16/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>>Glad you're home and recovering. Whew.
>>
>>Betty
>
>Thanks.  I've got to build those red blood cells before I see you so I
>don't poop out on the gazillion things we'll be doing.

That's right. We'll plan on red wine to help.

Betty

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BrP:
> That comment alone should be enough to get you zapped

As should Natalie's naked statement that
you have a one-in-X-thousand chance of
being struck by lightning.

Today?  This week?  In a thunderstorm?

Over a life of eighty years?

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JMW, on another topic, which I am hijacking:
>Aah, its a Good Thing to be spectacularly wrong once in a while.

The expression "spectacularly wrong" came
to mind when they finally ran down our local
serial killer a few weeks ago.  The EXPERT
profilers told all and sundry that he was
a disgruntled, middle-aged white guy with
major socialization problems.

Turned out the guy who left all the DNA on
all the victims is a black chap, acknowledged
by all who know him as a charming ladies man.

I guess that disgruntled, middle-aged white
guy was busy shooting people in DC instead
of strangling women in Lousiana.

Oh.  Wait...

--
D, M-A WG (w/MSP)

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> Do you go outside during storms and stand alone in the field?

Waving a long, metal pole above your
head enhances the experience.

Or, you could go the SCA route, dress
up in a powdered wig, and fly a kite.

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Betty Clark wrote:
> Do you go outside during storms and stand alone in the field?

With a kite.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>
>I must not have been paying attention the
>first time around.  What I am hearing is
>that you should leave the cart (buggy, for
>you southrons) whereveryouplease.
>
>To what end?  That is to say, why?

So they have to hire someone to collect them.  Provides jobs.

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Terry Wild wrote:

> > Do you
> > have a Lyme disease problem in your area?
> >
>
> Very much so. Everyone in town knows someone who has had it.  The dogs can
> be (and we do) vaccinated against it. It tends to hit the farmers a lot.

I was talking about Lyme disease with the vet's assistant just yesterday
as she was reviewing Spencer's chart pre-shots.  I had said no to the
Lyme vaccination for Bernardykins years ago because he never had a
tick.  And I continued that with Spencer, who also doesn't have ticks.
So I told her no again (though I did pause and wonder about that tick or
spider or whatever it was that bit me between the boobs over a year ago
-- the place that still is red and itchy from it).

Speaking of dogs, I just got back from my first <executive meeting> -- a
limited one -- just the Pres and me -- of ARF, which has nothing to do
with dogs.  Did I mention that I'm now VP of this organization that I
haven't even been to a meeting of yet?  It's the Association of Retired
Faculty.  I learned today that I'm in charge of all the programs for the
coming year, including the big xmas banquet with its food, decorations,
musical entertainment, background music, Santa giving gifts, etc.  We've
changed the date of next July's meeting, when I will end my term as VP
and be elected Pres, because of a Words-L conflict.  It was going to be
something like July 6, and I said to the Pres that I might not be in
town on that date -- that I might not have returned yet from Nambia or
Missouri or wherever -- that the period of time around July 4 is blocked
on my calendar for the rest of my life.

> The nurses at the hospital say they've had a few cases of babesiosis and
> that I looked good for having it.  Wouldn't want to know what bad was then.

It is sure good to have you posting again and sounding your normal,
perky self.
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Doris Markland wrote:

> likely to have a sudden death . . as in being struck
> by lightening.

Can one be suddenly struck by albinoism?  And does it lead to death?
(Sorry -- Alyce's spirit made me do it.)

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boy wrote:
> What I am hearing is
> that you should leave the cart (buggy, for
> you southrons) whereveryouplease.
>
> To what end?  That is to say, why?

Supposedly to support the jobs of the people hired to roam around
parking lots gathering the buggies.  But I don't think many people are
hired for just buggy-rounding, at least in my shopping places.  And I
don't know that it takes them all that much longer to roam around
gathering the ones left in whereveryouplease spots than it does to
gather the ones in the buggy corrals.  The argument for leaving them
anyolewhere reminds me of the argument I've heard pro-littering -- that
picking up trash you throw out of a car window or whatever gives
somebody a job.  Maybe it's true.  But it nevertheless screams <tacky>
to me.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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boy wrote:
>
> BrP:
> > That comment alone should be enough to get you zapped
>
> As should Natalie's naked statement that
> you have a one-in-X-thousand chance of
> being struck by lightning.

I thought sure somebody would say "I just heard that too."  I heard it
on NPR in my car sometime today -- an interview with a doctor at the U
of Chicago who specializes in lightning-struck people.

> Today?  This week?  In a thunderstorm?
>
> Over a life of eighty years?

She did not make those things clear, although I inferred that she meant
over a lifetime of some fairly long length.  It did occur to me, though,
that how you live your life might contribute to the likelihood.

--
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>   I learned today that I'm in charge of all the programs for the
>coming year, including the big xmas banquet with its food, decorations,
>musical entertainment, background music, Santa giving gifts, etc.

You haven't learned to say NO?

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On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>haven't even been to a meeting of yet?  It's the Association of Retired
>Faculty.  I learned today that I'm in charge of all the programs for the
>coming year, including the big xmas banquet with its food, decorations,
>musical entertainment, background music, Santa giving gifts, etc.  We've
>changed the date of next July's meeting, when I will end my term as VP
>and be elected Pres, because of a Words-L conflict.  It was going to be

I may retire someday. If I do, I will not "be in charge of all the
programs for the >coming year, including the big xmas banquet with its
food, decorations, >musical entertainment, background music, Santa giving
gifts, etc."

Yuck!

Bethany

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Betty Clark wrote:

> You haven't learned to say NO?

YES. I have become really, really good at saying no to research-related
stuff -- things like people asking me to be on panels or programs or
co-authoring or submitting book chapters or whatever.  My NOs to such
invitations have gotten easier with the passing of time, but even the
first ones were clear.  I'm also inching toward that with evaluating
grant proposals and serving on review boards for journals.  I'm not far
away from ridding myself totally of professional obligations.

But ARF is different.  It may be kind of fun to hang around with these
old people and to help expand what ARF does.  The Pres, a person I've
known for many years -- a retired biologist I met almost immediately
upon my move to Starkville because he and I were both active in CLEAN
(Committee for Leaving the Environment of America Natural), is very
energetic and full of ideas of things ARF can do, like trying to ferret
out retired people in the area who aren't as <lucky> as we are -- who
don't have the good PERS plan going for them and who may be needy.
We're going to try to help HforH identify and help elderly people in
need of housing, adopt elderly person/people at xmas, etc. etc.  Armando
and I are of like minds in what we would like to see ARF do.  I think
it's going to be fun.

--
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>    My eye had already been caught before Blue Jumper Day.

>JMW

Thanks, Dear.

Do keep in mind that this <service> is not exactly The First to Know.

:).

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> Supposedly to support the jobs of the people hired
> to roam around
> parking lots gathering the buggies.  But I don't
> think many people are
> hired for just buggy-rounding, at least in my
> shopping places.  And I
> don't know that it takes them all that much longer
> to roam around
> gathering the ones left in whereveryouplease spots
> than it does to
> gather the ones in the buggy corrals.  The argument
> for leaving them
> anyolewhere reminds me of the argument I've heard
> pro-littering -- that
> picking up trash you throw out of a car window or
> whatever gives
> somebody a job.  Maybe it's true.  But it
> nevertheless screams <tacky>
> to me.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

IMO, there are so many good reasons for not leaving
carts/buggies skittering around on their own, that the
two most obvious may be overlooked - it would be
inconsiderate and discourteous (tacky being a lesser
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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU>
> At 01:48 PM 7/16/2003 -0400, Marie Ascher wrote:
> >I think of Alyce every time I just push it out of cars' way without
> >returning it to the designated spot. I'm fine with it.
>
> We're always going to have these "Alyce" moments. I love it.

Yep. I think of her every day for various reasons. She definitely made impact.

> Marie, are you going to share anything about your trip?

All in good time, m'dear.

My digital camera wasn't working so I took ten rolls of regular film. Most have been developed and I'll scan some to tell my story. But in case I don't:

The Alhambra was probably the coolest thing I saw. That and Gaudi's La Familia Sagrada. And a little punk gypsy boy threw olives at me in Sevilla.

Marie

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> inconsiderate and discourteous (tacky being a lesser
> included offense).

I include inconsiderate and discourteous in what I mean by tacky in this
context.  Iow, I don't really care about whether anybody observes me --
it's not a matter of tacky in the sense of one's choice of clothing or
whatever.  I would feel it just as tacky to leave a loose buggy in a
parking lot in the middle of the night with no observers anywhere in the
vicinity.  It just doesn't seem <right> to me.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> loose buggy in a
> parking lot in the middle of the night with no
> observers anywhere in the
> vicinity.  It just doesn't seem <right> to me.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

You have found a kindred soul.


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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> 02003-07-16 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> > From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> > > 02003-07-15 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> > > > > All NON-lamerz are welcome in July!
> > > >
> > > > I'll be right there!
> > >
> > > Umm ... heh heh ... you know "Marie", you have been away from home
> > > for too long. You need to ground yourself and reestablish your
> harmony> > with your land ...
> >
> > I've got feelings you know.
>
> PLEASE come to Chicago!!!!

Thank you sweetheart. I knew you cared.

Marie

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> > We're always going to have these "Alyce" moments. I love it.
>
> Yep. I think of her every day for various reasons. She definitely made impact.

The world is much diminished without her.  One thing I've smiled at in a
sad way is thinking about Alyce when people say I'm liberal.  I am (I
certainly hope).  In a choice between liberal and conservative, I hope
my marking is distinctly liberal.  But compared to Alyce, I am
conservative in many ways.  She was a true liberal.  Although I disagree
on certain points with her kind of liberalism, I like that it exists.
(I realize that doesn't make much sense.  Can't really explain it.  It's
things like why prisoners shouldn't be expected to work, doing things
like making license tags or whatever.  I see nothing at all wrong with
that, as long as they aren't subjected to abuse.  So I disagree with
Alyce on such matters.  But I like that people like Alyce think about
such things -- that they question the system.)

> The Alhambra was probably the coolest thing I saw.

Cool it indeed was the one time I've been there.  I almost froze to
death in the cold drizzle.

--
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> > loose buggy in a
> > parking lot in the middle of the night with no
> > observers anywhere in the
> > vicinity.  It just doesn't seem <right> to me.
> >
> > --
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> You have found a kindred soul.

Two kindred souls.

       - D. M.

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>The Alhambra was probably the coolest thing I saw.

Yes, *very* nice. I was there around this time of year ... 15 years ago.

>That and Gaudi's La Familia Sagrada.

Tambien. I went there on my 21st birthday ... a bit more than 15 years ago.
Well, not that much more, now that I think about it.

Did you stay at any of Spain's paradores while there? Very nice.

Time to go back.

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Alyce was a very wonderful person, but she was offbase re the buggies. No
one is hired just to retrieve them. All one does if one leaves them in the
middle of the parking lot is insure that grocery prices will rise to
reflect the expense of the damaged/stolen buggies.

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> > The Alhambra was probably the coolest thing I saw.
>
> Cool it indeed was the one time I've been there.  I almost froze to
> death in the cold drizzle.

It was pretty warm the whole time we were in Spain. But perhaps for the first time I fully understood what people mean by "but it's a dry heat". It was in the nineties most of the time but not nearly as nasty to the humid northeast mess I left and returned home to. I was very impressed by the coolness (temperature-wise I mean now) of places like the Alhambra.

The best meal I had in Spain was a lunch at a little tapas place down the street a bit from the cathedral in Sevilla. We had fried sardines and shark (dogfish actually I think), a tuna salad with olives, and a mushroom concoction. And Cruzcampo beer. The bartenders kept your tab in chalk on the bar in front of you. It was classic.

I didn't experience the thick olive oil thing that Lisa described.

Marie

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02003-07-16 | boy <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> BrP:
> > That comment alone should be enough to get you zapped
>
> As should Natalie's naked statement that
> you have a one-in-X-thousand chance of
> being struck by lightning.
>
> Today?  This week?  In a thunderstorm?
>
> Over a life of eighty years?

What part of 1 in 3000 don't you understand, PINHEAD?
Take 3000 parts, it's one of them. DUHHHH

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>"but it's a dry heat."

Yep. Vastly preferable.

Going west to test out an extreme of that myself.

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> Alyce was a very wonderful person, but she was offbase re the
> buggies. No
> one is hired just to retrieve them.

Actually, yes they are.

All one does if one leaves
> them in the
> middle of the parking lot is insure that grocery prices will rise to
> reflect the expense of the damaged/stolen buggies.

I never leave them in the MIDDLE of the parking lot.

Actually, one of the stores that I shop at most often -- the one that comes to mind when I think about leaving my cart -- doesn't even have a return spot. Unless one is to take the cart all the way back to the door. There are always teenagers roaming the lot collecting carts. I am sure that the store considers this a service provided to the customer. Everyone leaves them off to the side in the lot. It's just the way it is.

At the A&P where they do have a return spot, they also have a person who I have only seen doing that job. If he does other things, I don't know what. I think I am inconsistent in my behavior in that lot, though. Probably because there is a "Please return carts here" spot.

Marie

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> Did you stay at any of Spain's paradores while there? Very nice.

I don't think so. Remember, this was a <budget> trip for high school students. Our hotels were <okay>, not Very Nice.

But for our high school teachers (who is there now, just Rita?), I would recommend this company if you are up for it -- EF Tours http://www.eftours.com/public/home.asp . My mother has been travelling with student groups through them for several years now.

Marie

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Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> > Did you stay at any of Spain's paradores while there? Very nice.
>
> I don't think so. Remember, this was a <budget> trip for high school students. Our hotels were <okay>, not Very Nice.

Staying in a parador used to be quite reasonable in Spain, but the
prices have inched up through the years.  There are still some that
aren't extremely expensive.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>>Did you stay at any of Spain's paradores while there? Very nice.

>I don't think so. Remember, this was a <budget> trip for high school
>students.

Ah. Hadn't caught that part. I used to get materials from EF Tours.

Sounds like you had a nice trip!

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On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:

>> buggies. No
>> one is hired just to retrieve them.
>
>Actually, yes they are.

Cite, please. (No anecdotes.)>

Bethany

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Every hotel we stayed at in Spain is on the web. In order:

We stayed here in Madrid. It was fine, nicely located. Rooms were small but serviceable:
http://bestwestern.worldexecutive.com/directory/spain/madrid/hotels/92185.html

This hotel in Sevilla was nice inside, but in a bad neighborhood -- this is where the punk gypsy kid threw olives at me:
http://www.hoteles-catalonia.es/es/fichas/urbana.php?c_hotel=27&PHPSESSID=7d67a68967278ef086d04921762a1b38

This hotel in Torremolinos on the Costa del Sol was nasty and the people who worked there were nasty:
http://www.hotelinks.com/Picasso_hotel.htm

In Granada, we had what was probably the nicest place we stayed in -- suites not just rooms which suited me as I'm a night owl and my roommate sister thinks sleep is very important. The pictures on the web don't do it justice: http://www.allrez.com/static/spain/granada/APARTHOTEL-MARIOLA.asp

In Valencia, we had a room with full windows overlooking the street at this hotel: http://www.hotel-club.org/hotels.php/Catalonia_Excelsior_Hotel_Valencia.htm

In Barcelona we stayed here, another Catalonia hotel. Again nice, and there was nothing wrong with the neighborhood, but we had to take the Metro to get downtown -- which I actually enjoy so:
http://www.hoteles-catalonia.es/es/fichas/urbana.php?c_hotel=13

Marie


----- Original Message -----
From: Marie Ascher <14lodge@optonline.net>
Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 10:39 pm
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> > Did you stay at any of Spain's paradores while there? Very nice.
>
> I don't think so. Remember, this was a <budget> trip for high
> school students. Our hotels were <okay>, not Very Nice.
>
> But for our high school teachers (who is there now, just Rita?), I
> would recommend this company if you are up for it -- EF Tours
> http://www.eftours.com/public/home.asp . My mother has been
> travelling with student groups through them for several years now.
>
> Marie
>

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has a blog:
 http://davebarry.blogspot.com/

I wish Myles had one.

Ann

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From: "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU>
Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 10:34 pm
Subject: Re: Natalie - The Little Dooey?

> On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> >> buggies. No
> >> one is hired just to retrieve them.
> >
> >Actually, yes they are.
>
> Cite, please. (No anecdotes

Maybe you can provide a cite to the contrary?

Marie

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>
http://www.hoteles-catalonia.es/es/fichas/urbana.php?c_hotel=13
>
> Marie

Dumb question time.  What is a(n) euro worth now, in
dollars?


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Physics in Anglo-Saxonhttp://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ander-Saxon




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Lynne Weber wrote:

> Dumb question time.  What is a(n) euro worth now, in
> dollars?

$1.12090

from: http://www.x-rates.com/calculator.html

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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The first is intro; it's the second sentence I really like.

>From http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EG18Ak01.html :

"The Persian emperors used to have courtiers whose job was to whisper
regularly in the rulers' ears the message that they were only mortal.
Looking at the Persian Gulf today and the respective pitfalls of US
President George W Bush, British Prime Minister Tony Blair, and former
Iraqi president Saddam Hussein in the Iraq war, it appears the
courtiers' profession needs reviving."

Karen

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VietNam all over again...

"The new commander of U.S. forces in Iraq labeled the conflict there a
guerrilla war for the first time yesterday, and said replacement
troops to be sent there should expect year-long deployments of the
type used during the Vietnam War."

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/ny-wopent173374550jul17,0,1759232.story?coll=ny-worldnews-headlines

or

http://tinyurl.com/h7re

Karen

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----- Original Message -----
From: Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 11:18 pm
Subject: Re: Alyce and Marie

> >
> http://www.hoteles-catalonia.es/es/fichas/urbana.php?c_hotel=13
> >
> > Marie
>
> Dumb question time.  What is a(n) euro worth now, in
> dollars?

The dollar is doing poorly against the Euro, although I see it's already getting better since my return: 1 Euro = 1.11925 USD. Courtesy of http://www.xe.com/ucc/ The Universal Currency Converter.

Marie

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On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:

>> Cite, please. (No anecdotes
>
>Maybe you can provide a cite to the contrary?

I did not think you could.

Bethany

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Amy Burns Short wrote:

> Going west to test out an extreme of that myself.

    But you/'re bringing rain!

JMW

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Karen Kay wrote:

> "The Persian emperors used to have courtiers whose job was to whisper
> regularly in the rulers' ears the message that they were only mortal.

    In "The History of the World, Part One" the guy holding the laurel
wreath over Ceasar's head got to whisper "Remember, thou art mortal" about
three times before Mel Brooks turned around and snarled, "Aw, blow it out
your ass!"

JMW

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Amy Burns Short wrote:


> Going west to test out an extreme of that myself.


>    But you/'re bringing rain!


> JMW

Gee, I hope so! I'm counting on it.

Your Betrothed

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> The dollar is doing poorly against the Euro,
> although I see it's already getting better since my
> return: 1 Euro = 1.11925 USD. Courtesy of
> http://www.xe.com/ucc/ The Universal Currency
> Converter.
>
> Marie

Thank you, Marie.  Have you shed the effects of the
cous cous yet?


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Amy Burns Short wrote:

> Amy Burns Short wrote:
>
> >    But you/'re bringing rain!
>
> Gee, I hope so! I'm counting on it.

    I just checked with NOAA.  "Remains of Claudette" would make a nice
book title, wouldn't it?

JMW

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Bettah:
> So they have to hire someone to collect them.  Provides jobs.

WHAT?

You mean the kid who retrieves the carts from
the buggy corral doesn't do that?  That they
hire a specialist cart-wrangler to round up
the strays and the mavericks?

That's the most hare-brained make-work scheme
since the sugar subsidy.

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Natalie:
> anyolewhere reminds me of the argument I've heard pro-littering -- that

Indeed.  I'm going to start dumping my
garbage on other peoples front lawns so
they have to hire someone to clean it up.

Spread the word!  We will have unemployment
under control in no time!

We should all stop flushing, too.

That'd be cool.

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>it appears the courtiers' profession needs reviving."

Whereas I think the courtesan's profession
needs reviving.

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> Take 3000 parts, it's one of them. DUHHHH

Thank you, Rabbi Samant.

All is clear now.

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When I was in Spain, we stayed at a few paradors.  They were all wonderful
-- clean, charming, etc.  The one in Granada had stunning views from the
balcony.    The parador in Seville was also particularly nice -- a few steps
off the square.  I don't remember the name of it -- Duchess Maria or
something like that.  The room was done in pink silk damask with these old
pink blown glass light fixtures.

Oh, here's one, but I can't find the one in Seville.  Maybe it isn't there
anymore.
http://www.paradores-spain.com/spain/pgranada.html
In any case, the prices were far more reasonable in the early 90's.

We saw the Alhambra on a gorgeous January day.  Not much in bloom, but the
place still shimmered.

I am quite familiar with EF since that's the organization I get my exchange
students from.  I've never taken one of their tours, but I could for free if
I got off my ass and placed a bunch of students.

Meanwhile, I'm pretty much ready to go home.  It's been an emotional trip.

-- Rita C.

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From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@maynor.net>
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Why Amazon is fast:  I knew it had lots of warehouses, but I didn't
realize how widespread they were -- that my Amazon orders arrive quickly
because they're coming from Georgia.

Why UPS Ground is faster than UPS Air:  I notice that my package started
its UPS travels from the same point as the modem did.  This package (SC
and NC atlases) is coming by ground; the modem came by air.  The modem
took longer because it had to fly first to Dallas and lounge around
there.  This ground package just headed on straight from Georgia to
Mississippi:

Jul 17, 2003    06:00:00 AM    MAYHEW MS US    OUT FOR DELIVERY
Jul 17, 2003    04:18:00 AM    MAYHEW MS US    ARRIVAL SCAN
Jul 16, 2003    10:59:00 PM    JACKSON MS US    DEPARTURE SCAN
Jul 16, 2003    02:00:00 PM    JACKSON MS US    LOCATION SCAN
Jul 16, 2003    11:46:00 AM    JACKSON MS US    ARRIVAL SCAN
Jul 16, 2003    02:41:00 AM    DORAVILLE GA US    DEPARTURE SCAN
Jul 15, 2003    08:48:14 PM    DORAVILLE GA US    ORIGIN SCAN
Jul 15, 2003    08:11:33 PM    Commerce GA USA    SHIPPED
Jul 15, 2003    07:20:04 PM    US    BILLING INFORMATION RECEIVED

Tracking is fun.  I can't track my "Invaders from Mars" since it was
shipped by CatandDog(?) rather than by Amazon itself.  But I expect it
to arrive at any moment now also since I did get e-mail from
CatandDog(?) saying it had been shipped.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Betty Clark wrote:

>  Marie Ascher wrote:
> >I think of Alyce every time I just push it out of cars' way without
> >returning it to the designated spot. I'm fine with it.
>
> We're always going to have these "Alyce" moments. I love it.

Recently in several writings hints on Alice in Wonderland have occurred.
I always find myself thinking for a short moment: why, it is not right
spelling.

Kristin, if not here then either on hot sand or in lukewarm river. The
hot days are here -- yippee! (And some of the proofreading can be done
on the beach.)

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Rita Rouvalis wrote:

> Meanwhile, I'm pretty much ready to go home.  It's been an emotional trip.

I didn't realize you were staying this long in Massachusetts.  I thought
you were home by now.  When will you be home?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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I may retire someday. If I do, I will not "be in charge of all the
>programs for the >coming year, including the big xmas banquet with its
>food, decorations, >musical entertainment, background music, Santa giving
>gifts, etc."
>
>Yuck!
>
>Bethany

I wouldn't be in charge if I hadn't retired.

Double Yuck!

Betty

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From: "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU>
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> >> Cite, please. (No anecdotes
> >
> >Maybe you can provide a cite to the contrary?
>
> I did not think you could.

Next time I'm at the particular store I am thinking of, I will ask the boys in the lot. Would that suffice?

Marie

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At 06:38 PM 7/16/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>YES. I have become really, really good at saying no to research-related
>stuff -- things like people asking me to be on panels or programs or
>co-authoring or submitting book chapters or whatever.  My NOs to such
>invitations have gotten easier with the passing of time, but even the
>first ones were clear.  I'm also inching toward that with evaluating
>grant proposals and serving on review boards for journals.  I'm not far
>away from ridding myself totally of professional obligations.
>
>But ARF is different.  It may be kind of fun to hang around with these
>old people and to help expand what ARF does.  The Pres, a person I've
>known for many years -- a retired biologist I met almost immediately
>upon my move to Starkville because he and I were both active in CLEAN
>(Committee for Leaving the Environment of America Natural), is very
>energetic and full of ideas of things ARF can do, like trying to ferret
>out retired people in the area who aren't as <lucky> as we are -- who
>don't have the good PERS plan going for them and who may be needy.
>We're going to try to help HforH identify and help elderly people in
>need of housing, adopt elderly person/people at xmas, etc. etc.  Armando
>and I are of like minds in what we would like to see ARF do.  I think
>it's going to be fun.

That indeed sounds much different from playing Santa and organizing parties.

Betty

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At 09:09 AM 7/17/2003 -0500, boy wrote:
>That's the most hare-brained make-work scheme
>since the sugar subsidy.

Relieves my guilt.  I used to return them.

Betty

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
> I may retire someday. If I do, I will not "be in charge of all the
> >programs for the >coming year, including the big xmas banquet with its
> >food, decorations, >musical entertainment, background music, Santa giving
> >gifts, etc."
> >Yuck!
> >Bethany
> I wouldn't be in charge if I hadn't retired.
> Double Yuck!

Some people like to do that stuff and I don't think you should piss on it.

I think you have very poor attitudes.

Vanessa Getty

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At 08:20 AM 7/17/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>I think you have very poor attitudes.

You have a problem with that? Talk to the hand.

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> Bettah:
> > So they have to hire someone to collect them.  Provides jobs.
>
> WHAT?
>
> You mean the kid who retrieves the carts from
> the buggy corral doesn't do that?  That they
> hire a specialist cart-wrangler to round up
> the strays and the mavericks?
>
> That's the most hare-brained make-work scheme
> since the sugar subsidy.

They don't hire per se. They usually contract it out to someone who is
self-employed and owns a truck.

Sandra

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> Thank you, Marie.  Have you shed the effects of the
> cous cous yet?

I believe I have. I don't know what it is that had me colonized.

I haven't been scared off couscous though. I made my own version of Moroccan chicken the other day, which is better than what I had there, and without the after-effects.

Marie

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Ann Borkin wrote:
> > I may retire someday. If I do, I will not "be in charge of all the
> > >programs for the >coming year, including the big xmas banquet with its
> > >food, decorations, >musical entertainment, background music, Santa giving
> > >gifts, etc."
> > >Yuck!
> > >Bethany
> > I wouldn't be in charge if I hadn't retired.
> > Double Yuck!
>
> Some people like to do that stuff and I don't think you should piss on it.

Fwiw, I don't like to do that kind of stuff (though I agree that there
are people who do).  I'm willing to do it to help an organization that I
think is a good organization -- good either for pleasure it offers its
members or for services to others.  I think ARF is such an organization
in both respects.  I'm guessing that most of the members have other
activities and people in their lives, but it may be that there are some
really old, possibly lonely, people in it who really look forward to the
xmas banquet.  That's a good enough reason for working to make it
happen.  I'm more interested in the other things ARF may do, though.  I
can endure the xmas-banquet arrangements in order to move on with more
interesting, possibly more valuable, stuff.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> They don't hire per se. They usually contract it out to someone
> who is
> self-employed and owns a truck.

Where in anyolewhere do you think these carts are getting to?

A truck?

Marie

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> I am quite familiar with EF since that's the organization I get my
> exchangestudents from.  I've never taken one of their tours, but I
> could for free if
> I got off my ass and placed a bunch of students.

Exactly. My trip was free because my mother placed a huge bunch.

Marie

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Marie:
>Next time I'm at the particular store I am
>thinking of, I will ask the boys in the lot.
>Would that suffice?

What we are looking for is a person who
was hired for the specific purpose of
tracking down the *loose* carts.

We are looking for a person whose job exists
solely because of the selfless people who do
not return their carts to the corral.

That would suffice for me, yes.



>>No one is hired just to retrieve them.
>Actually, yes they are.

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sandra wrote:
>
> > Bettah:
> > > So they have to hire someone to collect them.  Provides jobs.
> >
> > WHAT?
> >
> > You mean the kid who retrieves the carts from
> > the buggy corral doesn't do that?  That they
> > hire a specialist cart-wrangler to round up
> > the strays and the mavericks?
> >
> > That's the most hare-brained make-work scheme
> > since the sugar subsidy.
>
> They don't hire per se. They usually contract it out to someone who is
> self-employed and owns a truck.

?  What does owning a truck have to do with gathering loose buggies in
parking lots?  Here the same people who do stuff like restocking shelves
or bagging in stores that have separate baggers do the buggy-gathering.
They do inside jobs for a while, then when the inside buggy-supply
starts getting low, they go outside and bring them in from the
buggy-corrals plus chasing the stray ones and adding them to the long
line of buggies that get pushed into the store.  I'm not sure how owning
a truck would be relevant to the process.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> I'm still obsessed with this job-creation thing.

Yes, utilizing this philosophy, the range of similar
positions is very nearly unlimited.


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Marie:
> Where in anyolewhere do you think these carts are getting to?
> A truck?

Sandra must be thinking of the carts that are, uh,
liberated and end up in peoples homes.

When I lived in the slum, everybody had stolen one
to tote their clothes to the laundromat and back.

I'm still obsessed with this job-creation thing.

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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, boy wrote:

>>thinking of, I will ask the boys in the lot.
>>Would that suffice?
>
>What we are looking for is a person who >was hired for the specific
purpose of >tracking down the *loose* carts.
>
>We are looking for a person whose job exists >solely because of the
selfless people who do >not return their carts to the corral.

What he said.

Bethany

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> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, boy wrote:
>
> >>thinking of, I will ask the boys in the lot.
> >>Would that suffice?
> >
> >What we are looking for is a person who >was hired for the specific
> purpose of >tracking down the *loose* carts.
> >
> >We are looking for a person whose job exists >solely because of the
> selfless people who do >not return their carts to the corral.
>
> What he said.
>
> Bethany

It used to be, in trying to warn off people who take buggies off the
premises, you placed a 25 cent deposit at the place where you got the cart.
Then, when you returned it, you got your quarter back. People would mill
around the parking lot, and as people loaded their groceries in their cars,
they would get approached by others who would offer to take their
cart....then they'd return it and make a quarter off it.

Sandra

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> sandra wrote:
> >
> > > Bettah:
> > > > So they have to hire someone to collect them.  Provides jobs.
> > >
> > > WHAT?
> > >
> > > You mean the kid who retrieves the carts from
> > > the buggy corral doesn't do that?  That they
> > > hire a specialist cart-wrangler to round up
> > > the strays and the mavericks?
> > >
> > > That's the most hare-brained make-work scheme
> > > since the sugar subsidy.
> >
> > They don't hire per se. They usually contract it out to someone who is
> > self-employed and owns a truck.
>
> ?  What does owning a truck have to do with gathering loose buggies in
> parking lots?  Here the same people who do stuff like restocking shelves
> or bagging in stores that have separate baggers do the buggy-gathering.
> They do inside jobs for a while, then when the inside buggy-supply
> starts getting low, they go outside and bring them in from the
> buggy-corrals plus chasing the stray ones and adding them to the long
> line of buggies that get pushed into the store.  I'm not sure how owning
> a truck would be relevant to the process.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

These independent contractors are selfmade buggy bounty hunters. They
repossess carts they find on the street....place them in their trucks
(economy of scale at play here) and they return them for a finder's fee from
local stores. Maybe they don't have that kind of volume in a small town like
yours. But in SF, where lots of people take carts for various reaons (carry
your entire belongings and the elderly are often seen pushing carts blocks
and blocks from the store they shopped at), we have lots of stray carts and
people can make a living recollecting and returning them. In volume. I've
seen lots of pickups brimming with recollected carts.

Sandra

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> I'm still obsessed with this job-creation thing.

Which brings us back to where we started. I don't feel bad about not having telemarketers around. To me it's like paying someone to come and shit on my lawn -- during the dinner hour.

Marie

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sandra wrote:

> These independent contractors are selfmade buggy bounty hunters. They
> repossess carts they find on the street....place them in their trucks
> (economy of scale at play here) and they return them for a finder's fee from
> local stores. Maybe they don't have that kind of volume in a small town like
> yours.

No.  I guess it's possible that somebody has at some point stolen a
grocery buggy in Starkville, but that was not what I had in mind in this
discussion (and I've never seen anybody pushing one outside of stores or
their parking lots).  I was talking about ones abandoned in various
parts of the parking lots -- like near where the person had parked.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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sandra wrote:

> It used to be, in trying to warn off people who take buggies off the
> premises, you placed a 25 cent deposit at the place where you got the cart.
> Then, when you returned it, you got your quarter back. People would mill

That's quite common in at least some parts of Europe.  It hadn't
occurred to me to think it was to prevent their being stolen.  I just
thought it was to make sure people didn't leave them sitting around
anyolewhere in the parking lots.

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I understand that a lot of very satisfying and low-grade
sarcasm can be leveled against "creating jobs", like at any
other activity you can label as soft-headed and feel-good.
Sneering at feel-good is the most feel-good practice of all.
Apart from having contempt for it, I personally spend more on
something if it would go towards supporting an "unnecessary"
job. This is because I think of myself as a conduit of money,
and I will redistribute the money that's flowing through me
as I damn well please.

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 This is because I think of myself as a conduit
> of money,
> and I will redistribute the money that's flowing
> through me
> as I damn well please.

Hey, if you want to hire buggy wranglers, so be it.
Is a conduit of money anything like a captain of
industry.  If so, glad to know you.


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02003-07-16 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> Physics in Anglo-Saxonhttp://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ander-Saxon

This suffers from the same shortcoming as naming applications
with Hawaiian words ... in the context it sounds childish.

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02003-07-17 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> Hey, if you want to hire buggy wranglers, so be it.

I have a group of 10 in my pay.

> Is a conduit of money anything like a captain of
> industry.

No, it's the exact opposite.

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Marie:
> Which brings us back to where we started.

No, not really, because we're talking
about two separate things.

With the no-call list, there won't be
telemarketers because there won't be
telemarketing any more.  The fact that
most of us don't care if these jobs
disappear is not the point.

This has nothing to do with the bizarre
idea that leaving a shopping cart in the
middle of a parking lot gives a job to
someone who otherwise wouldn't have one.

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I got my first letter from a check-collection agency about a
check written on my account by the thieves.  Fortunately,
the bank gave me a letter to send to collection agencies.
The check was written to Pizza Hut; it's been over 10 years
since I've been to a Pizza Hut.  I prefer Mazzio's.

Evelyn Duncan
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My reality check bounced.

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> No, it's the exact opposite.

Gee, shucks.  Have you the kind of conduit that allows
the flow of money in one direction only?

I'm getting paranoid. "The exact opposite" feels like
a trap you have set, and you are waiting with grinning
teeth for someone (anyone) to fall in.

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EvaD:
> check written on my account by the thieves.  Fortunately,

> My reality check bounced.

Just some selective deletions, nothing
more to see here, move along.

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In a message dated 7/17/2003 5:04:44 PM Central Daylight Time,
rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU writes:
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EvaD:

>>

Who's that?  The name is Evelyn, no shortcuts.

Evelyn Duncan
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My reality check bounced.

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Evelyn:
>> EvaD:
> Who's that?  The name is Evelyn, no shortcuts.

Sorry, I was working on a hiphop name for you.

No worries, then; Evelyn it is for here and
forevermore.

Which reminds me...  I recall having the
HARDEST time convincing some people that
Evelyn Waugh was a guy.

Do you say the first syllable like Eve,
or like Ev?

--
Ricky

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In a message dated 7/17/2003 5:37:04 PM Central Daylight Time,
rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU writes:
<<
Do you say the first syllable like Eve,
or like Ev?

>>

Ev, as in the Land of Ev (to be found in the book the Land of Oz,
in which Tip finds out his true heritage.)

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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Evelyn:
> Ev, as in the Land of Ev

..and you thought we were done with this.

Are you an "ev-a-lyn" or an "ev-lyn"?

> (to be found in the book the Land of Oz,

I've read only the first one (and it was
after seeing the movie, so I'm <colored>),
but it felt like the parts in KS were,
well, written in black and white, while
the Oz part was written in widescreen
technicolor.

--
No, not the Oz on the corner of St. Ann

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> > Cite, please. (No anecdotes
>
> Maybe you can provide a cite to the contrary?
>
> Marie

I guess this is an anecdote, but when I was a bagger in 1988 before becoming
a cashier at Waldbaum's Food Mart, one of my duties was to gather the
carriages in the parking lot.  The head cashier would pick a random bagger
to go out on carriage duty - and it sure sucked on the hot summer days.

My store didn't have any of the hoppers that were designated drop-off
zones - I think that was a later phenomenon.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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At 08:40 AM 7/16/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:
>... for yet another visit to the GMA. Master Carl shall entertain some of
>his grandparents here during this time ...
>
>Yes, I intend to check my bag. I have a direct flight -- less than three
>hours from tarmac to tarmac.
>
>Packing advice *entertained.*

Carry on only.

B

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In a message dated 7/17/2003 6:19:16 PM Central Daylight Time,
rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU writes:
<<
Are you an "ev-a-lyn" or an "ev-lyn"?

>>

Ev-a-lyn

I always thought that the Land of Ev was pretty neat, what with the
lunch-box and dinner-pail trees.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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> Ev, as in the Land of Ev (to be found in the book the Land of Oz,
> in which Tip finds out his true heritage.)

Such a good series - well, the ones actually written by L. Frank, that is.
We had my grandfather's set with the John Neill illustrations  on metallic
ink plates- too bad, because my sisters and cousins pretty much ruined them,
being kids and all. But what fantastic books. Did you ever read The Sea
Fairies, Evelyn?

--Adam
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At 04:52 PM 7/17/2003 -0500, boy wrote:

>This has nothing to do with the bizarre
>idea that leaving a shopping cart in the
>middle of a parking lot gives a job to
>someone who otherwise wouldn't have one.

I never leave it in the middle. Sheesh!

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At 07:20 AM 7/16/2003 -0700, John Williams wrote:
>Amy Burns Short wrote:
>
> > Yes, I intend to check my bag. I have a direct flight -- less than three
> > hours from tarmac to tarmac.
>
>     Braggert[ette].
>
> > Packing advice *entertained.*
>
>     Light and loose.  8-)

You animal!

Betty

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B&C:  Does your house color have a <name>?  I mean something more
explicit than "green."  Like maybe a brand name with a color name or
number?  I'm not getting into house-painting right away, but it's
something I've been thinking about since it will need doing in the next
couple of years for sure.  I had about decided to stick to its gray but
with red trim around the windows.  I fell in love with your house color,
though, and am staring at my house when leaving/returning from walks
with Spencer, thinking about how your shade of green might be perfect
for it.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Betty, the cart-leaver:
> I never leave it in the middle. Sheesh!

Perfect.  The farther away from the
store you leave it, the more people
they have to hire to fetch it.

I'm getting it now.

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girl wrote:

> Carry on only.

Ugh!  Carry-on sux.

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At 06:40 PM 7/17/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>B&C:  Does your house color have a <name>?  I mean something more
>explicit than "green."  Like maybe a brand name with a color name or
>number?  I'm not getting into house-painting right away, but it's
>something I've been thinking about since it will need doing in the next
>couple of years for sure.  I had about decided to stick to its gray but
>with red trim around the windows.  I fell in love with your house color,
>though, and am staring at my house when leaving/returning from walks
>with Spencer, thinking about how your shade of green might be perfect
>for it.

They have left the island for another island.

<http://www.islandinnmonhegan.com/island.html>http://www.islandinnmonhegan.c
om/island.<http://www.islandinnmonhegan.com/island.html>html

B

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02003-07-17 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > No, it's the exact opposite.
>
> Gee, shucks.  Have you the kind of conduit that allows
> the flow of money in one direction only?

I don't know how directions make sense in this ... You get
money, you spend money, that's all I mean.

> I'm getting paranoid. "The exact opposite" feels like
> a trap you have set, and you are waiting with grinning
> teeth for someone (anyone) to fall in.

It has to be the exact opposite. What "captain of industry"
supports useless jobs? I support a "useless" job because it's
charity without indignity--which seems to me like a un-captain-
like thought.

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boy wrote:
>
> Betty, the cart-leaver:
> > I never leave it in the middle. Sheesh!
>
> Perfect.  The farther away from the
> store you leave it, the more people
> they have to hire to fetch it.
>
> I'm getting it now.

One aim when cart-leaving is stationing it in the place that makes it
likely to get in the way of or roll into the largest number of cars.  If
it rolls into them, you are not only supporting jobs of buggy-gatherers,
you are also helping employees of car body-shops keep their jobs.

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At 06:43 PM 7/17/2003 -0500, boy wrote:
>Betty, the cart-leaver:
> > I never leave it in the middle. Sheesh!
>
>Perfect.  The farther away from the
>store you leave it, the more people
>they have to hire to fetch it.
>
>I'm getting it now.

About time.  I leave it close to my car.

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At 06:46 PM 7/17/2003 -0500, woman wrote:
>One aim when cart-leaving is stationing it in the place that makes it
>likely to get in the way of or roll into the largest number of cars.  If
>it rolls into them, you are not only supporting jobs of buggy-gatherers,
>you are also helping employees of car body-shops keep their jobs.

No. I don't do that. Is this a southern thing?

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In a message dated 7/17/2003 6:32:58 PM Central Daylight Time,
adamh1@COMCAST.NET writes:
<<
Did you ever read The Sea
Fairies, Evelyn?

>>

No, but I read all of Baum's Oz books; I always liked Ozma,
and Glinda was very different in the books than she was in
the movie; she was very strong and wise.

Evelyn Duncan
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My reality check bounced.

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> sandra wrote:
>
> > These independent contractors are selfmade buggy bounty hunters. They
> > repossess carts they find on the street....place them in their trucks
> > (economy of scale at play here) and they return them for a
> finder's fee from
> > local stores. Maybe they don't have that kind of volume in a
> small town like
> > yours.
>
> No.  I guess it's possible that somebody has at some point stolen a
> grocery buggy in Starkville, but that was not what I had in mind in this
> discussion (and I've never seen anybody pushing one outside of stores or
> their parking lots).  I was talking about ones abandoned in various
> parts of the parking lots -- like near where the person had parked.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I don't call it abandoned when it's in the store's parking lot.

Sandra

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On 17 Jul 2003 at 18:44, Tushar Samant wrote:

> What "captain of industry" supports useless jobs?

Surely they must. It's the basis of Bush's economic plan.

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At 05:20 PM 7/17/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
>I don't call it abandoned when it's in the store's parking lot.
>
>Sandra

Me either.  Sandra, have you finished our book yet?

B

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> About time.  I leave it close to my car.

jeez.  Just forget it, alright?

Do whatever you want with your grocery cart.

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Marie:
>Oh that reminds me of the woman in the
>Central Market in Valencia who slapped
>my hand when I fondled the peaches.

good godfrey.

Jeff Smith has subscribed to WORDS-L.

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> Okay -- BAGGER. What kind of job is bagger?

It was the kind of job where the store paid me $3.35 an hour to bag
groceries and basically be a slave to the head cashier.

> I bag my own
> groceries. I can't stand people who stand there and let their
> groceries pile up while they stand staring into space.

Me, neither. Drives me nuts.

> And I'd
> rather the kid spend more time gathering up carts in the lot than
> mangle my peaches.

I seem to get the one-item-per-bag baggers. I don't usually buy anything
mangle-able.

--Adam
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> Jeff Smith has subscribed to WORDS-L.

But does he bid us peace?

I know (knew) his son Jason from college. Nice kid, kind of weird. One of
the only people I knew that was rich enough to live off campus.

--Adam
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> I guess this is an anecdote, but when I was a bagger in 1988

Okay -- BAGGER. What kind of job is bagger? I bag my own groceries. I can't stand people who stand there and let their groceries pile up while they stand staring into space. And I'd rather the kid spend more time gathering up carts in the lot than mangle my peaches.

Oh that reminds me of the woman in the Central Market in Valencia who slapped my hand when I fondled the peaches.

Marie

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Adam:
>> Jeff Smith has subscribed to WORDS-L.
> But does he bid us peace?

He always did up 'til <well, you know
when>, so, sure we can assume he does.

>I know (knew) his son Jason from college.
>Nice kid, kind of weird.

heh.  I could say that about a lot of
peeps that I went to college with.

I blanch thinking about the five-word
descriptions my former classmates are
pasting the internet with...

> One of
> the only people I knew that was rich enough to live off campus.

It's not the PBS cooking shows, it's the
trading cards and shoe contracts and...

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> I seem to get the one-item-per-bag baggers.

My pet peeve: a singe gallon of water double bagged. Tell me, how is that easier to carry than just carrying the thing by the handle?

Marie

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> I don't know how directions make sense in this ...
> You get
> money, you spend money, that's all I mean.

I don't mean east, west, etc.  Of course it makes
sense.  You if have no income "coming in", you have no
outlay to "lay out".

> It has to be the exact opposite. What "captain of
> industry"
> supports useless jobs? I support a "useless" job
> because it's
> charity without indignity--which seems to me like a
> un-captain-
> like thought.

Now, this part makes sense to me, which is a bit
mind-boggling.  There are few forms of torture so
dreadful as indignity.

But what happens if the recipient of your charity with
dignity begins to sense his job IS useless?


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> No. I don't do that. Is this a southern thing?

No.  The southern thing would be to build an oval
track and race them.


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> Surely they must. It's the basis of Bush's economic
plan.

Snide.  Are you sure you're talking about le "mem"
chose?


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> good godfrey.
>
> Jeff Smith has subscribed to WORDS-L.

What ever became of ol' Jeff?


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On 17 Jul 2003 at 18:39, Lynne Weber wrote:

> There are few forms of torture so
> dreadful as indignity.

Not even cattle prods?

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On 17 Jul 2003 at 18:48, Lynne Weber wrote:

> Snide.  Are you sure you're talking about le "mem"
> chose?

Damf I know. I've never been to Europe.

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sandra wrote:

> I don't call it abandoned when it's in the store's parking lot.

Then we are talking about very different things.  I don't know nothin
bout grocery buggies that leave the premises.

--
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:

> Okay -- BAGGER. What kind of job is bagger? I bag my own groceries.

I like people who bag their own, but I never will.  That would feel like
pushing your own elevator button when there's an attendant.

Ha.  Ha.  I haven't seen an elevator attendant in decades, that dates me
pretty well.

OK - that would feel like finding my own way in European cinemas so's you
don't have to tip the however-they-were-called.

Ha.  Ha.  I haven't been in this situation since 1957.

OK - that would feel like saying no to a redcap (do they still call them
that)?  Which I always do, I always wheel my shit around myself.

Ha.  Ha.  I forget what the question was?

Ann

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girl wrote:

> They have left the island for another island.
>
> <http://www.islandinnmonhegan.com/island.html>http://www.islandinnmonhegan.c
> om/island.<http://www.islandinnmonhegan.com/island.html>html

That doesn't help answer my paint-color question.  But thank you for
your reply.

Speaking of islands, I googled for my friends' island after my trip and
found this neat Sargent painting:

http://www.jssgallery.org/Paintings/On_the_Verandah.htm

That house burned down in the '40s.  Ben told me an interesting story
about how they all knew who had done it but that many, many years later
he confessed on his deathbed (the perp -- the teenaged son of a
caretaker during WWII).

And here's one of my friend Ben's grandfather:

http://www.jssgallery.org/Paintings/The_Artist_Sketching.htm

I'm really happy that I finally went to Ironbound on this trip.  Will go
back there sometime and spend a longer time.

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> Me either.  Sandra, have you finished our book yet?

ok, which book?

DON'T SAY THE BOOK FOR YOUR BOOK CLUB please give a title.

Ann

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Marie Ascher wrote:
> Okay -- BAGGER. What kind of job is bagger? I bag my own groceries. I can't stand people who stand there and let their groceries pile up while they stand staring into space.

Wmart makes bagging your own more difficult since they have a neat
system of circling bags that makes each scanned item go automatically to
the rolling bags.  I don't think I'm explaining this very well.  But it
does work well.

Re annoyances, though, my real hate is people who plan to write checks
standing there until the cashier has toted up the bill before even
bothering to open purses or pockets to extract the checkbook, much less
having the check written except for the amount.  Back before I started
using Visa for all groceries, I always had my check totally written
except for amount before even getting up to the cashier.

> Oh that reminds me of the woman in the Central Market in Valencia who slapped
> my hand when I fondled the peaches.

And this reminds me that I sent your hotel info to my uncle in Spain,
thinking he might find it interesting.  This was his reply re
Torremolinos:

||Torremolinos is a mess, and has been for 50 years.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
> One of
> the only people I knew that was rich enough to live off campus.

Students here contend that it's cheaper to live off campus.

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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, zombie pirate monkey wrote:
> Do whatever you want with your grocery cart.

I like to use it as a weapon.

Do you have, in your cute little southren grocery stores, kiddies'
baskets?  We have them here.  They have red flags waving high above them
so's people won't squash them.  But I squash them, I run into them BAM
it's all over, don't play in my consumer spaces.

Ann

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> Marie:
> >Oh that reminds me of the woman in the
> >Central Market in Valencia who slapped
> >my hand when I fondled the peaches.
>
> good godfrey.
>
> Jeff Smith has subscribed to WORDS-L.

I hate tomato fondlers, I HATE THEM.

Marie is a valuable member of this Service but if she did anything but
weigh gently, in one hand, a tomato I was looking at, I would HATE HER.

ANN

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> Not even cattle prods?

Not even laser cattle prods with poisoned thorns that
destroy only humans and not infrastructure.


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> Damf I know. I've never been to Europe.

Join the silent minority.


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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> But what happens if the recipient of your charity with
> dignity begins to sense his job IS useless?

RIGHT, Lynne.

Maybe T-bone didn't mean 'useless job'; maybe he meant 'job needed if
every jackass would relax and let somebody else do it'

Ann

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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

> > good godfrey.
> >
> > Jeff Smith has subscribed to WORDS-L.
>
> What ever became of ol' Jeff?

I detect drunken posting.

(takes one to know one)

Ann

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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Cart-Returner wrote:

>> I don't call it abandoned when it's in the store's parking lot.
>
>Then we are talking about very different things.  I don't know nothin
>bout grocery buggies that leave the premises.

Well, I do. But I still think that buggies have been abandoned if they
are not reurned to the store or to one of the safe places for them.

When I was a graduate student, we all moved by borrowing buggies from
Piggly-Wiggly (we returned them later). And there are several
neighborhoods in Knoxville wherein one may see buggies being used to
transport various kinds of good - mostly, I suspect, by folks who cannot
afford to own cars.

Bethany

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girl wrote:
> >One aim when cart-leaving is stationing it in the place that makes it
> >likely to get in the way of or roll into the largest number of cars.  If
> >it rolls into them, you are not only supporting jobs of buggy-gatherers,
> >you are also helping employees of car body-shops keep their jobs.
>
> No. I don't do that. Is this a southern thing?

I don't think so.  I think it's a thing of people who don't return
grocery buggies to the appropriate places, wherever they may live.

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  http://tinyurl.com/hakn

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--- Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> wrote:
>   http://tinyurl.com/hakn

I entered, but I wasn't good enough.

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> I detect drunken posting.
>
> (takes one to know one)
>
> Ann

Wrong!  I've been sober for 1 year, 1 month, and 24
days.  So far, I hate it.  And I really don't know
what happened to ol' Jeff.


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> Do you have, in your cute little southren grocery
> stores, kiddies'
> baskets?  We have them here.  They have red flags
> waving high above them
> so's people won't squash them.  But I squash them, I
> run into them BAM
> it's all over, don't play in my consumer spaces.
>
> Ann

Can you describe a kiddie basket in a little more
detail?  Because I don't think we DO have them - at
least not here in the metropolis.


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> At 05:20 PM 7/17/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
> >I don't call it abandoned when it's in the store's parking lot.
> >
> >Sandra
>
> Me either.  Sandra, have you finished our book yet?
>
> B

 I did...and already brought it over to Erin, so she can get started.

I give it an 8. What about you?

Sandra

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> > Me either.  Sandra, have you finished our book yet?
>
> ok, which book?
>
> DON'T SAY THE BOOK FOR YOUR BOOK CLUB please give a title.
>
> Ann

MIDDLESEX by Jeffrey Eugenides. Suggested by a new member and I had heard a
little bit about it previously...and was inclined to read it anyway. I'm
glad I read it.

Sandra

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> And this reminds me that I sent your hotel info to my uncle in Spain,
> thinking he might find it interesting.  This was his reply re
> Torremolinos:
>
> ||Torremolinos is a mess, and has been for 50 years.I'm glad we went there because it was so different from every other place we went -- Spain's equivalent of the Jersey shore (which is where I'll be spending August 2-8). But I wouldn't recommend it unless you are into honky tonk kitsch. Or you, like us, needed a cheap place to stay in order to take the ferry to Ceuta (en route to Morocco).

Upon arrival in Torremolinos, my sister and I decided to head straight for the beach. Well, as it turns out there absolutely is no "straight to the beach" in Torremolinos. One must essentially walk through a maze of stores to get from the Hotel Picasso to the water. Lladro everywhere!! But not a drugstore in sight. What's a girl gotta do for a comb!

The beach was fine, the water surprisingly cold. Being Tomlinsons, we submerged ourselves and then plopped on the sand hoping to get a little sun. Some of *our boys* strolled by, subtly thrilled by what was probably their first ever top-optional beach.

The real problem with the place, for us, me anyway, was the hotel. The location was at first glance ideal. Right in the middle of everything. But no AC. In the south of Spain! So we needed to keep the windows and the HEAVY brown drapes open. But there was a glaring light outside and the noise was relentless. I just realized the other day exactly what it reminded me of. The only other place I ever remember hearing that kind of din was near Bourbon Street in the French Quarter. Relentless. All night. How-will-I-ever-sleep-wake-up-call's-in-two-hours hell. (But at least in New Orleans, I didn't stay on BS).

Oh, and then there was the staff. Downright abusive. They hated us. Granted, this was travelling ugly American style. At dinner many of our kids put too much on their plates and then wasted and the staff HATED that. And made it clear that they disliked all of us. Americans. It's possible it wasn't the couscous but them who poisoned us. Nah, it was the couscous.

Anyway, I had a good time whiling away two evenings into night at a little outdoor bar there, since I couldn't sleep anyway. Some good Sangria. Etc. It wasn't all bad.

But not quite quaint. Interesting in its own way, though.

We did dance there. With some drunk Brits.

Marie

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> Sure.
>
> They're kiddie-sized baskets:  tiny carts. But the
> store equips them with
> a high-flying red flag, so people can see them.
>
> They're pretty good replicas in miniature - not
> plastic, but made of the
> same stuff with the same design.
>
> Ann

I haven't seen anything like that around here, but
Natalie, Bethany and K*R*N would be likely sources for
this info.  I'm afraid I'd be much like you and try to
smash them.  Kids are far from being from favorite
animals.


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> Re annoyances, though, my real hate is people who plan to write checks
> standing there until the cashier has toted up the bill before even
> bothering to open purses or pockets to extract the checkbook, much less
> having the check written except for the amount.  Back before I started
> using Visa for all groceries, I always had my check totally written
> except for amount before even getting up to the cashier.
>
  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Yup...even more, I get peeved with people who don't have their deposit slips
ready or check signed before they tie up the ATM line.

Sandra

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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> Can you describe a kiddie basket in a little more
> detail?  Because I don't think we DO have them - at
> least not here in the metropolis.

Sure.

They're kiddie-sized baskets:  tiny carts. But the store equips them with
a high-flying red flag, so people can see them.

They're pretty good replicas in miniature - not plastic, but made of the
same stuff with the same design.

Ann

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> > They're pretty good replicas in miniature - not
> > plastic, but made of the
> > same stuff with the same design.
>
> I haven't seen anything like that around here, but
> Natalie, Bethany and K*R*N would be likely sources for
> this info.  I'm afraid I'd be much like you and try to
> smash them.  Kids are far from being from favorite
> animals.

We've got them here. I think they're kind of cute in a stupid kind of way.

Marie

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> Uh well I stand behind what I wrote, but I should
> warn you that I'm not
> always that -sincere-.
>
> Lots of times I think IT'S SO CUTE that that little
> boy is pushing that
> miniature cart.  Actually, I always think that!
> Just, sometimes, I post
> tough.
>
> Ann

Actually, I'll have to admit that when I see something
both cute and stupid, as Marie says, I wish I were
small enough to fit into it.  Third childhood, I
guess.


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> Marie is a valuable member of this Service but if she did anything but
> weigh gently, in one hand, a tomato I was looking at, I would HATE
> HER.

I am a very gentle produce fondler.

Marie

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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

> I haven't seen anything like that around here, but
> Natalie, Bethany and K*R*N would be likely sources for
> this info.  I'm afraid I'd be much like you and try to
> smash them.  Kids are far from being from favorite
> animals.

Uh well I stand behind what I wrote, but I should warn you that I'm not
always that -sincere-.

Lots of times I think IT'S SO CUTE that that little boy is pushing that
miniature cart.  Actually, I always think that!   Just, sometimes, I post
tough.

Ann

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Lynne ..
> Wrong!  I've been sober for 1 year, 1 month, and 24
> days.  So far, I hate it.  And I really don't know
> what happened to ol' Jeff.


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> http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/twarda/letters.html
>
>               - D. M.

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On Thursday, July 17, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> Wrong!  I've been sober for 1 year, 1 month, and 24
> days.  So far, I hate it.

So why do you do it?

Karen

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On Thursday, July 17, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> They're kiddie-sized baskets:  tiny carts. But the store equips them with
> a high-flying red flag, so people can see them.

> They're pretty good replicas in miniature - not plastic, but made of the
> same stuff with the same design.

They have them here.

Karen

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> --- Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> wrote:
> >   http://tinyurl.com/hakn
>
> I entered, but I wasn't good enough.
>

I always mean to enter but never have.
Maybe next year.

                - D. M.

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> So why do you do it?
>
> Karen

To conform with everyone's idea of what I should do.
Besides, truth be told, I feel a lot better now.


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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

> > So why do you do it?
>
> To conform with everyone's idea of what I should do.

I like you, Lynne Weber!

Ann

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On Thursday, July 17, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>> > So why do you do it?
>>
>> To conform with everyone's idea of what I should do.

> I like you, Lynne Weber!

<snort!>

Karen

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I waved at your alma mater today.

Though not your dura mater.

Karen

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> Good.
>
> Karen

Thank you.


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On Thursday, July 17, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> Good.
>>
>> Karen

> Thank you.

You're welcome.

Karen

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On Thursday, July 17, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> So why do you do it?
>>
>> Karen

> To conform with everyone's idea of what I should do.

Oh, yes, that's so important to Wordslers.

> Besides, truth be told, I feel a lot better now.

Good.

Karen

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02003-07-17 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > But what happens if the recipient of your charity with
> > dignity begins to sense his job IS useless?
>
> RIGHT, Lynne.
>
> Maybe T-bone didn't mean 'useless job'; maybe he meant 'job needed if
> every jackass would relax and let somebody else do it'

Hm, that's a rather perceptive remark, Dr Borkin!

I did mean "useless" in quotation marks, of course. If I didn't
I'd be the kind of jackass who believes HIS job is useful ...
man, I have more persuasive fictions to keep my self-esteem up,
give me some credit ...

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At 07:20 PM 7/17/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > Me either.  Sandra, have you finished our book yet?
>
>ok, which book?
>
>DON'T SAY THE BOOK FOR YOUR BOOK CLUB please give a title.

Middlesex

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At 07:55 PM 7/17/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
> > At 05:20 PM 7/17/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
> > >I don't call it abandoned when it's in the store's parking lot.
> > >
> > >Sandra
> >
> > Me either.  Sandra, have you finished our book yet?
> >
> > B
>
>  I did...and already brought it over to Erin, so she can get started.
>
>I give it an 8. What about you?

8 sounds good.

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Ads for this show were plastered a couple or three years ago *all
over trixietown*, and first of all let me say, OMG what a show. It's
SO awesome! It's better than Mama Mia the musical based on the songs
of Abba! O.M.G.!

But I have an unbelievable story to tell, in fact I don't believe it
completely myself. Today is the first time I saw this show when sober
and in an attention-paying mood, and damned if I haven't seen that
guy before! Not Will but the other guy. Here is where I think I saw
him: 1992, or at the latest '93--I was in New York, in Times Square
to be precise, eating cheapass pizza by the slice with a couple
of my friends in a dingy joint. (Earlier we had seen a concert in
Central Park with an Asian-looking conductor, I mean a famous guy,
conducting I think some Brahms but also a Hungarian-dance type of
piece by Saint-Saens, I am just saying this to emphasize that this
is a TRUE story and I remember it.) Anyway, we are eating pizza
when the future actor in Will and Grace busts in with three other
guys, and he was talking in a vaguely annoying upbeat way. I totally
remember this. Another of those guys messed up his order, and this
guy said "wake up you drug addict!" in a manner familiar to anyone
who has seen this show. Later a large black guy walked in and asked
us if any of us wanted a free ticket to something, I forget what,
he had two and could spare one out of the goodness of his heart, but
since it was an obvious scam I said no. Then he goes to the "Will
and Grace" table and says the same thing, and the Will and Grace
guy says no, but that it was "a great way to get a date, though!"
in a sing-song manner. This is when I thought, this stupid NYU
asswipe is really playing with fire...but the big guy walked out.

Anyway, even if that guy is not THIS guy, he was an exact replica,
and this is a true story.

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Tonight Massimo and I are going out for a pizza with Stephanie and Patrick.
I know nothing about them, a part from the fact they're vegetarians.
Can you tell me...anything about them?
Thanx
Lucia

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When I go to the grocery store for just a few items, which is nearly
daily, I carry a basket that is similar in size to the ones most stores
provide.  When I get to the checkout, I either return my purchases to my
own basket or ask the bagger to do so.  I hate accumulating dozens of
plastic bags that are not recyclable anywhere near here that I know about.

Rita L.  - hoping that this discussion does not turn into a debate about
recycling :-)

Adam Hartfield wrote:

>>Okay -- BAGGER. What kind of job is bagger?
>>
>>
>
>It was the kind of job where the store paid me $3.35 an hour to bag
>groceries and basically be a slave to the head cashier.
>
>
>
>>I bag my own
>>groceries. I can't stand people who stand there and let their
>>groceries pile up while they stand staring into space.
>>
>>
>
>Me, neither. Drives me nuts.
>
>
>
>>And I'd
>>rather the kid spend more time gathering up carts in the lot than
>>mangle my peaches.
>>
>>
>
>I seem to get the one-item-per-bag baggers. I don't usually buy anything
>mangle-able.
>
>--Adam
>adamh1@comcast.net
>
>

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> I hate tomato fondlers, I HATE THEM.
>
> Marie is a valuable member of this Service but if she did anything but
> weigh gently, in one hand, a tomato I was looking at, I would HATE HER.

What about tomato sniffers?  It has never occurred to me to fondle
tomatoes -- they all seem to feel about the same.  But sniffing them can
be revealing.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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sandra wrote:

> Yup...even more, I get peeved with people who don't have their deposit slips
> ready or check signed before they tie up the ATM line.

I don't know how to do things like that at an ATM.  I didn't know that
ATMs did things like read checks.  All I use them for is sticking my ATM
card into the slot, giving it my PIN, telling it how much money I want,
and grabbing the cash it spits out.

My bank has recently started an annual charge for having an ATM card.
Tacky, imho, though I'll live with it since I do find ATMs convenient.
It was nice, e.g., upon arrival in Quebec to stroll across the street to
an ATM and suddenly have Canadian money.

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> > They're kiddie-sized baskets:  tiny carts. But the
....
> I haven't seen anything like that around here, but
> Natalie, Bethany and K*R*N would be likely sources for
> this info.

Afaik, they don't exist in Starkville.  Nor have I seen them in my (very
limited except in Huntsville) visits to out-of-town grocery stores.

Have I mentioned how good Zilactin is for zapping fever blisters?  I'm
reminded of that because I bought some more of it in the Ellsworth
Walmart when buying more Tracfone time.  I was afraid that the old
Zilactin I had packed was running low.  Anyway, the fever blister that I
felt springing up at Acadiafest was never a horror, thanks to
application of Zilactin.

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Rita Leonard wrote:
>  I hate accumulating dozens of
> plastic bags that are not recyclable anywhere near here that I know about.

You should shop at Walmart, where plastic bags are recyclable!  I keep a
few, though, to use for purposes like packing Spencer's little goodies
to take to Furrbabies.  I load up a furry toy or two, some rawhide chews
(which I'm not sure he's given while there -- I should inquire -- some
dog people are against them), and I staple a note on the bag with phone
number(s) and a reminder of what time/date I'll be picking him up.  The
rest of his info is in their permanent records.

I need to call Furrbabies today, now that I think about it.  He already
has reservations for when I'm going to SC and NC in early August, but
I've decided to spend a couple of nights on the trip I'm taking to south
Mississippi next weekend to a family reunion with some 8th or 9th or so
cousins I've recently discovered.

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Lux wrote:

> Can you tell me...anything about them?

I've never met Patrick, but I can tell you that Steph is pleasant,
interesting  company, easy to talk to, generally <good folk>.  I
thoroughly enjoyed my lunch with Steph and Roy at the Amsterdam airport
one gray December day.

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Well, I probably would but the nearest super Walmart where I could
grocery shop is about 40 miles away.  I think I'll just keep taking my
little basket with me to the grocery store that is less than one mile away.

Rita L.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

>
>You should shop at Walmart, where plastic bags are recyclable!
>

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Have any of you seen  "car" grocery carts?  It is a standard size cart
with the addition of a plastic "car" on the front that one or two
children can sit in to be driven around while Mom/Dad shop.  Fine idea
for them but it just about doubles the space occupied by the family and
is quite conducive to aisle blocking which I truly HATE.  I like to whip
through the store, pick up what I need and get out.  When I am
confronted with obstructions requiring detours, I get really peeved.

Rita L.

Marie Ascher wrote:

>>>They're pretty good replicas in miniature - not
>>>plastic, but made of the
>>>same stuff with the same design.
>>>
>>>
>>I haven't seen anything like that around here, but
>>Natalie, Bethany and K*R*N would be likely sources for
>>this info.  I'm afraid I'd be much like you and try to
>>smash them.  Kids are far from being from favorite
>>animals.
>>
>>
>
>We've got them here. I think they're kind of cute in a stupid kind of way.
>
>Marie
>
>

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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>Wrong!  I've been sober for 1 year, 1 month, and 24
>days.  So far, I hate it.  And I really don't know
>what happened to ol' Jeff.

That doesn't sound like sober to me - it sounds like <dry>.

Bethany

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On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Rita Leonard wrote:

>own basket or ask the bagger to do so.  I hate accumulating dozens of
>plastic bags that are not recyclable anywhere near here that I know about.

I have many uses for the plastic bags - when I have too many on hand, I
drop the excess ones off at our food coop.

Bethany

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But where are they from?
How old are they...and..btw...what's their surname?
Thanx
L.

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This is a wonderful story which I feel compelled to share with ALL of my gay friends immediately.
 
BrP
 
 


>>> scribble@POBOX.COM 07/18/03 01:40AM >>>
Ads for this show were plastered a couple or three years ago *all
over trixietown*, and first of all let me say, OMG what a show. It's
SO awesome! It's better than Mama Mia the musical based on the songs
of Abba! O.M.G.!

But I have an unbelievable story to tell, in fact I don't believe it
completely myself. Today is the first time I saw this show when sober
and in an attention-paying mood, and damned if I haven't seen that
guy before! Not Will but the other guy. Here is where I think I saw
him: 1992, or at the latest '93--I was in New York, in Times Square
to be precise, eating cheapass pizza by the slice with a couple
of my friends in a dingy joint. (Earlier we had seen a concert in
Central Park with an Asian-looking conductor, I mean a famous guy,
conducting I think some Brahms but also a Hungarian-dance type of
piece by Saint-Saens, I am just saying this to emphasize that this
is a TRUE story and I remember it.) Anyway, we are eating pizza
when the future actor in Will and Grace busts in with three other
guys, and he was talking in a vaguely annoying upbeat way. I totally
remember this. Another of those guys messed up his order, and this
guy said "wake up you drug addict!" in a manner familiar to anyone
who has seen this show. Later a large black guy walked in and asked
us if any of us wanted a free ticket to something, I forget what,
he had two and could spare one out of the goodness of his heart, but
since it was an obvious scam I said no. Then he goes to the "Will
and Grace" table and says the same thing, and the Will and Grace
guy says no, but that it was "a great way to get a date, though!"
in a sing-song manner. This is when I thought, this stupid NYU
asswipe is really playing with fire...but the big guy walked out.

Anyway, even if that guy is not THIS guy, he was an exact replica,
and this is a true story.

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Rita Leonard wrote:
>
> Well, I probably would but the nearest super Walmart where I could
> grocery shop is about 40 miles away.  I think I'll just keep taking my
> little basket with me to the grocery store that is less than one mile away.

Be of hopeful heart -- we used to not have a SuperWmart either.  More
and more of them are being born everyday.  Well, maybe not every single
day -- but often.

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Lux wrote:
>
> But where are they from?
> How old are they...and..btw...what's their surname?

Ok -- other Wordslers please help me out here.  I may give erroneous
info.  Surname:  I think they have different ones.  I don't think
they're married.  Steph's last name is Mandell.  I'm not sure what
Patrick's is.  Age:  I'm guessing late 30s.  Where from:  When Steph
joined Words-L, they were living in California, recently out of college,
I think.  (You may know that "college" in American English means
"university" in many contexts -- like this one.  I realize that college
means different things in different parts of the world.)  I've forgotten
which school -- one of the Cal State branches, I think -- Fresno?  I'm
thinking that that's where Steph and Patrick might have met each other
-- in school.  But I'm not sure.  Steph is originally from the Chicago
area, right?  Or have I got that totally screwed up?

What else?  Come on, Wordslers -- this is a fun game to play.  Tell all
that you can think of about Steph and Patrick.

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My age case was pretty good:

Steph Mandell..................................January 19, 1964

(from the birthday list in the ftp archives)

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> When Steph
> joined Words-L, they were living in California,

I meant to add that they moved to Amsterdam not long after that -- that
they've been living in Amsterdam for a good many years now -- ten or
more?

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sandra wrote:

> > What about tomato sniffers?  It has never occurred to me to fondle
> > tomatoes -- they all seem to feel about the same.  But sniffing them can
> > be revealing.

> Don't you wash your fruit after you get it home? Sniffing is a good way to
> tell how good the tomato is. I don't do it, but it doesn't bother me that
> others do.

I'm trying to figure out the relationship between your question about
washing and my comment about sniffing.  Yes, I wash fruit before I eat
it.  But how is that relevant to my sniffing tomatoes in stores?
(Actually, I almost never buy tomatoes at regular grocery stores since
they're never good.  Thus I don't do that much sniffing.  But if I'm in
a city that has a farmers' market, I'll sniff.)

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lynne Weber
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>
>> good godfrey.
>>
>> Jeff Smith has subscribed to WORDS-L.
>
>What ever became of ol' Jeff?
>
>
Jail or something. He did something sexually.

alec

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THE PNEUMATICS OF HERO OF ALEXANDRIA 
FROM THE ORIGINAL GREEK 

TRANSLATED FOR AND EDITED BY 
BENNET WOODCROFT
PROFESSOR OF MACHINERY IN UNIVERSITY
COLLEGE, LONDON 

LONDON
TAYLOR WALTON AND MABERLY
UPPER GOWER STREET AND IVY LANE PATERNOSTER ROW
1851
I find this facinating.  Take a look at #21 Sacrificial Vessel which flows only when Money is introduced  
Full text online at: http://www.history.rochester.edu/steam/hero/ 
 
BrP
 
 

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Thanx Natalie, you're precious, as usual.
I'll tell yoiu everything about our meeting as soon as I get back in front
of my pc, probably on Monday.
We'll go to a pretty good pizzeria we've recently found.
Pizza is quite a good deal, since it can be satisfactory for almost
everyone, a part from who has problems with gluten, but I guess you just
can't become a vegetarian if you're one.
I'm pretty curious about their idea of Torino, since it's not a very
turistic city, even if there're many beautiful places and buildings, since
it's been a capital town for a while.

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> Have any of you seen  "car" grocery carts?  It is a standard size cart
> with the addition of a plastic "car" on the front that one or two
> children can sit in to be driven around while Mom/Dad shop.  Fine idea
> for them but it just about doubles the space occupied by the family and
> is quite conducive to aisle blocking which I truly HATE.  I like to whip
> through the store, pick up what I need and get out.  When I am
> confronted with obstructions requiring detours, I get really peeved.
>
> Rita L.
>
> Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> >>>They're pretty good replicas in miniature - not
> >>>plastic, but made of the
> >>>same stuff with the same design.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>I haven't seen anything like that around here, but
> >>Natalie, Bethany and K*R*N would be likely sources for
> >>this info.  I'm afraid I'd be much like you and try to
> >>smash them.  Kids are far from being from favorite
> >>animals.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >We've got them here. I think they're kind of cute in a stupid
> kind of way.
> >
> >Marie
>
> Rita Leonard
> Information Technology Systems Services
> O'Neill Library 544
> Phone:  617-552-3403
> Email: rita.leonard@bc.edu
>
> "Whether you believe you can do a thing
>  or not, you are right."  Henry Ford

Some of our posher stores's carts come with coffeecup holders. Usually they
also have a miniStarbucks inside. At least one fancy store offers chair
massages (for a tiny fee).

Sandra

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> This is a wonderful story which I feel compelled to share with
> ALL of my gay friends immediately.
>
> BrP

> >>> scribble@POBOX.COM 07/18/03 01:40AM >>>
> Ads for this show were plastered a couple or three years ago *all
> over trixietown*, and first of all let me say, OMG what a show. It's
> SO awesome! It's better than Mama Mia the musical based on the songs
> of Abba! O.M.G.!
>
> But I have an unbelievable story to tell, in fact I don't believe it
> completely myself. Today is the first time I saw this show when sober
> and in an attention-paying mood, and damned if I haven't seen that
> guy before! Not Will but the other guy. Here is where I think I saw
> him: 1992, or at the latest '93--I was in New York, in Times Square
> to be precise, eating cheapass pizza by the slice with a couple
> of my friends in a dingy joint. (Earlier we had seen a concert in
> Central Park with an Asian-looking conductor, I mean a famous guy,
> conducting I think some Brahms but also a Hungarian-dance type of
> piece by Saint-Saens, I am just saying this to emphasize that this
> is a TRUE story and I remember it.) Anyway, we are eating pizza
> when the future actor in Will and Grace busts in with three other
> guys, and he was talking in a vaguely annoying upbeat way. I totally
> remember this. Another of those guys messed up his order, and this
> guy said "wake up you drug addict!" in a manner familiar to anyone
> who has seen this show. Later a large black guy walked in and asked
> us if any of us wanted a free ticket to something, I forget what,
> he had two and could spare one out of the goodness of his heart, but
> since it was an obvious scam I said no. Then he goes to the "Will
> and Grace" table and says the same thing, and the Will and Grace
> guy says no, but that it was "a great way to get a date, though!"
> in a sing-song manner. This is when I thought, this stupid NYU
> asswipe is really playing with fire...but the big guy walked out.
>
> Anyway, even if that guy is not THIS guy, he was an exact replica,
> and this is a true story.
>

T...you'd love living in the Los Angeles area. I forget his name, Sean (sp?)
something...but I hear he's very nice, down to earth and trained as a
concert pianist. I have a friend who looks very, very much like him .... and
he's a sensitive guy but in no way gay.

Sandra

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sandra wrote:

> A charge for an ATM card??? Insanity. Here, we can (depending on your
> account) get charged for using a teller. But, it's to the bank's advantage
> to encourage their customers to use ATMs.

Yes, it does seem strange, especially since I can remember way back when
my bank was trying to promote use of the ATMs by offering surprise
bonuses -- like an occasional user would get an extra $20 as a surprise
gift when the money came out.  (I never <won>.)  Sometime later, though,
my bank started promoting debit cards that were also ATM cards.  I just
said no to that since I didn't want a debit card and since they assured
me that my old ATM card would continue to work.  I'm wondering now if
maybe they've started discriminating against the old solo ATM cards --
solo as in all it is is an ATM card.  But why would they care?  Why
exactly would they want to push debit cards?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 10:18 PM 7/17/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>At 07:55 PM 7/17/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
>> > At 05:20 PM 7/17/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
>> > >I don't call it abandoned when it's in the store's parking lot.
>> > >
>> > >Sandra
>> >
>> > Me either.  Sandra, have you finished our book yet?
>> >
>> > B
>>
>>  I did...and already brought it over to Erin, so she can get started.
>>
>>I give it an 8. What about you?
>
>8 sounds good.

I meant to add that I wish it would have gone on longer into his life now.

B

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Where from:  When Steph
> joined Words-L, they were living in California, recently out of college,
> I think.  (You may know that "college" in American English means
> "university" in many contexts -- like this one.  I realize that college
> means different things in different parts of the world.)  I've forgotten
> which school -- one of the Cal State branches, I think -- Fresno?

Chico. I didn't think they were living there, though; I just thought
that's where their e-mail was.

Karen

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On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> > Marie is a valuable member of this Service but if she did anything but
> > weigh gently, in one hand, a tomato I was looking at, I would HATE HER.
> What about tomato sniffers?  It has never occurred to me to fondle
> tomatoes -- they all seem to feel about the same.  But sniffing them can
> be revealing.

Sniffing is ok by me although it looks kind of, I don't know, DOGLIKE.

Ann

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> Take a look at #21 Sacrificial Vessel which flows only when Money is introduced

This is the kind of thing you find at Musee Mecanique at Cliff House.

Karen

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At 05:55 AM 7/18/2003 -0400, Lux wrote:
>Tonight Massimo and I are going out for a pizza with Stephanie and Patrick.
>I know nothing about them, a part from the fact they're vegetarians.
>Can you tell me...anything about them?
>Thanx
>Lucia

We had a very nice dinner with them when they visited in
California.  Patrick was sitting further away so I didn't get a chance to
talk to him but they are friendly and fun.  Enjoy.

Betty

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> At 10:18 PM 7/17/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> >At 07:55 PM 7/17/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
> >> > At 05:20 PM 7/17/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
> >> > >I don't call it abandoned when it's in the store's parking lot.
> >> > >
> >> > >Sandra
> >> >
> >> > Me either.  Sandra, have you finished our book yet?
> >> >
> >> > B
> >>
> >>  I did...and already brought it over to Erin, so she can get started.
> >>
> >>I give it an 8. What about you?
> >
> >8 sounds good.
>
> I meant to add that I wish it would have gone on longer into his life now.
>
> B

Absolutely....I am going to read up on him and listen to Terri Gross's
interview. I know a writer is encouraged to write of what he knows and this
story mirrors many real things in the author's life. I will forever look at
trannies and intergender folk with a different eye.

Sandra

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, sandra wrote:
>> At 10:18 PM 7/17/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>> >At 07:55 PM 7/17/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
>> >> > At 05:20 PM 7/17/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
>> >> > >I don't call it abandoned when it's in the store's parking lot.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Sandra
>> >> >
>> >> > Me either.  Sandra, have you finished our book yet?
>> >> >
>> >> > B
>> >>
>> >>  I did...and already brought it over to Erin, so she can get started.
>> >>
>> >>I give it an 8. What about you?
>> >
>> >8 sounds good.
>>
>> I meant to add that I wish it would have gone on longer into his life now.
>>
>> B

> Absolutely....I am going to read up on him and listen to Terri Gross's
> interview. I know a writer is encouraged to write of what he knows and this
> story mirrors many real things in the author's life. I will forever look at
> trannies and intergender folk with a different eye.

> Sandra

Are you philosophically opposed to editing, Sandra?

Karen

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Use of debit cards reduces the number of checks that the bank needs to
process and probably significantly reduces cash handling as well.
Although I didn't really know Alyce, I'm thinking that she would
consider this a bad thing...eliminating bank teller jobs, etc.

Rita

Natalie Maynor wrote:

>
> But why would they care?  Why
>exactly would they want to push debit cards?
>
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>

--

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> sandra wrote:
>
> > > What about tomato sniffers?  It has never occurred to me to fondle
> > > tomatoes -- they all seem to feel about the same.  But
> sniffing them can
> > > be revealing.
>
> > Don't you wash your fruit after you get it home? Sniffing is a
> good way to
> > tell how good the tomato is. I don't do it, but it doesn't
> bother me that
> > others do.
>
> I'm trying to figure out the relationship between your question about
> washing and my comment about sniffing.  Yes, I wash fruit before I eat
> it.  But how is that relevant to my sniffing tomatoes in stores?
> (Actually, I almost never buy tomatoes at regular grocery stores since
> they're never good.  Thus I don't do that much sniffing.  But if I'm in
> a city that has a farmers' market, I'll sniff.)
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I thought you were bothered by the sniffing because it meant possibly their
nose touched the produce before they returned the produce to the bin.
Otherwise, why would sniffing bother you?

Sandra

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> On Friday, July 18, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> > Take a look at #21 Sacrificial Vessel which flows only when
> Money is introduced
>
> This is the kind of thing you find at Musee Mecanique at Cliff House.
>
> Karen

I went in one of their photo booths with a friend and have the strip of
three photos placed on my bedroom mirror.

Sandra

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> On Friday, July 18, 2003, sandra wrote:
> >> At 10:18 PM 7/17/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> >> >At 07:55 PM 7/17/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
> >> >> > At 05:20 PM 7/17/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
> >> >> > >I don't call it abandoned when it's in the store's parking lot.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >Sandra
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Me either.  Sandra, have you finished our book yet?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > B
> >> >>
> >> >>  I did...and already brought it over to Erin, so she can
> get started.
> >> >>
> >> >>I give it an 8. What about you?
> >> >
> >> >8 sounds good.
> >>
> >> I meant to add that I wish it would have gone on longer into
> his life now.
> >>
> >> B
>
> > Absolutely....I am going to read up on him and listen to Terri Gross's
> > interview. I know a writer is encouraged to write of what he
> knows and this
> > story mirrors many real things in the author's life. I will
> forever look at
> > trannies and intergender folk with a different eye.
>
> > Sandra
>
> Are you philosophically opposed to editing, Sandra?
>
> Karen

You are weird.

Sandra

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, sandra wrote:
>> On Friday, July 18, 2003, sandra wrote:
>> >> At 10:18 PM 7/17/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>> >> >At 07:55 PM 7/17/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
>> >> >> > At 05:20 PM 7/17/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
>> >> >> > >I don't call it abandoned when it's in the store's parking lot.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >Sandra
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Me either.  Sandra, have you finished our book yet?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > B
>> >> >>
>> >> >>  I did...and already brought it over to Erin, so she can
>> get started.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I give it an 8. What about you?
>> >> >
>> >> >8 sounds good.
>> >>
>> >> I meant to add that I wish it would have gone on longer into
>> his life now.
>> >>
>> >> B
>>
>> > Absolutely....I am going to read up on him and listen to Terri Gross's
>> > interview. I know a writer is encouraged to write of what he
>> knows and this
>> > story mirrors many real things in the author's life. I will
>> forever look at
>> > trannies and intergender folk with a different eye.
>>
>> > Sandra
>>
>> Are you philosophically opposed to editing, Sandra?
>>
>> Karen

> You are weird.

Thank you!

But you are avoiding answering the question. I just wondered at your
confidence that people will be interested enough in what you have to
say that they will be willing to scroll several screens to read it,
because that seemed unlike you.

Karen

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> On Friday, July 18, 2003, sandra wrote:
> >> On Friday, July 18, 2003, sandra wrote:
> >> >> At 10:18 PM 7/17/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> >> >> >At 07:55 PM 7/17/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
> >> >> >> > At 05:20 PM 7/17/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
> >> >> >> > >I don't call it abandoned when it's in the store's
> parking lot.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >Sandra
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Me either.  Sandra, have you finished our book yet?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > B
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>  I did...and already brought it over to Erin, so she can
> >> get started.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>I give it an 8. What about you?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >8 sounds good.
> >> >>
> >> >> I meant to add that I wish it would have gone on longer into
> >> his life now.
> >> >>
> >> >> B
> >>
> >> > Absolutely....I am going to read up on him and listen to
> Terri Gross's
> >> > interview. I know a writer is encouraged to write of what he
> >> knows and this
> >> > story mirrors many real things in the author's life. I will
> >> forever look at
> >> > trannies and intergender folk with a different eye.
> >>
> >> > Sandra
> >>
> >> Are you philosophically opposed to editing, Sandra?
> >>
> >> Karen
>
> > You are weird.
>
> Thank you!
>
> But you are avoiding answering the question. I just wondered at your
> confidence that people will be interested enough in what you have to
> say that they will be willing to scroll several screens to read it,
> because that seemed unlike you.
>
> Karen

It didn't occur to me to treat your question seriously.

Sandra

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Lynne:
> What ever became of ol' Jeff?

Last time we spoke he told me that
I am "not a nice man".

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, sandra wrote:
> It didn't occur to me to treat your question seriously.

Clearly. And that's definitely an option, though a pretty rude one,
IMO.

Karen

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, zombie pirate monkey wrote:
> Lynne:
>> What ever became of ol' Jeff?

> Last time we spoke he told me that
> I am "not a nice man".

And? I mean, you knew this already, right?

Karen

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Marie Ascher
>Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 8:56 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Natalie - The Little Dooey?
>
>
>> I guess this is an anecdote, but when I was a bagger in 1988
>
>Okay -- BAGGER. What kind of job is bagger? I bag my own
>groceries. I can't stand people who stand there and let their
>groceries pile up while they stand staring into space. And I'd
>rather the kid spend more time gathering up carts in the lot
>than mangle my peaches.
>
>Oh that reminds me of the woman in the Central Market in
>Valencia who slapped my hand when I fondled the peaches.
>
>Marie
>

I never knew you were a fondler.


alec

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>
> sandra wrote:
>
> > Yup...even more, I get peeved with people who don't have their
> deposit slips
> > ready or check signed before they tie up the ATM line.
>
> I don't know how to do things like that at an ATM.  I didn't know that
> ATMs did things like read checks.  All I use them for is sticking my ATM
> card into the slot, giving it my PIN, telling it how much money I want,
> and grabbing the cash it spits out.
>
> My bank has recently started an annual charge for having an ATM card.
> Tacky, imho, though I'll live with it since I do find ATMs convenient.
> It was nice, e.g., upon arrival in Quebec to stroll across the street to
> an ATM and suddenly have Canadian money.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

A charge for an ATM card??? Insanity. Here, we can (depending on your
account) get charged for using a teller. But, it's to the bank's advantage
to encourage their customers to use ATMs.

Sandra

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> Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> > I hate tomato fondlers, I HATE THEM.
> >
> > Marie is a valuable member of this Service but if she did anything but
> > weigh gently, in one hand, a tomato I was looking at, I would HATE HER.
>
> What about tomato sniffers?  It has never occurred to me to fondle
> tomatoes -- they all seem to feel about the same.  But sniffing them can
> be revealing.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Don't you wash your fruit after you get it home? Sniffing is a good way to
tell how good the tomato is. I don't do it, but it doesn't bother me that
others do.

Sandra

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--- Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
> Ads for this show were plastered a couple or three
> years ago *all
> over trixietown*, and first of all let me say, OMG
> what a show. It's
> SO awesome! It's better than Mama Mia the musical
> based on the songs
> of Abba! O.M.G.!
>
> But I have an unbelievable story to tell, in fact I
> don't believe it
> completely myself. Today is the first time I saw
> this show when sober
> and in an attention-paying mood, and damned if I
> haven't seen that
> guy before! Not Will but the other guy. Here is
> where I think I saw
> him: 1992, or at the latest '93--I was in New York,
> in Times Square
> to be precise, eating cheapass pizza by the slice
> with a couple
> of my friends in a dingy joint. (Earlier we had seen
> a concert in
> Central Park with an Asian-looking conductor, I mean
> a famous guy,
> conducting I think some Brahms but also a
> Hungarian-dance type of
> piece by Saint-Saens, I am just saying this to
> emphasize that this
> is a TRUE story and I remember it.) Anyway, we are
> eating pizza
> when the future actor in Will and Grace busts in
> with three other
> guys, and he was talking in a vaguely annoying
> upbeat way. I totally
> remember this. Another of those guys messed up his
> order, and this
> guy said "wake up you drug addict!" in a manner
> familiar to anyone
> who has seen this show. Later a large black guy
> walked in and asked
> us if any of us wanted a free ticket to something, I
> forget what,
> he had two and could spare one out of the goodness
> of his heart, but
> since it was an obvious scam I said no. Then he goes
> to the "Will
> and Grace" table and says the same thing, and the
> Will and Grace
> guy says no, but that it was "a great way to get a
> date, though!"
> in a sing-song manner. This is when I thought, this
> stupid NYU
> asswipe is really playing with fire...but the big
> guy walked out.
>
> Anyway, even if that guy is not THIS guy, he was an
> exact replica,
> and this is a true story.

Wow.  I have left the manuscript in its entirety for
posterity.  "Will & Grace" really tweaks your funny
bone, eh?

Do you recall what the other three guys in THAT guy's
company looked like?  Are there any further tidbits
that would interest Wordslers?

If THIS guy is THAT guy, he is a talented son of a
biscuit eater.


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From: Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Natalie - The Little Dooey?
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> Sniffing is ok by me although it looks kind of, I
> don't know, DOGLIKE.
>
> Ann

If I sniff, it's only cantaloupe; but even that I do
surreptitiously - and sometimes superstitiously.


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At 10:25 AM 7/18/2003 -0500, zombie pirate monkey wrote:
>Lynne:
> > What ever became of ol' Jeff?
>
>Last time we spoke he told me that
>I am "not a nice man".

Was he right?

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: English Language Discussion Group
>>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lux
>>Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 8:32 AM
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: Re: Info needed
>>
>>
>>But where are they from?
>>How old are they...and..btw...what's their surname?
>>Thanx
>>L.
>>

> old and Mandell and ?

OLD?!

Karen,
ancient

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Lux writes,

>Pizza is quite a good deal, since it can be satisfactory for almost
>everyone, a part from who has problems with gluten, but I guess you just
>can't become a vegetarian if you're one.

Since pizza always comes with cheese here, *real* vegetarians and vegans
won't eat it (except perhaps for the kind with soy cheese).

And there's a good selection of wheat-free products at the health food
store, as well as non-wheat staple starches like rice, so the
gluten-sensitive can still be vegetarian.

Pete
sorta-vegetarian, likes pizza :)

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> On Friday, July 18, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > If I sniff, it's only cantaloupe; but even that I do
> > surreptitiously - and sometimes superstitiously.
>
> My Sweet Polenta taught me to judge canteloupe by the heft, and that
> works quite well.
>
> Karen

I judge oranges by their heft.

Sandra

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At 10:32 AM 7/18/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Friday, July 18, 2003, zombie pirate monkey wrote:
> > Lynne:
> >> What ever became of ol' Jeff?
>
> > Last time we spoke he told me that
> > I am "not a nice man".
>
>And? I mean, you knew this already, right?

What?  He is not a nice man?

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
> At 10:32 AM 7/18/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>On Friday, July 18, 2003, zombie pirate monkey wrote:
>> > Lynne:
>> >> What ever became of ol' Jeff?
>>
>> > Last time we spoke he told me that
>> > I am "not a nice man".
>>
>>And? I mean, you knew this already, right?

> What?  He is not a nice man?

Well, I like Richard a lot. I'm a big fan of the Richster,
unowhaimsain? But 'nice', no. Incisive, honest, yes. But 'nice' is too
bland, and he ain't bland.

Karen

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> If I sniff, it's only cantaloupe; but even that I do
> surreptitiously - and sometimes superstitiously.

My Sweet Polenta taught me to judge canteloupe by the heft, and that
works quite well.

Karen

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--- "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU>
wrote
> That doesn't sound like sober to me - it sounds like
> <dry>.
>
> Bethany

Yes, I know.  Sobriety, I find, is a sobering
experience.  I'd rather see life filmed through gauze.
 A very shallow defense mechanism.


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an alternative is to wave a slice of prosciutto over the stack of canteloupes and see which one jumps in anticipation
 
BrP
 


>>> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM 07/18/03 12:07PM >>>
On Friday, July 18, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> If I sniff, it's only cantaloupe; but even that I do
> surreptitiously - and sometimes superstitiously.

My Sweet Polenta taught me to judge canteloupe by the heft, and that
works quite well.

Karen

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> an alternative is to wave a slice of prosciutto over the stack of
> canteloupes and see which one jumps in anticipation

:) I think I'd be jumping too much to notice...

Your prosciutto was much better than my Costco one--mine now tastes so
salty to me that I can barely taste the prosciutto flavor. I want to
buy up that store.

Karen

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lux
>Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 5:55 AM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Info needed
>
>
>Tonight Massimo and I are going out for a pizza with Stephanie
>and Patrick.
>I know nothing about them, a part from the fact they're vegetarians.
>Can you tell me...anything about them?
>Thanx
>Lucia
>

Wonderful people.


alec

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lux
>Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 8:32 AM
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>
>But where are they from?
>How old are they...and..btw...what's their surname?
>Thanx
>L.
>

old and Mandell and ?


alec

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 12:25 PM
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>
>
>On Friday, July 18, 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: English Language Discussion Group
>>>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lux
>>>Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 8:32 AM
>>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>>Subject: Re: Info needed
>>>
>>>
>>>But where are they from?
>>>How old are they...and..btw...what's their surname?
>>>Thanx
>>>L.
>>>
>
>> old and Mandell and ?
>
>OLD?!
>
>Karen,
>ancient
>

I was joking. I believe steph is my age or close and I don't know pat's age.
37 if any one cares and feeling like 48.


alec

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Ann:
>Do you have, in your cute little southren
>grocery stores, kiddies' baskets?

Shit.  It wasn't a week after it opened that
the new Winn-Dixie's shopping carts had all
been stolen.  Kiddie baskets?  Nope.

Maybe the suburbs or Uptown, though.

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Tony Blair said:

We are fighting for the inalienable right of humankind -- black or
white; Christian or not; left, right or merely indifferent -- to be free
-- free to raise a family in love and hope; free to earn a living and be
rewarded by your own efforts; free not to bend your knee to any man in
fear; free to be you, so long as being you does not impair the freedom
of others. That's what we're fighting for, and it's a battle worth
fighting. And I know it's hard on America. And in some small corner of
this vast country, out in Nevada or Idaho or these places I've never
been to but always wanted to go -- (laughter) -- I know out there,
there's a guy getting on with his life, perfectly happily, minding his
own business, saying to you, the political leaders of this country, "Why
me, and why us, and why America?" And the only answer is because destiny
put you in this place in history in this moment in time, and the task is
yours to do. And our job -- my nation, that watched you grow, that you
fought alongside and now fights alongside you, that takes enormous pride
in our alliance and great affection in our common bond -- our job is to
be there with you. You're not going to be alone. We will be with you in
this fight for liberty. We will be with you in this fight for liberty.
And if our spirit is right and our courage firm, the world will be with
us.

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--- John Williams <williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU>
wrote:
> Tony Blair said:
>
> We are fighting for the inalienable right of
> humankind -- black or
> white; Christian or not; left, right or merely
> indifferent -- to be free
> -- free to raise a family in love and hope; free to
> earn a living and be
> rewarded by your own efforts; free not to bend your
> knee to any man in
> fear; free to be you, so long as being you does not
> impair the freedom
> of others. That's what we're fighting for, and it's
> a battle worth
> fighting. And I know it's hard on America. And in
> some small corner of
> this vast country, out in Nevada or Idaho or these
> places I've never
> been to but always wanted to go -- (laughter) -- I
> know out there,
> there's a guy getting on with his life, perfectly
> happily, minding his
> own business, saying to you, the political leaders
> of this country, "Why
> me, and why us, and why America?" And the only
> answer is because destiny
> put you in this place in history in this moment in
> time, and the task is
> yours to do. And our job -- my nation, that watched
> you grow, that you
> fought alongside and now fights alongside you, that
> takes enormous pride
> in our alliance and great affection in our common
> bond -- our job is to
> be there with you. You're not going to be alone. We
> will be with you in
> this fight for liberty. We will be with you in this
> fight for liberty.
> And if our spirit is right and our courage firm, the
> world will be with
> us.

IMO, a jam-up job by one of the few articulate world
leaders on he wide stage.


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> On Friday, July 18, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > If I sniff, it's only cantaloupe; but even that I do
> > surreptitiously - and sometimes superstitiously.
>
> My Sweet Polenta taught me to judge canteloupe by the heft, and that
> works quite well.
>
> Karen

Can you describe how you do this, please?
What is the criteria?  Heavy?  Light?
What?

            - D. M.

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> Tony Blair said:
>
> We are fighting for the inalienable right of humankind -- black or
> white; Christian or not; left, right or merely indifferent -- to be
free
> -- free to raise a family in love and hope; free to earn a living and
be
> rewarded by your own efforts; free not to bend your knee to any man in
> fear; free to be you, so long as being you does not impair the freedom
> of others. That's what we're fighting for, and it's a battle worth
> fighting. And I know it's hard on America. And in some small corner of
> this vast country, out in Nevada or Idaho or these places I've never
> been to but always wanted to go -- (laughter) -- I know out there,
> there's a guy getting on with his life, perfectly happily, minding his
> own business, saying to you, the political leaders of this country,
"Why
> me, and why us, and why America?" And the only answer is because
destiny
> put you in this place in history in this moment in time, and the task
is
> yours to do. And our job -- my nation, that watched you grow, that you
> fought alongside and now fights alongside you, that takes enormous
pride
> in our alliance and great affection in our common bond -- our job is
to
> be there with you. You're not going to be alone. We will be with you
in
> this fight for liberty. We will be with you in this fight for liberty.
> And if our spirit is right and our courage firm, the world will be
with
> us.

He was most eloquent yesterday and his delivery is
superb.  Gave me chills.

            - D. M.

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In general I have found that heavier fruit is sweeter.  Though this is not always true and not the only factor to be considered, all else being equal, I buy the heavier one.
 
BrP
who knows a thing or two about fruits (someone had to say it)


>>> dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM 07/18/03 02:43PM >>>
> On Friday, July 18, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > If I sniff, it's only cantaloupe; but even that I do
> > surreptitiously - and sometimes superstitiously.
>
> My Sweet Polenta taught me to judge canteloupe by the heft, and that
> works quite well.
>
> Karen

Can you describe how you do this, please?
What is the criteria?  Heavy?  Light?
What?

            - D. M.

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>> My Sweet Polenta taught me to judge canteloupe by the heft, and that
>> works quite well.
>>
>> Karen

> Can you describe how you do this, please?
> What is the criteria?  Heavy?  Light?
> What?

Heavy.

He mentioned this when we were chowing down on the best canteloupe I'd
ever eaten, and when I bought a canteloupe here, I was reminded of
this. The first one I picked up was extremely heavy for its size. I
hefted some more to make sure, bought the first one, and sure enough,
it was as good as the one we bought at the f.m.

Karen

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He is very good at presenting himself.  He is a master of the content-free feel-good political speech.
BrP
 
 
 
 


>>> dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM 07/18/03 02:45PM >>>
> Tony Blair said:
>
> We are fighting for the inalienable right of humankind -- black or
> white; Christian or not; left, right or merely indifferent -- to be
free
> -- free to raise a family in love and hope; free to earn a living and
be
> rewarded by your own efforts; free not to bend your knee to any man in
> fear; free to be you, so long as being you does not impair the freedom
> of others. That's what we're fighting for, and it's a battle worth
> fighting. And I know it's hard on America. And in some small corner of
> this vast country, out in Nevada or Idaho or these places I've never
> been to but always wanted to go -- (laughter) -- I know out there,
> there's a guy getting on with his life, perfectly happily, minding his
> own business, saying to you, the political leaders of this country,
"Why
> me, and why us, and why America?" And the only answer is because
destiny
> put you in this place in history in this moment in time, and the task
is
> yours to do. And our job -- my nation, that watched you grow, that you
> fought alongside and now fights alongside you, that takes enormous
pride
> in our alliance and great affection in our common bond -- our job is
to
> be there with you. You're not going to be alone. We will be with you
in
> this fight for liberty. We will be with you in this fight for liberty.
> And if our spirit is right and our courage firm, the world will be
with
> us.

He was most eloquent yesterday and his delivery is
superb.  Gave me chills.

            - D. M.

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> He was most eloquent yesterday and his delivery is
> superb.  Gave me chills.
>
>             - D. M.

Once again, we are in total agreement.


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On 18 Jul 2003 at 14:49, Paul Barfoot wrote:

> He is a master of the content-free feel-good political speech. BrP

Which helps explain his affinity for Bush.

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--- "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET>
wrote:
> On 18 Jul 2003 at 14:49, Paul Barfoot wrote:
>
> > He is a master of the content-free feel-good
> political speech. BrP
>
> Which helps explain his affinity for Bush.

One Wordsler is curious as to what it is judged the
content should have been.  Enlighten, please.


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Politicians drag out the "Inalienable right to be free" to justify every action they take.  While Blair was most eloquent in the delivery, I remain unconvinced, along with the guy in Nevada or Idaho who asked "why", that it was America's destiny to make war on Iraq.  The grand words are not a justification for the damage that has been done to the furute of world diplomacy.  The grand words, beautiful as they are, are thus empty - imho.
 
BrP
 
  
 
 
>>> lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM 07/18/03 03:39PM >>>
--- "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET>
wrote:
> On 18 Jul 2003 at 14:49, Paul Barfoot wrote:
>
> > He is a master of the content-free feel-good
> political speech. BrP
>
> Which helps explain his affinity for Bush.

One Wordsler is curious as to what it is judged the
content should have been.  Enlighten, please.


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On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>Yes, I know.  Sobriety, I find, is a sobering >experience.

Yes, very.

>I'd rather  see life filmed through gauze.> A very shallow defense
mechanism.

I lived like that for a very long time.

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On 18 Jul 2003 at 15:54, Paul Barfoot wrote:

> Politicians drag out the "Inalienable right to be free" to justify every
> action they take.  While Blair was most eloquent in the delivery, I remain
> unconvinced, along with the guy in Nevada or Idaho who asked "why", that
> it was America's destiny to make war on Iraq.  The grand words are not a
> justification for the damage that has been done to the furute of world
> diplomacy.  The grand words, beautiful as they are, are thus empty - imho.

You've answered the question very well, I think. The rhetoric is
full of high-minded principles with which none of us would
disagree, but there they are disconnected from their real-world
implications. Blair would have us think that war with Iraq was
thrust upon the free world much as the war with Germany was thrust
on Britain in the 1930s. It just isn't so. It's a fight we picked
and not because we wanted freedom for the Iraqi people. Indeed, if
you take Blair's rhetoric at face value, you can hardly avoid
wanting to ask to see his list of tyrants we must move against
next.

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Stephanie Mandell and Patrick Wiebe are both from Chicago
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On Friday, Jul 18, 2003, at 13:31 Europe/London, Lux wrote:

> But where are they from?
> How old are they...and..btw...what's their surname?
> Thanx
> L.
>

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BrP:
> Politicians drag out the "Inalienable right to be free"

"The word is UNalienable, sir."

jeez, I hate musicals, but for some reason,
"1776" hits me just right.

Maybe it's my William Daniels fetish.

--
KITT

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> > Sniffing is ok by me although it looks kind of, I don't know, DOGLIKE.
> There is much we can learn from dogs.

Stay away from my butt, Natalie.

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--- Paul Barfoot <Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU> wrote:
>
> Politicians drag out the "Inalienable right to be
> free" to justify every action they take.  While
> Blair was most eloquent in the delivery, I remain
> unconvinced, along with the guy in Nevada or Idaho
> who asked "why", that it was America's destiny to
> make war on Iraq.  The grand words are not a
> justification for the damage that has been done to
> the furute of world diplomacy.  The grand words,
> beautiful as they are, are thus empty - imho.
>
> BrP

Yes, I see clearly what you are saying, and I firmly
believe there is much truth in it.  But what would you
have had him say? Mea culpa?  As you well know, he's
in deep trouble in Britain, maybe terminal trouble.
Not many prime ministers in all of British political
history have dared to defy their own parties.

And do you seriously believe diplomatic solutions to
have been viable options with Saddam?
>
>
>
>



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> You've answered the question very well, I think. The
> rhetoric is
> full of high-minded principles with which none of us
> would
> disagree, but there they are disconnected from their
> real-world
> implications. Blair would have us think that war
> with Iraq was
> thrust upon the free world much as the war with
> Germany was thrust
> on Britain in the 1930s. It just isn't so. It's a
> fight we picked
> and not because we wanted freedom for the Iraqi
> people. Indeed, if
> you take Blair's rhetoric at face value, you can
> hardly avoid
> wanting to ask to see his list of tyrants we must
> move against
> next.

What I don't get is the motive, the not-so-hidden
agenda - imperialism, oil cartels, lebensraum,
colonization?  Will Iraq be our largest military
stronghold/outpost ever, is that the purpose?  I'm
sorry, this has turned into another "art" discussion
and it was not intended to do so.


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i got my cell phone bill, and the thieves made a ton of calls
on the phone before i had it cut off; so i'm sending a copy of
the bill to the police in hopes that they can track the perps.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
Bad boys, bad boys,
what you gonna do when they come for you!

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> > He is a master of the content-free feel-good political speech. BrP
> Which helps explain his affinity for Bush.

As opposed to any other politician?

Talk about a parasite class.

One thing I do like, though, when flipping
around cable TV in the middle of the night
with a headfull of PBR is seeing Question
Time for the Prime Minister.  The Strines
(CRIKEY!) do it, too.

Man, that's good TV, and we'd be better
off with that than these moronic Q&As
with all the usual suspects from the
Sunday morning masturbation fests.


huzzah huzzah huzzah

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> Sniffing is ok by me although it looks kind of, I don't know, DOGLIKE.

There is much we can learn from dogs.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > which school -- one of the Cal State branches, I think -- Fresno?
>
> Chico. I didn't think they were living there, though; I just thought
> that's where their e-mail was.

That may be.  They were somewhere in California, though, weren't they?
And am I confused about Steph's being originally from Chicago?  That
felt slippery in my head.

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sandra wrote:
>
> > sandra wrote:
> >
> > > > What about tomato sniffers?  It has never occurred to me to fondle
> > > > tomatoes -- they all seem to feel about the same.  But
> > sniffing them can
> > > > be revealing.
> >
> > > Don't you wash your fruit after you get it home? Sniffing is a
> > good way to
> > > tell how good the tomato is. I don't do it, but it doesn't
> > bother me that
> > > others do.
> >
> > I'm trying to figure out the relationship between your question about
> > washing and my comment about sniffing.  Yes, I wash fruit before I eat
> > it.  But how is that relevant to my sniffing tomatoes in stores?
> > (Actually, I almost never buy tomatoes at regular grocery stores since
> > they're never good.  Thus I don't do that much sniffing.  But if I'm in
> > a city that has a farmers' market, I'll sniff.)
> >
> > --
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> I thought you were bothered by the sniffing because it meant possibly their
> nose touched the produce before they returned the produce to the bin.
> Otherwise, why would sniffing bother you?

Sniffing doesn't bother me at all.  I'm a great believer in sniffing
tomatoes.  I was just wondering whether people bothered by the
fruit/vegetable fondlers would also be bothered by sniffers.

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--- > One thing I do like, though, when flipping
> around cable TV in the middle of the night
> with a headfull of PBR is seeing Question
> Time for the Prime Minister.  The Strines
> (CRIKEY!) do it, too.
>
> Man, that's good TV, and we'd be better
> off with that than these moronic Q&As
> with all the usual suspects from the
> Sunday morning masturbation fests.
>
>
> huzzah huzzah huzzah

Yessir, that's fun!


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I find Tony sexy and love hearing him talk.  But I saw nothing but fluff
in what you just quoted.  Fluff is fine, of course.  It can be pleasant,
sort of like certain kinds of music.

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Paul Barfoot wrote:
>
>   He is a master of the content-free feel-good political speech.

Bingo!  That's a good description of the fluff I was talking about.

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In a message dated 7/18/2003 4:56:39 PM Central Daylight Time,
rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU writes:
<<
Maybe it's my William Daniels fetish.

>>

If it hadn't been for him and Edward Mulhare, I never would have
watched Knight Rider.

I have a copy of 1776, and I'd love to see the Adams Chronicles
again.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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"(Reuters) - American children are fatter than ever before, 
but they are far less violent and far less likely to get pregnant 
than most people think . . . "

What the heck does this (infer) (imply) (mean)?

           - D. M.

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> And do you seriously believe diplomatic solutions to
> have been viable options with Saddam?

Options for what?

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In a message dated 7/18/2003 5:06:23 PM Central Daylight Time,
dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:
<<
"(Reuters) - American children are fatter than ever before,
but they are far less violent and far less likely to get pregnant
than most people think . . . "

What the heck does this (infer) (imply) (mean)?

>>

Couch potato kids won't fight or make out as much as
people think.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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Lynne, to mem:
> What I don't get is the motive, the not-so-hidden
> agenda - imperialism, oil cartels, lebensraum,
> colonization?

The thing is, you need to buy into the
simplistic "is the world a better place
without Saddam Hussein?" argument.

Well, of course it is.  And it would be
better off with all these other shitbags
all over the place taking the ol' (as they
say) dirt nap.

Unfortunately, we can't just dispatch 007
to deal with the problem consequence-free.


Man, that'd be nice.

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Evelyn:
> I have a copy of 1776

Next time I'm in Oklahoma, we gotta date.

I'll bring the beer.

Vote for independenSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, zombie pirate monkey wrote:
> Unfortunately, we can't just dispatch 007
> to deal with the problem consequence-free.


> Man, that'd be nice.

I watched him on Jay Leno last night, and I agree. He is a clever man.

And he has nice eyebrows.

Karen

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> "(Reuters) - American children are fatter than ever before,
> but they are far less violent and far less likely to get pregnant
> than most people think . . . "

> What the heck does this (infer) (imply) (mean)?

Teen pregnancy and teen violence rates are down.

Karen

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> What I don't get is the motive, the not-so-hidden
> agenda - imperialism, oil cartels, lebensraum,
> colonization?  Will Iraq be our largest military
> stronghold/outpost ever, is that the purpose?

This article in yesterday's Guardian gives some theories:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,999669,00.html

And this long article in the Nation a couple of weeks ago is
interesting:
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030721&s=seale

As long as I'm tossing urls, here's one that's about the economy, not
about the war, but that sings the praises of Bush-the-Elder:
http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/8391

And here's one called "Romper Room" that's just plain funny (but will
offend some people, of course):
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=16428

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Your Friendly News Service
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> "(Reuters) - American children are fatter than ever before,
> but they are far less violent and far less likely to get pregnant
> than most people think . . . "
>
> What the heck does this (infer) (imply) (mean)?
>
> >>
>
> Couch potato kids won't fight or make out as much as
> people think.
>
> Evelyn Duncan

Hey, that's good, Evelyn.  Is it as much as people think,
or is it as much as other kids not in that category?

I could have read the whole article but IMFTATL.

Do you think they are only content doing their own
<couch> thing . . like, living through the television
rather than living their own lives?

                      - D. M.

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>
> > Man, that'd be nice.
>
> I watched him on Jay Leno last night, and I agree. He is a clever man.
>
> And he has nice eyebrows.
>
> Karen
>

Past his prime.
He was never prime with me.

      - D. M.

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> Do you think they are only content doing their own
> <couch> thing . . like, living through the television
> rather than living their own lives?

That's like suggesting that people who do e-mail have no real life.

Karen

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Natalie:
> And am I confused about Steph's being originally from Chicago?  That
> felt slippery in my head.

I'm pretty sure you're right.

The Chicagoans among us, IIRC, are
steph, me, and Clyde, those who
have left us include Karsten and
AOBD (right?) and in the emeritus
category, we have Alyce.

"Originally from" being the operative
words here.

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In a message dated 7/18/2003 5:33:39 PM Central Daylight Time,
dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:
<<
Do you think they are only content doing their own
<couch> thing . . like, living through the television
rather than living their own lives?

>>

I wish Rod Serling were still alive to see what he would
make of these times.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Verdant also is originally from Chicago, isn't she?

No. East Coast--I thought she was a Fluffyan.

> What about Bayla? She was living in Chicago when she first became a
> Wordsler.

I'm pretty sure she wasn't.

Karen

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In a message dated 7/18/2003 5:35:30 PM Central Daylight Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
<<
That's like suggesting that people who do e-mail have no real life.

>>

But people who read and write e-mail are at least reaching out to
some people.

Evelyn Duncan
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> > "(Reuters) - American children are fatter than ever before,
> > but they are far less violent and far less likely to get pregnant
> > than most people think . . . "
>
> > What the heck does this (infer) (imply) (mean)?
>
> Teen pregnancy and teen violence rates are down.
>
> Karen

Because they're fat??

      - D. M.

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In a message dated 7/18/2003 5:13:59 PM Central Daylight Time,
rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU writes:
<<
Evelyn:
>I have a copy of 1776

Next time I'm in Oklahoma, we gotta date.

I'll bring the beer.

Vote for independenSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

>>

Any other movies you want to see?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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Karen Kay wrote:

> > <couch> thing . . like, living through the television
> > rather than living their own lives?
>
> That's like suggesting that people who do e-mail have no real life.

I disagree.  E-mail is interactive -- it isn't passive.  I see e-mail as
<doing life>.  (I should add that it's ok with me if people want to live
vicariously, via tv.  It's just that I see that as different from
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--
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On Friday, July 18, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>> > "(Reuters) - American children are fatter than ever before,
>> > but they are far less violent and far less likely to get pregnant
>> > than most people think . . . "
>>
>> > What the heck does this (infer) (imply) (mean)?
>>
>> Teen pregnancy and teen violence rates are down.
>>
>> Karen

> Because they're fat??

Whatever bias you want to impose, Doris.

Karen

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> AOBD (right?) and in the emeritus
> category, we have Alyce.

DAMMIT!

"emerita"


Right, Brother Murray?


(I didn't really say "dammit" in Bro. Murray's
class, did I?  This is just some kind of dream
I'm having that's set 25 years in the future,
right?)

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zombie pirate monkey wrote:
>
> Natalie:
> > And am I confused about Steph's being originally from Chicago?  That
> > felt slippery in my head.
>
> I'm pretty sure you're right.
>
> The Chicagoans among us, IIRC, are
> steph, me, and Clyde, those who
> have left us include Karsten and
> AOBD (right?) and in the emeritus
> category, we have Alyce.

Verdant also is originally from Chicago, isn't she?  And you can add
love,judith to the "have left us" group of Chicago natives, though I
think she was about four years old when they moved to California.  What
about Bayla?  She was living in Chicago when she first became a
Wordsler.

And let us not forget Tushykins.  Not a native but certainly a Chicagoan
now.

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > > "(Reuters) - American children are fatter than ever before,
> > > but they are far less violent and far less likely to get pregnant
> > > than most people think . . . "
> >
> > > What the heck does this (infer) (imply) (mean)?
> >
> > Teen pregnancy and teen violence rates are down.
> >
> > Karen
>
> Because they're fat??

I pondered that, but the "but" doesn't exactly work in the sentence.  Or
the relationship of the clauses.  And I'm not sure about the "than most
people think."

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> Any other movies you want to see?

I was hoping that "Invaders from Mars" would arrive today.  But it
didn't.

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> And here's one called "Romper Room" that's just plain funny (but will
> offend some people, of course):
> http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=16428
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


It didn't offend me.  I thought it was funny.  Well written,
in fact.

Maybe the kids running Washington are in trouble because
they are fairly disciplined.  If they became couch potatoes
and gained a lot of weight they would be less aggressive.
And  less sexy.

                              - D. M.

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zombie pirate monkey wrote:
>
> > AOBD (right?) and in the emeritus
> > category, we have Alyce.
>
> DAMMIT!
>
> "emerita"

But you said the "emeritus category."  Assuming that you consider an
emeritus and an emerita in the same category, that category would no
doubt be named The Emeritus Category.  Sexism dies hard.

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> And let us not forget Tushykins.  Not a native
> but certainly a Chicagoan now.

Oh, yes.  I was trying to list the
born-in folks.  But, yeah, I think
I missed Janet.

And will gladly buy M. Samant as
many Ginisssezez as he wants, even
in twinkietown, next time I'm home.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > Verdant also is originally from Chicago, isn't she?
>
> No. East Coast--I thought she was a Fluffyan.

Hmm.  Don't know why I thought Midwest.  I did remember that she wasn't
originally from the left coast.

> > What about Bayla? She was living in Chicago when she first became a
> > Wordsler.
>
> I'm pretty sure she wasn't.

Wasn't which?  A Chicagoan, or living in Chicago in her early Words-L
days?  I'm not sure about the former -- about where she was from
originally.  But I'm almost positive that her move to Florida was from
Chicago.  Her e-mail account was at Northwestern, though that doesn't
mean anything, as we know (remember Tony's signature disclaimer about
not being in Montreal?).  But I'm almost positive that her husband was a
doctor in Chicago when they moved to FL.

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> In a message dated 7/18/2003 5:35:30 PM Central Daylight Time,
> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> <<
> That's like suggesting that people who do e-mail have no real life.

>>>

> But people who read and write e-mail are at least reaching out to
> some people.

Maybe, maybe not.

Karen

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > And here's one called "Romper Room" that's just plain funny (but will
> > offend some people, of course):
> > http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=16428
>
> It didn't offend me.  I thought it was funny.  Well written,
> in fact.

I'm glad since I also found it chuckle-evoking.

> Maybe the kids running Washington are in trouble because
> they are fairly disciplined.  If they became couch potatoes
> and gained a lot of weight they would be less aggressive.
> And  less sexy.

Now that's a thought.  They need to slow down and watch more tv and
become fat and unaggressive.  BC could have gained from such a plan also
-- less likely to be cigaring with Monica.

--
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On Friday, July 18, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > Verdant also is originally from Chicago, isn't she?
>>
>> No. East Coast--I thought she was a Fluffyan.

> Hmm.  Don't know why I thought Midwest.  I did remember that she wasn't
> originally from the left coast.

She lived someplace that started with a D. Dover? I don't remember.

>> > What about Bayla? She was living in Chicago when she first became a
>> > Wordsler.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure she wasn't.

> Wasn't which?  A Chicagoan, or living in Chicago in her early Words-L
> days?  I'm not sure about the former -- about where she was from
> originally.  But I'm almost positive that her move to Florida was from
> Chicago.  Her e-mail account was at Northwestern, though that doesn't
> mean anything, as we know (remember Tony's signature disclaimer about
> not being in Montreal?).  But I'm almost positive that her husband was a
> doctor in Chicago when they moved to FL.

I'm pretty sure (over 98%) that she wasn't in the city of Chicago. She
may have been in Evanston--I also remember the Northwestern addresss.

Karen

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>> On Friday, July 18, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>> >> > "(Reuters) - American children are fatter than ever before,
>> >> > but they are far less violent and far less likely to get pregnant
>> >> > than most people think . . . "
>> >>
>> >> > What the heck does this (infer) (imply) (mean)?
>> >>
>> >> Teen pregnancy and teen violence rates are down.
>> >>
>> >> Karen
>>
>> > Because they're fat??
>>
>> Whatever bias you want to impose, Doris.
>>
>> Karen

> I hope you are being facetious.  There is no bias
> in discussing a quote which says "American kids
> are fatter . ."

Huh? I don't understand your comment. I was not being facetious,
however.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Friday, July 18, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> > In a message dated 7/18/2003 5:35:30 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> > <<
> > That's like suggesting that people who do e-mail have no real life.
> >>>
> > But people who read and write e-mail are at least reaching out to
> > some people.
>
> Maybe, maybe not.

I don't get this.  Seems to me that communicating with other people is
communicating with other people -- and thus is having a <real life>.
Some people might <reach out> more than others, whether in ftf
conversations or in e-mail or on telephones.  But that's a personality
difference, not a difference of the medium -- imho, of course.

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> But you said the "emeritus category."  Assuming that you consider an
> emeritus and an emerita in the same category, that category would no
> doubt be named The Emeritus Category.  Sexism dies hard.

Thank you, Natalie.  The wrath of Bro. Murray
(though a kindhearted soul, don't cross him)
was hanging over my head.

<EVERYONE: stop reading now>

But for the record, all kidding aside, and
all sortsa shit like that, let me state that
Bro. Murray was one of the people who changed
my life, and if a day goes by that I don't
realize that, then I am a total shithead.

Just hadda say it once in public.

<you may begin reading now>

So, how about the Sox, gonna make it,
no prolly not, but at least Frank's
having a good year.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I'm pretty sure (over 98%) that she wasn't in the city of Chicago. She
> may have been in Evanston--I also remember the Northwestern addresss.

Heavens!  I had forgotten about your <literality>.  My friends who teach
at Northwestern (and live in Evanston) say "Chicago" when asked where
they live if somewhere out of that general vicinity.  Sort of like my
friends in Decatur, GA, say "Atlanta" and people in Ridgeland, MS, say
"Jackson," etc. etc.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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PS:  I misspoke when I mentioned on the way to AcadiaFest staying with
friends in Lynchburg, VA.  Their address is Forest, VA.

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Heavens!  I had forgotten about your <literality>.  My friends who teach
> at Northwestern (and live in Evanston) say "Chicago" when asked where
> they live if somewhere out of that general vicinity.

They wouldn't say Chicago if asked by a Chicagoan.

Karen

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> On Friday, July 18, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> >> > "(Reuters) - American children are fatter than ever before,
> >> > but they are far less violent and far less likely to get pregnant
> >> > than most people think . . . "
> >>
> >> > What the heck does this (infer) (imply) (mean)?
> >>
> >> Teen pregnancy and teen violence rates are down.
> >>
> >> Karen
>
> > Because they're fat??
>
> Whatever bias you want to impose, Doris.
>
> Karen

I hope you are being facetious.  There is no bias
in discussing a quote which says "American kids
are fatter . ."

                         - D. M.

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> On Friday, July 18, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>> > In a message dated 7/18/2003 5:35:30 PM Central Daylight Time,
>> > Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
>> > <<
>> > That's like suggesting that people who do e-mail have no real life.
>> >>>
>> > But people who read and write e-mail are at least reaching out to
>> > some people.
>>
>> Maybe, maybe not.

> I don't get this.  Seems to me that communicating with other people is
> communicating with other people -- and thus is having a <real life>.
> Some people might <reach out> more than others, whether in ftf
> conversations or in e-mail or on telephones.  But that's a personality
> difference, not a difference of the medium -- imho, of course.

I don't think all 'reaching out' through electronic media is good or
healthy. There are a lot of verbally abusive people on the Internet.

Karen

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At 05:38 PM 7/18/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
>Do you think they are only content doing their own
><couch> thing . . like, living through the television
>rather than living their own lives?
>
>                       - D. M.

They are on-line playing games.

Gene doing okay, Doris?  What's for dinner?

Betty

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> On Friday, July 18, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> >> My Sweet Polenta taught me to judge canteloupe by the heft, and that
> >> works quite well.
> >>
> >> Karen
>
> > Can you describe how you do this, please?
> > What is the criteria?  Heavy?  Light?
> > What?
>
> Heavy.
>
> He mentioned this when we were chowing down on the best canteloupe I'd
> ever eaten, and when I bought a canteloupe here, I was reminded of
> this. The first one I picked up was extremely heavy for its size. I
> hefted some more to make sure, bought the first one, and sure enough,
> it was as good as the one we bought at the f.m.
>
> Karen

The weight is mostly water. Heavy fruit = juicy and not too old or immature.

Sandra

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> > > Sniffing is ok by me although it looks kind of, I don't know, DOGLIKE.
> > There is much we can learn from dogs.
>
> Stay away from my butt, Natalie.

I just gave a friend (she has two dogs) a cartoon from the New Yorker:

Two dogs looking at each other in a park. One says to the other, "What say
we find another way to say 'Hello'."

Sandra

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Don't forget Jerry Silverman. He's what got me here (blame him).

Sandra

> zombie pirate monkey wrote:
> >
> > Natalie:
> > > And am I confused about Steph's being originally from Chicago?  That
> > > felt slippery in my head.
> >
> > I'm pretty sure you're right.
> >
> > The Chicagoans among us, IIRC, are
> > steph, me, and Clyde, those who
> > have left us include Karsten and
> > AOBD (right?) and in the emeritus
> > category, we have Alyce.
>
> Verdant also is originally from Chicago, isn't she?  And you can add
> love,judith to the "have left us" group of Chicago natives, though I
> think she was about four years old when they moved to California.  What
> about Bayla?  She was living in Chicago when she first became a
> Wordsler.
>
> And let us not forget Tushykins.  Not a native but certainly a Chicagoan
> now.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>

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>There are a lot of verbally abusive people on the Internet.

FUCK YOU!

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, zombie pirate monkey wrote:
>>There are a lot of verbally abusive people on the Internet.

> FUCK YOU!

You are so *nice*, Richard! Thank you.

Karen

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A thread involving several melonheads:
>He mentioned this when we were chowing
>down on the best canteloupe I'd ever eaten

I have been searching in vain for a URL
to post, but there is a strip of the
timeless "Shoe" where Professor Cosmo
Fishhawk is demonstrating how to choose
a proper melon.

Panel 1:  I can't recall, but it's the
setup, duh.

Panel 2: "You pick it up like this, and
thump is thusly."

Panel 3: "And if nothing scampers out,
it's probably O.K."


Some day, with luck, I will be able to
use the phrase "thump it thusly" in
conversation.

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> >
> >                       - D. M.
>
> They are on-line playing games.
>
> Gene doing okay, Doris?  What's for dinner?
>
> Betty

He is doing very well.  Driving again, and doing
a little work.  Napping now and then, but then
jumping up and right back at it.

I worked hard all day cleaning out our motor
home, which we are putting up for sale.
So . . . Gene is taking me out for dinner.

                - D. M.

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> Don't forget Jerry Silverman. He's what got me here (blame him).
>
> Sandra

Are you in touch with him?  How's he doing?
Still collecting Persian rugs?

             - D. M.

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On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> FUCK YOU!
>
>You are so *nice*, Richard! Thank you.

Surely you meant "Fuck you very much!"

Bethany

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>> FUCK YOU!
>>
>>You are so *nice*, Richard! Thank you.

> Surely you meant "Fuck you very much!"

Not me, no. You?

Karen

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zombie pirate monkey wrote:

> <EVERYONE: stop reading now>
>
> But for the record, all kidding aside, and
> all sortsa shit like that, let me state that
> Bro. Murray was one of the people who changed
> my life, and if a day goes by that I don't
> realize that, then I am a total shithead.

I violated your command and kept reading.  And am glad I did.  I liked
what you said.

--
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Karen Kay wrote:

> > at Northwestern (and live in Evanston) say "Chicago" when asked where
> > they live if somewhere out of that general vicinity.
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> They wouldn't say Chicago if asked by a Chicagoan.

See ^^^^ above.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> On Friday, July 18, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >> On Friday, July 18, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> >> > In a message dated 7/18/2003 5:35:30 PM Central Daylight Time,
> >> > Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> >> > <<
> >> > That's like suggesting that people who do e-mail have no real life.
> >> >>>
> >> > But people who read and write e-mail are at least reaching out to
> >> > some people.
> >>
> >> Maybe, maybe not.
>
> > I don't get this.  Seems to me that communicating with other people is
> > communicating with other people -- and thus is having a <real life>.
> > Some people might <reach out> more than others, whether in ftf
> > conversations or in e-mail or on telephones.  But that's a personality
> > difference, not a difference of the medium -- imho, of course.
>
> I don't think all 'reaching out' through electronic media is good or
> healthy. There are a lot of verbally abusive people on the Internet.

And I'm the one accused of turning threads into what they weren't?  Who
was talking about good or healthy or verbal abuse?

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I worked hard all day cleaning out our motor
> home, which we are putting up for sale.

Is it an old one?  I was reading something somewhere in the past few
weeks about how <vintage motor homes> are majorly in right now.

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02003-07-18 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Friday, July 18, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Heavens!  I had forgotten about your <literality>.  My friends who teach
> > at Northwestern (and live in Evanston) say "Chicago" when asked where
> > they live if somewhere out of that general vicinity.
>
> They wouldn't say Chicago if asked by a Chicagoan.

And who did?

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Bethany:
> Surely you meant "Fuck you very much!"

What I have written, I have written.

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> > Don't forget Jerry Silverman. He's what got me here (blame him).
> >
> > Sandra
>
> Are you in touch with him?  How's he doing?
> Still collecting Persian rugs?
>
>              - D. M.

Nope. Haven't been in touch in years.

Sandra

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I feel guilty about not getting my money's worth out of my DirecTV and
thus make myself look at the guide from time to time to find things to
watch.  I did so a little while ago and found four movies I was
interested in, all of which I think I've seen before:  "Marnie,"
"Cocoon," "You've Got Mail," "Postcards from the Edge."  I was feeling
panicky about what to do -- about how to make the choice.  And mainly I
was thinking about how what I really wanted to do tonight was further
exploration of William and Thomas Cox, brothers of my gg-grandmother.
So I stuck a tape in a little while ago and decided to tell it to tape
"Marnie," since that one said "suspense" and was the one of the four
that I really couldn't remember, though I'm pretty sure I saw it in the
'60s.  It's about a rich husband and his kleptomaniac wife.  Anyway, the
tape has presumably just clicked on now (it's in another room), and here
I am back at the computer, though I'm here to get into genealogy and not
do more e-mail.

I'm revving myself up for two upcoming genealogy-related events.  I'm
going to South Mississippi next weekend to meet 5th or 6th cousins.
Then a week later I'll be going to roam around cemeteries in SC, go to
the NC state archives in Raleigh, and then over to the mountains for a
reunion with 6th or so cousins.  I am so very glad that I'm feeling good
about Furrbabies again.
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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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02003-07-18 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> Wow.  I have left the manuscript in its entirety for
> posterity.  "Will & Grace" really tweaks your funny
> bone, eh?

No.

> Do you recall what the other three guys in THAT guy's
> company looked like?  Are there any further tidbits
> that would interest Wordslers?

No and no.

> If THIS guy is THAT guy, he is a talented son of a
> biscuit eater.

If you insist ...

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Nat the Lat-expert:
> I violated your command and kept reading.
> And am glad I did.  I liked what you said.

Well, of course you did.

Anyone who's spent any time teaching
(which is not to be confused with
standing in front of a class talking,
as my tiresome tirades in previous
WORDS-L postings address) hopes that
maybe one of his/her students might
say more or less what I said.

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02003-07-18 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> T...you'd love living in the Los Angeles area.

This gets the least accurate statement award ...

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02003-07-18 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > > Verdant also is originally from Chicago, isn't she?
> >
> > No. East Coast--I thought she was a Fluffyan.
>
> Hmm.  Don't know why I thought Midwest.  I did remember that she wasn't
> originally from the left coast.

Natalie is right, K-R-N is wrong.

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02003-07-18 | zombie pirate monkey <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> Oh, yes.  I was trying to list the
> born-in folks.  But, yeah, I think
> I missed Janet.
>
> And will gladly buy M. Samant as
> many Ginisssezez as he wants, even
> in twinkietown, next time I'm home.

Six are enough, har har har. What's "twinkietown"?

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02003-07-18 | Rita Leonard <leonard@BC.EDU> writes:
> Rita L.  - hoping that this discussion does not turn into a debate about
> recycling :-)

Not strictly about recycling, but I had a question: let's say you have
leftover pasta from two days ago, and it's turned kind of slimy. What
do you do with it? Eat it or throw it out?

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From: "zombie pirate monkey" <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>
> Tushar:
> > Six are enough, har har har. What's "twinkietown"?
>
> Nevermind, we'll drink on Western Ave. like men.

Well... pretend anyway...

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02003-07-18 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Friday, July 18, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> >> My Sweet Polenta taught me to judge canteloupe by the heft, and that
> >> works quite well.
> >>
> >> Karen
>
> > Can you describe how you do this, please?
> > What is the criteria?  Heavy?  Light?
> > What?
>
> Heavy.
>
> He mentioned this when we were chowing down on the best canteloupe I'd
> ever eaten, and when I bought a canteloupe here, I was reminded of
> this. The first one I picked up was extremely heavy for its size. I
> hefted some more to make sure, bought the first one, and sure enough,
> it was as good as the one we bought at the f.m.
>
> Karen

You excel at misspelling fruits, Karen.

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Tushar:
> Six are enough, har har har. What's "twinkietown"?

Nevermind, we'll drink on Western Ave. like men.

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> Have any of you seen  "car" grocery carts?  It is a standard size cart

Stop & Shop has them and I abhor them.

Most kids at the grocery store annoy me.

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At 06:04 PM 7/18/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>I don't think all 'reaching out' through electronic media is good or
>healthy. There are a lot of verbally abusive people on the Internet.
>
>Karen

Right here on this list!

B

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> 02003-07-18 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > T...you'd love living in the Los Angeles area.
>
> This gets the least accurate statement award ...

Maybe you've just got stars in your eyes.

Sandra

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At 06:32 PM 7/18/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
> > Don't forget Jerry Silverman. He's what got me here (blame him).
> >
> > Sandra
>
>Are you in touch with him?  How's he doing?
>Still collecting Persian rugs?

Books about rugs.

B

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>
> At 06:32 PM 7/18/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
> > > Don't forget Jerry Silverman. He's what got me here (blame him).
> > >
> > > Sandra
> >
> >Are you in touch with him?  How's he doing?
> >Still collecting Persian rugs?
>
> Books about rugs.
>
> B

To his delight, books are cheaper than rugs  ;)

Sandra

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02003-07-18 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > > > Sniffing is ok by me although it looks kind of, I don't know, DOGLIKE.
> > > There is much we can learn from dogs.
> >
> > Stay away from my butt, Natalie.
>
> I just gave a friend (she has two dogs) a cartoon from the New Yorker:
>
> Two dogs looking at each other in a park. One says to the other, "What say
> we find another way to say 'Hello'."

Bwaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaha!

New Yorker cartoons just KILL me!

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At 07:05 PM 07/18/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>So I stuck a tape in a little while ago and decided to tell it to tape
>"Marnie,"

Nataile, you should have opted for Cocoon. It has "Pod People." It's been
almost forty years since I've seen Marnie but I remember it as being very
boring. One of Hitchcock's worst.

Larry

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At 08:53 PM 7/18/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > Have any of you seen  "car" grocery carts?  It is a standard size cart
>
>Stop & Shop has them and I abhor them.
>
>Most kids at the grocery store annoy me.

amen.

cwv

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At 06:19 PM 7/18/2003 -0700, Larry Clark wrote:
>At 07:05 PM 07/18/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >So I stuck a tape in a little while ago and decided to tell it to tape
> >"Marnie,"
>
>Nataile, you should have opted for Cocoon. It has "Pod People." It's been
>almost forty years since I've seen Marnie but I remember it as being very
>boring. One of Hitchcock's worst.

I don't think that Connery is all that proud of it either.

cwv

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sandra wrote:
> > >Still collecting Persian rugs?
> > Books about rugs.
> To his delight, books are cheaper than rugs  ;)

But is that real life?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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--- Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:
> Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> > And do you seriously believe diplomatic solutions
> to
> > have been viable options with Saddam?
>
> Options for what?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

(I know I shouldn't do this, but it's the gremlin.)  I
was referring to Br Paul's apparent position that
diplomatic channels have been irrevocably damaged by
this war.  Certainly, there was no hope of diplomacy
in Iraq with Hussein in power.

     But wait, I also know that we can't say the hell
with France, Germany, and Russia.  It is generally
accepted, I believe, that each of those nations had
internal domestic concerns that colored their
decisions on the international scene.  But I also
believe that, in some cases, those concerns will not
bear close scrutiny.

All politicians blow smoke and spout fluff.  The
conservatives are as bad as the liberals, and the
moderates are gaining fast.

I wish someone would draw for us his/her rendition of
the zombie monkey pirate.


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Larry Clark wrote:
> Nataile, you should have opted for Cocoon. It has "Pod People." It's been
> almost forty years since I've seen Marnie but I remember it as being very
> boring. One of Hitchcock's worst.

Oh dear.  I was soooo close to choosing Cocoon.  Actually, I do think
I've seen both of them (and know I've seen the other two I was
considering).  But it's too late now.  The VCR is no doubt whirring away
taping "Marnie."  Everything is in a whir.  My computer is whirring away
doing its Friday-night Norton thing.  And my mind is whirring away
trying to sort out the gazillions of Kinard-Swittenberg connections in
18th-century SC.  And that wasn't even what I meant to get into
tonight.  I was going to do Coxes.  But Coxes are harder because there
are so many of them -- plus zillions of sources on the web proclaiming
my royal blood, based on questionable data.  I just sent e-mail to
somebody whose web page has my gg-grandmother and her siblings called
"direct descendants" of King Whateverthefuck and the Royal Whoeverever
and on and on and on.  I politely asked for sources.  This should be
fun.  My guess is that they're the same ones I saw in the Mormon files I
ordered from SLC -- the ones where one of my alleged ancestors gave
birth sixteen years before she was born, somebody else was married to
his grandmother, etc. etc.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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----- Original Message -----
From: "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM>
> >Most kids at the grocery store annoy me.
>
> amen.
>
> cwv

A boy scout there may save you life someday...

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> Oh dear.  I was soooo close to choosing Cocoon.  Actually, I do think
> I've seen both of them (and know I've seen the other two I was
> considering).  But it's too late now.  The VCR is no doubt whirring away
> taping "Marnie."  Everything is in a whir.  My computer is whirring away
> doing its Friday-night Norton thing.  And my mind is whirring away
> trying to sort out the gazillions of Kinard-Swittenberg connections in
> 18th-century SC.  And that wasn't even what I meant to get into
> tonight.  I was going to do Coxes.  But Coxes are harder because there
> are so many of them -- plus zillions of sources on the web proclaiming
> my royal blood, based on questionable data.  I just sent e-mail to
> somebody whose web page has my gg-grandmother and her siblings called
> "direct descendants" of King Whateverthefuck and the Royal Whoeverever
> and on and on and on.  I politely asked for sources.  This should be
> fun.  My guess is that they're the same ones I saw in the Mormon files I
> ordered from SLC -- the ones where one of my alleged ancestors gave
> birth sixteen years before she was born, somebody else was married to
> his grandmother, etc. etc.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


I chose Marnie. Wow...is she overwraught.

Sandra

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> Some day, with luck, I will be able to
> use the phrase "thump it thusly" in
> conversation.

Now THAT conjures up images.


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> A boy scout there may save you life someday...

Boy Scouts I can handle.

It's the 3-6 year olds that drive me crazy.

--Adam

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,999669,00.html

 http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030721&s=seale

> http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/8391
>
>> http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=16428
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Your Friendly News Service
>     for more, see http://nmaynor.blogspot.com/

Natalie,

At this rate, I'll get caught up with posts about 2:15
Monday AM.  The same gremlin that compells me to write
things, also compells me to read things.


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Lynne Weber wrote:
> > > And do you seriously believe diplomatic solutions
> > to
> > > have been viable options with Saddam?
> >
> > Options for what?

> (I know I shouldn't do this, but it's the gremlin.)  I
> was referring to Br Paul's apparent position that
> diplomatic channels have been irrevocably damaged by
> this war.  Certainly, there was no hope of diplomacy
> in Iraq with Hussein in power.

I probably wasn't paying enough attention to what BrP said.  Hmm.  That
sounds as if I don't pay attention to BrP, which is not at all what I
meant.  I always pay attention to BrP.  I meant that I probably was
reading quickly and not paying much attention to the discussion in
general, with other things on my mind, etc.  I didn't remember the talk
of diplomacy.  My question simply meant diplomacy about what.  Iow, why
did the Bushies single out Saddam as a target?  What kind of diplomacy
are you talking about?

> All politicians blow smoke and spout fluff.  The
> conservatives are as bad as the liberals, and the
> moderates are gaining fast.

I agree that all politicians blow smoke and spout fluff.  But I think
some lie more egregiously about more important matters than others do.
Yes, Clinton lied about his sex life.  I found that all absurd beyond
words.  Not that I'm condoning lying -- what I found absurd was that he
was dragged into the situation of being questioned about his sex life.
Hillary and Chelsea might care what he does with his sinclair or who he
plays with cigars with, but why should the rest of us care?  I certainly
don't.  I do care when the POTUS's lies result in thousands of deaths.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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sandra wrote:

> I chose Marnie. Wow...is she overwraught.

Who?  Marnie?  Is this good or bad?  Nevermind.  No Marnie discussion
now.  I'll watch it tomorrow night, unless "Invaders from Mars" arrives
in tomorrow's mail, in which case I will watch it.  (I don't do
double-features.  It will be one or the other.)

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, Betty wrote:
> At 09:48 PM 7/18/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>On Friday, July 18, 2003, Betty wrote:
>> >>
>> >>Am I mutant for sensing something snotty in this response?  Like why the
>> >>sighing, and why the caps and yay?
>> >>
>> >>--
>> >>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>>
>> > Just be happy.  It's not often she admits she was WRONG.
>>
>>I didn't. I just said she won. That's not at all the same thing.

> YaY.  Natalie won! YaY

:)

Karen

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I just googled and found that the article I read was in Newsweek:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/935274.asp?cp1=1#BODY

My quick reglance at it made me think that it might not have said that
old rv's were gathering big money -- just that they were popular.

--
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Karen Kay wrote:

> I don't know if it's snotty or not. I thought it was funny that you
> repeated yourself, and pointless to continue the discussion. We were
> talking from two different POVs. Like, I was thinking about if Richard
> would say someone from Evanston is from Chicago, and you were thinking
> something else.

Ah so.  I hadn't realized that it was all up to Richard.  I thought it
was a Words-L discussion about who was or wasn't from Chicago.  Since
most of us aren't, it struck me as <logical> to be speaking from that
point of view.  (I was a resident of Chicago for two months.  Does that
count?  I guess not.)

> The caps were to make sure you heard me, and the 'YaY' was to improve
> your poor self-esteem.

And this is the kind of BS that I realized during my recent absence from
Words-L that life was much happier without.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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i searched anywho.com to see if i could find out who belongs to the
numbers, and i found one (the rest are probably cell phones; i didn't
check the 1-800 numbers).  now i have a name and phone number to
give to the police.

Evelyn Duncan
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Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,999669,00.html
>
>  http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030721&s=seale
>
> > http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/8391
> >
> >> http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=16428
> >
> > --
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> >     Your Friendly News Service
> >     for more, see http://nmaynor.blogspot.com/
>
> Natalie,
>
> At this rate, I'll get caught up with posts about 2:15
> Monday AM.  The same gremlin that compells me to write
> things, also compells me to read things.

Oh good.  I feel like a <provider>.  Or maybe an <enabler>.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> Six are enough, har har har. What's "twinkietown"?

Arghh!  Are we back to Twinkies?


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02003-07-18 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> >
> > 02003-07-18 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > > T...you'd love living in the Los Angeles area.
> >
> > This gets the least accurate statement award ...
>
> Maybe you've just got stars in your eyes.

Oops! This one does.

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02003-07-18 | Alan Wild <awild@URI.EDU> writes:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "zombie pirate monkey" <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>
> > Tushar:
> > > Six are enough, har har har. What's "twinkietown"?
> >
> > Nevermind, we'll drink on Western Ave. like men.
>
> Well... pretend anyway...

Good call! They are not men, they d*kes with buzz cuts

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02003-07-18 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > Six are enough, har har har. What's "twinkietown"?
>
> Arghh!  Are we back to Twinkies?

You know you can't kill a twinkie thread.

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> > at Northwestern (and live in Evanston) say "Chicago" when asked where
>> > they live if somewhere out of that general vicinity.
>               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>> They wouldn't say Chicago if asked by a Chicagoan.

> See ^^^^ above.

Sigh.

YOU WIN, NATALIE! YaY!

Karen

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> > I don't get this.  Seems to me that communicating with other people is
>> > communicating with other people -- and thus is having a <real life>.
>> > Some people might <reach out> more than others, whether in ftf
>> > conversations or in e-mail or on telephones.  But that's a personality
>> > difference, not a difference of the medium -- imho, of course.
>>
>> I don't think all 'reaching out' through electronic media is good or
>> healthy. There are a lot of verbally abusive people on the Internet.

> And I'm the one accused of turning threads into what they weren't?  Who
> was talking about good or healthy or verbal abuse?

You said that communicating with other people is having a <real life>.
I don't think abuse is a <real life>. You may think differently, of
course.

Karen

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-07-18 | Rita Leonard <leonard@BC.EDU> writes:
>> Rita L.  - hoping that this discussion does not turn into a debate about
>> recycling :-)

> Not strictly about recycling, but I had a question: let's say you have
> leftover pasta from two days ago, and it's turned kind of slimy. What
> do you do with it? Eat it or throw it out?

Freeze it!

Karen

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> You excel at misspelling fruits, Karen.

Thank you!

Karen

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, Betty wrote:
> At 06:04 PM 7/18/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>I don't think all 'reaching out' through electronic media is good or
>>healthy. There are a lot of verbally abusive people on the Internet.
>>
>>Karen

> Right here on this list!

Indeed. (Hi, Rashmi!)

Karen

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> > All politicians blow smoke and spout fluff.  The
> > conservatives are as bad as the liberals, and the
> > moderates are gaining fast.
>
> I agree that all politicians blow smoke and spout
> fluff.  But I think
> some lie more egregiously about more important
> matters than others do.
> Yes, Clinton lied about his sex life.  I found that
> all absurd beyond
> words.  Not that I'm condoning lying
> Hillary and Chelsea might care what he does with his
> sinclair or who he
> plays with cigars with, but why should the rest of
> us care?  I certainly
> don't.  I do care when the POTUS's lies result in
> thousands of deaths.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I don't know why the Bushies chose Iraq, unless it was
really for the rather lame excuse that the attackers
on 9/11 were Arabic.

I loathe laying and being mislead, because it implies
that the liars think I don't have the sense God gave a
kudzu vine to make up my own mind.  I also resent it
when folks in public service begin to believe they are
not accountable to the public.

Two years from now, who will remember the names of all
those who have been killed, other than their families?
 I have given this considerable thought, possibly too
much thought.  I don't like the way military brass run
on about their precious little war games when valuable
lives (and they all are) are in the balance.

But I don't believe in isolationism, either.  We can't
sit back in our comfy little personal worlds and let
all the world's ills pass us by.  We may not be able
to fix them. but not to address them at all would
really be cowardly.


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Karen Kay wrote:
> >> > at Northwestern (and live in Evanston) say "Chicago" when asked where
> >> > they live if somewhere out of that general vicinity.
> >               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >>
> >> They wouldn't say Chicago if asked by a Chicagoan.
>
> > See ^^^^ above.
>
> Sigh.
>
> YOU WIN, NATALIE! YaY!

Am I mutant for sensing something snotty in this response?  Like why the
sighing, and why the caps and yay?

--
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02003-07-18 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Friday, July 18, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-07-18 | Rita Leonard <leonard@BC.EDU> writes:
> >> Rita L.  - hoping that this discussion does not turn into a debate about
> >> recycling :-)
>
> > Not strictly about recycling, but I had a question: let's say you have
> > leftover pasta from two days ago, and it's turned kind of slimy. What
> > do you do with it? Eat it or throw it out?
>
> Freeze it!

For eating or throwing out?

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02003-07-18 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Friday, July 18, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > You excel at misspelling fruits, Karen.
>
> Thank you!

You are welcome, but that's not the appropriate reaction, IMO.

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> I don't know why the Bushies chose Iraq, unless it was
> really for the rather lame excuse that the attackers
> on 9/11 were Arabic.

What does 'Arabic' mean in this context?

Karen

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Doris Markland wrote:
> > Is it an old one?  I was reading something somewhere in the past few
> > weeks about how <vintage motor homes> are majorly in right now.
> >
> Really??  Probably people in this area don't know
> that though, alas.  This one is a 1976 Cobra, very
> nice, and in good condition, cozy.  Has a kitchen,
> bath with shower.  Sleeps 4, with bed (above
> the driver) and a pull-out sofa, two swivel chairs,
> 3 small tables.

I don't remember for sure what I read, but I think it was talking about
older than that -- I'm thinking '50s.  The name Airstream comes to mind,
and I'm remembering a picture showing a sort of roundish, silver-colored
thing.  And I'm almost positive that something was said about vintage
'50s as being <cool>.

This was quite likely in either Newsweek or Time.  Or maybe not.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>
>Am I mutant for sensing something snotty in this response?  Like why the
>sighing, and why the caps and yay?
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Just be happy.  It's not often she admits she was WRONG.

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> >> > at Northwestern (and live in Evanston) say "Chicago" when asked where
>> >> > they live if somewhere out of that general vicinity.
>> >               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >>
>> >> They wouldn't say Chicago if asked by a Chicagoan.
>>
>> > See ^^^^ above.
>>
>> Sigh.
>>
>> YOU WIN, NATALIE! YaY!

> Am I mutant for sensing something snotty in this response?  Like why the
> sighing, and why the caps and yay?

I don't know if it's snotty or not. I thought it was funny that you
repeated yourself, and pointless to continue the discussion. We were
talking from two different POVs. Like, I was thinking about if Richard
would say someone from Evanston is from Chicago, and you were thinking
something else.

The caps were to make sure you heard me, and the 'YaY' was to improve
your poor self-esteem.

Karen

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>
> Freeze it!
>
> Karen

Then feed it to company two months later.


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On Friday, July 18, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-07-18 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Friday, July 18, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > 02003-07-18 | Rita Leonard <leonard@BC.EDU> writes:
>> >> Rita L.  - hoping that this discussion does not turn into a debate about
>> >> recycling :-)
>>
>> > Not strictly about recycling, but I had a question: let's say you have
>> > leftover pasta from two days ago, and it's turned kind of slimy. What
>> > do you do with it? Eat it or throw it out?
>>
>> Freeze it!

> For eating or throwing out?

Your call.

Karen

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> 02003-07-18 | Rita Leonard <leonard@BC.EDU> writes:
> > Rita L.  - hoping that this discussion does not turn into a debate
about
> > recycling :-)
>
> Not strictly about recycling, but I had a question: let's say you have
> leftover pasta from two days ago, and it's turned kind of slimy. What
> do you do with it? Eat it or throw it out?

Eat it.  Should go down slick
as a whistle.

                - D. M.

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-07-18 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Friday, July 18, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > You excel at misspelling fruits, Karen.
>>
>> Thank you!

> You are welcome, but that's not the appropriate reaction, IMO.

Fuck you very often? I mean, much???

Karen

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, Betty wrote:
>>
>>Am I mutant for sensing something snotty in this response?  Like why the
>>sighing, and why the caps and yay?
>>
>>--
>>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

> Just be happy.  It's not often she admits she was WRONG.

I didn't. I just said she won. That's not at all the same thing.

Karen

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, zombie pirate monkey wrote:
> Some day, with luck, I will be able to
> use the phrase "thump it thusly" in
> conversation.

Paul can advise you on working it into conversation. He's
distressingly good at that sort of thing.

Karen

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> > Sigh.
> >
> > YOU WIN, NATALIE! YaY!
>
> Am I mutant for sensing something snotty in this
> response?  Like why the
> sighing, and why the caps and yay?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 09:48 PM 7/18/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Friday, July 18, 2003, Betty wrote:
> >>
> >>Am I mutant for sensing something snotty in this response?  Like why the
> >>sighing, and why the caps and yay?
> >>
> >>--
> >>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> > Just be happy.  It's not often she admits she was WRONG.
>
>I didn't. I just said she won. That's not at all the same thing.

YaY.  Natalie won! YaY

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Karen Kay wrote:

> You said that communicating with other people is having a <real life>.
> I don't think abuse is a <real life>. You may think differently, of
> course.

Way weird.  I can't imagine how abuse would occur outside of <real
life>.  Not that I'm promoting abuse, of course.  But the idea of abuse
as being non-real-life is what strikes me as odd.

--
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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Not strictly about recycling, but I had a question: let's say you have
> > leftover pasta from two days ago, and it's turned kind of slimy. What
> > do you do with it? Eat it or throw it out?
>
> Freeze it!

I would freeze it before it turned kind of slimy.  Why let something
turn slimy if you have a freezer?

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
[BB said:]
>> YaY.  Natalie won! YaY

Yesterday when I was working on my Secret Knitting Project in the car,
my Fiber Friend kept saying 'knit, purl, purl, purl, purl, knit' at
random intervals just to screw me up. She reminded me of you at your
worst.

Karen

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I can't imagine how abuse would occur outside of <real
life>>.

I hope you never have to find out.

Karen

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At 09:57 PM 7/18/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Friday, July 18, 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>[BB said:]
> >> YaY.  Natalie won! YaY
>
>Yesterday when I was working on my Secret Knitting Project in the car,
>my Fiber Friend kept saying 'knit, purl, purl, purl, purl, knit' at
>random intervals just to screw me up. She reminded me of you at your
>worst.

You haven't seen me at my worst.

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On Wednesday, July 16, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
>> I'm not sure how that outpoors me. If I knew some place like that,
>> I'd be eating there now.

> Why? You could probably have the same thing at home even cheaper.

But sometimes it's nice to go out.

Karen

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, Betty wrote:
> At 09:57 PM 7/18/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>On Friday, July 18, 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>>[BB said:]
>> >> YaY.  Natalie won! YaY
>>
>>Yesterday when I was working on my Secret Knitting Project in the car,
>>my Fiber Friend kept saying 'knit, purl, purl, purl, purl, knit' at
>>random intervals just to screw me up. She reminded me of you at your
>>worst.

> You haven't seen me at my worst.

THANK GOD!

You win, Betty!! YaY!

Karen

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> I don't know why the Bushies chose Iraq, unless it was
> really for the rather lame excuse that the attackers
> on 9/11 were Arabic.

That was the excuse, not the reason.  And it has worked pretty well.
It's shocking, to say the least, that there are still plenty of people
in this country who think there was a connection between 9/11 and Iraq.
The Bushies were counting on that kind of ignorance and of course were
making statements to encourage it.

> I loathe laying and being mislead, because it implies
> that the liars think I don't have the sense God gave a
> kudzu vine to make up my own mind.  I also resent it
> when folks in public service begin to believe they are
> not accountable to the public.

Yes.  I find the Bushies not only horrifying in their lies but also
insulting beyond words in their assumption that we the people don't have
any sense.  Unfortunately, it may be true that many voters in this
country don't have any sense.  I think I mentioned earlier the Telecomm
secretary I was talking with way back who said when I mentioned the
federal deficit that it was Clinton's fault -- that he had left the
country in enormous debt.  Things like that make me think at times that
there should be a test of general knowledge of current events required
for voting.  But then I remember the old literacy tests and think a
strong no to that kind of idea.

--
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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> On Friday, July 18, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > I don't know why the Bushies chose Iraq, unless it was
> > really for the rather lame excuse that the attackers
> > on 9/11 were Arabic.
>
> What does 'Arabic' mean in this context?

I can't speak for Lynne, but I assumed that she meant that Iraq is part
of the Arab world.  Did you not catch on to that?  I would think that
even a linguist would catch her meaning.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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From: Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@yahoo.com>
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> What does 'Arabic' mean in this context?
>
> Karen

What it means to me, in this or any other context, is
the ethnic group that now lives, works, reproduces and
dies in the lands that were once known to the world as
Arabia.


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> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > I worked hard all day cleaning out our motor
> > home, which we are putting up for sale.
>
> Is it an old one?  I was reading something somewhere in the past few
> weeks about how <vintage motor homes> are majorly in right now.
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> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>
Really??  Probably people in this area don't know
that though, alas.  This one is a 1976 Cobra, very
nice, and in good condition, cozy.  Has a kitchen,
bath with shower.  Sleeps 4, with bed (above
the driver) and a pull-out sofa, two swivel chairs,
3 small tables.

                                  - D. M.

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I can't speak for Lynne,

No, you can't. I will wait for Lynne's response.

Karen

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02003-07-18 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Friday, July 18, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-07-18 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> On Friday, July 18, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> > 02003-07-18 | Rita Leonard <leonard@BC.EDU> writes:
> >> >> Rita L.  - hoping that this discussion does not turn into a debate about
> >> >> recycling :-)
> >>
> >> > Not strictly about recycling, but I had a question: let's say you have
> >> > leftover pasta from two days ago, and it's turned kind of slimy. What
> >> > do you do with it? Eat it or throw it out?
> >>
> >> Freeze it!
>
> > For eating or throwing out?
>
> Your call.

What a useless service this is ...

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> What does 'Arabic' mean in this context?
>>
>> Karen

> What it means to me, in this or any other context, is
> the ethnic group that now lives, works, reproduces and
> dies in the lands that were once known to the world as
> Arabia.

Okay.

The reason I asked was because Arabic used as a noun means the
language to me--and also to AHD and M-W. I thought it was used as a
noun, and had trouble parsing the sentence.

But I see that as an adjective, it can mean 'Of or relating to Arabia,
the Arabs, their language, or their culture.'

Karen

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On Friday, July 18, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> The caps were to make sure you heard me, and the 'YaY' was to improve
>> your poor self-esteem.

> And this is the kind of BS that I realized during my recent absence from
> Words-L that life was much happier without.

So you left the list because of me? Then I should leave.

Karen

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> question: let's say you have
> > >> > leftover pasta from two days ago, and it's
> turned kind of slimy. What
> > >> > do you do with it? Eat it or throw it out?
> > >>
> > >> Freeze it!
> >
> > > For eating or throwing out?
> >
> > Your call.
>
> What a useless service this is ...

It's not indecision, it's multiple choice.


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Natalie Maynor" <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
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Subject: Airstreams


> I just googled and found that the article I read was in Newsweek:
>
> http://www.msnbc.com/news/935274.asp?cp1=1#BODY
>
> My quick reglance at it made me think that it might not have said that
> old rv's were gathering big money -- just that they were popular.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Thanks.  Yes, Airstreams are in a category all their own.
We've had friends who owned them.  They all belong
like to a club, and they travel and meet other Airstream
people.

I'm afraid that kind of life is not for me.  Our vehicle
was used usually for hunters and fishermen, though
occasionally for grandchildren trips or camp-outs.

                            - D. M.

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>
> Okay.
>
> The reason I asked was because Arabic used as a noun
> means the
> language to me--and also to AHD and M-W. I thought
> it was used as a
> noun, and had trouble parsing the sentence.
>
> But I see that as an adjective, it can mean 'Of or
> relating to Arabia,
> the Arabs, their language, or their culture.'
>
> Karen

Phew!!

BTW, have you ever heard of "grammas grass"?


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On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>I loathe laying and being mislead, because it implies

hmmmmm.

Bethany

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--- "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU>
wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> >I loathe laying and being mislead, because it
> implies
>
> hmmmmm.
>
> Bethany

Sorry.  I swear Freud had nothing to do with it.

What happened with Merrill Lynch?  I had to delete a
bunch of mail, and I guess I missed it.


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> What about tomato sniffers?  It has never occurred to me to fondle
> tomatoes -- they all seem to feel about the same.  But sniffing
> them can
> be revealing.

Sniffing pineapples is good too.

Marie

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> they live if somewhere out of that general vicinity.  Sort of like my
> friends in Decatur, GA, say "Atlanta" and people in Ridgeland, MS, say
> "Jackson," etc. etc.

And like I say "Philadelphia". When I'm in Philly, I say I'm from "Bucks County" or "Langhorne" or the "Northeast burbs".

Marie

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> 02003-07-18 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > Verdant also is originally from Chicago, isn't she?
> > >
> > > No. East Coast--I thought she was a Fluffyan.
> >
> > Hmm.  Don't know why I thought Midwest.  I did remember that she
> wasn't> originally from the left coast.
>
> Natalie is right, K-R-N is wrong.

Janet's from Devon, PA. Main Line. Philadelphia.

Marie

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From: Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM>
> > > "(Reuters) - American children are fatter than ever before,
> > > but they are far less violent and far less likely to get pregnant
> > > than most people think . . . "
> >
> > > What the heck does this (infer) (imply) (mean)?
> >
> > Teen pregnancy and teen violence rates are down.
> >
> > Karen
>
> Because they're fat??

It doesn't imply or mean that at all. If that's what they were saying they'd say "because" not "but". It implies that kids today eat too much and poorly and don't get enough exercise, but they either aren't having as much sex or are wiser about birth control, and aren't as violent as commonly perceived.

Marie

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On Saturday, July 19, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>>And this is the kind of BS that I realized during my recent absence from
>>Words-L that life was much happier without.

> With all respect, Dr. Maynor - did you not omit a word above?

Dr. Maynor has left the building.

Karen

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On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>What happened with Merrill Lynch?  I had to delete a
>bunch of mail, and I guess I missed it.

Thank you for asking, Lynne. ML complied minimally about 24 hours early.
There are still <details> to be dealt with. My initial implulse a week or
so ago was to sell all the stocks and close all accounts. Taking the tax
loss would have seemed a rather small price to pay to get rid of ML. But
now that the transfer to the online account has finally been made (it took
only 2+ months), it will cost me less to get them out of my life. Now I
have to try to figure out how much it will cost me to transfer the stocks
online -

Bethany

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On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>And this is the kind of BS that I realized during my recent absence from
>Words-L that life was much happier without.

With all respect, Dr. Maynor - did you not omit a word above?

Bethany

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At 07:42 PM 7/18/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:

>I don't know why the Bushies chose Iraq, unless it was
>really for the rather lame excuse that the attackers
>on 9/11 were Arabic.

I think that it is a bit more than that.  When Hussein was driven out of
Kuwait, the senior Bush organized a broad coalition to do it.  It became
clear that the coalition would not support finishing Hussein off by driving
on to Baghdad.  My speculation is that Bush, j.g. probably was privy to
many "coulda, shoulda, woulda" conversations about Desert Storm.  He became
convinced that (1) Hussein was still as evil as ever (and to a fundy, evil
must be punished); (2) he would be continuing (and finishing) daddy's good
work; and (3) going after a relatively easy (militarily) target would be an
object lesson to others who might be inclined to express their dislike for
the USA in physical terms.  Others, including Mr. Blair, probably also see
a substantial strategic advantage of having a Western presence in the
middle of oil country (colonialism dies hard).

>Two years from now, who will remember the names of all
>those who have been killed, other than their families?

I rather suspect that, two years from now, we still will be reading daily
accounts of snipiings, bombings, and other guerilla activity there, and
still totting up our dead.

>But I don't believe in isolationism, either.

Nor I.  However, given the stated reasons for invading Iraq, the question
is:  Are we and the rest of the world more secure now than before the
invasion?  I doubt it.  It could well be that a couple of years down the
road, the Iraqis will conclude that they are better off, so perhaps it
hasn't been a complete waste.  I still wonder, though, what applying half
of the resources expended in Iraq might have accomplished toward
neutralizing Osama's network.

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At 07:54 AM 7/19/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Saturday, July 19, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> > On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >>And this is the kind of BS that I realized during my recent absence from
> >>Words-L that life was much happier without.
>
> > With all respect, Dr. Maynor - did you not omit a word above?
>
>Dr. Maynor has left the building.

:-(

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> Thank you for asking, Lynne. ML complied minimally about 24 hours
early.
> There are still <details> to be dealt with. My initial implulse a week
or
> so ago was to sell all the stocks and close all accounts. Taking the
tax
> loss would have seemed a rather small price to pay to get rid of ML.
But
> now that the transfer to the online account has finally been made (it
took
> only 2+ months), it will cost me less to get them out of my life. Now
I
> have to try to figure out how much it will cost me to transfer the
stocks
> online -
>
> Bethany

I recently transferred stock from a broker to an
online account.  It didn't cost anything.  Just
filled out some papers and it was done rather
quickly.  Now I can afford to sell some of those
dogs and cheaply replace them with better ones.
The broker didn't care, as he wasn't making much
off me anyway.



              - D. M.

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Here I am, brazenly ensconced in my/our future abode.

Flight was effortless, and pleasently one-third empty. John whisked me away
for prime rib upon my arrival.

Here we are, kicking around, having a fine Saturday morning. We plan to go
exploring this afternoon.

It cooled to 94 yesterday. Wednesday is supposed to hit 117.

I like it.

Amy

(Thanks, Betty!)

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From: "Amy Burns Short" <amyb_short@HOTMAIL.COM>
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> Here I am, brazenly ensconced in my/our future abode.
>
> Flight was effortless, and pleasently one-third empty. John whisked me
away
> for prime rib upon my arrival.
>
> Here we are, kicking around, having a fine Saturday morning. We plan
to go
> exploring this afternoon.
>
> It cooled to 94 yesterday. Wednesday is supposed to hit 117.
>
> I like it.
>
> Amy

Amy, you left out one thing.
You forgot to say "but there's no humidity"
or "but it's dry heat."

You must learn how to talk Arizonian.

                      - D. M.

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At 04:08 PM 7/19/2003 +0000, Amy Burns Short wrote:
>Here I am, brazenly ensconced in my/our future abode.

Is there going to be a lot of redecorating?

>Here we are, kicking around, having a fine Saturday morning. We plan to go
>exploring this afternoon.

Have fun!  We are going to go see this tonight.

http://www.centralworks.org/season_wyrd.html



>It cooled to 94 yesterday. Wednesday is supposed to hit 117.
>
>I like it.

Whew!  I just assume everything is air conditioned?


>Amy
>
>(Thanks, Betty!)

You're welcome!

Betty

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On Sat, 19 Jul 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

>I recently transferred stock from a broker to an
>online account.  It didn't cost anything.  Just
>filled out some papers and it was done rather
>quickly.  Now I can afford to sell some of those
>dogs and cheaply replace them with better ones.
>The broker didn't care, as he wasn't making much
>off me anyway.

Did you transfer from one firm to another firm? That's what I want to do
- without paying an ML arm and a leg. I don't want to replace the stocks -
I like my stocks - I just want to get them out of ML's clutches.

Bethany

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On Sat, 19 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>>And this is the kind of BS that I realized during my recent absence from
>>>Words-L that life was much happier without.
>
>> With all respect, Dr. Maynor - did you not omit a word above?
>
>Dr. Maynor has left the building.

In mid-thread, I see.

Bethany

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Betty:

At 04:08 PM 7/19/2003 +0000, Amy Burns Short wrote:
>Here I am, brazenly ensconced in my/our future abode.

>Is there going to be a lot of redecorating?

:). Uh, maybe some .... So far we have discussed window treatments, and we
both nix saltillo as a choice for floor treatment.

This afternoon includes a trip to Home Depot just to "look."

>Have fun!  We are going to go see this tonight.

>http://www.centralworks.org/season_wyrd.html

Nice costumes! Had me browsing for familiar faces!

>It cooled to 94 yesterday. Wednesday is supposed to hit 117.
>
>I like it.

>Whew!  I just assume everything is air conditioned?

Oh, yeah.

A "But It's a Dry Heat" S

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02003-07-19 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> >> With all respect, Dr. Maynor - did you not omit a word above?
> >
> >Dr. Maynor has left the building.
>
> In mid-thread, I see.

God! My life was so much happier without this BS!

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> i got my cell phone bill, and the thieves made a ton of calls
> on the phone before i had it cut off; so i'm sending a copy of
> the bill to the police in hopes that they can track the perps.
>
> Bad boys, bad boys,
> what you gonna do when they come for you!

Sad to read it all about the nasty matter, but as I see your reality
cheque didn't bounce -- this time it'd been better if it did. - So much
about abuse and reality.

Do you feel more or less safe? Are you rather angry or still frightened?

Kristin

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> Here I am, brazenly ensconced in my/our future abode.
>
> Flight was effortless, and pleasently one-third empty. John
> whisked me away
> for prime rib upon my arrival.
>
> Here we are, kicking around, having a fine Saturday morning. We plan to go
> exploring this afternoon.
>
> It cooled to 94 yesterday. Wednesday is supposed to hit 117.
>
> I like it.
>
> Amy
>
> (Thanks, Betty!)

How exciting for you!  The hottest I've been in was 110 (Phoenix)...and that
was when I arrived at 10pm. The next day was cooler, thank god.

I'll be going to Dallas sometime in August...I've never been in that kind of
heat or humidity. Lightweight cotton is the rule, I suppose.

I want to hear about the exploring...all moments of seredipity.

Sandra

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

>
> > That's like suggesting that people who do e-mail have no real life.
>
> I disagree.  E-mail is interactive -- it isn't passive.

Yebbut... one cannot "get pregnant" via e-mail. Not yet, I guess.

Kristin, having read only some first msgs of this thread by the very moment

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> From: Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM>
> > > > "(Reuters) - American children are fatter than ever before,
> > > > but they are far less violent and far less likely to get pregnant
> > > > than most people think . . . "
> > >
> > > > What the heck does this (infer) (imply) (mean)?
> > >
> > > Teen pregnancy and teen violence rates are down.
> > >
> > > Karen
> >
> > Because they're fat??
>
> It doesn't imply or mean that at all. If that's what they were
> saying they'd say "because" not "but". It implies that kids today
> eat too much and poorly and don't get enough exercise, but they
> either aren't having as much sex or are wiser about birth
> control, and aren't as violent as commonly perceived.
>
> Marie

Getting a girl pregnant requires at least a teaspoonful of social skills.
It's hard to acquire those when one spends nearly all their time in front of
a playstation, tv or pc.

Sandra

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Amy Burns Short wrote:

> >Here I am, brazenly ensconced in my/our future abode.

Glad for you, and fun to read this.

> >Is there going to be a lot of redecorating?
>
> :). Uh, maybe some .... So far we have discussed window treatments, and we
> both nix saltillo as a choice for floor treatment.

Of course I had to google for pictures to get to know about saltillo. The ones
I had a look at were nice. Very nice.

Kristin

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> 02003-07-19 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > Getting a girl pregnant requires at least a teaspoonful of
> social skills.
> > It's hard to acquire those when one spends nearly all their
> time in front
> > of a playstation, tv or pc.
>
> That's what they said about spending all one's time buried in a book.

LOL. Tooshay. (Unless one reads romances or heroic tales)

Sandra

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02003-07-19 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> Getting a girl pregnant requires at least a teaspoonful of social skills.
> It's hard to acquire those when one spends nearly all their time in front
> of a playstation, tv or pc.

That's what they said about spending all one's time buried in a book.

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Does it make any sense he'd off himself on a footpath? It seems unusual and
ubersuspect. Don't people usually do it somewhere really, really remote or
at home?

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/19/international/worldspecial/19BRIT.html?th

Sandra

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02003-07-19 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > 02003-07-19 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > > Getting a girl pregnant requires at least a teaspoonful of
> > social skills.
> > > It's hard to acquire those when one spends nearly all their
> > time in front
> > > of a playstation, tv or pc.
> >
> > That's what they said about spending all one's time buried in a book.
>
> LOL. Tooshay. (Unless one reads romances or heroic tales)

True ... I have noticed that romance readers have the
smoothest social skills ...

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> 02003-07-19 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > > 02003-07-19 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > > > Getting a girl pregnant requires at least a teaspoonful of
> > > social skills.
> > > > It's hard to acquire those when one spends nearly all their
> > > time in front
> > > > of a playstation, tv or pc.
> > >
> > > That's what they said about spending all one's time buried in a book.
> >
> > LOL. Tooshay. (Unless one reads romances or heroic tales)
>
> True ... I have noticed that romance readers have the
> smoothest social skills ...

You been taking *funny* pills again?

Sandra

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zombie pirate monkey wrote:

> <EVERYONE: stop reading now>
>
> Just hadda say it once in public.

I hope once you'll write more about it in public. So that we'll need not
to read it secretly :). It aroused my interest.

Kristin

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> On Sat, 19 Jul 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> >I recently transferred stock from a broker to an
> >online account.  It didn't cost anything.  Just
> >filled out some papers and it was done rather
> >quickly.  Now I can afford to sell some of those
> >dogs and cheaply replace them with better ones.
> >The broker didn't care, as he wasn't making much
> >off me anyway.
>
> Did you transfer from one firm to another firm? That's what I want to
do
> - without paying an ML arm and a leg. I don't want to replace the
stocks -
> I like my stocks - I just want to get them out of ML's clutches.
>
> Bethany

>From one hands-on broker to a run-my-own-online account.
I told him I was getting out of stocks and wanted to sell
them cheaply because I'd already lost so much.  As I said,
he said he didn't mind because his specialty was money
management and he doesn't like to do much trading of
individual stocks.  He is with a firm though, and they did
not charge me for transferring out.  I went with Scottrade
online, and there was no charge on that end either.

Then the market started up and I have kept most of the
stocks.  So glad to have them out of a broker's hands
and I can move in or out for $7 per trade.

               - D. M.

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> > Does it make any sense he'd off himself on a footpath? It seems
> unusual and
> > ubersuspect. Don't people usually do it somewhere really, really
> remote or
> > at home?
> >
> >
> http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/19/international/worldspecial/19BRI
> T.html?th
> >
> > Sandra
>
> Reminds me of Vince Foster.
>
>          - D. M.

Very much so; I'd been thinking the same thing. And I don't consider myself
to be a conspiracy-theory type 'o gal by a longshot.

Sandra

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> Does it make any sense he'd off himself on a footpath? It seems
unusual and
> ubersuspect. Don't people usually do it somewhere really, really
remote or
> at home?
>
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/19/international/worldspecial/19BRIT.html?th
>
> Sandra

Reminds me of Vince Foster.

         - D. M.

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Sandra, who evidently flunked bio:
>Getting a girl pregnant requires at
>least teaspoonful of social skills.

I thought it involved a similar volume
of jism.

>It's hard to acquire those when one
>spends nearly all their time in front
>of a playstation, tv or pc.

What if both the party of the first
and second part were in front of the
playstation, tv or pc?

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On Saturday, July 19, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>>>>And this is the kind of BS that I realized during my recent absence from
>>>>Words-L that life was much happier without.
>>
>>> With all respect, Dr. Maynor - did you not omit a word above?
>>
>>Dr. Maynor has left the building.

> In mid-thread, I see.

I'm pretty sure she was finished with the thread.

Karen

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On Sat, 19 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>> >> With all respect, Dr. Maynor - did you not omit a word above?
>> >
>> >Dr. Maynor has left the building.
>>
>> In mid-thread, I see.
>
>God! My life was so much happier without this BS!

But at least you did not omit the word "my."

Thank you!

Bethany

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On Sat, 19 Jul 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

>From one hands-on broker to a run-my-own-online account.
....
>stocks.  So glad to have them out of a broker's hands
>and I can move in or out for $7 per trade.

Good for you. Unfortuntely, ML will cost me more than that. I have two
online accounts, and I want to get the ML stocks in one of those as
inexpensively as possible. One of them costs me little or nothing (av.
of $1-$2 per non-realtime trade).

Bethany

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On Saturday, July 19, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>>> >> With all respect, Dr. Maynor - did you not omit a word above?
>>> >
>>> >Dr. Maynor has left the building.
>>>
>>> In mid-thread, I see.
>>
>>God! My life was so much happier without this BS!

> But at least you did not omit the word "my."

> Thank you!

Can you provide a cite for someone speaking about generic life without
meaning their own?

Karen

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> Sandra, who evidently flunked bio:
> >Getting a girl pregnant requires at
> >least teaspoonful of social skills.
>
> I thought it involved a similar volume
> of jism.
>
> >It's hard to acquire those when one
> >spends nearly all their time in front
> >of a playstation, tv or pc.
>
> What if both the party of the first
> and second part were in front of the
> playstation, tv or pc?

Whatever floats your boat.

Sandra

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On Saturday, July 19, 2003, sandra wrote:
>> Sandra, who evidently flunked bio:
>> >Getting a girl pregnant requires at
>> >least teaspoonful of social skills.
>>
>> I thought it involved a similar volume
>> of jism.
>>
>> >It's hard to acquire those when one
>> >spends nearly all their time in front
>> >of a playstation, tv or pc.
>>
>> What if both the party of the first
>> and second part were in front of the
>> playstation, tv or pc?

> Whatever floats your boat.

Is Tushar's boat small enough to be floated in a teaspoonful of jism?

Karen

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On Sat, 19 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>Can you provide a cite for someone speaking about generic life without
>meaning their own?

See Dr. Maynor (archives) - for all I know.

Can you provide a cite for someone speaking about generic life and
explicitly making it clear that they mean their own without using a
modifier like "my"?

Dr. Maynor's sentence was ambiguous.

Bethany

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02003-07-19 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> >> >> With all respect, Dr. Maynor - did you not omit a word above?
> >> >
> >> >Dr. Maynor has left the building.
> >>
> >> In mid-thread, I see.
> >
> >God! My life was so much happier without this BS!
>
> But at least you did not omit the word "my."
>
> Thank you!

Too late ... T Bone has left the building.

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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My eyes having been opened to the world of cable TV these
past few weeks, I've decided that my life will only be
complete if I can sit and watch a "Queer Eye for the
Straight Guy" marathon with Tushar.

--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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02003-07-19 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> My eyes having been opened to the world of cable TV these
> past few weeks, I've decided that my life will only be
> complete if I can sit and watch a "Queer Eye for the
> Straight Guy" marathon with Tushar.

Well post the schedule, dumbass. We will talk about it on this
service while watching it, until people unsubscribe in boredom.

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> 02003-07-19 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> > My eyes having been opened to the world of cable TV these
> > past few weeks, I've decided that my life will only be
> > complete if I can sit and watch a "Queer Eye for the
> > Straight Guy" marathon with Tushar.
>
> Well post the schedule, dumbass. We will talk about it on this
> service while watching it, until people unsubscribe in boredom.

Unfortunately I have unsubscribed to HBO . .
and now I wish I had it.  So if you talk about that
show at least I will get to hear about it.  Sounds
interesting.

                         - D. M.

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02003-07-19 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Can you provide a cite for someone speaking about generic life without
> meaning their own?

Don't talk to ME about generic life!

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In a message dated 7/19/2003 1:13:50 PM Central Daylight Time,
Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE writes:
<<
Do you feel more or less safe? Are you rather angry or still frightened?

>>

Definitely much less safe and still very much scared.  I couldn't enjoy
"Finding Nemo" today, and Kathie said that she wouldn't take a
small child to watch it.

Basically, I've been in auto mode for the past month:  I get up, go
to work, come home, read e-mail, watch TV, and go to bed. I
haven't been able to study as much as I would like.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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>
>Unfortunately I have unsubscribed to HBO . .
>and now I wish I had it.  So if you talk about that
>show at least I will get to hear about it.  Sounds
>interesting.
>
>                          - D. M.

It's on Bravo here.

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> My eyes having been opened to the world of cable TV these
> past few weeks, I've decided that my life will only be
> complete if I can sit and watch a "Queer Eye for the
> Straight Guy" marathon with Tushar.
>
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman

I watched it on Tues and found it very entertaining...although I wasn't all
that impressed with what the fashion wore ... unshaped jacket, etc. He was
funny, though.

I did that rolling over of the pants waistband thing the other day, but it
hitched up my pants too high. Made life a little snug around the butt.

Sandra

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 7/19/2003 1:13:50 PM Central Daylight Time,
> Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE writes:
> <<
> Do you feel more or less safe? Are you rather angry or still frightened?
>
>
>
> Definitely much less safe and still very much scared.  I couldn't enjoy
> "Finding Nemo" today, and Kathie said that she wouldn't take a
> small child to watch it.


        I would.  I did!



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> >Unfortunately I have unsubscribed to HBO . .
> >and now I wish I had it.  So if you talk about that
> >show at least I will get to hear about it.  Sounds
> >interesting.
> >
> >                          - D. M.
>
> It's on Bravo here.

Betty's right (duh!). It's a BRAVO show. On Tues at 10pm and maybe it on in
other timeslots, too. I dunno.

Sandra, your TV Guide

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-07-19 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>My eyes having been opened to the world of cable TV these
>>past few weeks, I've decided that my life will only be
>>complete if I can sit and watch a "Queer Eye for the
>>Straight Guy" marathon with Tushar.
>>
>
> Well post the schedule, dumbass. We will talk about it on this
> service while watching it, until people unsubscribe in boredom.


        My precious re-fried bean, I am now home, alas, and cable-free.



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> Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 7/19/2003 1:13:50 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE writes:
> > <<
> > Do you feel more or less safe? Are you rather angry or still frightened?
> >
> >
> >
> > Definitely much less safe and still very much scared.  I couldn't enjoy
> > "Finding Nemo" today, and Kathie said that she wouldn't take a
> > small child to watch it.
>
>
>         I would.  I did!
 Rita Rouvalis Chapman


I loved it.

Sandra (who got her movie gene from her parents. my dad told me he and my
mom have seen four movies in the last four days)

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sandra wrote:

>>My eyes having been opened to the world of cable TV these
>>past few weeks, I've decided that my life will only be
>>complete if I can sit and watch a "Queer Eye for the
>>Straight Guy" marathon with Tushar.
>>
>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>
>
> I watched it on Tues and found it very entertaining...although I wasn't all
> that impressed with what the fashion wore ... unshaped jacket, etc. He was
> funny, though.


        The straight guy did look a lot cuter when they were done
with him, though.


> I did that rolling over of the pants waistband thing the other day, but it
> hitched up my pants too high. Made life a little snug around the butt.


        I don't think I have a pair of pants with a high enough rise
on 'em these days to get away with that.




--
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 It seems unusual and
> ubersuspect. Don't people usually do it somewhere
> really, really remote or
> at home?
>
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/19/international/worldspecial/19BRIT.html?th
>
> Sandra

Vince Foster didn't hide himself too well, if we are
to believe all we hear, and in general, believing all
would be a tremendous mistake, I think.


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A 30-minute version will be on Thursday at 9:30 EDT.

Evelyn Duncan
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Pacific Time....it's on now...on Bravo.

Sandra

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> Definitely much less safe and still very much
> scared.  I couldn't enjoy
> "Finding Nemo" today, and Kathie said that she
> wouldn't take a
> small child to watch it.
>
> Basically, I've been in auto mode for the past
> month:  I get up, go
> to work, come home, read e-mail, watch TV, and go to
> bed. I
> haven't been able to study as much as I would like.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com

> My reality check bounced.

Evelyn,

At one point you spoke about the possibility that you
and your mother might move.  I guess you haven't.
What changed your minds?


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>
>Betty's right (duh!). It's a BRAVO show. On Tues at 10pm and maybe it on in
>other timeslots, too. I dunno.
>
>Sandra, your TV Guide

Yes, I had to tape it for someone who doesn't have cable and it's on
several times a week at different times.

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Natalie,

Did you get your "pod" movie today?  Right now there
is a movie on Sci-Fi that features an alien pod of
some ilk.

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>
> Pacific Time....it's on now...on Bravo.
>
> Sandra

As an add-on...I think the self-named Fab 5 who "straighten" out the
disheveled straight men on this show, will forever be praised for helping to
teach men how to take care of themselves, better. I can't tell you how many
straight men's places I've been to that were downright scary. At least one
time, I barely made it out of one guy's parking lot before I was on the
phone with a gal pal, hyperventilating and piecemeal relating to her how
scary jampacked, cluttered, chaotic his place was.

Of course, there are plenty of straight guys who have it all together...and
soon, most of us girls won't just assume those men are gay. A straight guy
who grooms himself well, cooks, and has a nicely put together place to live
.... is something to celebrate. It's hardly all their fault. They probably
had moms not unlike mine...I was taught the domestic chores (and not even
many of those) and my brother took out the garbage. My dad never cooked. The
one time he did, was when my mom had major surgery and we ate Joe Special (a
SF dish comprised of spinach, ground beef, onion & egg) every night for a
week and I don't think my hair was combed at all. Then again, my mom didn't
have a mom (after age 11) and I guess she didn't have much to pass on.

Sandra

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02003-07-19 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-07-19 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >
> >>My eyes having been opened to the world of cable TV these
> >>past few weeks, I've decided that my life will only be
> >>complete if I can sit and watch a "Queer Eye for the
> >>Straight Guy" marathon with Tushar.
> >
> >
> >Well post the schedule, dumbass. We will talk about it on this
> >service while watching it, until people unsubscribe in boredom.
>
> My precious re-fried bean, I am now home, alas, and cable-free.

I didn't expect much more, ice queen ... Hey so I am moving pretty
soon, so I have to make some decisions again--should I get cable?
What cable should I get?

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02003-07-19 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > My eyes having been opened to the world of cable TV these
> > past few weeks, I've decided that my life will only be
> > complete if I can sit and watch a "Queer Eye for the
> > Straight Guy" marathon with Tushar.
>
> I watched it on Tues and found it very entertaining...although I wasn't all
> that impressed with what the fashion wore ... unshaped jacket, etc. He was
> funny, though.

So--a straight guy goes on this show and gets his ass dressed
by a bunch of gays? Am I right?

No doubt the straight guy is always the extreme of no-class
drab apparel while all the "queer"s are more spectacular than
an Indian chief ...

> I did that rolling over of the pants waistband thing the other day, but it
> hitched up my pants too high. Made life a little snug around the butt.

Flaunt it baby

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02003-07-19 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> soon, most of us girls won't just assume those men are gay. A straight guy
> who grooms himself well, cooks, and has a nicely put together place to live
> .... is something to celebrate.

Sounds like a disaster to me.

Once again I ask "Sandra" to question what "Sandra" instictively
wants to celebrate ...

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> >Have fun!  We are going to go see this tonight.
>
> >http://www.centralworks.org/season_wyrd.html

I saw that and thought of this:

http://www.mts.net/~wyrds1/

(I have one of their albums, _Inside the Dreaming_ I think)

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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In a message dated 7/19/2003 8:36:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
At one point you spoke about the possibility that you
and your mother might move.  I guess you haven't.
What changed your minds?

>>

Mom's health and the costs involved in moving.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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> 02003-07-19 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > soon, most of us girls won't just assume those men are gay. A
> straight guy
> > who grooms himself well, cooks, and has a nicely put together
> place to live
> > .... is something to celebrate.
>
> Sounds like a disaster to me.
>
> Once again I ask "Sandra" to question what "Sandra" instictively
> wants to celebrate ...

Sweetie, I just don't need another guy who's looking for a mom to take care
of him. And I refuse to be a nag. I was once told by a guy after I mentioned
something (for the third time in as many weeks) that needed to be done (he'd
offered to do it originally), "Sandra, if you want me to do something....as
soon as I come in, say "X, don't sit down or do ANYTHING until you take care
of *whatever*!"  I told him a woman has a couple of choices when a man
doesn't do the thing he's agreed to do....we can become nags (like what he
seemed to be encouraging me to do)...or we can just do it ourselves. I'm the
latter sort. I don't want to be someone's mother, and no one will turn me
into a nag. I don't like how it makes me feel. And I don't like having to
trail after people....picking up after them.

Sandra

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> > 02003-07-19 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> > > My eyes having been opened to the world of cable TV these
> > > past few weeks, I've decided that my life will only be
> > > complete if I can sit and watch a "Queer Eye for the
> > > Straight Guy" marathon with Tushar.
> >
> > Well post the schedule, dumbass. We will talk about it on this
> > service while watching it, until people unsubscribe in boredom.
>
> Unfortunately I have unsubscribed to HBO . .
> and now I wish I had it.  So if you talk about that
> show at least I will get to hear about it.  Sounds
> interesting.
>
>                          - D. M.

It's on Bravo.

I'm watching it now, and it's amusing.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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From: "Adam Hartfield" <adamh1@comcast.net>
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> "Finding Nemo" today, and Kathie said that she wouldn't take a

Kathie's back in your life? Glad to hear it.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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In a message dated 7/19/2003 9:42:37 PM Central Daylight Time,
adamh1@COMCAST.NET writes:
<<
Kathie's back in your life? Glad to hear it.

>>

Yes.  I'm glad, too.  She didn't say anything about why she stopped
seeing us, and I didn't ask.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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>
> > > 02003-07-19 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> > > > My eyes having been opened to the world of cable TV these
> > > > past few weeks, I've decided that my life will only be
> > > > complete if I can sit and watch a "Queer Eye for the
> > > > Straight Guy" marathon with Tushar.
> > >
> > > Well post the schedule, dumbass. We will talk about it on this
> > > service while watching it, until people unsubscribe in boredom.
> >
> > Unfortunately I have unsubscribed to HBO . .
> > and now I wish I had it.  So if you talk about that
> > show at least I will get to hear about it.  Sounds
> > interesting.
> >
> >                          - D. M.
>
> It's on Bravo.
>
> I'm watching it now, and it's amusing.
>
> --Adam

What I like best, is how much the straight guys seem to enjoy getting dolled
up. And how much of a revelation it seems to be that they could live a live
without squalor. They seem delighted and dazzled. And they're straight! It's
the best of all worlds :)  I like how open minded they appear to be.

Sandra

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> > "Finding Nemo" today, and Kathie said that she wouldn't take a
>
> Kathie's back in your life? Glad to hear it.
>
> --Adam


Adam, you are such a good listener!!!  Nice catch.

Sandra

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> > > > 02003-07-19 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> > > > > My eyes having been opened to the world of cable TV these
> > > > > past few weeks, I've decided that my life will only be
> > > > > complete if I can sit and watch a "Queer Eye for the
> > > > > Straight Guy" marathon with Tushar.
> > > >
> > > > Well post the schedule, dumbass. We will talk about it on this
> > > > service while watching it, until people unsubscribe in boredom.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately I have unsubscribed to HBO . .
> > > and now I wish I had it.  So if you talk about that
> > > show at least I will get to hear about it.  Sounds
> > > interesting.
> > >
> > >                          - D. M.
> >
> > It's on Bravo.
> >
> > I'm watching it now, and it's amusing.
> >
> > --Adam
>
> What I like best, is how much the straight guys seem to enjoy
> getting dolled
> up. And how much of a revelation it seems to be that they could
> live a live
> without squalor. They seem delighted and dazzled. And they're
> straight! It's
> the best of all worlds :)  I like how open minded they appear to be.
>
> Sandra

I predict a very noticeable increase in the sales of men's cosmetics.

Sandra

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> Mom's health and the costs involved in moving.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> My reality check bounced.

I regard moving as one of the most unsavory adventures
in life - of course, depending on whether or not you
want to go in the first place.  By the time you
coordinate utilities, telephone, mail, etc., it can be
terribly expensive, even for a short distance.  The
misery is hardly worth it sometimes.


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> Sweetie, I just don't need another guy who's looking
> for a mom to take care
> of him. And I refuse to be a nag. I was once told by
> a guy after I mentioned
> something (for the third time in as many weeks) that
> needed to be done (he'd
> offered to do it originally), "Sandra, if you want
> me to do something....as
> soon as I come in, say "X, don't sit down or do
> ANYTHING until you take care
> of *whatever*!"  I told him a woman has a couple of
> choices when a man
> doesn't do the thing he's agreed to do....we can
> become nags (like what he
> seemed to be encouraging me to do)...or we can just
> do it ourselves. I'm the
> latter sort. I don't want to be someone's mother,
> and no one will turn me
> into a nag. I don't like how it makes me feel. And I
> don't like having to
> trail after people....picking up after them.
>
> Sandra

The distaff contingent applauds you warmly.


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In a message dated 7/19/2003 9:48:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
> By the time you
> coordinate utilities, telephone, mail, etc., it can be
> terribly expensive, even for a short distance.  The
> misery is hardly worth it sometimes.
>
>>

Yes, and it would have been too much for a move to
a different apartment in the same complex.  If I ever
won the PCH sweepstakes, we would have the
ability to move to a better place.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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02003-07-19 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> Adam, you are such a good listener!!!

No way, he's straight ...

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02003-07-19 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > > soon, most of us girls won't just assume those men are gay. A straight
> > > guy who grooms himself well, cooks, and has a nicely put together
> > > place to live .... is something to celebrate.
> >
> > Sounds like a disaster to me.
> >
> > Once again I ask "Sandra" to question what "Sandra" instictively
> > wants to celebrate ...
>
> Sweetie, I just don't need another guy who's looking for a mom to take care
> of him. And I refuse to be a nag. I was once told by a guy after I mentioned
> something (for the third time in as many weeks) that needed to be done (he'd
> offered to do it originally), "Sandra, if you want me to do something....as
> soon as I come in, say "X, don't sit down or do ANYTHING until you take care
> of *whatever*!"  I told him a woman has a couple of choices when a man
> doesn't do the thing he's agreed to do....we can become nags (like what he
> seemed to be encouraging me to do)...or we can just do it ourselves. I'm the
> latter sort. I don't want to be someone's mother, and no one will turn me
> into a nag. I don't like how it makes me feel. And I don't like having to
> trail after people....picking up after them.

Dude ... going by two of the three things you mentioned--are you
speaking in terms *grooming* a guy etc? I don't even understand
what that means. And what kind of place is "unlivable" when
somebody is living in it?

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02003-07-19 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > What I like best, is how much the straight guys seem to enjoy getting
> > dolled up. And how much of a revelation it seems to be that they
> > could live a live without squalor. They seem delighted and dazzled.
> > And they're straight! It's the best of all worlds :)  I like how open
> > minded they appear to be.
>
> I predict a very noticeable increase in the sales of men's cosmetics.

Madam, that is a nonsense. These guys "enjoying" getting "dolled up",
and (doubtless) insisting on total thoroughness, is an expression of...
what wish? You figure it out.

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> Yes, and it would have been too much for a move to
> a different apartment in the same complex.  If I
> ever
> won the PCH sweepstakes, we would have the
> ability to move to a better place.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> My reality check bounced.

Wish we could nudge the Prize Patrol in your
direction.


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 > Dude ... going by two of the three things you
> mentioned--are you
> speaking in terms *grooming* a guy etc? I don't even
> understand
> what that means. And what kind of place is
> "unlivable" when
> somebody is living in it?

The kind in which Nobody should Have to live.


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On Saturday, July 19, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> Can you provide a cite for someone speaking about generic life and
> explicitly making it clear that they mean their own without using a
> modifier like "my"?

Any time someone says "Life is good", they pretty much mean "My life
is good."

Karen

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In a message dated 7/19/2003 10:10:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Wish we could nudge the Prize Patrol in your
direction.

>>

When I was on Prozac, I entered every PCH and American
Family Publisher contest I could find.  I didn't win a
thing.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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On Saturday, July 19, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> Natalie,

> Did you get your "pod" movie today?  Right now there
> is a movie on Sci-Fi that features an alien pod of
> some ilk.

Natalie unsubbed Saturday night.

Karen

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> 02003-07-19 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > > > soon, most of us girls won't just assume those men are gay.
> A straight
> > > > guy who grooms himself well, cooks, and has a nicely put together
> > > > place to live .... is something to celebrate.
> > >
> > > Sounds like a disaster to me.
> > >
> > > Once again I ask "Sandra" to question what "Sandra" instictively
> > > wants to celebrate ...
> >
> > Sweetie, I just don't need another guy who's looking for a mom
> to take care
> > of him. And I refuse to be a nag. I was once told by a guy
> after I mentioned
> > something (for the third time in as many weeks) that needed to
> be done (he'd
> > offered to do it originally), "Sandra, if you want me to do
> something....as
> > soon as I come in, say "X, don't sit down or do ANYTHING until
> you take care
> > of *whatever*!"  I told him a woman has a couple of choices when a man
> > doesn't do the thing he's agreed to do....we can become nags
> (like what he
> > seemed to be encouraging me to do)...or we can just do it
> ourselves. I'm the
> > latter sort. I don't want to be someone's mother, and no one
> will turn me
> > into a nag. I don't like how it makes me feel. And I don't like
> having to
> > trail after people....picking up after them.
>
> Dude ... going by two of the three things you mentioned--are you
> speaking in terms *grooming* a guy etc? I don't even understand
> what that means. And what kind of place is "unlivable" when
> somebody is living in it?

Pumpkin, maybe we should send the Fab 5 your way.

Sandra

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> 02003-07-19 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > > What I like best, is how much the straight guys seem to enjoy getting
> > > dolled up. And how much of a revelation it seems to be that they
> > > could live a live without squalor. They seem delighted and dazzled.
> > > And they're straight! It's the best of all worlds :)  I like how open
> > > minded they appear to be.
> >
> > I predict a very noticeable increase in the sales of men's cosmetics.
>
> Madam, that is a nonsense. These guys "enjoying" getting "dolled up",
> and (doubtless) insisting on total thoroughness, is an expression of...
> what wish? You figure it out.

First...watch the show. Then, speak.

No one's trying to turn a guy into a boi or a girl. They're still very
straight in appearance and so forth.

Sandra

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On Saturday, July 19, 2003, sandra wrote:
> Of course, there are plenty of straight guys who have it all together...and
> soon, most of us girls won't just assume those men are gay.

LOL. This is a way stupid assumption.

Karen

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> On Saturday, July 19, 2003, sandra wrote:
> > Of course, there are plenty of straight guys who have it all
> together...and
> > soon, most of us girls won't just assume those men are gay.
>
> LOL. This is a way stupid assumption.
>
> Karen

Well, in SF, we'd be at least half right.

Sandra

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On Saturday, July 19, 2003, sandra wrote:
>> On Saturday, July 19, 2003, sandra wrote:
>> > Of course, there are plenty of straight guys who have it all
>> together...and
>> > soon, most of us girls won't just assume those men are gay.
>>
>> LOL. This is a way stupid assumption.
>>
>> Karen

> Well, in SF, we'd be at least half right.

Maybe. But I worry about your imagination.

Karen

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> When I was on Prozac, I entered every PCH and
> American
> Family Publisher contest I could find.  I didn't win
> a
> thing.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> My reality check bounced.

I wonder who does win those things and if the
sweepstakes sponsors are ever challenged on it?  I
know you can send an SASE that's supposed to enable
you to find out, but how many people do that?

Still, I guess that end of the rainbow sort of thing
isn't all bad.


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A great city forced to eat crow Census Bureau decides we now live in the San
Jose metro area (SF Chronicle article on alteration in Census Bureau
classification)

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/07/18
/MN274269.DTL

Wow.... a great city is diminished...

Sandra

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> Natalie unsubbed Saturday night.
>
> Karen

KK, thanks.


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On Saturday, July 19, 2003, S Hess wrote:
> A great city forced to eat crow Census Bureau decides we now live in the San
> Jose metro area (SF Chronicle article on alteration in Census Bureau
> classification)

This has been very slow in coming.

Karen

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On Saturday, July 19, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> Natalie unsubbed Saturday night.
>>
>> Karen

> KK, thanks.

Please don't call me KK. Thank you.

Karen

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> On Saturday, July 19, 2003, sandra wrote:
> >> On Saturday, July 19, 2003, sandra wrote:
> >> > Of course, there are plenty of straight guys who have it all
> >> together...and
> >> > soon, most of us girls won't just assume those men are gay.
> >>
> >> LOL. This is a way stupid assumption.
> >>
> >> Karen
>
> > Well, in SF, we'd be at least half right.
>
> Maybe. But I worry about your imagination.
>
> Karen

Yes, well imagine my horror when the beginning of FLAWLESS was on my TV last
night (I was on the phone chatting with a friend) and Phillip Seymour
Hoffman (portraying a drag queen) is painting on the very same nail polish
color I had just applied to mine own fingers AND in the background s/he has
the same beaded curtains in his doorway as I do...

On the other hand, I don't have any glitter eye shadow in my cosmetic
collection.

Sandra

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> On Saturday, July 19, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> >> Natalie unsubbed Saturday night.
> >>
> >> Karen
>
> > KK, thanks.
>
> Please don't call me KK. Thank you.
>
> Karen

OK

Sch.

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> Please don't call me K. Thank you.
>
> Karen

Actually, that was a typo.  Intended OK.  It's still
better than KKK.


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> Yes, well imagine my horror when the beginning of
> FLAWLESS was on my TV last
> night (I was on the phone chatting with a friend)
> and Phillip Seymour
> Hoffman (portraying a drag queen) is painting on the
> very same nail polish
> color I had just applied to mine own fingers AND in
> the background s/he has
> the same beaded curtains in his doorway as I do...
>
> On the other hand, I don't have any glitter eye
> shadow in my cosmetic
> collection.

K*R*N may tell you that is an omission you must
remedy.
>
> Sandra


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On Saturday, July 19, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> Yes, well imagine my horror when the beginning of
>> FLAWLESS was on my TV last
>> night (I was on the phone chatting with a friend)
>> and Phillip Seymour
>> Hoffman (portraying a drag queen) is painting on the
>> very same nail polish
>> color I had just applied to mine own fingers AND in
>> the background s/he has
>> the same beaded curtains in his doorway as I do...
>>
>> On the other hand, I don't have any glitter eye
>> shadow in my cosmetic
>> collection.

> K*R*N may tell you that is an omission you must
> remedy.

I think you need to learn the players a bit better before you start
speaking for us, Lynne.

Karen

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> I think you need to learn the players a bit better
> before you start
> speaking for us, Lynne.
>
> Karen

Yes, ma'am.


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At 10:29 PM 7/19/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > >Have fun!  We are going to go see this tonight.
> >
> > >http://www.centralworks.org/season_wyrd.html
>
>I saw that and thought of this:
>
>http://www.mts.net/~wyrds1/
>
>(I have one of their albums, _Inside the Dreaming_ I think)

The show was really good!

Betty

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At 7:05 PM -0700 7/19/03, Tushar Samant wrote:
>I didn't expect much more, ice queen ... Hey so I am moving pretty
>soon, so I have to make some decisions again--should I get cable?
>What cable should I get?

CAT-6, of course, unless you can afford fiber.

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At 7:47 PM -0700 7/19/03, sandra wrote:
>> > > > 02003-07-19 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>> > > > > My eyes having been opened to the world of cable TV these
>> > > > > past few weeks, I've decided that my life will only be
>> > > > > complete if I can sit and watch a "Queer Eye for the
>> > > > > Straight Guy" marathon with Tushar.
>> > > >
>> > > > Well post the schedule, dumbass. We will talk about it on this
>> > > > service while watching it, until people unsubscribe in boredom.
>> > >
>> > > Unfortunately I have unsubscribed to HBO . .
>> > > and now I wish I had it.  So if you talk about that
>> > > show at least I will get to hear about it.  Sounds
>> > > interesting.
>> > >
>> > >                          - D. M.
>> >
>> > It's on Bravo.
>> >
>> > I'm watching it now, and it's amusing.
>> >
>> > --Adam
>>
>> What I like best, is how much the straight guys seem to enjoy
>> getting dolled
>> up. And how much of a revelation it seems to be that they could
>> live a live
>> without squalor. They seem delighted and dazzled. And they're
>> straight! It's
>> the best of all worlds :)  I like how open minded they appear to be.
>>
>> Sandra
>
>I predict a very noticeable increase in the sales of men's cosmetics.
>
>Sandra

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On Sat, 19 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> Can you provide a cite for someone speaking about generic life and
>> explicitly making it clear that they mean their own without using a
>> modifier like "my"?
>
>Any time someone says "Life is good", they pretty much mean "My life
>is good."

Good response! I think you're right - except that I would substitute
"often" for "pretty much." I also think that context provides the clue -
in my experience a sentence like "life is good"is usually a response to a
query like "How are you?" or "How are things?" or "How are you doing?"
(But we still have no cites.)

Dr. Maynor's sentence sounded like a very abstract statement about
what is good in life in general - not in a particular person's life. The
distant context of her previous departure provided some info - but the
form of the sentence conflicted with that contextual information.

Her sentence is also one of the worst sentences I have ever read:

>And this is the kind of BS that I realized during my recent absence from
Words-L that life was much happier without.<

Bethany

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At 08:11 AM 7/20/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>On Sat, 19 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >> Can you provide a cite for someone speaking about generic life and
> >> explicitly making it clear that they mean their own without using a
> >> modifier like "my"?
> >
> >Any time someone says "Life is good", they pretty much mean "My life
> >is good."
>
>Good response! I think you're right - except that I would substitute
>"often" for "pretty much." I also think that context provides the clue -
>in my experience a sentence like "life is good"is usually a response to a
>query like "How are you?" or "How are things?" or "How are you doing?"
>(But we still have no cites.)
>
>Dr. Maynor's sentence sounded like a very abstract statement about
>what is good in life in general - not in a particular person's life. The
>distant context of her previous departure provided some info - but the
>form of the sentence conflicted with that contextual information.
>
>Her sentence is also one of the worst sentences I have ever read:
>
> >And this is the kind of BS that I realized during my recent absence from
>Words-L that life was much happier without.<

Well, I think that you don't know what you are talking about and MY life
would be much happier without your kind of BS.

Bless your heart and have a nice day.

B

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At 05:59 AM 7/20/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>At 08:11 AM 7/20/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>>
>>Her sentence is also one of the worst sentences I have ever read:
>>
>> >And this is the kind of BS that I realized during my recent absence from
>>Words-L that life was much happier without.<
>
>Well, I think that you don't know what you are talking about and MY life
>would be much happier without your kind of BS.

Now, THAT is one of the best sentences I have ever read.

cwv

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> At 08:11 AM 7/20/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> >On Sat, 19 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > >> Can you provide a cite for someone speaking about generic life and
> > >> explicitly making it clear that they mean their own without using a
> > >> modifier like "my"?
> > >
> > >Any time someone says "Life is good", they pretty much mean "My life
> > >is good."
> >
> >Good response! I think you're right - except that I would substitute
> >"often" for "pretty much." I also think that context provides the clue -
> >in my experience a sentence like "life is good"is usually a response to a
> >query like "How are you?" or "How are things?" or "How are you doing?"
> >(But we still have no cites.)
> >
> >Dr. Maynor's sentence sounded like a very abstract statement about
> >what is good in life in general - not in a particular person's life. The
> >distant context of her previous departure provided some info - but the
> >form of the sentence conflicted with that contextual information.
> >
> >Her sentence is also one of the worst sentences I have ever read:
> >
> > >And this is the kind of BS that I realized during my recent
> absence from
> >Words-L that life was much happier without.<
>
> Well, I think that you don't know what you are talking about and MY life
> would be much happier without your kind of BS.
>
> Bless your heart and have a nice day.
>
> B
Betty: Warrior Woman


Sandra

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On Sunday, July 20, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>>> Can you provide a cite for someone speaking about generic life and
>>> explicitly making it clear that they mean their own without using a
>>> modifier like "my"?
>>
>>Any time someone says "Life is good", they pretty much mean "My life
>>is good."

> Good response! I think you're right - except that I would substitute
> "often" for "pretty much."

I'd substitute 'always'.

Karen

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http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/GoodMorningAmerica/angels030719.html

"Guardian Angels?"


Karen

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02003-07-19 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > > > What I like best, is how much the straight guys seem to enjoy getting
> > > > dolled up. And how much of a revelation it seems to be that they
> > > > could live a live without squalor. They seem delighted and dazzled.
> > > > And they're straight! It's the best of all worlds :)  I like how open
> > > > minded they appear to be.
> > >
> > > I predict a very noticeable increase in the sales of men's cosmetics.
> >
> > Madam, that is a nonsense. These guys "enjoying" getting "dolled up",
> > and (doubtless) insisting on total thoroughness, is an expression of...
> > what wish? You figure it out.
>
> First...watch the show. Then, speak.
>
> No one's trying to turn a guy into a boi or a girl. They're still very
> straight in appearance and so forth.

That changes everything. Sorry I spoke before watching the show.
It's not enough to know that a concept has become banal enough
to trickle down to a cable show--gotta *watch the show* man...

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> http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/GoodMorningAmerica/angels030719.html
>
> "Guardian Angels?"
>
>
> Karen

Thank you.  Interesting.  I can't really see much in the
pictures, but it wouldn't prove anything even if I did.

                - D. M.

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On Sun, 20 Jul 2003, Betty wrote:

>Well, I think that you don't know what you are talking about and MY life
>would be much happier without your kind of BS.

That's what I really like - an explicit statement with supporting
details! Sheesh!

>Bless your heart and have a nice day.

And also to you!

Bethany

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Karen Kay:
= 11,132 pieces of e-mail.
=
= More later, after I catch up.
=
= Karen

What!  I feel cheated.  I've deleted some already, but I only
have about 1600!

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Karen Kay:
= So far, and I have to go out. You may say what you want, it will
= probably take me through the weekend to catch up. Only 3248 spam so
= far.
=
= Karen

Ah.  I didn't get those.  I didn't realize you were posting the
total, not just w-l.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-07-19 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>>02003-07-19 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>My eyes having been opened to the world of cable TV these
>>>>past few weeks, I've decided that my life will only be
>>>>complete if I can sit and watch a "Queer Eye for the
>>>>Straight Guy" marathon with Tushar.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Well post the schedule, dumbass. We will talk about it on this
>>>service while watching it, until people unsubscribe in boredom.
>>>
>>My precious re-fried bean, I am now home, alas, and cable-free.
>>
>
> I didn't expect much more, ice queen ... Hey so I am moving pretty
> soon, so I have to make some decisions again--should I get cable?
> What cable should I get?


        No, it only detracts from the attention you could be paying
to me.




--
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T-bone!  This is our date.

Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> A 30-minute version will be on Thursday at 9:30 EDT.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> My reality check bounced.
>
>


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> in my experience a sentence like "life is good"is usually a response to a
> query like "How are you?" or "How are things?" or "How are you doing?"
> (But we still have no cites.)

For data from this Service, go to the archives and do a string search for
'life is good'  (put the single quotes in).

I just looked at the first few, didn't compile any analysis; but that's
because I am pretty sure you'll find most of the examples are towards
(most, probably -at-) the end of posts freshly describing happy times.

I thought of doing this because I think Clyde does it a lot.
But the first two examples I found were from Neal and Phyllis.

Ann

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On Sunday, July 20, 2003, steph wrote:
> Karen Kay:
> = So far, and I have to go out. You may say what you want, it will
> = probably take me through the weekend to catch up. Only 3248 spam so
> = far.
> =
> = Karen

> Ah.  I didn't get those.  I didn't realize you were posting the
> total, not just w-l.

I never figured out how many unread Words-L e-mails I had.

Karen

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http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/topstories/story/0,4386,200410,00.html

Karen

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On Sunday, July 20, 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/topstories/story/0,4386,200410,00.html

"The special visa programme also means that US employers, who want to
apply for a work visa for Singaporeans, no longer have to prove that
the job cannot be performed by an American."

Karen

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02003-07-20 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/topstories/story/0,4386,200410,00.html

Are you against free trade?

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On Sunday, July 20, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-07-20 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/topstories/story/0,4386,200410,00.html

> Are you against free trade?

I'm against giving away American jobs to the likes of you.

Karen

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02003-07-20 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Sunday, July 20, 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> > http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/topstories/story/0,4386,200410,00.html
>
> "The special visa programme also means that US employers, who want to
> apply for a work visa for Singaporeans, no longer have to prove that
> the job cannot be performed by an American."

The rest of the story goes like this:

Some in the senate think this will take jobs away from Americans.
The response: "we are confident the agreement will be approved".

The "screw you, I am bigger" argument has trickled down ...

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02003-07-20 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Sunday, July 20, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-07-20 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/topstories/story/0,4386,200410,00.html
>
> > Are you against free trade?
>
> I'm against giving away American jobs to the likes of you.

Screw you, I am bigger then you.

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GPO Holds a Clearance Sale as It Closes Bookstores Because of Web's Growth

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8447-2003Jul17.html

Bethany

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>
http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/topstories/story/0,4386,200410,00.html
>
> Karen

So am I.

   - D. M.

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On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:45:18 -0700, Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> wrote:

>> Snopes has a few things to say about this; check
>> it out:
>>
>> http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/bambi.asp
>>
>> The apes on the PoE forums are equally skeptical,
>> especially the paintballers.
>
>The whole thing smacks of unreality, but supposing it
>were to be true, what better way to entice deviants
>out of their ivy-covered holes?  Uh oh, I thought a
>heard an impassioned cry of "entrapment."

Which deviants would those be?

There's been a lot of talk about this item on the BDSM lists, of course. The
general response has been a mass shrug; a few people expressed concern that
the women weren't wearing proper protective gear, but then subsequent
stories established that they were. So at that point it becomes simply a
consensual if rather arcane form of roleplay.

However, the current thinking is that the whole thing started with a couple
of videos, which drew such an enthusiastic response that someone started
publicizing "the real thing" to see if there was enough interest to get it
started. I'm betting there would/will be -- that's not that rare a fantasy,
either for "hunters" or "hunted."

Janet
(not back on the list, just reading the archives on a dull Sunday afternoon)

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On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 19:00:07 -0700, Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> wrote:

>> Bummer.  Worse than a cattle prod?
>>
>> Betty
>
>I would think so, yes.  How much experience do you
>have with cattle prods, and were they educational?

I've had a bit (what, you don't look surprised?), and, yes, very :/

However, the posts I read about the paintball thingy indicated that the
muzzle velocity of the guns had been turned way down in order to prevent
injuries.

Janet

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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Sunday, July 20, 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/topstories/story/0,4386,200410,00.html
>>
>
> "The special visa programme also means that US employers, who want to
> apply for a work visa for Singaporeans, no longer have to prove that
> the job cannot be performed by an American."


You seem surprised that politicians aren't worried about you.

All my investment portfolios are up this quarter.  YaY!
FWIW, Kevin has had a couple of job offers this month, so
things may be loosening up a little.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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the usual suspect:
> There's been a lot of talk about this
>item on the BDSM lists, of course.

Zzzzzz...  This is, like, so last week.

Just check snopes again.

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uh huh:
> > Are you against free trade?
> I'm against giving away American jobs to the likes of you.

Tushar's a Singaporean?


On a(n un)related note, I saw a news
item the other day that Singapore had
re-legalized the possession and sale
of chewing gum -- as a result of heavy
pressure from foreign gum manufacturers.

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02003-07-20 | Janet Hardy <verdie@EARTHLINK.NET> writes:
> >>
> >> http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/bambi.asp
>
> There's been a lot of talk about this item on the BDSM lists, of course.
> The general response has been a mass shrug; a few people expressed concern
> that the women weren't wearing proper protective gear, but then subsequent
> stories established that they were. So at that point it becomes simply a
> consensual if rather arcane form of roleplay.

Correctly stated, :Janet:. I didn't get it either when somebody
said "new low".

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My freakin' TV broke today!

02003-07-20 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> T-bone!  This is our date.
>
> Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> >A 30-minute version will be on Thursday at 9:30 EDT.

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02003-07-20 | zombie pirate monkey <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> uh huh:
> > > Are you against free trade?
> > I'm against giving away American jobs to the likes of you.
>
> Tushar's a Singaporean?

In my heart ...

The Singapore noodles that they sell here at "65"--that's the
ultimate fusion of curry and noodles man ...

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Make them end!

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Get a load of this journalese ... my brain hurts:

There's more than a touch of irony in the fact that as the city-sponsored
Taste of Chicago continues to grow bigger and more grandiose each year,
there's anecdotal evidence that many city residents have come to view it
as an event for tourists and suburbanites. Instead, many Chicagoans seem
to prefer spending their time at the more diverse and eclectic neighborhood
music festivals because it's precisely that variety and local color that
arguably imparts the real taste of Chicago.

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02003-07-20 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-07-19 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >>Tushar Samant wrote:
> >>>02003-07-19 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>My eyes having been opened to the world of cable TV these
> >>>>past few weeks, I've decided that my life will only be
> >>>>complete if I can sit and watch a "Queer Eye for the
> >>>>Straight Guy" marathon with Tushar.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>Well post the schedule, dumbass. We will talk about it on this
> >>>service while watching it, until people unsubscribe in boredom.
> >>>
> >>My precious re-fried bean, I am now home, alas, and cable-free.
> >>
> >
> >I didn't expect much more, ice queen ... Hey so I am moving pretty
> >soon, so I have to make some decisions again--should I get cable?
> >What cable should I get?
>
>
> No, it only detracts from the attention you could be paying to me.

I worry about your imagination. Anyhow, I am getting CAT-6, thanks
to Kenn Miller (who also points out that CAT 6 would be a great name
for a band).

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Speaking of journalese--it's amazing that some incredibly dumb
phrases invented about 100 years ago are still going on ... This
time my #1 candidate is "ill-conceived get-rich-quick schemes".
Say it some other way! How's about "lulled into a false sense
of security"--that one could be compressed to "lulled" because
there is no other kind of lulling anymore, thanks to this very
phrase! Then there's sifting through millions of records. Does
EVERY new unimpressive twist on creepy and buggy spook-software
have to "sift through millions of records"? By the way, remember
the word "siftware" for this? THAT coinage was a real winner.
While I am on the topic let me reiterate my opposition to
describing any further "punster" as "inveterate". The phrase
is not only dumb, it evokes the unpleasant picture of some
dumb guy way too pleased with himself for nothing.

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From: "Adam Hartfield" <adamh1@comcast.net>
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> CAT-6, of course, unless you can afford fiber.

Sigh.. I tried to get CAT-6 for our imminent building rewire at work...it
would have been only $2K more...but they were cheap and decided to limit us
to 5e.  Even that, though, will be a big step up from the Cat-3 the building
is wired with.

--Adam
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Last night, Gangs of New York.

Tonight, In the Bedroom.

           - D. M.

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> Tonight, In the Bedroom.
>
>            - D. M.

I hope you enjoy it more than I did.

--Adam
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----- Original Message -----
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> > Tonight, In the Bedroom.
> >
> >            - D. M.
>
> I hope you enjoy it more than I did.
>
> --Adam


Uh-oh.  That does not bode well.

            - D. M.

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> Correctly stated, :Janet:. I didn't get it either
> when somebody
> said "new low".

YOU said "new low".  You may have been quoting, the
fact remains, you said it.


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----- Original Message -----
From: sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM>
> > straight guy
> > > who grooms himself well, cooks, and has a nicely put together
> > place to live
> > > .... is something to celebrate.
> >
> > Sounds like a disaster to me.
> >
> > Once again I ask "Sandra" to question what "Sandra" instictively
> > wants to celebrate ...
>
> Sweetie, I just don't need another guy who's looking for a mom to
> take care
> of him. And I refuse to be a nag.

Actually, my husband grooms, well, cooks, is highly organized and likes a well put-together place. And he's a NAG. YaY!

Marie

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> While I am on the topic let me reiterate my
> opposition to
> describing any further "punster" as "inveterate".
> The phrase
> is not only dumb, it evokes the unpleasant picture
> of some
> dumb guy way too pleased with himself for nothing.

Almost as annoying as "incurable", "unabashed", or
"unrepentant".


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----- Original Message -----
From: Amy Burns Short <amyb_short@HOTMAIL.COM>
> >Is there going to be a lot of redecorating?
>
> :). Uh, maybe some .... So far we have discussed window
> treatments, and we
> both nix saltillo as a choice for floor treatment.
>
> This afternoon includes a trip to Home Depot just to "look."

So JMW doesn't have the Queer Eye?

Marie

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02003-07-20 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > While I am on the topic let me reiterate my opposition to
> > describing any further "punster" as "inveterate". The phrase
> > is not only dumb, it evokes the unpleasant picture of some
> > dumb guy way too pleased with himself for nothing.
>
> Almost as annoying as "incurable", "unabashed", or
> "unrepentant".

Hm! I don't find these annoying at all. But then, I am an
incurable romantic. (And I am off to eat some Indian food,
which, without exception, has bold, unabashed flavors.)

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02003-07-20 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > Correctly stated, :Janet:. I didn't get it either
> > when somebody
> > said "new low".
>
> YOU said "new low".  You may have been quoting, the
> fact remains, you said it.

I was quoting someone else. I may not have quoted exactly.
Who posted this first?

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02003-07-20 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> Actually, my husband grooms, well, cooks, is highly organized and likes a
> well put-together place. And he's a NAG. YaY!

There is a small typo in your last word. It should be: "GaY!"

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>
> Hm! I don't find these annoying at all. But then, I
> am an
> incurable romantic. (And I am off to eat some Indian
> food,
> which, without exception, has bold, unabashed
flavors.)

I had reference to their use only as modifiers for the
word "punster".  Who isn't an incurable romantic?
(Rhetorical only, you need not cite.)

Bon appetit!  I wish I knew more about Indian food,
but perhaps that joy lies ahead of me.


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On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:19:41 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
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>02003-07-20 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
>> > Correctly stated, :Janet:. I didn't get it either
>> > when somebody
>> > said "new low".
>>
>> YOU said "new low".  You may have been quoting, the
>> fact remains, you said it.
>
>I was quoting someone else. I may not have quoted exactly.
>Who posted this first?

I believe it was My Sweet Polenta.

Karen

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> I believe it was My Sweet Polenta.
>
> Karen

I believe you are correct.  Kiss Burl for me, I am
suitably "repentant".


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On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 19:41:12 -0700, Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
wrote:
>Kiss Burl for me, I am
>suitably "repentant".

Why do you keep telling me this?

Karen

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On Sunday, July 20, 2003, zombie pirate monkey wrote:
> uh huh:
>> > Are you against free trade?
>> I'm against giving away American jobs to the likes of you.

> Tushar's a Singaporean?

No, that's why I said 'the likes of you' rather than 'you'.

> On a(n un)related note, I saw a news
> item the other day that Singapore had
> re-legalized the possession and sale
> of chewing gum -- as a result of heavy
> pressure from foreign gum manufacturers.

Sure it's not part of the trade agreement?

Karen

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On Sunday, July 20, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> On Sunday, July 20, 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>>http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/topstories/story/0,4386,200410,00.html
>>>
>>
>> "The special visa programme also means that US employers, who want to
>> apply for a work visa for Singaporeans, no longer have to prove that
>> the job cannot be performed by an American."


> You seem surprised that politicians aren't worried about you.

Not me specifically.

> All my investment portfolios are up this quarter.  YaY!

You're lucky you still have one.

> FWIW, Kevin has had a couple of job offers this month, so
> things may be loosening up a little.

Uh-huh.

Karen

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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I avoided describing somebody as 'swarthy' the other day because as I was
about to say it, I thought maybe it is a bigoted old word like
'oriental' is now in many contexts.

What do you think?

Ann

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On Sunday, July 20, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> I avoided describing somebody as 'swarthy' the other day because as I was
> about to say it, I thought maybe it is a bigoted old word like
> 'oriental' is now in many contexts.

> What do you think?

I agree.

Karen

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--- Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> wrote:
> I avoided describing somebody as 'swarthy' the other
> day because as I was
> about to say it, I thought maybe it is a bigoted old
> word like
> 'oriental' is now in many contexts.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Ann

Just to cop out, I suppose it depends on the
disposition of the describee.


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> > What do you think?
>
> I agree.
>
> Karen

I don't know, I don't take umbrage at being described
as "fair skinned" or Caucasian.


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On Sunday, July 20, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> > What do you think?
>>
>> I agree.
>>
>> Karen

> I don't know, I don't take umbrage at being described
> as "fair skinned" or Caucasian.

That wasn't at all the question, though.

Karen

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> That wasn't at all the question, though.
>
> Karen

OK, technically or not, the question is, should the
word "swarthy" be used in the way Ann was describing?
I think it's a perfectly good word and I was trying to
draw a parallel.  I presume Ann will come to her own
conclusion, in the last analysis.


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On Sunday, July 20, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> That wasn't at all the question, though.
>>
>> Karen

> OK, technically or not, the question is, should the
> word "swarthy" be used in the way Ann was describing?

I thought the question was, is 'swarthy' a non-PC word. And I think
the only answer is yes.

> I think it's a perfectly good word and I was trying to
> draw a parallel.

But it's not parallel, because accusing someone of being white isn't
generally a bad thing.

Karen

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On Sunday, July 20, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karen Kay" <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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>>
> http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/topstories/story/0,4386,200410,00.html
>>
>> Karen

> So am I.

It's even worse--see
http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=3112066

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At 4:19 PM -0700 7/20/03, Tushar Samant wrote:
>I worry about your imagination. Anyhow, I am getting CAT-6, thanks
>to Kenn Miller (who also points out that CAT 6 would be a great name
>for a band).

Kenn C. Miller has changed his mind on this.  However, he is glad to have
been reminded of the fact that Ice-9 would be a great name for a rapper.
Or rather, it would be, were it not for the fact that there have already
been too many bands with that name.

Ken Miller
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> Make them end!

I can see you're a lot of fun to be with.

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>
> I avoided describing somebody as 'swarthy' the other day because as I was
> about to say it, I thought maybe it is a bigoted old word like
> 'oriental' is now in many contexts.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Ann

I'm replying to this w/o the benefit of reading the thread, FYI.

I think of a pirate as swarthy... dashing, daring, a tad unwashed (but who
cares!)...very, very masculine. I don't see anything bigoted about it.

Sandra

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02003-07-20 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > Make them end!
>
> I can see you're a lot of fun to be with.

No, you can't! You are just pretending like a bastard!

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On 20 Jul 2003 at 23:48, sandra wrote:

> I'm replying to this w/o the benefit of reading the thread, FYI.

Never mind reading the thread. Read the dictionary.

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Friday's arrived and gone, Steph and Patrick, too.

We had a very enjoyable evening with them: we had pizza (as a matter of
fact, they had salad, too) and a good ice cream.

We had quite a long walk through the center of Turin, too. It's quite
lovely by night, at least till you avoid some zones, which are, I'm afraid,
larger and larger.

We talked a lot about many subjects and I found them very interesting and
the funniest thing is, at the end of the evening, we didn't even need to
exchange e-mail addresses! ;->

Thank you for your visit, S.
Expect to find us at your door, one day or the other.

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At 11:11 PM 7/20/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:

>But it's not parallel, because accusing someone of being white isn't
>generally a bad thing.

Location, location, location.

cwv

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At 09:42 PM 7/20/2003 -1000, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
>On 20 Jul 2003 at 23:48, sandra wrote:
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> > I'm replying to this w/o the benefit of reading the thread, FYI.
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>Never mind reading the thread. Read the dictionary.

Dammit, mem, there you go again--injecting logic.

cwv

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On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 19:16:03 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
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>02003-07-19 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Can you provide a cite for someone speaking about generic life without
>> meaning their own?
>
>Don't talk to ME about generic life!

LOL!
I am too busy to be this amused - you caught me by surprise, Tushar!
clo

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> >But it's not parallel, because accusing someone of being white isn't
> >generally a bad thing.
>
> Location, location, location.

How dark a complexion does a swarthy person have? Is it a matter of
location, too?

So, is the discussion on whether a white person can be swarthy? S/he
could, historically, right?

Kristin

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sandra wrote:    (re: "Finding Nemo")

> I loved it.

    So did I.  Twice, so far.

JMW

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Have any of you read Leap of Faith by Queen Noor?

I was surprised to find our library  has only one
copy and it wasn't on a waiting list.  Found it
on the shelf.

                        - D. M.

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At 04:15 PM 7/21/2003 +0300, Kristin Sarv wrote:
>"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
>
> > >But it's not parallel, because accusing someone of being white isn't
> > >generally a bad thing.
> >
> > Location, location, location.
>
>How dark a complexion does a swarthy person have? Is it a matter of
>location, too?
>
>So, is the discussion on whether a white person can be swarthy? S/he
>could, historically, right?

What I meant was that whether or not accusing someone of being white is/is
not a bad thing probably depends on where one is in the world.

cwv

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> > > >But it's not parallel, because accusing someone of being white isn't
> > > >generally a bad thing.
> > >
> > > Location, location, location.
> >
> >How dark a complexion does a swarthy person have? Is it a matter of
> >location, too?
> >
> >So, is the discussion on whether a white person can be swarthy? S/he
> >could, historically, right?
>
> What I meant was that whether or not accusing someone of being white is/is
> not a bad thing probably depends on where one is in the world.

Yes, I understood that. What I asked about, or was just thinking about, was
that if swarthy is/was said about a person with a dark complexion, then the
complexion of a white person may be considered dark or fair depending on by
whom and where. Well, I my complexion is rather dark among Estonians (or it
used to be when I was younger). I've been told that French or Catalonians or
Italians would consider me fair and blonde. Nobody would say here fair about
my hair.

So, what I also meant was that historically, as much as I've understood, it
was rather a neutral word for describing how a person of one's own race or
ethnos looked like, was it?

Kristin

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> So, what I also meant was that historically, as much as I've understood, it
> was rather a neutral word for describing how a person of one's own race or
> ethnos looked like, was it?

I think of it as describing Caucasians or whatever white people are called
now.  Not Africans, Indians, Asians.

Ann

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On Sun, 20 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> draw a parallel.  I presume Ann will come to her own
> conclusion, in the last analysis.

No, my question is about whether, generally, it has crept into the
category of "if you use it people will think you're either slightly racist
or a hick."

To come to my own conclusion, I need to know what other people think!

Ann

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> > So, what I also meant was that historically, as much as I've understood, it
> > was rather a neutral word for describing how a person of one's own race or
> > ethnos looked like, was it?
>
> I think of it as describing Caucasians or whatever white people are called
> now.  Not Africans, Indians, Asians.

And -- if you wish to answer it: was the person you were about to describing as
swarthy (your initial message of this thread) a Caucasian?

Kristin

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On Sun, 20 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> Say it some other way! How's about "lulled into a false sense
> of security"--that one could be compressed to "lulled" because

Hey!  I just realized!  The 'lull' in 'lullabye' , that's the same lull!

Now I'm wondering, is the "swart" in "swarthy" related to schwartze in
Yiddish.

I bet it is.

Ann

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O.K. now that we are in the realm of what people "think", I feel more
comfortable responding.  The word swarthy, as I have heard it used, does
have some negative connotation.  Somebody mentioned pirates (I think)
and that is closest to what I think of when hearing the word...skin
darkened by long exposure to sun and wind related either to an
occupation (dock worker, pirate, construction worker, even pan-handler)
or a living arrangement (homeless).  Definitely caucasian.  Having been
raised in an unjustifiably snobbish neighborhood, I was programmed to
view all of these people as "lower class".  Now that I am happily
married to a construction worker I am deprogrammed.  The word swarthy,
however, does still sound negative to me.

Rita L.  (not sure what I would think if I had married a pirate)

Ann Borkin wrote:

>On Sun, 20 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>
>
>>draw a parallel.  I presume Ann will come to her own
>>conclusion, in the last analysis.
>>
>>
>
>No, my question is about whether, generally, it has crept into the
>category of "if you use it people will think you're either slightly racist
>or a hick."
>
>To come to my own conclusion, I need to know what other people think!
>
>Ann
>
>

--

Rita Leonard
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> No, that's why I said 'the likes of you' rather than 'you'.

The swarthy kind?

> Sure it's not part of the trade agreement?

You are right, it is part of it.

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On Mon, 21 Jul 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:

> And -- if you wish to answer it: was the person you were about to describing as
> swarthy (your initial message of this thread) a Caucasian?

Yes.

Ann

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Ann Borkin wrote:

>  Why not, indeed - why did I pick yiddish?  Beats
> me.

Can you speak yiddish, perhaps? For me it is rather a remote matter. Rather
few of the Jewish families here speak in their own language -- and I even do
not know, which one, then. Most speak Estonian or Russian, or both. I guess I
have never heard yiddish (or now, what is the option: hebrean? is there
another?) on a street.

Kristin

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Sun, 20 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > Say it some other way! How's about "lulled into a false sense
> > of security"--that one could be compressed to "lulled" because
>
> Hey!  I just realized!  The 'lull' in 'lullabye' , that's the same lull!
>
> Now I'm wondering, is the "swart" in "swarthy" related to schwartze in
> Yiddish.
>
> I bet it is.

Why not "schwartz" in German?

Kr.

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On Mon, 21 Jul 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:

> > Now I'm wondering, is the "swart" in "swarthy" related to schwartze in
> > Yiddish.
> >
> > I bet it is.
>
> Why not "schwartz" in German?

Yes of course, that too.  Why not, indeed - why did I pick yiddish?  Beats
me.

Ann

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At 05:40 PM 7/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, July 20, 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>>http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/topstories/story/0,4386,200410,00.html
>>
>>"The special visa programme also means that US employers, who want to
>>apply for a work visa for Singaporeans, no longer have to prove that
>>the job cannot be performed by an American."
>
>
>You seem surprised that politicians aren't worried about you.
>
>All my investment portfolios are up this quarter.  YaY!
>FWIW, Kevin has had a couple of job offers this month, so
>things may be loosening up a little.

I think things are loosening up. We've had a couple developers leave here
for what they hope are greener pastures. The, "I'm just lucky to have a
job" feeling is starting to lift at about the same pace as my mutual funds.

lisa

>--
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Ann Borkin wrote:

> Now I'm wondering, is the "swart" in "swarthy" related to schwartze in
> Yiddish.

In English, from: OE sweart, of Gmc origin. (OxfED).

Kr.

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> On 20 Jul 2003 at 23:48, sandra wrote:
>
> > I'm replying to this w/o the benefit of reading the thread, FYI.
>
> Never mind reading the thread. Read the dictionary.

Okee doke.

Sandra

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Can you speak yiddish, perhaps? For me it is rather a remote matter.

I keep thinking how to say it better. The latter statement sounds wrong and
strange. I just meant that I do not know much about the language, I also have no
acquaintances who speak it, and I think of yiddish as rarely as I may think of
any other language that I cannot speak or read, and know about their general
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Kristin

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On Monday, July 21, 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> Kristin Sarv wrote:

>> Can you speak yiddish, perhaps? For me it is rather a remote matter.

> I keep thinking how to say it better. The latter statement sounds wrong and
> strange. I just meant that I do not know much about the language, I also have no
> acquaintances who speak it, and I think of yiddish as rarely as I may think of
> any other language that I cannot speak or read, and know about their general
> features only.

I've never known anyone who could speak Yiddish. Many people, however,
know and use some Yiddish words. I use a fair number.

Karen

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My neighbor, an unemployed because he's
overqualified computer person, came over
this morning and installed the free Open Office
program.   Now I've got to cook up some
excuse to use it and try it out.

            - D. M.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I've never known anyone who could speak Yiddish. Many people, however,
> know and use some Yiddish words. I use a fair number.

I wonder whether other wordslers know families who speak it at home. I actually know
about one Jewish family in the US who once emigrated from here, in 70ies sometime. My
sister had a classmate from that family and she said they spoke "Jewish language" at
home. We were too young and ignorant at that time to wonder which "Jewish".

Kristin

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tushar Samant
>Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 7:01 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: I am speechless
>
>
>02003-07-20 | zombie pirate monkey <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
>> uh huh:
>> > > Are you against free trade?
>> > I'm against giving away American jobs to the likes of you.
>>
>> Tushar's a Singaporean?
>
>In my heart ...
>
>The Singapore noodles that they sell here at "65"--that's the
>ultimate fusion of curry and noodles man ...
>

You just like young boys from Singapore.



alec

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> O.K. now that we are in the realm of what people "think", I feel more
> comfortable responding.  The word swarthy, as I have heard it used, does
> have some negative connotation.  Somebody mentioned pirates (I think)
> and that is closest to what I think of when hearing the word...skin
> darkened by long exposure to sun and wind related either to an
> occupation (dock worker, pirate, construction worker, even pan-handler)
> or a living arrangement (homeless).  Definitely caucasian.  Having been
> raised in an unjustifiably snobbish neighborhood, I was programmed to
> view all of these people as "lower class".  Now that I am happily
> married to a construction worker I am deprogrammed.  The word swarthy,
> however, does still sound negative to me.
>
> Rita L.  (not sure what I would think if I had married a pirate)
>
> Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 20 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> >
> >
> >>draw a parallel.  I presume Ann will come to her own
> >>conclusion, in the last analysis.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >No, my question is about whether, generally, it has crept into the
> >category of "if you use it people will think you're either
> slightly racist
> >or a hick."
> >
> >To come to my own conclusion, I need to know what other people think!
> >
> >Ann

> Rita Leonard

Yes, I think of Clark Gable as a gun runner in GWTW as swarthy.

Sandra

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> On Monday, July 21, 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> >> Can you speak yiddish, perhaps? For me it is rather a remote matter.
>
> > I keep thinking how to say it better. The latter statement
> sounds wrong and
> > strange. I just meant that I do not know much about the
> language, I also have no
> > acquaintances who speak it, and I think of yiddish as rarely as
> I may think of
> > any other language that I cannot speak or read, and know about
> their general
> > features only.
>
> I've never known anyone who could speak Yiddish. Many people, however,
> know and use some Yiddish words. I use a fair number.
>
> Karen

My mom speaks some yiddish and passed along some words to my brother and me.
And she has an amazing collection of 78rpm records of yiddish comedy and
such from ages ago...left to her by a family friend. Her folks were from the
Ukraine and they were, duh, jewish. Yiddish cracks me up. She's giving me
the records as soon as she can put her hand on them. I plan to make sure the
Yiddish Radio Museum (whatever it's called) will have them or at least a
copy of the recording.

Sandra

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Subject: Amazon Text Search Capability
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Interesting....

>From today's NYTimes:

Amazon Plan Would Allow Searching Texts of Many Books
By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK
Amazon.com is negotiating with book publishers to assemble
a searchable online archive with the texts of thousands of
nonfiction books.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/21/technology/21AMAZ.html?th

Sandra

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>
> Yes, I think of Clark Gable as a gun runner in GWTW as swarthy.
>
> Sandra

I think of Errol Flynn and Douglas Fairbanks as both
swarthy and swashbuckling in most of their roles.
Weathered from outdoor adventures . . and swaggering/daring.

                  - D.M.

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----- Original Message -----
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> > Tonight, In the Bedroom.
> >
> >            - D. M.
>
> I hope you enjoy it more than I did.
>
> --Adam

It was deplorable.  How on earth it came up
with academy nominations is beyond me.

                - D. M.

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Oh yes!  I really enjoyed listening to some of this programming when it
was played on All Things Considered.  Great radio.

http://www.yiddishradioproject.org/

Rita L.

sandra wrote:

>I plan to make sure the
>Yiddish Radio Museum (whatever it's called) will have them or at least a
>copy of the recording.
>
>Sandra
>
>

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Kristin Sarv:
= Ann Borkin wrote:
=
= >  Why not, indeed - why did I pick yiddish?  Beats
= > me.
=
= Can you speak yiddish, perhaps? For me it is rather a remote matter. Rather
= few of the Jewish families here speak in their own language -- and I even do
= not know, which one, then. Most speak Estonian or Russian, or both. I guess I
= have never heard yiddish (or now, what is the option: hebrean? is there
= another?) on a street.
=
= Kristin

A short story:

In 1972, we took a family trip to France.  None of us speak any
French.  At some point Nana did the common language dance with
some woman in an antique shop and they both prattled off in
Yiddish (ah, what's the etym. of prattle...).  But neither of my
parents speak it.  Of my parent's generation, I don't know anyone
who does, but I don't know many of my parents friends, either.  I
have some phrases, and have reactivated more now that I have
Dutch floating in my head.

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steph wrote:

> In 1972, we took a family trip to France.  None of us speak any
> French.  At some point Nana did the common language dance with
> some woman in an antique shop and they both prattled off in
> Yiddish

I like moments like that.

> (ah, what's the etym. of prattle...).

Indeed. Is it the Dutch origin of it you mean here?

Kristin

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I heard it, too. And they did a local performance but I was unable to make
it. It's a lot of fun. Not dour or heavy. Rather zesty.

Sandra

> Oh yes!  I really enjoyed listening to some of this programming when it
> was played on All Things Considered.  Great radio.
>
> http://www.yiddishradioproject.org/
>
> Rita L.
>
> sandra wrote:
>
> >I plan to make sure the
> >Yiddish Radio Museum (whatever it's called) will have them or at least a
> >copy of the recording.
> >
> >Sandra
> >
> >
>
> --
>
> Rita Leonard
> Information Technology Systems Services
> O'Neill Library 544
> Phone:  617-552-3403
> Email: rita.leonard@bc.edu
>
> "Whether you believe you can do a thing
>  or not, you are right."  Henry Ford
>
>

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sandra wrote:

> I heard it, too. And they did a local performance but I was unable to make
> it. It's a lot of fun. Not dour or heavy. Rather zesty.
>
>
> > Oh yes!  I really enjoyed listening to some of this programming when it
> > was played on All Things Considered.  Great radio.
> >
> > http://www.yiddishradioproject.org/
> >
> > Rita L.

I'll leave it for tomorrow to listen to.
G'nite!

Kristin

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> Kristin Sarv:
> = Ann Borkin wrote:
> =
> = >  Why not, indeed - why did I pick yiddish?  Beats
> = > me.
> =
> = Can you speak yiddish, perhaps? For me it is rather a remote
> matter. Rather
> = few of the Jewish families here speak in their own language --
> and I even do
> = not know, which one, then. Most speak Estonian or Russian, or
> both. I guess I
> = have never heard yiddish (or now, what is the option: hebrean? is there
> = another?) on a street.
> =
> = Kristin
>
> A short story:
>
> In 1972, we took a family trip to France.  None of us speak any
> French.  At some point Nana did the common language dance with
> some woman in an antique shop and they both prattled off in
> Yiddish (ah, what's the etym. of prattle...).  But neither of my
> parents speak it.  Of my parent's generation, I don't know anyone
> who does, but I don't know many of my parents friends, either.  I
> have some phrases, and have reactivated more now that I have
> Dutch floating in my head.
>

A fun story :)

When my parents have travelled to Germany, she is able to communicate fairly
well by speaking the bits of yiddish she knows.

Tomorrow, for the first time in her life, my mother will get in a swimming
pool. I have always loved to swim and they have a pool right next to their
condo in Tiburon. She's never been although she bought a suit some 20 yrs
ago (or more). She pulled it out the other day to show me and I think this
is the time to get her in (w/o getting her hair wet....or I'd hear about
that for years). They say people with Alzheimers having a growing dislike
for water (avoiding showers, washing up, etc). Gratefully that's not an
issue yet. She grew up with very little exposure to outdoor activities and
was always afraid of anything outdoorsy, which would include swimming. I'm
excited about this and I get the feeling she realizes the time has come for
her to do this. It's on her list of stuff to do. Just like shooting a rifle
was on mine.

Sandra

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> So, is the discussion on whether a white person can
> be swarthy? S/he
> could, historically, right?
>
> Kristin

That's part of it, anyway, and my vote is, of course
S/he can.


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> To come to my own conclusion, I need to know what
> other people think!
>
> Ann

I still say it's a perfectly good word, and if it
implies any kind of "accusation", I have never been
aware of it.


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=
= I like moments like that.
=
= > (ah, what's the etym. of prattle...).
=
= Indeed. Is it the Dutch origin of it you mean here?
=
= Kristin

Yup.  Prattle just flew off my fingers and then I noticed that
it was startlingly close to the Dutch (and just commented on it
instead of looking it up myself).  Its funny to me because the
Dutch word praten always seemed so odd and yet there it was all
this time in my vocabulary already.

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>
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/21/technology/21AMAZ.html?th
>
> Sandra

Do you know if this would make Amazon comparable with
Google as a research resource?


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Lux:
= Friday's arrived and gone, Steph and Patrick, too.
=
= We had a very enjoyable evening with them: we had pizza (as a matter of
= fact, they had salad, too) and a good ice cream.
=

And now I know how to ask for the check in Italian and what
flavor Marron Glace gelato is.

= We had quite a long walk through the center of Turin, too. It's quite
= lovely by night, at least till you avoid some zones, which are, I'm afraid,
= larger and larger.

You managed to take us down the really nice shopping street,
which somehow we'd missed.  So I'm glad you knew where you were
going.  We were so twisted around at the end we would have never
found our way back.

=
= We talked a lot about many subjects and I found them very interesting and
= the funniest thing is, at the end of the evening, we didn't even need to
= exchange e-mail addresses! ;->
=
= Thank you for your visit, S.
= Expect to find us at your door, one day or the other.

You already warned me about inviting you again!

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> I think of Errol Flynn and Douglas Fairbanks as both
> swarthy and swashbuckling in most of their roles.
> Weathered from outdoor adventures . . and
> swaggering/daring.
>
>                   - D.M.
Or Ray Milland as a "Gypsy".  He was definitely
swarthy.


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On Monday, July 21, 2003, steph wrote:
> And now I know how to ask for the check in Italian and what
> flavor Marron Glace gelato is.

Chestnuts?

Sounds like a lovely time--I am gelous.:)

Karen

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/21/technology/21AMAZ.html?th
>
>>Sandra
>>
>
> Do you know if this would make Amazon comparable with
> Google as a research resource?


I've used Amazon this way already -- I've looked in their
sample pages for quotes -- one of my favorite plagiarism
weaponss.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Well, I've had my first day back at work after vacation, and I am
still relaxed, so it must have been a really good vacation.

Compared to our two other euroroadtrips, this one was pretty laid
back.  We started Saturday two weeks ago, drove to the middle of
France, and then the next day to Girona, Spain.  We spent two
nights in Girona and then three nights on La Rambla in Barcelona.
Then a day's driving to St. Paul de Vence, for another three
nights.  Then another day's driving (through the tunnel in
Monaco! vroom vroom) to San Gimignano where we stayed for three
nights in a place just outside of town between the vineyards and
the olive orchards.  Then a short day's drive up to Torino for
two nights, then on to Karlsruhe, Germany (a long drive where we
got stuck in a major traffic jam, 4 hours to go 40 km through the
Gottard tunnel), and then finally another short days drive home.

We did some one hour developing in Girona and the first roll of
film looks great.  Barcelona was hot and crazy.  I think we took
most of a roll of lousy tourist snapshots of La Sagrada Familia,
but balked at the EUR 8 entrance fee.

While in St. Paul we did the market Saturday morning in Nice, then
went to a wedding in the afternoon (both city hall and church),
and then the wedding dinner that night.  Besides the groom,
David, there were a few other former colleagues, so I got to catch
up with some people I hadn't seen in a while.  And we were
sitting with David's sister and her husband, and they just a few
weeks before had moved to Brussels so we had good dinner time
chatting.  I thought of Natalie and Villefranche sur mer, but
didn't make it there.

The next day we did laundry at a laundrymat in Nice and it was
nasty and disgusting and boring and I think the laundry was
dirtier than when we started.

San Gimignano was touristy but very pretty.  I should have some
great pictures with towers and shadows and arches and stuff.  The
classic postcard foto there didn't get taken because the cistern
was all under construction.  We also wandered around Volterra.
We went one day to take a day trip to Siena, but it was so
crowded we couldn't find a parking space, so after trying for
about an hour we said to hell with it and took off for Pisa.  In
Pisa I shot another roll of leaning towers and stuff (we'll see
if the silly shot of me pushing the tower over comes out), and
again we balked at the EUR 15 entrance price to climb the tower.
It was incredibly hot the whole trip, and we'd already been doing
the billy goat thing on city walls and just didn't want to
bother.

Torino was really nice.  The night we got there we went searching
for food and found this band setting up on a square in front of a
church.  We ended up having dinner at a restaurant down the
street just as they started playing.  And of course the next
night we hooked up with Lucia and Massimo and got taken to places
that locals know (there are a bazillion places to get gelato, and
we go to the one that does not have everything on display and has
this long line of people in front of a hole in a wall - you know
that *this* is the place to be).  We got the guy behind the desk
at the hotel to take a picture of us all together.  Since my
mobile phone decided to stop working we owe it to Natalie for
helping Lucia find me in my hotel: Words-L to the rescue!

Ah, but it is nice to sleep in my bed and shower in my bathroom
(and scoop the catbox).  And everyone at work was so glad to have
me back (and I was there from 8:30 until 7pm today, and it's
going to get worse).

Booty:
new kitchen glasses from a supermarket in Girona
shoes for steph from Barcelona
cookies and graph paper notebooks from a supermarket in France
necklaces for my nieces from San Gimignano
a marble egg for my nephew from San Gimignano
an alabaster lamp from Volterra
multiple bottles of chianti and Vernaccia di San Gimignano
multiple bottles of olive oil from Spain and Italy
a bag of dried porcini mushrooms
cookies from the supermarket in Italy
other supermarket goodies like honey candy, and pasta in shapes
we never see
an agenda with quotes in Italian for next year and another graph
paper notebook
one hell of a suntan

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Karen Kay:
= On Monday, July 21, 2003, steph wrote:
= > And now I know how to ask for the check in Italian and what
= > flavor Marron Glace gelato is.
=
= Chestnuts?

yes.  we got there through castanga (IT) = kastanje (NL)

=
= Sounds like a lovely time--I am gelous.:)
=
= Karen

we talked about that (being gelous) too!

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I forgot - one more micro notebook I got in Girona, where I wrote
down what all the pictures we took were and drew some really nice
wrought iron we saw.
The old woman in the store was so charmed with my Spanish she
told me about her operation!

That and speaking English, French, Spanish, Italian, German and
Dutch all within two weeks has completely warped me.

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>
>
> I've used Amazon this way already -- I've looked in
> their
> sample pages for quotes -- one of my favorite
> plagiarism
> weaponss.
>
>
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita

Thanks. I'll try it.
>
>


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On Monday, July 21, 2003, steph wrote:
> Karen Kay:
> = On Monday, July 21, 2003, steph wrote:
= >> And now I know how to ask for the check in Italian and what
= >> flavor Marron Glace gelato is.
> =
> = Chestnuts?

> yes.  we got there through castanga (IT) = kastanje (NL)

Oh. Well, marron is both French and Japanese.

> =
> = Sounds like a lovely time--I am gelous.:)
> =
> = Karen

> we talked about that (being gelous) too!

:)

Karen

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The right-to-die organization founded in 1980 announced Monday that it is
changing its name to End-of-Life Choices.

http://tinyurl.com/hmdo

Sandra

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Hey Kristin, does the name Lauri Aus mean
anything to you?

Hey Karen, gimme the inside Austin scoop.
Was Lance sandbagging it the past few days,
just to keep people interested?  Or was
today a real champion's performance?

--
not so big, not so mig

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02003-07-21 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > And -- if you wish to answer it: was the person you were about
> > to describing as swarthy (your initial message of this thread)
> > a Caucasian?
>
> Yes.

I'd say ditch the word. Swarthy Caucasians are criminals. See any
number of detective books.

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>
> I'd say ditch the word. Swarthy Caucasians are criminals. See any
> number of detective books.


No, no.  That's smarmy.

         - D. M.

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02003-07-21 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> At 09:42 PM 7/20/2003 -1000, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
> >On 20 Jul 2003 at 23:48, sandra wrote:
> >
> >> I'm replying to this w/o the benefit of reading the thread, FYI.
> >
> >Never mind reading the thread. Read the dictionary.
>
> Dammit, mem, there you go again--injecting logic.

Excuse me Dr Voigtlander, what's WITH this act, man? This is
the 1800th post with this tone. You should come to Chicago
and loosen up a bit.

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02003-07-21 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 19:16:03 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> wrote:
>
> >02003-07-19 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> Can you provide a cite for someone speaking about generic life without
> >> meaning their own?
> >
> >Don't talk to ME about generic life!
>
> LOL!
> I am too busy to be this amused - you caught me by surprise, Tushar!

Get back to work.

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02003-07-21 | "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> writes:
> >> > > Are you against free trade?
> >> > I'm against giving away American jobs to the likes of you.
> >>
> >> Tushar's a Singaporean?
> >
> >In my heart ...
> >
> >The Singapore noodles that they sell here at "65"--that's the
> >ultimate fusion of curry and noodles man ...
>
> You just like young boys from Singapore.

It all fades away when 5000 come to America every year ...

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On Monday, July 21, 2003, S Hess wrote:
> The right-to-die organization founded in 1980 announced Monday that it is
> changing its name to End-of-Life Choices.

Good.

Karen

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On Monday, July 21, 2003, zombie pirate monkey wrote:
> Hey Karen, gimme the inside Austin scoop.
> Was Lance sandbagging it the past few days,
> just to keep people interested?  Or was
> today a real champion's performance?

I don't know what you're talking about--I haven't seen any coverage of
the race today. I do know that Lance doesn't know how to sandbag it,
and that he is extremely competitive.

I have to say that the huge signs around town saying "Vive Lance!"
warm my cold little heart.

Karen

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On Monday, July 21, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-07-21 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
>> > And -- if you wish to answer it: was the person you were about
>> > to describing as swarthy (your initial message of this thread)
>> > a Caucasian?
>>
>> Yes.

> I'd say ditch the word. Swarthy Caucasians are criminals. See any
> number of detective books.

They are also wogs.

Karen

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On Monday, July 21, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Excuse me Dr Voigtlander, what's WITH this act, man? This is
> the 1800th post with this tone. You should come to Chicago
> and loosen up a bit.

You should have gone to Maine; he's quite loose.

Karen

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02003-07-21 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> Do you know if this would make Amazon comparable with
> Google as a research resource?

Not if they implement it as badly as their famed "web services
initiative". I've never seen a less programmer-friendly place.
Google's success is based entirely on their technical excellence;
with the Amazon of today, there's a chance you will get bombarded
with "BUY NOW" links. Sounds like a non sequitur? It's simply a
question of what gets top priority.

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02003-07-21 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Monday, July 21, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-07-21 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> >> > And -- if you wish to answer it: was the person you were about
> >> > to describing as swarthy (your initial message of this thread)
> >> > a Caucasian?
> >>
> >> Yes.
> >
> > I'd say ditch the word. Swarthy Caucasians are criminals. See any
> > number of detective books.
>
> They are also wogs.

Are you sure? I have never heard of a Caucasian wog. Perhaps you
merely mean Alsatian, and a dog?

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02003-07-21 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Monday, July 21, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Excuse me Dr Voigtlander, what's WITH this act, man? This is
> > the 1800th post with this tone. You should come to Chicago
> > and loosen up a bit.
>
> You should have gone to Maine; he's quite loose.

I'm not talking about choice of apparel, K-R-N.

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On Monday, July 21, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-07-21 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Monday, July 21, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > 02003-07-21 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
>> >> > And -- if you wish to answer it: was the person you were about
>> >> > to describing as swarthy (your initial message of this thread)
>> >> > a Caucasian?
>> >>
>> >> Yes.
>> >
>> > I'd say ditch the word. Swarthy Caucasians are criminals. See any
>> > number of detective books.
>>
>> They are also wogs.

> Are you sure? I have never heard of a Caucasian wog. Perhaps you
> merely mean Alsatian, and a dog?

No. If your skin is dark enough. E.g., Italians.

I cannot imagine how Errol Flynn could be swarthy, though.

Karen

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On Monday, July 21, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-07-21 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Monday, July 21, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > Excuse me Dr Voigtlander, what's WITH this act, man? This is
>> > the 1800th post with this tone. You should come to Chicago
>> > and loosen up a bit.
>>
>> You should have gone to Maine; he's quite loose.

> I'm not talking about choice of apparel, K-R-N.

Nor am I, OREOTU.

Karen

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02003-07-21 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Monday, July 21, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-07-21 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> On Monday, July 21, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> > Excuse me Dr Voigtlander, what's WITH this act, man? This is
> >> > the 1800th post with this tone. You should come to Chicago
> >> > and loosen up a bit.
> >>
> >> You should have gone to Maine; he's quite loose.
> >
> > I'm not talking about choice of apparel, K-R-N.
>
> Nor am I, OREOTU.

If you wish; seems like a rather inappropriate thing to say.

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02003-07-21 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Monday, July 21, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-07-21 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> On Monday, July 21, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> > 02003-07-21 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> >> >> > And -- if you wish to answer it: was the person you were about
> >> >> > to describing as swarthy (your initial message of this thread)
> >> >> > a Caucasian?
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes.
> >> >
> >> > I'd say ditch the word. Swarthy Caucasians are criminals. See any
> >> > number of detective books.
> >>
> >> They are also wogs.
> >
> > Are you sure? I have never heard of a Caucasian wog. Perhaps you
> > merely mean Alsatian, and a dog?
>
> No. If your skin is dark enough. E.g., Italians.

I worry about your imagination. Do you have a cite for this?

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On 21 Jul 2003 at 18:27, Karen Kay wrote:

> I cannot imagine how Errol Flynn could be swarthy, though.

With help from Ernie Westmore.

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> On 21 Jul 2003 at 18:27, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > I cannot imagine how Errol Flynn could be swarthy, though.
>
> With help from Ernie Westmore.

Maybe Wally or Bud or Mike....but Ernie?

I met Mike Westmore when I was in High School. Saw his talk, read the book,
got it signed. The Westmores of Hollywood! Mike wrote me a nice letter. I
still have it.

Sandra

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At 06:15 PM 7/21/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Monday, July 21, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Excuse me Dr Voigtlander, what's WITH this act, man? This is
> > the 1800th post with this tone. You should come to Chicago
> > and loosen up a bit.
>
>You should have gone to Maine; he's quite loose.

Go easy on him, Karen.  He is trying to extract meaning from his drab,
wretched life---and failing miserably.

cwv

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From: "Karen Kay" <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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> On Monday, July 21, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Excuse me Dr Voigtlander, what's WITH this act, man? This is
> > the 1800th post with this tone. You should come to Chicago
> > and loosen up a bit.
>
> You should have gone to Maine; he's quite loose.
>
> Karen

Hm.  I've heard of loose women,
but seldom of loose men.

            - D. M.

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At 05:58 PM 7/21/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:

>Excuse me Dr Voigtlander, what's WITH this act, man? This is
>the 1800th post with this tone. You should come to Chicago
>and loosen up a bit.

I was born in Chicago and I'm probably more laid-back than you'll ever be
in your entire life, so shut the hell up.

cwv

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Subject: Re:      Re: swarthy
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 19:15:18 -0500
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> I cannot imagine how Errol Flynn could be swarthy, though.
>
> Karen


http://www.geocities.com/flynngirl99/bio.htm

You don't think so?

           - D. M.

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> > > Tonight, In the Bedroom.
> > >
> > >            - D. M.
> >
> > I hope you enjoy it more than I did.
> >
> > --Adam
>
> It was deplorable.  How on earth it came up
> with academy nominations is beyond me.
>
>                 - D. M.

Sweet vindication! I couldn't stand it. It was one of those movies which
after it ended, I thought, "Well, there's three hours of my life I'll never
get back."

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net
Try "Donnie Darko" instead! Bizarre but good.

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From: "S Hess" <sandra@maximumsentence.com>
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Subject: Tales of the City...
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 17:33:29 -0700
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My doorbell rang just after 5pm. I don't normally buzz people in if I don't
know who is coming...but at the times when mail or UPS delivers (UPS between
4 and 6) I go ahead and buzz up whoever rings my doorbell.

This time it was a former tennant of my apartment building. She'd lived here
a long time and moved out (with her 3 yr old son) about a couple years ago.
I'd run into her at a local coffee house last fall and she'd remarked about
my weight loss.

I was surprised to see her as I don't consider her more than an acquaintence
and she's always struck me as without limits in a way that leaves me a tad
anxious to be around her. Once when she said Goodbye to me one night, she
kissed me on the mouth and it was awkward. She once had an affair with Karen
Black, who is a off kilter as one might imagine.

So, she comes up the stairs...I'm expecting a UPS guy...our bldg just has
buzzers...you can't speak into a box to tell the person in the bldg who you
are.

She again comments about my weight. Then points out her "10 lb water weight"
she's carrying. She looks about 6 months pregnant, but who knows? I'm not
gonna say that. She asks to use my restroom. Ok. She leaves the door a few
inches open as she's peeing. She steps out of the bathroom and asks what I'm
doing tonight. I tell her I have things to do around the apartment (true
enough). And I make a comment "seems like you forgot to flush...is that a
thing of the past?" She laughs. I flushed it for her. Weird. She asks if I
can go with her now to help her organize her apartment.

I know something is wrong with her. I know she'd had a pot problem in the
past, but her eyes weren't dilated. She made some sleasy comment after she
made some comment about her being (I forget which sign) and asked me what I
am (scorpio). Scorpios tend to get those comments; it's a silly thing.

She really made me nervous and I told her I really didn't have time tonight
to come over to her place(she's throwing some impromptu organizing party
tonight...a Monday?).

I asked how her son was. Apparently now his dad has him. Thank god.

And then she told me she spent last week in a mental hospital (SF General).

I guess she's manic or something. She's in her 30s and while she was always
slightly off, this is often when problems get more serious, I think.

Finally, due to her car being double parked, I was able to get her out of my
place.

It left me very uneasy, though. She doesn't live very far away...less than 7
blocks. It's events like this that resulted in me not usually answering my
door unless I know who is coming. Or I'll have to go down to see who it is
before I open the door.

She was raised in group homes and foster care while she was in her teens and
god only knows what her life was like before then.

When she first came up and said "hi" she seemed ok....but the moment she
peed without closing the door and then didn't flush...all the bells rang.

That whole 10 mins. has left me feeling icky.

Sandra

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At 05:33 PM 7/21/2003 -0700, S Hess wrote:
>My doorbell rang just after 5pm. I don't normally buzz people in if I don't
>know who is coming...but at the times when mail or UPS delivers (UPS between
>4 and 6) I go ahead and buzz up whoever rings my doorbell.

Don't do that.

Betty

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02003-07-21 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> At 05:58 PM 7/21/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >Excuse me Dr Voigtlander, what's WITH this act, man? This is
> >the 1800th post with this tone. You should come to Chicago
> >and loosen up a bit.
>
> I was born in Chicago and I'm probably more laid-back than you'll ever be
> in your entire life, so shut the hell up.

Hm ... I think both Drs Voigtlander should do the Chicago visit thing.

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02003-07-21 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> At 06:15 PM 7/21/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> >On Monday, July 21, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> Excuse me Dr Voigtlander, what's WITH this act, man? This is
> >> the 1800th post with this tone. You should come to Chicago
> >> and loosen up a bit.
> >
> >You should have gone to Maine; he's quite loose.
>
> Go easy on him, Karen.  He is trying to extract meaning from his drab,
> wretched life---and failing miserably.

Maybe I should adjust my meds.

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At 07:42 PM 7/21/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:

>Hm ... I think both Drs Voigtlander should do the Chicago visit thing.

Are you going to have an open house?

B

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Please tell me that you weren't the one who put Master Carl in the trunk!

Betty

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02003-07-21 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 07:42 PM 7/21/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >Hm ... I think both Drs Voigtlander should do the Chicago visit thing.
>
> Are you going to have an open house?

What's this got to do with me?

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> At 05:33 PM 7/21/2003 -0700, S Hess wrote:
> >My doorbell rang just after 5pm. I don't normally buzz people in
> if I don't
> >know who is coming...but at the times when mail or UPS delivers
> (UPS between
> >4 and 6) I go ahead and buzz up whoever rings my doorbell.
>
> Don't do that.
>
> Betty

You're right. I won't anymore. In the last year, even though I thought I was
being careful, three people have come up that I didn't want to see. I'll
have to come up with something I can say to people that I don't want to let
in. Actually, I didn't mind one of the people. But, it would have been
better if he didn't just drop by. He was polite about it, though.

I'll just tell them, "it's not a good time.".

Sandra

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While running my instinctive womanly scanner over
objects in my home, deciding what I can bear to part
with, and arranging it on borrowed tables in my garage,
I find myself running back into the house to check
with eBay as to whether this dumb object has any
value for any reason.  Surprise, surprise.  An ash
tray I brought home from Las Vegas Desert Inn and Country
Club in the 50's is collectible (although not valuable).
A wooden domino set from the 70's takes some
people's fancy.  An early Monopoly game is desirable.

And so it goes.  It will never make me rich.  But I'll
be rid of the darn stuff.

Most of you are too young to realize yet that all the
crap you are collecting will be an enormous burden you
will one day scrap joyfully.

So save your money.  Tough times ahead.

              - D. M.

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At 07:46 PM 7/21/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-07-21 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > At 07:42 PM 7/21/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > >Hm ... I think both Drs Voigtlander should do the Chicago visit thing.
> >
> > Are you going to have an open house?
>
>What's this got to do with me?

Oh, I thought you were inviting everyone to Chicago. Hang loose.

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02003-07-21 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 07:46 PM 7/21/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-07-21 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >> At 07:42 PM 7/21/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hm ... I think both Drs Voigtlander should do the Chicago visit thing.
> >>
> >> Are you going to have an open house?
> >
> >What's this got to do with me?
>
> Oh, I thought you were inviting everyone to Chicago. Hang loose.

10-4, good buddy

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At 05:49 PM 7/21/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
>You're right. I won't anymore. In the last year, even though I thought I was
>being careful, three people have come up that I didn't want to see. I'll
>have to come up with something I can say to people that I don't want to let
>in. Actually, I didn't mind one of the people. But, it would have been
>better if he didn't just drop by. He was polite about it, though.
>
>I'll just tell them, "it's not a good time.".
>
>Sandra

Can you just not answer as if you weren't home?

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> Most of you are too young to realize yet that all the
> crap you are collecting will be an enormous burden you
> will one day scrap joyfully.
>
> So save your money.  Tough times ahead.
>
>               - D. M.

I hear ya!

Consider me a recent convert....from collector to chucker.

Sandra

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> At 05:49 PM 7/21/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
> >You're right. I won't anymore. In the last year, even though I
> thought I was
> >being careful, three people have come up that I didn't want to see. I'll
> >have to come up with something I can say to people that I don't
> want to let
> >in. Actually, I didn't mind one of the people. But, it would have been
> >better if he didn't just drop by. He was polite about it, though.
> >
> >I'll just tell them, "it's not a good time.".
> >
> >Sandra
>
> Can you just not answer as if you weren't home?

What about UPS? And USPS? If I'm lucky to be here when they need a sig, it's
a nice thing. Otherwise, the rescheduling can be a pain.

Sandra

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At 07:57 PM 7/21/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:

>10-4, good buddy

Gotcha, Snookums. If I make it to Chicago, let's do lunch.  I'll give you a
heads up before I arrive to see if it's a good time for you.

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> Most of you are too young to realize yet that all the
> crap you are collecting will be an enormous burden you
> will one day scrap joyfully.

I'm very selective about non-useful-now stuff I let in my household. Dad had
all kinds of crap he wanted to give me for when I have a house that I
refused to take, and was proud of for doing so.

--Adam
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At 06:00 PM 7/21/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
>What about UPS? And USPS? If I'm lucky to be here when they need a sig, it's
>a nice thing. Otherwise, the rescheduling can be a pain.
>
>Sandra

Can't you buy your toys in San Francisco?

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On 21 Jul 2003 at 16:55, sandra wrote:

> Maybe Wally or Bud or Mike....but Ernie?

What the hell, there were so many of them there might have been an
Ernie, too, for all I know.

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sandra wrote:

>>Most of you are too young to realize yet that all the
>>crap you are collecting will be an enormous burden you
>>will one day scrap joyfully.
>>
>>So save your money.  Tough times ahead.
>>
>>              - D. M.
>>
>
> I hear ya!
>
> Consider me a recent convert....from collector to chucker.


        I've never been a collector.  I'm going through stuff this
week to send to the annual parish yard sale.  I've been
buried in crap from dead relatives.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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----- Original Message -----
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> On Monday, July 21, 2003, S Hess wrote:
> > The right-to-die organization founded in 1980 announced Monday that
it is
> > changing its name to End-of-Life Choices.
>
> Good.
>
> Karen

Why?  You don't like the word "die"?
How many choices are there?

                 - D. M.

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> sandra wrote:
>
> >>Most of you are too young to realize yet that all the
> >>crap you are collecting will be an enormous burden you
> >>will one day scrap joyfully.
> >>
> >>So save your money.  Tough times ahead.
> >>
> >>              - D. M.
> >>
> >
> > I hear ya!
> >
> > Consider me a recent convert....from collector to chucker.
>
>
>         I've never been a collector.  I'm going through stuff this
> week to send to the annual parish yard sale.  I've been
> buried in crap from dead relatives.
>
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman

Jeez, I didn't even think about that. I keep turning down stuff my mom tries
to give me, although sometimes I take it and chuck it because I know she
won't get rid of it otherwise.

Sandra

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> > On Monday, July 21, 2003, S Hess wrote:
> > > The right-to-die organization founded in 1980 announced Monday that
> it is
> > > changing its name to End-of-Life Choices.
> >
> > Good.
> >
> > Karen
>
> Why?  You don't like the word "die"?
> How many choices are there?
>
>                  - D. M.

I prefer Hemlock Society. This new name seems all about being politically
correct. It's clunky at best.

Sandra

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> > it is
> > > > changing its name to End-of-Life Choices.
> > >
> > > Good.
> > >
> > > Karen
> >
> > Why?  You don't like the word "die"?
> > How many choices are there?
> >
> >                  - D. M.
>
> I prefer Hemlock Society. This new name seems all about being
politically
> correct. It's clunky at best.
>
> Sandra

Hemlock says a lot.

      - D. M.

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> I'd say ditch the word. Swarthy Caucasians are
> criminals. See any
> number of detective books.

But they are also dashing heroes in romantic books
from du Maurier to Harlequin.


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02003-07-21 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 07:57 PM 7/21/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >10-4, good buddy
>
> Gotcha, Snookums. If I make it to Chicago, let's do lunch.  I'll give
> you a heads up before I arrive to see if it's a good time for you.

No skin off my back. Glad we are on the same page.

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02003-07-21 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > I'd say ditch the word. Swarthy Caucasians are
> > criminals. See any number of detective books.
>
> But they are also dashing heroes in romantic books
> from du Maurier to Harlequin.

Romance books are not based on reality ... duh

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> When she first came up and said "hi" she seemed
> ok....but the moment she
> peed without closing the door and then didn't
> flush...all the bells rang.
>
> That whole 10 mins. has left me feeling icky.
>
> Sandra

Sandra,

Since you have no way at all of determining who is at
the door, just don't answer after a certain hour,
unless someone has let you know he/she is coming.  If
it's UPS or something, they can leave you a notice.
This is an alarming scenario that you shouldn't have
to repeat.


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> At 06:00 PM 7/21/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
> >What about UPS? And USPS? If I'm lucky to be here when they need
> a sig, it's
> >a nice thing. Otherwise, the rescheduling can be a pain.
> >
> >Sandra
>
> Can't you buy your toys in San Francisco?

Well, sure, one can buy *toys* in SF but it's not *toys* I order.

Sandra

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 18:47:29 -0700
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> > When she first came up and said "hi" she seemed
> > ok....but the moment she
> > peed without closing the door and then didn't
> > flush...all the bells rang.
> >
> > That whole 10 mins. has left me feeling icky.
> >
> > Sandra
>
> Sandra,
>
> Since you have no way at all of determining who is at
> the door, just don't answer after a certain hour,
> unless someone has let you know he/she is coming.  If
> it's UPS or something, they can leave you a notice.
> This is an alarming scenario that you shouldn't have
> to repeat.
>

Yeah, she just called me to tell me she would be more motivated to "party"
in a couple hours and now she's really way "down." I had just popped in on
my neighbor (we're close friends and we bop over to each other's places all
the time) (she's a nurse) and told her about my episode with this former
tenant (O) ...she was surprised and not surprised. And I told her that it
seemed like O was manic. She agreed.

O just called me and when she told me she was down, I asked her what meds
she was on (I had to assume she is) and she said "respiradol" or something
like that. And I told her that with a new med, it takes time and maybe it's
the wrong doseage and she told me she sees her psychiatrist on Wed. And she
has a friend coming over to take care of her tonight.

But it won't be me.

I've known her, very superficially, for a number of years and it's downright
scary to see this happening. But I'm glad she's getting medical help. I hope
they get the drug mix right soon.

Sandra

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From: Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@yahoo.com>
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> What the hell, there were so many of them there
> might have been an
> Ernie, too, for all I know.

There was a Perc, and where there is a Perc, anything
is possible.


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Subject: Re: Tales of the City...
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> Yeah, she just called me to tell me she would be
> more motivated to "party"
> in a couple hours and now she's really way "down." I
> had just popped in on
> my neighbor (we're close friends and we bop over to
> each other's places all
> the time) (she's a nurse) and told her about my
> episode with this former
> tenant (O) ...she was surprised and not surprised.
> And I told her that it
> seemed like O was manic. She agreed.
>
> O just called me and when she told me she was down,
> I asked her what meds
> she was on (I had to assume she is) and she said
> "respiradol" or something
> like that. And I told her that with a new med, it
> takes time and maybe it's
> the wrong doseage and she told me she sees her
> psychiatrist on Wed. And she
> has a friend coming over to take care of her
> tonight.
>
> But it won't be me.
>
> I've known her, very superficially, for a number of
> years and it's downright
> scary to see this happening. But I'm glad she's
> getting medical help. I hope
> they get the drug mix right soon.
>
> Sandra

Are you ITB?  How did she get your number?


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--- Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
> 02003-07-21 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
> writes:
> > > I'd say ditch the word. Swarthy Caucasians are
> > > criminals. See any number of detective books.
> >
> > But they are also dashing heroes in romantic books
> > from du Maurier to Harlequin.
>
> Romance books are not based on reality ... duh

Neither are detective books. Any number of them.


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> This is scary.  Beg off at all costs.
> You are not in charge.
>
>            - D. M.
>
>           - D. M.

Doris is absolutely right.  This is getting creepy,
and I'm not easily creeped out.  Maybe you should not
answer your phone or - do you caller ID?


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----- Original Message -----
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> > Yeah, she just called me to tell me she would be
> > more motivated to "party"
> > in a couple hours and now she's really way "down." I
> > had just popped in on
> > my neighbor (we're close friends and we bop over to
> > each other's places all
> > the time) (she's a nurse) and told her about my
> > episode with this former
> > tenant (O) ...she was surprised and not surprised.
> > And I told her that it
> > seemed like O was manic. She agreed.
> >
> > O just called me and when she told me she was down,
> > I asked her what meds
> > she was on (I had to assume she is) and she said
> > "respiradol" or something
> > like that. And I told her that with a new med, it
> > takes time and maybe it's
> > the wrong doseage and she told me she sees her
> > psychiatrist on Wed. And she
> > has a friend coming over to take care of her
> > tonight.
> >
> > But it won't be me.
> >
> > I've known her, very superficially, for a number of
> > years and it's downright
> > scary to see this happening. But I'm glad she's
> > getting medical help. I hope
> > they get the drug mix right soon.
> >
> > Sandra

This is scary.  Beg off at all costs.
You are not in charge.

           - D. M.

          - D. M.

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 21:13:34 -0500
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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sandra wrote:

>>sandra wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Most of you are too young to realize yet that all the
>>>>crap you are collecting will be an enormous burden you
>>>>will one day scrap joyfully.
>>>>
>>>>So save your money.  Tough times ahead.
>>>>
>>>>             - D. M.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I hear ya!
>>>
>>>Consider me a recent convert....from collector to chucker.
>>>
>>
>>        I've never been a collector.  I'm going through stuff this
>>week to send to the annual parish yard sale.  I've been
>>buried in crap from dead relatives.
>>
>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>
>
> Jeez, I didn't even think about that. I keep turning down stuff my mom tries
> to give me, although sometimes I take it and chuck it because I know she
> won't get rid of it otherwise.


        Not to be insensitive or anything, but it is now or later.  I
have assimilated the considerable households of three
spinster ladies; I don't wish this on anybody.  My house is
loaded with stuff, and I have only bought one room of
furniture.  Everything must go!  I'm on a tear.  Except the
stuff I like, of course.  The kitchen is especially
egregious.  Who needs three complete sets of Corningware
baking dishes (blue cornflower pattern)?




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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The neck thing in "Invaders from Mars" was definitely on the mark, but
nothing about the rest of the movie was the least bit familiar.  I
really don't think I had seen it before.  So I think it was a different
back-of-neck-scar movie that I'm remembering.
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Lynne Weber wrote:

>>This is scary.  Beg off at all costs.
>>You are not in charge.
>>
>>           - D. M.
>>
>>          - D. M.
>>
>
> Doris is absolutely right.  This is getting creepy,
> and I'm not easily creeped out.  Maybe you should not
> answer your phone or - do you caller ID?


        I had a manic-depressive roommate once.  We were living in a
big old house in Hyde Park -- wonderful place -- and I was
in charge of the books.  The owner of the house, Ernie, was
in South America hunting Nazis, and I sent him his rent and
paid the bills every month.  Anyway, the roommate stopped
taking her meds at one point and stayed in her room for
three days straight.  Then, when we were all out somewhere,
she got into my stuff and stole all the rent/bill money and
hitchhiked to New Mexico.

        I was annoyed at the time, but it was a great story to
re-live last week when I got together with my ex-boyfriend.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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  Then, when we were all out
> somewhere,
> she got into my stuff and stole all the rent/bill
> money and
> hitchhiked to New Mexico.
>
>         I was annoyed at the time, but it was a
> great story to
> re-live last week when I got together with my
> ex-boyfriend.

And...and?  What happened?  Did the girl ever come
back?  Did Ernie get his money back?  Was Ernie a
make-up artist?
>
>
>
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>
>


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  So I think
> it was a different
> back-of-neck-scar movie that I'm remembering.
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Well I can tell you, Googling "neck thing" does not
get one very far.


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Lynne Weber wrote:

>   Then, when we were all out
>
>>somewhere,
>>she got into my stuff and stole all the rent/bill
>>money and
>>hitchhiked to New Mexico.
>>
>>        I was annoyed at the time, but it was a
>>great story to
>>re-live last week when I got together with my
>>ex-boyfriend.
>>
>
> And...and?  What happened?  Did the girl ever come
> back?  Did Ernie get his money back?  Was Ernie a
> make-up artist?


        No, Ernie is not a make-up artist.  He's a highly respected
journalist (or was -- he's long since retired).  The church
we belonged to at the time gave us some money to cover what
was stolen, and I did indeed deposit it in Ernie's accounts.
  The roommate went to live with somebody else.

--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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7/21/2003, 7:24 PM, sandra wrote:


s> I prefer Hemlock Society. This new name seems all about being politically
s> correct. It's clunky at best.

But 99 percent of the people in the country have no clue of the
relevance of the name.  It is marketing, not PC, though PC is also in
the new name.

dan

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> But 99 percent of the people in the country have no
> clue of the
> relevance of the name.  It is marketing, not PC,
> though PC is also in
> the new name.
>
> dan

I once knew a girl who talked about the Hemlock Holmes
mystery stories - the same girl who told me the
Okee-Pinocchio swamp was in Georgia.


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On Monday, July 21, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>> I cannot imagine how Errol Flynn could be swarthy, though.
>>
>> Karen


> http://www.geocities.com/flynngirl99/bio.htm

> You don't think so?

Swashbuckling, yes, swarthy, no.

Karen

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On Monday, July 21, 2003, sandra wrote:
> I'll just tell them, "it's not a good time.".

Speaking of which, are you insane? I heard the story of the Tour today
at Monday Night Knitting (tm), and then saw a bit of it on the news.
How could you think he'd been sandbagging?!? He's extremely
competitive, and the adrenaline rush after the near fall galvanized
him--he did much better today *because* of falling. That's the kind of
guy he is.

Karen

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Have you read anything by Richard Powers? What did you think? I'm
trying to read Galatea 2.2, but basically I can't stand it, it's so...
3rd party. Have you read this?

Karen

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On Monday, July 21, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
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> From: "Karen Kay" <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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>> On Monday, July 21, 2003, S Hess wrote:
>> > The right-to-die organization founded in 1980 announced Monday that
> it is
>> > changing its name to End-of-Life Choices.
>>
>> Good.
>>
>> Karen

> Why?  You don't like the word "die"?
> How many choices are there?

Die wasn't in the name. It was "Hemlock Society". Drinking (or eating)
hemlock is one choice.

Karen

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On Monday, July 21, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> The kitchen is especially
> egregious.  Who needs three complete sets of Corningware
> baking dishes (blue cornflower pattern)?

No one.

Karen

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On Monday, July 21, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> At 06:15 PM 7/21/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>On Monday, July 21, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > Excuse me Dr Voigtlander, what's WITH this act, man? This is
>> > the 1800th post with this tone. You should come to Chicago
>> > and loosen up a bit.
>>
>>You should have gone to Maine; he's quite loose.

> Go easy on him, Karen.  He is trying to extract meaning from his drab,
> wretched life---and failing miserably.

Yeah, well, too many street festivals will do that to a guy.

Karen

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On Monday, July 21, 2003, steph wrote:
> cookies and graph paper notebooks from a supermarket in France

Do you actually like the graph paper notebooks? If so, why?

Karen

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On Monday, July 21, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>> I think most writing looks unreadable.

> Not if you use good swarthy ink.

LOL.

Karen

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> > I'd say ditch the word. Swarthy Caucasians are
> > criminals. See any
> > number of detective books.
>
> But they are also dashing heroes in romantic books
> from du Maurier to Harlequin.

(Lynn)

I wouldn't know, I don't read romances. I hardly think of Fabio as swarthy.

Sandra

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> > Yeah, she just called me to tell me she would be
> > more motivated to "party"
> > in a couple hours and now she's really way "down." I
> > had just popped in on
> > my neighbor (we're close friends and we bop over to
> > each other's places all
> > the time) (she's a nurse) and told her about my
> > episode with this former
> > tenant (O) ...she was surprised and not surprised.
> > And I told her that it
> > seemed like O was manic. She agreed.
> >
> > O just called me and when she told me she was down,
> > I asked her what meds
> > she was on (I had to assume she is) and she said
> > "respiradol" or something
> > like that. And I told her that with a new med, it
> > takes time and maybe it's
> > the wrong doseage and she told me she sees her
> > psychiatrist on Wed. And she
> > has a friend coming over to take care of her
> > tonight.
> >
> > But it won't be me.
> >
> > I've known her, very superficially, for a number of
> > years and it's downright
> > scary to see this happening. But I'm glad she's
> > getting medical help. I hope
> > they get the drug mix right soon.
> >
> > Sandra
>
> Are you ITB?  How did she get your number?


I dunno. What's ITB? I'm in the book. She's had my number for years. A lot
of us in the bldg have each other's numbers for sundry reasons.

Sandra

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> > This is scary.  Beg off at all costs.
> > You are not in charge.
> >
> >            - D. M.
> >
> >           - D. M.
>
> Doris is absolutely right.  This is getting creepy,
> and I'm not easily creeped out.  Maybe you should not
> answer your phone or - do you caller ID?
>

Don't worry. I haven't agreed or been asked to do anything. I won't. The
kind of help she needs is professional in nature.
I won't get involved.

Sandra

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>Who needs three complete sets of Corningware
> baking dishes (blue cornflower pattern)?
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman

eBay.

Sandra

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> Do you actually like the graph paper notebooks? If so, why?
> Karen

I like them.  I think all writing looks more interesting on graph paper.
And it's fun to make patterns among the squares.

Ann

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>         I had a manic-depressive roommate once.  We were living in a
> big old house in Hyde Park -- wonderful place -- and I was
> in charge of the books.  The owner of the house, Ernie, was
> in South America hunting Nazis, and I sent him his rent and
> paid the bills every month.  Anyway, the roommate stopped
> taking her meds at one point and stayed in her room for
> three days straight.  Then, when we were all out somewhere,
> she got into my stuff and stole all the rent/bill money and
> hitchhiked to New Mexico.
>
>         I was annoyed at the time, but it was a great story to
> re-live last week when I got together with my ex-boyfriend.
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman


It had occurred to me she was going to hit me up for $. But she didn't.

Sandra

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On Monday, July 21, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>> Do you actually like the graph paper notebooks? If so, why?
>> Karen

> I like them.  I think all writing looks more interesting on graph paper.

I think most writing looks unreadable.

> And it's fun to make patterns among the squares.

Well, yes.

I'm trying to design zebra zocks on graph paper,but I don't think
zebra stripes lend themselves to graphing.

Karen

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> I think most writing looks unreadable.

Not if you use good swarthy ink.

Ann

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> 7/21/2003, 7:24 PM, sandra wrote:
>
>
> s> I prefer Hemlock Society. This new name seems all about being
> politically
> s> correct. It's clunky at best.
>
> But 99 percent of the people in the country have no clue of the
> relevance of the name.  It is marketing, not PC, though PC is also in
> the new name.
>
> dan

Wow...I guess Hemlock has lost its relevance. I wonder it was used last to
poison someone or used to commit suicide.


Sandra

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> Have you read anything by Richard Powers? What did you think? I'm
> trying to read Galatea 2.2, but basically I can't stand it, it's so...
> 3rd party. Have you read this?
>
> Karen
>

Nope, haven't but I'm about to read a short by him in Zoetrope (an old issue
I never got to). I've been wanting to read him.

Sandra

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On Monday, July 21, 2003, sandra wrote:
> Wow...I guess Hemlock has lost its relevance. I wonder it was used last to
> poison someone or used to commit suicide.

It grows wild in my yard--I ate some, thinking it was carrot.

Karen

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>
> On Monday, July 21, 2003, steph wrote:
> > cookies and graph paper notebooks from a supermarket in France
>
> Do you actually like the graph paper notebooks? If so, why?
>
> Karen
>

I bought one in Athens and before that, one in Paris. They're fun and
everything looks cooler when written on them.

Sandra

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On Mon, 21 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> It grows wild in my yard--I ate some, thinking it was carrot.

I took it for wild parsley once.  But got saved in time by a book checked
out of the library just that day.

I didn't realize the root looked like a carrot.  Or were you insane at the
time?

Ann

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> On Mon, 21 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > It grows wild in my yard--I ate some, thinking it was carrot.
>
> I took it for wild parsley once.  But got saved in time by a book checked
> out of the library just that day.
>
> I didn't realize the root looked like a carrot.  Or were you insane at the
> time?
>
> Ann

Funny...fennel always reminds me of Hemlock.

Sandra

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On Monday, July 21, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> It grows wild in my yard--I ate some, thinking it was carrot.

> I took it for wild parsley once.  But got saved in time by a book checked
> out of the library just that day.

> I didn't realize the root looked like a carrot.  Or were you insane at the
> time?

We had this conversation the day that I ate it. I remember vividly
your being saved by the book you checked out of the library.

Karen

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02003-07-21 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > I think most writing looks unreadable.
>
> Not if you use good swarthy ink.

IT HAS A NAME.

Call it Indian Ink and this never happened ...

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> On Monday, July 21, 2003, sandra wrote:
> > Wow...I guess Hemlock has lost its relevance. I wonder it was used
last to
> > poison someone or used to commit suicide.
>
> It grows wild in my yard--I ate some, thinking it was carrot.
>
> Karen

Recently?  Well . . goodby, Karen.
Nice to know ya.

            - D. M.

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>I'm very selective about non-useful-now stuff I let in my household. Dad had
>all kinds of crap he wanted to give me for when I have a house that I
>refused to take, and was proud of for doing so.
>
>--Adam

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Ken Miller
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Karen Kay:
= On Monday, July 21, 2003, steph wrote:
= > cookies and graph paper notebooks from a supermarket in France
=
= Do you actually like the graph paper notebooks? If so, why?
=

Well, the French ones are a little different, so we'll have to
see (each big square is split into four rows).  I like the way
the paper looks better than just lines or blank pages.  I've
always preferred narrower lines in lined paper, and with graph
paper you usually get narrower rows compared to just the lined
stuff.  I tend to organize things both vertically and horizontally
on the paper when I'm writing notes at work (I make checklists,
star my action items, etc), plus I draw an awful lot of diagrams
to explain things to people and they usually contain lots of
boxes representing computers.

(I had a drawing already in my notebook to explain something to
someone yesterday and I picked it up to show it to someone else.  His
comment, "You've missed your calling".  And he handed me his
letter opener to use as a pointer.  I told him I'd trained as a
teacher and he said it showed.)

I also have a very strong preference for fine point black
rollerball pens.  I have a really nice Stabilo one right now that
I've actually used up the first ink cartrige on and have bought
refills for.  In high school it was the finest point Pilot Razor
Point pens I could find (in black, naturally), and I've had a lot
of really good Parker Rollerballs.

Don't let me loose in Office Depot.

Blue ink, egh.

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As a matter of fact is castaGNa and it sounds like a spanish n, with
cedilla.

As for being gealous...I found it extremely funny I wasn't the only one
wqho remembered about that.
L.

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Wordslers, what's the best way to get to Hattiesburg? Fly to NO? I have
to testify there in a few weeeks/months.

Bethany

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> >I'm very selective about non-useful-now stuff I let in my household.
>
> Says the man whose CD collection contained at least 540 items as of
> 11/18/99. :-)

Hey! THOSE are ESSENTIAL to my HAPPINESS and WELL-BEING.

Which reminds me, I need to bring Lolongkrang into work and rip it.

--Adam
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7/21/2003, 9:40 PM, sandra wrote:

s> What's ITB? I'm in the book.

 ITB = In The Book

dan

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At 08:56 PM 7/21/2003 -0600, Dan Lester wrote:
>7/21/2003, 7:24 PM, sandra wrote:
>
>
>s> I prefer Hemlock Society. This new name seems all about being politically
>s> correct. It's clunky at best.
>
>But 99 percent of the people in the country have no clue of the
>relevance of the name.

Many of those probably think that it is a Trevanian fan club.

cwv

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> Please tell me that you weren't the one who put Master Carl in the trunk!
>
> Betty

    Was he bound and gagged?  No?  Then I wasn't the one who put him there.
8-)

JMW

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> Speaking of which, are you insane?

Well, I have been accused of peeing
with the door open.

> How could you think he'd been sandbagging?!?

To throw that menacing-looking German
off the scent.

>competitive, and the adrenaline rush after
>the near fall

If that's a "near fall" I'd hate to see
the real thing.

> galvanized him

Yeah, after one of my near falls I had
some galvanized steel installed to hold
me together, too.

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> Wordslers, what's the best way to get to Hattiesburg? Fly to NO?

When USM interviewed me, I borrowed
a friend's car and drove.  A quick
and fairly nice jaunt from NOLA.

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> Are you sure? I have never heard of a Caucasian wog.

"The wogs begin at Calais."

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02003-07-22 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> At 08:56 PM 7/21/2003 -0600, Dan Lester wrote:
> >7/21/2003, 7:24 PM, sandra wrote:
> >
> >
> >s> I prefer Hemlock Society. This new name seems all about being
> >politically
> >s> correct. It's clunky at best.
> >
> >But 99 percent of the people in the country have no clue of the
> >relevance of the name.
>
> Many of those probably think that it is a Trevanian fan club.

Extremely few do, actually--documented fact.

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On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, lisping cockatiel wrote:
>> Speaking of which, are you insane?

> Well, I have been accused of peeing
> with the door open.

If that makes you insane, I'm certifiable.

>> How could you think he'd been sandbagging?!?

> To throw that menacing-looking German
> off the scent.

Oh, yeah, right... As if.

>>competitive, and the adrenaline rush after
>>the near fall

> If that's a "near fall" I'd hate to see
> the real thing.

The toe clip one. Sheesh.

>> galvanized him

> Yeah, after one of my near falls I had
> some galvanized steel installed to hold
> me together, too.

>From M-W: "transitive senses 1 a : to subject to the action of an
electric current especially for the purpose of stimulating
physiologically <galvanize a muscle> b : to stimulate or excite as if
by an electric shock <an issue that would galvanize public opinion>"

Do you not think that Lance was shot with electricity? To get more
than a minute up on Ullrich???

Karen

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> The toe clip one. Sheesh.

Oh, yeah.  Guys hate it when that happens.

> Do you not think that Lance was shot with electricity?

No, I think he just rounded into Lance form.

> To get more than a minute up on Ullrich???

Just like he has every other year (well, the
years when Ulrich wasn't hurt or paying the
price for not Just Sprechen-ing Nein).

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On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, steph wrote:

....
>
>Blue ink, egh.
>

Amen! I cannot abide blue ink. And more and more offices are requring it
- so they can distinguish originals in this day of xerox everything.

Bethany

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At 06:26 AM 7/22/2003 -0700, John Williams wrote:
> > Please tell me that you weren't the one who put Master Carl in the trunk!
> >
> > Betty
>
>     Was he bound and gagged?  No?  Then I wasn't the one who put him there.
>8-)

LOL.  He looked  pretty happy.

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On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, steph wrote:
> Well, the French ones are a little different, so we'll have to
> see (each big square is split into four rows).  I like the way
> the paper looks better than just lines or blank pages.  I've
> always preferred narrower lines in lined paper, and with graph
> paper you usually get narrower rows compared to just the lined
> stuff.

Ah. I prefer larger lines, since I have larger writing.

>   I tend to organize things both vertically and horizontally
> on the paper when I'm writing notes at work (I make checklists,
> star my action items, etc), plus I draw an awful lot of diagrams
> to explain things to people and they usually contain lots of
> boxes representing computers.

ditto

> I also have a very strong preference for fine point black
> rollerball pens.

ditto

> Blue ink, egh.

ditto

Karen

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All this probing.

Oh my ass!

alec

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Blue ink is superb.  I prefer it almost exclusively.  All my
fountain pen cartridges are blue.

I did love my graph paper notebooks I bought in Paris a few
years ago.

Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, steph wrote:
>
> ....
>
>>Blue ink, egh.
>>
>>
>
> Amen! I cannot abide blue ink. And more and more offices are requring it
> - so they can distinguish originals in this day of xerox everything.
>
> Bethany
>
>


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steph wrote:


> I also have a very strong preference for fine point black
> rollerball pens.  I have a really nice Stabilo one right now that
> I've actually used up the first ink cartrige on and have bought
> refills for.  In high school it was the finest point Pilot Razor
> Point pens I could find (in black, naturally), and I've had a lot
> of really good Parker Rollerballs.


At the moment, my favorite pen is the Pentel Sunburst Gel.
It is a very comfortable pen -- I started to love it while
grading hours and hours of research papers.


> Don't let me loose in Office Depot.


I spent about $30 in Office Max yesterday.  I'm a terror in
that store.




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On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> I spent about $30 in Office Max yesterday.  I'm a terror in
> that store.

I miss having an income. What did you buy?

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>I spent about $30 in Office Max yesterday.  I'm a terror in
>>that store.
>>
>
> I miss having an income. What did you buy?


Things for school -- paper, binders, a 3-hole punch, pens,
boxes for student journals, had some stuff laminated, that
sort of thing.



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On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Things for school -- paper, binders, a 3-hole punch, pens,
> boxes for student journals, had some stuff laminated, that
> sort of thing.

Boxes for student journals?

Karen

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sandra wrote:

>>Who needs three complete sets of Corningware
>>baking dishes (blue cornflower pattern)?
>>--
>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>
>
> eBay.


Oh my god.  They *are* on eBay.




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On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> sandra wrote:

>>>Who needs three complete sets of Corningware
>>>baking dishes (blue cornflower pattern)?
>>>--
>>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>>
>>
>> eBay.


> Oh my god.  They *are* on eBay.

Of course. All sorts of crap is.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Things for school -- paper, binders, a 3-hole punch, pens,
>>boxes for student journals, had some stuff laminated, that
>>sort of thing.
>>
>
> Boxes for student journals?


I have my students write in journals every day during the
first semester, and they stay in the classroom.  One box per
class.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> I have my students write in journals every day during the
> first semester, and they stay in the classroom.  One box per
> class.

Ah. What kind of boxes do you buy?

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
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>>I have my students write in journals every day during the
>>first semester, and they stay in the classroom.  One box per
>>class.
>>
>
> Ah. What kind of boxes do you buy?


        Oh, just those inexpensive file storage boxes.




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Alec D. Plotkin:
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= >From: L-Soft list server at UGA (1.8d)
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= >Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 6:00 AM
= >To: plotkina@POBOX.UPENN.EDU
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= >
=
= All this probing.
=
= Oh my ass!
=
= alec

I noticed that the X Files reference had been removed.

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02003-07-22 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> I did love my graph paper notebooks I bought in Paris

This entire line is so LIKE THAT that I am all like JEEZUS

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-07-22 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
= > I did love my graph paper notebooks I bought in Paris
=
= This entire line is so LIKE THAT that I am all like JEEZUS

Well goody for you.

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On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, lisping cockatiel wrote:

>> Wordslers, what's the best way to get to Hattiesburg? Fly to NO?
>
>When USM interviewed me, I borrowed
>a friend's car and drove.  A quick
>and fairly nice jaunt from NOLA.

US Marines? Drove from where? NOLA? New Orleans _____ _____?

Bethany

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On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, lisping cockatiel wrote:

>>> Wordslers, what's the best way to get to Hattiesburg? Fly to NO?
>>
>>When USM interviewed me, I borrowed
>>a friend's car and drove.  A quick
>>and fairly nice jaunt from NOLA.

> US Marines?

University of Southern Mississippi. In Hattiesburg.

> Drove from where? NOLA? New Orleans _____ _____?

Louisie anna.

Karen

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-07-22 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>I did love my graph paper notebooks I bought in Paris
>>
>
> This entire line is so LIKE THAT that I am all like JEEZUS


        And I am so, like, all whatEVER.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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7/22/2003, 12:21 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

>>When USM interviewed me, I borrowed
>>a friend's car and drove.  A quick
>>and fairly nice jaunt from NOLA.

BKD> US Marines? Drove from where? NOLA? New Orleans _____ _____?

 U of Southern Mississippi.  In HBurg.       NOLA is New Orleans LA

dan

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http://www.powergenitalia.com/


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On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Dan Lester wrote:

>>>When USM interviewed me, I borrowed
>>>a friend's car and drove.  A quick
>>>and fairly nice jaunt from NOLA.
>
>BKD> US Marines? Drove from where? NOLA? New Orleans _____ _____?
>
> U of Southern Mississippi.  In HBurg.       NOLA is New Orleans LA

o.

Thanks,
Bethany

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Congress to bikers: Get a car
A house subcommittee has voted to cut all funding for
bike paths and other pollution-free transportation
programs.

- - - - - - - - - - - -
By Katharine Mieszkowski



July 22, 2003  |  For every bike commuter who proudly
pedals to work under the mantra "one less car,"
Congress has a message for you: Get back on the
highway where you belong, burning fossil fuel like a
real American. That goes for you, too, you
traffic-hazard pedestrians.

Fresh out of subcommittee, a new congressional
transportation appropriations bill will entirely
eliminate some $600 million worth of annual federal
funding for bike paths, walkways and other such
transportation niceties in fiscal year 2004.

Never mind the political fallout of U.S. oil
dependency on the Middle East, or the fact that the
average mileage per gallon for new cars and trucks in
the U.S. is at its lowest level in 20 years. Members
of the House's Appropriations Subcommittee on
Transportation, Treasury and Independent Agencies know
that what America needs now is fewer bike paths and
walkways -- but more highways.

Defenders of the bill argue that, in light of huge
federal deficits, something has to go, but for bike
activists and environmentalists who have been pushing
for decades for alternatives to driving, the cuts are
a giant step backward.

"The irony of trying to make it easier for people to
drive when we're clearly running up against major
roadblocks on providing oil for driving is just too
much," says Leah Shahum, executive director of the San
Francisco Bicycle Coalition, a nonprofit that promotes
bikes for transportation.

Under the new bill, which the full Committee on
Appropriations is likely to consider this week, before
it goes to the House floor for a vote, highways would
receive $34.1 billion in fiscal year 2004, which is
$2.5 billion more than this year, while the
Transportation Enhancements program that funds bike
paths and walkways would get nothing. The bill would
also significantly reduce funding for everything from
Amtrak to reverse-commute transportation programs that
connect low-income urban workers to jobs in the
suburbs.

"It's saying: 'We're not really that interested in
community restoration or improvement. We just want the
money going toward highway development,'" says Susan
Prolman, government relations counsel for Defenders of
Wildlife. She points out that the bill puts $4.8
billion more into highway projects than President Bush
asked for in his 2004 budget.

"Draconian," "cynical," "nonsensical," "grave" are
some of the words that congressional lobbyists for
environmental, conservation and historical
preservation groups had for the legislation, which
will cut funding specifically aimed at supporting
pollution-free modes of transportation.

"They essentially gutted funding for sensible
alternatives in favor of more road building," says
Eric Olson, who works for the Sierra Club's Challenge
to Sprawl campaign in Washington.

After 40 years of funding highways, in 1991 the
Department of Transportation started the
Transportation Enhancements program to develop a more
"modally balanced transportation system by encouraging
projects that are more than asphalt, concrete and
steel." Environmentalists and historical
preservationist groups viewed its creation as a
watershed in federal transportation policy -- an
acknowledgement that the U.S.'s vast federal highway
system can do more than just seamlessly move cars and
trucks.

"So much of the devastation to the historic fabric of
our cities and communities was due to the barreling
through of highways in our neighborhoods," says Susan
West Montgomery, president of Preservation Action, a
group that's among those fighting the cuts. The
creation of the enhancements program countered that
with "symbolic meaning, as well as practical money."

>From 1992 to 2002, the program invested more than $2.4
billion in some 12,000 projects, with about half of
that money going directly to benefit cyclists and
pedestrians. It has provided funding for bike paths,
pedestrian bridges, sidewalks, as well as scenic
overlooks on highways and wildlife underpasses under
roads. The program has helped pay for rehabilitating
historic train stations, removing illegal billboards
and mitigating pollution runoffs from highways.

In San Francisco, the birthplace of the global bike
activist movement Critical Mass, urban cycling has
doubled over the last decade. And like many other
local governments, the city has won federal funds to
keep up with the increase in bike transportation.

"To lose these federal transportation dollars would be
a huge blow to San Francisco's growing bicycle
infrastructure," says the San Francisco Bike
Coalition's Shahum. "We've seen tremendous change in
the last 10 years from striped bike lanes to better
signage to bike access to transit and safety
promotional campaigns that wouldn't have been possible
without the funding." On July 24, San Francisco Mayor
Willie Brown will unveil a new educational campaign,
underwritten by the currently threatened funds, that
aims to encourage cyclists and motorists to "coexist"
better.

"What we've got now in San Francisco and many cities
across the country is the beginning of a good system,"
says Shahum. "But we're really kind of on a precipice
of making a sea change in the city, because what we're
close to building is a complete connected network of
bike lanes and passages, a chance to ride in dedicated
space."

It's not just the pedaling urbanites in San Francisco
who have benefited from the monies under the program.
Elementary school students who ride on the Shannon
Park-Ladd School Bike Path in Fairbanks, Alaska, and
bird-watchers in Texas on the Great Texas Coastal
Birding Trail, also enjoy the fruits of the program.

Among the thousands of projects the program has
supported are Denver's Bike-and-Ride Project, which
retrofitted buses with bike racks and provided bike
parking at bus stations. It also contributed $815,000
for the creation of a new pedestrian plaza as part of
the revitalization of Journal Square in Jersey City,
N.J.

Micah Swafford, press secretary for Rep. Ernest J.
Istook, R.-Okla., who chairs the subcommittee that
wrote the bill, argues that, with the prospect of a
$455 billion federal budget deficit and anticipating
declining revenues in the highway taxes that fund
transportation programs, the committee had to cut
something.

"It's more important to provide the basic funding for
roads, before you provide money for enhancements
whenever you're facing a shortfall," Swafford says,
citing Department of Transportation statistics that
there are 6,476 structurally deficient bridges on the
national highway system as one of the reasons that
highways were the subcommittee's priority.

But Rep. Istook put out a press release on Friday,
July 11, the day the bill made it out of the
subcommittee, bragging that "$518 million is headed to
Oklahoma!" leading one environmental lobbyist to
attribute the whole issue to "parochial Oklahoma
politics."

"Actually, it's kind of sad. He's basically
eviscerating these programs that are important to a
lot of other states for the sake of benefiting
Oklahoma," says Deron Lovaas, a lobbyist for the
Natural Resources Defense Council, another group
fighting the cuts.

The move by the transportation appropriations
subcommittee also represents a turf war between the
congressional appropriators and authorizers. The
current law governing all U.S. Department of
Transportation funding expires Sept. 30. But the
congressional authorizers, in charge of setting the
agenda that the appropriators then enact, have yet to
decide if they will extend the previous authorization
for another year, or revamp it entirely for the next
six-year term. In the ensuing vacuum, Rep. Istook and
crew have just gone ahead and set the transportation
agenda for fiscal 2004.

Groups opposed to the measure are lobbying members of
the larger Appropriations Committee, as well as other
members of Congress. But they think they'll have
better luck making the case in the Senate for spending
a fraction of highway dollars on bike paths.


- - - - - - - - - - - -

About the writer
Katharine Mieszkowski is a senior writer for Salon
Technology.

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Reminds me of gail's employer.  www.agedwards.com

I think it looks like a place for retired monkeywards employees

dan

7/22/2003, 1:07 PM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> http://www.powergenitalia.com/


KK> Karen


dan

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> Blue ink is superb.  I prefer it almost exclusively.  All my
> fountain pen cartridges are blue.

FWIW, I too prefer blue ink. And fine points.

Marie

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Betty:

At 06:26 AM 7/22/2003 -0700, John Williams wrote:
> > Please tell me that you weren't the one who put Master Carl in the
trunk!
> >
> > Betty
>
>     Was he bound and gagged?  No?  Then I wasn't the one who put him
there.
>8-)

>LOL.  He looked  pretty happy.

At his finest ...

We may find <our>selves bound and gagged in the trunk sometime ...

Carl just called me here and wanted me to bring him another Batman shirt;
apparently he was out of sorts that he didn't bring the one he already has
to his grandmother's this week ...

And, hey! It rained for a while here in the desert last night!

Amy, assuming the role of lounging housewife the past few days

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Karen:
> Congress to bikers: Get a car

Works for me.  As I've said before, this
sort of thing lines the linings of my
Montgomery-Burns-like lucre-stuffed
pockets.

And it's not as if I have kids to whom
I might care to leave natural resources
or breatheable air.

So I say to America: Shoehorn your fat
asses into your toxic boxes for that
three-block ride to Wendy's drive-up!

Vive le jus du dinosaur!

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Marie:
> FWIW, I too prefer blue ink. And fine points.

I like changing my ink colors.  I alternate
pens daily in my work notebooks.  I like the
way it looks, and it makes it easier to see
exactly what I've done on what day.

And, since we're testifying, I use unlined
notebooks (though I do like the graph paper
for my financial record-keeping [perhaps
becausemy old man used those for that, too]).

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On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>University of Southern Mississippi. In Hattiesburg.
>
>> Drove from where? NOLA? New Orleans _____ _____?
>
>Louisie anna.

Thank you also, Karen. (I have been reading messages out of order.)

Bethany

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Lynne Weber writes,

>Do you know if this would make Amazon comparable with
>Google as a research resource?

It would make Amazon a valuable resource (and more to the point, help sell
books), but comparing it to Google is apples and oranges.  A corpus of
hundreds of thousands of non-fiction book pages is very different from the
Google corpus of billions of interlinked web pages.

Pete

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> Blue ink Cross cartridges are almost impossible to
> find around here. It's
> frustrating.
>
> --Adam
> adamh1@comcast.net

Put in a standing order for them at an office supply
place.  They like to do that sort of thing.


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> Blue ink is superb.  I prefer it almost exclusively.  All my
> fountain pen cartridges are blue.

Oh good, I'm not alone. LOVE rich blue ink, especially on my ecru Crane
stationery.

Blue ink Cross cartridges are almost impossible to find around here. It's
frustrating.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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> It would make Amazon a valuable resource (and more
> to the point, help sell
> books), but comparing it to Google is apples and
> oranges.  A corpus of
> hundreds of thousands of non-fiction book pages is
> very different from the
> Google corpus of billions of interlinked web pages.
>
> Pete

Thank you for clarifying.


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>
> > Blue ink is superb.  I prefer it almost exclusively.  All my
> > fountain pen cartridges are blue.
>
> Oh good, I'm not alone. LOVE rich blue ink, especially on my ecru Crane
> stationery.
>
> Blue ink Cross cartridges are almost impossible to find around here. It's
> frustrating.
>
> --Adam

I think the color ink I prefer depends on the color of the paper or the
lines I'm writing on.

Sandra

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P.O.V.
The Flute Player
60 min.
Arn Chorn-Pond, who survived Cambodia's Khmer Rouge genocide as a child,
returns to his native land from his home in Massachusetts. His mission: “I'm
trying to keep our music alive,” he says, “because so much of our culture
has been destroyed.” Indeed, most Cambodian musicians were killed by the
Khmer Rouge, so Arn (ironically, he survived because his captors needed
someone to play propaganda songs) seeks out fellow survivors for his
Cambodian Master Performers Program. They're seen recording and teaching,
and recalling old horrors. Says Chek Mach, a successful opera singer who was
literally forced to sing for her supper during the Khmer Rouge era: “When
Pol Pot took over, everything stopped.”

Looks interesting.

Sandra

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From: "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
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I got to PF early today - and learned that four PF horses were killed by
lightning last night. Three of them were standing under the tree that was
hit, and they died instantly. The 4th was a few feet away. He was knocked
down and was clearly in shock but struggled for a bit - tried to get up.
He died very soon also.

And last week Destry, a great 29-year-old QH gelding, colicked and had to
be put down.

It reminded me of what happened after Wardly, my Anglo-Arabian, had to be
put down. Wardly was a retired high-level event horse who was given me to
learn from shortly after I started riding at PF. He taught me a lot. A few
weeks after he had to be put down (navicular), I dreamed that instead of
putting him down, I had brought him home with me (I was house-sitting in
Halls, in a very rural area). In my dream he was sound and I came home and
rode him - in secret - every afternoon.

It was a wonderful dream - and a few hours after I woke up, I realized
that the dream was true - I HAD brought Wardly home with me - i.e., i had
internalized him so that he would be with me the rest of my life - as he
is.

Two of the riders who lost horses are very close friends. To my delight,
each plans to buy another horse.

Maria is fine, though she, like the others in the herd, was a bit spooked
this morning. They would not leave the barn area. The dead horses were
still in the pasture, covered with tarps.

In fact, we were all a bit spooked this morning.

Bethany

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Today, the largest number of wussies, creeps and jackasses in
the Loop were wearing rich blue shirts, and black pants with
almost-invisible graph-paper lines! Love that rich blue!

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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:03:31 -0500
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On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> Maria is fine, though she, like the others in the herd, was a bit spooked
> this morning. They would not leave the barn area. The dead horses were
> still in the pasture, covered with tarps.

> In fact, we were all a bit spooked this morning.

Why did they leave the dead horses there?

Karen

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At 09:30 PM 7/22/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>I got to PF early today - and learned that four PF horses were killed by
>lightning last night. Three of them were standing under the tree that was
>hit, and they died instantly. The 4th was a few feet away. He was knocked
>down and was clearly in shock but struggled for a bit - tried to get up.
>He died very soon also.

Oh, how horrible!  Glad Maria is okay.

Betty

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> Maria is fine, though she, like the others in the
> herd, was a bit spooked
> this morning. They would not leave the barn area.
> The dead horses were
> still in the pasture, covered with tarps.
>
> In fact, we were all a bit spooked this morning.
>
> Bethany

I'm very sorry about the horses, but glad Maria is
fine.


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At 03:26 PM 7/22/2003 -0700, Amy Burns Short wrote:
>Carl just called me here and wanted me to bring him another Batman shirt;
>apparently he was out of sorts that he didn't bring the one he already has
>to his grandmother's this week ...
>
>And, hey! It rained for a while here in the desert last night!
>
>Amy, assuming the role of lounging housewife the past few days

Oh, I thought it was just a week end jaunt.  How much longer you staying?

Betty

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>
> I got to PF early today - and learned that four PF horses were killed by
> lightning last night. Three of them were standing under the tree that was
> hit, and they died instantly. The 4th was a few feet away. He was knocked
> down and was clearly in shock but struggled for a bit - tried to get up.
> He died very soon also.
>
> And last week Destry, a great 29-year-old QH gelding, colicked and had to
> be put down.
>
> It reminded me of what happened after Wardly, my Anglo-Arabian, had to be
> put down. Wardly was a retired high-level event horse who was given me to
> learn from shortly after I started riding at PF. He taught me a lot. A few
> weeks after he had to be put down (navicular), I dreamed that instead of
> putting him down, I had brought him home with me (I was house-sitting in
> Halls, in a very rural area). In my dream he was sound and I came home and
> rode him - in secret - every afternoon.
>
> It was a wonderful dream - and a few hours after I woke up, I realized
> that the dream was true - I HAD brought Wardly home with me - i.e., i had
> internalized him so that he would be with me the rest of my life - as he
> is.
>
> Two of the riders who lost horses are very close friends. To my delight,
> each plans to buy another horse.
>
> Maria is fine, though she, like the others in the herd, was a bit spooked
> this morning. They would not leave the barn area. The dead horses were
> still in the pasture, covered with tarps.
>
> In fact, we were all a bit spooked this morning.
>
> Bethany
>

I could never imagine such a thing. I haven't a clue about lightening. It
would never have occurred to me that things around,  or in this case, under
a tree that was struck, would  suffer let alone be struck dead. It's
horrifying and indeed sad.

Sandra

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> Today, the largest number of wussies, creeps and jackasses in
> the Loop were wearing rich blue shirts, and black pants with
> almost-invisible graph-paper lines! Love that rich blue!

What I really hate are corporate guys who wear colored button up shirts
(usually blue) with white collars. I watched the author of that Power of
Full Engagement book (on Charlie Rose) wear one with a greyish pinstripe
suit jacket. His ensemble completely distracted me from his comments. I was
less than fully engaged by him but the bits I heard, made a lot of sense.
I'd like to read the book. But I'm not sure it covers any new material or
new concepts. It may be a case of old concept/new packaging.

Sandra

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At 08:37 PM 7/22/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:

>What I really hate are corporate guys who wear colored button up shirts
>(usually blue) with white collars. I watched the author of that Power of
>Full Engagement book (on Charlie Rose) wear one with a greyish pinstripe
>suit jacket. His ensemble completely distracted me from his comments. I was
>less than fully engaged by him but the bits I heard, made a lot of sense.
>I'd like to read the book. But I'm not sure it covers any new material or
>new concepts. It may be a case of old concept/new packaging.

I had to do a double take today when I saw one of my gay friends dressed
liked a straight guy.  He said his wife dressed him today.

Betty

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02003-07-22 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > Today, the largest number of wussies, creeps and jackasses in
> > the Loop were wearing rich blue shirts, and black pants with
> > almost-invisible graph-paper lines! Love that rich blue!
>
> What I really hate are corporate guys who wear colored button up shirts
> (usually blue) with white collars. I watched the author of that Power of
> Full Engagement book (on Charlie Rose) wear one with a greyish pinstripe
> suit jacket. His ensemble completely distracted me from his comments. I was
> less than fully engaged by him but the bits I heard, made a lot of sense.
> I'd like to read the book. But I'm not sure it covers any new material or
> new concepts. It may be a case of old concept/new packaging.

You watch Charlie Rose? Man ... Anyway, one of the greatest devlopments
of this year is the complete abolition of the stying "swedish flag"
ensemble ... seeing another blue shirt/yellow tie would have physically
blinded me, but it's gone ...

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Hey Rita, sorry about Thursday. The TV's dead. $80 and 8 years
is not so bad, is it. I could get a new one, but I always take
a much longer time for these things. Besides, I am moving in
two weeks. We are like star crossed.

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> 02003-07-22 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > > Today, the largest number of wussies, creeps and jackasses in
> > > the Loop were wearing rich blue shirts, and black pants with
> > > almost-invisible graph-paper lines! Love that rich blue!
> >
> > What I really hate are corporate guys who wear colored button up shirts
> > (usually blue) with white collars. I watched the author of that Power of
> > Full Engagement book (on Charlie Rose) wear one with a greyish pinstripe
> > suit jacket. His ensemble completely distracted me from his
> comments. I was
> > less than fully engaged by him but the bits I heard, made a lot
> of sense.
> > I'd like to read the book. But I'm not sure it covers any new
> material or
> > new concepts. It may be a case of old concept/new packaging.
>
> You watch Charlie Rose?

WTF does that mean???

Sandra

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02003-07-22 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > You watch Charlie Rose?
>
> WTF does that mean???

Nothing much ... I am not so immature as to believe nobody
watches it, of course. But I have never ever experienced
10 contiguous interesting minutes on that show, and have
I concluded that the fault is in Charlie. Hence, it is
interesting for me to collect examples of people who
watch it. I will not ask what you like about it, since
it is an unanswerable question.

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> >
> > Maria is fine, though she, like the others in the herd, was a bit
spooked
> > this morning. They would not leave the barn area. The dead horses
were
> > still in the pasture, covered with tarps.
> >
> > In fact, we were all a bit spooked this morning.
> >
> > Bethany
> >
>
> I could never imagine such a thing. I haven't a clue about lightening.
It
> would never have occurred to me that things around,  or in this case,
under
> a tree that was struck, would  suffer let alone be struck dead. It's
> horrifying and indeed sad.
>
> Sandra

This happens to a lot of golfers who, when it begins to storm,
rather naturally go and stand under a tree.

                         - D. M.

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> > > You watch Charlie Rose?
> >
> > WTF does that mean???
>
> Nothing much ... I am not so immature as to believe nobody
> watches it, of course. But I have never ever experienced
> 10 contiguous interesting minutes on that show, and have
> I concluded that the fault is in Charlie. Hence, it is
> interesting for me to collect examples of people who
> watch it. I will not ask what you like about it, since
> it is an unanswerable question.

I am in agreement.  I am amazed when friends speak of
watching this show.  I've never made it longer than 5 min.

                              - D. M.

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14:33 17.07.2003 -1000 skrev Michael E. Macmillan:
>On 17 Jul 2003 at 18:44, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
>> What "captain of industry" supports useless jobs?
>
>Surely they must. It's the basis of Bush's economic plan.

I am still tired after the combination of some kind of virus last week - so I red this at first as "topless jobs".

Espen

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tushar Samant
>Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:44 AM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: TV with T-Bone
>
>
>Hey Rita, sorry about Thursday. The TV's dead. $80 and 8 years
>is not so bad, is it. I could get a new one, but I always take
>a much longer time for these things. Besides, I am moving in
>two weeks. We are like star crossed.
>

Trying to keep ahead of the INS?


alec

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Sorry to hear about this Bethany. I too am glad Maria is OK and hope your
friends will soon recover from their loss.

lisa

At 09:30 PM 7/22/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>I got to PF early today - and learned that four PF horses were killed by
>lightning last night. Three of them were standing under the tree that was
>hit, and they died instantly. The 4th was a few feet away. He was knocked
>down and was clearly in shock but struggled for a bit - tried to get up.
>He died very soon also.
>
>And last week Destry, a great 29-year-old QH gelding, colicked and had to
>be put down.
>
>It reminded me of what happened after Wardly, my Anglo-Arabian, had to be
>put down. Wardly was a retired high-level event horse who was given me to
>learn from shortly after I started riding at PF. He taught me a lot. A few
>weeks after he had to be put down (navicular), I dreamed that instead of
>putting him down, I had brought him home with me (I was house-sitting in
>Halls, in a very rural area). In my dream he was sound and I came home and
>rode him - in secret - every afternoon.
>
>It was a wonderful dream - and a few hours after I woke up, I realized
>that the dream was true - I HAD brought Wardly home with me - i.e., i had
>internalized him so that he would be with me the rest of my life - as he
>is.
>
>Two of the riders who lost horses are very close friends. To my delight,
>each plans to buy another horse.
>
>Maria is fine, though she, like the others in the herd, was a bit spooked
>this morning. They would not leave the barn area. The dead horses were
>still in the pasture, covered with tarps.
>
>In fact, we were all a bit spooked this morning.
>
>Bethany

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At 06:00 PM 7/22/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Marie:
> > FWIW, I too prefer blue ink. And fine points.
>
>I like changing my ink colors.  I alternate
>pens daily in my work notebooks.  I like the
>way it looks, and it makes it easier to see
>exactly what I've done on what day.
>
>And, since we're testifying, I use unlined
>notebooks (though I do like the graph paper
>for my financial record-keeping [perhaps
>becausemy old man used those for that, too]).

I'll weigh in on this topic...

I'm alternating between two pens on my desk and they couldn't be more
different.

I have a black papermate flex grip ultra fine and a blue uni-ball signo rt
gel.

For paper I have a lined notebook which I don't use much. Mostly I use
scrap paper (stuff I printed and no longer need or hand outs I was given
and never read) for notes to myself, build times and task lists.

At home I have a mont blanc pen which I love but have very little need for.
It was a graduation gift from my mother and sits in the brief case she also
gave me (I think it was her). I don't use the brief case for much more than
storing insurance papers, checks and a few other things I might want to get
at quickly.

Huh, I didn't know I had so much to say about this.

lisa

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At 09:11 PM 7/22/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>I had to do a double take today when I saw one of my gay friends dressed
>liked a straight guy.  He said his wife dressed him today.
>
>Betty

Well my "husband" has had enough of my wardrobe and has gently suggested we
go shopping.

Truth be told I've had enough of my wardrobe. Most of my clothes are too
big and I'm sick of rotating through the few things that do fit.

Despite my need, desire and prompting from Tina, I'm dreading shopping.
It's near impossible to find clothes I like that fit me. Regular cut
clothes are typically too small. The clothes in the woman's department are
usually too big.

All of my jeans are men's and most of my shirts and sweaters are too. I
started going the men's wear route when I couldn't find casual women's
clothes I liked. I'm tired of shopping in the men's department and find I'm
having the same problem as the women's department. Most of the cuts are too
big, particularly in the shoulders (coincidently women's clothes are too
small in the shoulders).

My plan is to go for a nice long workout tonight so that when we hit the
mall I'll be too tired to care what the results are.

lisa

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Tushar Samant:
= Today, the largest number of wussies, creeps and jackasses in
= the Loop were wearing rich blue shirts, and black pants with
= almost-invisible graph-paper lines! Love that rich blue!

And what were you wearing?

Besides, no one said you should wear it.

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At 10:47 PM 7/21/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>Well, I've had my first day back at work after vacation, and I am
>still relaxed, so it must have been a really good vacation.

That's how I felt when I returned to work on Monday.

Sounds like you had a fantastic trip. You certainly did make you way
through Europe, what a great itinerary! Thanks for taking us along for the
ride.

lisa

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Anyway, one of the
> greatest developments
> of this year is the complete abolition of the stying
> "swedish flag"
> ensemble ... seeing another blue shirt/yellow tie
> would have physically
> blinded me, but it's gone ...

Don't count on it.  Swedish flag attire is nearly as
durable as a Twinkie thread.


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On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>> It simply takes time to get the earth-moving >> equipment out there or
to >> transport the bodies to the vet school. Horses weigh
>> about 1200 lbs. You >> don't grab a shovel or throw them in the trunk.
>
>Thank you for stating the obvious.

The credit belongs to Karen - for asking me to state it.

Bethany

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7/23/2003, 8:50 AM, Lynne Weber wrote:

>> It simply takes time to get the earth-moving
>> equipment out there or to
>> transport the bodies to the vet school. Horses weigh
>> about 1200 lbs. You
>> don't grab a shovel or throw them in the trunk.
>>
>> Bethany

LW> Thank you for stating the obvious.

But it WASN'T obvious to the person who asked....which doesn't
surprise me....

dan

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On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> Hey Rita, sorry about Thursday. The TV's dead. $80 and 8 years
> is not so bad, is it. I could get a new one, but I always take
> a much longer time for these things. Besides, I am moving in
> two weeks. We are like star crossed.

I don't understand why he couldn't find a place to watch this with you,
Rita.  Jeez he knows enough bars.  He could take a lap top to one of them
- don't you think ONE of them would be showing this show that I don't
remember the name of but we're going to videotape so I can watch it?

Ann

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On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 04:32:07 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
wrote:

>02003-07-22 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
>> > You watch Charlie Rose?
>>
>> WTF does that mean???
>
>Nothing much ... I am not so immature as to believe nobody
>watches it, of course. But I have never ever experienced
>10 contiguous interesting minutes on that show, and have
>I concluded that the fault is in Charlie. Hence, it is
>interesting for me to collect examples of people who
>watch it. I will not ask what you like about it, since
>it is an unanswerable question.

Stbex is fascinated by it; I can't watch even 10 minutes.
and on a related topic (boring Tushar), I am coming to
Chicago in November.
clo

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02003-07-23 | "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> writes:
> >Hey Rita, sorry about Thursday. The TV's dead. $80 and 8 years
> >is not so bad, is it. I could get a new one, but I always take
> >a much longer time for these things. Besides, I am moving in
> >two weeks. We are like star crossed.
>
> Trying to keep ahead of the INS?

A partially paralyzed snail can keep ahead of the INS ...

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02003-07-23 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > Hey Rita, sorry about Thursday. The TV's dead. $80 and 8 years
> > is not so bad, is it. I could get a new one, but I always take
> > a much longer time for these things. Besides, I am moving in
> > two weeks. We are like star crossed.
>
> I don't understand why he couldn't find a place to watch this with you,
> Rita.  Jeez he knows enough bars.  He could take a lap top to one of them
> - don't you think ONE of them would be showing this show that I don't
> remember the name of but we're going to videotape so I can watch it?

Yes, ANN, I know an ENORMOUS number of bars which show "queer makeover"
on a wide screen TV! There's one on every corner! Half of them's got to
have network connections too!

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>Oh, I thought it was just a week end jaunt.  How much longer you staying?

>Betty
 
Until Sunday.
 
AS

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On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Hey Rita, sorry about Thursday. The TV's dead. $80 and 8 years
> is not so bad, is it. I could get a new one, but I always take
> a much longer time for these things. Besides, I am moving in
> two weeks. We are like star crossed.

Where are you moving to? And why?

Karen

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On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>>I suggest a personal shopper. They are available, often at no
>>extra cost,
>>at many stores - Nordstrom's is my favorite. We don't have one in
>>Knoxville, but when I go to Atlanta, I intend to esablish a
>>relationship
>>with a Nordstrom's personal shopper there.
>>
>Posting rich. Our Nordstrom's is pretty expensive. The quality is nice, but
>the prices are crazy. I am only guessing, Nordstrom's is not Lisa's style or
>budget. Also, no stores in Boston.

Interesting, Nordstrom's is far less expensive for me than Parisian,
Proffitt's, etc. Also, once one has established a pesonla shopper
relationship, one can shop by phone or internet - or have items sent on
approval.

Bethany

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
>
>>Hey Rita, sorry about Thursday. The TV's dead. $80 and 8 years
>>is not so bad, is it. I could get a new one, but I always take
>>a much longer time for these things. Besides, I am moving in
>>two weeks. We are like star crossed.
>>
>
> I don't understand why he couldn't find a place to watch this with you,
> Rita.  Jeez he knows enough bars.  He could take a lap top to one of them
> - don't you think ONE of them would be showing this show that I don't
> remember the name of but we're going to videotape so I can watch it?


        What can I say? The romance is gone....




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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> And, since we're testifying, I use unlined
> notebooks (though I do like the graph paper
> for my financial record-keeping [perhaps
> becausemy old man used those for that, too]).

I'm a big fan of black and white composition books.

Marie

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Marie:
> I'm a big fan of black and white composition books.

NO. 77479
Roaring Spring, PA     MADE IN USA

"Recycle For Our Future"

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On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Why did they leave the dead horses there?

> It simply takes time to get the earth-moving equipment out there or to
> transport the bodies to the vet school.

I would have thought these would be a higher priority, that's all.

>  Horses weigh about 1200 lbs. You
> don't grab a shovel or throw them in the trunk.

But they look so small from the car!

Karen

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On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
> I'm alternating between two pens on my desk and they couldn't be more
> different.

> I have a black papermate flex grip ultra fine and a blue uni-ball signo rt
> gel.

Am I the only one who uses purple, green, and pink?

Karen

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sandra wrote:

>>02003-07-22 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
>>
>>>>You watch Charlie Rose?
>>>>
>>>WTF does that mean???
>>>
>>Nothing much ... I am not so immature as to believe nobody
>>watches it, of course. But I have never ever experienced
>>10 contiguous interesting minutes on that show, and have
>>I concluded that the fault is in Charlie.
>>
>
> No surprise. You're part of the MTV generation. It would be a surprise if
> you could sustain interest in anything for longer than 10 continuous
> minutes. It's not your fault...



        Sandra, you are completely full of shit.



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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
>
>>I'm alternating between two pens on my desk and they couldn't be more
>>different.
>>
>
>>I have a black papermate flex grip ultra fine and a blue uni-ball signo rt
>>gel.
>>
>
> Am I the only one who uses purple, green, and pink?


        I use purple and green to grade papers -- it's very hard
finding a good, bold shade of green, though.



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On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>>> It simply takes time to get the earth-moving >> equipment out there or
to >>> transport the bodies to the vet school. Horses weigh
>>> about 1200 lbs. You >> don't grab a shovel or throw them in the trunk.
>>
>>Thank you for stating the obvious.

> The credit belongs to Karen - for asking me to state it.

You give me far too much credit, Bethany. This one's all yours.

Karen

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Rita:
> > No surprise. You're part of the MTV generation. It would be a surprise if
> > you could sustain interest in anything for longer than 10 continuous
> > minutes. It's not your fault...
>         Sandra, you are completely full of shit.

And, anyway, Tushar said "contiguous",
not "continuous".

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That worked great!
Thanks for not saying interesting things while I was gone.

clo

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On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         I use purple and green to grade papers -- it's very hard
> finding a good, bold shade of green, though.

The one I like is a Pilot Vball, extra fine.

Karen

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On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
> I'm a big fan of black and white composition books.

I like the colored ones, but I have black and white ones. (Just
started a new one last weekend for my professional organization.)

Karen

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At 08:26 PM 7/21/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>Sweet vindication! I couldn't stand it. It was one of those movies which
>after it ended, I thought, "Well, there's three hours of my life I'll never
>get back."

Three hours of ass numbing bullshit is how I refer to Magnolia. I hated
every moment of that film. It's also what pushed me over the edge and made
me hate Tom Cruise.

lisa


>--Adam
>adamh1@comcast.net
>Try "Donnie Darko" instead! Bizarre but good.

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02003-07-23 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Where are you moving to? And why?

To a DELIGHTFUL neighborhood!

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At 10:47 AM 7/23/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> >Despite my need, desire and prompting from Tina, I'm dreading shopping.
> >It's near impossible to find clothes I like that fit me. Regular cut
> >clothes are typically too small. The clothes in the woman's department are
> >usually too big.
>
>I suggest a personal shopper. They are available, often at no extra cost,
>at many stores - Nordstrom's is my favorite. We don't have one in
>Knoxville, but when I go to Atlanta, I intend to esablish a relationship
>with a Nordstrom's personal shopper there.
>
>Bethany

Good suggestion but not one I'm likely to use. For some reason I don't like
the idea of having one.

Thanks though...

lisa

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On 22 Jul 2003 at 10:19, Espen S. Ore wrote:

> I am still tired after the combination of some kind of virus last week
> - so I red this at first as "topless jobs".

I'm sure every captain of industry supports those. Not to mention the
lieutenants and all the others as well.

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At 11:17 AM 7/23/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>Posting rich. Our Nordstrom's is pretty expensive. The quality is nice, but
>the prices are crazy. I am only guessing, Nordstrom's is not Lisa's style
>or budget. Also, no stores in Boston.

You'd probably be surprised by what I really like and maybe even by what I
can afford.

lisa

>alec

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>
>My plan is to go for a nice long workout tonight so that when we hit the
>mall I'll be too tired to care what the results are.
>
>lisa

Dockers make some nice women's pants now.  Two way stretch. I like them and
they are very comfortable.

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7/23/2003, 10:14 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

>> It simply takes time to get the earth-moving equipment out there or to
>> transport the bodies to the vet school.

KK> I would have thought these would be a higher priority, that's all.

Why?  They're not going anywhere.

Also, that equipment isn't just sitting around in wait for a horse to
croak.


dan

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7/23/2003, 10:15 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

>> I have a black papermate flex grip ultra fine and a blue uni-ball signo rt
>> gel.

KK> Am I the only one who uses purple, green, and pink?

  I hope so.

dan

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> At 08:26 PM 7/21/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >Sweet vindication! I couldn't stand it. It was one of those movies which
> >after it ended, I thought, "Well, there's three hours of my life I'll never
> >get back."
>
> Three hours of ass numbing bullshit is how I refer to Magnolia. I hated
> every moment of that film. It's also what pushed me over the edge and made
> me hate Tom Cruise.
>
> lisa

The first time I saw Magnolia, I wanted to a) find an usher or
other theatre attendant and barf on his shoes and/or
b) never have a relationship with a male again, just on the
principle that it was a male that dragged me to the most
revolting damn movies ever made.

Then I passed it on a shelf <for sale> in a grocery store, and
impulse bought it, <watched it by myself> , then took it to
my parents' house and <made my mother watch it>. It's
bizarre shit. I hate it. and I love it. The thing is, the stupid
frogs have nothing to do with anything. They're cover. The
last line the cop says is everything. After you see that, then
you can see the rest of the story and understand it all.

But Tom Cruise still makes me nauseous.

clo

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At 09:08 AM 7/23/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> > 02003-07-22 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > > > You watch Charlie Rose?
> > >
> > > WTF does that mean???
> >
> > Nothing much ... I am not so immature as to believe nobody
> > watches it, of course. But I have never ever experienced
> > 10 contiguous interesting minutes on that show, and have
> > I concluded that the fault is in Charlie.
>
>No surprise. You're part of the MTV generation. It would be a surprise if
>you could sustain interest in anything for longer than 10 continuous
>minutes. It's not your fault....nor is it Charlie's. My favorite Rose moment
>was when he interviewed a scientist (name escapes me, but he was ultra
>fascinating). The guy wore a pony tail and comfy but nice clothing. In an
>effort to be more in line with his guest, Charlie had undone his tie and had
>removed his shoes and you could see his barefeet under the table. It made me
>like him even more.
>
>I can watch him forever.
>
>Sandra

I'm of the MTV generation and I sat still long enough to finish reading
your post. Having done so I've come to the conclusion you're a snob and
Charlie Rose is still boring!

lisa

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On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>>>Thank you for stating the obvious.
>>
>>> The credit belongs to Karen - for asking me to state it.
>>
>>You give me far too much credit, Bethany. This one's all yours.

> Not me, Coach. I will not accept your handoff.

a) I am not your coach.
b) I handed off nothing to you; you created it out of whole cloth, all
on your own. The credit is all yours, as is the fantasy.

Karen

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On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
> If Ann Taylor could widen their waists and shoulders a bit more that's
> where I'd shop.

If that's the case, then maybe Nordstrom's would be a good choice.

I wouldn't dismiss the idea of a personal shopper too quickly; I
understand that it's a weird idea, but it would mean NOT having to
shop yourself. The p.s. would do the tiresome first pass through.
I do think that you have a fairly clear idea of what you want, and
that makes the personal shopping experience easier. The problem, of
course, is finding someone you like. But I think it's doable.

Karen

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On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, Dan Lester wrote:
> 7/23/2003, 10:14 AM, Karen Kay wrote:
>>> It simply takes time to get the earth-moving equipment out there or to
>>> transport the bodies to the vet school.

KK>> I would have thought these would be a higher priority, that's all.

> Why?  They're not going anywhere.

Duh. Because of exactly what happened. But clearly this is more of an
issue for the horses than the people.

> Also, that equipment isn't just sitting around in wait for a horse to
> croak.

It's sitting around waiting somewhere, I bet. I mean, they didn't have
to manufacture it specifically for this situation.

Karen

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At 01:45 PM 7/23/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> > At 08:26 PM 7/21/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> > >Sweet vindication! I couldn't stand it. It was one of those movies which
> > >after it ended, I thought, "Well, there's three hours of my life I'll
> never
> > >get back."
> >
> > Three hours of ass numbing bullshit is how I refer to Magnolia. I hated
> > every moment of that film. It's also what pushed me over the edge and made
> > me hate Tom Cruise.
> >
> > lisa
>
>The first time I saw Magnolia, I wanted to a) find an usher or
>other theatre attendant and barf on his shoes and/or
>b) never have a relationship with a male again, just on the
>principle that it was a male that dragged me to the most
>revolting damn movies ever made.
>
>Then I passed it on a shelf <for sale> in a grocery store, and
>impulse bought it, <watched it by myself> , then took it to
>my parents' house and <made my mother watch it>. It's
>bizarre shit. I hate it. and I love it. The thing is, the stupid
>frogs have nothing to do with anything. They're cover. The
>last line the cop says is everything. After you see that, then
>you can see the rest of the story and understand it all.
>
>But Tom Cruise still makes me nauseous.
>
>clo

Wow, I could tell you were a strong woman when I met you, Clo. I never
imagined you were so strong you could sit through that movie 3 times.

After seeing it and talking about it I asked, "and what the fuck was that
with the frogs". Someone told me it was a biblical reference. Whether or
not that's true I still didn't get why it was in the movie. All I know is
that it nearly put me over the edge. Not only was it slimy gross but by the
time it happened I was definitely ready for the movie to end and didn't
need it

Of course I don't remember the last line.

What pushed me over the edge was the Tom Cruise monologue. In every one of
his movies there comes a point when his voice gets loud, his gestures sharp
and his pacing dizzying. He spews out some shit that's supposed to rivot us
to our seats and make us think he's the greatest, cutest, actor out there.
Instead it makes me squirm with anticipation for the moment the bullshit
ends and the movie continues.

I haven't seen a TC movie since this mess and can't imagine going to one.

lisa

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=
= Sounds like you had a fantastic trip. You certainly did make you way
= through Europe, what a great itinerary! Thanks for taking us along for the
= ride.
=
= lisa


I'm glad you liked it.

Got the second round of film back today.  Some of them came out
better than others.  Mostly the sky is so bright in the pictures
that it's white not blue.

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On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>a) I am not your coach.
>b) I handed off nothing to you; you created it out of whole cloth, all
>on your own. The credit is all yours, as is the fantasy.

You are really full of it today!

Behtany

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On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>a) I am not your coach.
>>b) I handed off nothing to you; you created it out of whole cloth, all
>>on your own. The credit is all yours, as is the fantasy.

> You are really full of it today!

> Behtany

Thank you!

Karen

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> >Wow, I could tell you were a strong woman when I met you, Clo. I never
> >imagined you were so strong you could sit through that movie 3 times.
>
> >>The thing is, the stupid
> >>frogs have nothing to do with anything. They're cover. The
> >>last line the cop says is everything. After you see that, then
> >>you can see the rest of the story and understand it all.
> >After seeing it and talking about it I asked, "and what the fuck was that
> >with the frogs". Someone told me it was a biblical reference. Whether or
> >not that's true I still didn't get why it was in the movie. All I know is
> >that it nearly put me over the edge. Not only was it slimy gross but by the
> >time it happened I was definitely ready for the movie to end and didn't
> >need it

Biblical? Pfffuh! Well, there are plagues of frogs in the bible, and that
no doubt fuels the urban legends of frogs being scooped up by whirlwinds
and then being deposited when it rains, as well as the stupid myth of the
scuba diver picked up by a firefighting plane and impaled in a pine and
the equally false suicide by murder when the parents fight, both of which
are Snopsed.

> >Of course I don't remember the last line.

Ah. The punch line (a non-quote, merely the sense of  the line - to get it
right I would have to watch it <again>!) is that the cop, (re the girl
he loves who has tried to kill herself after her parents' marriage broke up
when mom discovered dad raped his daughter repeatedly over the years,
and his helping Sad Old Quiz Boy conceal the crime of theft after he
fell and lost the teeth he embezzled money to get braces in order to be
more like the boytoy bartender he fell in love with, not to mention losing
a gun that was used in a violent crime later)
asks,

"What can we forgive?"

and in the cheesiness and failures of life, which are <WELL> represented
in the movie as well as in people I meet every day and in myself,
this is the most germane question I have ever run across.
clo

> >What pushed me over the edge was the Tom Cruise monologue. In every one of
> >his movies there comes a point when his voice gets loud, his gestures sharp
> >and his pacing dizzying. He spews out some shit that's supposed to rivot us
> >to our seats and make us think he's the greatest, cutest, actor out there.
> >Instead it makes me squirm with anticipation for the moment the bullshit
> >ends and the movie continues.
>
>
> >>But Tom Cruise still makes me nauseous.
> >
> >>clo
>
> >I haven't seen a TC movie since this mess and can't imagine going to one.
>
> >lisa

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zombie pirate monkey wrote:

> Hey Kristin, does the name Lauri Aus mean
> anything to you?

Oh, yes. Although I do not follow sports pages in newspapers and am only
rarely interested in sportsmen's results I know his name for long. Only
lately his smiling face was on photographs in newspapers, I guess
because he had overcome some of his diseases or injuries and was going
to take part of Tour de France.

Those drunken drivers...!

Kristin

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On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>Thank you!

nada.

Bethany

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On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>Thank you!

> nada.

LOL.

Karen

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Adam, on "In the Bedroom":

>Sweet vindication! I couldn't stand it. It was one of those movies which
>after it ended, I thought, "Well, there's three hours of my life I'll never
>get back."

I hated it too, it was so bad. Three wasted hours, $9.50 down the drain etc.
etc.

Speaking of which, I'm looking forward to Mel Gibson's new film purely
for the controversies it's bound to set off. Any of you following the story?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26264-2003Jul22.html

|Movie star Mel Gibson -- under fire from Jewish groups and religious
scholars for his still-unreleased film |that graphically portrays the
crucifixion of Jesus -- yesterday screened a two-hour rough cut of "The
|Passion" for a select group of Washington pundits, clergymen, cybergossip
Matt Drudge and Hollywood |lobbyist Jack Valenti, and at least one White
House staffer.
|
|"I've heard people talking about how I can't get a distributor," the
casually dressed Gibson -- sporting |sweat pants, sandals and white socks --
told the four dozen audience members. "Believe me, I can get |a
distributor."
|
|A vocal conservative and devout Catholic, the 47-year-old Academy Award
winner has weathered |accusations of anti-Semitism for the movie, which is
being produced by his company, Icon Productions. |The influential
Anti-Defamation League, which monitors incidents of anti-Semitism, has been
especially |critical, pointing out on its Web site the long historical
relationship between passion plays and attacks |on Jews: "ADL has serious
concerns regarding Mr. Gibson's 'The Passion' and asks: Will the final
version |of 'The Passion' continue to portray Jews as blood-thirsty,
sadistic and money-hungry enemies of |Jesus? Will it correct the unambiguous
depiction of Jews as the ones responsible for the suffering and |crucifixion
of Jesus?"
|
|Yesterday's secret screening at the Motion Picture Association of America
included columnists Peggy |Noonan, Cal Thomas and Kate O'Beirne;
conservative essayist Michael Novak; President Bush's abortive |nominee for
labor secretary, Linda Chavez; staff director Mark Rodgers of the Senate
Republican |conference chaired by Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.); former
Republican House member Mark Siljander of |Michigan; and White House staffer
David Kuo, deputy director of the Office of Faith-Based and |Community
Initiatives.
|
|"I find this sad," said ADL National Director Abraham Foxman, who hasn't
been permitted to see the |movie. "Here's a man who appeals to the mass
audience, but he feels he has to surround himself with |a cordon sanitaire
of people who back him theologically and maybe ideologically and will stand
up and |be supportive when the time comes. My request still stands: I would
like to see the movie, and if it |turns out I was wrong, I'll be the first
to say so."
|
|Yesterday when the lights came up, many in the audience -- who were
required to sign a |confidentiality agreement before being admitted to the
screening room -- were in tears. Some were |sobbing, we hear.
|
|"Heartbreaking," Michael Novak told Gibson. "The Exorcist" author William
Peter Blatty called the |movie "a tremendous depiction of evil." MPAA
President Valenti was perhaps the most enthusiastic. "I |don't see what the
controversy is all about," he told fellow audience members. "This is a
compelling |piece of art. I just called Kirk Douglas and told him that this
is the movie to beat."
|
|Another invitee, right-wing radio host Laura Ingraham, flew here from San
Francisco to see the film but |arrived too late and missed it. "I'm so
bummed," Ingraham told us. "I want to see any movie that |drives the
anti-Christian entertainment elite crazy."

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Ann Borkin wrote:

>On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
>
>>Hey Rita, sorry about Thursday. The TV's dead. $80 and 8 years
>>is not so bad, is it. I could get a new one, but I always take
>>a much longer time for these things. Besides, I am moving in
>>two weeks. We are like star crossed.
>>
>
>I don't understand why he couldn't find a place to watch this with you,
>Rita.  Jeez he knows enough bars.  He could take a lap top to one of them
>- don't you think ONE of them would be showing this show that I don't
>remember the name of but we're going to videotape so I can watch it?

I can't figure out if Borkin wants to play voyeur or join Rita and Tushar
as third wheel.

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>Got the second round of film back today.  Some of them came out
>better than others.  Mostly the sky is so bright in the pictures
>that it's white not blue.

Looking forward to your posting the web site.  :-)

Great trip.

Betty

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Rashmi -
> Speaking of which, I'm looking forward to Mel Gibson's new film purely
> for the controversies it's bound to set off. Any of you following the
story?

Yes.  I am interested also to see the movie and also
to follow people's reactions to it.

                 - D. M.

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02003-07-23 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Ann Borkin wrote:
> >On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> >>Hey Rita, sorry about Thursday. The TV's dead. $80 and 8 years
> >>is not so bad, is it. I could get a new one, but I always take
> >>a much longer time for these things. Besides, I am moving in
> >>two weeks. We are like star crossed.
> >>
> >
> >I don't understand why he couldn't find a place to watch this with you,
> >Rita.  Jeez he knows enough bars.  He could take a lap top to one of them
> >- don't you think ONE of them would be showing this show that I don't
> >remember the name of but we're going to videotape so I can watch it?
>
> I can't figure out if Borkin wants to play voyeur or join Rita and Tushar
> as third wheel.

Borkin wants to annoy me and edge me out ...

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> At 08:26 PM 7/21/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >Sweet vindication! I couldn't stand it. It was one of those movies which
> >after it ended, I thought, "Well, there's three hours of my life
> I'll never
> >get back."
>
> Three hours of ass numbing bullshit is how I refer to Magnolia. I hated
> every moment of that film. It's also what pushed me over the edge and made
> me hate Tom Cruise.
>
> lisa
>
>
> >--Adam


I liked it. Last night I watched LAUREL CANYON. It was enjoyable enough.
I've also just brought home FIVE EASY PIECES, THE BICYCLE THIEF, and
RASHOMON for viewing.

Sandra

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> At 09:08 AM 7/23/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> > > 02003-07-22 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > > > > You watch Charlie Rose?
> > > >
> > > > WTF does that mean???
> > >
> > > Nothing much ... I am not so immature as to believe nobody
> > > watches it, of course. But I have never ever experienced
> > > 10 contiguous interesting minutes on that show, and have
> > > I concluded that the fault is in Charlie.
> >
> >No surprise. You're part of the MTV generation. It would be a surprise if
> >you could sustain interest in anything for longer than 10 continuous
> >minutes. It's not your fault....nor is it Charlie's. My favorite
> Rose moment
> >was when he interviewed a scientist (name escapes me, but he was ultra
> >fascinating). The guy wore a pony tail and comfy but nice clothing. In an
> >effort to be more in line with his guest, Charlie had undone his
> tie and had
> >removed his shoes and you could see his barefeet under the
> table. It made me
> >like him even more.
> >
> >I can watch him forever.
> >
> >Sandra
>
> I'm of the MTV generation and I sat still long enough to finish reading
> your post. Having done so I've come to the conclusion you're a snob and
> Charlie Rose is still boring!
>
> lisa

If it took you longer than ten minutes to read my post, I suggest you
contact SCORE.

Sandra

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> On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >a) I am not your coach.
> >b) I handed off nothing to you; you created it out of whole cloth, all
> >on your own. The credit is all yours, as is the fantasy.
>
> You are really full of it today!
>
> Behtany

Gee, Karen, maybe you and I should compete for the Who Is Most Full Of It
award.

Sandra

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Sandra writes,

>Most of it stems from the bible quote (John 3:16 or something) that shows up
>a few times in the film.

Exodus 8:2, "And if thou refuse to let them go, behold, I will smite all
thy borders with frogs" / "sin autem nolueris dimittere ecce ego percutiam
omnes terminos tuos ranis".

15+ references to 8 and 2 are made in the film:
http://us.imdb.com/Trivia?0175880
http://minerwerks.tripod.com/ew/magnolia.html

Pete

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02003-07-23 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > Nothing much ... I am not so immature as to believe nobody
> > watches it, of course. But I have never ever experienced
> > 10 contiguous interesting minutes on that show, and have
> > I concluded that the fault is in Charlie.
>
> No surprise. You're part of the MTV generation. It would be a surprise
> if you could sustain interest in anything for longer than 10 continuous
> minutes.

I didn't watch TV until I was about 10, and I haven't watched any
MTV since then ... But is that relevant to the clear fact that Charlie
is a total bore? Even Charlie wouldn't blame his dullness on MTV ...
Huh!

> It's not your fault....nor is it Charlie's. My favorite Rose moment
> was when he interviewed a scientist (name escapes me, but he was ultra
> fascinating). The guy wore a pony tail and comfy but nice clothing. In
> an effort to be more in line with his guest, Charlie had undone his tie
> and had removed his shoes and you could see his barefeet under the table.
> It made me like him even more.
>
> I can watch him forever.

I once again ask you to reconsider anything and everything that makes
you "like a guy", SANDRA! That's like an amazingly creepy move Charlie
laid ...

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02003-07-23 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> The first time I saw Magnolia, I wanted to a) find an usher
> or other theatre attendant and barf on his shoes and/or
> b) never have a relationship with a male again, just on the
> principle that it was a male that dragged me to the most
> revolting damn movies ever made.

You are overreacting. Try Jackass: The Movie ...

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02003-07-23 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Speaking of which, I'm looking forward to Mel Gibson's new film purely
> for the controversies it's bound to set off. Any of you following the story?
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26264-2003Jul22.html

Sounds like it came out a hankering for nice, idyllic, no big deal
"controversies" of the 90s ... you want to be part of that?

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02003-07-23 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> and on a related topic (boring Tushar), I am coming to
> Chicago in November.

What's this got to do with me?

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02003-07-23 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-07-23 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >>Ann Borkin wrote:
> >>>On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Hey Rita, sorry about Thursday. The TV's dead. $80 and 8 years
> >>>>is not so bad, is it. I could get a new one, but I always take
> >>>>a much longer time for these things. Besides, I am moving in
> >>>>two weeks. We are like star crossed.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>I don't understand why he couldn't find a place to watch this with you,
> >>>Rita.  Jeez he knows enough bars.  He could take a lap top to one of them
> >>>- don't you think ONE of them would be showing this show that I don't
> >>>remember the name of but we're going to videotape so I can watch it?
> >>>
> >>I can't figure out if Borkin wants to play voyeur or join Rita and Tushar
> >>as third wheel.
> >>
> >
> >Borkin wants to annoy me and edge me out ...
>
>
>        She may succeed.

No, YOU succeeded already, ICE QUEEN!

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On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, sandra wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> >a) I am not your coach.
>> >b) I handed off nothing to you; you created it out of whole cloth, all
>> >on your own. The credit is all yours, as is the fantasy.
>>
>> You are really full of it today!
>>
>> Behtany

> Gee, Karen, maybe you and I should compete for the Who Is Most Full Of It
> award.

> Sandra

That's okay, you can have it.

Karen

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In a message dated 7/23/2003 4:45:28 PM Central Daylight Time, cwv@PANAX.COM
writes:
<<
Last night I watched Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy---all six episodes, with
Alec Guinness, Ian Richardson, Beryl Reid, and the rest of that great
cast.
>>

Where did you get this?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
Alec Guinness rocked!

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02003-07-23 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > We want a fight!
>
> I think you should offer to buy Carolyn a Cosmopolitan.

That won't help--it makes them kind of ... friendly

Besides, Charlie Trotter's doesn't serve it.

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02003-07-23 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 02:09 PM 7/23/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
>
> >I can see this.  I'm not so sure about the martian part though,
> >but salad indeed.
>
> I loved the description. People passing probably want to eat him.

I said GREEN ... who the hell wants to eat anything green? This
isn't California

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On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-07-23 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > We want a fight!
>>
>> I think you should offer to buy Carolyn a Cosmopolitan.

> That won't help--it makes them kind of ... friendly

> Besides, Charlie Trotter's doesn't serve it.

Then buy her a pomegranate whatsis--Lisa will remember. Those were
VERY good.

Karen

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02003-07-23 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >My plan is to go for a nice long workout tonight so that when we hit the
> >mall I'll be too tired to care what the results are.
>
> Dockers make some nice women's pants now.  Two way stretch. I like them
> and they are very comfortable.

Please get some uncomfortable and less stretchy pants. These sound LAME

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02003-07-23 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> > > > You watch Charlie Rose?
> > >
> > > WTF does that mean???
> >
> > Nothing much ... I am not so immature as to believe nobody
> > watches it, of course. But I have never ever experienced
> > 10 contiguous interesting minutes on that show, and have
> > I concluded that the fault is in Charlie. Hence, it is
> > interesting for me to collect examples of people who
> > watch it. I will not ask what you like about it, since
> > it is an unanswerable question.
>
> I am in agreement.  I am amazed when friends speak of
> watching this show.  I've never made it longer than 5 min.

I must say I am gratified by all the flaming this nasty boring
man has gotten on this service. I am almost about to resubscribe.

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I walk in to the, whatsname, break room, and hear--

"I don't know why, but I watch it all the time"

"My friend's roommate says, all women want to be those women"

Wow! If I had only heard enough to know it was a "reality"
show, I'd have said:

"Yeah and producers have realized they can make a fine show
without paying writers!"

thus completing the finely balanced tryptich.

That roommate's friend must be pretty smart, huh! It's stimulating
conversations like this that keep me coming to work day after day...

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> I need to think of a couple of thank you/housewarming gifts.
>   Any suggestions?

Cornflower Corningware. Pairs of Waterford goblets.

--Adam
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On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>02003-07-23 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
>> and on a related topic (boring Tushar), I am coming to
>> Chicago in November.
>
>What's this got to do with me?

Carolyn, backchannel me and I'll tell you how to get Tush to meet you at a
place of your choice.

Bethany

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At 07:28 PM 7/23/2003 -0400, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>Last night I watched Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy---all six episodes, with
>Alec Guinness, Ian Richardson, Beryl Reid, and the rest of that great
>cast.
> >>
>
>Where did you get this?

It's available from Signals---one of the catalog outfits that features
PBS-type stuff.  I've been waiting for years for it, because I neglected to
tape it when it aired.  It finally was released early this year---3
CDs.  Magic.

For all I know, Amazon may have it now.

cwv

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At 06:41 PM 7/23/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-07-23 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > >My plan is to go for a nice long workout tonight so that when we hit the
> > >mall I'll be too tired to care what the results are.
> >
> > Dockers make some nice women's pants now.  Two way stretch. I like them
> > and they are very comfortable.
>
>Please get some uncomfortable and less stretchy pants. These sound LAME

Yeah, no green ones.  Boring colors like black, beige.

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In a message dated 7/23/2003 7:07:42 PM Central Daylight Time, cwv@PANAX.COM
writes:
<<
It's available from Signals---one of the catalog outfits that features
PBS-type stuff.  I've been waiting for years for it, because I neglected to
tape it when it aired.  It finally was released early this year---3
CDs.  Magic.

For all I know, Amazon may have it now.

>>

I'll put it on my Christmas wish list.  That, and a Powdermilk Biscuits
T-shirt.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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> Then buy her a pomegranate whatsis--Lisa will remember. Those were
> VERY good.
>
> Karen

They were pomegranate martinis.

--Adam
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who wishes he'd gotten that lobster dish that L & QLT got

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> Subject: What Happened
>
>
> to Natalie.  Where is she?
>
>           - D. M.

She unsubscribed again.

--Adam
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02003-07-23 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant:
> = Today, the largest number of wussies, creeps and jackasses in
> = the Loop were wearing rich blue shirts, and black pants with
> = almost-invisible graph-paper lines! Love that rich blue!
>
> And what were you wearing?

A greenish yellow shirt with brown pictures of elk and things,
and green pants with, what you call them, "cargo" pockets. And
the cammy-looking belt I bought in New York. Yet, this was so
cunningly contrived that nobody could mistake me for the Hulk
even with my ghastly green stubble. It was a pleasing symphony
in martian-carnage. T Bone thinks! These are still salad days

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Thanks, all, for the kind words about Maria.

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

>This happens to a lot of golfers who, when it begins to storm,
>rather naturally go and stand under a tree.

I can now imagine that. Also, apparently the root system is a transmitter.
That may be what zapped Brooks - he was several feet from the tree, but
the tree was huge so had an enormous root system. I will never again stand
under or near a tree in a storm. I will also dismount sooner in the
future if I am riding and a storm develops.

Bethany

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On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>Why did they leave the dead horses there?

It simply takes time to get the earth-moving equipment out there or to
transport the bodies to the vet school. Horses weigh about 1200 lbs. You
don't grab a shovel or throw them in the trunk.

Bethany

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-07-23 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
= > Tushar Samant:
= > = Today, the largest number of wussies, creeps and jackasses in
= > = the Loop were wearing rich blue shirts, and black pants with
= > = almost-invisible graph-paper lines! Love that rich blue!
= >
= > And what were you wearing?
=
= A greenish yellow shirt with brown pictures of elk and things,
= and green pants with, what you call them, "cargo" pockets. And
= the cammy-looking belt I bought in New York. Yet, this was so
= cunningly contrived that nobody could mistake me for the Hulk
= even with my ghastly green stubble. It was a pleasing symphony
= in martian-carnage. T Bone thinks! These are still salad days


I can see this.  I'm not so sure about the martian part though,
but salad indeed.

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At 02:09 PM 7/23/2003 +0200, steph wrote:

>I can see this.  I'm not so sure about the martian part though,
>but salad indeed.

I loved the description. People passing probably want to eat him.

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At 08:37 PM 7/22/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>What I really hate are corporate guys who wear colored button up shirts
>(usually blue) with white collars.

Those are SO out. Guys still wearing those need the FAB 5!

lisa
who watched the show for the first time last night and enjoyed it.

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> It simply takes time to get the earth-moving
> equipment out there or to
> transport the bodies to the vet school. Horses weigh
> about 1200 lbs. You
> don't grab a shovel or throw them in the trunk.
>
> Bethany

Thank you for stating the obvious.


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On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:

>Despite my need, desire and prompting from Tina, I'm dreading shopping.
>It's near impossible to find clothes I like that fit me. Regular cut
>clothes are typically too small. The clothes in the woman's department are
>usually too big.

I suggest a personal shopper. They are available, often at no extra cost,
at many stores - Nordstrom's is my favorite. We don't have one in
Knoxville, but when I go to Atlanta, I intend to esablish a relationship
with a Nordstrom's personal shopper there.

Bethany

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From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@isc.upenn.edu>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bethany K. Dumas
>Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 10:48 AM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: whtmov
>
>
>On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
>
>>Despite my need, desire and prompting from Tina, I'm dreading
>shopping.
>>It's near impossible to find clothes I like that fit me. Regular cut
>>clothes are typically too small. The clothes in the woman's
>department are
>>usually too big.
>
>I suggest a personal shopper. They are available, often at no
>extra cost,
>at many stores - Nordstrom's is my favorite. We don't have one in
>Knoxville, but when I go to Atlanta, I intend to esablish a
>relationship
>with a Nordstrom's personal shopper there.
>
>Bethany
>

Posting rich. Our Nordstrom's is pretty expensive. The quality is nice, but
the prices are crazy. I am only guessing, Nordstrom's is not Lisa's style or
budget. Also, no stores in Boston.



alec

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I suggest you relax and let HRH Tina handle it all for you.
  I hate shopping, but it is always a little more fun when
my husband comes along to render opinions.  Sorta takes the
pressure off a little.

I need to think of a couple of thank you/housewarming gifts.
  Any suggestions?

lisa alfieri wrote:

> At 09:11 PM 7/22/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>
>> I had to do a double take today when I saw one of my gay friends dressed
>> liked a straight guy.  He said his wife dressed him today.
>>
>> Betty
>
>
> Well my "husband" has had enough of my wardrobe and has gently suggested we
> go shopping.
>
> Truth be told I've had enough of my wardrobe. Most of my clothes are too
> big and I'm sick of rotating through the few things that do fit.
>
> Despite my need, desire and prompting from Tina, I'm dreading shopping.
> It's near impossible to find clothes I like that fit me. Regular cut
> clothes are typically too small. The clothes in the woman's department are
> usually too big.
>
> All of my jeans are men's and most of my shirts and sweaters are too. I
> started going the men's wear route when I couldn't find casual women's
> clothes I liked. I'm tired of shopping in the men's department and find I'm
> having the same problem as the women's department. Most of the cuts are too
> big, particularly in the shoulders (coincidently women's clothes are too
> small in the shoulders).
>
> My plan is to go for a nice long workout tonight so that when we hit the
> mall I'll be too tired to care what the results are.
>
> lisa
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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> 02003-07-22 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > > You watch Charlie Rose?
> >
> > WTF does that mean???
>
> Nothing much ... I am not so immature as to believe nobody
> watches it, of course. But I have never ever experienced
> 10 contiguous interesting minutes on that show, and have
> I concluded that the fault is in Charlie.

No surprise. You're part of the MTV generation. It would be a surprise if
you could sustain interest in anything for longer than 10 continuous
minutes. It's not your fault....nor is it Charlie's. My favorite Rose moment
was when he interviewed a scientist (name escapes me, but he was ultra
fascinating). The guy wore a pony tail and comfy but nice clothing. In an
effort to be more in line with his guest, Charlie had undone his tie and had
removed his shoes and you could see his barefeet under the table. It made me
like him even more.

I can watch him forever.

Sandra

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On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>>>Why did they leave the dead horses there?
>
>> It simply takes time to get the earth-moving equipment out there or to
>> transport the bodies to the vet school.
>
>I would have thought these would be a higher priority, that's all.

Higher than what? We are talking 6:30 p.m. (in a driving rain/storm
situation) to about 9:30 a.m. There are about 40 horses at PF. Live
horses need daily attention. Vets were there when I arrived, tending to
others.

Bethany

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On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>>Thank you for stating the obvious.
>
>> The credit belongs to Karen - for asking me to state it.
>
>You give me far too much credit, Bethany. This one's all yours.

Not me, Coach. I will not accept your handoff.

Bethany

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At 10:20 AM 7/23/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>I suggest you relax and let HRH Tina handle it all for you.
>  I hate shopping, but it is always a little more fun when
>my husband comes along to render opinions.  Sorta takes the
>pressure off a little.

Tina tends to buy or think of buying boy-ish clothes for me. I'm sick of
this look. But I don't exactly like girly things like she does.

If Ann Taylor could widen their waists and shoulders a bit more that's
where I'd shop.


>I need to think of a couple of thank you/housewarming gifts.
>  Any suggestions?

Pottery Barn has some great stuff, in all sorts of prices ranges. I've sent
people cocktail plates from there (they have tons of themes), my mother
bought me places mats and napkins from there. They have all sorts of
cocktail paraphernalia from mixers to stirs and of course glasses.

lisa

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> At 09:08 AM 7/23/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> > > 02003-07-22 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > > > > You watch Charlie Rose?
> > > >
> > > > WTF does that mean???
> > >
> > > Nothing much ... I am not so immature as to believe nobody
> > > watches it, of course. But I have never ever experienced
> > > 10 contiguous interesting minutes on that show, and have
> > > I concluded that the fault is in Charlie.
> >
> >No surprise. You're part of the MTV generation. It would be a surprise if
> >you could sustain interest in anything for longer than 10 continuous
> >minutes. It's not your fault....nor is it Charlie's. My favorite Rose moment
> >was when he interviewed a scientist (name escapes me, but he was ultra
> >fascinating). The guy wore a pony tail and comfy but nice clothing. In an
> >effort to be more in line with his guest, Charlie had undone his tie and had
> >removed his shoes and you could see his barefeet under the table. It made me
> >like him even more.
> >
> >I can watch him forever.
> >
> >Sandra
>
> I'm of the MTV generation and I sat still long enough to finish reading
> your post. Having done so I've come to the conclusion you're a snob and
> Charlie Rose is still boring!
>
> lisa

Go grrl!
clo

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In a message dated 7/23/2003 11:15:59 AM Central Daylight Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
<<
Am I the only one who uses purple, green, and pink?

>>

No.  When I was younger, I had a pen that had 25 colors.
I still like different colors, glitter ink, metallic ink, day-glo
ink.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> >I don't understand why he couldn't find a place to watch this with you,
> >Rita.  Jeez he knows enough bars.  He could take a lap top to one of them
> >- don't you think ONE of them would be showing this show that I don't
> >remember the name of but we're going to videotape so I can watch it?
>
> I can't figure out if Borkin wants to play voyeur or join Rita and Tushar
> as third wheel.

I figure there's plenty of room on the virtual couch.  I was kinda hoping
to get a survivor-style multi-logue going.

Ann

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> lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> > At 08:26 PM 7/21/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> > >Sweet vindication! I couldn't stand it. It was one of those
> movies which
> > >after it ended, I thought, "Well, there's three hours of my
> life I'll never
> > >get back."
> >
> > Three hours of ass numbing bullshit is how I refer to Magnolia. I hated
> > every moment of that film. It's also what pushed me over the
> edge and made
> > me hate Tom Cruise.
> >
> > lisa
>
> The first time I saw Magnolia, I wanted to a) find an usher or
> other theatre attendant and barf on his shoes and/or
> b) never have a relationship with a male again, just on the
> principle that it was a male that dragged me to the most
> revolting damn movies ever made.
>
> Then I passed it on a shelf <for sale> in a grocery store, and
> impulse bought it, <watched it by myself> , then took it to
> my parents' house and <made my mother watch it>. It's
> bizarre shit. I hate it. and I love it. The thing is, the stupid
> frogs have nothing to do with anything. They're cover. The
> last line the cop says is everything. After you see that, then
> you can see the rest of the story and understand it all.
>
> But Tom Cruise still makes me nauseous.
>
> clo

Sandra <---- owns it on DVD.

Sch.

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>
> lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> > >Wow, I could tell you were a strong woman when I met you, Clo. I never
> > >imagined you were so strong you could sit through that movie 3 times.
> >
> > >>The thing is, the stupid
> > >>frogs have nothing to do with anything. They're cover. The
> > >>last line the cop says is everything. After you see that, then
> > >>you can see the rest of the story and understand it all.
> > >After seeing it and talking about it I asked, "and what the
> fuck was that
> > >with the frogs". Someone told me it was a biblical reference.
> Whether or
> > >not that's true I still didn't get why it was in the movie.
> All I know is
> > >that it nearly put me over the edge. Not only was it slimy
> gross but by the
> > >time it happened I was definitely ready for the movie to end and didn't
> > >need it
>
> Biblical? Pfffuh! Well, there are plagues of frogs in the bible, and that
> no doubt fuels the urban legends of frogs being scooped up by whirlwinds
> and then being deposited when it rains, as well as the stupid myth of the
> scuba diver picked up by a firefighting plane and impaled in a pine and
> the equally false suicide by murder when the parents fight, both of which
> are Snopsed.
>
> > >Of course I don't remember the last line.
>
> Ah. The punch line (a non-quote, merely the sense of  the line - to get it
> right I would have to watch it <again>!) is that the cop, (re the girl
> he loves who has tried to kill herself after her parents'
> marriage broke up
> when mom discovered dad raped his daughter repeatedly over the years,
> and his helping Sad Old Quiz Boy conceal the crime of theft after he
> fell and lost the teeth he embezzled money to get braces in order to be
> more like the boytoy bartender he fell in love with, not to mention losing
> a gun that was used in a violent crime later)
> asks,
>
> "What can we forgive?"
>
> and in the cheesiness and failures of life, which are <WELL> represented
> in the movie as well as in people I meet every day and in myself,
> this is the most germane question I have ever run across.
> clo
>
> > >What pushed me over the edge was the Tom Cruise monologue. In
> every one of
> > >his movies there comes a point when his voice gets loud, his
> gestures sharp
> > >and his pacing dizzying. He spews out some shit that's
> supposed to rivot us
> > >to our seats and make us think he's the greatest, cutest,
> actor out there.
> > >Instead it makes me squirm with anticipation for the moment
> the bullshit
> > >ends and the movie continues.
> >
> >
> > >>But Tom Cruise still makes me nauseous.
> > >
> > >>clo
> >
> > >I haven't seen a TC movie since this mess and can't imagine
> going to one.
> >
> > >lisa
>

Most of it stems from the bible quote (John 3:16 or something) that shows up
a few times in the film.

And the whole Sins of our Fathers theme.

Sandra

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At 02:06 PM 7/23/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:

>I liked it. Last night I watched LAUREL CANYON. It was enjoyable enough.
>I've also just brought home FIVE EASY PIECES, THE BICYCLE THIEF, and
>RASHOMON for viewing.

Last night I watched Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy---all six episodes, with
Alec Guinness, Ian Richardson, Beryl Reid, and the rest of that great
cast.  Now, if they only will release Smiley's People....

cwv

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-07-23 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
>
>>Ann Borkin wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hey Rita, sorry about Thursday. The TV's dead. $80 and 8 years
>>>>is not so bad, is it. I could get a new one, but I always take
>>>>a much longer time for these things. Besides, I am moving in
>>>>two weeks. We are like star crossed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I don't understand why he couldn't find a place to watch this with you,
>>>Rita.  Jeez he knows enough bars.  He could take a lap top to one of them
>>>- don't you think ONE of them would be showing this show that I don't
>>>remember the name of but we're going to videotape so I can watch it?
>>>
>>I can't figure out if Borkin wants to play voyeur or join Rita and Tushar
>>as third wheel.
>>
>
> Borkin wants to annoy me and edge me out ...


        She may succeed.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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From: "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
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UTFCU has finally come through - I am approved for a 97% mortgage (95% if
I take a 2nd mortgage and don't want to pay PMI). Now the fun begins. And
the challenge - to find an appropriate place in Seq Hills within my budget
that will also have appropriate resale value.

A few days ago, I considered another neighborhood - but ultimately
rejected it. Seq Hills simply has too many advantages - sidewalks, trees,
a river, beauty, a full service station, a bank, a restaurant/grocery
store, proximity to downtown and UT, proximity to PF, bus service both
east and west, etc.

I'll pick up my approval letter and then call my new agent tomorrow -
after a morning deposition that I will not enjoy.

Bethany

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02003-07-23 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, sandra wrote:
> >> On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>
> >> >a) I am not your coach.
> >> >b) I handed off nothing to you; you created it out of whole cloth, all
> >> >on your own. The credit is all yours, as is the fantasy.
> >>
> >> You are really full of it today!
>
> > Gee, Karen, maybe you and I should compete for the Who Is Most Full Of It
> > award.
>
> That's okay, you can have it.

We want a fight!

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On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> We want a fight!

I think you should offer to buy Carolyn a Cosmopolitan.

Karen

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02003-07-23 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-07-23 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> > We want a fight!
> >>
> >> I think you should offer to buy Carolyn a Cosmopolitan.
>
> > That won't help--it makes them kind of ... friendly
>
> > Besides, Charlie Trotter's doesn't serve it.
>
> Then buy her a pomegranate whatsis--Lisa will remember. Those were
> VERY good.

Where is THE FIGHT?

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to Natalie.  Where is she?

          - D. M.

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...is this Saturday. Marie, Carolyn, and myself are going.  I don't know if
any other Wordslers are.

--Adam
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--- "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU>
wrote:
> UTFCU has finally come through - I am approved for a
> 97% mortgage (95% if
> I take a 2nd mortgage and don't want to pay PMI).

The outcome was never really in doubt.

> store, proximity to downtown and UT, proximity to
> PF, bus service both
> east and west, etc.

PF?  Please spell out
>
> I'll pick up my approval letter and then call my new
> agent tomorrow -
> after a morning deposition that I will not enjoy.

Testimony in Hattiesburg?  Morning deposition?  You
are a "courtly" professional?
>
> Bethany


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> ...is this Saturday. Marie, Carolyn, and myself are going.  I don't
know if
> any other Wordslers are.
>
> --Adam
> adamh1@comcast.net

I'm glad to know you are all going.
I really miss Alyce.  I wrote a piece
and sent it to Doug right after she
died.  I hope he kept it for the
memorial.

               - D. M.

             - D. M.

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In a message dated 7/23/2003 8:31:01 PM Central Daylight Time, 
adamh1@COMCAST.NET writes:
<<
...is this Saturday. Marie, Carolyn, and myself are going.  I don't know if
any other Wordslers are.

>>

I wish I could.  Please pay my respects to her family.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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life:  music and cats."
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On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>PF?  Please spell out

Penrose Farm - where Maria lives.

>> I'll pick up my approval letter and then call my new >> agent tomorrow
- >> after a morning deposition that I will not enjoy.
>
>Testimony in Hattiesburg?  Morning deposition?  You >are a "courtly"
professional?

It pays some of the bills. Forensic linguist is one name we use. (Yes, I
am a lawyer as well as a linguist. I do not practice law. I practice
linguistics in judicial contexts. But one does not have to be a lawyer to
do that.)

Bethany

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On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:

>...is this Saturday. Marie, Carolyn, and myself are going.  I don't know if
>any other Wordslers are.

Alas, I cannot. I shall be with you all in spirit.

Bethany

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> It's available from Signals---one of the catalog
> outfits that features
> PBS-type stuff.  I've been waiting for years for it,
> because I neglected to
> tape it when it aired.  It finally was released
> early this year---3
> CDs.  Magic.
>
> For all I know, Amazon may have it now.
>
> cwv

Evelyn,

Amazon does offer it now, plus other goodies from PBS.


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In a message dated 7/23/2003 8:49:14 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Evelyn,

Amazon does offer it now, plus other goodies from PBS.

>>

As I said, I'll put it on my wish list.  Maybe things will be
better then.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> to Natalie.  Where is she?

>           - D. M.

She unsubbed last weekend.

Karen

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boy:
= Marie:
= > Where in anyolewhere do you think these carts are getting to?
= > A truck?
=
= Sandra must be thinking of the carts that are, uh,
= liberated and end up in peoples homes.
=
= When I lived in the slum, everybody had stolen one
= to tote their clothes to the laundromat and back.
=

I resemble that remark.  We also used to take it to the
supermarket it wasn't from to do our shopping in.

= I'm still obsessed with this job-creation thing.

I can wait to see where this thread ended up.

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On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> ...is this Saturday. Marie, Carolyn, and myself are going.  I don't know if
> any other Wordslers are.

I hope that Paul will be the ET representative.

Karen

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21:38 23.07.2003 -0400 skrev Bethany K. Dumas:
>On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
>>...is this Saturday. Marie, Carolyn, and myself are going.  I don't know if
>>any other Wordslers are.
>
>Alas, I cannot. I shall be with you all in spirit.

And so shall I.

Espen

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On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> Then buy her a pomegranate whatsis--Lisa will remember. Those were
>> VERY good.
>>
>> Karen

> They were pomegranate martinis.

Thank you.

> --Adam
> adamh1@comcast.net
> who wishes he'd gotten that lobster dish that L & QLT got

I think that's where I had the lobster salad that will live on in fond
memory.

Karen

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From: lisa alfieri <alfieri@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: whtmov
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At 02:09 PM 7/23/2003 -0700, you wrote:

> > I'm of the MTV generation and I sat still long enough to finish reading
> > your post. Having done so I've come to the conclusion you're a snob and
> > Charlie Rose is still boring!
> >
> > lisa
>
>If it took you longer than ten minutes to read my post, I suggest you
>contact SCORE.
>
>Sandra

Well aren't you a witty one.

lisa

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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 08:31:47 -0400
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Subject: Re: sad day
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At 06:40 PM 7/23/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-07-23 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> > We want a fight!
> >>
> >> I think you should offer to buy Carolyn a Cosmopolitan.
>
> > That won't help--it makes them kind of ... friendly
>
> > Besides, Charlie Trotter's doesn't serve it.
>
>Then buy her a pomegranate whatsis--Lisa will remember. Those were
>VERY good.
>
>Karen

Pomegranate martini. They were good. Also good, not discovering them
earlier, it could have been deadly!

lisa

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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 08:32:20 -0400
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At 06:41 PM 7/23/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>02003-07-23 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > >My plan is to go for a nice long workout tonight so that when we hit the
> > >mall I'll be too tired to care what the results are.
> >
> > Dockers make some nice women's pants now.  Two way stretch. I like them
> > and they are very comfortable.
>
>Please get some uncomfortable and less stretchy pants. These sound LAME

Are you sure you want me to be uncomfortable while I'm posting?

lisa

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At 06:42 PM 7/23/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>02003-07-23 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> > > > > You watch Charlie Rose?
> > > >
> > > > WTF does that mean???
> > >
> > > Nothing much ... I am not so immature as to believe nobody
> > > watches it, of course. But I have never ever experienced
> > > 10 contiguous interesting minutes on that show, and have
> > > I concluded that the fault is in Charlie. Hence, it is
> > > interesting for me to collect examples of people who
> > > watch it. I will not ask what you like about it, since
> > > it is an unanswerable question.
> >
> > I am in agreement.  I am amazed when friends speak of
> > watching this show.  I've never made it longer than 5 min.
>
>I must say I am gratified by all the flaming this nasty boring
>man has gotten on this service. I am almost about to resubscribe.

I saw Charlie Rose on 60 II last night and I liked him.

lisa

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> At 02:09 PM 7/23/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>
> > > I'm of the MTV generation and I sat still long enough to
> finish reading
> > > your post. Having done so I've come to the conclusion you're
> a snob and
> > > Charlie Rose is still boring!
> > >
> > > lisa
> >
> >If it took you longer than ten minutes to read my post, I suggest you
> >contact SCORE.
> >
> >Sandra
>
> Well aren't you a witty one.
>
> lisa

Not terribly.

We have rain in SF. It's wonderful.

Sandra

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> At 06:42 PM 7/23/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >02003-07-23 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> > > > > > You watch Charlie Rose?
> > > > >
> > > > > WTF does that mean???
> > > >
> > > > Nothing much ... I am not so immature as to believe nobody
> > > > watches it, of course. But I have never ever experienced
> > > > 10 contiguous interesting minutes on that show, and have
> > > > I concluded that the fault is in Charlie. Hence, it is
> > > > interesting for me to collect examples of people who
> > > > watch it. I will not ask what you like about it, since
> > > > it is an unanswerable question.
> > >
> > > I am in agreement.  I am amazed when friends speak of
> > > watching this show.  I've never made it longer than 5 min.
> >
> >I must say I am gratified by all the flaming this nasty boring
> >man has gotten on this service. I am almost about to resubscribe.
>
> I saw Charlie Rose on 60 II last night and I liked him.
>
> lisa

I find him terribly likable. He has a wonderful sense of curiosity and I
like his quest to understand. Not unlike Terri Gross.

Sandra

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From: "S Hess" <sandra@maximumsentence.com>
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Subject: Muni Billboards
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 06:36:52 -0700
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I've spotted two disturbing ads in the past couple of days on our city
buses.

#1

On the rear of the bus, a picture of a white disposable coffee cup with the
words "Need Change" on it. Then "Change" is crossed out (not by graffitti
artists, it's part of the ad) and they've chicken scratched in the word
"Beer". It's an add in support of our local initiate to provide Care Not
Cash to the homeless. And then there is some copy about how giving change
doesn't help...blah, blah, blah. As it is, I support the initiative and like
so many others, it's really a drag to have at least one panhandler on every
block. On my walks, I see all the regulars. I just found the tone of the ad
to be more mean-spirited than I anticipated. Then again, people are really
getting fed up with all the panhandlers.

#2

On the side of a bus...a large face picture of what looks like could be a
30s business guy in a suit. And big wording to the right: Melissa Bradley.
Now, I know a lot of names can be applied to both sexes...but "melissa"????
So, I looked again. Underneath "Melissa Bradley" they have some smaller copy
about her being the ultimate real estate person. And in very small print
under the guys face, they say so and so for supervisor (or something like
that). So, she paid for the ad but dedicated part of her space to support
his campaign. The end result is that unless you study the situation, you
think his name is Melissa.

Sandra

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From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@isc.upenn.edu>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Adam Hartfield
>Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 8:26 PM
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>
>
>> Subject: What Happened
>>
>>
>> to Natalie.  Where is she?
>>
>>           - D. M.
>
>She unsubscribed again.
>
>--Adam
>adamh1@comcast.net
>

And I have not been posting much to the list.



alec

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7/23/2003, 5:57 PM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

cwv>  It finally was released early this year---3
cwv> CDs.  Magic.

Maybe DVDs???

dan

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-07-23 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > The first time I saw Magnolia, I wanted to a) find an usher
> > or other theatre attendant and barf on his shoes and/or
> > b) never have a relationship with a male again, just on the
> > principle that it was a male that dragged me to the most
> > revolting damn movies ever made.
>
> You are overreacting.

Too late. I <was> overreacting.

> Try Jackass: The Movie ...

I wouldn't dare. But I did watch "Les Visiteurs".

clo

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7/24/2003, 7:36 AM, S Hess wrote:

SH> On the rear of the bus, a picture of a white disposable coffee cup with the
SH> words "Need Change" on it. Then "Change" is crossed out (not by graffitti
SH> artists, it's part of the ad) and they've chicken scratched in the word
SH> "Beer".

We have a local panhandler who often sits at the exit from an
Albertsons parking lot.  He holds up a sign saying something like
"Help.  Broke.  Need a beer."   I've seen cars, usually with younger
guys in them, pull up to him and hand him a beer from the case they
just bought.

If nothing else, he gets an A for honesty.

dan

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Karen Kay wrote:


>>--Adam
>>adamh1@comcast.net
>>who wishes he'd gotten that lobster dish that L & QLT got
>>
>
> I think that's where I had the lobster salad that will live on in fond
> memory.


        I had the best lobster roll at good old Christo's.  It was
enormous, full of huge hunks of meat, etc., and only $8 with
fries and coffee.

        Christo's is an institution on the east side of Brockton, MA.
  Christo himself is still running around in his well cut
light blue suit terroring the waitresses.  I swear he looks
exactly the same as when I used to go with Pappou 30 years ago.

        Oh, he markets his own Greek salad dressing -- I've seen it
out here in Missouri, so he must have a national distributor.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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On Thursday, July 24, 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
> Pomegranate martini. They were good. Also good, not discovering them
> earlier, it could have been deadly!

Yes. Decidedly.

Karen

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

>>I need to think of a couple of thank you/housewarming gifts.
>>  Any suggestions?
>>
>
> Cornflower Corningware. Pairs of Waterford goblets.


        Indeed!  Heh.




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The memorial service for Alyce Cresap will be held Saturday at 11 a.m. at
the Reformed Church of Germantown, N.Y. All are invited, but for those who
can't attend, I am collecting written tributes, which will be read either
at the service or at the open house following. So far I have received
tributes from Doris Markland and Natalie Maynor. If anyone else has sent
one, please let me know, so I can look for it. You can email me at
oldertwin@hotpop.com.

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7/24/2003, 7:44 AM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>>> to Natalie.  Where is she?
>>>
>>>           - D. M.
>>
>>She unsubscribed again.
>>
    Another tiff, a trip, or ????


dan

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> At 10:20 AM 7/23/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> I suggest you relax and let HRH Tina handle it all for you.
>>  I hate shopping, but it is always a little more fun when
>> my husband comes along to render opinions.  Sorta takes the
>> pressure off a little.
>
>
> Tina tends to buy or think of buying boy-ish clothes for me. I'm sick of
> this look. But I don't exactly like girly things like she does.
>
> If Ann Taylor could widen their waists and shoulders a bit more that's
> where I'd shop.


        I like Ann Taylor, but the stuff doesn't fit me right,
either.  It's designed for smaller boned women, I think.
I'm very square.


>
>> I need to think of a couple of thank you/housewarming gifts.
>>  Any suggestions?
>
>
> Pottery Barn has some great stuff, in all sorts of prices ranges. I've sent
> people cocktail plates from there (they have tons of themes), my mother
> bought me places mats and napkins from there. They have all sorts of
> cocktail paraphernalia from mixers to stirs and of course glasses.


        Thanks for the suggestion.




--
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At 08:54 AM 7/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>        I had the best lobster roll at good old Christo's.  It was
>enormous, full of huge hunks of meat, etc., and only $8 with
>fries and coffee.
>
>        Christo's is an institution on the east side of Brockton, MA.
>  Christo himself is still running around in his well cut
>light blue suit terroring the waitresses.  I swear he looks
>exactly the same as when I used to go with Pappou 30 years ago.
>
>        Oh, he markets his own Greek salad dressing -- I've seen it
>out here in Missouri, so he must have a national distributor.

Why do I not know of this Christo's?! I lived in Whitman for the 6-9 months
of my MA. residency. I drove through every day Brockton (what a pit) on my
way to work in Norwood.

Maybe it's because I hated the area and the general time period in which I
lived there so much that I haven't been back more than twice since moving
closer to THE CITY.

lisa




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>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>

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Mapquest identified <three> Germantown NYs, in different parts
of the state! It turns out that Jeff's directions point to the Germantown
in Columbia Co. Thanks, Jeff, for giving such clear instructions. It
dramatically raises the odds that you will  see me there .
clo

Jeff Rankin wrote:

> We have set the date for my mother's memorial service. It will be Saturday,
> July 26, at 11 a.m. at the Reformed Church of Germantown, 20 Church Avenue,
> Germantown, NY. Following the service, there will be an open house at her
> former home,  641 County Route 8. We'll have a buffet lunch and then drink
> a toast to her memory. Everyone's invited! If you can't make it in person,
> but want to be represented, feel free to write a tribute and email it to me
> at this address. We'll read them at the open house. Also, if  you plan to
> attend and would also be interested in participating in the memorial
> service, please let me know.
>
> Here are directions to the church:
>
> (1) GERMANTOWN is located in the Hudson River Valley, on the EAST SIDE of
> the Hudson River. We are about 14 MILES north of RHINEBECK and about 10
> MILES south of HUDSON, on STATE ROUTE 9-G.
> (2) When you reach Germantown, TURN EAST at the TRAFFIC LIGHT (by Stewart's
> convenience store) onto COUNTY ROUTE 8 (Main Street). Go about 6/10 of a
> MILE until you reach the intersection of Main Street and COUNTY ROUTE 33
> (Church Avenue). TURN RIGHT(south) onto CHURCH AVENUE, go 250 FEET, and you
> will see the twin steeples of the church on your left.
>
> To find the house, go east from Germantown on County Route 8 till you come
> to a T. The house--a big blue Victorian--will be immediately to your right.
>
> P.S. Please let me know if you plan to attend so we can have an idea of how
> many people to expect. Thanks!

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>> #2
>
> On the side of a bus...a large face picture of what
> looks like could be a
> 30s business guy in a suit. And big wording to the
> right: Melissa Bradley.
> Now, I know a lot of names can be applied to both
> sexes...but "melissa"????
> So, I looked again. Underneath "Melissa Bradley"
> they have some smaller copy
> about her being the ultimate real estate person. And
> in very small print
> under the guys face, they say so and so for
> supervisor (or something like
> that). So, she paid for the ad but dedicated part of
> her space to support
> his campaign. The end result is that unless you
> study the situation, you
> think his name is Melissa.
>
> Sandra

Perhaps that's the desired result.


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If anybody cares to see some photos from our hike yesterday:

http://www.etext.org/~rita/columbiabottom.html

It's not Acadia, but the bottoms have their own beauty.

--
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rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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--- Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> wrote:
> If anybody cares to see some photos from our hike
> yesterday:
>
> http://www.etext.org/~rita/columbiabottom.html
>
> It's not Acadia, but the bottoms have their own
> beauty.
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita

Good pictures.  Ana and Vinnie are lovely.  Where are
you?
>
>


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Rita Chapman wrote:

> If anybody cares to see some photos from our hike yesterday:
>
> http://www.etext.org/~rita/columbiabottom.html
>
> It's not Acadia, but the bottoms have their own beauty.
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita

Thanks for sharing them - it looks like a fun time!
How is Ana enjoying the summer? Did she get tired of travelling,
or is she eager to go camping again?

clo

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02003-07-24 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@COMCAST.NET> writes:
> >I must say I am gratified by all the flaming this nasty boring
> >man has gotten on this service. I am almost about to resubscribe.
>
> I saw Charlie Rose on 60 II last night and I liked him.

That's because you were wearing those "comfortable pants".

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02003-07-24 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@COMCAST.NET> writes:
> Pomegranate martini. They were good. Also good, not discovering them
> earlier, it could have been deadly!

What a d-y-k-e

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02003-07-24 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> I find him terribly likable. He has a wonderful sense of curiosity
> and I like his quest to understand. Not unlike Terri Gross.

I find him terribly fake. He has no curiosity about anything, and
I dislike his society hostess act.

By the way, can you freakin' believe how many times Charlie misses
the point, when it is just tiny bit complicated? That's when his act
is complete--it's like the society dame got a permanent "eyebrow lift"
done, to look interested in everything.

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At 10:29 AM 7/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>02003-07-24 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@COMCAST.NET> writes:
> > >I must say I am gratified by all the flaming this nasty boring
> > >man has gotten on this service. I am almost about to resubscribe.
> >
> > I saw Charlie Rose on 60 II last night and I liked him.
>
>That's because you were wearing those "comfortable pants".

I should have known you would see right through my thinly veiled attempt to
get you to discontinue this <service>.

lisa

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At 10:38 AM 7/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>02003-07-24 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@COMCAST.NET> writes:
> > Pomegranate martini. They were good. Also good, not discovering them
> > earlier, it could have been deadly!
>
>What a d-y-k-e

Shhh.. no one knows.

lisa

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At 10:16 AM 7/24/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>If anybody cares to see some photos from our hike yesterday:
>
>http://www.etext.org/~rita/columbiabottom.html

The before and after shots of Vinnie are great.

cwv

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Kristen:
> Those drunken drivers...!

Don't get me started.  The sober ones
are dangerous enough.

What are the Estonian laws regarding
drunk driving?  This (questionable)
list doesn't mention Estonia.

http://webpages.charter.net/ricknet/duilaws.htm

Laws here vary from state to state, and in
some are almost comically lenient.

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steph:
> I resemble that remark.  We also used to take it to the
> supermarket it wasn't from to do our shopping in.

You stole their shopping cart and then
patronized somewhere else?

Oh, thass col', man.  Thass COL'.

> = I'm still obsessed with this job-creation thing.
> I can wait to see where this thread ended up.

I've forwarded the plan to Paul Bremer.

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On Thursday, July 24, 2003, lisping cockatiel wrote:
> steph:
>> = I'm still obsessed with this job-creation thing.
>> I can wait to see where this thread ended up.

> I've forwarded the plan to Paul Bremer.

I had to look him up, and I found this great description of him at
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0606-01.htm :

"Paul Bremer is, according to Bush, a "can-do" type of person. Indeed
he is. In less than a month he has readied large swaths of state
activity for corporate takeover, primed the Iraqi market for foreign
importers to make a killing by eliminating much of the local
competition and made sure there won't be any unpleasant Iraqi
government interference--in fact, he's made sure there will be no
Iraqi government at all while key economic decisions are made. Bremer
is Iraq's one-man IMF."

Karen

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Everything about armadillos.

http://www.austinlinks.com/dillo.html


Karen

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Karen Kay writes,

>In less than a month he has readied large swaths of state
>activity for corporate takeover, primed the Iraqi market for foreign
>importers

I'm not sure I would characterize this that way, but I just received a note
from a telecom list pointing out the request for bids for mobile telecom
service licenses in Iraq: <http://www.iraqitelcomtender.com/>.

Pete

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=
= Good pictures.  Ana and Vinnie are lovely.  Where are
= you?

She's right there, shadow in the shot of the Vinnie before
picture.

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steph wrote:

> =
> = Good pictures.  Ana and Vinnie are lovely.  Where are
> = you?
>
> She's right there, shadow in the shot of the Vinnie before
> picture.


        Good eye, Steph.

        I was behind the camera, of course.  But there are other
photos of me on my website.




--
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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:


> Thanks for sharing them - it looks like a fun time!
> How is Ana enjoying the summer? Did she get tired of travelling,
> or is she eager to go camping again?


        Ana is pretty happy to be playing with her friends right now,
and I think she did road trip out on the way back from
Vermont.  Three weeks is a long time to be away from home.
We are talking about sending her to sleep-over camp in New
Hampshire with her cousin next year.  She wants to try
camping on one of the islands in the river, which is pretty
easily doable once the boat is fixed (hopefully tonight so
we can go have a picnic dinner on the water).




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lisa alfieri wrote:


> Why do I not know of this Christo's?! I lived in Whitman for the 6-9 months
> of my MA. residency. I drove through every day Brockton (what a pit) on my
> way to work in Norwood.


        Jeez, you totally missed out:
http://www.dining-out.com/Christos.htm

        I'm not sure how you drove through Brockton, but 27 would
have taken you right past -- he's across the street from
Massasoit CC.


> Maybe it's because I hated the area and the general time period in which I
> lived there so much that I haven't been back more than twice since moving
> closer to THE CITY.


        Sniff.  You're dissing my childhood.  I grew up in Abington,
you know.  Brockton is pretty gross, though.




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> > I've forwarded the plan to Paul Bremer.
>
> I had to look him up, and I found this great description of him at
> http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0606-01.htm :
>
> "Paul Bremer is, according to Bush, a "can-do" type of person. Indeed
> he is. In less than a month he has readied large swaths of state
> activity for corporate takeover, primed the Iraqi market for foreign
> importers to make a killing by eliminating much of the local
> competition and made sure there won't be any unpleasant Iraqi
> government interference--in fact, he's made sure there will be no
> Iraqi government at all while key economic decisions are made. Bremer
> is Iraq's one-man IMF."
>
> Karen


>From my sewing experience I must relate that news,
like fabric, when it's cut on the bias, tends to stretttttttch
(the truth).

                            - D. M.

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On 24 Jul 2003 at 10:37, Tushar Samant wrote:

> I find him terribly fake. He has no curiosity about anything, and I
> dislike his society hostess act.

So how do you like James Lipton? Is that more your kind of guy?

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Ooohh!  I haven't been there in a zillion years but remember it well.  I
checked out the site below.  There is a great photo of baklava.  :-)

Rita L.

Rita Chapman wrote:

>
>        Jeez, you totally missed out:
> http://www.dining-out.com/Christos.htm
>
>


--

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lisping cockatiel wrote:

> > Those drunken drivers...!
>
> Don't get me started.  The sober ones
> are dangerous enough.

Yes, often, and sometimes more.

> What are the Estonian laws regarding
> drunk driving?

Actually I'll exit the room in a minute. I only say quickly that no
amount of alcohol is allowed to be found in the organism - zero
promilles [per mille?] -- when driving.

Now when I look at the site
http://webpages.charter.net/ricknet/duilaws.htm
I see that it is rather superficial anyway. I guess there are more
distinguished punishments depending on the results of a particular ride
-- whether the driver is found drunk by police or was there an accident,
and which kind.

Loss of licence for a certain time is a punishment here, anyway. In the
case of tragical accidents: jail.

And, before I leave: sorry, I *am* in a hurry, and I have no good
dictionaries in the form of a book here -- actually I doubt some words I
wrote down (thier meaning), but cannot check them up at the moment.

Kristin

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> 02003-07-24 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > I find him terribly likable. He has a wonderful sense of curiosity
> > and I like his quest to understand. Not unlike Terri Gross.
>
> I find him terribly fake. He has no curiosity about anything, and
> I dislike his society hostess act.
>
> By the way, can you freakin' believe how many times Charlie misses
> the point, when it is just tiny bit complicated? That's when his act
> is complete--it's like the society dame got a permanent "eyebrow lift"
> done, to look interested in everything.

Projecting is a nasty habit.

Sandra

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>        Jeez, you totally missed out:
>http://www.dining-out.com/Christos.htm
They have baklava!  Yum.

Betty

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        It is exactly the same as it was a zillion years ago -- even
the customers!

Rita Leonard wrote:

> Ooohh!  I haven't been there in a zillion years but remember it well.  I
> checked out the site below.  There is a great photo of baklava.  :-)
>
> Rita L.
>
> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>
>>        Jeez, you totally missed out:
>> http://www.dining-out.com/Christos.htm
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Rita Leonard
> Information Technology Systems Services
> O'Neill Library 544
> Phone:  617-552-3403
> Email: rita.leonard@bc.edu
>
> "Whether you believe you can do a thing
> or not, you are right."  Henry Ford
>


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> On 24 Jul 2003 at 10:37, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > I find him terribly fake. He has no curiosity about anything, and I
> > dislike his society hostess act.
>
> So how do you like James Lipton? Is that more your kind of guy?

Oh man, he totally creeps me out. Anyone who makes such a big deal about
being able to speak french...and the way he revels in the research that has
been done on his guests (as if he doesn't have some kind of staff support).
Above all, his facial hair bothers me.

Sandra

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Betty Clark wrote:

>>        Jeez, you totally missed out:
>> http://www.dining-out.com/Christos.htm
>
> They have baklava!  Yum.


        I always have the rice pudding, though.




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and me too
 
BrP
 
 


>>> clostran@SYR.EDU 07/24/03 11:06AM >>>
Mapquest identified <three> Germantown NYs, in different parts
of the state! It turns out that Jeff's directions point to the Germantown
in Columbia Co. Thanks, Jeff, for giving such clear instructions. It
dramatically raises the odds that you will  see me there .
clo

Jeff Rankin wrote:

> We have set the date for my mother's memorial service. It will be Saturday,
> July 26, at 11 a.m. at the Reformed Church of Germantown, 20 Church Avenue,
> Germantown, NY. Following the service, there will be an open house at her
> former home,  641 County Route 8. We'll have a buffet lunch and then drink
> a toast to her memory. Everyone's invited! If you can't make it in person,
> but want to be represented, feel free to write a tribute and email it to me
> at this address. We'll read them at the open house. Also, if  you plan to
> attend and would also be interested in participating in the memorial
> service, please let me know.
>
> Here are directions to the church:
>
> (1) GERMANTOWN is located in the Hudson River Valley, on the EAST SIDE of
> the Hudson River. We are about 14 MILES north of RHINEBECK and about 10
> MILES south of HUDSON, on STATE ROUTE 9-G.
> (2) When you reach Germantown, TURN EAST at the TRAFFIC LIGHT (by Stewart's
> convenience store) onto COUNTY ROUTE 8 (Main Street). Go about 6/10 of a
> MILE until you reach the intersection of Main Street and COUNTY ROUTE 33
> (Church Avenue). TURN RIGHT(south) onto CHURCH AVENUE, go 250 FEET, and you
> will see the twin steeples of the church on your left.
>
> To find the house, go east from Germantown on County Route 8 till you come
> to a T. The house--a big blue Victorian--will be immediately to your right.
>
> P.S. Please let me know if you plan to attend so we can have an idea of how
> many people to expect. Thanks!

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Betty,

We are SO alike.  Good thing Natalie isn't watching :-)  (Just kidding,
Natalie, if you are watching).

Rita L.

Betty Clark wrote:

>>        Jeez, you totally missed out:
>> http://www.dining-out.com/Christos.htm
>
> They have baklava!  Yum.
>
> Betty


--

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Email: rita.leonard@bc.edu

"Whether you believe you can do a thing
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7/24/2003, 11:43 AM, Betty Clark wrote:

>>        Jeez, you totally missed out:
>>http://www.dining-out.com/Christos.htm
BC> They have baklava!  Yum.

Guess it is good Natalie unsubbed again.  Maybe because she knew this
would be discussed again.  That's it, she's psychic AND precognitive.


dan

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Dan Lester wrote:

> 7/24/2003, 11:43 AM, Betty Clark wrote:
>
> >>        Jeez, you totally missed out:
> >>http://www.dining-out.com/Christos.htm
> BC> They have baklava!  Yum.
>
> Guess it is good Natalie unsubbed again.  Maybe because she knew this
> would be discussed again.  That's it, she's psychic AND precognitive.
>
> dan

More importantly, she made the discussion happen. She's
preordained.

clo

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Sandra:
> Oh man, he totally creeps me out. Anyone who makes such a big deal about
> being able to speak french...and the way he revels in the research that has
> been done on his guests (as if he doesn't have some kind of staff support).

You will enjoy this piece:

http://shtick.org/Genina/genina26.htm

It covers all of your objections, and more.

> Above all, his facial hair bothers me.

...'cepfer that one.

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Kristin:
>no amount of alcohol is allowed to be found in the organism

Thanks, that's exactly the kind of information
I was looking for.

>I have no good dictionaries in the form of a book here

Do you mean an English-Estonian dictionary,
or just an English dictionary?  You might
find this handy (I have it bookmarked):

http://www.m-w.com

It has a thesaurus, too.

>actually I doubt some words I wrote down

Oh, "body" would have been a better choice
than "organism" ("bloodstream" would also
work well), but I understood your message
completely.

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They have baklava!  Yum.

>        I always have the rice pudding, though.

That's because you make your own baklava.  I like rice pudding though, too,
if I can't have bonniev's creme brulee.

B

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On Thursday, July 24, 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
> That's because you make your own baklava.  I like rice pudding though, too,
> if I can't have bonniev's creme brulee.

<sob!>

I think I want to marry Bonnie.

Karen

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> Sandra:
> > Oh man, he totally creeps me out. Anyone who makes such a big deal about
> > being able to speak french...and the way he revels in the
> research that has
> > been done on his guests (as if he doesn't have some kind of
> staff support).
>
> You will enjoy this piece:
>
> http://shtick.org/Genina/genina26.htm
>
> It covers all of your objections, and more.
>
> > Above all, his facial hair bothers me.
>
> ...'cepfer that one.
>

Excelling piece! I think he got it spot-on when he said Lipton "Blows".

Sandra

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Do you think we are evil twins?    I have one of your little gifts attached
to my camera case, btw. Gave Natalie the pen.

Betty

At 02:08 PM 7/24/2003 -0400, Rita Leonard wrote:
>Betty,
>
>We are SO alike.  Good thing Natalie isn't watching :-)  (Just kidding,
>Natalie, if you are watching).
>
>Rita L.
>
>Betty Clark wrote:
>
>>>        Jeez, you totally missed out:
>>>http://www.dining-out.com/Christos.htm
>>
>>They have baklava!  Yum.
>>
>>Betty
>
>
>--
>
>Rita Leonard
>Information Technology Systems Services
>O'Neill Library 544
>Phone:  617-552-3403
>Email: rita.leonard@bc.edu
>
>"Whether you believe you can do a thing
>or not, you are right."  Henry Ford

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At 12:26 PM 7/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>lisa alfieri wrote:
>
>
>>Why do I not know of this Christo's?! I lived in Whitman for the 6-9 months
>>of my MA. residency. I drove through every day Brockton (what a pit) on my
>>way to work in Norwood.
>
>
>        Jeez, you totally missed out:
>http://www.dining-out.com/Christos.htm
>
>        I'm not sure how you drove through Brockton, but 27 would
>have taken you right past -- he's across the street from
>Massasoit CC.

Hmm.. I took 27 from Whitman thru Brockton and then hit 24 to 95. I must
have seen this place but it's been so long it doesn't even ring a bell.



>>Maybe it's because I hated the area and the general time period in which I
>>lived there so much that I haven't been back more than twice since moving
>>closer to THE CITY.
>
>
>        Sniff.  You're dissing my childhood.  I grew up in Abington,
>you know.  Brockton is pretty gross, though.

A lot of how I feel about the area is based on the fact that I was terribly
unhappy during that period of my life. So don't take it personally that I
didn't like it out there. FWIW, Abington bring up no bad feelings. I don't
think I spent a whole lot of time there though.


>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
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On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-07-23 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > and on a related topic (boring Tushar), I am coming to
> > Chicago in November.
>
> What's this got to do with me?
>

<ahem>
are you bored yet?
clo
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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I can only attest to the evil part and then only for myself.

Rita L.

Betty Clark wrote:

> Do you think we are evil twins?    I have one of your little gifts
> attached
> to my camera case, btw. Gave Natalie the pen.
>
> Betty
>

--

Rita Leonard
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The deposition was truly crappy. Giving a deposition is the single most
boring thing I do. Every time I end up in one, I think, as soon as it
starts, "What am I doing here? WHY did I agree to do this?" Yuck.

This was also my day to take two of our dep't secretaries to lunch - we go
to the Orangery a couple of times each year. Lunch was absolutely superb:
a shrimp bisque, grilled tuna sandwiches, pasta with garlic cream sauce
and many other things (artichoke, heart of palm, etc.). Fantastic bread.
And a ganache! - one so big that three of us could not finish it. (The
remains of all are in my little office refrigerator - I'll dine well
tomorrow too.) And excellent  espresso.

Lunch at the Orangery is a best buy - the food is the same as at dinner at
about 1/3-1/2 the price.

Maybe I will bill it to deposing counsel ...

Bethany

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I don't think I'll be seeing Mel's new movie. The subject matter doesn't
appeal to me.

Gibson is another one who's worn thin. His acting is OK but I'm tired of
him.  Also his personal beliefs are not in line with mine to the point
where I really don't like supporting him.

lisa

At 08:09 PM 7/23/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>Adam, on "In the Bedroom":
>
>>Sweet vindication! I couldn't stand it. It was one of those movies which
>>after it ended, I thought, "Well, there's three hours of my life I'll never
>>get back."
>
>I hated it too, it was so bad. Three wasted hours, $9.50 down the drain etc.
>etc.
>
>Speaking of which, I'm looking forward to Mel Gibson's new film purely
>for the controversies it's bound to set off. Any of you following the story?
>
>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26264-2003Jul22.html
>
>|Movie star Mel Gibson -- under fire from Jewish groups and religious
>scholars for his still-unreleased film |that graphically portrays the
>crucifixion of Jesus -- yesterday screened a two-hour rough cut of "The
>|Passion" for a select group of Washington pundits, clergymen, cybergossip
>Matt Drudge and Hollywood |lobbyist Jack Valenti, and at least one White
>House staffer.
>|
>|"I've heard people talking about how I can't get a distributor," the
>casually dressed Gibson -- sporting |sweat pants, sandals and white socks --
>told the four dozen audience members. "Believe me, I can get |a
>distributor."
>|
>|A vocal conservative and devout Catholic, the 47-year-old Academy Award
>winner has weathered |accusations of anti-Semitism for the movie, which is
>being produced by his company, Icon Productions. |The influential
>Anti-Defamation League, which monitors incidents of anti-Semitism, has been
>especially |critical, pointing out on its Web site the long historical
>relationship between passion plays and attacks |on Jews: "ADL has serious
>concerns regarding Mr. Gibson's 'The Passion' and asks: Will the final
>version |of 'The Passion' continue to portray Jews as blood-thirsty,
>sadistic and money-hungry enemies of |Jesus? Will it correct the unambiguous
>depiction of Jews as the ones responsible for the suffering and |crucifixion
>of Jesus?"
>|
>|Yesterday's secret screening at the Motion Picture Association of America
>included columnists Peggy |Noonan, Cal Thomas and Kate O'Beirne;
>conservative essayist Michael Novak; President Bush's abortive |nominee for
>labor secretary, Linda Chavez; staff director Mark Rodgers of the Senate
>Republican |conference chaired by Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.); former
>Republican House member Mark Siljander of |Michigan; and White House staffer
>David Kuo, deputy director of the Office of Faith-Based and |Community
>Initiatives.
>|
>|"I find this sad," said ADL National Director Abraham Foxman, who hasn't
>been permitted to see the |movie. "Here's a man who appeals to the mass
>audience, but he feels he has to surround himself with |a cordon sanitaire
>of people who back him theologically and maybe ideologically and will stand
>up and |be supportive when the time comes. My request still stands: I would
>like to see the movie, and if it |turns out I was wrong, I'll be the first
>to say so."
>|
>|Yesterday when the lights came up, many in the audience -- who were
>required to sign a |confidentiality agreement before being admitted to the
>screening room -- were in tears. Some were |sobbing, we hear.
>|
>|"Heartbreaking," Michael Novak told Gibson. "The Exorcist" author William
>Peter Blatty called the |movie "a tremendous depiction of evil." MPAA
>President Valenti was perhaps the most enthusiastic. "I |don't see what the
>controversy is all about," he told fellow audience members. "This is a
>compelling |piece of art. I just called Kirk Douglas and told him that this
>is the movie to beat."
>|
>|Another invitee, right-wing radio host Laura Ingraham, flew here from San
>Francisco to see the film but |arrived too late and missed it. "I'm so
>bummed," Ingraham told us. "I want to see any movie that |drives the
>anti-Christian entertainment elite crazy."
>
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At 10:37 AM 7/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>02003-07-24 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > I find him terribly likable. He has a wonderful sense of curiosity
> > and I like his quest to understand. Not unlike Terri Gross.
>
>I find him terribly fake. He has no curiosity about anything, and
>I dislike his society hostess act.

He was interviewing Patty Austin last night. Good thing she's full of life,
she completely carried the interview.

Here's what I found wrong with the interview...

1- He's dry.

2- The editing was terrible.

3- His questions were stupid and the editing made them look forced.

4- His make up was awful.


>By the way, can you freakin' believe how many times Charlie misses
>the point, when it is just tiny bit complicated? That's when his act
>is complete--it's like the society dame got a permanent "eyebrow lift"
>done, to look interested in everything.

Even better than him missing the point was him missing a note.

Ms. Austin asked him to hum a note saying she was going to scat around it.
He said he couldn't sing. She told him he didn't have to sing, just hum one
note. He made a noise so awful she and her pianist broke out in laughter
and said, "Next question please.. ". After some coaxing she finally got
something out of him she could work with and did her thing but it wasn't as
fun as it would have been if he could have gotten out of his own damn way
from the start.

One final note (no pun intended), I didn't seek Charlie Rose out last
night. I happened to be flipping through the stations and noticed Patty
singing and heard something about Ella Fitzgerald. Since I'm a big Ella fan
I stopped to listen and who should be conducting the interview but Sandra's
man, Charlie.

lisa

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ditto.

Sandra

> I don't think I'll be seeing Mel's new movie. The subject matter doesn't
> appeal to me.
>
> Gibson is another one who's worn thin. His acting is OK but I'm tired of
> him.  Also his personal beliefs are not in line with mine to the point
> where I really don't like supporting him.
>
> lisa
>
> At 08:09 PM 7/23/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> >Adam, on "In the Bedroom":
> >
> >>Sweet vindication! I couldn't stand it. It was one of those movies which
> >>after it ended, I thought, "Well, there's three hours of my
> life I'll never
> >>get back."
> >
> >I hated it too, it was so bad. Three wasted hours, $9.50 down
> the drain etc.
> >etc.
> >
> >Speaking of which, I'm looking forward to Mel Gibson's new film purely
> >for the controversies it's bound to set off. Any of you
> following the story?
> >
> >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26264-2003Jul22.html
> >
> >|Movie star Mel Gibson -- under fire from Jewish groups and religious
> >scholars for his still-unreleased film |that graphically portrays the
> >crucifixion of Jesus -- yesterday screened a two-hour rough cut of "The
> >|Passion" for a select group of Washington pundits, clergymen,
> cybergossip
> >Matt Drudge and Hollywood |lobbyist Jack Valenti, and at least one White
> >House staffer.
> >|
> >|"I've heard people talking about how I can't get a distributor," the
> >casually dressed Gibson -- sporting |sweat pants, sandals and
> white socks --
> >told the four dozen audience members. "Believe me, I can get |a
> >distributor."
> >|
> >|A vocal conservative and devout Catholic, the 47-year-old Academy Award
> >winner has weathered |accusations of anti-Semitism for the
> movie, which is
> >being produced by his company, Icon Productions. |The influential
> >Anti-Defamation League, which monitors incidents of
> anti-Semitism, has been
> >especially |critical, pointing out on its Web site the long historical
> >relationship between passion plays and attacks |on Jews: "ADL has serious
> >concerns regarding Mr. Gibson's 'The Passion' and asks: Will the final
> >version |of 'The Passion' continue to portray Jews as blood-thirsty,
> >sadistic and money-hungry enemies of |Jesus? Will it correct the
> unambiguous
> >depiction of Jews as the ones responsible for the suffering and
> |crucifixion
> >of Jesus?"
> >|
> >|Yesterday's secret screening at the Motion Picture Association
> of America
> >included columnists Peggy |Noonan, Cal Thomas and Kate O'Beirne;
> >conservative essayist Michael Novak; President Bush's abortive
> |nominee for
> >labor secretary, Linda Chavez; staff director Mark Rodgers of the Senate
> >Republican |conference chaired by Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.); former
> >Republican House member Mark Siljander of |Michigan; and White
> House staffer
> >David Kuo, deputy director of the Office of Faith-Based and |Community
> >Initiatives.
> >|
> >|"I find this sad," said ADL National Director Abraham Foxman, who hasn't
> >been permitted to see the |movie. "Here's a man who appeals to the mass
> >audience, but he feels he has to surround himself with |a cordon
> sanitaire
> >of people who back him theologically and maybe ideologically and
> will stand
> >up and |be supportive when the time comes. My request still
> stands: I would
> >like to see the movie, and if it |turns out I was wrong, I'll be
> the first
> >to say so."
> >|
> >|Yesterday when the lights came up, many in the audience -- who were
> >required to sign a |confidentiality agreement before being
> admitted to the
> >screening room -- were in tears. Some were |sobbing, we hear.
> >|
> >|"Heartbreaking," Michael Novak told Gibson. "The Exorcist"
> author William
> >Peter Blatty called the |movie "a tremendous depiction of evil." MPAA
> >President Valenti was perhaps the most enthusiastic. "I |don't
> see what the
> >controversy is all about," he told fellow audience members. "This is a
> >compelling |piece of art. I just called Kirk Douglas and told
> him that this
> >is the movie to beat."
> >|
> >|Another invitee, right-wing radio host Laura Ingraham, flew
> here from San
> >Francisco to see the film but |arrived too late and missed it. "I'm so
> >bummed," Ingraham told us. "I want to see any movie that |drives the
> >anti-Christian entertainment elite crazy."
> >
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> At 10:37 AM 7/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >02003-07-24 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > > I find him terribly likable. He has a wonderful sense of curiosity
> > > and I like his quest to understand. Not unlike Terri Gross.
> >
> >I find him terribly fake. He has no curiosity about anything, and
> >I dislike his society hostess act.
>
> He was interviewing Patty Austin last night. Good thing she's
> full of life,
> she completely carried the interview.
>
> Here's what I found wrong with the interview...
>
> 1- He's dry.
>
> 2- The editing was terrible.
>
> 3- His questions were stupid and the editing made them look forced.
>
> 4- His make up was awful.
>
>
> >By the way, can you freakin' believe how many times Charlie misses
> >the point, when it is just tiny bit complicated? That's when his act
> >is complete--it's like the society dame got a permanent "eyebrow lift"
> >done, to look interested in everything.
>
> Even better than him missing the point was him missing a note.
>
> Ms. Austin asked him to hum a note saying she was going to scat around it.
> He said he couldn't sing. She told him he didn't have to sing,
> just hum one
> note. He made a noise so awful she and her pianist broke out in laughter
> and said, "Next question please.. ". After some coaxing she finally got
> something out of him she could work with and did her thing but it
> wasn't as
> fun as it would have been if he could have gotten out of his own damn way
> from the start.
>
> One final note (no pun intended), I didn't seek Charlie Rose out last
> night. I happened to be flipping through the stations and noticed Patty
> singing and heard something about Ella Fitzgerald. Since I'm a
> big Ella fan
> I stopped to listen and who should be conducting the interview
> but Sandra's
> man, Charlie.
>
> lisa

His makeup and wardrobe leave a lot to be desired. Agreed. Maybe the Fab 5
can do him right.

Sandra

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At 07:25 AM 7/24/2003 -1000, you wrote:
>On 24 Jul 2003 at 10:37, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > I find him terribly fake. He has no curiosity about anything, and I
> > dislike his society hostess act.
>
>So how do you like James Lipton? Is that more your kind of guy?

Can't stand him either! The stretched look on his face, the tone of his
voice and the pace at which he asks his questions is unbearable. The people
he interviews are generally great but he's painful.

lisa

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We have a recall vote on Gov. Davis on Oct. 7th. What a waste of time and
money.

Sandra

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----- Original Message -----
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> We have a recall vote on Gov. Davis on Oct. 7th. What a waste of time and
> money.
>
> Sandra

Is Darrell Issa credited with this?

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02003-07-24 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > 02003-07-24 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > > I find him terribly likable. He has a wonderful sense of curiosity
> > > and I like his quest to understand. Not unlike Terri Gross.
> >
> > I find him terribly fake. He has no curiosity about anything, and
> > I dislike his society hostess act.
> >
> > By the way, can you freakin' believe how many times Charlie misses
> > the point, when it is just tiny bit complicated? That's when his act
> > is complete--it's like the society dame got a permanent "eyebrow lift"
> > done, to look interested in everything.
>
> Projecting is a nasty habit.

Is that what you think?! Tell me more!! Or have I gotten
it all wrong?!! Not even close... okay. We'll return!

Grave face ...

Fade ...

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played by Kenny G's little brother Lenny

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Alan Wild writes,

>Is Darrell Issa credited with this?

He's credited with starting it, but not necessarily with the whole effort.

Pete

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Kaminski" <kaminski@ISTORI.COM>
> Alan Wild writes,
>
> >Is Darrell Issa credited with this?
>
> He's credited with starting it, but not necessarily with the whole effort.
>
> Pete

Hi Pete!

He made his money from automobile-alarms... not quite ironic, perhaps more
of an atonement; I hear he has a couple of arrests... one for auto-theft as
a kid.

The 2nd is because of Kalifornia's Draconian firearms laws, and it was only
a misdemeanor.  Still, the pattern of risk taking is there ;-)  With risk
aversion there is little to gain.

'Alan

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On this date in 1929, President Herbert Hoover announced the Kellogg-Briand
Pact, which renounced war as an instrument of foreign policy.  On this date
in 2003, UPOTUS said: "Kellogg-Briand Pact---that's something to do with
cornflakes, right?"

cwv

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02003-07-24 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@COMCAST.NET> writes:
> At 10:29 AM 7/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >02003-07-24 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@COMCAST.NET> writes:
>
> >> >I must say I am gratified by all the flaming this nasty boring
> >> >man has gotten on this service. I am almost about to resubscribe.
> >>
> >> I saw Charlie Rose on 60 II last night and I liked him.
> >
> >That's because you were wearing those "comfortable pants".
>
> I should have known you would see right through my thinly veiled attempt to
> get you to discontinue this <service>.

You remember an absolutely hilarious URI freshman who sent out
hundreds of clueless emails and wouldn't discontinue even the
<weather service>? I am worse than her.

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02003-07-24 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> On this date in 1929, President Herbert Hoover announced the Kellogg-Briand
> Pact, which renounced war as an instrument of foreign policy.  On this date
> in 2003, UPOTUS said: "Kellogg-Briand Pact---that's something to do with
> cornflakes, right?"

Some people are just so jealous of a can-do, take-charge kinda man

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02003-07-24 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-07-23 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
>
> > > and on a related topic (boring Tushar), I am coming to
> > > Chicago in November.
> >
> > What's this got to do with me?
> >
>
> <ahem>
> are you bored yet?
> clo
> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Wait, wait wait. Did you say ...? So you mean I have gotten
it all wrong? I wasn't even close. Okay. We'll return!

Grave face ...

Fade ...

piano played by Kenny G and Michael Bolton's love child

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Sandra:
>What a waste of time and money.

No argument that the money blown
putting on this binge could be
better spent elsewhere, but why
do you say it's a waste of time?

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lisping cockatiel writes,

>but why do you say it's a waste of time?

Davis has to campaign instead of doing his job; until the election,
Republican legislators will be tempted to stall things like budget
resolution to make Davis look bad.  TV viewers will have to endure stupid
ads and endless speculation about Schwarzenegger.

"If you put up a tent, the circus will come," says Issa's political
adviser, David Gilliard.

<http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/6374386.htm>

Pete

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It doesn't itch any more, but it's still red. When do they go away?

Karen

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I just sent the following to a local friend, but Wordslers are probably
more knowledgeable about the science of coldness -- as in which is
cooler longer, a better-insulated large cooler with lots of blank space
within it or a very flimsy cooler with the contents crammed together?

> PS: Unrelated to the topic -- I meant to add a question to what I just
> wrote -- a "science question."  I know that MSU Edams keep well
> unrefrigerated in cool weather.  But I don't think it's good to let them
> sit around for days in real heat.  I took some on my recent trip to
> Maine to give to various people along the way, but what I did was to put
> them all in a largish cooler with that refreezable ice -- the bags and
> bottles you put in your freezer and then use and then refreeze.  The ice
> stuff lasted surprsingly well the first day and a half.  It was mainly
> still frozen when I got to Brenda and Roger's house in Lynchburg the
> middle of my second day on the road.  I went on and refroze it while
> there.  Then when I arrived in Providence the next night, much of it had
> thawed, which struck me as odd considering that that was just one (long)
> day's drive.  I refroze it in Providence, then a day and a half later
> found it had largely melted again.  That was the end of my
> cheese-delivery route and thus the end of the refreezing.
>
> Ok, so I'm leaving here early tomorrow morning and am taking one MSU
> cheese to give to the organizer of the Sunday event.  And finally to the
> question:  Which way is the ice more likely to stay frozen longer, in a
> large but pretty well-insulated cooler (the same one I took on the Maine
> trip) or in a much smaller but flimsy cooler -- just styrofoam?  Is ice
> happier with the better insulation or being in closer quarters?
>
> I really prefer the Vallagrets, but I know that they shouldn't travel in
> hot weather.  I think the cheese people won't mail them even in winter.
>

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> Sandra:
> >What a waste of time and money.
>
> No argument that the money blown
> putting on this binge could be
> better spent elsewhere, but why
> do you say it's a waste of time?

Well, I was (having heard this earlier) that there is another election in a
year a half..it's not gubernatorial. The next gubernatorial election isn't
scheduled til '06. I just checked the Sec of State's site.

It's a lot of money for a two-year term.

Here's some info from the Sec'y of State:

What is the cost of a special recall election?
The cost could be between $30-$35 million dollars. This is based on
estimates from county elections officials in California and the cost of
producing and mailing a voter information guide to 11 million households.

When would a new Governor take office?
It can take up to 28 days for county elections officials to complete the
official canvass. Once the results are official, then the Secretary of State
will certify the election and the new Governor would take the oath of office
and assume the position.
top

Has a California Governor ever been recalled?
Since the people added the power of the initiative, referendum and recall to
the California Constitution in 1911, there have been 31 previous attempts to
recall California Governors. No previous attempt to recall a California
Governor has reached the ballot.

Sandra

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02003-07-24 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> It doesn't itch any more, but it's still red. When do they go away?

Eat some divine sob-inducing creme brulee!

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Pete, on CA's waste of $$$:
> Davis has to campaign instead of doing his job; until the election,
> Republican legislators will be tempted to stall things like budget
> resolution to make Davis look bad.  TV viewers will have to endure stupid
> ads and endless speculation about Schwarzenegger.

O.K., I see this, and I think I agree with
you that the whole thing is really stupid
(being a thousand or so miles away both
geographically and, er..., culturally,
I take the word of you people who're on
the ground).

But the recall thing (as well as all your
funky voter-initiative hoo-hahs) are part
of your law, and that's the way it is
until you change it.

All elections have the "If you put up a tent,
the circus will come", so I guess what I'm
saying is that this recall election is as
much as waste of time as when we all trudge
off to re-elect our House Representatives
for the umpteenth time.

I mean, my Rep (William Jefferson) hasn't
even changed the picture in his ads since
I've been here.

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02003-07-24 | lisping cockatiel <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> But the recall thing (as well as all your
> funky voter-initiative hoo-hahs) are part
> of your law, and that's the way it is
> until you change it.

well "slap ma fro"

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Since I'm on my high horse (plus, I had
a few winners today at Louisiana Downs),
let me add that I'm one of those freaks
who thinks the House shouldn't have 435
members, it should have 4350.

Your Representative should be someone
you pass in the hallway at work.

Of course, that'd involve these citizens's
servants cutting their pay, benefits, and
gubmint retirement, so it'll never happen,
but a man can dream, can't he?

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> I think that's where I had the lobster salad that will live on in fond
> memory.
>
> Karen

No, you had mussels and crab cakes, I believe.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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Sandra:
> It's a lot of money for a two-year term.

Didn't I say I agreed it was a waste of money?

Or not.  Some people say I drink a lot.

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At 08:03 PM 7/24/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > I think that's where I had the lobster salad that will live on in fond
> > memory.
> >
> > Karen
>
>No, you had mussels and crab cakes, I believe.

You're posting rich.

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...and what the hell, I've got a few
in me (are you listening, Ann B.?):

Why was I not notified how HOTT!1!11
(pix pls thx!) Ann Coulter is?

I'd never seen her, and had assumed
that she was just another screeching
old hag talking head from those TV
talk shows I never watch.

Screeching, yes (I mean, seriously,
rehabbing *McCarthy*???), but ho-lee
crow, not old, not hag.

On her website, she's got a piccie of
herself draped over ol' Gunner Joe's
tombstone.  Talk about a softener.

Ah, Ilsa^WAnn, we'll always have
Paris^Wpage one.

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How very nice it was of you, Adam, to send a music CD to Maureen,
chef/owner of Mache Bistro.  Clyde and I went to eat there tonight for the
first time since the fest and she said to thank you for the CD.  She likes
it very much.

I was a little hesitant to show my face there after the rather loud party
of nine we brought to Mache on the night of July 3rd.  But Maureen assured
us that it was not a problem.  Even worse than nine people with cell
phones, a palm pilot, and digital cameras, the other day she had people in
the restaurant with kazoos.  She did mention, however, "the lady who was a
bit toasted by the end of the night."  I assume she was referring to Bad Betty.

Things are getting a bit back to normal here.  We were able to eat again at
Mache.  And today I apologized for the second time to April, owner of the
Internet Cafe, for the fact that Karen stepped out her window and sat on
her flowers during the July 4th parade.  April was still a bit stunned but
kindly allowed that it was not my fault and that the rest of the group was
orderly and interesting.


bonnie

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Thank you, Bookrat, for the check.  I got it today.  The only outstanding
payment I still need is from Marie.   If you are reading this Marie please
send me an email.  I've tried to email you at the address you use to post
to the list, but it bounces.


bonnie

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On Thursday, July 24, 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> I think that's where I had the lobster salad that will live on in fond
>> memory.
>>
>> Karen

> No, you had mussels and crab cakes, I believe.

You're right, I had the lobster salad in Vermont on the way home.

I had a lot of food that will live on in fond memory on this trip.

Karen

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On Thursday, July 24, 2003, Betty wrote:
> At 08:03 PM 7/24/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> > I think that's where I had the lobster salad that will live on in fond
>> > memory.
>> >
>> > Karen
>>
>>No, you had mussels and crab cakes, I believe.

> You're posting rich.

Two appetizers.

Karen

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On Thursday, July 24, 2003, Bonniemaev wrote:
> And today I apologized for the second time to April, owner of the
> Internet Cafe, for the fact that Karen stepped out her window and sat on
> her flowers during the July 4th parade.

Well, it's great that you apologized for me, but it wasn't necessary.
I didn't mush her flowers. I think it was the kids who were running
around (not the Wilds). I was extremely careful of her flowers, but I
did notice that they were well mushed by the time I got there.

And in fact, I didn't step out the window--I sat on the sill for a
while, but I came from the outside.

I'm rather appalled that you think that I would do such a thing,
Bonnie. That you have it so firmly in your head that I am capable of
this that you found it necessary to apologize twice.

Karen

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>
> Sandra:
> > It's a lot of money for a two-year term.
>
> Didn't I say I agreed it was a waste of money?
>
> Or not.  Some people say I drink a lot.

You did. I concur.

Sandra

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> How very nice it was of you, Adam, to send a music CD to Maureen,
> chef/owner of Mache Bistro.  Clyde and I went to eat there tonight for the
> first time since the fest and she said to thank you for the CD.  She likes
> it very much.
>
> I was a little hesitant to show my face there after the rather loud party
> of nine we brought to Mache on the night of July 3rd.  But Maureen assured
> us that it was not a problem.  Even worse than nine people with cell
> phones, a palm pilot, and digital cameras, the other day she had people in
> the restaurant with kazoos.  She did mention, however, "the lady who was a
> bit toasted by the end of the night."  I assume she was referring
> to Bad Betty.
>
> Things are getting a bit back to normal here.  We were able to
> eat again at
> Mache.  And today I apologized for the second time to April, owner of the
> Internet Cafe, for the fact that Karen stepped out her window and sat on
> her flowers during the July 4th parade.  April was still a bit stunned but
> kindly allowed that it was not my fault and that the rest of the group was
> orderly and interesting.
>
>
> bonnie

Hasn't anyone else noticed that the three nicest wordslers are men.

Sandra

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> >No, you had mussels and crab cakes, I believe.
>
> You're posting rich.

Should be! Got the Visa and cell phone bills today.

Besides, *I* had a salad and a lobster roll at that restaurant of the
pomegranate martinis. No drinks for me that night.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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>How did you manage to stay away from MB so long? I'd eat there once a week
>if I could, if not more.         --Adam

We try to keep our eating out to only one night a week.  The week after
fest we went to Red Sky, the new restaurant owned by friends on the other
side of the island.  It was great.  Last week we spent two nights on
Monhegan Island and counted that as our nights of eating out for the
week.  So this week was the first real opportunity to go back to
Mache.  Next week we might go to XYZ which is the very good Mexican
restaurant on the other side of the island.  I don't think any of you
really had the chance to explore The Quiet Side, as they call it.


bonnie

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> How very nice it was of you, Adam, to send a music CD to Maureen,
> chef/owner of Mache Bistro.  Clyde and I went to eat there tonight for the
> first time since the fest and she said to thank you for the CD.  She likes
> it very much.

Oh, good, I've been meaning to ask you if you'd been back and if she'd
gotten it. I'm glad she enjoys it! For those of you who were there, it's
another CD by Jess Klein, one of the artists we were listening to.

How did you manage to stay away from MB so long? I'd eat there once a week
if I could, if not more.

--Adam
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> Well, it's great that you apologized for me, but it wasn't necessary.
> I didn't mush her flowers.

[snip]

> And in fact, I didn't step out the window--I sat on the sill for a
> while, but I came from the outside.

The flowers were planted in the sill.

--Adam
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>I'm rather appalled that you think that I would do such a thing,
>Bonnie. That you have it so firmly in your head that I am capable of
>this that you found it necessary to apologize twice.
>Karen

Obviously I wasn't there.  Thus I can only believe the story I was
told.  And I was told that you stepped through the window and then sat down
on the flowers.  No ifs, ands, or butts.   The story was told to me with
enough detail that it was hard to deny.  And, if you came from the outside,
you tramped through her fenced flower garden to get to it.


bonnie

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> But the recall thing (as well as all your
> funky voter-initiative hoo-hahs) are part
> of your law, and that's the way it is
> until you change it.
>
> All elections have the "If you put up a tent,
> the circus will come", so I guess what I'm
> saying is that this recall election is as
> much as waste of time as when we all trudge
> off to re-elect our House Representatives
> for the umpteenth time.
>
> I mean, my Rep (William Jefferson) hasn't
> even changed the picture in his ads since
> I've been here.

Now, in hindsight, a cynic would say the whole initial
election was a waste of time and money.  If he hadn't
been elected, nobody would be going through all of
this.


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At 05:37 PM 7/24/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>It doesn't itch any more, but it's still red. When do they go away?

They don't.  You are marked forever.

cwv

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On Thursday, July 24, 2003, Bonniemaev wrote:
> Obviously I wasn't there.  Thus I can only believe the story I was
> told.  And I was told that you stepped through the window and then sat down
> on the flowers.  No ifs, ands, or butts.

Well, it wasn't my butt.

> And, if you came from the outside,
> you tramped through her fenced flower garden to get to it.

I stepped on no living plants.

With the number of people making free with her window, I'm amazed (and
dismayed) she thought to single me out.

Karen

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lisping cockatiel <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>:

>Why was I not notified how HOTT!1!11
>(pix pls thx!) Ann Coulter is?

Don't go out much? or frequent bookstores or libraries? Her
books (with her face on the cover) are prominently displayed
everywhere. I'm shocked that you're only now finding out
about her looks. They're as big a part of her blond pundette
image as her oh-so-provocative comments.

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At 03:26 PM 7/24/2003 -0700, Peter Kaminski wrote:
Davis has to campaign instead of doing his job; until the election,
>Republican legislators will be tempted to stall things like budget
>resolution to make Davis look bad.  TV viewers will have to endure stupid
>ads and endless speculation about Schwarzenegger.
>
>"If you put up a tent, the circus will come," says Issa's political
>adviser, David Gilliard.

With Ohio facing the candicacy of Jerry Springer and California perhaps
facing the candicacy of Big Arnie, the questions arise:  Is Ohio the
California of the midwest, or is California the Ohio of the west?  And is
there a substantial difference therein?   Best of luck to all of you.  Your
one consolation is that it's still better than Texas.

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> Didn't I say I agreed it was a waste of money?
>
> Or not.  Some people say I drink a lot.

M. Cockatiel has unwittingly (or wittily) resolved the
matter.  We should all drink More.



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On Thursday, July 24, 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> Well, it's great that you apologized for me, but it wasn't necessary.
>> I didn't mush her flowers.

> [snip]

>> And in fact, I didn't step out the window--I sat on the sill for a
>> while, but I came from the outside.

> The flowers were planted in the sill.

There were flowers in the sill; there were also flowers in the ground
underneath the sill that were turned into a pulp before I even went
over there. I sat in front of the flowers in the sill, and since there
was no way to climb over without mushing them, I went around to go
inside.

Karen

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On Thursday, July 24, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> At 05:37 PM 7/24/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>It doesn't itch any more, but it's still red. When do they go away?

> They don't.  You are marked forever.

How nice! A souvenir of my trip to Maine.:)

Karen

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At 05:43 PM 7/24/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>I just sent the following to a local friend, but Wordslers are probably
>more knowledgeable about the science of coldness -- as in which is
>cooler longer, a better-insulated large cooler with lots of blank space
>within it or a very flimsy cooler with the contents crammed together?

I can't really speak to the science but were it me, I would opt for a
larger, better insulated cooler.  Even with the blank space, if the
well-insulated cooler was sufficiently chilled, it would retain the cooler
temperatures longer.  Dead air, i.e., blank space, is a reasonably good
insulator---superior to some flimsy covering.

cwv

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  Dead air, i.e., blank space,
> is a reasonably good
> insulator---superior to some flimsy covering.
>
> cwv

I've been told that cramming your refrigerator/cooler
too full will overwhelm the gadgets ability to cool
effectively, therefore, I vote with Dr.


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Alec:
> >She unsubscribed again.
>
>And I have not been posting much to the list.

Yep, you were completely uninvolved this time. Natalie and
Karen were enmeshed in one of those seemingly endless
bickering threads that they often get into and next thing
you know Natalie was gone.

I was going to take bets on when she'd return with a cell
phone question ... too late now.

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> ...and what the hell, I've got a few
> in me (are you listening, Ann B.?):
>
> Why was I not notified how HOTT!1!11
> (pix pls thx!) Ann Coulter is?

She's been around a while.  Where you been?
Must not watch much TV.

                     - D. M.

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In a message dated 7/24/2003 8:44:23 PM Central Daylight Time, cwv@PANAX.COM 
writes:
<<
With Ohio facing the candicacy of Jerry Springer and California perhaps
facing the candicacy of Big Arnie, the questions arise:  Is Ohio the
California of the midwest, or is California the Ohio of the west?  
>>

Ohio has had more than its share of eccentric politicians, from
Ralph Perk, to Dennis Kuchinich, from Dick Celeste, to Jerry.
I miss the level-headed George Voinovich.

Tulsa has been deadly dull as far as politicians go.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> I can't really speak to the science but were it me, I would opt for a
> larger, better insulated cooler.  Even with the blank space, if the
> well-insulated cooler was sufficiently chilled, it would retain the cooler
> temperatures longer.  Dead air, i.e., blank space, is a reasonably good
> insulator---superior to some flimsy covering.

Thanks!  That was what I was already leaning toward, partly because I
brought the larger, better-insulated cooler in from the storage building
today, with the thought of using it, and partly because it served pretty
well on the trip to Maine.  (It's not one of these super-great coolers
that claim to keep ice frozen for eons -- but it's quite a bit
<sturdier> than styrofoam.)  I think the cheese-office person pre the
Maine trip spooked me by acting all freaky about my hauling
unrefrigerated cheese many miles in summer.  I also think she was a new
employee.  I hadn't seen her there before.  The answer I got from the
person I sent that original e-mail to -- the e-mail I quoted in my list
posting -- was "cheese is indestructible!"

Re dead air, I do remember hearing/reading that it's a pretty good
insulator, though I hadn't thought about that in this context until you
mentioned it.  I remember being somewhat appalled when a friend cut
through the wall in my previous house to build the doggy-door and I saw
that there was nothing but <blank air> between the inside wall and the
outside wall.  I said something about the lack of insulation, and I
remember now that he said, "Dead air is a reasonably good insulator."
Or something close to that.

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> I've been told that cramming your refrigerator/cooler
> too full will overwhelm the gadgets ability to cool
> effectively, therefore, I vote with Dr.

Thank you!  I'm feeling good about the plan.  The largish cooler is
sitting on the kitchen floor right now, and inserting fake ice (i.e.,
refreezable ice) and cheese tomorrow will be easy.  I left it in the
back seat of my car en route to Acadiafest, thinking that that was wiser
than in the trunk -- since it would be cooler than in the trunk.  I
guess I should do that tomorrow also.  The trunk doesn't have any
sunlight, of course, but then it's also not air-conditioned.

I love when my life is uncomplicated enough to allow major consideration
to matters like these.

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Seabiscuit opens tomorrow. I wonder if Maria will want to see it ...

Bethany

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Other stinkers I've rented recently (last few months):

Good Girl (dull and meandering. Jennifer Anniston should stick to Friends)
One Hour Photo (Robin Williams should stick to his manic shtick)
Green Mile (this one came highly recommended by friends but
                 I couldn't take it past the first 10 minutes)

I'm in a renting mood again and Adaptation's on my list
though I don't care much for Nicholas Cage. I loved Spike
Jonze's John Malkovich flick so there's hope.

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Ann:

>I figure there's plenty of room on the virtual couch.  I was kinda hoping
>to get a survivor-style multi-logue going.

How's that different from regular list interaction (or intercourse
in Nataliespeak).

Just realized that I've never seen Survivor so I have no idea what
you mean.

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Clyde:

>Last night I watched Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy---all six episodes, with
>Alec Guinness, Ian Richardson, Beryl Reid, and the rest of that great
>cast.

I have fond memories of TinkerTailor and Hono(u)rable Schoolboy. Haven't
seen any of the Smiley books on teevee.

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--- "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU>
wrote:
> Seabiscuit opens tomorrow. I wonder if Maria will
> want to see it ...
>
> Bethany

Without a doubt.  Have you seen her since the
lightning tragedy?  Is she recovered?


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In a message dated 7/24/2003 9:35:55 PM Central Daylight Time, 
aborkin@RAHUL.NET writes:
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I don't know who Ann Coulter is.

>>

She's a conservative author.

Evelyn Duncan
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Ann Borkin wrote:

> (are you listening, Natalie M?  Do you know who Ann Coulter is?  I bet
> not!)

Why do you bet not?  How would somebody not know who she was?  She's
mentioned in magazine articles frequently.  She's a Neo-Nazi who thinks
McCarthy was great.

Bye for now.  Maybe forever.  Rashmi's posting that I just read made me
realize that it was <ridicule-invoking> to hop off and on the list.

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> Seabiscuit opens tomorrow. I wonder if Maria will want to see it ...
>
> Bethany

This is when you need the old drive-in theater.
(Ride-in?)

Anyway, I'm anxious to see Seabiscuit.
Sounds good.

                         - D. M.

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On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > And in fact, I didn't step out the window--I sat on the sill for a
> > while, but I came from the outside.
>
> The flowers were planted in the sill.

ha ha ha ha thanks Adam, just a leetle less niceness is very attractive.

Ann

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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> I'm in a renting mood again and Adaptation's on my list
> though I don't care much for Nicholas Cage. I loved Spike
> Jonze's John Malkovich flick so there's hope.

The dial tone scene in Adaptations is my favorite movie scene that I can
remember.

Which scene do you like from that movie, Richard?

Ann

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On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Bye for now.  Maybe forever.  Rashmi's posting that I just read made me
> realize that it was <ridicule-invoking> to hop off and on the list.

Oh, Natalie, everything is ridicule-invoking.  This is the ridicule list!
I say hop on, hop off, I think that is an excellent solution.  Use us!

Ann

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  She's a
> Neo-Nazi who thinks
> McCarthy was great.

She's wrong, he was wrong, and there is no inclination
to ridicule.

>
> Bye for now.  Maybe forever.  Rashmi's posting that
> I just read made me
> realize that it was <ridicule-invoking> to hop off
> and on the list.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

So when you come back, stay back.


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> ...and what the hell, I've got a few
> in me (are you listening, Ann B.?):

Why, yes, as a matter of fact!
Cheers!

>
> Why was I not notified how HOTT!1!11
> (pix pls thx!) Ann Coulter is?

I don't know who Ann Coulter is.

(are you listening, Natalie M?  Do you know who Ann Coulter is?  I bet
not!)

Ann

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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Just realized that I've never seen Survivor so I have no idea what
> you mean.

Well, Survivor is the only one since I've been on the list that people
follow and write about almost concurrently, and week after week after
week.

Looks like I'm not going to get it taped.  Damn.  I think I might like
this program.

Ann

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On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, sandra wrote:
>
> Hasn't anyone else noticed that the three nicest wordslers are men.

Adam, Pete, and ?  Espen or Paul, I bet.

God, this just makes me want to provoke them into public nastiness.
Except, I am so nice, and I know them so little, that I don't know how.

Ann

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On Thursday, July 24, 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> I was going to take bets on when she'd return with a cell
> phone question ... too late now.

Nah, she came back with the ice question. She'll be back again.

Karen

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> ha ha ha ha thanks Adam, just a leetle less niceness
> is very attractive.
>
> Ann

If there's moderately successful way to stir him up,
I'm betting on you to discover it.


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On Thursday, July 24, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, sandra wrote:
>>
>> Hasn't anyone else noticed that the three nicest wordslers are men.

> Adam, Pete, and ?  Espen or Paul, I bet.

> God, this just makes me want to provoke them into public nastiness.
> Except, I am so nice, and I know them so little, that I don't know how.

I do.

Karen

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> Anyway, I'm anxious to see Seabiscuit.
> Sounds good.
>
>                          - D. M.

Have you seen the original, which I believe was Liz
Taylor's first movie as an adult?  If so, after you've
seen the new one, I'd like to hear how you would rate
them.


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> > Anyway, I'm anxious to see Seabiscuit.
> > Sounds good.
> >
> >                          - D. M.
>
> Have you seen the original, which I believe was Liz
> Taylor's first movie as an adult?  If so, after you've
> seen the new one, I'd like to hear how you would rate
> them.
>
I think you mean Shirley Temple.
I did see it, but don't remember much about it.
It was 1949, you know.

           - D. M.

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> I think you mean Shirley Temple.
> I did see it, but don't remember much about it.
> It was 1949, you know.
>
>            - D. M.

Sorry, Shirley Temple.  It's kind of hard to make that
mistake, but I managed.  I watch TCM all the time, so
I never really think of when the movie actually first
came out.  Tonight was Harlow night - fun, for me.


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Natalie:

>Bye for now.  Maybe forever.  Rashmi's posting that I just read made me
>realize that it was <ridicule-invoking> to hop off and on the list.

As the designated list-meanie that's what I do. Make remarks
about people's comings and goings. Why pay attention now?

(I do think it's funny to unsub every time you want to take
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On 24 Jul 2003 at 19:44, Ann Borkin wrote:

> Adam, Pete, and ?  Espen or Paul, I bet.

How could you be so far off the mark?
Tushar, Alec, and Dan.

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If anyone sees Ben Ostrowsky any time soon, please tell him I really,
really apologize for continuing to hijack his clever construct, viz:


Out-Of-Context Theater presents:

>the bottoms have their own beauty.

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clyde w. voigtlander:
= At 05:43 PM 7/24/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= >I just sent the following to a local friend, but Wordslers are probably
= >more knowledgeable about the science of coldness -- as in which is
= >cooler longer, a better-insulated large cooler with lots of blank space
= >within it or a very flimsy cooler with the contents crammed together?
=
= I can't really speak to the science but were it me, I would opt for a
= larger, better insulated cooler.  Even with the blank space, if the
= well-insulated cooler was sufficiently chilled, it would retain the cooler
= temperatures longer.  Dead air, i.e., blank space, is a reasonably good
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=
= cwv

We actually did this in third grade science with ice cubes and
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lisping cockatiel writes,

>Since I'm on my high horse (plus, I had a few winners today at Louisiana
>Downs), let me add that I'm one of those freaks who thinks the House
>shouldn't have 435 members, it should have 4350.

I'm for direct democracy. :)

Pete

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Bookrat:
= If anyone sees Ben Ostrowsky any time soon, please tell him I really,

he's here:
http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?lastnode_id=464180&node_id=5988

be careful not to get sucked in.

= really apologize for continuing to hijack his clever construct, viz:
=
=
= Out-Of-Context Theater presents:
=
= >the bottoms have their own beauty.

I saw it, I thought it, and you know she did it on purpose.

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Ann:

>Oh, Natalie, everything is ridicule-invoking.  This is the ridicule list!
>I say hop on, hop off, I think that is an excellent solution.  Use us!

I agree. There was a lot of discussion when Natalie unsubbed before
Acadiafest because it seemed unprecedented but not much this time.
Next time even I won't have anything to say.

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10:16 24.07.2003 -0500 skrev Rita Chapman:
>If anybody cares to see some photos from our hike yesterday:
>
>http://www.etext.org/~rita/columbiabottom.html
>
>It's not Acadia, but the bottoms have their own beauty.

And I never expected to see an Irish setter look as tired as that.

Great photos!

Espen

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11:46 24.07.2003 -0500 skrev lisping cockatiel:
>Kristen:
>> Those drunken drivers...!
>
>Don't get me started.  The sober ones
>are dangerous enough.
>
>What are the Estonian laws regarding
>drunk driving?  This (questionable)
>list doesn't mention Estonia.
>
>http://webpages.charter.net/ricknet/duilaws.htm
>
>Laws here vary from state to state, and in
>some are almost comically lenient.

Questionable is the right term here.

Espen

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On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>> Seabiscuit opens tomorrow. I wonder if Maria will
>> want to see it ...
>
>Without a doubt.  Have you seen her since the
>lightning tragedy?  Is she recovered?

I have not been to PF since Tu - I will see her later today or in the
morning. David probably rode her on Wed. She was really okay Tu - but I
was glad I could spend quite a bit of time with her that day.

Horses benefit enormously from being herd animals.

Bethany

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On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

>> Seabiscuit opens tomorrow. I wonder if Maria will want to see it ...
>>
>
>This is when you need the old drive-in theater.
>(Ride-in?)

What a fab idea! A ride-in theater. There may be enough fox hunters in
this area to get one going!

Bethany

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On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>Have you seen the original, which I believe was Liz
>Taylor's first movie as an adult?  If so, after you've
>seen the new one, I'd like to hear how you would rate
>them.

Shirley Temple. No. I was never a Shirley Temple fan.

Bethany

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19:44 24.07.2003 -0700 skrev Ann Borkin:
>On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, sandra wrote:
>>
>> Hasn't anyone else noticed that the three nicest wordslers are men.
>
>Adam, Pete, and ?  Espen or Paul, I bet.
>
>God, this just makes me want to provoke them into public nastiness.
>Except, I am so nice, and I know them so little, that I don't know how.

I am publicly nasty at times.

Espen

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At 01:50 PM 7/25/2003 +0200, Espen Ore wrote:
>10:16 24.07.2003 -0500 skrev Rita Chapman:
> >If anybody cares to see some photos from our hike yesterday:
> >
> >http://www.etext.org/~rita/columbiabottom.html
> >
> >It's not Acadia, but the bottoms have their own beauty.
>
>And I never expected to see an Irish setter look as tired as that.
>
>Great photos!

Yes!  Will we go there?

Betty

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>
>
> On 24 Jul 2003 at 19:44, Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> > Adam, Pete, and ?  Espen or Paul, I bet.
>
> How could you be so far off the mark?
> Tushar, Alec, and Dan.

If I add Espen, I'd make it a list of four.

Sandra

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> lisping cockatiel writes,
>
> >Since I'm on my high horse (plus, I had a few winners today at Louisiana
> >Downs), let me add that I'm one of those freaks who thinks the House
> >shouldn't have 435 members, it should have 4350.
>
> I'm for direct democracy. :)
>
> Pete

Would you quit your day job so you could be informed on that which you have
to vote on?

Sandra

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> On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> >Have you seen the original, which I believe was Liz
> >Taylor's first movie as an adult?  If so, after you've
> >seen the new one, I'd like to hear how you would rate
> >them.
>
> Shirley Temple. No. I was never a Shirley Temple fan.
>
> Bethany

I am. My mother has a few of those Shirley Temple mugs. How can you not like
Shirley Temple?

Sandra

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At 04:09 PM 7/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>02003-07-24 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@COMCAST.NET> writes:
> > At 10:29 AM 7/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >02003-07-24 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@COMCAST.NET> writes:
> >
> > >> >I must say I am gratified by all the flaming this nasty boring
> > >> >man has gotten on this service. I am almost about to resubscribe.
> > >>
> > >> I saw Charlie Rose on 60 II last night and I liked him.
> > >
> > >That's because you were wearing those "comfortable pants".
> >
> > I should have known you would see right through my thinly veiled attempt to
> > get you to discontinue this <service>.
>
>You remember an absolutely hilarious URI freshman who sent out
>hundreds of clueless emails and wouldn't discontinue even the
><weather service>? I am worse than her.

I do not remember a URI freshman.
I do remember the weather list and it was short lived.
You are worse than her.
I also remember a startled, speechless, Indian on a T Platform in
Cambridge. I liked him then.

lisa
who started URI as a sophomore and didn't start this list until she was a
junior so THERE mutha fuckah!

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> 19:44 24.07.2003 -0700 skrev Ann Borkin:
> >On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, sandra wrote:
> >>
> >> Hasn't anyone else noticed that the three nicest wordslers are men.
> >
> >Adam, Pete, and ?  Espen or Paul, I bet.
> >
> >God, this just makes me want to provoke them into public nastiness.
> >Except, I am so nice, and I know them so little, that I don't know how.
>
> I am publicly nasty at times.
>
> Espen

Ok...back to three.

Sandra

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At 07:03 PM 7/24/2003 -0500, lisping cockatiel wrote:
>Since I'm on my high horse (plus, I had
>a few winners today at Louisiana Downs),
>let me add that I'm one of those freaks
>who thinks the House shouldn't have 435
>members, it should have 4350.
>
>Your Representative should be someone
>you pass in the hallway at work.
>
>Of course, that'd involve these citizens's
>servants cutting their pay, benefits, and
>gubmint retirement, so it'll never happen,
>but a man can dream, can't he?

And how much do you think this large body of volunteer representatives
would accomplish?

lisa

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rashmi:
> Don't go out much? or frequent bookstores or libraries?

1) Evidently not enough; 2) no, about
the only thing I don't buy online is food;
and 3) NOLA's library is just getting the
new issues of 1993.

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- D. M.
> She's been around a while.  Where you been?
> Must not watch much TV.

Not 'til football season.

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On Friday, July 25, 2003, lisping cockatiel wrote:
> - D. M.
>> She's been around a while.  Where you been?
>> Must not watch much TV.

> Not 'til football season.

She used to be on Bill Maher (who apparently had a crush on her) all
the time.

Karen

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AB:
>> ...and what the hell, I've got a few
>> in me (are you listening, Ann B.?):
> Why, yes, as a matter of fact!

Good.  After your mistake with the
years-sober Lynne, I wanted to make
sure you had a certified example
of a PWI, for further study.

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With all due respect Bonnie, why are you apologizing for us? I don't think
we did anything wrong. Even if you do think we were <bad>, how many times
do you have to apologize?

To the rest of the world Bar Harbor, is a tourist destination. With
tourists come, odd, outrageous and downright bad behavior. I know you were
worried about this when you agreed to host the event. And I realize the
source of your worry was because to you Bar Harbor is not a vacation spot
but it's your home. I seriously don't think anyone did anything to soil
your name within the community.

A party of 9 is never quiet. Ever. We were the only ones in the restaurant.
We paid a nice price for our dinner and ensuing entertainment. We were
appreciative, complimentary and respectful. I do not believe anyone was out
of line or demanding that night.

Kazoos must be the in thing this year. While we were camping last week the
group across from us whipped out their Kazoos and "played" a few tunes.

I wasn't there for the "Karen sitting on the flowers" portion of the
weekend. Even if it was as bad as you make it sound, one sincere apology on
your part would have been more than enough. I say this because the
responsibility lies on the perpetrator and not an innocent associate who
wasn't even present.

Everyone in the group was appreciative of yours and Clyde's efforts as was
evident by the number of nods you received during our fest reports.
Overall I thought the event was fantastic. Tina and I had a great time in
Bar Harbor. We enjoyed spending time on our own as well as with the group.

I look forward to seeing and enjoying both you and your beautiful adopted
home of Bar Harbor again.

lisa
At 08:29 PM 7/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>How very nice it was of you, Adam, to send a music CD to Maureen,
>chef/owner of Mache Bistro.  Clyde and I went to eat there tonight for the
>first time since the fest and she said to thank you for the CD.  She likes
>it very much.
>
>I was a little hesitant to show my face there after the rather loud party
>of nine we brought to Mache on the night of July 3rd.  But Maureen assured
>us that it was not a problem.  Even worse than nine people with cell
>phones, a palm pilot, and digital cameras, the other day she had people in
>the restaurant with kazoos.  She did mention, however, "the lady who was a
>bit toasted by the end of the night."  I assume she was referring to Bad
>Betty.
>
>Things are getting a bit back to normal here.  We were able to eat again at
>Mache.  And today I apologized for the second time to April, owner of the
>Internet Cafe, for the fact that Karen stepped out her window and sat on
>her flowers during the July 4th parade.  April was still a bit stunned but
>kindly allowed that it was not my fault and that the rest of the group was
>orderly and interesting.
>
>
>bonnie

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At 08:29 PM 7/24/2003 -0400, Bonniemaev wrote:
>I was a little hesitant to show my face there after the rather loud party
>of nine we brought to Mache on the night of July 3rd.  But Maureen assured
>us that it was not a problem.  Even worse than nine people with cell
>phones, a palm pilot, and digital cameras, the other day she had people in
>the restaurant with kazoos.  She did mention, however, "the lady who was a
>bit toasted by the end of the night."  I assume she was referring to Bad
>Betty.

Bonnie, you "assume" to think the worst of me starting from thinking I
would stiff the Inn, interfering with the t-shirts, and thinking I was
telling everyone how stressed you were about doing the event.

I'm sitting here thinking I should have driven the RV back, parked in front
of your house and thrown the empties on your neighbor's lawn.  Then you
would REALLY have something to talk about.

BB

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At 07:32 PM 7/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>On Thursday, July 24, 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> >> I think that's where I had the lobster salad that will live on in fond
> >> memory.
> >>
> >> Karen
>
> > No, you had mussels and crab cakes, I believe.
>
>You're right, I had the lobster salad in Vermont on the way home.
>
>I had a lot of food that will live on in fond memory on this trip.
>
>Karen

Foodie!

lisa

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At 05:43 PM 7/24/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>Hasn't anyone else noticed that the three nicest wordslers are men.
>
>Sandra

And conversely the three most annoying wordslers are women.

lisa

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On Friday, July 25, 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
> Foodie!

Takes one to know one!

Karen

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Pete:
> I'm for direct democracy. :)

Absolutely!

Well, once we restrict the franchise
to the <right kind> of people.

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On Friday, July 25, 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
> At 05:43 PM 7/24/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>>Hasn't anyone else noticed that the three nicest wordslers are men.
>>
>>Sandra

> And conversely the three most annoying wordslers are women.

Sandra, Sandra, Sandra?

Karen

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Natalie:
>She's a Neo-Nazi who thinks

Ah, well that explains it.  I hang only
with the genuine article.

(jeez, is she wearing CFMs in that
pic with the rifle or is it just
the way she's holding her leg?)

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Ann:
> Which scene do you like from that movie, Richard?

Didn't see it.  Last flick I saw was,
I think, Minority Report (or maybe it
was the atrocious Sweet Home Alabama;
I have repressed most of that memory.


Hey, nice right-margin, d00d!

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lisa:
> And how much do you think this large body of volunteer representatives
> would accomplish?

Fruitcake!

More fruitcake!

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On Friday, July 25, 2003, lisping cockatiel wrote:
> lisa:
>> And how much do you think this large body of volunteer representatives
>> would accomplish?

> Fruitcake!

> More fruitcake!

My question to Lisa is, "How much do you think the current bunch of
representatives accomplishes?"

I'm still angry about the stupid redistricting wars here. Though I
guess that Lloyd Doggett should be pleased that he's perceived as a
major thorn in the Republican leadership's side.

Karen

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Mmmmm...wasn't "what happened in Bar Harbor" supposed to "stay in Bar
Harbor"?

Rita L.

--

Rita Leonard
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"Whether you believe you can do a thing
 or not, you are right."  Henry Ford

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Has it hit your Area?

Didn't we last see this on Bill Clinton's mother?

Ann

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>With the number of people making free with her window, I'm amazed (and
>dismayed) she thought to single me out.         --Karen

Well, at least I understand now why you didn't apologize to her.  You are
still not even aware that you sat on her flowers.


bonnie

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>A party of 9 is never quiet. Ever. We were the only ones in the restaurant.

We were NOT the only ones in the restaurant.  There were at least three
other tables occupied on the other side of the restaurant.

>I do not believe anyone was out of line or demanding that night.

It was not a matter of being demanding.  I simply don't see it as proper
restaurant behavior to pass cell phones around between two tables and shout
"can you hear me now" repeatedly into them.

>I look forward to seeing and enjoying both you and your beautiful adopted
>home of Bar Harbor again.         --lisa

Good.  You are certainly correct that restaurant owners see strange tourist
behavior all season.  And, in fact, Maureen was not the least bit disturbed
by our group of nine.  April, on the other hand, was quite shocked by the
sitting-on-the-flowers incident.  Some of the group noticed her horrified,
jaw-dropping expression at the time.


bonnie

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At 02:21 AM 7/25/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>Clyde:
>
>>Last night I watched Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy---all six episodes, with
>>Alec Guinness, Ian Richardson, Beryl Reid, and the rest of that great
>>cast.
>
>I have fond memories of TinkerTailor and Hono(u)rable Schoolboy. Haven't
>seen any of the Smiley books on teevee.

Tinker, Tailor was produced for PBS (at least that is who aired it) many
moons ago--mid to late 70s.  Smiley's People, the last in the Karla
trilogy, aired on A&E as I recall, probably mid 80---same cast of major
characters, including Patrick Stewart as Karla.  I don't think that
Honourable has been done for TV.

cwv

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On Friday, July 25, 2003, Bonniemaev wrote:
> Well, at least I understand now why you didn't apologize to her.  You are
> still not even aware that you sat on her flowers.

No, Bonnie. I *know* I didn't sit on her flowers.

Karen

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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Bonniemaev wrote:

> It was not a matter of being demanding.  I simply don't see it as proper
> restaurant behavior to pass cell phones around between two tables and shout
> "can you hear me now" repeatedly into them.

I don't see Bonniemaev making this up.  That's pretty bad.  Case closed,
ruffians and yokels!

Ann

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At 09:43 AM 7/25/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>On Friday, July 25, 2003, lisping cockatiel wrote:
> > lisa:
> >> And how much do you think this large body of volunteer representatives
> >> would accomplish?
>
> > Fruitcake!
>
> > More fruitcake!
>
>My question to Lisa is, "How much do you think the current bunch of
>representatives accomplishes?"

A radio talk show host once said, "the Italian Parliament is like three men
going into a room and coming out with four different opinions". I'm of the
opinion that adding more representatives would have a similar effect.

Now I have a question, is everyone of the opinion that our government
doesn't accomplish enough? If you say yes,  what country, with as similar
an infrastructure to ours as possible, should we model ourselves after? And
of course why?

lisa


>I'm still angry about the stupid redistricting wars here. Though I
>guess that Lloyd Doggett should be pleased that he's perceived as a
>major thorn in the Republican leadership's side.
>
>Karen

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7/24/2003, 3:02 PM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

cwv> On this date in 1929, President Herbert Hoover announced the Kellogg-Briand
cwv> Pact, which renounced war as an instrument of foreign policy.  On this date
cwv> in 2003, UPOTUS said: "Kellogg-Briand Pact---that's something to do with
cwv> cornflakes, right?"

Cite, please.


dan

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At 11:04 AM 7/25/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>>A party of 9 is never quiet. Ever. We were the only ones in the restaurant.
>
>We were NOT the only ones in the restaurant.  There were at least three
>other tables occupied on the other side of the restaurant.

I saw one but I'm not going to argue with you because I know you were
accutely more aware of this than I.

>It was not a matter of being demanding.  I simply don't see it as proper
>restaurant behavior to pass cell phones around between two tables and
>shout "can you hear me now" repeatedly into them.

Cell phones are definitely bad behavior, I will give you that. Although I
joined in saying hello to Brad, I am not a fan of anyone talking on a cell,
for any reason, in a restaurant.

>bonnie

lisa

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7/24/2003, 6:43 PM, sandra wrote:

s> Hasn't anyone else noticed that the three nicest wordslers are men.

Thank you very much.

dan

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7/24/2003, 8:48 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

NM> Bye for now.  Maybe forever.  Rashmi's posting that I just read made me
NM> realize that it was <ridicule-invoking> to hop off and on the list.

No, not ridicule invoking.  Just shows that people care about you.
Now if you just set nomail, that would be less obvious.

dan

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At 08:41 AM 7/25/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>I am developing  theory that, when things begin to
>stale on this list, some of you back-channel each
>other to decide what the next combustible subject
>might be.  It's just a theory.  Or am I another victim
>of a vast right-wing conspiracy.

Personally, I do not back channel often or with many. In the past say,
year, I've had limited conversations with maybe 5 people.

lisa

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7/25/2003, 8:26 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

>> And conversely the three most annoying wordslers are women.

KK> Sandra, Sandra, Sandra?

Wrong.  Karen gets a place on the list.  And Sandra. And I'll leave
the other one nameless.....


dan

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7/25/2003, 8:58 AM, Bonniemaev wrote:

>>With the number of people making free with her window, I'm amazed (and
>>dismayed) she thought to single me out.         --Karen

B> Well, at least I understand now why you didn't apologize to her.  You are
B> still not even aware that you sat on her flowers.

   Some people aren't aware of the dimensions of their feet, or their
   asses.

dan

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--- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> On Friday, July 25, 2003, Bonniemaev wrote:
> > Well, at least I understand now why you didn't
> apologize to her.  You are
> > still not even aware that you sat on her flowers.
>
> No, Bonnie. I *know* I didn't sit on her flowers.
>
> Karen

For instance, who would have guessed one could get
such a lot of mileage out of "mushed flowers"?

Of course, as this sort of things seem to amuse T.S.,
perhaps it's an effort to keep him from straying from
the list.


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Dan Lester wrote:

> 7/25/2003, 8:58 AM, Bonniemaev wrote:
>
>
>>>With the number of people making free with her window, I'm amazed (and
>>>dismayed) she thought to single me out.         --Karen
>>>
>
> B> Well, at least I understand now why you didn't apologize to her.  You are
> B> still not even aware that you sat on her flowers.
>
>    Some people aren't aware of the dimensions of their feet, or their
>    asses.



        I prefer to remain in denial about the dimensions of my ass
these days, thankyouverymuch.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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7/25/2003, 9:53 AM, Rita Chapman wrote:

>>    Some people aren't aware of the dimensions of their feet, or their
>>    asses.

RC>         I prefer to remain in denial about the dimensions of my ass
RC> these days, thankyouverymuch.

That's OK.  But you didn't sit on any flowers, did you?  I'd never try
to deny the constitutional right to be ignorant of ass size to anyone
of any gender or sexual orientation.


dan

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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael E. Macmillan
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>On 24 Jul 2003 at 19:44, Ann Borkin wrote:
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>> Adam, Pete, and ?  Espen or Paul, I bet.
>
>How could you be so far off the mark?
>Tushar, Alec, and Dan.
>

I am sweet.


alec

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Dan Lester wrote:

> 7/25/2003, 9:53 AM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>>   Some people aren't aware of the dimensions of their feet, or their
>>>   asses.
>>>
>
> RC>         I prefer to remain in denial about the dimensions of my ass
> RC> these days, thankyouverymuch.
>
> That's OK.  But you didn't sit on any flowers, did you?  I'd never try
> to deny the constitutional right to be ignorant of ass size to anyone
> of any gender or sexual orientation.


        No, I wasn't at the parade at all.  I hadn't arrived in town
just yet.  I'm sure I did something egregious at some point,
though; I always do.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 11:03:24 -0500
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Betty wrote:

> At 01:50 PM 7/25/2003 +0200, Espen Ore wrote:
>
>> 10:16 24.07.2003 -0500 skrev Rita Chapman:
>> >If anybody cares to see some photos from our hike yesterday:
>> >
>> >http://www.etext.org/~rita/columbiabottom.html
>> >
>> >It's not Acadia, but the bottoms have their own beauty.
>>
>> And I never expected to see an Irish setter look as tired as that.
>>
>> Great photos!
>
>
> Yes!  Will we go there?


        I think you're better suited to Iowa Island.




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Natalie Maynor wrote:

>
> Bye for now.  Maybe forever.  Rashmi's posting that I just read made me
> realize that it was <ridicule-invoking> to hop off and on the list.


        Rashmi, you big meanie.



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7/24/2003, 8:09 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

BKD> Seabiscuit opens tomorrow. I wonder if Maria will want to see it ...

It premiered in Boise last Thursday night, a week ago.  Opens in other
local theaters today.  No, didn't go, as the premiere was $35, or $75
if you wanted to go to the party afterwards at Boise Art Museum.

dan

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I am developing  theory that, when things begin to
stale on this list, some of you back-channel each
other to decide what the next combustible subject
might be.  It's just a theory.  Or am I another victim
of a vast right-wing conspiracy.

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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, sandra wrote:

>I am. My mother has a few of those Shirley Temple mugs. How can you not like
>Shirley Temple?

I did not dislike her - I just did not identify with her - no turnon at
all. How much of a tomboy was she?

I was probably reading the Hardy Boys instead.

Bethany

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> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, sandra wrote:
>
> >I am. My mother has a few of those Shirley Temple mugs. How can you
not like
> >Shirley Temple?
>
> I did not dislike her - I just did not identify with her - no turnon
at
> all. How much of a tomboy was she?
>
> I was probably reading the Hardy Boys instead.
>
> Bethany

In my opinion the movies she made as a teenager
and an adult were not so good.  I think her best
movies were the very early ones when she was
only 3 - 6 years old.  She was just a natural and
very talented.  Beyond that point you could see
her lose her innocence, and what showed was no
longer her natural talent so much as a contrived
and directed performance with often some
pretty mediocre scripts.     I'm probably not
describing this well but, alas, I see the same thing
happening to all children, actors or not, to some
extent.  Before 7 we're as real as we'll ever be.

                         - D. M.

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sandra writes,

>Would you quit your day job so you could be informed on that which you have
>to vote on?

No, I'd rely on a network of friends and acquaintances, and their friends
and acquaintances, to keep me informed.

Words-l, of course, is one of those networks. :)

Pete

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Lynne Weber writes,

>I am developing  theory that, when things begin to
>stale on this list, some of you back-channel each
>other to decide what the next combustible subject
>might be.

Honey chile, they been doin' this so long they knows what the other one's
gonna say before they says it.

Words-l is like a flock of birds, turning and wheeling in an artful display
of phatic drivel.  Birds don't need radios to know where to go; wordslers
don't need to back-channel to know where to combust.

Pete

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At 08:41 AM 7/25/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
>I am developing  theory that, when things begin to
>stale on this list, some of you back-channel each
>other to decide what the next combustible subject
>might be.  It's just a theory.  Or am I another victim
>of a vast right-wing conspiracy.

I cannot claim that it doesn't happen, or never has happened, but I don't
believe it to be common.  More likely, some wordslers like to stir things
up when the list seems to be lethargic.

cwv

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Lynne Weber:
= I am developing  theory that, when things begin to
= stale on this list, some of you back-channel each
= other to decide what the next combustible subject
= might be.  It's just a theory.  Or am I another victim
= of a vast right-wing conspiracy.
=

That's ok.  I still have a theory that you're the best Tushar
alter ego we've seen yet.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Friday, July 25, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>>
>
>>>Words-l is like a flock of birds, turning and wheeling in an artful display
>>>of phatic drivel.  Birds don't need radios to know where to go; wordslers
>>>don't need to back-channel to know where to combust.
>>>
>
>>A keeper! Thank you, Peter!
>>
>
> If it were true, though, no one would have beat up on Natalie,
> prompting her to leave.


        That doesn't even follow, Karen.



--
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On Friday, July 25, 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> Anyone else read -The No.1 Ladies' Detective Agency-?

No, but it sounds good. APL has three different versions, one of which
is published by Columbia University. What's up with that?

Have you read anything by Richard Powers? How was it?

Karen

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On Friday, July 25, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> On Friday, July 25, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>>On Friday, July 25, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Words-l is like a flock of birds, turning and wheeling in an artful display
>>>>>>of phatic drivel.  Birds don't need radios to know where to go; wordslers
>>>>>>don't need to back-channel to know where to combust.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>A keeper! Thank you, Peter!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>If it were true, though, no one would have beat up on Natalie,
>>>>prompting her to leave.
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>        That doesn't even follow, Karen.
>>>
>>
>> Hm.
>>
>> I think that most people were surprised when she left, and that no one
>> actively wished her to leave. Am I wrong? What am I missing?


>         Just because one knows where the weaknesses lie, doesn't
> necessarily mean one is capable of refraining from zeroing in.

Okay.

So it should be "Words-l, where those with poor impulse control
survive."

Karen

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A book review.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2085977/

Karen

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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:

>Words-l is like a flock of birds, turning and wheeling in an artful display
>of phatic drivel.  Birds don't need radios to know where to go; wordslers
>don't need to back-channel to know where to combust.

A keeper! Thank you, Peter!

Bethany

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On Friday, July 25, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:

>>Words-l is like a flock of birds, turning and wheeling in an artful display
>>of phatic drivel.  Birds don't need radios to know where to go; wordslers
>>don't need to back-channel to know where to combust.

> A keeper! Thank you, Peter!

If it were true, though, no one would have beat up on Natalie,
prompting her to leave.

Karen

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On Friday, July 25, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> On Friday, July 25, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>>Words-l is like a flock of birds, turning and wheeling in an artful display
>>>>of phatic drivel.  Birds don't need radios to know where to go; wordslers
>>>>don't need to back-channel to know where to combust.
>>>>
>>
>>>A keeper! Thank you, Peter!
>>>
>>
>> If it were true, though, no one would have beat up on Natalie,
>> prompting her to leave.


>         That doesn't even follow, Karen.

Hm.

I think that most people were surprised when she left, and that no one
actively wished her to leave. Am I wrong? What am I missing?

Karen

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7/25/2003, 11:03 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> If it were true, though, no one would have beat up on Natalie,
KK> prompting her to leave.

Bullshit alert.  This is words-fucking-l, where only the strong
survive.

dan

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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, sandra wrote:
>
> >I am. My mother has a few of those Shirley Temple mugs. How can you not like
> >Shirley Temple?
> I did not dislike her - I just did not identify with her - no turnon at
> all. How much of a tomboy was she?

Shirley Temple:  sickly sweet as a NECCO candy.

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On Friday, July 25, 2003, Dan Lester wrote:
> 7/25/2003, 11:03 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK>> If it were true, though, no one would have beat up on Natalie,
KK>> prompting her to leave.

> Bullshit alert.  This is words-fucking-l, where only the strong
> survive.

Bullshit alert. Only the obnoxious survive.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Friday, July 25, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>
>>>On Friday, July 25, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Words-l is like a flock of birds, turning and wheeling in an artful display
>>>>>of phatic drivel.  Birds don't need radios to know where to go; wordslers
>>>>>don't need to back-channel to know where to combust.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>A keeper! Thank you, Peter!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>If it were true, though, no one would have beat up on Natalie,
>>>prompting her to leave.
>>>
>
>
>>        That doesn't even follow, Karen.
>>
>
> Hm.
>
> I think that most people were surprised when she left, and that no one
> actively wished her to leave. Am I wrong? What am I missing?


        Just because one knows where the weaknesses lie, doesn't
necessarily mean one is capable of refraining from zeroing in.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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How do you all clean your window screens?

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7/25/2003, 11:09 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> I think that most people were surprised when she left, and that no one
KK> actively wished her to leave. Am I wrong? What am I missing?

That is correct on both counts.  But she wasn't beat up on.  And was
certainly "abused" less at that time than on many other occasions over
the years.  If she had issues that compounded the normal level of
abuse, she didn't share them with us as far as I know.  And thus we
couldn't do anything about them.


dan

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7/25/2003, 11:17 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK>>> If it were true, though, no one would have beat up on Natalie,
KK>>> prompting her to leave.

>> Bullshit alert.  This is words-fucking-l, where only the strong
>> survive.

KK> Bullshit alert. Only the obnoxious survive.

   And that's why you're still here.

dan

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Take them all out.  Lay some very long 2x4s (or whatever you have handy
that will keep screens off the ground) down on your driveway.  Set the
screens on the 2x4s and spray with the garden hose.  It isn't  perfect
but it does get done pretty quickly.

Rita L.

Betty wrote:

> How do you all clean your window screens?


--

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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Friday, July 25, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>
>>>On Friday, July 25, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Friday, July 25, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Words-l is like a flock of birds, turning and wheeling in an artful display
>>>>>>>of phatic drivel.  Birds don't need radios to know where to go; wordslers
>>>>>>>don't need to back-channel to know where to combust.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>A keeper! Thank you, Peter!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>If it were true, though, no one would have beat up on Natalie,
>>>>>prompting her to leave.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>       That doesn't even follow, Karen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Hm.
>>>
>>>I think that most people were surprised when she left, and that no one
>>>actively wished her to leave. Am I wrong? What am I missing?
>>>
>
>
>>        Just because one knows where the weaknesses lie, doesn't
>>necessarily mean one is capable of refraining from zeroing in.
>>
>
> Okay.
>
> So it should be "Words-l, where those with poor impulse control
> survive."


        I'll buy that.  My impulse control issues are well documented.




--
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On Friday, July 25, 2003, Betty wrote:
> How do you all clean your window screens?

For my house? I never have.

Karen

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7/25/2003, 11:22 AM, Betty wrote:

B> How do you all clean your window screens?

  Assume you mean the kind over the windows on our homes, not the one
  on the computer?   With a hose.

dan

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On Friday, July 25, 2003, Dan Lester wrote:
> 7/25/2003, 11:33 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK>> On Friday, July 25, 2003, Dan Lester wrote:
>>> 7/25/2003, 11:17 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK>>>>>> If it were true, though, no one would have beat up on Natalie,
KK>>>>>> prompting her to leave.

>>>>> Bullshit alert.  This is words-fucking-l, where only the strong
>>>>> survive.

KK>>>> Bullshit alert. Only the obnoxious survive.

>>>    And that's why you're still here.

KK>> Takes one to know one.

> Yo mama wears combat boots.

My mother's dead, Dan.

Karen

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Clyde:
>At 08:41 AM 7/25/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
> >I am developing  theory that, when things begin to
> >stale on this list, some of you back-channel each
> >other to decide what the next combustible subject
> >might be.  It's just a theory.  Or am I another victim
>>of a vast right-wing conspiracy.

>I cannot claim that it doesn't happen, or never has happened, but I don't
>believe it to be common.  More likely, some wordslers like to stir things
>up when the list seems to be lethargic.

Guilty as charged.

Backchannel is for wusses.

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On Friday, July 25, 2003, Dan Lester wrote:
> 7/25/2003, 11:17 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK>>>> If it were true, though, no one would have beat up on Natalie,
KK>>>> prompting her to leave.

>>> Bullshit alert.  This is words-fucking-l, where only the strong
>>> survive.

KK>> Bullshit alert. Only the obnoxious survive.

>    And that's why you're still here.

Takes one to know one.

Karen

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7/25/2003, 11:33 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> On Friday, July 25, 2003, Dan Lester wrote:
>> 7/25/2003, 11:17 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK>>>>> If it were true, though, no one would have beat up on Natalie,
KK>>>>> prompting her to leave.

>>>> Bullshit alert.  This is words-fucking-l, where only the strong
>>>> survive.

KK>>> Bullshit alert. Only the obnoxious survive.

>>    And that's why you're still here.

KK> Takes one to know one.

Yo mama wears combat boots.


dan

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So everyone knows that the Texas Democrats ran away to Oklahoma
because they wanted to prevent a redistricting vote.

The governor, bless his heart, retaliated by calling a special
session, at the cost of $1.7 million. They haven't been able to come
to enough of an agreement on the redistricting map to even make a
proposal come up for a vote. And, one Republican has joined the
Democrats in opposing redistricting at this time, so it makes it less
likely to pass.

So the governor is talking about calling a SECOND special session, at
the cost of another couple million. In a state that is bemoaning how
little money it has and that there will be layoffs of state workers.
Faugh.

Karen

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Karen, you're completely humorless these days.  It's awfully
dull.



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Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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> How do you all clean your window screens?


Mine are removable.  I then take them outside
and hose them thoroughly with the garden hose
and let them dry in the sun.

                                - D. M.

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On Friday, July 25, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> Mine are removable.  I then take them outside
> and hose them thoroughly with the garden hose
> and let them dry in the sun.

How often do you do this?

Karen

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> On Friday, July 25, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> > Mine are removable.  I then take them outside
> > and hose them thoroughly with the garden hose
> > and let them dry in the sun.
>
> How often do you do this?
>
> Karen

Probably only once a year.  Other times when I'm
washing windows I may just vacuum them for dust.


                          - D. M.

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Perhaps this has been talked about in the last few days (I have been reading almost no email) but I do wonder about how California is affording the expense of the recall election.
 
BrP
 
 


>>> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM 07/25/03 01:52PM >>>
So everyone knows that the Texas Democrats ran away to Oklahoma
because they wanted to prevent a redistricting vote.

The governor, bless his heart, retaliated by calling a special
session, at the cost of $1.7 million. They haven't been able to come
to enough of an agreement on the redistricting map to even make a
proposal come up for a vote. And, one Republican has joined the
Democrats in opposing redistricting at this time, so it makes it less
likely to pass.

So the governor is talking about calling a SECOND special session, at
the cost of another couple million. In a state that is bemoaning how
little money it has and that there will be layoffs of state workers.
Faugh.

Karen

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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

>extent.  Before 7 we're as real as we'll ever be.

Oh my gosh!

Bethany

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> > (are you listening, Natalie M?  Do you know who Ann Coulter is?  I bet
> > not!)
>
> Why do you bet not?  How would somebody not know who she was?  She's
> mentioned in magazine articles frequently.  She's a Neo-Nazi who thinks
> McCarthy was great.
>
> Bye for now.  Maybe forever.  Rashmi's posting that I just read made me
> realize that it was <ridicule-invoking> to hop off and on the list.

Now, Natalie! Do as Ann said: hop on, hop off, as you like it. No
"forevers", please, in such a context. It's on the tip of my tongue to say,
don't be ridiculous! which would not mean that you are, or that I thought
for a moment you were, but that you shouldn't take Rashmi's posting as if
you were to be considered like that! (But as you see, I even didn't say it.
It was only on the tip of my tongue.)

Kristin

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>On Friday, July 25, 2003, lisping cockatiel wrote:
> > lisa:
> >> And how much do you think this large body of volunteer representatives
> >> would accomplish?
>
> > Fruitcake!
>
> > More fruitcake!
>
>My question to Lisa is, "How much do you think the current bunch of
>representatives accomplishes?"

I remain a fan of gridlock. The two parties are too busy fighting to
do much damage. I hate the current situation where one party has
all the power. I like it when the executive and legislative branches
are forced to meet halfway to get anything done. pox on both their
houses etc.

Tom DeLay in charge is one scary guy.

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7/25/2003, 11:45 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> On Friday, July 25, 2003, Dan Lester wrote:
>> 7/25/2003, 11:33 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK>>> On Friday, July 25, 2003, Dan Lester wrote:
>>>> 7/25/2003, 11:17 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK>>>>>>> If it were true, though, no one would have beat up on Natalie,
KK>>>>>>> prompting her to leave.

>>>>>> Bullshit alert.  This is words-fucking-l, where only the strong
>>>>>> survive.

KK>>>>> Bullshit alert. Only the obnoxious survive.

>>>>    And that's why you're still here.

KK>>> Takes one to know one.

>> Yo mama wears combat boots.

KK> My mother's dead, Dan.

Sorry about that.  But of course you chose to miss the point.  But
what's new?

dan

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7/25/2003, 12:03 PM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> On Friday, July 25, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>> Mine are removable.  I then take them outside
>> and hose them thoroughly with the garden hose
>> and let them dry in the sun.

KK> How often do you do this?

Maybe when they're dirty?  When do you wash your clothes?  Or your
car?

dan

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Espen Ore wrote:

> >What are the Estonian laws regarding
> >drunk driving?  This (questionable)
> >list doesn't mention Estonia.
> >
> >http://webpages.charter.net/ricknet/duilaws.htm
> >
> >Laws here vary from state to state, and in
> >some are almost comically lenient.
>
> Questionable is the right term here.

A list was in the daily newspaper I read -- some days after the accident
with Lauri Aus. About several countries, the minimum and maximum terms
for both taking away drivers' licences and those for jail. It was not a
thorough description, but more clear than the here mentioned one.

And, Richard,

>> Those drunken drivers...!

>Don't get me started.  The sober ones
are dangerous enough.

I do not want  "get you started", but having been thinking about this
remark of yours, I guess at least here the drunk drivers are usually the
most dangerous. Many accidents are caused by drivers with little
experience -- but the very same drivers are drunk when driving, and
exceed speed. I cannot remember a *serious* accident among news which
would have been caused by a sober driver with little experience.

Kristin

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lisping cockatiel wrote:

> >I have no good dictionaries in the form of a book here
>
> Do you mean an English-Estonian dictionary,
> or just an English dictionary?

Well, sometimes I need Estonian-English.

> You might
> find this handy (I have it bookmarked):
>
> http://www.m-w.com

I have it bookmarked, too. Recently it started to work fluently again.
Didn't you have, or notice some obstacles at the site a couple of months
ago? The page loaded, but I could read hardly one explanation of a word
from it, then it just stuck. That lasted for several weeks.

> >actually I doubt some words I wrote down
>
> Oh, "body" would have been a better choice
> than "organism" ("bloodstream" would also
> work well), but I understood your message
> completely.

Thanks -- and good. I would've used "blood" at first, and, strange
enough, "body" simply didn't occur to me. -- Good to remember. Why I
added the remark of not being sure of all words was, I guess, because of
"superficial" --  I thought of several other words beginning with
"super-" and quickly decided to choose that one. Having no time to look
it up in the dictionary I hoped that was the right one.

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02003-07-25 | Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> writes:
> 7/25/2003, 12:03 PM, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> KK> On Friday, July 25, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> >> Mine are removable.  I then take them outside
> >> and hose them thoroughly with the garden hose
> >> and let them dry in the sun.
>
> KK> How often do you do this?
>
> Maybe when they're dirty?  When do you wash your clothes?  Or your
> car?

You excel at missing the point of posts, Dan.

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     I'm probably not
> describing this well but, alas, I see the same thing
> happening to all children, actors or not, to some
> extent.  Before 7 we're as real as we'll ever be.
>
>                          - D. M.

Truer words were never spoken.


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02003-07-25 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> Now, Natalie! Do as Ann said: hop on, hop off, as you like it. No
> "forevers", please, in such a context. It's on the tip of my tongue to say,
> don't be ridiculous! which would not mean that you are, or that I thought
> for a moment you were, but that you shouldn't take Rashmi's posting as if
> you were to be considered like that! (But as you see, I even didn't say it.
> It was only on the tip of my tongue.)

I think that Ms Sarv is deep down a kind of Natalie ... discuss

Stupid Boy

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Well, there are many msgs unread again, and several I've read during the
week and have had no time to answer, although I wanted to. So, as I am
about leaving the computer desk again in a few time I'd rather send you
a site -- needs loudspeakers:

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html

Enjoy. Warning: if you have low self-esteem, postpone opening it.

Kristin

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02003-07-25 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@COMCAST.NET> writes:
> At 04:09 PM 7/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >02003-07-24 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@COMCAST.NET> writes:
> >> At 10:29 AM 7/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >02003-07-24 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@COMCAST.NET> writes:
> >>
> >> >> >I must say I am gratified by all the flaming this nasty boring
> >> >> >man has gotten on this service. I am almost about to resubscribe.
> >> >>
> >> >> I saw Charlie Rose on 60 II last night and I liked him.
> >> >
> >> >That's because you were wearing those "comfortable pants".
> >>
> >> I should have known you would see right through my thinly veiled
> >> attempt to get you to discontinue this <service>.
> >
> >You remember an absolutely hilarious URI freshman who sent out
> >hundreds of clueless emails and wouldn't discontinue even the
> ><weather service>? I am worse than her.
>
> I do not remember a URI freshman.
> I do remember the weather list and it was short lived.
> You are worse than her.
> I also remember a startled, speechless, Indian on a T Platform in
> Cambridge. I liked him then.

That wasn't startled, that was cool.

> lisa
> who started URI as a sophomore and didn't start this list until she was a
> junior so THERE mutha fuckah!

Nice technicality, b*tch

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02003-07-24 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@FLEX.COM> writes:
> On 24 Jul 2003 at 19:44, Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> > Adam, Pete, and ?  Espen or Paul, I bet.
>
> How could you be so far off the mark?
> Tushar, Alec, and Dan.

Thank you, MEM. Dr Borkin's such a bitch

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02003-07-25 | Espen Ore <Espen.Ore@NB.NO> writes:
> 19:44 24.07.2003 -0700 skrev Ann Borkin:
> >On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, sandra wrote:
> >>
> >> Hasn't anyone else noticed that the three nicest wordslers are men.
> >
> >Adam, Pete, and ?  Espen or Paul, I bet.
> >
> >God, this just makes me want to provoke them into public nastiness.
> >Except, I am so nice, and I know them so little, that I don't know how.
>
> I am publicly nasty at times.

"At times"? Espen's consistent unrelieved public nastiness is
the main reason I will not resubscribe to this sorry service.

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02003-07-25 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> I prefer to remain in denial about the dimensions of my ass
> these days, thankyouverymuch.

OMG that's really SO endearing ... All right--

Rita, your ass has three dimensions.

Suck it up

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-07-25 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> > Now, Natalie! Do as Ann said: hop on, hop off, as you like it. No
> > "forevers", please, in such a context. It's on the tip of my tongue to say,
> > don't be ridiculous! which would not mean that you are, or that I thought
> > for a moment you were, but that you shouldn't take Rashmi's posting as if
> > you were to be considered like that! (But as you see, I even didn't say it.
> > It was only on the tip of my tongue.)
>
> I think that Ms Sarv is deep down a kind of Natalie ... discuss
>
> Stupid Boy

Hmm... I'll come the other day and read what you've said in your discussion. It
may be interesting, or amusing, or both.

Kristin

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02003-07-25 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Bonniemaev wrote:
>
> > It was not a matter of being demanding.  I simply don't see it as proper
> > restaurant behavior to pass cell phones around between two tables and shout
> > "can you hear me now" repeatedly into them.
>
> I don't see Bonniemaev making this up.  That's pretty bad.  Case closed,
> ruffians and yokels!

I apologize for Ann to this service.

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Just heard on the radio that the 1949 film "The Story of Seabiscuit"
will be shown tonight on TCM, in case anybody cares.  The time was not
specified.

Rita L.

--

Rita Leonard
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At 04:25 PM 7/25/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:
>--On Friday, July 25, 2003 1:03 PM -0500 Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>wrote:
>
>>On Friday, July 25, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>>>Mine are removable.  I then take them outside
>>>and hose them thoroughly with the garden hose
>>>and let them dry in the sun.
>
>Since we get a lot of oak pollen, I usually hose them down then brush them
>with a plastic bristle brush than hose again, both sides.

Thanks everyone. Ours are overdue. Vacuuming with my hand held cleaner
isn't doing a thing. I thought maybe there was a new improved way of doing
this chore.

B

>>How often do you do this?
>>
>>Karen
>
>Every year or two.
>
>Terry

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At 03:04 PM 7/25/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-07-25 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Bonniemaev wrote:
> >
> > > It was not a matter of being demanding.  I simply don't see it as proper
> > > restaurant behavior to pass cell phones around between two tables and
> shout
> > > "can you hear me now" repeatedly into them.
> >
> > I don't see Bonniemaev making this up.  That's pretty bad.  Case closed,
> > ruffians and yokels!
>
>I apologize for Ann to this service.

LOL.  You should have been there when Bonnie announced our presence  loudly
to the entire room when we arrived  for dinner. The tone was set.  I don't
think the other innkeepers were present yet though to observe her behavior.

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> I was going to take bets on when she'd return with a cell
> phone question ... too late now.

Didn't she send a report on solving a movie problem soon after she had
unsubbed, did she?

Kristin

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7/25/2003, 1:59 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

TS> "At times"? Espen's consistent unrelieved public nastiness is
TS> the main reason I will not resubscribe to this sorry service.

Put up or shut up, Tushie Baby.

dan

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02003-07-25 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> For instance, who would have guessed one could get
> such a lot of mileage out of "mushed flowers"?
>
> Of course, as this sort of things seem to amuse T.S.,
> perhaps it's an effort to keep him from straying from
> the list.

I am sorry that you excel at participating in a misunderstanding.

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02003-07-25 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> Has it hit your Area?
>
> Didn't we last see this on Bill Clinton's mother?

I apologize for this incoherent post. Could you construe
it in the English language? I might have seen it.

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fyi...

***

Critical flaw affects almost all Windows versions

By Brian Livingston

Every time Microsoft releases "the most secure operating system ever," the
security flaws just keep on coming. Last week, Microsoft notified users that
a hole rated "critical" (the most severe rating) affects not only Windows
XP, 2000, and NT 4.0, but also its new, much-vaunted Windows Server 2003
product. Microsoft says Windows Me is not vulnerable, but it didn't test
Windows 9x, which the company no longer supports.

This problem is especially explosive because an attacker can run a rogue
program by merely sending packets to a remote machine using any one of
various ports. One of these, port 135, is commonly used to send pop-up
messages across a network. This feature has been notably exploited in recent
months by some spammers, who started sending irritating - but otherwise
harmless - ads directly to desktops. Now such payloads threaten to escalate
wildly.

Corporations ordinarily block such port access if it originates from outside
the firewall. But a malicious person inside the firewall could use the flaw
to gain complete control over certain systems. And, of course, not all
vulnerable systems are effectively protected by firewalls.

This situation is so dire that I've included more information in the paid
version of this week's newsletter; but if you don't get that version, you
should just go directly to Microsoft bulletin MS03-026 and download patches
for your affected PCs. (Microsoft revised this bulletin as recently as July
21, so you should re-visit the document if you originally read it before
that date.)

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02003-07-25 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-07-25 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
>
> > > Now, Natalie! Do as Ann said: hop on, hop off, as you like it. No
> > > "forevers", please, in such a context. It's on the tip of my tongue to say,
> > > don't be ridiculous! which would not mean that you are, or that I thought
> > > for a moment you were, but that you shouldn't take Rashmi's posting as if
> > > you were to be considered like that! (But as you see, I even didn't say it.
> > > It was only on the tip of my tongue.)
> >
> > I think that Ms Sarv is deep down a kind of Natalie ... discuss
> >
> > Stupid Boy
>
> Hmm... I'll come the other day and read what you've said in your discussion.
> It may be interesting, or amusing, or both.

Uh huh.

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02003-07-25 | Alan Wild <awild@URI.EDU> writes:
> fyi...
>
> ***
>
> Critical flaw affects almost all Windows versions
>
> By Brian Livingston

LAME ... first we should forge an unbreakable association
between Microsoft and All That We Stand For[tm]. It would
probably need someone no less hot than Ann Coulter, but
it's worth doing. After that, a quotation like this can
be used as an effective kindling point for a huge flamewar.

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02003-07-25 | Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> writes:
> 7/25/2003, 1:59 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> TS> "At times"? Espen's consistent unrelieved public nastiness is
> TS> the main reason I will not resubscribe to this sorry service.
>
> Put up or shut up, Tushie Baby.

Did anybody ask you? Because I didn't see any post saying "I would
like the opinion of 'Danny' the librarian".

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At 03:33 PM 7/25/2003 -0400, Rita Leonard wrote:
>Just heard on the radio that the 1949 film "The Story of Seabiscuit"
>will be shown tonight on TCM, in case anybody cares.  The time was not
>specified.

We're thinking of going to the movie tomorrow.  Maybe today.

Betty

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--On Friday, July 25, 2003 1:03 PM -0500 Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
wrote:

> On Friday, July 25, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>> Mine are removable.  I then take them outside
>> and hose them thoroughly with the garden hose
>> and let them dry in the sun.
>

Since we get a lot of oak pollen, I usually hose them down then brush them
with a plastic bristle brush than hose again, both sides.

> How often do you do this?
>
> Karen

Every year or two.

Terry

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7/25/2003, 2:25 PM, Betty wrote:

B> At 03:33 PM 7/25/2003 -0400, Rita Leonard wrote:
>>Just heard on the radio that the 1949 film "The Story of Seabiscuit"
>>will be shown tonight on TCM, in case anybody cares.  The time was not
>>specified.

I just told TiVo to record it, over the net.  815 tonite, 200 tomorrow
pm.  Both times mountain/central, presumably an hour later eastern and
pacific.


dan

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At 02:47 PM 7/25/2003 -0600, Dan Lester wrote:
>7/25/2003, 2:25 PM, Betty wrote:
>
>B> At 03:33 PM 7/25/2003 -0400, Rita Leonard wrote:
> >>Just heard on the radio that the 1949 film "The Story of Seabiscuit"
> >>will be shown tonight on TCM, in case anybody cares.  The time was not
> >>specified.
>
>I just told TiVo to record it, over the net.  815 tonite, 200 tomorrow
>pm.  Both times mountain/central, presumably an hour later eastern and
>pacific.

Are you happy with TiVo?  Alan, did you end up getting it?  I want to
escape and go out to a movie though.  We go through spurts with our movie
going.

Betty

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At 01:58 PM 7/25/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>Anybody remember Bill Clinton's mother's hair?  I think it was either
>black with some skunk white stripes, or white with some skunk black
>stripes.
>
>Well, the style seems to be coming in, in men's hair, anyway, well in the
>hair of men younger than you, 90's boy.

Can you see images yet on any computer?  Janet has her hair really cute
with silver on top. She doesn't look like a skunk though. She looks great.

Betty

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7/25/2003, 2:52 PM, Betty wrote:

B> Are you happy with TiVo?  Alan, did you end up getting it?  I want to
B> escape and go out to a movie though.  We go through spurts with our movie
B> going.

TiVo is awesome.  No commercials.  Save time.  Records what you want,
not what you don't.  Will record suggestions for you if you wish it
to, and it is trainable in those areas as well.  Updates daily.  etc.


dan

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--- Rita Leonard <leonard@BC.EDU> wrote:
> Just heard on the radio that the 1949 film "The
> Story of Seabiscuit"
> will be shown tonight on TCM, in case anybody cares.
>  The time was not
> specified.
>
> Rita L.
>
> --
>
> Rita Leonard
> Information Technology Systems Services
> O'Neill Library 544
> Phone:  617-552-3403
> Email: rita.leonard@bc.edu
>
> "Whether you believe you can do a thing
>  or not, you are right."  Henry Ford

Thank you, ma'am.


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On Friday, July 25, 2003, Dan Lester wrote:
> 7/25/2003, 11:45 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK>> On Friday, July 25, 2003, Dan Lester wrote:
>>> 7/25/2003, 11:33 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK>>>> On Friday, July 25, 2003, Dan Lester wrote:
>>>>> 7/25/2003, 11:17 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK>>>>>>>> If it were true, though, no one would have beat up on Natalie,
KK>>>>>>>> prompting her to leave.

>>>>>>> Bullshit alert.  This is words-fucking-l, where only the strong
>>>>>>> survive.

KK>>>>>> Bullshit alert. Only the obnoxious survive.

>>>>>    And that's why you're still here.

KK>>>> Takes one to know one.

>>> Yo mama wears combat boots.

KK>> My mother's dead, Dan.

> Sorry about that.  But of course you chose to miss the point.  But
> what's new?

LOL. You are so silly sometimes!

Karen

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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Has it hit your Area?
> > Didn't we last see this on Bill Clinton's mother?
>
> I apologize for this incoherent post. Could you construe
> it in the English language? I might have seen it.

Anybody remember Bill Clinton's mother's hair?  I think it was either
black with some skunk white stripes, or white with some skunk black
stripes.

Well, the style seems to be coming in, in men's hair, anyway, well in the
hair of men younger than you, 90's boy.

Ann

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Betty writes,

>Are you happy with TiVo?

We have DishPVR, and love it.

Pete

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Rashmi writes,

>I remain a fan of gridlock.

Yes -- I've come to really appreciate your wisdom here.

Pete

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tushar Samant" <scribble@POBOX.COM>
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> 02003-07-25 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > Has it hit your Area?
> >
> > Didn't we last see this on Bill Clinton's mother?

Liz Taylor a few years ago too?

            - D. M.

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Well, twenty minutes later, TiVo has connected to my TiVo over the
internet, scheduled the recording, and advised me of same.

dan


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===8<==============Original message text===============
Your online request for "The Story of Seabiscuit" has been received.
This program is now scheduled to record and appears in the To Do List.

Best regards,

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> I am sorry that you excel at participating in a
misunderstanding.

You're still heeeeere.!


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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-07-25 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>I prefer to remain in denial about the dimensions of my ass
>>these days, thankyouverymuch.
>>
>
> OMG that's really SO endearing ... All right--
>
> Rita, your ass has three dimensions.
>
> Suck it up


        That's whack, man.


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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

>> >I am. My mother has a few of those Shirley Temple mugs. How can you not like
>> >Shirley Temple?
>> I did not dislike her - I just did not identify with her - no turnon at
>> all. How much of a tomboy was she?
>
>Shirley Temple:  sickly sweet as a NECCO candy.

Sounds right to me.

Bethany

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From: "Tushar Samant" <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> 02003-07-25 | Alan Wild <awild@URI.EDU> writes:
> > fyi...
> >
> > ***
> >
> > Critical flaw affects almost all Windows versions
> >
> > By Brian Livingston
>
> LAME ... first we should forge an unbreakable association
> between Microsoft and All That We Stand For[tm]. It would
> probably need someone no less hot than Ann Coulter, but
> it's worth doing. After that, a quotation like this can
> be used as an effective kindling point for a huge flamewar.

The flame war erupted shortly after, when on FNC, ACoulter espoused...
ahem... her agenda while wearing a tank-top and a mini-skirt amidst
interviewers dressed in 3 piece-suits.  What *was* the temperature in that
studio? ... and could they actually have concluded that interview in
Braille?

ahem...

That's all from here... 'Tom Arnold at the Pentatetrahedron... Back to you,
Tom.

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> Anybody remember Bill Clinton's mother's hair?  I
> think it was either
> black with some skunk white stripes, or white with
> some skunk black
> stripes.
>
> Well, the style seems to be coming in, in men's
> hair, anyway, well in the
> hair of men younger than you, 90's boy.
>
> Ann

I was beginning to fear skunk hair was something like
Mormon crickets.


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In a message dated 7/25/2003 4:31:50 PM Central Daylight Time, awild@URI.EDU 
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<<
The flame war erupted shortly after, when on FNC, ACoulter espoused...
ahem... her agenda while wearing a tank-top and a mini-skirt amidst
interviewers dressed in 3 piece-suits. 
>>

Which show?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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'Fox News Channel... I believe it was on Hannity &Combes...

>>

I love Sean Hannity.

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life:  music and cats."
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At 04:25 PM 7/25/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:
 >Since we get a lot of oak pollen, I usually hose them down then brush them
>with a plastic bristle brush than hose again, both sides.

Forget the screens.  How are you doing?

A wlm moment---when we gave blood this week, one of the questions was about
babesiosis, i.e., have you within (some duration) had it.

cwv

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'Fox News Channel... I believe it was on Hannity & Combes...




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In a message dated 7/25/2003 4:31:50 PM Central Daylight Time, awild@URI.EDU
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The flame war erupted shortly after, when on FNC, ACoulter espoused...
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>>

Which show?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life: music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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>
>I was beginning to fear skunk hair was something like
>Mormon crickets.

It is.

cwv

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Karen:
> A book review.

Thanks.  I've now read more of her
articles and excerpts from her books;
this, evidently, was (and will remain)
a guys-are-so-visual thing.

What prompted my, er, voyage of
discovery was something I read,
making a crack about the extremist
posterpeople on either edge of the
political Roy G. Biv.

It remarked about Michael Moore being
fat, studiously disheveled, and ugly
(MY EYES! MY EYES!) and Ann Coulter
being, well...

So, I had to check it out.

As I said last night, having thought
she was just another one of those
shrill TV talking heads that look
more or less like a Peruvian Sky
Mummy, you can imagine my reaction
on reaching her website's Images
page.

fap fap fap   <click>
fap fap fa--

WHA?

Joseph McCarthy's grave?

Oh, Jesus God, Jesus Go-AAAAAAAAAH!



(Note to Ann B: Add this to your data.)

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Dan:
>When do you wash your clothes?

After my co-workers start complaining,
and not a moment before.

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yep...  I think FNC has it in check... aside from Ann Coulter... although
her book was an interesting aside in political whining.  It kinda reminded
me of when I thought Nixon was a *unique* politician.

'Alano los jóvenes


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In a message dated 7/25/2003 4:48:47 PM Central Daylight Time, awild@URI.EDU
writes:
<<
'Fox News Channel... I believe it was on Hannity &Combes...

>>

I love Sean Hannity.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life: music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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I'm going nomail again, because it wasn't long enough the first time,
and because I truly admire Natalie and wish to be like her.

A couple of quick comments on other threads (to completely thumb my
nose at netiquette in a way that would annoy my children and thereby
make me even more admirable):

Lisa, I agree with you about the importance of true bipartisanship
(no single party in power in all three - or preferable even in two
- branches simultaneously). But I am strongly reminded of one of the
first sentences STBEX spoke to me after our marriage. As I made a
clever retort during a newscast, he turned to me and stated clearly,
"No one cares what you think". If there's a flaw in our current
leadership, that would be it.

Kristen, I have been thinking that there seems to be a little secret
about you I wasn't told onlist, if the three nicest wordslers are
male.

I am going to Alyce's memorial service, and Br Paul is riding with me.

Then my nose is back to the grindstone for another week, which I hope
to god results in my web issues being resolved, because by then Mercy
will be back from England and I really really want to be able to spend
some fun time with her.

Have some fun this weekend, y'all!
clo

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PS -

If anybody wants me to read anything, they will just have to alert
me backchannel!

clo

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Lynne, to D.M.:
>>Before 7 we're as real as we'll ever be.
> Truer words were never spoken.

Some folks get herded to Confession
starting in 1st grade.  You get that
actions-have-consequences thing from
an early age, it sticks with you, yeah.

--
boy, S.J.

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Kristin, on www.m-w.com:
> Didn't you have, or notice some obstacles at the site a couple of months
> ago? The page loaded, but I could read hardly one explanation of a word
> from it, then it just stuck. That lasted for several weeks.

Yes, I remember that.  But we shouldn't
complain too loudly about something that's
free, should we?

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clo:
>As I made a clever retort during a newscast,
>he turned to me and stated clearly, "No one
>cares what you think".

That's because you prefaced it with the
moronic "Well, I think..."

DUH.

jeezus beezus, did you SLEEP through
high school speech/forensics/debate
(slash whatever they called it) class?

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In my price range, I am probably limited to condos in Sequoyah HIlls,
though an occasional small house is listed in the $120k-$140k range. I
have agreed to look at houses a bit further west. I will probably see at
least one tomorrow afternoon - it's no. 4 on this page:

http://www.knoxhouses.com/index.php?op=click&type=s3

There is a question about ground stability, so engineers will do some
exploration next week.

Bethany

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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:48:47 -0500
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On Friday, July 25, 2003, lisping cockatiel wrote:
> jeezus beezus, did you SLEEP through
> high school speech/forensics/debate
> (slash whatever they called it) class?

My high school never offered speech/forensics/debate class. Never took
it in collidge neither.

Karen

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02003-07-25 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?

GOOD!

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On Friday, July 25, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> I will probably see at
> least one tomorrow afternoon - it's no. 4 on this page:

> http://www.knoxhouses.com/index.php?op=click&type=s3

This just takes me to the main page.

Karen

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02003-07-25 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > I am sorry that you excel at participating in a misunderstanding.
>
> You're still heeeeere.!

I worry about your imagination.

I am not sure it is up to you to determine where I should be.

I have apologized for your atrocious post.

I forgive you.

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On Friday, July 25, 2003, Dan Lester wrote:
> 7/25/2003, 12:03 PM, Karen Kay wrote:
KK>> On Friday, July 25, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>>> Mine are removable.  I then take them outside
>>> and hose them thoroughly with the garden hose
>>> and let them dry in the sun.

KK>> How often do you do this?

> Maybe when they're dirty?  When do you wash your clothes?  Or your
> car?

I wash my clothes when they are dirty. I have never washed my car or
my house windows.

Karen

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On Friday, July 25, 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> Tom DeLay in charge is one scary guy.

Yep.

Karen

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02003-07-25 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-07-25 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >
> >>I prefer to remain in denial about the dimensions of my ass
> >>these days, thankyouverymuch.
> >>
> >
> >OMG that's really SO endearing ... All right--
> >
> >Rita, your ass has three dimensions.
> >
> >Suck it up
>
>
>        That's whack, man.

I knew this shit would happen ... that's why I watered down the truth--
which is that it has FOUR dimensions.

Oh lord--only you know if I will ever meet non-chimps to converse with.

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7/25/2003, 4:52 PM, Karen Kay wrote:

>> Maybe when they're dirty?  When do you wash your clothes?  Or your
>> car?

KK> I wash my clothes when they are dirty. I have never washed my car or
KK> my house windows.

Pigs is as pigs does.

dan

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02003-07-25 | Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> writes:
> 7/25/2003, 2:52 PM, Betty wrote:
>
> B> Are you happy with TiVo?  Alan, did you end up getting it?  I want to
> B> escape and go out to a movie though.  We go through spurts with our movie
> B> going.
>
> TiVo is awesome.  No commercials.  Save time.  Records what you want,
> not what you don't.  Will record suggestions for you if you wish it
> to, and it is trainable in those areas as well.  Updates daily.  etc.

It rests on a big assumption, though--that what's being shown is
not complete crap 24/7 ...

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On Friday, July 25, 2003, Dan Lester wrote:
> 7/25/2003, 4:52 PM, Karen Kay wrote:

>>> Maybe when they're dirty?  When do you wash your clothes?  Or your
>>> car?

KK>> I wash my clothes when they are dirty. I have never washed my car or
KK>> my house windows.

> Pigs is as pigs does.

You would know.

Karen

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The original Seabiscuit is being shown at 10 p.m. here - 105 Minutes -
I'll watch at least part of it.

Bethany

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7/25/2003, 4:55 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

>> TiVo is awesome.  No commercials.  Save time.  Records what you want,
>> not what you don't.  Will record suggestions for you if you wish it
>> to, and it is trainable in those areas as well.  Updates daily.  etc.

TS> It rests on a big assumption, though--that what's being shown is
TS> not complete crap 24/7 ...

I don't know of ANYTHING that is complete crap 24/7....

However, a couple of members of this list come close....

dan

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02003-07-25 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > Has it hit your Area?
> > > Didn't we last see this on Bill Clinton's mother?
> >
> > I apologize for this incoherent post. Could you construe
> > it in the English language? I might have seen it.
>
> Anybody remember Bill Clinton's mother's hair?  I think it was either
> black with some skunk white stripes, or white with some skunk black
> stripes.
>
> Well, the style seems to be coming in, in men's hair, anyway, well in the
> hair of men younger than you, 90's boy.

Ah, stripes ... OK.

Let me assert here BTW that dark hair with a single "face framing" light
stripe ... that's TRASH. I am sorry but it is so. I believe that pomGarnet-
loving URI grad Lucretia (aka "Lisa") is contemplating it .., it is still
trash, and I stand by it.

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Karen:
>My high school never offered speech/forensics/debate
>class. Never took it in collidge neither.

O.K., but not even an English teacher,
who surely at some point made you and
your classmates stand up in front of
the room and make a speech, did not
mention the "I think" tarpit?

I suppose this explains why, to this
day, I hear people say, "Well, I think..."

You oughta ask for your money back.

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02003-07-25 | Dan Lester <dan@RIVEROFDATA.COM> writes:
> Well, twenty minutes later, TiVo has connected to my TiVo over the
> internet, scheduled the recording, and advised me of same.

The MAN is controlling your mind.

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02003-07-25 | Alan Wild <awild@URI.EDU> writes:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tushar Samant" <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> > 02003-07-25 | Alan Wild <awild@URI.EDU> writes:
> > > fyi...
> > >
> > > ***
> > >
> > > Critical flaw affects almost all Windows versions
> > >
> > > By Brian Livingston
> >
> > LAME ... first we should forge an unbreakable association
> > between Microsoft and All That We Stand For[tm]. It would
> > probably need someone no less hot than Ann Coulter, but
> > it's worth doing. After that, a quotation like this can
> > be used as an effective kindling point for a huge flamewar.
>
> The flame war erupted shortly after, when on FNC, ACoulter espoused...
> ahem... her agenda while wearing a tank-top and a mini-skirt amidst
> interviewers dressed in 3 piece-suits.  What *was* the temperature in that
> studio? ... and could they actually have concluded that interview in
> Braille?
>
> ahem...
>
> That's all from here... 'Tom Arnold at the Pentatetrahedron... Back to you,
> Tom.

You are 100% correct on all counts ... I want to be "espoused" by
Ann Coulter ... heh, heh, *nudge nudge*, get it ... there's no
hotter mamma in all trixiedom. Man, Coulter is HOT!@

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02003-07-25 | Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> writes:
> 7/25/2003, 4:55 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >> TiVo is awesome.  No commercials.  Save time.  Records what you want,
> >> not what you don't.  Will record suggestions for you if you wish it
> >> to, and it is trainable in those areas as well.  Updates daily.  etc.
>
> TS> It rests on a big assumption, though--that what's being shown is
> TS> not complete crap 24/7 ...
>
> I don't know of ANYTHING that is complete crap 24/7....

Dang! YOU should have teamed up with Ebert ... the world
lost a reasonable reviewer there ...

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Posted at <http://www.istori.com/log/archives/00000280.html>.

In case you've not heard, the Democratic Governor in California sucks.
Well, that's what a rich Republican spoiler and a million Californians
think. Personally, I'm not sure he sucks more than a lot of other
politicians in the country, but that's another story.

Anyway, the petition to have a recall vote for Governor has succeeded, and
we're to have a recall election October 7th. The first question will be
whether or not to fire the current Governor, and then there will be list of
candidates to replace him if is fired.

The interesting thing is that it's pretty easy to qualify to be a
candidate. You need to be a US citizen and have 100 voters from your party
sign a nomination form. There's a $3,500.00 filing fee, but you can submit
10,000 signatures from voters in lieu of the filing fee. Those are the high
points; for details, see the recall docs at the California Secretary of
State site: <http://www.ss.ca.gov/elections/recall.htm>.

Should blogspace field a candidate or two?

Should blogspace field a thousand candidates, in a civil protest about the
process?

There is only a vanishingly small chance such a blogspace candidate would
be elected, but just fielding a candidate and getting a couple hundred
thousand votes would say, "We are here." It's an interesting opportunity.
Paperwork is due August 9th.

Pete

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@pobox.com>
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I am immensely relieved they scrapped the plans to build an
incredibly stupid record-breaking skyscraper on Dearborn.
Even better, the old building was already demolished, and
now they are making a mini-park or whatever there. Well,
I HOPE. You stand at the corner of this open space and
suddenly even the most mundane commercial high-rises look
beautiful, and the loop looks three-dimensional. That building
was going to look STUPID--like the one they have built next
to the Water Tower. It's a taint on the skyline. Dumb asses.
Or like these "record-setting" Asian buildings. What's with
them? I'd say Petronas Towers are impressive, despite that
"ankh" thing between them, and Jin Mao is also quite beautiful.
But the others--dumb! Burj al Arab looks stunning at first,
like a stupendously huge yacht coming into the harbor ...
but, it's really just tacky, like its unimaginative name.

The best-looking "skyscrapers" still are Sears and Amoco
and the John Hancock. And of course the Empire State--which
is probably the greatest. The WTC towers were dumb ... but
let that go ...

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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> http://www.knoxhouses.com/index.php?op=click&type=s3
>
>This just takes me to the main page.

That's weird - me too. And I copied and pasted. Now when I search for the
house, I get another URL - but when I try to go to the same house using
that URL, I get taken to a different list of houses. There is no
stability, for some reason.

This might work. Go to
http://www.knoxhouses.com/index.php?op=click&type=s3
and click on Westmoreland, Riverbend, Seq Hills etc, then on the next page
choose a price between $70,000 and $150,000
then look for a house with this address:

6609 Crystal Lake Dr

But that's lot of trouble  - I don't expect anyone to do that!

Bethany

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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:

>Should blogspace field a candidate or two?

Natalie is retired - let's field her. Or Karen. Karen?

Bethany

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At 07:21 PM 7/25/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

>This might work. Go to
>http://www.knoxhouses.com/index.php?op=click&type=s3
>and click on Westmoreland, Riverbend, Seq Hills etc, then on the next page
>choose a price between $70,000 and $150,000
>then look for a house with this address:
>
>6609 Crystal Lake Dr
>
>But that's lot of trouble  - I don't expect anyone to do that!

Found it!  58 years old scares me but it sounds nice.  No garage?

Betty

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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> I am immensely relieved they scrapped the plans to build an
> incredibly stupid record-breaking skyscraper on Dearborn.

This noon I was standing at a corner watching the clouds float by in the
many mirrored windows of a tall building.  I think all the tall buildings
should have many mirrored windows so they reflect each other reflecting
the sky.  Is what I think.

Ann

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02003-07-25 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > I am immensely relieved they scrapped the plans to build an
> > incredibly stupid record-breaking skyscraper on Dearborn.
>
> This noon I was standing at a corner watching the clouds float by in the
> many mirrored windows of a tall building.  I think all the tall buildings
> should have many mirrored windows so they reflect each other reflecting
> the sky.  Is what I think.

List,

I apologize for this clueless post.

BORKIN,

It's happening here and it's not as great as you think! EVERY new
building here is reflective, with various degrees of curvature,
and the effect is overwhelmingly cheap!

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In a message dated 7/25/2003 5:49:58 PM Central Daylight Time, 
scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
<<
02003-07-25 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
>CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?

GOOD!

>>

Oh, I can see this as an ad:

Bell is in his laboratory working on the telephone.
He speaks into it:  Mr. Watson, come here. I want you.
In pops the Verizon guy:  Can you hear me now?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
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At 04:55 PM 7/25/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>This noon I was standing at a corner watching the clouds float by in the
>many mirrored windows of a tall building.  I think all the tall buildings
>should have many mirrored windows so they reflect each other reflecting
>the sky.  Is what I think.

You need a gazing ball.

Betty

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At 07:01 PM 7/25/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>I apologize for this clueless post.
>
>BORKIN,
>
>It's happening here and it's not as great as you think! EVERY new
>building here is reflective, with various degrees of curvature,
>and the effect is overwhelmingly cheap!

You need to get a life.

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02003-07-25 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 7/25/2003 5:49:58 PM Central Daylight Time,
> scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
> <<
> 02003-07-25 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
>
> GOOD!
>
> >>
>
> Oh, I can see this as an ad:
>
> Bell is in his laboratory working on the telephone.
> He speaks into it:  Mr. Watson, come here. I want you.
> In pops the Verizon guy:  Can you hear me now?

REJECT!

Sorry, you will have to make it suck to get it on TV

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At 08:03 PM 7/25/2003 -0400, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>Oh, I can see this as an ad:
>
>Bell is in his laboratory working on the telephone.
>He speaks into it:  Mr. Watson, come here. I want you.
>In pops the Verizon guy:  Can you hear me now?

I'm glad you maintain your sense of humor, Evelyn.  It helps get through
the difficult times.  Your mom doing okay?

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02003-07-25 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 07:01 PM 7/25/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >I apologize for this clueless post.
> >
> >BORKIN,
> >
> >It's happening here and it's not as great as you think! EVERY new
> >building here is reflective, with various degrees of curvature,
> >and the effect is overwhelmingly cheap!
>
> You need to get a life.

Shouldn't this be followed by a solicitous enquiry about some
completely mundane thing? Here:

"You need to get a life. How's your niece?"

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02003-07-25 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 04:55 PM 7/25/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
> >This noon I was standing at a corner watching the clouds float by in the
> >many mirrored windows of a tall building.  I think all the tall buildings
> >should have many mirrored windows so they reflect each other reflecting
> >the sky.  Is what I think.
>
> You need a gazing ball.

I agree! How was your vacation?

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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Betty wrote:

>Found it!  58 years old scares me but it sounds nice.  No garage?

Interior:       Breakfast Room, Dishwasher, Master Bdrm Main Level,
Office/BR Main Level, Range/Oven, Split Bedrooms, WalkinClosets,
Washer/Dryer Connections
Exterior:       Cable TV, Wood Windows

Not yet, apparently. I like the trees and if I can't live in Seq Hills,
it's a good location - not far from Seq Hills. It needs TLC, I am told,
but it can be done gradually, I am also told. I am trying to protect a few
thousand dollars for remedying small problems, since I am trying to buy
poor.

Bethany

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I need suggestions for an air conditioner, a TV, a microwave oven,
a bed or sleeping surface of any kind, the best piece of furniture
to bog down a big empty room with, and a maid service. Please
attach your responses below:

1.

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> Forget the screens.  How are you doing?
>
> A wlm moment---when we gave blood this week, one of the questions was
> about babesiosis, i.e., have you within (some duration) had it.
>
> cwv


Wonders of creatures unseen....  36 hours after finishing the clindamycin I
developed a delayed allergic reaction.  Another physical affliction I could
have done without, so a 10 day med regime for that.  The blood work on Wed.
showed I have low levels of antibodies for Lyme's and Ehrlichiosis.
Another blood test was drawn, 7-10 day wait, but the Dr. felt I should
start the antibiotic, so I'm now on Doxycycline.

Last Friday, over about 10 minutes, Edward broke out in the bulls-eye rash
all over his arms and legs.  That combined with the fever of the previous
weekend are considered classic Lyme's symptoms, so he is on Amoxycillin for
21 days.  The estimate of infection was about 4 weeks prior.

Alan has been great support while I make my weekend runs to the emergency
room.  I hope to give him a break this weekend and stick around.  His
choice of Tuxedo Tom was perfect, the cat has been successfully mousing all
week.  I need to buy more treats, for both of them!

I spoke with a couple of people this week that found out through giving
blood that they had babesiosis.  They were non symptomatic.

Terry

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At 07:11 PM 7/25/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>"You need to get a life. How's your niece?"

She is getting married in September. Thanks for asking.

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At 07:15 PM 7/25/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>I need suggestions for an air conditioner, a TV, a microwave oven,
>a bed or sleeping surface of any kind, the best piece of furniture
>to bog down a big empty room with, and a maid service. Please
>attach your responses below:
>
>1.

Call the Fab 5

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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>I need suggestions for an air conditioner, a TV, a microwave oven,
>a bed or sleeping surface of any kind, the best piece of furniture
>to bog down a big empty room with, and a maid service. Please
>attach your responses below:
>
1. AC - open a window
2. TV - go to the nearest bar
3. MWO - use take out
4. bed - try the floor
5. furniture - grand piano
6. mail - Natalie is retired. Or Karen.

Bethany

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02003-07-25 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 07:11 PM 7/25/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >"You need to get a life. How's your niece?"
>
> She is getting married in September. Thanks for asking.

Is she cute?

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7/25/2003, 5:01 PM, lisping cockatiel wrote:

lc> O.K., but not even an English teacher,
lc> who surely at some point made you and
lc> your classmates stand up in front of
lc> the room and make a speech, did not
lc> mention the "I think" tarpit?

       Even if the speech teacher didn't, the English teacher surely
       did, other than one was writing a personal opinion essay.

dan

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On Friday, July 25, 2003, lisping cockatiel wrote:
> Karen:
>>My high school never offered speech/forensics/debate
>>class. Never took it in collidge neither.

> O.K., but not even an English teacher,
> who surely at some point made you and
> your classmates stand up in front of
> the room and make a speech, did not
> mention the "I think" tarpit?

I don't ever remember having to give a speech... Oh, wait. Yes I do.
It was in 4th or 5th grade.

> I suppose this explains why, to this
> day, I hear people say, "Well, I think..."

> You oughta ask for your money back.

The school is no longer in business, afaik.

Karen

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In a message dated 7/25/2003 7:11:13 PM Central Daylight Time, 
bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:
<<
I'm glad you maintain your sense of humor, Evelyn.  It helps get through
the difficult times.  Your mom doing okay?

>>
She's doing better than I am; I've had the shakes lately, and I haven't
been able to study my accounting course.  She's been trying to comfort
me.  She's been talking about going to Long John Silver after the first
of the month; I hope to make it true.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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On Friday, July 25, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:

>>Should blogspace field a candidate or two?

> Natalie is retired - let's field her. Or Karen. Karen?

I'm not moving to California. Besides, I'm not a blogger.

Karen

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02003-07-25 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 07:29 PM 7/25/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-07-25 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >> At 07:15 PM 7/25/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> >I need suggestions for an air conditioner, a TV, a microwave oven,
> >> >a bed or sleeping surface of any kind, the best piece of furniture
> >> >to bog down a big empty room with, and a maid service. Please
> >> >attach your responses below:
> >> >
> >> >1.
> >>
> >> Call the Fab 5
> >
> >A REAL maid service, "B CLARK"!
>
> I was thinking about the decorating. You need more than basics if you plan
> to invite chicks.

For what? Watching "Queer Makeovers"?

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7/25/2003, 5:01 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

TS> 02003-07-25 | Dan Lester <dan@RIVEROFDATA.COM> writes:
>> Well, twenty minutes later, TiVo has connected to my TiVo over the
>> internet, scheduled the recording, and advised me of same.

TS> The MAN is controlling your mind.

     Yeah, sure.

dan

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02003-07-25 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 07:15 PM 7/25/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >I need suggestions for an air conditioner, a TV, a microwave oven,
> >a bed or sleeping surface of any kind, the best piece of furniture
> >to bog down a big empty room with, and a maid service. Please
> >attach your responses below:
> >
> >1.
>
> Call the Fab 5

A REAL maid service, "B CLARK"!

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02003-07-25 | Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> writes:
> 7/25/2003, 5:01 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
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> TS> 02003-07-25 | Dan Lester <dan@RIVEROFDATA.COM> writes:
> >> Well, twenty minutes later, TiVo has connected to my TiVo over the
> >> internet, scheduled the recording, and advised me of same.
>
> TS> The MAN is controlling your mind.
>
>      Yeah, sure.

Look at what the man made you type! Pathetic ...

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02003-07-25 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >I need suggestions for an air conditioner, a TV, a microwave oven,
> >a bed or sleeping surface of any kind, the best piece of furniture
> >to bog down a big empty room with, and a maid service. Please
> >attach your responses below:
>
> 1. AC - open a window
> 2. TV - go to the nearest bar
> 3. MWO - use take out
> 4. bed - try the floor
> 5. furniture - grand piano
> 6. mail - Natalie is retired. Or Karen.

Thanks ... are you cute?

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At 07:28 PM 7/25/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-07-25 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > At 07:11 PM 7/25/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >"You need to get a life. How's your niece?"
> >
> > She is getting married in September. Thanks for asking.
>
>Is she cute?

Yes, I think so.

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7/25/2003, 6:18 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

BKD> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>>I need suggestions for an air conditioner, a TV, a microwave oven,
>>a bed or sleeping surface of any kind, the best piece of furniture
>>to bog down a big empty room with, and a maid service. Please
>>attach your responses below:
>>
BKD> 1. AC - open a window
BKD> 2. TV - go to the nearest bar
BKD> 3. MWO - use take out
BKD> 4. bed - try the floor
BKD> 5. furniture - grand piano
BKD> 6. mail - Natalie is retired. Or Karen.

Even easier.  Get married.  Let her take care of all that shit.

dan

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At 07:29 PM 7/25/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-07-25 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > At 07:15 PM 7/25/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >I need suggestions for an air conditioner, a TV, a microwave oven,
> > >a bed or sleeping surface of any kind, the best piece of furniture
> > >to bog down a big empty room with, and a maid service. Please
> > >attach your responses below:
> > >
> > >1.
> >
> > Call the Fab 5
>
>A REAL maid service, "B CLARK"!

I was thinking about the decorating. You need more than basics if you plan
to invite chicks.

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On Friday, July 25, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>> http://www.knoxhouses.com/index.php?op=click&type=s3
>>
>>This just takes me to the main page.

> That's weird - me too. And I copied and pasted. Now when I search for the
> house, I get another URL - but when I try to go to the same house using
> that URL, I get taken to a different list of houses. There is no
> stability, for some reason.

> This might work. Go to
> http://www.knoxhouses.com/index.php?op=click&type=s3
> and click on Westmoreland, Riverbend, Seq Hills etc, then on the next page
> choose a price between $70,000 and $150,000
> then look for a house with this address:

> 6609 Crystal Lake Dr

> But that's lot of trouble  - I don't expect anyone to do that!

> Bethany

I typed in Crystal Lake Dr on the main page, and came up with the
house in a total of two clicks. Anyway, it looks like a nice house,
but you can't tell much from the photo.

Karen

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02003-07-25 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 07:28 PM 7/25/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-07-25 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >> At 07:11 PM 7/25/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> >"You need to get a life. How's your niece?"
> >>
> >> She is getting married in September. Thanks for asking.
> >
> >Is she cute?
>
> Yes, I think so.

GOOD!

Well, those skyscrapers sure can look pretty stupid, huh?

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02003-07-25 | Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> writes:
> 7/25/2003, 6:18 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>
> BKD> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >>I need suggestions for an air conditioner, a TV, a microwave oven,
> >>a bed or sleeping surface of any kind, the best piece of furniture
> >>to bog down a big empty room with, and a maid service. Please
> >>attach your responses below:
> >>
> BKD> 1. AC - open a window
> BKD> 2. TV - go to the nearest bar
> BKD> 3. MWO - use take out
> BKD> 4. bed - try the floor
> BKD> 5. furniture - grand piano
> BKD> 6. mail - Natalie is retired. Or Karen.
>
> Even easier.  Get married.  Let her take care of all that shit.

Excuse me Dan ... that needs TWO people to agree ...

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02003-07-25 | Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> writes:
> 7/25/2003, 5:01 PM, lisping cockatiel wrote:
>
> lc> O.K., but not even an English teacher,
> lc> who surely at some point made you and
> lc> your classmates stand up in front of
> lc> the room and make a speech, did not
> lc> mention the "I think" tarpit?
>
>        Even if the speech teacher didn't, the English teacher surely
>        did, other than one was writing a personal opinion essay.

That's just your opinion.

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At 07:44 PM 7/25/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:

>Well, those skyscrapers sure can look pretty stupid, huh?

As are you.

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At 07:47 PM 7/25/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-07-25 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > At 07:29 PM 7/25/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >02003-07-25 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > >> At 07:15 PM 7/25/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >> >I need suggestions for an air conditioner, a TV, a microwave oven,
> > >> >a bed or sleeping surface of any kind, the best piece of furniture
> > >> >to bog down a big empty room with, and a maid service. Please
> > >> >attach your responses below:
> > >> >
> > >> >1.
> > >>
> > >> Call the Fab 5
> > >
> > >A REAL maid service, "B CLARK"!
> >
> > I was thinking about the decorating. You need more than basics if you plan
> > to invite chicks.
>
>For what? Watching "Queer Makeovers"?

If you have to ask. . .

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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>I typed in Crystal Lake Dr on the main page, and came up with the
>house in a total of two clicks. Anyway, it looks like a nice house,
>but you can't tell much from the photo.

Cool. I'll report more tomorrow after viewing.

Bethany

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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>I'm not moving to California. Besides, I'm not a blogger.

I think a CA governor might do better from afar.

Bethany

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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>Thanks ... are you cute?

Damn right!

Bethany

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On Friday, July 25, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>I'm not moving to California. Besides, I'm not a blogger.

> I think a CA governor might do better from afar.

Uh-huh.

Karen

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 I am
> trying to protect a few
> thousand dollars for remedying small problems, since
> I am trying to buy
> poor.
>
> Bethany

Please post a special bulletin when you intend to buy
rich.


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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> What's frightening about my imagination is that I can
> project you to any place I please, without
> interference.

43 Ridge Rd.
Fairfax, CA 94930

Please deliver Tushar to the gazebo by 8:30 PST.

Ann

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> California Secretary of
> State site:
> <http://www.ss.ca.gov/elections/recall.htm>.
>
> Should blogspace field a candidate or two?
>
> Should blogspace field a thousand candidates, in a
> civil protest about the
> process?
>
> There is only a vanishingly small chance such a
> blogspace candidate would
> be elected, but just fielding a candidate and
> getting a couple hundred
> thousand votes would say, "We are here." It's an
> interesting opportunity.
> Paperwork is due August 9th.
>
> Pete

This person would have to be a California resident.
That sort of narrows the blog field.


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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>> trying to protect a few
>> thousand dollars for remedying small problems, since
>> I am trying to buy
>> poor.
>>
>Please post a special bulletin when you intend to buy
>rich.

Words-l will probably be the first to hear! (If you are not familiar with
Seq Hills, you may miss my point - the average house in Seq Hills probably
sells for well over $250,000.)

Bethany

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>
> I am not sure it is up to you to determine where I
> should be.
>
> I have apologized for your atrocious post.
>
> I forgive you.

I know of no one else who would be so gracious as to
take the time.

What's frightening about my imagination is that I can
project you to any place I please, without
interference.


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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> It's happening here and it's not as great as you think! EVERY new
> building here is reflective, with various degrees of curvature,
> and the effect is overwhelmingly cheap!

Well maybe your sky is ugly.  LUSER.

Ann

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> Some folks get herded to Confession
> starting in 1st grade.  You get that
> actions-have-consequences thing from
> an early age, it sticks with you, yeah.
>
> --
> boy, S.J.

For some reason, those two sentences make me feel
personally guilty about something - I'm not sure what.


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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> This person would have to be a California resident.
> That sort of narrows the blog field.

But not by much.

Ann

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--- "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> wrote:
> >
> >I was beginning to fear skunk hair was something
> like
> >Mormon crickets.
>
> It is.
>
> cwv

At least we'll be ale to tell from the other crickets
by their distinctive "dos".


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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> I need suggestions for an air conditioner, a TV, a microwave oven,
> a bed or sleeping surface of any kind, the best piece of furniture
> to bog down a big empty room with, and a maid service. Please
> attach your responses below:
>
You have an empty room to fill?  Please describe your other rooms.

Not that I'm planning to be projected there, or anything.

Ann

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> I think a CA governor might do better from afar.
>
> Bethany

There's an idea.  An absentee landlord, so to speak.
Then Karen could do it.


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> Backchannel is for wusses. (Rashmi)

Nominated for QOTD.

Sandra

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> Words-l will probably be the first to hear! (If you
> are not familiar with
> Seq Hills, you may miss my point - the average house
> in Seq Hills probably
> sells for well over $250,000.)
>
> Bethany

So I gathered, when I went to the site.  More Power to
you.


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> 43 Ridge Rd.
> Fairfax, CA 94930
>
> Please deliver Tushar to the gazebo by 8:30 PST.
>
> Ann

Head's ready to go on platter, track via FedEx.


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On Friday, July 25, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> Well maybe your sky is ugly.  LUSER.

There is more sky in Texas than anywhere else I've lived. I like this
a lot.

Karen

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--- sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> wrote:
> > Backchannel is for wusses. (Rashmi)
>
> Nominated for QOTD.
>
> Sandra

Wish someone would tell me what a wuss was.


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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

> Head's ready to go on platter, track via FedEx.

Talk about excellence at misreading posts!

Ann

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Burl has been very much a stay-at-home cat the past few months. So
much so that I was leery of leaving her outside when I went to Maine.
But I did, and she was fine--except that she couldn't get enough Kitty
Love the first few days I got back. She has settled down, though.

Normally she acts like I don't have a front door, and does all of her
coming and going through the back door. But today, for some reason,
she was sitting in the front hall (it's tiled, and therefore cool) and
indicated she wanted to go out when I walked by. So I let her out the
front door, because I was getting ready to throw her out anyway, since
I was on my way somewhere.

When I started looking for her more than 4 hours later, she wasn't
around. I called in the back, I called in the front. No Burl. I waited
an hour and called again. No Burl.

I waited another hour, and there she was, relaxing on the patio! She
came inside when I called her name, but has refused to tell me where
she was. And I'm not letting her out again for a while...

I am definitely growing dill again, though. She smells so good when
she walks through it.

Karen

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--- Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> > Head's ready to go on platter, track via FedEx.
>
> Talk about excellence at misreading posts!
>
> Ann

Oh!  I see.


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Yesterday, I found a story about Spain I wanted to
forward to Marie.  This was by Reuters.  I attempted
to forward the link to her, but got a message saying
Outlook had blocked the action of forwarding.  Is this
common and what's the problem?

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02003-07-25 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > It's happening here and it's not as great as you think! EVERY new
> > building here is reflective, with various degrees of curvature,
> > and the effect is overwhelmingly cheap!
>
> Well maybe your sky is ugly.  LUSER.

Maybe your EYE is ugly, MUSER.

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02003-07-25 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 07:44 PM 7/25/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >Well, those skyscrapers sure can look pretty stupid, huh?
>
> As are you.

Unassailably excellent point! Where is your niece's wedding?
Who's going?

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02003-07-25 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 07:47 PM 7/25/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-07-25 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >> At 07:29 PM 7/25/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> >02003-07-25 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >> >> At 07:15 PM 7/25/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> >> >I need suggestions for an air conditioner, a TV, a microwave oven,
> >> >> >a bed or sleeping surface of any kind, the best piece of furniture
> >> >> >to bog down a big empty room with, and a maid service. Please
> >> >> >attach your responses below:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >1.
> >> >>
> >> >> Call the Fab 5
> >> >
> >> >A REAL maid service, "B CLARK"!
> >>
> >> I was thinking about the decorating. You need more than basics if
> >> you plan to invite chicks.
> >
> >For what? Watching "Queer Makeovers"?
>
> If you have to ask. . .

Ask what? Don't leave us hanging!

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> > Well maybe your sky is ugly.  LUSER.
>
> Maybe your EYE is ugly, MUSER.

Maybe.  but the next name is OOZER and I don't think you want that name!

So I guess you better unsub for a minute or two!

Ann

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02003-07-25 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> What's frightening about my imagination is that I can
> project you to any place I please, without interference.

EWW!

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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Betty wrote:
> Can you see images yet on any computer?  Janet has her hair really cute
> with silver on top. She doesn't look like a skunk though. She looks great.

Sure, I can see images everywhere I go.  It's just I can't handle
attachments.  Do you have a url?

Ann

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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read by different people

http://classweb.gmu.edu/accent

The same English paragraph is read by native speakers of other languages.

Ann

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02003-07-25 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > > Well maybe your sky is ugly.  LUSER.
> >
> > Maybe your EYE is ugly, MUSER.
>
> Maybe.  but the next name is OOZER and I don't think you want that name!

Have you forgotten the alphabet, BOOSER?

> So I guess you better unsub for a minute or two!

I am back. Along with the other suggestions, I'd like to know
what cell phone to buy... Thanks

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02003-07-25 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > I need suggestions for an air conditioner, a TV, a microwave oven,
> > a bed or sleeping surface of any kind, the best piece of furniture
> > to bog down a big empty room with, and a maid service. Please
> > attach your responses below:
>
> You have an empty room to fill?  Please describe your other rooms.
>
> Not that I'm planning to be projected there, or anything.

With chicks like this, is it surprising I don't invite them?

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02003-07-25 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> --- sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> wrote:
> > > Backchannel is for wusses. (Rashmi)
> >
> > Nominated for QOTD.
> >
> > Sandra
>
> Wish someone would tell me what a wuss was.

Here is how a non-wuss would post:

TELL ME WHAT A WUSS IS, NOW.

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Burl as a female name?

Could you cite prior art, please.

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> With chicks like this, is it surprising I don't
> invite them?

What chicks might "this" be?


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> Here is how a non-wuss would post:
>
> TELL ME WHAT A WUSS IS, NOW.

Ah, a new title to boost my self-esteem - Wuss
Extraordinaire.


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Look at this:

http://babynamenetwork.com/search.cfm?name_search=cedric

"Invented in the early 1800s by Sir Walter Scott for a character
in Ivanhoe."

Anybody know if this is true or just another "Buffy" etymology?

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02003-07-25 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > Here is how a non-wuss would post:
> >
> > TELL ME WHAT A WUSS IS, NOW.
>
> Ah, a new title to boost my self-esteem - Wuss
> Extraordinaire.

If nothing, you excel at projecting.

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02003-07-25 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > With chicks like this, is it surprising I don't
> > invite them?
>
> What chicks might "this" be?

Ballistic expert chicks--projecting everywhere.

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02003-07-25 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > Backchannel is for wusses. (Rashmi)
>
> Nominated for QOTD.

Here'smy candidate:

Backchannel is for Charlie Rose.

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> If nothing, you excel at projecting.


Hey, if you're going to fail, do it with a vengeance.
I am a projectionist, as opposed to an exhibitionist.

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> Ballistic expert chicks--projecting everywhere.

The only thing I can really project is my imagination,
but that's enough.

My reading hour has started.  T. Roosevelt and I are
through.  Tonight I am meeting W. Churchill.  Wish me
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02003-07-25 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > Ballistic expert chicks--projecting everywhere.
>
> The only thing I can really project is my imagination,
> but that's enough.
>
> My reading hour has started.  T. Roosevelt and I are
> through.  Tonight I am meeting W. Churchill.  Wish me
> luck.

V

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On Friday, July 25, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Look at this:

> http://babynamenetwork.com/search.cfm?name_search=cedric

> "Invented in the early 1800s by Sir Walter Scott for a character
> in Ivanhoe."

> Anybody know if this is true or just another "Buffy" etymology?

Burl: A cup bearer or wine server.

Hm.

Well, she does lick my ear and give it a little love bite now and
then...

Karen

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Lynne Weber writes,

>I attempted to forward the link to her, but got a message saying Outlook
>had blocked the action of forwarding.  Is this common and what's the problem?

Need more information.  What was the wording of the error message?  How did
you try to forward the link?

Pete

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>
> My reading hour has started.  T. Roosevelt and I are
> through.  Tonight I am meeting W. Churchill.  Wish me
> luck.
>
>

It's time for my reading hour too.  Queen Noor's Leap of
Faith, still.  I really thought she could help me understand
some of the situtions in the Middle East, and she does a
beautiful job of giving background history, etc., but no
matter how much I read about this part of the world I
can't seem to understand or to get it all straight or
remember . . since it's all been carved up so many times
by so many people.  I get lost in the details and bored.
Meanwhile I'm loving reading about her background and
how she met and married the king and what her life is
like.  Good book.

                  - D. M.

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On Friday, July 25, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Burl as a female name?

> Could you cite prior art, please.

Why do you care?

Karen

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On Friday, July 25, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-07-25 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
>> > With chicks like this, is it surprising I don't
>> > invite them?
>>
>> What chicks might "this" be?

> Ballistic expert chicks--projecting everywhere.

Here a chick, there a chick, everywhere a chick-chick...

Karen

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02003-07-25 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Friday, July 25, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Burl as a female name?
>
> > Could you cite prior art, please.
>
> Why do you care?

I worry about your imagination, K-R-N.

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On Saturday, July 26, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-07-25 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Friday, July 25, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > Burl as a female name?
>>
>> > Could you cite prior art, please.
>>
>> Why do you care?

> I worry about your imagination, K-R-N.

I named her after my table, because when she sits on it, she
disappears, except for her eyes.

Have I mentioned that Paul's cat is my cat's evil twin? It's spooky.

But Katy always says where she's been; she tells Paul lots of stories.

Karen

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7/25/2003, 6:46 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

>>
>> Even easier.  Get married.  Let her take care of all that shit.

TS> Excuse me Dan ... that needs TWO people to agree ...

   Picky, picky.  Real men leave their cave and go out and find a
   woman and drag her back in.  Aren't you a real man?

dan

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At 3:13 PM -0700 7/24/03, lisping cockatiel wrote:
>No argument that the money blown
>putting on this binge could be
>better spent elsewhere, but why
>do you say it's a waste of time?

I think that this could be the best possible thing to happen to the
Democratic Party in California.  It's really a win-win situation, if (and
only if) the Democrats don't screw things up with internal dissension.

If the recall hadn't happened, Gray Davis would have continued to be
thoroughly unpopular, and, although he would be termed out, whoever
succeeded him as the Democratic candidate would be dragged down by Davis's
unpopularity; no matter who the actual candidate were, the Republicans
could and would run against Gray Davis.  Not a happy scenario for the
Democrats.

Since the recall is going to happen, there are two possible outcomes:

a) The recall is defeated.  Gray Davis serves out his term with a mandate
of sorts and a sympathy bonus, and the Democrats are re-energized.

b) The recall succeeds.  Whichever Republican is elected is going to be a
minority party governor in a state where passing a budget requires a
two-thirds vote in both the Senate and the Assembly, both of which are
solidly Democratic.  If you think this year's budget was a circus, you
ain't seen nuthin' yet.  As always, whoever is the governor at the time
will receive the bulk of the criticism for the inevitable debacle.

The above analysis assumes the Democrats hold fast and that no major
Democrat breaks ranks by filing for a spot on the recall ballot.  This is,
of course, a very dangerous assumption.

Personally, I think Darrel Issa was and is a fool for spearheading this.
I'll bet there are any number of Californian Republicans who feel the same
way.  In the short term, Issa may have advanced his career, but the
long-run view is not nearly as rosy for him.

I also think that Californians as a whole are fools for requiring this
insane two-thirds supermajority vote for such a basic thing as passing a
state budget.  But there's no way in hell that will be changed any time
soon.

And as I long as I'm on my soapbox, the true origin of this particular
situation lies in term limits.  California's energy crisis was the result
of amateur politicians being snookered by professional lobbyists, and the
energy crisis in turn was one of the galvanizing forces behind the recall
campaign.  Term limits are inherently pernicious.  I want my
representatives to be professional politicians for the same reason that I
want my doctors and dentists and lawyers to be professional doctors and
dentists and lawyers.

Ken Miller
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The Lostin Times

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In a message dated 7/25/2003 10:47:06 PM Central Daylight Time, 
scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
<<
Burl as a female name?

Could you cite prior art, please.

>>

Most people thought that Brandy was a girl's name.
If I could name a boy cat "Brandy," she can name a
girl cat "Burl." 

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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>>Hasn't anyone else noticed that the three nicest wordslers are men.
>>
>>Sandra
>
>And conversely the three most annoying wordslers are women.
>
>lisa

Criminy!  I demand a recount!

Ken Miller
Jon Winokur School of Curmudgeonry

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

>In a message dated 7/25/2003 10:47:06 PM Central Daylight Time,
>scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
><<
>Burl as a female name?
>
>Could you cite prior art, please.
>
>
>
>
>Most people thought that Brandy was a girl's name.
>If I could name a boy cat "Brandy," she can name a
>girl cat "Burl."
>
>
>
And there is precedent.  See archives.

Rita L.

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What a <wuss> of a  movie. Now I remember exactly why I have seen few
Shirley Temple movies - she's Doris Day minus the music. My revered
female star was Bette Davis. It's a heck of a long way from Bette Davis to
ST or DD.

I watched all of Seabiscuit primarily in order to see the race footage
from actual races. (Seabiscuit has one really nice grin.)

I'll plan to see the new Seabiscuit on a weekday this week. Now I'm off to
see the real Maria.

Bethany

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Doris Markland wrote:

>>My reading hour has started.  T. Roosevelt and I are
>>through.  Tonight I am meeting W. Churchill.  Wish me
>>luck.
>>
>>
>>
>
> It's time for my reading hour too.  Queen Noor's Leap of
> Faith, still.  I really thought she could help me understand
> some of the situtions in the Middle East, and she does a
> beautiful job of giving background history, etc., but no
> matter how much I read about this part of the world I
> can't seem to understand or to get it all straight or
> remember . . since it's all been carved up so many times
> by so many people.  I get lost in the details and bored.
> Meanwhile I'm loving reading about her background and
> how she met and married the king and what her life is
> like.  Good book.


I finished Atonement yesterday and began The Sound and the Fury.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Lynne Weber wrote:

> --- sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> wrote:
>
>>>Backchannel is for wusses. (Rashmi)
>>>
>>Nominated for QOTD.
>>
>>Sandra
>>
>
> Wish someone would tell me what a wuss was.


Wussy is the polite form of pussy.  If I told you that
backchanneling was for pussies (and it is), then you'd
understand, projectile flirting or no.




--
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Are you familiar with this?  ("The Hitchhiker's Guide to the U.S. Supreme
Court." )

http://www.oyez.org/oyez/frontpage

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Subject: Re:      Re: Seabiscuit/TiVo
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Lester" <dan@GAILNDAN.COM>
> 7/25/2003, 2:52 PM, Betty wrote:
>
> B> Are you happy with TiVo?  Alan, did you end up getting it?  I want to
> B> escape and go out to a movie though.  We go through spurts with our
movie
> B> going.
>
> TiVo is awesome.  No commercials.  Save time.  Records what you want,
> not what you don't.  Will record suggestions for you if you wish it
> to, and it is trainable in those areas as well.  Updates daily.  etc.
>
>
> dan

Yeah, 'been enjoying it, but have to fast fwd over the commercials... 'don't
think you can merely select not to record them.  Dan, man, tell me what you
know that I'm missing?

I am waiting for features that will let you edit the content on disk so I
can create a library of the live music from SaturdayNightLive.

'Alan

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At 07:35 AM 7/26/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>What a <wuss> of a  movie. Now I remember exactly why I have seen few
>Shirley Temple movies - she's Doris Day minus the music. My revered
>female star was Bette Davis. It's a heck of a long way from Bette Davis to
>ST or DD.
.
Don't tell the ending!

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02003-07-26 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
> I finished Atonement yesterday and began The Sound and the Fury.

Damn, suddenly I felt I was drinking cheap ass tea in the
St Xavier's canteen ...

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02003-07-26 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> But Katy always says where she's been; she tells Paul lots of stories.

THAT's spooky.

You know there's a lot of money in it ...

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02003-07-26 | Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM> writes:
> >>Hasn't anyone else noticed that the three nicest wordslers are men.
> >>
> >>Sandra
> >
> >And conversely the three most annoying wordslers are women.
> >
> >lisa
>
> Criminy!  I demand a recount!
>
> Ken Miller
> Jon Winokur School of Curmudgeonry

Oh god, the "curmudgeons" are back ...

Where's my Tylenol

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Rita:
=
= I finished Atonement yesterday and began The Sound and the Fury.
=

I'm working on The Life of Pi, and did The Kiln People over
vacation.  Dirt Music just came, so I suppose that's next.

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steph wrote:

> Rita:
> =
> = I finished Atonement yesterday and began The Sound and the Fury.
> =
>
> I'm working on The Life of Pi, and did The Kiln People over
> vacation.  Dirt Music just came, so I suppose that's next.


        Amazon has been relentlessly suggesting that Pi book to me,
but I've resisted.  I have Bel Canto and Peace Like a River
in my TBR stack (and an Umberto Eco collection of essays
that might be next).




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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At 10:40 AM 7/26/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
        Amazon has been relentlessly suggesting that Pi book to me,
>but I've resisted.  I have Bel Canto and Peace Like a River
>in my TBR stack (and an Umberto Eco collection of essays
>that might be next).

What did you think of Atonement? I've read it but have since forgotten.

Betty

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On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, Alan Wild wrote:

>Yeah, 'been enjoying it, but have to fast fwd over the commercials... 'don't
>think you can merely select not to record them.  Dan, man, tell me what you
>know that I'm missing?

There were no commercials or other breaks during Seabiscuit. (TMC.)

Bethany

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02003-07-26 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 10:40 AM 7/26/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>        Amazon has been relentlessly suggesting that Pi book to me,
> >but I've resisted.  I have Bel Canto and Peace Like a River
> >in my TBR stack (and an Umberto Eco collection of essays
> >that might be next).
>
> What did you think of Atonement? I've read it but have since forgotten.

Huh? Read it, enjoy it, forget about it. Why do you have to
start gassing about it?

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The real Maria is fine. David took her out for a short hack this morning.
Tentatively, I plan to resume riding one day this week  - maybe as late
as Sat., but perhaps earlier. I am still wrestling with issues of the best
exercise for my knee, etc.

Bethany

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At 10:58 AM 7/26/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-07-26 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > At 10:40 AM 7/26/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
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> > >that might be next).
> >
> > What did you think of Atonement? I've read it but have since forgotten.
>
>Huh? Read it, enjoy it, forget about it. Why do you have to
>start gassing about it?

No one is talking to you.

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02003-07-26 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 10:58 AM 7/26/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-07-26 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >> At 10:40 AM 7/26/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >>        Amazon has been relentlessly suggesting that Pi book to me,
> >> >but I've resisted.  I have Bel Canto and Peace Like a River
> >> >in my TBR stack (and an Umberto Eco collection of essays
> >> >that might be next).
> >>
> >> What did you think of Atonement? I've read it but have since forgotten.
> >
> >Huh? Read it, enjoy it, forget about it. Why do you have to
> >start gassing about it?
>
> No one is talking to you.

I would like to discuss this response. What do you think about
the phrase "no one"? Should it be one word?

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From: "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
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I drove by the house that my agent wants to show me this morning. It looks
decent, and it appears to be in a neighborhood of houses in much
newer/better repair - that bodes well for resale after some TLC. But I
don't know if I can stand to live in a completely residential
neighborhood.

I have lived in the Old City most of the past 12 years - I am accustomed
to knowing all sorts of people in my home environment - and of seeing them
regularly - neighbors, employees, lawyers, etc. etc.

Another advantage of Seq Hills is that the area I would buy in is very
near the center of Seq Hills. Part of it is zoned commercial and that area
contains a <full service> service station, a bank, a restaurant-groceria,
etc. The service station owner is going to add a very small food market
(the existing one is upscale and extremely expensive).

There is also the river,, the boulevard, the proximity to downtown, etc.

Perhaps I should just move to a convent. It's a pity someone did not found
one in Seq Hills decades ago. Then I would know what to do.

Or perhaps I shall retire and purchase land near the Abbey of Gethsemani,
move a double-wide onto it, and settle in.

<sigh>

Bethany

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At 11:05 AM 7/26/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > No one is talking to you.
>
>I would like to discuss this response. What do you think about
>the phrase "no one"? Should it be one word?

Not always.

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lisping cockatiel wrote:

> Kristin, on www.m-w.com:
> > Didn't you have, or notice some obstacles at the site a couple of months
> > ago? The page loaded, but I could read hardly one explanation of a word
> > from it, then it just stuck. That lasted for several weeks.
>
> Yes, I remember that.  But we shouldn't
> complain too loudly about something that's
> free, should we?

Right, perhaps. Only I'd like to *know* whether it works or not: it is not
working at the very moment :( The page is there, I cannot look up a word.

Kr.

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On Saturday, July 26, 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> lisping cockatiel wrote:

>> Kristin, on www.m-w.com:
>> > Didn't you have, or notice some obstacles at the site a couple of months
>> > ago? The page loaded, but I could read hardly one explanation of a word
>> > from it, then it just stuck. That lasted for several weeks.
>>
>> Yes, I remember that.  But we shouldn't
>> complain too loudly about something that's
>> free, should we?

> Right, perhaps. Only I'd like to *know* whether it works or not: it is not
> working at the very moment :( The page is there, I cannot look up a word.

I can. What do you want to know?

Karen

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02003-07-26 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 11:05 AM 7/26/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> No one is talking to you.
> >
> >I would like to discuss this response. What do you think about
> >the phrase "no one"? Should it be one word?
>
> Not always.

Thank you. Well, any consensus on what TV/VCR/DVD/MP3/TIVO/JPG/BBC/
DB2/QPB/XML/V8/WKRP combo I should buy? Screw "Atonement", Atonement
sucks

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02003-07-26 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Saturday, July 26, 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > Right, perhaps. Only I'd like to *know* whether it works or not: it is
> > not working at the very moment :( The page is there, I cannot look up
> > a word.
>
> I can. What do you want to know?

I am not sure it's anybody's business but hers, K-R-N.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Right, perhaps. Only I'd like to *know* whether it works or not: it is not
> > working at the very moment :( The page is there, I cannot look up a word.
>
> I can. What do you want to know?

I wanted to look up "criminy" -- easy as its meaning should be to guess maybe, it
cannot be found among entries or derivatives in OED. And I cannot guess its exact
meaning.

And I would have looked for "kazoo" (for that maybe googling would do).

Thanks.

Kristin

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > > not working at the very moment :( The page is there, I cannot look up
> > > a word.
> >
> > I can. What do you want to know?
>
> I am not sure it's anybody's business but hers, K-R-N.

I am grateful for Karen's offer. Though, I do not want to change part of the
conversation in the list into lessons of English vocabulary at a more or less
primitive level. So, of course I am not going to ask for explanation for every
word I cannot understand at the first sight.

Kristin

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At 11:22 AM 7/26/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>Thank you. Well, any consensus on what TV/VCR/DVD/MP3/TIVO/JPG/BBC/
>DB2/QPB/XML/V8/WKRP combo I should buy? Screw "Atonement", Atonement
>sucks

In honor of Alyce's memorial service today, just don't buy it at
Walmart.  Go to a place like Costco and just get whatever they have. There
is too much to choose from.  If that can't work for you, get whatever Pete
recommends.

Betty

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02003-07-26 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > > > not working at the very moment :( The page is there, I cannot look up
> > > > a word.
> > >
> > > I can. What do you want to know?
> >
> > I am not sure it's anybody's business but hers, K-R-N.
>
> I am grateful for Karen's offer. Though, I do not want to change part
> of the conversation in the list into lessons of English vocabulary at
> a more or less primitive level. So, of course I am not going to ask
> for explanation for every word I cannot understand at the first sight.

Hm! I'd say m-w knows nothing, and this service knows everything.
Questions must be asked here. A good side effect is that the most
paralyzingly tedious threads get pushed out as a result. Now as
for "criminy"--I don't know what it means, but I have used it in
sentences countless times and nobody objected. Of course, I haven't
used it in speech because it would sound ridiculous in my humorous
accent. As far as I can tell, just like "crikey" and the like, it
is a version of "Christ". So wherever you would want to say "Christ!"
(excuse my language kindly) in exasperation or dismay, you could
say "criminy". Once again, I mean that in theory only--although
somebody as horribly cute as you could really say it, I don't know.

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Betty wrote:

> At 10:40 AM 7/26/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>        Amazon has been relentlessly suggesting that Pi book to me,
>
>> but I've resisted.  I have Bel Canto and Peace Like a River
>> in my TBR stack (and an Umberto Eco collection of essays
>> that might be next).
>
>
> What did you think of Atonement? I've read it but have since forgotten.


I liked it.  I found the first 100 pages or so tough to get
into, but then it grabbed me.  I loved the rejection letter,
which laid out exactly why those first 100 pages were slow.
  I thought the narrative voice was one of the most
compelling I've ever come across.  I really struggled with
trusting every word.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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02003-07-26 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> I thought the narrative voice was one of the most compelling
> I've ever come across.

Well I am going to buy it TODAY.

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02003-07-26 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 11:22 AM 7/26/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >Thank you. Well, any consensus on what TV/VCR/DVD/MP3/TIVO/JPG/BBC/
> >DB2/QPB/XML/V8/WKRP combo I should buy? Screw "Atonement", Atonement
> >sucks
>
> In honor of Alyce's memorial service today, just don't buy it at
> Walmart.  Go to a place like Costco and just get whatever they have. There
> is too much to choose from.  If that can't work for you, get whatever Pete
> recommends.

Thank you, Clark.

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On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

>  I thought the narrative voice was one of the most
>compelling I've ever come across.  I really struggled with
>trusting every word.

Rita - do you mean that it was hard for you to trust the narrative voice
- or that it was hard for you not to trust it? I can't tell which you
mean when you say you struggled with trusting it.

Thanks,
Bethany

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I went to see what was in my Amazon book recommendations, and The
Life of Pi was there.  I threw all the recommendations out with a
not interested, except for Pi which I told it I owned.  Once of
the books that showed up was The Corrections, which I also threw
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Axing that brought up Empire Falls.  Losing this brings up Dead Man's
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and Spanish dictionaries.  With a little science fiction, Solaris
administration and some James Collins thrown in to make it
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On Saturday, July 26, 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> I am grateful for Karen's offer. Though, I do not want to change part of the
> conversation in the list into lessons of English vocabulary at a more or less
> primitive level. So, of course I am not going to ask for explanation for every
> word I cannot understand at the first sight.

But above all, Wordslers like explaining. So I wouldn't hesitate to
ask about words I don't understand.

Karen

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On Saturday, July 26, 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> > Right, perhaps. Only I'd like to *know* whether it works or not: it is not
>> > working at the very moment :( The page is there, I cannot look up a word.
>>
>> I can. What do you want to know?

> I wanted to look up "criminy" -- easy as its meaning should be to guess maybe, it
> cannot be found among entries or derivatives in OED. And I cannot guess its exact
> meaning.

Hm. It's an expletive.

I must confess that rather than depending on m-w.com, I use
http://www.onelook.com. It's a frontend to a bunch of dictionaries,
but none of them list 'criminy' or 'criminey'. I'm surprised it's not
in the OED, though.

And I don't know why m-w.com doesn't always work for you--I haven't
noticed any problem, but you probably use it more than I do.

> And I would have looked for "kazoo" (for that maybe googling would do).

It's a musical instrument. "a toy wind instrument that has a membrane
that makes a sound when you hum into the mouthpiece".

http://www.wikipedia.com has a good article.

Kazoo
>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

The kazoo, a simple musical instrument (membranophone) that adds tonal
qualities when the player hums into it, was invented in the 19th
century in Macon, Georgia by an African American named Alabama Vest,
who based it on an African device called the mirliton which was used
to disguise the priest's voice in ceremonies. The first kazoo was
manufactured to Vest's specifications by Thaddeus von Clegg, a German
clockmaker in Macon. The kazoo was first publicized at the Georgia
State Fair in 1852.

The first metal kazoos were manufactured and patented in Eden, New
York, where they are still made in the original factory. A temporary
kazoo can be made by combining comb and tissue paper or wax paper.

The kazoo is played professionally in jug bands and comedy music, and
by amateurs everywhere. It is one of the few acoustic instruments to
be developed in the United States and one of the easiest melodic
instruments to play well, requiring only the ability to hum in tune.

In the Original Dixieland Jass Band 1921 recording of "Crazy Blues",
what the casual listener might mistake for a trombone solo is actually
a kazoo solo by drummer Tony Sbarbaro. The Mound City Blue Blowers had
a number of hit kazoo records in the early 1920s. The Mound City Blue
Blowers featured Dick Slevin on metal kazoo and Red McKenzie on comb
and tissue paper kazoo.

The kazoo is not often found in classical music, a rare exception
being David Bedford's With 100 Kazoos, a piece which emphasises the
simplicity of the instrument - rather than being played by trained
musicians, kazoos are handed out to members of the audience, who
accompany a professional instrumental ensemble."

See the Wikipedia article for a list of pop kazoo performances
including Eric Clapton, The Kinks, and Pink Floyd.

Karen

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On Saturday, July 26, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Once again, I mean that in theory only--although
> somebody as horribly cute as you could really say it, I don't know.

Sure she could.

Karen

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Bethany K. Dumas wrote:


>
> Rita - do you mean that it was hard for you to trust the narrative voice
> - or that it was hard for you not to trust it? I can't tell which you
> mean when you say you struggled with trusting it.


        I mean I struggled with whether or not to trust it.   I
wanted to trust it, but couldn't -- not as a naive reader,
but because I found the narrative voice, which is a
character in the book, somebody I wanted to believe, but
could not.  I was stuck between liking her and being
horrified by her.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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steph wrote:

> I went to see what was in my Amazon book recommendations, and The
> Life of Pi was there.  I threw all the recommendations out with a
> not interested, except for Pi which I told it I owned.  Once of
> the books that showed up was The Corrections, which I also threw
> out by telling them I owned it.  Next replacement was Atonement.
> Axing that brought up Empire Falls.  Losing this brings up Dead Man's
> Walk.



> The rest of the books are Anthony Bourdain, books about quilting
> and Spanish dictionaries.  With a little science fiction, Solaris
> administration and some James Collins thrown in to make it
> interesting.  Their algorithm has no imagination.


        No, it tends to be heavy with books by the same author.  I
can tell it I own Best American Poetry back to 1994, and it
will then offer me the 1993 edition -- no other poetry mind
you.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Terry, we need to keep you in the house.

Terry Wild wrote:

>> Forget the screens.  How are you doing?
>>
>> A wlm moment---when we gave blood this week, one of the questions was
>> about babesiosis, i.e., have you within (some duration) had it.
>>
>> cwv
>
>
>
> Wonders of creatures unseen....  36 hours after finishing the clindamycin I
> developed a delayed allergic reaction.  Another physical affliction I could
> have done without, so a 10 day med regime for that.  The blood work on Wed.
> showed I have low levels of antibodies for Lyme's and Ehrlichiosis.
> Another blood test was drawn, 7-10 day wait, but the Dr. felt I should
> start the antibiotic, so I'm now on Doxycycline.
>
> Last Friday, over about 10 minutes, Edward broke out in the bulls-eye rash
> all over his arms and legs.  That combined with the fever of the previous
> weekend are considered classic Lyme's symptoms, so he is on Amoxycillin for
> 21 days.  The estimate of infection was about 4 weeks prior.
>
> Alan has been great support while I make my weekend runs to the emergency
> room.  I hope to give him a break this weekend and stick around.  His
> choice of Tuxedo Tom was perfect, the cat has been successfully mousing all
> week.  I need to buy more treats, for both of them!
>
> I spoke with a couple of people this week that found out through giving
> blood that they had babesiosis.  They were non symptomatic.
>
> Terry
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

>        I mean I struggled with whether or not to trust it.   I
>wanted to trust it, but couldn't -- not as a naive reader,
>but because I found the narrative voice, which is a
>character in the book, somebody I wanted to believe, but
>could not.  I was stuck between liking her and being
>horrified by her.

Thanks - now I am getting interested.

Bethany

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Tushar Samant wrote:

>  Now as
> for "criminy"--I don't know what it means, but I have used it in
> sentences countless times and nobody objected. Of course, I haven't
> used it in speech because it would sound ridiculous in my humorous
> accent. As far as I can tell, just like "crikey" and the like, it
> is a version of "Christ".

8-o

> Once again, I mean that in theory only--although
> somebody as horribly cute as you could really say it, I don't know.

I'll try. Secretly first, when nobody can overhear, and then I'll see what's
going to happen. Maybe I'll be cutely horrible then.

Kristin

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At 12:44 PM 7/26/2003 -0500, terry wrote:

>>Wonders of creatures unseen....  36 hours after finishing the clindamycin I
>>developed a delayed allergic reaction.  Another physical affliction I could
>>have done without, so a 10 day med regime for that.  The blood work on Wed.
>>showed I have low levels of antibodies for Lyme's and Ehrlichiosis.
>>Another blood test was drawn, 7-10 day wait, but the Dr. felt I should
>>start the antibiotic, so I'm now on Doxycycline.
>>
>>Last Friday, over about 10 minutes, Edward broke out in the bulls-eye rash
>>all over his arms and legs.  That combined with the fever of the previous
>>weekend are considered classic Lyme's symptoms, so he is on Amoxycillin for
>>21 days.  The estimate of infection was about 4 weeks prior.

Wow.  I'm almost sorry I asked.  My sympathy to all of you.  I was
surprised about the 4-week gap between the estimated infection and Edward's
symptoms---I had thought that the bulls-eye symptom was more immediate.

cwv

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Hm. It's an expletive.

I wouldn't have guessed that. I only thought it must derive from "crime".

> I must confess that rather than depending on m-w.com, I use
> http://www.onelook.com.

I'll bookmark this, too.

Thanks for all your explanations!

> And I don't know why m-w.com doesn't always work for you--I haven't
> noticed any problem, but you probably use it more than I do.

At some time it not only stuck but made all the net connection in my computer to stick.
So that only restart, or even complete shutting down and then re-starting helped. But
earlier that used to happen mainly when I had discovered word games there and amused
myself with them for a while, later on I actually avoided opening it for some time. I
didn't think it'd ruin something thoroughly in the computer, but it was so boring to
get stuck over and over again.

Kristin

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> It is STOOOOOPID, man...I'd like to take an AK - 47 to that whole bunch of
> nincompoop queens on that show.....
>
> Young gay guys have become the "Valley Girls" of the '00's....
>
> --
> Best
> Greg

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> ...is this Saturday. Marie, Carolyn, and myself are going.  I don't know if
> any other Wordslers are.
>
> --Adam

It started 3 hours and twenty minutes ago. What did I do at the moment?
Actually I was about to go out, together with Imbi who is reading her mail now
right next to me at another desk. But some minutes before it we together were
browsing a book from Alybooks. I feel slightly bad inside that I only
remembered the date, not the time of the day. I would've devoted some thoughts
on her exactly in the minutes of the beginning of the service. Maybe I did. For
I think of her often.

Waiting for attendants' impressions.

Kristin

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well, not a storm. actually it is only threatening yet. But I guess it's
wise to rush home before the vision to get soaked...

 -- Hmm, a queer sentence, but I like it that way. Besides, during these
few seconds since I started the message, it is no bare threat any more.
Seems I have given/forced to have some more time to choose among unread
mail and read it.

Kr.

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> Has it hit your Area?

When my hair becomes beautifully grey all over, then I maybe won't skunk
it any more. Till that I'll try, with good advice from my hairdresser,
to skunk it either more originally, or more modestly, depending on the
mood, and time of the year, and I do not know what else, than all the
other women on the streets. I just cannot get used to the plain, partly
brown, partly grey image the undyed hair would cast on me in the mirror.
But recently I've let part of the natural grey to be seen, and am
slightly proud of it as an evidence of some knowledge how to get older.

Kristin

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On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:

>When my hair becomes beautifully grey all over, then I maybe won't skunk
>it any more. Till that I'll try, with good advice from my hairdresser,

One of the most liberating things I have done in my life was stop going to
a hairdresser, simultaneously giving up $55 haircuts and hair coloring. I
Iove the developing gray. Also, I have learned that hair does not "turn
gray" - rather, pigment leaves.

Bethany

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Maybe we could turn one floor of Hamilton House into a convent. Then, like
the nuns in the convent I once stayed in on Oahu, perhaps we could have
the pool to ourselves for a part of the day! We LSA participants got put
there because of an overflow problem. The nuns got the pool until 11 a.m.,
after which it was ours.

Probably we will need the top floor (where there is one penthouse unit),
since we will surely want to be as close to God as possible.

OTOH, if I can buy that penthouse unit, maybe we can put the convent idea
on hold.

(Can you tell I am tired of working on the report I am editing???)

Bethany

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7/26/2003, 7:30 AM, Betty wrote:

B> At 07:35 AM 7/26/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>>What a <wuss> of a  movie. Now I remember exactly why I have seen few
>>Shirley Temple movies - she's Doris Day minus the music. My revered
>>female star was Bette Davis. It's a heck of a long way from Bette Davis to
>>ST or DD.
B> .
B> Don't tell the ending!

TiVo is recording it now.  The review I just read said it was pretty
lame and not very close to facts, other than the race footage.

dan

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On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, Dan Lester wrote:

>TiVo is recording it now.  The review I just read said it was pretty
>lame and not very close to facts, other than the race footage.

Yes - the 1949 story line bears almost no resemblance to the facts of the
actual scenario.

Bethany

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Tushar, on buildings:
>Sears and Amoco and the John Hancock

Agreed, except I'd change your order to 2, 1, 3.

<TIFR>
Oh, and by "Amoco", I assume you meant
the Standard Oil building.
</TIFR>

Tell me what you think about the Prudential
building (they didn't rip it down, did they?).

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Ann:
>> This person would have to be a California resident.
>> That sort of narrows the blog field.
> But not by much.

You've noticed that too, have you?

But, since -- what -- 1 in 8 of USAians is
a CAian, maybe the same percentage should
hold in the (ojeezimactuallygonnausetheword)
blogosphe

No.  It's just too stupid a word.


Anyway, you'd expect a large number
of people participating in _anything_
to be Californians, there are so many,
and if you factor in all the computerish
folks without jobs and nothing better
to do, then you get a CA-clogged blogosphe

  NO

..then you get a community of "web
journal people" with a disproportionate
share of THEM.*




* if you get it fine, if not, that's
O.K., too.

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> Have I mentioned that Paul's cat is my cat's evil twin?

Incessantly.

>It's spooky.

It's boring.

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>I want my representatives to be professional politicians

No comment, move along.

I just wanted this for handy Googling lookup.

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Kristin:
>> complain too loudly about something that's free
> Right, perhaps. Only I'd like to *know* whether it works or not:

Oh, yeah.  You sit there and think "dammit,
if you're going to do this, at least make
the thing work".

Except sometimes I don't sit and think,
I stand and yell.

Gotta work on that.

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lisping cockatiel wrote:

> Tushar, on buildings:
>
>>Sears and Amoco and the John Hancock
>>
>
> Agreed, except I'd change your order to 2, 1, 3.
>
> <TIFR>
> Oh, and by "Amoco", I assume you meant
> the Standard Oil building.
> </TIFR>
>
> Tell me what you think about the Prudential
> building (they didn't rip it down, did they?).


        The one in the Back Bay looks like a giant ice cream
sandwich, but at least the windows don't burst anymore.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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On Saturday, July 26, 2003, lisping cockatiel wrote:
>> Have I mentioned that Paul's cat is my cat's evil twin?

> Incessantly.

>>It's spooky.

> It's boring.

Phhhhbbbbt! to you.

Karen

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02003-07-26 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> Maybe we could turn one floor of Hamilton House into a convent. Then, like
> the nuns in the convent I once stayed in on Oahu, perhaps we could have
> the pool to ourselves for a part of the day! We LSA participants got put
> there because of an overflow problem. The nuns got the pool until 11 a.m.,
> after which it was ours.
>
> Probably we will need the top floor (where there is one penthouse unit),
> since we will surely want to be as close to God as possible.
>
> OTOH, if I can buy that penthouse unit, maybe we can put the convent idea
> on hold.
>
> (Can you tell I am tired of working on the report I am editing???)

This could put Penthouse magazine back on track!

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02003-07-26 | lisping cockatiel <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> blogosphe
>
> No.  It's just too stupid a word.

This is contemptible.

Call it gosphere like everyone else.

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On Saturday, July 26, 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Hm. It's an expletive.

> I wouldn't have guessed that. I only thought it must derive from "crime".

As someone else noticed, no, it derives from Christ.

> At some time it not only stuck but made all the net connection in my computer to stick.
> So that only restart, or even complete shutting down and then re-starting helped. But
> earlier that used to happen mainly when I had discovered word games there and amused
> myself with them for a while, later on I actually avoided opening it for some time. I
> didn't think it'd ruin something thoroughly in the computer, but it was so boring to
> get stuck over and over again.

Yes.

I wonder if you have firewall issues or something.

Karen

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Where are the reports? I heard there were several WLM's.

Karen

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On Saturday, July 26, 2003, lisping cockatiel wrote:
> ..then you get a community of "web
> journal people" with a disproportionate
> share of THEM.*




> * if you get it fine, if not, that's
> O.K., too.

Okay.

Pete is the only blogger I know from California--the rest of the dozen
or so are from elsewhere.

Karen

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02003-07-26 | lisping cockatiel <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> Tushar, on buildings:
> >Sears and Amoco and the John Hancock
>
> Agreed, except I'd change your order to 2, 1, 3.
>
> <TIFR>
> Oh, and by "Amoco", I assume you meant
> the Standard Oil building.
> </TIFR>
>
> Tell me what you think about the Prudential
> building (they didn't rip it down, did they?).

It's fine ...

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On Saturday, July 26, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> I know - you're bored. Practice using the delete key - it cannot get too
> much use. I can't live in that house, because I want to have a bicycle,
> and I don't intend to haul it around in my vehicle often. I cannot ride it
> on Crystal Lake or Duncan or Northshore. I HAVE to live in Seq Hills.

A lot of condos are not set up for bicycles, and make keeping one
really difficult.

Karen

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02003-07-26 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Saturday, July 26, 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> >> Hm. It's an expletive.
>
> > I wouldn't have guessed that. I only thought it must derive from "crime".
>
> As someone else noticed, no, it derives from Christ.

Spread me on toast and put onions on me

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I know - you're bored. Practice using the delete key - it cannot get too
much use. I can't live in that house, because I want to have a bicycle,
and I don't intend to haul it around in my vehicle often. I cannot ride it
on Crystal Lake or Duncan or Northshore. I HAVE to live in Seq Hills.

Bethany

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On Saturday, July 26, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-07-26 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Saturday, July 26, 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
>> > Karen Kay wrote:
>> >> Hm. It's an expletive.
>>
>> > I wouldn't have guessed that. I only thought it must derive from "crime".
>>
>> As someone else noticed, no, it derives from Christ.

> Spread me on toast and put onions on me

Only if I get to lick you off.:)

Karen

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Paul and I returned approximately an hour ago, after attending the service
 and then going to Alyce's house with Adam, Jeff, Doug, Tammy (wife), Berta
 (A's sister), and a couple of "the girls" from town. The young females
 went off to shop or so, and Doug and Jeff serially hosted while wishing us
 otherwhere, I'm sure, since they had business to take care of. They were
 very gracious, and Doug showed us videos, including Alyce and Ken touring
 Victorian homes while shopping for the house in Germantown, and 8-ml
 movies from the '60s, with commentary from Alyce overdubbed.

It was fascinating to get glimpses of younger Alyce, at home in Chicago in
the late '50's. Doug says he will transfer to DVD and make sure Tushar gets
 a copy.

As to the service, there is much to say. I think "stunned" sums up one
impression of the choices made for remembrance of Alyce. The pastor
'llowed as how he met Alyce at times in the PO but never got to converse
 with her, and opined it might have been his connection to organized
religion that kept them apart. I personally think it was his fondness for
Reader's Digest, to which he urged Doug and Jeff to send the story of their
meeting with their mother.

He also apologized for Alyce's political views, asking us to understand
that her pacifism sprang from concern for others, rather than more nefarious
motives. All who know me will understand that my own pacifism was sorely
challenged, and I resolved to add a braided prayer for strength to bear
fools more gladly.

Jeff and Doug did well at the service, and read remembrances from several
 Wordslers. I do have to note that Tammy reported that they had
 recently purchased a microwave from Walmart for use in Alyce's house, a
 fact we confirmed when we got there.

It was a pleasure meeting Marie, and seeing Adam again. Paul and I got to
sing harmony on several well-worn hymns; I kept hearing George Beverly
Shea in my head.

I am very glad I went, but also hope that somewhere someone is hefting a
bottle of cheap whiskey in Alyce's name, to wash away the taste of
 sanctity. Hm. Perhaps I'll see what's in my cupboard.

clo

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On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>A lot of condos are not set up for bicycles, and make keeping one
>really difficult.

The condo will not be the issue. I have always kept mine inside. But if I
buy a house west of Seq Hills, I will not be able to ride it in mny
neighborhood. That's the issue.

I will keep the bike with my riding tack, some of which I keep at PF, some
of which I keep at home.

Bethany

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> I'll try. Secretly first, when nobody can overhear,
> and then I'll see what's
> going to happen. Maybe I'll be cutely horrible then.
>
> Kristin

I am charmed by your posts.   They give me insight
into words that I'd never have thought of before.
BTW, I won't look up "no one", because I spell it "no
one" for aesthetic reasons.  "Noone" looks like
"noon-ey" to me.  I just don't like it.


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--- Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> wrote:
> Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> > Has it hit your Area?
>
> When my hair becomes beautifully grey all over, then
> I maybe won't skunk
> it any more. Till that I'll try, with good advice
> from my hairdresser,
> to skunk it either more originally, or more
> modestly, depending on the
> mood, and time of the year, and I do not know what
> else, than all the
> other women on the streets. I just cannot get used
> to the plain, partly
> brown, partly grey image the undyed hair would cast
> on me in the mirror.
> But recently I've let part of the natural grey to be
> seen, and am
> slightly proud of it as an evidence of some
> knowledge how to get older.
>
> Kristin

That's what I mean.  "No one" could have expressed it
more perfectly.


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On Saturday, July 26, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> The condo will not be the issue. I have always kept mine inside.

Just make sure you can get it inside.

> But if I
> buy a house west of Seq Hills, I will not be able to ride it in mny
> neighborhood. That's the issue.

Why not?

Karen

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On Saturday, July 26, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> I am very glad I went, but also hope that somewhere someone is hefting a
> bottle of cheap whiskey in Alyce's name, to wash away the taste of
>  sanctity. Hm. Perhaps I'll see what's in my cupboard.

Thanks for the report. Tushar, when you get the DVD, you must pass it
around.

Karen

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On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> But if I
>> buy a house west of Seq Hills, I will not be able to ride it in mny
>> neighborhood. That's the issue.
>
>Why not?

No sidewalks, very narrow one-lane steets, speed limits of 40-45 mph and
drivers who drive much faster, especially on curves (especially on
hills) around which they cannot see.

Bethany

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I took a few pictures of family and friends. All at 1600 x 1200 resolution,
they're posted at

http://adamhartfield1937.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=37372.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>
> Thanks - now I am getting interested.
>

I endorse ATONEMENT.  But for reasons I can't remember I think ENDURING
LOVE (or something like that, same author) is for you.  More Christian
resonances maybe, something like that?  They're both dark.

Every one of his books has some horrible event at the core - I think, I
haven't read them all though I will.  Some horrible event that has to be
dealt with, that the reader has to come to terms with somehow.

I think.  I have a very bad memory for these things and should just shut
tf up.

Ann

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At 05:33 PM 7/26/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> >
> > Thanks - now I am getting interested.
> >
>
>I endorse ATONEMENT.  But for reasons I can't remember I think ENDURING
>LOVE (or something like that, same author) is for you.  More Christian
>resonances maybe, something like that?  They're both dark.
>
>Every one of his books has some horrible event at the core - I think, I
>haven't read them all though I will.  Some horrible event that has to be
>dealt with, that the reader has to come to terms with somehow.

It's coming back to me now. This is the first one of his books that I have
read.



>I think.  I have a very bad memory for these things and should just shut
>tf up.

I'll forget that I read it and may buy it again.

Betty

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At 08:25 PM 7/26/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>I took a few pictures of family and friends. All at 1600 x 1200 resolution,
>they're posted at
>
>http://adamhartfield1937.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=37372.

Thanks, Adam. I'm glad you were able to attend.

Betty

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On Saturday, July 26, 2003, Betty wrote:
> At 08:25 PM 7/26/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>>I took a few pictures of family and friends. All at 1600 x 1200 resolution,
>>they're posted at
>>
>>http://adamhartfield1937.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=37372.

> Thanks, Adam. I'm glad you were able to attend.

Ditto. I love you, man.

Karen

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On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

>I endorse ATONEMENT.  But for reasons I can't remember I think ENDURING
>LOVE (or something like that, same author) is for you.  More Christian
>resonances maybe, something like that?  They're both dark.

Thanks - they are now both on my list. I'll check to see if our library
has them or can get them. Our ILL service is excellent.

Bethany

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02003-07-25 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> read by different people
>
> http://classweb.gmu.edu/accent
>
> The same English paragraph is read by native speakers of other languages.

The page is sort of semi-stupid, in that I couldn't hear it from
home ... way to go with non-mp3 files ... Be that as it may--

What's with Uighur speaker 1 and Quechua speaker 1 ... hear them
one after the other. Spooky, huh? Or should I say spooooky ...

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> Need more information.  What was the wording of the
> error message?  How did
> you try to forward the link?
>
> Pete

The news item was already in my mail box and I use
Yahoo! as is evident.  I used the forward option of
Yahoo!, inserted Marie's address, then used "Send a
Link" option from FILE in Outlook, because that's what
the screen presented.  When I clicked on Send a Link,
the message appeared in the To:  address block (I
think). I have tried to duplicate this whole process
in order to reread the error message, but have not
been able to do so.

The message was an ! message and stated that Outlook
had blocked the attachment from Reuters because - and
I don't remember,  the exact words.  I connect the
word "tainted" with the message, but that was not it.

Now, if you can figure out what I did from this,
you're a good man, Charlie Brown.


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 I HAVE to
> live in Seq Hills.
>
> Bethany

Or a convent.  Wouldn't there be a substantial
variation in the quality of life?  No personal
shopper, no negotiations, no depositions, no Maria.  I
guess perhaps you could keep the bicycle, though.


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lisping cockatiel <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>:

> >I want my representatives to be professional politicians
>
>No comment, move along.

We don't need no steenkin' instructions on how to read your posts.

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Ann:

>I endorse ATONEMENT.  But for reasons I can't remember I think ENDURING
>LOVE (or something like that, same author) is for you.  More Christian
>resonances maybe, something like that?  They're both dark.
>
>Every one of his books has some horrible event at the core - I think, I
>haven't read them all though I will.  Some horrible event that has to be
>dealt with, that the reader has to come to terms with somehow.

Anybody here read AMSTERDAM? That started with a horrible event IIRR.

I enjoyed reading Rita's and your takes on Atonement. The book was
so structured, is that the word, I liked it though some of it was hard
to get thro'.

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> Spread me on toast and put onions on me

Honorable Mention - nonsequitur of the day AND most
unappetizing.


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Karen:

>But above all, Wordslers like explaining.

Not me.

>So I wouldn't hesitate to ask about words I don't understand.

I agree with this. Does Kristin know about Akio and Gleanings?

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>Yes, I read it.  What means IIRR?

If I remember right - soemthing like that.

>The obligatory stupid guess:  Eye-yaie! (reader response)

I want to see Ann Borkin saying this to someone IRL.

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Pete:

> >I remain a fan of gridlock.

>Yes -- I've come to really appreciate your wisdom here.

:-).

I just wanted this for handy Googling lookup.

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On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>Or a convent.  Wouldn't there be a substantial
>variation in the quality of life?  No personal
>shopper, no negotiations, no depositions, no Maria.  I
>guess perhaps you could keep the bicycle, though.

Hmmm. Maybe I can get on at the Abbey of Gethsemani. They have one female
hermit there. Of course she's RC. But let's face it - Episcopalians are
really just Roman Catholic Lite. I could certainly ride my bicycle there.
And there should be plenty ofc room for Maria. Those monks own 2000 acres.
In fact, in June, when I went to Merton's hermitage fgor the first time,
riders came through and I was told that local riders have permission to
ride through the Abbey grounds.

I wonder if Maria wants to be the mare of a hermit. She would have lots of
boys to play with. And she is celibate most of the time.

Somehow, I suspect that negotiations would continue, perhaps even
depositions. And I don't know why my Nordstrom personal-shopper-to-be
could not continue sending me mackages!

Bethany

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Not to spook Bethany (or Alec):

My last day at work is August 15, one year to the day that
I settled on my place. We-ird.

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02003-07-26 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > Spread me on toast and put onions on me
>
> Honorable Mention - nonsequitur of the day AND most
> unappetizing.

I don't think K-R-N agrees with either point, frankly, but
I apologize for worrying about your imagination.

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On Sun, 27 Jul 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> Anybody here read AMSTERDAM? That started with a horrible event IIRR.

Yes, I read it.  What means IIRR?

The obligatory stupid guess:  Eye-yaie! (reader response)

Ann

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On Saturday, July 26, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-07-26 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
>> > Spread me on toast and put onions on me
>>
>> Honorable Mention - nonsequitur of the day AND most
>> unappetizing.

> I don't think K-R-N agrees with either point, frankly, but
> I apologize for worrying about your imagination.

Indeed.

Karen

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Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>:

> > Spread me on toast and put onions on me
>
>Honorable Mention - nonsequitur of the day

Not familiar with chopped liver?

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> Yes, I read it.  What means IIRR?
>
> The obligatory stupid guess:  Eye-yaie! (reader
> response)
>
> Ann

If I remember right.


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From: "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
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I have a limited number of copies of the following item for sale for a
brief period:

Wolfram, Walt, and Donna Christian. 1976. _Appalachian Speech_.
Arlington, Virginia: Center for Applied Linguistics. $3.

Long out of print, this book, while not the last word on
Appalachian English, is one of the important studies.

As a bonus, for a very limited time, I will also provide you with a
photocopy of Kathy Jennings' essay, "White Like Me" published in the
_Appalachian Journal_ 25.2 (Winter 1998). If you have not read her
fascinating essay on what it is like to grow up as a female speaking
Appalachian English, you should plan to do so.

Checks are okay, as is cash. Send to

Bethany Dumas
Dep't of English
301 McClung Tower
The University of Tennessee
Knoxville, TN 37996-0430

All proceeds will go to the petty cash fund of the Linguistics program at
UT - UT does not fund it - it is used for such things as reimbursing
students for parking fees when they run errands, occasional modest
refreshments for students and faculty, etc. (I am donating the books &
photocopies.)

Bethany

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At 02:03 AM 7/27/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>Not to spook Bethany (or Alec):
>
>My last day at work is August 15, one year to the day that
>I settled on my place. We-ird.

Are you going to Belgium?

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> Somehow, I suspect that negotiations would continue,
> perhaps even
> depositions. And I don't know why my Nordstrom
> personal-shopper-to-be
> could not continue sending me mackages!
>
> Bethany

I see validity in all of your points.  Heck, redesign
their robes for them.


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On Sun, 27 Jul 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

>Not to spook Bethany (or Alec):
>
>My last day at work is August 15, one year to the day that
>I settled on my place. We-ird.

Your last day? You are retiring? Or got laid off or fired? ???

Let's see - my preapproval letter is good until Nov. 22. If I find
something by then, then that may mean that I will retire by November 22,
2004. That's a tad early  - should I delay my search?

Bethany

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--- Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>:
>
> > > Spread me on toast and put onions on me
> >
> >Honorable Mention - nonsequitur of the day
>
> Not familiar with chopped liver?

Not in its incarnation as a resident of Chicago, no.
>
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On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>I see validity in all of your points.  Heck, redesign
>their robes for them.

LOL! What would probably happen is that I would end up sewing and
mending. I would be a veritable Shirley Temple, after all these years! Let
me rethink this one more time ... but we could probably initiate an
electric teevee series -

By the way, have you seen the AOL commercial featuring monks?

Bethany

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> LOL! What would probably happen is that I would end
> up sewing and
> mending. I would be a veritable Shirley Temple,
> after all these years! Let
> me rethink this one more time ... but we could
> probably initiate an
> electric teevee series -
>
> By the way, have you seen the AOL commercial
> featuring monks?
>
> Bethany

No, but that's because we tape everything but the news
- the VCR ff's through commercials.  Actually, we
don't watch much.  It stays on all the time, but we
hardly ever watch it, except for tapes.


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On Sun, 27 Jul 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> My last day at work is August 15, one year to the day that
> I settled on my place. We-ird.

Rashmi!

How are you doing with this.

Ann

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On Saturday, July 26, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Jul 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>>
>> My last day at work is August 15, one year to the day that
>> I settled on my place. We-ird.

> Rashmi!

> How are you doing with this.

Is it worse knowing your last day, or would you just like to be walked
out?

Karen

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>
>
> Wussy is the polite form of pussy.  If I told you
> that
> backchanneling was for pussies (and it is), then
> you'd
> understand, projectile flirting or no.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>
>
Polite?  A polite word used for an impolite and
denigrating term.  Novel.


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I would love to know how it was decided which words to
use in the stupid accent link.  But the subject
(accented English)itself is endlessly fascinating.

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http://www.stainedapron.com/

Karen

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02003-07-26 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > Wussy is the polite form of pussy.  If I told you that
> > backchanneling was for pussies (and it is), then you'd
> > understand, projectile flirting or no.
>
>
> Polite?  A polite word used for an impolite and
> denigrating term.  Novel.

Novel? It's the commonest thing in the FINE language ...

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02003-07-26 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> http://www.stainedapron.com/

Thank you, K-R-N. BTW, could you un-BLEET the subject line a tiny
bit when you get the chance? Thanks. Anyhow, this one is hilarious:

http://www.stainedapron.com/signs.htm

It's the most frequent reason why some etiquette lists are funny.
You imagine people violating this kind of "etiquette" and that
cracks you up ...

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        <div align="center"> <font color="#ffcc33"><b><font size="+4">"Bar&ccedil;a"
Dance Grand Prix "Spain" 2004</font></b> <br>
        <b><font size="+3">which will be held in <big><big><big>Barcelona
(Spain)</big></big></big> from </font></b><br>
        <b><font size="+3"> 8th to 12th April 2004</font></b><br>
        </font>  <font color="#ffcc33"><b><font size="+3">during the Easter
Time 2004</font></b></font></div>
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        <center><font color="#000000"><b><font size="+4">Prague Festival
Dance Prize 2004</font></b> <br>
        <b><font size="+3">which will be held in Czech Rep. during the Easter
Time 2004</font></b></font></center>
        <b><font color="#ffffff"><font size="+4"> </font></font></b><font
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  <tr>
 <td bgcolor="#ffcc00">
        <center><b><font color="#3333ff"><font size="+4">Dance Grand Prix
"Italy" 2004</font></font></b> <br>
        <b><font color="#3333ff"><font size="+3">which will be held in Italy
from 18th to 23th June 2004</font></font></b></center>
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  <center>
  <p><b><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+4">AFTER the GREAT SUCCESS of
2003 WORLD DANCE AWARDS,</font></font></b></p>
  </center>

  <ul>

    <center> <li> <b><font size="+3">About 2800 dancers from all over the
World performed with our ORG. about 500 pieces in Competitionin 10 days of
Show.</font></b></li>
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    <center> <li> <b><font size="+3">About 42 hours of WorlDance and of 25,000
audiences and we are sure to make better in next Edition with Your GROUP!!!!</font></b></li>
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  <center><b><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+4">and NOW</font></font></b>
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  <b><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+4">PRESENTS:</font></font></b>
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  <b><font size="+3">Schools, Companies and Dance-Theatrical Educational Institutes.</font></b>
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  <b><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+4">Plan your FABULOUS</font></font></b>
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  <b><font color="#000000"><font size="+3">or</font></font></b> <br>
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&nbsp;
  <p><b><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+2">DANCERS, CHOREOGRAPHERS, DANCESTUDENTS,
DANCELOVERS:</font></font></b> <br>
  <b><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+2">PREPARE YOURSELF TO ENTER IN THE</font></font></b>
  <br>
  <b><i><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+4">D</font></font><font
 size="+3">ANCEFESTIVAL</font><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+4">S</font></font><font
 size="+3">EASON</font><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+4">2</font></font><font
 size="+3">00</font><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+4">4</font></font><font
 size="+3">,</font></i></b> <br>
  <b><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+2">THE MOST FAMOUS DANCE THEATRE in</font></font></b>
  <br>
  <b><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+2">BARCELONA</font></font></b><b><font
 color="#ff0000"><font size="+2">, PRAGUE, ITALY</font></font></b> </p>
  <p><img src="http://www.dancegrandprix.com/giuriabonci2SF.jpg"
 nosave="" height="340" width="502">
 <br>
  <b><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+2">The President of the International
Jury, Mrs Marina Romani from Italian National Dance Academy,&nbsp; Mrs Federica
Zani and the other members by&nbsp;<br>
the THEATER "ALLA SCALA" in Milan, presents:</font></font></b> </p>
  <p><b><i><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+4">"H</font></font><font
 size="+3">ALL OF </font><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+4">F</font></font><font
 size="+3">AME </font><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+4">A</font></font><font
 color="#000000"><font size="+3">WARD</font></font><font color="#ff0000"><font
 size="+4">S"</font></font></i><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+2">IN THE
  </font><i><font size="+4">W</font></i></font><font size="+2"><i><font
 color="#000000">ORLD</font></i><font color="#ff0000">:</font></font></b>
  </p>
  <p><b><font color="#ffcc00"><font size="+3">DANCE GRAND PRIX AWARD history:</font></font></b></p>
  </center>

  <p><b><font color="#3333ff"><font size="+2">1998 - "Centro Studio Danza
e Movimento"</font><font size="+3"> FLORENCE - ITALY</font></font></b> <br>
  <b><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+2">and "Cours de Danse Marie J. Karel
Ruska,</font><font size="+3"> VOINSLES, FRANCE</font></font></b> <br>
  <b><font color="#3333ff"><font size="+2">1999 - "Il Balletto" CastelFranco
Veneto </font><font size="+3">VENICE - ITALY</font></font></b> <br>
  <b><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+2">2000 - "Academy for Performing
Arts" </font><font size="+3">HONG KONG - CHINA</font></font></b> <br>
  <b><font color="#3333ff"><font size="+2">2001 - "Uai Qi Dan&ccedil;a" </font><font
 size="+3">FORTALEZA - BRAZIL</font></font></b> <br>
  <b><font size="+2"><font color="#3333ff">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </font><font
 color="#ff0000">- "Ballet Folklorico Mexicano" </font></font><font
 color="#ff0000"><font size="+3">CANCUN - MEXICO</font></font></b> <br>
  <b><font color="#3333ff"><font size="+2">2002 - "Elta Dance Company" </font><font
 size="+3">LIPSEKT - RUSSIA</font></font></b> <br>
  <b><font size="+2"><font color="#3333ff">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </font><font
 color="#ff0000">-&nbsp; "Skip Entertainment"</font></font><font
 color="#ff0000"><font size="+3"> GUAM - USA</font></font></b> <br>
&nbsp; </p>
  <p><b><font color="#000099"><font size="+3">in Prague Festival 2003 DANCE
GRAND PRIX AWARD to:</font></font></b> <br>
  <b><font color="#000099"><font size="+4">KASAI DANCING COMPANY - JAPAN</font></font></b>
  </p>
  <center>
  <p><img src="http://www.dancegrandprix.com/NipponstageSfumata.jpg"
 nosave="" height="394" width="767">
 <br>
  <b><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+4">and the WORLD CHAMPION IN 2003
EDITION....,</font></font></b><br>
  <b><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+4">the Winner of</font></font></b>
  <br>
  <b><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+4">DANCE GRAND PRIX "Italy" 2003</font></font></b><br>
  <b><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+4">is DANCE USA COMPANY</font></font></b>
  <br>
  <b><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+4">from LAS VEGAS - USA -</font></font></b>
  <br>
  <b><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+4">directed by Mr. MARK MARINO</font></font></b>
  <br>
  <img src="http://www.dancegrandprix.com/markmarinoaward2SF.jpg"
 nosave="" height="359" width="530">
 <br>
  <font color="#ff0000"><font size="+4">The AWARDING CEREMONY</font></font>
  <br>
  <font color="#ff0000"><font size="+4">in a Historical Italian Square,</font></font>
  <br>
  <font color="#ff0000"><font size="+4">in front of 4,000 people of audience,</font></font>
  <br>
  <b><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+4">with the Festival Directors</font></font></b>
  <br>
  <b><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+4">Giorgio Mordenti and Tiberio Meneghelli</font></font></b></p>
  </center>

  <p><br>

  <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" cols="2"
 width="100%">
 <tbody>
      <tr>
 <td>
        <blockquote><img
 src="http://www.dancegrandprix.com/gio008sf2.jpg" nosave=""
 height="235" width="335">

          <blockquote><b><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+1">Giorgio Mordenti
with the Great Cup</font></font></b>
            <center><b><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+1">"Dance Grand
Prix"&nbsp;</font></font></b></center>
 </blockquote>
 </blockquote>
 </td>
  <td>
        <div align="center">
        <blockquote>
          <center><img
 src="http://www.dancegrandprix.com/tibeaward-sf.jpg" nosave=""
 height="320" width="420">
          </center>
 </blockquote>
        </div>

        <blockquote>
          <center><b><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+1">Tiberio Meneghelli
Awards&nbsp;</font></font></b> <br>
          <b><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+1">"Ballet Talent Cup"&nbsp;</font></font></b></center>
 </blockquote>
 </td>
 </tr>

    </tbody>
  </table>
  </p>
  <center>
  <p><b><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+1">A meeting of dancers, dancelovers,
amateurs and audience&nbsp; from all the five continents</font></font></b>
  </p>
  <p><b><font size="+2">All the subject of Therpsichore Art will be in competition</font></b>
  </p>
  <p><b><font size="+2">All the languages in the dressing-rooms of our stages</font></b>
  <br>
  </p>
  <hr width="100%" size="2">
  <p><br>
 </p>
  </center>

  <p><br>
&nbsp;
  <table border="1" cols="2" width="100%">
 <tbody>
      <tr>
 <td bgcolor="#ffcc00">
        <center><b><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+3">DANCECONGRATULATIONS:</font></font></b>
        <p><b><font color="#3333ff"><font size="+2">during the&nbsp; PRAGUE
FESTIVAL 2003</font></font></b> <br>
        <b><font color="#3333ff"><font size="+2">THE SPECIAL AWARD CAREER</font></font></b>
        <br>
        <b><font color="#3333ff"><font size="+2">TO</font></font></b> <br>
        <b><font color="#3333ff"><font size="+2">one of the&nbsp; "DANCE
CONTEMPORARY US. STAR"</font></font></b> </p>
        <p><b><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+3">Mrs. MONIQUE MELTON</font></font></b>
        <br>
        <img src="http://www.dancegrandprix.com/mem.jpg" nosave=""
 height="330" width="255">
 <br>
        <b><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+3">STAR of the AMERICAN BALLET</font></font></b>
        <br>
        <b><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+3">&amp;</font></font></b> <br>
        <b><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+3">DIRECTOR of METROPOLITAN
BALLET COMPANY</font></font></b> </p>
        <p><b><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+3">this important Awards
for the first time was award abroad Europe Continent after the previous Awarded:</font></font></b>
        <br>
        <b><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+3">Mr. Vlasimil Harapes, Mr.
Jury Grigorovich, Mr. Jiry Kilyan and Ms. Nathalie Besmertova</font></font></b>
        <br>
        <b><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+4">and now a Star of the US.
dance world !</font></font></b></p>
        </center>
 </td>
  <td bgcolor="#3333ff">
        <center><b><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+3">DANCECONGRATULATIONS:</font></font></b>
        <p><b><font color="#ffffff"><font size="+2">during the DANCE GRAND&nbsp;</font></font></b>
        <br>
        <b><font color="#ffffff"><font size="+2">PRIX ITALY 2003</font></font></b>
        <br>
        <b><font color="#ffffff"><font size="+2">THE SPECIAL AWARD&nbsp;</font></font></b>
        <br>
        <b><font color="#ffffff"><font size="+2">"CRITICAL, MEDIA and AUDIENCE"</font></font></b>
        <br>
        <b><font color="#ffffff"><font size="+2">TO the&nbsp;</font></font></b>
        <br>
        <b><font color="#ffffff"><font size="+2">"MOST APPRECIATED DANCE
GROUP"</font></font></b> </p>
        <p><b><font color="#ff0000"><font size="+3">G&amp;G ESTUDIO de DANZAS
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Karen:
>On Saturday, July 26, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > On Sun, 27 Jul 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> >>
> >> My last day at work is August 15, one year to the day that
> >> I settled on my place. We-ird.
>
> > Rashmi!
>
> > How are you doing with this.

Not too bad. I still have a few leads out so on good days I'm
hopeful that something will turn up, just gotta keep looking.
Other days I, well, you don't want to know about them. :)

>Is it worse knowing your last day, or would you just like to be walked
>out?

I prefer it this way.  I'm completing transition work on
my projects. It took me a while to kick off my job
search but it's in full gear now and the way I see it I have
three good weeks of hunting ahead of me.

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Betty:

> >My last day at work is August 15, one year to the day that
> >I settled on my place. We-ird.
>
>Are you going to Belgium?

Looking unlikely.

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At 2:37 PM -0700 7/26/03, lisping cockatiel wrote:
>>I want my representatives to be professional politicians
>
>No comment, move along.
>
>I just wanted this for handy Googling lookup.

It's my quote and I said it back when Proposition 140 was on the ballot in
California (which, to spare you the googling, was in 1990).

Term limits are a damned stupid idea and it continues to astound me that
any number of otherwise sensible people do not see this as plainly as the
noses on their faces.

What do you suppose the state of dentistry would be like if dentists were
required by law to abandow their practices every two to six years, and set
up a whole new practice in another city if they wanted to continue in their
profession?  I'll tell you what it would be like: you'd have a lot of
experienced dentists saying "the hell with this" and finding some other
line of work, and so the field would be full of young dentists with
idealism and dedication and not a hell of a lot of experience performing
root canals.

I suppose one can make an argument for term limits for major offices like
President or Governor.  But term limits are by their very nature
pernicious, and they should be imposed only with deliberation and a healthy
amount of trepidation.

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>
> I am very glad I went, but also hope that somewhere someone is hefting
a
> bottle of cheap whiskey in Alyce's name, to wash away the taste of
>  sanctity. Hm. Perhaps I'll see what's in my cupboard.
>
> clo

Thank you, Clo, for the detailed report on the
day's events.  I understand your reaction to some
of the comments made in the service, etc.
The Wordslers don't need Alyce explained to us.
We understood her very well.

So glad you and Paul were there.

             - D. M.

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> > http://www.stainedapron.com/

I don't know why I spent so much time looking at this site--it
could be because more than half my present and past co-workers
came from the "restaurant industry"--at any rate, now I realize
that the I-messed-with-the-jerks-food-and-he-loved-it story is
just a well-worn myth and wishful thinking. Then again, I also
realize that "Maui Maui" is a frequent mispronunciation of Mahi
Mahi! Who knew?

Anyhow, although I understand the importance of looking at the
server while they tell you the specials, etc ... this is what
happened at one place. This server was very young and it was
probably her first month or something, but she was rattling
the specials off fine until I looked up, and then she slowed
down and completely stopped, then picked up after a pause at a
breakneck pace, turned around and came up the list of specials
in reverse order, repeated two of them, while peppering the whole
monologue with "Yes ... NO! Okay ... yes. OK, oh the specials!
Specials, specials, specials" etc. At the end I had absolutely
no clue what the damn "specials" were. It remains the most
astonishing performance I have ever seen, and it put me in a
zone where the word "special" began to sound weird. Maybe the
poor girl felt completely mortified, because someone else came
and took my order. What a psycho!

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At 04:57 AM 7/27/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>Betty:
>
>> >My last day at work is August 15, one year to the day that
>> >I settled on my place. We-ird.
>>
>>Are you going to Belgium?
>
>Looking unlikely.

Damn, that's too bad.  From our conversation during the Fest, I sensed that
you weren't totally sold on the Belgium notion, but it <was> a relatively
attractive alternative.  Hang in there.

cwv

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At 10:44 PM 7/26/2003 -0700, Bookrat wrote:

>Term limits are a damned stupid idea and it continues to astound me that
>any number of otherwise sensible people do not see this as plainly as the
>noses on their faces.

In general I agree with you.  Term limits were a response out of
frustration with some office-holders; although limits do perhaps limit the
damage that some idiot or extreme ideologue can cause, that's a high price
to pay for forcing the competent people to take a walk.  They make no sense
in terms of U.S. Representatives, who are under the gun every two
years.  In fact, maybe the best argument against limits is the case of the
House members:  it takes them a couple of years to learn the ropes, so two
terms (two years of learning, two years of campaigning for re-election)
probably set them up where they can be effective.

Having said this, I recall the nonsense about "Freedom Fries" and all that,
when I concluded that for some of those clowns, 30 seconds is too long a term.

>I suppose one can make an argument for term limits for major offices like
>President or Governor.

Probably.  With the major (and longer duration) offices, the power of the
entrenched incumbency can be formidable.

cwv

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Thanks for the report, Clo and the photos, Adam.

I couldn't think of anything to email as a tribute, so I
worked in the flower beds all day yesterday instead.

Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Paul and I returned approximately an hour ago, after attending the service
>  and then going to Alyce's house with Adam, Jeff, Doug, Tammy (wife), Berta
>  (A's sister), and a couple of "the girls" from town. The young females
>  went off to shop or so, and Doug and Jeff serially hosted while wishing us
>  otherwhere, I'm sure, since they had business to take care of. They were
>  very gracious, and Doug showed us videos, including Alyce and Ken touring
>  Victorian homes while shopping for the house in Germantown, and 8-ml
>  movies from the '60s, with commentary from Alyce overdubbed.
>
> It was fascinating to get glimpses of younger Alyce, at home in Chicago in
> the late '50's. Doug says he will transfer to DVD and make sure Tushar gets
>  a copy.
>
> As to the service, there is much to say. I think "stunned" sums up one
> impression of the choices made for remembrance of Alyce. The pastor
> 'llowed as how he met Alyce at times in the PO but never got to converse
>  with her, and opined it might have been his connection to organized
> religion that kept them apart. I personally think it was his fondness for
> Reader's Digest, to which he urged Doug and Jeff to send the story of their
> meeting with their mother.
>
> He also apologized for Alyce's political views, asking us to understand
> that her pacifism sprang from concern for others, rather than more nefarious
> motives. All who know me will understand that my own pacifism was sorely
> challenged, and I resolved to add a braided prayer for strength to bear
> fools more gladly.
>
> Jeff and Doug did well at the service, and read remembrances from several
>  Wordslers. I do have to note that Tammy reported that they had
>  recently purchased a microwave from Walmart for use in Alyce's house, a
>  fact we confirmed when we got there.
>
> It was a pleasure meeting Marie, and seeing Adam again. Paul and I got to
> sing harmony on several well-worn hymns; I kept hearing George Beverly
> Shea in my head.
>
> I am very glad I went, but also hope that somewhere someone is hefting a
> bottle of cheap whiskey in Alyce's name, to wash away the taste of
>  sanctity. Hm. Perhaps I'll see what's in my cupboard.
>
> clo
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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At 22:29 25.07.2003 +0300, you wrote:
>And, Richard,
>
> >> Those drunken drivers...!
>
> >Don't get me started.  The sober ones
>are dangerous enough.
>
>I do not want  "get you started", but having been thinking about this
>remark of yours, I guess at least here the drunk drivers are usually the
>most dangerous. Many accidents are caused by drivers with little
>experience -- but the very same drivers are drunk when driving, and
>exceed speed. I cannot remember a *serious* accident among news which
>would have been caused by a sober driver with little experience.

And for the really dangerous: drunk Scandinavians in rented cars in Cyprus
- which has inherited left hand driving from Brittain.

Espen

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> At 10:44 PM 7/26/2003 -0700, Bookrat wrote:
>
> >Term limits are a damned stupid idea and it continues to astound me
that
> >any number of otherwise sensible people do not see this as plainly as
the
> >noses on their faces.


csv:
> In general I agree with you.  Term limits were a response out of
> frustration with some office-holders; although limits do perhaps limit
the
> damage that some idiot or extreme ideologue can cause, that's a high
price
> to pay for forcing the competent people to take a walk.  They make no
sense
> in terms of U.S. Representatives, who are under the gun every two
> years.  In fact, maybe the best argument against limits is the case of
the
> House members:  it takes them a couple of years to learn the ropes, so
two
> terms (two years of learning, two years of campaigning for
re-election)
> probably set them up where they can be effective.

This has been my view for a long time.  I am glad
to hear there is someone who agrees with me.

               - D. M.

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At 14:59 25.07.2003 -0500, you wrote:
>02003-07-25 | Espen Ore <Espen.Ore@NB.NO> writes:
> > 19:44 24.07.2003 -0700 skrev Ann Borkin:
> > >On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, sandra wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hasn't anyone else noticed that the three nicest wordslers are men.
> > >
> > >Adam, Pete, and ?  Espen or Paul, I bet.
> > >
> > >God, this just makes me want to provoke them into public nastiness.
> > >Except, I am so nice, and I know them so little, that I don't know how.
> >
> > I am publicly nasty at times.
>
>"At times"? Espen's consistent unrelieved public nastiness is
>the main reason I will not resubscribe to this sorry service.

Bless you.

Espen

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On Sunday, July 27, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > http://www.stainedapron.com/

> I don't know why I spent so much time looking at this site--

Because you love me and are interested in websites I recommend.

> Anyhow, although I understand the importance of looking at the
> server while they tell you the specials, etc ... this is what
> happened at one place. This server was very young and it was
> probably her first month or something, but she was rattling
> the specials off fine until I looked up, and then she slowed
> down and completely stopped, then picked up after a pause at a
> breakneck pace, turned around and came up the list of specials
> in reverse order, repeated two of them, while peppering the whole
> monologue with "Yes ... NO! Okay ... yes. OK, oh the specials!
> Specials, specials, specials" etc. At the end I had absolutely
> no clue what the damn "specials" were. It remains the most
> astonishing performance I have ever seen, and it put me in a
> zone where the word "special" began to sound weird. Maybe the
> poor girl felt completely mortified, because someone else came
> and took my order. What a psycho!

You should post this special story to the website!

Karen

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02003-07-27 | "Espen S. Ore" <espen.ore@NB.NO> writes:
> At 14:59 25.07.2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >02003-07-25 | Espen Ore <Espen.Ore@NB.NO> writes:
> >> 19:44 24.07.2003 -0700 skrev Ann Borkin:
> >> >On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, sandra wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hasn't anyone else noticed that the three nicest wordslers are men.
> >> >
> >> >Adam, Pete, and ?  Espen or Paul, I bet.
> >> >
> >> >God, this just makes me want to provoke them into public nastiness.
> >> >Except, I am so nice, and I know them so little, that I don't know how.
> >>
> >> I am publicly nasty at times.
> >
> >"At times"? Espen's consistent unrelieved public nastiness is
> >the main reason I will not resubscribe to this sorry service.
>
> Bless you.

Right on cue, Espen! Some people will never learn ...

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Lynne Weber writes,

>The news item was already in my mail box and I use
>Yahoo! as is evident.  I used the forward option of
>Yahoo!, inserted Marie's address, then used "Send a
>Link" option from FILE in Outlook, because that's what
>the screen presented.

If you're using Yahoo!, I'm going to presume you mean Internet Explorer
instead of Outlook, and "File -> Send -> Link by E-Mail..." instead of
"Send a Link".  (IE would make Outlook pop up to complete the task, but
you're apparently starting the task and receiving the error message in IE.)

If that's the case, you're trying to forward Marie a view of your inbox,
and not the news item.  I don't have Outlook installed to verify it, but IE
is probably balking because there is some data it sent to Yahoo to cause
Yahoo to create the page that isn't part of the link.  (I could explain
that in more technical detail, but I'm not sure it would make more
sense.)  Therefore, sending the link to your inbox view does not compute
for IE.

The solution is to click the "Forward" button in your Yahoo mail
toolbar,  insert Marie's address, then click "Send" on the Yahoo mail
toolbar, just like you're sending a regular email from Yahoo.

Pete

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Reminds me of this "interesting" thread they had in a local
group about ways to keep a book propped open at a table. In
a restaurant, I mean. WHILE they are eating. The image was
revolting, of course, but more revolting was how a large
number of retards were really pleased with themselves--like
it was cool to read while dining or something.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> > >I am. My mother has a few of those Shirley Temple mugs. How can you
> not like
> > >Shirley Temple?

> In my opinion the movies she made as a teenager
> and an adult were not so good.  I think her best
> movies were the very early ones when she was
> only 3 - 6 years old.  She was just a natural and
> very talented.

My Mother would agree with you. She likes her very much in the earlier
movies. (Besides, Mom has always been fond of dark curls.) I heard
memories of Shirley Temple in movies from my early childhood on.  I could
see a film with her starring, though, only in nineties. Well, my Mother's
descriptions coincided much what she really was, but of course I was not
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Kristin

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Paul and I returned approximately an hour ago, after attending the service
>  and then going to Alyce's house

Thank you for the report, Clo.

Kr.

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Lynne Weber writes,
>
> >I am developing  theory that, when things begin to
> >stale on this list, some of you back-channel each
> >other to decide what the next combustible subject
> >might be.
>
> Honey chile, they been doin' this so long they knows what the other one's
> gonna say before they says it.
>
> Words-l is like a flock of birds, turning and wheeling in an artful display
> of phatic drivel.  Birds don't need radios to know where to go; wordslers
> don't need to back-channel to know where to combust.

:) This message should have a special reference, or be quoted, somewhere on
Words-L home page.

Kristin

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> I took a few pictures of family and friends.

Thanks, Adam. What picture is there as a background on all the photos?

Kristin

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On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 21:13:01 +0300, Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE>
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>Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
>> I took a few pictures of family and friends.
>
>Thanks, Adam. What picture is there as a background on all the photos?
>
>Kristin

The picture is one drawn by the pastor, for the children in the day care
center or Sunday School in the basement of the church. He was very proud
of his art work, and obviously delighted to be involved in projects with
the children.

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>  What picture is there as a background on all the photos?
> >
> >Kristin
>
> The picture is one drawn by the pastor, for the children in the day care
> center or Sunday School in the basement of the church. He was very proud
> of his art work, and obviously delighted to be involved in projects with
> the children.

Ah. I thought whether it might be something connected with Alyce.

Kristin

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clyde:

>Damn, that's too bad.  From our conversation during the Fest, I sensed that
>you weren't totally sold on the Belgium notion, but it <was> a relatively
>attractive alternative.  Hang in there.

They made me an offer I could not accept.

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K.C. "sunshine" Miller:
> What do you suppose the state of dentistry would be like

They'd still be practicing the 19th-century
"medicine" that they are today.

But that's another rant.  On this issue, we
agree.  It's "professional politician" that
I can't get past.  Semantics.

To me, that means a person incapable of doing
any productive labor, and ends up running for
this and that and the next thing.  The names
Alan Dixon and Mary Landrieu come to my mind;
I'm sure you have CA equivalents of what I'm
getting at.  These are the bought-and-paid-fors
that the lobbyists and <special interests> own.

Your "professional politician" is a person
who knows what s/he's doing.  Who's not for
that?

Leaving aside the endless argument about
how much de gubmint should do, we're on
the same page here.

> I suppose one can make an argument for term limits

Except for this.  If I want to re-elect the
same schmoe (sp?) into doddering coot-hood,
I should be able to.

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In a message dated 7/27/2003 11:55:05 AM Central Daylight Time, 
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<<
like
it was cool to read while dining or something.

>>

One of the things I miss about working at Sears was getting
lunch at either the food court or St. Louis Bread; I would 
often take a book with me to read while I was eating.

Evelyn Duncan
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In a message dated 7/27/2003 3:41:04 PM Central Daylight Time, 
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<<
They made me an offer I could not accept.

>>

Shame on them!  I'm sorry about your job.

Evelyn Duncan
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life:  music and cats."
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Some of the finer snapshots from our vacation, including one of
Lucia and Massimo

http://www.patnsteph.net/summer_03/

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Rashmi Murthy:
= clyde:
=
= >Damn, that's too bad.  From our conversation during the Fest, I sensed that
= >you weren't totally sold on the Belgium notion, but it <was> a relatively
= >attractive alternative.  Hang in there.
=
= They made me an offer I could not accept.
=

This gets me off the hook then of trying to tell an immigrant why
she should or should not want to do it again.

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steph:

>Some of the finer snapshots from our vacation, including one of
>Lucia and Massimo

>http://www.patnsteph.net/summer_03/

Has Myles been alerted that there are pictures of Lucia on the web?

I can't remember - is the living room the one on the 4th floor
that looks out on to the terrace? Nice pictures. House and
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At 08:40 PM 7/27/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

>They made me an offer I could not accept.

...Those bastards!...

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>Shame on them!  I'm sorry about your job.

Thanks, Evelyn.

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02003-07-25 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> read by different people
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> http://classweb.gmu.edu/accent
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> The same English paragraph is read by native speakers of other languages.

One more thing about this stupid paragraph--there is NO "ow" sound!
How could they not include one of the most discriminating vowels
ever! I mean, what you call 'em, diphthongs ...

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I did not look at the Crystal Lake house - I have decided that I really
want to live in Seq Hills. We have a tentative appt. tomorrow to look at a
large unit in Hamilton House. The price is a bit above my range, but the
listing is not new, so the price is probably negotiable. ("Negotiate,
negotiate!" Bethany!) If I understood my agent properly, it has about 3100
sq. feet. I love that! I love space! It's on an upper floor - I have no
negative feelings about that - there are [plural] elevators. Hamilton
House has lots of open parking and also has enclosed secure parking for
those those who feel a need for it.

This may be fun, after all. There are few listings in Seq Hills right now,
so my agent thinks I should not try to rush into anything. But interest
rates will slowly rise from here, I think, so I do not want to delay too
long.

Now where do I park the cash I plan to use for the down payment? The best
my credit union offers is less than 1% until I get above $25,000 - even
then, it's barely above 1%. (I know, I'll buy ebay .... heh heh heh! I did
and I am - but not with the down payment.)

Bethany

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Congratulations to Lance, USA, Texas, and Karen.

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On Sunday, July 27, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> Congratulations to Lance, USA, Texas, and Karen.

Thank you. I wish that Ullrich had not slipped. It makes Lance's
victory sort of pyrrhic.

Karen

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On 27 Jul 2003 at 18:16, Karen Kay wrote:

> I wish that Ullrich had not slipped. It makes Lance's
> victory sort of pyrrhic.

You must have some funny kine definition of pyrrhic.

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On Sunday, July 27, 2003, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
> On 27 Jul 2003 at 18:16, Karen Kay wrote:

>> I wish that Ullrich had not slipped. It makes Lance's
>> victory sort of pyrrhic.

> You must have some funny kine definition of pyrrhic.

Well, that's why I said sort of pyrrhic. Because the loss wasn't
Lance's, it was Ullrich's--but really, it was racing's loss, and they
are both bicycle racers.

Karen

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From: "Adam Hartfield" <adamh1@comcast.net>
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Subject: RE: Alyce's memorial service
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 20:02:18 -0400
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> Waiting for attendants' impressions.
>
> Kristin

I got there 15 minutes late since I turned the wrong way after exiting the
highway. *sigh*. The Germantown Reformed Church immediately screamed
"Protestant" to me as soon as I walked in because of the folk art felt
banners hanging as decoration.  I saw Marie, Paul, and Clo sitting together,
so I went and joined them. Here is the program:

Prelude
Call to Worship
Hymn - How Great Thou Art
Invocation /Lord's Prayer
Reading from the Old Testament Scriptures
Reading from the New Testament Scriptures
Hymn - Because He Lives (this is where I came in)
Jeffrey and Douglas - Alyce's sons
Hymn - Great Is Thy Faithfulness
Message: Pastor John Koppenaal
Prayer
Hymn - Blest Be The Tie That Binds
Benediction
Postlude

Carolyn and Paul were singing harmony during the hymns. I was gelous.

Pastor Koppenaal did the best he could, given that he didn't know Alyce at
all.

Both Natalie's and Doris' submissions were read aloud. They were very nice
tributes.

After the service, there was a very nice catered luncheon in the undercroft.
I met Doug, Tammy, and Berta. We four Wordslers talked and ate. Marie said
she had to leave to tend to things at home - so I went and got my camera,
the results of which you've already seen.

After that, Paul, Clo, and I left the church, and I led them to Alyce's
house. We walked around in the garden a bit - which is waaaaaay more lush
than it was in the spring when Marie and I were there - and after maybe 10
or 15 minutes, the boys showed up and we went inside. It was immediately
evident that they've been working hard on cleaning the house out - there
were actual empty horizontal surfaces. Eventually we got around to watching
the videos as Carolyn described.  It was nice to hear a healthy Alyce
narrating the home videos and to see her from the 60's and from the late
80's when she was house-shopping before she was sick.

We left at 3 p.m. and I got home at 5.

I'm glad I went, and sad that I don't have a reason to drive out that way
anymore.

--Adam
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From: "Adam Hartfield" <adamh1@comcast.net>
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> Where are the reports? I heard there were several WLM's.
>
> Karen

The best WLM was when the pastor said "Bless my heart" about something or
other. I thought Paul was going to burst a gasket from trying to keep the
laughter in. He was bent over in the pew convulsing.

--Adam
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Subject: Re:      Re: Huzzah, Lance!
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nah... L.A. took a dump.


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> On Sunday, July 27, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > Congratulations to Lance, USA, Texas, and Karen.
>
> Thank you. I wish that Ullrich had not slipped. It makes Lance's
> victory sort of pyrrhic.
>
> Karen

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On Sunday, July 27, 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> The best WLM was when the pastor said "Bless my heart" about something or
> other. I thought Paul was going to burst a gasket from trying to keep the
> laughter in. He was bent over in the pew convulsing.

LOL! Thanks for this, Adam. He gave me to believe that he was much
more self-controlled.

We both agreed that it was good I was not there, since I don't believe
in Holding It In.

Karen

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On Sunday, July 27, 2003, Alan Wild wrote:
> nah... L.A. took a dump.

Nah what?

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karen Kay" <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> To: <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
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>> On Sunday, July 27, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> > Congratulations to Lance, USA, Texas, and Karen.
>>
>> Thank you. I wish that Ullrich had not slipped. It makes Lance's
>> victory sort of pyrrhic.
>>
>> Karen



Karen

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On Sunday, July 27, 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> Both Natalie's and Doris' submissions were read aloud. They were very nice
> tributes.

Can these be posted to the list or the website?

Karen

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> My last day at work is August 15, one year to the day that
> I settled on my place. We-ird.

Have you made a decision about Belgium yet, Rashmi?

--Adam
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> Thanks, Adam. What picture is there as a background on all the photos?
>
> Kristin

You're welcome. The picture is some mural in the kids' playroom in the
basement of the church. I didn't really notice it.

--Adam
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Subject: Re:      Re: Alyce's memorial service
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 20:00:23 -0500
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> On Sunday, July 27, 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > Both Natalie's and Doris' submissions were read aloud. They were
very nice
> > tributes.
>
> Can these be posted to the list or the website?
>
> Karen

I thought of posting mine on Saturday but
did not.  I will post it now.  Please bear in
mind it was written off the top of my head
(and my heart) on the day she died.

                               - D. M.

___________________________________________

May 6, 2003

Alyce died today.  We had been expecting it, although it seemed
no more than two or three weeks since that she was given that
rather surprising prognosis.  Yet, looking back, it should not
have been surprising, as her words had told us she was wasting away.

It was through her words that I knew Alyce.  We shared words, we
minced words on Words-List, an online list for people with common
interests.  Alyce and I were two of the oldest ones on the list so we
had that in common, but we also found other common interests and
we sometimes visited in a friendly fashion backchannel, even though
we were disagreeing about politics on-list..  We came to feel, I think
. . both of us . . that balance is a key, and that the world wouldn't
work as well if we all thought the same.

She once sent me all her old Etude magazines, because she knew
I would enjoy them and she said they weren't selling.   I still have
them and I do enjoy them.

She would not like the thought of suddenly becoming saintly just
because she died, I don't think.  She was a clear thinker, a realist,
and she expected out of life about what she had put into it.

She put a lot into her life.  I think she got a lot out of it.
She certainly gave a lot to others.

I never met Alyce in person.  But I met her in soul.

And maybe I'll meet her again.


My condolences to the family.

       - Doris Markland in Nebraska

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memorial service


> > Thanks, Adam. What picture is there as a background on all the
photos?
> >
> > Kristin
>
> You're welcome. The picture is some mural in the kids' playroom in the
> basement of the church. I didn't really notice it.
>
> --Adam
> adamh1@comcast.net

Somehow I've missed the post with these
pictures and I can't find them.  Adam, could
you shoot it out to me again?

             - D. M.

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At 06:49 PM 7/27/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:

>Well, that's why I said sort of pyrrhic. Because the loss wasn't
>Lance's, it was Ullrich's--but really, it was racing's loss, and they
>are both bicycle racers.

Racing is an outdoor sport and both Armstrong and Ullrich had to contend
with many variables, including bad surface conditions, very hot weather,
crashes, spectators too close to the course, mechanical problems, physical
problems, etc.   Armstrong was able to overcome these, as was Ullrich, for
the most part.  Much will be made about Ullrich's spill in the time
trials---but what about much earlier, when Armstrong was disadvantaged by a
dragging brake (in addition to the early crash)?  Much of the emphasis will
be on the penultimate time trial but the fact is that the Tour is decided
upon the basis of some 19 stages---all of which are important.

Pyrrhic?  Not in the least, not even sort of.  What did Armstrong lose in
winning?  Zip. Zilch. Nada.

Now we can look to the next, when Armstrong will be not quite so confident
(even he suggested rather indirectly that he might have been a bit
complacent in this one); Hamilton (who may well be the heir apparent) will
have recovered from his cracked clavicle;  and Ullrich will know that what
he needs is to keep close enough over the climbs to challenge in the time
trials.

cwv

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On Sunday, July 27, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> Much will be made about Ullrich's spill in the time
> trials---but what about much earlier, when Armstrong was disadvantaged by a
> dragging brake (in addition to the early crash)?

This is the first I've heard of a dragging brake.

> Pyrrhic?  Not in the least, not even sort of.  What did Armstrong lose in
> winning?  Zip. Zilch. Nada.

He won't know if he could have beaten Ullrich if Ullrich hadn't
fallen.

> Hamilton (who may well be the heir apparent) will
> have recovered from his cracked clavicle;

This is the second time he's cracked his clavicle--I don't know if
it's in the same place or not.

But yes, I agree that next year will be interesting.

Karen

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On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 20:18:52 -0400, Adam Hartfield <adamh1@COMCAST.NET>
wrote:

>> Where are the reports? I heard there were several WLM's.
>>
>> Karen
>
>The best WLM was when the pastor said "Bless my heart" about something or
>other. I thought Paul was going to burst a gasket from trying to keep the
>laughter in. He was bent over in the pew convulsing.
>
>--Adam
>adamh1@comcast.net

We sort of glossed over the talks Jeff and Doug made, and that's too bad.
Jeff read an account of meeting his mother, and the things he had learned
about her life. It was well thought out and well told, very moving. That's
the piece that everyone wants an account of, (and the pastor suggested he
send in to Reader's Digest), and he says he will post it, maybe
along with Doris's and Natalie's emails, perhaps on Allybooks.com. I think
both "boys" have had the thought in mind that they might write the story.

Doug's was less rehearsed, but nonetheless interesting. He told that Jeff
called him while he was in school for theatre at Northwestern (where Alyce
went, also for theatre), and told him to look on a certain page in a yearbk
in the library, and he saw his brother's face staring at him above Alyce's
name.

He also read the wordsler notes, and talked about Alyce's activism.
It was when the pastor regained the mic after Doug that he said made the
publication recommendation and said, "Bless my soul".

Another w-l moment came when we were watching househunting and a mention
was made of screens. I can't remember the others; but one house was
 especially <noteworthy> - it was owned by a woman from... Denmark perhaps?
... an artist who had every surface (walls, ceilings, floors, bureaus)
covered with something startling. I will leave it to Adam to touch on the
bathroom.

Paul, Adam, has anyone tracked down the references to Henry Height (sp) yet?

clo

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> Now where do I park the cash I plan to use for the
> down payment? The best
> my credit union offers is less than 1% until I get
> above $25,000 - even
> then, it's barely above 1%. (I know, I'll buy ebay
> .... heh heh heh! I did
> and I am - but not with the down payment.)
>
> Bethany

What about cycling issues?

Parking the $ is a problem, as 2 weeks ago we were
only able to get 2 1/2% on a 30 month CD, and that was
after "negotiating".  Thirty months before that, we
got 6 1/4.  The times, they are a'changing.


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> Well, that's why I said sort of pyrrhic. Because the
> loss wasn't
> Lance's, it was Ullrich's--but really, it was
> racing's loss, and they
> are both bicycle racers.
>
> Karen

Savor the victories and don't let the losses beat you
up.  That's the only way I can follow sports with any
equanimity.


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Kay" <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> On Sunday, July 27, 2003, Alan Wild wrote:
> > nah... L.A. took a dump.
>
> Nah what?

nah... "pyrrhic" sounds histrionic.  Lance Armstrong hit a spectator,
dumped, got back up and continued on.  Since he and Ullrich both had
mishaps, the victory was quite fair and without great loss.



> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Karen Kay" <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> > To: <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> > Sent: Sunday, 27 July, 2003 7:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: Huzzah, Lance!
>
>
> >> On Sunday, July 27, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> >> > Congratulations to Lance, USA, Texas, and Karen.
> >>
> >> Thank you. I wish that Ullrich had not slipped. It makes Lance's
> >> victory sort of pyrrhic.
> >>
> >> Karen
>
>
>
> Karen

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> I'm glad I went, and sad that I don't have a reason
> to drive out that way
> anymore.
>
> --Adam
> adamh1@comcast.net

Very nicely done, thought-provoking.  You're sweet,
Adam.


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Your instructions are concise and gratefully received.
 Thanks also for sparing me the technical explanation.

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On Sun, 27 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>What about cycling issues?

No prob - I'll have 3100 sq. ft. in which to park it.

>Parking the $ is a problem, as 2 weeks ago we were

Right!

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7/26/2003, 7:42 AM, Alan Wild wrote:

AW> Yeah, 'been enjoying it, but have to fast fwd over the commercials... 'don't
AW> think you can merely select not to record them.

Well, yes, you have to ff over them, but that takes about five seconds
for the usual two or three mins of them.  No big deal.

AW>  Dan, man, tell me what you
AW> know that I'm missing?

Not that.

AW> I am waiting for features that will let you edit the content on disk so I
AW> can create a library of the live music from SaturdayNightLive.

You can do all that now if you hack the box.  There is tons of info
about it on various TiVo (not corporate, but fans) websites.  But I'm
not into hacking Linux boxes.  Assume you know it is just another
linux box.  Many had them networked before they ever came out with
TiVo2.

dan

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7/26/2003, 9:45 AM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

>>Yeah, 'been enjoying it, but have to fast fwd over the commercials... 'don't
>>think you can merely select not to record them.  Dan, man, tell me what you
>>know that I'm missing?

BKD> There were no commercials or other breaks during Seabiscuit. (TMC.)

    Right.  None on TMC, but there are on lots of other things.

dan

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Subject: Re:      Re: Huzzah, Lance!
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>
> Now we can look to the next, when Armstrong will be not quite so
confident
> (even he suggested rather indirectly that he might have been a bit
> complacent in this one); Hamilton (who may well be the heir apparent)
will
> have recovered from his cracked clavicle;  and Ullrich will know that
what
> he needs is to keep close enough over the climbs to challenge in the
time
> trials.
>
> cwv

My son is a biker and was set to do the full Iron Man
Triathalon when he had to leave last year for the
Middle East.  He has enjoyed every moment of the
race this week, as Lance is a real hero to him.
Unfortunately he leaves next week to go back into
that difficult situation over there.

               - D. M.

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From: "Adam Hartfield" <adamh1@comcast.net>
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> Somehow I've missed the post with these
> pictures and I can't find them.  Adam, could
> you shoot it out to me again?

http://adamhartfield1937.fotopic.net and click the entry for Alyce's
service.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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On Sun, 27 Jul 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> She would not like the thought of suddenly becoming saintly just
> because she died, I don't think.  She was a clear thinker, a realist,
> and she expected out of life about what she had put into it.
>
> She put a lot into her life.  I think she got a lot out of it.
> She certainly gave a lot to others.

This is so clear and fine, Doris.

Thanks

Ann

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On Sunday, July 27, 2003, Alan Wild wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karen Kay" <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>> On Sunday, July 27, 2003, Alan Wild wrote:
>> > nah... L.A. took a dump.
>>
>> Nah what?

> nah... "pyrrhic" sounds histrionic.  Lance Armstrong hit a spectator,
> dumped, got back up and continued on.  Since he and Ullrich both had
> mishaps, the victory was quite fair and without great loss.

Jeeze, Alan, are you drunk? The two accidents are hardly comparable.

Karen

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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 21:11:37 -0500
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On Sunday, July 27, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> Well, that's why I said sort of pyrrhic. Because the
>> loss wasn't
>> Lance's, it was Ullrich's--but really, it was
>> racing's loss, and they
>> are both bicycle racers.
>>
>> Karen

> Savor the victories and don't let the losses beat you
> up.  That's the only way I can follow sports with any
> equanimity.

I don't follow sports in general, and I'm not sure I even like Lance,
much less admire him. (He is inhuman in many, many ways, which help
him succeed in racing.) Anyway, the only person beat up by this loss
is Ullrich, whose body must be one giant bruised scab.

Karen

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> covered with something startling. I will leave it to Adam to touch on the
> bathroom.

UGH it was HIDEOUS. White and black checkerboard tile with a 1920's Parisian
flapper's profile painted on the sink countertop. It was painful to look at.

> Paul, Adam, has anyone tracked down the references to Henry
> Height (sp) yet?

No, but I haven't looked, and I'm about to go to bed. Maybe tomorrow.

--Adam
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> Very nicely done, thought-provoking.  You're sweet,
> Adam.

Thanks. I'm made with Splenda.

--Adam
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http://www.warprofiteers.com/index.html


Karen

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My brain must be fried.

What do you call the thing that you put packing tape in that has a
handle and a... tracks? A tape dispenser, I guess. But not tabletop,
handheld, and the tape is threaded.

Karen

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On Sunday, July 27, 2003, Alan Wild wrote:
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> From: "Karen Kay" <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>> http://www.warprofiteers.com/index.html
>>
>>
>> Karen

> wow...  some people just don't get it.  'A few questions: Who are they,
> who've put these into print?

If you can read, Alan, you can figure this out yourself.

>  Are they French, or common run-of-the-mill
> academic idiots?  Do they take their parents for granted as well?>  Prolly,
> since they've yet to recon with the idea of education.

LOL. I love the fact that you call them 'academics' and 'uneducated' at
the same time you can't even figure out who they are.

Karen

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On Sunday, July 27, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> Not long ago, I saw an interview with an athlete who
> is going to compete in the IMT.  These folks are a
> special breed, and I admire all of them.

Why?

Karen

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> My son is a biker and was set to do the full Iron
> Man
> Triathlon when he had to leave last year for the
> Middle East.  He has enjoyed every moment of the
> race this week, as Lance is a real hero to him.
> Unfortunately he leaves next week to go back into
> that difficult situation over there.
>
>                - D. M.

Not long ago, I saw an interview with an athlete who
is going to compete in the IMT.  These folks are a
special breed, and I admire all of them.  I was going
to inquire into the whereabouts of the lite kernel.  I
guess he'll be very busy for some time to come.

Your tribute to Alyce was lovely.


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Kay" <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> http://www.warprofiteers.com/index.html
>
>
> Karen

wow...  some people just don't get it.  'A few questions: Who are they,
who've put these into print?  Are they French, or common run-of-the-mill
academic idiots?  Do they take their parents for granted as well?  Prolly,
since they've yet to recon with the idea of education.

Good night...

'Alan

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Hartfield" <adamh1@COMCAST.NET>
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> > Somehow I've missed the post with these
> > pictures and I can't find them.  Adam, could
> > you shoot it out to me again?
>
> http://adamhartfield1937.fotopic.net and click the entry for Alyce's
> service.
>
> --Adam
> adamh1@comcast.net

Thank you, Adam.  Very nice.

        - D. M.

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:
> > Not long ago, I saw an interview with an athlete
> who
> > is going to compete in the IMT.  These folks are a
> > special breed, and I admire all of them.
>
> Why?
>
> Karen

First of all, my mailing tape dispenser days it is a
mailing tape dispense (hand held).

I admire them because they have tremendous self-
discipline, not only physically, but also mentally.
Self-discipline is one of the more difficult things in
life to accomplish, IMO.  I believe balance was
mentioned elsewhere tonight in another post.  These
athletes, IDEALLY, have balance.  I am aware that some
of them go way overboard, but I admire those who have
the gumption to get and maintain self-discipline and
balance in their lives.


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At 08:07 PM 7/27/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:

>He won't know if he could have beaten Ullrich if Ullrich hadn't
>fallen.

Nor will Ullrich know if <he> could have won absent the (short term)
spill.  Nontheless, none of this comes even remotely close to qualifying as
"pyrrhic."

cwv

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7/27/2003, 5:48 PM, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:

MEM> On 27 Jul 2003 at 18:16, Karen Kay wrote:

>> I wish that Ullrich had not slipped. It makes Lance's
>> victory sort of pyrrhic.

MEM> You must have some funny kine definition of pyrrhic.

     And, have you forgotten Lance getting nailed by the lameass
     asshole spectator?

dan

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7/26/2003, 5:33 PM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> A lot of condos are not set up for bicycles, and make keeping one
KK> really difficult.

     Not if you have a ground floor entrance and can bring it inside.
     Or an enclosed patio, etc.

dan

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>
>Paul, Adam, has anyone tracked down the references to Henry Height (sp) yet?
>
>clo


Carolyn,

The actor's name was spelled "Henry Hite." He was billed as "the tallest
man in the world" and claimed a height of 8'2" but was actually 7'6-3/4".
He appeared in the cult film "Monsters-A-Go-Go" in 1965, playing a mutated
astronaut who returned to earth.

Jeff

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On 27 Jul 2003 at 21:44, Dan Lester wrote:

>     And, have you forgotten Lance getting nailed by the lameass
>      asshole spectator?

How does this relate to the question of whether Armstrong's win could be
correctly described as a pyrrhic victory, which was the point I was raising?

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23:11 27.07.2003 +0200 skrev steph:
>Some of the finer snapshots from our vacation, including one of
>Lucia and Massimo
>
>http://www.patnsteph.net/summer_03/

And the one of Murphy was particularely good! Did yoy climb the tower in Pisa?

Espen

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----- Original Message -----
From: "lisa alfieri" <alfieri@comcast.net>
> I admire those at the top of their field for recognizing their talents and
> using them to their fullest potential.
>
> lisa

Yes, so much.  He's like a Wayne Gretzky or a Michael Jordan...  And next
year will be his real challenge.  If he can win six in a row, he'll have his
own magnificient record.

'Good luck to him...

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Karen wrote:

>On Monday, July 28, 2003, Mutant City wrote:
>> He and Ullrich would probably have ended up tied (or close to tied)
>> in that time-trial, leaving LA still far enough ahead overall to
>> make the last day fairly comfortable.

> Non sequitur alert. Lance being ahead in the time-trial meant he won.
> They don't challenge on the last day.

As I said in the subject header, HUH?  Where is the non-sequitur?  Yes,
Lance's winning that time-trial meant that he won.  But if Ullrich had
won the time-trial by a modest measure, which is the most he would have
won it by, sans spill, if won it at all, Lance would still be ahead in
the overall.  I'm not sure that the don't-challenge-on-the-last-day custom
would hold if the margin was tiny and the #2 had won the previous day's
time-trial.  So I'm not quite sure what your point is.  And I'm for sure
not sure where my non-sequitur is.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
     a bicyle racer and follower of LT before most of today's racers were born

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

>  Does Kristin know about Akio and Gleanings?

The latter, yes. I've even been encouraged in this service to ask
Gleanings questions, so that meebers can outdo each other in giving
their explanations, which I'm happy to read then, of course  I am also
happy to find sometimes that somebody else has asked a Gleanings
question before I could decide whether to ask or go on guessing.

Akio doesn't ring a bell. Perhaps I'll have a look later in Words-L
glossary. Is it there, I wonder?

Kristin

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 14:57:39 +0300
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steph wrote:

> Some of the finer snapshots from our vacation, including one of
> Lucia and Massimo
>
> http://www.patnsteph.net/summer_03/

Wonderful! Unfortunately your whotmv is still waiting for me to read, as
well as the whole thread. But I won't delete it without reading! And now
the beautiful and interesting "cartoon" of your v is there.

I wonder what might be the charm of narrow streets -- you have some
photographs there, I have shot streets like that, and even if not shot
then just looking down them reveals the existence of some spell of them
a big square or wide street never has. Is it because of being ancient,
or because "smaller is nicer", or is there some cosiness? At the same
time I need much air and distant views around me. Narrow streets and
views of the sea, and perhaps desert, if it lies on a plain, are almost
equally at the top of the list of my favourite views.

Kristin

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> I'm glad I went,

I'm sure of it after reading you report. Thanks.

> and sad that I don't have a reason to drive out that way
> anymore.

Yes.

Kristin

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On Sunday, July 27, 2003, Dan Lester wrote:
> 7/27/2003, 5:48 PM, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:

MEM>> On 27 Jul 2003 at 18:16, Karen Kay wrote:

>>> I wish that Ullrich had not slipped. It makes Lance's
>>> victory sort of pyrrhic.

MEM>> You must have some funny kine definition of pyrrhic.

>      And, have you forgotten Lance getting nailed by the lameass
>      asshole spectator?

No.

Karen

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It was a beautiful ride and a beautiful day for it.  Clo and I left Syracuse around 7 and had a nice 3 1/2 hrs to talk and listen to music and solve the problems of the world - and to talk about Alyce.  We arrived in Germantown in plenty of time and found the church easily by counting steeples (one if by Catholic and two if by Reformed).  It's a very interesting church - built in the 1880s or so.  It was a simple design but an ornamented simplicity that looked vaguely Scandinavian or even Russian to me.  Berta, Jeff, and Doug greeted us warmly and we chatted a bit about Alyce - they about how much words-l had meant to Alyce and we about how much Alyce meant to words-l.  It was a nice exchange.  
 
People began arriving for the service and we found seats near the front on (as clo commented) "the groom's side."  I was a little surprised by the order of service and how traditionally religious it was and I wondered what Alyce would think but I also realized that a memorial service is most appropriate when it meets the needs of the family.  Marie arrived and hugs were exchanged and, a few minutes into the service Adam appeared having lost a little time turning the wrong way on the Taconic.
 
Clo sang alto and, I sang tenor but Pastor John outsang everyone on the hymns - but then he did have the microphone.  I was reminded of so many scenes from my childhood (as was clo I expect).  I coudn't hear Marie's voice, but Adam has a veey nice voice. 
 
Jeff and Doug took their turns speaking movingly and directly about Alyce and how they had found her again after 25 years. Doug read messages from Doris and Natalie ( both beautifully written) and talked about Alyce and her community of friends from all over the world.
 
It was Pastor John's turn again. He commented on the remarks Jeff and Doug had made with a "bless my heart" ( I thought  - "Alyce's spirit is 
alive and well in these proceedings" as I tried my best not to laugh out loud- apparently not entirely succesfully) and continued by relating that Alyce didn't like him very much because of his "association with organized religion."  Out of the corner of my eye I caught Berta's head nodding in confirmation of P.J.'s opinion. He then went on to talk about all of the things Alyce loved and did his best to take the elements of Alyce's interests and activism and "bring it on home to Jesus."
 
After the service, all were invited for refreshments.  Now, when I hear "refreshments" I think "punch and cookies."  This was lunch - a beautifully arranged spread of cold cuts and salads, cake and some of the best strawberries I have ever tasted.  It was very nice and gave people the chance to tell Alyce stories and meet and greet each other in a relaxed setting.  Marie had to leave pretty quickly but we did manage to get in a picture before she took off.
 
Adam and Clo and I went back to Alyce's house for a brief tour and a peak at some amazing videos of her and her friends.  One was a tape of an 8mm film from the early 60s in Chicago, etc. comlete with the noise of the projector and and occasional pause to repair the film as Alyce gave a running commentary - "That's Henry.  Well, at least part of him."  We also saw the video of her first visit to her house - most interesting.
 
It was a fine day and I am so grateful to Jeff, and Doug, and Tammy, and Berta for the warm and easy acceptance of us as part of the family.
 
 
BrP    
 
     

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Natalie:
> http://www.maynor.net/Temp/louisiana.jpg

Thanks.  May I steal this for my own site?

You'll get pic credit, of course.

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Pete!  Are you behind this?

http://www.georgyforgov.com/

Here's a link to her official campaign thong underwear:

http://www.cafeshops.com/georgyforgov.6532512

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On Sunday, July 27, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> I admire them because they have tremendous self-
> discipline, not only physically, but also mentally.
> Self-discipline is one of the more difficult things in
> life to accomplish, IMO.

Okay.

> I believe balance was mentioned elsewhere tonight in another post.
> These athletes, IDEALLY, have balance. I am aware that some of them
> go way overboard, but I admire those who have the gumption to get
> and maintain self-discipline and balance in their lives.

Do you actually know any triathletes? Anyone who's going to be that
competitive is unbalanced by definition. The question is HOW
unbalanced--in what way, and to what degree.

Karen

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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> I just figured something out--I'm pretty sure "Ann Borkin" is going
> to pine for the happy uncomplicated David Sedaris days of the 2000s.
> That woman pines for ANYTHING ...

I pine for complexity!  My life is too fucking SIMPLE.

Ann

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> On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, lisping cockatiel wrote:
> > Rita:
> > >The very smarmy Bob Hope finally died last night.
> > Man, talk about the mot juste.
> > m-w.com tells me the word dates from 1924.  Perhaps
> > it was invented just for him.
>
> I'd like to back Doris up, here.  Jack Benny, Bob Hope:  it kind of
hurts
> my feelings to have them reviled.  Fred Allen!  Jimmy Durante!
>
> Ann


Here are a couple of his jokes used as examples in this morning's
story about his death:

"I bumped into Gerald Ford the other day. I said, `Pardon me.'
He said, `I don't do that anymore.'"

"I want to tell you, I was built like an athlete once -
big chest, hard stomach. Of course, that's all behind me now."

Pretty typical.  A quick chuckle and it's gone and you can
never remember it.  But this kind of humor got us through a
few hard times and a lot of wars, not only for the servicemen
overseas but for the folks at home.  We lay on the floor
listening to the radio and laughed our heads off.  My kids
lay on the floor watching him on TV and laughed their heads
off.  Even my grandkids know BH.  Maybe we enjoyed him
more than some people because humor has high priority in
our home, particularly spontaneous one-liners.

Say what you want, but BH was funny for some of us . .
and he could act and dance too . . and he didn't grab his
crotch to get attention and didn't need to go blue to get a
laugh.  (Altho I suspect he could hold his own at a
private party or a roasting)

                       - D. M.

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Espen Ore:
= 23:11 27.07.2003 +0200 skrev steph:
= >Some of the finer snapshots from our vacation, including one of
= >Lucia and Massimo
= >
= >http://www.patnsteph.net/summer_03/
=
= And the one of Murphy was particularely good! Did yoy climb the tower in Pisa?
=
= Espen

I'm glad you like the one of Murph.  I think it's the best one
I've taken of him.

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One of the" Fab 5" from Queer Eye is an SU alum.  There were folks here this morning who are writing an article about him for a certain popular (god knows why) periodical.
 
BrP
 
 
 
 
 
 

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At 10:15 AM 7/28/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>On Monday, July 28, 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
> > At 09:49 PM 7/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >>On Sunday, July 27, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> >> > Not long ago, I saw an interview with an athlete who
> >> > is going to compete in the IMT.  These folks are a
> >> > special breed, and I admire all of them.
> >>
> >>Why?
> >>
> >>Karen
>
> > I admire those at the top of their field for recognizing their talents and
> > using them to their fullest potential.
>
>Me, too. But I wouldn't say I admire every Ironman competitor, like
>Lynn did.

Ok, for fun, who would you admire? The winner only? The top
finishers?  Maybe only those who finished and not those who had to drop out?

lisa


>Karen

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On 28 Jul 2003 at 8:35, Dan Lester wrote:

> MEM> How does this relate to the question of whether Armstrong's win
> could be MEM> correctly described as a pyrrhic victory, which was the
> point I was raising?
>
>       It wasn't related to "pyrrhic", but to your ranting about poor
>       whatzis face falling down in the rain.  Aren't those riders
>       supposed to know how to ride in the rain?  Obviously Lance did.

My ranting? You need to check your chain of attributions.

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02003-07-28 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Monday, July 28, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Let me put it to you straight, "MEM". This thread is about
> > coming up with resounding truisms. Sorry you suck at it. But
> > don't let the failures bring you down, that's what life's
> > about. Keep breathing!
>
> I need you bad, EB! Ligniere is in the process of moving, and he's
> over here every few minutes saying "Wherever I decide to move will be
> the worst place. It will all turn out badly."
>
> Jeeze. I've used up all my happy truisms on him already.

I have two questions.

#1: Who the hell is EB?
#2: Who the hell is Ligniere?

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Bob Hope:
> "I bumped into Gerald Ford the other day. I said, `Pardon me.'
> He said, `I don't do that anymore.'"
>
> "I want to tell you, I was built like an athlete once -
> big chest, hard stomach. Of course, that's all behind me now."

"Did you hear the Statue of Liberty has AIDs?  She's
not sure whether she caught it from the mouth of the
Hudson River or the Staten Island...  ferry."


jeezus


Anyway, Mark Steyn has a nice piece on him
from a few months ago at:

http://www.steynonline.com/index2.cfm?edit_id=27

His view of Hope is a lot closer to yours than
mine (and his age is probably closer to mine
than yours), and you might like reading it.

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At 03:20 PM 7/28/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>The guy who fell and broke bones was Beloki.
>
>Karen

Ahh thank you. I did a quick scan this morning and it didn't jump out at me.

Prior to his crash he was supposed to be a threat to Lance along with
Ullrich. Oh well, dems the breaks (pun semi-intended).

lisa

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Thank you very much for the present which arrived today.  Appropriately, we
were sitting at the very site of the fest, in the Adirondack chairs under
the pine tree when the UPS man drove past the back of our house, tooted his
horn, and called out that he had something for us.  So I walked to the
front door and there he was, having made the circle, with your present.

The Marie McGhee's Bumble Bees candy is delish!  That's the only thing I've
opened so far.  There is also a sun dried tomato spread, down east
crackers, strawberry buds candy, pansy milk chocolates, lady bug cookies,
lemon tea cookies in a cardboard watering can, a spade and fork decoration,
and a neato ceramic coffee cup.  I detect a gardening theme here!   Plus a
very nice basket which will be used as a bread basket for the table.  Thank
you so much!

And, while I'm at it, thank you Clo, Karen, and Paul for the four bottles
of New York State wine.  I don't drink wine anymore but Clyde is enjoying
it quite a bit.  And thank you Natalie for the Spanish peanuts and the Edam
cheese.  The peanuts are all gone but we are still enjoying the cheese.

And thanks Rita for bringing the Sam Adams Summer Ale.  I think there are a
few bottles left down in the basement.  I don't drink beer either so Clyde
has been working his way through all the leftovers.  And thanks Adam for
the Bombay gin, the lime tonic water, and the mixed nuts.  The nuts are
long gone and we are working our way through the other two.

And thanks Rashmi for the tequila.  There's just a bit left.  I do drink
that!  And thank you, Wild family, for the peanuts and the Bombay
gin.  Having finished Natalie's peanuts, I have just begun on one of the
two bags that your brought.

And thanks again Rita Leonard for the toys which gave the kids, big and
little, something to do in the backyard during the fest.  The frisbee lives
on in the neighborhood, a gift gladly accepted by a family of three little
girls across the street.

And thank you all for coming to the fest.  Please feel free to come visit
again.  But not all at once next time!!!


bonnie

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Bonnie,

Since I didn't receive a response to my previous note, I guess I have to take this to the list... How much do I owe?

Many apologies.

Marie
  outed as a slacker

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> Thank you, Bookrat, for the check.  I got it today.  The only
> outstandingpayment I still need is from Marie.   If you are
> reading this Marie please
> send me an email.  I've tried to email you at the address you use
> to post
> to the list, but it bounces.
>
>
> bonnie
>

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> On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > BTW, let me mention that Thanks for the
> > Memories does not conjure memories of
> > Bob Hope.  It conjures memories of the
> > simple, safe, uncomplicated life we were
> > living back at the time he sang that once a
> > week for us.
>
> simple, safe, uncomplicated?
>
> during World War II?
>
> and the McCarthy era?
>
> Ann

Compared to today, yes.

His radio show ran 1938 to 1956.
Only 6 of those 18 years were war
years.  The McCarthy years were
weird but did not affect my daily life.
His TV show began in 1950, and
beside these regular shows he also did
specials for many years, and he
hosted the Oscars from 1960-1975.

                 - D. M.

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From: Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU>
> Jeff read an account of meeting his mother, and the things he had
> learnedabout her life. It was well thought out and well told, very
> moving. That's
> the piece that everyone wants an account of, (and the pastor
> suggested he
> send in to Reader's Digest), and he says he will post it, maybe
> along with Doris's and Natalie's emails, perhaps on Allybooks.com.

I recognized much of the verbiage from the account Jeff previously posted here. It was incredibly moving to hear him read it.

Marie

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>Thanks.  May I steal this for my own site?
>You'll get pic credit, of course.

Of course.  And I don't care about pic credit.  Wish that red car hadn't
been behind the sign.  It would've looked better with a better background.

Other odds 'n ends I noticed or thought about or whatever during my
quick romp through the archives (in search of descriptions of Alyce's
memoral service, which I had been alerted to):

I find it way weird that only Doris and I sent tributes.  I thought there
were be tons and tons of them.

I'm amused at how USAers actually talk about the Tour de France with at
least some amount of knowledge in today's world.  I think that's great.
The reason I'm amused is thinking back on the <old days> when those of
us who were into bicycle racing were a tiny group, thought to be a bit
weird no doubt.  I remember how excited some of us were when we were able
to order a short film from somewhere -- a film named "The Yellow Jersey."
It was about the Tour de France -- mainly about Eddy Merckx, our hero.
We watched it over and over and over.  (This was sometime in the very
early '70s.)

Why, btw, would anybody think Lance Armstrong's victory was pyrrhic?
What is he losing by it?

And re whether Armstrong would've won if Ullrich hadn't crashed:  Yes.
I have no doubt at all about that.  What was it that Ullrich lost in the
crash -- something like 7 seconds?  It was true, of course, that knowledge
of that crash and the drop in the threat level enabled LA to be even more
conservative on the slick curves coming into Nantes.  But he still would've
won it all.  He's an outstanding bike-handler in rain and would've made it
through the perils.  He and Ullrich would probably have ended up tied (or
close to tied) in that time-trial, leaving LA still far enough ahead overall
to make the last day fairly comfortable.

Re Bob Hope:  I'm of your generation, Doris.  I didn't have any trouble
catching the relationship between BH and "Thanks for the Memories."  My
first reaction was, "But I thought he had already died."  Then I remembered
that he had turned one hundred.  I got that mixed up with dying -- possibly
with the memory thrown in of that time when his death was announced and he
wasn't dead.

What else?  I should've taken notes.  But I didn't read every word --
just quickly romped.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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"It is a fact that he once made a tray
of spanakopita using Pam rather than
melted butter."
           - Me Talk Pretty One Day


Yeah, I know I am even later discovering
David Sedaris as I was Ann Coulter.  I just
learned to read last week, evidently.

Don't hate me for being beautiful.

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On Monday, July 28, 2003, lisping cockatiel wrote:
> Yeah, I know I am even later discovering
> David Sedaris as I was Ann Coulter.  I just
> learned to read last week, evidently.

LOL. Yes, it seems like it.

> Don't hate me for being beautiful.

Ah, if only!

Karen

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> I think it's unforgivably rude to misspell people's names in a

Look, I said it's because I am an idiot,
and if I offended anybody, it's up to the
offended party to call me on it.

||: relax

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02003-07-27 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@FLEX.COM> writes:
> On 27 Jul 2003 at 21:44, Dan Lester wrote:
>
> >     And, have you forgotten Lance getting nailed by the lameass
> >      asshole spectator?
>
> How does this relate to the question of whether Armstrong's win could be
> correctly described as a pyrrhic victory, which was the point I was raising?

Nobody is interested in your nerdy point. Go away.

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02003-07-28 | Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> writes:
> 7/27/2003, 10:10 PM, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
>
> >>     And, have you forgotten Lance getting nailed by the lameass
> >>      asshole spectator?
>
> MEM> How does this relate to the question of whether Armstrong's win could be
> MEM> correctly described as a pyrrhic victory, which was the point I was raising?
>
>       It wasn't related to "pyrrhic", but to your ranting about poor
>       whatzis face falling down in the rain.  Aren't those riders
>       supposed to know how to ride in the rain?  Obviously Lance did.
>
>       Of course the key point is that one can never second guess this
>       kind of shit, and trying to do so is an exercise in stupidity.

Let me put it to you straight, "MEM". This thread is about
coming up with resounding truisms. Sorry you suck at it. But
don't let the failures bring you down, that's what life's
about. Keep breathing!

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On Monday, July 28, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Let me put it to you straight, "MEM". This thread is about
> coming up with resounding truisms. Sorry you suck at it. But
> don't let the failures bring you down, that's what life's
> about. Keep breathing!

I need you bad, EB! Ligniere is in the process of moving, and he's
over here every few minutes saying "Wherever I decide to move will be
the worst place. It will all turn out badly."

Jeeze. I've used up all my happy truisms on him already.

Karen

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02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
> Man, that is one tremendous stick Karen's got up her ass tonight.

That's unforgivably rude.

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I hate "storytellers". I always did. As a child I remember listening
to some goddamn middle-aged harridan or the other tell some lameass
story and getting bored out of my mind. Of course I was surrounded
by dumb "enthralled" kids listening with their mouths gaping. "Isn't
she GREAT?", some adult was certain to say after the sorry ass show.
This is when I longed to say: "NO. She sucks! Story-telling is lame.
I don't know what you are talking about and I suspect you are a MORON."
Finally I told my mother and she made me really, really happy by
agreeing--she hated that nonsense too.

One of the worst parts of these storytelling disasters was the dreaded
Conspiratorial Whisper. I used to want to die when some stupid kid
character in the story whispered conspiratorially to another. God we
kids never did that. And you know how ridiculous a weighty matron looks
doing it? Yeesh.

PS: Much later, I understood that all this crap was being done by lamer
"bobo" types. No wonder it sucked! That was when I heard good stories
being told seriously by these older rural women, dialect and all. No
inept stagey nonsense, no assumption that kids are idiots. Finally
I realized what a ridiculous travesty I had been suffering through.

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02003-07-28 | Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> writes:
> 02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> > Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> > >
> > >>Man, that is one tremendous stick Karen's got up her ass tonight.
> > >>
> > >
> > >That's unforgivably rude.
> >
> >        I should certainly hope so.
>
> WELL? I am still waiting for the apology!

I really do want to know where your apology went.

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> What do you call the thing that you put packing tape in that has a
> handle and a... tracks? A tape dispenser, I guess. But not tabletop,
> handheld, and the tape is threaded.

A tape gun.

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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> YMOV. Let us drop this unsightly topic and return to talking about
> the unsafe, chaotic, shadowed-by-evil life we live now, as opposed
> to then. Which events have impinged on your life and how strongly?
> Discuss.

I really hated it when I realized I would have to work for a living and
that the world didn't owe me anything.

THAT SUCKED.

Ann

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Dan Lester:
=
= 7/28/2003, 9:22 AM, steph wrote:
=
= s> That and it was probably about 37 C that day with at least 85%
= s> humidity.  And three flights of stairs in one go is about my
= s> limit and I'd already been billy-goating it in San Gimignano and
= s> Volterra the two days before that.
=
= So, Steph, any last minute suggestions for Barcelona or Venice?  In
= Barcelona we're one night in some hotel on Las Ramblas.  In Venice
= we're two nights in a hotel on St. Mark's square.  Other stops are
= taken up with pre-arranged tours.
=
= dan

The Picasso museum is only ok, but it's something to do when it's
too hot.  Look at the temporary exhibit, where the crowds are
not.  Last time I was there I went to the modern art museum where
I caught an exhibition of a South African animator, and I really
liked that but it had nothing to do with Barcelona.  We skipped Park
Güell because it was too hot, but I really enjoyed it last time.
There's a square off Las Ramblas which has better food than on it
proper, but I don't have the name handy.  My trips have been
straight out of the tourist books so far, and it was all great.

Venice: take the water bus with the rest of the locals.

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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

>"'Beauty is truth, truth beauty,--that is all
>Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.'"

Everyone who believes that - raise your hand. Tushar will count the votes.

Bethany

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On Monday, July 28, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> I hate "storytellers".

This explains your antipathy towards Paul.

Karen

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On Monday, July 28, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> I really hated it when I realized I would have to work for a living and
> that the world didn't owe me anything.

I really hated it when I realized I would have to work for a living and
that the world didn't owe me anything AND that I couldn't get anyone
to hire me.

THAT SUCKED.

Karen

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On Monday, July 28, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-07-28 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Monday, July 28, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > I hate "storytellers".
>>
>> This explains your antipathy towards Paul.

> No, Paul pisses me off for a completely different reason.

No, he doesn't.

Karen

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> >
> But I could entertain to my heart's content. I would
> also have plenty of
> room for an exercise area. And piano. And guitars.
> And a dog. Etc.
>
> This will take a lot of thinking ...


>
> Bethany

The first thing I think of when I see an unusually
large living space is how much it would cost to heat
and cool it.


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02003-07-28 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Monday, July 28, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-07-28 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> On Monday, July 28, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> > I hate "storytellers".
> >>
> >> This explains your antipathy towards Paul.
>
> > No, Paul pisses me off for a completely different reason.
>
> No, he doesn't.

Please, I didn't even know he was a "storyteller".

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> I think the last six words in this post are smarmy.
>
> Discuss

We are all smarmy at times.  Who's the smarmiest?


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On Monday, July 28, 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> What do you call the thing that you put packing tape in that has a
>> handle and a... tracks? A tape dispenser, I guess. But not tabletop,
>> handheld, and the tape is threaded.

> A tape gun.

"tape dispenser" was understood. I've moved on.

One problem with having a house is that when your friends move out of
their houses, you tend to acquire their stuff...

Karen

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02003-07-28 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > I just figured something out--I'm pretty sure "Ann Borkin" is going
> > to pine for the happy uncomplicated David Sedaris days of the 2000s.
> > That woman pines for ANYTHING ...
>
> I pine for complexity!  My life is too fucking SIMPLE.

Take an Ancient Greek class.

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02003-07-28 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Monday, July 28, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > I hate "storytellers".
>
> This explains your antipathy towards Paul.

No, Paul pisses me off for a completely different reason.

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02003-07-28 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > YMOV. Let us drop this unsightly topic and return to talking about
> > the unsafe, chaotic, shadowed-by-evil life we live now, as opposed
> > to then. Which events have impinged on your life and how strongly?
> > Discuss.
>
> I really hated it when I realized I would have to work for a living and
> that the world didn't owe me anything.
>
> THAT SUCKED.

Well at least you are not creating war-profiteer web sites now!

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  We were
> > all invited to her wedding, and I couldn't believe
> that Alfred Butts was
> > so immature as to holler, "Hi, Miss Bell," when
> she came down the
> > aisle.  The rest of us were mortified at his
> <immaturity>.  I wonder
> > whatever happened to Miss Bell/Mrs. Barlow.
>
> Thank you for the update, Dr Maynor.

More interesting, perhaps, is what ever happened to
Alfred Butts?


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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Man, that is one tremendous stick Karen's got up her ass tonight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>That's unforgivably rude.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I should certainly hope so.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>WELL? I am still waiting for the apology!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Visualize world peace.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>As usual, you have excelled.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>   I apologize!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>I can't hate you for being beautiful.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>    Could you help me calm my mind?  I went to a clinic today,
>>>>and because it is summer, the usual smart psychiatrists weren't
>>>>there to help me figure out what I'm doing wrong.
>>>>
>>>Just rest your head on my shoulder baby!
>>>
>>       Ice Queen!
>>
>
> I know you are but what am I?
>

        Takes one to know one!




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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... for instance, anyone who says "elevated train lines are ugly". What
isn't, for these people? "Seedy" bars are ugly. "Mixed" neighborhoods
are ugly. A slight temporary presence of trash on the sidewalk is ugly.
Messages scratched on bus seats are ugly. Crowded platforms are ugly.
Barred windows are ugly. Non-representational art in an office lobby
is ugly. Exactly what do they see in the city, then? Inexplicable ...

(And what is beautiful? I don't know--but I think its a rectangular
white wooden house with a porch.)

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02003-07-28 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > I think the last six words in this post are smarmy.
> >
> > Discuss
>
> We are all smarmy at times.  Who's the smarmiest?

Espen.

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02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Man, that is one tremendous stick Karen's got up her ass
> >>>>>>>>>>>>tonight.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>That's unforgivably rude.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>I should certainly hope so.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>WELL? I am still waiting for the apology!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Visualize world peace.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>As usual, you have excelled.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  I apologize!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>I can't hate you for being beautiful.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>   Could you help me calm my mind?  I went to a clinic today,
> >>>>and because it is summer, the usual smart psychiatrists weren't
> >>>>there to help me figure out what I'm doing wrong.
> >>>>
> >>>Just rest your head on my shoulder baby!
> >>>
> >>      Ice Queen!
> >>
> >
> >I know you are but what am I?
> >
>
>        Takes one to know one!


I learned it from you!

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> ... for instance, anyone who says "elevated train lines are ugly". What
> isn't, for these people? "Seedy" bars are ugly. "Mixed" neighborhoods
> are ugly. A slight temporary presence of trash on the sidewalk is ugly.
> Messages scratched on bus seats are ugly. Crowded platforms are ugly.
> Barred windows are ugly. Non-representational art in an office lobby
> is ugly. Exactly what do they see in the city, then? Inexplicable ...
>
> (And what is beautiful? I don't know--but I think its a rectangular
> white wooden house with a porch.)


"'Beauty is truth, truth beauty,--that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.'"

--
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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>
>>>02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Man, that is one tremendous stick Karen's got up her ass
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>tonight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>That's unforgivably rude.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I should certainly hope so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>WELL? I am still waiting for the apology!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Visualize world peace.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>As usual, you have excelled.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I apologize!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I can't hate you for being beautiful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Could you help me calm my mind?  I went to a clinic today,
>>>>>>and because it is summer, the usual smart psychiatrists weren't
>>>>>>there to help me figure out what I'm doing wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Just rest your head on my shoulder baby!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>     Ice Queen!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I know you are but what am I?
>>>
>>>
>>       Takes one to know one!
>>
>
>
> I learned it from you!


        Liar, Liar, pants on fire!



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02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >... for instance, anyone who says "elevated train lines are ugly". What
> >isn't, for these people? "Seedy" bars are ugly. "Mixed" neighborhoods
> >are ugly. A slight temporary presence of trash on the sidewalk is ugly.
> >Messages scratched on bus seats are ugly. Crowded platforms are ugly.
> >Barred windows are ugly. Non-representational art in an office lobby
> >is ugly. Exactly what do they see in the city, then? Inexplicable ...
> >
> >(And what is beautiful? I don't know--but I think its a rectangular
> >white wooden house with a porch.)
>
>
> "'Beauty is truth, truth beauty,--that is all
> Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.'"

I can't hate you for being truthful.

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02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Man, that is one tremendous stick Karen's got up her ass
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>tonight.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>That's unforgivably rude.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>I should certainly hope so.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>WELL? I am still waiting for the apology!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Visualize world peace.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>As usual, you have excelled.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>I apologize!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I can't hate you for being beautiful.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Could you help me calm my mind?  I went to a clinic today,
> >>>>>>and because it is summer, the usual smart psychiatrists weren't
> >>>>>>there to help me figure out what I'm doing wrong.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>Just rest your head on my shoulder baby!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>    Ice Queen!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>I know you are but what am I?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>      Takes one to know one!
> >>
> >
> >
> >I learned it from you!
>
>
>        Liar, Liar, pants on fire!


Talk to the wrist cause the hand is pissed!

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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>The first thing I think of when I see an unusually
>large living space is how much it would cost to heat
>and cool it.

I don't. One of the many advantages of living here in the home of TVA is
the low cost of power. I have about 1800 sq ft here with very high
ceilings and my utility bill is never over about $75 - and that's in the
summer when it's 92-94 degrees out and the AC is running full blast. I
don't consider that expensive.

And of course, one can simply shut vents if one wants to with many rooms.

Bethany

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 No
> inept stagey nonsense, no assumption that kids are
> idiots. Finally
> I realized what a ridiculous travesty I had been
> suffering through.

This could well be the key to T-bone's misanthropic
view of life as we know it.


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Karen Kay wrote:

> >I
> > didn't think it'd ruin something thoroughly in the computer, but it was so boring >to
> > get stuck over and over again.

> I wonder if you have firewall issues or something.

I don't think there are. Not in the closest vicinity, so to say. (My, I know so little about
how the web connection works generally.)

Kristin

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Kay" <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> On Sunday, July 27, 2003, Alan Wild wrote:
> >> http://www.warprofiteers.com/index.html
> >>
> >> Karen
>
> > wow...  some people just don't get it.  'A few questions: Who are they,
> > who've put these into print?
>
> If you can read, Alan, you can figure this out yourself.
>
> >  Are they French, or common run-of-the-mill
> > academic idiots?  Do they take their parents for granted as well?>
Prolly,
> > since they've yet to recon with the idea of education.
>
> LOL. I love the fact that you call them 'academics' and 'uneducated' at
> the same time you can't even figure out who they are.
>
> Karen


ok, the ruckus society... Didn't really pay it much heed.  Didn't want to
anyway.

But in the Ruckus spirit, I'll pass it on to a conservative friend of mine,
as a gift from you, and... and watch the poor slob go through the normal
reaction as I had to anyone celebrating unqualified irreverence.

'Will pass on his reaction later...

;-)  'Alan

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Doris Markland wrote:

> May 6, 2003
>
> She put a lot into her life.  I think she got a lot out of it.
> She certainly gave a lot to others.
>
> I never met Alyce in person.  But I met her in soul.
>
> And maybe I'll meet her again.

Thank you for writing and sharing it.

Kristin

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I was in your general neighborhood Saturday morning.  I was strongly
considering heading on into NO and trying to find you to <do lunch>.  I
took this picture for you at a rest area somewhere in St. Tammany
Parish:

http://www.maynor.net/Temp/louisiana.jpg

That was after I had turned left on I-12 and headed on to Bay St. Louis:

http://www.maynor.net/Temp/bsl.jpg
http://www.maynor.net/Temp/bsl2.jpg
http://www.maynor.net/Temp/bsl3.jpg

Then I headed on up to Hattiesburg, where I spent Saturday night before
going over to Columbia Sunday to meet new-found 4th and 5th cousins.  No
Wordslers are likely to be interested in these Summer family pictures,
btw, except possibly the one of the church sign -- the church built for
$100.  It's an interesting little church that I'm glad I sought out.  I
have cousins buried there -- my father's cousins that I don't think he
even knew about.  He knew his grandmother well, but I'm not sure that he
knew anything at all about her mother, who died while the family was
still in South Carolina but whose brothers migrated with her widower to
Mississippi and spawned these Mississippi cousins I've recently
discovered.  The little church is interesting in that it still has the
back stairs and back door, which was the door the slaves used.  They
would go in that back door and then up some more stairs to the balcony,
which was their sitting area during the church's services:

http://www.maynor.net/Summer/

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> Some of the finer snapshots from our vacation, including one of
> Lucia and Massimo
>

A handsome couple!

           - D. M.

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Bye, Bob.  Whatta guy.

      - D. M.

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Republican legislators will be tempted to stall things like budget
> resolution to make Davis look bad.

    Wrong party, Pete.
===========================
Washington Post

July 23, 2003

California Democrats Overheard On Budget
GOP Cites Talk Of Milking Crisis

Unaware that a live microphone was broadcasting their words around the
Capitol, Assembly Democrats meeting behind
closed doors debated prolonging California's budget crisis for political
gain.

A microphone had been left on during the closed meeting Monday, and the
conversation was transmitted to about 500
"squawk boxes" that enable staff members, lobbyists and reporters to listen
in on legislative meetings.

Some members of the group, including Assemblywoman Jackie Goldberg, said if
the budget crisis were extended, it could
improve chances for a ballot initiative that would make it easier for the
Democrats to raise taxes. It would lower the threshold
for passage from two-thirds to 55 percent.

"No one is running" for reelection, she said, according to a transcript made
by Republicans. "And maybe you end up better off
than you would have, and maybe you don't. But what you do is show people that
you can't get to this without a 55 percent
vote."

Assembly Republican Leader Dave Cox said he is disappointed that Democrats
would consider using the budget crisis to their
political advantage.

Goldberg said her comments were part of a larger discussion about whether it
would be better to make deeper cuts this year to
give taxpayers a taste of how bad things would be without a tax increase.

"It meant whether or not we do the things this year or next year that let the
public understand how serious the situation is,"
Goldberg said.

Copyright 2003 The Washington Post

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On Monday, July 28, 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> Rashmi Murthy wrote:

>>  Does Kristin know about Akio and Gleanings?

> The latter, yes. I've even been encouraged in this service to ask
> Gleanings questions, so that meebers can outdo each other in giving
> their explanations, which I'm happy to read then, of course  I am also
> happy to find sometimes that somebody else has asked a Gleanings
> question before I could decide whether to ask or go on guessing.

> Akio doesn't ring a bell. Perhaps I'll have a look later in Words-L
> glossary. Is it there, I wonder?

Don't know, but he used to save up his Gleanings, and ask them
once/week.

Karen

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On Monday, July 28, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> Bye, Bob.  Whatta guy.

Bob who?

Karen

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At 09:32 AM 7/28/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>On Monday, July 28, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>>
>>>Bye, Bob.  Whatta guy.
>>
>>Bob who?
>
>
>The very smarmy Bob Hope finally died last night.

Not a fan, eh?

lisa





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lisa alfieri wrote:

> At 09:32 AM 7/28/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, July 28, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bye, Bob.  Whatta guy.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob who?
>>
>>
>>
>> The very smarmy Bob Hope finally died last night.
>
>
> Not a fan, eh?


        He's always creeped me out.




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----- Original Message -----
From: "lisa alfieri" <alfieri@COMCAST.NET>
>
> As for the word, 'pyrrhic', I had to look it up and based on the
> definitions I saw, I'm not sure how it fits the situation.
>
> lisa

ah...  Look up "pyrrhic victory."

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At 08:07 PM 7/27/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>:
> > > Not long ago, I saw an interview with an athlete
> > who
> > > is going to compete in the IMT.  These folks are a
> > > special breed, and I admire all of them.
> >
> > Why?
> >
> > Karen
>
>First of all, my mailing tape dispenser days it is a
>mailing tape dispense (hand held).
>
>I admire them because they have tremendous self-
>discipline, not only physically, but also mentally.
>Self-discipline is one of the more difficult things in
>life to accomplish, IMO.  I believe balance was
>mentioned elsewhere tonight in another post.  These
>athletes, IDEALLY, have balance.  I am aware that some
>of them go way overboard, but I admire those who have
>the gumption to get and maintain self-discipline and
>balance in their lives.

Balance. No, I don't think so. I think they're lives bend around racing and
are no where near balanced. FWIW, I don't see this is a bad thing if it's
what makes them happy and gives them a sense of fulfillment.

lisa

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On Monday, July 28, 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
> At 09:49 PM 7/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>On Sunday, July 27, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> > Not long ago, I saw an interview with an athlete who
>> > is going to compete in the IMT.  These folks are a
>> > special breed, and I admire all of them.
>>
>>Why?
>>
>>Karen

> I admire those at the top of their field for recognizing their talents and
> using them to their fullest potential.

Me, too. But I wouldn't say I admire every Ironman competitor, like
Lynn did.

Karen

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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, lisping cockatiel wrote:
> Rita:
> >The very smarmy Bob Hope finally died last night.
> Man, talk about the mot juste.
> m-w.com tells me the word dates from 1924.  Perhaps
> it was invented just for him.

I'd like to back Doris up, here.  Jack Benny, Bob Hope:  it kind of hurts
my feelings to have them reviled.  Fred Allen!  Jimmy Durante!

Ann

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lisa alfieri wrote:


> It's the Hancock that had the window problem. They called it the Plywood
> Palace for a while.


        Oh, right.  I always get the two names mixed up.  I meant the
Ice Cream Sandwich Building.


> The Pru, in Boston, is ugly and dated. The Boston skyline has been
> described similarly. In response, there's supposedly a law/rule that newly
> constructed buildings in Boston are not to have flat top roofs. I'm not
> sure how true it is but I can say that new building have been more shapely.

        The Pru isn't especially attractive.


        I don't see anything wrong with the Boston skyline.  The St.
Louis skyline is distinguished only by the Arch.  I did see
one new building with some sort of swirly thing going on for
the top -- I thought it tried too hard.  I do like art
deco-ish building that went up about 15 years ago, though.



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I probably shouldn't say at this point.  
BrP
 
 


>>> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM 07/28/03 12:30PM >>>
On Monday, July 28, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> One of the" Fab 5" from Queer Eye is an SU alum. There were folks
> here this morning who are writing an article about him for a certain
> popular (god knows why) periodical.

LOL. Gosh, maybe he'll give you his papers! Which one?

I liked the hair guy. The fashion guy is a weenie.

Karen

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Ann:
> I'd like to back Doris up, here.  Jack Benny, Bob Hope:  it kind of hurts
> my feelings to have them reviled.  Fred Allen!  Jimmy Durante!

Understood.  But the other guys you mention
are -- to me at least -- safely locked up
in history.

Maybe the 39-years-old thing, and the cheapness,
and "Rochester!" hold up (or at least don't seem
pathetic) because they weren't foisted on a <modern>
crowd.  You see Jack Benny doing that and you see
him doing it in his time, whowumsayn?

But Bob Hope just kept trotting out the same
sixty-year-old schtick.

And we will not, out of respect for the dead,
and my sensitive constitution, even *mention*
that whole Brooke Shields thing.

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At 10:31 28.07.2003 -0400, you wrote:
>At 09:25 PM 7/27/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Karen Kay" <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>> > On Sunday, July 27, 2003, Alan Wild wrote:
>> > > nah... L.A. took a dump.
>> >
>> > Nah what?
>>
>>nah... "pyrrhic" sounds histrionic.  Lance Armstrong hit a spectator,
>>dumped, got back up and continued on.  Since he and Ullrich both had
>>mishaps, the victory was quite fair and without great loss.
>
>Lance also had a near miss where he avoided hitting a downed rider and went
>off course, cutting a corner. It was ruled a legal move because it was his
>natural course in order to avoid hitting the other rider or avoiding the
>rider but still crashing.

This reminds me of the Canadian (?) who won gold in short track speed
skating last winter Olympics. That was amazing.

Espen

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At 08:12 PM 7/28/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>At 10:31 28.07.2003 -0400, you wrote:
>>At 09:25 PM 7/27/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Karen Kay" <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>>> > On Sunday, July 27, 2003, Alan Wild wrote:
>>> > > nah... L.A. took a dump.
>>> >
>>> > Nah what?
>>>
>>>nah... "pyrrhic" sounds histrionic.  Lance Armstrong hit a spectator,
>>>dumped, got back up and continued on.  Since he and Ullrich both had
>>>mishaps, the victory was quite fair and without great loss.
>>
>>Lance also had a near miss where he avoided hitting a downed rider and went
>>off course, cutting a corner. It was ruled a legal move because it was his
>>natural course in order to avoid hitting the other rider or avoiding the
>>rider but still crashing.
>
>This reminds me of the Canadian (?) who won gold in short track speed
>skating last winter Olympics. That was amazing.

Yep.. I remember that.

lisa


>Espen

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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, lisping cockatiel wrote:

> crowd.  You see Jack Benny doing that and you see
> him doing it in his time, whowumsayn?

Yes.  Actually that's Bob Hope, too, for me; I guess I tuned him out once
I hit junior high school.

I like this article, clears things up for me:
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml%3Fi=20030630&s=davis

Ann

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> > It was a pleasure meeting Marie, and seeing Adam again. Paul and
> I got to
> > sing harmony on several well-worn hymns; I kept hearing George
> Beverly> Shea in my head.

That was me.

Marie

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>
>
>>BTW, let me mention that Thanks for the
>>Memories does not conjure memories of
>>Bob Hope.  It conjures memories of the
>>simple, safe, uncomplicated life we were
>>living back at the time he sang that once a
>>week for us.
>>
>
> simple, safe, uncomplicated?
>
> during World War II?
>
> and the McCarthy era?


        I need whatever drugs Doris is taking.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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In a message dated 7/28/2003 10:51:59 AM Central Daylight Time, 
dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:
<<
Say what you want, but BH was funny for some of us . .
>>

Including me.  Bob Hope, Johnny Carson, Jack Paar ( I never watched
his program, but I've read and loved most of his books), Ernie Kovacks,
and Groucho Marx have been some of my most favorite comedians.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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Thanks, Karin.

> It's "Kristin".
>
> On Monday, July 28, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
> > Crimine -iny
>
> > A vulgar exclamation of astonishment: now somewhat archaic.
>
> >   1681 OTWAY Soldier's Fort. I. i, O crimine! Who's yonder? 1693
> SOUTHERNE Maid's last Prayer III. i, O crimine! I see I must be
> plain with thee. c1816 BYRON (L.), Crimini, jimini! Did you ever
> > hear such a nimminy pimminy Story as Leigh Hunt's Rimini? 1865
> E. C. CLAYTON Cruel Fortune II. 184 Criminy!Raymond tight. I am
> astonished.
> > Source: OED.
>
> Karen
>

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At 12:24 PM 7/28/2003 -0400, Paul Barfoot wrote:
>.  He had some good writers and sometimes he got off some good ad libs -
>or what appeared to be ad libs but in general  I don't much care for the
>style of humor whether from him or someone else.  I think it's a
>generational thing.

Partly, perhaps.  I'm fairly close to Doris's generation ( I do remember
the Hope radio shows---as well as those by Benny and Skelton).  The latter
two, to me, did more to develop a comedic character or characters, whereas
Hope simply discharged one-liners (and they probably weren't as spontaneous
as Doris thinks).  Hope was an icon and certainly was to be admired for his
efforts to entertain the troops; as a comedian, he didn't impress me all
that much---although I did enjoy his performance in Paleface (but not the
sequel).

cwv

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Lynne Weber writes,

>Your instructions are concise and gratefully received.

I'm glad I could help. :)

Pete

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On Monday, July 28, 2003, lisping cockatiel wrote:
>> It's "Kristin".

> jeez, Kharyn, I made the same mistake
> twice (because I am an idiot) and she
> let it go.

> Relax.

I think it's unforgivably rude to misspell people's names in a
environment where you have their name in front of you all the time.
YMOV.

Karen

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On Monday, July 28, 2003, lisping cockatiel wrote:
>> a couple of other triathletes. I know stories...

> I hope we can attribute all their successes to Pilates.

I hope so, too, but as far as I know, none of them do Pilates.

Karen

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... with the condo. It does indeed contain 3100 sq. ft. At HH, it is
described as a <penthouse>, which of course it is not. It turns out that
<penthouse> sometimes means top floor unit made by combining two units.
That's what this is.  It is lovely - a large marble-floor foyer, some huge
rooms, lots of light (floor-to-ceiling windows everywhere), 3.5 baths
(master includes Jacuzzi), 1.5 kitchens (cappuccino bar, anyone?), lots of
closets, storage areas, built-ins. All appliances.  Most floors are
carpeted, but the full kitchen floor is wood or a look-alike, I will have
to see it again and check many details if I decide to consider it
seriously. It's so big I got lost the first few times I walked through it.

The big downside is not the price - my agent thinks we can get it down
very close to my top price. it's the monthly fee - fees at HH are assessed
on the basis of square footage. So I would be paying close to twice what
someone pays for a 2-bedroom unit.

I like the views, but I also have to ask myself whether I would not be
happier on a first floor - many of those units have small porch/balcony
areas. And do I REALLY want 3100 sq. feet? Well yes - but do I want to pay
for them?

And there is parking. There is plenty of it - that's absolutely no
problem. But unless I pay an extra $35 per month to park in the parking
garage (under the buildings), I will have a bit of a walk, more than I
have here in the OC.

But I could entertain to my heart's content. I would also have plenty of
room for an exercise area. And piano. And guitars. And a dog. Etc.

This will take a lot of thinking ...

Bethany

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02003-07-28 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Monday, July 28, 2003, lisping cockatiel wrote:
> >> It's "Kristin".
>
> > jeez, Kharyn, I made the same mistake
> > twice (because I am an idiot) and she
> > let it go.
>
> > Relax.
>
> I think it's unforgivably rude to misspell people's names in a
> environment where you have their name in front of you all the time.
> YMOV.

It's "YMMV".

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On Monday, July 28, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>
>> Man, that is one tremendous stick Karen's got up her ass tonight.

> That's unforgivably rude.

Indeed.

Karen

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> 02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >        Actually, I remember my grandfather, who would be either 100
> > or 102 if he were still alive (no birth records exist),
> > didn't like him either.  Of course, he wasn't an American,
> > and I guess neither am I.
>
> I think the last six words in this post are smarmy.
>
> Discuss

I just turned mail back on -- and was going to quote (without
attribution) the reason, but I can't find it -- the quotation, I mean.
Surely I didn't delete it, but I must have.  I read it just before
unplugging the computer early Friday morning for departure on my latest
traveling.  Didn't reply to it because I was rushing but stored it in my
brain, which is good since I seem not to have stored it elsewhere.
Anyway, it was something that said something like "you don't want to
leave Words-L forever."

Anyway, I turned mail back on because I saw interesting topics in the
archives.  And onward to your question -- your command, that is.  I
agree with you that those last six words are smarmier than anything I
remember about Bob Hope as being, though I do not claim to be a BH
expert (or special fan -- I feel sad about his death because it's
another one of those deaths of people of people I grew up knowing about
-- iow, like Margaret, I'm grieving over goldengrove unleaving).  I
don't know about Rita's grandfather, but I would say that Rita herself
is more American than Bob Hope was, if we're talking about simple
matters like citizenship.  I guess BH became a U.S. citizen at some
point.  I don't really know.  But, unless I'm mistaken, Rita didn't have
to do anything to become a U.S. citizen except be born.

But I'm being a literalist here.  I guess Rita was speaking
metaphorically.  Still, though, there is something a bit smarmy about
it.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 20:10:52 -0500
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: Thanks for the Memories
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Natalie Maynor wrote:


> But I'm being a literalist here.  I guess Rita was speaking
> metaphorically.  Still, though, there is something a bit smarmy about
> it.


        Your opinion doesn't count.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Man, that is one tremendous stick Karen's got up her ass tonight.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>That's unforgivably rude.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>    I should certainly hope so.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>WELL? I am still waiting for the apology!
> >>>
> >>
> >>      Visualize world peace.
> >>
> >
> >As usual, you have excelled.
>
>
>        I apologize!

Apology accepted.

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02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >
> >>Tushar Samant wrote:
> >>
> >>>02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >>>
> >>>>Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>But I'm being a literalist here.  I guess Rita was speaking
> >>>>>metaphorically.  Still, though, there is something a bit smarmy about
> >>>>>it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>    Your opinion doesn't count.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>YMOV. Let us drop this unsightly topic and return to talking about
> >>>the unsafe, chaotic, shadowed-by-evil life we live now, as opposed
> >>>to then. Which events have impinged on your life and how strongly?
> >>>Discuss.
> >>>
> >>
> >>      When David Sedaris dies at age 102, I will pine for the
> >>simple, uncomplicated life I was living as I listened to him
> >>on NPR while preparing Sunday dinners.
> >>
> >
> >David Sedaris? Ewww, that conservative reactionary old fogey?
> >My Indian grandpa hates him and so do I!
>
>
>        That last sentence is possibly the swarthiest thing I've ever
> read on this service!

Shut up, give me a hug

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> BTW, let me mention that Thanks for the
> Memories does not conjure memories of
> Bob Hope.  It conjures memories of the
> simple, safe, uncomplicated life we were
> living back at the time he sang that once a
> week for us.
>
>                    - D. M.

The fact that the grandchildren of the service people
he entertained are still grateful - that fact speaks
volumes to me.  Forget the corny jokes, the hokey
delivery.  No other entertainer had his consistent
record of traveling to give the troops a break from
the horror or just plain relentless monotony.  For
that alone I am grateful to him.


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Lynne Weber wrote:

> > I'll try. Secretly first, when nobody can overhear,
>
> I am charmed by your posts.

You're welcome :) I make several kinds of mistakes now and then, and try
not to be ashamed. When the mistakes happen to be amusing, too, at least
others can have some fun.

> BTW, I won't look up "no one", because I spell it "no
> one" for aesthetic reasons.  "Noone" looks like
> "noon-ey" to me.  I just don't like it.

I hope that's a mistake I've never done. Just because it looks so
unnatural. But one never knows.

Kristin

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Here are some pictures I took when I picked up Spencer this morning:
http://www.maynor.net/furrbabies.html

(I never check mail sent to this address, btw.  Thought I should mention
that.  I don't usually send mail from this address either.  But here I am
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They fled again. Reportedly to New Mexico.

Karen

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On Monday, July 28, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> I have two questions.

> #1: Who the hell is EB?

You, My Elephant Boy!

> #2: Who the hell is Ligniere?

Good question.

Karen

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02003-07-28 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Monday, July 28, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-07-28 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> On Monday, July 28, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> > 02003-07-28 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> >> On Monday, July 28, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> >> > 02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Man, that is one tremendous stick Karen's got up her ass tonight.
> >> >>
> >> >> > That's unforgivably rude.
> >> >>
> >> >> Indeed.
> >> >
> >> > Really? I thought YMOV
> >>
> >> As usual, you were wrong.
> >
> > I have some grave misgivings about your imagination, Karen.
>
> Me, too. How do you suggest I handle them?

Like evil twins.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>>02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>
>>>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Man, that is one tremendous stick Karen's got up her ass tonight.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>That's unforgivably rude.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>     I should certainly hope so.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>WELL? I am still waiting for the apology!
>>>
>>
>>       Visualize world peace.
>>
>
> As usual, you have excelled.


        I agree!




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>
>>>>>>>>>Man, that is one tremendous stick Karen's got up her ass tonight.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That's unforgivably rude.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  I should certainly hope so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>WELL? I am still waiting for the apology!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>    Visualize world peace.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>As usual, you have excelled.
>>>>
>>>
>>>      I apologize!
>>>
>>
>>I can't hate you for being beautiful.
>>
>
>       Could you help me calm my mind?  I went to a clinic today,
>and because it is summer, the usual smart psychiatrists weren't
>there to help me figure out what I'm doing wrong.

Just rest your head on my shoulder baby!

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > But I'm being a literalist here.  I guess Rita was speaking
> > metaphorically.  Still, though, there is something a bit smarmy about
> > it.
>
>         Your opinion doesn't count.

I know.

--
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On Monday, July 28, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I will say that my worry about the situation of my country right now
> is more extreme than it has ever been before. There were probably
> earlier times that were as scary, but I was too young to understand.
> I ain't young now, and I do understand.

Someone in my meeting talked Sunday about the death of our democratic
experiment.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Monday, July 28, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>
>>Bye, Bob.  Whatta guy.
>>
>
> Bob who?


The very smarmy Bob Hope finally died last night.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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At 09:25 PM 7/27/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Karen Kay" <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> > On Sunday, July 27, 2003, Alan Wild wrote:
> > > nah... L.A. took a dump.
> >
> > Nah what?
>
>nah... "pyrrhic" sounds histrionic.  Lance Armstrong hit a spectator,
>dumped, got back up and continued on.  Since he and Ullrich both had
>mishaps, the victory was quite fair and without great loss.

Lance also had a near miss where he avoided hitting a downed rider and went
off course, cutting a corner. It was ruled a legal move because it was his
natural course in order to avoid hitting the other rider or avoiding the
rider but still crashing.

The other rider, who's name escapes me at the moment, was a strong
contender. I think he actually won a stage or two. Unfortunately he left
the race with broken bones and a lot less skin.

Even though this wasn't his most commanding performance, I'm happy for Lance.

As for the word, 'pyrrhic', I had to look it up and based on the
definitions I saw, I'm not sure how it fits the situation.

lisa

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7/27/2003, 10:10 PM, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:

>>     And, have you forgotten Lance getting nailed by the lameass
>>      asshole spectator?

MEM> How does this relate to the question of whether Armstrong's win could be
MEM> correctly described as a pyrrhic victory, which was the point I was raising?

      It wasn't related to "pyrrhic", but to your ranting about poor
      whatzis face falling down in the rain.  Aren't those riders
      supposed to know how to ride in the rain?  Obviously Lance did.

      Of course the key point is that one can never second guess this
      kind of shit, and trying to do so is an exercise in stupidity.
dan

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7/28/2003, 1:55 AM, Espen Ore wrote:

EO> 23:11 27.07.2003 +0200 skrev steph:
>>Some of the finer snapshots from our vacation, including one of
>>Lucia and Massimo
>>
>>http://www.patnsteph.net/summer_03/

EO> And the one of Murphy was particularely good! Did yoy climb the tower in Pisa?

     Her original report said they didn't spend the euros necessary to
     climb it.

dan

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> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > On Monday, July 28, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> >>Bye, Bob.  Whatta guy.
> >>
> >
> > Bob who?
>
>
> The very smarmy Bob Hope finally died last night.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman

We got one whale of a generation gap going here, when "thanks for the
memories" doesn't ring a bell and when someone uses smarmy as a
descriptive word for Bob Hope.

                  - D. M.

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On Monday, July 28, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>> Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> > On Monday, July 28, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>> >
>> >>Bye, Bob.  Whatta guy.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Bob who?
>>
>>
>> The very smarmy Bob Hope finally died last night.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman

> We got one whale of a generation gap going here, when "thanks for the
> memories" doesn't ring a bell and when someone uses smarmy as a
> descriptive word for Bob Hope.

"Thanks for the memories" rings many, many bells.

Karen

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lisping cockatiel writes,

>Pete!  Are you behind this?

Nope.  Don't even know her, which makes me think the valley is bigger than
I thought it was. :)

>Here's a link to her official campaign thong underwear:

This is where I blew it in my platform -- no official thong underwear!

Pete

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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

>We got one whale of a generation gap going here, when "thanks for the
>memories" doesn't ring a bell and when someone uses smarmy as a
>descriptive word for Bob Hope.

It's more than a generation gap, I think - I had no idea whom you were
talking about. It's been a loooong time since I heard "thanks for the m."

Bethany

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7/28/2003, 9:22 AM, steph wrote:

s> That and it was probably about 37 C that day with at least 85%
s> humidity.  And three flights of stairs in one go is about my
s> limit and I'd already been billy-goating it in San Gimignano and
s> Volterra the two days before that.

So, Steph, any last minute suggestions for Barcelona or Venice?  In
Barcelona we're one night in some hotel on Las Ramblas.  In Venice
we're two nights in a hotel on St. Mark's square.  Other stops are
taken up with pre-arranged tours.

dan

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Rita:
>The very smarmy Bob Hope finally died last night.

Man, talk about the mot juste.

m-w.com tells me the word dates from 1924.  Perhaps
it was invented just for him.

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At 09:49 PM 7/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>On Sunday, July 27, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > Not long ago, I saw an interview with an athlete who
> > is going to compete in the IMT.  These folks are a
> > special breed, and I admire all of them.
>
>Why?
>
>Karen

I admire those at the top of their field for recognizing their talents and
using them to their fullest potential.

lisa

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At 05:25 PM 7/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>lisping cockatiel wrote:
>
>>Tushar, on buildings:
>>
>>>Sears and Amoco and the John Hancock
>>
>>Agreed, except I'd change your order to 2, 1, 3.
>>
>><TIFR>
>>Oh, and by "Amoco", I assume you meant
>>the Standard Oil building.
>></TIFR>
>>
>>Tell me what you think about the Prudential
>>building (they didn't rip it down, did they?).
>
>
>        The one in the Back Bay looks like a giant ice cream
>sandwich, but at least the windows don't burst anymore.

It's the Hancock that had the window problem. They called it the Plywood
Palace for a while.

The Pru, in Boston, is ugly and dated. The Boston skyline has been
described similarly. In response, there's supposedly a law/rule that newly
constructed buildings in Boston are not to have flat top roofs. I'm not
sure how true it is but I can say that new building have been more shapely.

lisa

>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>

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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

>>We got one whale of a generation gap going here, when "thanks for the
>>memories" doesn't ring a bell and when someone uses smarmy as a
>>descriptive word for Bob Hope.
>
>It's more than a generation gap, I think - I had no idea whom you were
>talking about. It's been a loooong time since I heard "thanks for the m."

I've been thinking about this - and realize that one reason <Bob> didn't
ring any bells is that I pay little or no attention to message headers,
especially on this service, where they are usually unrelated to a current
topic. I read the header - but did not connect it to <Bob>.

Bethany

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Dan Lester:
= 7/28/2003, 1:55 AM, Espen Ore wrote:
=
= EO> 23:11 27.07.2003 +0200 skrev steph:
= >>Some of the finer snapshots from our vacation, including one of
= >>Lucia and Massimo
= >>
= >>http://www.patnsteph.net/summer_03/
=
= EO> And the one of Murphy was particularely good! Did yoy climb the tower in Pisa?
=
=      Her original report said they didn't spend the euros necessary to
=      climb it.
=
= dan

That and it was probably about 37 C that day with at least 85%
humidity.  And three flights of stairs in one go is about my
limit and I'd already been billy-goating it in San Gimignano and
Volterra the two days before that.

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Kristin Sarv:
= steph wrote:
=
= > Some of the finer snapshots from our vacation, including one of
= > Lucia and Massimo
= >
= > http://www.patnsteph.net/summer_03/
=
= Wonderful! Unfortunately your whotmv is still waiting for me to read, as
= well as the whole thread. But I won't delete it without reading! And now
= the beautiful and interesting "cartoon" of your v is there.
=
= I wonder what might be the charm of narrow streets -- you have some
= photographs there, I have shot streets like that, and even if not shot
= then just looking down them reveals the existence of some spell of them
= a big square or wide street never has. Is it because of being ancient,
= or because "smaller is nicer", or is there some cosiness? At the same

It's because it's dead easy to get a really good shot.  You get
nice angles which draw in the eye.  I especially like the arches
in the second shot of San Gimignano.  With Sagrada Familia I
really liked the juxtaposition of the cranes and the fact that
you could see through the cathedral.  There was way too much sun
and my automatic camera couldn't adjust for all that.  And I'm
not skilled enough to tweak it myself yet.  This time round we
did try setting the camera differently and writing down what we
did but I haven't compared the actions with the results yet.
While it might be easier to get a good shot, I'm not very very
pleased with any of these.  They're good snapshots, but I was
aiming for more.  The composition is ok, but the lighting is not.
Part was me and part was the time of day.

= time I need much air and distant views around me. Narrow streets and
= views of the sea, and perhaps desert, if it lies on a plain, are almost
= equally at the top of the list of my favourite views.
=
= Kristin

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Doris Markland wrote:

>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Monday, July 28, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Bye, Bob.  Whatta guy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Bob who?
>>>
>>
>>The very smarmy Bob Hope finally died last night.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>
>
> We got one whale of a generation gap going here, when "thanks for the
> memories" doesn't ring a bell and when someone uses smarmy as a
> descriptive word for Bob Hope.


        Actually, I remember my grandfather, who would be either 100
or 102 if he were still alive (no birth records exist),
didn't like him either.  Of course, he wasn't an American,
and I guess neither am I.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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lisping cockatiel wrote:

> Rita:
>
>>The very smarmy Bob Hope finally died last night.
>>
>
> Man, talk about the mot juste.
>
> m-w.com tells me the word dates from 1924.  Perhaps
> it was invented just for him.


        I think perhaps it was.




--
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Rashmi Murthy:
= steph:
=
= >Some of the finer snapshots from our vacation, including one of
= >Lucia and Massimo
=
= >http://www.patnsteph.net/summer_03/
=
= Has Myles been alerted that there are pictures of Lucia on the web?
=

Do you think he wants to see Massimo too :-)?  Has someone got his
email address for me?

= I can't remember - is the living room the one on the 4th floor
= that looks out on to the terrace? Nice pictures. House and
= garden look great.

That's the living room at the apartment.  We rented the
apartment!  It's only four months to start, but it is a start.

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I can appreciate Bob Hope for his place in 20th century cultural history.  I can see how important he was to a couple of generations of GIs. I'm glad he got to celebrate his 100th (or at least everyone else got to celebrate it - I'm not sure how aware he was of the event).  His death really is the end of an era.  I never thought he was all that funny though.  He had some good writers and sometimes he got off some good ad libs - or what appeared to be ad libs but in general  I don't much care for the style of humor whether from him or someone else.  I think it's a generational thing.  
 
 
BrP
 
 


>>> rouvalis@SWBELL.NET 07/28/03 11:51AM >>>
lisping cockatiel wrote:

> Rita:
>
>>The very smarmy Bob Hope finally died last night.
>>
>
> Man, talk about the mot juste.
>
> m-w.com tells me the word dates from 1924.  Perhaps
> it was invented just for him.


        I think perhaps it was.




--
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rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org 
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On Monday, July 28, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> One of the" Fab 5" from Queer Eye is an SU alum. There were folks
> here this morning who are writing an article about him for a certain
> popular (god knows why) periodical.

LOL. Gosh, maybe he'll give you his papers! Which one?

I liked the hair guy. The fashion guy is a weenie.

Karen

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At 10:46 AM 7/28/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "lisa alfieri" <alfieri@COMCAST.NET>
> >
> > As for the word, 'pyrrhic', I had to look it up and based on the
> > definitions I saw, I'm not sure how it fits the situation.
> >
> > lisa
>
>ah...  Look up "pyrrhic victory."


Ahh.. now I get it.

Thanks!

lisa

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At 10:47 AM 7/28/2003 -0500, you wrote:


>        Actually, I remember my grandfather, who would be either 100
>or 102 if he were still alive (no birth records exist),
>didn't like him either.  Of course, he wasn't an American,
>and I guess neither am I.

And neither was Bob Hope, he was born in England.

lisa




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>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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On Monday, July 28, 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
> At 10:15 AM 7/28/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>On Monday, July 28, 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
>> > At 09:49 PM 7/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>> >>On Sunday, July 27, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> >> > Not long ago, I saw an interview with an athlete who
>> >> > is going to compete in the IMT.  These folks are a
>> >> > special breed, and I admire all of them.
>> >>
>> >>Why?
>> >>
>> >>Karen
>>
>> > I admire those at the top of their field for recognizing their talents and
>> > using them to their fullest potential.
>>
>>Me, too. But I wouldn't say I admire every Ironman competitor, like
>>Lynn did.

> Ok, for fun, who would you admire? The winner only? The top
> finishers?  Maybe only those who finished and not those who had to drop out?

The people who have the best attitude and most balanced lives.

Karen

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Crimine -iny

A vulgar exclamation of astonishment: now somewhat archaic.

  1681 OTWAY Soldier's Fort. I. i, O crimine! Who's yonder? 1693 SOUTHERNE Maid's last Prayer III. i, O crimine! I see I must be plain with thee. c1816 BYRON (L.), Crimini, jimini! Did you ever hear such a nimminy pimminy Story as Leigh Hunt's Rimini? 1865 E. C. CLAYTON Cruel Fortune II. 184 Criminy!Raymond tight. I am astonished.

Source: OED.

Marie



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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
Date: Saturday, July 26, 2003 10:35 am
Subject: Re: Adam, how nice

> 02003-07-26 | Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM> writes:
> > >>Hasn't anyone else noticed that the three nicest wordslers are
> men.> >>
> > >>Sandra
> > >
> > >And conversely the three most annoying wordslers are women.
> > >
> > >lisa
> >
> > Criminy!  I demand a recount!
> >
> > Ken Miller
> > Jon Winokur School of Curmudgeonry
>
> Oh god, the "curmudgeons" are back ...
>
> Where's my Tylenol
>

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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Rashmi Murthy
>Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 10:04 PM
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>
>
>Not to spook Bethany (or Alec):
>
>My last day at work is August 15, one year to the day that
>I settled on my place. We-ird.
>

Damn! I am so sorry. I was thinking that you were going to find out in
August. Good luck with your search.



alec

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At 10:46 28.07.2003 -0400, you wrote:
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>From: "lisa alfieri" <alfieri@COMCAST.NET>
> >
> > As for the word, 'pyrrhic', I had to look it up and based on the
> > definitions I saw, I'm not sure how it fits the situation.
> >
> > lisa
>
>ah...  Look up "pyrrhic victory."

I believe Pyrrhos predated Hanibal when it came to using elephants against
the Romans.

Espen

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At 17:22 28.07.2003 +0200, you wrote:
>Dan Lester:
>= 7/28/2003, 1:55 AM, Espen Ore wrote:
>=
>= EO> 23:11 27.07.2003 +0200 skrev steph:
>= >>Some of the finer snapshots from our vacation, including one of
>= >>Lucia and Massimo
>= >>
>= >>http://www.patnsteph.net/summer_03/
>=
>= EO> And the one of Murphy was particularely good! Did yoy climb the
>tower in Pisa?
>=
>=      Her original report said they didn't spend the euros necessary to
>=      climb it.
>=
>= dan
>
>That and it was probably about 37 C that day with at least 85%
>humidity.  And three flights of stairs in one go is about my
>limit and I'd already been billy-goating it in San Gimignano and
>Volterra the two days before that.

I am sorry that i forgot from when I read your report. I remember when we
were there last year: usually I am the one with vertigo and Ingjerd is
fearless but here things were the other way round. That was possibly also
because the stairs are rather narrow so you can add in some claustrophoby
when you are climbing with a whole group (which you have to do) and it is
impossible to go down until everyone has come up.

Espen

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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of lisping cockatiel
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>
>
>Natalie:
>> http://www.maynor.net/Temp/louisiana.jpg
>
>Thanks.  May I steal this for my own site?
>
>You'll get pic credit, of course.
>

What is your site?

alec

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alec:
> What is your site?

Oh, it's nothing.  Really just the site
I use to post assignments and examples
for my classes.

I put a few other things up, like pics
from my Mardi Gras parade.

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The guy who fell and broke bones was Beloki.

Karen

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>
> http://www.steynonline.com/index2.cfm?edit_id=27
>
> His view of Hope is a lot closer to yours than
> mine (and his age is probably closer to mine
> than yours), and you might like reading it.


Thank you.  That does explain for me where
he lost you "kids."

BTW, let me mention that Thanks for the
Memories does not conjure memories of
Bob Hope.  It conjures memories of the
simple, safe, uncomplicated life we were
living back at the time he sang that once a
week for us.

                   - D. M.

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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

> BTW, let me mention that Thanks for the
> Memories does not conjure memories of
> Bob Hope.  It conjures memories of the
> simple, safe, uncomplicated life we were
> living back at the time he sang that once a
> week for us.

simple, safe, uncomplicated?

during World War II?

and the McCarthy era?

Ann

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I didn't have my digital camera with me on my trip -- something's wrong with the lens cover, it doesn't believe that it's open. So, I have actual prints. I've gotta get scanning...

Marie

----- Original Message -----
From: steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM>
Date: Sunday, July 27, 2003 5:11 pm
Subject: steph's summer snapshots

> Some of the finer snapshots from our vacation, including one of
> Lucia and Massimo
>
> http://www.patnsteph.net/summer_03/
>

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It's "Kristin".

On Monday, July 28, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
> Crimine -iny

> A vulgar exclamation of astonishment: now somewhat archaic.

>   1681 OTWAY Soldier's Fort. I. i, O crimine! Who's yonder? 1693 SOUTHERNE Maid's last Prayer III. i, O crimine! I see I must be plain with thee. c1816 BYRON (L.), Crimini, jimini! Did you ever
> hear such a nimminy pimminy Story as Leigh Hunt's Rimini? 1865 E. C. CLAYTON Cruel Fortune II. 184 Criminy!Raymond tight. I am astonished.

> Source: OED.

Karen

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We seem to be having mail problems.  Sorry.  You owe $17.21, $15 for the
shirt and $2.21 for the mailing.  Make out to Bonnie Voigtlander and send
to 15 Forest Street, Bar Harbor, ME  04609    Thanks.

888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888


Bonnie,


Since I didn't receive a response to my previous note, I guess I have to
take this to the list... How much do I owe?


Many apologies.


Marie
   outed as a slacker



bonnie

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> Do you actually know any triathletes? Anyone who's
> going to be that
> competitive is unbalanced by definition. The
> question is HOW
> unbalanced--in what way, and to what degree.
>
> Karen

No.


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> It's "Kristin".

jeez, Kharyn, I made the same mistake
twice (because I am an idiot) and she
let it go.

Relax.

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At 04:42 PM 7/28/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
simple, safe, uncomplicated?

>>during World War II?
>>
>>and the McCarthy era?
>
>
>        I need whatever drugs Doris is taking.

She took the blue pill.

cwv

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Doris:
> BTW, let me mention that Thanks for the
> Memories does not conjure memories of
> Bob Hope.

I read a <supposed> Hope joke today:

He sat down to eat with the GIs, and
though the cook promised to make him
whatever he wanted, he insisted on
having what they were eating.

And, of course, after dinner, he said:

"Thanks for the MREs."

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On Monday, July 28, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
> Thanks, Karin.

You're welcome, Mary.

Karen

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 17:30:02 -0500
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On Monday, July 28, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> Do you actually know any triathletes? Anyone who's
>> going to be that
>> competitive is unbalanced by definition. The
>> question is HOW
>> unbalanced--in what way, and to what degree.
>>
>> Karen

> No.

One of my friends is a triathlete, and I know two of her coaches, plus
a couple of other triathletes. I know stories...

Karen

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> a couple of other triathletes. I know stories...

I hope we can attribute all their successes to Pilates.

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On Monday, July 28, 2003, Mutant City wrote:
> He and Ullrich would probably have ended up tied (or close to tied)
> in that time-trial, leaving LA still far enough ahead overall to
> make the last day fairly comfortable.

Non sequitur alert. Lance being ahead in the time-trial meant he won.
They don't challenge on the last day.

Karen

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On Monday, July 28, 2003, lisping cockatiel wrote:
>> I think it's unforgivably rude to misspell people's names in a

> Look, I said it's because I am an idiot,
> and if I offended anybody, it's up to the
> offended party to call me on it.

I did. What's your problem?

Karen

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> > offended party to call me on it.
> I did. What's your problem?

_You_ were the offended party when I
mipslet Kristin's name?

<looks at watch>
Hell! I'm 45 minutes past happy hour,
maybe if I start drinking I'll figure
this out.

Seeya after a few belts.

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02003-07-27 | Alan Wild <awild@URI.EDU> writes:
> > http://www.warprofiteers.com/index.html
>
> wow...  some people just don't get it.  'A few questions: Who are they,
> who've put these into print?  Are they French, or common run-of-the-mill
> academic idiots?  Do they take their parents for granted as well?  Prolly,
> since they've yet to recon with the idea of education.
>
> Good night...
>
> 'Alan

Thanks for a concise summary of every pro-war argument we have heard.
It was gratefully received.

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>From : joy Sankoh

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On Monday, July 28, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-07-28 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Monday, July 28, 2003, lisping cockatiel wrote:
>> >> It's "Kristin".
>>
>> > jeez, Kharyn, I made the same mistake
>> > twice (because I am an idiot) and she
>> > let it go.
>>
>> > Relax.
>>
>> I think it's unforgivably rude to misspell people's names in a
>> environment where you have their name in front of you all the time.
>> YMOV.

> It's "YMMV".

Not in this case.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Monday, July 28, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
>>02003-07-28 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>>
>>>On Monday, July 28, 2003, lisping cockatiel wrote:
>>>
>>>>>It's "Kristin".
>>>>>
>>>>jeez, Kharyn, I made the same mistake
>>>>twice (because I am an idiot) and she
>>>>let it go.
>>>>
>>>>Relax.
>>>>
>>>I think it's unforgivably rude to misspell people's names in a
>>>environment where you have their name in front of you all the time.
>>>YMOV.
>>>
>
>>It's "YMMV".
>>
>
> Not in this case.


        Man, that is one tremendous stick Karen's got up her ass tonight.




--
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On Monday, July 28, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-07-28 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Monday, July 28, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > 02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>> >>
>> >> Man, that is one tremendous stick Karen's got up her ass tonight.
>>
>> > That's unforgivably rude.
>>
>> Indeed.

> Really? I thought YMOV

As usual, you were wrong.

Karen

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02003-07-28 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Monday, July 28, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-07-28 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> On Monday, July 28, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> > 02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >> >>
> >> >> Man, that is one tremendous stick Karen's got up her ass tonight.
> >>
> >> > That's unforgivably rude.
> >>
> >> Indeed.
> >
> > Really? I thought YMOV
>
> As usual, you were wrong.

I have some grave misgivings about your imagination, Karen.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Man, that is one tremendous stick Karen's got up her ass tonight.
>>
>
> That's unforgivably rude.

        I should certainly hope so.




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02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >
> >>Man, that is one tremendous stick Karen's got up her ass tonight.
> >>
> >
> >That's unforgivably rude.
>
>        I should certainly hope so.

WELL? I am still waiting for the apology!

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02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >>Tushar Samant wrote:
> >>>02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
> >>>>Man, that is one tremendous stick Karen's got up her ass tonight.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>That's unforgivably rude.
> >>>
> >>      I should certainly hope so.
> >>
> >
> >WELL? I am still waiting for the apology!
>
>
>        Visualize world peace.

As usual, you have excelled at missing the point. Send over
baklava in apology.

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02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >But I'm being a literalist here.  I guess Rita was speaking
> >metaphorically.  Still, though, there is something a bit smarmy about
> >it.
>
>        Your opinion doesn't count.

YMOV. Let us drop this unsightly topic and return to talking about
the unsafe, chaotic, shadowed-by-evil life we live now, as opposed
to then. Which events have impinged on your life and how strongly?
Discuss.

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02003-07-28 | "Espen S. Ore" <espen.ore@NB.NO> writes:
> At 10:46 28.07.2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "lisa alfieri" <alfieri@COMCAST.NET>
> >>
> >> As for the word, 'pyrrhic', I had to look it up and based on the
> >> definitions I saw, I'm not sure how it fits the situation.
> >>
> >> lisa
> >
> >ah...  Look up "pyrrhic victory."
>
> I believe Pyrrhos predated Hanibal when it came to using elephants against
> the Romans.

I don't think this was an elephant race.

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02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >>Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>But I'm being a literalist here.  I guess Rita was speaking
> >>>metaphorically.  Still, though, there is something a bit smarmy about
> >>>it.
> >>>
> >>      Your opinion doesn't count.
> >>
> >
> >YMOV. Let us drop this unsightly topic and return to talking about
> >the unsafe, chaotic, shadowed-by-evil life we live now, as opposed
> >to then. Which events have impinged on your life and how strongly?
> >Discuss.
>
>
>        When David Sedaris dies at age 102, I will pine for the
> simple, uncomplicated life I was living as I listened to him
> on NPR while preparing Sunday dinners.

David Sedaris? Ewww, that conservative reactionary old fogey?
My Indian grandpa hates him and so do I!

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>
>>
>>>But I'm being a literalist here.  I guess Rita was speaking
>>>metaphorically.  Still, though, there is something a bit smarmy about
>>>it.
>>>
>>       Your opinion doesn't count.
>>
>
> YMOV. Let us drop this unsightly topic and return to talking about
> the unsafe, chaotic, shadowed-by-evil life we live now, as opposed
> to then. Which events have impinged on your life and how strongly?
> Discuss.


        When David Sedaris dies at age 102, I will pine for the
simple, uncomplicated life I was living as I listened to him
on NPR while preparing Sunday dinners.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>>>>>>>Man, that is one tremendous stick Karen's got up her ass tonight.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That's unforgivably rude.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>   I should certainly hope so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>WELL? I am still waiting for the apology!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>     Visualize world peace.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>As usual, you have excelled.
>>>
>>
>>       I apologize!
>>
>
> I can't hate you for being beautiful.
>

        Could you help me buy a lightbulb?  I went to Walmart today,
and because it is summer, the usual smart students weren't
there to help me choose which type would be best.




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02003-07-28 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Monday, July 28, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
> > Thanks, Karin.
>
> You're welcome, Mary.

It's unforgivably rude to change the pronunciation of someone's name.
Changing the spelling is forgiveable, like a punch in the face.

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I just figured something out--I'm pretty sure "Ann Borkin" is going
to pine for the happy uncomplicated David Sedaris days of the 2000s.
That woman pines for ANYTHING ...

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>>02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Man, that is one tremendous stick Karen's got up her ass tonight.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That's unforgivably rude.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I should certainly hope so.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>WELL? I am still waiting for the apology!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Visualize world peace.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>As usual, you have excelled.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>     I apologize!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I can't hate you for being beautiful.
>>>
>>>
>>      Could you help me calm my mind?  I went to a clinic today,
>>and because it is summer, the usual smart psychiatrists weren't
>>there to help me figure out what I'm doing wrong.
>>
>
> Just rest your head on my shoulder baby!


        Ice Queen!




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lisping cockatiel wrote:

> "It is a fact that he once made a tray
> of spanakopita using Pam rather than
> melted butter."
>            - Me Talk Pretty One Day
>
>
> Yeah, I know I am even later discovering
> David Sedaris as I was Ann Coulter.  I just
> learned to read last week, evidently.


        I've read The Santaland Diaries, which had me in tears, but
none of his other books.  I should have included one in my
last Amazon order.  I don't know what the context is of that
spanakopita line, but it's gotta be good.


> Don't hate me for being beautiful.
>


        Miss Manners has something against your gorgeous self, but
not me, baby.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 20:38:40 -0500
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>>02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>
>>>>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>But I'm being a literalist here.  I guess Rita was speaking
>>>>>metaphorically.  Still, though, there is something a bit smarmy about
>>>>>it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>     Your opinion doesn't count.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>YMOV. Let us drop this unsightly topic and return to talking about
>>>the unsafe, chaotic, shadowed-by-evil life we live now, as opposed
>>>to then. Which events have impinged on your life and how strongly?
>>>Discuss.
>>>
>>
>>       When David Sedaris dies at age 102, I will pine for the
>>simple, uncomplicated life I was living as I listened to him
>>on NPR while preparing Sunday dinners.
>>
>
> David Sedaris? Ewww, that conservative reactionary old fogey?
> My Indian grandpa hates him and so do I!


        That last sentence is possibly the swarthiest thing I've ever
read on this service!



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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>
> YMOV. Let us drop this unsightly topic and return to talking about
> the unsafe, chaotic, shadowed-by-evil life we live now, as opposed
> to then. Which events have impinged on your life and how strongly?
> Discuss.

The next generation came along . . and then the next.
There was a good one here and there, but by and large
the race cannot be said to be approaching perfection
as yet.  And then there were the imports of better people
from other countries who would take the jobs of those poor
lamers we raised.  Oh, but I fear I have said too much.

Never mind.

                        - D. M.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> I think it's LAME that you leave. FYI

Well, I've gotta leave again later this week to do more
toyota-echo-setting (that's sort of like jet-setting) -- in the
Carolinas.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >>>>>>>>>>Man, that is one tremendous stick Karen's got up her ass tonight.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>That's unforgivably rude.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>I should certainly hope so.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>WELL? I am still waiting for the apology!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  Visualize world peace.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>As usual, you have excelled.
> >>>>>
> >>>>    I apologize!
> >>>>
> >>>I can't hate you for being beautiful.
> >>>
> >>     Could you help me calm my mind?  I went to a clinic today,
> >>and because it is summer, the usual smart psychiatrists weren't
> >>there to help me figure out what I'm doing wrong.
> >
> >Just rest your head on my shoulder baby!
>
>        Ice Queen!

I know you are but what am I?

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02003-07-28 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Somehow this reminds me of the time in second grade when the teacher
> (the one who told us that soldiers in the Korean War, which was
> currently happening, had their ears cut off if they said they were
> Christian) asked us one day when apparently she happened upon some
> unscheduled time whether we would like to spend that time having her
> read to us from the Bible, our usual morning activity, or from whatever
> <fun> book we were into, which was our just-after-lunch activity.  She
> took a vote, and of course it was unanimous for the Bible.  Who would
> raise a hand in a vote for the Hardy Boys or whatever against the
> Bible??  My confession is that I think I also raised my hand for the
> Bible, while thinking about how much I'd rather hear the Hardy Boys (or
> whatever it was).  Ah, the allegories.  I've been reading a book called
> _Agony at Galloway_, Galloway being my childhood church -- re the
> complicated situations in the '50s and early '60s -- not unlike Sarty's
> choices in Faulkner's "Barn Burning" (that connection being mine, not
> the book's -- it's one I thought of thirty or more years ago).
>
> But I seem to have drifted pretty far from the question of that
> second-grade vote.  There are shadows, though.  Interesting ones.
>
> But moving on back to more usual topics, Miss Bell became Mrs. Barlow
> around xmas of that year.  She was our second-grade teacher.  We were
> all invited to her wedding, and I couldn't believe that Alfred Butts was
> so immature as to holler, "Hi, Miss Bell," when she came down the
> aisle.  The rest of us were mortified at his <immaturity>.  I wonder
> whatever happened to Miss Bell/Mrs. Barlow.

Thank you for the update, Dr Maynor.

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>
> Partly, perhaps.  I'm fairly close to Doris's generation ( I do
remember
> the Hope radio shows---as well as those by Benny and Skelton).  The
latter
> two, to me, did more to develop a comedic character or characters,
whereas
> Hope simply discharged one-liners (and they probably weren't as
spontaneous
> as Doris thinks).  >
> cwv

My remark to that effect was meant to apply to
spontaneous one-liners by people within my
family . . we liked that kind of humor.

                         - D. M.

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02003-07-28 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Monday, July 28, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >>
> >> Man, that is one tremendous stick Karen's got up her ass tonight.
>
> > That's unforgivably rude.
>
> Indeed.

Really? I thought YMOV

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Somehow this reminds me of the time in second grade when the teacher
(the one who told us that soldiers in the Korean War, which was
currently happening, had their ears cut off if they said they were
Christian) asked us one day when apparently she happened upon some
unscheduled time whether we would like to spend that time having her
read to us from the Bible, our usual morning activity, or from whatever
<fun> book we were into, which was our just-after-lunch activity.  She
took a vote, and of course it was unanimous for the Bible.  Who would
raise a hand in a vote for the Hardy Boys or whatever against the
Bible??  My confession is that I think I also raised my hand for the
Bible, while thinking about how much I'd rather hear the Hardy Boys (or
whatever it was).  Ah, the allegories.  I've been reading a book called
_Agony at Galloway_, Galloway being my childhood church -- re the
complicated situations in the '50s and early '60s -- not unlike Sarty's
choices in Faulkner's "Barn Burning" (that connection being mine, not
the book's -- it's one I thought of thirty or more years ago).

But I seem to have drifted pretty far from the question of that
second-grade vote.  There are shadows, though.  Interesting ones.

But moving on back to more usual topics, Miss Bell became Mrs. Barlow
around xmas of that year.  She was our second-grade teacher.  We were
all invited to her wedding, and I couldn't believe that Alfred Butts was
so immature as to holler, "Hi, Miss Bell," when she came down the
aisle.  The rest of us were mortified at his <immaturity>.  I wonder
whatever happened to Miss Bell/Mrs. Barlow.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Monday, July 28, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-07-28 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Monday, July 28, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > 02003-07-28 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> >> On Monday, July 28, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> >> > 02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Man, that is one tremendous stick Karen's got up her ass tonight.
>> >>
>> >> > That's unforgivably rude.
>> >>
>> >> Indeed.
>> >
>> > Really? I thought YMOV
>>
>> As usual, you were wrong.

> I have some grave misgivings about your imagination, Karen.

Me, too. How do you suggest I handle them?

Karen

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Mutant City wrote:
>
> Karen wrote:
>
> >On Monday, July 28, 2003, Mutant City wrote:
> >> He and Ullrich would probably have ended up tied (or close to tied)
> >> in that time-trial, leaving LA still far enough ahead overall to
> >> make the last day fairly comfortable.
>
> > Non sequitur alert. Lance being ahead in the time-trial meant he won.
> > They don't challenge on the last day.
>
> As I said in the subject header, HUH?  Where is the non-sequitur?

I really do want to know where my ns is.

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02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>        Actually, I remember my grandfather, who would be either 100
> or 102 if he were still alive (no birth records exist),
> didn't like him either.  Of course, he wasn't an American,
> and I guess neither am I.

I think the last six words in this post are smarmy.

Discuss

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02003-07-28 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> I just turned mail back on -- and was going to quote (without
> attribution) the reason, but I can't find it -- the quotation, I mean.
> Surely I didn't delete it, but I must have.  I read it just before
> unplugging the computer early Friday morning for departure on my latest
> traveling.  Didn't reply to it because I was rushing but stored it in my
> brain, which is good since I seem not to have stored it elsewhere.
> Anyway, it was something that said something like "you don't want to
> leave Words-L forever."

I think it's LAME that you leave. FYI

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>>02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Man, that is one tremendous stick Karen's got up her ass tonight.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>That's unforgivably rude.
>>>
>>       I should certainly hope so.
>>
>
> WELL? I am still waiting for the apology!


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Tushar Samant wrote:

>  Which events have impinged on your life and how strongly?
> Discuss.

Interesting stuff, Tushy.  I should probably give this careful thought,
but that would not be the Words-L way.  Ok, so WWII impinged on my
life.  How strongly?  That's very hard to answer.  I don't have any
clear memories of the war itself, though I do think I have some vague,
subconscious ones.  And I have pictures of wearing shoes with the toes
cut out because of rations, etc. etc.

Certainly growing up (post-war) playing games like "Coming Up The Hill"
were influential.  "Coming Up the Hill" was a game invented by a
neighbor.  Whoever was "It" got to shoot the rest of us as we ran up the
bank in front of my house.  We were "the Germans and the Japs."  Whoever
died in the most interesting position got to be "It" next.

I know I'm moving somewhat away from your question.  This is just kind
of <flowing>.  So slap me.

Ok, so then we move into the McCarthy era.  That was about the time when
tv first came to Mississippi.  I remember my parents looking at that
little gray box and shaking their heads.  I don't think I was fully
aware of what was going on, though.  I do remember that when Stalin
died, my brother walked into the house from wherever he had been and
said, "I heard that Stalin kicked the bucket," and that my parents told
him that one should not say "kicked the bucket" -- that that was not a
term used by nice people.

This could go on and on and on.  There is much more I could say in
answer to your question -- like how I was seriously convinced that I
would not be able to make it far into my junior year in high school
because Krushev was coming to visit that September and somebody would
surely shoot him and that we would all then die in a nuclear holocaust.

I've gotta log off.  If anybody really cares about my personal feelings
of impingement, I will continue tomorrow.  I will say that my worry
about the situation of my country right now is more extreme than it has
ever been before.  There were probably earlier times that were as scary,
but I was too young to understand.  I ain't young now, and I do
understand.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> I hate "storytellers". I always did. As a child I remember listening
> to some goddamn middle-aged harridan or the other tell some lameass

Did you have puppet shows?

Ann

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02003-07-28 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > > We were all invited to her wedding, and I couldn't believe that
> > > Alfred Butts was so immature as to holler, "Hi, Miss Bell," when
> > > she came down the aisle.  The rest of us were mortified at his
> > > <immaturity>.  I wonder whatever happened to Miss Bell/Mrs. Barlow.
> >
> > Thank you for the update, Dr Maynor.
>
> More interesting, perhaps, is what ever happened to
> Alfred Butts?

They made his life hell by hollering "Hi, Master Butts" at
every opportunity, until he fled to Maine, where he wrote
a series of childishly vitriolic articles about the South
under his new name (Alfredo Bustamonte).

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02003-07-28 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > No inept stagey nonsense, no assumption that kids are idiots.
> > Finally I realized what a ridiculous travesty I had been suffering
> > through.
>
> This could well be the key to T-bone's misanthropic
> view of life as we know it.

What's your problem, lady? I already said that's NOT why Paul
pisses me off ...

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02003-07-28 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > I hate "storytellers". I always did. As a child I remember listening
> > to some goddamn middle-aged harridan or the other tell some lameass
>
> Did you have puppet shows?

No, though we did produce one and almost destroyed five friendships
in the process ... But I did see enough on TV etc, and to this day
I hate puppetry, shadow plays, 2D animated figures, claymation etc
etc.

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02003-07-28 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> >"'Beauty is truth, truth beauty,--that is all
> >Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.'"
>
> Everyone who believes that - raise your hand. Tushar will count the votes.

Where are you, you wuss boys?

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Karen Kay:
= On Monday, July 28, 2003, lisping cockatiel wrote:
= >> It's "Kristin".
=
= > jeez, Kharyn, I made the same mistake
= > twice (because I am an idiot) and she
= > let it go.
=
= > Relax.
=
= I think it's unforgivably rude to misspell people's names in a
= environment where you have their name in front of you all the time.
= YMOV.
=
= Karen

Some people are visual and some are not.

(it's not an excuse, but I think unforgivably rude is pushing it
a bit)

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20:47 28.07.2003 -0500 skrev Natalie Maynor:

>But moving on back to more usual topics, Miss Bell became Mrs. Barlow
>around xmas of that year.  She was our second-grade teacher.  We were
>all invited to her wedding, and I couldn't believe that Alfred Butts was
>so immature as to holler, "Hi, Miss Bell," when she came down the
>aisle.  The rest of us were mortified at his <immaturity>.  I wonder
>whatever happened to Miss Bell/Mrs. Barlow.

But what happened to Alfred Butts?

Espen

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21:41 28.07.2003 -0500 skrev Tushar Samant:
>02003-07-28 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
>> > I think the last six words in this post are smarmy.
>> >
>> > Discuss
>>
>> We are all smarmy at times.  Who's the smarmiest?
>
>Espen.

Bless your heart.

Espen

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> And of course, one can simply shut vents if one wants to with many rooms.

It doesn't work quite that simply, or so I've been told.  In my research
on the matter I've found that some experts say there's no point in
shutting any vents -- that the ac/heat works at least as hard with some
of them closed as with all of them open.  Others say that shutting a
small percent of them is ok and might save you a little but that you
shouldn't shut them all the way -- that you should let a tiny bit of air
come out of them.  That's what I do with the ones in my closed-off
rooms.  I'm not really sure I'm saving by doing it, though.  As I've
said many times before, this house is definitely too large for me.

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> More interesting, perhaps, is what ever happened to
> Alfred Butts?

That is indeed an interesting question.  I can't remember exactly when
he vanished, but I know he wasn't in my hs graduating class.  We tracked
down everybody for the 40th reunion, even the dead people (and one we
thought to be dead who wasn't -- I think I told the story of his
surfacing later).  I'm not even sure that Alfred was still among us in
jr high.  My memories of him are all from elementary school.  I know he
was still around in 4th grade since he rode with me to junior-choir
practice at church on Thursday afternoons, and junior choir was grades
4-6.

A web search suggests that he invented Scrabble, but I don't think
that's my Alfred since it says it was in 1948.  I don't think Alfred was
that advanced a pre-schooler.  Switchboard gives two possibilities, one
in Florida and one in Michigan.  If I didn't hate telephones so much, I
might call them.

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Espen Ore wrote:

> But what happened to Alfred Butts?

I am becoming obsessed with the need to find Alfred.  He gave me a very
special valentine in 3rd grade.

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I find the idea of betting on future terrorist acts a bit weird:

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/29/politics/29TERR.html?hp

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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 21:40:47 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
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>... for instance, anyone who says "elevated train lines are ugly". What
>isn't, for these people? "Seedy" bars are ugly. "Mixed" neighborhoods
>are ugly. A slight temporary presence of trash on the sidewalk is ugly.
>Messages scratched on bus seats are ugly. Crowded platforms are ugly.
>Barred windows are ugly. Non-representational art in an office lobby
>is ugly. Exactly what do they see in the city, then? Inexplicable ...
>
>(And what is beautiful? I don't know--but I think its a rectangular
>white wooden house with a porch.)

Yes, but where should these people dwell? They also think manure stinks,
peeling paint on sagging barns is ugly, patching holes with non-contiguous
types of building materials (eg a plywood patch over a hole in siding) and
tar paper are ugly, unmown "lawns" are ugly, large animals are dangerous,
butchering is gross, spiders, snakes, bats, and other rodents shouldn't be
allowed to cohabit houses with people, and collecting junk cars in the yard
is tacky.

Such people have no appreciation for the small elegancies of assymetry, and
can never be comfortable. I bet they wouldn't even have liked the checkered
bathroom!

clo

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On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 07:28:48 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU>
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>On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 21:40:47 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
>wrote:
>
>>... for instance, anyone who says "elevated train lines are ugly". What
>>isn't, for these people? "Seedy" bars are ugly. "Mixed" neighborhoods
>>are ugly. A slight temporary presence of trash on the sidewalk is ugly.
>>Messages scratched on bus seats are ugly. Crowded platforms are ugly.
>>Barred windows are ugly. Non-representational art in an office lobby
>>is ugly. Exactly what do they see in the city, then? Inexplicable ...
>>
>>(And what is beautiful? I don't know--but I think its a rectangular
>>white wooden house with a porch.)
>
>Yes, but where should these people dwell? They also think manure stinks,
>peeling paint on sagging barns is ugly, patching holes with non-contiguous
>types of building materials (eg a plywood patch over a hole in siding) and
>tar paper are ugly, unmown "lawns" are ugly, large animals are dangerous,
>butchering is gross, spiders, snakes, bats, and other rodents shouldn't be
>allowed to cohabit houses with people, and collecting junk cars in the yard
>is tacky.
>
>Such people have no appreciation for the small elegancies of assymetry, and
>can never be comfortable. I bet they wouldn't even have liked the checkered
>bathroom!
>
>clo

ps, I love my local seedy bars. One used to be a funeral home, and is now
named "Taps".
clo

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I believe the name of the town is Celebration, Florida.  Modeled after
Stepford, Somewhere.

Rita L.

Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>Yes, but where should these people dwell? They also think manure stinks,...
>
>

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On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 08:22:48 -0400, Rita Leonard <leonard@BC.EDU> wrote:

>I believe the name of the town is Celebration, Florida.  Modeled after
>Stepford, Somewhere.
>
>Rita L.
>
>Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
>>Yes, but where should these people dwell? They also think manure
stinks,...
>

Good to know that there are such happy places in the world!
clo

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Has anyone else gotten spam about hosting a Survivor-style party?

I found this amusing. Who would want to be kicked out of
a party? Especially their own?!

Karen

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7/28/2003, 6:32 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

TS> 02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>
>> Man, that is one tremendous stick Karen's got up her ass tonight.

TS> That's unforgivably rude.

     Not if she's enjoying it.

dan

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7/28/2003, 8:13 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

NM> I will say that my worry
NM> about the situation of my country right now is more extreme than it has
NM> ever been before.  There were probably earlier times that were as scary,
NM> but I was too young to understand.  I ain't young now, and I do
NM> understand.

So you're worried in the ways that you were back in, say, 1962 during
the Cuban Missile Crisis?  Or other similar tough times during the
cold war?  If so, what is/are the specific threat(s)?

dan

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Pete, I want to put homework, class news, and stuff up on a
blog for parent communication.  Should I just go with
blogspot or is there a better site?  A better software
platform?  It would be one-way communication.

--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>Perhaps the next words-l gathering can be handled <survivor style>

>BrP

Would this include any prospective hosts?

>( I can think of a few parties over the years that I would have been
delighted to
have an excuse to leave.)

I can *always* find a plausible excuse to leave/not to go anywhere, as I see
fit!

By the way, it looks like a KentuckyFest may be in the works for August! At
very least, a Gang of Four are expected.

AS, who greatly enjoyed The Canyon, El Tovar, and other various riches of
life with My Betrothed

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Perhaps the next words-l gathering can be handled <survivor style>
 
BrP
 
( I can think of a few parties over the years that I would have been delighted to 
have an excuse to leave.)
 


>>> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM 07/29/03 10:09AM >>>
Has anyone else gotten spam about hosting a Survivor-style party?

I found this amusing. Who would want to be kicked out of
a party? Especially their own?!

Karen

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>        Could you help me buy a lightbulb?  I went to Walmart today,
>and because it is summer, the usual smart students weren't
>there to help me choose which type would be best.
>
>
>
>
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>
>


Have your husband pick the lightbulb for you.



alec

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>If Natalie's fears are imagined, I know a lot of people who share her
psychosis.

>Karen

I believe that!

AS

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This isn't a direct answer, but I have a friend in VT who built dish storage racks over his sink that not only look nice as a place for keeping dishes but also are designed to drain into the sink so they can be used as drying racks - seemed like a great idea.
 
BrP
 
 


>>> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM 07/29/03 11:30AM >>>
Does anyone have, or know anyone who has, those racks for plates that
are so trendy nowadays? They kind of look like bookshelves for plates.
I'm wondering if they are at all space-efficient.

Karen

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 11:12 AM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>>>
>>>I've gotta log off.  If anybody really cares about my
>personal feelings
>>>of impingement, I will continue tomorrow.  I will say that my worry
>>>about the situation of my country right now is more extreme
>than it has
>>>ever been before.  There were probably earlier times that were
>>>as scary, but I was too young to understand.  I ain't young
>now, and I do
>>>understand.
>>>
>>>--
>>> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>>>
>
>> Maybe talking to someone could help you deal with these
>fears about the
>> country. I imagine even Starkville has a few psychologists.
>
>If Natalie's fears are imagined, I know a lot of people who share her
>psychosis.
>
>Karen
>
I never said her fears are imagined. The fears are real. It is how you live
your life and deal with the fears which exist. Some people drink or do
drugs, some go to therapy and some just deal. An anti- anxiety drug would
also help her deal with this problem.



alec

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7/29/2003, 9:58 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>> I can't comment as I have no real personal contact with her. In my opinion,
>> she has changed. I understand death can change someone, my mother dying has
>> changed me and my life.

KK> Being orphaned really changed me a lot.

   At what age were you orphaned?  Did your father die first?

dan

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I assume the host would get to make the rules
 
BrP
 
 
 

>>> amy.short@MURRAYSTATE.EDU 07/29/03 10:37AM >>>
>Perhaps the next words-l gathering can be handled <survivor style>

>BrP

Would this include any prospective hosts?


AS, who greatly enjoyed The Canyon, El Tovar, and other various riches of
life with My Betrothed

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Does anyone have, or know anyone who has, those racks for plates that
are so trendy nowadays? They kind of look like bookshelves for plates.
I'm wondering if they are at all space-efficient.

Karen

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>Does anyone have, or know anyone who has, those racks for plates that
>are so trendy nowadays? They kind of look like bookshelves for plates.
>I'm wondering if they are at all space-efficient.

>Karen

My mother does. She had someone to make it for her sometime ago.

AS

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7/29/2003, 9:30 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> Does anyone have, or know anyone who has, those racks for plates that
KK> are so trendy nowadays? They kind of look like bookshelves for plates.
KK> I'm wondering if they are at all space-efficient.

I never thought of plate racks as trendy, but they're certainly widely
available.  To save space, you'll do better using plate holders, the
type that are wire and springs.  Then hang the plate directly on the
wall.  If you have a lot of plates, that is a much more efficient use
of space, and much less expensive.


dan

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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> Perhaps the next words-l gathering can be handled <survivor style>

You think they aren't already?

> ( I can think of a few parties over the years that I would have been delighted to
> have an excuse to leave.)

But how many would you have want to be thrown out of?

Karen

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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> This isn't a direct answer, but I have a friend in VT who built dish
> storage racks over his sink that not only look nice as a place for
> keeping dishes but also are designed to drain into the sink so they
> can be used as drying racks - seemed like a great idea.

I'd worry about the wood molding/mildewing or rotting. Not that it's
really feasible with the greenhouse window I have.

Karen

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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Amy Burns Short wrote:
>>Does anyone have, or know anyone who has, those racks for plates that
>>are so trendy nowadays? They kind of look like bookshelves for plates.
>>I'm wondering if they are at all space-efficient.

>>Karen

> My mother does. She had someone to make it for her sometime ago.

Are they space-efficient? Does she like them?

Karen

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> I never said her fears are imagined. The fears are real. It is how you live
> your life and deal with the fears which exist. Some people drink or do
> drugs, some go to therapy and some just deal. An anti- anxiety drug would
> also help her deal with this problem.

ROFL!  I'm living my life quite happily.  I almost feel guilty about
enjoying life while the country goes down the tubes.  But, as I said, I
don't think the full effects will hit until after I'm dead.  I do what I
can to help my country, but I think it would indeed be neurotic to think
that I can save it myself or to let the sad state of things make me
suffer anxiety or depression (other than normal levels of those feelings
-- the levels that are part of being alive and aware and mentally
healthy).

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> Maybe talking to someone could help you deal with these fears about the
> country. I imagine even Starkville has a few psychologists.

I'm not sure how psychologists fit into the picture.  My fears aren't
really about my own life.  It's unlikely that the major effects of
what's happening right now will show up in my lifetime.  And since I
don't have any children, it's not that I'm worried about what will
happen to my own children.  My worry is for the country as a whole.

You make it sound as if I'm alone in these fears/worries.  Take off your
blinders.  There are plenty of mightily worried people.  For a few
examples, look at some of the editorials/columns here:
http://nmaynor.blogspot.com/

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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7/29/2003, 9:11 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>>>
>>>I've gotta log off.  If anybody really cares about my personal feelings
>>>of impingement, I will continue tomorrow.  I will say that my worry
>>>about the situation of my country right now is more extreme than it has
>>>ever been before.  There were probably earlier times that were
>>>as scary, but I was too young to understand.  I ain't young now, and I do
>>>understand.
>>>
>>>--
>>> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>>>

>> Maybe talking to someone could help you deal with these fears about the
>> country. I imagine even Starkville has a few psychologists.

KK> If Natalie's fears are imagined, I know a lot of people who share her
KK> psychosis.

No one said her fears were imagined.  I did ask what they are.  Tushar
didn't say they were imagined either.


dan

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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>>
>>I've gotta log off.  If anybody really cares about my personal feelings
>>of impingement, I will continue tomorrow.  I will say that my worry
>>about the situation of my country right now is more extreme than it has
>>ever been before.  There were probably earlier times that were
>>as scary, but I was too young to understand.  I ain't young now, and I do
>>understand.
>>
>>--
>> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>>

> Maybe talking to someone could help you deal with these fears about the
> country. I imagine even Starkville has a few psychologists.

If Natalie's fears are imagined, I know a lot of people who share her
psychosis.

Karen

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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> I can't comment as I have no real personal contact with her. In my opinion,
> she has changed. I understand death can change someone, my mother dying has
> changed me and my life.

Being orphaned really changed me a lot.

Karen

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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> I never said her fears are imagined. The fears are real. It is how you live
> your life and deal with the fears which exist. Some people drink or do
> drugs, some go to therapy and some just deal. An anti- anxiety drug would
> also help her deal with this problem.

You don't think she's just dealing with it?

Karen

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>
>I've gotta log off.  If anybody really cares about my personal feelings
>of impingement, I will continue tomorrow.  I will say that my worry
>about the situation of my country right now is more extreme than it has
>ever been before.  There were probably earlier times that were
>as scary, but I was too young to understand.  I ain't young now, and I do
>understand.
>
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>

Maybe talking to someone could help you deal with these fears about the
country. I imagine even Starkville has a few psychologists.


alec

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 11:47 AM
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>
>
>On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>> I never said her fears are imagined. The fears are real. It
>is how you live your life and deal with the fears which exist. Some people
>drink or dodrugs, some go to therapy and some just deal. An anti-
>anxiety drug would also help her deal with this problem.
>
>You don't think she's just dealing with it?
>
>Karen
>

I can't comment as I have no real personal contact with her. In my opinion,
she has changed. I understand death can change someone, my mother dying has
changed me and my life.


alec

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7/29/2003, 9:44 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

NM> Dan Lester wrote:

>> So you're worried in the ways that you were back in, say, 1962 during
>> the Cuban Missile Crisis?  Or other similar tough times during the
>> cold war?

NM> No, I'm more worried now.

>> If so, what is/are the specific threat(s)?

NM> They are many.  No time right now to go through every specific.

I'd be interested in a few when you have a few moments.

NM>  The
NM> umbrella is that the country is being run by secretive liars who are
NM> destroying democracy and turning the U.S. into an international pariah.

I disagree with your opinion, but that's not surprising.  And isn't
the issue with the worries.

NM> The superior military force obviously helps keep us from being simply
NM> wiped out, but even a military giant can suffer serious consequences
NM> from incurring the wrath of much of the world -- from ignoring
NM> international law, etc. etc.

Obviously the 9/11 attack had major impact on all of us.  However,
attacks of that sort, or like the OKC attack from inside, are
essentially trivial to nuclear war.  Even things that are discussed
like small dirty nukes, ricin poisoning, and so on are trivial
compared to nuclear war.  As I'm sure you know, all of us were VERY
close to getting our asses blown away for a while there in the fall of
62.

dan

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Dan Lester wrote:

> So you're worried in the ways that you were back in, say, 1962 during
> the Cuban Missile Crisis?  Or other similar tough times during the
> cold war?

No, I'm more worried now.

> If so, what is/are the specific threat(s)?

They are many.  No time right now to go through every specific.  The
umbrella is that the country is being run by secretive liars who are
destroying democracy and turning the U.S. into an international pariah.
The superior military force obviously helps keep us from being simply
wiped out, but even a military giant can suffer serious consequences
from incurring the wrath of much of the world -- from ignoring
international law, etc. etc.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>The umbrella is that the country is being run by secretive liars who are
>destroying democracy and turning the U.S. into an international pariah.

Not to add to your worries, but there's also potentially a dollar problem,
e.g., "American deficit dependency: kill or cure, the fallout's global"
<http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,3604,1002131,00.html>.

Pete

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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Dan Lester wrote:
> 7/29/2003, 9:11 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK>> On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I've gotta log off.  If anybody really cares about my personal feelings
>>>>of impingement, I will continue tomorrow.  I will say that my worry
>>>>about the situation of my country right now is more extreme than it has
>>>>ever been before.  There were probably earlier times that were
>>>>as scary, but I was too young to understand.  I ain't young now, and I do
>>>>understand.
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>>>>

>>> Maybe talking to someone could help you deal with these fears about the
>>> country. I imagine even Starkville has a few psychologists.

KK>> If Natalie's fears are imagined, I know a lot of people who share her
KK>> psychosis.

> No one said her fears were imagined.

The way that Alec mentioned that Starkville must have pyschologists
sounded to me like he was implying that her fears are not real.

>   I did ask what they are.  Tushar
> didn't say they were imagined either.

My response was to Alec; I didn't intend it to encompass anyone else's
comments.

Karen

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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Dan Lester wrote:
> 7/29/2003, 9:58 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK>> On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>>> I can't comment as I have no real personal contact with her. In my opinion,
>>> she has changed. I understand death can change someone, my mother dying has
>>> changed me and my life.

KK>> Being orphaned really changed me a lot.

>    At what age were you orphaned?

Late 40's.

>  Did your father die first?

Yes.

Karen

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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Dan Lester wrote:
> I never thought of plate racks as trendy, but they're certainly widely
> available.  To save space, you'll do better using plate holders, the
> type that are wire and springs.  Then hang the plate directly on the
> wall.  If you have a lot of plates, that is a much more efficient use
> of space, and much less expensive.

Hm. I think of plate holders as decorative, not for plates one
actually uses. The plate racks I'm thinking of are not decorative;
they don't show off the plate at all.

Karen

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> Crimine -iny
>
> A vulgar exclamation of astonishment: now somewhat archaic.

Eh, vulgar? Well one might guess. I guess "jeez!" might be vulgar, too. Or, informal at least. I mostly try to avoid using expletives derived from "Christ". Which doesn't mean I should be annoyed by the use of them by others. No.

>  Crimini, jimini! Did you ever hear such a nimminy pimminy Story as Leigh Hunt's Rimini? 1865

Cool :)

> Source: OED.

The one I usually read is the concise one. That doesn't offer so long examples.

Thanks, Marie.

Kristin

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Karen Kay wrote:

> It's "Kristin".

Thank you, Karen!

It's good to see one's name to be spelled as it was given to me.

Kristin

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lisping cockatiel wrote:

> > It's "Kristin".
>
> jeez, Kharyn, I made the same mistake
> twice (because I am an idiot) and she
> let it go.

Did I really? Unforgivable! Well, sometimes I do not care for pointing
it out, hoping that perhaps people learn :)

Kristin

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Rita Chapman writes,

>Should I just go with blogspot or is there a better site?  A better
>software platform?  It would be one-way communication.

The short answer is yes, go with blogspot.

The slightly longer answer is that many consider Movable Type
<http://www.movabletype.org/> to be a better platform, but it requires some
fiddling to download it and get it installed and configured.  A few months
ago Six Apart announced TypePad <http://www.typepad.com/>, an easy-to-use
hosted version of MT, but it's not available yet.  It will be available
"RSN", of course.  It's probably worth waiting for if you can wait a little
while longer.

If you're into downloading and installing, you might consider a wiki with
weblog features.  We sell one for businesses, of course, but there are also
free ones, if you don't mind fiddling with the software.

Pete

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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> It's "Kristin".

> Thank you, Karen!

> It's good to see one's name to be spelled as it was given to me.

I guess one of the reasons I feel so strongly about this is because
my last name is sometimes (and in the south, often) a first name. Also
because Karsten (who used to be a member of this <service>) often gets
called Kirsten, and because the contract agent who got me my most
recent gigs is named Daphene--she gets called Daphne a lot.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > It's good to see one's name to be spelled as it was given to me.
>
> I guess one of the reasons I feel so strongly about this is because
> my last name is sometimes (and in the south, often) a first name. Also
> because Karsten (who used to be a member of this <service>) often gets
> called Kirsten, and because the contract agent who got me my most
> recent gigs is named Daphene--she gets called Daphne a lot

But, although this must be asked before -- do you pronounce schwa or [i]
in the second syllables of both your name and Karsten's?

And, I've always thought that'd be revealed at some time by a context, but
it wouldn't clearly enough (for me): how are you related to Karsten?

Kristin

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lisping cockatiel wrote:

> > I think it's unforgivably rude to misspell people's names in a
>
> Look, I said it's because I am an idiot,
> and if I offended anybody, it's up to the
> offended party to call me on it.

And you've been thinking you're an idiot for about 18 hours already?

There, there!

It's not that bad.

But my today's session at the mailbox remains quite short. Sorry to
leave, aamf. Hope tomorrow will be longer (days are not of the same
length, are they).

KristIn

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An update on Roppongi Hills.  It seems to be going well:
<http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/newse/20030728wo12.htm>.

Pete

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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> But, although this must be asked before -- do you pronounce schwa or [i]
> in the second syllables of both your name and Karsten's?

Schwa

> And, I've always thought that'd be revealed at some time by a context, but
> it wouldn't clearly enough (for me): how are you related to Karsten?

Not at all.

Karen

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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Dan Lester wrote:
> Hey, whatever.  You're neither the first nor the last wordsler to
> insist on using words in ways that are wrong according to standard
> meanings and also to generally accepted usage.

You're such a kind and thoughtful man, Dan.

Karen

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Rita Chapman writes,
>
>> Should I just go with blogspot or is there a better site?  A better
>> software platform?  It would be one-way communication.
>
>
> The short answer is yes, go with blogspot.


        Well, OK then!


> The slightly longer answer is that many consider Movable Type
> <http://www.movabletype.org/> to be a better platform, but it requires some
> fiddling to download it and get it installed and configured.  A few months
> ago Six Apart announced TypePad <http://www.typepad.com/>, an easy-to-use
> hosted version of MT, but it's not available yet.  It will be available
> "RSN", of course.  It's probably worth waiting for if you can wait a little
> while longer.


        Movable Type looked like it had nice features, but I don't
actually have a web server.


> If you're into downloading and installing, you might consider a wiki with
> weblog features.  We sell one for businesses, of course, but there are also
> free ones, if you don't mind fiddling with the software.


        Pete, believe me, the LAST thing I want is my students
editing their homework assignments ;).




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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7/29/2003, 11:17 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Dan Lester wrote:
>> Hey, whatever.  You're neither the first nor the last wordsler to
>> insist on using words in ways that are wrong according to standard
>> meanings and also to generally accepted usage.

KK> You're such a kind and thoughtful man, Dan.

   Most people think so.  And that has nothing to do with the current
   discussion, which is solely about WORDS (strange concept
   hereabouts, I know).  I'm not talking about, or minimizing, your
   feelings about the loss of your mother.  But using words
   incorrectly won't help those issues, either.

dan

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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         Pete, believe me, the LAST thing I want is my students
> editing their homework assignments ;).

LOL. I'd like to see what they came up with!

Why do you want to make this a blog instead of a web page? Doesn't
your DSL account give you webspace?

Karen

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7/29/2003, 11:18 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK>>> I'm not going to argue this with you. Nor will I change my
KK>>> description of what happened to me.

>> Interesting description of "what happened to me".  The one that
>> something REALLY happened to was your late mother.  She's the dead
>> one.

KK> Gee, I haven't heard her talking about how she feels about it. I wonder why?

   Because you haven't sought out a medium to channel her to you?
   Because she's happy in heaven?  Some other reason?


dan

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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Dan Lester wrote:
> 7/29/2003, 11:17 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK>> On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Dan Lester wrote:
>>> Hey, whatever.  You're neither the first nor the last wordsler to
>>> insist on using words in ways that are wrong according to standard
>>> meanings and also to generally accepted usage.

KK>> You're such a kind and thoughtful man, Dan.

>    Most people think so.  And that has nothing to do with the current
>    discussion, which is solely about WORDS (strange concept
>    hereabouts, I know).  I'm not talking about, or minimizing, your
>    feelings about the loss of your mother.  But using words
>    incorrectly won't help those issues, either.

I'm using it evocatively. Strange concept for you, I know.

Karen

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02003-07-29 | Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> writes:
> 7/28/2003, 6:32 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> TS> 02003-07-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >>
> >> Man, that is one tremendous stick Karen's got up her ass tonight.
>
> TS> That's unforgivably rude.
>
>      Not if she's enjoying it.

I never expected you to understand.

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02003-07-29 | "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> writes:
> >        Could you help me buy a lightbulb?  I went to Walmart today,
> >and because it is summer, the usual smart students weren't
> >there to help me choose which type would be best.
>
>
> Have your husband pick the lightbulb for you.

It takes at least 5 husbands to do that ...

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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Dan Lester wrote:
> I certainly didn't infer that.  Not sure why you did other than the
> word "imagine" being used in an adjacent sentence.  It isn't like
> psychologists only deal with imagined fears.

No, but Natalie, in general, doesn't strike me as a fearful person--in
fact, the opposite. I can't imagine her being afraid of too many
<real> things.

Karen

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02003-07-29 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
>
> >... for instance, anyone who says "elevated train lines are ugly". What
> >isn't, for these people? "Seedy" bars are ugly. "Mixed" neighborhoods
> >are ugly. A slight temporary presence of trash on the sidewalk is ugly.
> >Messages scratched on bus seats are ugly. Crowded platforms are ugly.
> >Barred windows are ugly. Non-representational art in an office lobby
> >is ugly. Exactly what do they see in the city, then? Inexplicable ...
> >
> >(And what is beautiful? I don't know--but I think its a rectangular
> >white wooden house with a porch.)
>
> Yes, but where should these people dwell? They also think manure stinks,
> peeling paint on sagging barns is ugly, patching holes with non-contiguous
> types of building materials (eg a plywood patch over a hole in siding) and
> tar paper are ugly, unmown "lawns" are ugly, large animals are dangerous,
> butchering is gross, spiders, snakes, bats, and other rodents shouldn't be
> allowed to cohabit houses with people, and collecting junk cars in the yard
> is tacky.

So where do you think they should live? It's called the SUBURBS.

> Such people have no appreciation for the small elegancies of assymetry, and
> can never be comfortable. I bet they wouldn't even have liked the checkered
> bathroom!

Sergio! Two more espressos bro

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7/29/2003, 10:28 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK>>> If Natalie's fears are imagined, I know a lot of people who share her
KK>>> psychosis.

>> No one said her fears were imagined.

KK> The way that Alec mentioned that Starkville must have pyschologists
KK> sounded to me like he was implying that her fears are not real.

I certainly didn't infer that.  Not sure why you did other than the
word "imagine" being used in an adjacent sentence.  It isn't like
psychologists only deal with imagined fears.

dan

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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Dan Lester wrote:
> 7/29/2003, 10:29 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK>>>> Being orphaned really changed me a lot.

>>>    At what age were you orphaned?

KK>> Late 40's.

> Then, according to my dictionaries, you were not orphaned.  You were
> an adult whose parents died, which happens to all of us eventually. An
> orphan is "a child whose parents have died" according to my Webster's
> New World.

I'm not going to argue this with you. Nor will I change my
description of what happened to me.

Karen

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7/29/2003, 11:08 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Dan Lester wrote:
>> 7/29/2003, 10:29 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK>>>>> Being orphaned really changed me a lot.

>>>>    At what age were you orphaned?

KK>>> Late 40's.

>> Then, according to my dictionaries, you were not orphaned.  You were
>> an adult whose parents died, which happens to all of us eventually. An
>> orphan is "a child whose parents have died" according to my Webster's
>> New World.

KK> I'm not going to argue this with you. Nor will I change my
KK> description of what happened to me.

Hey, whatever.  You're neither the first nor the last wordsler to
insist on using words in ways that are wrong according to standard
meanings and also to generally accepted usage.


dan

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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Dan Lester wrote:
> 7/29/2003, 11:08 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

>>> Then, according to my dictionaries, you were not orphaned.  You were
>>> an adult whose parents died, which happens to all of us eventually. An
>>> orphan is "a child whose parents have died" according to my Webster's
>>> New World.

KK>> I'm not going to argue this with you. Nor will I change my
KK>> description of what happened to me.

> Interesting description of "what happened to me".  The one that
> something REALLY happened to was your late mother.  She's the dead
> one.

Gee, I haven't heard her talking about how she feels about it. I wonder why?

Karen

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7/29/2003, 10:29 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK>>> Being orphaned really changed me a lot.

>>    At what age were you orphaned?

KK> Late 40's.

Then, according to my dictionaries, you were not orphaned.  You were
an adult whose parents died, which happens to all of us eventually. An
orphan is "a child whose parents have died" according to my Webster's
New World.


dan

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7/29/2003, 11:06 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Dan Lester wrote:
>> I certainly didn't infer that.  Not sure why you did other than the
>> word "imagine" being used in an adjacent sentence.  It isn't like
>> psychologists only deal with imagined fears.

KK> No, but Natalie, in general, doesn't strike me as a fearful person--in
KK> fact, the opposite. I can't imagine her being afraid of too many
KK> <real> things.

Agree.  That's a big part of why I asked what she was afraid of, and
which I'm still hoping to hear about, as per a message of an hour or
so ago.

dan

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7/29/2003, 11:08 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

>> Then, according to my dictionaries, you were not orphaned.  You were
>> an adult whose parents died, which happens to all of us eventually. An
>> orphan is "a child whose parents have died" according to my Webster's
>> New World.

KK> I'm not going to argue this with you. Nor will I change my
KK> description of what happened to me.

Interesting description of "what happened to me".  The one that
something REALLY happened to was your late mother.  She's the dead
one.

dan

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02003-07-29 | Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> writes:
> 7/29/2003, 9:30 AM, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> KK> Does anyone have, or know anyone who has, those racks for plates that
> KK> are so trendy nowadays? They kind of look like bookshelves for plates.
> KK> I'm wondering if they are at all space-efficient.
>
> I never thought of plate racks as trendy, but they're certainly widely
> available.  To save space, you'll do better using plate holders, the
> type that are wire and springs.  Then hang the plate directly on the
> wall.  If you have a lot of plates, that is a much more efficient use
> of space, and much less expensive.

You're such a kind and thoughtful man, Dan.

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 12:40:51 -0500
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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        Pete, believe me, the LAST thing I want is my students
>>editing their homework assignments ;).
>>
>
> LOL. I'd like to see what they came up with!


        I have a blackboard dedicated to the daily
agenda/assignments, and sometimes they do get pretty creative.


> Why do you want to make this a blog instead of a web page? Doesn't
> your DSL account give you webspace?


        It might.  I've never looked into it.  I keep my web page on
ETEXT.  I just thought I'd use blogger a) to play with
something new b) because it looks easier/quicker to update
than my web page, and c) because going with new tech
impresses people who still have trouble printing documents
(ie. parents, my dept. head).




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         I have a blackboard dedicated to the daily
> agenda/assignments, and sometimes they do get pretty creative.

Cool.

> I just thought I'd use blogger a) to play with
> something new b) because it looks easier/quicker to update
> than my web page, and c) because going with new tech
> impresses people who still have trouble printing documents
> (ie. parents, my dept. head).

Ah. Got it.

Not there's anything wrong with a blog, of course.

Hey, this makes you another blogger I know not from California!

Karen

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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> You're such a kind and thoughtful man, Dan.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery!

Karen

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7/29/2003, 11:48 AM, Tushar Samant wrote:

>> I never thought of plate racks as trendy, but they're certainly widely
>> available.  To save space, you'll do better using plate holders, the
>> type that are wire and springs.  Then hang the plate directly on the
>> wall.  If you have a lot of plates, that is a much more efficient use
>> of space, and much less expensive.

TS> You're such a kind and thoughtful man, Dan.

Thank you, my good man.  Your love, consideration, and true affection
is appreciated more than you'll ever know.

dan

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>
> Karen

Under the circumstances, though, perhaps it would have
been wiser to keep "hazmats" under wraps.

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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>>
>> Karen

> Under the circumstances, though, perhaps it would have
> been wiser to keep "hazmats" under wraps.

What are you talking about?

Karen

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      I'm not talking about, or
> minimizing, your
> >    feelings about the loss of your mother.  But
> using words
> >    incorrectly won't help those issues, either.
>
> I'm using it evocatively. Strange concept for you, I
> know.
>
> Karen

Is not to "evoke" to raise the consciousness in
another of a thought, mood, concept, sense?


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--- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> >>
> >> Karen
>
> > Under the circumstances, though, perhaps it would
> have
> > been wiser to keep "hazmats" under wraps.
>
> What are you talking about?
>
> Karen

Just don't reply, Karen,  If it's nonsense to you,
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 11:15:29 -0700, Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
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>--- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Karen
>>
>> > Under the circumstances, though, perhaps it would
>> have
>> > been wiser to keep "hazmats" under wraps.
>>
>> What are you talking about?
>>
>> Karen
>
>Just don't reply, Karen,  If it's nonsense to you,
>don't waste your energy.

Then don't use my name. Thank you!

Karen

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02003-07-29 | Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> writes:
> 7/29/2003, 11:48 AM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >> I never thought of plate racks as trendy, but they're certainly widely
> >> available.  To save space, you'll do better using plate holders, the
> >> type that are wire and springs.  Then hang the plate directly on the
> >> wall.  If you have a lot of plates, that is a much more efficient use
> >> of space, and much less expensive.
>
> TS> You're such a kind and thoughtful man, Dan.
>
> Thank you, my good man.  Your love, consideration, and true affection
> is appreciated more than you'll ever know.

No, please, it's YOUR consideration and love that I draw
my pale fire from.

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02003-07-29 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > I'm using it evocatively. Strange concept for you, I
> > know.
>
> Is not to "evoke" to raise the consciousness in
> another of a thought, mood, concept, sense?

I knew it was a strange concept to you.

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Lynne Weber writes,

>Is not to "evoke" to raise the consciousness in
>another of a thought, mood, concept, sense?

Sounds like a definition of "art". ;-)

Karen's use of the word "orphan" was absolutely evocative for me.

Pete

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lynne Weber
>Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 2:15 PM
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>
>
>--- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Karen
>>
>> > Under the circumstances, though, perhaps it would
>> have
>> > been wiser to keep "hazmats" under wraps.
>>
>> What are you talking about?
>>
>> Karen
>
>Just don't reply, Karen,  If it's nonsense to you,
>don't waste your energy.
>
>
Not a chance. Replying is the name of the game.



alec

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Karen Kay wrote:


>>I just thought I'd use blogger a) to play with
>>something new b) because it looks easier/quicker to update
>>than my web page, and c) because going with new tech
>>impresses people who still have trouble printing documents
>>(ie. parents, my dept. head).
>>
>
> Ah. Got it.
>
> Not there's anything wrong with a blog, of course.


        It's not as easy as advertised.  I have to actually go into
the html code for the template to add my own links, etc.
It's not a big deal for me, but its gotta be a little
daunting for folks without any programming background.


> Hey, this makes you another blogger I know not from California!
>


        Well, mine is pretty utilitarian... not very traditional.




--
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02003-07-29 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > You're such a kind and thoughtful man, Dan.
>
> Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery!

I wouldn't say so, but have it your way.

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http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/fword1.html

Wherein the public defender defends a kids use of the word in anger at
his principal.

dan

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Rita Chapman writes,

>        Well, OK then!

Short answers are the best. :)

>        Pete, believe me, the LAST thing I want is my students
>editing their homework assignments ;).

Trivia note: the first deployed Socialtext wiki was in a classroom (albeit
of Stanford students).  Students picked report topics and submitted
collaborative reports over it, among other things.  Wikis may be handy
classroom tools, someday.

But for you, I was thinking of one where just you have write privileges,
and everyone else is read-only.  But blogspot will definitely be easier. :)

Pete

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7/29/2003, 12:35 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

>> Thank you, my good man.  Your love, consideration, and true affection
>> is appreciated more than you'll ever know.

TS> No, please, it's YOUR consideration and love that I draw
TS> my pale fire from.

Thank you.  I kiss you.


dan

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> I knew it was a strange concept to you.

It's an imaginary concept to me.


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On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>rooms.  I'm not really sure I'm saving by doing it, though.  As I've
>said many times before, this house is definitely too large for me.

Why exactly do you think it is too large? Because the utility bills are
high? Because you do not like to clean that much space? Why, exactly?

Bethany

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Peter Kaminski wrote:


> Trivia note: the first deployed Socialtext wiki was in a classroom (albeit
> of Stanford students).  Students picked report topics and submitted
> collaborative reports over it, among other things.  Wikis may be handy
> classroom tools, someday.


        I would very much like to experiment with this sort of thing
at the high school level, but my goal right now is just
parent communication.  Maybe if the new computer lab person
is cool and will install the software, I'll try a class wiki
second semester.



> But for you, I was thinking of one where just you have write privileges,
> and everyone else is read-only.  But blogspot will definitely be easier. :)


        Yup.  I've already got something up:
        room219.blogspot.com




--
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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> I can't comment as I have no real personal contact with her. In my opinion,
> she has changed.

Changed from what to what?

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Dan Lester wrote:

> Agree.  That's a big part of why I asked what she was afraid of, and
> which I'm still hoping to hear about, as per a message of an hour or
> so ago.

I get the feeling that you're talking about some kind of personal
fears.  I don't have any particular fears of threats to me individually
-- or at least no more than most normal people have.  What I fear is the
damage being done to the country I love, with ramifications for the
world.

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On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I didn't realize it was more Southern than Northern.  I thought Kay (or
>Cay) was a common first name all over the country.  I think of it as
>unusual as a last name but quite common as a first name.

To me, it is only a middle name.

Bethany Kay Dumas

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of lisa alfieri
>Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 3:34 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Thanks for the Memories
>
>
>At 11:46 AM 7/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>
>>I never said her fears are imagined. The fears are real. It is how you
live
>>your life and deal with the fears which exist. Some people drink or do
>>drugs, some go to therapy and some just deal. An anti-
>anxiety drug would also help her deal with this problem.
>
>Alec you're being ridiculously presumptuous.
>
>Where do you get off  telling Natalie she needs therapy or anti-anxiety
>drugs? What qualifications do you have that allow you to diagnose her?
>
>lisa
>
>
I never said anything other then my opinion. I said clearly that:


>
>On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>> I never said her fears are imagined. The fears are real. It
>is how you live your life and deal with the fears which exist. Some people
>drink or dodrugs, some go to therapy and some just deal. An anti-
>anxiety drug would also help her deal with this problem.
>
>You don't think she's just dealing with it?
>
>Karen
>

>I can't comment as I have no real personal contact with her. In my opinion,
>she has changed. I understand death can change someone, my mother dying has
>changed me and my life.
>alec


So watch your ridiculous statements.


alec

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Dan Lester wrote:

> >> If so, what is/are the specific threat(s)?
>
> NM> They are many.  No time right now to go through every specific.
>
> I'd be interested in a few when you have a few moments.

Ok, here are a few:

Threat to democracy:  King George and his cronies' repeated lies about
life-threatening matters.

Threat to world order/peace:  King G and his cronies' flagrant
violations of international law.

Threat to future life on earth:  King G and his cronies' ignoring of
global warming and other environment concerns.

Threat to the economic future of hard-working Americans:  King G and his
cronies' padding the pockets of rich friends and incurring staggering
debts that threaten to cripple the country.

> NM>  The
> NM> umbrella is that the country is being run by secretive liars who are
> NM> destroying democracy and turning the U.S. into an international pariah.
>
> I disagree with your opinion, but that's not surprising.  And isn't
> the issue with the worries.

I don't understand your second sentence.  What issue exactly do you
mean?  What I'm talking about is worries.

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Dan Lester
>Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 3:44 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Thanks for the Memories
>
>
>7/29/2003, 1:34 PM, lisa alfieri wrote:
>
>>>I never said her fears are imagined. The fears are real. It is how you
live
>>>your life and deal with the fears which exist. Some people drink or do
>>>drugs, some go to therapy and some just deal. An anti-anxiety drug would
>>>also help her deal with this problem.
>
>la> Alec you're being ridiculously presumptuous.
>
>la> Where do you get off  telling Natalie she needs therapy or anti-anxiety
>la> drugs? What qualifications do you have that allow you to diagnose her?
>
>  I'm not agreeing with Alec's analysis at all, but his qualifications
>  are the same as those of 90 percent of the listmembers on 90 percent
>  of the topics discussed.  Basically, whatever they pull out of their
>  ass.
>
>dan
>

Thanks Dan! I pull many things from my ass including some opinions.


alec

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Karen Kay wrote:

> my last name is sometimes (and in the south, often) a first name.

I didn't realize it was more Southern than Northern.  I thought Kay (or
Cay) was a common first name all over the country.  I think of it as
unusual as a last name but quite common as a first name.

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7/29/2003, 1:59 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>>la> Where do you get off  telling Natalie she needs therapy or anti-anxiety
>>la> drugs? What qualifications do you have that allow you to diagnose her?
>>
>>  I'm not agreeing with Alec's analysis at all, but his qualifications
>>  are the same as those of 90 percent of the listmembers on 90 percent
>>  of the topics discussed.  Basically, whatever they pull out of their
>>  ass.
>>
>>dan
>>

ADP> Thanks Dan! I pull many things from my ass including some opinions.

      You're very welcome.  I'd just as soon not hear about the other
      things removed from your anal orifice, thank you very much.


dan

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On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:

> An update on Roppongi Hills.  It seems to be going well:
> <http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/newse/20030728wo12.htm>.

Perfect for those who think elevated trains and seedy bars are ugly!

Ann

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Yup.  I've already got something up:
>         room219.blogspot.com

It looks good if you're using IE.  With Netscape (4.7), the part that's
supposed to be on the left is at the bottom.

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>   I'm not agreeing with Alec's analysis at all, but
> his qualifications
>   are the same as those of 90 percent of the
> listmembers on 90 percent
>   of the topics discussed.  Basically, whatever they
> pull out of their
>   ass.
>
> dan

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At 11:46 AM 7/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>I never said her fears are imagined. The fears are real. It is how you live
>your life and deal with the fears which exist. Some people drink or do
>drugs, some go to therapy and some just deal. An anti- anxiety drug would
>also help her deal with this problem.

Alec you're being ridiculously presumptuous.

Where do you get off  telling Natalie she needs therapy or anti-anxiety
drugs? What qualifications do you have that allow you to diagnose her?

lisa




>alec

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7/29/2003, 1:34 PM, lisa alfieri wrote:

>>I never said her fears are imagined. The fears are real. It is how you live
>>your life and deal with the fears which exist. Some people drink or do
>>drugs, some go to therapy and some just deal. An anti- anxiety drug would
>>also help her deal with this problem.

la> Alec you're being ridiculously presumptuous.

la> Where do you get off  telling Natalie she needs therapy or anti-anxiety
la> drugs? What qualifications do you have that allow you to diagnose her?

  I'm not agreeing with Alec's analysis at all, but his qualifications
  are the same as those of 90 percent of the listmembers on 90 percent
  of the topics discussed.  Basically, whatever they pull out of their
  ass.

dan

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >said many times before, this house is definitely too large for me.
>
> Why exactly do you think it is too large? Because the utility bills are
> high? Because you do not like to clean that much space? Why, exactly?

Both of the above (particularly the first).  But also I just don't like
<extra space>.  The only time it's useful is when I have big parties --
once every howevermany years.  Having extra storage space has pros and
cons.  In a way it's good, but then why do I need to keep things I'm
<storing>?  I had pretty much everything I needed when I lived in Japan,
yet I had carried it all in two large suitcases, plus a box of mailed
stuff.  (The apartment in Japan was also too big for me.  I preferred
other people's houses and apartments I visited there -- smaller ones.)

I simply prefer the feeling of living in smaller quarters.  I'd rather
not have my life spread out over lots of space.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Natalie Maynor
>Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:31 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Thanks for the Memories
>
>
>"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>
>> I can't comment as I have no real personal contact with her.
>In my opinion,
>> she has changed.
>
>Changed from what to what?
>
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>

I get a feeling that you are more fragile. The Natalie, I remember would
never have left her beloved Words-l. She would have fought the good fight.
Just my opinion.


alec

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It looks great with Netscape 7.1.

Rita L.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>
>>        Yup.  I've already got something up:
>>        room219.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>
>It looks good if you're using IE.  With Netscape (4.7), the part that's
>supposed to be on the left is at the bottom.
>
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>

--

Rita Leonard
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"Whether you believe you can do a thing
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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@ra.msstate.edu>
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Ok, so BellSouth is <transitioning> to a higher capacity network and
tells me that I will be <transitioned> the week of August 11.  But I
keep getting these instructions (as in both in e-mail and in a telephone
message):

> The new architecture will require you to logon to the BellSouth network
> with an extension after your logon username (see instructions below).
> For example, if your logon username is "johndoe", then you should logon
> as johndoe@bellsouth.net (@bellsouth.net is the extension).  After the
> addition of the extension to your logon name, your service should
> operate as before.
>
>
> Instructions:
> For Ethernet modem users (users of NTS Enternet 300 Software)
> Step 1:  Locate Enternet 300 on your desktop and double-click the icon
> to start the software.
>
> Step 2:  Once opened, locate and right-click on the user profile
> marked, "FastAccess DSL" and select "Properties" from the menu of
> choices.
>
> Step 3:  When the new window opens, click in the box with your current
> username and add the extension "@bellsouth.net" after your username
> (without the quotation marks). Make sure the box marked "Save Password"
> is checked, and then click on the "OK" button.
>
>
> Other modem users:
> Step 1:  Right-click on the "Internet Explorer" icon on your desktop,
> and select the "Properties" menu option.
>
> Step 2:  Find the tab marked "Connections" and click on it.
>
> Step 3:  Locate the entry marked "FastAccess DSL" in the Dial-up and
> Virtual Private Network settings box and select the Settings button.
>
> Step 4:  Click in the box with your current username and add the
> extension "@bellsouth.net" after your username (without the quotation
> marks), and then press the "OK" button.
>
> If you have another type of modem/router or need help regarding this
> network enhancement, please visit our
> support website: http://home.bellsouth.net/dslnetworkenhancement
>
> YOU CAN ADD THE @BELLSOUTH.NET EXTENSION TO YOUR LOGON USERNAME AT ANY
> TIME PRIOR TO THE SCHEDULED TRANSITION DATE WITHOUT IMPACTING YOUR
> EXISTING SERVICE.
>
> Please complete these changes as soon as possible to avoid login
> difficulties.

I guess I don't have NTS Enternet 300 Software since I don't have an
Enternet 300 icon.  But the thing about opening IE doesn't make sense.
How do they know I even have IE?  Out of curiosity I did look at my IE
properties setting -- nothing about BellSouth there.

What I'm thinking is that this must be about using BellSouth's e-mail
service, which I don't.  I did go into my Netscape Mail settings and
add @bellsouth.net to the outgoing mailserver user id.  But, afaik,
that's the only place I have my user id.  Doesn't the connection happen
automatically when I turn on the computer and modem?  I don't log in,
afaik.  Does it sound reasonable that I can ignore their urgent-sounding
messages about changing my LOGON USERNAME now that I've changed it for
the outgoing mail on Netscape?  Or am I overlooking something important
here?
   --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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I don't know whether anti-anxiety drugs would help him, but I'd say that
this man sounds pretty <het up>:

*******************
....
It's clear that the civilian deaths caused by the invasion of Iraq
cannot be ascribed to some bloodless abstraction--"the fortunes of war,"
etc.,--but are instead the direct personal responsibility of all those
in the national leadership of America and Britain who concocted and
promulgated this illicit enterprise. And the greatest share of guilt
must go to those who wield the greatest authority. The blood of
hundreds, perhaps thousands of innocent people is thus smeared across
the snarling visage of Donald Rumsfeld.

But the ultimate responsibility must be laid at the ultimate authority,
the man who indeed insists that it was his imperial will alone that
launched the invasion: George W. Bush. True, it's painfully obvious that
he is the witless mouthpiece of ideological extremists like Rumsfeld and
Dick Cheney--those Bolsheviki of the boardroom. In fact, Bush is
apparently ignorant of the actual events that led up to the war: in one
of his very rare unscripted remarks, he panicked and told reporters last
week that he invaded Iraq only after Saddam Hussein "wouldn't allow UN
inspectors into the country"--a breathtaking display of disassociation
from reality.

Nonetheless, this fatuous delusionary willingly placed himself at the
head of the extremist junta that is now bankrupting his own country and
killing thousands of innocent people as it runs roughshod over the
world. His carefully-cultivated ignorance doesn't excuse his guilt. He
may hope, as his accomplice Tony Blair pathetically declared last week,
that "history will forgive us" for waging war under false pretenses; but
in their unmarked graves, the murdered dead will forever call him to
account.
********************************
from: http://www.counterpunch.org/floyd07292003.html

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>Or am I overlooking something important here?

Remember dial-up connections in the old days, where you needed a username
and password to log on to the PPP connection?  Same thing here (unless
you've got a higher-end static IP connection, in which case you don't have
to change anything).  It's a login for the connection, separate from your
email account(s).

Check the FAQs at
http://home.bellsouth.net/csbellsouth/s/s.dll?spage=cg/tool/dsl_homepage.htm

and see if your modem/router is listed, and follow the directions there.

Pete

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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003 at 16:17, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> What I'm thinking is that this must be about using BellSouth's e-mail
> service, which I don't.  I did go into my Netscape Mail settings and
> add @bellsouth.net to the outgoing mailserver user id.  But, afaik,
> that's the only place I have my user id.  Doesn't the connection happen
> automatically when I turn on the computer and modem?  I don't log in,
> afaik.  Does it sound reasonable that I can ignore their urgent-sounding
> messages about changing my LOGON USERNAME now that I've changed it for
> the outgoing mail on Netscape?  Or am I overlooking something important
> here?

I think it probably does *not* have to do only with your mail
service. Didn't you get some sort of DSL-router box that sits between
your computer and the DSL modem? (Or perhaps a DSL modem with such a
thing built in?) If so, the logon stuff would be in there, and you
probably access it through a browser (not necessarily IE, of course,
and nothing to do with IE's configuration settings).

Btw, what this is probably about is allowing other DSL suppliers to
use their network. I don't know about the regulatory state of affairs
there, but here the incumbent phone companies have been forced to
allow competitive ISPs to use their wires, and this requires some
sort of identification of who/what you want to logon to, as well as
who you are.

Tony H.

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    From Reuters on the rabbiting Texans:


> Redistricting is being pushed by national Republican leaders to boost
>  their narrow majority in Congress, but Democrats say the state should
>  stick with its usual practice of redrawing congressional maps after the
>  U.S. census every 10 years.
>
    "Pushed by Republicans"?  "Its *usual* practice"?  I guess when you
have an axe to grind you can't let the facts get between you and your
whetstone.  Good gawd.

JMW

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

>   It's a login for the connection, separate from your
> email account(s).

That's what I first assumed, but I have no idea where it lives on my
computer.  (I know where such logins live for the dial-up connections,
just not for DSL.)

> Check the FAQs at
> http://home.bellsouth.net/csbellsouth/s/s.dll?spage=cg/tool/dsl_homepage.htm
>
> and see if your modem/router is listed, and follow the directions there.

They're the same directions I got in e-mail.  They didn't help me find
where my login exists on my computer.  I guess I could simply reinstall
the software -- that somewhere in that process there might be a place to
give my login.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>

    You misspelled "deranged".

JMW

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Natalie,
You had to enter your logon information the first time you used your DSL
connection.  You probably had the option of saving that information and
it now gets used automatically every time you connect.  You will need to
find where it is stored and change it there.

Rita L.

Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Natalie Maynor writes,
>
>> Or am I overlooking something important here?
>
>
> Remember dial-up connections in the old days, where you needed a username
> and password to log on to the PPP connection?  Same thing here (unless
> you've got a higher-end static IP connection, in which case you don't
> have
> to change anything).  It's a login for the connection, separate from your
> email account(s).
>
> Check the FAQs at
> http://home.bellsouth.net/csbellsouth/s/s.dll?spage=cg/tool/dsl_homepage.htm
>
>
> and see if your modem/router is listed, and follow the directions there.
>
> Pete


--

Rita Leonard
Information Technology Systems Services
O'Neill Library 544
Phone:  617-552-3403
Email: rita.leonard@bc.edu

"Whether you believe you can do a thing
 or not, you are right."  Henry Ford

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>They didn't help me find where my login exists on my computer.

There's a good chance it's in your modem or router (which you'd access
through a web browser on your computer).

Do you have a router?  What kind?  (Linksys?)

Do you have a DSL modem?  What kind?

Pete

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He doesn't count, though, since he's a furriner -- or I assume he is --
one of Bob Hope's fellow countrymen:

***************
The dangers of national divinity scarcely require explanation.
Japan went to war in the 1930s convinced, like George Bush,
that it possessed a heaven-sent mission to "liberate" Asia and
extend the realm of its divine imperium. It would, the fascist
theoretician Kita Ikki predicted: "light the darkness of the entire
world". Those who seek to drag heaven down to earth are
destined only to engineer a hell.
***************
from: http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1007741,00.html

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Thanks to you both.  I have no control over the code that
makes it function with any particular browser, though --
that's Blogger.

Rita Leonard wrote:

> It looks great with Netscape 7.1.
>
> Rita L.
>
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>> Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>        Yup.  I've already got something up:
>>>        room219.blogspot.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It looks good if you're using IE.  With Netscape (4.7), the part that's
>> supposed to be on the left is at the bottom.
>>
>> --
>> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>>
>>
>
> --
>
> Rita Leonard
> Information Technology Systems Services
> O'Neill Library 544
> Phone:  617-552-3403
> Email: rita.leonard@bc.edu
>
> "Whether you believe you can do a thing
> or not, you are right."  Henry Ford
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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lisa alfieri wrote:

> >I never said her fears are imagined. The fears are real. It is how you live
> >your life and deal with the fears which exist. Some people drink or do
> >drugs, some go to therapy and some just deal. An anti- anxiety drug would
> >also help her deal with this problem.
>
> Alec you're being ridiculously presumptuous.
>
> Where do you get off  telling Natalie she needs therapy or anti-anxiety
> drugs? What qualifications do you have that allow you to diagnose her?

What I find amusing about it is that I have the feeling, though I don't
know for sure of course, that my general level of anxiety is lower than
average, not higher.  And the idea of dealing with "this problem"
strikes me as funny also.  I do not consider it a <problem> to be in
tune with what's going on in the world and to care about it.  I consider
ignorance a bigger problem -- like the Telecomm secretary Bush fan I've
talked about before who said that the federal deficit was Clinton's
fault -- that he had left office with the country horribly in debt -- or
like the poll-responders you read about who believe that the 9/11
hijackers were Iraqis -- etc.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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In a message dated 7/29/2003 4:27:45 PM Central Daylight Time, 
maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU writes:
<<
Ok, so BellSouth is <transitioning> to a higher capacity network and
tells me that I will be <transitioned> the week of August 11.  But I
keep getting these instructions (as in both in e-mail and in a telephone
message):

>>

"transitioning" sounds as if it would be a term for "dying" used in
a Logan's Run-type society.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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Tony Harminc wrote:

>  Didn't you get some sort of DSL-router box that sits between
> your computer and the DSL modem?

Yep.  I bought a router.

> If so, the logon stuff would be in there, and you
> probably access it through a browser (not necessarily IE, of course,
> and nothing to do with IE's configuration settings).

Hmm.  What do I go to via a browser?

I don't remember how I set up the router -- only that it was much more
of a bother than the modem was.  The modem was no bother at all.  I was
happy that the router didn't have to be redealt with a few weeks ago
when I had to reinstall the modem software for the replacement modem.
(For some reason they recommended reinstalling the software.  I did,
with no trouble, and was very happy that I didn't have to mess with the
router.  Everything worked fine.)

I have whatever info came with the router tucked away in a box of
computer stuff on a shelf.  Guess I'll need to pull it out.  This is
annoying timing since I have much to do this week to get ready to leave
at daybreak Sunday to head toward SC cemeteries.

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Rita Leonard wrote:
> You had to enter your logon information the first time you used your DSL
> connection.  You probably had the option of saving that information and
> it now gets used automatically every time you connect.  You will need to
> find where it is stored and change it there.

That's what I've been crawling all over the computer looking for.

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Do you have a router?  What kind?  (Linksys?)

Yes -- Linksys.  Interesting words matter -- I had always <parsed> that
as Linksy-s -- like the plural of one Linksy.  It just dawned on me that
it is surely Link-sys -- as in system.

> Do you have a DSL modem?  What kind?

I am intrigued by your question.  Is it possible to have DSL without
having a DSL modem?  Mine is a Westell Wirespeed.

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I looked in the Linksys info and found a url to go to:
http://192.168.1.1/.  I went there, and a little box popped up asking me
for id and password.  I tried the id and password I most often use, but
that didn't work.  I'm almost positive that I have never before gone to
that site or seen that little box.  The whole procedure looked and felt
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02003-07-29 | Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> writes:
> 7/29/2003, 12:35 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >> Thank you, my good man.  Your love, consideration, and true affection
> >> is appreciated more than you'll ever know.
>
> TS> No, please, it's YOUR consideration and love that I draw
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> Thank you.  I kiss you.

Enough ... I need to get my ass on the train now

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>I tried the id and password I most often use, but that didn't work.

Try leaving user blank and entering "admin" for password.

If you change settings, write down what the old ones were first, so you can
restore them if you have problems.

>I'm almost positive that I have never before gone to that site or seen
>that little box.

Yeah, it's possible the logon stuff wasn't required before.

Pete

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So, Natalie, what do you think is optimal in terms of sq ft? I have a few
things that you probably do not have at home - a full study, a full room
of bookcases full of books, exercise equipment, a piano, many paintings,
some quite large. But I own very little <standard> furniture.


Bethany

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02003-07-29 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> > An update on Roppongi Hills.  It seems to be going well:
> > <http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/newse/20030728wo12.htm>.
>
> Perfect for those who think elevated trains and seedy bars are ugly!

I was thinking so myself ... We have a lot in common, Dr Borkin.
This Roppongi thing looks great from a distance but it's very
possible it's not even slightly "urban" ... if you know what I
am saying. Roppongi Hills is ... an extraterrestrial suburb.

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I read farther in the router leaflet and found something about leaving
the userid blank and entering 'admin' for password.  That worked.  It
led me to another place, where I found "maynor43" -- which I added
@bellsouth.net to.  So all should be well now.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Try leaving user blank and entering "admin" for password.

:-)

You wanna know something weird, though?  When I was writing that note I
just sent -- about having solved the problem, a little box popped up
telling me that my DSL was not available.  I said, "Oh shit."  That has
never happened to me before except for when the modem was fried.  But I
went on and hit send and the message went.  And I just hit 'get mail'
and got my new mail.  Iow, everything is working fine, even though
there's a big red X through the DSL icon thing on the bottom of my
screen.  Way weird.  That red X isn't hurting me, though.  All is fine.

> If you change settings, write down what the old ones were first, so you can
> restore them if you have problems.

All I needed to do was add @bellsouth.net to my login.  That isn't the
kind of change that requires remembering the old setting.

Thanks for your help!!

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> Thanks to you both.  I have no control over the code that
> makes it function with any particular browser, though --
> that's Blogger.

That's one thing I don't like about Blogger.  I mean that general kind
of thing -- I'm not <advanced> enough to know how to control the code
for different browsers.  But I do feel a wee bit <boxed in> by Blogger.
Otoh, I've decided to stick with it because it's easy and I'm used to it
now.  (I did notice that some of my archives vanished -- I hadn't looked
at them until I was trying to find something to repost for some reason I
don't remember now -- yes I do, but it's not relevant to this posting --
it was the thing about the changing CBS website a while back.  Anyway, I
followed Blogger's instructions on how to find lost archives, but it
didn't work.  Don't really care.  Nobody, including me, is likely to be
interested very often in my archives.)  Still, though, I do feel more
comfortable in my own webspace than I do on blogspot.  I know how to
make things do what I want them to do in my own sphere -- at least to
the extent that my rudimentary web-weaving is capable of.

My blog also looks different in IE and Netscape (4.7), btw:  the
archives aren't listed at all in Netscape.  But that's the only
difference.  My lefthand stuff -- like the description of what the blog
is -- is sitting there on the left in both.

I just remembered something I meant to ask you:  Why can't you access
work e-mail at home and home e-mail at work?  I can think of reasons not
to do so, of course, but I got the impression you meant that it was
technically not possible.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> "transitioning" sounds as if it would be a term for "dying" used in
> a Logan's Run-type society.

Doesn't Time (or maybe Newsweek) use that term for its list of deaths of
famous people?  It is kind of scary that BellSouth warned me of the week
that my <transitioning> would take place and told me that it would be
between something like 10 p.m. and 6 a.m. and would take no more than a
couple of minutes.  But it didn't tell me which of those nights it will
be.  It's scary to know that you're going to be <transitioned> on one of
those nights without knowing which one.  I wish they'd <transition> me
the previous week since I will be out of town all that week.  I think it
might feel better to be <transitioned> when gone.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> So, Natalie, what do you think is optimal in terms of sq ft?  I have a few
> things that you probably do not have at home - a full study, a full room
> of bookcases full of books, exercise equipment, a piano, many paintings,
> some quite large. But I own very little <standard> furniture.

Approximately 1000-1500.  That's what I was hoping to find.  (This house
isn't huge, btw -- it's about 2000.  But that's 500 or more bigger than
I would prefer.)

I assume you mean optimal for me personally.  Different people have
different preferences on these matters.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:


> My blog also looks different in IE and Netscape (4.7), btw:  the
> archives aren't listed at all in Netscape.  But that's the only
> difference.  My lefthand stuff -- like the description of what the blog
> is -- is sitting there on the left in both.



Well, archives aren't too much of an issue for me -- nobody
cares what they did last month.


> I just remembered something I meant to ask you:  Why can't you access
> work e-mail at home and home e-mail at work?  I can think of reasons not
> to do so, of course, but I got the impression you meant that it was
> technically not possible.


I download my home email to read it.  I think there is a way
to read it on a web page; I remember having to delete
something that was stopping up the works one time that way,
but it was a very inefficient way to look at email, and not
really intended to be used regularly.  So, it is technically
possible, but not a good use of time.

I can't log into the school network at all from home, so it
is technically impossible.  They're doing some sort of
upgrades over the summer, so maybe that will change.  I hope
I got a new computer.  The one on my desk is so old it can't
even handle Word's spellcheck.

BTW, I thought of your opinions of ed skool today as I
signed up for my deadly sounding fall course (Philosophy of
Education).  The rest of this M.Ed. program is going to be a
total drag.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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I have apologized for all of you. I have a question--I am afraid
I have caffeinated myself a bit too much and am feeling a bit ...
strange. Na'mean? I do not need any comments about my age etc--all
I would like to know is how to reduce this feeling. Drink water?
Thank you.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> I download my home email to read it.  I think there is a way
> to read it on a web page; I remember having to delete
> something that was stopping up the works one time that way,
> but it was a very inefficient way to look at email, and not
> really intended to be used regularly.  So, it is technically
> possible, but not a good use of time.

I feel sure that your ISP has webmail.  Pretty much everybody does these
days.  But I agree with you that it is klutzy and inefficient.  I hate
it.  That's why I didn't check mail to my natalie@maynor.net address
during my travels.  Because mail to this address is on a different
server from the one I can telnet to -- the one where my website is, the
only way to get to it when traveling is via webmail.  I decided to <just
say no> to checking it when traveling.  I checked my Ra mail regularly
(via telnet) and ignored my natalie@maynor.net mail until my return.

> BTW, I thought of your opinions of ed skool today as I
> signed up for my deadly sounding fall course (Philosophy of
> Education).  The rest of this M.Ed. program is going to be a
> total drag.

I think I've said before that I've known some ok people related to ed
skools.  They're not all doofuses.  It's a shame that most are.  After
you finish the MEd program, which I think is a wise thing to do, I hope
you will consider getting an MFA or PhD or both.  Since your ability to
juggle a thousand things at the same time is amazing beyond words, I
know you could fit it in.  And I think you would be in hog heaven doing
so.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> you finish the MEd program, which I think is a wise thing to do, I hope
> you will consider getting an MFA or PhD or both.  Since your ability to
                                      ^^^
I assume it's obvious that I mean a PhD in English.  I just remembered
that ed skools, once they caught on that EdDs were looked down upon,
started calling them PhDs.  But they're the same thing.  (I speak with
first-hand experience, having served on gazillions of PhD committees for
the College of Ed.)  But, as I said, I'm sure you realized what I meant
since I doubt that you would think I was saying you would be in
hog-heaven working on a dissertation on something like the percentages
of whoevers who do whatever in going to wherever to study whatever.
(Actually, I read a good and interesting ed skool dissertation a few
years ago -- serving on the committee -- i.e., I didn't just decide to
read it for fun.  It was something about folk tales for children.  The
student was somebody I had taught years before that when she was getting
her MA in English.  She was a grad student in English while her
daughter, whom I also taught, was a grad student in German.  Kind of
neat.  I didn't teach the daughter German, I might add.  She was also
getting a TESOL certicate.  And I was on her M.A. exam committee.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Natalie Maynor wrote:


>>BTW, I thought of your opinions of ed skool today as I
>>signed up for my deadly sounding fall course (Philosophy of
>>Education).  The rest of this M.Ed. program is going to be a
>>total drag.
>>
>
> I think I've said before that I've known some ok people related to ed
> skools.  They're not all doofuses.  It's a shame that most are.  After
> you finish the MEd program, which I think is a wise thing to do, I hope
> you will consider getting an MFA or PhD or both.  Since your ability to
> juggle a thousand things at the same time is amazing beyond words, I
> know you could fit it in.  And I think you would be in hog heaven doing
> so.


I have 4 or 5 classes to go to finish the MEd, and it is
certainly wise for me to do so -- to the tune of about
$3,000 more a year in salary.  It's just that the rest of
the classes sound horrible.  I have had a few very good
instructors -- one can only hope.  I know who is teaching
this philosophy course, though -- his rep. is that he's an
easy A, but fun.

I will probably not do a PhD since dissertation writing
doesn't interest me, unless it was one of the new creative
writing PhD's.   After the MEd, I will probably juggle back
and forth between the MFA and a certificate in the teaching
of writing.

I just figured out how to do colors in html.  Now the blog
is starting to shape up.  I chose that orange since orange
and black are our school colors, but I thought the scheme
was pretty horrid; now I can make it look much better.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> my last name is sometimes (and in the south, often) a first name.

> I didn't realize it was more Southern than Northern.  I thought Kay (or
> Cay) was a common first name all over the country.  I think of it as
> unusual as a last name but quite common as a first name.

QED.

I seldom ran into this confusion in the north.

Karen

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:08:03 -0500
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
Subject: Adventures in birding
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This is cool:  if you use binoculars, suddenly you find way
more varities of birds in your backyard.  I saw a
hummingbird in the rose of sharon bushes, so I dragged out
the binoculars to get a closer look at it.  Well, then I
decided to look at all the bird feeders, too.  What I
thought were cardinals are actually purple finches (we have
plenty of cardinals, too).  And I ID'ed the sparrows as
Eurasian sparrows instead of the common type.  Ana and I
made a list of 8 different bird varieties today.  Thursday
we're going to take the bird guidebook and 'noculars down to
the conservation area and see what we find.  I am pretty
sure we'll see meadowlark, redwing blackbird, bobwhite
quail, and maybe those turkeys.

--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, John Williams wrote:
>     From Reuters on the rabbiting Texans:


>> Redistricting is being pushed by national Republican leaders to boost
>>  their narrow majority in Congress, but Democrats say the state should
>>  stick with its usual practice of redrawing congressional maps after the
>>  U.S. census every 10 years.
>>
>     "Pushed by Republicans"?

Isn't Tom Delay a Republican? No one in this district wants to be
redistricted--especially in such stupidass ways as they've come up
with so far.

>  "Its *usual* practice"?  I guess when you
> have an axe to grind you can't let the facts get between you and your
> whetstone.  Good gawd.

Hm. I'm pretty sure someone told me on this <service> that that was
the usual practice--in fact, I thought it was mandated by law.

Karen

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On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 18:23:42 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
wrote:

>I would like to know is how to reduce this feeling.


Sleep it off.

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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Dan Lester wrote:
>   I'm not agreeing with Alec's analysis at all, but his qualifications
>   are the same as those of 90 percent of the listmembers on 90 percent
>   of the topics discussed.  Basically, whatever they pull out of their
>   ass.

Hm. I'd say 50 percent of the of listmembers on 75% of topics.

Karen

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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>>I didn't realize it was more Southern than Northern.  I thought Kay (or
>>Cay) was a common first name all over the country.  I think of it as
>>unusual as a last name but quite common as a first name.

> To me, it is only a middle name.

> Bethany Kay Dumas

This is another aspect. 'Karen Kay what?'

Karen

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> I will probably not do a PhD since dissertation writing
> doesn't interest me, unless it was one of the new creative
> writing PhD's.

New?  Oh -- I bet you mean new there.  My department is full of people
with PhDs in CW, from long ago.  We have one with just an MFA because we
wrote that job ad for somebody we wanted to stay here -- somebody who
had been here in a Grisham slot (some CW slots that were funded by John
Grisham).  He didn't have a PhD.  But we lost him because of an
unfortunate timing problem.  It was ok, though, since we ended up with
somebody very good in that MFA position.

>  After the MEd, I will probably juggle back
> and forth between the MFA and a certificate in the teaching
> of writing.

That sounds good.

> I just figured out how to do colors in html.  Now the blog
> is starting to shape up.  I chose that orange since orange
> and black are our school colors, but I thought the scheme
> was pretty horrid; now I can make it look much better.

Hmm.  I should explore colors on blogspot.  I know how to do colors on
my regular websites, though I can't remember off the top of my head -- I
have to consult a chart -- and I rarely bother with it.  But I hadn't
thought about that re blogspot.  I could do something like use red for
<very special alerts>.  I don't do <very special alerts>, though.  The
only time I ever even used bold was my July 4 - related addition, added
in late June and saying that the blog wouldn't be updated until whenever
(post-Acadiafest).  After saying whatever it was I said about thinking
on July 4, I added a centered, bold "PEACE IS PATRIOTIC" thing.  It
would've been nice in red.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I seldom ran into this confusion in the north.

I am saying to myself over and over "Farrell O'Gorman" -- to get it into
my head -- it's the name of a new faculty member arriving any day now.
The problem is that he has two last names -- sort of like you have two
first names.  I have to concentrate on whether it's Gorman O'Farrell or
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Karen Kay wrote:

> > To me, it is only a middle name.
>
> > Bethany Kay Dumas
>
> This is another aspect. 'Karen Kay what?'

I thought that Kay/Cay was normally a nickname for Katherine/Catherine
-- like Kathy/Cathy.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >  "Its *usual* practice"?  I guess when you
> > have an axe to grind you can't let the facts get between you and your
> > whetstone.  Good gawd.
>
> Hm. I'm pretty sure someone told me on this <service> that that was
> the usual practice--in fact, I thought it was mandated by law.

I didn't say anything in response to JMW because I am not at all on top
of the Texas goings-on.  But I will say now that it was also my
understanding that the redistricting was normally done every ten years
-- related to the census.  I know that's what happens here, but I was
pretty sure it was also what happens in Texas.  As I said, I'm not on
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Isn't Tom Delay a Republican?

    Yea, so?

> No one in this district wants to be
> redistricted--especially in such stupidass ways as they've come up
> with so far.

    Are you in that [proposed] gerrymandered anaconda distict that stretches
from Austin to MacAllen?

> Hm. I'm pretty sure someone told me on this <service> that that was
> the usual practice--in fact, I thought it was mandated by law.

    Only that darned old Constitution.

JMW

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I didn't say anything in response to JMW because I am not at all on top
> of the Texas goings-on.

    Well, THAT is a first on this <service>!

> But I will say now that it was also my
> understanding that the redistricting was normally done every ten years
> -- related to the census.

    Move to the head of the class.

> I know that's what happens here, but I was
> pretty sure it was also what happens in Texas.  As I said, I'm not on
> top of that story enough to speak with <wisdom>.

    There's always that old bugbear of "interstate flight to avoid
prosecution", but what I find interesting is that what the fleeing Texas
legislators want to do is illegal to start with.  (Miller v/s Johnson, 1965)*

JMW

* took me whole 20 seconds

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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         Yup.  I've already got something up:
>         room219.blogspot.com

For some reason, the thought of you as Mrs. Chapman cracks me up. (But
I'm still having trouble reconciling Paul as a grandfather, even
though I saw all 4 generations together.)

But I do think it looks good--and you're right, it will hit the
parents who look at it exactly right, I think.

Karen

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>
> legislators want to do is illegal to start with.  (Miller v/s Johnson, 1965)*

    1995.  (dammit)

JMW

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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> > To me, it is only a middle name.
>>
>> > Bethany Kay Dumas
>>
>> This is another aspect. 'Karen Kay what?'

> I thought that Kay/Cay was normally a nickname for Katherine/Catherine
> -- like Kathy/Cathy.

No.

I have never seen Cay, other than as a geographical feature.

Karen

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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, John Williams wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> Isn't Tom Delay a Republican?

>     Yea, so?

This is his doing.

>> No one in this district wants to be
>> redistricted--especially in such stupidass ways as they've come up
>> with so far.

>     Are you in that [proposed] gerrymandered anaconda distict that stretches
> from Austin to MacAllen?

I live in Austin. If Tom Delay gets his way, Austin will be split up.
This is Just Wrong.

>> Hm. I'm pretty sure someone told me on this <service> that that was
>> the usual practice--in fact, I thought it was mandated by law.

>     Only that darned old Constitution.

Well, then, what's your problem? You should be opposed to this fucking
waste of money, too, then.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        Yup.  I've already got something up:
>>        room219.blogspot.com
>>
>
> For some reason, the thought of you as Mrs. Chapman cracks me up. (But
> I'm still having trouble reconciling Paul as a grandfather, even
> though I saw all 4 generations together.)


        Me, too :).  I think of it as my alter ego.


> But I do think it looks good--and you're right, it will hit the
> parents who look at it exactly right, I think.


        Thank you very much.  I just finished messing with the
colors, so I think I can put this to bed until September.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, John Williams wrote:
>     There's always that old bugbear of "interstate flight to avoid
> prosecution", but what I find interesting is that what the fleeing Texas
> legislators want to do is illegal to start with.  (Miller v/s Johnson, 1965)*

> JMW

> * took me whole 20 seconds

I'm not looking it up. If you want to discuss it, explain it.

I have yet to meet *any* Austin resident opposed to what the Democrats
are doing.

Karen

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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>>        Yup.  I've already got something up:
>>>        room219.blogspot.com
>>>
>>
>> For some reason, the thought of you as Mrs. Chapman cracks me up. (But
>> I'm still having trouble reconciling Paul as a grandfather, even
>> though I saw all 4 generations together.)


>         Me, too :).  I think of it as my alter ego.

LOL. Yes, one would have to.

>> But I do think it looks good--and you're right, it will hit the
>> parents who look at it exactly right, I think.


>         Thank you very much.  I just finished messing with the
> colors, so I think I can put this to bed until September.

YaY!:)

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> "Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
>>So, Natalie, what do you think is optimal in terms of sq ft?  I have a few
>>things that you probably do not have at home - a full study, a full room
>>of bookcases full of books, exercise equipment, a piano, many paintings,
>>some quite large. But I own very little <standard> furniture.
>>
>
> Approximately 1000-1500.  That's what I was hoping to find.  (This house
> isn't huge, btw -- it's about 2000.  But that's 500 or more bigger than
> I would prefer.)


        That sounds about right.  This house is 2000 sq. feet, and I
rarely two whole rooms even with three of us.  If I bought
another house, I definitely wouldn't go any bigger, that's
for sure.




--
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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         That sounds about right.  This house is 2000 sq. feet, and I
> rarely two whole rooms even with three of us.  If I bought
> another house, I definitely wouldn't go any bigger, that's
> for sure.

Uhhhhhhh... Okay.

I think you need a few more words in the middle somewhere.

Karen

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        UMSL sends these out when there's an assault or rape on campus.

        None of those offenses seem like enough to hold him in my
experience, so they're letting you know that a registered
sex offender is hanging around on campus.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

> This is apparently something new -- the MSU Police Department's "Timely
> Warning Notification."  Do others of you at universities have this kind
> of e-mail?  It seems weird to me.  If they got him, why do I need to
> read this?  What am I being warned of?
>
>
>>Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 16:28:17 -0500 (CDT)
>>From: MSU Police Department <police@saffairs.msstate.edu>
>>To: null-address@msstate.edu
>>Subject: Timely Warning Notification
>>
>>AUTHORIZED-BY: Chief of MSU Police Tom Johnson
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>The Mississippi State University Police Department arrested a subject
>>identified as Eddie Parks on Sunday, July 20, 2003. Officers were
>>responding to a suspicious person call when they observed a man fitting
>>the description driving away from the area. The man, later identified
>>as Parks, refused to yield to officers blue lights and sirens.
>>Officers followed Parks to a residence on Sixteen Section Road where he
>>was arrested after he initially resisted officers. Parks is charged
>>with Driving while License Suspended, Switched Tag on Vehicle, No Proof
>>of Insurance, Failure to Yield to Blue Lights and Careless Driving.
>>Parks is a registered sex offender in Tennessee for the offense of
>>Sexual Battery.  Parks also has an extensive arrest history and has
>>been involved in several incidents on campus.
>>
>>
>


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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        That sounds about right.  This house is 2000 sq. feet, and I
>>rarely two whole rooms even with three of us.  If I bought
>>another house, I definitely wouldn't go any bigger, that's
>>for sure.
>>
>
> Uhhhhhhh... Okay.
>
> I think you need a few more words in the middle somewhere.


        Whoops.  Am I back to doing that again?  Oh well.



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My <anxiety level> is greatly reduced now that the DSL matter has been
solved -- although I am still fascinated by the fact that the icon and
the DSL info stuff is telling me that I have no DSL connectivity.
Obviously I do.  All is well.  Anyway, thanks for the responses.  I will
be less likely to need anxiety-reducing drugs tonight, knowing that I
have taken care of this matter.

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John Williams wrote:

> > But I will say now that it was also my
> > understanding that the redistricting was normally done every ten years
> > -- related to the census.
>
>     Move to the head of the class.

You've lost me.  What I read in your earlier posting was some kind of
derision that somebody was saying that the every-ten-year thing, related
to the census, was the usual procedure.  You seemed to be saying that
that wasn't the case -- something about ignoring facts.  Now you seem to
be saying that it is indeed a fact -- that what the story you seemed to
be refuting said is true.

So is it or isn't it a fact that the usual time for redistricting is
every ten years, related to the census years?  And if it is a fact, then
what was your quibble with the news article you posted?  I am mightily
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This is apparently something new -- the MSU Police Department's "Timely
Warning Notification."  Do others of you at universities have this kind
of e-mail?  It seems weird to me.  If they got him, why do I need to
read this?  What am I being warned of?

> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 16:28:17 -0500 (CDT)
> From: MSU Police Department <police@saffairs.msstate.edu>
> To: null-address@msstate.edu
> Subject: Timely Warning Notification
>
> AUTHORIZED-BY: Chief of MSU Police Tom Johnson
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The Mississippi State University Police Department arrested a subject
> identified as Eddie Parks on Sunday, July 20, 2003. Officers were
> responding to a suspicious person call when they observed a man fitting
> the description driving away from the area. The man, later identified
> as Parks, refused to yield to officers blue lights and sirens.
> Officers followed Parks to a residence on Sixteen Section Road where he
> was arrested after he initially resisted officers. Parks is charged
> with Driving while License Suspended, Switched Tag on Vehicle, No Proof
> of Insurance, Failure to Yield to Blue Lights and Careless Driving.
> Parks is a registered sex offender in Tennessee for the offense of
> Sexual Battery.  Parks also has an extensive arrest history and has
> been involved in several incidents on campus.
>

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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>>        That sounds about right.  This house is 2000 sq. feet, and I
>>>rarely two whole rooms even with three of us.  If I bought
>>>another house, I definitely wouldn't go any bigger, that's
>>>for sure.
>>>
>>
>> Uhhhhhhh... Okay.
>>
>> I think you need a few more words in the middle somewhere.


>         Whoops.  Am I back to doing that again?  Oh well.

Must be a poem.:)

"I rarely two whole rooms"...

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I thought that Kay/Cay was normally a nickname for Katherine/Catherine
> > -- like Kathy/Cathy.
>
> No.
>
> I have never seen Cay, other than as a geographical feature.

The Cays I've known had as their <official> names Catherine.  The Kays
I've know had as their <official> names Katherine.  I've known far more
Kays than Cays.  But then I've known more Katherines than Catherines and
more Kathys than Cathys.  And I don't know what the Kate counterpart is
for a Catherine.  I can't remember ever knowing a Cate.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > Approximately 1000-1500.  That's what I was hoping to find.  (This house
> > isn't huge, btw -- it's about 2000.  But that's 500 or more bigger than
> > I would prefer.)
>
>         That sounds about right.  This house is 2000 sq. feet, and I
> rarely two whole rooms even with three of us.  If I bought
> another house, I definitely wouldn't go any bigger, that's
> for sure.

I think that 2000 wouldn't seem too big with three people.  But it
definitely does for one person.

I don't think I remembered to say in my earlier posting that of the list
of items Bethany mentioned that she said I probably didn't have, the
only one I saw that I don't have is exercise equipment -- except that I
do have somewhere (in the storage bldg?  under the bed?  can't remember)
a fake Nordic Track thing.  And, of course, I still have a really super
racing bike that I should have sold many years ago when somebody was
trying to buy it from me, but I just couldn't -- I won lots of trophies
on that bike.  I do have all of the other stuff she mentioned, except
that I'm not sure what a "full study" means exactly.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         None of those offenses seem like enough to hold him in my
> experience, so they're letting you know that a registered
> sex offender is hanging around on campus.

Ah so.  That makes sense, I guess.  I feel <distanced> from the campus
police now that the person I knew well is no longer chief.  I don't even
know who the current chief is.  I had a long and pleasant conversation
with the previous one in Walmart a month or two ago.  We talked about
the joys of retirement and about how we were both still working, I on
campus, he in some kind of something in Aberdeen.

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>The Cays I've known had as their <official> names Catherine.  The Kays
>I've know had as their <official> names Katherine.

Kay only as a name unto itself, here, and never Cay.

>I can't remember ever knowing a Cate.

Cate Blanchett is a fairly well-known movie actress
<http://www.imdb.com/Name?Blanchett,+Cate>.

Pete

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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> John Williams wrote:

>> > But I will say now that it was also my
>> > understanding that the redistricting was normally done every ten years
>> > -- related to the census.
>>
>>     Move to the head of the class.

> You've lost me.  What I read in your earlier posting was some kind of
> derision that somebody was saying that the every-ten-year thing, related
> to the census, was the usual procedure.  You seemed to be saying that
> that wasn't the case -- something about ignoring facts.  Now you seem to
> be saying that it is indeed a fact -- that what the story you seemed to
> be refuting said is true.

> So is it or isn't it a fact that the usual time for redistricting is
> every ten years, related to the census years?  And if it is a fact, then
> what was your quibble with the news article you posted?  I am mightily
> confused.

His point, dull though it is, is that it's not just *custom*, it's
mandated by the Constitution. He hasn't done anything to explain why
it's okay to waste $4 badly-needed million at the whim of the
governor, though.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> His point, dull though it is,

    The Law is like that.

> is that it's not just *custom*, it's
> mandated by the Constitution.

    Yep.

> He hasn't done anything to explain why
> it's okay to waste $4 badly-needed million at the whim of the
> governor, though.

    You really need to take that up with the eleven scofflaws hiding out in
Albuquerque.  Ask them why its okay.

JMW

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On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>on that bike.  I do have all of the other stuff she mentioned, except
>that I'm not sure what a "full study" means exactly.

2 desks, 2 computers, the bookcases that will not fit into the room that
is full of bookcases (a library, I suppose), a desk chair, some tables
that hold printer, scanner, etc. Lots of huge notebooks (from court
cases), qnd filing cabinets plus a few legal size boxes full of files.

Bethany

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > So is it or isn't it a fact that the usual time for redistricting is
> > every ten years, related to the census years?  And if it is a fact, then
> > what was your quibble with the news article you posted?  I am mightily
> > confused.
>
> His point, dull though it is, is that it's not just *custom*, it's
> mandated by the Constitution. He hasn't done anything to explain why
> it's okay to waste $4 badly-needed million at the whim of the
> governor, though.

I think I need to turn off the computer for the night and read this
again in the morning, my more-alert time of day.  I'm still quite lost.
My (admittedly not on-top-of-it) understanding of the Texas goings-on
was that the Republicans, led my DeLay, were pushing for this sudden,
odd-time redistricting and that the Democrats were rebelling on good
grounds -- that it was not the right year -- that this stuff was
supposed to happen at the designated once-every-ten-years.  What I'm
confused about is how JMW seems to be saying that the objection of the
Democrats is wrong -- that it's fine for it to happen now -- but that
the Constitution says it's wrong for it to happen now.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> What I'm confused about is how JMW seems to be saying that the
> objection of the Democrats is wrong -- that it's fine for it to
> happen now -- but that the Constitution says it's wrong for it to
> happen now.

He can't be saying that.

Karen

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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, John Williams wrote:
>     You really need to take that up with the eleven scofflaws hiding out in
> Albuquerque.  Ask them why its okay.

Um, they didn't call TWO special sessions to ram through legislation
that couldn't pass.

Karen

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02003-07-29 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Dan Lester wrote:
> >   I'm not agreeing with Alec's analysis at all, but his qualifications
> >   are the same as those of 90 percent of the listmembers on 90 percent
> >   of the topics discussed.  Basically, whatever they pull out of their
> >   ass.
>
> Hm. I'd say 50 percent of the of listmembers on 75% of topics.

I have serious doubts about your powers of estimation,
but feel free to have it your way.

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02003-07-29 | mem <mem@LAVA.NET> writes:
> On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 18:23:42 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> wrote:
>
> >I would like to know is how to reduce this feeling.
>
> Sleep it off.

You are a very kind and thoughtful man, MEM.

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> "I rarely two whole rooms"...
>
> Karen

And Anyone lived in a pretty how town, with up so floating many bells down.

--Adam
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hoping he remembered correctly

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Adam Hartfield writes,

>hoping he remembered correctly

Good except for the capital "a"! ;-)

Pete

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> I have apologized for all of you. I have a question--I am afraid
> I have caffeinated myself a bit too much and am feeling a bit ...
> strange. Na'mean? I do not need any comments about my age etc--all
> I would like to know is how to reduce this feeling. Drink water?
> Thank you.

I would take a short swim and drink a large mango lassi.

If I could.

Maybe take a shower or bath and eat a carton of yoghurt instead?

Ann

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> I simply prefer the feeling of living in smaller quarters.  I'd rather
> not have my life spread out over lots of space.

I'll offer again: let's trade domiciles!

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net
sick of being cramped

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>I will probably not do a PhD since dissertation writing
>>doesn't interest me, unless it was one of the new creative
>>writing PhD's.
>>
>
> New?  Oh -- I bet you mean new there.  My department is full of people
> with PhDs in CW, from long ago.  We have one with just an MFA because we
> wrote that job ad for somebody we wanted to stay here -- somebody who
> had been here in a Grisham slot (some CW slots that were funded by John
> Grisham).  He didn't have a PhD.  But we lost him because of an
> unfortunate timing problem.  It was ok, though, since we ended up with
> somebody very good in that MFA position.


That reminds me.  When do they mail out The Jabberwock, do
you know off-hand?


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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02003-07-29 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > I have apologized for all of you. I have a question--I am afraid
> > I have caffeinated myself a bit too much and am feeling a bit ...
> > strange. Na'mean? I do not need any comments about my age etc--all
> > I would like to know is how to reduce this feeling. Drink water?
> > Thank you.
>
> I would take a short swim and drink a large mango lassi.

Sounds like "Bollywood" copy on the J Peterman site ... though
I would not mind a large lassi right now ...

> If I could.
>
> Maybe take a shower or bath and eat a carton of yoghurt instead?

Your posts are enough for me to feel better ... thank you,
and please drive through!

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> Your posts are enough for me to feel better ...
> thank you,
> and please drive through!

Drink three large mango lassis, and you will no longer
notice the effects of the caffeine.


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On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:46:28 -0500, Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
wrote:

>This is apparently something new -- the MSU Police Department's "Timely
>Warning Notification."  Do others of you at universities have this kind
>of e-mail?  It seems weird to me.  If they got him, why do I need to
>read this?  What am I being warned of?
>
>> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 16:28:17 -0500 (CDT)
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>> To: null-address@msstate.edu
>> Subject: Timely Warning Notification
>>

Br Paul and I get them at SU.
clo

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On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:33:18 -0700, Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> wrote:

>> I have apologized for all of you. I have a question--I am afraid
>> I have caffeinated myself a bit too much and am feeling a bit ...
>> strange. Na'mean? I do not need any comments about my age etc--all
>> I would like to know is how to reduce this feeling. Drink water?
>> Thank you.
>
>I would take a short swim and drink a large mango lassi.
>
>If I could.
>
>Maybe take a shower or bath and eat a carton of yoghurt instead?

Sorry I wasn't online earlier; I have done this often, when I was
unemployed and lived near The Beanery with its $.75 Mainliner Special (all
you could drink of the coffee of the day). I daren't mention the locale for
fear of being shoshanized again...

For future episodes, should they occur:

First, actually check your pulse. It doesn't hurt to be safe.

It can be truly spooky if your hands are shaking and your heart is racing.

Water is not a bad suggestion. Chamomile or vervain tea wouldn't be a bad
thing either. I wouldn't go for alcohol personally... being a shaky drunk
isn't all that appealing to me.

More immediately, try deep breathing, and concentrating on something that
you like doing, something repetitive but requiring attention. The best
example that comes to mind is kneading bread, which I fear would not appeal
to you. Try taking a walk, but force yourself to pace yourself; don't make
it a race. If you do yoga at all, that would be a good thing.

If all else fails, the bed suggestion isn't a bad one, if you aren't too
wired; at least you can't be running around talking a mile a minute or
eating sweets or redoing your budget or doing any other clever thing that
will raise your heartbeat even higher, while you are lying <quietly> in
bed. Try writing. What you write probably won't make that much sense later
(my own experience, anyway), but it will occupy you nicely.

And like the horoscope often says, "avoid making important decisions about
serious relationships today".

Hope it felt better quickly.
clo

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By the way, it is an enchanting poem which I'd not read before, Adam --
thank you.

Here are readings and other links I collected (including a Russian
translation!):

anyone lived in a pretty how town (1940), E. E. Cummings
<http://www.poets.org/poems/poems.cfm?prmID=1185>

A Reading in Three Acts - Almost Anyone's Response to e.e. cummings
<http://www.epcc.edu/faculty/joeo/any_0.htm>

The Inventory - Using the Inventory to Crack a Text
<http://www.epcc.edu/faculty/joeo/invent_0.htm>

Never Say "Nevers"
<http://tinablue.homestead.com/nevers.html>

Inside The Poem
<http://plagiarist.com/articles/?artid=11>

Close reading
<http://www.belmont.edu/Humanities/literature/Cummings/eeclose.htm>

Corn and Creativity: The Paradoxes of E. E. Cummings
<http://www.gvsu.edu/english/cummings/issue3/Turco3.html>

On "anyone lived in a pretty how town"
<http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/poets/a_f/cummings/howtown.htm>

"anyone lived in a pretty how town" essay
<http://www.123student.com/english/1206.shtml>

Analysis in Finnish by Tero Valkonen, good print bibliography (including
one Bethany K. Dumas :-)
<http://www.helsinki.fi/~tvalkone/prosem.html>

(Analysis in English formerly at
<http://www.helsinki.fi/~tvalkone/cumeng.html> has been taken down but can
be retrieved from archive.org.)

Russian translation by Yakov Feldman
<http://members.tripod.com/poetry_pearls/Poets/cummings.htm#koi>

George Lucas' short film interpretation
<http://cinema-tv.usc.edu/Archives/lucas/anyone.html>

Pete

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >on that bike.  I do have all of the other stuff she mentioned, except
> >that I'm not sure what a "full study" means exactly.
>
> 2 desks, 2 computers, the bookcases that will not fit into the room that
> is full of bookcases (a library, I suppose), a desk chair, some tables
> that hold printer, scanner, etc. Lots of huge notebooks (from court
> cases), qnd filing cabinets plus a few legal size boxes full of files.

I don't have a room dedicated to all of those things together.  I have
them divided between this room and my junkroom (plus the books in all
rooms, though the majority are in the junkroom and along the longish
hall).  Re books, I love my two old bookcases as pretty furniture, but I
find that bookshelves will accommodate more books than bookcases -- or
rather bookshelves take up less room than bookcases.  Most of my books
are on shelves.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > What I'm confused about is how JMW seems to be saying that the
> > objection of the Democrats is wrong -- that it's fine for it to
> > happen now -- but that the Constitution says it's wrong for it to
> > happen now.
>
> He can't be saying that.

That's why I was confused.  I thought that first posting on the subject
was expressing unhappiness that this event was occurring -- iow, that he
was in agreement with the Democrats.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> > I simply prefer the feeling of living in smaller quarters.  I'd rather
> > not have my life spread out over lots of space.
>
> I'll offer again: let's trade domiciles!

If you'll send your apartment down this way, I would love it.  Its
current setting would be too cold in winter.  I do like the size and
configuration of your apartment very much.  It's nice and cozy.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> That reminds me.  When do they mail out The Jabberwock, do
> you know off-hand?

I don't have any idea.  If I'm inside Lee Hall today, I'll ask the
secretaries.

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Just thought of another reason I like small houses:  less cost of things
like repainting/reroofing.

But the thunder is now right outside my window.  Need to turn off the
computer, alas.  Don't want to have another fried modem.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > But, although this must be asked before -- do you pronounce schwa or [i]
> > in the second syllables of both your name and Karsten's?
>
> Schwa

Good -- for that's what I thought.

> > And, I've always thought that'd be revealed at some time by a context, but
> > it wouldn't clearly enough (for me): how are you related to Karsten?
>
> Not at all.

8-o . you must be kidding... Even your first names are somewhat related! OK,
since you say so it seems it'd be just wise and right thing  to believe you.
Thanks for the information.

Kristin

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7/29/2003, 4:53 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

NM> I just remembered something I meant to ask you:  Why can't you access
NM> work e-mail at home and home e-mail at work?  I can think of reasons not
NM> to do so, of course, but I got the impression you meant that it was
NM> technically not possible.

In some environments it isn't possible.  Gail had to jump through all
sorts of hoops to get work email at home when she was at HP.  Network
security issues.  At A.G. Edwards it isn't possible at all. Policy on
security forbids it.

At HP she could access home email at work, as they didn't care about
that.  At Edwards it is forbidden, and blocked by policy on the
network.  Same way she can't go to Ebay, espn, and a host of other
places that would be considered "recreational" or whatever.  AGE also
has tight controls on content of email and websites, going in and out.


dan

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7/29/2003, 5:44 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

NM> I assume it's obvious that I mean a PhD in English.  I just remembered
NM> that ed skools, once they caught on that EdDs were looked down upon,
NM> started calling them PhDs.  But they're the same thing.  (I speak with
NM> first-hand experience, having served on gazillions of PhD committees for
NM> the College of Ed.)

In my experience, many offer both.  The difference is basically
whether one does a full blown dissertation, or whether one does some
sort of "applied research project" and does a report on that, usually
shorter, without the full academic rigor.

dan

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7/29/2003, 7:09 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

NM> I think that 2000 wouldn't seem too big with three people.  But it
NM> definitely does for one person.

Gail and I find that 2100 is just right for us.  But we have lots of
"stuff", too, though less than we used to.


dan

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tushar Samant
>Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 7:24 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>I have apologized for all of you. I have a question--I am afraid
>I have caffeinated myself a bit too much and am feeling a bit ...
>strange. Na'mean? I do not need any comments about my age etc--all
>I would like to know is how to reduce this feeling. Drink water?
>Thank you.
>

Deep breaths.


alec

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Washing machne help sought:

I try to change the sealing tube on our washing machine. I managed to get
the old one out and believe I understand pretty well how the new one should
be mounted. (This is a front loading machine). But it seems to me that
there is some kind of small trick needed to manage to fix the sealing tube
on the inside. As far as I understand I have to try to get it to stick
around a metal edge which is just a little small compared to the
circumference of the tube (this helps it keep tight, I guess) and then
close a metal string around it to keep it in place. The problem for me is
that the metal edge and the tube are not formet so that I can snap the tube
on - instead it gets off in the other side when I try to get it in place at
one place. In a way this is similar to trying to get the cover on a kayak
cockpit. has anyone here done this? (The washing machhine thing, not the
kayak thing)

Espen

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02003-07-30 | "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> writes:
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: English Language Discussion Group
> >[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tushar Samant
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 7:24 PM
> >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >Subject: Caffeine overload
> >
> >
> >I have apologized for all of you. I have a question--I am afraid
> >I have caffeinated myself a bit too much and am feeling a bit ...
> >strange. Na'mean? I do not need any comments about my age etc--all
> >I would like to know is how to reduce this feeling. Drink water?
> >Thank you.
> >
>
> Deep breaths.

Thank you, Alec.

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7/30/2003, 7:58 AM, Espen S. Ore wrote:

ESO> The problem for me is
ESO> that the metal edge and the tube are not formet so that I can snap the tube
ESO> on - instead it gets off in the other side when I try to get it in place at
ESO> one place. In a way this is similar to trying to get the cover on a kayak
ESO> cockpit. has anyone here done this? (The washing machhine thing, not the
ESO> kayak thing)

If I'm understanding correctly, the "sealing tube" is what I'd call a
"gasket".  I understand that it is a rubber or plastic tube that goes
in a track and has to be held in.  Yes, I'm sure it is like the cover
on a food storage container, or a kayak cockpit cover, or even getting
an innertube into a bicycle tire.  One "corner" wants to always pop
out or pop off.  The best I've ever done on those things is to have
about six hands.  In some cases, literally four or six hands, so that
it can be held in place by five hands while the sixth forces the last
part to do what it is supposed to do.

Of course the high priced washing machine repair person may have some
special trick or tool to help with this, but you won't get that for
free....either the tool or the advice.

dan

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I had an <anxious> moment when I thought maybe I hadn't turned the
computer off soon enough and that I had another fried modem.  The DSL
wasn't working when I turned the computer back on.  But then I
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At 06:23 PM 7/29/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>I have apologized for all of you. I have a question--I am afraid
>I have caffeinated myself a bit too much and am feeling a bit ...
>strange. Na'mean? I do not need any comments about my age etc--all
>I would like to know is how to reduce this feeling. Drink water?
>Thank you.

It's so hard for me to tell when you're serious. I'm going to take a gamble
and answer this as if it were a real question.

I hate when I OD on caffeine. It's an awful feeling. If it happens at while
I'm at home I usually try to go for a run. If I'm at work, I try to eat
something.

lisa

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http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101030804-471198,00.html


Karen

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 2:05 PM
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>http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101030804-471198,00.html
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>>Karen
>

A reason I like doing deskside support. It would be very hard to do away the
location.


alec

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On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: English Language Discussion Group
>>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>>Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 2:05 PM
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>>Subject: Jobs moving overseas
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>>http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101030804-471198,00.html
>>
>>>Karen
>>

> A reason I like doing deskside support. It would be very hard to do away the
> location.

But not the function.

You have been warned.

Karen

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There's an interesting new book just out - _E. E. Cummings_ in the Bloom's
Major Poets Series (Chelsea House, 2003).  Much of it consists of excerpts
from published articles and books. There are a couple of pages from my
1974 book - on C's use of traditional meter (pp. 50-52 in the new book).

Bethany

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And it has some good points.....though on the edge...

http://www.internetisshit.org/index.html

Dan Lester, Boise, ID  honu@gailndan.com  www.gailndan.com/lapband
Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana, 4/28/03
323/257/222

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At 01:39 PM 7/30/2003 -0600, Dan Lester wrote:
>And it has some good points.....though on the edge...
>
>http://www.internetisshit.org/index.html

nice.  thanks.

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7/29/2003, 2:46 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

NM> Dan Lester wrote:

>> Agree.  That's a big part of why I asked what she was afraid of, and
>> which I'm still hoping to hear about, as per a message of an hour or
>> so ago.

NM> I get the feeling that you're talking about some kind of personal
NM> fears.  I don't have any particular fears of threats to me individually
NM> -- or at least no more than most normal people have.  What I fear is the
NM> damage being done to the country I love, with ramifications for the
NM> world.

Not to minimize your fears, but I think most Americans are/were much
more concerned about something that was immediate and fatal, like
annihilation by nuclear war, than they are about the vague and far
away possibilities you are afraid of.  Maybe it is like the story
(apocryphal?) about putting the frog in water and bringing it to a
boil, as opposed to tossing him into already boiling water.

dan

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7/30/2003, 2:31 PM, Paul Barfoot wrote:

PB> On the other hand, I think most Americans are more concerned about something immediate
PB> and fatal like a terrorist bombing than about something vague and far away like the
PB> threat of nuclear war.

No argument.  I was trying to compare the ca. 1962 fear of nuclear war
with the more generalized, far away fears that Natalie expresses
(global warming, economy, etc.).  Most folks only fear the NOW, not
the "after I'm dead".  That doesn't make Natalie wrong, just different
from the majority.

dan

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On the other hand, I think most Americans are more concerned about something immediate and fatal like a terrorist bombing than about something vague and far away like the threat of nuclear war.
 
BrP
 
 
 
 
 

>>> dan@GAILNDAN.COM 07/30/03 04:26PM >>>
7/29/2003, 2:46 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

Not to minimize your fears, but I think most Americans are/were much
more concerned about something that was immediate and fatal, like
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away possibilities you are afraid of.  Maybe it is like the story
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dan

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7/29/2003, 2:37 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

NM> Dan Lester wrote:

>> >> If so, what is/are the specific threat(s)?
>>
>> NM> They are many.  No time right now to go through every specific.
>>
>> I'd be interested in a few when you have a few moments.

NM> Ok, here are a few:

NM> Threat to democracy:  King George and his cronies' repeated lies about
NM> life-threatening matters.

Well, as you know, there is a wide divergence of opinion about these
"repeated lies".  There are certainly many who do NOT think they
are/were lies.  If you want lies, go back to the last president and
his "I never had sex with that woman" bullshit.

NM> Threat to world order/peace:  King G and his cronies' flagrant
NM> violations of international law.

Oh?  Again, widely subject to interpretation, and the idea that there
even IS such a thing as international law.

NM> Threat to future life on earth:  King G and his cronies' ignoring of
NM> global warming and other environment concerns.

Again, there are many who say that global warming, if it indeed
exists, is a normal variation in climate.  We know that there have
been global "warmings" and "coolings" many times in the past, both
regionally and worldwide.  Many can not be explained by volcanoes or
meteors.  And that was way before man was around in most cases.  Where
man was around, some campfires didn't cause global warming either.

NM> Threat to the economic future of hard-working Americans:  King G and his
NM> cronies' padding the pockets of rich friends and incurring staggering
NM> debts that threaten to cripple the country.

Do you feel crippled?


dan

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Dan Lester wrote:

> NM> Threat to democracy:  King George and his cronies' repeated lies about
> NM> life-threatening matters.
>
> Well, as you know, there is a wide divergence of opinion about these
> "repeated lies".  There are certainly many who do NOT think they
> are/were lies.

And there are people who think that the ocean that touches the east
coast of the U.S. is the Pacific.  And there are people like the ones I
mentioned yesterday(?), the Telecomm secretary who claims that it was
Clinton who ran up the national debt and the people who believe that the
9/11 hijackers were Iraqis.

> If you want lies, go back to the last president and
> his "I never had sex with that woman" bullshit.

?  For one thing, see what I wrote above -- "lies about life-threatening
matters."  I don't put a president's private sinclair play in that
category.   And I have already said what I think about that situation --
that lying is a bad thing but that it was ludicrous beyond words for him
to have been publically questioned about his sex life.
> NM> Threat to world order/peace:  King G and his cronies' flagrant
> NM> violations of international law.
>
> Oh?  Again, widely subject to interpretation, and the idea that there
> even IS such a thing as international law.

Certainly the question of whether there is such a thing as international
law can be asked, but it's pretty funny when the same administration
that chastises Saddam for his disregard of the UN also disregards the
UN.  And then there's the matter of the Geneva Convention and POWs and
"detainees."

> NM> Threat to future life on earth:  King G and his cronies' ignoring of
> NM> global warming and other environment concerns.
>
> Again, there are many who say that global warming, if it indeed
> exists, is a normal variation in climate.

Check out what the experts have been saying.  I can't give specific
references right now because the thunder has just returned BIG-TIME.
Gotta go for now.

> NM> Threat to the economic future of hard-working Americans:  King G and his
> NM> cronies' padding the pockets of rich friends and incurring staggering
> NM> debts that threaten to cripple the country.
>
> Do you feel crippled?

?  Please read what I wrote.  I said nothing about being/feeling
crippled.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

>
> > NM> Threat to future life on earth:  King G and his cronies' ignoring of
> > NM> global warming and other environment concerns.
> >
> > Again, there are many who say that global warming, if it indeed
> > exists, is a normal variation in climate.
>
> Check out what the experts have been saying.  I can't give specific
> references right now because the thunder has just returned BIG-TIME.

    Its easily enough checked:  Enter "global warming myth" into the search engine
of your choice.

JMW

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John Williams wrote:

> > Check out what the experts have been saying.  I can't give specific
> > references right now because the thunder has just returned BIG-TIME.
>
>     Its easily enough checked:  Enter "global warming myth" into the search engine
> of your choice.

I must've made a typo.  Here's what I landed on:

http://www.boston.com/dailynews/206/region/Global_warming_expert_chides_B:.shtml

Meanwhile, though, let us move to more serious issues.  I need driving
directions to seven cemeteries in Newberry County, SC.  I've got some
that I think might work for one of the seven (Beth Eden Lutheran, just
north of Newberry City).  I need them for the following:  St. John's
Lutheran in Pomaria, Bethlehem Lutheran (possibly in Pomaria, possibly
in Newberry City), Summer-Epting Cemetery, Cromer Cemetery, Swittenberg
Family Cemetery in Little Mountain, Methodist Cemetery in Newberry
City.  I'm going to the library tomorrow to look at the 1820 SC atlas
that will likely show some of these places, but surely Wordslers can
provide me with the directions to all of them.  I need to be efficient
next Monday, my only day in that area.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Dan Lester wrote:
> Most folks only fear the NOW, not
> the "after I'm dead".  That doesn't make Natalie wrong, just different
> from the majority.

There are times when I'm <proud to be mutant>.

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For people who have no time to check up on global warming: anybody
who says it's a "myth" is a complete idiot, and as a bonus, any other
statement by said idiot is also highly suspect.

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02003-07-30 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@COMCAST.NET> writes:
> At 06:23 PM 7/29/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >I have apologized for all of you. I have a question--I am afraid
> >I have caffeinated myself a bit too much and am feeling a bit ...
> >strange. Na'mean? I do not need any comments about my age etc--all
> >I would like to know is how to reduce this feeling. Drink water?
> >Thank you.
>
> It's so hard for me to tell when you're serious. I'm going to take a gamble
> and answer this as if it were a real question.
>
> I hate when I OD on caffeine. It's an awful feeling. If it happens at while
> I'm at home I usually try to go for a run. If I'm at work, I try to eat
> something.

THANKK YOU!!!!!!!!!! LISA!@@

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I must've made a typo.  Here's what I landed on:
>
> http://www.boston.com/dailynews/206/region/Global_warming_expert_chides_B:.shtml

    "You can buy 'em books, and buy 'em books, and they'll still sit on the floor and
chew the covers."

JMW

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John Williams wrote:

>     "You can buy 'em books, and buy 'em books, and they'll still sit on the floor and
> chew the covers."

Are you casting aspersions on the beautiful beast?  I've taken about a
hundred pictures of him in the past couple of days, btw, since I've got
my <good> batteries in the camera right now -- the ones that last a long
time -- and am trying to drain them so that I can recharge them (which
takes forever) before departure on my trip.  I've been expecting the
"charge batteries" thing to pop up for ages now, even when I was in
Columbia Sunday.  But these batteries keep lasting and lasting.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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 At 2.59 he must have rolled out of the car.

"An Oslo man has had his drunken driving case thrown out of court because
overeager police didn't wait until he sobered up to question him. The court
rejected the inebriated confession and let the 36-year-old go, newspaper VG
reports."

<http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article.jhtml?articleID=594014>

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> By the way, it is an enchanting poem which I'd not read before, Adam --
> thank you.

You're welcome! An appreciation for e.e. cummings' poetry is just about the
only useful thing I got out of my 12th grade English class.

--Adam
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On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> By the way, it is an enchanting poem which I'd not read before, Adam --
>> thank you.

> You're welcome! An appreciation for e.e. cummings' poetry is just about the
> only useful thing I got out of my 12th grade English class.

It fit so perfectly--you were Very Smart to pick that up.

Karen

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> It fit so perfectly--you were Very Smart to pick that up.

Thanks! I had no idea what you meant by "I rarely two whole rooms" so I just
thought it <fit>.

Have you gotten the CD I sent you last week? Carolyn, what do you think of
yours?

--Adam
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T.S.

At noon today on NPR, I heard snatches of a story re:
the killing of a number of police officers in eastern
India.  I haven't been able to find anything since.
Can you enlighten me as to the facts?

And on the same subject :-), I find that a lassi is
defined as an Indian milkshake.  Is that an accurate
description?

Gore Vidal is scheduled for PBS tonight at 9:00 CDT
with readings from his works performed by sundry show
biz types.

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On 30 Jul 2003 at 18:24, Lynne Weber wrote:

> At noon today on NPR, I heard snatches of a story re:
> the killing of a number of police officers in eastern
> India.  I haven't been able to find anything since.
> Can you enlighten me as to the facts?

http://famulus.msnbc.com/FamulusIntl/reuters07-30-065834.asp?reg=ASIA

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Lynne asks about

>the killing of a number of police officers in eastern India.

Probably this:

Ten CRPF jawans killed in landmine blast
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/01302005.htm

Ten policemen killed in Orissa landmine blast
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_324800,0009.htm

10 policemen killed in Orissa blast
http://sify.com/news/othernews/fullstory.php?id=13212966

India blast kills 10
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3111139.stm

Separately, there have been a couple of explosions recently in Mumbai; a
terrorist bomb in a bus on Monday killed a few people; an explosives
accident killed 7 about 4 hours ago.  Both also injured a larger number of
people.

Pete

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From: "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
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I was a little surprised by two of you recent comments, Natalie - about
wondering what would be in what I called a "full study" and about
thinking that "book shelves" hold more books than bookcases.

I built most of my bookcases and all my bookcases, even the ones I did not
build, contain shelves, of course. How can a shelf hold more books
depending on whether it is incorporated into a bookcase? None of my
shelves would hold more books if I removed it from its place in its
bookcase.

?

Bethany

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> Separately, there have been a couple of explosions
> recently in Mumbai; a
> terrorist bomb in a bus on Monday killed a few
> people; an explosives
> accident killed 7 about 4 hours ago.  Both also
> injured a larger number of
> people.
>
> Pete

Thank you, MEM and Pete.


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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> I was a little surprised by two of you recent comments, Natalie - about
> wondering what would be in what I called a "full study" and about
> thinking that "book shelves" hold more books than bookcases.

I guess I'm just not knowledgeable of proper terminology.  I don't
remember having heard the term "full study" before and wondered whether
it was opposed to an empty study or a half study or whatever.  I suppose
I could call the room I'm in right now a "full study" since it's pretty
full.  It contains a regular desk, a computer desk (along with the
computer and the computer paraphernalia -- or at least that which I use
often -- things like the scanner are in the junkroom attached to the
other computer), two desk chairs, some bookshelves, two filing cabinets,
a couple of largish wicker baskets holding various stuff, and some
smaller baskets holding other stuff.  But I wouldn't have thought of the
term "full study" for this room.  I just think of it as "the back room"
or possibly "the computer room" or maybe "the room with the desk and
stuff."

> I built most of my bookcases and all my bookcases, even the ones I did not
> build, contain shelves, of course. How can a shelf hold more books
> depending on whether it is incorporated into a bookcase? None of my
> shelves would hold more books if I removed it from its place in its
> bookcase.

May I refer you to the Harbrace Handbook for comma conventions.  I had
to read that first line several times to make sense of it since I kept
wondering what "I built most of my bookcases and all of my bookcases"
meant -- like how you could've built most and all.  I said that
bookcases take up more room than bookshelves.  That is because the
encasement consumes space.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> It fit so perfectly--you were Very Smart to pick that up.

> Thanks! I had no idea what you meant by "I rarely two whole rooms" so I just
> thought it <fit>.

Rita said it, I just quoted it. Yes, it fit perfectly.

> Have you gotten the CD I sent you last week? Carolyn, what do you think of
> yours?

I have been so busy helping Ligniere move that I haven't bothered to
check my mailbox for about a week. But I will check tomorrow.

Karen

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On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I guess I'm just not knowledgeable of proper terminology.  I don't
> remember having heard the term "full study" before and wondered whether
> it was opposed to an empty study or a half study or whatever.

Me, too.

> I said that bookcases take up more room than bookshelves. That is
> because the encasement consumes space.

True. But doesn't whatever you put on the ends of the shelves to hold
the books also consume space?

Karen

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02003-07-30 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> T.S.
>
> At noon today on NPR, I heard snatches of a story re:
> the killing of a number of police officers in eastern
> India.  I haven't been able to find anything since.
> Can you enlighten me as to the facts?

No. I don't know the facts.

> And on the same subject :-), I find that a lassi is
> defined as an Indian milkshake.  Is that an accurate
> description?

Yes. But "fermented" is an important component ...

> Gore Vidal is scheduled for PBS tonight at 9:00 CDT
> with readings from his works performed by sundry show
> biz types.

Thank you ...

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I said that bookcases take up more room than bookshelves. That is
> > because the encasement consumes space.
>
> True. But doesn't whatever you put on the ends of the shelves to hold
> the books also consume space?

That depends.  In my particular case, the answer is yes -- since many of
my shelves are boards and concrete blocks, and concrete blocks take up
much more space than a bookcase outer wall would.  (But my particular
bookcases, both old -- I guess antique is the appropriate word for them,
are short, meaning that my towering board and block shelves hold far
more books.  But that isn't really relevant to the point.)  Some of my
other shelves are the utility shelves that are intended for storage
buildings, and their outer edges are smaller than bookcase outer edges.
But mainly in my bookcase vs bookshelf comments I was thinking about
bookshelves that have no ends at all -- the endless kind suspended from
walls.  You hold the books inside them by either using bookends (which
can be the extremely slender kind, taking up almost no room at all) or
by using other things you want to put on the shelves (which might or
might not take up much space).

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 21:05:52 -0400, Adam Hartfield <adamh1@COMCAST.NET>
wrote:

>> It fit so perfectly--you were Very Smart to pick that up.
>
>Thanks! I had no idea what you meant by "I rarely two whole rooms" so I
just
>thought it <fit>.
>
>Have you gotten the CD I sent you last week? Carolyn, what do you think of
>yours?
>
>--Adam
>adamh1@comcast.net

Didn't play it on the ride home, don't know why. Busy talking to BrP, I
 guess. Haven't been in the car long enough to hear the whole thing.
First three tracks: wonderful, and I have one for you next time I see
you. Thanks so much,

clo
Exhausted - back at midnight after staff retreat.

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> Thank you ...

And sometime will you tell me about Karl Jenkins?

That is, when the fancy takes you, as Hermione G. used
to say.


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08:33 30.07.2003 -0600 skrev Dan Lester:
>7/30/2003, 7:58 AM, Espen S. Ore wrote:
>
>ESO> The problem for me is
>ESO> that the metal edge and the tube are not formet so that I can snap the tube
>ESO> on - instead it gets off in the other side when I try to get it in place at
>ESO> one place. In a way this is similar to trying to get the cover on a kayak
>ESO> cockpit. has anyone here done this? (The washing machhine thing, not the
>ESO> kayak thing)
>
>If I'm understanding correctly, the "sealing tube" is what I'd call a
>"gasket".  I understand that it is a rubber or plastic tube that goes
>in a track and has to be held in.  Yes, I'm sure it is like the cover
>on a food storage container, or a kayak cockpit cover, or even getting
>an innertube into a bicycle tire.  One "corner" wants to always pop
>out or pop off.  The best I've ever done on those things is to have
>about six hands.  In some cases, literally four or six hands, so that
>it can be held in place by five hands while the sixth forces the last
>part to do what it is supposed to do.

Yes, but now I see another possibility: if I can get the top off the washing machine I might get a better hold than I can when I try to do this through the door/lid opening. Of course this machine uses screws for which I don't have a screw driver: they are funny six-pointed starshaped. But here at work I found a set of bits of this type so this afternoon I will try again.

Espen

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20:28 30.07.2003 -0400 skrev Terry Wild:
>At 2.59 he must have rolled out of the car.
>
>"An Oslo man has had his drunken driving case thrown out of court because
>overeager police didn't wait until he sobered up to question him. The court
>rejected the inebriated confession and let the 36-year-old go, newspaper VG
>reports."
>
><http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article.jhtml?articleID=594014>

A funny thing in the Norwegian legal system is that there is a limit (0.8) for running a boat with a motor if the boat is small (below 45 or 50 feet, I believe) but there is no law about larger ships.

Espen

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21:52 30.07.2003 -0500 skrev Tushar Samant:
>02003-07-30 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
>> And on the same subject :-), I find that a lassi is
>> defined as an Indian milkshake.  Is that an accurate
>> description?
>
>Yes. But "fermented" is an important component ...

Could it be called a youghurtshake?

Espen

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On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>May I refer you to the Harbrace Handbook for comma conventions.  I had

No.

Bethany

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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:40:04 +0200, Espen Ore <Espen.Ore@NB.NO> wrote:

>21:52 30.07.2003 -0500 skrev Tushar Samant:
>>02003-07-30 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
>>> And on the same subject :-), I find that a lassi is
>>> defined as an Indian milkshake.  Is that an accurate
>>> description?
>>
>>Yes. But "fermented" is an important component ...
>
>Could it be called a youghurtshake?
>
>Espen

I can't remember the difference between a smoothie and a lassi, but the one
that sticks in my mind from Adelle Davis or so was a BanApple Lassi with
vitiamins added.

I'm pretty sure people now indiscriminately call all that
 stuff "smoothies".

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Yesterday the staff went on a "retreat", and because I have such an
interesting boss, and because her mind is entirely on her only child's
wedding next week, it was entirely unstructured, except that we had an
initial destination and a goal for dinner. We drove through the Finger
Lakes (beautiful at this time of the year) in a van (small office - 5
full-time staff) to Sonnenberg Gardens, in Canandaigua.
<http://www.sonnenberg.org/>

It's a "summer home" for a guy whose dad (circa the Civil War)
founded what became both Chase Bank and CitiCorp Bank, preserved now
(the house, not the banking system)primarily for is extraordinary gardens.
 It was absolutely lovely. If you ever go there, <don't> let a docent feel
 he has your attention in the mansion. You'll be stuck inside listening to
 incredibly dull exposition on [I kid you not] details like the side on
 which Lincoln parted his hair).

We wandered for hours from the formal "Italian" garden to the "Japanese"
garden to the rock and water garden to the conservatory to the Rose and
sub-Rose gardens to the Pansy garden to the Moonlight Walk... Completely
lost track of time, and finally (after closing) wandered away to the van,
drove out to the lake for "lunch" (fancy appetizers and wine), piled back
into the van, then went to Rosalie's Cucina in Skaneateles
 <http://www.skaneateles.com/rosalies/> getting there late at night, eating
incredible meals, I had chicken stuffed with lobster, a salad in a cheese
basket, and we passed a series of desserts around the table to share -
tiramisu, etc.) and being the last to leave a gourmet restaurant. Got back
home at midnight, full and very relaxed.

Cut to this am - woken up by phone ringing; Mercy (flying in to Boston to
be met at 6 pm - took a standby ticket to get a free ticket back to Europe
and won't be in till late tonight, giving V (who can't stand travel or
changes in plans) complete agita.

I have to go to work now, complete changes for assessment (still hanging),
complete the newsletter in hardcopy (mails tomorrow), find my brother in
ME to see if they can pick her up, find out why the payment to the Bursar's
office didn't get to them and make if possible for Aaron to register for
classes, and figure out a plan B that doesn't involve sitting for 13 hrs
in a car listening to V bitch about how inconsiderate it is for Mercy to
change what he expected to have happen. And believe me, it would be a
straight 13 hrs w/ a non-stop theme.

clo

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7/30/2003, 3:37 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> NM> Threat to the economic future of hard-working Americans:  King G and his
>> NM> cronies' padding the pockets of rich friends and incurring staggering
>> NM> debts that threaten to cripple the country.
>>
>> Do you feel crippled?

NM> ?  Please read what I wrote.  I said nothing about being/feeling
NM> crippled.

     I understand that.  But if the country is crippled, the people
     must be crippled in some way.  Thus the question.  Obviously I
     don't mean physically crippled, as in lame.  Of course then
     there's LAME.....

dan

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7/30/2003, 5:14 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

NM> Dan Lester wrote:
>> Most folks only fear the NOW, not
>> the "after I'm dead".  That doesn't make Natalie wrong, just different
>> from the majority.

NM> There are times when I'm <proud to be mutant>.

I understand that.  I'm mutant in some ways too.  I'm morally opposed
to abortion, completely in favor of a woman's right to choose what to
do with her own body and fetus, and a strong supporter of the death
penalty.  Wish I'd written "Beer for my Horses", as it expresses my
feelings exactly.

dan

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7/30/2003, 5:22 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

TS> For people who have no time to check up on global warming: anybody
TS> who says it's a "myth" is a complete idiot, and as a bonus, any other
TS> statement by said idiot is also highly suspect.

       The REAL question is WHY things are getting warmer.  Are humans
       causing part of it?  Maybe.  Of course for many centuries it
       has been getting warmer than the ice ages were.  And the ice
       ages will be back, though I'll bet they won't be in our
       lifetimes. There have been plenty of other cycles of this
       nature in the world's history.

dan

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Hmmm. Natalie suggests, if I now understand her correctly, that having
shelves in a room, as opposed to bookcases, allows one to have more books
in the room.

That may be true in rooms with very low ceilings, but I wonder whether it
is in rooms with higher ceilings.

When I built my bookcases, they were all 96" high - 8 feet - would one
normally stack shelves that high? I would think that they would be likely
to topple at that height - unless they were held together by something
fairly substantial, like bricks, which take up far more room than the 3/8
or  3/4 inch boards generally used to build bookcase.

Or am I still misunderstanding?

There are ugly, minimally functional <shelves> in many offices in my
building - they are assembled via permanently attached metal
thingamajigs - but I have measured and discovered that those metal
thingamajigs take up at least 3/4 in. each - so they save no space. (I
have removed most of them  from my office - they are incredibly ugly and
ungainly, since they cannot be moved. I now have 2 very tall wooden
bookcases in my office. All the shelves are movable, so they are very
functional.)

Okay - it's just about time to vote, folks: bookcases or book shelves?

Bethany

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dan:
> And it has some good points.....though on the edge...

That's not a rant, it's whining.

> Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana, 4/28/03

Hi evreeebody!

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----- Original Message -----
From: "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM>
> At 07:37 AM 7/31/2003 -0600, Dan Lester wrote:
>
> >        The REAL question is WHY things are getting warmer.  Are humans
> >        causing part of it?  Maybe.  Of course for many centuries it
> >        has been getting warmer than the ice ages were.  And the ice
> >        ages will be back, though I'll bet they won't be in our
> >        lifetimes. There have been plenty of other cycles of this
> >        nature in the world's history.
>
> The issue is not whether there have been, and will continue to be, cycles
> in global climate.  The issue is how much the by-products of human society
> are accelerating the apparent upward curve and whether societal effects
> will raise the cyclic maximum beyond what the global system can
> withstand.  There is not much doubt that human activity <is> having an
> accelerative effect (hell, even Bush j.g., et al. admit that---they simply
> say we'll have to live with it).  The question boils down to how much we
> are willing to gamble on being able to stay within stable bounds.
>
> Who was it who said that civilization is what happens between ice ages?
>
> cwv

I guess the biggest stink is over the speed with which the temperture change
is taking place... eco-systems can't cope, and the fear is that it will lead
to an even greater rate of extinction than currently has alerted scientists.

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At 08:09 PM 7/29/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>And, of course, I still have a really super
>racing bike that I should have sold many years ago when somebody was
>trying to buy it from me, but I just couldn't -- I won lots of trophies
>on that bike.  I do have all of the other stuff she mentioned, except
>that I'm not sure what a "full study" means exactly.

I feel like your racing career is something I should be familiar with but
I'm not. So, when and where did you race. And what kind of bike do you have
that you've been holding on to for so long (not that I blame you.. I think
I have every one of the softball gloves I used.. even when a bought a
better/bigger glove I couldn't get rid of the old one).

lisa
who's been biking for years but pedals like she has a piano on her back


>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 07:37 AM 7/31/2003 -0600, Dan Lester wrote:

>        The REAL question is WHY things are getting warmer.  Are humans
>        causing part of it?  Maybe.  Of course for many centuries it
>        has been getting warmer than the ice ages were.  And the ice
>        ages will be back, though I'll bet they won't be in our
>        lifetimes. There have been plenty of other cycles of this
>        nature in the world's history.

The issue is not whether there have been, and will continue to be, cycles
in global climate.  The issue is how much the by-products of human society
are accelerating the apparent upward curve and whether societal effects
will raise the cyclic maximum beyond what the global system can
withstand.  There is not much doubt that human activity <is> having an
accelerative effect (hell, even Bush j.g., et al. admit that---they simply
say we'll have to live with it).  The question boils down to how much we
are willing to gamble on being able to stay within stable bounds.

Who was it who said that civilization is what happens between ice ages?

cwv

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=
= Okay - it's just about time to vote, folks: bookcases or book shelves?
=
= Bethany

It doesn't matter.

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At 07:11 AM 7/30/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>7/29/2003, 4:53 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>NM> I just remembered something I meant to ask you:  Why can't you access
>NM> work e-mail at home and home e-mail at work?  I can think of reasons not
>NM> to do so, of course, but I got the impression you meant that it was
>NM> technically not possible.
>
>In some environments it isn't possible.  Gail had to jump through all
>sorts of hoops to get work email at home when she was at HP.  Network
>security issues.  At A.G. Edwards it isn't possible at all. Policy on
>security forbids it.
>
>At HP she could access home email at work, as they didn't care about
>that.  At Edwards it is forbidden, and blocked by policy on the
>network.  Same way she can't go to Ebay, espn, and a host of other
>places that would be considered "recreational" or whatever.  AGE also
>has tight controls on content of email and websites, going in and out.

God, I'd hate a job like this. I just couldn't deal.

lisa



>dan

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At 04:31 PM 7/30/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>
>On the other hand, I think most Americans are more concerned about
>something immediate and fatal like a terrorist bombing than about
>something vague and far away like the threat of nuclear war.
>
>BrP

When I was in elementary school teachers and other assorted adults did a
pretty good job of making me afraid of, "The Russians"** and the
possibility they would nuke us.

Today, I'm not afraid of terrorist attacks. Instead I think I'm more on the
Natalie side of things, I'm afraid of what the government is doing to my
country.

** When teachers said, "The Russians", they always quickly corrected
themselves and said, "well now they're the Soviet Union so we call them
Soviets".

lisa

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At 02:47 PM 7/30/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Well, as you know, there is a wide divergence of opinion about these
>"repeated lies".  There are certainly many who do NOT think they
>are/were lies.  If you want lies, go back to the last president and
>his "I never had sex with that woman" bullshit.

1- He never should have been asked the question
2- His lie never made feel like my life or livelihood were in jeopardy.

As for the rest of what you said, do you think you're helping Natalie at
all but challenging her? You asked her what she was afraid of, she told
you, then you came back and pretty much said it was all bullshit.  That
just aint right brother.

lisa


>NM> Threat to world order/peace:  King G and his cronies' flagrant
>NM> violations of international law.
>
>Oh?  Again, widely subject to interpretation, and the idea that there
>even IS such a thing as international law.
>
>NM> Threat to future life on earth:  King G and his cronies' ignoring of
>NM> global warming and other environment concerns.
>
>Again, there are many who say that global warming, if it indeed
>exists, is a normal variation in climate.  We know that there have
>been global "warmings" and "coolings" many times in the past, both
>regionally and worldwide.  Many can not be explained by volcanoes or
>meteors.  And that was way before man was around in most cases.  Where
>man was around, some campfires didn't cause global warming either.
>
>NM> Threat to the economic future of hard-working Americans:  King G and his
>NM> cronies' padding the pockets of rich friends and incurring staggering
>NM> debts that threaten to cripple the country.
>
>Do you feel crippled?
>
>
>dan

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7/31/2003, 8:38 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:

>>At HP she could access home email at work, as they didn't care about
>>that.  At Edwards it is forbidden, and blocked by policy on the
>>network.  Same way she can't go to Ebay, espn, and a host of other
>>places that would be considered "recreational" or whatever.  AGE also
>>has tight controls on content of email and websites, going in and out.

la> God, I'd hate a job like this. I just couldn't deal.

Understand, and agree personally. Doesn't matter much to Gail, though,
as she can still do plenty of email to me and others, can do
recreational surfing when time allows, etc.  Guess every job has its
pluses and minuses, and we make choices based on those.


dan

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I found a random smoothie recipe and a random lassi recipe (via Google).
They are different.  Around here, people still make a distinction.

SMOOTHIE
1/2   cup mangoes, diced,frozen
2/3   cup skim milk or soy milk
1/2   teaspoon sugar or honey, more to taste
1. In a blender, combine frozen mango, milk and sugar.
2. Whirl until mixture is smooth, adding a bit more milk if needed.
3. Serve.
4. To make a larger smoothie or to make more servings, just use equal
amounts mango and milk, plus sugar to taste.

LASSI
1 1/4 cups plain yogurt
1/2 teaspoon lemon juice
1/2 cup fresh mango pulp
1/3 cup cold water
4 tablespoons honey or sugar
9-10 standard-size ice cubes.

Blend everything but the ice cubes in the blender until the sugar or
honey is dissolved. Add the ice and blend until frothy!

Ann

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Thu, 31 Jul
2003, Carolyn
Ostrander
wrote:

> >>> And on the same subject :-), I find that a lassi is
> >>> defined as an Indian milkshake.  Is that an accurate
>
> I'm pretty sure people now indiscriminately call all that
>  stuff "smoothies".
>

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7/31/2003, 8:51 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:

la> At 02:47 PM 7/30/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>Well, as you know, there is a wide divergence of opinion about these
>>"repeated lies".  There are certainly many who do NOT think they
>>are/were lies.  If you want lies, go back to the last president and
>>his "I never had sex with that woman" bullshit.

la> 1- He never should have been asked the question

No argument.  But we all have to deal with the questions that are
asked in our lives.

la> 2- His lie never made feel like my life or livelihood were in jeopardy.

Agree.  Was just dealing with the issue of lying.  There is certainly
no proof that Pres. Bush has lied about anything.

la> As for the rest of what you said, do you think you're helping Natalie at
la> all but challenging her? You asked her what she was afraid of, she told
la> you, then you came back and pretty much said it was all bullshit.

No, didn't say it was bullshit. Disagree with it, as do a number of
others on the list.  Isn't disagreement what the list is all about?

la>  That just aint right brother.

Well, if Natalie can't handle disagreement, she's in the wrong place.
But I know she can, so I'm not worried about it.

dan

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7/31/2003, 8:58 AM, Ann Borkin wrote:

AB> I found a random smoothie recipe and a random lassi recipe (via Google).
AB> They are different.  Around here, people still make a distinction.

So if it uses milk it is a smoothie.  If it uses yogurt, it is a
lassi.   Right?

dan


AB> SMOOTHIE
AB> 1/2   cup mangoes, diced,frozen
AB> 2/3   cup skim milk or soy milk
AB> 1/2   teaspoon sugar or honey, more to taste
AB> 1. In a blender, combine frozen mango, milk and sugar.
AB> 2. Whirl until mixture is smooth, adding a bit more milk if needed.
AB> 3. Serve.
AB> 4. To make a larger smoothie or to make more servings, just use equal
AB> amounts mango and milk, plus sugar to taste.

AB> LASSI
AB> 1 1/4 cups plain yogurt
AB> 1/2 teaspoon lemon juice
AB> 1/2 cup fresh mango pulp
AB> 1/3 cup cold water
AB> 4 tablespoons honey or sugar
AB> 9-10 standard-size ice cubes.

AB> Blend everything but the ice cubes in the blender until the sugar or
AB> honey is dissolved. Add the ice and blend until frothy!

AB> Ann

AB>  On
AB> Thu, 31 Jul
AB> 2003, Carolyn
AB> Ostrander
AB> wrote:

>> >>> And on the same subject :-), I find that a lassi is
>> >>> defined as an Indian milkshake.  Is that an accurate
>>
>> I'm pretty sure people now indiscriminately call all that
>>  stuff "smoothies".
>>


dan

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Alan Wild writes,

>I guess the biggest stink is over the speed with which the temperture change
>is taking place... eco-systems can't cope, and the fear is that it will lead
>to an even greater rate of extinction than currently has alerted scientists.

The scientists I read talk mainly about impacts to societies and
civilizations.  Paradoxically, overall global warming can produce regional
cooling, causing extra-severe winters and droughts, resulting in crop
failures and increased dependence on energy stores to the tune of hundreds
of billions of dollars per year .  That sort of thing would cause all sorts
of economic and societal stress.

A significant change can happen in the span of a decade, and last for
centuries, so it would be good thing to keep from triggering it.

See, for instance:

http://www.whoi.edu/institutes/occi/currenttopics/climatechange_wef.html

Pete

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> A funny thing in the Norwegian legal system is that
> there is a limit (0.8) for running a boat with a
> motor if the boat is small (below 45 or 50 feet, I
> believe) but there is no law about larger ships.
>
> Espen

Could this be a matter of avoiding prosecution of
multi-national ships' captains?  But no, any captains
would have to be in Norwegian territorial waters to be
prosecuted, right?  But there must be some cogent
reason for it, it can't be a matter of omission.


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7/31/2003, 12:24 PM, Lynne Weber wrote:

LW> Could this be a matter of avoiding prosecution of
LW> multi-national ships' captains?  But no, any captains
LW> would have to be in Norwegian territorial waters to be
LW> prosecuted, right?  But there must be some cogent
LW> reason for it, it can't be a matter of omission.

      Why not?  All sorts of things get omitted all the time. Until a
      couple years ago it was illegal to drive intoxicated in Idaho,
      booze and drugs included.  Except they forgot to include
      marijuana in the drugs, so if you were stoned on pot, you were
      home free, but not if on booze or other drugs.  After a guy won
      his case in State Supreme Court on this, they changed the law.

      Imagine they wrote the law after some drunken sailor killed
      somebody, and since no one ever drunkenly put a liner into a
      pier, they never bothered.  Or the commercial captain may be
      covered under licensing or other regulations.

dan

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> I guess the biggest stink is over the speed with
> which the temperture change
> is taking place... eco-systems can't cope, and the
> fear is that it will lead
> to an even greater rate of extinction than currently
> has alerted scientists.

Air pollution, which is only a portion of this
problem, can be traced in large part to the industrial
age, a matter of some three hundred years or less - a
mote in the eye of time.  Prior to that, prolly the
worst polluters of the atmosphere were those who
heated with coal or peat.


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>       Imagine they wrote the law after some drunken
> sailor killed
>       somebody, and since no one ever drunkenly put
> a liner into a
>       pier, they never bothered.  Or the commercial
> captain may be
>       covered under licensing or other regulations.
>
> dan

Are all laws (or taboos) reactionary, then?  In
response to a set of circumstances that has occurred
previously?


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> AB> SMOOTHIE
> AB> 1/2   cup mangoes, diced,frozen
> AB> 2/3   cup skim milk or soy milk
> AB> 1/2   teaspoon sugar or honey, more to taste
> AB> 1. In a blender, combine frozen mango, milk and
> sugar.
> AB> 2. Whirl until mixture is smooth, adding a bit
> more milk if needed.
> AB> 3. Serve.
> AB> 4. To make a larger smoothie or to make more
> servings, just use equal
> AB> amounts mango and milk, plus sugar to taste.
>
> AB> LASSI
> AB> 1 1/4 cups plain yogurt
> AB> 1/2 teaspoon lemon juice
> AB> 1/2 cup fresh mango pulp
> AB> 1/3 cup cold water
> AB> 4 tablespoons honey or sugar
> AB> 9-10 standard-size ice cubes.
>
> AB> Blend everything but the ice cubes in the
> blender until the sugar or
> AB> honey is dissolved. Add the ice and blend until
> frothy!

What in the world did they do before blenders happened
on the scene?



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Does 22.75" sound normal for a head size?

The reason I ask is that I'm filling out something from the President's
office (the MSU Pres, not Shrub).  As VP of ARF I've been asked to march
in the Pres's investiture parade -- and the letter said that they would
pay for my costume rental.  I started to <just say no> but then decided
that it would be polite to go on and do it -- that there's no reason not
to since the date and time are convenient and that it's nice for them to
invite representatives of the aged and that it's especially nice of them
to provide the free garb.  Anyway, the form asks for measurements.  My
measurements are probably still on record in whatever office it is that
handles graduation stuff -- from the last time I participated in
graduation (which was when Daddy Bush was Pres and was the speaker -- I
think I mentioned before that I decided to participate because I thought
it would be fun to watch the secret service in action -- it was).  Our
head secretary is on vacation this week, and nobody else in the office
seemed to know anything about where the Office of Measurements is.  So I
decided just to fill in this form with new ones.  The gown-related
measurements don't really matter.  They seem to be all about the same
size.  Maybe they have special ones for giants or midgets.  It's the cap
measurement that I care about -- and that's another reason not to bother
to try to track down the old measurements -- my cap never fit -- it was
always on the verge of falling off, even with lots of bobby pins.  So I
just pulled out some measuring tape, and it appears that measuring my
head at forehead level produces a result of approximately 22 3/4.  Does
that sound reasonable?  (I remember that it was difficult to find a
motorcycle helmet that fit me.  Had to get a very expensive one because
the cheap ones didn't fit.  I think there's something odd about the
shape of my head.  Maybe it's that my brain is too big...)

--
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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> Hmmm. Natalie suggests, if I now understand her correctly, that having
> shelves in a room, as opposed to bookcases, allows one to have more books
> in the room.

If you will review last night's discussion, you will see that it depends
on the style of shelves.

> When I built my bookcases, they were all 96" high - 8 feet - would one
> normally stack shelves that high? I would think that they would be likely
> to topple at that height - unless they were held together by something
> fairly substantial, like bricks, which take up far more room than the 3/8
> or  3/4 inch boards generally used to build bookcase.

See last night's discussion.  Shelves are often attached to walls
without anything on their ends.  I think the shelves in most libraries
(as in institutional libraries, not personal libraries) manage not to
fall down (though people have been known to get squshed between the
sliding ones in the MSU lib).

> Or am I still misunderstanding?

It appears so.  You don't see all that many bookcases in libraries.  I
think that's because they find shelves hold more books.

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Dan Lester wrote:
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> 7/30/2003, 3:37 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >> NM> Threat to the economic future of hard-working Americans:  King G and his
> >> NM> cronies' padding the pockets of rich friends and incurring staggering
> >> NM> debts that threaten to cripple the country.
> >>
> >> Do you feel crippled?
>
> NM> ?  Please read what I wrote.  I said nothing about being/feeling
> NM> crippled.
>
>      I understand that.  But if the country is crippled, the people
>      must be crippled in some way.  Thus the question.  Obviously I
>      don't mean physically crippled, as in lame.  Of course then
>      there's LAME.....

Please read again what I wrote.  What is it about "threaten to" that you
don't understand?  If the country/people are already feeling crippled,
then it's not a threat -- it's an after-effect.

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lisa alfieri wrote:

>  So, when and where did you race.

Early '70s, mainly in Mississippi.

> And what kind of bike do you have

Nishiki Pro.

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> As for the rest of what you said, do you think you're helping Natalie at
> all but challenging her? You asked her what she was afraid of, she told
> you, then you came back and pretty much said it was all bullshit.  That
> just aint right brother.

I'm not seeking <help>.  I think it's fine for people to debate issues.

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In a message dated 7/31/2003 2:18:31 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
What in the world did they do before blenders happened
on the scene?

>>

Martini shakers.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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The Next Survivor Show

Six Married men will be dropped on an island with 1 car and 4 kids
each, for 6 weeks.

Each kid plays two sports and either takes music or dance classes.
There is no access to fast food. Each man must take care of his 4 kids, keep
his assigned house clean, correct all homework, complete science
projects, cook, do laundry, etc.

The men only have access to television when the kids are asleep and all
chores are done. There is only one TV between them and there is no
remote.

The men must shave their legs and wear makeup daily, which they must
apply themselves, either while driving or while making four lunches.
They must attend weekly PTA meetings; clean up after their sick
children at 3:00 A.M; make an Indian hut model with six toothpicks, a
tortilla
and one marker; and get a 4 year old to eat a serving of peas.

The kids vote them off the island, based on performance.

The last man wins only if he has enough energy to be intimate with his
spouse at a moment's notice. If the last man does win, he can play the
game over and over again for the next 18-25 years - eventually earning
the right to be called "Mom".

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The next-door-neighbor lady gave Mom a puppy.
Sweetie doesn't know what to think of Daisy.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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--- Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> wrote:
> The next-door-neighbor lady gave Mom a puppy.
> Sweetie doesn't know what to think of Daisy.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> life:  music and cats."
> --Albert Schweitzer

Is it going to be a case of "This town ain't big
enough for the two of us"?  How big is Daisy and what
breed does she resemble?


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This doesn't address the topic at hand,
but, today I ran across the sentence:

"...I invested in an atlas and a shelfful
of almanacs and reference books."

Man, what a weird-looking word.  And, of
course, as it always goes, the more I look
at it, the weirder it gets.

ObMyles&Ben&TOWC[1]: It was in a piece about
crossword puzzles.


P.S. to Rita:  You'll like _Me Talk Pretty
One Day_, yeah.

[1] The Other WORDS-L Cruciverbalists.

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02003-07-31 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> a BanApple Lassi with vitiamins added.

What the HELL is this CRAP?!

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02003-07-31 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 7/31/2003 2:18:31 PM Central Daylight Time,
> lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
> <<
> What in the world did they do before blenders happened
> on the scene?
>
> >>
>
> Martini shakers.

My grandfather had one, from the days when he ran the lassi stall
on Annie Besant Road ...

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In a message dated 7/31/2003 5:05:11 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Is it going to be a case of "This town ain't big
enough for the two of us"?  How big is Daisy and what
breed does she resemble?

>>

Daisy is white with brown ears; I don't know what breed; I know
cats; I'm not all that familiar with dogs.  She's 8 weeks old,
gentle, and is a little larger than Sweetie.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
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I have spent all afternoon listening to old recordings
available though the Library of Congress.  Are there
international libraries - not equivalents, but
similarly structured - available on-line?

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Evelyn:
> Sweetie doesn't know what to think of Daisy.

If it starts singing songs about HAL,
don't hesitate.  Take action.

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In a message dated 7/31/2003 5:12:53 PM Central Daylight Time, 
rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU writes:
<<
Evelyn:
>Sweetie doesn't know what to think of Daisy.

If it starts singing songs about HAL,
don't hesitate.  Take action.

>>

I just wish that I had been consulted.  But Mom's wanted
a puppy so badly.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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life:  music and cats."
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>It appears so.  You don't see all that many bookcases in libraries.  I
>think that's because they find shelves hold more books.

! I do not think I have ever been in a library that did not have
bookcases.

Bethany

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The Bickersons:
>>You don't see all that many bookcases in libraries.
>! I do not think I have ever been in a library that
>did not have bookcases.

Let's call the whole thing off.

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Evelyn:
>I just wish that I had been consulted.  But
>Mom's wanted a puppy so badly.

And I want Santa to bring me a pony
for Christmas (preferably with lines
I can trace back to Bold Ruler, or,
lacking that, Alydar).

Is Mom up to training the animal?

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In a message dated 7/31/2003 5:44:41 PM Central Daylight Time, 
rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU writes:
<<
Is Mom up to training the animal?

>>

I hope so.  I'm in the middle of an 8-day workathon.

Right now, Sweetie and Daisy are having a "stand-off"
in Mom's bathroom.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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> Is Mom up to training the animal?

Puppies are a very different proposition as compared
to kittens/cats.  However, it is a plus that your
mother will be home with the cutie, if you decide to
keep the puppy.  A relationship with a dog can be very
rewarding, though.


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In a message dated 7/31/2003 6:22:40 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Puppies are a very different proposition as compared
to kittens/cats.  However, it is a plus that your
mother will be home with the cutie, if you decide to
keep the puppy.  A relationship with a dog can be very
rewarding, though.

>>

Oh, I think we'll keep her for three reasons:  1) the robbery still has
us spooked; 2) Mom needs someone to keep her company, and
Sweetie sleeps during the day; 3)  Daisy is cute and needs a 
home.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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ok, what should i buy for daisy?
what do puppies like?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> Is it going to be a case of "This town ain't big
> enough for the two of us"?  How big is Daisy and what
> breed does she resemble?

This reminds me of a report I meant to send.  I think I've talked before
about how much Spencer seems to hate cats and how he almost pulls me
down when we're out walking and he sees a cat -- and how he barks in the
night when cats prowl around. (He doesn't realize that a white cat
sleeps on the front porch most days.  I see the cat when I'm driving
away, but Spencer isn't aware of our porch guest.)  Well, when I left
him at Furrbabies early Friday, there was a cat in the pen we were about
to put him into.  I mentioned that to the teenaged boy who was
<receiving> him, and he said, "Oh, the cat will jump out."  But the cat
didn't.  I stood there in fascination as Spencer and the cat were
up-close-and-personal.  Spencer was sniffing around the cat but without
noticeable animosity.  When I picked him up Monday, I mentioned the cat
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living there who don't know they're cats -- that they just assume
they're dogs along with everybody else.  Anyway, I found it interesting.

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Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> I have spent all afternoon listening to old recordings
> available though the Library of Congress.  Are there
> international libraries - not equivalents, but
> similarly structured - available on-line?

What kind of old recordings?  Where exactly on the LC site were you
listening to?

And I'm suddenly reminded that one of these days I'm going to send clo
all those old audiotapes.  Where does time go?

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >It appears so.  You don't see all that many bookcases in libraries.  I
> >think that's because they find shelves hold more books.
>
> ! I do not think I have ever been in a library that did not have
> bookcases.

We obviously aren't on <the same page>.  I've seen bookcases in special
parts of libraries, of course -- fancy areas, where receptions and such
take place.  But I've never been in a library that used bookcases in its
regular stacks.  Or certainly not what I consider bookcases, which is
where I think the problem may lie -- I think we're talking about
different things.

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Yes.  That's a size 7 helmet, and I use a smaller size than
that.  Maybe a little small, but not abnormal or anything.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Does 22.75" sound normal for a head size?
>
> The reason I ask is that I'm filling out something from the President's
> office (the MSU Pres, not Shrub).  As VP of ARF I've been asked to march
> in the Pres's investiture parade -- and the letter said that they would
> pay for my costume rental.  I started to <just say no> but then decided
> that it would be polite to go on and do it -- that there's no reason not
> to since the date and time are convenient and that it's nice for them to
> invite representatives of the aged and that it's especially nice of them
> to provide the free garb.  Anyway, the form asks for measurements.  My
> measurements are probably still on record in whatever office it is that
> handles graduation stuff -- from the last time I participated in
> graduation (which was when Daddy Bush was Pres and was the speaker -- I
> think I mentioned before that I decided to participate because I thought
> it would be fun to watch the secret service in action -- it was).  Our
> head secretary is on vacation this week, and nobody else in the office
> seemed to know anything about where the Office of Measurements is.  So I
> decided just to fill in this form with new ones.  The gown-related
> measurements don't really matter.  They seem to be all about the same
> size.  Maybe they have special ones for giants or midgets.  It's the cap
> measurement that I care about -- and that's another reason not to bother
> to try to track down the old measurements -- my cap never fit -- it was
> always on the verge of falling off, even with lots of bobby pins.  So I
> just pulled out some measuring tape, and it appears that measuring my
> head at forehead level produces a result of approximately 22 3/4.  Does
> that sound reasonable?  (I remember that it was difficult to find a
> motorcycle helmet that fit me.  Had to get a very expensive one because
> the cheap ones didn't fit.  I think there's something odd about the
> shape of my head.  Maybe it's that my brain is too big...)
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>


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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> ok, what should i buy for daisy?
> what do puppies like?

I assume you mean in addition to dog food.  I would say for a puppy that
something to chew on is of major importance -- rawhide chews, cloth
chews, whatever the puppy seems to like best.  It's not a frivolous
investment since otherwise it might be your furniture that gets chewed.
(And you can't rule that out anyway.  I provided Spencer with a
cornucopia of chews, and he still ate record albums, couches, etc.  But
that does not happen with all dogs.  I think it might have been the
likelihood that he's part lab -- and labs are known to be major
chewers.  Bernard never chewed anything, except paper napkins, that was
not one of his designated toys.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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This doesn't even scrape the surface of my day today:

Entertain 7-year-old for 3 hours while car is being
repaired.  Get home to message on answering machine from
hospital.  Go visit my brand new fucking truck at the liquor
store in a bad neighborhood to inspect damage.  Don't see
any.  Go to hospital to inspect damage to He Who Is In the
Doghouse.  Find him strapped to back board with IV.  Find
out the accident was beyond minor, but he made the mistake
of saying his shoulders were sore. God only knows what
they're doing to him; we left. Spend evening trying to find
somebody to help me go get truck from fucking ghetto before
it gets dark and the thing ends up stripped.  Oh yeah, I'm
just waiting for it to get better when I go back to retrieve
him.


Karen Kay wrote:

> The Next Survivor Show
>
> Six Married men will be dropped on an island with 1 car and 4 kids
> each, for 6 weeks.
>
> Each kid plays two sports and either takes music or dance classes.
> There is no access to fast food. Each man must take care of his 4 kids, keep
> his assigned house clean, correct all homework, complete science
> projects, cook, do laundry, etc.
>
> The men only have access to television when the kids are asleep and all
> chores are done. There is only one TV between them and there is no
> remote.
>
> The men must shave their legs and wear makeup daily, which they must
> apply themselves, either while driving or while making four lunches.
> They must attend weekly PTA meetings; clean up after their sick
> children at 3:00 A.M; make an Indian hut model with six toothpicks, a
> tortilla
> and one marker; and get a 4 year old to eat a serving of peas.
>
> The kids vote them off the island, based on performance.
>
> The last man wins only if he has enough energy to be intimate with his
> spouse at a moment's notice. If the last man does win, he can play the
> game over and over again for the next 18-25 years - eventually earning
> the right to be called "Mom".
>
>


--
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Doris Markland wrote:

> I am closing the account today so I checked my AOL mail, and was surprised to find several admails for penis enlargement.  How
> in hell do those people find us, no matter where we are?

I don't know, but I'm sure I've said before that the one time in my life
when I decided spam was ok was that time in Huntsville after Mama had
become pretty much bedridden and wasn't checking her own e-mail anymore
when I was printing important e-mail to take into her room and decided
on a whim to print one of the enlarge-your-penis messages.  I thought
she was never going to stop laughing.  That laughter was fun to witness
and also was no doubt very much therapeutic.

--
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
>>ok, what should i buy for daisy?
>>what do puppies like?
>>
>
> I assume you mean in addition to dog food.  I would say for a puppy that
> something to chew on is of major importance -- rawhide chews, cloth
> chews, whatever the puppy seems to like best.  It's not a frivolous
> investment since otherwise it might be your furniture that gets chewed.
> (And you can't rule that out anyway.  I provided Spencer with a
> cornucopia of chews, and he still ate record albums, couches, etc.  But
> that does not happen with all dogs.  I think it might have been the
> likelihood that he's part lab -- and labs are known to be major
> chewers.  Bernard never chewed anything, except paper napkins, that was
> not one of his designated toys.)


        My dad's bassett hound eats *everything*.  I think that may
be the root of Spencer's habit.



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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> Yes.  That's a size 7 helmet, and I use a smaller size than
> that.  Maybe a little small, but not abnormal or anything.

THANK YOU!  I was beginning to feel disappointed in Words-L that nobody
had replied, either telling me that it sounded reasonable or telling me
that I had screwed up.  I was not at all sure of what I was doing when
taking the measurement.  I was serious, btw, when I said that there's
something odd about my head (as in its physical shape).  The motorcycle
helmet shopping was truly difficult.  I can't remember now the details
of it -- just that most of the helmets didn't fit right and that only a
too-expensive one felt ok -- a bright orange one.  I wonder whatever
happened to it.  Maybe we got rid of the helmets when we got rid of the
motorcycle.  I have no memory of getting rid of it either.  (The purpose
of the motorcycle was for use as a second vehicle in Knoxville since we
had different schedules and lived far away from our destinations, with
no public transportation.  So I used the car, and my at-that-time
husband used the motorcycle -- for our everyday life.  On weekends,
though, we sometimes motorcycled over to the mountains and then hiked.
That was why I needed a helmet.  I never drove the motorcycle solo.  I
tried to get the hang of it a few times on our street, but it was just
too big for me.  I realized that I couldn't handle it.)

Re what you wrote above, you're saying that my head size is a little
small but that yours is even smaller?  Are we pinheads or what?

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Natalie Maynor wrote:


> Re what you wrote above, you're saying that my head size is a little
> small but that yours is even smaller?  Are we pinheads or what?
>


        My riding helmet is a 6 7/8.  Ana's helmet is a 6 5/8, and
her head has always been on the lower end of the charts
(it's one of those routine measurements they do for young
kids), so yes, I'd classify us as pinheads :).




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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> This doesn't even scrape the surface of my day today:

Your life does indeed stay interesting!

And I just remembered that I asked a secretary today when the Jabborwock
was mailed out, and she didn't know.  She said, "I guess it's whenever
Sarah[?] and them get it together."  I think Sarah is the name.  I knew
who she was talking about -- a former TA, now a Lecturer, who is editor
of it.  The secretary added that Sarah(?) had been in her office quite a
bit lately, so that may mean it's coming out soon.  (I walked by her
office and saw darkness under the presumably locked door today, though
-- but that was this morning -- she might have been there later.)

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         My dad's bassett hound eats *everything*.  I think that may
> be the root of Spencer's habit.

That what?  Bassetthoundedness?  That's certainly a possibility.  It's
very hard trying to decide what all is in his background -- or rather I
should say it's impossible.  Bassett hound is a possibility.  His body
is the body of a bloodhound, but he doesn't have the droopy skin or long
ears or slobber of a bloodhound.  His coloring makes me think beagle,
but then beagle colors are shared by many other breeds, including
bassetts -- and I think I just like thinking beagle (but people say to
me that he looks beaglish).  And then there's the lab thing.  The
Furrbabies people first planted that thought in my mind -- saying that
he played exactly like a lab.  And when I looked at his face, I did
think that it was lab-like.

All of the above possibilities fit with the fact that he is kind and
gentle (with people -- not with the prey he stalks -- like the
bird-murder and squirrel-murder).  With people of all ages he is
extremely gentle.  I'm sure I've mentioned before that I found it funny
when I was taking Buddy, my mother's dog, to the nursing home frequently
and taking Spencer occasionally.  Buddy looked like a sweet, loving dog,
but I watched him carefully because I knew that he was actually kind of
snippy.  Spencer, otoh, might be considered a somewhat scary-looking
dog.  At first glance he does not look sweet and loving.  But he is
those things.  I had no worries at all about taking him to the nursing
home.  (I took him for the pet parades for that reason -- both while my
mother was there and after she died.)

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> so yes, I'd classify us as pinheads :).

Hmm.  One of my brother's many labels for me in childhood was "pinhead."

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At 07:05 PM 7/31/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>...  Find him strapped to back board with IV.  Find
>out the accident was beyond minor, but he made the mistake
>of saying his shoulders were sore.

Sounds familiar.  Several years ago now, I was in an accident.  I was
riding in the rear seat and apparently with a little slack in the
seat/shoulder belt--or else the belt travelled a little bit before seizing
up.  When we hit, I got the wind knocked out (and it turned out, a very
lovely, multicolored, bruised chest).  Anyhow; when the EMTs arrived, I
told them that a few years earlier, I had been in another accident and as a
result, had a compression fracture of L1.  Next thing I knew, I was flat on
my back on a board with a head and neck restraint and on the way to the
emergency room.  They don't take chances.

And---the nurse will probably say to him what I was told:  As bad as you
feel now, you'll feel a lot worse tomorrow.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >         My dad's bassett hound eats *everything*.  I think that may
> > be the root of Spencer's habit.
>
> That what?  Bassetthoundedness?  That's certainly a possibility.  It's

Another memory just popped into my head re basset hounds.  I don't
remember that the bassetts were major chewers (we had three, but that
was after I was in college and later -- they weren't my childhood
dogs).  But I do remember my mother's funny story involving one of them
who had destroyed a chair.  A chair-fixer (upholsterer -- whatever) came
out to pick it up to be fixed and promised it back that same day because
my mother said something about how the dog had eaten it and her husband
would kill her if he saw the damage.  She said that the man took that
all quite seriously and said, "Yes, M'am -- I will get it back to you
this afternoon.  Don't you worry."  My mother found that all hilarious
because Daddy was a huge dog-lover, as well as being a very much
non-angry sort.  (I can't remember now why my mother said that she said
that to the man -- it wasn't some kind of devious scheme to get the
chair back quickly -- she wasn't that type at all -- I think it was just
general conversation that gave a wrong impression.)  Anyway, we all had
some laughs out of that incident.

I'm still thinking about Spencer and bassettness.  I'm not really sure
about his intelligence level.  At times he seems smart, but then at
other times he seems dumb.  And bassetts don't have the brightest brain
bulbs in dogdom -- except for Dumplin, who was quite smart.  Her husband
Sam wasn't really dumb either, though he was crazy.  Their son Trouble
was indeed quite dumb.  He would stand at the back door waiting for one
of his parents to open it for him even after he was pretty old.  His
mother  (Dumplin) would take a paw and open the back door.  No need for
a doggy-door.  Sam, the father, would use his nose to open it.  Poor
Trouble just stood and waited for his parents.  And then there was the
time guests were over and there was a thump as the back door closed.
They looked surprised, like who is that?  My mother said, "Oh that was
just one of the dogs coming in."  And the person looked even more
confused.

I love these dog memories.  I'm trying to remember which one it was,
Trouble I think it was, who was snoring under the piano during a boring
church circle presentation.  I wasn't there, of course.  My mother told
me the story.  She said that somebody was going on and on and on with a
boring presentation and that she noticed Selby McRae stifling giggles.
When she asked Selby what she was laughing about, she said that the dog
was snoring (appropriately).

What would the world be without dogs?

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> What kind of old recordings?  Where exactly on the
> LC site were you
> listening to?
>
> And I'm suddenly reminded that one of these days I'm
> going to send clo
> all those old audiotapes.  Where does time go?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

There were recordings of vaudeville sketches from 1915
- 1919; recordings made by a couple who went about the
South in 1939, making records in Texas, SC, AL, etc. -
all kinds of things, hymns sung by congregations,
animal calls.  Recordings made in migrant worker camps
- music and singing, mostly.I went to the link
"American Memory" and clicked on sound recordings,
then audio titles.

I could listen forever, just as I was fascinated by
Dr. Borkin's suggested link featuring the "stupid
paragraph".




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  Bernard never chewed anything, except
> paper napkins, that was
> not one of his designated toys.)
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

The dog we have now is a mixed hound and was a big
time chewer.  Now, her preference is for Chap stick.
I have to put it out of reach.

But this is the first dog I've had (of many) who
really enjoyed and felt possessive of her own plush
squeaky toys.

Just a caution, at first.  Her bladder is small at
this stage, so don't expect wonders in the house-
breaking department.  She'll need to go out after each
meal.

I'll be interested to hear how she and Sweetie resolve
their standoff.


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> the brightest brain
> bulbs in dogdom -- except for Dumplin, who was quite
> smart.  Her husband
> Sam wasn't really dumb either, though he was crazy.
> Their son Trouble
> was indeed quite dumb.  He would stand at the back
> door waiting for one
> of his parents to open it for him even after he was
> pretty old.  His
> mother  (Dumplin) would take a paw and open the back
> door.  No need for
> a doggy-door.  Sam, the father, would use his nose
> to open it.  Poor
> Trouble just stood and waited for his parents.  And
> then there was the
> time guests were over and there was a thump as the
> back door closed.
> They looked surprised, like who is that?  My mother
> said, "Oh that was
> just one of the dogs coming in."  And the person
> looked even more
> confused.
>
> I love these dog memories.  I'm trying to remember
> which one it was,
> Trouble I think it was, who was snoring under the
> piano during a boring
> church circle presentation.  I wasn't there, of
> course.  My mother told
> me the story.  She said that somebody was going on
> and on and on with a
> boring presentation and that she noticed Selby McRae
> stifling giggles.
> When she asked Selby what she was laughing about,
> she said that the dog
> was snoring (appropriately).
>
> What would the world be without dogs?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Jaysie, the current canine mistress of our abode, is
judged to be 90% Basset hound (How any one can figure
these per centages, I do not know.)  She is not
particularly bright.  But she is sweet and winsome.

Unfortunately, she, also, is a bird-murderer.  The
squirrels are to smart for her.  I took a dead
mockingbird away from her tonight.  Boy, is she in the
dog house.


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You're definitely a survivor! Glad he's okay.

Karen

On Thursday, July 31, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> This doesn't even scrape the surface of my day today:

> Entertain 7-year-old for 3 hours while car is being
> repaired.  Get home to message on answering machine from
> hospital.  Go visit my brand new fucking truck at the liquor
> store in a bad neighborhood to inspect damage.  Don't see
> any.  Go to hospital to inspect damage to He Who Is In the
> Doghouse.  Find him strapped to back board with IV.  Find
> out the accident was beyond minor, but he made the mistake
> of saying his shoulders were sore. God only knows what
> they're doing to him; we left. Spend evening trying to find
> somebody to help me go get truck from fucking ghetto before
> it gets dark and the thing ends up stripped.  Oh yeah, I'm
> just waiting for it to get better when I go back to retrieve
> him.

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Natalie,

The couple who made recordings throughout the South
was John and Ruby Lomax.

One of the numbers I love is "Allah's Holiday" by
Rudolph Friml.  Recorded in 1917 and performed by the
Jaudas Society Orchestra.  It's so typical of the
music of the period.  It is one of Edison's Diamond
Disc recordings.

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clyde w. voigtlander wrote:


> And---the nurse will probably say to him what I was told:  As bad as you
> feel now, you'll feel a lot worse tomorrow.


        Yes, she said that, and he got a prescription for drugs.
Maybe I should have gone to the hospital when I wrecked his
van last year.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Lynne Weber wrote:

>   She is not
> particularly bright.  But she is sweet and winsome.

That sounds soooo bassetthoundish!

> Unfortunately, she, also, is a bird-murderer.  The
> squirrels are to smart for her.  I took a dead
> mockingbird away from her tonight.  Boy, is she in the
> dog house.

I assume you mean that you took the dead bird from her while expressing
disgust to her.  Do you feel guilty about that?  I keep worrying that
Spencer is a born hunter and really wants to hunt and that my disdain is
<unfair>.  But I can't help it -- my horror when he murders something
just hops right out -- and he of course senses my horror even though I
don't <punish> him or anything like that.

As I've said before on this <service>, I have a different attitude
toward hunting dogs after having known Spencer.  I used to feel sorry
for them -- the dedicated hunting dogs who live in pens with boring food
and don't seem to have a <life> except for going hunting.  I honestly
think that Spencer would love such a life -- that he would revel in it.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>This doesn't even scrape the surface of my day today:
>>
>
> Your life does indeed stay interesting!


        It does.  We went on a lovely two-hour bird watch this
morning, though.  And I did get most of a Faulkner novel
read while we were waiting for the car and waiting in the
emergency room.  I'm afraid the emergency room entertainment
was much better than the Faulkner novel. They had some FOX
program running on the TV about accidents involving enormous
hunks of metal and peoples' skulls.  And one family appeared
to be having a get-together of some sort; they bought all
kinds of soda from the machine and were passing around baby
pictures and telling stories, etc.

        BTW, Kevin is absolutely fine.  I knew that because on the
original answering machine message, I could hear him in the
background giving the nurse orders about what to tell me.
He says he is never driving my truck again, and I told him
that suits me fine ;).


> And I just remembered that I asked a secretary today when the Jabborwock
> was mailed out, and she didn't know.  She said, "I guess it's whenever
> Sarah[?] and them get it together."  I think Sarah is the name.  I knew
> who she was talking about -- a former TA, now a Lecturer, who is editor
> of it.  The secretary added that Sarah(?) had been in her office quite a
> bit lately, so that may mean it's coming out soon.  (I walked by her
> office and saw darkness under the presumably locked door today, though
> -- but that was this morning -- she might have been there later.)


        Thanks for checking for me.  I was just curious.  I get all
excited about these things, you know.




--
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Lynne Weber wrote:

> The couple who made recordings throughout the South
> was John and Ruby Lomax.

Oh yes.  I know the Lomaxes well -- as in know well about them.   I just
wasn't sure what kind of stuff you were listening to, as in music or
talk or what.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> Maybe I should have gone to the hospital when I wrecked his
> van last year.

:-)  You'll know next time.  Turnabout's fair play and all that.

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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> My grandfather had one, from the days when he ran the lassi stall
> on Annie Besant Road ...

AND I am one of the current incarnations of -DRUMROLL- Annie Besant
!!!!!!!!!!

It's so obvious, I don't know why I didn't realize it until now.  "Anna
Borinki" came to me in a name tag, Annie Besant was there all along but I
never recognized it until now.

-I'd like to work the dog Lassie in there somehow but that'd be forcing
it.

-What was Orphan Annie's dog's name?

Ann

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>   And I did get most of a Faulkner novel
> read while we were waiting for the car and waiting in the
> emergency room.

Which one?

> I'm afraid the emergency room entertainment
> was much better than the Faulkner novel. They had some FOX
> program running on the TV about accidents involving enormous
> hunks of metal and peoples' skulls.

Oh yes.  Things like that can be distracting.  Did I mention eating an
oyster-poboy in Gulfport Saturday while watching the aftermath of a
truck's having ripped the whole front off of a car?  Re skulls, was it
California where somebody has been stealing body parts, including
heads?  I'm really feeling out of it re news.  Don't know why my time
has gotten so jammed up here when I'm a <person of leisure>, but somehow
it has.

> And one family appeared
> to be having a get-together of some sort; they bought all
> kinds of soda from the machine and were passing around baby
> pictures and telling stories, etc.

In my experience, that is typical hospital waiting-area behavior.

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> > Unfortunately, she, also, is a bird-murderer.  The
> > squirrels are to smart for her.  I took a dead
> > mockingbird away from her tonight.  Boy, is she in
> the
> > dog house.

Yes, in fact, I guess I was too expressive of disgust,
as she disappeared under the deck and wouldn't emerge
until I guess she thought I had forgotten about the
whole incident.
>
> I assume you mean that you took the dead bird from
> her while expressing
> disgust to her.  Do you feel guilty about that?  I
> keep worrying that
> Spencer is a born hunter and really wants to hunt
> and that my disdain is
> <unfair>.  But I can't help it -- my horror when he
> murders something
> just hops right out -- and he of course senses my
> horror even though I
> don't <punish> him or anything like that.

  I honestly
> think that Spencer would love such a life -- that he
> would revel in it.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I'm of the opinion that Jaysie would like to have the
best of both worlds.  And we DO get disgusted with her
antics, but then we rationalize her behavior to each
other.  A good scolding goes a long way with her.  I
don't really feel guilty about scolding her, as she is
blessed with a very good life, she just does not know
it.


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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>  And I did get most of a Faulkner novel
>>read while we were waiting for the car and waiting in the
>>emergency room.
>>
>
> Which one?


        The Sound and the Fury.  I'm afraid I am finding it
completely dreadful. Faulker is not for me.


>>And one family appeared
>>to be having a get-together of some sort; they bought all
>>kinds of soda from the machine and were passing around baby
>>pictures and telling stories, etc.
>>
>
> In my experience, that is typical hospital waiting-area behavior.


        It would never occur to me to drag several generations with
me to the emergency room.



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--- Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > My grandfather had one, from the days when he ran
> the lassi stall
> > on Annie Besant Road ...
>
> AND I am one of the current incarnations of
> -DRUMROLL- Annie Besant
> !!!!!!!!!!
>
> It's so obvious, I don't know why I didn't realize
> it until now.  "Anna
> Borinki" came to me in a name tag, Annie Besant was
> there all along but I
> never recognized it until now.
>
> -I'd like to work the dog Lassie in there somehow
> but that'd be forcing
> it.
>
> -What was Orphan Annie's dog's name?
>
> Ann

Sandy.


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

> > -What was Orphan Annie's dog's name?
> >
> > Ann
>
> Sandy.

Oh.  Thanks.

"Smoothie" would have been better.

Does numerology attract you?  It does me.

Ann

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Lynne Weber wrote:


> I'm of the opinion that Jaysie would like to have the
> best of both worlds.  And we DO get disgusted with her
> antics, but then we rationalize her behavior to each
> other.  A good scolding goes a long way with her.  I
> don't really feel guilty about scolding her, as she is
> blessed with a very good life, she just does not know
> it.

Vinnie does.  I didn't take him out to the conservation area
today because we wanted to watch the birds, but when I do
take him I encourage him to find the quail (I could hear
them calling today).  The times I've taken him on a hunt,
I've let him eat one of the dead birds.  Quail are almost
more work than they're worth to cook.




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In a message dated 7/31/2003 9:48:54 PM Central Daylight Time, 
aborkin@RAHUL.NET writes:
<<
-What was Orphan Annie's dog's name?
>>

Sandy.

Got a call from a creditor; it was from one of the checks that was stolen.
I had sent this creditor a letter from the bank; I'm going to have to call
them tomorrow and tell them to call the bank.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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> Oh.  Thanks.
>
> "Smoothie" would have been better.

Yes, I agree, but its application would probably have
been obscure to the folk of that day.
>
> Does numerology attract you?  It does me.
>
> Ann

I don't really know.  Why does it attract you?


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> I don't really know.  Why does it attract you?

I welcome your question.  It doesn't attract me anymore.

It attracted me because I thought it attached meaning and color to
numbers.  But after a few (well, only one) google search, I see it's as
boring as astrology.  I mean, its meanings are boring and there's no
color.

I adduce:
http://members.aol.com/AspireA1/index2.html

Ann

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> Vinnie does.  I didn't take him out to the
> conservation area
> today because we wanted to watch the birds, but when
> I do
> take him I encourage him to find the quail (I could
> hear
> them calling today).  The times I've taken him on a
> hunt,
> I've let him eat one of the dead birds.  Quail are
> almost
> more work than they're worth to cook.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita

It would seem that some hunting breeds are much closer
to their roots than others.  Even a drop of ordinary
dog blood seems to domesticate other breeds.  After
all, I wonder how long it's been since a Basset hound
actually hunted for his living?
>
>


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> Got a call from a creditor; it was from one of the
> checks that was stolen.
> I had sent this creditor a letter from the bank; I'm
> going to have to call
> them tomorrow and tell them to call the bank.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> life:  music and cats."
> --Albert Schweitzer

I don't suppose the authorities are making any
progress on the case (?)


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> I think I  hoped for maybe some synaesthesia -
> because I know that for
> some people, different numbers have different colors
> - along with meanings
> for those colors, and mixing of colors and meanings.
>
> What meanings do I desire?  Well, not the
> predictions of astronomy or palm
> reading.  I really don't know.  I hoped for NEW
> meanings.
>
> Ann

I had to look "synaesthesia" up.  Interesting, it's a
new concept to me.  That's what I like about
Wordslers, I'm always learning something.  Are you
searching for NEW meanings of a terribly profound
nature?


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BTW, where will Daisy sleep tonight?

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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

> Wordslers, I'm always learning something.  Are you
> searching for NEW meanings of a terribly profound
> nature?

Nah, not profound, just novel, I guess.

Ann

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In a message dated 7/31/2003 10:20:23 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
I don't suppose the authorities are making any
progress on the case (?)

>>

No, when I got the cell phone bill with the calls the thieves had
made, I called the police to notify them of the numbers called;
the person who answered the phone said that she was going
to send me a form to fill out and send back with a copy of the
bill, but I haven't received anything.  I'm in the middle of an
8-day workathon (1-800 number for donations pending), so I
won't be able to go to the police station until Monday.
(And I have a cold, so I feel crappy at work.)

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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  I mean, its meanings are
> boring and there's no
> color.
>
> I adduce:
> http://members.aol.com/AspireA1/index2.html
>
> Ann

Well, I'm glad you are no longer attracted to it.  I
don't like numbers much anyway, there's no imagination
to them.  They are just there.  And it (numerology)
seems like so much hocus pocus.  What  type of color
do you desire?


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Lynne Weber wrote:


> It would seem that some hunting breeds are much closer
> to their roots than others.  Even a drop of ordinary
> dog blood seems to domesticate other breeds.  After
> all, I wonder how long it's been since a Basset hound
> actually hunted for his living?


Well, many dogs hunt for their living -- mostly English
setters and pointers, but a few other breeds as well.  They
are trained to the master level and leased to hunters
(Vinnie is only trained to the junior level).  I don't know
about Basset hounds hunting for a living, but many of them
certainly still hunt in the traditional manner:
http://www.bassetnet.com/





--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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        Spencer looks Bassett-y to me.  In fact, for the first few
days I was at my parents', I kept wanting to call Ralphie
"Spencer."

        Ralphie ate all the landscaping plants in the back yard.  He
eats shingles off the house.  He ate about a dozen of Ana's
toys, her sandals, and one pair of pants with underwear.
This is a dog who has more toys than I had as a child.  Very
sweet and loving, and of course just a pup still.  But he
does tend to need to think everything through very
thoroughly.  I'm worried that he limps, though.  I have to
take another look at a proper Basset gait, because his does
not look healthy.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>>>        My dad's bassett hound eats *everything*.  I think that may
>>>be the root of Spencer's habit.
>>>
>>That what?  Bassetthoundedness?  That's certainly a possibility.  It's
>>
>
> Another memory just popped into my head re basset hounds.  I don't
> remember that the bassetts were major chewers (we had three, but that
> was after I was in college and later -- they weren't my childhood
> dogs).  But I do remember my mother's funny story involving one of them
> who had destroyed a chair.  A chair-fixer (upholsterer -- whatever) came
> out to pick it up to be fixed and promised it back that same day because
> my mother said something about how the dog had eaten it and her husband
> would kill her if he saw the damage.  She said that the man took that
> all quite seriously and said, "Yes, M'am -- I will get it back to you
> this afternoon.  Don't you worry."  My mother found that all hilarious
> because Daddy was a huge dog-lover, as well as being a very much
> non-angry sort.  (I can't remember now why my mother said that she said
> that to the man -- it wasn't some kind of devious scheme to get the
> chair back quickly -- she wasn't that type at all -- I think it was just
> general conversation that gave a wrong impression.)  Anyway, we all had
> some laughs out of that incident.
>
> I'm still thinking about Spencer and bassettness.  I'm not really sure
> about his intelligence level.  At times he seems smart, but then at
> other times he seems dumb.  And bassetts don't have the brightest brain
> bulbs in dogdom -- except for Dumplin, who was quite smart.  Her husband
> Sam wasn't really dumb either, though he was crazy.  Their son Trouble
> was indeed quite dumb.  He would stand at the back door waiting for one
> of his parents to open it for him even after he was pretty old.  His
> mother  (Dumplin) would take a paw and open the back door.  No need for
> a doggy-door.  Sam, the father, would use his nose to open it.  Poor
> Trouble just stood and waited for his parents.  And then there was the
> time guests were over and there was a thump as the back door closed.
> They looked surprised, like who is that?  My mother said, "Oh that was
> just one of the dogs coming in."  And the person looked even more
> confused.
>
> I love these dog memories.  I'm trying to remember which one it was,
> Trouble I think it was, who was snoring under the piano during a boring
> church circle presentation.  I wasn't there, of course.  My mother told
> me the story.  She said that somebody was going on and on and on with a
> boring presentation and that she noticed Selby McRae stifling giggles.
> When she asked Selby what she was laughing about, she said that the dog
> was snoring (appropriately).
>
> What would the world be without dogs?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>


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  I'm in the
> middle of an
> 8-day workathon (1-800 number for donations
> pending), so I
> won't be able to go to the police station until
> Monday.
> (And I have a cold, so I feel crappy at work.)
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> life:  music and cats."
> --Albert Schweitzer

It's a delicate balancing act, you have to keep after
them (the police) sometimes, but if you annoy them,
well...  Still, you should be able to have that form
mailed to you.  It would be easier for them, as well.


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> seems like so much hocus pocus.  What  type of color
> do you desire?

I think I  hoped for maybe some synaesthesia - because I know that for
some people, different numbers have different colors - along with meanings
for those colors, and mixing of colors and meanings.

What meanings do I desire?  Well, not the predictions of astronomy or palm
reading.  I really don't know.  I hoped for NEW meanings.

Ann

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In a message dated 7/31/2003 10:33:37 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
It's a delicate balancing act, you have to keep after
them (the police) sometimes, but if you annoy them,
well...  Still, you should be able to have that form
mailed to you.  It would be easier for them, as well.

>>

I was able to trace one number called, but I guess the 
rest of the personal numbers are cell phones, because
AOL white pages reverse directory had no record of them.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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On Thursday, July 31, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> seems like so much hocus pocus.  What  type of color
>> do you desire?

> I think I  hoped for maybe some synaesthesia - because I know that for
> some people, different numbers have different colors - along with meanings
> for those colors, and mixing of colors and meanings.

> What meanings do I desire?  Well, not the predictions of astronomy or palm
> reading.  I really don't know.  I hoped for NEW meanings.

The language referenced in... that movie with Richard Dreyfuss and the
mudpile. Close Encounters. Anyway, that language uses colors and
numbers.

Karen

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> I was able to trace one number called, but I guess
> the
> rest of the personal numbers are cell phones,
> because
> AOL white pages reverse directory had no record of
> them.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> life:  music and cats."
> --Albert Schweitzer

Yes, it was rather silly of them to make even one call
that could be traced, but I guess if they were smart,
they wouldn't be stealing at all.

What is the population of your city?  Is there a large
police force?


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On Thursday, July 31, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> I was able to trace one number called, but I guess the
> rest of the personal numbers are cell phones, because
> AOL white pages reverse directory had no record of them.

I wouldn't accept that as the last word. There are other reverse
directories on the web.

Karen

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> > What meanings do I desire?  Well, not the
> predictions of astronomy or palm
> > reading.  I really don't know.  I hoped for NEW
> meanings.
>
> The language referenced in... that movie with
> Richard Dreyfuss and the
> mudpile. Close Encounters. Anyway, that language
> uses colors and
> numbers.
>
> Karen

And mashed potatoes.


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On Thursday, July 31, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> > What meanings do I desire?  Well, not the
>> predictions of astronomy or palm
>> > reading.  I really don't know.  I hoped for NEW
>> meanings.
>>
>> The language referenced in... that movie with
>> Richard Dreyfuss and the
>> mudpile. Close Encounters. Anyway, that language
>> uses colors and
>> numbers.
>>
>> Karen

> And mashed potatoes.

I don't know about that. I don't remember the name of the language,
either, but it was developed independently from and far earlier than
the movie.

Karen

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In a message dated 7/31/2003 10:47:39 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
What is the population of your city?  Is there a large
police force?

>>

Tulsa's a large city with not enough police officers.
I would have had a better response in Mogadore;
a small town in Ohio I lived in for 20 years where the
police knew everyone.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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> Tulsa's a large city with not enough police
> officers.
> I would have had a better response in Mogadore;
> a small town in Ohio I lived in for 20 years where
> the
> police knew everyone.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> life:  music and cats."
> --Albert Schweitzer

Yes, there are some things about a small town that
make a little better.


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In a message dated 7/31/2003 10:47:39 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Yes, it was rather silly of them to make even one call
that could be traced, but I guess if they were smart,
they wouldn't be stealing at all.

>>

They called my home phone from the cell phone (after
blocking the cell phone from caller ID), and they called
my bank from the cell phone.  After I notified the 
cell phone company, the thieves spent almost $60 in
calls to the cell-phone customer service number.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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In a message dated 7/31/2003 10:47:58 PM Central Daylight Time, 
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
<<
I wouldn't accept that as the last word. There are other reverse
directories on the web.

>>

I found one that was going to charge $7 per number.
Naturally, I didn't use that one.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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--- Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> > Wordslers, I'm always learning something.  Are you
> > searching for NEW meanings of a terribly profound
> > nature?
>
> Nah, not profound, just novel, I guess.
>
> Ann

Well, keep us informed of the twists your quest takes.
 We'll use you as the guinea pig.  Sometimes living
vicariously is the truly lazy cop out.

But, if I come up with anything novel(which is highly
doubtful), you will be on the tip of my mind.


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In a message dated 7/31/2003 10:48:16 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
BTW, where will Daisy sleep tonight?

>>

In Mom's bathroom.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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Time for me to start my reading.  I'm returning to W.
Churchill tonight, and probably some time to come.
The biographer is Roy Jenkins, and he finished writing
the book when he was 80 yoa.  He is a superb writer.

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In a message dated 7/31/2003 10:56:28 PM Central Daylight Time, 
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<<
Yes, there are some things about a small town that
make a little better.

>>

Yes, I do miss Mogadore sometimes.  We had a big 
yard and a garden, and the cats could go outside
during the day.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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On Thursday, July 31, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> In a message dated 7/31/2003 10:47:58 PM Central Daylight Time,
> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> <<
> I wouldn't accept that as the last word. There are other reverse
> directories on the web.

>>>

> I found one that was going to charge $7 per number.
> Naturally, I didn't use that one.

No, but there are several free ones.

Karen

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > Which one?
>
>         The Sound and the Fury.  I'm afraid I am finding it
> completely dreadful. Faulker is not for me.

I've never been much of a Faulkner fan, though there are a few of his
shorter things that I like ok.

> > In my experience, that is typical hospital waiting-area behavior.
>
>         It would never occur to me to drag several generations with
> me to the emergency room.

I've never been sure why people do it -- like when it's not as if the
family is gathering there because of a serious injury/illness.  It's
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person who has the appointment.  It seems to be race-related here --
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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         Spencer looks Bassett-y to me.  In fact, for the first few
> days I was at my parents', I kept wanting to call Ralphie
> "Spencer."

Spencer is flattered.  I referred to him as Bernard again not long ago
for the first time in ages.  I think it was after I had dreamed about
Bernard, as I often do.  I also think Spencer has a bassetty look.  It
really would be fun to know what all he is.  I wish I could figure out
how to do genealogical research on him.

>         Ralphie ate all the landscaping plants in the back yard.  He

This is why I have to plant tomatoes on the outside of the fence instead
of in the backyard.  Spencer dug them all up the time I tried planting
them on his turf.

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Do batteries in digital cameras notice and remember how far drained they
are when you recharge them?  So far I've done it only when they're
totally drained -- when the little "charge batteries" message hops onto
the screen thing.  But I'm having trouble making the ones in it right
now get used up so that I can recharge them, which I need to do before
leaving on my upcoming trip.

Hmm.  Maybe I should drain them by trying to figure out how to look at
pictures still on its disk.  I've never done that.

The batteries are Energizer ACCU, if that's relevant.  Or at least I
guess that's what the ones currently in the camera are.  It's what the
ones sitting in the recharger on my desk are.

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Lynne Weber writes,

>international libraries - not equivalents, but
>similarly structured - available on-line?

Found a couple:

Bibliothèque nationale du Québec
<http://www.bnquebec.ca/musique_78trs/accueil.htm>

The British Library Sound Archive
<http://www.bl.uk/collections/sound-archive/nsa.html>
Mostly off-line collection, but they have some samples online.  Check e.g.,
Florence Nightingale (1890) at
<http://www.bl.uk/collections/sound-archive/history.html>

Here is a collection of links (mostly US):
<http://lib.nmsu.edu/instruction/audio&more.htm>

You might also like the Internet Archive's Moving Image collections:
<http://www.archive.org/movies/movies.php>, especially the Prelinger Archives.

Pete

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07:58 31.07.2003 -0700 skrev Ann Borkin:
>LASSI
>1 1/4 cups plain yogurt
>1/2 teaspoon lemon juice
>1/2 cup fresh mango pulp
>1/3 cup cold water
>4 tablespoons honey or sugar
>9-10 standard-size ice cubes.

Hmmm. Rashmi/Tushar: my idea of a basic lassi is cold yougurt and water with either salt or sugar. Adding fruit juice is extra, isn't it?

Espen

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12:52 31.07.2003 -0600 skrev Dan Lester:
>7/31/2003, 12:24 PM, Lynne Weber wrote:
>
>LW> Could this be a matter of avoiding prosecution of
>LW> multi-national ships' captains?  But no, any captains
>LW> would have to be in Norwegian territorial waters to be
>LW> prosecuted, right?  But there must be some cogent
>LW> reason for it, it can't be a matter of omission.
>
>      Why not?  All sorts of things get omitted all the time. Until a
>      couple years ago it was illegal to drive intoxicated in Idaho,
>      booze and drugs included.  Except they forgot to include
>      marijuana in the drugs, so if you were stoned on pot, you were
>      home free, but not if on booze or other drugs.  After a guy won
>      his case in State Supreme Court on this, they changed the law.
>
>      Imagine they wrote the law after some drunken sailor killed
>      somebody, and since no one ever drunkenly put a liner into a
>      pier, they never bothered.  Or the commercial captain may be
>      covered under licensing or other regulations.

Actually there have been some cases of fairly large freight ships going on the rocks (literally) while the captain or whoever was supposed to maneuver was slleping it out on the deck. One reason for the way it is (or has been, it will be changed so that there will be an alcohol limit also for larger ships) may be that accidents, sinkings or whatever with larger ships also fall under a special system of commisions, special courts of law etc. which were supposed also to take drunkenness into consideration.

Espen

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This is yet another IMFTATL: I wish to make a prototype or a proof of concept demonstration of external tagging (and linking). By external I mean that there is a text (in the general idea text might here mean an image, sound or video as well, but for the time being I stick with text).

In ordinary use of e.g. XML the codes are part of the file. Similarely in HTML (which basically is SGML) the linking mechanism is based on tags in the text. Now I wish to be able to store the tags, including links, outside the text. Why? For one thing this would be a more general solution and come closer to the Nelson/Bush hypertext-idea. I could also imagine scholarly text editions where individual scholars can make their own comment-sets and link that with the text, so that I might read a text and say that I wish to see this text with Dr. X's commentary network linked into it. Such a system might also allow me to write comments or even editing tags for texts where I do not have write permission: texts on CDs and texts on servers run by other institutions just to mention some cases.

Now before I start to write something from scratch I wonder: is there software  made for wikis (or maybe for topic maps) which might allow me to do what I wish or which may be tweaked into doing so much of what i wish that it will work for demonstration purposes? Any ideas anyone?

Espen

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Rita Chapman
>Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 8:06 PM
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>
>This doesn't even scrape the surface of my day today:
>
>Entertain 7-year-old for 3 hours while car is being
>repaired.  Get home to message on answering machine from
>hospital.  Go visit my brand new fucking truck at the liquor
>store in a bad neighborhood to inspect damage.  Don't see
>any.  Go to hospital to inspect damage to He Who Is In the
>Doghouse.  Find him strapped to back board with IV.  Find
>out the accident was beyond minor, but he made the mistake
>of saying his shoulders were sore. God only knows what
>they're doing to him; we left. Spend evening trying to find
>somebody to help me go get truck from fucking ghetto before
>it gets dark and the thing ends up stripped.  Oh yeah, I'm
>just waiting for it to get better when I go back to retrieve
>him.
>
>

If your Husband is so bad and you care so little for him, divorce the fucker
and take the truck.
I would never leave my wife in hospital alone, my opinion.



alec

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>>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Rita Chapman
>>Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 8:06 PM
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>>
>>
>>This doesn't even scrape the surface of my day today:
>>
>>Entertain 7-year-old for 3 hours while car is being
>>repaired.  Get home to message on answering machine from
>>hospital.  Go visit my brand new fucking truck at the liquor
>>store in a bad neighborhood to inspect damage.  Don't see
>>any.  Go to hospital to inspect damage to He Who Is In the
>>Doghouse.  Find him strapped to back board with IV.  Find
>>out the accident was beyond minor, but he made the mistake
>>of saying his shoulders were sore. God only knows what
>>they're doing to him; we left. Spend evening trying to find
>>somebody to help me go get truck from fucking ghetto before
>>it gets dark and the thing ends up stripped.  Oh yeah, I'm
>>just waiting for it to get better when I go back to retrieve
>>him.
>>
>>
>
>If your Husband is so bad and you care so little for him,
>divorce the fucker and take the truck.
>I would never leave my wife in hospital alone, my opinion.
>
>
>
>alec
>

Forgot to say that is my opinion. Not a judgement of Rita's family life.
Just a observation. If I am wrong, cool.



alec

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Spend evening trying to find
>>somebody to help me go get truck from fucking ghetto before
>>it gets dark and the thing ends up stripped.

Call AAA?

Oh yeah, I'm
>>just waiting for it to get better when I go back to retrieve
>>him.

Ick. "Issues," besides. Can't be any fun -- but then it's not supposed to
be, right?


>If your Husband is so bad and you care so little for him,
>divorce the fucker and take the truck.

Hey, it's the "Song of the South"!


>I would never leave my wife in hospital alone, my opinion.


There is also a child to consider, however.

AS

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skrev Espen:
>07:58 31.07.2003 -0700 skrev Ann Borkin:
> >LASSI
> >1 1/4 cups plain yogurt
> >1/2 teaspoon lemon juice
> >1/2 cup fresh mango pulp
> >1/3 cup cold water
> >4 tablespoons honey or sugar
> >9-10 standard-size ice cubes.
>
>Hmmm. Rashmi/Tushar: my idea of a basic lassi is cold yougurt and water
>with either salt or sugar.
>Adding fruit juice is extra, isn't it

Yep. There's no lemon juice, honey (? never heard of honey in lassi)
or ice in home-made lassi. They season it differently in different parts
of the country.

Mango lassi (with a pinch of ground cardamom) is strictly for mango season.

-rashmi

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Natalie Maynor:
= Do batteries in digital cameras notice and remember how far drained they
= are when you recharge them?  So far I've done it only when they're
= totally drained -- when the little "charge batteries" message hops onto
= the screen thing.  But I'm having trouble making the ones in it right
= now get used up so that I can recharge them, which I need to do before
= leaving on my upcoming trip.
=

Different batteries act differently. See this web page:
http://www.unitedvisual.com/2tips/2tcam106.asp


= Hmm.  Maybe I should drain them by trying to figure out how to look at
= pictures still on its disk.  I've never done that.
=
= The batteries are Energizer ACCU, if that's relevant.  Or at least I
= guess that's what the ones currently in the camera are.  It's what the
= ones sitting in the recharger on my desk are.
=

If they are NiMH batteries, which this webpage seems to say they
are, then you can just put them on the charger whenever.

http://www.weisd.com/store/prods/EVENH15BP2.html


steph

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Alec D. Plotkin wrote:


> If your Husband is so bad and you care so little for him, divorce the fucker
> and take the truck.
> I would never leave my wife in hospital alone, my opinion.


        Alec, your skills as a marriage counselor only exceed your
skills as a psychologist.

        Since you have no children, you probably have no concept
about how they factor into decisions.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Amy Burns Short wrote:

> Spend evening trying to find
>
>>>somebody to help me go get truck from fucking ghetto before
>>>it gets dark and the thing ends up stripped.
>>>
>
> Call AAA?


        We wanted to avoid a tow, but that was the last option.  My
neighbor ended up running me up.


> Oh yeah, I'm
>
>>>just waiting for it to get better when I go back to retrieve
>>>him.
>>>
>
> Ick. "Issues," besides. Can't be any fun -- but then it's not supposed to
> be, right?
>


        Well, the waiting room was quite entertaining, and when they
permitted us to go back and retrieve the injured party, he
was joking around with the nurses -- the muscle relaxants
had kicked in :).


>
>>If your Husband is so bad and you care so little for him,
>>divorce the fucker and take the truck.
>>
>
> Hey, it's the "Song of the South"!
>
>
>
>>I would never leave my wife in hospital alone, my opinion.
>>
>
>
> There is also a child to consider, however.


        Indeed.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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From: "Alan Wild" <awild@uri.edu>
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The teaser goes something like this:

There was a wealthy merchant with two sons who each had a fine stallion.
Each son would boast of the speed of his stallion incessantly, to the point
where the merchant father announced a competition that they should race to
the nearest town, only the winner would be whomever arrived last.  hmmm...
So the brothers set out, and in a months time, they were only a hundred or
so yards from the house.  Just then, a "wise man" was seen to have spoken to
them.  The brothers immediately raced off with their stallions toward the
town.

The question is: what was it the wise man said to them?

Help me you crazy Wordslurs! ... and Thanks!

'Alan

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At 09:34 PM 7/31/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>
>
>>And---the nurse will probably say to him what I was told:  As bad as you
>>feel now, you'll feel a lot worse tomorrow.
>
>
>        Yes, she said that, and he got a prescription for drugs.
>Maybe I should have gone to the hospital when I wrecked his
>van last year.

Ayeh---pharmaceutical-level drugs---get all you can.

cwv

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"switch horses"
 
 
BrP
 
 
 
 
Paul Barfoot
Special Collections Research Center
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>>> awild@URI.EDU 08/01/03 11:17AM >>>
The teaser goes something like this:

There was a wealthy merchant with two sons who each had a fine stallion.
Each son would boast of the speed of his stallion incessantly, to the point
where the merchant father announced a competition that they should race to
the nearest town, only the winner would be whomever arrived last.  hmmm...
So the brothers set out, and in a months time, they were only a hundred or
so yards from the house.  Just then, a "wise man" was seen to have spoken to
them.  The brothers immediately raced off with their stallions toward the
town.

The question is: what was it the wise man said to them?

Help me you crazy Wordslurs! ... and Thanks!

'Alan

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"switch horses"


BrP


Excellent!  Is that really the answer?

             - D. M.

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The clue is in the fact that the discussion is about which horse will get there first and not which rider.
 
BrP
 
 


>>> dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM 08/01/03 11:50AM >>>
"switch horses"


BrP


Excellent!  Is that really the answer?

             - D. M.

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steph wrote:

> If they are NiMH batteries, which this webpage seems to say they
> are, then you can just put them on the charger whenever.
>
> http://www.weisd.com/store/prods/EVENH15BP2.html

Hmm.  Those in the picture are a different color from mine.  Mine are
blue and gold, not green and gold.  I wonder whether that's significant.

I notice that my charger says that it charges NiMH & NiCd, so I guess
that means mine are one of those.  ...  Aha.  I just rolled one over
(one of the ones sitting in the charger) and saw that its back says
Hi-Energy Nickel-Metal Hydride.  I wonder why that kind isn't mentioned
in that first url you posted:

>http://www.unitedvisual.com/2tips/2tcam106.asp

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I'm feeling better, having read in still another place that NiMH
batteries don't remember:

*******
A major advantage of NiMH battery
technology, apart from lack of toxicity, is the absence of any memory
effect - NiMH batteries are remarkably tolerant of frequent 'top-up'
charging.
*******
from: http://www.digibattery.co.uk/ni-mh_store1.html#80

I think I'll go on and dump the zillions of pictures of nothing
important onto the computer, erase the disk, and charge the batteries.
I took lots of pictures this morning of bookshelves and bookcases, btw.
And I went out to the storage bldg and took one of my bicycle.  Didn't
go to the trouble of finding the box of racing trophies -- maybe I'll do
that another time.

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On Friday, August 01, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> The clue is in the fact that the discussion is about which horse will get there first and not which rider.

But he didn't actually say that...

Karen

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At 02:50 PM 7/31/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> >  So, when and where did you race.
>
>Early '70s, mainly in Mississippi.
>
> > And what kind of bike do you have
>
>Nishiki Pro.

Huh. Very interesting.

lisa


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Natalie Maynor writes,

>I'm feeling better, having read in still another place that NiMH
>batteries don't remember:

Just to confirm, the Energizer Accu-Rechargables are NiMH, and don't suffer
from memory effects like NiCd's do.

(LiIon is even better than NiMH, but they don't make LiIon AA's -- it's
just used for custom batteries for computers or cameras.)

Pete

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You're right and I actually didn't read the text as 'Alan posted it, but it is a classic b.t. and the classic answer is still "switch horses"
 
BrP
 
 


>>> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM 08/01/03 12:10PM >>>
On Friday, August 01, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> The clue is in the fact that the discussion is about which horse will get there first and not which rider.

But he didn't actually say that...

Karen

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Just to confirm, the Energizer Accu-Rechargables are NiMH, and don't suffer
> from memory effects like NiCd's do.

And now I am feeling even better.  When Pete speaks, I listen.

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> >Nishiki Pro.
>
> Huh. Very interesting.

Well, I dunno.  I trained on a Nishiki International (I think that was
its name -- definitely another kind of Nishiki, which I later sold) and
raced on the Pro, which was much lighter.  I'll show you a picture of
the Pro soon -- or not so soon.  I think I'm going to go eat a sandwich
at City Bagel since I did my campus-going earlier.  I'll then come home
and play a while with the 122 pictures I just dumped onto the computer.
But I should make myself move onward rapidly since I have much to do
today and tomorrow.  My house is a pig-sty, the grass needs cutting,
this room is a gigantic pile of scraps of genealogical stuff that I need
to get into some order before leaving on this trip, Spencer has to be
shown special attention before he goes to Furrbabies tomorrow afternoon,
I have to wash clothes, pack, etc. etc.

I am clearly awash in <anxiety>!  Maybe I'll run into a shrink at City
Bagel and can get help.

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On Friday, August 01, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> You're right and I actually didn't read the text as 'Alan posted it,
> but it is a classic b.t. and the classic answer is still "switch
> horses"

All true.:)

Karen

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On Friday, August 01, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> My house is a pig-sty,

I find that hard to believe.

Karen

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What are Fibredex boxes?  The Wilkes County (NC) bastardy bonds and
records, 1773-1911, are in "5 Fibredex boxes."

I wonder what "Records of Strays, 1822-1839" is -- as in what kind of
strays.  Those dates would cover the time of the impregnation of my
ggg-grandmother by perhaps a stray.  Supposedly his name was Ld.
Richardson, but I plan to eyeball the bastardy bond myself.

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Espen Ore writes,

>demonstration of external tagging (and linking). By external I mean that
>there is a text (in the general idea text might here mean an image, sound
>or video as well, but for the time being I stick with text).

Current wikis wouldn't work, AFAIK.

CritLink <http://annotations.xmlschemata.org/about.html> allowed multiple
annotations of an HTML page stored separately from the original (you didn't
even need direct access to the original file, just a view of it through the
web server).  It used to live at crit.org, but obviously doesn't
anymore.  I kinda know the author, Ka-Ping Yee, and have to correspond with
him on another matter, so I'll ask him if the source code is lying around
somewhere.

There were other things similar to Crit -- a commercial service called
Third Voice, and something I'd not heard about before, Annotea
<http://www.w3.org/2001/Annotea/>.  Crit was server-side, and so usable by
anybody through a web browser.  Annotea looks to be client-side, and
require a special client.

Fotonotes <http://fotonotes.net> and Fotowiki <http://fotowiki.net/>,
created by my friend Greg Elin, allow web-based multiple annotation of
image files, and can store the annotations within JPEG images themselves
without harming the image data.  Greg is always happy to talk about
applications of his technology, so let me know if you'd like me to
introduce you.

Netomat <http://www.netomat.com> uses a small Java client to create and
play multi-layer "netomats," which can contain text, images and links; are
described in an XML application called NML
<http://www.netomat.net/explore/nml/>; and which can be edited by multiple
people yet retain an edit history, like wikis.  In its current form,
annotating a large manuscript might be unwieldy, but it would be great for
creating a demo of the concept, I think.  I recently met Maciej and Alan,
two of the principals there, and likewise would be happy to make an
introduction.

Pete

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At 09:31 01.08.2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Espen Ore writes,
>
>>demonstration of external tagging (and linking). By external I mean that
>>there is a text (in the general idea text might here mean an image, sound
>>or video as well, but for the time being I stick with text).
>
>Current wikis wouldn't work, AFAIK.

OK


>CritLink <http://annotations.xmlschemata.org/about.html> allowed multiple
>annotations of an HTML page stored separately from the original (you didn't
>even need direct access to the original file, just a view of it through the
>web server).  It used to live at crit.org, but obviously doesn't
>anymore.  I kinda know the author, Ka-Ping Yee, and have to correspond with
>him on another matter, so I'll ask him if the source code is lying around
>somewhere.

This sounds very interesting - what I am looking for is exactly something
that lets users use an ordinary web browser and so that everything else is
handled on the server side.


>There were other things similar to Crit -- a commercial service called
>Third Voice, and something I'd not heard about before, Annotea
><http://www.w3.org/2001/Annotea/>.  Crit was server-side, and so usable by
>anybody through a web browser.  Annotea looks to be client-side, and
>require a special client.

Yes, and this is something I don't want.


>Fotonotes <http://fotonotes.net> and Fotowiki <http://fotowiki.net/>,
>created by my friend Greg Elin, allow web-based multiple annotation of
>image files, and can store the annotations within JPEG images themselves
>without harming the image data.  Greg is always happy to talk about
>applications of his technology, so let me know if you'd like me to
>introduce you.

Does this mean that the server takes care of the annotations so that the
users just use an ordinary web browser? In that case I would be happy and
grateful to be introduced.


>Netomat <http://www.netomat.com> uses a small Java client to create and
>play multi-layer "netomats," which can contain text, images and links; are
>described in an XML application called NML
><http://www.netomat.net/explore/nml/>; and which can be edited by multiple
>people yet retain an edit history, like wikis.  In its current form,
>annotating a large manuscript might be unwieldy, but it would be great for
>creating a demo of the concept, I think.  I recently met Maciej and Alan,
>two of the principals there, and likewise would be happy to make an
>introduction.

Again I would be grateful. My "proof of concept" pages will not be much
more than three or four text files each with data equal to something like
10 KB of data.

Espen

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- D. M.:
>How in hell do those people find us, no matter where we are?

The Great Penis knows all and sees all and,
as the Great Penis is a kind and merciful
Penis, wants to offer enlargement to all
his children.

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Wicked!  You guys always come through ;-)



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> On Friday, August 01, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> > You're right and I actually didn't read the text as 'Alan posted it,
> > but it is a classic b.t. and the classic answer is still "switch
> > horses"
>
> All true.:)
>
> Karen

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I recently started printing out TCM monthly timetables for my Mother.
Today when talking over the telephone she asked me what might HOH mean.
It is not inevitable to get to know, we just wonder.

The phrase after some films in the schedule reads, "Subtitles for the
deaf/HOH" (the whole phrase is actually printed in caps). 'H... of
hearing'-something? Handicapped?

Kristin

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skrev Espen,

>Does this mean that the server takes care of the annotations so that the
>users just use an ordinary web browser? In that case I would be happy and
>grateful to be introduced.

Yep, Fotonotes and Fotowiki use a standard web browser and JavaScript.

>Again I would be grateful. My "proof of concept" pages will not be much
>more than three or four text files each with data equal to something like
>10 KB of data.

Note that Fotonotes and Netomat are both in open beta right now -- just
sign up and you can use them, no charge.  Want to play with them first, and
then I'll send them email, or should I just put you together right away?

I'll send you a netomat email (which will be an email with a link to a
small Java client) to see if it's easy to share.

Pete

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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 17:08:23 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
wrote:

>02003-07-31 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
>> a BanApple Lassi with vitiamins added.
>
>What the HELL is this CRAP?!

My God, Tushar asked a question about my post! *swoon*

A yogurt shake with banana and apple blended in for flavor and texture.
Or are you pointing out that I misspelled "vitamins"?

Or are you shocked that in the '70s I was reading Adelle Davis?
clo

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Kristin writes,

>'H... of hearing'-something?

"Hard of hearing".

"Hard" there is sense 10a in m-w:

10 a (1) : difficult to accomplish or resolve : TROUBLESOME <hard problems>
<the true story was hard to come by> (2) : difficult to comprehend or
explain <a hard concept> b : having difficulty in doing something <hard of
hearing> c : difficult to magnetize or demagnetize

Pete

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it's a "hard" question
 
BrP
 
- I used to tell my kids sometimes that they weren't hard of hearing - only hard of listening


>>> Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE 08/01/03 01:32PM >>>
I recently started printing out TCM monthly timetables for my Mother.
Today when talking over the telephone she asked me what might HOH mean.
It is not inevitable to get to know, we just wonder.

The phrase after some films in the schedule reads, "Subtitles for the
deaf/HOH" (the whole phrase is actually printed in caps). 'H... of
hearing'-something? Handicapped?

Kristin

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At 08:32 PM 8/1/2003 +0300, you wrote:
>I recently started printing out TCM monthly timetables for my Mother.
>Today when talking over the telephone she asked me what might HOH mean.
>It is not inevitable to get to know, we just wonder.
>
>The phrase after some films in the schedule reads, "Subtitles for the
>deaf/HOH" (the whole phrase is actually printed in caps). 'H... of
>hearing'-something? Handicapped?
>
>Kristin

My guess is, hard of hearing.

lisa

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 > "Hard" there is sense 10a in m-w:

Typo, there, of course -- 10 *b*.

Pete

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On Friday, August 01, 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> I recently started printing out TCM monthly timetables for my Mother.
> Today when talking over the telephone she asked me what might HOH mean.
> It is not inevitable to get to know, we just wonder.

> The phrase after some films in the schedule reads, "Subtitles for the
> deaf/HOH" (the whole phrase is actually printed in caps). 'H... of
> hearing'-something? Handicapped?

Hard Of Hearing.


Karen

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On Friday, August 01, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> - I used to tell my kids sometimes that they weren't hard of hearing - only hard of listening

I think this phrase comes in the Phrase Book that comes with the
Standard Parenting Kit that you get at the hospital when they are
born. (That's why parents whose children aren't born in hospital tend
to be less trite.)

Karen

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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:34:52 -0500, Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
wrote:

>clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>
>
>> And---the nurse will probably say to him what I was told:  As bad as you
>> feel now, you'll feel a lot worse tomorrow.
>
>
>        Yes, she said that, and he got a prescription for drugs.
>Maybe I should have gone to the hospital when I wrecked his
>van last year.
>
>
>
>
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org

Well, nobody's perfect. If you had only foreseen the outcome, I'm sure
you would have mentioned <your> sore shoulders too.

Glad that you retrieved the truck still relatively intact, and sorry you
 lost a day and had all that worry. How did He who... doghouse hold up
last year when you had the accident? Or was it  also you who did the
running around and arranging that day?

clo

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> Well, many dogs hunt for their living -- mostly English
> setters and pointers, but a few other breeds as well

My little hunter was born yesterday!! Nellie, the mommy viszla had eight puppies -- four males and four females. We're undecided on which sex we want.

I can't wait to see pictures. I can't go see them because we're leaving for the shore in the morning and they are up near Boston.

Marie

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

>  'H... of hearing'-something?

Thank you all for the answer!

Kristin

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > Your life does indeed stay interesting!
>
>         It does.  We went on a lovely two-hour bird watch this
> morning, though.

>         BTW, Kevin is absolutely fine.

> He says he is never driving my truck again, and I told him
> that suits me fine ;).

A happy beginning and so was the end, I see.

Kristin

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Thank you very much!

I will look closer at it tomorrow - I wish to watch a TV transmission now
with Cecilia Bartoli (and other great singers) in "A Turk in italy".

Espen

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         The Sound and the Fury.  I'm afraid I am finding it
> completely dreadful. Faulker is not for me.

I once said it, too. Well, I've still not read through any
Yoknapatawpha-novels. But I guess The Sound and the Fury is a book I'll
read once more at some time. Perhaps it doesn't belong among my absolute
favourites generally, perhaps it never will, but I have a feeling, and
had it when reading it (once or twice? I don't remember), that there was
much more to grasp than I did. Some secret that'll reveal itself to me
when the time is ripe.

Hmm, still TSaTF and the Yoknapatawpha stories seem so different to me
that I had to check from the web whether they both/all were written by
Faulkner or I mixed things up. I didn't. But I will not get rid of this
hesitation till I once have read more.

Kristin

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02003-07-31 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> I don't like numbers much anyway, there's no imagination to them.

If I may ask a short, simple question ...

What the HELL are TALKING ABOUT?

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02003-07-31 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> on the tip of my mind.

What a novel meaning!

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On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, one Evil Twin called the other one 'trite'" :

> > - I used to tell my kids sometimes that they weren't hard of hearing -
only hard of listening
>
> I think this phrase comes in the Phrase Book that comes with the
> Standard Parenting Kit that you get at the hospital when they are
> born. (That's why parents whose children aren't born in hospital tend
> to be less trite.)
>
> Karen
>

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From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@isc.upenn.edu>
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Subject: FW: **Virus Alert -- W32.Mimail.A@mm**
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:34:15 -0400
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New PC virus!


alec

>
>Hi folks,
>
>This is an alert regarding W32.Mimail.A@mm which has begun spreading
>worldwide.  There have been a few reports of this worm
>appearing on campus
>so far.  This worm affects machines running Windows 95, 98,
>ME, NT, 2000,
>and XP.  It arrives via an email with a Subject titled "your
>account" and
>appears to be from "admin@user's-domain-name."  It also arrives with an
>Attachment named "message.zip".
>
>The attachment contains "message.html" which, when opened in vulnerable
>versions of Internet Explorer, will drop an executable named
>"foo.exe" and
>run it.  For more information on the IE vulnerability used please see
>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS02-015.asp.
>
>While foo.exe is being dropped and run, the user will see a large text
>window in his or her browser. This text will say "Please wait loading
>message ....." in red color on a black background.  When
>foo.exe is run,
>it will mail itself via several fixed SMTP servers to all
>addresses found
>in the users address book.
>
>Symantec has announced that detection for W32.Mimail.A@mm will be
>available in virus definitions of 8/1/2003 _with a version
>number greater
>than 50801e, or August 1, 2003 ver 5_.
>
>Check Symantecs virus definition download site,
>http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/download.html, to determine when they
>have released definitions that will detect W32.Mimail.A@mm.  Be sure to
>check the definition version.  Once the version is greater
>that 50801e or
>August 1, 2003 ver 5, then you can download an executable updater for
>NAV/SAV from
>http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/defs.download.html.  >Please
>
>be certain to download definitions specific to your products
>name (NAV or
>SAV).
>
>
>The email message has the following details:
>--------------------------------------------------
>From: admin@local-domain-name
>Subject:   your account     <random characters>
>Attachment:  message.zip
>
>Hello there,
>
>I would like to inform you about important information regarding your
>email address.  This email address will be expiring.
>Please read attachment for details
>---
>Best regards,   Administrator
><random characters>
>--------------------------------------------------
>
>Also, when the attachment is run, it will copy itself to
>%Windir%\videodrv.exe and add the value:
>
>"VideoDriver"="%Windir%\videodrv.exe"
>
>to the registry key:
>
>HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
>
>so that W32.Mimail.A@mm runs when you start Windows.
>
>More information will be sent out regarding this worm as it becomes
>available and when virus definitions become available.  For further
>information, please see the following sites.
>
>http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.mimail.a@mm.html
>http://www.europe.f-secure.com/v-descs/mimail.shtml
>http://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName=WORM_MIMAIL
.A
>http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_100523.htm
>http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/trojmimaila.html

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02003-08-01 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Friday, August 01, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > My house is a pig-sty,
>
> I find that hard to believe.

As I expected, you are a stranger to the evocative metaphor.

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I am overwhelmed -- too many pictures, not enough time.  I was going to
put a bunch online in various groupings, but it's gonna have to wait.
Here are the first three (small) batches of my drain-the-battery
photography:

In the Office:
http://www.maynor.net/Temp/Office/

Hanging out with Dan and Annie:
http://maynor.net/Temp/CD/

Bicycle:
http://maynor.net/Temp/Bike/

I've got gazillions of bookcases and bookshelves and such, plus of
course gazillions of the beautiful beast -- and lots and lots of other
odds 'n ends.  But I've really got to GSD now.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Re what you wrote above, you're saying that my head size is a little
> small but that yours is even smaller?  Are we pinheads or what?

        My wife is always telling me I have a small head.  I just measured.  21.5 inches.

--
Take care,
Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>
Maybe I'm a pinhead too.  Yow!  Am I JOGGING yet?

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02003-07-31 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> AND I am one of the current incarnations of -DRUMROLL- Annie Besant
> !!!!!!!!!!

Incarnation? Is that like existence is suffering? Have you been
sneaking off to Sherpa and Karma's Yoga Hut again?

> It's so obvious, I don't know why I didn't realize it until now.  "Anna
> Borinki" came to me in a name tag, Annie Besant was there all along but
> I never recognized it until now.

Please relate the circumstances of this name tag. I need to know.

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02003-08-01 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 17:08:23 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> wrote:
>
> >02003-07-31 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> >> a BanApple Lassi with vitiamins added.
> >
> >What the HELL is this CRAP?!
>
> My God, Tushar asked a question about my post! *swoon*
>
> A yogurt shake with banana and apple blended in for flavor and texture.
> Or are you pointing out that I misspelled "vitamins"?
>
> Or are you shocked that in the '70s I was reading Adelle Davis?

I worry about your imagination.

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:



> Glad that you retrieved the truck still relatively intact, and sorry you
>  lost a day and had all that worry. How did He who... doghouse hold up
> last year when you had the accident? Or was it  also you who did the
> running around and arranging that day?


        There wasn't any to be done.  I didn't go to the hospital,
and I drove the van home, made supper, and graded papers for
the rest of the evening.  The cars are his job, so he
arranged to have his van (which had 170K miles on it) fixed.
  He'll get the truck fixed, too.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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On Friday, August 01, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-08-01 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Friday, August 01, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> > My house is a pig-sty,
>>
>> I find that hard to believe.

> As I expected, you are a stranger to the evocative metaphor.

Indeed.

Karen

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On Friday, August 01, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I am overwhelmed -- too many pictures, not enough time.  I was going to
> put a bunch online in various groupings, but it's gonna have to wait.
> Here are the first three (small) batches of my drain-the-battery
> photography:

> In the Office:
> http://www.maynor.net/Temp/Office/

Who is Matt and why does he have a Chinese scroll in his office?

Karen

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On Thursday, July 31, 2003 at 15:10, Lynne Weber wrote:

> I have spent all afternoon listening to old recordings
> available though the Library of Congress.  Are there
> international libraries - not equivalents, but
> similarly structured - available on-line?

The National Archives of Canada and the National Library of Canada
(soon to be amalgamated) both have some online material, though
nothing as large as the US LOC.

http://www.nlc-bnc.ca

http://www.archives.ca/08/08_e.html

Tony H.

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02003-08-01 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> > My house is a pig-sty,
> >>
> >> I find that hard to believe.
>
> > As I expected, you are a stranger to the evocative metaphor.
>
> Indeed.

That worries me.

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On Friday, August 01, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-08-01 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> >> > My house is a pig-sty,
>> >>
>> >> I find that hard to believe.
>>
>> > As I expected, you are a stranger to the evocative metaphor.
>>
>> Indeed.

> That worries me.

I'm so glad!

Karen

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> The National Archives of Canada and the National
> Library of Canada
> (soon to be amalgamated) both have some online
> material, though
> nothing as large as the US LOC.
>
> http://www.nlc-bnc.ca
>
> http://www.archives.ca/08/08_e.html
>
> Tony H.

Thank you kindly, Tony.  I will keep these links on
file.  Do you know of anything in Britain?


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--- Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
> 02003-07-31 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
> writes:
> > I don't like numbers much anyway, there's no
> imagination to them.
>
> If I may ask a short, simple question ...
>
> What the HELL are TALKING ABOUT?

WHO?  WHAT?  You must have missed something, it's
abundantly clear to me.


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On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:03:05 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:

>I worry about your imagination.

I am honored by your concern for my welfare.

I am, however, currently beset by other problems.
Please worry about them as well.
clo

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On Friday, August 01, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:03:05 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:

>>I worry about your imagination.

> I am honored by your concern for my welfare.

> I am, however, currently beset by other problems.
> Please worry about them as well.

Did Mercy make it home?

Karen

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From: Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU>
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On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:42:48 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>On Friday, August 01, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:03:05 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
wrote:
>
>>>I worry about your imagination.
>
>> I am honored by your concern for my welfare.
>
>> I am, however, currently beset by other problems.
>> Please worry about them as well.
>
>Did Mercy make it home?
>
>Karen

Yes, thanks; in spite of mishaps in boarding she made it ok, and we drove
to Boston last night to pick her up. She has matured nicely and it's clear
both Oxford and the new SO from Munich were both very good for her.

clo

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02003-08-01 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Friday, August 01, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-08-01 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> >> > My house is a pig-sty,
> >> >>
> >> >> I find that hard to believe.
> >>
> >> > As I expected, you are a stranger to the evocative metaphor.
> >>
> >> Indeed.
>
> > That worries me.
>
> I'm so glad!

I am not.

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02003-08-01 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:03:05 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
>
> >I worry about your imagination.
>
> I am honored by your concern for my welfare.
>
> I am, however, currently beset by other problems.
> Please worry about them as well.

My time is not all at my beck and call, Carolyn.

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On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:52:45 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:

>02003-08-01 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
>> On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:03:05 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
wrote:
>>
>> >I worry about your imagination.
>>
>> I am honored by your concern for my welfare.
>>
>> I am, however, currently beset by other problems.
>> Please worry about them as well.
>
>My time is not all at my beck and call, Carolyn.

I imagine not.
clo

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> On Friday, August 01, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > My house is a pig-sty,
>
> I find that hard to believe.

Well, I guess there's pigginess and piggierness.  I've seen houses worse
than mine is right now, but it's far piggier than I am comfortable
with.  I did make a bit of headway this afternoon in organizing some of
the genealogical stuff piled up everywhere.  But I have not yet gotten
into house-cleaning.  That will come tomorrow.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> > > As I expected, you are a stranger to the
> evocative metaphor.
> >
> > Indeed.
>
> That worries me.

Are you sure that you are suited to the List?  The
meebers hereof would appear to cause you endless
worriment.  And, you know, I worry about you.


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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> What are Fibredex boxes?  The Wilkes County (NC) bastardy bonds and
> records, 1773-1911, are in "5 Fibredex boxes."

I am surprised that nobody has answered this question.  I thought it
would be a right-up-the-alley question for many Wordslers.  Guess I'll
either google for it or will just wait and see what they are when I get
there.

Speaking of library matters, one of the drain-the-battery pictures that
I didn't get around to putting online today is one that shows what
libraries should not do.  Don't let me forget to upload that one at some
point.  I also want to upload the bookcase and bookshelf ones since I
have some things that I can't decide are which.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Friday, August 01, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>
>> What are Fibredex boxes?  The Wilkes County (NC) bastardy bonds and
>> records, 1773-1911, are in "5 Fibredex boxes."

> I am surprised that nobody has answered this question.  I thought it
> would be a right-up-the-alley question for many Wordslers.  Guess I'll
> either google for it or will just wait and see what they are when I get
> there.

I suspect many of the meebers who could answer are off having a life.

Googling didn't tell me much except that records are commonly stored
in these. I suspect they are the grey boxes that Paul brought out tons
of for me when I was in Syracuse. They are library boxes of various
sizes that are used to store file folders or pamphlets--basically
loose items. Like folders of photographs or documents.

> Speaking of library matters, one of the drain-the-battery pictures that
> I didn't get around to putting online today is one that shows what
> libraries should not do.  Don't let me forget to upload that one at some
> point.  I also want to upload the bookcase and bookshelf ones since I
> have some things that I can't decide are which.

Consider this your reminder.

Karen

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Or are you shocked that in the '70s I was reading Adelle Davis?

Wasn't <everybody> reading Adelle in the early '70s?  I guess my
ex-husband ended up with our Adelle Davis books.  I should e-mail him
and ask him if he still has them.  (Legally I could confiscate them, I
bet, since I'm pretty sure I legally own all of our mutual books and he
owns all of our mutual records.  The lawyer told us that would make it
easier -- that the judge might require some sort of itemization, so we
could simply say that I was getting all the books and he was getting all
the records.  Or maybe it was vice-versa.  And by "say," I mean write.
We never had to have a ftf with a judge.  All we did was meet with a
lawyer in his office on campus, where he taught Business Law.  He took
care of the rest.)

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"Espen S. Ore" wrote:

> with Cecilia Bartoli (and other great singers) in "A Turk in italy".

Speaking of singers, I received a strong recommendation in e-mail
yesterday for a new CD:  Patti Austin's "A Tribute to Ella."  The
recommender (the musician I bought this house from) said that it is
"stunning in every way."  He said that her music is more refined than
Ella's, though "perhaps not as much character," and that she has "a
superb voice with first-class orchestra and arrangements."

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Tom Lee wrote:

> My wife is always telling me I have a small head.  I just measured.  21.5 inches.

Aha!  You're even pinnier than Rita and I.  When I was in the office
this morning, I asked somebody who has had sons graduating recently if
she was into head-measuring, and she said yes.  So I whipped the
measuring tape out of my purse and had her do it.  She said 23".  I told
her that I had come up with 22.75".  She allowed as how that was
probably about right.  She and I agreed that caps rarely fit right and
that they should put some kind of treading inside them instead of the
slippery material.  Anyway, I went on and stuck the form into campus
mail saying 22.75" for cap size.

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--- Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> > What are Fibredex boxes?  The Wilkes County (NC)
> bastardy bonds and
> > records, 1773-1911, are in "5 Fibredex boxes."
>
> I am surprised that nobody has answered this
> question.  I thought it
> would be a right-up-the-alley question for many
> Wordslers.  Guess I'll
> either google for it or will just wait and see what
> they are when I get
> there.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I did Google it without much success.  It must be a
brand name.  Still, it's hard to believe there is no
clue as to construction, appearance, etc., of these
boxes, though their function becomes apparent.  But
there is no way of telling why they are particularly
well-suited to this purpose


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Karen Kay wrote:

> Who is Matt and why does he have a Chinese scroll in his office?

Matt is my colleague, dept head, former neighbor, friend.  I've never
asked him why he has a Chinese scroll in his office.  His wife is
Japanese, if that is relevant.  And his daugher is half Japanese.  He
told me this morning that Akane, his daughter, had announced not long
ago that she wants to spend the fifth grade in Japan.  (She's entering
third grade now, I think.)  He didn't know why she had decided that the
fifth grade was the right grade to spend in Japan.  She also said that
she plans to be a veterinarian in Japan when she's grown but that she
will keep her house in Mississippi.

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02003-08-01 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > > > As I expected, you are a stranger to the
> > evocative metaphor.
> > >
> > > Indeed.
> >
> > That worries me.
>
> Are you sure that you are suited to the List?  The
> meebers hereof would appear to cause you endless
> worriment.  And, you know, I worry about you.

Thanks, you are obviously a very kind and thoughtful person.

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02003-08-01 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> >> >I worry about your imagination.
> >>
> >> I am honored by your concern for my welfare.
> >>
> >> I am, however, currently beset by other problems.
> >> Please worry about them as well.
> >
> >My time is not all at my beck and call, Carolyn.
>
> I imagine not.

I am sure I am grateful.

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> yesterday for a new CD:  Patti Austin's "A Tribute
> to Ella."  The
> recommender (the musician I bought this house from)
> said that it is
> "stunning in every way."  He said that her music is
> more refined than
> Ella's, though "perhaps not as much character," and
> that she has "a
> superb voice with first-class orchestra and
> arrangements."

I've seen her, and IMO, she is technically very good,
well-schooled voice, but I agree with the recommender,
perhaps not Ella's "it".
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


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Karen Kay wrote:

> Consider this your reminder.

Ok.  I meant to remind me a week or so from now, but your reminder made
me go on and squirt a few more pictures onto the web, including the
library one.  It's in the "Things I Hope To Find in SC" category, which
is why it's with the other ones it's with.  I think you will see what I
mean about the bad library move -- the part of that area I'm most
interested in is precisely under the return-date sticker stuck onto the
map.  I guess, though, that it's not the librarians I should be annoyed
at.  The book publisher, presumably knowing that it would be in
libraries and that libraries stick stuff inside books, should perhaps
have found a better place for that map.

http://maynor.net/Temp/SC/

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On Friday, August 01, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Matt is my colleague, dept head, former neighbor, friend.  I've never
> asked him why he has a Chinese scroll in his office.  His wife is
> Japanese, if that is relevant.

Ah, then it may be a Japanese scroll written in Chinese, or... well,
any number of things.

>  And his daugher is half Japanese.  He
> told me this morning that Akane, his daughter, had announced not long
> ago that she wants to spend the fifth grade in Japan.  (She's entering
> third grade now, I think.)  He didn't know why she had decided that the
> fifth grade was the right grade to spend in Japan.

I used the Japanese grade-school readers for Japanese study, and I
remember that 5th grade was stellar. I say go for it!

Karen

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> Wasn't <everybody> reading Adelle in the early '70s? > >
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I still have my copy, I think, but haven't looked at it in
years, and I assume it's pretty much outdated.

           - D. M.

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  The book publisher, presumably knowing that it
> would be in
> libraries and that libraries stick stuff inside
> books, should perhaps
> have found a better place for that map.
>
> http://maynor.net/Temp/SC/
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Annoying and thoughtless.  On our trips to Asheville,
NC, we used to cross the French Broad River (heh,heh,
heh), and go up Saluda Mountain.  The trees limbs that
hung out over the road on Saluda had all had haircuts.


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> 02003-07-31 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > AND I am one of the current incarnations of -DRUMROLL- Annie Besant
> > !!!!!!!!!!
>
> Incarnation? Is that like existence is suffering? Have you been
> sneaking off to Sherpa and Karma's Yoga Hut again?

You know, incarnation is a heavy duty, once you think about it.

All I know about incarnation & reincarnation, I learned from Google.  And
I'm thinking:  ok, somehow some central agency reassigns you to another
life in a new person.  But, what about their BODY?  I can more easily
understand being assigned to a new lifetime and a new person; but what
about their BODY?  How much control do you have over that?

I guess it's supposed to be irrelevant.  Right?

BUT ewwwwwwwww.

In some cases.

> > It's so obvious, I don't know why I didn't realize it until now.  "Anna
> > Borinki" came to me in a name tag, Annie Besant was there all along but
> > I never recognized it until now.
>
> Please relate the circumstances of this name tag. I need to know.

I accompanied a friend to an antique sale.  In order to get in and help
load, I had to have a name tag.  Somehow the name came out "Anna Borinki."

The valuable life experience I had from this event was sitting behind a
table with things for sale, and watching people look over the things for
sale, and hoping they would buy.  I didn't like that very much although it
was entertaining watching the crowd.

Ann

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On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> I still have my copy, I think, but haven't looked at it in
> years, and I assume it's pretty much outdated.

I can't find a recipe for Shepard's Pie in any other place.

I was looking, when my mother was staying with us after her stroke.
Adele's recipe has wheat germ in it I think, which of course I omitted,
but otherwise it worked well.

Ann

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> You know, incarnation is a heavy duty, once you
> think about it.
>
> All I know about incarnation & reincarnation, I
> learned from Google.  And
> I'm thinking:  ok, somehow some central agency
> reassigns you to another
> life in a new person.  But, what about their BODY?
> I can more easily
> understand being assigned to a new lifetime and a
> new person; but what
> about their BODY?  How much control do you have over
> that?

This is an impossibly loose interpretation, but if you
are a really, really good girl, you get to move on to
a better body, maybe even a better species.
Or maybe not.  But it would be novel.
>
> I guess it's supposed to be irrelevant.  Right?
>
> BUT ewwwwwwwww.
>
> In some cases.
>
> > > It's so obvious, I don't know why I didn't
> realize it until now.  "Anna
> > > Borinki" came to me in a name tag, Annie Besant
> was there all along but
> > > I never recognized it until now.
> >
> > Please relate the circumstances of this name tag.
> I need to know.
>
> I accompanied a friend to an antique sale.  In order
> to get in and help
> load, I had to have a name tag.  Somehow the name
> came out "Anna Borinki."
>
> The valuable life experience I had from this event
> was sitting behind a
> table with things for sale, and watching people look
> over the things for
> sale, and hoping they would buy.  I didn't like that
> very much although it
> was entertaining watching the crowd.
>
> Ann


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when preparing a pizza, the Stilton is more easily diced if first placed in
the freezer for 15 minutes.

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> I can't find a recipe for Shepard's Pie in any other
> place.
>
> I was looking, when my mother was staying with us
> after her stroke.
> Adele's recipe has wheat germ in it I think, which
> of course I omitted,
> but otherwise it worked well.
>
> Ann

The only way to get any decent lamb in Sylacauga, AL,
is to order about 10 days in advance of your planned
meal.


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On Friday, August 01, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> when preparing a pizza, the Stilton is more easily diced if first placed in
> the freezer for 15 minutes.

I made pizza for lunch today (with Ligniere). No Stilton--marinated
fresh mozzarrella.

Karen

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> I did Google it without much success.  It must be a
> brand name.  Still, it's hard to believe there is no
> clue as to construction, appearance, etc., of these
> boxes, though their function becomes apparent.  But
> there is no way of telling why they are particularly
> well-suited to this purpose

I will file a report on them upon my return.

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--- "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> wrote:
> when preparing a pizza, the Stilton is more easily
> diced if first placed in
> the freezer for 15 minutes.

Is Stilton readily available in Maine?  Of course, it
probably is everywhere but here.


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Lynne Weber wrote:

> I've seen her, and IMO, she is technically very good,
> well-schooled voice, but I agree with the recommender,
> perhaps not Ella's "it".

He added something about having just signed her for "a helluva big
price" for some kind of musical event he's running, so maybe he's trying
to promote her to make his organization's choices and budget look good.
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On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> The only way to get any decent lamb in Sylacauga, AL,
> is to order about 10 days in advance of your planned
> meal.

Lynne, I don't remember your facts.  Do you live in sylacauga, AL?  (I
guess so).

Where does the lamb come from, that you order 10 days in advance>

ALSO:

1.  How long have you lived in Sylacauga, if you live there?

2.  Where have you lived, otherwise?

I remain your list friend, sincerely,

Ann

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> I made pizza for lunch today (with Ligniere). No Stilton--marinated
> fresh mozzarrella.

Well you misplet mozarella or however it's spelled, but what I want to say
is, I can't imagine a stilton pizza.  Or a blue cheese of any kind pizza.
This is the first time I've doubted Clyde's judgment about food.

Ann

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I used the Japanese grade-school readers for Japanese study, and I
> remember that 5th grade was stellar. I say go for it!

Maybe she really has heard something good about fifth grade.  She spends
summers in Japan, along with a week or so around New Year's, and might
have some inside knowledge about things like that.

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> Annoying and thoughtless.  On our trips to Asheville,
> NC, we used to cross the French Broad River (heh,heh,
> heh), and go up Saluda Mountain.  The trees limbs that
> hung out over the road on Saluda had all had haircuts.

I don't remember whether I told you that I thought about you when
traversing Salem, VA -- after foolishly spending the night in the
atrocious town of Erwin, TN.

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> Adele's recipe has wheat germ in it I think, which of course I omitted,

Why?  I haven't had any wheatgerm in ages.  Does your "of course" mean
that it no longer exists or that it has been proven <bad> or what?  It
was a staple in my dwellings at various times in the past.

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>
> You know, incarnation is a heavy duty, once you think about it.
>
> All I know about incarnation & reincarnation, I learned from Google.
And
> I'm thinking:  ok, somehow some central agency reassigns you to
another
> life in a new person.  But, what about their BODY?  I can more easily
> understand being assigned to a new lifetime and a new person; but what
> about their BODY?  How much control do you have over that?
>
> I guess it's supposed to be irrelevant.  Right?
>
> BUT ewwwwwwwww.
>
> Ann

You're not serious.  Right?  You don't see it as getting
a new, fresh body, never used before and created just
for you to live in?

                - D. M.

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From: Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@yahoo.com>
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> Lynne, I don't remember your facts.  Do you live in
> sylacauga, AL?  (I
> guess so).
>
> Where does the lamb come from, that you order 10
> days in advance>

It comes immediately from Birmingham, and before that
from New Zealand.  Quite frankly, I don't ask a lot of
questions, sometimes it's better not to know.  At
least, we haven't gotten mutton in error.


>
> ALSO:
>
> 1.  How long have you lived in Sylacauga, if you
> live there?

Since 1964, but for four years spent in Birmingham
>
> 2.  Where have you lived, otherwise?

I was born in Philly and lived in the suburbs until I
was 18, when my previous husband, our young son, and I
migrated South.
>
> I remain your list friend, sincerely,
>
> Ann

I never doubted it.


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On Friday, August 01, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>> I made pizza for lunch today (with Ligniere). No Stilton--marinated
>> fresh mozzarrella.

> Well you misplet mozarella or however it's spelled,

Eek! You're right. Mozzarella.

Tarantella.

> but what I want to say
> is, I can't imagine a stilton pizza.  Or a blue cheese of any kind pizza.
> This is the first time I've doubted Clyde's judgment about food.

I can imagine it. I can imagine ET #1 eating one. I can't imagine ET #3
eating one, though.

Karen

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Ann Borkin wrote:

You would not do well in the remembering-details-about-your-friends
challenges in Survivor.

> Lynne, I don't remember your facts.  Do you live in sylacauga, AL?  (I
> guess so).
>
> Where does the lamb come from, that you order 10 days in advance>
>
> ALSO:
>
> 1.  How long have you lived in Sylacauga, if you live there?
>
> 2.  Where have you lived, otherwise?
>
> I remain your list friend, sincerely,

I don't know the answer to exactly where her lamb comes from.  But yes,
she lives in Sylacauga, AL; she has lived there for many years;  she was
orignally from YankeeLand -- the exact place is escaping me -- somewhere
like Pennsylvania; and she has not yet told the story of how she got
from up there to down here, though she said at one point that she might
someday tell.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Are Larry and Betty traveling?  Larry is often quiet for long periods,
but BB usually isn't.  But I don't think she's posted anything this
week.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> I don't remember whether I told you that I thought
> about you when
> traversing Salem, VA -- after foolishly spending the
> night in the
> atrocious town of Erwin, TN.

No, you didn't, but I'm appreciative.  I remember with
a shudder the town of Upper Daisy, TN (no kidding)
where we once were stranded with a pixillated
radiator.  There was one motel, not>called Bates, but
it might have been.  When the radiator was restored,
they charged us for water to go in it.


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  Does
> your "of course" mean
> that it no longer exists or that it has been proven
> <bad> or what?  It
> was a staple in my dwellings at various times in the
> past.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

It exists, that's one thing we do have locally, for
some reason.


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How did you four get along last night?  Tell us all.

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>I will file a report on them upon my return.

Google finds <http://www.lib.utah.edu/cima/letters/2001_jul.html> for me,
which reports:

>The Hollinger Corporation was founded in 1945 by William Kenneth
>Hollinger. After World War II, Hollinger, in consultation with chemist
>William J. Barrow and officials at the Library of Congress and National
>Archives, developed acid- free papers, storage boxes, and envelopes to
>assist archivists in preserving important documents and photographs.
>Hollinger Corporation first advertised Fibredex document cases which were
>of "unique metal edge construction," made of "super fiber board" and
>assembled without "paste or glue to attract vermin." Hollinger Corporation
>has since developed other document storage materials for the National
>Archives and numerous other archives facilities in the United States.

The page goes on to enumerate the various types of boxes the company has
made over the years, and also notes that besides their primary plant in
Virginia, they now operate a second facility in Sparks, Nevada, where I
grew up.

Pete

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From: "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@noxiousweeds.net>
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On 1 Aug 2003 at 18:45, Lynne Weber wrote:

> I did Google it without much success.  It must be a
> brand name.  Still, it's hard to believe there is no
> clue as to construction, appearance, etc., of these
> boxes, though their function becomes apparent.  But
> there is no way of telling why they are particularly
> well-suited to this purpose

I had to look it up too. It's the name of the material from which
the boxes were made. Judging by the description I found--
 "Hollinger Corporation first advertised Fibredex document cases
which were of 'unique metal edge construction,' made of 'super
fiber board' and assembled without 'paste or glue to attract
vermin'"--it seems to have been a pre-1960 product. Hollinger's
present product descriptions don't use the term, as far as I can
see.

I suppose there is some value in telling users that the records are
stored in archivally safe materials, but a description that
includes the size of the boxes or the total linear feet of the
records is likely to be much more useful to the researcher.

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In a message dated 8/1/2003 10:16:37 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
How did you four get along last night?  Tell us all.

>>

I've never seen an animal as hungry as Daisy; she eats her
food, her dog biscuits, and Sweetie's food.  I guess I'm not
used to dogs, just finicky cats.  So far, Daisy and Sweetie
are "getting along."  They aren't friends yet, but they aren't
fighting.  We're going to have to get piddle pads for Daisy;
we have newspapers spread everywhere, and I'm going to
have to wear my shoes to bed in case I have to get up in
the middle of the night (she peed on my bathroom floor
last night).

Evelyn Duncan
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"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
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From: "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@noxiousweeds.net>
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On 1 Aug 2003 at 21:24, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> The book publisher, presumably knowing that it would be in libraries
> and that libraries stick stuff inside books, should perhaps have found
> a better place for that map.

I hope you're not depending on a map like that to find anything
today. As you well know, the confluence of the Broad and Saluda
rivers is rather different from its appearance two hundred years
ago.

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> The page goes on to enumerate the various types of
> boxes the company has
> made over the years, and also notes that besides
> their primary plant in
> Virginia, they now operate a second facility in
> Sparks, Nevada, where I
> grew up.
>
> Pete

True?  Astonishing coincidence.


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  We're going to have to get piddle pads
> for Daisy;
> we have newspapers spread everywhere, and I'm going
> to
> have to wear my shoes to bed in case I have to get
> up in
> the middle of the night (she peed on my bathroom
> floor
> last night).
>
Just keep reminding yourself and your mother that
Daisy is not an 8-week-old baby - think how long it
takes to housebreak one of them.


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On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> You're not serious.  Right?  You don't see it as getting
> a new, fresh body, never used before and created just
> for you to live in?

No.

To tell the truth, I dislike the whole premise, the recycling of "souls"
or whatever.  I favor the OPPOSITE of what you believe:  I think we make
it all up, lifetime by lifetime, day by day, as our body/brain abilities
and limits make possible.  And then we die - body, brains, personality,
everything.

Is what I think.

Ann

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On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>
> Why?  I haven't had any wheatgerm in ages.  Does your "of course" mean
> that it no longer exists or that it has been proven <bad> or what?  It
> was a staple in my dwellings at various times in the past.

I just can't see wanting to eat it in Shepherd's pie.  Or any other place,
for that matter.  Well, maybe muffins, or places you don't have to know
it's there, if you need the  nutrients.

Ann

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On Friday, August 01, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Are Larry and Betty traveling?

Yes, they are camping.

Karen

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> To tell the truth, I dislike the whole premise, the
> recycling of "souls"
> or whatever.  I favor the OPPOSITE of what you
> believe:  I think we make
> it all up, lifetime by lifetime, day by day, as our
> body/brain abilities
> and limits make possible.  And then we die - body,
> brains, personality,
> everything.
>
> Is what I think.

The brain (dead) seems an awful waste.  Have you spent
as much time improving anything as you have your mind?
>
> Ann


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On Friday, August 01, 2003, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
> I suppose there is some value in telling users that the records are
> stored in archivally safe materials, but a description that
> includes the size of the boxes or the total linear feet of the
> records is likely to be much more useful to the researcher.

I find the linear feet figure impressive.

Karen

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On Friday, August 01, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> The brain (dead) seems an awful waste.  Have you spent
> as much time improving anything as you have your mind?

What about the rest of your body?

Karen

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In a message dated 8/1/2003 10:42:20 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Just keep reminding yourself and your mother that
Daisy is not an 8-week-old baby - think how long it
takes to housebreak one of them.

>>

20 years, in some cases.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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> What about the rest of your body?
>
> Karen

It is far too vulnerable to pain, disease, and other
unpleasant ravages to be of much use to you after a
time.  In fact, it becomes a bloody liability.  In
case there is a heaven OR a hell, I don't want no
body.


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> 20 years, in some cases.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> life:  music and cats."
> --Albert Schweitzer

Agreed.  Just hang in there, it will all come right.


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Lynne Weber writes,

>True?

True. :)

Pete

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On Friday, August 01, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> What about the rest of your body?
>>
>> Karen

> It is far too vulnerable to pain, disease, and other
> unpleasant ravages to be of much use to you after a
> time.  In fact, it becomes a bloody liability.  In
> case there is a heaven OR a hell, I don't want no
> body.

I'm astounded that you think your brain is less ravaged than your
body.

Karen

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> To tell the truth, I dislike the whole premise, the recycling of
"souls"
> or whatever.  I favor the OPPOSITE of what you believe:  I think we
make
> it all up, lifetime by lifetime, day by day, as our body/brain
abilities
> and limits make possible.  And then we die - body, brains,
personality,
> everything.
>
> Is what I think.
>
> Ann

Of course we die - body, brains, personality.
I think that's a given.

               - D. M.

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Ann Borkin:
= > I made pizza for lunch today (with Ligniere). No Stilton--marinated
= > fresh mozzarrella.
=
= Well you misplet mozarella or however it's spelled, but what I want to say
= is, I can't imagine a stilton pizza.  Or a blue cheese of any kind pizza.
= This is the first time I've doubted Clyde's judgment about food.
=
= Ann

Stilton is just Gorgonzola made by Brits.  I've no problem with
Stilton on pizza, in fact it's probably a bit lighter than the
Gorgonzola.

On the trip in France I had a pizza quatre fromage.  I don't
remember what was on it, but there was definitely something blue.

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02003-08-01 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> Well you misplet mozarella or however it's spelled,

No surprise with Karen, whose imagination I worry about.

> but what I want to say is, I can't imagine a stilton pizza.

Maybe it helps to imagine it in conjunction with a
BanApple Vitamin lassi?

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02003-08-01 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> You know, incarnation is a heavy duty, once you think about it.
>
> All I know about incarnation & reincarnation, I learned from Google.  And
> I'm thinking:  ok, somehow some central agency reassigns you to another
> life in a new person.  But, what about their BODY?  I can more easily
> understand being assigned to a new lifetime and a new person; but what
> about their BODY?  How much control do you have over that?
>
> I guess it's supposed to be irrelevant.  Right?
>
> BUT ewwwwwwwww.
>
> In some cases.

The more I hear this "ewwwww", the more unreasonable it sounds to
me. It becomes less and less clear what is so incredibly disgusting
about the idea. Or how anybody could have such an intensely strong
gut reaction to mumbo-jumbo this abstract.

It almost, but not quite, reminds me of a class of conversations
that I have had to muddle through occasionally ... Let's say that
a bar called the Schoolyard (I know, dumb name) was found in the
part to be not particularly appealing.

"So, the day all of us went to the Schoolyard,"
"Ugh."
"Yeah, that's kind of a stupid place isn't it. So when we went
to the Schoolyard"
"Ugh."
"Yeah, well THAT day... remember the two new people also came by"
"Ugh."
"What's ugh about them?"
"The Schoolyard...ugh."
"Yeah, so"
"Ugh, what a place."

But as I said, not quite.

> > > It's so obvious, I don't know why I didn't realize it until now.  "Anna
> > > Borinki" came to me in a name tag, Annie Besant was there all along but
> > > I never recognized it until now.
> >
> > Please relate the circumstances of this name tag. I need to know.
>
> I accompanied a friend to an antique sale.  In order to get in and help
> load, I had to have a name tag.  Somehow the name came out "Anna Borinki."

There are no "somehows", BORKIN!

> The valuable life experience I had from this event was sitting behind a
> table with things for sale, and watching people look over the things for
> sale, and hoping they would buy.  I didn't like that very much although it
> was entertaining watching the crowd.

It was like that sitting in a booth at the trade show.

But some other day ...

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:

> I hope you're not depending on a map like that to find anything
> today. As you well know, the confluence of the Broad and Saluda
> rivers is rather different from its appearance two hundred years
> ago.

I won't have to rely entirely on the 1773 map.  I also have one from
1820.

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I haven't noticed it at this address, but note these items in my Ra
mailqueue:

 N 11 admin@ra.msstate.e Fri Aug  1 15:35  416/30168 your account
 N 22 admin@ra.msstate.e Fri Aug  1 23:57   51/2049  your account
 N 23 admin@ra.msstate.e Fri Aug  1 23:58   51/2049  your account
 N 25 admin@ra.msstate.e Sat Aug  2 00:02   51/2049  your account
 N 26 admin@ra.msstate.e Sat Aug  2 00:02   51/2049  your account

I wonder why the first one is so much larger than the others.  Maybe
I'll read it and see whether I can tell why.

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The difference between the long and short versions of the virus mail
is simply that the attached file is very long in the first one but
very short in the others.  Interesting.
   --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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It was a busy and very interesting week. By the end of it, I had decided
to make an offer on the condo - well below the asking price. My agent is
not the listing agent, so she will go to the listing agent on Monday and
see if there will be any interest in my offer.

The condo and the listing have interesting histories. It is listed for
$165,000. In 1994 it sold to the present owner for $189,000. Since then,
it has been improved a lot - most recently, it has been repainted. BUT a
few weeks ago a prospective buyer put down a very large earnest payment
(I was not able to find out exactly how much), then lost it. So the
seller has already received a large % of the asking price. The unit was
repainted after the proposed deal fell through - the seller apparently got
enough money that she felt she could spend a bunch of it on the unit
itself. I am glad it was repainted - it was pink and mauve before, and I
would not have looked at it.

The condo fees are a great deal higher than I thought they would be, so I
have done a lot of budget study. Also, I now know that this will be a
solid investment if I get it at my price, for the only other Hamilton
House condo as large as this one (3100 sq ft) was listed this week at
$305,000. That unit is apparently quite luxurious - far more luxurious
than the one I am looking at, though by my standards, the one I am looking
at is very luxurious - nonetheless, if seems to me realistic to think that
if I want to sell the unit in a few years and I am not in a rush to do so,
I can expect to get $200,000+.

Among other details, there is, under the carpet that is in all areas
except the kitchens and baths, finished parquet. If I buy it, I will
probably have some carpet taken up immediately.

Whether I buy this unit or not, the week was very productive, because by
the end of it, I knew exactly what I could afford, my accountant had
signed off on my projections, and my agent now knew exactly what I want
and do not want.

I do not think moving is ever fun, but I am enjoying shopping for real
estate.

Bethany

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>There was a wealthy merchant with two sons who each had a fine stallion.
>Each son would boast of the speed of his stallion incessantly, to the point
>where the merchant father announced a competition that they should race to
>the nearest town, only the winner would be whomever arrived last.

Should be "whoever arrived last."

Bethany

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Here are a few more pictures from the battery-draining exercise.  There
are still tons more.  Remind me to upload the one of duck's foot, a
plant I've decided is quite attractive.

http://www.maynor.net/Temp/Shelves/

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> The condo and the listing have interesting histories. It is listed for
> $165,000. In 1994 it sold to the present owner for $189,000. Since then,
> it has been improved a lot - most recently, it has been repainted. BUT a
> few weeks ago a prospective buyer put down a very large earnest payment
> (I was not able to find out exactly how much), then lost it. So the
> seller has already received a large % of the asking price. The unit was
> repainted after the proposed deal fell through - the seller apparently got
> enough money that she felt she could spend a bunch of it on the unit
> itself.

Why is it listed for such a low price (compared to what it was in '94)?
Is this a new listing after the falling-through of the other person's
contract, a listing at a reduced price because of the big earnest money
payment?  Do you know why that deal fell through?  And why would
somebody pay a huge amount in earnest money?  Did the seller require a
huge amount?

>  - nonetheless, if seems to me realistic to think that
> if I want to sell the unit in a few years and I am not in a rush to do so,
> I can expect to get $200,000+.

And this again makes me wonder why the seller is asking the low price.
Something seems <odd>.

> I do not think moving is ever fun, but I am enjoying shopping for real
> estate.

I love shopping for real estate.  I was sort of sad when I moved into
this house because it made my real-estate hobby become less <real>.  As
we've discussed before, I also enjoy moving if I have enough time.

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At 10:11 AM 8/2/2003 +0200, steph wrote:

>Stilton is just Gorgonzola made by Brits.  I've no problem with
>Stilton on pizza, in fact it's probably a bit lighter than the
>Gorgonzola.

Correct---it's bit lighter in taste than Gorgonzola and less salty than
Roquefort.  With fresh tomatoes (no tomato sauce), herbs, garlic, oil,
mushrooms, diced Stilton, and a little pepperoni and good Parmesan, it
makes a very nice pizza.

cwv

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At 07:49 PM 8/1/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:

>Is Stilton readily available in Maine?  Of course, it
>probably is everywhere but here.

Yes--well, at least in this part of Maine.

cwv

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At 07:53 PM 8/1/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:


>Well you   [[[[ misplet ]]]] mozarella or however it's spelled, but what I
>want to say
>is, I can't imagine a stilton pizza.

Visualize "mispelt."

cwv

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Thanks for the photos, Natalie.

Bookcases that have elaborate tops and doors obviously take up more
non-book-storage space than bookcases that do not have elaborate tops and
doors. All mine are strictly functional bookcases - no elaboration.  Most
of them began life as 96" bookcases - but I had to remove 12" from each
when I lived in a low-ceiling apt. for a while. They are either 30" or 36"
wide.

I have thought of adding doors - and I may eventually. But I would not add
decorative tops. (I tend to use that space for small sculptures.)

Bookcases can, in my dialect, be made of wood or metal - seldom wicker.
Their being made of metal instead of wood does not disqualify them, I
think.

To me, a bookcase is distinguished by its being free-standing. It does not
have to be propped up against or attached to a wall - though most in homes
are placed against walls. But in libraries (Hodges, College of Law for
example), they often stand back to back.

To me, a shelf is just that - a shelf, unattached. A bookcase is a
freestanding piece of furniture.

(Mileage obviously varies.)

Bethany

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On Sat, 2 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Why is it listed for such a low price (compared to what it was in '94)?
>Is this a new listing after the falling-through of the other person's
>contract, a listing at a reduced price because of the big earnest money
>payment?  Do you know why that deal fell through?  And why would
>somebody pay a huge amount in earnest money?  Did the seller require a
>huge amount?

Good questions. The deal fell through because the person did not move to
Tennessee (it  was a company decision that he not move here, after all.)
The buyer put a huge payment down because he found the condo highly
desirable and definitely wanted it - and thought he was definitely moving
here. I'm not sure about the listing price for him - probably it was
higher. Now, the seller simply wants to move on.

Most people do not want to pay the high fees that the unit requires. But
analysis reveals that I will be justified in considering the fees an
investment in equity - if I can get the condo at my price. (I will not buy
it at the seller's asking price.)

Bethany

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http://maynor.net/Temp/FF/

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
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> http://maynor.net/Temp/FF/

Just realized that I had left the front-door pot out of the index.  Just
added it.

No more picture play for now!  Gotta make myself move onward and GSD!

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On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:53:50 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:

>02003-08-01 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
>> >> >I worry about your imagination.
>> >>
>> >> I am honored by your concern for my welfare.
>> >>
>> >> I am, however, currently beset by other problems.
>> >> Please worry about them as well.
>> >
>> >My time is not all at my beck and call, Carolyn.
>>
>> I imagine not.
>
>I am sure I am grateful.

I worry about your degree of certainty.
clo

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This is fun! My agent just gave me an update. The condo is being shown to
someone out-of-town at 10:30 this morning. Shall I go moon them or
something?

Nah.

I am going to make an offer of $140,000 by Monday morning. The listing
agent thinks the sellers will accept it or negotiate slightly upward.

There has been a large new roof assessment - $6k - the seller wants the
buyer to pay it. We will specify that the seller pays it - then we will
negotiate up to a max of $3k if necessary.

I talked again with my agent about smaller units - 2-bedroom. They are
MUCH smaller and usually have many fewer owner-added amenities. And when
they appear on the market, they are often listed at $129,000. If I buy
this unit at my price, I am getting a fantastic deal.

Bethany

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It just occurred to me that some of you might not know why the Bayla
Plant is called that.  Many years ago Bayla was substitute teaching one
day and was given a plant by a student -- a plant obviously intended for
the regular teacher, but the student insisted that she wanted Bayla to
have it.  The plant grew and spread and was indestructible.  At some
point Bayla gave a snipping of it to love,judith, and it continued to
grow, spread, thrive in love,judith's house.  Now a part of it is living
in Mississippi.

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On Sat, 2 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> The more I hear this "ewwwww", the more unreasonable it sounds to
> me. It becomes less and less clear what is so incredibly disgusting
> about the idea. Or how anybody could have such an intensely strong
> gut reaction to mumbo-jumbo this abstract.

You are right.  I was being stupid.  I AM really stupid.
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

I love to see the pattern striping the screen . . .

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Hey! My room here is too narrow. The end of this piece of writing gets wrinkled against the wall!

Kristin

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> Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> >
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
>
> Hey! My room here is too narrow. The end of this piece of writing gets
wrinkled against the wall!
>
> Kristin

Maybe Symantec or Microsoft has a patch for the Borkin Worm.

                          - D. M.

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02003-08-02 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> >There was a wealthy merchant with two sons who each had a fine stallion.
> >Each son would boast of the speed of his stallion incessantly, to the point
> >where the merchant father announced a competition that they should race to
> >the nearest town, only the winner would be whomever arrived last.
>
> Should be "whoever arrived last."

Whatever

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> I am going to make an offer of $140,000 by Monday morning. The listing
> agent thinks the sellers will accept it or negotiate slightly upward.

Heavens.  If you can get it for that, then something really is strange
about this picture.

> this unit at my price, I am getting a fantastic deal.

Indeed.

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On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 11:43:41 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:

>02003-08-02 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
>> >There was a wealthy merchant with two sons who each had a fine stallion.
>> >Each son would boast of the speed of his stallion incessantly, to the
point
>> >where the merchant father announced a competition that they should race
to
>> >the nearest town, only the winner would be whomever arrived last.
>>
>> Should be "whoever arrived last."
>
>Whatever

Ooh, Tushar. Gd pt.
According to BrP's description (it's the horse, not the man), whatever
 would be the most correct.
Impressive in your subtlety, sort of like the wise man who advised the
 sons.

clo

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On Sat, 2 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> I am going to make an offer of $140,000 by Monday morning. The listing
>> agent thinks the sellers will accept it or negotiate slightly upward.
>
>Heavens.  If you can get it for that, then something really is strange
>about this picture.

It's called having a good agent, being willing to let the deal go if it's
not just right,and NEGOTIATING. Most people do not use the full
combination.

It also helps that the seller is highly motivated and has already received
a large % of the asking price.

Bethany

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On Sat, 2 Aug 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>Ooh, Tushar. Gd pt.
>According to BrP's description (it's the horse, not the man), whatever
> would be the most correct.
>Impressive in your subtlety, sort of like the wise man who advised the
> sons.

We need to run this by Maria.

Bethany

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While vacuuming around my various book-holding devices a little while
ago, I pondered once again what makes a bookcase a bookcase, and I
decided that backs are an important element.  A bookcase has solid, or
close to solid, back, sides, and top.  A door isn't requirement, but it
does have to be 3/4 enclosed.  That's why we put things IN cases but ON
shelves.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >Heavens.  If you can get it for that, then something really is strange
> >about this picture.
>
> It's called having a good agent, being willing to let the deal go if it's
> not just right,and NEGOTIATING. Most people do not use the full
> combination.

I don't know that using an agent is important if you do your own
homework.  Afaik, everybody negotiates when house-buying.  Or at least
in most parts of the country.  Obviously, places like California are
excluded when talking about normal real estate situations.  Iow, it is
assumed in most places that the asking price is set somewhat higher than
the expected price.  I think it's fairly typical for the seller to know
how promising an offer might be by calculating the half-way spot between
that offer and the asking price and deciding whether that would be high
enough since that's where the price-negotiating is likely to end up
(with negotiating about other kinds of things off-setting certain price
matters).  As for letting the deal go if it's not just right, that is of
course an advantage -- that being being in a situation to allow that --
as I was in my last house-shopping -- I didn't really have to move.  But
that's not relevant to the point I was making about the seller's being
willing to sell it for an extremely low price.

> It also helps that the seller is highly motivated and has already received
> a large % of the asking price.

That strikes me as the most likely thing -- the part about having
already received a bunch of money.  Otherwise, I would be suspicious of
the willingness to sell it for such a low price.

--
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On Sat, 2 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>ago, I pondered once again what makes a bookcase a bookcase, and I
>decided that backs are an important element.  A bookcase has solid, or
>close to solid, back, sides, and top.  A door isn't requirement, but it
>does have to be 3/4 enclosed.  That's why we put things IN cases but ON

We may be getting close to agreement! I would modify this to say that
there must be at least a PARTIAL BACK. Some of the one I built have
partial backs - because I was either out of wood or out of money with
which to buy mjor wood. I'd say that a book case has to have a top, sides
and SOME backing. Occasionally, I left part of the back open so that I
could run electric cords to items sitting on the shelves of the bookcase.

Bethany

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02003-08-02 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 11:43:41 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
>
> >02003-08-02 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> >> >There was a wealthy merchant with two sons who each had a fine stallion.
> >> >Each son would boast of the speed of his stallion incessantly, to the
> point
> >> >where the merchant father announced a competition that they should race
> to
> >> >the nearest town, only the winner would be whomever arrived last.
> >>
> >> Should be "whoever arrived last."
> >
> >Whatever
>
> Ooh, Tushar. Gd pt.
> According to BrP's description (it's the horse, not the man), whatever
>  would be the most correct.
> Impressive in your subtlety, sort of like the wise man who advised the
>  sons.

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?

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02003-08-02 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> On Sat, 2 Aug 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> >Ooh, Tushar. Gd pt.
> >According to BrP's description (it's the horse, not the man), whatever
> > would be the most correct.
> >Impressive in your subtlety, sort of like the wise man who advised the
> > sons.
>
> We need to run this by Maria.

Why? Can't you just switch places?

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On Sat, 2 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I don't know that using an agent is important if you do your own
>homework.  Afaik, everybody negotiates when house-buying.  Or at least

I think having a knowledgeable agent is crucial. There is no other way
that I could have learned about the lost earnest money in this deal -
agents have access to a great deal of information that other individuals
seldom have access to.

For instance, a friend who lives in HH took me to task last week for using
an agent - pointing out that an agent's fee runs from 3-6%. But if I get
this condo for $25,000 less than the asking price, I will save far more
than 3-6% - more like 16-17% or so. On my own, I would never have
low-balled my offer so much.

There are other facts at issue here - age, health, desire to simply move
on with this deal. I know most of them because of having a good agent.

I decided to use her, by the way, sight unseen - she was the
recommendation of my very smart, very well-informed accountant. After we
met, we realized that we knew each other, but had not connected names and
past history. She is the wife of the guy who owned the bakery/restaurant
downstairs. He has established a (second) very successful wholesale bread
business. (HIs first career was as a Kern's baker.) I want him to open
another restaurant.

Bethany

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The Pembroke is back in the picture - it's the only place I would buy
downtown - it's a secure bldg w/secure parking, rooftop access, pool,
track, 1/2 block from the Y, etc.

There'a a new listing at $185,000. My agent is checking it out. The fees
should be quite a bit lower than at HH. That could make the differnce.

The Pembroke also has one true Penthouse - I have asked my agent to see
what its situation is.

Bethany

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02003-08-02 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Sat, 2 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > The more I hear this "ewwwww", the more unreasonable it sounds to
> > me. It becomes less and less clear what is so incredibly disgusting
> > about the idea. Or how anybody could have such an intensely strong
> > gut reaction to mumbo-jumbo this abstract.
>
> You are right.  I was being stupid.  I AM really stupid.
> Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
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> I love to see the pattern striping the screen . . .
>
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
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Of course you love to see the pattern . . . you are STUPID . . .

Here's one more:

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On 2 Aug 2003 at 6:29, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I won't have to rely entirely on the 1773 map.  I also have one from
> 1820.

Well, good luck finding the right I-26 offramp on that one.

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On Saturday, August 02, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> To me, a shelf is just that - a shelf, unattached. A bookcase is a
> freestanding piece of furniture.

> (Mileage obviously varies.)

My definition agrees with yours.

Karen

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> There is no other way
> that I could have learned about the lost earnest money in this deal -
> agents have access to a great deal of information that other individuals
> seldom have access to.

As I think somebody else said recently, there are some good things about
small-town life.  One is <knowledge>.  Things like high earnest money
forfeited would be easy to find out here in the cafeteria or the beauty
parlor or Kroger or City Bagel or wherever.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> The Pembroke is back in the picture - it's the only place I would buy
> downtown - it's a secure bldg w/secure parking, rooftop access, pool,
> track, 1/2 block from the Y, etc.

Go for it.  It sounds ideal.

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:

> > I won't have to rely entirely on the 1773 map.  I also have one from
> > 1820.
>
> Well, good luck finding the right I-26 offramp on that one.

Since I couldn't find I-26 on the map, I won't be taking it.  I found
another road up from Augusta.

Meanwhile, though, I've decided that Mapquest is just cuter than snot.
If I need to go to the library in Newberry in search of an old-cemetery
book that is supposedly there, I can get there in nine minutes from my
motel:
http://tinyurl.com/iute

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On 2 Aug 2003 at 16:58, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Since I couldn't find I-26 on the map, I won't be taking it.  I found
> another road up from Augusta.

Don't let the bright lights of Hamburg distract as you cross the river.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Meanwhile, though, I've decided that Mapquest is just cuter than snot.
> If I need to go to the library in Newberry in search of an old-cemetery

And one of the churches that I do have an address for is only 24 minutes
away:
http://tinyurl.com/iuu7

This is fun.  I'm also amazed at how many churches and towns in Newberry
County seem to be named for my ancestors.  I'm going to revel in the
possible seances.

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:

> Don't let the bright lights of Hamburg distract as you cross the river.

Oh dear.  My maps are already in the car.  I need to consult them to
find Hamburg.  I think the highway number up from Augusta is 121.  That
route seemed the most sensible.  Wish I were already to Augusta.  Here
to there will be booorriinngg.  Except that I kind of like that hill
just before Atlanta when you look down at the distant skyline.

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In a message dated 8/1/2003 11:17:58 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Agreed.  Just hang in there, it will all come right.

>>

I hope so; if her paws are any indication, she's going to
be a big dog.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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Only ten minutes from my gg-grandmother -- assuming that Beth Eden
Lutheran Cemetery is in the heart of Beth Eden, of course.

http://tinyurl.com/iuvc

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On 2 Aug 2003 at 17:19, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Oh dear.  My maps are already in the car.  I need to consult them to
> find Hamburg.  I think the highway number up from Augusta is 121.
> That route seemed the most sensible.  Wish I were already to Augusta.

I've just been reminded that I have no significant navigational skills and should
keep quiet. I would have thought the natural route from Atlanta would be I-85
to Greenville, then down 385 (or whatever it is) to 26 and leave 26 at
Newberry. I'm told that I-20 works just as well or better, though there is more
nonfreeway driving once you leave it to go up to Newberry. I-20 will take you a
little north of the Hamburg site but don't worry about having missed
something.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> I hope so; if her paws are any indication, she's going to
> be a big dog.

They aren't necessarily.  Or at least big paws don't necessarily mean a
tall dog.  Some shorter, squatty breeds have big paws.  I don't think
that truly petite dogs are likely to have big paws, but some
middle-sized ones do.  Spencer has pretty large paws, and he would be
categorized as mid-size, I think.

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On 2 Aug 2003 at 17:15, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I'm also amazed at how many churches and towns in Newberry
> County seem to be named for my ancestors.

I would have thought there would be more in Lexington County, but I guess
that was the progression.

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:

> I've just been reminded that I have no significant navigational skills and should
> keep quiet. I would have thought the natural route from Atlanta would be I-85
> to Greenville, then down 385 (or whatever it is) to 26 and leave 26 at
> Newberry. I'm told that I-20 works just as well or better, though there is more
> nonfreeway driving once you leave it to go up to Newberry. I-20 will take you a
> little north of the Hamburg site but don't worry about having missed
> something.

Hmm.  I will look at the map again.  I think I remember thinking that
Greenville seemed out of the way -- too far north.

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:

> keep quiet. I would have thought the natural route from Atlanta would be I-85
> to Greenville, then down 385 (or whatever it is) to 26 and leave 26 at
> Newberry. I'm told that I-20 works just as well or better, though there is more

I just went out to the car and consulted my Walmart atlas and am now
unsure of which I should do.  The Greenville route, though a bit out of
the way, may indeed be faster, depending on what Hwy 121 is like from
Augusta to Newberry.  This will give me something to ponder at a rest
area somewhere along the way.  I love rest areas.  Did I mention that
not long ago -- about how much more pleasant/convenient travel is in
these days of interstate rest areas as opposed to the old days of timing
restroom stops with gas stops and going into nasty service station
restrooms?  I was talking about that to somebody recently.

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mem:
> Well, good luck finding the right I-26 offramp on that one.

I know you're talking to Natalie,
but you know perfectly well I am
very sensitive to these double-f
words lately.

Please.

Here's a hyphen, on me:   -

Or, if you'd like, a space:


--
fffffffffffolkes

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Lynne:
> It comes immediately from Birmingham, and before that
> from New Zealand.  Quite frankly, I don't ask a lot of
> questions, sometimes it's better not to know.

Yeah, I see the label sez: "NZ Spring Lamb".

Isn't spring in New Zealand in October?

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:
> > I'm also amazed at how many churches and towns in Newberry
> > County seem to be named for my ancestors.
>
> I would have thought there would be more in Lexington County, but I guess
> that was the progression.

There are a bunch there also.  I've had quite a bit of confusion about
the SC counties.  Lexington County definitely figures into my ancestry.
I think one of the maps I put online showing some of the Summer and
Sligh and Kinard property in 1820 was a piece of Lexington County (but
can't remember for sure).  And it didn't help things that the SC
counties were abolished and recreated at some point -- sometime in the
mid 1700s, when tons of my ancestors were living there.  Just recently I
was reading a "memorial" abstract -- memorials in this context being
land descriptions for tax purposes -- taxes paid to England, of course
-- for my ggggg-grandfather, John Swittenburg (of various spellings),
describing his land in Craven County.  But Craven County vanished
shortly thereafter.

I've noticed Crim's Creek on various maps.  That's where some of my
ancestors settled.  The Dutch Fork Genealogical Society has an
outstanding web site, which has been a huge help to me with these SC
people.

--
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Lynne:
>In case there is a heaven OR a hell, I don't want no body.

crazy cold way down there

--
Laura Nyro via D.C. Thomas

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On Sat, 2 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> There is no other way >> that I could have learned about the lost
earnest money in this deal - >> agents have access to a great deal of
information that other individuals >> seldom have access to.
>
>As I think somebody else said recently, there are some good things about
>small-town life.  One is <knowledge>.  Things like high earnest money
>forfeited would be easy to find out here in the cafeteria or the beauty
>parlor or Kroger or City Bagel or wherever.

I find that hard to believe, given the facts. The owners do not live in
Knoxville, and it would certainly not be to their advantage to start
calling people in Knoxville to tell them. And it would cost the listing
agent a bunch for that info to get out. She is one smart cookie - she
makes a lot of money keeping her mouth shut. I am certain that a handful
of people knew - but I would never have known except through an agent.

Bethany

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On Sat, 2 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> The Pembroke is back in the picture - it's the only place I would buy
>> downtown - it's a secure bldg w/secure parking, rooftop access, pool,
>> track, 1/2 block from the Y, etc.
>
>Go for it.  It sounds ideal.

It has one huge drawback - guests would face a parking situation
almost as bad as the one in the Old City. One of my motives is to
again have a social life that at least occasionally involves
guests.

Bethany

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lisping cockatiel wrote:

> Yeah, I see the label sez: "NZ Spring Lamb".
>
> Isn't spring in New Zealand in October?

I think spring lasts more than one month.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> I find that hard to believe, given the facts. The owners do not live in
> Knoxville, and it would certainly not be to their advantage to start
> calling people in Knoxville to tell them. And it would cost the listing
> agent a bunch for that info to get out. She is one smart cookie - she
> makes a lot of money keeping her mouth shut. I am certain that a handful
> of people knew - but I would never have known except through an agent.

I can tell that you aren't accustomed to small-town life.

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On 2 Aug 2003 at 17:57, lisping cockatiel wrote:

> Here's a hyphen, on me:   -

Thanks. I've been running short of those.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I think one of the maps I put online showing some of the Summer and
> Sligh and Kinard property in 1820 was a piece of Lexington County (but
> can't remember for sure).

Actually, it was Summer, Eichelberger, and Counts (aka Kountz):

http://www.maynor.net/Genealogy/map1.html

The Slighs and Kinards were just across the line in Newberry County:

http://www.maynor.net/Genealogy/map2.html

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> Hey! My room here is too narrow. The end of this
> piece of writing gets wrinkled against the wall!
>
> Kristin

I can just see it wiggling to get away.

Kristin, it is 6:21 PM here, what time is it where you
are?


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> > Yeah, I see the label sez: "NZ Spring Lamb".
> > Isn't spring in New Zealand in October?
> I think spring lasts more than one month.

Right.

But we get "New Zealand Spring Lamb" in our
northern hemisphere SPRING.  Get it?

Or do they package their product for us
yokels?

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On 2 Aug 2003 at 17:53, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I just went out to the car and consulted my Walmart atlas and am now
> unsure of which I should do.  The Greenville route, though a bit out
> of the way, may indeed be faster, depending on what Hwy 121 is like
> from Augusta to Newberry.

I haven't driven that road in more than forty years, so I have don't have firsthand knowledge.
Grace, who has driven the stretch of 121 from Johnston to Newberry in the last couple of
years, says it's a good, winding, two-lane secondary road with little traffic. (Buy your peaches
in Johnston.) The distance must be about 60 miles, so it will take more than an hour to drive.

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> >Well you   [[[[ misplet ]]]]
> Visualize "mispelt."

The joke is "mipsplet", asshats.

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>Or do they package their product for us
yokels?

Certainly. Everyone else does.

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> For instance, a friend who lives in HH took me to
> task last week for using
> an agent - pointing out that an agent's fee runs
> from 3-6%. But if I get
> this condo for $25,000 less than the asking price, I
> will save far more
> than 3-6% - more like 16-17% or so. On my own, I
> would never have
> low-balled my offer so much.
>
> There are other facts at issue here - age, health,
> desire to simply move
> on with this deal. I know most of them because of
> having a good agent.
>
> I decided to use her, by the way, sight unseen - she


> Bethany

What a perfect set of circumstances in which to exert
you not inconsiderable talents as a negotiator.  Go,
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lisping cockatiel wrote:
>
> > > Yeah, I see the label sez: "NZ Spring Lamb".
> > > Isn't spring in New Zealand in October?
> > I think spring lasts more than one month.
>
> Right.
>
> But we get "New Zealand Spring Lamb" in our
> northern hemisphere SPRING.  Get it?
>
> Or do they package their product for us
> yokels?

Are we talking about fresh lamb?  (I must confess to have not been
following the lamb thread.)  I don't think I would be keen on eating
fresh NZ lamb at any time of the year unless maybe a well-refrigerated
plane took off at Rotorua with lamb murdered that day and flew non-stop
to Starkville to deliver it to me.  If we're talking about frozen lamb,
I would assume that the "spring lamb" in the label was there because
spring-killed lamb is considered somehow superior to lambs killed at
other times of the year.  (I don't remember lamb-killing seasons being
mentioned when I visited a couple of lamb farms in New Zealand -- in
summer -- early February, but there may well have been something
mentioned about it.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Sat, 2 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I can tell that you aren't accustomed to small-town life.

Indeed I am. I know it much better than city life, about which I know very
little - let's not forget that Knoxville is a large small town.

Bethany

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On Sat, 2 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>What a perfect set of circumstances in which to exert
>you not inconsiderable talents as a negotiator.  Go,
>Bethany.

Well, if you insist ...

Bethany

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> paws, and he would be
> categorized as mid-size, I think.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Evelyn,

Is she long or short-haired?  Does she have a curly or
kind-of-straight tail?  Is Sweetie already resigned to
this (in her mind, I guess) revolting development?

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--- Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> wrote:
> Tushar gave me a pattern I can break up and change,
> like skipping a pebble
> on the water, THANKS SAMANTIKINS!
>
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When each of you is on her/his deathbed, you will wish
for all this time and energy back :-)


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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:

> Grace, who has driven the stretch of 121 from Johnston to Newberry in the last couple of
> years, says it's a good, winding, two-lane secondary road with little traffic. (Buy your peaches
> in Johnston.)

Tell her thanks for the info.  I'm still not sure which route would be
better.  Am going to ponder it.  I was just looking at some of my SC
gedcoms and have found that I have all kinds of messes with duplicate
individuals that I tried to merge but that ended up unmerged -- like
Johnannes Adam Setzler is married first to Anna Christiana Setzler and
second to Anna Christina Setzler.  What a mess I have created.  And here
I am looking at things like that right now with no time to tend to them
until more than a week from now.

> The distance must be about 60 miles, so it will take more than an hour to drive.

Would that not depend on how fast one drives?  I'm guessing that the
speed-limit on a two-lane secondary road would be 55.  That means
driving 63 or 64, which would mean covering 60 miles in less than an
hour.  But there are towns to consider.  Maybe it really would be better
to take the Greenville route.  I need to ponder this.  Why am I turning
into such a last-minute person here in my old age?  Here I am at the
eleventh hour discovering a Setzler mess on my webpages and finding that
I have not given proper thought to routes.  Alas and alack.  And
speaking of Alack, I could perhaps alleviate some of these problems with
anti-anxiety drugs.

Meanwhile, I mainly miss Spencer.  He seemed happy to arrive at
Furrbabies this afternoon, though, so I feel good about his well-being.
Paula, the owner, talks to and about the dogs as if they're people,
which I kind of like.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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In a message dated 8/2/2003 6:52:49 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Is she long or short-haired?  Does she have a curly or
kind-of-straight tail?  Is Sweetie already resigned to
this (in her mind, I guess) revolting development?

>>

Short hair, straight tail, reminds me of a beagle, is a bit of a biter.

Sweetie is spending her time hiding, but Daisy usually finds her.
Poor Sweetie; she's spent the past 4 years as the only pet and
the most important member of the family, and in comes this
interloper.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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Well, I promised not to go wild buying new furniture if I got the condo
... so I probably should not be watching Straight Ahead on Bravo ... wow!

Bethany

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On Monday, it will be my turn to pay earnest money - my agent suggested
$800-$1000. I think the psychology of the $1000 will be helpful, so I will
highball this figure.

Bethany

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On 2 Aug 2003 at 18:56, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Alack, I could perhaps alleviate some of these problems with
> anti-anxiety drugs.

Grace recommends Zanax.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >I can tell that you aren't accustomed to small-town life.
>
> Indeed I am. I know it much better than city life, about which I know very
> little - let's not forget that Knoxville is a large small town.

I know that expression -- it's often used with cities like Memphis, "an
overgrown country town," "a large small town," etc.  But it doesn't
really work.  Living in Memphis, e.g., was nothing like living in
Starkville.  Nor was living in Jackson, a smaller large city, anything
like living in Starkville.  (I did live in Knoxville for two years, but
that doesn't count since student life isn't real life.)  This was my
first small-town experience, and I've grown to appreciate many things
about small-town life, including the large and hardy grapevine.  It has
its down-side, of course, in that gossip spreads quickly when perhaps it
would be better if it didn't.  But useful information also spreads
quickly.  And then there's knowledge of who is who and what is what,
alleviating the need for things that people in cities have to worry
about like having houses inspected or whatever.  And there's no need to
be worried about being ripped off by a repair person or roofer or
whateverer because rip-offers can't make it in small towns -- the word
spreads too fast.  Living in what is truly a small town is not at all
the same as living in a city that might think itself a small town.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> Poor Sweetie; she's spent the past 4 years as the only pet and
> the most important member of the family, and in comes this
> interloper.

I bet they will become real friends.  I speak with no first-hand
experience with dog-cat combos but with lots of hear-say experience
about happy relationships.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> On Monday, it will be my turn to pay earnest money - my agent suggested
> $800-$1000. I think the psychology of the $1000 will be helpful, so I will
> highball this figure.

I'm surprised that $1000 would be considered high-end.  It would be low
to average around here.  Considering that the seller has received major
money already in earnest money, I would not expect him/her to be
impressed with $1000 (re the psychology you mentioned).  And if you are
serious about buying the condo if your offer is accepted, then you have
nothing to lose by highballing.  I'd say make it $2000.  You have
nothing to lose.  You get it back if the buyer doesn't accept your
offer.

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In a message dated 8/2/2003 7:35:58 PM Central Daylight Time, 
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
<<
I bet they will become real friends.  I speak with no first-hand
experience with dog-cat combos but with lots of hear-say experience
about happy relationships.

>>

I hope so; at least, Sweetie isn't hissing at Daisy.

Evelyn Duncan
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"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:

> > Alack, I could perhaps alleviate some of these problems with
> > anti-anxiety drugs.
>
> Grace recommends Zanax.

Thank you -- or thank her.  I will consider this later if my <anxiety>
about messes in my gedcom files continues.

Speaking of Grace reminds me that I'm not sure whether I reported
earlier that I happened upon a good way to get rid of telemarketers (of
the kind that I don't think the new rules will eliminate).  I didn't act
upon this realization, though.  I thought about it right after hanging
up.  First the background:  My birth name was Grace Natalie Maynor.  I
was always called Natalie.  Having my name show up in various places as
Grace N. Maynor was a hassle, and my parents also didn't like it.  They
said they regretted the naming -- my name being a middle name.  When I
was married, I finally managed to zap the Grace from most things and
become Natalie Maynor Gatlin.  (Everybody seems to want three names.  At
UT I was at first Grace Natalie Gatlin, but that po'ed me somehow, so I
managed to get it changed to Natalie Maynor Gatlin.)  Later, when I
dropped the Gatlin, I decided to drop the Grace also, with my parents'
blessing.  I have been for many years Natalie Maynor, just a two-name
person.  This background is getting too long.  Making it brief, my
mother was born as Grace Natalie Mason.  She was always Grace.  And she
became Grace Mason Maynor upon marriage.

Moving on to the point about telemarketing.  One day a few weeks ago I
was about to take Spencer for a walk, the phone rang, I answered it,
Spencer was barking wildly since it was walk time, and the person on the
phone asked to speak to "Grace Maynor."  I said, "She died last
December."  (Because I had been taking care of all kinds of stuff for my
mother after she moved to Starkville, getting a phone call for her
seemed within the realm of reason.)  The person said, "Oh" in a polite,
perhaps somber voice.  Iow, she was about to register that info in some
kind of database.  She was about to hang up when I said, "Can I ask you
why you were calling her?"  She then said something about the University
of Memphis and an alumnae visa card.  My mother had nothing to do with
the U of Memphis.  She graduated from Millsaps College.  I, otoh, have
an M.A. from the U of Memphis.  So I said, "Oh.  That's me.  My name
used to be Grace."

The story has gotten way too long, but the point is that I regretted
having said when I realized that I was the intended phone-call recipient
that I was alive.  And it made me think about how it might be useful to
tell telemarketers than you're dead.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Actually, it was Summer, Eichelberger, and Counts (aka Kountz):

Speaking of which, I keep thinking of more and more dead people I would
love to talk to.  I had no earthly idea at the time, especially since
she and her husband were Yankees, but I bet my sixth grade teacher's
husband was a distant cousin.  I don't remember where they moved to
Jackson from -- I only remember that we all knew she was a Yankee (and
presumably he was also, although that's not for sure).  Anyway, her name
was Mrs. Koons, and her husband was a Lutheran minister.  I betcha he
was descended from my Counts/Kountz SC ancestors.

Wouldn't it be fun if the Mormons are right and we reunite with all
family members in Heaven.  I think they include the distant ones, don't
they?  It would be so much fun to play with all this genealogical stuff
with all the dead relatives.  But I certainly hope I'd get to hang out
with friends also, not just blood kin.  How horrible it would be to have
to be stuck in eternity with people like my RRB instead of with people I
like.

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> Isn't spring in New Zealand in October?

Perhaps that's another thing it's best not to know.
Unless you buy lamb from you neighbor, the shepherd,
it's all been frozen anyway.


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  (I don't remember
> lamb-killing seasons being
> mentioned when I visited a couple of lamb farms in
> New Zealand -- in
> summer -- early February, but there may well have
> been something
> mentioned about it.)
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I believe it is labeled "spring lamb" to satisfy in us
some remnant of our European history, when lamb
slaughter was in the Spring of the year.  Regardless
of when or where it is slaughtered, though. it is
still lamb and not sheep.  Like cocktail hour, it's
always Spring somewhere.


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>I know that expression -- it's often used with cities like Memphis, "an
>overgrown country town," "a large small town," etc.  But it doesn't

In fact, Memphis - unlike Knoxville - is a city. Because Knoxville is
larger than a very small small town, it has strata - the few individuals
who would have known about the earnest money immediately - other than
realtors - are very wealthy townies as opposed to gownies - i.e., Cherokee
Country Club types. From some of them, I would eventually have learned
about the earnest money - probably sometime after I had paid too much for
the condo. Because I had an agent, I learned immediately.

I learned this a number of years ago - I sold a lot in Sequoyah Hills at a
very handsome profit - then learned a week later how much I COULD have
made.

Bethany

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On Sat, 2 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> On Monday, it will be my turn to pay earnest money - my agent suggested
>> $800-$1000. I think the psychology of the $1000 will be helpful, so I will
>> highball this figure.
>
>I'm surprised that $1000 would be considered high-end.  It would be low

Between $800 and $1000, $1000 is definitely high-end. I follow my agent's
advice - there is no need to offer more. (The last time I put down earnest
money, I wrote a check for $500.)

Bethany

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Grace! I love it! There's not nearly enough Grace[s] in the world.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Between $800 and $1000, $1000 is definitely high-end. I follow my agent's
> advice - there is no need to offer more. (The last time I put down earnest
> money, I wrote a check for $500.)

But you mentioned something about the "psychology."  Since earnest money
is <play-money> -- assuming of course that you are serious about the
buying -- iow, you aren't losing anything no matter how much you pay,
then it strikes me that paying more than that would be good if you think
the psychological effect is important (which I don't much think it is, I
might add -- but since you mentioned it).

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> Short hair, straight tail, reminds me of a beagle,
> is a bit of a biter.
>
> Sweetie is spending her time hiding, but Daisy
> usually finds her.
> Poor Sweetie; she's spent the past 4 years as the
> only pet and
> the most important member of the family, and in
> comes this
> interloper.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> life:  music and cats."
> --Albert Schweitzer

Daisy is not being belligerent in her behavior to
Sweetie, is she?  She's at an age when she probably
just wants to play and is curious about this creature,
the cat.

Daisy may also be at the stage where puppies lose
their milk teeth, thus the biting.

BTW, may I ask your mother's name?  Mrs. _________?
It feels awkward saying (typing) "your mother", and
too discourteous.


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Lynne Weber writes,

>I believe it is labeled "spring lamb" to satisfy in us some remnant of our
>European history, when lamb slaughter was in the Spring of the year.

More on the subject from a Welsh farm collective:

http://www.cambrianorganics.com/scrapbook/items/2003-03-13.shtml

Pete

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On Sat, 2 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > > / \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/, \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/
> > \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/
> > \_/ \
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> When each of you is on her/his deathbed, you will wish
> for all this time and energy back :-)

I categorically reject whatever position this is being written from, even
if it is a joke.

Ann

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--- Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
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> \_/
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> \_/
> > > \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/
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> I categorically reject whatever position this is
> being written from, even
> if it is a joke.

It IS more fun to have your position rejected by a
meeber of the list.

> Ann


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Chance of rain is 70% tomorrow night in Newberry and 50% Monday, my one
day for cemetery searching.  I will look at the glass as half full.
There's a 50% chance it won't be raining that day.

Going nomail now.  Bye.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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In a message dated 8/2/2003 8:34:50 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Daisy is not being belligerent in her behavior to
Sweetie, is she?  She's at an age when she probably
just wants to play and is curious about this creature,
the cat.

>>

Yes, she just wants to play, and Sweetie isn't inclined
to play.  I wish I knew what Sweetie is thinking.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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02003-08-02 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> --- Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> wrote:
> > On Sat, 2 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > > > > / \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/, \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/
> > \_/
> > > > \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/
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> > > > > \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_,/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/
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> > I categorically reject whatever position this is
> > being written from, even
> > if it is a joke.
>
> It IS more fun to have your position rejected by a
> meeber of the list.

Wrong.

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> > > > > > / \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/, \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/
> \_/
> > > \_/
> > > > > \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/
> > > > > \_/ \
> > > > > > \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_,/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/
> \_/
> > > \_/
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> > > > > \_/
> > > I categorically reject whatever position this is
> > > being written from, even
> > > if it is a joke.
> >
> > It IS more fun to have your position rejected by a
> > meeber of the list.
>
> Wrong.

It's crushed, I am.  Ever has it been thus.


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Due to various clickings from empty-handed.com (one of the few blogs
I can name--and due to liking it), I once again reached the Chicago
Uncommon photos site. This had come up on the list before. This
time, while I was looking at it, it dawned on me: there wasn't a
SINGLE picture of anything uncommon in the scads of pictures I saw!
In fact I found nothing which I haven't personally seen a zillion
times. Combine ease of taking pictures and ease of publishing ...
voila. What does this mean? It means "uncommon" in the sense of
"won't appear on a promotional poster". That's it.

Bet you anything the following three example "signs on doors"
will never appear on this site ...

* SÑA LULU IS SEEING CLIENTS UPSTAIRS

* downstairs mosquE is closEd aftEr 12. brotErs nEEding to
  pray plEasE talk to mgmt and wE will assit you.

* (this is where I say I am planning to move, haha)
  "Angel now lives next-door ->"

However, we will see at least 20 more "uncommon" pictures
of Billy Goat's door sign ...

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At 17:52 01.08.2003 -0400, you wrote:
>On Thursday, July 31, 2003 at 15:10, Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> > I have spent all afternoon listening to old recordings
> > available though the Library of Congress.  Are there
> > international libraries - not equivalents, but
> > similarly structured - available on-line?
>
>The National Archives of Canada and the National Library of Canada
>(soon to be amalgamated) both have some online material, though
>nothing as large as the US LOC.
>
>http://www.nlc-bnc.ca
>
>http://www.archives.ca/08/08_e.html

The National Library in Norway has made some Norwegian jazz music sound
clips available:

http://www.jazzbasen.no/index_eng.html

and Norwegian language radio programs which were made in the USA 1942-47:

http://www.nb.no/html/the_spirit_of_the_vikings.htm

Espen

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At 18:02 02.08.2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Lynne:
> > It comes immediately from Birmingham, and before that
> > from New Zealand.  Quite frankly, I don't ask a lot of
> > questions, sometimes it's better not to know.
>
>Yeah, I see the label sez: "NZ Spring Lamb".
>
>Isn't spring in New Zealand in October?

I believe so - it was winter when Ingjerd was in Wellington a week ago. Now
she is in Samoa where there isn't much seasonal change.

Espen

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Evelyn,

Worry not!  The interloper will quickly learn who is in charge.  She
will be doing Sweetie's bidding in no time at all.

Rita L.

Evelyn Duncan wrote:

>
>Sweetie is spending her time hiding, but Daisy usually finds her.
>Poor Sweetie; she's spent the past 4 years as the only pet and
>the most important member of the family, and in comes this
>interloper.
>
>Evelyn Duncan
>brandykitt@aol.com
>"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
>life:  music and cats."
>--Albert Schweitzer
>
>

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> Kristin, it is 6:21 PM here, what time is it where you
> are?

The difference between time here and that of the eastern coast of the US
is seven hours. We are ahead :-) Now you may count what must be the
difference at your place.

But there's a strange thing. Usually  the time shown in my mailbox where
the messages are just listed is when they arrived the local server acc.
to our time. AND when I open the message I can see there in the headers
the time when it was sent (physically the same, or almost the same
usually) acc. to the place it was sent from.

Now you said it was 6.21 when you sent it. The header of your message
shows it was sent about 4.20 PM (acc. to the time *you* should have
had). It arrived our server at ab. 2.20 AM (acc. to our time; thus, the
difference betw. the time zones was 8 hours). Perhaps there's no other
mystery in it that the clock of your computer is not adjusted to the
time you actually have.

Kristin

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Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 17:19:39 +0300
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Kristin Sarv wrote:

>  about 4.20 PM (acc. to the time *you* should have
> had). It arrived our server at ab. 2.20 AM (acc. to our time; thus, the
> difference betw. the time zones was 8 hours).

Wrong. 10 hours.

Kr.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> If anybody cares to see some photos from our hike yesterday:
>
> http://www.etext.org/~rita/columbiabottom.html

I'm still catching up with the mail. Looking at the pictures I (1) got
to know that Missouri River is not as broad as I imagined, at least that
it is narrower at some places, (2) laughed when watching the last pair
of pictures, those with Vinnie on them. This pair is a real hit.

Kristin

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>
> I'm still catching up with the mail. Looking at the pictures I (1) got
> to know that Missouri River is not as broad as I imagined, at least
that
> it is narrower at some places,

> Kristin


The "Mighty Mo" is much wider than this where I cross it
when I drive into Iowa.   Although I didn't find statistics
on its width when I googled, I found this note:
" The river between Sioux City (Iowa) and St. Louis (Missouri),
has been channelized  to one-third of its original width to support
barge traffic."

                                           - D. M.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> " The river between Sioux City (Iowa) and St. Louis (Missouri),
> has been channelized  to one-third of its original width to support
> barge traffic."

How can narrowing it support barge traffic? If I assume correctly that a
barge floats up and down the river, not crossing it?

Kristin

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Doris Markland wrote:

> > > " The river between Sioux City (Iowa) and St. Louis (Missouri),
> > > has been channelized  to one-third of its original width to support
> > > barge traffic."
> >
> > How can narrowing it support barge traffic? If I assume correctly that
> a
> > barge floats up and down the river, not crossing it?
> >
> > Kristin
>
> Makes it deeper, maybe?

Oh, yes, maybe -- certainly. lol (at myself). And more equally deep along
its width. Perhaps I thought it was made narrower with the aid of some
side-channels, or... I do not know.

Kristin

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> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > " The river between Sioux City (Iowa) and St. Louis (Missouri),
> > has been channelized  to one-third of its original width to support
> > barge traffic."
>
> How can narrowing it support barge traffic? If I assume correctly that
a
> barge floats up and down the river, not crossing it?
>
> Kristin

Makes it deeper, maybe?

           - D. M.

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Eek -- I was using webmail before.

What I was saying is that I got my very own Costco card (courtesy of my
Betrothed) as well as my Hi-Health discount card during my most recent trip
to the GMA. Most importantly, John took me to the nearest Trader Joe's
several times. Supermakets are abundant in our area, and include Safeway,
Albertson's, Basha's, Fry's and Food City. I may be leaving some out. There
were no Von's although I did go to one in Vegas one time.

Whatever.

Oh, and we entered a delightful shop in Prescott called The Betty Co!

AS

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Just in - here (w/permission) is a description of how residential real
estate deals occur in a REAL city (Washington DC - well, actually
Alexandria):

----------
Let me tell you how lucky you are.

In Alexandria, when one puts one house on the market, one has an open house
for a few hours the first weekend.  On Monday, your agent collects all the
bids and earnest money, and each of the bids includes an escalation
clause, guaranteeing that the bidder will match and surpass any other bid
up to (usually) $30k above the asking price.

Then on Tuesday, the bidding wars go on, and the winner is determined that
night and everyone is informed.

Then the seller can demand that closing come in as little as two weeks.

What you're participating in seems downright civilized.

BTW, the  house next door to ours sold a month ago for $430k, and it's
smaller than ours. They paid $180k nine years ago.
-----

Bethany

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At 12:28 PM 8/3/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:
>Eek -- I was using webmail before.
>
>What I was saying is that I got my very own Costco card (courtesy of my
>Betrothed) as well as my Hi-Health discount card during my most recent trip
>to the GMA. Most importantly, John took me to the nearest Trader Joe's
>several times. Supermakets are abundant in our area, and include Safeway,
>Albertson's, Basha's, Fry's and Food City. I may be leaving some out. There
>were no Von's although I did go to one in Vegas one time.
  Trader Joe's rules!  I don't know what a Hi-Health place is but it sounds
as if I need it.


>Oh, and we entered a delightful shop in Prescott called The Betty Co!

We definitely need one of those.   What did they sell?

Betty

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Betty:

>  Trader Joe's rules!  I don't know what a Hi-Health place is but it sounds
as if I need it.

Ah. H-H is a health-food chain; don't know how localized it is. We found
low-carb tortillas there and other goodies there.

>Oh, and we entered a delightful shop in Prescott called The Betty Co!

>We definitely need one of those.   What did they sell?

Mostly pottery, but also other delightful items for the home. We got a
couple of star-shaped paper lanterns, the likes of which I've never seen.
I'll send a picture later.

It was also a pottery-painting workshop. Two women were there, and they had
the most delightful jazz playing on the stereo. We will have to return.

Right now, I'm taking off for the doctor (we have a primary-care practice
open 1-5 p.m. Sundays). I have what I think is strep throat, or tonsillitis.
It sux. I've never had a sore throat of this intensity. What's worse is that
it's very hot and very humid outside. I can take the heat -- but I hate the
humidity.

AS, wishing to be in a climate far better for her health ...

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At 12:42 PM 8/3/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:
>AS, wishing to be in a climate far better for her health ...

Go west, young lady, go west!

Betty

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> The National Library in Norway has made some
> Norwegian jazz music sound
> clips available:
>
> http://www.jazzbasen.no/index_eng.html
>
> and Norwegian language radio programs which were
> made in the USA 1942-47:
>
> http://www.nb.no/html/the_spirit_of_the_vikings.htm
>
> Espen

Many thanks, Espen.  They have been added to my
reference library.


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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>If anybody cares to see some photos from our hike yesterday:
>>
>>http://www.etext.org/~rita/columbiabottom.html
>>
>
> I'm still catching up with the mail. Looking at the pictures I (1) got
> to know that Missouri River is not as broad as I imagined, at least that
> it is narrower at some places, (2) laughed when watching the last pair
> of pictures, those with Vinnie on them. This pair is a real hit.


        The part of the Missouri pictured is within a mile or two of
where it joins the Mississippi River, and it is narrower
here than in other places.

        Keeping the Missouri R. navigatable for barge traffic is very
controversial right now.  The Corp. of Engineers controls
the water flow in the river.  If they allow the river to
rise and fall naturally, it is better for the flora and
fauna (and especially the endangered species) of the
ecosystem that depends on the river.  If they do that,
however, the river becomes impassable to barge traffic for
part of the year -- meaning goods like grain, coal, etc.
have to go by truck, which is much more expensive.  Right
now the channel is very, very narrow, and they're dredging
like crazy because they're going the natural route.  I'm
sure it will be too shallow within a week or so for traffic.
  The Mississippi R. water levels are quite low right now,
too -- the Corp. was out last night re-setting the channel
buoys.  I'm sure Clyde knows far more about how this all
works than I do.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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My Alexandria friend also writes:

>can you get delivered Chinese-Italian-Thai in Knoxville?  That's my
measure of urban.<

Bethany

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http://slate.msn.com/id/2086499/

This is an article trashing Bob Hope.  Doris is advised to ignore it and
Rita is encouraged to read it.

The others, well you can sort yourselves out.

Ann

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> http://slate.msn.com/id/2086499/
>
> This is an article trashing Bob Hope.  Doris is advised to ignore it
and
> Rita is encouraged to read it.
>
> The others, well you can sort yourselves out.
>
> Ann
]
I read it.  So.  He didn't like Hope.   Instead of saying Hope was bad
or was unfunny, I think he could have said "I didn't like Hope.  To me
he was not funny."

But what the heck.  I don't care what the man thinks.

           - D. M.

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At 02:49 PM 8/3/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
 >... Right now the channel is very, very narrow, and they're dredging
>like crazy because they're going the natural route.  I'm
>sure it will be too shallow within a week or so for traffic.
>  The Mississippi R. water levels are quite low right now,
>too -- the Corp. was out last night re-setting the channel
>buoys.  I'm sure Clyde knows far more about how this all
>works than I do.

Actually, I'm trying to forget.  ;-->

Commercial river navigation, i.e., the bulk transport of materials, depends
on a fairly stable water level in order to maintain a minimum depth.  In
most cases, the minimum depth for commercial barge transport is 9ft (ca.
3m).  Rivers such as the MIssouri in its lower stretches and the
Mississippi for most of its length, can support barge traffic by a
combination of regulating flows from upstream reservoirs (in the case of
the Missouri), providing "navigation pools" in the MIssissippi (these are
maintained within certain limits by very low, subsurface dams) and by other
"engineering"  of the river channel (using dikes, levees, etc.) to make the
channel narrower and deeper.  In contrast, the Tennessee river is
essentially totally controlled---there is a system of nine mainstream dams
(with navigation locks) to maintain the minimum depth necessary as well as
a much larger number (see, I am forgetting) of upstream tributary or
flood-control reservoirs that can contribute additional water if needed
(or, hold it back if flows approach flood stage).

The Missouri has been controversial for a long time now, because of the
factors you noted---conflict between trying to maintain some semblance of a
natural river system (especially where federally listed species are
involved) while still providing the cheap bulk transportation via the river.

TVA is also facing continuing controversy---not so much regarding the
mainstream---which is considered a given---but in terms of the management
of the upstream tributary reservoirs.  Where formerly they were operated
for flood control during the flood season (late winter/early spring) and
for generation of electricity otherwise, the pressure is now on to increase
flows below the dams to support fish and wildlife and to maintain more
constant levels in the reservoir pools for recreation (people who have
built vacation homes don't like to traverse mud flats to get to the
water).  They are now engaged in a second-generation planning exercise to
meet the various demands.  I was there for the first-generation
exercise.  It was interesting and challenging, but not something I'd like
to repeat.

cwv

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> * downstairs mosquE is closEd aftEr 12. brotErs nEEding to
>   pray plEasE talk to mgmt and wE will assit you.

You saw this yourself, right, there's not a picture of it, right?

If wrong, please post!

Ann

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In a message dated 8/3/2003 6:27:52 AM Central Daylight Time, leonard@BC.EDU 
writes:
<<
Worry not!  The interloper will quickly learn who is in charge.  She
will be doing Sweetie's bidding in no time at all.


>>

I hope so.  

We're going to have to go down to the local petshop to get Bitter Apple
and a Nylabone.  And a book on training puppies.
Evelyn Duncan
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On Sunday, August 03, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> My Alexandria friend also writes:

>>can you get delivered Chinese-Italian-Thai in Knoxville?  That's my
> measure of urban.<

Well?

Karen

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On Sun, 3 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>>can you get delivered Chinese-Italian-Thai in Knoxville?  That's my
>> measure of urban.<
>
>Well?

Do you have to ask???

Bethany

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On Sunday, August 03, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>>>can you get delivered Chinese-Italian-Thai in Knoxville?  That's my
>>> measure of urban.<
>>
>>Well?

> Do you have to ask???

Well, yes, I do.

I'm pretty sure you can get Chinese-Italian-Thai delivered in New
Haven, CT, but you can't in Austin, which is a much, much bigger city.
So there's no telling.

Karen

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Doris Markland wrote:

>>http://slate.msn.com/id/2086499/
>>
>>This is an article trashing Bob Hope.  Doris is advised to ignore it
>>
> and
>
>>Rita is encouraged to read it.
>>
>>The others, well you can sort yourselves out.
>>
>>Ann
>>
> ]
> I read it.  So.  He didn't like Hope.   Instead of saying Hope was bad
> or was unfunny, I think he could have said "I didn't like Hope.  To me
> he was not funny."


        A.  Poor style.  I am beginning to worry about your education.

        B.  He spends much of the article quoting other people who
thought Hope unfunny, so "I" isn't relevant.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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02003-08-03 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > * downstairs mosquE is closEd aftEr 12. brotErs nEEding to
> >   pray plEasE talk to mgmt and wE will assit you.
>
> You saw this yourself, right, there's not a picture of it, right?
>
> If wrong, please post!

That's right. I am just saying these are "signs on doors" I
have seen, multiple times in fact, and yet there is little
chance they will appear in these uncommon collections.

Maybe *I* will start a "Lame Chicago" collection ...

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02003-08-03 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> http://slate.msn.com/id/2086499/
>
> This is an article trashing Bob Hope.  Doris is advised to ignore it and
> Rita is encouraged to read it.
>
> The others, well you can sort yourselves out.

Hitchens sounds topic-deprived and bored--or maybe nostalgic for
old times when a piece like this would have been a good way to
spend an afternoon AWAY from the rush and tumble of other subjects.

The world is full of mediocre "comedians" spewing simple, down-to-
earth jokes for simple, down-to-earth people. Man, who cares ...

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02003-08-03 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Sunday, August 03, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> > On Sun, 3 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >>>>can you get delivered Chinese-Italian-Thai in Knoxville?  That's my
> >>> measure of urban.<
> >>
> >>Well?
>
> > Do you have to ask???
>
> Well, yes, I do.

The answer is YES. Sheeze!

> I'm pretty sure you can get Chinese-Italian-Thai delivered in New
> Haven, CT, but you can't in Austin, which is a much, much bigger city.
> So there's no telling.

No, there is some telling. It's that Austin is LAME.

Dang ... they sure give an impression of being a "happening" city

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On 3 Aug 2003 at 18:03, Rita Chapman wrote:

>        B.  He spends much of the article quoting other people who
> thought Hope unfunny, so "I" isn't relevant.

Of course it's relevant. If there were no "I" in the equation, he would have
quoted an entirely different set of people.

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This appeared on craigslist. Sounds like the job is part time web
design, part time office mgr. God knows they need someone to edit
their job ads.

Karen

"Need part time or full time office manager for a small web site
design, search engine optamization, graphic design company based in
Santa Clara. Excellent opportnity to learn and be exposed to new
technologies in the Internet marketing and graphic design industry.

Excellent written and verbal communication skills
Driving
Excellent knowledge of computer and web authoring software
Flexible timings"

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From: Janet Hardy <verdie@EARTHLINK.NET>
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Hi all --

Not much news from here these days. I've been having my ups and downs; while
I like the idea that I'm growing and changing so rapidly, a break would be
nice...

Thanks, Betty, for the kind words about my hair -- I'm sitting here right
now with a bunch of purple goop on my head; the last of the original bleach
job just about grew out (I was enjoying the brown-roots-white-tips look), so
I'm re-doing it. If anybody wants to see it, it's in one of the photos I
have up on Friendster -- http://www.friendster.com/user.jsp?id=1325306
should work; if not, just search on my name. (And if any of you wants an
entree into the incredible time sink that is Friendster, let me know & I'll
be happy to shoot you an invite). The thing I like best about it is not
having to go to the hairdresser -- when it gets long enough to lie flat I
just buzz off the sides and back, and keep snipping at the top until it
looks kind of right.

Let's see, what else? I just got back from Seattle/Vancouver -- went up
there primarily to celebrate my dad's 70th birthday, which was really nice;
my sister came up too and we had a lovely weekend together, the first time
the three of us have been together in more than a decade. While I was there,
I did a couple of workshops, including a new one -- Fantasy Improv Night,
where I invited people to bring a fantasy on a 3" x 5" card and spent the
evening choosing cards and acting out the fantasies with people. One of the
most challenging workshops I've ever done, but great fun. Didn't get a
chance to get in contact with Neal, which was a bummer, but it looks like
I'll probably be up there again next fall.

Experimenting cautiously with a bit of dating, still trying to find a
comfortable balance between solitude and company -- this may not be an
achievable goal, since the balance shifts from week to week, but I keep on
trying. The main thing I'm learning is that I've completely forgotten how to
do dating rituals outside the BDSM community. With another kinky person, you
meet them, get to know them a bit, ask them to play at a party a few times,
then maybe play privately, then maybe have conventional sex -- I know how to
do *that*. But I'm not sure how the process works without play as an
intermediate step -- play is such a good way to get acquainted <g>.
Fortunately, anybody who's going to be even slightly comfortable going out
with me is likely to be, if not kinky, at least conversant with alternative
sexuality communities, and able to discuss these issues in a reasonably
useful way. But it's still pretty awkward.

In the meantime, I have a lovely circle of friends to hang out and play
with. I'm seeing a married couple fairly regularly; that's actually a good
fit for me, as I enjoy each of them individually as well as connecting with
them as a couple -- and better yet, they go home together afterwards.

Things with Jay are still rough. We haven't had another mediation
appointment since the last time I wrote you all, but there are still a lot
of things left undecided that need to be clarified -- his response to
uncomfortable truths (he's entitled to either back royalties or equity in
the condo, not both; stuff like that) is to not return my emails.

Ben starts school again in two weeks, thank god. It's hard sharing space
with someone that's sort of my kid and sort of my roommate; I miss my
privacy a lot, although he's fun to hang out with. I think at this point my
kick-this-fledgling-out-of-the-nest instinct has kicked in, but Frank & I
have agreed that he has until next fall to figure out which way to jump, so
I'm going to have to hang in here for a while longer. Meanwhile, I'm helping
him learn job search skills -- he had one interview at Borders, but it
doesn't look like he got that job; keep your fingers crossed (and if any of
you BAWLers have a line into a part-time job for a very bright, very geeky,
very shy young man, please let me know).

Miles is currently touring in a public service play about forest fires. What
the hell, it's paid acting work. Frank & I are meeting up tomorrow to go see
him.

Business continues to recover, veeeeerrrry slowly. We would have shown a
decent profit this last year except that I finally wrote the LPC bankruptcy
off as a bad debt, which put us back into the red. Still, the final numbers
show that we made back almost all the money they cost us. I'm hoping that
when the condo conversion and refinancing go through (any day now <crossing
fingers>), I can use my equity to secure a LOC for the corporation, which
would enable us to recover a lot faster -- last time I was in LA meeting
with my distributor, he was inspired to a 20-minute rant about the nature of
publishing as a banking business, and the vital importance of a line of
credit to fill in the gap between plowing your revenues back into inventory
and seeing the profits from that inventory -- *now* he tells me :/

I'm in the middle of a big layout project -- the famous fetish photographer
Charles Gatewood's first how-to book, "Photography for Perverts." It's by
far the most ambitious layout work I've ever done, but so far, if I say so
myself, it's looking great. But, boy, do I have a lot of scanning to do.

It's always amazing how long an email that starts "not much happening here"
can get. Anyway, I hope you're all doing well, and will keep in touch
occasionally.

Hugs to all,
Janet

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> But there's a strange thing. Usually  the time shown
> in my mailbox where
> the messages are just listed is when they arrived
> the local server acc.
> to our time. AND when I open the message I can see
> there in the headers
> the time when it was sent (physically the same, or
> almost the same
> usually) acc. to the place it was sent from.
>
> Now you said it was 6.21 when you sent it. The
> header of your message
> shows it was sent about 4.20 PM (acc. to the time
> *you* should have
> had). It arrived our server at ab. 2.20 AM (acc. to
> our time; thus, the
> difference betw. the time zones was 8 hours).
> Perhaps there's no other
> mystery in it that the clock of your computer is not
> adjusted to the
> time you actually have.
>
> Kristin

You may very well be right.  There is an 8 hour
difference between your time and mine, as Alabama is
on central time, that is, one hour BEHIND the East
coast of US.  When I sent you the post, I had just
looked at the clock displayed on the computer, and it
was correct.  It must be a problem with the computer
internally.  No one has mentioned it before, I'm glad
you made note of it.  Thank you.


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> But what the heck.  I don't care what the man
> thinks.
>
>            - D. M.

Nor I.


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>
>= >http://www.patnsteph.net/summer_03/

Thanks, steph!

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I am presuming once again on your good nature for
assistance to the cyber and mechanically-challenged
(me).

Here is what I'm trying to do:

Scan and save to disk a large number of newspaper
articles of varying size and age, in such a way as to
be economical of space but suitable for viewing
(possibly in slide show form) at a later date.

I have been given contradictory advice on how to
accomplish this from persons of whose expertise in
these matters I am slightly doubtful.

I actually have a scanner and a CD burner, so that is
a start; it's a matter of lacking no-how and required
intelligence.

I don't even know if I should use CD-R's or CD-RW's
for data storage of this type.

If you judge that I can be made capable of this task
by your wisdom, your assistance would be greatly
valued.

I have a scanner and a CD burner, but have been given

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I just put a bunch of cumin in a muffin batter, and it should have been
cardamon.

I don't like the taste of cumin although if it's in something as depth but
not principal flavor, that's ok.

I have added a whole bunch of ground ginger and cinnamon, and anise
liquor.  More than usual.  These are spice muffins.

Cumin, it kind of puts my teeth on edge.

Just thot u'd like 2 no

Ann

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On Sunday, August 03, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> I don't even know if I should use CD-R's or CD-RW's
> for data storage of this type.

I don't think it matters. I mean, the 'downside' of CD-R's is that you
can only read them, you can't write over them. But I wouldn't think
that would be an issue for you. If you're planning to send them to
someone else, then you want the CD-R.

> If you judge that I can be made capable of this task
> by your wisdom, your assistance would be greatly
> valued.

This is the best example I've seen of smarmy in some time.

It's not rocket science, Lynne. You use the scanning software, save
them to a directory on your hard drive, and then copy the items in the
directory to a CD. You probably want to save the scans as JPEGs. The
only caution I'd suggest is that you make sure they are readable, and
adjust the size according to readability.

Karen

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>
> Cumin, it kind of puts my teeth on edge.
>
> Just thot u'd like 2 no
>
> Ann

I don't know of ANYTHING that will neutralize cumin.
Tell everyone it's an experiment, or flush the batter.


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On Sunday, August 03, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> I just put a bunch of cumin in a muffin batter, and it should have been
> cardamon.

LOL.

> I have added a whole bunch of ground ginger and cinnamon, and anise
> liquor.  More than usual.  These are spice muffins.

Good luck!

> Just thot u'd like 2 no

I want to hear what they taste like.

Karen

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THING


> On Sunday, August 03, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > I just put a bunch of cumin in a muffin batter, and it should have
been
> > cardamon.

If it had been a bread recipe you might have
gotten away with it.  You know . . .
cumin through the rye.

                  - D. M.

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Ann Borkin:
=
= Cumin, it kind of puts my teeth on edge.
=

I would have gone for the felafel muffins, with the refried bean
muffins in close second.  You can't do either one without cumin.

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Karen Kay:
=
= > If you judge that I can be made capable of this task
= > by your wisdom, your assistance would be greatly
= > valued.
=
= This is the best example I've seen of smarmy in some time.
=

I dunno, I took issue with the whole thing from the subject line
on down.  Pete is kind and good and all, but she should have just
sent him personal mail if she wanted an answer from him.

And what pisses me off most is that Lynne obviously didn't even
try it, otherwise she would have had a whole set of failure based
questions.

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09:31 01.08.2003 -0700 skrev Peter Kaminski:
>Espen Ore writes,
>
>>demonstration of external tagging (and linking). By external I mean that
>>there is a text (in the general idea text might here mean an image, sound
>>or video as well, but for the time being I stick with text).
>
>Current wikis wouldn't work, AFAIK.
>
>CritLink <http://annotations.xmlschemata.org/about.html> allowed multiple
>annotations of an HTML page stored separately from the original (you didn't
>even need direct access to the original file, just a view of it through the
>web server).  It used to live at crit.org, but obviously doesn't
>anymore.  I kinda know the author, Ka-Ping Yee, and have to correspond with
>him on another matter, so I'll ask him if the source code is lying around
>somewhere.

CritLink seems to be closest to what I am looking for but as you have already found out crit.org doesn't really exist any more.


>There were other things similar to Crit -- a commercial service called
>Third Voice, and something I'd not heard about before, Annotea
><http://www.w3.org/2001/Annotea/>.  Crit was server-side, and so usable by
>anybody through a web browser.  Annotea looks to be client-side, and
>require a special client.

As I read it it is both server sdie and client side, but I will see if I can test it.


>Fotonotes <http://fotonotes.net> and Fotowiki <http://fotowiki.net/>,
>created by my friend Greg Elin, allow web-based multiple annotation of
>image files, and can store the annotations within JPEG images themselves
>without harming the image data.  Greg is always happy to talk about
>applications of his technology, so let me know if you'd like me to
>introduce you.

This is interesting but I believe I have to concentrate on text-data at first - although the combination of text data and images is very important e.g. when there are transcriptions and facsimiles of mss.


>Netomat <http://www.netomat.com> uses a small Java client to create and
>play multi-layer "netomats," which can contain text, images and links; are
>described in an XML application called NML
><http://www.netomat.net/explore/nml/>; and which can be edited by multiple
>people yet retain an edit history, like wikis.  In its current form,
>annotating a large manuscript might be unwieldy, but it would be great for
>creating a demo of the concept, I think.  I recently met Maciej and Alan,
>two of the principals there, and likewise would be happy to make an
>introduction.

Yes, I have subscribe to beta testing and will see what I can do. For me it is important also that what I end up with has some kind of permanence - at least for a couple of years.

Espen

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17:26 03.08.2003 -0500 skrev Karen Kay:
>On Sunday, August 03, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>>>>can you get delivered Chinese-Italian-Thai in Knoxville?  That's my
>>>> measure of urban.<
>>>
>>>Well?
>
>> Do you have to ask???
>
>Well, yes, I do.
>
>I'm pretty sure you can get Chinese-Italian-Thai delivered in New
>Haven, CT, but you can't in Austin, which is a much, much bigger city.
>So there's no telling.

So New Haven is more urban than Austin?

Espen

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= >
= >I'm pretty sure you can get Chinese-Italian-Thai delivered in New
= >Haven, CT, but you can't in Austin, which is a much, much bigger city.
= >So there's no telling.
=
= So New Haven is more urban than Austin?
=
= Espen

New Haven is almost certainly more urban than Austin (what do I
know, I haven't ever been to either of them).  Austin is
bigger.  And I didn't have any trouble finding on google at least
one Chinese, Italian and Thai place that delivered in Austin.  Not
necessarily where Karen lives.  She probably doesn't live near
campus though.

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> I had just
> looked at the clock displayed on the computer, and it
> was correct.  It must be a problem with the computer
> internally.  No one has mentioned it before, I'm glad
> you made note of it.  Thank you.

You're welcome. Yet I do not understand how it can be so, then. I wonder
whether the place/site/server where yahoo.com is situated has any
influence on what time appears in the headers of messages. -- But I'll
give no more guesses for I'm afraid it'd be boring both for those who
know much about how computers and the web work, and also for those who
know almost as little as I do. I hope I'll have some more knowledge by
the time I once have a personal computer at home -- by my retirement
time the latest. But luckily there are a good portion of years to go
before that.

Kristin

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At 02:47 PM 8/1/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>Bicycle:
>http://maynor.net/Temp/Bike/

Cool bike bag... it has a ton of character!

Thanks for sharing..

lisa

>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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That green peace symbol is prolly worth $.

;-)  'Alan



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From: "lisa alfieri" <alfieri@COMCAST.NET>
> At 02:47 PM 8/1/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >Bicycle:
> >http://maynor.net/Temp/Bike/
>
> Cool bike bag... it has a ton of character!
>
> Thanks for sharing..
>
> lisa
>
> >--
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Monday, August 04, 2003, steph wrote:
> Karen Kay:
> =
= >> If you judge that I can be made capable of this task
= >> by your wisdom, your assistance would be greatly
= >> valued.
> =
> = This is the best example I've seen of smarmy in some time.
> =

> I dunno, I took issue with the whole thing from the subject line
> on down.  Pete is kind and good and all, but she should have just
> sent him personal mail if she wanted an answer from him.

Well, yeah

> And what pisses me off most is that Lynne obviously didn't even
> try it, otherwise she would have had a whole set of failure based
> questions.

Yeppers.

Karen

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On Monday, August 04, 2003, Espen Ore wrote:
> So New Haven is more urban than Austin?

Yes, I think it is in a lot of ways.

Karen

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On Monday, August 04, 2003, steph wrote:
> New Haven is almost certainly more urban than Austin (what do I
> know, I haven't ever been to either of them).  Austin is
> bigger.  And I didn't have any trouble finding on google at least
> one Chinese, Italian and Thai place that delivered in Austin.  Not
> necessarily where Karen lives.  She probably doesn't live near
> campus though.

No, I don't live near campus.

What Thai place delivers?

Karen

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> I dunno, I took issue with the whole thing from the
> subject line
> on down.  Pete is kind and good and all, but she
> should have just
> sent him personal mail if she wanted an answer from
> him.
>
> And what pisses me off most is that Lynne obviously
> didn't even
> try it, otherwise she would have had a whole set of
> failure based
> questions.

Yes, I did try it, with lousy results.  I was able to
scan one image to one CD-R, and got stuck after that.

In addition, I didn't want to be one of those
watch-a-ma-call-its that back channels.


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=
= What Thai place delivers?
=
= Karen

Thai Noodles, Etc., House
2602 Guadalupe, 494-1011

Daily, 11am-10pm

This cozy campus-area joint is a popular spot with the
financially challenged college crowd looking for a healthy,
filling meal on a student budget. The fare here is a good
selection of Thai street foods including Thai noodle soups, dry
noodle bowls, and stir-fry noodles. They do a brisk takeout
business and also provide delivery service to a good portion of
the central city, I-35 to MoPac, Fourth to 45th streets.

http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2002-03-08/food_second_all.html

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Lynne Weber:
= > I dunno, I took issue with the whole thing from the
= > subject line
= > on down.  Pete is kind and good and all, but she
= > should have just
= > sent him personal mail if she wanted an answer from
= > him.
= >
= > And what pisses me off most is that Lynne obviously
= > didn't even
= > try it, otherwise she would have had a whole set of
= > failure based
= > questions.
=
= Yes, I did try it, with lousy results.  I was able to
= scan one image to one CD-R, and got stuck after that.
=
Well, what went wrong?

= In addition, I didn't want to be one of those
= watch-a-ma-call-its that back channels.
=

You're missing the point there.

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On Sun, 3 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> I want to hear what they taste like.

Cumin.

They're edible.  They sure don't taste American, though.  I should be
eating them with yak-buttered tea or something.

Ann

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>In addition, I didn't want to be one of those watch-a-ma-call-its that back
channels.

Fiancés?

AS, well and let's not forget plenty of ftfing besides ....

:)

P.S. Real answer: What the Hell not? It's nobody's business what one does
... on ANY channel if you wish not to tell it -- especially if it's
one-on-one intercourse that's desired.

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On Monday, August 04, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> Yes, I did try it, with lousy results.  I was able to
> scan one image to one CD-R, and got stuck after that.

You don't scan to the CD-R; you scan to a directory on your hard drive
and then copy from the hard drive to the CD-R.

Karen

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On Monday, August 04, 2003, steph wrote:
> =
> = What Thai place delivers?
> =
> = Karen

> Thai Noodles, Etc., House
> 2602 Guadalupe, 494-1011

> Daily, 11am-10pm

> This cozy campus-area joint is a popular spot with the
> financially challenged college crowd looking for a healthy,
> filling meal on a student budget. The fare here is a good
> selection of Thai street foods including Thai noodle soups, dry
> noodle bowls, and stir-fry noodles. They do a brisk takeout
> business and also provide delivery service to a good portion of
> the central city, I-35 to MoPac, Fourth to 45th streets.

Yappari. I am North Central, not central. And I say this doesn't
count, since most of the population of the city is outside their
delivery area.

Karen

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Lynne Weber writes,

>Yes, I did try it, with lousy results.  I was able to scan one image to
>one CD-R, and got stuck after that.

Yeah, you should tell us what went wrong.

>economical of space

Economical of disk space, or physical space?  Disk space is cheap, so
that's probably not the place to cut corners.

>suitable for viewing (possibly in slide show form)

Viewing and reading?  Versus a slide show, which will only show a screenful
at a time, probably not the whole article.  Or do you want to do both at
different times?

Do you think you'll ever want to OCR the files (have the computer
automatically turn them into text with ca. 99% accuracy, for easier
searching, or for re-purposing the text into documents or web pages)?

The general workflow is to scan them and save them on your hard drive,
review the files to make sure they look okay, then copy them to CD-R, then
make sure you can read the files back off the CD-R from a couple different
computers.  You can do them in batches if you have more than one CD-R's
worth of files.  You can make two copies of the same CD-R from one set of
disk files, too, for safe-keeping.

It can be little tricky to get the contrast and brightness right when
scanning newsprint; you want the background to be bright, but each
letterform still intact and well-formed.  You might need to play with the
scanner's brightness and contrast on some test scans to get this to work out.

Remember that the top (label) side of CD-Rs and CD-RWs is
delicate.  Scratches or other damage to the top may damage data, while
minor damage to the data side typically won't.

I'd use CD-R because they're cheaper, longer-lasting (70+ years vs. 30
years expected life), and because computers save data on CD-RWs in a more
complicated (and therefore vulnerable) way.

Ye olde CD-R FAQ, which you should skim through to see if there are any
Q/A's that make sense: <http://www.cdrfaq.org>.

I'd scan at 300dpi, 8-bit grayscale and save them in GIF or TIFF format
because that would be lossless.  If you wanted versions that had less
resolution to fit on one screen for a slideshow, you could do that with an
image management program (I use SuperJPG), telling it to create resized
copies of all the files in a directory.

A somewhat different approach which would produce readable but
lower-quality files, but might be easier, especially if you really have
large number of articles: take advantage of a fax machine's document feeder
(and optimization for print over photos), and fax them to your email.  Then
you'd save the fax attachments off to a disk folder, then onto
CD-R.  Resolution would probably be 200dpi, 1-bit black-and-white, but
they'd be as legible as a fax, of course.

One free fax->email provider is j2: <http://www.j2.com/free/free.asp>.

Pete

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On Monday, August 04, 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
> Sometimes you just don't feel up to
> the list ridicule.

Sometimes?!

Karen

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I'll start this WHTU with a short, tardy recap from last weekend.

Last weekend we touristed around the Bay Area with my Dad and his three
sisters (who are more or less from around Chicago) and my niece from Sparks.

Saturday we had a splendid time at Filoli, a fun lunch and some pier time
at Half Moon Bay, then an overcast day at a beach just north of Half Moon Bay.

Sunday we went up to the Golden Gate Bridge, Sausalito, and
Tiburon.  Unfortunately for the out-of-towners, it was a typical summer day
in SF, and the Golden Gate was totally socked in with fog -- visibility a
couple hundred feet on the bridge.

Flash forward to this weekend.

Johanne and I have been meaning to go to Angel Island for a while, so we
finally did yesterday, and boy was it gorgeous.

The air at the Golden Gate was crystal clear, and from 19th Avenue we saw
the towers of the bridge shining in the sun.  Crossing the bridge was
amazing, thinking that just a week ago we could see just a bare shadow of
the part of the bridge nearest us, and that now we could see every detail
of the bridge in crisp relief, all the way across and up and down.

We drove around to Tiburon and took the 10-minute ferry ride across to
Angel Island.  The view out to the bridge and across to the city were
sparkling clear.

Angel Island is a state park now, and has a few service roads and old
buildings, but is otherwise in a natural state.  It rises to 781 feet above
the bay at its peak, so it's a nice, large, wooded hill, stuck into the bay.

Perimeter Road is a paved, two-lane road which circles the island at an
elevation of a couple hundred feet.  We hiked up to the road, circled
around the island for a little more than a mile, then went back down to
Perle's Beach, a beautiful little sandy beach on the southwest side.  Two
bicyclists were just retiring from the beach as we arrived, and we had the
whole thing to ourselves while we were there (which was unfortunately too
short).

It was perfect.  Hot, soft sand, cool water, a commanding panorama from Bay
Bridge to Golden Gate across the bay, and a nice little rock outcrop at the
end of the beach that we sat on for a while, just soaking it all in.

Pete

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At 10:23 AM 8/4/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:
> >In addition, I didn't want to be one of those watch-a-ma-call-its that back
>channels.
>
>Fiancés?
>
>AS, well and let's not forget plenty of ftfing besides ....
>
>:)
>
>P.S. Real answer: What the Hell not? It's nobody's business what one does
>... on ANY channel if you wish not to tell it -- especially if it's
>one-on-one intercourse that's desired.

My feelings exactly. It's how friendships develop sometimes, too.  (Alyce
and Tushar as one  recent example).  Sometimes you just don't feel up to
the list ridicule.

Betty

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Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> :

>In addition, I didn't want to be one of those
>watch-a-ma-call-its that back channels.

Apples and oranges. You asked about sync'ing topics
back-channel - something like that.

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On Monday, August 04, 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> What do you think: should I trust https://www.countrybookshop.co.uk/ ?

> I ordered some books by J.G.Farrell from there in the middle of July. I
> guess I read about their terms before ordering, and had the impression I
> must pay when I get the books. But I cannot find a clear explanation of
> the ways of payment any more there (there is some trouble with that
> site: some areas tend to be blurred, or covered by some other window of
> their site, which cannot be removed).

> Now they are waiting for a cheque from me whereas only one of the books
> seems to be ready to be dispatched, two others are out of stock and on
> order with distributor. "As soon as we have your payment details we will
> process your order and send the books to you," they wrote to me. Is it a
> common practice for bookshops?

I've always had to pay before anyone would send me books.

Karen

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What do you think: should I trust https://www.countrybookshop.co.uk/ ?

I ordered some books by J.G.Farrell from there in the middle of July. I
guess I read about their terms before ordering, and had the impression I
must pay when I get the books. But I cannot find a clear explanation of
the ways of payment any more there (there is some trouble with that
site: some areas tend to be blurred, or covered by some other window of
their site, which cannot be removed).

Now they are waiting for a cheque from me whereas only one of the books
seems to be ready to be dispatched, two others are out of stock and on
order with distributor. "As soon as we have your payment details we will
process your order and send the books to you," they wrote to me. Is it a
common practice for bookshops?

Kristin

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On Monday, August 04, 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> What do you think: should I trust https://www.countrybookshop.co.uk/ ?

This gets you a page that says 'hello'. It should be
http://www.countrybookshop.co.uk.

Karen

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>
> It was perfect.  Hot, soft sand, cool water, a commanding panorama
from Bay
> Bridge to Golden Gate across the bay, and a nice little rock outcrop
at the
> end of the beach that we sat on for a while, just soaking it all in.
>
> Pete

There in spirit.  <sigh>

         - D. M.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I've always had to pay before anyone would send me books.

Oh, thank you. I haven't ordered books via web before. This is a relief.

Kristin

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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Monday, August 04, 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > What do you think: should I trust https://www.countrybookshop.co.uk/ ?
>
> This gets you a page that says 'hello'. It should be
> http://www.countrybookshop.co.uk.

Strange. I simply copied the address on the location line.

Kristin

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02003-08-04 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Sun, 3 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > I want to hear what they taste like.
>
> Cumin.
>
> They're edible.  They sure don't taste American, though.  I should be
> eating them with yak-buttered tea or something.

Hm, there is this ... thing ... which we used to eat called "butter".
That's it--we called it butter. It was a baked, hard vaguely cookie-
like thing but savory with cumin. Where can I get that?

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02003-08-04 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> Lynne Weber:
> = > I dunno, I took issue with the whole thing from the
> = > subject line
> = > on down.  Pete is kind and good and all, but she
> = > should have just
> = > sent him personal mail if she wanted an answer from
> = > him.
> = >
> = > And what pisses me off most is that Lynne obviously
> = > didn't even
> = > try it, otherwise she would have had a whole set of
> = > failure based
> = > questions.
> =
> = Yes, I did try it, with lousy results.  I was able to
> = scan one image to one CD-R, and got stuck after that.
>
> Well, what went wrong?
>
> = In addition, I didn't want to be one of those
> = watch-a-ma-call-its that back channels.
> =
>
> You're missing the point there.

You are a kind and thoughtful person, Steph, but
I worry about your sounding like K-R-N.

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02003-08-04 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> My feelings exactly. It's how friendships develop sometimes, too.  (Alyce
> and Tushar as one  recent example).  Sometimes you just don't feel up to
> the list ridicule.

bleet bleet bleet

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At 11:47 AM 8/4/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Monday, August 04, 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
> > Sometimes you just don't feel up to
> > the list ridicule.
>
>Sometimes?!

Sometimes I post to get the predicted ridicule. See if they are paying
attention.

Betty

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= >
= > You're missing the point there.
=
= You are a kind and thoughtful person, Steph, but
= I worry about your sounding like K-R-N.

Thank you.

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On Monday, August 04, 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
> At 11:47 AM 8/4/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>On Monday, August 04, 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
>> > Sometimes you just don't feel up to
>> > the list ridicule.
>>
>>Sometimes?!

> Sometimes I post to get the predicted ridicule. See if they are paying
> attention.

Hm. I don't.

Karen

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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 07:41:55 -0700, Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
wrote:

>
>In addition, I didn't want to be one of those
>watch-a-ma-call-its that back channels.
>
Ah, you've been listening to Rashmi.

Backchannel as much as you want. It may be Words - f'ing - L, but nobody is
monitoring your email.

clo

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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:23:14 -0500, Amy Burns Short <amyb_short@HOTMAIL.COM>
wrote:

>>In addition, I didn't want to be one of those watch-a-ma-call-its that
back
>channels.
>
>Fiancés?
>
>AS, well and let's not forget plenty of ftfing besides ....
>
>:)
>
>P.S. Real answer: What the Hell not? It's nobody's business what one does
>... on ANY channel if you wish not to tell it -- especially if it's
>one-on-one intercourse that's desired.

By the way, congrats again! But shouldn't that be one-<to>-one intercourse
 for the rest of us? I'm blushing!
clo

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Thank you, Pete.  I envy you your trips to the
waterside, and to the beach.  Sounds great.

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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 20:26:47 +0300, Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE>
wrote:

>Karen Kay wrote:
>
>> On Monday, August 04, 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
>> > What do you think: should I trust https://www.countrybookshop.co.uk/ ?
>>
>> This gets you a page that says 'hello'. It should be
>> http://www.countrybookshop.co.uk.
>
>Strange. I simply copied the address on the location line.
>
>Kristin

I'm guessing that the https: line is the secure online ordering system.
clo

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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:47:09 -0700, Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU>
wrote:

>At 11:47 AM 8/4/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>On Monday, August 04, 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
>> > Sometimes you just don't feel up to
>> > the list ridicule.
>>
>>Sometimes?!
>
>Sometimes I post to get the predicted ridicule. See if they are paying
>attention.
>
>Betty

<Now> I understand why you are called Bad Betty!
clo

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> I think I could get hooked on real estate shopping!
>
> Bethany

You are.  Maybe you should take up real estate as a
second calling.


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Friends, this keeps getting better and better. When I met my agent this
morning, she suggested a couple of minor revisions in the offer, now made.
I offered $138,000. The listing agent has asked whether I would pay
$140,000 IF the seller pays the $6k assessment. I would, of course. And I
have learned that the assessment can be paid over 2 years.

I think I could get hooked on real estate shopping!

Bethany

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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>> I think I could get hooked on real estate shopping!
>>
>You are.  Maybe you should take up real estate as a
>second calling.

It's true that real estate is the one thing I have always made money on -
100% of the time. Maybe I will become a slum landlord in my dotage. I have
a friend who has done that.

Bethany

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02003-08-04 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> Thank you, Pete.  I envy you your trips to the
> waterside, and to the beach.  Sounds great.

Man, that's smarmy.

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Bethany,

I have vowed never to move again (willingly) and I don't think I could
love real estate shopping but you have me holding my breath here!  I
cannot wait to hear the final outcome of this.

Rita L. (thinking that 3100 sq. ft. would be just wonderful and
wondering how to stretch my house by 2.5x))

Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

>Friends, this keeps getting better and better. When I met my agent this
>morning, she suggested a couple of minor revisions in the offer, now made.
>I offered $138,000. The listing agent has asked whether I would pay
>$140,000 IF the seller pays the $6k assessment. I would, of course. And I
>have learned that the assessment can be paid over 2 years.
>
>I think I could get hooked on real estate shopping!
>
>Bethany
>
>

--

Rita Leonard
Information Technology Systems Services
O'Neill Library 544
Phone:  617-552-3403
Email: rita.leonard@bc.edu

"Whether you believe you can do a thing
 or not, you are right."  Henry Ford

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-08-04 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
= > Thank you, Pete.  I envy you your trips to the
= > waterside, and to the beach.  Sounds great.
=
= Man, that's smarmy.

Is this where I get to worry about you sounding like K3R3N?

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On Monday, August 04, 2003, steph wrote:
> Tushar Samant:
> = 02003-08-04 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
= >> Thank you, Pete.  I envy you your trips to the
= >> waterside, and to the beach.  Sounds great.
> =
> = Man, that's smarmy.

> Is this where I get to worry about you sounding like K3R3N?

Ha. Ha.

Karen

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I wonder who made the allegations.

Evelyn Duncan
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life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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"Episcopal leaders delayed a vote Monday on whether to confirm the
church's first openly gay bishop after allegations involving
"touching" and "pornography" emerged against the clergyman, a church
spokesman said."

:(

Karen
"Homosexuality is a gift from God."

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At 01:06 PM 8/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>On Monday, August 04, 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
> > At 11:47 AM 8/4/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>On Monday, August 04, 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
> >> > Sometimes you just don't feel up to
> >> > the list ridicule.
> >>
> >>Sometimes?!
>
> > Sometimes I post to get the predicted ridicule. See if they are paying
> > attention.
>
>Hm. I don't.

Really?  What kind of response do you expect when you talk  a lot about
talking cats,  ET's,  Linguine, polentas,  phlegm, etc.?

Betty

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At 02:59 PM 8/4/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> >> I think I could get hooked on real estate shopping!
> >>
> >You are.  Maybe you should take up real estate as a
> >second calling.
>
>It's true that real estate is the one thing I have always made money on -
>100% of the time. Maybe I will become a slum landlord in my dotage. I have
>a friend who has done that.

Have you figured out how much you have lost by not buying sooner?

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BB


> > Really?  What kind of response do you expect when you talk  a lot about
> > talking cats,  ET's,  Linguine, polentas,  phlegm, etc.?
>
>I don't expect ridicule. These are normal parts of my life.
>
>Karen

Sounds mutant.

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> Man, that's smarmy.

My new middle name, I guess.


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On Monday, August 04, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> I wonder who made the allegations.

The ABC News story didn't say.

Karen

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In a message dated 8/4/2003 3:08:50 PM Central Daylight Time, 
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
<<
The ABC News story didn't say.

>>

Neither did Fox nor the Anglican list.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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life:  music and cats."
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On Monday, August 04, 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
> At 01:06 PM 8/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>On Monday, August 04, 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
>> > At 11:47 AM 8/4/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>> >>On Monday, August 04, 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
>> >> > Sometimes you just don't feel up to
>> >> > the list ridicule.
>> >>
>> >>Sometimes?!
>>
>> > Sometimes I post to get the predicted ridicule. See if they are paying
>> > attention.
>>
>>Hm. I don't.

> Really?  What kind of response do you expect when you talk  a lot about
> talking cats,  ET's,  Linguine, polentas,  phlegm, etc.?

I don't expect ridicule. These are normal parts of my life.

Karen

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Oops!  Missed the first paragraph in my previous post.  I hope Sarah
Tippit doesn't read words-l :-(

Rita L.


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Rita Leonard wrote:

>  A copy of an e-mail obtained by Reuters that was sent to Vermont
> Bishop Thomas Ely from a man identified as David Lewis accused New
> Hampshire bishop-elect Gene Robinson of being a "skirt-chaser" who
> fondled him two years ago.
>
> "My personal experience with him is he does not maintain appropriate
> boundaries with men. I believe this is an alarming weakness of character
> that alone makes Gene unsuitable for the office of bishop," the note,
> dated Sunday, said.
>
> New Hampshire bishop-elect Gene Robinson had won approval from the
> church's lower legislative body and was up for a debate and vote by
> Episcopal bishops when the matter was postponed and a news conference
> was scheduled.
>
> Church conservatives have warned Robinson's installation could trigger a
> schism in the 77 million-member Anglican community.
>
> Robinson's supporter, Michael Hopkins, told reporters he was
> disappointed and frustrated by the 11th hour accusation, but hoped it
> would not derail Robinson's installation.
>
> Robinson was not immediately available for comment on the allegations.
>
>
>
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
>> On Monday, August 04, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I wonder who made the allegations.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The ABC News story didn't say.
>>
>> Karen
>>
>>
>
> --
>
> Rita Leonard
> Information Technology Systems Services
> O'Neill Library 544
> Phone:  617-552-3403
> Email: rita.leonard@bc.edu
>
> "Whether you believe you can do a thing
> or not, you are right."  Henry Ford


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At 02:45 PM 8/4/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>Friends, this keeps getting better and better. When I met my agent this
>morning, she suggested a couple of minor revisions in the offer, now made.
>I offered $138,000. The listing agent has asked whether I would pay
>$140,000 IF the seller pays the $6k assessment. I would, of course. And I
>have learned that the assessment can be paid over 2 years.
>
>I think I could get hooked on real estate shopping!

If I need to move, I'll call you.  Good luck, Bethany. I'm guessing they
will reject your low offer though.

Betty

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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Betty Clark wrote:

>If I need to move, I'll call you.  Good luck, Bethany. I'm guessing they
>will reject your low offer though.

Hmmm. I've got a spare quarter. My bet: they will reject my offer, ask for
$140,000 instead of $138,000 - and pay the $6000 assessment themselves. I
will accept those terms.

If absolutely necessary, I will also pay up to $3k of the assessment.

My agent and I have agreed that if this does not pan out, I will now go
look at the Crystal Lake house - it has some features I did not know
about earlier - like an already-installed invisible fence. There was once
a garage in the back - one could be built, and a driveway could be added.

As I said, I am having fun. If the condo deal works out, cool. If is does
not work out, also cool. I get to keep playing.

Bethany

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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Betty Clark wrote:

>Have you figured out how much you have lost by not buying sooner?

I could not have bought sooner.

Bethany

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On Monday, August 04, 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
>> > Really?  What kind of response do you expect when you talk  a lot about
>> > talking cats,  ET's,  Linguine, polentas,  phlegm, etc.?
>>
>>I don't expect ridicule. These are normal parts of my life.
>>
>>Karen

> Sounds mutant.

Well, my ET's never thought so.

Karen

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  A copy of an e-mail obtained by Reuters that was sent to Vermont
Bishop Thomas Ely from a man identified as David Lewis accused New
Hampshire bishop-elect Gene Robinson of being a "skirt-chaser" who
fondled him two years ago.

"My personal experience with him is he does not maintain appropriate
boundaries with men. I believe this is an alarming weakness of character
that alone makes Gene unsuitable for the office of bishop," the note,
dated Sunday, said.

New Hampshire bishop-elect Gene Robinson had won approval from the
church's lower legislative body and was up for a debate and vote by
Episcopal bishops when the matter was postponed and a news conference
was scheduled.

Church conservatives have warned Robinson's installation could trigger a
schism in the 77 million-member Anglican community.

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would not derail Robinson's installation.

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Karen Kay wrote:

>On Monday, August 04, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
>
>>I wonder who made the allegations.
>>
>>
>
>The ABC News story didn't say.
>
>Karen
>
>

--

Rita Leonard
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Email: rita.leonard@bc.edu

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 or not, you are right."  Henry Ford

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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

>I wonder who made the allegations.

CNN:
The delay was called after 11th-hour allegations of inappropriate conduct
were leveled against Robinson. One has to do with an e-mail message
received Sunday night from a man in Manchester, Vermont, accusing
Robinson of having touched him inappropriately a few years ago at a
church convocation. The man's e-mail asked the church to look into his
allegation, church officials said.

No immediate response was available from Robinson.

A second allegation has been floating around the convention for several
days. It contends that a Web site Robinson founded several years ago that
counsels gay and lesbian youths contains a link to a Web site with erotic
photographs, the church officials said.

Robinson told CNN he has had no connection to the Web site for several
years and was not aware of any link it might have had to any such outside
site.

Bethany

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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Rita Leonard wrote:

>I have vowed never to move again (willingly) and I don't think I could
>love real estate shopping but you have me holding my breath here!  I
>cannot wait to hear the final outcome of this.

Rita, you should be able to breathe again soon - we specified a response
by 6 p.m. tomorrow - and we expect to get it by then or shortly
thereafter.

>Rita L. (thinking that 3100 sq. ft. would be just wonderful and
>wondering how to stretch my house by 2.5x))

That's what I love most - the space. I'll send room specs later -

Bethany

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What kind of response do any of us expect when we post about anything here?  There is nothing immune from ridicule on wordsfucking-l.  It's on of the reasons I love it here.  
 
BrP
 
 
 
 

>>> bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU 08/04/03 04:07PM >>>
> > Sometimes I post to get the predicted ridicule. See if they are paying
> > attention.
>
>Hm. I don't.

Really?  What kind of response do you expect when you talk  a lot about
talking cats,  ET's,  Linguine, polentas,  phlegm, etc.?

Betty

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At 04:43 PM 8/4/2003 -0400, Paul Barfoot wrote:
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>What kind of response do any of us expect when we post about anything
>here?  There is nothing immune from ridicule on wordsfucking-l.  It's on
>of the reasons I love it here.
>

Hear! Here!

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... and Betty owes me a quarter, and Rita can breathe again.

The sellers did exactly what I predicted an hour or so ago. They rejected
$138,000 - asked whether I would pay $140,000  - and agreed to pay the
$6000 assessment!

So - barring totally unforeseen calamities, I shall be moving to HH in
September. Closing is set for Aug. 29.

I am considering a 7-yr balloon mortgage. The interest rate is 5.1%,
and payments are calculated as for a 30-year mortgage. Other charges are
also lower than on other mortgages.

Bethany

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At 05:32 PM 8/4/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>... and Betty owes me a quarter, and Rita can breathe again.
>
>The sellers did exactly what I predicted an hour or so ago. They rejected
>$138,000 - asked whether I would pay $140,000  - and agreed to pay the
>$6000 assessment!

Ha!  They rejected your offer and I didn't bet.   Congratulations
anyway!  Good job.


>So - barring totally unforeseen calamities, I shall be moving to HH in
>September. Closing is set for Aug. 29.
>
>I am considering a 7-yr balloon mortgage. The interest rate is 5.1%,
>and payments are calculated as for a 30-year mortgage. Other charges are
>also lower than on other mortgages.
>
>Bethany

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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Betty Clark wrote:

>Ha!  They rejected your offer and I didn't bet.   Congratulations
>anyway!  Good job.

Picky! PIcky!

(Thanks!)

Bethany

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Bethany:
> It's true that real estate is the one thing I have always made money on -
> 100% of the time.

Yep.

Uh huh.

Yeah.

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B. Clark:
>Really?  What kind of response do you expect when you
>talk a lot about talking cats,  ET's,  Linguine,
>polentas,  phlegm, etc.?

Affirmation of her COLORFUL life, and
how pathetically -- no, tragically --
white your life is.


My cat's breath smells like cat food.

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02003-08-04 | lisping cockatiel <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> B. Clark:
> >Really?  What kind of response do you expect when you
> >talk a lot about talking cats,  ET's,  Linguine,
> >polentas,  phlegm, etc.?
>
> Affirmation of her COLORFUL life, and
> how pathetically -- no, tragically --
> white your life is.
>
>
> My cat's breath smells like cat food.

Thanks for the kind and thoughtful post.

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Bethany:
>Closing is set for Aug. 29.

Apropos of nothing, after mentioning HAL
in a message to Evelyn the other day, it
struck me that both he (HAL) and Skynet
were brought online in August, 1997.

I remember Skynet because 29-Aug is LBJ's
birthday as well as one of my cousin's
kid's birthday.  Easy, see?  (0214)

So off I went, looking it all up, expecting
to find the joke, that HAL and Skynet had
the same, er, birthday.

I come to find that HAL is 04-Aug.

Dammit!

But -- wait, I tells meseff -- wasn't
the date for HAL different in the book
and in the movie?

Yeah, I know, whatever.

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> >Ha!  They rejected your offer and I didn't bet.
> Congratulations
> >anyway!  Good job.
>
> Picky! PIcky!
>
> (Thanks!)
>
> Bethany

Good show.  Let us know when you hang out your new
shingle


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Watch yourself the next time you are on the train mildly hungover--it
will entertain you. Like today I saw young ch*k (please, I only have
eyes for them ever since I became an old man) who I thought was, like,
pretty good looking. Not Ann Coulter hot, but definitely above tepid.
That's because she had pronounced "middle eastern" Jewish features.
Please do not ask me to explain what that means. Such ch*x auto-
matically look deep, that is the problem. Then I see that she's
reading a magazine. Could glossy magazines get OUT of their ridiculous
design rut? Sideways title going up a wide left margin, first word
("Think") in dark tan, overlaid by a translucent yellower tan second
word ("Healthy"). About that time she looked up and realized how dull
she looked. Man. What a bore. I mean compared to this other ch*k, who
looked plain at first, but only because she had her head buried in
a book ... which said "Japanese". She was excellent. I had to check
myself that I wasn't staring at her. Pleasant, simple way of sitting
down too, not too many people realize that. Thank the lord for a nice,
lost-in-thought train ride! She closed the book. It said "Japanese for
Busy People". What was she so busy with? Then I realized--with planning
the Japan trip, of course. But she didn't "look like" someone who saves
for a Japan trip ... Man, is this a company thing? Or maybe daddy's money?
God, you couldn't possibly need freakin Japanese to go to the "Roppongi
Hills Hard Rock Cafe"! Ugh! Maybe she should learn Japanese sitting
postures instead, because this one was totally dorky! And what's WITH
that weirdo watch, does she think she is 12 years old?

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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, lisping cockatiel wrote:

>> It's true that real estate is the one thing I have always made money on -
>> 100% of the time.
>
>Yep.

Right. I've lost some on stocks, on paintings, on horse races, and on
football games - but never on realty. I have made money on real estate in
Boone County, Arkansas and in Sequoyah Hills here in Knoxville, also in
north Knoxville (Lincoln Park).

Bethany

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02003-08-04 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > Man, that's smarmy.
>
> My new middle name, I guess.

I worry about your guessing ability.

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02003-08-04 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> "Episcopal leaders delayed a vote Monday on whether to confirm the
> church's first openly gay bishop after allegations involving
> "touching" and "pornography" emerged against the clergyman, a church
> spokesman said."

I don't understand. We are ALL sinners.

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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:22:51 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:

>02003-08-04 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> "Episcopal leaders delayed a vote Monday on whether to confirm the
>> church's first openly gay bishop after allegations involving
>> "touching" and "pornography" emerged against the clergyman, a church
>> spokesman said."
>
>I don't understand. We are ALL sinners.

It's a very interesting charge - the porn site one - as explained on the
news tonight (I think Lehrer - it was on when I walked through the door),
the charge is that there's a link from a site to a site to another site or
maybe to another site with a link to another site - where there's porn.

One of those "degrees of connection" thing; if you have a website through
ASL, Yahoo, etc, you are a hell of a lot closer to porn than that!
clo

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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:28:52 -0500, lisping cockatiel
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>My cat's breath smells like cat food.

This is the most interesting thing I've seen you post.
What brand?

clo

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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:48:43 -0500, lisping cockatiel
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>
>I come to find that HAL is 04-Aug.

Eesh. Thanks for reminding me. It's my FIL's bday;
he would have been 105.

clo

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> I worry about your guessing ability.

Well, you're going to worry anyway, you may as well
add that to the list.

After all, if all smarmy phrases were zapped from the
list - then throw out ridicule - paint over cynicism
-there wouldn't be much left but bare bones, would
there?


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Carolyn Ostrander writes,

>the charge is that there's a link from a site to a site to another site or
>maybe to another site with a link to another site - where there's porn.

Rev. Robinson is affiliated with Concord Outright
<http://outright.gwi.net/Default.asp?Site=NHCO> -- which website is
extremely sparse (except for the "Change Location" link, which jumps to
other, separate Outright organizations).

Neighboring Seacoast Outright explains the general Outright web situation:
<http://www.seacoastoutright.org/>.

Pete

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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>Good show.  Let us know when you hang out your new
>shingle

Interesting comment ... as a matter of fact, I HAVE a shingle here in the
Old City - it's now on the wrong bldg - has been for nearly 3 years -
I need to get someone to get it down for me, before I give notice.

Closing is set for Aug. 29 - if all goes well, I will move during Sept.

Bethany

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02003-08-04 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Monday, August 04, 2003, steph wrote:
> > Tushar Samant:
> > = 02003-08-04 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> = >> Thank you, Pete.  I envy you your trips to the
> = >> waterside, and to the beach.  Sounds great.
> > =
> > = Man, that's smarmy.
>
> > Is this where I get to worry about you sounding like K3R3N?
>
> Ha. Ha.

It's interesting that you find this funny.

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02003-08-04 | Paul Barfoot <Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU> writes:
>
> What kind of response do any of us expect when we post about anything
> here?  There is nothing immune from ridicule on wordsfucking-l.  It's on
> of the reasons I love it here.

I LOVE YOU ET!!!!!!!!!!!

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Betty Clark:
= At 01:06 PM 8/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:
= >On Monday, August 04, 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
= >> At 11:47 AM 8/4/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
= >>>On Monday, August 04, 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
= >>> > Sometimes you just don't feel up to
= >>> > the list ridicule.
= >>>
= >>>Sometimes?!
= >
= >> Sometimes I post to get the predicted ridicule. See if they are paying
= >> attention.
= >
= >Hm. I don't.
=
= Really?  What kind of response do you expect when you talk  a lot about
= talking cats,  ET's,  Linguine, polentas,  phlegm, etc.?
=
= Betty

Do you have to keep bringing that phlegm thing up?

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02003-08-04 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > I worry about your guessing ability.
>
> Well, you're going to worry anyway, you may as well
> add that to the list.
>
> After all, if all smarmy phrases were zapped from the
> list - then throw out ridicule - paint over cynicism
> -there wouldn't be much left but bare bones, would
> there?

If it was limited to cynicism, there would be everyone
but you. But, have it your way. I worry about it, but
feel free.

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02003-08-05 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> Betty Clark:
> = At 01:06 PM 8/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> = >On Monday, August 04, 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
> = >> At 11:47 AM 8/4/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> = >>>On Monday, August 04, 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
> = >>> > Sometimes you just don't feel up to
> = >>> > the list ridicule.
> = >>>
> = >>>Sometimes?!
> = >
> = >> Sometimes I post to get the predicted ridicule. See if they are paying
> = >> attention.
> = >
> = >Hm. I don't.
> =
> = Really?  What kind of response do you expect when you talk  a lot about
> = talking cats,  ET's,  Linguine, polentas,  phlegm, etc.?
> =
> = Betty
>
> Do you have to keep bringing that phlegm thing up?

And bringing linguine up isn't much more charming either ... "Betty"!

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02003-08-04 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> >Good show.  Let us know when you hang out your new
> >shingle
>
> Interesting comment ... as a matter of fact, I HAVE a shingle here in the
> Old City - it's now on the wrong bldg - has been for nearly 3 years -
> I need to get someone to get it down for me, before I give notice.
>
> Closing is set for Aug. 29 - if all goes well, I will move during Sept.

Can you get Chinese-Italian-Thai delivered?

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> If it was limited to cynicism, there would be
> everyone
> but you. But, have it your way. I worry about it,
> but
> feel free.

I'm glad you worry:-}
I enjoy wallowing in my smarmy cynicism.  It's what
keeps me going.


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02003-08-04 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > If it was limited to cynicism, there would be
> > everyone
> > but you. But, have it your way. I worry about it,
> > but
> > feel free.
>
> I'm glad you worry:-}
> I enjoy wallowing in my smarmy cynicism.  It's what
> keeps me going.

Nice "emoticon"!

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02003-08-04 | Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> writes:
> 02003-08-04 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > > If it was limited to cynicism, there would be
> > > everyone
> > > but you. But, have it your way. I worry about it,
> > > but
> > > feel free.
> >
> > I'm glad you worry:-}
> > I enjoy wallowing in my smarmy cynicism.  It's what
> > keeps me going.
>
> Nice "emoticon"!

I am sorry I was snippy like that. I am moving in two days
and it's telling on me.

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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 21:03:28 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:

>Can you get Chinese-Italian-Thai delivered?

Have not wanted to state the obvious, but Chinese-Italian Thai would taste
 quite a lot like the Cardamom-cumin Substitution Muffins (which, by the
 way, might be good to sop up chili). I have eaten much less today than in
 a normal 12 hr workday due to loss of appetite at the threat of having
 such delivered to my door at any moment.

It's bad enough that we cook German-Italian and Japanese-Chinese and
 Japanese-Korean (not to mention "Italian-American") food here. The stomach
 boggles!

By the way, I can get Thai, Korean, Vietnamese, Indian (northern), Italian,
 Middle Eastern, Mexican, Vegan, and Chinese delivered here. Used to get
 Jamaican but they moved to the other side of town. Polish, German,
 Central American and Ukranian do not deliver afaik, but are all good
 lunch  choices w/in 10 min away as well. Have not had the Puerto Rican
 yet, but it's rumored to be good as well. That's not bad variety for a
 small city that's essentially rural in its outlook.

Austin may not deliver Thai, but the best, freshest and most authentic
Vietnamese food I've tasted was at a restaurant Karen took me to there.

clo

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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:48:30 -0700, Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU>
wrote:

>At 05:32 PM 8/4/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>>... and Betty owes me a quarter, and Rita can breathe again.
>>
>>The sellers did exactly what I predicted an hour or so ago. They rejected
>>$138,000 - asked whether I would pay $140,000  - and agreed to pay the
>>$6000 assessment!
>
>Ha!  They rejected your offer and I didn't bet.   Congratulations
>anyway!  Good job.
>
>
>>So - barring totally unforeseen calamities, I shall be moving to HH in
>>September. Closing is set for Aug. 29.
>>
>>I am considering a 7-yr balloon mortgage. The interest rate is 5.1%,
>>and payments are calculated as for a 30-year mortgage. Other charges are
>>also lower than on other mortgages.
>>
>>Bethany

Are you planning not to stay that long, or are the payments that high?
Balloons are a stinking pain - especially since the remortgage rate is
highly likely to be even higher if you refinance then, given how low they
are now. How big is the balloon at the end?

clo, interested in  interest

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> > Nice "emoticon"!
>
> I am sorry I was snippy like that. I am moving in
> two days
> and it's telling on me.

Thank you.  You weren't in the least snippy.  Many
folks anticipating moving, or who are in the midst of
moving, have lapsed into homicidal states.


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I can barely get pizza delivered here.  I must be living
Off-World.



--
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        The Sunday paper had an article that outlined another major
issue with the Corp. and the Missouri River -- apparently
all the artificial rising and falling is kicking loose
Indian burial sites, which is pissing off the tribes (I'd be
pissed off, too) because not only are their ancesters
floating down river, but looters are raiding the sites for
artifacts.

        I don't really care for boats that much, but I think the
river is fascinating.


clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

> At 02:49 PM 8/3/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>  >... Right now the channel is very, very narrow, and they're dredging
>
>> like crazy because they're going the natural route.  I'm
>> sure it will be too shallow within a week or so for traffic.
>>  The Mississippi R. water levels are quite low right now,
>> too -- the Corp. was out last night re-setting the channel
>> buoys.  I'm sure Clyde knows far more about how this all
>> works than I do.
>
>
> Actually, I'm trying to forget.  ;-->
>
> Commercial river navigation, i.e., the bulk transport of materials, depends
> on a fairly stable water level in order to maintain a minimum depth.  In
> most cases, the minimum depth for commercial barge transport is 9ft (ca.
> 3m).  Rivers such as the MIssouri in its lower stretches and the
> Mississippi for most of its length, can support barge traffic by a
> combination of regulating flows from upstream reservoirs (in the case of
> the Missouri), providing "navigation pools" in the MIssissippi (these are
> maintained within certain limits by very low, subsurface dams) and by other
> "engineering"  of the river channel (using dikes, levees, etc.) to make the
> channel narrower and deeper.  In contrast, the Tennessee river is
> essentially totally controlled---there is a system of nine mainstream dams
> (with navigation locks) to maintain the minimum depth necessary as well as
> a much larger number (see, I am forgetting) of upstream tributary or
> flood-control reservoirs that can contribute additional water if needed
> (or, hold it back if flows approach flood stage).
>
> The Missouri has been controversial for a long time now, because of the
> factors you noted---conflict between trying to maintain some semblance of a
> natural river system (especially where federally listed species are
> involved) while still providing the cheap bulk transportation via the
> river.
>
> TVA is also facing continuing controversy---not so much regarding the
> mainstream---which is considered a given---but in terms of the management
> of the upstream tributary reservoirs.  Where formerly they were operated
> for flood control during the flood season (late winter/early spring) and
> for generation of electricity otherwise, the pressure is now on to increase
> flows below the dams to support fish and wildlife and to maintain more
> constant levels in the reservoir pools for recreation (people who have
> built vacation homes don't like to traverse mud flats to get to the
> water).  They are now engaged in a second-generation planning exercise to
> meet the various demands.  I was there for the first-generation
> exercise.  It was interesting and challenging, but not something I'd like
> to repeat.
>
> cwv
>


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In a message dated 8/4/2003 9:32:29 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Many
folks anticipating moving, or who are in the midst of
moving, have lapsed into homicidal states.

>>

One of my friends in Akron was going to kidnap me to
keep me from moving here.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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At 03:59 AM 8/5/2003 +0200, steph wrote:

>Do you have to keep bringing that phlegm thing up?


Gross!!

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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 19:42:36 -0700, Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> wrote:

>At 03:59 AM 8/5/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
>
>>Do you have to keep bringing that phlegm thing up?
>
>
>Gross!!

It seems to be coming up all on its own.
clo

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> One of my friends in Akron was going to kidnap me to
> keep me from moving here.
>
Sounds a little radical, but I'm doubtful that I have
friends who would go that far.  Besides, they could
forget the ransom.

How are the animals coping with one another by now?

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> >Gross!!
>
> It seems to be coming up all on its own.
> clo

Grosser!!!


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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 19:49:02 -0700, Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
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>> One of my friends in Akron was going to kidnap me to
>> keep me from moving here.
>>
>Sounds a little radical, but I'm doubtful that I have
>friends who would go that far.  Besides, they could
>forget the ransom.
>

I had a friend who kidnapped me to get me out of a marriage once.
Pity we lost touch when I had to leave town!
clo

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At 10:44 PM 8/4/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 19:42:36 -0700, Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> wrote:
>
> >At 03:59 AM 8/5/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
> >
> >>Do you have to keep bringing that phlegm thing up?
> >
> >
> >Gross!!
>
>It seems to be coming up all on its own.

Only if repeated on <every> <single> <post> numerous times a day.

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I am certain there was a red light showing on the
underside of my mouse, but now it has disappeared.
This afternoon it died for a while, but it works now,
though it's a bit reluctant.  Does this mean trouble?

Doris,

Do you have runzas in your part of Nebraska?  They
sound delectable.

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>
> I had a friend who kidnapped me to get me out of a
> marriage once.
> Pity we lost touch when I had to leave town!
> clo

That's the best escape for an ill-fated marriage I've
heard yet.


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In a message dated 8/4/2003 9:49:26 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
How are the animals coping with one another by now?

>>

Sweetie stays in the closet during the day; this evening
she would wap Daisy with a paw whenever Daisy got 
near her.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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I am going to be replacing the desktop here at work with a laptop shortly,
and I have been thinking about transferring files. I have put a fair amount
of recorded poetry and music on this desktop, more or less without thought,
over a couple of years; but because it was without thought, it's in
 RealPlayer format instead of something useful. Is it worth taking up room
in the laptop's hard drive, or should I do something more useful, and if
so what?

clo

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> Only if repeated on <every> <single> <post> numerous
> times a day.

Well said, 'nuff said:-)


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At 10:56 PM 8/4/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>I had a friend who kidnapped me to get me out of a marriage once.
>Pity we lost touch when I had to leave town!
>clo

Were you run out?

B

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> Sweetie stays in the closet during the day; this
> evening
> she would wap Daisy with a paw whenever Daisy got
> near her.

Is she showing her claws?  Is your mother still happy
about Daisy?


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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 20:03:04 -0700, Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> wrote:

>At 10:56 PM 8/4/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>>I had a friend who kidnapped me to get me out of a marriage once.
>>Pity we lost touch when I had to leave town!
>>clo
>
>Were you run out?
>
>B

No, though that would make a better story.
I was indigent with two small children, and had only lived in Buffalo 6 mos
or so - I had no resources other than my La Leche League friends; most of
the people I had met through Ze'ev were either drug connections or artists,
but not much interested in me either way.

I went back to places where I had more connections so I could make a stab
 at getting a job and finding a place to live.

clo

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> On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:22:51 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
wrote:
>
> >02003-08-04 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> "Episcopal leaders delayed a vote Monday on whether to confirm the
> >> church's first openly gay bishop after allegations involving
> >> "touching" and "pornography" emerged against the clergyman, a
church
> >> spokesman said."
> >
> >I don't understand. We are ALL sinners.
>
> It's a very interesting charge - the porn site one - as explained on
the
> news tonight (I think Lehrer - it was on when I walked through the
door),
> the charge is that there's a link from a site to a site to another
site or
> maybe to another site with a link to another site - where there's
porn.
>
> One of those "degrees of connection" thing; if you have a website
through
> ASL, Yahoo, etc, you are a hell of a lot closer to porn than that!
> clo

I think that "We are all sinners" is about the worst thing
one could say in this or so many other situations.
Bush said it this week about gay marriages, and I thought
it was a really bad and stupid thing to say.  It sounds
condescending, and is a sideways way of casting blame
and judgement.

Besides, what is sin?  In whose eyes?

Bah.

                    - D. M.

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> I think that "We are all sinners" is about the worst
> thing
> one could say in this or so many other situations.
> Bush said it this week about gay marriages, and I
> thought
> it was a really bad and stupid thing to say.  It
> sounds
> condescending, and is a sideways way of casting
> blame
> and judgement.
>
> Besides, what is sin?  In whose eyes?
>
> Bah.
>
>                     - D. M.

Perhaps nowadays it is too much a case of "Sin is in
the eye of the beholder".


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> I am certain there was a red light showing on the
> underside of my mouse, but now it has disappeared.
> This afternoon it died for a while, but it works now,
> though it's a bit reluctant.  Does this mean trouble?
>
> Doris,
>
> Do you have runzas in your part of Nebraska?  They
> sound delectable.

Er, ah, I think so, although I have only partaken
about once or twice, and that in the home a friend
who made them to put in her freezer.  I have never
ordered one from a runza "place."  I have never
made them.   We have a runza fast food place on
"hamburger strip", I think.

                 - D. M.

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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> I am sorry I was snippy like that. I am moving in two days
> and it's telling on me.

Tushar needs a (((((H U G )))))  !

Ann

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In a message dated 8/4/2003 10:04:54 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Is she showing her claws?  Is your mother still happy
about Daisy?

>>

No, she's not using her claws, but she is hissing, and she
usually doesn't hiss.  Brandy used to hiss when he was
merely displeased, but Sweetie has to be really upset to
hiss.

I think Mom is happy having someone to take care of.
Also it gets her out of going to church.  She hasn't wanted
to go to that church after her Sunday School teacher said
that he thought that I was a devil worshipper just because
he saw me (6 months ago!) with a book with the word 
"devil" in the title (it was a book about Paul and the Devil and
how Paul was tormented by Satan).

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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> Er, ah, I think so, although I have only partaken
> about once or twice, and that in the home a friend
> who made them to put in her freezer.  I have never
> ordered one from a runza "place."  I have never
> made them.   We have a runza fast food place on
> "hamburger strip", I think.
>
>                  - D. M.

I just heard about them today on Food Network, and
didn't realize they were fast food.


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> I think Mom is happy having someone to take care of.
> Also it gets her out of going to church.  She hasn't
> wanted
> to go to that church after her Sunday School teacher
> said
> that he thought that I was a devil worshipper just
> because
> he saw me (6 months ago!) with a book with the word
> "devil" in the title (it was a book about Paul and
> the Devil and
> how Paul was tormented by Satan).  REALLY?

Again, perhaps, a case of sin being in the eye of the
beholder.  Seems a shame for her to fore go church
because of one such mean spirit.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> life:  music and cats."
> --Albert Schweitzer


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In a message dated 8/4/2003 10:27:56 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Again, perhaps, a case of sin being in the eye of the
beholder.  Seems a shame for her to fore go church
because of one such mean spirit.

>>

I don't think he's really mean; I think he's autistic, more
than I am; he's definitely more rigid than I ever have been.
I was lucky; I was able to find out about autism while I
was at Akron U., and I read up everything I could about it
(which is an autistic trait in itself :)    ).
Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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> I don't think he's really mean; I think he's
> autistic, more
> than I am; he's definitely more rigid than I ever
> have been.
> I was lucky; I was able to find out about autism
> while I
> was at Akron U., and I read up everything I could
> about it
> (which is an autistic trait in itself :)    ).

I say sincerely, without any smarminess or cynicism,
that I think that's terrific.


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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>Are you planning not to stay that long, or are the payments that high?

HOw lopng? Yes, the payments will be high.

>Balloons are a stinking pain - especially since the remortgage rate is
>highly likely to be even higher if you refinance then, given how low they

Depends, of course - I think rates will go back down at some point.

>are now. How big is the balloon at the end?

It will be the principal minus the bit I have paid off.

Bethany

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02003-08-04 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> most authentic

I am afraid this disqualifies you totally.

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02003-08-04 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> Thank you.  You weren't in the least snippy.  Many
> folks anticipating moving, or who are in the midst of
> moving, have lapsed into homicidal states.

Oh, it was not because of moving. I just have this huge
stick up my ass, pretty much year-round.

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02003-08-04 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> >
> > I had a friend who kidnapped me to get me out of a
> > marriage once.
> > Pity we lost touch when I had to leave town!
>
> That's the best escape for an ill-fated marriage I've
> heard yet.

Did it say ill-fated? I worry about your reading.

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02003-08-04 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> I am certain there was a red light showing on the
> underside of my mouse, but now it has disappeared.
> This afternoon it died for a while, but it works now,
> though it's a bit reluctant.  Does this mean trouble?

You won't get any response to a question like this.
Why didn't you say "Question for Steph" in the header?

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02003-08-04 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> I think that "We are all sinners" is about the worst thing
> one could say in this or so many other situations.
> Bush said it this week about gay marriages, and I thought
> it was a really bad and stupid thing to say.  It sounds
> condescending, and is a sideways way of casting blame
> and judgement.
>
> Besides, what is sin?  In whose eyes?
>
> Bah.

Does that mean I can't be a jackass about it? We all need
cheap laughs, madam ...

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02003-08-04 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > I am sorry I was snippy like that. I am moving in two days
> > and it's telling on me.
>
> Tushar needs a (((((H U G )))))  !

It's fascinating that you know all about my needs, Borkin.
You're clearly a very kind and thoughtful person.

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Bethany,

That is super!  I'll send you a quarter.  Breathing feels really good
after all this time :-)

Rita L.

Betty Clark wrote:

> At 05:32 PM 8/4/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>
>> ... and Betty owes me a quarter, and Rita can breathe again.
>>
>> The sellers did exactly what I predicted an hour or so ago. They
>> rejected
>> $138,000 - asked whether I would pay $140,000  - and agreed to pay the
>> $6000 assessment!
>
>
> Ha!  They rejected your offer and I didn't bet.   Congratulations
> anyway!  Good job.
>
>
>> So - barring totally unforeseen calamities, I shall be moving to HH in
>> September. Closing is set for Aug. 29.
>>
>> I am considering a 7-yr balloon mortgage. The interest rate is 5.1%,
>> and payments are calculated as for a 30-year mortgage. Other charges are
>> also lower than on other mortgages.
>>
>> Bethany
>

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-08-04 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
= > Thank you.  You weren't in the least snippy.  Many
= > folks anticipating moving, or who are in the midst of
= > moving, have lapsed into homicidal states.
=
= Oh, it was not because of moving. I just have this huge
= stick up my ass, pretty much year-round.

I'm coming over to remove it.  Mid-September.  I'll let you know
when I know.

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-08-04 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
= > I am certain there was a red light showing on the
= > underside of my mouse, but now it has disappeared.
= > This afternoon it died for a while, but it works now,
= > though it's a bit reluctant.  Does this mean trouble?
=
= You won't get any response to a question like this.
= Why didn't you say "Question for Steph" in the header?

I'm not going to tell you how my poor little brain processed this
mess.

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On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Rita Leonard wrote:

>That is super!  I'll send you a quarter.  Breathing feels really good
>after all this time :-)

This is more than super. My first quarter of my first condo payment!
Thank you. And enjoy breathing ...

Bethany

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On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 01:24:22 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:

>02003-08-04 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
>> most authentic
>
>I am afraid this disqualifies you totally.

You are right, of course!
clo

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Doris Markland wrote:

>>On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:22:51 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
>>
> wrote:
>
>>>02003-08-04 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>>>
>>>>"Episcopal leaders delayed a vote Monday on whether to confirm the
>>>>church's first openly gay bishop after allegations involving
>>>>"touching" and "pornography" emerged against the clergyman, a
>>>>
> church
>
>>>>spokesman said."
>>>>
>>>I don't understand. We are ALL sinners.
>>>
>>It's a very interesting charge - the porn site one - as explained on
>>
> the
>
>>news tonight (I think Lehrer - it was on when I walked through the
>>
> door),
>
>>the charge is that there's a link from a site to a site to another
>>
> site or
>
>>maybe to another site with a link to another site - where there's
>>
> porn.
>
>>One of those "degrees of connection" thing; if you have a website
>>
> through
>
>>ASL, Yahoo, etc, you are a hell of a lot closer to porn than that!
>>clo
>>
>
> I think that "We are all sinners" is about the worst thing
> one could say in this or so many other situations.
> Bush said it this week about gay marriages, and I thought
> it was a really bad and stupid thing to say.  It sounds
> condescending, and is a sideways way of casting blame
> and judgement.
>
> Besides, what is sin?  In whose eyes?
>
> Bah.


        Presumably God's, since he's up for *Bishop*.  We know the
context of the debate here.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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At 09:38 PM 8/4/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>        The Sunday paper had an article that outlined another major
>issue with the Corp. and the Missouri River -- apparently
>all the artificial rising and falling is kicking loose
>Indian burial sites, which is pissing off the tribes (I'd be
>pissed off, too) because not only are their ancesters
>floating down river, but looters are raiding the sites for
>artifacts.

Uh oh.  P.O.d previous immigrants are not a fun group to deal with.  TVA
had a few unpleasant experiences with Cherokees and Navajos.  Well, it will
give the Corps something to do---locating and protecting all of the sites.

cwv

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20:13 04.08.2003 -0500 skrev Tushar Samant:
>lost-in-thought train ride! She closed the book. It said "Japanese for
>Busy People". What was she so busy with? Then I realized--with planning

I have Japanese for busy people in my bookshelf. Two versions actually: one with Latin characters giving the pronounciation and one with hiragana.

Espen

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> 02003-08-04 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> > I think that "We are all sinners" is about the worst thing
> > one could say in this or so many other situations.
> > Bush said it this week about gay marriages, and I thought
> > it was a really bad and stupid thing to say.  It sounds
> > condescending, and is a sideways way of casting blame
> > and judgement.
> >
> > Besides, what is sin?  In whose eyes?
> >
> > Bah.
>
> Does that mean I can't be a jackass about it? We all need
> cheap laughs, madam ...


We are all jackasses.

      - D. M.

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There's probably a limit to how big a rainbow can be.

Hey, wait a minute - rainbows are only in our eyes, right?

Wrong.  There has to be some moisture to refract the light or whatever
happens, right?

Right.

So maybe the limit would be, how high the moisture could be?

OK this is muddled thinking.  I don't know how to think about this so I'll
tell you how it started:

I saw this entire arc of a rainbow this morning; it was high, wide and
HUGE and (more unusual) COMPLETE.  And I wondered, say, if that was steel,
say, or glass, or some combination - how big would that be?  How high is
that arc?

Ann

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On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 01:13:54 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas
<dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> wrote:

>On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
>>Are you planning not to stay that long, or are the payments that high?
>
>HOw long? Yes, the payments will be high.
>
>>Balloons are a stinking pain - especially since the remortgage rate is
>>highly likely to be even higher if you refinance then, given how low they
>
>Depends, of course - I think rates will go back down at some point.

Hm. Between the last time rates were this low and now, we had the 70s and
80s. I had a friend whose mortgage was at 21% interest. If I thought I were
going to be someplace for 7 years, I would not want to have a balloon
coming due at who knows what rate. If, on the other hand, you intend to
move again in the intervening time, of course it's a good plan.

I have had a balloon mortgage in the past, from necessity. We intended to
live there 2 years; ended up staying for 15. Luckily, rates were falling
at the time we needed to refinance.

>>are now. How big is the balloon at the end?
>
>It will be the principal minus the bit I have paid off.

uh, yeah. I wasn't asking for the amount, really. By the end of 7 yrs,
there won't be that much equity, and still a lot to refinance. Oh well,
you got a great deal and with luck your property will appreciate and
rates will be low.

It's great that you were accepted so quickly, and at such a good deal.

clo

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02003-08-05 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> There's probably a limit to how big a rainbow can be.
>
> Hey, wait a minute - rainbows are only in our eyes, right?
>
> Wrong.  There has to be some moisture to refract the light or whatever
> happens, right?
>
> Right.
>
> So maybe the limit would be, how high the moisture could be?
>
> OK this is muddled thinking.  I don't know how to think about this so I'll
> tell you how it started:
>
> I saw this entire arc of a rainbow this morning; it was high, wide and
> HUGE and (more unusual) COMPLETE.  And I wondered, say, if that was steel,
> say, or glass, or some combination - how big would that be?  How high is
> that arc?

A complete circle?

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02003-08-05 | Espen Ore <Espen.Ore@NB.NO> writes:
> 20:13 04.08.2003 -0500 skrev Tushar Samant:
> >lost-in-thought train ride! She closed the book. It said "Japanese for
> >Busy People". What was she so busy with? Then I realized--with planning
>
> I have Japanese for busy people in my bookshelf. Two versions actually:
> one with Latin characters giving the pronounciation and one with hiragana.

She was beautiful ...

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Ann Borkin writes,

>How high is that arc?

Pretty high.

I've got a spectacular pano of a full double rainbow that I haven't
finished working on yet, but I'll post a preview:

<http://peterkaminski.com/photos/kaminski-rainbows-20030413.jpg> (61k)

The second rainbow is faint, but still visible, and quite high.  For scale,
assuming the rainbows are about as far away as the power towers on the
right, the main rainbow is about 3x as tall, and the second rainbow about 4.8x.

Those white dots near the horizon are houses, and they're a couple times as
far as the power towers; it's possible the rainbows are closer to them,
which would make the rainbows even higher.

As long as I'm posting, I uploaded a pano of SF from bridge to bridge that
I took from above Perle's Beach on Angel Island:

<http://peterkaminski.com/photos/kaminski-sf-20030803-3284.jpg> (409k)
<http://peterkaminski.com/photos/kaminski-sf-20030803-800.jpg> (33k)

"3284" and "800" are widths in pixels.  3284 is a couple screens wide, and
you have to scroll to see everything, but it's got much more detail.  800
fits on one screen, but the details are very small.

I plan to post more AI pics later.

Pete

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On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>uh, yeah. I wasn't asking for the amount, really. By the end of 7 yrs,
>there won't be that much equity, and still a lot to refinance. Oh well,
>you got a great deal and with luck your property will appreciate and
>rates will be low.

Well, in such matters, my accountant rules. She insists on a 30-year
fixed, so that's what it will be. Now I am mortgage-shopping. And home
inspector-shopping.

>It's great that you were accepted so quickly, and at such a good deal.

Yeah - very cool!

Bethany

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At 10:33 05.08.2003 -0500, you wrote:
>02003-08-05 | Espen Ore <Espen.Ore@NB.NO> writes:
> > 20:13 04.08.2003 -0500 skrev Tushar Samant:
> > >lost-in-thought train ride! She closed the book. It said "Japanese for
> > >Busy People". What was she so busy with? Then I realized--with planning
> >
> > I have Japanese for busy people in my bookshelf. Two versions actually:
> > one with Latin characters giving the pronounciation and one with hiragana.
>
>She was beautiful ...


I am not.

Espen

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> Those white dots near the horizon are houses, and
> they're a couple times as
> far as the power towers; it's possible the rainbows
> are closer to them,
> which would make the rainbows even higher.
> fits on one screen, but the details are very small.
>
> I plan to post more AI pics later.
>
> Pete

Gorgeous.


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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Espen S. Ore
>Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 11:57 AM
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>Subject: Re: Judging books by their covers
>
>
>At 10:33 05.08.2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>02003-08-05 | Espen Ore <Espen.Ore@NB.NO> writes:
>> > 20:13 04.08.2003 -0500 skrev Tushar Samant:
>> > >lost-in-thought train ride! She closed the book. It said
>"Japanese for
>> > >Busy People". What was she so busy with? Then I
>realized--with planning
>> >
>> > I have Japanese for busy people in my bookshelf. Two
>versions actually:
>> > one with Latin characters giving the pronounciation and
>one with hiragana.
>>
>>She was beautiful ...
>
>
>I am not.
>
>Espen
>

You are beautiful. We are all beautiful.


alec

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On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> > I saw this entire arc of a rainbow this morning; it was high, wide and
> > HUGE and (more unusual) COMPLETE.  And I wondered, say, if that was steel,
> > say, or glass, or some combination - how big would that be?  How high is
> > that arc?
>
> A complete circle?

heh heh I thought you might call me on this, Samant.

I have 2 answers ready:

1.  A complete RAINBOW, stoopid.

2.  Yes - and it illuminated all sorts of buried artifacts and mammal
bones and serpentine layers and I even spotted a volcano that will erupt
in 1000 years.

Ann

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Ann, the Rainbow Warrior:
>How high is that arc?

The angle between the level of your eye
and the top of a rainbow is always the
same, 42.333 degrees.

If you know how far away the rainbow is,
multiply by the tangent of that angle,
and you know how high the rainbow is.


(I stole this example from an otherwise
atrocious programming book[*] and use it
to show people library functions, and to
remind them that they work with radians,
not degrees.)


*_Programming in C++_
 Dale, Weems, and Headington
 Jones and Bartlett, 2001
 0-7637-1424-0

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At 08:42 AM 8/5/2003 -0700, Peter Kaminski wrote:

><http://peterkaminski.com/photos/kaminski-sf-20030803-3284.jpg> (409k)

Nice!

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At 05:56 PM 8/5/2003 +0200, Espen S. Ore wrote:

>>She was beautiful ...
>
>
>I am not.

Yes you are!

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On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 01:32:31 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:

>02003-08-04 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
>> >
>> > I had a friend who kidnapped me to get me out of a
>> > marriage once.
>> > Pity we lost touch when I had to leave town!
>>
>> That's the best escape for an ill-fated marriage I've
>> heard yet.
>
>Did it say ill-fated? I worry about your reading.

LOL!

I sort of think an ill-fated marriage will implode on its own - no need
for rescue. My cousin's marriage that was annulled after 2 weeks, now -
that was ill-fated!

clo

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>
> You are beautiful. We are all beautiful.
>
>
> alec

We are all beautiful sinners.

        - D. M.

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On Monday, August 04, 2003, lisping cockatiel wrote:
> B. Clark:
>>Really?  What kind of response do you expect when you
>>talk a lot about talking cats,  ET's,  Linguine,
>>polentas,  phlegm, etc.?

> Affirmation of her COLORFUL life, and
> how pathetically -- no, tragically --
> white your life is.

How little you understand me. I think my life is quite boring most of
the time.

Karen

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02003-08-05 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 05:56 PM 8/5/2003 +0200, Espen S. Ore wrote:
>
> >>She was beautiful ...
> >
> >
> >I am not.
>
> Yes you are!

Hey

He was talking to me. Do you MIND?

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> > You are beautiful. We are all beautiful.
> >
> >
> > alec
>
> We are all beautiful sinners.
>
>         - D. M.

And/or jackasses.


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On Monday, August 04, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Austin may not deliver Thai, but the best, freshest and most authentic
> Vietnamese food I've tasted was at a restaurant Karen took me to there.

The Thai is good, too. There is lots of good food here.

I recently found two good barbecue places in town, so I'm happy.

Was Amy's Ice Cream here when you were here?

Karen

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On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:59:59 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>On Monday, August 04, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>> Austin may not deliver Thai, but the best, freshest and most authentic
>> Vietnamese food I've tasted was at a restaurant Karen took me to there.
>
>The Thai is good, too. There is lots of good food here.
>
>I recently found two good barbecue places in town, so I'm happy.
>
>Was Amy's Ice Cream here when you were here?

Which time? ;)

I didn't run across it, but that means nothing. Lately it was a short
trip; and previously I was restricted to bus routes after the drive shaft
fell out of the van.

clo

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On Tuesday, August 05, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:59:59 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
>>Was Amy's Ice Cream here when you were here?

> Which time? ;)

> I didn't run across it, but that means nothing. Lately it was a short
> trip; and previously I was restricted to bus routes after the drive shaft
> fell out of the van.

It's on Guadalupe and... 34th, something like that. I've been by it a
zillion times, but went in there with My Fiber Friend the other day. I
needed ice cream after helping Ligniere move. Chocolate cheesecake and
Belgian chocolate sundae. Yum!

Karen

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On Tuesday, August 05, 2003, lisping cockatiel wrote:
> Ann, the Rainbow Warrior:
>>How high is that arc?

> The angle between the level of your eye
> and the top of a rainbow is always the
> same, 42.333 degrees.

I hear the cry of the Wild Geek! Geekgeekgeek....

Karen

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At 12:04 PM 8/5/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> > You are beautiful. We are all beautiful.
> >
> >
> > alec
>
>We are all beautiful sinners.
>
>         - D. M.

Yes, and everybody has been to Europe.

cwv

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>At 12:04 PM 8/5/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
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>> > You are beautiful. We are all beautiful.
>> >
>> >
>> > alec
>>
>>We are all beautiful sinners.
>>
>>         - D. M.
>
>Yes, and everybody has been to Europe.
>
>cwv
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In a message dated 8/5/2003 1:39:36 PM Central Daylight Time, 
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<<
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>>

Sure, I wouldn't mind $3,500!  I think the puppy lost my glasses; the ones
I've been using since the thief broke mine.  I know insurance will pay for
the exam, $60 towards the lenses (I'm getting Progressives), and $50
towards the frames.

I'm thinking about selling most of my books, tapes, and CDs.  I guess
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> > >
> > > You are beautiful. We are all beautiful.
> > >
> > >
> > > alec
> >
> >We are all beautiful sinners.
> >
> >         - D. M.
>
> Yes, and everybody has been to Europe.
>
> cwv


Yes.  That's where sin is learned.

           - D. M.

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>
> I am considering a 7-yr balloon mortgage. The interest rate is 5.1%,
> and payments are calculated as for a 30-year mortgage. Other charges
> are
> also lower than on other mortgages.
>
I thought the British banks were bad.

Why are they charging you anything extra, if you look at the difference
between that interest rate and the base rate you are paying more than
enough already.

> Bethany
>
Roy

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On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Roy Jaques wrote:

>> I am considering a 7-yr balloon mortgage. The interest rate is 5.1%,
>> and payments are calculated as for a 30-year mortgage. Other charges
>> are
>> also lower than on other mortgages.
>>
>I thought the British banks were bad.
>
>Why are they charging you anything extra, if you look at the difference
>between that interest rate and the base rate you are paying more than
>enough already.

Points and closing costs are simply part of the deal.

Bethany

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Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Roy Jaques wrote:
>
>
>>>I am considering a 7-yr balloon mortgage. The interest rate is 5.1%,
>>>and payments are calculated as for a 30-year mortgage. Other charges
>>>are
>>>also lower than on other mortgages.
>>>
>>>
>>I thought the British banks were bad.
>>
>>Why are they charging you anything extra, if you look at the difference
>>between that interest rate and the base rate you are paying more than
>>enough already.
>>
>
> Points and closing costs are simply part of the deal.


        Not if you negotiate!  We just re-financed without points or
closing costs or fees or any sort.


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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At 02:15 PM 8/5/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:


>Yes.  That's where sin is learned.

There is no such thing.

cwv

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> At 02:15 PM 8/5/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
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> >Yes.  That's where sin is learned.
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> There is no such thing.
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> cwv

Exactly.

   - D. M.

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02003-08-05 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> At 02:15 PM 8/5/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
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> >Yes.  That's where sin is learned.
>
> There is no such thing.

The philosophy doctor's been scamming family members again!

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02003-08-05 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>        Not if you negotiate!  We just re-financed without points or
> closing costs or fees or any sort.

Haggling on fees is really low, if you ask me ...

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On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

>> Points and closing costs are simply part of the deal.
>
>
>        Not if you negotiate!  We just re-financed without points or
>closing costs or fees or any sort.

Congratulations! That's great. I cannot find anyone who will do a new
mortgage without points and closing costs - unless one puts down at least
20% - which I cannot do. Equity counts!

Bethany

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Think you're smart? Forget MENSA - Go to:

http://www.pressanykey.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/pak/jquiz.cgi

and see how clever you really are!

Bethany

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In a message dated 8/5/2003 6:34:59 PM Central Daylight Time, 
dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU writes:
<<
Think you're smart? Forget MENSA - Go to:

http://www.pressanykey.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/pak/jquiz.cgi

and see how clever you really are!

Bethany

>>

It's easy; I got all 12 right.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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I got them all wrong!  I worry about my imagination...

Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 8/5/2003 6:34:59 PM Central Daylight Time,
> dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU writes:
> <<
> Think you're smart? Forget MENSA - Go to:
>
> http://www.pressanykey.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/pak/jquiz.cgi
>
> and see how clever you really are!
>
> Bethany
>
>
>
> It's easy; I got all 12 right.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> life:  music and cats."
> --Albert Schweitzer
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Why should I watch myself the next time I am on a train mildly hungover?  It
will be far more satisfying to bend my eye toward the busy but literate
ch()k across the aisle (better a busy ch{}k than one reading a book written
for an idiot).

Don't you observe, though, that the ch)(ks are usually bent in deep
concentration over books emblazoned with Grafton and Grisham in green
blocks?

If you ever again see a woman reading a book that's likely to be be on
Espen's shelf, you should forthwith get down on your knees, explain to her
that you have long longed for a busy woman (it's an obvious pickup line,
sensitive and observant), and ask for her digital appendages in marriage.

Then you can cease your fruitless wanderings on trains.  Do you not, like
the train itself, grow weary of daily repeating a voyage that begins and
ends at stops A and B?  The train itself at least struggles to the end of
the line before surrendering to the inevitability of the return trip, while
you meekly surrender step down at some gloomy intermittent point. This is
not the way to enlightenment.  It is not even the way to get ahead.

Think, man, by now, you could be comforting a busy woman, serving her green
tea, bringing her chunks of smoked eel, and preparing her an herbal foot
bath to soothe her busy feet.

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02003-08-05 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Why should I watch myself the next time I am on a train mildly hungover?  It
> will be far more satisfying to bend my eye toward the busy but literate
> ch()k across the aisle (better a busy ch{}k than one reading a book written
> for an idiot).
>
> Don't you observe, though, that the ch)(ks are usually bent in deep
> concentration over books emblazoned with Grafton and Grisham in green
> blocks?
>
> If you ever again see a woman reading a book that's likely to be be on
> Espen's shelf, you should forthwith get down on your knees, explain to her
> that you have long longed for a busy woman (it's an obvious pickup line,
> sensitive and observant), and ask for her digital appendages in marriage.
>
> Then you can cease your fruitless wanderings on trains.  Do you not, like
> the train itself, grow weary of daily repeating a voyage that begins and
> ends at stops A and B?  The train itself at least struggles to the end of
> the line before surrendering to the inevitability of the return trip, while
> you meekly surrender step down at some gloomy intermittent point. This is
> not the way to enlightenment.  It is not even the way to get ahead.
>
> Think, man, by now, you could be comforting a busy woman, serving her green
> tea, bringing her chunks of smoked eel, and preparing her an herbal foot
> bath to soothe her busy feet.


These are very good points. I will address them after all the YaYs
and Meebers have died down. I should have moved by then.

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02003-08-05 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> I got them all wrong!  I worry about my imagination...

#1, it was not an imagination test, dumbass. It was intelligence.
Strange concept to you, I know. My own score is irrelevant, but
you are a first-class moron and I worry about your LIFE.


> >http://www.pressanykey.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/pak/jquiz.cgi

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Yes, the pathetic exuberance of the YaYs and Meebers will be annoying.
Let's resolve now to snub all such kowtowing.  Even punishing becomes a kind
of embarrassing reward.  Better, I think, to ignore it altogether.  Entering
into words-l, it is said, is like walking into a room where many
conversations are in progress.  But it is also said that there are many
discussions here, and that, it seems, is demonstrably false.

Will you move to a different train station?

>These are very good points. I will address them after all the YaYs
>and Meebers have died down. I should have moved by then.

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----- Original Message -----
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> Think, man, by now, you could be comforting a busy woman, serving her
green
> tea, bringing her chunks of smoked eel, and preparing her an herbal foot
> bath to soothe her busy feet.

Ok, but how about busying a comfortable woman, serving her chamomile, and
salmon?

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> Will you move to a different train station?

Get a room?

> >These are very good points. I will address them after all the YaYs
> >and Meebers have died down. I should have moved by then.

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I don't doubt there are Ch[]x in Rhode Island who will fall for this menu,
but I suspect these same women, when they find themselves on trains, spend
their time reading Grisham and Grafton and thinking about aromatherapeutic
diets.

>Ok, but how about busying a comfortable woman, serving her chamomile, and
>salmon?

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----- Original Message -----
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> I don't doubt there are Ch[]x in Rhode Island who will fall for this menu,
> but I suspect these same women, when they find themselves on trains, spend
> their time reading Grisham and Grafton and thinking about aromatherapeutic
> diets.

'Might depend on the strength of the salmon... ;-P  but there's some hot
cynicism in The Gutenberg Elegies... 'keep them from staring out the windows
of the train.

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> Haggling on fees is really low, if you ask me ...

Please.  "Haggle" is not a word we use.  Don't
distract Ms. Dumas from her negotiations.

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--- Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> Why should I watch myself the next time I am on a
> train mildly hungover?  It
> will be far more satisfying to bend my eye toward
> the busy but literate
> ch()k across the aisle (better a busy ch{}k than one
> reading a book written
> for an idiot).
>
> Don't you observe, though, that the ch)(ks are
> usually bent in deep
> concentration over books emblazoned with Grafton and
> Grisham in green
> blocks?
>
> If you ever again see a woman reading a book that's
> likely to be be on
> Espen's shelf, you should forthwith get down on your
> knees, explain to her
> that you have long longed for a busy woman (it's an
> obvious pickup line,
> sensitive and observant), and ask for her digital
> appendages in marriage.
>
> Then you can cease your fruitless wanderings on
> trains.  Do you not, like
> the train itself, grow weary of daily repeating a
> voyage that begins and
> ends at stops A and B?  The train itself at least
> struggles to the end of
> the line before surrendering to the inevitability of
> the return trip, while
> you meekly surrender step down at some gloomy
> intermittent point. This is
> not the way to enlightenment.  It is not even the
> way to get ahead.
>
> Think, man, by now, you could be comforting a busy
> woman, serving her green
> tea, bringing her chunks of smoked eel, and
> preparing her an herbal foot
> bath to soothe her busy feet.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-08-05 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>I got them all wrong!  I worry about my imagination...
>>
>
> #1, it was not an imagination test, dumbass. It was intelligence.
> Strange concept to you, I know. My own score is irrelevant, but
> you are a first-class moron and I worry about your LIFE.


        Sniff.  Thank you, Pasha.


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Is it available for MS Reader?  If I can't download it to my Axim, I don't
bother with it.


Hey, you should invite some of your bund friends to an ebookburning party!
You could buy thousands of electronic copies of books you dislike, maybe
Heather Has Two Mommies, or Hilary's memoir (or just about anything not
penned by Ann Coulter), and then delete them!  Possibly you should send this
suggestion to your contacts in the Republican Party....I think they'll fund
it if you explain it properly.


>'Might depend on the strength of the salmon... ;-P  but there's some hot
>cynicism in The Gutenberg Elegies... 'keep them from staring out the
>windows
>of the train.

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In light of this, I exercise my right to revise and distend my previous
comments.

>
>He's right, you know, T.S.
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What's the matter with those bozos at the Audubon Society and Peterson's
that they haven't yet converted any of their field guides into ebook
formats?  Eh?  Isn't it about time?

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At 09:51 PM 8/5/2003 -0400, Marty Rosen wrote:
>What's the matter with those bozos at the Audubon Society and Peterson's
>that they haven't yet converted any of their field guides into ebook
>formats?  Eh?  Isn't it about time?

Too cheap to purchase one?

Betty

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> I've got a spectacular pano of a full double rainbow that I haven't
> finished working on yet, but I'll post a preview:
>
> <http://peterkaminski.com/photos/kaminski-rainbows-20030413.jpg> (61k)

Man oh man that is the BIGGEST GODDAMNED RAINBOW I ever did see.  Square
on, too.

I said "square on" because I think most of the rainbows I see are seen
askance, slanty.  But is this wrong?  How can it be right?

Do you know what I mean - do I really see a partial circle, or some kind
of elipse-like thing, don't know the words . . .

I must be wrong.  Do we always see parts of circles head-on?

Ann

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On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, lisping cockatiel wrote:

> The angle between the level of your eye
> and the top of a rainbow is always the
> same, 42.333 degrees.
>
> If you know how far away the rainbow is,
> multiply by the tangent of that angle,
> and you know how high the rainbow is.

I will make a note of it!

[geez Richard this is the grain of non-comprehension I will build an
inferior pearl-like substance around.  In other words, I am going to try
to understand this.  First, I will look up "tangent."]

Ann

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On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:

> Yes, the pathetic exuberance of the YaYs and Meebers will be annoying.
> Let's resolve now to snub all such kowtowing.  Even punishing becomes a kind
> of embarrassing reward.  Better, I think, to ignore it altogether.  Entering

You guys are so fucking FAKE COOL it makes me sick.

Ann

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At 07:18 PM 8/5/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
>
> > Yes, the pathetic exuberance of the YaYs and Meebers will be annoying.
> > Let's resolve now to snub all such kowtowing.  Even punishing becomes a
> kind
> > of embarrassing reward.  Better, I think, to ignore it
> altogether.  Entering
>
>You guys are so fucking FAKE COOL it makes me sick.
>

I wish the <real> giants would return.

Betty

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Betty:

>I wish the <real> giants would return.

Why all the pining? Set yourself up as a <real> giant.
who's to stop you?

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In a message dated 8/5/2003 8:23:25 PM, bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

>I wish the <real> giants would return.
>
>Betty
>
I've been away for a while because I crushed some bones, and landed into the
hospital. I'm home again, but cannot stand on my left leg, so I'm not in a
good shape yet. None of my family or *good* friends is willing to help out
either.
Looking at all the e-mail I missed during that period, I have to agree with
Betty alas. This used to be such an enjoyable feature, but I wonder where it
went to. Hopefully it'll return soon.
Theo

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At 02:40 AM 8/6/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>Betty:
>
>>I wish the <real> giants would return.
>
>Why all the pining? Set yourself up as a <real> giant.
>who's to stop you?

I was just trying to ridicule and not doing a very good job.

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On Tuesday, August 05, 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> As long as I'm posting, I uploaded a pano of SF from bridge to bridge that
> I took from above Perle's Beach on Angel Island:

These were cool, thank you.

Karen

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At 10:46 PM 8/5/2003 -0400, Theo Groothof wrote:
>I've been away for a while because I crushed some bones, and landed into the
>hospital. I'm home again, but cannot stand on my left leg, so I'm not in a
>good shape yet. None of my family or *good* friends is willing to help out
>either.

How did you break your leg?

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Ann Borkin writes,

>Do you know what I mean - do I really see a partial circle, or some kind
>of elipse-like thing, don't know the words . . .

Yeah, a circle viewed from an angle is an ellipse.

But if I'm visualizing my geometry correctly, rainbows are always circular,
or at least part of a circle, because they form directly anti-solar of
you.  They may be such a small part of the circle that they look sort of
flat, though:

http://www.rainbowmaker.us/frnaples.htm
http://www.rainbowmaker.us/frhague.htm

This guy makes fairly low, flat rainbows, because he shoots water up from a
fire truck or what have you, and the height of the spray doesn't let him
get good height.

Lucky for me, the sun was close to the horizon when the rainbows appeared,
so they got great height.

I think somewhere I've got a full circle rainbow I shot from an airliner,
but I couldn't find it on a quick scan through my pictures (and don't have
them filed with keywords, yet).

Pete

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> http://www.rainbowmaker.us/frnaples.htm
> http://www.rainbowmaker.us/frhague.htm
>
> This guy makes fairly low, flat rainbows, because he
> shoots water up from a
> fire truck or what have you, and the height of the
> spray doesn't let him
> get good height.
>
> Lucky for me, the sun was close to the horizon when
> the rainbows appeared,
> so they got great height.
>
> I think somewhere I've got a full circle rainbow I
> shot from an airliner,
> but I couldn't find it on a quick scan through my
> pictures (and don't have
> them filed with keywords, yet).
>
> Pete

These images are addictive.


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Betty:

> >>I wish the <real> giants would return.
> >
> >Why all the pining? Set yourself up as a <real> giant.
> >who's to stop you?
>
>I was just trying to ridicule and not doing a very good job.

D'oh. My ridicule detector completely let me down.

I'm mortified - I'm going to unsub from the list right away.

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02003-08-05 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 07:18 PM 8/5/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
> >On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, the pathetic exuberance of the YaYs and Meebers will be
> >> annoying. Let's resolve now to snub all such kowtowing.  Even
> >> punishing becomes a kind of embarrassing reward.  Better, I
> >> think, to ignore it altogether.  Entering
> >
> >You guys are so fucking FAKE COOL it makes me sick.
>
> I wish the <real> giants would return.

Ladies! Please. These exuberant YaYs are embarrassing ...

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02003-08-05 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >02003-08-05 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >
> >>I got them all wrong!  I worry about my imagination...
> >>
> >
> >#1, it was not an imagination test, dumbass. It was intelligence.
> >Strange concept to you, I know. My own score is irrelevant, but
> >you are a first-class moron and I worry about your LIFE.
>
>
>        Sniff.  Thank you, Pasha.

I'm sure you read my name in the header tens of times every week.
It's unforgivably rude to misspell it.

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Marty Rosen:

YaY!

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On Tuesday, Aug 5, 2003, at 23:35 Europe/London, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>> Points and closing costs are simply part of the deal.
>>
>>
>>        Not if you negotiate!  We just re-financed without points or
>> closing costs or fees or any sort.
>
> Congratulations! That's great. I cannot find anyone who will do a new
> mortgage without points and closing costs - unless one puts down at
> least
> 20% - which I cannot do. Equity counts!
>
It is difficult to avoid the fees but it can be done over here.

My point was that you are paying a high percentage rate compared to the
base rate.

I looked and found a fixed rate in the UK for 10 years at 4.78%. The
Bank
of England base (repo) rate is 3.5%. Bear in mind that very few people
here fix mortgages for 10 years. Fixing it for five years is a long time
and that figure is 4.19% Oh, there was one obvious fee of £199. The
shorter the fixed period, the lower the interest rate.

The US federal base rate is either 1 or 2% (I'm not sure which is the
equivalent of the BoE repo rate). Your mortgage is at 5.1%,
big difference isn't there. That difference is what you are paying the
bank (or the advisor) for the privilege of them lending you money.

Main difference is that here banks are trying to cut each other throats
to get the business, that is forcing the interest rates to the consumer
down. Changing the subject, it is possible to get credit cards with 0%
interest as the banks want the business.

These are no use in the US but to get some idea of UK rates.

http://www.nationwide.co.uk/mortgage/interest_rates/fixed_rate.asp
http://www.britannia.co.uk/c_mortgage/product/fixed/no_fees.html
http://www.abbeynational.co.uk/index/mortgage_home/mortgages_products/
our_latest_mortgage_offers_home.htm

Now are you sure you got a good deal ?  Really, no doubts ?

One last comment. Having pointed all that out, the figure that really
matters is the total amount payable (including any fees) over the
duration of the loan. That minus the loan value is what you are paying
for the loan. That number should be as small as possible, think of it
as the banks profit from you, because it is.

> Bethany
>
Roy

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Evelyn,
You win!  I only scored an embarassing 10 points.  I need to work on my
knowledge of sports and the bible :-(
Rita L.

Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

>Think you're smart? Forget MENSA - Go to:
>
>http://www.pressanykey.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/pak/jquiz.cgi
>
>and see how clever you really are!
>
>Bethany
>
>

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On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Roy Jaques wrote:

>My point was that you are paying a high percentage rate compared to the
>base rate.

Thanks for your additional comments. You are theoretically right,
of course - but since I live in Knoxville, base rates elsewhere are
completely irrelevant. What counts is what a lender will lend me here
and now.

I am not much concerned with these issues, so long as I can pay the
closing and pay my monthly bills. The day we close, I will have
locked in a 100% profit on the condo itself - it will on that very day
be worth at last twice what I paid for it.

I ran this past my attorney yesterday - he was incredibly impressed
with what I had negotiated.

Bethany

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I love the sig quote.  
 
The story is told that when word was received at Lambarene that Schweitzer had won the Nobel Peace Prize, Ali Siver went running down to where he was working to tell him. She called out "Docteur, I have wonderful news!"  He responded "Oh, the black cat finally had her kittens?"  and was visibly disappointed when the answer was "No, but you've won the Peace Prize."
 
 
BrP
 
btw - I agree on the test - an easy 12
 

>>> BrandyKitt@AOL.COM 08/05/03 07:45PM >>>

It's easy; I got all 12 right.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com 
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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02003-08-06 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> D'oh. My ridicule detector completely let me down.
>
> I'm mortified - I'm going to unsub from the list right away.

Maybe the giants will return now ...

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02003-08-05 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > Haggling on fees is really low, if you ask me ...
>
> Please.  "Haggle" is not a word we use.  Don't
> distract Ms. Dumas from her negotiations.

Are you distracted, Ms Dumas? Please answer honestly.

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        In the U.S., mortgage interest is deductable on your federal
taxes.

Roy Jaques wrote:

> On Tuesday, Aug 5, 2003, at 23:35 Europe/London, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>>> Points and closing costs are simply part of the deal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>        Not if you negotiate!  We just re-financed without points or
>>> closing costs or fees or any sort.
>>
>>
>> Congratulations! That's great. I cannot find anyone who will do a new
>> mortgage without points and closing costs - unless one puts down at
>> least
>> 20% - which I cannot do. Equity counts!
>>
> It is difficult to avoid the fees but it can be done over here.
>
> My point was that you are paying a high percentage rate compared to the
> base rate.
>
> I looked and found a fixed rate in the UK for 10 years at 4.78%. The
> Bank
> of England base (repo) rate is 3.5%. Bear in mind that very few people
> here fix mortgages for 10 years. Fixing it for five years is a long time
> and that figure is 4.19% Oh, there was one obvious fee of £199. The
> shorter the fixed period, the lower the interest rate.
>
> The US federal base rate is either 1 or 2% (I'm not sure which is the
> equivalent of the BoE repo rate). Your mortgage is at 5.1%,
> big difference isn't there. That difference is what you are paying the
> bank (or the advisor) for the privilege of them lending you money.
>
> Main difference is that here banks are trying to cut each other throats
> to get the business, that is forcing the interest rates to the consumer
> down. Changing the subject, it is possible to get credit cards with 0%
> interest as the banks want the business.
>
> These are no use in the US but to get some idea of UK rates.
>
> http://www.nationwide.co.uk/mortgage/interest_rates/fixed_rate.asp
> http://www.britannia.co.uk/c_mortgage/product/fixed/no_fees.html
> http://www.abbeynational.co.uk/index/mortgage_home/mortgages_products/
> our_latest_mortgage_offers_home.htm
>
> Now are you sure you got a good deal ?  Really, no doubts ?
>
> One last comment. Having pointed all that out, the figure that really
> matters is the total amount payable (including any fees) over the
> duration of the loan. That minus the loan value is what you are paying
> for the loan. That number should be as small as possible, think of it
> as the banks profit from you, because it is.
>
>> Bethany
>>
> Roy
>


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At 07:30 06.08.2003 -0500, you wrote:
>        In the U.S., mortgage interest is deductable on your federal
>taxes.

In Norway all interest (also for instance credit card interest) is
deductible - but from your income and not directly from your tax (which it
was some years ago). Interest earned on for instance a savings account is
of course added to your income before tax.

Espen

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At 10:32 01.08.2003 -0700, you wrote:
>skrev Espen,
>
>>Again I would be grateful. My "proof of concept" pages will not be much
>>more than three or four text files each with data equal to something like
>>10 KB of data.
>
>Note that Fotonotes and Netomat are both in open beta right now -- just
>sign up and you can use them, no charge.  Want to play with them first, and
>then I'll send them email, or should I just put you together right away?
>
>I'll send you a netomat email (which will be an email with a link to a
>small Java client) to see if it's easy to share.

Thank you very much for your help. I guess that what I really would like to
test is CritLink - which has disappeared as you said. Netomat is a little
too simple (or I haven't understood all the documentation), and I would
have liked to be able to encode directly in nml - then I coiuld generate
netomat pages automagically from my TEI/xml-data.

If you happen to be in contact with the author of CritLink, I would
appreciate it very much if the code is available anywhere. I see on the
webpage which still exists:

<http://annotations.xmlschemata.org/about.html>

that there should be an article from HyperText '98 somewhere, but I can not
find it in the proceedings at: http://www.lirmm.fr/ftp/ACMSIGWEB/HT98.html.
Do you know anything about this paper?

Espen

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--- Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> wrote:
>         In the U.S., mortgage interest is deductable
(SP.)
> on your federal
> taxes.


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rashmi Murthy" <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM>
> Betty:
>
> >I wish the <real> giants would return.
>
> Why all the pining? Set yourself up as a <real> giant.
> who's to stop you?

'With Alyce's red hat... better'n any "Checkers" speech.

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I'm glad that he was confirmed (or elected, or whatever the proper term is).
 
 
I found this quote on his website:
 
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Lynne, if you start correcting my spelling, I will pronounce
a curse on you that would curl Michael Jackson's hair.

Lynne Weber wrote:

> --- Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> wrote:
>
>>        In the U.S., mortgage interest is deductable
>>
> (SP.)
>
>>on your federal
>>taxes.
>>
>
>
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I don't care about his homosexuality, but I'm not very happy
about him being divorced.

Paul Barfoot wrote:

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> I'm glad that he was confirmed (or elected, or whatever the proper term is).
>
>
> I found this quote on his website:
>
>  It should not surprise us that there is conflict in the church. Peter and Paul fought like cats and dogs in the early Church, so why should we be any different? Ironically, they fought over the same thing we fight over today: who should be included in the Church and who should be excluded from it.
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At 09:00 06.08.2003 -0400, Paul Barfoot skrev:
>
>I'm glad that he was confirmed (or elected, or whatever the proper term is).
>
>
>I found this quote on his website:
>
>  It should not surprise us that there is conflict in the church. Peter
> and Paul fought like cats and dogs in the early Church, so why should we
> be any different? Ironically, they fought over the same thing we fight
> over today: who should be included in the Church and who should be
> excluded from it.

The Archbishop of Athens and the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople are
also fighting it out - over power. The Archbishop has earlier tried to
establish himself as some kind of primus inter pares in relation to the
head of the Russian autocephalus Orthodox church. Now the problem is that
the Orthodox bishops in Northwern Greece (and Crete for that matter) in
theory are organized under the Patriarch - this was done when these areas
were still under Ottoman rule. The Patriarch on his side has done a lot of
international travelling trying to build his image, and of course the
Archbishop claims that Turkey is behind the Patriarch. I am very happy now
that my subscription to Athens News works - great fun every Monday when it
arrives in the mail.

Espen

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Tell Tom Wheeler that he's probably my cousin.  Just found the bastardy
bond for my ggg-grandmother's lover -- i.e., for the birth of my
gg-grandfather.  I now know that my ggg-grandfather was RICHARD WHEELER.
It was worth the trip to Raleigh just for that nugget.

Am using this computer illegally, I think.  Broke through their
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In a message dated 8/6/2003 7:19:12 AM Central Daylight Time, 
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Maybe the giants will return now ...

>>

Dream on.  And why should we wait for the old giants to return;
the past is the past, and it's time to move on.

Evelyn Duncan
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In a message dated 8/6/2003 7:08:15 AM Central Daylight Time, 
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She called out "Docteur, I have wonderful news!"  He responded "Oh, the black 
cat finally had her kittens?"  and was visibly disappointed when the answer 
was "No, but you've won the Peace Prize."

>>

He knew what was important.

Evelyn Duncan
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Don't be silly; I own plenty of field guides, and I'd purchase an electronic
version.  Too lazy to cart all those pages around.
>
>Too cheap to purchase one?
>
>Betty

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My bus ride to work is very comfortable, because we're in more of a
Greyhound-like bus than a city bus.  We don't rattle around but there's
nobody to look at, either:  I sit in the back and all I see are the backs
of heads.  Some are bald, some have hair - that's the end of the visual
interest.

Even the ferry, where I sit, is a kind of private place.  I almost always
have a seat by the window, with nobody sitting next to me.

That must explain why nobody ever looks at me with interest, ever - even
though I'm prominently displaying my copy of the Tractatus or (on Fridays)
Silent Flows The Don.

Ann

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Marty Rosen writes,

>Too lazy to cart all those pages around.

There's a convenience thing, too.  I recently bought my first digital
_Analog Science Fiction and Fact_ and emailed it to my Treo.  (Bought it
from Fictionwise, and downloaded PDF as well as a couple of Palm formats,
so it will hopefully be readable into the future.)

It's been cool having the magazine on my phone so it's with me
incidentally, instead of having to carry around the physical magazine or
not have it when a few minutes' reading happens to be convenient.

Pete

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Nipper" <meeberphobia@hotmail.com>
> Hey, you should invite some of your bund friends to an ebookburning party!

I'll turn the entire issue over to my Mormon brother.  He understands; "...
there're a lot of very *sick* people out there."  He and his Orin Clan are
working on Hatching legislation...  so... get it while you can ;-P

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Well, I've got PMI out of the picture - and now I am sifting through
mortgage estimates from various vendors. We are now down close to my
initial expectations, though there are some state tax, title, and
recording charges that I did not know about - and that cannot legally be
negotiated away.

As you see, I am not distracted.

Bethany

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From: "Marty Rosen" <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
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> Why should I watch myself the next time I am on a train mildly hungover?
It
> will be far more satisfying to bend my eye toward the busy but literate
> ch()k across the aisle (better a busy ch{}k than one reading a book
written
> for an idiot).
>
Damn, Tushar and Marty together again. Things should get interesting.


alec

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02003-08-06 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Wednesday, August 06, 2003, Alec wrote:
> > Damn, Tushar and Marty together again. Things should get interesting.
>
> Not.

You forget that Alec is here too ... he was too modest to say it
himself.

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02003-08-06 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> --- Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> wrote:
> > Lynne, if you start correcting my spelling, I will
> > pronounce
> > a curse on you that would curl Michael Jackson's
> > hair.
>
>
> Too late.

Then how is Michael Jackson's hair straight?

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> 02003-08-06 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > On Wednesday, August 06, 2003, Alec wrote:
> > > Damn, Tushar and Marty together again. Things should get interesting.
> >
> > Not.
>
> You forget that Alec is here too ... he was too modest to say it
> himself.
>

Thanks, my swarmy brother.

peace out,


alec

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I don't know what "too" means here.  Convenience is the main, rather than a
secondary, point.  I've grown addicted to my AvantGo subscriptions: BBC,
Guardian, Times of London, Washington Post, NY Times, and a half dozen
others that I can carry with me everywhere I go.  If I could carry field
guides as well, I'd be a happy wanderer in the pastures.

>There's a convenience thing, too.  I recently bought my first digital
>_Analog Science Fiction and Fact_ and emailed it to my Treo.  (Bought it
>from Fictionwise, and downloaded PDF as well as a couple of Palm formats,
>so it will hopefully be readable into the future.)
>
>It's been cool having the magazine on my phone so it's with me
>incidentally, instead of having to carry around the physical magazine or
>not have it when a few minutes' reading happens to be convenient.
>
>Pete

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Ann:
>First, I will look up "tangent."]

Think of a right triangle.  The tangent
of an angle is just the length of the
opposite side divided by the length of
the adjacent side.

   tangent = opposite / adjacent

If you know how far away the rainbow is,
that's the length of the adjacent side.

Since you know the angle will always be
42.333 degrees, you can look it up or
use your calculator.

Now that you know two of the three quantities,
you can solve for the third (the length of the
opposite side).

That'll be the rainbow's height, the value you
were looking for in yesterday's post.



P.S. A double rainbow's angle is 52.25 degrees.

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On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> If I saw a hott lady with a "Tractatus" would I "look at her with
> interest"? I'd die before doing that.
>
> You are pretty STUPID, Dr Borkin ...

Oh.  Well, what -would- you do?  (Oh, we know, you'd tell words-l; Unca
Marty, what would -you- do?)

Ann

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Subject: Wednesday Night Words-L Poker
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 14:50:00 -0400
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I assume that at least a few subscribers play poker.  Whether you do or not,
I invite you to meet me tonight at www.paradisepoker.com for an evening of
poker and chat from 9 p.m till midnight eastern time.

The stakes, of course, will be play money, and the game, I suggest, will be
Hold'em (sorry, there are no dealer's choice tables at paradise).

If you wish to play, you'll need to download the Paradise software, which
takes about 10 minutes at 56 K (with high speed access, it'll take no time
at all), and you'll need to set up a userid, which is a two minute process
at most.

During the registration process, you'll be asked for an email address.
Though Paradise pledges never to sell your personal information to anyone,
only a simpleton would have much faith in the promises of an online casino.
I suggest, therefore, that before registering you set up a bogus hotmail or
yahoo account to receive all the get-rich-quick spam that will certainly
come your way once word gets out that you have ever played cards online.

Once you're registered, Paradise will start you out with $1000 in play
money, which you can replenish instantly if you lose it all (that will be
difficult to do, in three hours at a $3/6 game, but it's possible).

To play, after downloading the software and registering, go to the site,
select the Hold'em link, and browse down the play money tables, which are
identified by number.  As you browse down, you can see the userids of the
various players.

We'll find an open table (or elbow our way one by one into a table that's
occupied by strangers), and have at it.  Paradise has a chat function which
allows players (and those on the table's "waiting list") to participate in
interactive chat.  Paradise comps virtual food and drink, but I've never
found their offerings very satisfying, so bring your own chips and beer.
And you might as well bring our own Barry Manilow tapes to have the full
casino experience.

In the unlikely event we have more than 10 players (the max at a table), we
can break into 2 groups, or we can simply fill up the waiting list and
alternate in and out of the game.

A bit before 9, I'll be logged into this <service> and to the paradise
website to help folks find their way to a common table or tables.  I hope to
see you there.

If you're browsing the tables and can't find the words-l table, my paradise
userid will be Meeber.

If you know nothing about poker, want to play, and actually care about the
prospect of losing play money, you can find ample information about the
mechanics and strategy of hold'em poker on the web.

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If I saw a hott lady carrying a Tractatus, I would fondle her with nested
propositions, then I would whisper softly in her ear, "What we cannot speak
of, we must pass over in silence."

>
>Oh.  Well, what -would- you do?  (Oh, we know, you'd tell words-l; Unca
>Marty, what would -you- do?)
>
>Ann

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> If I saw a hott lady carrying a Tractatus, I would fondle her with nested
> propositions, then I would whisper softly in her ear, "What we cannot speak
> of, we must pass over in silence."


Oh well in THAT case, then YaaaaaaaY !

Ann

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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Thanks, Richard, and thanks, Evelyn.

I have to work on this on the ferry.

But:  which is the adjacent side?  Aren't both lines that make up the
right angle both adjacent to the opposite side?

Ann
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, lisping
cockatiel wrote:

> Ann:
> >First, I will look up "tangent."]
>
> Think of a right triangle.  The tangent
> of an angle is just the length of the
> opposite side divided by the length of
> the adjacent side.
>
>    tangent = opposite / adjacent
>
> If you know how far away the rainbow is,
> that's the length of the adjacent side.
>
> Since you know the angle will always be
> 42.333 degrees, you can look it up or
> use your calculator.
>
> Now that you know two of the three quantities,
> you can solve for the third (the length of the
> opposite side).
>
> That'll be the rainbow's height, the value you
> were looking for in yesterday's post.
>
>
>
> P.S. A double rainbow's angle is 52.25 degrees.
>

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In a message dated 8/6/2003 12:40:29 PM Central Daylight Time, 
scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
<<
Then how is Michael Jackson's hair straight?

>>

That's not the real Michael Jackson; that's an alien approximation.
The real MJ was kidnapped sometime after Thriller came out.

Evelyn Duncan
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> > > Lynne, if you start correcting my spelling, I
> will
> > > pronounce
> > > a curse on you that would curl Michael Jackson's
> > > hair.
> >
> >
> > Too late.
>
> Then how is Michael Jackson's hair straight?

Michael's hair is none of my concern, curled or
otherwise.  Let him worry about Rita's curses.  I have
other fish to broil.


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--- Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> I don't know what "too" means here.  Convenience is
> the main, rather than a
> secondary, point.  I've grown addicted to my AvantGo
> subscriptions: BBC,
> Guardian, Times of London, Washington Post, NY
> Times, and a half dozen
> others that I can carry with me everywhere I go.  If
> I could carry field
> guides as well, I'd be a happy wanderer in the
> pastures.

Don't you feel yourself canting rather to the left as
you wander?

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Lynne Weber wrote:

>>>>Lynne, if you start correcting my spelling, I
>>>>
>>will
>>
>>>>pronounce
>>>>a curse on you that would curl Michael Jackson's
>>>>hair.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Too late.
>>>
>>Then how is Michael Jackson's hair straight?
>>
>
> Michael's hair is none of my concern, curled or
> otherwise.  Let him worry about Rita's curses.  I have
> other fish to broil.


        Lynne has trouble recognizing conditional verb forms.



--
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--- Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> If I saw a hott lady carrying a Tractatus, I would
> fondle her with nested
> propositions, then I would whisper softly in her
> ear, "What we cannot speak
> of, we must pass over in silence."
>

You wouldn't plagiarize from Amaru, would you?

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lisping cockatiel writes,

>42.333 degrees, you can look it up or
>P.S. A double rainbow's angle is 52.25 degrees.

Too many sig figs triggers my "gotta look it up" impulse.

The primary rainbow spans roughly 40.51 to 42.38 degrees, and the secondary
rainbow spans roughly 50.34 to 53.73 degrees (assuming red at 400nm and
violet at 700nm).

I'm using the table at <http://www.willemin.li/atmos.html> for the angles.

Pete

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Was it here that someone asked about this recently?
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--- Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> Well, I would, of course, I were able.  Since I'm
> unfamiliar with Amaru, I
> can't.  You are what you allude, and in this case,
> I'm stealing very
> directly from a much more obvious source.
>
> Are you as dull as you seem, or are you simply an
> intellectual chamelion
> hiding among the mediocrities?

Quite dull, not cute, and laboring under a Ritarian
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Yes, those Rotary lunches can get pretty tedious.


>From: Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
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>
>--- Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
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> >
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Ann Borkin:
= Thanks, Richard, and thanks, Evelyn.
=
= I have to work on this on the ferry.
=
= But:  which is the adjacent side?  Aren't both lines that make up the
= right angle both adjacent to the opposite side?
=

You have a right triangle.  And you have an angle that you know
is 42.333 degrees.  The side opposite is the side opposite of the
angle.




          *
 side     *    *
 opposite *        *
          *            *
          *                *    angle
          *********************

           side adjacent


Your homework:
Ann stands at the angle looking at the rainbow.  She sees the
rainbow above houses one mile away.  How many feet high is the
rainbow?


Bonus:
Ann sees a double rainbow!  How high is it in meters?


been there, done that, and too lazy to do it anymore.  it's hot
and it's bedtime.

nighty night


= Ann
= On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, lisping
= cockatiel wrote:
=
= > Ann:
= > >First, I will look up "tangent."]
= >
= > Think of a right triangle.  The tangent
= > of an angle is just the length of the
= > opposite side divided by the length of
= > the adjacent side.
= >
= >    tangent = opposite / adjacent
= >
= > If you know how far away the rainbow is,
= > that's the length of the adjacent side.
= >
= > Since you know the angle will always be
= > 42.333 degrees, you can look it up or
= > use your calculator.
= >
= > Now that you know two of the three quantities,
= > you can solve for the third (the length of the
= > opposite side).
= >
= > That'll be the rainbow's height, the value you
= > were looking for in yesterday's post.
= >
= >
= >
= > P.S. A double rainbow's angle is 52.25 degrees.
= >

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Ann:
>Aren't both lines that make up the right
>angle both adjacent to the opposite side?

Sorry, didn't make that clear.

The meaning of "opposite" and "adjacent"
change depending on which of the acute
angles you're interested in.

The diagonal side is always the "hypotenuse".

steph's diagram and explanation are better
than mine.  That picture-drawing habit of
hers she mentioned in the lined/unlined/graph
paper discussion is the right (hah!) stuff.

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Pete:
> Too many sig figs triggers my "gotta look it up" impulse.

math.weenies r00l.

>(assuming red at 400nm and violet at 700nm).

Well, that goes without saying in civilized
society.

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On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Tell Tom Wheeler that he's probably my cousin.  Just found the bastardy
>bond for my ggg-grandmother's lover -- i.e., for the birth of my
>gg-grandfather.  I now know that my ggg-grandfather was RICHARD WHEELER.
>It was worth the trip to Raleigh just for that nugget.

I have delivered the message.

Bethany

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Marty Rosen wrote:

> Hey, you should invite some of your bund friends to an ebookburning party!

    Some things never change.

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--- Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> wrote:
> Lynne, if you start correcting my spelling, I will
> pronounce
> a curse on you that would curl Michael Jackson's
> hair.


Too late.

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> As you see, I am not distracted.
>
> Bethany

Excellent.  A mere "haggle" here and there can be
borne, under the circumstances.

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On Wednesday, August 06, 2003, Alec wrote:
> Damn, Tushar and Marty together again. Things should get interesting.

Not.

Karen

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02003-08-06 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> My bus ride to work is very comfortable, because we're in more of a
> Greyhound-like bus than a city bus.  We don't rattle around but there's
> nobody to look at, either:  I sit in the back and all I see are the backs
> of heads.  Some are bald, some have hair - that's the end of the visual
> interest.
>
> Even the ferry, where I sit, is a kind of private place.  I almost always
> have a seat by the window, with nobody sitting next to me.
>
> That must explain why nobody ever looks at me with interest, ever - even
> though I'm prominently displaying my copy of the Tractatus or (on Fridays)
> Silent Flows The Don.

That is far from the explanation.

If I saw a hott lady with a "Tractatus" would I "look at her with
interest"? I'd die before doing that.

You are pretty STUPID, Dr Borkin ...

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Well, I would, of course, I were able.  Since I'm unfamiliar with Amaru, I
can't.  You are what you allude, and in this case, I'm stealing very
directly from a much more obvious source.

Are you as dull as you seem, or are you simply an intellectual chamelion
hiding among the mediocrities?



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>
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lisping cockatiel:
= Ann:
= >Aren't both lines that make up the right
= >angle both adjacent to the opposite side?
=
= Sorry, didn't make that clear.
=
= The meaning of "opposite" and "adjacent"
= change depending on which of the acute
= angles you're interested in.
=
= The diagonal side is always the "hypotenuse".
=
= steph's diagram and explanation are better
= than mine.  That picture-drawing habit of
= hers she mentioned in the lined/unlined/graph
= paper discussion is the right (hah!) stuff.

I went to bed but I got back up because we are having a freak
rainstorm (man, is that weird to say in .nl) after days and days
of 30 degree weather (and that is also weird to say in .nl) and
all the windows and doors were open and the cushions were on the
furniture on the roof and I ran upstairs to pull them in and shut
the roof door.

Anyway, I was thinking about this in bed, and I forgot to give
Ann the helper to her word problem.  It is thus:

Given what you know about triangles already, if the rainbow is a
mile away, is it greater or less than a mile high?  Compare your
rainbow triangle with a right isosceles triangle.

Now I want to know, does Ann have to look up isosceles or has her
Latin training been good enough that she can suss this one out?

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lisping cockatiel writes,

> >(assuming red at 400nm and violet at 700nm).
>
>Well, that goes without saying in civilized society.

Sez you -- I had to look it up. :)

Pete

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This is a cooking question--I bought some onions advertised as 'sweet
onions'. The label on them says 'sweet 1015s'. Are 1015s usually
sweet?

Karen

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If they are, they haven't yet connected with me.


>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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>This is a cooking question--I bought some onions advertised as 'sweet
>onions'. The label on them says 'sweet 1015s'. Are 1015s usually
>sweet?
>
>Karen

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On Wednesday, August 06, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> If they are, they haven't yet connected with me.

Tell me, Marty. Do onions often connect with you?:)

>>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>>This is a cooking question--I bought some onions advertised as 'sweet
>>onions'. The label on them says 'sweet 1015s'. Are 1015s usually
>>sweet?
>>
>>Karen

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You may have heard of a service called the world wide web.  It has things
called "search engines."  You could use one to find more information than
you can imagine about 1015 onions.....


>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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>On Wednesday, August 06, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
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>
>Tell me, Marty. Do onions often connect with you?:)
>
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> >>This is a cooking question--I bought some onions advertised as 'sweet
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> >>sweet?
> >>
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--- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> This is a cooking question--I bought some onions
> advertised as 'sweet
> onions'. The label on them says 'sweet 1015s'. Are
> 1015s usually
> sweet?
>
> Karen

Never heard of 1015s.  I know of Vidalia (GA), Texas,
and California.  Are you going to cook with them?  Let
us know if they are sweet, please.


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I'm looking for you, but not having any luck.

Marty Rosen wrote:

> If they are, they haven't yet connected with me.
>
>
>> From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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>> onions'. The label on them says 'sweet 1015s'. Are 1015s usually
>> sweet?
>>
>> Karen
>
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> This is a cooking question--I bought some onions advertised as 'sweet
> onions'. The label on them says 'sweet 1015s'. Are 1015s usually
> sweet?

AFAIK, yes, they're usually sweet.

As for poker, I have no idea. I appreciate Marty's offer but I'm way too
wiped to play.

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ah, there are many tables.  I'm going to table 90.  get on the waiting list
there, or joing the table, and we'll navigate to a table together.


>From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
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>I'm looking for you, but not having any luck.
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>>If they are, they haven't yet connected with me.
>>
>>
>>>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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>>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>>>sweet?
>>>
>>>Karen
>>
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Another time, Adam.  If it catches on, we can do it every week or so.  I'm
going to table 90 for the moment, and will wait there for a bit.

>From: Adam Hartfield <adamh1@COMCAST.NET>
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>
> > This is a cooking question--I bought some onions advertised as 'sweet
> > onions'. The label on them says 'sweet 1015s'. Are 1015s usually
> > sweet?
>
>AFAIK, yes, they're usually sweet.
>
>As for poker, I have no idea. I appreciate Marty's offer but I'm way too
>wiped to play.
>
>--Adam
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--- Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> Another time, Adam.  If it catches on, we can do it
> every week or so.  I'm
> going to table 90 for the moment, and will wait
> there for a bit.

Perhaps it would help if you gave abbreviated
directions once more.




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Did the police dept. ever send you the paperwork you
needed re: the phone call you traced?

Did you ever find your glasses?

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Czarina is here.

>From: Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Wednesday Night Words-L Poker
>Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:50:00 -0400
>
>I assume that at least a few subscribers play poker.  Whether you do or
>not,
>I invite you to meet me tonight at www.paradisepoker.com for an evening of
>poker and chat from 9 p.m till midnight eastern time.
>
>The stakes, of course, will be play money, and the game, I suggest, will be
>Hold'em (sorry, there are no dealer's choice tables at paradise).
>
>If you wish to play, you'll need to download the Paradise software, which
>takes about 10 minutes at 56 K (with high speed access, it'll take no time
>at all), and you'll need to set up a userid, which is a two minute process
>at most.
>
>During the registration process, you'll be asked for an email address.
>Though Paradise pledges never to sell your personal information to anyone,
>only a simpleton would have much faith in the promises of an online casino.
>I suggest, therefore, that before registering you set up a bogus hotmail or
>yahoo account to receive all the get-rich-quick spam that will certainly
>come your way once word gets out that you have ever played cards online.
>
>Once you're registered, Paradise will start you out with $1000 in play
>money, which you can replenish instantly if you lose it all (that will be
>difficult to do, in three hours at a $3/6 game, but it's possible).
>
>To play, after downloading the software and registering, go to the site,
>select the Hold'em link, and browse down the play money tables, which are
>identified by number.  As you browse down, you can see the userids of the
>various players.
>
>We'll find an open table (or elbow our way one by one into a table that's
>occupied by strangers), and have at it.  Paradise has a chat function which
>allows players (and those on the table's "waiting list") to participate in
>interactive chat.  Paradise comps virtual food and drink, but I've never
>found their offerings very satisfying, so bring your own chips and beer.
>And you might as well bring our own Barry Manilow tapes to have the full
>casino experience.
>
>In the unlikely event we have more than 10 players (the max at a table), we
>can break into 2 groups, or we can simply fill up the waiting list and
>alternate in and out of the game.
>
>A bit before 9, I'll be logged into this <service> and to the paradise
>website to help folks find their way to a common table or tables.  I hope
>to
>see you there.
>
>If you're browsing the tables and can't find the words-l table, my paradise
>userid will be Meeber.
>
>If you know nothing about poker, want to play, and actually care about the
>prospect of losing play money, you can find ample information about the
>mechanics and strategy of hold'em poker on the web.
>
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This is moving eve, is it not?  When you move, how
will all the ch*cks find you, let alone the meebers
who care to visit you?

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In a message dated 8/6/2003 8:32:37 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Did the police dept. ever send you the paperwork you
needed re: the phone call you traced?

Did you ever find your glasses?

>>

No to both.  I'll have to take the glasses that got broken in the
theft to get them fixed.  I don't know where the lost pair went.

I'm going to call the police again in the morning.  I'm also
thinking of posting the numbers in the newspaper; letting 
those people know that they're wanted for questioning.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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>
> No to both.  I'll have to take the glasses that got
> broken in the
> theft to get them fixed.  I don't know where the
> lost pair went.
>
> I'm going to call the police again in the morning.
> I'm also
> thinking of posting the numbers in the newspaper;
> letting
> those people know that they're wanted for
> questioning.
>
> Evelyn Duncan

That would serve two purposes - letting them know, and
letting you get it off your chest.

BTW, you are quite right about Dr. Schweitzer, IMO.
But then, he never met Daisy.
> brandykitt@aol.com
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> life:  music and cats."
> --Albert Schweitzer


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On 6 Aug 2003 at 20:04, Karen Kay wrote:

> This is a cooking question--I bought some onions advertised as 'sweet
> onions'. The label on them says 'sweet 1015s'. Are 1015s usually sweet?

Why not do some empirical research and decide for yourself?

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gotta get some more beggin strips tomorrow.

i had to tell daisy tonight that we do not bark at family
members.  she's been barking at sweetie; sweetie then
takes a swipe at daisy.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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life:  music and cats."
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In a message dated 8/6/2003 8:43:43 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
That would serve two purposes - letting them know, and
letting you get it off your chest.

>>

Yeah, if the police aren't interested in following through,
I am.

Like to know where those glasses went.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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At 06:29 PM 8/6/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
>--- Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> > Another time, Adam.  If it catches on, we can do it
> > every week or so.  I'm
> > going to table 90 for the moment, and will wait
> > there for a bit.
>
>Perhaps it would help if you gave abbreviated
>directions once more.

Looking for table 90. . . . .

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in I'm not sure you even need to join the waiting list.  You may be able to
chat simply by highlighting the table number and clicking the "go to table"
button.


>From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
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>
>At 06:29 PM 8/6/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
>>--- Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>> > Another time, Adam.  If it catches on, we can do it
>> > every week or so.  I'm
>> > going to table 90 for the moment, and will wait
>> > there for a bit.
>>
>>Perhaps it would help if you gave abbreviated
>>directions once more.
>
>Looking for table 90. . . . .

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On Wednesday, August 06, 2003, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
> On 6 Aug 2003 at 20:04, Karen Kay wrote:
>> This is a cooking question--I bought some onions advertised as 'sweet
>> onions'. The label on them says 'sweet 1015s'. Are 1015s usually sweet?

> Why not do some empirical research and decide for yourself?

Because I don't have any unmarked 1015s. Duh.

Karen

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First, select the holdem area, from the menu on the left side of the screen,
then scroll down to it.

join the waiting list and you can chat.



>From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
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>
>At 06:29 PM 8/6/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
>>--- Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>> > Another time, Adam.  If it catches on, we can do it
>> > every week or so.  I'm
>> > going to table 90 for the moment, and will wait
>> > there for a bit.
>>
>>Perhaps it would help if you gave abbreviated
>>directions once more.
>
>Looking for table 90. . . . .

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On Wednesday, August 06, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> Never heard of 1015s.  I know of Vidalia (GA), Texas,
> and California.  Are you going to cook with them?  Let
> us know if they are sweet, please.

The sweet 1015s were indeed sweet. This is what I made:
http://home.earthlink.net/~jasonmphoto/recipeChickentaginewithlemonandolives.html


Karen

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On Wednesday, August 06, 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> This is a cooking question--I bought some onions advertised as 'sweet
>> onions'. The label on them says 'sweet 1015s'. Are 1015s usually
>> sweet?

> AFAIK, yes, they're usually sweet.

Thank you.

Karen

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--- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 06, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > OK that's one frustration.  The other one is
> figuring out this goddamned
> > story problem with the geeks.
>
> ?
>
> Karen

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In a message dated 8/6/2003 3:47:14 PM, stevie@MULTINIX.COM writes:

>
>I went to bed but I got back up because we are having a freak
>rainstorm (man, is that weird to say in .nl) after days and days
>of 30 degree weather (and that is also weird to say in .nl) and
>all the windows and doors were open and the cushions were on the
>furniture on the roof and I ran upstairs to pull them in and shut
>the roof door.
>
I know exactly what you meant. I heard today that it's been unusually warm in
Europe too. Something like a 108F in London?
It must be torture with the high humidity too.
Theo

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> I know exactly what you meant. I heard today that
> it's been unusually warm in
> Europe too. Something like a 108F in London?
> It must be torture with the high humidity too.
> Theo

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Tushar threatens:

> > D'oh. My ridicule detector completely let me down.
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>Maybe the giants will return now ...

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In a message dated 8/6/2003 10:01:00 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
How old is your nephew?  Get him to help you look.

>>

He's 11; he's going to have to help look; I'm not going
to let him watch TV until he helps.

I used to keep important information in my purse.  It
made it handy to keep everything in one place, but
I'm not going to do that anymore.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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life:  music and cats."
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At 07:53 PM 8/6/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>I don't care either, which poker game I can play.
>
>I would have about an hour to play in any case - 10 - 11 EST.
>
>Here's hoping -
>
>If we get a regular game started, though, I want us to have pictures,
>like the seedy group they offered me on the Mac!  Bad Betty and the
>Czarina, they're good poker names.  I choose Anna Borinki for my poker
>name.  Do you stick with Marty Rosen, or what?

Meeber

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Dim Sum was at our table.

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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I can't even activate the poker software.  I am using IE on a Mac and
although I've downloaded the software twice, when I click on the icon it
tells me that Quicktime doesn't recognize the file so forget it.

Then some shit pops up that shows me pictures of potential fellow players
of poker on some OTHER goddamned software and wouldn't I like to play
seven card stud.

Well as a matter of fact I think I remember that 7 card stud is probably
more fun than whatever goddamned Texas thing we have to play with Marty;
however I'm in it for the chat, you know, and I don't happen to want to
chat with the porn queens and felons they offered me on this popup.

I do wish we could play real poker, I've been dying for decades to play
real poker.  We used to have weekly games in Ann Arbor in the middle of
the last century.

OK that's one frustration.  The other one is figuring out this goddamned
story problem with the geeks.  More on that later.

Ann

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On Wednesday, August 06, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> OK that's one frustration.  The other one is figuring out this goddamned
> story problem with the geeks.

?

Karen

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--- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 06, 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> >> This is a cooking question--I bought some onions
> advertised as 'sweet
> >> onions'. The label on them says 'sweet 1015s'.
> Are 1015s usually
> >> sweet?
>
> > AFAIK, yes, they're usually sweet.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Karen

I have trouble getting saffron, and it's hugely
expensive.


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> Yeah, if the police aren't interested in following
> through,
> I am.

Just speaking from experience with our dept., when
they do catch them, they'll find the crooks have done
the same sort of crime many times over, and they'll
get sent away for quite a while (the crooks, that is).
>
> Like to know where those glasses went.

So would I

I have to believe Sweetie and Daisy will settle down
soon.  They can't keep this up forever.  I have a
mental picture of your explaining the rules of
etiquette to Daisy.  That's my imagination T.S.
worries about.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> life:  music and cats."
> --Albert Schweitzer


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This well and truly sucks.  I don't know whether this software runs on a
mac.  That said, however, there is another poker site that I know does run
on a mac.  I don't know whether they run stud, but i don't really care what
game we play.  Stud is available on paradise.  I'll see what I can find out
about accessing paradise on a mac.  If it;s not possible, next time we'll
switch to pokerroom.com.  If you like, I can try to persuad czarina and bad
betty to move tonight?



>From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Goddamn.
>Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:29:04 -0700
>
>I can't even activate the poker software.  I am using IE on a Mac and
>although I've downloaded the software twice, when I click on the icon it
>tells me that Quicktime doesn't recognize the file so forget it.
>
>Then some shit pops up that shows me pictures of potential fellow players
>of poker on some OTHER goddamned software and wouldn't I like to play
>seven card stud.
>
>Well as a matter of fact I think I remember that 7 card stud is probably
>more fun than whatever goddamned Texas thing we have to play with Marty;
>however I'm in it for the chat, you know, and I don't happen to want to
>chat with the porn queens and felons they offered me on this popup.
>
>I do wish we could play real poker, I've been dying for decades to play
>real poker.  We used to have weekly games in Ann Arbor in the middle of
>the last century.
>
>OK that's one frustration.  The other one is figuring out this goddamned
>story problem with the geeks.  More on that later.
>
>Ann

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In a message dated 8/6/2003 8:40:27 PM, lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:

>Are you on the mend?
>
I wish. I broke my femur, and it hurts like hell. But thanks for thinking of
me.
Theo

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In a message dated 8/6/2003 9:38:31 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
>Like to know where those glasses went.

So would I

>>

And now I can't find my insurance card.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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In a message dated 8/6/2003 9:38:31 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
I have to believe Sweetie and Daisy will settle down
soon.  They can't keep this up forever.  I have a
mental picture of your explaining the rules of
etiquette to Daisy.  That's my imagination T.S.
worries about.

>>

Puppy classes start at Southern Agriculture on 
September 1st.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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OK.  I think I have figured out that "tangent" means "degree of an angle".

That took me the ferry portion of my commute to figure out.

Then, with effort during the (shorter) bus part of my commute, I figured
out/ remembered  that X = B/C is equivalent to X x B = C .

OK so if X is the "side opposite", whose length I am trying to figure out,
and B is "side adjacent," which is one mile, and if the tangent is C,
which is 42.333,

AND if the formula for figuring out the side opposite (X)  is X = A / B ,
then 42.333 = A / one mile .  And that's equivalent to X x one mile =
42.333 .

I DON'T GET IT!  How can you multiply degrees against miles?  Would it
help to convert miles to feet?  but how can you multiply degrees against
feet?  Anyway, I am hopelessly confused.

I DO NOT WANT ANY MORE ONLINE HELP.  I will wait for Tushar to get moved
in.  Tushar is a genius who knows how to explain things to simpletons.

Ann

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On Sunday, August 03, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>I just put a bunch of cumin in a muffin batter, and it should have been
>cardamon.

Why are you doing this? I thought Allan was the designated cook
in the household.

Cumin and cardamom are completely different smells, textures
etc for me. Don't mean to sound smarmy but I can't imagine using
one for the other.

>I have added a whole bunch of ground ginger and cinnamon, and anise
>liquor.  More than usual.  These are spice muffins.

I missed the end of the thread - how did the muffins turn out? Were
they edible?

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> And now I can't find my insurance card.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> life:  music and cats."
> --Albert Schweitzer

Do you have a copy of it anywhere, or at least the
contract, whatever, number?


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> I wish. I broke my femur, and it hurts like hell.
> But thanks for thinking of
> me.
> Theo

Can you get around?  You mentioned no one was willing
to help.  What about groceries and cooking - most
important of all, what about cigarettes?


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> Puppy classes start at Southern Agriculture on
> September 1st.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> life:  music and cats."
> --Albert Schweitzer

Best money you will ever spend.


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Whew!  I need to read more about Texas Hold 'em

At 09:55 PM 8/6/2003 -0400, Marty Rosen wrote:
>in I'm not sure you even need to join the waiting list.  You may be able to
>chat simply by highlighting the table number and clicking the "go to table"
>button.
>
>
>>From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
>>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: Re: table 90
>>Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:42:11 -0700
>>
>>At 06:29 PM 8/6/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
>>>--- Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>> > Another time, Adam.  If it catches on, we can do it
>>> > every week or so.  I'm
>>> > going to table 90 for the moment, and will wait
>>> > there for a bit.
>>>
>>>Perhaps it would help if you gave abbreviated
>>>directions once more.
>>
>>Looking for table 90. . . . .
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I don't care either, which poker game I can play.

I would have about an hour to play in any case - 10 - 11 EST.

Here's hoping -

If we get a regular game started, though, I want us to have pictures,
like the seedy group they offered me on the Mac!  Bad Betty and the
Czarina, they're good poker names.  I choose Anna Borinki for my poker
name.  Do you stick with Marty Rosen, or what?

Ann

On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Marty
Rosen wrote:

> This well and truly sucks.  I don't know whether this software runs on a
> mac.  That said, however, there is another poker site that I know does run
> on a mac.  I don't know whether they run stud, but i don't really care what
> game we play.  Stud is available on paradise.  I'll see what I can find out
> about accessing paradise on a mac.  If it;s not possible, next time we'll
> switch to pokerroom.com.  If you like, I can try to persuad czarina and bad
> betty to move tonight?
>
>
>
> >From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET>
> >Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >Subject: Goddamn.
> >Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:29:04 -0700
> >
> >I can't even activate the poker software.  I am using IE on a Mac and
> >although I've downloaded the software twice, when I click on the icon it
> >tells me that Quicktime doesn't recognize the file so forget it.
> >
> >Then some shit pops up that shows me pictures of potential fellow players
> >of poker on some OTHER goddamned software and wouldn't I like to play
> >seven card stud.
> >
> >Well as a matter of fact I think I remember that 7 card stud is probably
> >more fun than whatever goddamned Texas thing we have to play with Marty;
> >however I'm in it for the chat, you know, and I don't happen to want to
> >chat with the porn queens and felons they offered me on this popup.
> >
> >I do wish we could play real poker, I've been dying for decades to play
> >real poker.  We used to have weekly games in Ann Arbor in the middle of
> >the last century.
> >
> >OK that's one frustration.  The other one is figuring out this goddamned
> >story problem with the geeks.  More on that later.
> >
> >Ann
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In a message dated 8/6/2003 9:51:27 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Do you have a copy of it anywhere, or at least the
contract, whatever, number?

>>

I can get another one through Reasor's.  It's my social security number.
I wish we weren't taking care of my nephew tomorrow; it would make it
easier to go through everything to see if I can find my glasses and the
card.

Evelyn Duncan
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life:  music and cats."
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In a message dated 8/6/2003 9:52:14 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
>Puppy classes start at Southern Agriculture on
>September 1st.


Best money you will ever spend.

>>

Yes.  I'm still not used to dogs; I've had cats for 30 years
now, and I think cats pretty much train themselves.  Just
show a kitten the litter box, scratch her front paws in it a
couple of times, and she'll use it for its intended purpose.

Evelyn Duncan
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>OK.  I think I have figured out that "tangent" means "degree of an angle".

No, no, no. Tangent is the ratio of lengths. The degree or angle is
the argument. It's tangent of the angle - 42.5 or whatever Richard
said it was.

>I DO NOT WANT ANY MORE ONLINE HELP.

Ooops. Didn't see this.

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> Yes.  I'm still not used to dogs; I've had cats for
> 30 years
> now, and I think cats pretty much train themselves.
> Just
> show a kitten the litter box, scratch her front paws
> in it a
> couple of times, and she'll use it for its intended
> purpose.

That would not work with any puppy I have ever known.
Of course, cats are innately fastidious, one of their
more endearing qualities.  I've had several cats, but
many more dogs, and it does take patience, and often I
have never succeeded as I would have wished.

How old is your nephew?  Get him to help you look.

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Well, I was meeber tonight.  We're just now breaking up, but it was fun.

Next week, I suggest we try www.pokerroom.com.  It's mac-friendly, and still
has a chat function, though i don't think it's quite as sophisticated as
paradise.

I'll post details.  Will Wednesdays be good, or would people prefer a
different night of the week, I wonder?

Anna Borinki is an excellent name!



>From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Goddamn.
>Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:53:28 -0700
>
>I don't care either, which poker game I can play.
>
>I would have about an hour to play in any case - 10 - 11 EST.
>
>Here's hoping -
>
>If we get a regular game started, though, I want us to have pictures,
>like the seedy group they offered me on the Mac!  Bad Betty and the
>Czarina, they're good poker names.  I choose Anna Borinki for my poker
>name.  Do you stick with Marty Rosen, or what?
>
>Ann
>
>On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Marty
>Rosen wrote:
>
> > This well and truly sucks.  I don't know whether this software runs on a
> > mac.  That said, however, there is another poker site that I know does
>run
> > on a mac.  I don't know whether they run stud, but i don't really care
>what
> > game we play.  Stud is available on paradise.  I'll see what I can find
>out
> > about accessing paradise on a mac.  If it;s not possible, next time
>we'll
> > switch to pokerroom.com.  If you like, I can try to persuad czarina and
>bad
> > betty to move tonight?
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET>
> > >Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> > >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> > >Subject: Goddamn.
> > >Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:29:04 -0700
> > >
> > >I can't even activate the poker software.  I am using IE on a Mac and
> > >although I've downloaded the software twice, when I click on the icon
>it
> > >tells me that Quicktime doesn't recognize the file so forget it.
> > >
> > >Then some shit pops up that shows me pictures of potential fellow
>players
> > >of poker on some OTHER goddamned software and wouldn't I like to play
> > >seven card stud.
> > >
> > >Well as a matter of fact I think I remember that 7 card stud is
>probably
> > >more fun than whatever goddamned Texas thing we have to play with
>Marty;
> > >however I'm in it for the chat, you know, and I don't happen to want to
> > >chat with the porn queens and felons they offered me on this popup.
> > >
> > >I do wish we could play real poker, I've been dying for decades to play
> > >real poker.  We used to have weekly games in Ann Arbor in the middle of
> > >the last century.
> > >
> > >OK that's one frustration.  The other one is figuring out this
>goddamned
> > >story problem with the geeks.  More on that later.
> > >
> > >Ann
> >
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--- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 06, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > I have trouble getting saffron, and it's hugely
> > expensive.
>
> Mexican saffron is cheaper, and relatively easily
> available. Try a
> Hispanic neighborhood.
>
> Karen

Thanks, I never thought of that.  There is actaully a
Mexican grocery/restaurant in town.


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On Wednesday, August 06, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> Yes.  I'm still not used to dogs; I've had cats for 30 years
> now, and I think cats pretty much train themselves.  Just
> show a kitten the litter box, scratch her front paws in it a
> couple of times, and she'll use it for its intended purpose.

Not every cat. I've lived with cats that never understood what a
litter box was for. And Paul's cat, of course, scratches outside the
lines--I mean, box.

Burl has both pooped and peed inside the house, but always on paper.

I need to stop leaving important papers on the floor...

Karen

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Does Rita have any money left?

Betty

At 11:11 PM 8/6/2003 -0400, Marty Rosen wrote:
>Well, I was meeber tonight.  We're just now breaking up, but it was fun.
>
>Next week, I suggest we try www.pokerroom.com.  It's mac-friendly, and still
>has a chat function, though i don't think it's quite as sophisticated as
>paradise.
>
>I'll post details.  Will Wednesdays be good, or would people prefer a
>different night of the week, I wonder?
>
>Anna Borinki is an excellent name!
>
>
>
>>From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET>
>>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: Re: Goddamn.
>>Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:53:28 -0700
>>
>>I don't care either, which poker game I can play.
>>
>>I would have about an hour to play in any case - 10 - 11 EST.
>>
>>Here's hoping -
>>
>>If we get a regular game started, though, I want us to have pictures,
>>like the seedy group they offered me on the Mac!  Bad Betty and the
>>Czarina, they're good poker names.  I choose Anna Borinki for my poker
>>name.  Do you stick with Marty Rosen, or what?
>>
>>Ann
>>
>>On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Marty
>>Rosen wrote:
>>
>> > This well and truly sucks.  I don't know whether this software runs on a
>> > mac.  That said, however, there is another poker site that I know does
>>run
>> > on a mac.  I don't know whether they run stud, but i don't really care
>>what
>> > game we play.  Stud is available on paradise.  I'll see what I can find
>>out
>> > about accessing paradise on a mac.  If it;s not possible, next time
>>we'll
>> > switch to pokerroom.com.  If you like, I can try to persuad czarina and
>>bad
>> > betty to move tonight?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET>
>> > >Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>> > >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>> > >Subject: Goddamn.
>> > >Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:29:04 -0700
>> > >
>> > >I can't even activate the poker software.  I am using IE on a Mac and
>> > >although I've downloaded the software twice, when I click on the icon
>>it
>> > >tells me that Quicktime doesn't recognize the file so forget it.
>> > >
>> > >Then some shit pops up that shows me pictures of potential fellow
>>players
>> > >of poker on some OTHER goddamned software and wouldn't I like to play
>> > >seven card stud.
>> > >
>> > >Well as a matter of fact I think I remember that 7 card stud is
>>probably
>> > >more fun than whatever goddamned Texas thing we have to play with
>>Marty;
>> > >however I'm in it for the chat, you know, and I don't happen to want to
>> > >chat with the porn queens and felons they offered me on this popup.
>> > >
>> > >I do wish we could play real poker, I've been dying for decades to play
>> > >real poker.  We used to have weekly games in Ann Arbor in the middle of
>> > >the last century.
>> > >
>> > >OK that's one frustration.  The other one is figuring out this
>>goddamned
>> > >story problem with the geeks.  More on that later.
>> > >
>> > >Ann
>> >
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On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:

> I'll post details.  Will Wednesdays be good, or would people prefer a
> different night of the week, I wonder?
>
> Anna Borinki is an excellent name!

1.  I'd prefer THURSDAY (but not by much)
2.  Thanks, here's her web site:  http://www.annaborinki.com

Ann

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Hah!  She still had six hundred dollars or so.  I brought a hundred to the
table and wound up with 270.
But only because I hit a full house on the last card against a fellow who
just couldn't believe it.





>From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Goddamn.
>Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:14:05 -0700
>
>Does Rita have any money left?
>
>Betty
>
>At 11:11 PM 8/6/2003 -0400, Marty Rosen wrote:
>>Well, I was meeber tonight.  We're just now breaking up, but it was fun.
>>
>>Next week, I suggest we try www.pokerroom.com.  It's mac-friendly, and
>>still
>>has a chat function, though i don't think it's quite as sophisticated as
>>paradise.
>>
>>I'll post details.  Will Wednesdays be good, or would people prefer a
>>different night of the week, I wonder?
>>
>>Anna Borinki is an excellent name!
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET>
>>>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>>Subject: Re: Goddamn.
>>>Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:53:28 -0700
>>>
>>>I don't care either, which poker game I can play.
>>>
>>>I would have about an hour to play in any case - 10 - 11 EST.
>>>
>>>Here's hoping -
>>>
>>>If we get a regular game started, though, I want us to have pictures,
>>>like the seedy group they offered me on the Mac!  Bad Betty and the
>>>Czarina, they're good poker names.  I choose Anna Borinki for my poker
>>>name.  Do you stick with Marty Rosen, or what?
>>>
>>>Ann
>>>
>>>On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Marty
>>>Rosen wrote:
>>>
>>> > This well and truly sucks.  I don't know whether this software runs on
>>>a
>>> > mac.  That said, however, there is another poker site that I know does
>>>run
>>> > on a mac.  I don't know whether they run stud, but i don't really care
>>>what
>>> > game we play.  Stud is available on paradise.  I'll see what I can
>>>find
>>>out
>>> > about accessing paradise on a mac.  If it;s not possible, next time
>>>we'll
>>> > switch to pokerroom.com.  If you like, I can try to persuad czarina
>>>and
>>>bad
>>> > betty to move tonight?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > >From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET>
>>> > >Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group
>>><WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>> > >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>> > >Subject: Goddamn.
>>> > >Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:29:04 -0700
>>> > >
>>> > >I can't even activate the poker software.  I am using IE on a Mac and
>>> > >although I've downloaded the software twice, when I click on the icon
>>>it
>>> > >tells me that Quicktime doesn't recognize the file so forget it.
>>> > >
>>> > >Then some shit pops up that shows me pictures of potential fellow
>>>players
>>> > >of poker on some OTHER goddamned software and wouldn't I like to play
>>> > >seven card stud.
>>> > >
>>> > >Well as a matter of fact I think I remember that 7 card stud is
>>>probably
>>> > >more fun than whatever goddamned Texas thing we have to play with
>>>Marty;
>>> > >however I'm in it for the chat, you know, and I don't happen to want
>>>to
>>> > >chat with the porn queens and felons they offered me on this popup.
>>> > >
>>> > >I do wish we could play real poker, I've been dying for decades to
>>>play
>>> > >real poker.  We used to have weekly games in Ann Arbor in the middle
>>>of
>>> > >the last century.
>>> > >
>>> > >OK that's one frustration.  The other one is figuring out this
>>>goddamned
>>> > >story problem with the geeks.  More on that later.
>>> > >
>>> > >Ann
>>> >
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http://bbspot.com/News/2003/01/os_quiz.php

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On Wednesday, August 06, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> I have trouble getting saffron, and it's hugely
> expensive.

Mexican saffron is cheaper, and relatively easily available. Try a
Hispanic neighborhood.

Karen

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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> Why are you doing this? I thought Allan was the designated cook
> in the household.

He is.  And, now that he has retired, he's the baker, too.

This though is just me making breakfast muffins for myself, to eat at my
desk as I read and write to words-l in the morning.
>
> Cumin and cardamom are completely different smells, textures
> etc for me. Don't mean to sound smarmy but I can't imagine using
> one for the other.

It was a MISTAKE, Rashmi, a MISTAKE!    They both begin with 'c' and I
wasn't paying attention.

> I missed the end of the thread - how did the muffins turn out? Were
> they edible?

Yes, they are in fact edible and maybe at the end (the twelfth or
eleventh) I will grow fond of them.  There were so many other elements in
these muffins - - they ended up tasting like something I might be served
in a very foreign country, and I would be very pleased to be able to
like them, even.

(the other tastes were ginger, cinnamon, dried cranberries, nuts, anise,
apple).

Ann

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At 10:44 PM 8/6/2003 -0400, Theo Groothof wrote:
>In a message dated 8/6/2003 8:40:27 PM, lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
>
> >Are you on the mend?
> >
>I wish. I broke my femur, and it hurts like hell. But thanks for thinking of
>me.

Well, the femur is kind of a big bone to break.  How did you do that?

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Thursdays are generally fine with me.  Let's see what happens as others
weigh in.




>From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET>
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>
>On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
>
> > I'll post details.  Will Wednesdays be good, or would people prefer a
> > different night of the week, I wonder?
> >
> > Anna Borinki is an excellent name!
>
>1.  I'd prefer THURSDAY (but not by much)
>2.  Thanks, here's her web site:  http://www.annaborinki.com
>
>Ann

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> 1.  I'd prefer THURSDAY (but not by much)
> 2.  Thanks, here's her web site:
> http://www.annaborinki.com
>
> Ann

annaborinki has a neat web site.


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--- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> http://bbspot.com/News/2003/01/os_quiz.php
>
> Karen

Red Hat Linux, and I don't even know what that is.


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In a message dated 8/6/2003 10:32:15 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Red Hat Linux, and I don't even know what that is.

>>

I got Debian Linux

Evelyn Duncan
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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> >I DO NOT WANT ANY MORE ONLINE HELP.
>
> Ooops. Didn't see this.

Sincere thanks but if you think this is a clarification, hoo boy, Rashmi,
I am worse off than even I thought:


" Tangent is the ratio of lengths. The degree or angle is
the argument."

Ann

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Ann Borkin:
= OK.  I think I have figured out that "tangent" means "degree of an angle".
=
= That took me the ferry portion of my commute to figure out.
=
= Then, with effort during the (shorter) bus part of my commute, I figured
= out/ remembered  that X = B/C is equivalent to X x B = C .
=
= OK so if X is the "side opposite", whose length I am trying to figure out,
= and B is "side adjacent," which is one mile, and if the tangent is C,
= which is 42.333,
=
= AND if the formula for figuring out the side opposite (X)  is X = A / B ,
= then 42.333 = A / one mile .  And that's equivalent to X x one mile =
= 42.333 .
=
= I DON'T GET IT!  How can you multiply degrees against miles?  Would it
= help to convert miles to feet?  but how can you multiply degrees against
= feet?  Anyway, I am hopelessly confused.
=
= I DO NOT WANT ANY MORE ONLINE HELP.  I will wait for Tushar to get moved
= in.  Tushar is a genius who knows how to explain things to simpletons.
=
= Ann

Well, fuck that, you unappreciative bitch.

But I have to feed the cat and go to work.

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Here's the way I see it: Arnold Schwarzenegger will be the next governor of
California.  But that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Gray Davis is a pretty unpopular guy among Californians right now, but he's
a master of campaigning, and, let's face it, there weren't a lot of
potential Republican candidates who fare much better in the polls.  Last
weekend, when it was rumored that Arnie was not going to run, I would have
given Gray a better than even chance of maintaining his seat.  Richard
Riordan was the only Republican candidate who could possibly have beaten
Davis in a one-on-one battle, although Darrell Issa would have had a pretty
decent chance in the wacky battle-royale-style ballot; but bulldog Gray
would still have had the odds on his side under the circumstances.

But all of that is negated with the entrance of the man even Gray Davis
today referred to as "the Terminator".  He has the name recognition, he has
charisma, and he hasn't pissed the electorate off, and in that he's miles
ahead of everyone else on that ballot, not to mention the incumbent.

As to why it's not necessarily a bad thing: having never held elective
office, he is an untested quantity.  He might be great; he might suck; most
likely, he'll muddle along as best he can and, like Jesse Ventura, discover
that politics is not really his thing.  At least he's used to dealing with
huge sums of money, which gives him an edge over a lot of amateur
politicians.  However it plays out, it's unlikely that he'll do worse than
Davis has.  (Mind you, I didn't say it was impossible, just unlikely.)

You gotta love an election in which Larry Flynt, Arianna Huffington, Georgy
Russell, and Gary Coleman are all name-recognition candidates.

Ken Miller
Ezekiel Merritt School of Politics

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=
= Well, fuck that, you unappreciative bitch.
=
= But I have to feed the cat and go to work.

Because Mojo Jojo has come into my life twice in two days and I
had no idea who that was, I googled.  The first link off of the
"I'm feeling lucky" page was this, http://mojo-jojo.org/
which led me on to
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/4/8/211815/8634%20

Buried therein is this paragraph:
Finally, we come to Buttercup. Buttercup is in a way what Blossom
may be some day if she does not retreat into vapidity like
Bubbles. Buttercup rounds out the stereotype of femininity by
being the so-called "bitch" of this trio. Her actions are that of
the jaded and cynical woman who finds no hope in trying to change
her role in the world and merely snaps at it like a viper
regardless of her situation. She has no respect for Bubbles and
her vapidity, and cares little for Blossom's intellectual
approach. She is the ultimate in action, saying as she pleases
because in her mind, it has already gotten as bad as it must.
Hair as black as her heart has become, Buttercup's wounds have
grown too deep to heal, and the nerve's have been severed from
all feeling. She is what we fear the female to become if we
continue on our path.



I like to think I'm more Blossom-like, but I fear I'm on my way
to Buttercup.

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= =
= = I DON'T GET IT!  How can you multiply degrees against miles?  Would it
= = help to convert miles to feet?  but how can you multiply degrees against
= = feet?  Anyway, I am hopelessly confused.
= =
= = I DO NOT WANT ANY MORE ONLINE HELP.  I will wait for Tushar to get moved
= = in.  Tushar is a genius who knows how to explain things to simpletons.
= =
= = Ann
=
= Well, fuck that, you unappreciative bitch.
=
= But I have to feed the cat and go to work.

Ann, I will come back to this when I'm feeling much more Blossom-like,
and have gotten over the insult of you thinking only Tushar is
worthy of explaining this to you.

But in the meantime, your questions are spot on.

Go back to thinking about comparing the rainbow triangle to one
which is exactly a mile high and a mile away.  Compare the angle
of that triangle with the rainbow triangle.  What does 42.3
degrees mean to you?  How does that angle compare to the mile
high triangle?

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In a message dated 8/7/2003 2:05:41 AM Central Daylight Time, 
stevie@MULTINIX.COM writes:
<<
Buttercup's wounds have
grown too deep to heal, and the nerve's have been severed from
all feeling. She is what we fear the female to become if we
continue on our path.

>>

It's not surprising to me, at all, that when she chose what kind
of superhero she wanted to be, she picked a creature of the
night that made Frank Miller's Batman look like Adam West's.

And you could have asked me who Mojo Jojo is.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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At 22:37 06.08.2003 -0400, Theo Groothof skrev:
>In a message dated 8/6/2003 3:47:14 PM, stevie@MULTINIX.COM writes:
>
> >
> >I went to bed but I got back up because we are having a freak
> >rainstorm (man, is that weird to say in .nl) after days and days
> >of 30 degree weather (and that is also weird to say in .nl) and
> >all the windows and doors were open and the cushions were on the
> >furniture on the roof and I ran upstairs to pull them in and shut
> >the roof door.
> >
>I know exactly what you meant. I heard today that it's been unusually warm in
>Europe too. Something like a 108F in London?
>It must be torture with the high humidity too.

And for us the beach/swimming season around Oslo is usually over before my
birthday - it was unusual last year and three years ago in that we could
actually swim at the end of August. But now we have day temperatures of
23-27C which in itself is hot here but in August it seems unnatural.

Espen

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At 23:38 06.08.2003 -0400, Evelyn Duncan skrev:
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>Red Hat Linux, and I don't even know what that is.
>
> >>
>
>I got Debian Linux

I have recently installed RHL on my new office computer - and I have even
paid for one year of updates.

Espen

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At 22:18 06.08.2003 -0500, Karen Kay skrev:
>http://bbspot.com/News/2003/01/os_quiz.php
>
>Karen

I am Red Hat Linux.

Espen

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"Espen S. Ore" wrote:

> And for us the beach/swimming season around Oslo is usually over before my
> birthday - it was unusual last year and three years ago in that we could
> actually swim at the end of August. But now we have day temperatures of
> 23-27C which in itself is hot here but in August it seems unnatural.

Oh yes, you are keeping the anticyclone there hanging over Scandinavia. After
having weeks on unusual hotness of over 30C here, now our land is influenced by a
cyclon with its centre somewhat eastward of us, and the summer seems to be over:
15-17C. The water in the river is warm, still (much warmer than the air), but not
for long, I guess, if the weather goes on to be like that.

A big flock of starlings gathered in our yard today. Grey clouds, heavy wind, and
many starlings on the swaying branches of a birch. Are they going to leave for
south already?

Kristin

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At 12:58 07.08.2003 +0300, Kristin Sarv skrev:
>"Espen S. Ore" wrote:
>
> > And for us the beach/swimming season around Oslo is usually over before my
> > birthday - it was unusual last year and three years ago in that we could
> > actually swim at the end of August. But now we have day temperatures of
> > 23-27C which in itself is hot here but in August it seems unnatural.
>
>Oh yes, you are keeping the anticyclone there hanging over Scandinavia. After
>having weeks on unusual hotness of over 30C here, now our land is
>influenced by a
>cyclon with its centre somewhat eastward of us, and the summer seems to be
>over:
>15-17C. The water in the river is warm, still (much warmer than the air),
>but not
>for long, I guess, if the weather goes on to be like that.

Too bad for my mother - she has been in Tallinn for two days now.

Espen

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Doris Markland wrote:

> > > >
> > > > You are beautiful. We are all beautiful.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > alec
> > >
> > >We are all beautiful sinners.
> > >
> > >         - D. M.
> >
> > Yes, and everybody has been to Europe.
> >
> > cwv
>
> Yes.  That's where sin is learned.

Well, well... You better watch it!

Kristin

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"Espen S. Ore" wrote:

> Too bad for my mother - she has been in Tallinn for two days now.

I told over the phone both with my mother and sister, living in Tallinn,
yesterday. They said it was slightly warmer there, and less windy. Which is not
usual either, btw, as it is situated at the sea. But it is also a bit westwards
from Tartu (towards NNW-wards), and can still enjoy a weak influence of the
anticyclone "of yours".

I hope you mother can enjoy her trip.

Kristin

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> > Cumin and cardamom are completely different smells, textures
> > etc for me. Don't mean to sound smarmy but I can't imagine using
> > one for the other.
>
> It was a MISTAKE, Rashmi, a MISTAKE!    They both begin with 'c'

I like the latter argument :-)

But, Rashmi, a friend of mine once put hot red pepper in the pastry instead
of cinnamon. And it happened at some time at the turn of 1980s-1990s when the
shops were so empty you maybe have never seen anything as empty in your life.
It was her last good flour, her last eggs, and I do not know what else last
she had mixed in the pastry already. Only her last remnants of cinnamon
remained intact. So much for baking sweets for her family.

Kristin

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>
> You gotta love an election in which Larry Flynt, Arianna Huffington,
Georgy
> Russell, and Gary Coleman are all name-recognition candidates.
>
> Ken Miller
> Ezekiel Merritt School of Politics

Gary Coleman is a candidate?  I hadn't heard that.

Interesting that Arnold said something to the effect
that he doesn't need money . . he has plenty of
money and can't be <bought off.>

Jay Leno jokes about Larry Flynt leaving what he's
doing to get into something really sleazy, like politics.

                     - D. M.

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> >
> > Yes.  That's where sin is learned.
>
> Well, well... You better watch it!
>
> Kristin

Had to say that, Kristin, because
Europeans think Americans are
so puritanical.

            - D. M.

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At 07:09 07.08.2003 -0500, Doris Markland skrev:
> > >
> > > Yes.  That's where sin is learned.
> >
> > Well, well... You better watch it!
> >
> > Kristin
>
>Had to say that, Kristin, because
>Europeans think Americans are
>so puritanical.

Some of us 'wegians at least see USers as both puritan and not-so-puritan
(what we consider double standards): yes, there are many things I find
puritan when I think about USers - I remember for instance Marie's report
about the student's reaction to topless beaches in Spain, and in fact
nudity seems to be very important when one should consider what age group
should be allowed to see for instance a movie. OTOH some of the movies
available in US hotels (at least in some where I have checked) would be
illegal in Norway. But then maybe we are very puritanical?

Espen

Espen

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In a message dated 8/7/2003 7:04:32 AM Central Daylight Time, 
dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:
<<
Had to say that, Kristin, because
Europeans think Americans are
so puritanical.

>>

Maybe they've come to Tulsa.  When NBC showed an episode of Queer Eye,
the local NBC station showed an episode of Coach.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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I had $600-something left when I called it quits.  It took
me awhile to figure out the game/strategy.  I haven't played
poker since I was an undergrad (Poor Arthur Friedman... he
didn't know whether to be pissed or laugh when he caught me
cutting his class because I was winning one time while
playing for money -- Arthur's dead now, but his name might
ring a bell for Boston Globe readers).

I vote to continue words-l poker night! That was fun, Marty,
thanks :).


Betty wrote:

> Does Rita have any money left?
>
> Betty
>
> At 11:11 PM 8/6/2003 -0400, Marty Rosen wrote:
>
>> Well, I was meeber tonight.  We're just now breaking up, but it was fun.
>>
>> Next week, I suggest we try www.pokerroom.com.  It's mac-friendly, and
>> still
>> has a chat function, though i don't think it's quite as sophisticated as
>> paradise.
>>
>> I'll post details.  Will Wednesdays be good, or would people prefer a
>> different night of the week, I wonder?
>>
>> Anna Borinki is an excellent name!
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET>
>>> Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>> To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: Goddamn.
>>> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:53:28 -0700
>>>
>>> I don't care either, which poker game I can play.
>>>
>>> I would have about an hour to play in any case - 10 - 11 EST.
>>>
>>> Here's hoping -
>>>
>>> If we get a regular game started, though, I want us to have pictures,
>>> like the seedy group they offered me on the Mac!  Bad Betty and the
>>> Czarina, they're good poker names.  I choose Anna Borinki for my poker
>>> name.  Do you stick with Marty Rosen, or what?
>>>
>>> Ann
>>>
>>> On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Marty
>>> Rosen wrote:
>>>
>>> > This well and truly sucks.  I don't know whether this software runs
>>> on a
>>> > mac.  That said, however, there is another poker site that I know does
>>> run
>>> > on a mac.  I don't know whether they run stud, but i don't really care
>>> what
>>> > game we play.  Stud is available on paradise.  I'll see what I can
>>> find
>>> out
>>> > about accessing paradise on a mac.  If it;s not possible, next time
>>> we'll
>>> > switch to pokerroom.com.  If you like, I can try to persuad czarina
>>> and
>>> bad
>>> > betty to move tonight?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > >From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET>
>>> > >Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group
>>> <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>> > >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>> > >Subject: Goddamn.
>>> > >Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:29:04 -0700
>>> > >
>>> > >I can't even activate the poker software.  I am using IE on a Mac and
>>> > >although I've downloaded the software twice, when I click on the icon
>>> it
>>> > >tells me that Quicktime doesn't recognize the file so forget it.
>>> > >
>>> > >Then some shit pops up that shows me pictures of potential fellow
>>> players
>>> > >of poker on some OTHER goddamned software and wouldn't I like to play
>>> > >seven card stud.
>>> > >
>>> > >Well as a matter of fact I think I remember that 7 card stud is
>>> probably
>>> > >more fun than whatever goddamned Texas thing we have to play with
>>> Marty;
>>> > >however I'm in it for the chat, you know, and I don't happen to
>>> want to
>>> > >chat with the porn queens and felons they offered me on this popup.
>>> > >
>>> > >I do wish we could play real poker, I've been dying for decades to
>>> play
>>> > >real poker.  We used to have weekly games in Ann Arbor in the
>>> middle of
>>> > >the last century.
>>> > >
>>> > >OK that's one frustration.  The other one is figuring out this
>>> goddamned
>>> > >story problem with the geeks.  More on that later.
>>> > >
>>> > >Ann
>>> >
>>> > _________________________________________________________________
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>>
>>
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--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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At 06:49 AM 8/7/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:

>Jay Leno jokes about Larry Flynt leaving what he's
>doing to get into something really sleazy, like politics.

Some of the best humor is very close to the truth.

cwv

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At 11:10 PM 8/6/2003 -0700, Bookrat wrote:
>Here's the way I see it: Arnold Schwarzenegger will be the next governor of
>California.  But that's not necessarily a bad thing.

My guess is that he has greater mental acuity than the last actor to be
your governor.

>You gotta love an election in which Larry Flynt, Arianna Huffington, Georgy
>Russell, and Gary Coleman are all name-recognition candidates.

It's fun reading the apostate Republican Arianna's remarks about the
Republicans.

cwv

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>
> It's fun reading the apostate Republican Arianna's remarks about the
> Republicans.
>
> cwv

Talk about accents.  A debate between Arnold
and Arianna would be interesting.

                 - D. M.

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I'm waiting for the "Which 'Which X Are You?' Are You?"  quiz.
 
I think I would be the "Which Cartoon Character Are You?" quiz.
 
BrP
 
 
 
 


>>> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM 08/06/03 11:18PM >>>
http://bbspot.com/News/2003/01/os_quiz.php 

Karen

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In a message dated 8/7/2003 7:50:38 AM Central Daylight Time, 
Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU writes:
<<
I think I would be the "Which Cartoon Character Are You?" quiz.

>>

Strictly American cartoons, or would you include anime, too?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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I always strive to be inclusive.
 
BrP
 
 


>>> BrandyKitt@AOL.COM 08/07/03 09:05AM >>>
In a message dated 8/7/2003 7:50:38 AM Central Daylight Time, 
Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU writes:
<<
I think I would be the "Which Cartoon Character Are You?" quiz.

>>

Strictly American cartoons, or would you include anime, too?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com 
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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In a message dated 8/7/2003 8:08:59 AM Central Daylight Time, 
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I always strive to be inclusive.

BrP

>>

OK, then I would like to be Ryoko.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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life:  music and cats."
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:09 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>On Wednesday, August 06, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> I have trouble getting saffron, and it's hugely
>> expensive.
>
>Mexican saffron is cheaper, and relatively easily available. Try a
>Hispanic neighborhood.
>
>Karen
>

Hispanic hood in Alabama?
Texas, I am sure there are many Hispanic hoods.


alec

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On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> Hispanic hood in Alabama?

If they have them in Iowa, I'm sure they have them in Alabama. It
won't be long before they are a majority of the population.

> Texas, I am sure there are many Hispanic hoods.

Well, yeah.

Karen

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Czarina wrote:

>I vote to continue words-l poker night! That was fun, Marty,
>thanks :).


I certainly enjoyed it, though czarina kept playing virtual footsie with me
right there in front of her innocent hub......

Mac players have three options:


1. Buy a real computer.

2. virtualpc for macs (from connectix.com) apparently enables macs to run
the paradise software.  I have no idea what it costs or how difficult it is
to install.  When Tushar returns, he should be able to explain this to us in
lay terms that even the densest among us can understand.  Or perhaps he, or
some other mac user can fiddle with this problem and suggest another
workaround.

3.  www.pokerroom.com  Pokerroom does not require a software download; it
runs directly from a browser.  Pokerroom uses grotesque avatars to represent
the various players: this is probably the site Anna Borinka came upon last
night.  Its chat feature is more primitive than Paradise's. One important
limitation: only players actually seated at the table can chat.  As Bad
Betty and czarina know, that's not a requirement at paradise.

I think Paradise is superior if it's accessible to all who wish to play.  If
it's not, however,we'll move the game to pokerroom.com and adapt.

We should also discuss scheduling.

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> >Hispanic hood in Alabama?

>   There's also a small Hispanic hood in Princeton,
> NJ that has a great
> restaurant.
>
> cwv

Our Hispanic population has grown so quickly that our
police officers are having to learn Spanish.  In fact,
this small town supports three Mexican restaurants,
and two Chinese restaurants, plus all the other garden
varieties.


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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>Our Hispanic population has grown so quickly that our
>police officers are having to learn Spanish.  In fact,
>this small town supports three Mexican restaurants,
>and two Chinese restaurants, plus all the other garden
>varieties.

And I have just been asked to translate for a speaker of Tarascan this
afternoon in federal court (I can't).

Bethany

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On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> I'm waiting for the "Which 'Which X Are You?' Are You?"  quiz.

> I think I would be the "Which Cartoon Character Are You?" quiz.

I think so, too.

I would be the 'Which Condiment Are You?' quiz.

Karen

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At 09:43 AM 8/7/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>Hispanic hood in Alabama?

Stranger things have happened.  There is a small area in central Wisconsin
that is heavily Hispanic---as a result of imported farm labor from years back.

  There's also a small Hispanic hood in Princeton, NJ that has a great
restaurant.

cwv

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At 10:09 PM 8/6/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Wednesday, August 06, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > I have trouble getting saffron, and it's hugely
> > expensive.
>
>Mexican saffron is cheaper, and relatively easily available. Try a
>Hispanic neighborhood.

Penzeys sells Spanish and Indian saffron---three varieties, ranging from
$6.49 to 10.95 per gram.

www.penzeys.com

cwv

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steph:
> Well, fuck that, you unappreciative bitch.

She messed up some algebra, too, but you're
right.  Fuck it.

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--- Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> wrote:
> I found the insurance card in a pile of mail.
> Sweetie was so
> excited, she attacked my computer chair.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> life:  music and cats."
> --Albert Schweitzer

:-]  Great news.  Today will be a good one!

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At 06:49 AM 8/7/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> > You gotta love an election in which Larry Flynt, Arianna Huffington,
>Georgy
> > Russell, and Gary Coleman are all name-recognition candidates.
> >
> > Ken Miller
> > Ezekiel Merritt School of Politics
>
>Gary Coleman is a candidate?  I hadn't heard that.
>
>Interesting that Arnold said something to the effect
>that he doesn't need money . . he has plenty of
>money and can't be <bought off.>
>
>Jay Leno jokes about Larry Flynt leaving what he's
>doing to get into something really sleazy, like politics.

Clothing optional governor's mansion?

Betty

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My cat ate some of the chicken I made last night.

I never knew cats ate cumin.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> My cat ate some of the chicken I made last night.
>
> I never knew cats ate cumin.


        I brought back hoof shavings from the barn yesterday for my dog.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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In a message dated 8/7/2003 9:39:34 AM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
:-]  Great news.  Today will be a good one!

>>

I hope so.  It's the last day of my 4 days off after
working 8 days in a row.  I'll be working at least
5 days in a row, and I suspect that it will be 10.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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In a message dated 8/7/2003 10:06:01 AM Central Daylight Time, 
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<<
I never knew cats ate cumin.

>>

Can't be worse than mouse.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> In a message dated 8/7/2003 10:06:01 AM Central Daylight Time,
> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> <<
> I never knew cats ate cumin.

>>>

> Can't be worse than mouse.

Er, I haven't tasted mouse, but I am sure it's a whole lot better.

I think it's really the garlic she likes--that and the act of ripping
the chicken to bits. There was a special swagger in her walk as she
headed outside afterward...

Karen

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On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         I brought back hoof shavings from the barn yesterday for my dog.

To help her joints?

Karen

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I didn't know any of this, but I find the invoking of this at this
time quite bizarre.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/07/13/MN243790.DTL

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        I brought back hoof shavings from the barn yesterday for my dog.
>>
>
> To help her joints?


        No.  Just thought they'd enjoy a stinky treat.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Karen Kay writes,

>I didn't know any of this, but I find the invoking of this at this
>time quite bizarre.

Dirt is dirt.  If it's not bad dirt, you might as well get it out in the
open at your earliest convenience.

Pete

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> Ann, I will come back to this when I'm feeling much more Blossom-like,
> and have gotten over the insult of you thinking only Tushar is
> worthy of explaining this to you.
>
> But in the meantime, your questions are spot on.

Steph appears to have forgiven me even without an apology!

Steph is a MENSCH.

thanks, Steph.

Ann

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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, lisping cockatiel wrote:

>
> She messed up some algebra, too, but you're
> right.  Fuck it.

I apologize to you, too, Richard.  I'm really sorry.

Please tell me the wrongness of the algebra.

Ann

I apologize to Evelyn as well.  I'm sorry, Evelyn.

Ann

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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:

>
> I think Paradise is superior if it's accessible to all who wish to play.  If
> it's not, however,we'll move the game to pokerroom.com and adapt.

Thanks - I think you should go with the superior system, though.

I'll save Wednesday nights for my math homework.

Ann

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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, steph wrote:
>
> Well, fuck that, you unappreciative bitch.

I apologize, Steph - I sincerely apologize.  I was frustrated.  You were
very kind to draw me a picture, make me special questions, lead me along .
. . I grovel.  Really.

Ann

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> Please tell me the wrongness of the algebra.


>> X = B/C is equivalent to X x B = C

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Bizarre?  It's exactly what I would expect at this time.  Once the hat is in the ring a very large number of people start digging for anything that might be at all useful against the candidate.  One of the Cal pols the other day (was it Riordan perhaps?) said that the recall election was like the OK Corral - everybody was armed to the teeth but holding their fire and waiting for the first shot.  Arnold's announcement last night may have been that shot.
 
BrP
 
 


>>> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM 08/07/03 11:29AM >>>
I didn't know any of this, but I find the invoking of this at this
time quite bizarre.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/07/13/MN243790.DTL 

Karen

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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, lisping cockatiel wrote:

> > Please tell me the wrongness of the algebra.
>
>
> >> X = B/C is equivalent to X x B = C
>
OK there's something fundamental I'm not getting.  Wouldn't that mean

4 = 12/3  is equivalent to 4 x 12 = 3?

Ann

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In a message dated 8/7/2003 10:43:13 AM Central Daylight Time, 
aborkin@RAHUL.NET writes:
<<
I apologize to Evelyn as well.  I'm sorry, Evelyn.

>>

No need to apologize.

And X = B/C  ->  X*C = B

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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From: Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU>
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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:42:21 +0300, Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE>
wrote:

>Ann Borkin wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>> > Cumin and cardamom are completely different smells, textures
>> > etc for me. Don't mean to sound smarmy but I can't imagine using
>> > one for the other.
>>
>> It was a MISTAKE, Rashmi, a MISTAKE!    They both begin with 'c'
>
>I like the latter argument :-)
>
>But, Rashmi, a friend of mine once put hot red pepper in the pastry instead
>of cinnamon. And it happened at some time at the turn of 1980s-1990s when
the
>shops were so empty you maybe have never seen anything as empty in your
life.
>It was her last good flour, her last eggs, and I do not know what else last
>she had mixed in the pastry already. Only her last remnants of cinnamon
>remained intact. So much for baking sweets for her family.
>
>Kristin

Not so many here, I think, can appreciate that story's urgency so well as
you. You tell it very well.

I have had many baking disasters: when I was 12, I put a lb of butter
instead of a stick of butter (1/4 lb) into my very first batch of homemade
butterscotch brownies, and the adults I served them too were so polite they
ate them!

I was not so lucky when a friend and I misread a very faded handwritten
recipe on the wall at camp, and we made cornbread with a cup of salt instead
of sugar. (I normally only use a few tablespoons of sugar; that's what comes
of reading a recipe instead of measuring by hand and eye, as my mother
taught me). Even the dogs wouldn't touch it!

Most of the others have been when the lid came off some spice as I was
shaking it into the dish; but V smoked for 30 years, and requires on heavy
spice to make a dish palatable anyway.

I need to tell you that there are recipes for breads that do have hot pepper
in them, to be eaten with dishes like chili. It's a specialty of the upscale
Mexican restaurant around the corner from me. So perhaps the best thing to
do with such mistakes is to adopt an attitude of adventure, and give it an
exotic name when serving.

Hm - I should have tried that with my oatmeal soup! (it worked with my
chicken and paprika dish).

clo

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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:43:39 -0700, Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
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>> >Hispanic hood in Alabama?
>
>>   There's also a small Hispanic hood in Princeton,
>> NJ that has a great
>> restaurant.
>>
>> cwv
>
>Our Hispanic population has grown so quickly that our
>police officers are having to learn Spanish.  In fact,
>this small town supports three Mexican restaurants,
>and two Chinese restaurants, plus all the other garden
>varieties.
>

Speaking of "Language for Busy People".

clo

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In a message dated 8/7/2003 10:27:59 AM Central Daylight Time, 
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
<<
that and the act of ripping
the chicken to bits. There was a special swagger in her walk as she
headed outside afterward...

>>

Yeah, there's something about the kill that turns the gentlest of kitties
into the Terminator.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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life:  music and cats."
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On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> In a message dated 8/7/2003 10:27:59 AM Central Daylight Time,
> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> <<
> that and the act of ripping
> the chicken to bits. There was a special swagger in her walk as she
> headed outside afterward...

>>>

> Yeah, there's something about the kill that turns the gentlest of kitties
> into the Terminator.

Especially when it's your hand they are trying to terminate...

Karen

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In a message dated 8/7/2003 11:05:06 AM Central Daylight Time, 
clostran@SYR.EDU writes:
<<
Our local station showed it, which astonished me - and V watched and liked
it, which astonished me more!

>>

I was checking out the listings for Time-Warner Cable in Akron and found out
that Bravo, Sci-Fi Channel, and EWTN are on analog cable there.  I wish we
had that here.  Here you have to have digital cable or a dish to get those
channels.

Evelyn Duncan
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>
> No need to apologize.
>
> And X = B/C  ->  X*C = B
>
Oh, I see.  That was a typo, the first time! And Richard was just quoting
me.

Lordy lordy

Ann

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>>>> X = B/C is equivalent to X x B = C
> OK there's something fundamental I'm not getting.  Wouldn't that mean
> 4 = 12/3  is equivalent to 4 x 12 = 3?

Right, I was just quoting the error.

You want:

X = B/C is equivalent to X x C = B

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In a message dated 8/7/2003 11:11:20 AM Central Daylight Time, 
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
<<
Especially when it's your hand they are trying to terminate...
>>

Yeah, Daisy's like that.  I keep a box of dog biscuits by my computer.

Evelyn Duncan
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life:  music and cats."
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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:

>Mac players have three options:
>
>
>1. Buy a real computer.


We've already done that.

Bethany

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On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> In a message dated 8/7/2003 11:11:20 AM Central Daylight Time,
> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> <<
> Especially when it's your hand they are trying to terminate...
>>>

> Yeah, Daisy's like that.  I keep a box of dog biscuits by my computer.

I dunno. Rita knows best, but I can't think that shoving food in the
dog's face every time it behaves like a dog is not a good thing. I
went through this with Burl during the spring when I was trying to
comb her when she was shedding. The treats really didn't work--the cat
has to want to be combed, or at least, be willing to put up with it.

Burl does gnaw on my hand from time to time. Sometimes, it's because
she doesn't like my behavior. Sometimes, it's accompanied by grooming
behavior--she's treating me as if I were a member of her family.

Karen

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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 08:30:24 EDT, Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> wrote:

>In a message dated 8/7/2003 7:04:32 AM Central Daylight Time,
>dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:
><<
>Had to say that, Kristin, because
>Europeans think Americans are
>so puritanical.
>
>>>
>
>Maybe they've come to Tulsa.  When NBC showed an episode of Queer Eye,
>the local NBC station showed an episode of Coach.
>

Our local station showed it, which astonished me - and V watched and liked
it, which astonished me more!

clo

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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

>>>        I brought back hoof shavings from the barn yesterday for my dog.
>>>
>>
>> To help her joints?
>
>
>        No.  Just thought they'd enjoy a stinky treat.

When farriers work at PF, the several dogs fight for the scraps. They LOVE
them.

Bethany

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In a message dated 8/7/2003 11:21:36 AM Central Daylight Time, 
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
<<
Burl does gnaw on my hand from time to time. 
>>

Gnawing is different from outright trying to take one's hand off.
The biscuits divert her attention.  And she's not a mean dog;
she's actually quite friendly.

Evelyn Duncan
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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:31:43 -0500
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On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> Gnawing is different from outright trying to take one's hand off.

How?

> The biscuits divert her attention.  And she's not a mean dog;
> she's actually quite friendly.

Right--but it seems to me that giving her a treat when she tries to
take your hand off only encourages behavior you don't want. But I
don't know anything about dog training.

Karen

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lisping cockatiel:
= >>>> X = B/C is equivalent to X x B = C
= > OK there's something fundamental I'm not getting.  Wouldn't that mean
= > 4 = 12/3  is equivalent to 4 x 12 = 3?
=
= Right, I was just quoting the error.
=
= You want:
=
= X = B/C is equivalent to X x C = B

You get from the first to the second by multiplying both sides of
the equation by C

(I'm switching notation on you - two numbers next to each other
in parentheses means multiply)

How do I get from
x = b     to        x(c) = b
    -
    c

x(c) = b(c)
       -
       c

now, cancel out the c's because a number divided by itself equals 1.
If you do this on paper, you can just draw / through the c's.
Keep this trick in mind for the rainbow problem, because it's how
you're going to convert from one mile into feet.


throw away everything you cancelled out:
x(c) = b

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In a message dated 8/7/2003 11:32:23 AM Central Daylight Time, 
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
<<
How?

>>

The amount of blood for one thing.

I don't know anything about dog training.  I've always liked cats because 
you can pick them up when they misbehave, hold them up at eye level,
and tell them "No!"  I told Mom if she ever got a dog, to get one such as
a Lhasa Apso or Shih Tsu, but nooooo, she always has to get a big one,
and Daisy is a big puppy.  I've always been scared of big dogs.

Evelyn Duncan
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life:  music and cats."
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On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> The amount of blood for one thing.

Blood is not a good thing.

When Burl gets vicious, I hiss at her, and she stops immediately.

> I've always liked cats because
> you can pick them up when they misbehave, hold them up at eye level,
> and tell them "No!"

Uhhh... Okay. I haven't found this effective at all. Hissing works,
spraying water at her works.

> I told Mom if she ever got a dog, to get one such as
> a Lhasa Apso or Shih Tsu, but nooooo, she always has to get a big one,
> and Daisy is a big puppy.  I've always been scared of big dogs.

Maybe having your own big dog will help you to be less afraid of big
dogs?

Karen

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On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> In a message dated 8/7/2003 11:47:14 AM Central Daylight Time,
> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> <<
> Maybe having your own big dog will help you to be less afraid of big
> dogs?

>>>

> No, we used to own a couple of German Shepherd/St. Bernard mix
> dogs when we lived in Mogadore.  Tammy wasn't gentle; Tobey was,
> but she would knock me down in her enthusiasm.

How can you stand living with an animal you're afraid of?

Karen

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In a message dated 8/7/2003 11:47:14 AM Central Daylight Time, 
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
<<
Maybe having your own big dog will help you to be less afraid of big
dogs?

>>

No, we used to own a couple of German Shepherd/St. Bernard mix
dogs when we lived in Mogadore.  Tammy wasn't gentle; Tobey was,
but she would knock me down in her enthusiasm.

Evelyn Duncan
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On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> Can't let her go to the pound; that was the alternative, which
> was unthinkable.

There have to be other alternatives. Living with someone you're afraid
of should be unthinkable also.

Karen

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In a message dated 8/7/2003 11:52:51 AM Central Daylight Time, 
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
<<
How can you stand living with an animal you're afraid of?


>>

Can't let her go to the pound; that was the alternative, which
was unthinkable.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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In a message dated 8/7/2003 12:01:36 PM Central Daylight Time, 
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<<
There have to be other alternatives. Living with someone you're afraid
of should be unthinkable also.

>>

Maybe we can have her trained enough by the time she gets to be
full-grown.  Puppy classes twice a week starting September 1st.

I'm glad Mom's not interested in owning snakes; I'd ship her off
to my sister's if she were.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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An argument can be made that the superior system is the one that allows
everyone to play.  Besides, and tangentially, poker is an excellent
practical application of your math skills.


>Thanks - I think you should go with the superior system, though.
>
>I'll save Wednesday nights for my math homework.
>
>Ann

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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:04:09 EDT, Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> wrote:

>In a message dated 8/7/2003 12:01:36 PM Central Daylight Time,
>Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
><<
>There have to be other alternatives. Living with someone you're afraid
>of should be unthinkable also.
>
>>>
>
>Maybe we can have her trained enough by the time she gets to be
>full-grown.  Puppy classes twice a week starting September 1st.
>
>I'm glad Mom's not interested in owning snakes; I'd ship her off
>to my sister's if she were.

We take in strays and rescue pets, and most are eventually tame and loving,
though not always well-behaved! We had one cat, and one dog, who had spent
at least 3-4 months (the winter!) in the wild after being abandoned or lost
by campers.

The cat, in particular, needed a lot of coaxing and patience before
interacting with humans.

Another cat had a nervous disposition and a "startle" reaction of scratching
and biting. I had to give the cat away to someone else with more patience
and the time for strict training to help him overcome it. He is now very
loving with humans, but still hard on other animals. By the way, it takes
him about 5-6 days to get used to visiting dogs to the point of sometimes
talking to them. My daughter's ocecat is even slower to warm up.

I agree with you that it's probably worth a try. But not every dog can or
should live in a home. Some dogs are happiest and safest as working dogs,
in a different environment. Don't feel it's unfair to call it quits if
everyone, including the dog, finds that it isn't working out after a couple
of months and training for both of you.

clo

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   I was sitting at my desk about a half hour ago and looked up for a moment from the papers I was sorting.  There, on a box about six feet away, was a furry little winged creature.  I said hello and he turned his head to look at me.  I don't know a lot about bat species, but this one was larger and furrier and brown rather than black.  When I stood up to call the bat patrol he flew and the membranes of his wings were a very light brown - almost white - and translucent.  We always get bats toward the end of the summer.  They seem to seek refuge in the library around the time the students return (I'm not implying a connection, but draw your own conclusions).  I don't know whether the larger species seeks shelter earlier in the year or whether there is some other reason we are seeing them sooner. 
 
The "bat procedure" was followed to the letter.  The guy in haz-mat gear came with his coffee can.  I was sorry they had to take my little friend away, though I suppose he is ultimately happier outdoors.  They really are fascinating creatures.
 
BrP
 
 

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If you hold a dog at eye level, you'd better be ready to
back it up and put that dog on its back.

To reprimand Daisy, grab the scruff of her neck and give it
a few very strong shakes back and forth and a stern "NO!"


Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 8/7/2003 11:32:23 AM Central Daylight Time,
> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> <<
> How?
>
>
>
> The amount of blood for one thing.
>
> I don't know anything about dog training.  I've always liked cats because
> you can pick them up when they misbehave, hold them up at eye level,
> and tell them "No!"  I told Mom if she ever got a dog, to get one such as
> a Lhasa Apso or Shih Tsu, but nooooo, she always has to get a big one,
> and Daisy is a big puppy.  I've always been scared of big dogs.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> life:  music and cats."
> --Albert Schweitzer
>
>


--
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rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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That's a very good question.  There are no open windows, but they may be getting in through the ventillation system which has outdoor vents.  For some reason we seem to get them on the top floor more than anywhere else in the building - or mebbe we just notice them more.
 
BrP
 
 

>>> plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU 08/07/03 02:25PM >>>

How do the bats get into the library? Open windows?


alec

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On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> In a message dated 8/7/2003 12:01:36 PM Central Daylight Time,
> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> <<
> There have to be other alternatives. Living with someone you're afraid
> of should be unthinkable also.

>>>

> Maybe we can have her trained enough by the time she gets to be
> full-grown.  Puppy classes twice a week starting September 1st.

I wonder if you can train a dog you're afraid of. How can you
establish alpha-hood?

> I'm glad Mom's not interested in owning snakes; I'd ship her off
> to my sister's if she were.

Is your Mom going to take the dog-training classes?

Karen

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>
>The "bat procedure" was followed to the letter.  The guy in
>haz-mat gear came with his coffee can.  I was sorry they had
>to take my little friend away, though I suppose he is
>ultimately happier outdoors.  They really are fascinating creatures.
>
>BrP
>
>
>

How do the bats get into the library? Open windows?


alec

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Someone sent this to me and it made me laugh. (Especially the last
part.)

Karen

NOT TO BE OUT DONE BY EBONICS IN CALIFORNIA, THE SOUTHERN ASSOCIATION OF
COLLEGES AND SCHOOLS IS REQUESTING BILLIONS OF FEDERAL DOLLARS TO TEACH
"Y'ALLBONICS" IN ALL CLASSROOMS SOUTH OF THE MASON-DIXON LINE. INCLUDED
HERE ARE SOME SAMPLES OF Y'ALLBONICS.  IF YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND ANY OF
THEM, CONTACT YOUR CLOSEST SOUTHERN BUBBA FOR AN EXPLANATION.....

HEIDI - (noun) -Greeting.

HIRE YEW - Complete sentence. Remainder of greeting. Usage "Heidi, Hire yew?"

BARD - (verb) - Past tense of the infinitive "to borrow."
Usage "My brother bard my pickup truck."

JAWJUH - (noun) - The state north of Florida. Capitol is Lanner.
Usage "My brother from Jawjuh bard my pickup truck."

BAMMER - (noun) - The state west of Jawjuh. Capitol is Berminhayum.
Usage "A tornader jes went through Bammer an' left $20,000,000 in
improvements."

MUNTS - (noun) - A calendar division. Usage "My brother from Jawjuh
ba rd my pickup truck, and I ain't herd from him in munts.."

THANK - (verb) - Cognitive process. Usage "Ah thank ah'll have a coke."

IGNERT - (adjective) - Not smart. See "Arkansas native." Usage
"Thembammer boys sure are ignert!"

RANCH - (noun) - A tool used for tight'nin' bolts.
Usage "I thank I leff my ranch in the back of that pickup truck my brother
from Jawjuhbard a few munts ago."

ALL - (noun) - A petroleum-based lubricant.
Usage "I sure hope my brother from Jawjuh puts all in my pickup truck."

FAR - (noun) - A conflagration. Usage "If my brother from Jawjuh
don't change the all in my pickup truck, that thing's gonna catch far."

TAR - (noun) - A rubber wheel. Usage "I hope that brother of mine
from Jawjuh don't git a flat tar in my pickup truck."

TIRE - (noun) - A tall monument. Usage "Lord willin' and the creek
don't rise, sure hope to see that Eiffel Tire in Pars sometime."

RETARD - (verb) - To stop working. Usage "My grampaw retard at age 65."

FAT - (noun), (verb) - a battle or combat; to engage in battle or
combat. Usage "You younguns keep fat'n, n' ah'm gonna whup y'uh ass."

RATS - (noun) - Entitled power or privilege. Usage "We Southerners
are willin' to fat for are rats."

CHEER - (adverb) In this place. Usage "Just set that bare rat cheer."

FARN - (adjective) - Not domestic. Usage "I cuddint unnerstand a
wurdhe sed... must be from some farn country."

DID - (adjective) - Not alive. Usage "He's did, Jim."

ARE - (noun) - A colorless, odorless gas; Oxygen. Usage "He cain't
breathe...give 'im some ARE!"

BOB WAR - (noun) - A sharp, twisted cable. Usage "Boy, stay away
from that bob war fence."

JEW HERE - (noun) and (verb) contraction. Usage "Jew here that my
brother from Jawjuh got a job with that bob war fence cump'ny?"

HAZE - a contraction. Usage "Is Bubba smart?" "Nah...haz e ignert.
Heain't thanked but a minnit n'is laf."

SEED - (verb) - past tense of "to see".

VIEW - contraction (verb) and pronoun. Usage "I ain't never seed New York
City... view?"



Subject: [yucks] RE: FW: Y'all like this
From: "Rebecca Bace"


This guhl from Bammer has a koreckshun.
Thuh capitol of Bammer is not Berminhayum. It's Muntgumri.

It dun got moved by ther tornader.

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On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> We had one cat, and one dog, who had spent
> at least 3-4 months (the winter!) in the wild after being abandoned or lost
> by campers.

Argh. I'm amazed they could sruvive the Syracuse winter.

> My daughter's ocecat is even slower to warm up.

I love the way this cat looks.

> Don't feel it's unfair to call it quits if everyone, including the
> dog, finds that it isn't working out after a couple of months and
> training for both of you.

Good advice.

Karen

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02003-08-07 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Someone sent this to me and it made me laugh. (Especially the last
> part.)

It made me tense and angry.

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02003-08-06 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> This is moving eve, is it not?  When you move, how
> will all the ch*cks find you, let alone the meebers
> who care to visit you?

You have unerringly homed in on my motive, as usual ...

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On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-08-07 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Someone sent this to me and it made me laugh. (Especially the last
>> part.)

> It made me tense and angry.

Have you moved yet? When Ligniere was moving, everything made him
tense and angry.

Karen

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> >shops were so empty you maybe have never seen anything as empty in your
> life.
> >It was her last good flour, her last eggs, and I do not know what else last
> >she had mixed in the pastry already. Only her last remnants of cinnamon
> >remained intact. So much for baking sweets for her family.
>
> Not so many here, I think, can appreciate that story's urgency so well as
> you. You tell it very well.

Aamf, I do not remember even very well how it was. I know we didn't starve or
eat only, well, turnips, or what. But *how* we cooked and baked, and what
miracles we had to make in the kitchen I do not remember.

> I have had many baking disasters: when I was 12, I put a lb of butter
> instead of a stick of butter (1/4 lb) into my very first batch of homemade
> butterscotch brownies, and the adults I served them too were so polite they
> ate them!

I could have enjoyed them! How didn't most the butter melt  out from them, I
wonder.

> I need to tell you that there are recipes for breads that do have hot pepper
> in them, to be eaten with dishes like chili. It's a specialty of the upscale
> Mexican restaurant around the corner from me. So perhaps the best thing to
> do with such mistakes is to adopt an attitude of adventure, and give it an
> exotic name when serving.

In that case with my friend it should have been a *very* exotic name. She said
she added it *generously*.

Kristin

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Paul Barfoot wrote:

>    I was sitting at my desk about a half hour ago and looked up for a moment from the papers I was sorting.  There, on a box about six feet away, was a furry little winged creature.  I said hello and he turned his head to look at me.

> The "bat procedure" was followed to the letter.  The guy in haz-mat gear came with his coffee can.  I was sorry they had to take my little friend away, though I suppose he is ultimately happier outdoors.  They really are fascinating creatures.

Nice story.

Kristin

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> At 09:38 PM 8/4/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >        The Sunday paper had an article that outlined another major
> >issue with the Corp. and the Missouri River -- apparently
> >all the artificial rising and falling is kicking loose
> >Indian burial sites, which is pissing off the tribes (I'd be
> >pissed off, too) because not only are their ancesters
> >floating down river, but looters are raiding the sites for
> >artifacts.
>
> Uh oh.  P.O.d previous immigrants are not a fun group to deal with.  TVA
> had a few unpleasant experiences with Cherokees and Navajos.  Well, it will
> give the Corps something to do---locating and protecting all of the sites.

It'd satisfy me to know it is and will be done!

Kristin

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In a message dated 8/7/2003 1:26:51 PM Central Daylight Time, 
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
<<
To reprimand Daisy, grab the scruff of her neck and give it
a few very strong shakes back and forth and a stern "NO!"

>>

Thanks!  Some news I CAN use.  It turns out that Daisy
is a hunting dog, so I'm very hopeful that she can be trained.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
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In a message dated 8/7/2003 1:22:20 PM Central Daylight Time, 
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<<
I wonder if you can train a dog you're afraid of. How can you
establish alpha-hood?

>>

She's still a puppy; I can learn not to be afraid.  I may be 
brain-damaged, but I can still learn.

I hope Mom will take the course, too.  I think we
need it as much as Daisy does.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
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On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> She's still a puppy; I can learn not to be afraid.  I may be
> brain-damaged, but I can still learn.

Sorry, Evelyn, if you thought I was suggesting you can't learn. When I
suggested that having your own big dog might help you not to be
afraid, you said "No."

I think it's probably even more important to establish alphahood with
puppies.

> I hope Mom will take the course, too.  I think we
> need it as much as Daisy does.

More; what I've heard is that dog training is really training the
owners.

Karen

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In a message dated 8/7/2003 2:34:29 PM Central Daylight Time, 
BrandyKitt@AOL.COM writes:
<<
I hope Mom will take the course, too.  I think we
need it as much as Daisy does.

>>

And Daisy seems to be smarter than some of these
AOL dudes whose first IMs to a person consist of 
"age?" and "sex?"  Why can't it be something about
politics, literature, history, philosophy, or economics?
But, no, they're looking for someone they can virtually
hump.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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In a message dated 8/7/2003 2:40:56 PM Central Daylight Time, 
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<<
Sorry, Evelyn, if you thought I was suggesting you can't learn. When I
suggested that having your own big dog might help you not to be
afraid, you said "No."

>>

Maybe I should have written "It didn't before."  I don't know what will
happen.  I hope I can not be afraid.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Had to say that, Kristin, because
> Europeans think Americans are
> so puritanical.

Do they? Yes, perhaps, that, too. It is not better than to think
Americans only eat hamburgers, and to forget all about Gershwin, and
L.Bernstein, and Mark Twain, etc. Not that everybody thinks that way.

Kristin

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Ann Borkin:
= > Ann, I will come back to this when I'm feeling much more Blossom-like,
= > and have gotten over the insult of you thinking only Tushar is
= > worthy of explaining this to you.
= >
= > But in the meantime, your questions are spot on.
=
= Steph appears to have forgiven me even without an apology!
=
= Steph is a MENSCH.
=
= thanks, Steph.
=
= Ann

You're pretty cool yourself.  Everyone has a bad day.  See you in
alt.hugs.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 8/7/2003 1:26:51 PM Central Daylight Time,
> rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
> <<
> To reprimand Daisy, grab the scruff of her neck and give it
> a few very strong shakes back and forth and a stern "NO!"
>
>
>
> Thanks!  Some news I CAN use.  It turns out that Daisy
> is a hunting dog, so I'm very hopeful that she can be trained.


        What kind of hunting dog?



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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In a message dated 8/7/2003 3:46:14 PM Central Daylight Time, 
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
<<
What kind of hunting dog?

>>

Don't know; her former owner told Mom today that Daisy is a hunting
dog.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 8/7/2003 3:46:14 PM Central Daylight Time,
> rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
> <<
> What kind of hunting dog?
>
>
>
> Don't know; her former owner told Mom today that Daisy is a hunting
> dog.


        Well, hunt what?  Did he say?  Is she a beagle, a setter, a
pointer, a terrier, a greyhound?  Lots of breeds hunt.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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In a message dated 8/7/2003 3:55:20 PM Central Daylight Time, 
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
<<
    Well, hunt what?  Did he say?  Is she a beagle, a setter, a
pointer, a terrier, a greyhound?  Lots of breeds hunt.

>>

No, she didn't say.  And I don't know what breed she is; why don't
you come over and tell me?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 8/7/2003 3:55:20 PM Central Daylight Time,
> rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
> <<
>     Well, hunt what?  Did he say?  Is she a beagle, a setter, a
> pointer, a terrier, a greyhound?  Lots of breeds hunt.
>
>
>
> No, she didn't say.  And I don't know what breed she is; why don't
> you come over and tell me?


        What does she look like?  You can look on www.akc.org, too.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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http://www.viridiandesign.org/notes/351-400/00376_europe_burns.html
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Pete

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I would have posted some more on the rainbow problem today, but,
it's been one of those days.  I worked until almost nine, then we
went out to dinner, and now it's bed time.

And it's going to be another one of those days tomorrow, and
possibly all weekend long.

and man, is it hot.

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    Sissies.

JMW

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In a message dated 8/7/2003 4:12:11 PM Central Daylight Time, 
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
<<
What does she look like? 
>>

Long, narrow snout, triangular head with short, floppy ears.
Short, coarse hair that lies flat.  Heavy body.

Evelyn Duncan
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In a message dated 8/7/2003 4:28:30 PM Central Daylight Time, 
williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU writes:
<<
  Sissies.

JMW

>>

They're not used to it.  Neither was I my first summer here.

Evelyn Duncan
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At 05:29 PM 8/7/2003 -0400, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>In a message dated 8/7/2003 4:12:11 PM Central Daylight Time,
>rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
><<
>What does she look like?
> >>
>
>Long, narrow snout, triangular head with short, floppy ears.
>Short, coarse hair that lies flat.  Heavy body.

Sounds like a cross between a dachschund and a crocodile.  Good for hunting
in swampy areas.

cwv

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On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> In a message dated 8/7/2003 4:28:30 PM Central Daylight Time,
> williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU writes:
> <<
>   Sissies.

> JMW

>>>

> They're not used to it.  Neither was I my first summer here.

I'll never get used to 108, which it is at this very moment.

Karen

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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 14:15:17 -0400, Paul Barfoot <Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU> wrote:

>
>
>   I was sitting at my desk about a half hour ago and looked up for a
>moment from the papers I was sorting.  There, on a box about six feet away,
>was a furry little winged creature.  I said hello and he turned his head to
>look at me.  I don't know a lot about bat species, but this one was larger
>and furrier and brown rather than black.  When I stood up to call the bat
>patrol he flew and the membranes of his wings were a very light brown -
>almost white - and translucent.  We always get bats toward the end of the
>summer.  They seem to seek refuge in the library around the time the
>students return (I'm not implying a connection, but draw your own
>conclusions).  I don't know whether the larger species seeks shelter
>earlier in the year or whether there is some other reason we are seeing
>them sooner.

My guess is you are right. When we had two nesting colonied of different
species of bat(s?) in our house a few years ago, the smaller colony was of
"large browns".

>The "bat procedure" was followed to the letter.  The guy in haz-mat gear
>came with his coffee can.  I was sorry they had to take my little friend
>away, though I suppose he is ultimately happier outdoors.  They really are
>fascinating creatures.

D'acc. PS, if you ever have one in your house, wait till it roosts and slip
a paper grocery bag under it. Jostle it till it falls in, and and then fold
the top shut. They can't fly upward, so can't escape on their own. Since
they are protected, you can't kill it, and they can often find their way
back from anything under 30-50 miles. But you can sometimes entice them
from your house to a bathouse if you put one up; and boy do they keep the
mosquitos down!

clo

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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:27:43 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>> We had one cat, and one dog, who had spent
>> at least 3-4 months (the winter!) in the wild after being abandoned or
lost
>> by campers.
>
>Argh. I'm amazed they could sruvive the Syracuse winter.
>

Pennsylvania winters. Only 50 inches of snow, and rare to go below zero.
The cat hunted; the dog apparently ate bark and beetles.

>> My daughter's ocecat is even slower to warm up.
>
>I love the way this cat looks.

Me too. Wish I knew what breed/mix Rudyard Kitling is. Longhaired and
 boneless. I never saw such a flat cat when he spreads out!

>
>> Don't feel it's unfair to call it quits if everyone, including the
>> dog, finds that it isn't working out after a couple of months and
>> training for both of you.
>
>Good advice.
>

Thanks!

clo

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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 14:28:10 -0400, Paul Barfoot <Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU> wrote:

>
>
>That's a very good question.  There are no open windows, but they may be
getting in through the ventillation system which has outdoor vents.  For
some reason we seem to get them on the top floor more than anywhere else in
the building - or mebbe we just notice them more.
>
>BrP
>
>
>
>>>> plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU 08/07/03 02:25PM >>>
>
>How do the bats get into the library? Open windows?
>
>
>alec

We were told they could get in any openings larger than a pencil. Lots of
 those in any big building. How about open loading docks when no one's
 around?

clo

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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:21:49 +0300, Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE>
wrote:

>Carolyn Ostrander wrote:


>> I need to tell you that there are recipes for breads that do have hot
pepper
>> in them, to be eaten with dishes like chili. It's a specialty of the
upscale
>> Mexican restaurant around the corner from me. So perhaps the best thing
to
>> do with such mistakes is to adopt an attitude of adventure, and give it
an
>> exotic name when serving.
>
>In that case with my friend it should have been a *very* exotic name. She
said
>she added it *generously*.
>
>Kristin

"Fireballs" for muffins, or "Hotter Cross Buns", perhaps.
clo

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02003-08-07 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > Had to say that, Kristin, because
> > Europeans think Americans are
> > so puritanical.
>
> Do they? Yes, perhaps, that, too. It is not better than to think
> Americans only eat hamburgers, and to forget all about Gershwin, and
> L.Bernstein, and Mark Twain, etc. Not that everybody thinks that way.

Of course not. Just Europeans.

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AnnB:

>It was a MISTAKE, Rashmi, a MISTAKE!    They both begin with 'c'

Sorry, didn't mean to go all Buttercup (or do I mean Blossom) on
you. I can never keep baking soda and baking powder straight.
I double-check and triple-check and still get it wrong.

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02003-08-07 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-08-07 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> Someone sent this to me and it made me laugh. (Especially the last
> >> part.)
>
> > It made me tense and angry.
>
> Have you moved yet? When Ligniere was moving, everything made him
> tense and angry.

Fascinating theory , K*r*n ...

Actually, my move featured:

* Three non-strenuous days of packing
* Two hours of moving
* Less than estimated moving bill
* Money from returned boxes
* Consequent high tipping of movers

Therefore, it is clearly something else that is making me
tense and angry. What could it be?

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steph:

>And it's going to be another one of those days tomorrow, and
>possibly all weekend long.

I had a really strange day - my last day unexpectedly got moved
up by a week. I went in this morning expecting to work until next
Thursday but had to clear out my office and ended the day with
an "exit" interview.

I'm still a little stunned.

I'll save the good news for a different post ...

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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:54:37 +0000, Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:

>AnnB:
>
>>It was a MISTAKE, Rashmi, a MISTAKE!    They both begin with 'c'
>
>Sorry, didn't mean to go all Buttercup (or do I mean Blossom) on
>you. I can never keep baking soda and baking powder straight.
>I double-check and triple-check and still get it wrong.
>

Yeah, that can yield some interesting results. But baking powder is just
the fancier version of what used to be "sal and soda" (double acting so
it keeps working after the first fizzing is over).
If you add soda instead of powder by mistake, adding cream of tartar gets
 you to the right ballpark, but a little salty. If you add powder instead
of soda, it will rise more than you want, and can taste metallic after it's
"rizz".

clo

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02003-08-07 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Therefore, it is clearly something else that is making me
> > tense and angry. What could it be?
>
> I'm thinking 'lack of good hea....'

I worry about your imagination.

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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:04:39 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:

>02003-08-07 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > Therefore, it is clearly something else that is making me
>> > tense and angry. What could it be?
>>
>> I'm thinking 'lack of good hea....'
>
>I worry about your imagination.

I apologize for your worry.
clo

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02003-08-07 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:04:39 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
> >02003-08-07 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> > Therefore, it is clearly something else that is making me
> >> > tense and angry. What could it be?
> >>
> >> I'm thinking 'lack of good hea....'
> >
> >I worry about your imagination.
>
> I apologize for your worry.

You are a kind and thoughtful person.

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I found a new job right here in Glasgow, Delaware. It's a full-time
position with Dade Behring in their engineering department. They
make laboratory diagnostic equipment so I move from clinical
radiology to clinical chemistry. I start September 8.

It all happened very fast (and given the events of today) with perfect
timing. I had contacted them back in May when the first rumors
began flying about the site closing. The initial info was that they
wouldn't be hiring this year and I had given up on them by
Acadiafest. Three weeks ago, out of the blue, I get a call and
screening interview from their HR, they call me in for an
interview and grill me for 4-1/2 hours, call me three days
later and offer me the job!!!!! It's all signed and final now and
I can talk about it. I still can't believe it. I'm so relieved. I hadn't
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On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> I found a new job right here in Glasgow, Delaware. It's a full-time
> position with Dade Behring in their engineering department. They
> make laboratory diagnostic equipment so I move from clinical
> radiology to clinical chemistry. I start September 8.

I'm glad for you, but I still hate you.

Karen

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In a message dated 8/7/2003 10:27:30 AM, BrandyKitt@AOL.COM writes:

>Gnawing is different from outright trying to take one's hand off.
>
>The biscuits divert her attention.  And she's not a mean dog;
>
>she's actually quite friendly.
>
>
Never had a dog that did that, and I've had quite a few. However my new kitty
attacks anyone's hand if she gets the chance.
Theo

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The "bat procedure" was followed to the letter.  The guy in haz-mat gear
came with his coffee can.  I was sorry they had to take my little friend
away, though I suppose he is ultimately happier outdoors.  They really
are fascinating creatures.

BrP


They took him directly to
the belfry, no doubt.

          - D. M.

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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:59:59 -0500
From: Karen Kay <Karen@WordWrite.com>
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On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> Sorry, didn't mean to go all Buttercup (or do I mean Blossom) on
> you. I can never keep baking soda and baking powder straight.
> I double-check and triple-check and still get it wrong.

Well, they both begin with baking...

I used to confuse them, till I read something about the difference
between the two, and now I can keep them straight.

I don't remember where I read this, but here's a boring web page with
the same information:
http://users.rcn.com/sue.interport/food/bakgsoda.html

Karen

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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:00:43 -0500
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On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Therefore, it is clearly something else that is making me
> tense and angry. What could it be?

I'm thinking 'lack of good hea....'

Karen

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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:01:14 +0000, Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:

>steph:
>
>>And it's going to be another one of those days tomorrow, and
>>possibly all weekend long.
>
>I had a really strange day - my last day unexpectedly got moved
>up by a week. I went in this morning expecting to work until next
>Thursday but had to clear out my office and ended the day with
>an "exit" interview.
>
>I'm still a little stunned.
>
>I'll save the good news for a different post ...

Thanks for indicating that there is good news!
I have seen this happen before - often with the notion that in the last
week, people are most prone to walk with state secrets, paper clips, etc.

clo

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On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> I had a really strange day - my last day unexpectedly got moved
> up by a week. I went in this morning expecting to work until next
> Thursday but had to clear out my office and ended the day with
> an "exit" interview.

> I'm still a little stunned.

Bleah. That kind of thing can be very tough. Did they walk you out
after the interview?

> I'll save the good news for a different post ...

Bated breath, baby!

Karen

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In a message dated 8/7/2003 6:04:15 PM Central Daylight Time, 
clostran@SYR.EDU writes:
<<
Thanks for indicating that there is good news!
I have seen this happen before - often with the notion that in the last
week, people are most prone to walk with state secrets, paper clips, etc.

>>

That's what happened to me at Sears.  I put in a two-weeks' notice but
only got to work for one week.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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life:  music and cats."
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In a message dated 8/7/2003 6:12:04 PM Central Daylight Time, 
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<<
I found a new job right here in Glasgow, Delaware. It's a full-time
position with Dade Behring in their engineering department. They
make laboratory diagnostic equipment so I move from clinical
radiology to clinical chemistry. I start September 8.

>>

Congratulations!

Evelyn Duncan
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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

>I found a new job right here in Glasgow, Delaware. It's a full-time
>position with Dade Behring in their engineering department. They

Cool!!! And you get a little vacation!

Bethany

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Karen:

>I'm glad for you, but I still hate you.

Go ahead - I have the worst case of survivor's guilt ...

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Subject: Re: Rainbow architecture
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02003-08-06 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> But:  which is the adjacent side?  Aren't both lines that make up the
> right angle both adjacent to the opposite side?

The terms we are talking about are:

1 An angle as measured in degrees.
2 Three trigonometric ratios (numbers) associated with the
  angle: sine (abbreviated sin), cosine (abbreviated cos)
  and tangent (abbreviated tan). The "tangent" of an angle
  is generally the relevant ratio for "how high"-type
  questions.

Now the "standard picture" (accept no substitute):

         /|
    h   / |
       /  |
      /   | o
     /    |
  A /     |
   --------
       a

This is a triangle with the angle "A" in question in the
bottom left. The bottom right is a right angle, and the
top angle is whatever it is where the lines meet (you
can't choose it, it is forced to be 90 - A degrees).

sine of A, cosine of A and tangent of A are various ratios
of the lengths o, a and h. "o" is called the "opposite side",
h the "hypotenuse", and a the "adjacent side". Which of the
two adjacent arms is the "adjacent side"? The one which
reaches to the right angle. The hypotenuse is the one
opposite the right angle.

tan(A) is the ratio o/a.

Now the question arises: doesn't this depend on o and a?
Formally, yes. However, suppose you drew another triangle
with the same angles, (A, right angle, and the third one),
and "a" were twice the length. The other two sides will
also be twice the length. This takes a bit of convincing
but let's assume it for now--it's nothing much more complex
than scaling. Anyhow, this means the RATIO, o/a, stays the
same. In other words, the ratio is determined not by the
size of the triangle but solely by the angle A, and is hence
"a property of" the angle A.

In other words, the tangent of an angle is a number completely
determined by the degrees in that angle--which is why "angle
to tan" tables can be tabulated, and are. But the more important
point is, knowing the angle A and the "adjacent side" a, you
can find the length of the "opposite side" o.

>From physics, we know that if the adjacent side was along the
ground and the apex was the topmost point of a rainbow, the
angle A is 42.something degrees. Hence, if you know how far
it is (a), you know how high it is (o).

PS: The anticlimax is that tan(42) is close to 1, so it's about
as tall as it's far. How "far" is it? Or more importantly, if
you walk towards it, does it mean it closes down on you? That
shows the absurdity of the question. Another absurd thing is
the implication that somehow knowing the "distance to" a
rainbow is tractable. Just look at a sprinkler rainbow from
up close and from far away, and let's see what it suggests...

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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:49:39 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:

>Well maybe I should mention that effective August 1, T Bone
>has only worked half time ... I had long planned to ask for
>a less radical reduction, but they dropped this on me. I can
>"lodge and board" fine, and have no inherent drive to seek
>a job, so I will be staring into space two days of the week--
>or hopefully doing some useful volunteer work explaining
>trigonometry to ungrateful old ladies.

Ouch.
clo

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02003-08-07 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:49:39 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
>
> >Well maybe I should mention that effective August 1, T Bone
> >has only worked half time ... I had long planned to ask for
> >a less radical reduction, but they dropped this on me. I can
> >"lodge and board" fine, and have no inherent drive to seek
> >a job, so I will be staring into space two days of the week--
> >or hopefully doing some useful volunteer work explaining
> >trigonometry to ungrateful old ladies.
>
> Ouch.

YOU are supposed to pinch ME.

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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:11:49 +0000, Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:

>I found a new job right here in Glasgow, Delaware. It's a full-time
>position with Dade Behring in their engineering department. They
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>
YYaaYY!!!!
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In a message dated 8/7/2003 6:22:30 PM Central Daylight Time, 
Dutchessg1@AOL.COM writes:
<<
Never had a dog that did that, and I've had quite a few. However my new kitty
attacks anyone's hand if she gets the chance.

>>

The first summer we had Sweetie I had to wear shoes to bed because
she would attack my feet.

Evelyn Duncan
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In a message dated 8/7/2003 12:28:54 PM, Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU writes:

>There are no open windows, but they may be getting in through the
ventillation
>system which has outdoor vents.  For some reason we seem to get them on
>the top floor more than anywhere else in the building - or mebbe we just
>notice them more.

We had lotsa bats when we lived in Wisconsin. They didn't bother me, but my
ex was petrified by them. I never believed the stories about them hurting
humans.But then, I don't believe lotsa stories!
Theo

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Well maybe I should mention that effective August 1, T Bone
has only worked half time ... I had long planned to ask for
a less radical reduction, but they dropped this on me. I can
"lodge and board" fine, and have no inherent drive to seek
a job, so I will be staring into space two days of the week--
or hopefully doing some useful volunteer work explaining
trigonometry to ungrateful old ladies.

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02003-08-07 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> Go back to thinking about comparing the rainbow triangle to one
> which is exactly a mile high and a mile away.  Compare the angle
> of that triangle with the rainbow triangle.  What does 42.3
> degrees mean to you?  How does that angle compare to the mile
> high triangle?

Knowledge won't arise by this kind of prodding. You have to force
it down their throats.

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In a message dated 8/7/2003 2:52:23 PM, BrandyKitt@AOL.COM writes:

>Don't know; her former owner told Mom today that Daisy is a hunting
>
>dog.

I've had a Labrador who was as gentle as you'd want.
Theo

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6:11 PM
Subject: somebody pinch me


> I found a new job right here in Glasgow, Delaware. It's a full-time
> position with Dade Behring in their engineering department. They
> make laboratory diagnostic equipment so I move from clinical
> radiology to clinical chemistry. I start September 8.
>
> It all happened very fast (and given the events of today) with perfect
> timing. I had contacted them back in May when the first rumors
> began flying about the site closing. The initial info was that they
> wouldn't be hiring this year and I had given up on them by
> Acadiafest. Three weeks ago, out of the blue, I get a call and
> screening interview from their HR, they call me in for an
> interview and grill me for 4-1/2 hours, call me three days
> later and offer me the job!!!!! It's all signed and final now and
> I can talk about it. I still can't believe it. I'm so relieved. I
hadn't
> interviewed or updated my resume in six years and the whole
> process still seems like a dream.
>
> _________________________________________________________________

Consider yourself pinched!  And
congratulations!  Wonderful news.

          - D. M.

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In a message dated 8/7/2003 5:12:04 PM, rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

>It's all signed and final now and
>I can talk about it. I still can't believe it. I'm so relieved. I hadn't
>interviewed or updated my resume in six years and the whole
>process still seems like a dream.
>
Congratulations. Isn't it much better than a nightmare?
Theo

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In a message dated 8/7/2003 7:22:52 PM Central Daylight Time, 
adamh1@COMCAST.NET writes:
<<
I'm Slackware Linux.

I'd rather be VMS.

>>

I wonder if VM/CMS or IBM Systerm/370 is one of the choices.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 19:01:24 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:

>02003-08-07 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
>> On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:49:39 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
wrote:
>>
>> >Well maybe I should mention that effective August 1, T Bone
>> >has only worked half time ... I had long planned to ask for
>> >a less radical reduction, but they dropped this on me. I can
>> >"lodge and board" fine, and have no inherent drive to seek
>> >a job, so I will be staring into space two days of the week--
>> >or hopefully doing some useful volunteer work explaining
>> >trigonometry to ungrateful old ladies.
>>
>> Ouch.
>
>YOU are supposed to pinch ME.

Slow reflexes and brothers who were big on give-backs.
clo

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> http://bbspot.com/News/2003/01/os_quiz.php
>
> Karen

I'm Slackware Linux.

I'd rather be VMS.

--Adam
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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> John's list mail is bouncing wickedly - 68 bounces today alone. Does
> *.MC.MARICOPA.EDU still exist? It's not pingable.

    Our DNS server (ain't that repetitive, like Mount Fujiyama?) crashed
like the Hindenberg at 1500 hours yesterday.  G**damn upgrades...  And
as always no one told us plebes squat.  Seems to be okay now, anyhoo.
Are we?

JMW

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> OK, then I would like to be Ryoko.

Ancient evil mummy Ryoko, or space pirate Ryoko?

(Someday I have to see those series in the original Japanese...)

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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At 11:11 PM 8/7/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>later and offer me the job!!!!! It's all signed and final now and
>I can talk about it. I still can't believe it. I'm so relieved. I hadn't
>interviewed or updated my resume in six years and the whole
>process still seems like a dream.

Fantastic!  Happy for you.

Betty

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In a message dated 8/7/2003 7:56:59 PM Central Daylight Time, 
adamh1@COMCAST.NET writes:
<<
Ancient evil mummy Ryoko, or space pirate Ryoko?

>>

Ryoko after she was resurrected by Tenchi in the 
first series.  I was able to get all the uncut 
Tenchi Muyo series, but they're dubbed.  And these
are the ones that Cartoon Network didn't get their
hands on, so Ryoko and Ayeka are properly nude
in the bath scene.

I never could warm up to Kiyone; if she didn't want
to deal with Mihoshi, she could have requested a
transfer. 

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:47:20 -0700, John Williams
<williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU> wrote:

>Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
>> John's list mail is bouncing wickedly - 68 bounces today alone. Does
>> *.MC.MARICOPA.EDU still exist? It's not pingable.
>
>    Our DNS server (ain't that repetitive, like Mount Fujiyama?) crashed
>like the Hindenberg at 1500 hours yesterday.  G**damn upgrades...  And
>as always no one told us plebes squat.  Seems to be okay now, anyhoo.
>Are we?
>
>JMW

I don't think I'm qualified to answer that question.
Amy might know!

clo

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        Sounds like a hound of some sort.  It will eat the apartment.

Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 8/7/2003 4:12:11 PM Central Daylight Time,
> rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
> <<
> What does she look like?
>
>
> Long, narrow snout, triangular head with short, floppy ears.
> Short, coarse hair that lies flat.  Heavy body.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> life:  music and cats."
> --Albert Schweitzer
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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> later and offer me the job!!!!! It's all signed and final now and
> I can talk about it. I still can't believe it. I'm so relieved. I hadn't
> interviewed or updated my resume in six years and the whole
> process still seems like a dream.

Congratulations, Rashmi! I'm happy for you.

I wish something like that would happen to Karen. :sigh:

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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In a message dated 8/7/2003 8:27:43 PM Central Daylight Time, 
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
<<
Sounds like a hound of some sort.  It will eat the apartment.

>>

When we take her for walks, she sniffs the ground as she
walks.

She has several chew toys, including a Shamu.  She also
loves to chew on Aquafina bottles; we make sure to take
the caps off.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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In a message dated 8/7/2003 8:31:28 PM Central Daylight Time, 
adamh1@COMCAST.NET writes:
<<
I wish something like that would happen to Karen. :sigh:


>>

Me, too.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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        Natalie's hound ate an entire couch.

Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 8/7/2003 8:27:43 PM Central Daylight Time,
> rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
> <<
> Sounds like a hound of some sort.  It will eat the apartment.
>
>
>
> When we take her for walks, she sniffs the ground as she
> walks.
>
> She has several chew toys, including a Shamu.  She also
> loves to chew on Aquafina bottles; we make sure to take
> the caps off.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> life:  music and cats."
> --Albert Schweitzer
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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> I wonder if VM/CMS or IBM System/370 is one of the choices.

My guess is that hip quizwriters have no idea that those OSes exist, let
alone are in wide use.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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But it was an ugly couch.

Betty

At 08:37 PM 8/7/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>        Natalie's hound ate an entire couch.
>
>Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
>>In a message dated 8/7/2003 8:27:43 PM Central Daylight Time,
>>rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>><<
>>Sounds like a hound of some sort.  It will eat the apartment.
>>
>>
>>
>>When we take her for walks, she sniffs the ground as she
>>walks.
>>
>>She has several chew toys, including a Shamu.  She also
>>loves to chew on Aquafina bottles; we make sure to take
>>the caps off.
>>
>>Evelyn Duncan
>>brandykitt@aol.com
>>"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
>>life:  music and cats."
>>--Albert Schweitzer
>>
>
>
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>

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> Are we?
>
> JMW

Seems to be better; I'll know for sure when I get today's error report
tomorrow.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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In a message dated 8/7/2003 8:38:22 PM Central Daylight Time, 
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
<<
Natalie's hound ate an entire couch.

>>

Daisy's not interested in furniture.

Just took her out for a walk, and she was so excited
when we got back that Mom had to put her in her
carrier for a time out.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> >trigonometry to ungrateful old ladies.
>
> Ouch.
> clo

Well how do you think *I* feel?

Ann

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On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> Don't know.  I hate to give her up without having had the proper
> training.

You and your mom may not be the right people to train her.

Karen

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In a message dated 8/7/2003 8:46:11 PM Central Daylight Time, 
adamh1@COMCAST.NET writes:
<<
My guess is that hip quizwriters have no idea that those OSes exist, let
alone are in wide use.

>>

Pity.  I miss VM, and I still have my IBM 370 Assembler books.
If I brush up on my computer skills, what jobs could I get?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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> If I brush up on my computer skills, what jobs could I get?

Beats me. Insurance company? Airline? Supermarket chain's computer
department?

I have no idea what the job market is now - I've been at the same company
for almost 11 years now.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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> I hope so.  It's the last day of my 4 days off after
> working 8 days in a row.  I'll be working at least
> 5 days in a row, and I suspect that it will be 10.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> life:  music and cats."
> --Albert Schweitzer

Was it a good day?  Did you find your glasses?



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In a message dated 8/7/2003 9:12:09 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Was it a good day?  Did you find your glasses?

>>

Didn't find my glasses; I put super glue on the temple
of the broken ones; that's holding, but the frames don't
fit anymore.  I have an appointment for an eye exam
tomorrow, which means that I will have new glasses on
Saturday.  I didn't want to have to buy new ones, but
things have been going like that lately.

I hope Daisy settles down; giving her back means that
she goes to the pound.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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Not a formal quiz, but... I stumped the toilet guy at Walmart when I
told him how my toilet works.

There is no float.

There is a valve on the lefthand bottom of the tank that controls
water flowing into the toilet. There is a flapper and an overflow
tube, and a rubber tube going from the overflow valve to the valve on
the bottom of the tank.

It's leaking.

I replaced the flapper, and it's still leaking. How do I figure out
where it's leaking?

Karen

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In a message dated 8/7/2003 9:17:29 PM Central Daylight Time, 
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<<
I replaced the flapper, and it's still leaking. How do I figure out
where it's leaking?

>>

Is the flapper sitting flat?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> I hope Daisy settles down; giving her back means that
> she goes to the pound.

Doesn't Tulsa have no-kill shelters?

Karen

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On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> In a message dated 8/7/2003 9:17:29 PM Central Daylight Time,
> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> <<
> I replaced the flapper, and it's still leaking. How do I figure out
> where it's leaking?

>>>

> Is the flapper sitting flat?

Yes.

Karen

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In a message dated 8/7/2003 9:19:45 PM Central Daylight Time, 
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Doesn't Tulsa have no-kill shelters?

>>

Don't know.  I hate to give her up without having had the proper
training.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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In a message dated 8/7/2003 9:22:54 PM Central Daylight Time, 
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<<
Don't know.  I hate to give her up without having had the proper
training.

>>

After all, Sweetie was a wild child before she settled down.
If we had given her up during her first summer just because
she attacked my feet at night, I wouldn't have my baby girl
now.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
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In a message dated 8/7/2003 9:24:07 PM Central Daylight Time, 
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You and your mom may not be the right people to train her.

>>

I want to give it a chance, though.

Evelyn Duncan
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life:  music and cats."
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  I have an appointment for an eye exam
> tomorrow, which means that I will have new glasses
> on
> Saturday.  I didn't want to have to buy new ones,
> but
> things have been going like that lately.

If you have my kind of luck, the glasses will turn up
after you've gotten the new ones.
>
> I hope Daisy settles down; giving her back means
> that
> she goes to the pound.

Don't give up on Daisy yet.  She is probably so
excited by the outdoors, BECAUSE she does have some
hound in her.  You and your mother are her mistresses,
and as Rita says, you need to be firm with her.  It
would seem a shame for the two of you to miss out on a
sweet-natured puppy, as you describe her.  Puppies
take more patience than kittens, because they need
role models.

I hope this works out for all four of you.


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On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> After all, Sweetie was a wild child before she settled down.
> If we had given her up during her first summer just because
> she attacked my feet at night, I wouldn't have my baby girl
> now.

Um, yeah.

Remember that woman who was killed in San Francisco? I think that's
what the dog owners thought, too.

Karen

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On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> In a message dated 8/7/2003 9:24:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> <<
> You and your mom may not be the right people to train her.

>>>

> I want to give it a chance, though.

Oh, sure.

Karen

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In a message dated 8/7/2003 9:27:47 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Don't give up on Daisy yet.  She is probably so
excited by the outdoors, BECAUSE she does have some
hound in her.  
>>

On our walks, I make sure she follows the path I choose,
even though she wants to follow her own.

I'm not giving up, not for now.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> After all, Sweetie was a wild child before she settled down.
>> If we had given her up during her first summer just because
>> she attacked my feet at night, I wouldn't have my baby girl
>> now.
>
>Um, yeah.
>
>Remember that woman who was killed in San Francisco? I think that's
>what the dog owners thought, too.

I don't think so.

Bethany

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>          /|
>     h   / |
>        /  |
>       /   | o
>      /    |
>   A /     |
>    --------
>        a
  Just look at a sprinkler
> rainbow from
> up close and from far away, and let's see what it
suggests...

I was hesitant to delete any of that, as it made it
all crystal clear.


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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> The terms we are talking about are:
>
> 1 An angle as measured in degrees.
> 2 Three trigonometric ratios (numbers) associated with the
>   angle: sine (abbreviated sin), cosine (abbreviated cos)
>   and tangent (abbreviated tan). The "tangent" of an angle
>   is generally the relevant ratio for "how high"-type
>   questions.
I AM WRITING IN CAPS FOR A DIALOG:

IT'S HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND TANGENT IN TERMS OF A RATIO.
>
> Now the "standard picture" (accept no substitute):
>
>          /|
>     h   / |
>        /  |
>       /   | o
>      /    |
>   A /     |
>    --------
>        a
>
> This is a triangle with the angle "A" in question in the
> bottom left. The bottom right is a right angle, and the
> top angle is whatever it is where the lines meet (you
> can't choose it, it is forced to be 90 - A degrees).
>
> sine of A, cosine of A and tangent of A are various ratios
> of the lengths o, a and h. "o" is called the "opposite side",
> h the "hypotenuse", and a the "adjacent side". Which of the
> two adjacent arms is the "adjacent side"? The one which
> reaches to the right angle. The hypotenuse is the one
> opposite the right angle.

OK, SO IN A RIGHT TRIANGLE THE HYPOTENUSE IS ALWAYS THE SAME, BUT
OPPOSITE AND ADJACENT ARE RELATIVE TO WHICH OF THE SMALLER ANGLES YOU'RE
INTERESTED IN.

> > tan(A) is the ratio o/a.
>
> Now the question arises: doesn't this depend on o and a?
> Formally, yes. However, suppose you drew another triangle
> with the same angles, (A, right angle, and the third one),
> and "a" were twice the length. The other two sides will
> also be twice the length. This takes a bit of convincing
> but let's assume it for now--it's nothing much more complex
> than scaling. Anyhow, this means the RATIO, o/a, stays the
> same. In other words, the ratio is determined not by the
> size of the triangle but solely by the angle A, and is hence
> "a property of" the angle A.
>
> In other words, the tangent of an angle is a number completely
> determined by the degrees in that angle--which is why "angle
> to tan" tables can be tabulated, and are.

OK, OK SO FAR.  I JUST LEARNED ELSEWHERE THAT "RATIONAL NUMBERS" ARE
FRACTIONS.  SO FRACTIONS ARE NUMBERS, AND I GUESS RATIOS ARE NUMBERS TOO,
THEN - OTHERWISE I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU SAY THE TANGENT OF AN ANGLE
IS A -NUMBER- WHEN YOU HAD SAID IT WAS A RATIO.

 But the more important
> point is, knowing the angle A and the "adjacent side" a, you
> can find the length of the "opposite side" o.

OK, BUT HOW?  I STILL DON'T KNOW HOW.

THE OTHER HELPING WORDSLERS TALK ABOUT DIVISION.  AND I KNOW THAT FOR
EXAMPLE 1/4 IS EQUAL TO 1 DIVIDED BY 4.  SO SOMEHOW I AM PROBABLY SUPPOSED
TO USE ALGEBRA TO GET THE LENGTH OF O.
I AM SUPPOSED TO TURN THAT RATIO INTO A FRACTION, AND THE TOP PART WILL BE
UNKNOWN BUT THE BOTTOM PART IS ONE MILE.  A MILE IS 5280 FEET.  SO MAYBE
THE BOTTOMM PART IS 5280.

 > > >From physics, we
know that if the adjacent side was
along the > ground and the apex was the topmost point of a rainbow, the
> angle A is 42.something degrees. Hence, if you know how far
> it is (a), you know how high it is (o).

HENCE SCHMENCE!  WHAT WOULD THE FORMULA BE?  WHERE WOULD I STICK IN THE
DEGREES?

RICHARD SAYS THE TANGENT OF AN ANGLE IS JUST THE LENGTH OF O DIVIDED BY
THE LENGTH OF A.  WELL OK, THEN TANGENT = X/1 (MILE).  WHERE DOES THAT GET
ME?  WHERE DO I PLUG IN THE DEGREES OF THE ANGLE?


OH OK, RICHARD SAYS IF YOU KNOW HOW FAR AWAY THE RAINBOW IS, MULTIPLY BY
THE TANGENT OF THAT ANGLE, AND YOU KNOW HOW HIGH THE RAINBOW IS.  WELL THE
RAINBOW IS 1 MILE AWAY. AND THE TANGENT IS X/1.  SO MULTIPLY X/1 TIMES 1.

WELL, THAT WOULD BE X/1.  BUT I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT X IS.

> > PS: The anticlimax is that tan(42) is close to 1, so it's
about > as tall as it's far. How "far" is it? Or more importantly, if
> you walk towards it, does it mean it closes down on you? That
> shows the absurdity of the question. Another absurd thing is
> the implication that somehow knowing the "distance to" a
> rainbow is tractable.

WHAT MEANS TRACTABLE, I'M SMELLING A TECHNICAL TERM.  YOU MEAN 'TRACTABLE'
LIKE 'SOLVABLE'?  NO, PROBABLY NOT.  SO NOW I HAVE A WORD PROBLEM.

 Just
look at a sprinkler rainbow
from > up close and from far away, and let's see what it suggests...

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS, IT WOULD BE THE same RAINBOW, WOULD IT?  HEY,
NOW WE COULD HAVE A DUMMIFIED PHILOSOPHICAL TUTORIAL!

I THINK IT'S TIME SOMEBODY JUST GAVE ME THE ANSWER AND HOW THEY CAME UP
WITH IT; THEN I WOULD TRY TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

THANKS VERY MUCH, TUSHAR

Ann

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> On our walks, I make sure she follows the path I
> choose,
> even though she wants to follow her own.
>
> I'm not giving up, not for now.

YaYY!
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> life:  music and cats."
> --Albert Schweitzer


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On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Remember that woman who was killed in San Francisco? I think that's
>>what the dog owners thought, too.

> I don't think so.

I do. They were entirely deluded about their ability to control those
dogs. (And they were afraid of them.)

Karen

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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
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> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS, IT WOULD BE THE same RAINBOW, WOULD IT?  HEY,
> NOW WE COULD HAVE A DUMMIFIED PHILOSOPHICAL TUTORIAL!

I meant, it wouldn't be the SAME rainbow, would it?

Ann

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> Remember that woman who was killed in San Francisco?
> I think that's
> what the dog owners thought, too.
>
> Karen

Those dogs were of an obscure breed specially bred and
raised to be very aggressive.  Mixed breed mutts of
Daisy's style are a far cry from those dogs.  IMO,
mixed breed dogs are not nearly as neurotic,
belligerent, or sissified as a lot of pure breeds.
That is just MO.


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On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>>
>> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS, IT WOULD BE THE same RAINBOW, WOULD IT?  HEY,
>> NOW WE COULD HAVE A DUMMIFIED PHILOSOPHICAL TUTORIAL!

> I meant, it wouldn't be the SAME rainbow, would it?

Where is Bonnie when you need her?!

Karen

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> Where is Bonnie when you need her?!

Actually, where IS Bonnie?  Was her gracious thanks to all who attended
the Fest, a goodbye blessing to the lot of you? (the lot of us?)

Ann

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> www.penzeys.com
>
> cwv

Think I'll get a couple of spools of yellow thread.


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That the valve controls the overflow level, too. Kind of interesting.
Much simpler than the kind with a float.

Have any of you seen a toilet like this? No one I've talked to IRL has
ever seen one like this.

Karen

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On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> Actually, where IS Bonnie?

Probably still busy apologizing for me.

Karen

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On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> And I have just been asked to translate for a
>> speaker of Tarascan this
>> afternoon in federal court (I can't).
>>
>> Bethany

> What is the origin of Tarascan?

http://www.bartleby.com/61/61/T0046150.html

Karen

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--- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> On Thursday, August 07, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> >> And I have just been asked to translate for a
> >> speaker of Tarascan this
> >> afternoon in federal court (I can't).
> >>
> >> Bethany
>
> > What is the origin of Tarascan?
>
> http://www.bartleby.com/61/61/T0046150.html
>
> Karen

Thank you.  I should have looked it up myself.  Very
interesting, something else new to me.


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On Thursday, August 07, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> Mt. Desert Islander, Thursday, August 7, 2003---

> A Strawberry Hill resident called police on the morning of August 4 after
> finding his mailbox filled with applesauce and flour.

> cwv

> No mention of whether cumin was involved.

LOL. Does this happen every year?!

It was 108 today, at 6pm.

Karen

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Mt. Desert Islander, Thursday, August 7, 2003---

A Strawberry Hill resident called police on the morning of August 4 after
finding his mailbox filled with applesauce and flour.

cwv

No mention of whether cumin was involved.

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Espen,

Last night I listened to some of the jazz recordings
you sent via link to your Norwegian library.  I LIKED
it because I love vintage music - or anything vintage,
for that matter.  How does "kaba" translate in this
context.

Thank you for sharing the music.

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> And I have just been asked to translate for a
> speaker of Tarascan this
> afternoon in federal court (I can't).
>
> Bethany

What is the origin of Tarascan?


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> On Thursday, August 07, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> > Mt. Desert Islander, Thursday, August 7, 2003---
>
> > A Strawberry Hill resident called police on the morning of August 4
after
> > finding his mailbox filled with applesauce and flour.
>
> > cwv
>
> > No mention of whether cumin was involved.


He didn't think he had anything
cumin in the mail.

         - D. M.

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> He didn't think he had anything
> cumin in the mail.
>
>          - D. M.

I repeat, YaY!


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>>But the more important
>>point is, knowing the angle A and the "adjacent side" a, you
> > can find the length of the "opposite side" o.

>OK, BUT HOW?  I STILL DON'T KNOW HOW.

Trigonometric tables contain pre-calculated trig ratios
for all angles from 0 to 90 degrees. So you look up
tangent of the angle 42 (which is approximately equal
to 1). Now use tan A = o/a. I can't remember what
you're trying to solve for but now you just have
the one unknown. Hope that's clear as mud, Ann.

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Ann Borkin writes,

>RICHARD SAYS THE TANGENT OF AN ANGLE IS JUST THE LENGTH OF O DIVIDED BY
>THE LENGTH OF A.  WELL OK, THEN TANGENT = X/1 (MILE).  WHERE DOES THAT GET
>ME?  WHERE DO I PLUG IN THE DEGREES OF THE ANGLE?

You use the degrees of the angle to look up the tangent in a table.  (Well,
used to -- now you do the same thing with a calculator.)  That's the cool
trick here, that given the angle, there's a way to look up the tangent.

My calculator says the tangent of 42.33 degrees is 0.9109 or so.

Since tangent = opposite/adjacent, we can also say that opposite =
tangent*adjacent, and have a plug 'n' solve equation.   Looks like a
rainbow 5,280 feet away is 0.9109*5,280 = almost 4,810 feet high.

Not that you need it, but there's more verbiage and diagrams at Dave's
Short Trig Course <http://babbage.clarku.edu/~djoyce/java/trig/>.  The
pages on angles, sines, cosines and tangents will contribute more data and
sample problems with hints and solutions, at the least.

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At 1:12 PM -0700 8/6/03, Marty Rosen wrote:
>Are you as dull as you seem, or are you simply an intellectual chamelion

I pop my nose in here merely to introduce this proposition: no misspletting
is ever wasted.

Ken Miller
William S. Burroughs Xenovirolinguistic Research Facility

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At 3:30AM, it's 87 degrees.

Karen

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Rashmi Murthy
>Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 7:12 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: somebody pinch me
>
>
>I found a new job right here in Glasgow, Delaware. It's a full-time
>position with Dade Behring in their engineering department. They
>make laboratory diagnostic equipment so I move from clinical
>radiology to clinical chemistry. I start September 8.
>
>It all happened very fast (and given the events of today) with perfect
>timing. I had contacted them back in May when the first rumors
>began flying about the site closing. The initial info was that they
>wouldn't be hiring this year and I had given up on them by
>Acadiafest. Three weeks ago, out of the blue, I get a call and
>screening interview from their HR, they call me in for an
>interview and grill me for 4-1/2 hours, call me three days
>later and offer me the job!!!!! It's all signed and final now and
>I can talk about it. I still can't believe it. I'm so
>relieved. I hadn't
>interviewed or updated my resume in six years and the whole
>process still seems like a dream.
>

Very cool. No unemployment or anything. Keep on rocking.


alec

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At 08:43 PM 8/7/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > He didn't think he had anything
> > cumin in the mail.
> >
> >          - D. M.
>
>I repeat, YaY!

Please, don't encourage her.

;-->

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At 10:29 PM 8/7/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Thursday, August 07, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> > Mt. Desert Islander, Thursday, August 7, 2003---
>
> > A Strawberry Hill resident called police on the morning of August 4 after
> > finding his mailbox filled with applesauce and flour.
>
> > cwv
>
> > No mention of whether cumin was involved.
>
>LOL. Does this happen every year?!

This particular event was a first, as far as I know.  August, however, is a
<peculiar> month here.

>It was 108 today, at 6pm.

As I recall, the warmest days that we have had were during Fest.  Since
then, it has ranged from high 60s to mid 70s, with (the last week or so)
showers.  It is gently raining now.

cwv

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        That's wonderful, Rashmi.  I hope you enjoy the new job.

Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> I found a new job right here in Glasgow, Delaware. It's a full-time
> position with Dade Behring in their engineering department. They
> make laboratory diagnostic equipment so I move from clinical
> radiology to clinical chemistry. I start September 8.
>
> It all happened very fast (and given the events of today) with perfect
> timing. I had contacted them back in May when the first rumors
> began flying about the site closing. The initial info was that they
> wouldn't be hiring this year and I had given up on them by
> Acadiafest. Three weeks ago, out of the blue, I get a call and
> screening interview from their HR, they call me in for an
> interview and grill me for 4-1/2 hours, call me three days
> later and offer me the job!!!!! It's all signed and final now and
> I can talk about it. I still can't believe it. I'm so relieved. I hadn't
> interviewed or updated my resume in six years and the whole
> process still seems like a dream.
>
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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>What is the origin of Tarascan?

?

Tarascan is a language isolate. So far as we know, it is, like Basque,
unrelated to any other language.

Bethany

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:


> I hope Daisy settles down; giving her back means that
> she goes to the pound.


        She's a *puppy*, of course she is wild.  She has a better
chance of being adopted while she's young and cute.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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        True.  Is Evelyn's couch ugly?

Betty wrote:

> But it was an ugly couch.
>
> Betty
>
> At 08:37 PM 8/7/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        Natalie's hound ate an entire couch.
>>
>> Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>>
>>> In a message dated 8/7/2003 8:27:43 PM Central Daylight Time,
>>> rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>>> <<
>>> Sounds like a hound of some sort.  It will eat the apartment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When we take her for walks, she sniffs the ground as she
>>> walks.
>>>
>>> She has several chew toys, including a Shamu.  She also
>>> loves to chew on Aquafina bottles; we make sure to take
>>> the caps off.
>>>
>>> Evelyn Duncan
>>> brandykitt@aol.com
>>> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
>>> life:  music and cats."
>>> --Albert Schweitzer
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>>
>


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> I pop my nose in here merely to introduce this
> proposition: no misspletting
> is ever wasted.
>
> Ken Miller
> William S. Burroughs Xenovirolinguistic Research
Facility

Thanks for popping, M. Miller-Burroughs

Camillienne

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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>>Remember that woman who was killed in San Francisco? I think that's
>>>what the dog owners thought, too.
>
>> I don't think so.
>
>I do. They were entirely deluded about their ability to control those
>dogs. (And they were afraid of them.)

Cite, please. And - if they were certain they could control them, why were
they afraid of them? The evidence I have seen is that they knew exactly
what the dogs were like.

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> Please, don't encourage her.
>
> ;-->

It's true that some of her puns are punitive, but we
are deserving.


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> > Please, don't encourage her.
> >
> > ;-->
>
> It's true that some of her puns are punitive, but we
> are deserving.

- Lynne

Written by a true pundit.

         - D. M.

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At 14:20 06.08.2003 -0700, John Williams skrev:
>     Sissies.

what has happened to your system clock? A heat wave?

Espen

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Espen S. Ore wrote:

> At 14:20 06.08.2003 -0700, John Williams skrev:
>
>>     Sissies.
>
>
> what has happened to your system clock? A heat wave?


        Poor Europe.  Missouri is having an unusually cool year since
last fall.  We've barely cracked 90 this summer.  I love it.




--
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At 23:11 07.08.2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy skrev:
>I found a new job right here in Glasgow, Delaware. It's a full-time
>position with Dade Behring in their engineering department. They
>make laboratory diagnostic equipment so I move from clinical
>radiology to clinical chemistry. I start September 8.

Hurray!

Espen

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At 08:27 AM 8/8/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
> > > Please, don't encourage her.
> > >
> > > ;-->
> >
> > It's true that some of her puns are punitive, but we
> > are deserving.
>
>- Lynne
>
>Written by a true pundit.

...and correctly punctuated...

cwv

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At 20:40 07.08.2003 -0700, Lynne Weber skrev:
>Espen,
>
>Last night I listened to some of the jazz recordings
>you sent via link to your Norwegian library.  I LIKED
>it because I love vintage music - or anything vintage,
>for that matter.  How does "kaba" translate in this
>context.

I am happy that you liked it but where do you find "kaba"? It is not a
Norwegian word.

Espen

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At 08:35 08.08.2003 -0500, Rita Chapman skrev:
>Espen S. Ore wrote:
>
>>At 14:20 06.08.2003 -0700, John Williams skrev:
>>
>>>     Sissies.
>>
>>
>>what has happened to your system clock? A heat wave?
>
>
>        Poor Europe.  Missouri is having an unusually cool year since
>last fall.  We've barely cracked 90 this summer.  I love it.

Ingjerd came home from her New Zealand - Fiji - Samoa (staying almost a
week) - Fiji - Los Angeles (stopping over for a night) - Seattle -
Copenhagen - Oslo trip yesterday. And it was great that we could go to the
beach and stay until 7PM (we could have stayed longer - there were still a
couple of hours of sun). Today OTOH she has been sleeping all day.

Espen

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-08-07 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> > Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> > > Had to say that, Kristin, because
> > > Europeans think Americans are
> > > so puritanical.
> >
> > Do they? Yes, perhaps, that, too. It is not better than to think
> > Americans only eat hamburgers, and to forget all about Gershwin, and
> > L.Bernstein, and Mark Twain, etc. Not that everybody thinks that way.
>
> Of course not. Just Europeans.

Huh! - Some. Fortunately. But they may tend to have louder voices.

Kristin

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> I found a new job right here in Glasgow, Delaware. It's a full-time
> position

> It's all signed and final now and
> I can talk about it. I still can't believe it. I'm so relieved.

Good! Just in case, I'll send a good tight pinch from here. If you're still
relieved after receiving it - congratulations!

Kristin

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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 19:19:53 -0700, Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> wrote:

>On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
>> >trigonometry to ungrateful old ladies.
>>
>> Ouch.
>> clo
>
>Well how do you think *I* feel?
>
>Ann

ummm
Like somebody knows how you feel?
clo

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Rashmi,

Congratulations!  This sounds wonderful.  Enjoy your time off too :-)

Rita L.

Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> I found a new job right here in Glasgow, Delaware. It's a full-time
> position with Dade Behring in their engineering department. They
> make laboratory diagnostic equipment so I move from clinical
> radiology to clinical chemistry. I start September 8.
>
>
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How so?

> > I wonder how many "Americans" could name a single
> > work by either Gershwin or
> > Bernstein?  How many could name more than one work
> > by Twain?
> >
> > Why invoke these names at all?  Why not Tiger Woods,
> > Michael Jordan, and
> > Madonna, who are much more widely known than this
> > bunch of white footnotes?
>
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>
> I am happy that you liked it but where do you find
> "kaba"? It is not a
> Norwegian word.
>
> Espen

Willie Vieths "Kaba" Orkester performing med litte
granne humor (with a thing through the last o), l935.


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On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

> IMO Twain, Bernstein and Gershwin were artists, not
> athletes or "stars".  Do you consider that Madonna
> will leave the world a legacy comparable to those that
> T, B and G have done?

This is a serious question:  what was Bernstein's legacy?

Another serious question:  do you think Gershwin left THE WORLD a legacy?
As opposed to a couple of generations of Americans?

Ann

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Ann Borkin writes,

>BUT MAYBE THAT'S WRONG:  is there a way to get this tangent from a 25 cent
>calculator (I mean one that costs about 25 cents?)

No.  It has to be a step or two up from the basic four-function calculator,
and have the trig functions built-in.

Or you can use a trig table, which we still did when I was in high school. :)

On the Windows calculator, you switch the view from "Standard" to
"Scientific" to uncover the trig functions.

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I wonder how many "Americans" could name a single work by either Gershwin or
Bernstein?  How many could name more than one work by Twain?

Why invoke these names at all?  Why not Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, and
Madonna, who are much more widely known than this bunch of white footnotes?

 > Do they? Yes, perhaps, that, too. It is not better than to think
 > Americans only eat hamburgers, and to forget all about Gershwin, and
 > L.Bernstein, and Mark Twain, etc. Not that everybody thinks that way.

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--- Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> I wonder how many "Americans" could name a single
> work by either Gershwin or
> Bernstein?  How many could name more than one work
> by Twain?
>
> Why invoke these names at all?  Why not Tiger Woods,
> Michael Jordan, and
> Madonna, who are much more widely known than this
> bunch of white footnotes?

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> > > Why invoke these names at all?  Why not Tiger
> Woods,
> > > Michael Jordan, and
> > > Madonna, who are much more widely known than
> this
> > > bunch of white footnotes?
> >
> >Now that is apples and oranges, big time.

You cite two athletes, of superb talent and great
distinction, but athletes still.  Throw in a
"celebrity" of, at the very least, questionable talent
and distinction.

IMO Twain, Bernstein and Gershwin were artists, not
athletes or "stars".  Do you consider that Madonna
will leave the world a legacy comparable to those that
T, B and G have done?
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On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Trigonometric tables contain pre-calculated trig ratios
> for all angles from 0 to 90 degrees. So you look up
> tangent of the angle 42 (which is approximately equal
> to 1). Now use tan A = o/a. I can't remember what
> you're trying to solve for but now you just have
> the one unknown. Hope that's clear as mud, Ann.

A big problem I have/had is that I assumed I was supposed to get the
answer myself, without looking it up on a table or using a calculator.
OR, if I was supposed to use a calculator, it would be just for ease of
adding, subtracting, multiplying, dividing - for nothing more complicated
than how I use it to figure out how much money I have.

BUT MAYBE THAT'S WRONG:  is there a way to get this tangent from a 25 cent
calculator (I mean one that costs about 25 cents?)  Because several people
have mentioned getting it from their calculators.  But they must have
special calculators, like a T square isn't a child's ruler.

Ann

>
> Does Berkeley offer weekend calculus classes?
>

I need and want a basic math class.  I would like to repeat the one I had
at Oberlin in the middle of the last century.  I got a C, because I didn't
work at it; but of all the classes I didn't work at, this was a pretty
entertaining class.

Tomorrow I am going to see if they have fall textbooks for sale yet, and
if they do I'm going to buy one.

Does anybody have a suggestion of a classic text?

Heh Heh I remember once I started to read, I think it's called FOUNDATIONS
OF MATHEMATICS?  A multi volume set?  Actually, that was fairly tractable
:) maybe I'll look for that.  Neumann?  von Neumann?  I'll look.

I have two books I would like to understand:  WHERE DOES MATHEMATICS COME
FROM and a history of mathematics that has (odd coincidence) 'rainbow' in
the title.  But I can't understand them without a lot of remedial work.

Ann


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On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:

> No.  It has to be a step or two up from the basic four-function calculator,
> and have the trig functions built-in.
>
> Or you can use a trig table, which we still did when I was in high school. :)
>
> On the Windows calculator, you switch the view from "Standard" to
> "Scientific" to uncover the trig functions.

Thanks, Pete.  Case closed, then!
Thanks again to all.

Ann

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I haven't seen a photo of Evelyn's couch.

At 07:54 AM 8/8/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>        True.  Is Evelyn's couch ugly?
>
>Betty wrote:
>
>>But it was an ugly couch.
>>
>>Betty
>>
>>At 08:37 PM 8/7/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>>        Natalie's hound ate an entire couch.
>>>
>>>Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>>>
>>>>In a message dated 8/7/2003 8:27:43 PM Central Daylight Time,
>>>>rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>>>><<
>>>>Sounds like a hound of some sort.  It will eat the apartment.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>When we take her for walks, she sniffs the ground as she
>>>>walks.
>>>>
>>>>She has several chew toys, including a Shamu.  She also
>>>>loves to chew on Aquafina bottles; we make sure to take
>>>>the caps off.
>>>>
>>>>Evelyn Duncan
>>>>brandykitt@aol.com
>>>>"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
>>>>life:  music and cats."
>>>>--Albert Schweitzer
>>>
>>>
>>>--
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>
>
>--
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> This is a serious question:  what was Bernstein's
> legacy?

Part of his legacy, one would think, is his music,
although I will admit that it can be argued that "West
Side Story" and a bit of his semi-classical work is
not necessarily timeless.  But he made classical music
accessible and acceptable to a wider audience than had
been the case.

Gershwin's music, OTH, is timeless.  For whatever
reason one wishes to state, his legacy is as durable
as civilization as we know it, IMO.

>
> Another serious question:  do you think Gershwin
> left THE WORLD a legacy?
> As opposed to a couple of generations of Americans?
>
> Ann

Yes, I meant the world, and I still mean the world,
excepting those cultures that have never been exposed
to the music.  Mind you, IMO.




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On Friday, August 08, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>>>Remember that woman who was killed in San Francisco? I think that's
>>>>what the dog owners thought, too.
>>
>>> I don't think so.
>>
>>I do. They were entirely deluded about their ability to control those
>>dogs. (And they were afraid of them.)

> Cite, please.

You, first.

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On Friday, August 08, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> Please, don't encourage her.
>>
>> ;-->

> It's true that some of her puns are punitive, but we
> are deserving.

Speak for yourself.

Karen

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We are as I speak locking in mortgage rates on an 80-15-5 30 yr fixed
mortgage - the 1st mortgage interest rate is 6%, the 2nd mortgage interest
rate is 6.5%. With rates fluctuating as they are, I am quite satisfied
with these.

Is it Freddie and Fannie who have made all this so complicated? I bought a
house once - the procedure was, as I recall it, much simpler than this is
being.

Mortgage - an interesting word. More anon.

Bethany

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>Literalist!
>
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This clouds rather than illuminates.

There are now two questions before us.

First, was the issue raised by Karen's comment.  She was arguing
(implicitly) that judgments about "americans" and "american culture"  based
on a certain set of assumptions were likely to be inaccurate.  I inferred
from her remarks that those (i.e., Europeans) who assume that Americans
subsist on a diet of hamburgers were off the mark, and that those who
disdain American culture disregard the importance of the figures she
mentioned.

I asked an argumentative question intended to elicit a bit more information.
  The argument suggested by my question is that pleadings related to
American culture that use Bernstein, Gershwin, and Twain as evidence are
weak because: 1. most Americans aren't knowledgable of or influenced by
them.  That is, they are exceptional rather than representative.  And 2.
the most widely known figures associated with American culture, both inside
and outside the U.S. are more like those I mentioned than those Karen
mentioned. They are more representative, but they wouldn't likely support
whatever point it was she was hoping to support.

The second point, which you've introduced, has to do with the proper
classification of individual achievements, and whether useful comparisons
can be made among them.

Crudely, of course, in the area of popularity and impact, it's certainly
possible to make comparisons using tools like Q ratings: who would score
higher in a survey testing familiarity, popularity, etc. among "Americans":
Mark Twain or Shania Twain?

If we're trying to judge the state of U.S. culture, such a comparison is
arguably more meaningful than your misguided lowbrow overrating of Gershwin,
who was a middling composer at best.

Don't you agree that an accurate assessment of U.S. culture is more likely
if we consider representative than exceptional information?  Sure, some
"Americans" are vegetarians and some regularly slurp oysters on the half
shell, but denying that the basic U.S. diet consists of a great many
hamburgers is intellectual tripe.


Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
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> > > > Why invoke these names at all?  Why not Tiger
> > Woods,
> > > > Michael Jordan, and
> > > > Madonna, who are much more widely known than
> > this
> > > > bunch of white footnotes?
> > >
> > >Now that is apples and oranges, big time.
>
>You cite two athletes, of superb talent and great
>distinction, but athletes still.  Throw in a
>"celebrity" of, at the very least, questionable talent
>and distinction.
>
>IMO Twain, Bernstein and Gershwin were artists, not
>athletes or "stars".  Do you consider that Madonna
>will leave the world a legacy comparable to those that
>T, B and G have done?
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< Anglo-Norman and Middle French mortgage, mort gage (1283 in Old
French; also as gage mort (1267); French mort-gage (now arch.)) < mort
MORT a. + gage GAGE
n.1, after post-classical Latin mortuum vadium (from 12th cent. in British
sources) < mortuum, accusative of mortuus dead (see MORT a.) +
vadium pledge (see INVADIATE v.). Middle French mort gage
post-classical Latin morgagium (from 14th cent. in British sources),
mortgagium (a1564 in a British source).

Extended use (sense 1) is found slightly earlier in English than the
technical legal sense (2); such extended use is app. not found in French,
but may perh. have been developed in English directly from the legal use
in Anglo-Norman and Middle French.

For the explanation of the etymological meaning of the term current
among 17th-cent. lawyers, cf. the following:

1628 E. COKE First Pt. Inst. Lawes Eng. 205 It seemeth that the cause
why it is called mortgage is, for that it is doubtful whether the Feoffor will
pay at the day limited such summe or not, & if he doth not pay, then the
Land which is put in pledge vpon condition for the payment of the money,
is taken from him for euer, and so dead to him vpon condition, &c. And if
he doth pay the money, then the pledge is dead as to the Tenant, &c.]

Bethany

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On Friday, August 08, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> First, was the issue raised by Karen's comment.

Me?! What did I say?

I thought it was Kristin.

Karen

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> > This is a serious question:  what was Bernstein's
> > legacy?
>
>Part of his legacy, one would think, is his music,
>although I will admit that it can be argued that "West
>Side Story" and a bit of his semi-classical work is
>not necessarily timeless.  But he made classical music
>accessible and acceptable to a wider audience than had
>been the case.

I wonder whether, without a web search, you could have named two pieces by
Bernstein (that is, West Side Story and one other piece that wasn't an
excerpt from West Side Story).  Bear in mind, that in important ways,
Bernstein, too, was a "star" and a celebrity. That's not to say he wasn't a
fine composer and a great conductor, but his greatest impact on American
culture is almost certainly as a TV conductor and popularizer, and his reach
was largely limited to the comparatively small PBS audience.  He may have
been the Ken Burns of classical music, but does that translate into legacy?

>
>Gershwin's music, OTH, is timeless.  For whatever
>reason one wishes to state, his legacy is as durable
>as civilization as we know it, IMO.

This is fairly sad.  I suppose you know Rhapsody in Blue and Porgy and Bess.
  You consider these timeless?   Do you have a frame of reference that takes
into account, say, a half dozen other composers from the 20th century, an
era that includes folks like Ravel and Debussy, Britten, Shostakovich,
Penderecki, Lutoslawski, Rodgers and Hammerstein, Duke Ellington, Charlie
Parker, Miles Davis, Louis Armstrong, and scads of composers from the
Americas, Europe, and Asia?
> >
> > Another serious question:  do you think Gershwin
> > left THE WORLD a legacy?
> > As opposed to a couple of generations of Americans?
> >
> > Ann
>
>Yes, I meant the world, and I still mean the world,
>excepting those cultures that have never been exposed
>to the music.  Mind you, IMO.

Your opinions don't seem to have much basis.

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Perhaps it was.  All Ks look alike to me.

> > First, was the issue raised by Karen's comment.
>
>Me?! What did I say?
>
>I thought it was Kristin.
>
>Karen

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On Friday, August 08, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> Perhaps it was.  All Ks look alike to me.

Literalist!

Karen

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On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> Cite, please.
>
>You, first.
>

I didn't think you could.

Bethany

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On Friday, August 08, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>> Cite, please.
>>
>>You, first.
>>

> I didn't think you could.

You can think whatever you want, Bethany. That doesn't mean it's true.

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On Friday, August 08, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> Hugz.

No way--I know the difference between bad touching and good touching.

Karen

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On Friday, August 08, 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> On Friday, August 08, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>> On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>>> Cite, please.
>>>
>>>You, first.
>>>

>> I didn't think you could.

> You can think whatever you want, Bethany. That doesn't mean it's true.

P.S. I didn't notice you providing any cites either...

Karen

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On Friday, August 08, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> This particular event was a first, as far as I know.  August, however, is a
> <peculiar> month here.

Is it the mid-season crazies? The post-July 4th letdown?

>>It was 108 today, at 6pm.

> As I recall, the warmest days that we have had were during Fest.  Since
> then, it has ranged from high 60s to mid 70s, with (the last week or so)
> showers.  It is gently raining now.

Well, I'd kill for rain. 60's and 70's would feel good--but I know
that winter follows. And you can keep that.

I think maybe the next time I visit will be in August. The people will
be weird enough for me, and the weather will be a nice contrast.:)

Karen

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March 13, 2002 Wednesday Final Edition

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HEADLINE: 'Disgusting' attack shocked dog owner: Killer animal described as
gentle, loving prior to deadly mauling of tenant

SOURCE: The Associated Press

BYLINE: Dan Whitcomb

DATELINE: LOS ANGELES

BODY:
LOS ANGELES -- Weeping on the witness stand, a San Francisco lawyer on trial
for murder said yesterday she could never have foreseen her gentle, loving
dog doing anything as "brutal and disgusting" as ripping the throat out of a
young female neighbour.

Marjorie Knoller insisted to a Los Angeles Superior Court jury she could not
have predicted the fatal attack by her Presa Canario fighting dog on
lacrosse coach Diane Whipple last year.

"I had no idea he would ever do anything like that to anybody. How could you
imagine it?" Ms. Knoller said.

"It was a totally bizarre event. How could you think that a dog you know,
that's gentle and loving and affectionate, could ever do something so
horrible and brutal and disgusting and gruesome to anybody? How could you
ever imagine that happening?" she added.

Ms. Knoller said her greatest mistake was not understanding how violent her
beloved dog could become.

Ms. Knoller, 46, is charged with second-degree murder and manslaughter in
the death of Ms. Whipple, 33, who bled to death outside her San Francisco
apartment after being fatally mauled by the dog in an apparently unprovoked
attack. If convicted, she faces 15 years to life in prison and would be the
first person in California to be found guilty of murder through the actions
of her dog.

Prosecutors say Ms. Knoller and her husband and law partner Robert Noel, 60,
who was not present during the attack, but is charged with manslaughter,
should have known that their two 54-kilogram Canary Island war dogs, Bane
and Hera, were ferocious and menacing and unfit for living in a small
apartment. It was Bane that attacked Ms. Whipple.

Ms. Knoller, who said yesterday she had thrown herself across Ms. Whipple to
try to protect her from the dog, described herself as being a "basket case"
after the January 2001 incident. "I was having difficulty doing anything. It
took all of my effort to be able to get out of bed, take a shower and get
dressed." she said.

She denied media reports in the days after the attack that she had suggested
Ms. Whipple might be responsible for her own death.

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>On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
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> >> Cite, please.
> >
> >You, first.
> >
>
>I didn't think you could.
>
>Bethany

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I said earlier that one needs a good agent, one needs to negotiate, and
one needs to be able to let property go if the deal is not great.

It's not just an agent one needs. One needs a good agent, a good
accountant, and a good lawyer (to be on call if nothing else- as mine is).

Bethany

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more:

"The jurors concluded the couple ignored repeated incidents and warnings
involving their two large Presa Canarios dogs, Bane and Hera. Dogs of the
breed are large and often used as guards."

etc. See:

http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/06/17/dog.mauling.decision/

also:

"The prosecution laid out more than 30 incidents or warnings involving the
100-plus-pound dogs, which since have been destroyed."

http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/03/21/dog.mauling.trial/

etc. etc. etc.

Bethany

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What is interesting about Tarascan locally is that we have, in a community
near Knoxville, a number of native speakers, possibly as many as 2000.
Most of the researchers who have studied the language in the U.S. are at
the U of Penn - and they were quite surprised to learn that there is a
community in the U.S.

I spent an afternoon taping some of these speakers in Tarascan and Spanish
a few months ago (Spanish is always their second language).

Bethany

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On Friday, August 08, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> more:

> "The jurors concluded the couple ignored repeated incidents and warnings
> involving their two large Presa Canarios dogs, Bane and Hera. Dogs of the
> breed are large and often used as guards."

> etc. See:

> http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/06/17/dog.mauling.decision/

> also:

> "The prosecution laid out more than 30 incidents or warnings involving the
> 100-plus-pound dogs, which since have been destroyed."

> http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/03/21/dog.mauling.trial/

> etc. etc. etc.

> Bethany

The question was not about incidents, warnings, etc., or what the
dog-owners should have realized, but what the dog owners thought. And
that was demonstrated nicely by Marvin.

I specifically said "I think that's what the dog owners thought, too."
And you replied "I don't think so." You are clearly wrong.

Karen

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On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>I specifically said "I think that's what the dog owners thought, too."
>And you replied "I don't think so." You are clearly wrong.

Unless, of course - perish the thought! - one or both of the dog owners -
gasp! - lied to save her hide!

And you still have not explained why the dow owers were afraid of the dogs
if they <thought> that they were harmless.

Bethany

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On Friday, August 08, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>I specifically said "I think that's what the dog owners thought, too."
>>And you replied "I don't think so." You are clearly wrong.

> Unless, of course - perish the thought! - one or both of the dog owners -
> gasp! - lied to save her hide!

How can you know what's in someone's heart, Bethany?

> And you still have not explained why the dow owers were afraid of the dogs
> if they <thought> that they were harmless.

You have not yet explained what dow owers are.

Karen

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Marty Rosen wrote:

> There are now two questions before us.
>
> First, was the issue raised by Karen's comment.  She was arguing
> (implicitly) that judgments about "americans" and "american culture"  based
> on a certain set of assumptions were likely to be inaccurate.  I inferred
> from her remarks that those (i.e., Europeans) who assume that Americans
> subsist on a diet of hamburgers were off the mark,

First, it was Kristin's (my) comment you are referring to.

>   The argument suggested by my question is that pleadings related to
> American culture that use Bernstein, Gershwin, and Twain as evidence are
> weak because: 1. most Americans aren't knowledgable of or influenced by
> them.  That is, they are exceptional rather than representative.

They've grown out from US culture.

> And 2.
> the most widely known figures associated with American culture, both inside
> and outside the U.S. are more like those I mentioned than those Karen
> mentioned.

(Kristin mentioned them.) And although the above-mentioned Kristin knows less of
them than she'd like to or than they are worth of, still her knowledge about
them is much greater than that of Michael Jordan or Madonna, and she'd rather
increase her knowledge about the ones she mentioned than about the two latter
ones.


>They are more representative, but they wouldn't likely support

> whatever point it was she was hoping to support.

If I wanted to support a point -- of which I'm not sure, for I cannot be sure of
what Europeans generally think of Americans generally -- then it was exactly
that if culture is able to represent a nation at all then the persons I
mentioned are more, or at least as, representative than/as Tiger Woods (of which
I hardly know anything, I must confess).

> Don't you agree that an accurate assessment of U.S. culture is more likely
> if we consider representative than exceptional information?

The last passages of your message were addressed to Lynne, but still, to this
very question I'd answer:  I even do not agree to the premises of this sentence.
First: what is more representative of, say, Renaissance -- the works of Orlando
di Lasso or pieces of a village violinist who might have well amused and
consoled poor farmers on Saturday evenings but about whom we do not know
nothing. Secondly: are we talking of representativeness of a people among the
very people themselves or among other peoples? It started discussing the latter.

Kristin

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Marty Rosen wrote:

> >Part of his legacy, one would think, is his music,
> >although I will admit that it can be argued that "West
> >Side Story" and a bit of his semi-classical work is
> >not necessarily timeless.  But he made classical music
> >accessible and acceptable to a wider audience than had
> >been the case.
>
>  That's not to say he wasn't a
> fine composer and a great conductor, but his greatest impact on American
> culture is almost certainly as a TV conductor and popularizer,

Wasn't it what Lynne said? To which I agree.

> and his reach
> was largely limited to the comparatively small PBS audience.

I do not know what PBC is, but I've enjoyed translations of his writings, and
seen him conducting over the TV.

Kristin

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At 11:15 AM 8/8/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Friday, August 08, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> > This particular event was a first, as far as I know.  August, however, is a
> > <peculiar> month here.
>
>Is it the mid-season crazies? The post-July 4th letdown?

The post-4th letdown lasts maybe a week, i.e., somewhat fewer
visitors.  Now we are at capacity in terms of people and vehicles.  The
visitor population is demographically diverse; the proportion of SUVs and
RVs is probably at a seasonal high.  Parking places in/near the village
center are filled from about 11 a.m. on.  Lots of mothers with young (4-6
yrs) children, the mothers determined to ignore the depredations of their
little thugs-in-training.  Lots of teenagers trying to convince everyone
that they don't know <who> these older people with them are.  A week such
as we have had---with the frequent showers and with much of scenery
dominated by fog, intensifies things because people spend more time in the
village, wandering the streets.

At any time of the year, the humor in the downeast region contains a
reasonable dose of whimsy.  Those still maintaining a sense of humor this
time of the season and who have a whimsical side tend to express it in
imaginative ways.

cwv

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On Friday, August 08, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> A week such as we have had---with the frequent showers and with much
> of scenery dominated by fog, intensifies things because people spend
> more time in the village, wandering the streets.

I have to say that the fog there is amazing.

When I saw the movie "Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil", I felt
the Spanish moss should have had a credit. In Bar Harbor, I think the
fog gets a credit. At least one.:)

> At any time of the year, the humor in the downeast region contains a
> reasonable dose of whimsy.  Those still maintaining a sense of humor this
> time of the season and who have a whimsical side tend to express it in
> imaginative ways.

To say the least.

Well, August in Bar Harbor sounds less attractive. (The words "Now we
are at capacity in terms of people and vehicles" shriveled my
enthusiasm.)

Karen

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> I never could warm up to Kiyone; if she didn't want
> to deal with Mihoshi, she could have requested a
> transfer.

        I get the impression that she has, many times, and for some reason these
requests are ignored.  Probably because nobody else wants Mihoshi.

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--- Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:

> oysters on the half
> shell, but denying that the basic U.S. diet consists
> of a great many
> hamburgers is intellectual tripe.
> > > > > Why invoke these names at all?  Why not
> Tiger
> > > Woods,
> > > > > Michael Jordan, and
> > > > > Madonna, who are much more widely known than
> > > this
> > > > > bunch of white footnotes?


Okay, okay, Marty.  Give my small mind a chance to
cogitate.  What we're really arguing here, I guess, is
who gets to choose the representatives of American
culture.  That argument is moot, because it distills
down to the icons chosen by the "non-American"
percipient, in this case, Kristin.  She made her
choice.  I cannot impose my choices on her any more
than you can.  That is why I was careful to state that
these were my opinions, and as uneducated and as
nether-brow as they are, they remain my opinions.

I am not an intellectual.  I cannot define the word,
and I would rather not be what I cannot define

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--- "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU>
wrote:
> What is interesting about Tarascan locally is that
> we have, in a community
> near Knoxville, a number of native speakers,
> possibly as many as 2000.
> Most of the researchers who have studied the
> language in the U.S. are at
> the U of Penn - and they were quite surprised to
> learn that there is a
> community in the U.S.
>
> I spent an afternoon taping some of these speakers
> in Tarascan and Spanish
> a few months ago (Spanish is always their second
> language).
>
> Bethany

I think this is fascinating.  Is there no recognizble
link at all to any other language?


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On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>I think this is fascinating.  Is there no recognizble
>link at all to any other language?

So far as is known, it, like Basque, is a true isolate. It appears totally
unrelated to any other language.

Bethany

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Thanks.  Just checking.


>From: Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
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>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 11:40:00 -0700
>
>--- Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> > oysters on the half
> > shell, but denying that the basic U.S. diet consists
> > of a great many
> > hamburgers is intellectual tripe.
> > > > > > Why invoke these names at all?  Why not
> > Tiger
> > > > Woods,
> > > > > > Michael Jordan, and
> > > > > > Madonna, who are much more widely known than
> > > > this
> > > > > > bunch of white footnotes?
>
>
>Okay, okay, Marty.  Give my small mind a chance to
>cogitate.  What we're really arguing here, I guess, is
>who gets to choose the representatives of American
>culture.  That argument is moot, because it distills
>down to the icons chosen by the "non-American"
>percipient, in this case, Kristin.  She made her
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>these were my opinions, and as uneducated and as
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>
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>and I would rather not be what I cannot define
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In a message dated 8/7/2003 9:42:21 PM, dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:

>He didn't think he had anything
>
>cumin in the mail.
>
>
Lol. You provided a much needed happy moment for me. Thanks
Theo

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It's 111 degrees, and we haven't reached the hottest part of the day
yet.

I think I am suffering brain damage.

I decided to check and see how hot it is where Anne is, being further
south and all. But NO!!!!!! It's more than 10 degrees cooler there!!

Not fair.

Karen

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 4:04 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: It's not fair!
>
>
>It's 111 degrees, and we haven't reached the hottest part of the day
>yet.
>
>I think I am suffering brain damage.
>
>I decided to check and see how hot it is where Anne is, being further
>south and all. But NO!!!!!! It's more than 10 degrees cooler there!!
>
>Not fair.
>
>Karen
>

Welcome to Texas. 85 and comfy here.



alec

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 4:04 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>It's 111 degrees, and we haven't reached the hottest part of the day
>yet.
>
>I think I am suffering brain damage.
>
>I decided to check and see how hot it is where Anne is, being further
>south and all. But NO!!!!!! It's more than 10 degrees cooler there!!
>
>Not fair.
>
>Karen
>

A dry heat too!


alec

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On Friday, August 08, 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: English Language Discussion Group
>>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>>Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 4:04 PM
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: It's not fair!
>>
>>
>>It's 111 degrees, and we haven't reached the hottest part of the day
>>yet.
>>
>>I think I am suffering brain damage.
>>
>>I decided to check and see how hot it is where Anne is, being further
>>south and all. But NO!!!!!! It's more than 10 degrees cooler there!!
>>
>>Not fair.
>>
>>Karen
>>

> A dry heat too!

Alec,

You're better talking about things you know.

Karen

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but at least you set a record (the pervious high for this date was105 in
1953).  The honor of that should carry you through.


BrP


>>> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM 08/08/03 04:03PM >>>
It's 111 degrees, and we haven't reached the hottest part of the day
yet.

I think I am suffering brain damage.

I decided to check and see how hot it is where Anne is, being further
south and all. But NO!!!!!! It's more than 10 degrees cooler there!!

Not fair.

Karen

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In a message dated 8/8/2003 8:09:25 AM, Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE writes:

>Huh! - Some. Fortunately. But they may tend to have louder voices

My friends pitied me back in the early fifties when I told them that I was
going to the USA because it was known by everyone, including me that this
country was so puritanical. And I have to say that it's true, at least by Dutch
standards.
Theo

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> > First, was the issue raised by Karen's comment.  She was arguing
> > (implicitly) that judgments about "americans" and "american culture"
>based
> > on a certain set of assumptions were likely to be inaccurate.  I
>inferred
> > from her remarks that those (i.e., Europeans) who assume that Americans
> > subsist on a diet of hamburgers were off the mark,
>
>First, it was Kristin's (my) comment you are referring to.

Excellent!  So Karen isn't losing her mind.

> >   The argument suggested by my question is that pleadings related to
> > American culture that use Bernstein, Gershwin, and Twain as evidence are
> > weak because: 1. most Americans aren't knowledgable of or influenced by
> > them.  That is, they are exceptional rather than representative.
>
>They've grown out from US culture.

No doubt.  Both Bernstein and Gershwin are exquisitely "American." And I
mean that without a trace of irony.  They're both first generation U.S.-born
sons of immigrant Jewish parents.  Twain is certainly from the heartland
(enough so that he's been brushed with the taint of anti-semitism, though
that's only an amusing aside).

But are they measures of U.S. culture?  Where do they stand compared to
Norman Lear, Andy Warhol, or Larry Flynt or the Beach Boys or Elvis Presley?
  And more to the point, for what case are they evidence?


> > And 2.
> > the most widely known figures associated with American culture, both
>inside
> > and outside the U.S. are more like those I mentioned than those Karen
> > mentioned.
>
>(Kristin mentioned them.) And although the above-mentioned Kristin knows
>less of
>them than she'd like to or than they are worth of, still her knowledge
>about
>them is much greater than that of Michael Jordan or Madonna, and she'd
>rather
>increase her knowledge about the ones she mentioned than about the two
>latter
>ones.

That might be commendable.  I'm not sure.  A person could likely learn a lot
about art, music, rhetoric, and entertainment by studying Madonna.

>
> >They are more representative, but they wouldn't likely support
> > whatever point it was she was hoping to support.
>
>If I wanted to support a point -- of which I'm not sure, for I cannot be
>sure of
>what Europeans generally think of Americans generally -- then it was
>exactly
>that if culture is able to represent a nation at all then the persons I
>mentioned are more, or at least as, representative than/as Tiger Woods (of
>which
>I hardly know anything, I must confess).

That's the crux of the matter.  Your statement here confirms that I
correctly understood your point.  And so the question is, are you correct
that Twain, Gershwin, and Bernstein are better indicators of U.S. culture
than Tiger, Madonna and Michael.


> > Don't you agree that an accurate assessment of U.S. culture is more
>likely
> > if we consider representative than exceptional information?
>
>The last passages of your message were addressed to Lynne, but still, to
>this
>very question I'd answer:  I even do not agree to the premises of this
>sentence.
>First: what is more representative of, say, Renaissance -- the works of
>Orlando
>di Lasso or pieces of a village violinist who might have well amused and
>consoled poor farmers on Saturday evenings but about whom we do not know
>nothing. Secondly: are we talking of representativeness of a people among
>the
>very people themselves or among other peoples? It started discussing the
>latter.

Well, it's a question.  I'm not exactly sure what you mean when you
challenge its "premises," and I can't quite fish it out of your response.

But taking your questions in order: 1. I suspect you meant to pose the first
question as an unanswerable rhetorical question. But it's not, actually.  I
would say that the "typical" is a better indicator than the exception (that
should come as no suprise).  If we wanted to judge the average person's diet
in renaissance Europe, we could do other things than look at accounts of
court banquets. And if we wanted to understand living quarters, we could
look at other things than royal apartments.

Likewise, if we wished to, we could survey archival records of performances
and reception of pieces during the renaissance and determine just how widely
Orlando's music was known.  We could likely make some inferences about how
many people actually heard his music, performed it, or saw it in manuscript.
  We could do the same thing (more easily) for later periods, say the
baroque, or romantic periods.  And though it would be diffiicult to say much
about random village violinists (only because we don't have data, which
obscures the argument, but doesn't alter the principle), we could almost
certainly determine that in churches and courts across Europe there were
maybe a couple of hundred other workaday composers whose work was widely
heard in their communities, and we could compare their work with Orlando's
(or Bach's or Haydn's, or whatever).  We would almost certainly find, as
critics and musicians have known for centuries, that Orlando was indeed
exceptional.

Your second point, I guess, is: Do we want to know about a people's
self-perception or do we want to know how they are regarded by outsiders?
We may want to know about both, and both are to some degree ascertainable.
Some traits are more easily measurable than others. To drift afield, take
international financial aid, for instance.  A poll would likely show that
U.S. folks consider their nation especially generous.  A look at numbers
would show something else altogether.  It might be harder to do those kinds
of comparisons with "arts," but it wouldn't be impossible.  International
comparisons of Q ratings would be one way to approach that question.

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Karen:

> >It's 111 degrees, and we haven't reached the hottest part of the day
> >yet.
> >
> >I think I am suffering brain damage.
> >
> >I decided to check and see how hot it is where Anne is, being further
> >south and all. But NO!!!!!! It's more than 10 degrees cooler there!!
> >
> >Not fair.
> >
> >Karen
> >
>

The breast man:

>Welcome to Texas. 85 and comfy here.



  73 here.  I love THE Bay Area.

Betty

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Well, well.

>I think I am suffering brain damage.

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On Friday, August 08, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> but at least you set a record (the pervious high for this date was105 in
> 1953).  The honor of that should carry you through.

Hm. I think I am going to fill the bathtub with crushed ice from my
fridge and contemplate this...

Karen

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----- Original Message -----
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> Karen:
>
> > >It's 111 degrees, and we haven't reached the hottest part of the
day
> > >yet.
> > >
> > >I think I am suffering brain damage.
> > >
> > >I decided to check and see how hot it is where Anne is, being
further
> > >south and all. But NO!!!!!! It's more than 10 degrees cooler
there!!
> > >
> > >Not fair.
> > >
> > >Karen
> > >
> >
>
> The breast man:
>
> >Welcome to Texas. 85 and comfy here.
>
>
>
>   73 here.  I love THE Bay Area.
>
> Betty

81 here and mighty tolerable, low humidity.

                 - D. M.

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Folks,

Who has had an MRI?

I had one last night. If you have had one, you will know how tight and
confining it is in the machine. Noisy for 35 mins too.
No open-MRIs in the area was the bummer.

My thoracic and cervical spine made pretty pictures.


alec

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> In a message dated 8/8/2003 8:09:25 AM, Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE writes:
>
> >Huh! - Some. Fortunately. But they may tend to have louder voices
>
> My friends pitied me back in the early fifties when I told them that I
was
> going to the USA because it was known by everyone, including me that
this
> country was so puritanical. And I have to say that it's true, at least
by Dutch
> standards.
> Theo

So that meant what?  That once you were
here you would have to start behaving?
Well no doubt, Theo, the US saved your
soul.  ;-)

                   - D. M.

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On Friday, August 08, 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
>   73 here.  I love THE Bay Area.

Well, in the last hour, the temperature dropped to 107. It's going to
rain, rain, rain, whereupon I shall open up all the doors and windows.

Karen

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Theo Groothof:
= In a message dated 8/8/2003 8:09:25 AM, Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE writes:
=
= >Huh! - Some. Fortunately. But they may tend to have louder voices
=
= My friends pitied me back in the early fifties when I told them that I was
= going to the USA because it was known by everyone, including me that this
= country was so puritanical. And I have to say that it's true, at least by Dutch
= standards.
= Theo

Ha.

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> Folks,
>
> Who has had an MRI?
>
> I had one last night. If you have had one, you will know how tight and
> confining it is in the machine. Noisy for 35 mins too.
> No open-MRIs in the area was the bummer.
>
> My thoracic and cervical spine made pretty pictures.
>
>
> alec

I've had an MRI . .
Altho I can't remember why.
I remember the noise, though.
I didn't suffer from claustrophobia
as much as I thought I would.

So, did your test reveal anything we need
to know about?

             - D. M.

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At 04:51 PM 8/8/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>Folks,
>
>Who has had an MRI?
>
>I had one last night. If you have had one, you will know how tight and
>confining it is in the machine. Noisy for 35 mins too.
>No open-MRIs in the area was the bummer.
>
>My thoracic and cervical spine made pretty pictures.

Were you in an accident or something?

I was in the room while Larry had his done.  Noisy,  yes.  They didn't
offer earphones/music or plugs?  The open MRIs did not used to provide as
good a quality so you probably got a good exam. They have improved, however.

Betty

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In a message dated 8/8/2003 7:55:04 AM Central Daylight Time, 
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<<
True.  Is Evelyn's couch ugly?


>>

Not to Mom, but then she likes brown tones; I prefer blue.

If you could see the wallpaper I use in my emails, you'd see
that it's blue-and-white cloud pattern.  But I have to turn it
off for listmail.

Evelyn Duncan
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02003-08-07 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> I was hesitant to delete any of that, as it made it
> all crystal clear.

Ha! Actually I just repeated exactly what my father told me
20 years ago.

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At 01:35 PM 8/8/2003 -0700, Betty Clark wrote:

>  73 here.  I love THE Bay Area.

That warm, is it?

cwv

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In a message dated 8/8/2003 12:49:25 PM Central Daylight Time, 
Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE writes:
<<
I do not know what PBC is, but I've enjoyed translations of his writings, and
seen him conducting over the TV.

>>

PBS aka Public Broadcasting System; it started out at NET (National
Educational Television), and its first big series was the BBC's The
Forsyte Saga (starring Eric Porter, Nyree Dawn Porter, Kenneth
More, Susan Hampshire, and Michael York).  Siskel and Ebert
became big stars on PBS, so did Julia Child and the Teletubbies.

Evelyn Duncan
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At 05:53 PM 8/8/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Woohoo!!! It's 100! And we are just arriving at the theoretically
>hottest part of the day. There's thunder, but no rain yet..



That's not thunder, that's the pulse pounding in your ears...

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In a message dated 8/8/2003 1:27:12 PM Central Daylight Time, flint@KIVA.NET
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    I get the impression that she has, many times, and for some reason these
requests are ignored.  Probably because nobody else wants Mihoshi.

>>

In the 4th episode (Mihoshi Falls to the Land of Stars) it's said that at one
time she was an able officer but had slipped badly.

That's the episode in which Ryoko and Ayeka are nude, BTW.

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On Friday, August 08, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> At 01:35 PM 8/8/2003 -0700, Betty Clark wrote:

>>  73 here.  I love THE Bay Area.

> That warm, is it?

Woohoo!!! It's 100! And we are just arriving at the theoretically
hottest part of the day. There's thunder, but no rain yet...

Karen

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>It's 111 degrees, and we haven't reached the hottest part of the day
yet.


Sissies!


AS, GMA-tested

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02003-08-07 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> I AM WRITING IN CAPS FOR A DIALOG:
>
> IT'S HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND TANGENT IN TERMS OF A RATIO.

/There are other ways to define it./ /But pictorially,
it is a ratio./

> OK, SO IN A RIGHT TRIANGLE THE HYPOTENUSE IS ALWAYS THE SAME, BUT
> OPPOSITE AND ADJACENT ARE RELATIVE TO WHICH OF THE SMALLER ANGLES
> YOU'RE INTERESTED IN.

/Yes./ /But that should be of side importance, since disambiguating
between opposite and adjacent sides should be an unimportant concern./
/Put your acute angle at the bottom left and right angle at the bottom
right./ /Then the level side is adjacent, upright side is opposite,
and the sloping side is the hypotenuse./ /You can always turn the
paper around so the triangle is in that position./

/This doesn't work when the angle is obtuse./ /But if trig for surveyors
is all you are interested in, elaborate pictorial representations for
obtuse angles are just so much academic wank./

> OK, OK SO FAR.  I JUST LEARNED ELSEWHERE THAT "RATIONAL NUMBERS" ARE
> FRACTIONS.  SO FRACTIONS ARE NUMBERS, AND I GUESS RATIOS ARE NUMBERS
> TOO, THEN - OTHERWISE I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU SAY THE TANGENT
> OF AN ANGLE IS A -NUMBER- WHEN YOU HAD SAID IT WAS A RATIO.

/It is a number which can be defined as a ratio of two numbers, which
two numbers happen to be easily-seen quantities in a geometric diagram./
/The same number could be defined, say, as the sum of an infinite series
of vanishing numbers, or the area of a specific curved shape./ /Proving
the equivalence of these definitions is yet another task which falls in
the domain of "calculus"./

/So yes, the ratio of two numbers is a number./ /I mean, it's one number
divided by another, after all./

/This is not the same as a rational number--a rational number is a ratio
of two INTEGERS./ /The question may be asked: are all numbers rational,
i.e. can all numbers be expressed as ratios of integers?/ /The answer is
no, as Euclid knew./ /The diagonal of a one-unit-wide square has a length
whose square is 2 units--so "square root of 2" has existence, or is a
"real number"./ /But, as he proved, it could not be expressed as a fraction
of two whole numbers./

> > But the more important
> > point is, knowing the angle A and the "adjacent side" a, you
> > can find the length of the "opposite side" o.
>
> OK, BUT HOW?  I STILL DON'T KNOW HOW.
>
> THE OTHER HELPING WORDSLERS TALK ABOUT DIVISION.  AND I KNOW THAT FOR
> EXAMPLE 1/4 IS EQUAL TO 1 DIVIDED BY 4.  SO SOMEHOW I AM PROBABLY SUPPOSED
> TO USE ALGEBRA TO GET THE LENGTH OF O.
> I AM SUPPOSED TO TURN THAT RATIO INTO A FRACTION, AND THE TOP PART WILL BE
> UNKNOWN BUT THE BOTTOM PART IS ONE MILE.  A MILE IS 5280 FEET.  SO MAYBE
> THE BOTTOMM PART IS 5280.

\The basic reasoning is: the height to the top of the rainbow divided by
the distance to the rainbow, is tan of the angle.\ \The angle is known
(due the properties of water).\ \But since the tan depends on just the
angle, it is known too.\ \Hence, is height/distance is a known quantity,
and distance is known, then height is also known--it is tan X distance.\

\It is crucial to understand that this tan IS KNOWN.\ \Right now.\ \Without
reference to any specific rainbow, I can assert that the height of every
rainbow is 9/10 of the distance to it.\

> HENCE SCHMENCE!  WHAT WOULD THE FORMULA BE?  WHERE WOULD I STICK IN THE
> DEGREES?
>
> RICHARD SAYS THE TANGENT OF AN ANGLE IS JUST THE LENGTH OF O DIVIDED BY
> THE LENGTH OF A.  WELL OK, THEN TANGENT = X/1 (MILE).  WHERE DOES THAT GET
> ME?  WHERE DO I PLUG IN THE DEGREES OF THE ANGLE?

|In the "tangent" part.| |That tangent is actually tan(degrees of angle).|
|Remember it is dependent on the angle.| |As the Rashmeeber eloquently but
cryptically expressed it, tan is a "function of one argument".| |Fortu-
nately, that "argument" is known for a rainbow, it is the infamous 42
degrees, which yields 0.9 as the tan.| |Hence X = 0.9 miles.|

> OH OK, RICHARD SAYS IF YOU KNOW HOW FAR AWAY THE RAINBOW IS, MULTIPLY BY
> THE TANGENT OF THAT ANGLE, AND YOU KNOW HOW HIGH THE RAINBOW IS.  WELL THE
> RAINBOW IS 1 MILE AWAY. AND THE TANGENT IS X/1.  SO MULTIPLY X/1 TIMES 1.
>
> WELL, THAT WOULD BE X/1.  BUT I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT X IS.

/You know now./ /If the rainbow were 2 miles away, of course it would
be 1.8 miles high./ /It would be more to the point to say that if you
could SEE a rainbow from 2 miles away its apparent height would be 1.8
miles./ /So, really, the statement should be turned upside down: if you
had the right kind of suspended water, spread over a 1.8 mile wide area
2 miles out, in a direction away from the sun, you would see a rainbow./

/But even that is too arrogant--the real truth is, if YOU were at a spot
between the sun and a mass of suspended water, at a distance 10/9 times
the horizontal spread of the water mass ... you would see a rainbow./
/Therefore, all is illusion, existence is suffering, and you are a
contemptible ectoplasmic speck with a couple of retinal cells, and
all your statements about how high IT is and how far IT is are trivial
subjective babbling, to LAUGH AT./ |And don't give me that tired old
"it's on film" argument.|

> I THINK IT'S TIME SOMEBODY JUST GAVE ME THE ANSWER AND HOW THEY CAME UP
> WITH IT; THEN I WOULD TRY TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

|That involves the laws of refraction, especially how they apply to
different colors and media, and presupposes some understanding of what
"color" even means.| %Hence, it is relegated to another post.%

> THANKS VERY MUCH, TUSHAR

#You are welcome.#

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On Friday, August 08, 2003, Amy Burns Short wrote:
>>It's 111 degrees, and we haven't reached the hottest part of the day
> yet.


> Sissies!


> AS, GMA-tested

I think you're the sissy: try it with 40% humidity.

Karen

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On Friday, August 08, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> That's not thunder, that's the pulse pounding in your ears...

It's now 96--it feels cool....

Still no rain, though.

Karen

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02003-08-05 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Will you move to a different train station?

Yes, I have moved to a different station. It's even a different
line, theoretically. I say theoretically because it's still the
north side and hence most people from Chicago will scorn the
idea that I have moved anywhere different.

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02003-08-08 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> I need and want a basic math class.  I would like to repeat the one I had
> at Oberlin in the middle of the last century.  I got a C, because I didn't
> work at it; but of all the classes I didn't work at, this was a pretty
> entertaining class.

It is my considered opinion that Dr Borkin should somehow obtain and
read a "grpahic novel" which I recently read: Ghost World. I think Dr
Ann will find a familiar character in it.

That's not the only reason. I am almost moved to say that this comic
book will become a true American legacy to the world (as soon as Ken
Burns freakin SHUTS UP)

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02003-08-08 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> The argument suggested by my question is that pleadings related to
> American culture that use Bernstein, Gershwin, and Twain as evidence are
> weak because: 1. most Americans aren't knowledgable of or influenced by
> them.  That is, they are exceptional rather than representative.  And 2.
> the most widely known figures associated with American culture, both inside
> and outside the U.S. are more like those I mentioned than those Karen
> mentioned. They are more representative, but they wouldn't likely support
> whatever point it was she was hoping to support.

Although we may safely dismiss the statement that the "legacy
of Gershwin" will "endure" in the unimaginably torrential flux
of "civilization as we know it", I think that the fame of Madonna
or Michael Jordan is overestimated too. I know (well, have casually
spoken with) Irish people who hadn't heard of either until they
came to America a few years ago. I can tell you that less than
10% of all people in these pictures <http://samant.com/mumbai/>
understand anything meaningful by the words "Michael Jordan".
I didn't go to Namibia to take these pictures--they are from
A Representative Neighborhood of (probably) the world's largest
city.

We should be aware of the vastness and diversity of "civilization
as we know it". We live in the 21st century. There is a basic set
of behaviors which we should treat as obsolete. Just as we should
never be impressed even slightly by sonorous fact-free appeals to
"freedom", "justice", etc, we should immediately recognize as absurd
any claim about the universal popularity or enduring legacy of any
figure.

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I felt this article by Fay Weldon related to my utter 5-year
boredom with every st00pid rut-stuck premise, narration or
review of any "work of literature". From the New Scientist:

  "... that was before my conversion to science, brought about
  by being force-fed 80 books on popular science within a single
  year when I was a judge of the final Rhône-Poulenc prize, before
  it turned into the Aventis. The perspicacity and skill of today's
  new breed of science writers was so persuasive I ceased to argue.
  Science is now my bedside reading. Would that fiction writers
  employed their talents and intelligence so well."

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I had to try hard not to fall asleep during mine.  But it
was of my head.



--
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In a message dated 8/8/2003 2:52:14 PM, plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU writes:

>Who has had an MRI?
>
Have had more than one. Didn't think they were too uncomfortable.
Theo

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> Although we may safely dismiss the statement that
> the "legacy
> of Gershwin" will "endure" in the unimaginably
> torrential flux
> of "civilization as we know it",

You are right about this, and Marty was, also.  I am
given to hyperbole.  Perhaps it would have more honest
to have said, "Civilization as I would like it to be."

But I am also attracted to music, graphic art, etc.,
of other cultures.  Now that sounds like apologetic
rationalization and maybe condescending, but I don't
mean it to be.



I think that the
> fame of Madonna
> or Michael Jordan is overestimated too. I know
> (well, have casually
> spoken with) Irish people who hadn't heard of either
> until they
> came to America a few years ago. I can tell you that
> less than
> 10% of all people in these pictures
> <http://samant.com/mumbai/>

There is not doubt these photos are pull at one's
emotions; however, are we not getting rather far
afield from "American" representatives of culture?


> understand anything meaningful by the words "Michael
> Jordan".
> I didn't go to Namibia to take these pictures--they
> are from
> A Representative Neighborhood of (probably) the
> world's largest
> city.
>
> We should be aware of the vastness and diversity of
> "civilization
> as we know it". We live in the 21st century. There
> is a basic set
> of behaviors which we should treat as obsolete. Just
> as we should
> never be impressed even slightly by sonorous
> fact-free appeals to
> "freedom", "justice", etc,

- stop! - I agree again, but I maintain we have left
the subject of the discussion well behind us -


 we should immediately
> recognize as absurd
> any claim about the universal popularity or enduring
> legacy of any
> figure.

But here I disagree.  As you know, I am fairly
conservative in my general attitudes (not all, not for
a moment).  The liberal parts of me insist that there
are universal truths (dismiss popularity for this
purpose)that we recognize as our elementally leading
forces.  And those individuals who have expounded or
espoused those universal truths have bequeathed them
to us.  Thus have been formed all of the parameters by
which we remain civilized - custom, law, religion -
and even in fortunate cases, justice and freedom.  The
individuals (apocryphal or not, and they exist in all
cultures) have certainly left us a legacy.

All of the above are my opinions only, and are subject
to change without notice.

How do you like your new place?


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> It is my considered opinion that Dr Borkin should
> somehow obtain and
> read a "grpahic novel" which I recently read: Ghost
> World. I think Dr
> Ann will find a familiar character in it.

Is there much growling in it, or just the clanking of chains?

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On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:26:43 -0500, alec wrote:

>> Folks,
>>
>> Who has had an MRI?
>>
>> I had one last night. If you have had one, you will know how tight and
>> confining it is in the machine. Noisy for 35 mins too.
>> No open-MRIs in the area was the bummer.
>>
>> My thoracic and cervical spine made pretty pictures.
>>
>>
>> alec
>

I have. I had previously had a tractiony kind of thing at the
chiropractors, and learned exactly how many slow breaths were in a minute.
It's the only way I got through.

clo

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On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:31:22 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:

>02003-08-07 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
>> I was hesitant to delete any of that, as it made it
>> all crystal clear.
>
>Ha! Actually I just repeated exactly what my father told me
>20 years ago.

See? I KNEW your parents appeared to be intelligent and interesting people!!

clo

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In a message dated 8/8/2003 2:52:14 PM, dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:

>So that meant what?  That once you were
>
>here you would have to start behaving?
>
>Well no doubt, Theo, the US saved your
>
>soul.  ;-)
>
>
No, I never paid attention to these *standards* Lived my life the way I
wanted; never cared about what others thought of me. But I pitied my children
having to grow up in that environment.
Speaking of *souls*...With all the church going individuals here,
you'd expect better morals on the whole too. But what do I know being just an
ignurrent furrener, huh?
Theo

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In a message dated 8/8/2003 8:45:13 PM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Is there much growling in it, or just the clanking of chains?

>>

Maybe it's a dog training book?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"Walkies!"

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> PBS aka Public Broadcasting System; it started out
> at NET (National
> Educational Television), and its first big series
> was the BBC's The
> Forsyte Saga (starring Eric Porter, Nyree Dawn
> Porter, Kenneth
> More, Susan Hampshire, and Michael York).  Siskel
> and Ebert
> became big stars on PBS, so did Julia Child and the
> Teletubbies.

I didn't realize Kenneth More was in that.  I'll have
to see it.


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> Maybe it's a dog training book?

Ha!  I love that!
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> "Walkies!"


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> Who has had an MRI?
>
> I had one last night. If you have had one, you will know how tight and
> confining it is in the machine. Noisy for 35 mins too.
> No open-MRIs in the area was the bummer.

I haven't had one myself, but I've accompanied Mom and did accompany Grampa
into the testing chamber 5 times so far. Mom's claustrophobic and has to
take Valium before the test. I hold on to her ankles while she's in the
machine. It's damn loud, even with ear plugs.

--Adam
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In a message dated 8/8/2003 8:50:44 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
I didn't realize Kenneth More was in that.  I'll have
to see it.

>>

He played young Jolyon, who left his wife for his daughter's 
governess and then married the fair Irene, Soames' exwife.
There have been two Forsyte Saga series; the one I've been
discussing is the one from the Sixties.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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I took Daisy out for a walk this evening while Norton Anti-virus was
churning away, and we saw this little creature.  I couldn't tell if
it were a puppy or a kitten because I don't have my glasses yet.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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life:  music and cats."
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In a message dated 8/8/2003 8:58:42 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Got you.  It would have to have been, he's been gone
for many a year.

>>

I'd love to see the original series again; I watched the remake,
and it left me cold.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> It is my considered opinion that Dr Borkin should somehow obtain and
> read a "grpahic novel" which I recently read: Ghost World. I think Dr
> Ann will find a familiar character in it.

ring a ding the alarms and AWESOME:  I (almost) bought it today.  On my
own.  Instead, I bought NEIGE, a book of snow photos in the French Alps.

Monday, I will buy Ghost World.

** OVERDONE ELABORATE EMBARRASING SMOOCHES **

ANN

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> He played young Jolyon, who left his wife for his
> daughter's
> governess and then married the fair Irene, Soames'
> exwife.
> There have been two Forsyte Saga series; the one
> I've been
> discussing is the one from the Sixties.

Got you.  It would have to have been, he's been gone
for many a year.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> life:  music and cats."
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On Friday, August 08, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> ** OVERDONE ELABORATE EMBARRASING SMOOCHES **

You guys are disgustingly cutesy! Get a room!!!

Karen

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>
> Like, which?
>
> Well, there's Ghandi.
>
> Ann

Precisely.


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On Friday, August 08, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>  we should immediately recognize as absurd
>> any claim about the universal popularity or enduring legacy of any
>> figure.

> Well, there's Ghandi.

Who he?

Karen

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On Friday, August 08, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> "freedom", "justice", etc, we should immediately recognize as absurd
>> any claim about the universal popularity or enduring legacy of any
>> figure.

> Well, there's Ghandi.

Gandhi. And I'm sure Shrub worships him...

Karen

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> Gandhi. And I'm sure Shrub worships him...
>
> Karen

Why should he?


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In a message dated 8/8/2003 7:50:43 PM, lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:

>became big stars on PBS, so did Julia Child and the
>> Teletubbies.
>
Oh wow! You better have more respect for my opinions then, because I once did
a program for a Denver PBS station on seniors and computers. You never
realized you were aquatinted with a *star*, huh? ;-)
Theo

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--- Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> wrote:
> I took Daisy out for a walk this evening while
> Norton Anti-virus was
> churning away, and we saw this little creature.  I
> couldn't tell if
> it were a puppy or a kitten because I don't have my
> glasses yet.

And then what?  What did Daisy do?  What did you do?

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On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> ** OVERDONE ELABORATE EMBARRASING SMOOCHES **
                        ^^^^^^^^^^

Embarrassing (I guess that's right) spelling, too.

SMOOCHES TO ALL WHO WANT 'EM

Ann
>

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On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> came to America a few years ago. I can tell you that less than
> 10% of all people in these pictures <http://samant.com/mumbai/>
> understand anything meaningful by the words "Michael Jordan".

Who (which Americans) would be meaningful?

I mean, as a positive cultural legacy.

Ann

>
> We should be aware of the vastness and diversity of "civilization
> as we know it". We live in the 21st century. There is a basic set
> of behaviors which we should treat as obsolete. Just as we should
> never be impressed even slightly by sonorous fact-free appeals to
> "freedom", "justice", etc, we should immediately recognize as absurd
> any claim about the universal popularity or enduring legacy of any
> figure.
>

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And then what?  What did Daisy do?  What did you do?

>>

Daisy sat stock still.  I watched her.  When the critter moved
on, then Daisy let me lead her back.

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On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> We should be aware of the vastness and diversity of "civilization
> as we know it". We live in the 21st century. There is a basic set
> of behaviors which we should treat as obsolete.

Like, which?

 Just as we should
> never be impressed even slightly by sonorous fact-free appeals to
> "freedom", "justice", etc, we should immediately recognize as absurd
> any claim about the universal popularity or enduring legacy of any
> figure.

Well, there's Ghandi.

Ann

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> SMOOCHES TO ALL WHO WANT 'EM

YaY!
>
> Ann
> >


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> Daisy sat stock still.  I watched her.  When the
> critter moved
> on, then Daisy let me lead her back.

Hmm,  Interesting.  Maybe some innate caution seized
her, because I would expect a puppy to give chase.
Maybe Rita can help with this one.

That's another thing about walking a dog, you get to
see more of what's going on in the neighborhood.

Did Sweetie, Daisy and your mom do okay when you went
back to work today?


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In a message dated 8/8/2003 9:50:30 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Did Sweetie, Daisy and your mom do okay when you went
back to work today?

>>

Mom was tired, she had them and my nephew, too, to take
care of.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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life:  music and cats."
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On Friday, August 08, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>>
>> Like, which?
>>
>> Well, there's Ghandi.
>>
>> Ann

> Precisely.

I *wish* he were universally admired, but he's definitely not.

Karen

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On Friday, August 08, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> Gandhi. And I'm sure Shrub worships him...
>>
>> Karen

> Why should he?

I'm sorry, weren't you the one claiming that Gandhi is universally
admired? I don't believe that for a second.

Karen

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--- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> On Friday, August 08, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> >> Gandhi. And I'm sure Shrub worships him...
> >>
> >> Karen
>
> > Why should he?
>
> I'm sorry, weren't you the one claiming that Gandhi
> is universally
> admired? I don't believe that for a second.
>
> Karen

That brings to mind a hackneyed phrase.  "Once again,
you excel at missing the point."


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Tushar:

>It is my considered opinion that Dr Borkin should somehow obtain and
>read a "grpahic novel" which I recently read: Ghost World. I think Dr
Ann will find a familiar character in it.

Better yet, rent the movie. Ghost World is one of my all-time faves
(favorites
for BB). Thora Birch and Steve Buschemi are unforgettable as characters
familiar to Anna Borinki. The movie's based on the "graphic novel", btw.

-rashmi

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On Friday, August 08, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> --- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
>> On Friday, August 08, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> >> Gandhi. And I'm sure Shrub worships him...
>> >>
>> >> Karen
>>
>> > Why should he?
>>
>> I'm sorry, weren't you the one claiming that Gandhi
>> is universally
>> admired? I don't believe that for a second.
>>
>> Karen

> That brings to mind a hackneyed phrase.  "Once again,
> you excel at missing the point."

I believe I wrote that hackneyed phrase, missy. So don't wear it out!

It's 83 degrees--I turned off the A/C.

And I miss most of your points.

Karen

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On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> I'm sorry, weren't you the one claiming that Gandhi is universally
> admired? I don't believe that for a second.

Well I think he's icon-ized and lipserviced in the U.S.  I don't know
about elsewhere.

Kristin can speak for Estonia; Espen, for Norway; Roy, Steph, chopped
liver for elsewhere . . .

Ann

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Ann:

>Well I think he's icon-ized and lipserviced in the U.S.

Nah, his days as an icon are long past - event the lip-service
is dying down.

>Kristin can speak for Estonia; Espen, for Norway; Roy, Steph, chopped
>liver for elsewhere . . .

I'm not really sure but it seems to me (from this distance) that his 15
minutes of icon-dom are over in India ...

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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 03:20:44 +0000, Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:

>Tushar:
>
>>It is my considered opinion that Dr Borkin should somehow obtain and
>>read a "grpahic novel" which I recently read: Ghost World. I think Dr
>Ann will find a familiar character in it.
>
>Better yet, rent the movie. Ghost World is one of my all-time faves
>(favorites
>for BB). Thora Birch and Steve Buschemi are unforgettable as characters
>familiar to Anna Borinki. The movie's based on the "graphic novel", btw.
>
>-rashmi
>
We watched it at the "art house" cinema around the corner from our new
house, and V fell asleep almost immediately. Later he rented it, and was
terribly confused because there were elements that seemed familiar.

I covet the glasses, and this year they are in! But I only need reading
glasses, and couldn't justify buying them.

clo

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>From: Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Judging books by their covers
>Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:42:33 -0700
>
> > Although we may safely dismiss the statement that
> > the "legacy
> > of Gershwin" will "endure" in the unimaginably
> > torrential flux
> > of "civilization as we know it",
>
>You are right about this, and Marty was, also.  I am
>given to hyperbole.  Perhaps it would have more honest
>to have said, "Civilization as I would like it to be."

I'm likely right about Gershwin, but that's a fairly trivial point.  As an
example, he was nothing but a lame herring.  Tushar's thesis is
significantly richer and more complex than the little one I was making.   I
respect his point, and don't think it's fair to him to conflate my
nitpicking with his grand theory.
>
>But I am also attracted to music, graphic art, etc.,
>of other cultures.  Now that sounds like apologetic
>rationalization and maybe condescending, but I don't
>mean it to be.

You've stated that you're not an intellectual.  You might reflect on this
question: what's the difference, if any, between being an intellectual and
simply being a consumer?  The rest of your comments below are at once smarmy
and obtuse.  I don't think Tushar intended the photos to "pull at our
emotions."  That would hardly be his approach to argument.  But the pictures
are vivid reminders that when we talk about outside judgments of U.S.
culture, we have to consider more than a billion people who may not even
care about the world cup, let alone the NBA.  I just wish that in some of
those photos I could tell whether anyone is wearing athletic shoes, and if
so, what brand.

Since your opinions are subject to immediate change without notice, I
suggest that you go ahead and reverse all the opinions you express below at
once.  That would be most expedient.  Or you could at least save me a bit of
trouble by spending 15 minutes pondering why everything you say is wrong.

>
>
>I think that the
> > fame of Madonna
> > or Michael Jordan is overestimated too. I know
> > (well, have casually
> > spoken with) Irish people who hadn't heard of either
> > until they
> > came to America a few years ago. I can tell you that
> > less than
> > 10% of all people in these pictures
> > <http://samant.com/mumbai/>
>
>There is not doubt these photos are pull at one's
>emotions; however, are we not getting rather far
>afield from "American" representatives of culture?
>
>
> > understand anything meaningful by the words "Michael
> > Jordan".
> > I didn't go to Namibia to take these pictures--they
> > are from
> > A Representative Neighborhood of (probably) the
> > world's largest
> > city.
> >
> > We should be aware of the vastness and diversity of
> > "civilization
> > as we know it". We live in the 21st century. There
> > is a basic set
> > of behaviors which we should treat as obsolete. Just
> > as we should
> > never be impressed even slightly by sonorous
> > fact-free appeals to
> > "freedom", "justice", etc,
>
>- stop! - I agree again, but I maintain we have left
>the subject of the discussion well behind us -
>
>
>  we should immediately
> > recognize as absurd
> > any claim about the universal popularity or enduring
> > legacy of any
> > figure.
>
>But here I disagree.  As you know, I am fairly
>conservative in my general attitudes (not all, not for
>a moment).  The liberal parts of me insist that there
>are universal truths (dismiss popularity for this
>purpose)that we recognize as our elementally leading
>forces.  And those individuals who have expounded or
>espoused those universal truths have bequeathed them
>to us.  Thus have been formed all of the parameters by
>which we remain civilized - custom, law, religion -
>and even in fortunate cases, justice and freedom.  The
>individuals (apocryphal or not, and they exist in all
>cultures) have certainly left us a legacy.
>
>All of the above are my opinions only, and are subject
>to change without notice.
>
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>
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> > came to America a few years ago. I can tell you that less than
> > 10% of all people in these pictures <http://samant.com/mumbai/>
> > understand anything meaningful by the words "Michael Jordan".
>
>Who (which Americans) would be meaningful?
>
>I mean, as a positive cultural legacy.
>

Why positive?  But I'd like to hear an answer to this as well.

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02003-08-08 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > Although we may safely dismiss the statement that the "legacy
> > of Gershwin" will "endure" in the unimaginably torrential flux
> > of "civilization as we know it",
>
> You are right about this, and Marty was, also.  I am
> given to hyperbole.  Perhaps it would have more honest
> to have said, "Civilization as I would like it to be."

It's not even that. You would like it to endure, and you would
like civilization, whatever that means, to endure. That's about
it, if not less. Personally, I would simply like to be able to
listen to it whenever I want, and I believe "civilization" is
likely to guarantee that for my lifetime.

> > I think that the fame of Madonna or Michael Jordan is overestimated
> > too. I know (well, have casually spoken with) Irish people who hadn't
> > heard of either until they came to America a few years ago. I can
> > tell you that less than 10% of all people in these pictures
> > <http://samant.com/mumbai/>
>
> There is not doubt these photos are pull at one's
> emotions; however, are we not getting rather far
> afield from "American" representatives of culture?

Those pictures are not meant to pull at any emotion. They are
whatever I had at hand to describe a huge mass of people to
whom Michael Jordan or Madonna mean exactly as much as Gershwin
or Mark Twain. This is very relevant to any discussion of the
"representatives" of a culture. Whatever else I said is to
emphasize the fact that they are not to be considered exceptional
cases.

There aren't and never were universally popular artists. Smart
people have always known this; I am just saying that the rest
of us should realize it, being in a "global" society and what
not.

> But here I disagree.  As you know, I am fairly
> conservative in my general attitudes (not all, not for
> a moment).  The liberal parts of me insist that there
> are universal truths (dismiss popularity for this
> purpose)that we recognize as our elementally leading
> forces.  And those individuals who have expounded or
> espoused those universal truths have bequeathed them
> to us.  Thus have been formed all of the parameters by
> which we remain civilized - custom, law, religion -
> and even in fortunate cases, justice and freedom.  The
> individuals (apocryphal or not, and they exist in all
> cultures) have certainly left us a legacy.

I don't know why this is in this thread ... It's a pretty
rare thing for a "universal truth to be bequeathed" etc--
enough not to figure in talk of this or that culture.
Such people come to be seen as extracultural anyway.

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Theoretical has interesting meanings in Chicago. Tell us about your
refrigerator, windows, fire escape, neighbors, and so forth.

>Yes, I have moved to a different station. It's even a different
>line, theoretically. I say theoretically because it's still the
>north side and hence most people from Chicago will scorn the
>idea that I have moved anywhere different.

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On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:31:38 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:

>Although we may safely dismiss the statement that the "legacy
>of Gershwin" will "endure" in the unimaginably torrential flux
>of "civilization as we know it", I think that the fame of Madonna
>or Michael Jordan is overestimated too. I know (well, have casually
>spoken with) Irish people who hadn't heard of either until they
>came to America a few years ago. I can tell you that less than
>10% of all people in these pictures <http://samant.com/mumbai/>
>understand anything meaningful by the words "Michael Jordan".
>I didn't go to Namibia to take these pictures--they are from
>A Representative Neighborhood of (probably) the world's largest
>city.
>
>We should be aware of the vastness and diversity of "civilization
>as we know it". We live in the 21st century. There is a basic set
>of behaviors which we should treat as obsolete. Just as we should
>never be impressed even slightly by sonorous fact-free appeals to
>"freedom", "justice", etc, we should immediately recognize as absurd
>any claim about the universal popularity or enduring legacy of any
>figure.

I do homage to your clear perception. Your photos are wonderful, by the
way. This post, when I finally read it, hit quite a nerve. I do apologize
for skipping it at first because it on breezing through the topic seemed
played out.

Your post is like a roll of quarters hitting the floor and breaking open -
I don't know which spinning coin of thought to follow across the floor.

I want to place the second paragraph on a poster, and put it on my door at
work. The only "but" that comes to mind is, that other people in other
centuries have begged for the death of hero worship and sheeplike following
of leaderly rhetoric, thinking that in "these modern times" we should
surely be ready to think beyond the parameters of our own experience.
Why should the 21st century break through our blinders? They appear to be
built in.

Let's not imagine, either, that this reference to ignorance of a specific
American is a case of "furrin" sensibility. Do you know, there are places
in the middle of some American cities where you can turn a corner and hit
unpaved, yes, <dirt> roads? What do the children who grow up in homes along
those streets think "a city" is like? Who will they have heard of? With
such diversity in how people live, even in close proximity, why should they
know the same things, or respect the same people? I could go on; but the
details are trivial.

It's surprising that so many people in odd corners of the world know about
Michael Jordan; but equally surprising that we think it important that
everyone should know <anything>. Specific facts are not, can't be, innately
part of the human experience. What a horrible world it conjures up - they
rigidly structured world where "everyone has heard the name of Jesus",
where specific books (or points of grammar) are taught in every curriculum.

I have to go ponder my new mantra now. My eyes have been opened, Samantic
one. I go to meditate upon the Magic Path.

clo

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02003-08-08 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > came to America a few years ago. I can tell you that less than
> > 10% of all people in these pictures <http://samant.com/mumbai/>
> > understand anything meaningful by the words "Michael Jordan".
>
> Who (which Americans) would be meaningful?
>
> I mean, as a positive cultural legacy.

I don't know. Go up to any of these people and ask them; they will
have no answer. Why should they? I could tell you which "famous
Americans" *I* knew, say, in middle school, if that helps. Lincoln.
Ben Franklin. Edison. That sort of thing. I emphatically didn't
know anything about e.g. Elvis--in fact I remember asking someone
whether that guy with the sideburns wasn't "Enrico" something. Think
about it ... Let's put it this way--none of the enduring greats of
Hollywood or Broadway, with their permanent legacies, ever figured
in my trickle-down knowledge. The point is, I belonged to a certain
kind of "tribe", and it determined what its legacy was, because
it had a specific set of "nerve endings" coming into it from other
groups. If some folk musician we admired lifted one song from the
Temptations (or Four Tops, maybe), we thought that was a minor
positive legacy. (If anyone ever really investigated why the
Japanese like this or that "bizarre" American thing, they will
find some such substantial reason.) There is no pretension as to
this legacy being "right" in any sense, but that's the only honest
stance possible ... As far as music is concerned, I believe Louis
Armstrong and Coltrane will remain fixed points while immense
quantities of cheesy-ass music waxes and wanes in popularity
and retro-popularity ... But that is because *I* see a similarity
with what I was taught to recognize as enduring music. Conclusion:
don't ask anyone shit about legacy.

PS: Just to add to the weirdness, in school I used to think Luther
Burbank was a very famous guy, and had left an enduring legacy.
Does anybody even know who I am talking about? Screw you all ...

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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 00:52:51 -0400, Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
wrote:

>>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
>>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: Re: Judging books by their covers
>>Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:31:38 -0500
>>
>>02003-08-08 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
>> > The argument suggested by my question is that pleadings related to
>> > American culture that use Bernstein, Gershwin, and Twain as evidence
are
>> > weak because: 1. most Americans aren't knowledgable of or influenced by
>> > them.  That is, they are exceptional rather than representative.  And
2.
>> > the most widely known figures associated with American culture, both
>>inside
>> > and outside the U.S. are more like those I mentioned than those Karen
>> > mentioned. They are more representative, but they wouldn't likely
>>support
>> > whatever point it was she was hoping to support.
>>
>>Although we may safely dismiss the statement that the "legacy
>>of Gershwin" will "endure" in the unimaginably torrential flux
>>of "civilization as we know it", I think that the fame of Madonna
>>or Michael Jordan is overestimated too. I know (well, have casually
>>spoken with) Irish people who hadn't heard of either until they
>>came to America a few years ago. I can tell you that less than
>>10% of all people in these pictures <http://samant.com/mumbai/>
>>understand anything meaningful by the words "Michael Jordan".
>>I didn't go to Namibia to take these pictures--they are from
>>A Representative Neighborhood of (probably) the world's largest
>>city.
>
>There is a good point here.  It may be that to these Irishfolks, judgments
>about U.S. culture are completely irrelevant.  Indeed, it could be that
U.S.
>concerns about such things, and desires for respect, admiration, and love
>from the rest of the world are little more than insecure navel gazing.
>Certainly the most important impact the U.S. has on most of the world isn't
>cultural by economic, and is expressed by sucking up oil, fish, nickel,
>diamonds, and protein, and spewing out hydrocarbons and sewage.  That makes
>for a lasting legacy.
>

I agree that there is a good point, but I don't think that's the one. The
good point is that icons, judged from inside a culture by any measure
(greatness, popularity, income, etc) have no relevance in the judgments
made from outside.

Yes, all judgments about US culture might be irrelevant; but most
importantly, what we judge to be memorable or guess (or want) to be shared
between us and others is not necessarily of value to someone else.

If our fearless leaders would get this message, it would dramatically alter
foreign policy!

clo

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>02003-08-08 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > The argument suggested by my question is that pleadings related to
> > American culture that use Bernstein, Gershwin, and Twain as evidence are
> > weak because: 1. most Americans aren't knowledgable of or influenced by
> > them.  That is, they are exceptional rather than representative.  And 2.
> > the most widely known figures associated with American culture, both
>inside
> > and outside the U.S. are more like those I mentioned than those Karen
> > mentioned. They are more representative, but they wouldn't likely
>support
> > whatever point it was she was hoping to support.
>
>Although we may safely dismiss the statement that the "legacy
>of Gershwin" will "endure" in the unimaginably torrential flux
>of "civilization as we know it", I think that the fame of Madonna
>or Michael Jordan is overestimated too. I know (well, have casually
>spoken with) Irish people who hadn't heard of either until they
>came to America a few years ago. I can tell you that less than
>10% of all people in these pictures <http://samant.com/mumbai/>
>understand anything meaningful by the words "Michael Jordan".
>I didn't go to Namibia to take these pictures--they are from
>A Representative Neighborhood of (probably) the world's largest
>city.

There is a good point here.  It may be that to these Irishfolks, judgments
about U.S. culture are completely irrelevant.  Indeed, it could be that U.S.
concerns about such things, and desires for respect, admiration, and love
from the rest of the world are little more than insecure navel gazing.
Certainly the most important impact the U.S. has on most of the world isn't
cultural by economic, and is expressed by sucking up oil, fish, nickel,
diamonds, and protein, and spewing out hydrocarbons and sewage.  That makes
for a lasting legacy.

>We should be aware of the vastness and diversity of "civilization
>as we know it". We live in the 21st century. There is a basic set
>of behaviors which we should treat as obsolete. Just as we should
>never be impressed even slightly by sonorous fact-free appeals to
>"freedom", "justice", etc, we should immediately recognize as absurd
>any claim about the universal popularity or enduring legacy of any
>figure.

Yes, everything is subject to the cycles of fashion.  Q ratings don't last.

Here's a tangent.  If it's related to this thread, I can't quite tell how,
but it comes to mind just now, so I'll leave it to you to figure out whether
and why it's relevant: I came across an interesting piece of information the
other day.  It was in an article from Petits Propos Culinaires on the social
history and cultivation of saffron in Spain (I don't have the article in
front of me, but I can post precise details later, and someone more learned
than me may know the details already).  Sometime in the 16th century, King
Philip of Spain (I guess that would be Philip II) decided he wanted to
document everything that could be known about the history and culture of his
domain.  To accomplish that, he summoned some 1500 elder folks from some 500
locales (I'm guessing at these numbers) and had them interviewed by clerks
who asked them standard sets of questions, which they were supposed to
answer off the tops of their heads,  then invited them to add other
information related to their local communities.  (this was background
information related to the apparatus: the interviews were transcribed, the
information was stored away, and the the archives are one of the main
sources of information about the saffron trade during that period--and lots
of other stuff as well, of course--and understanding saffron is one of the
keys to understanding Spanish economics, politics, agriculture, society, and
so forth).

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Cool, it'll be coming on here as well, then.  Thanks for the tip.

>From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
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>World Series of Poker is on ESPN2 at 10:30 PST.
>
>Maybe I'll learn something.

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World Series of Poker is on ESPN2 at 10:30 PST.

Maybe I'll learn something.

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02003-08-08 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > We should be aware of the vastness and diversity of "civilization
> > as we know it". We live in the 21st century. There is a basic set
> > of behaviors which we should treat as obsolete.
>
> Like, which?

Below ...

>  Just as we should
> > never be impressed even slightly by sonorous fact-free appeals to
> > "freedom", "justice", etc, we should immediately recognize as absurd
> > any claim about the universal popularity or enduring legacy of any
> > figure.
>
> Well, there's Ghandi.

What is his legacy? I can't think of anything precise. The
big lament is that anything which could have been his legacy
has all withered away.

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02003-08-08 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > I'm sorry, weren't you the one claiming that Gandhi is universally
> > admired? I don't believe that for a second.
>
> Well I think he's icon-ized and lipserviced in the U.S.  I don't know
> about elsewhere.

That is because it's an unassailable peg to hang your statement
on.

(Or it may be even less, like quoting T S Eliot--who I believe
functions sort of as a one-stop compilation of rented thoughts ...
Instead of quoting a difficult statement by an original thinker,
you quote a simplified version by Eliot.)

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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 00:00:42 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:

>02003-08-08 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
>> On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>> > came to America a few years ago. I can tell you that less than
>> > 10% of all people in these pictures <http://samant.com/mumbai/>
>> > understand anything meaningful by the words "Michael Jordan".
>>
>> Who (which Americans) would be meaningful?
>>
>> I mean, as a positive cultural legacy.
>
>I don't know. Go up to any of these people and ask them; they will
>have no answer. Why should they? I could tell you which "famous
>Americans" *I* knew, say, in middle school, if that helps. Lincoln.
>Ben Franklin. Edison.

And these, in spite of the resemblance to the head on the penny, are not
so well known in middle school any more at all.


That sort of thing. I emphatically didn't
>know anything about e.g. Elvis--in fact I remember asking someone
>whether that guy with the sideburns wasn't "Enrico" something. Think
>about it ... Let's put it this way--none of the enduring greats of
>Hollywood or Broadway, with their permanent legacies, ever figured
>in my trickle-down knowledge. The point is, I belonged to a certain
>kind of "tribe", and it determined what its legacy was, because
>it had a specific set of "nerve endings" coming into it from other
>groups. If some folk musician we admired lifted one song from the
>Temptations (or Four Tops, maybe), we thought that was a minor
>positive legacy. (If anyone ever really investigated why the
>Japanese like this or that "bizarre" American thing, they will
>find some such substantial reason.) There is no pretension as to
>this legacy being "right" in any sense, but that's the only honest
>stance possible ... As far as music is concerned, I believe Louis
>Armstrong and Coltrane will remain fixed points while immense
>quantities of cheesy-ass music waxes and wanes in popularity
>and retro-popularity ... But that is because *I* see a similarity
>with what I was taught to recognize as enduring music. Conclusion:
>don't ask anyone shit about legacy.
>
>PS: Just to add to the weirdness, in school I used to think Luther
>Burbank was a very famous guy, and had left an enduring legacy.
>Does anybody even know who I am talking about? Screw you all ...

PS, I definitely think Luther Burbank left an enduring legacy. Of course
I know who you are talking about. But I come from a region where his work
was important.

oh - and screw you too. (is that the same as "HUGZ"?)
clo

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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 00:06:44 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:

>02003-08-08 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
>> On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> > I'm sorry, weren't you the one claiming that Gandhi is universally
>> > admired? I don't believe that for a second.
>>
>> Well I think he's icon-ized and lipserviced in the U.S.  I don't know
>> about elsewhere.
>
>That is because it's an unassailable peg to hang your statement
>on.
>
>(Or it may be even less, like quoting T S Eliot--who I believe
>functions sort of as a one-stop compilation of rented thoughts ...
>Instead of quoting a difficult statement by an original thinker,
>you quote a simplified version by Eliot.)

"Because I do not hope.
Because I do not hope to turn.
Because I do not hope to turn again. "

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On Friday, August 08, 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> Ann:
>>Well I think he's icon-ized and lipserviced in the U.S.

> Nah, his days as an icon are long past - event the lip-service
> is dying down.

That's my impression also.

Karen

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> >
> >There is a good point here.  It may be that to these Irishfolks,
>judgments
> >about U.S. culture are completely irrelevant.  Indeed, it could be that
>U.S.
> >concerns about such things, and desires for respect, admiration, and love
> >from the rest of the world are little more than insecure navel gazing.
> >Certainly the most important impact the U.S. has on most of the world
>isn't
> >cultural by economic, and is expressed by sucking up oil, fish, nickel,
> >diamonds, and protein, and spewing out hydrocarbons and sewage.  That
>makes
> >for a lasting legacy.

>I agree that there is a good point, but I don't think that's the one. The
>good point is that icons, judged from inside a culture by any measure
>(greatness, popularity, income, etc) have no relevance in the judgments
>made from outside.

I think you're right.  I was a bit sloppy in formulating that paragraph.  To
be clear, I was _reacting_ to his point, not restating, interpreting, or
attempting to skew it in a different direction.

>Yes, all judgments about US culture might be irrelevant; but most
>importantly, what we judge to be memorable or guess (or want) to be shared
>between us and others is not necessarily of value to someone else.

I think this is certainly true about cultural output.  In fact, what we
judge memorable or guess (or want) to be shared might be expected to have
negative impacts on others.  Culture, from myth to epic to novel to movie,
is largely apologia.  It's an attempt to portray ourselves in a good light,
creating warm and fuzzy images of ourselves and keeping the soft wool pulled
over our eyes.  Most of our cultural output reinforces our values.  Even
pervasive irony and cynicism, which one might assume are critical, have the
effect of placing all of us (yes, all, since everybody always "gets it") at
a safe, comfortable remove from responsibility for our collective vices.

>If our fearless leaders would get this message, it would dramatically alter
>foreign policy!

Oh, I wouldn't worry about that little thing.  Our fearless leaders probably
see things more clearly than the rest of us.  I don't think they're
hypocrites or stupid.  I think they're amoral and focused.  And they clearly
don't think that the rest of the world offers anything of value to them,
except of course for oil and consumers.

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02003-08-09 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >Kristin can speak for Estonia; Espen, for Norway; Roy, Steph, chopped
> >liver for elsewhere . . .
>
> I'm not really sure but it seems to me (from this distance) that his 15
> minutes of icon-dom are over in India ...

People like Gandhi get more than 15 minutes. The first 15 are "over",
sort of because everyone my age, around me, was brought up to sneer
at pussy social theories, emotional glorification of poverty, spiritual
mumbo-jumbo, etc. I mean WE were all extremely hard-headed realists,
who understood the importance of mastering "falsehood and violence".
This is moronic, immature bonsai-thinking which has great appeal at
a certain place and time. I realized soon enough what its local source
was--those people now enjoy top political powers in India. But that's
in no way a permanent situation. When the forces of mega-mergers and
consolidations become unbearable, maybe ideas of "village economy"
etc will enjoy a comeback. Who knows?

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I despise Phil Helmuth.


>From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
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>
>World Series of Poker is on ESPN2 at 10:30 PST.
>
>Maybe I'll learn something.

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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 01:32:01 -0400, Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
wrote:

>I despise Phil Helmuth.
>
>
>>From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
>>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: Texas Hold-Em
>>Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:40:43 -0700
>>
>>World Series of Poker is on ESPN2 at 10:30 PST.
>>
>>Maybe I'll learn something.
>

well, now we have all learned something.
clo

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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 00:30:28 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:

>02003-08-09 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
>> >Kristin can speak for Estonia; Espen, for Norway; Roy, Steph, chopped
>> >liver for elsewhere . . .
>>
>> I'm not really sure but it seems to me (from this distance) that his 15
>> minutes of icon-dom are over in India ...
>
>People like Gandhi get more than 15 minutes. The first 15 are "over",
>sort of because everyone my age, around me, was brought up to sneer
>at pussy social theories, emotional glorification of poverty, spiritual
>mumbo-jumbo, etc. I mean WE were all extremely hard-headed realists,
>who understood the importance of mastering "falsehood and violence".
>This is moronic, immature bonsai-thinking which has great appeal at
>a certain place and time. I realized soon enough what its local source
>was--those people now enjoy top political powers in India. But that's
>in no way a permanent situation. When the forces of mega-mergers and
>consolidations become unbearable, maybe ideas of "village economy"
>etc will enjoy a comeback. Who knows?

"There is no character, howsoever good and fine, but it can be destroyed by
ridicule, howsoever poor and witless. " - Mark Twain

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02003-08-09 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Tushar:
>
> >It is my considered opinion that Dr Borkin should somehow obtain and
> >read a "grpahic novel" which I recently read: Ghost World. I think Dr
> Ann will find a familiar character in it.
>
> Better yet, rent the movie. Ghost World is one of my all-time faves
> (favorites for BB). Thora Birch and Steve Buschemi are unforgettable
> as characters familiar to Anna Borinki. The movie's based on the
> "graphic novel", btw.

I am going to see it ... I had decided not to, but then I found
this book. The reason I had decided not to is because of a few
total MORONS who talked on and on about it. I don't know if
these MORONS realize they are being laughed at in the movie!
The crowning glory was to call the worst song ever produced
by Bollywood a great song (apparently it comes on for a few
seconds) ... i.e. the point was entirely missed. This devoid-
of-any-intelligence crap is a significant blot on certain
Chicago neighborhoods (basically the ones where hipster
jackasses have driven out Mexicans). Anyway, so I thought
it wouldn't be much of a movie, but now that I have read
the book ...

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02003-08-08 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> You guys are disgustingly cutesy!

Karen,

Thank for noticing that.

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At 07:40 PM 8/8/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>Who (which Americans) would be meaningful?
>
>I mean, as a positive cultural legacy.

The problem is that it may take a generation or so before any <legacy> is
established or recognized, so talking about contemporary (or nearly so)
Americans is a guess.  Earlier, Gershwin and Bernstein were mentioned;
perhaps in the long run, Copland will be more remembered/appreciated in
terms of true "American" music (if there is such a thing).  But it may take
time.  If I remember my music history correctly, J.S. Bach was largely
ignored and unappreciated until Felix Mendelssohn resurrected his works
some 70-80 years after Bach's death.

In the visual arts, people like the three generations of Wyeths---N.C.,
Andrew, James---I believe are a part of our cultural legacy.  In the long
run, perhaps the films of Kubrick, Coppola, and Scorsese may be more
influential/culturally iconic than any of the painters, writers, or
musician/composers of this era.

cwv

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02003-08-09 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> At 07:40 PM 8/8/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
> >Who (which Americans) would be meaningful?
> >
> >I mean, as a positive cultural legacy.
>
> The problem is that it may take a generation or so before any <legacy> is
> established or recognized, so talking about contemporary (or nearly so)
> Americans is a guess.  Earlier, Gershwin and Bernstein were mentioned;
> perhaps in the long run, Copland will be more remembered/appreciated in
> terms of true "American" music (if there is such a thing).  But it may take
> time.  If I remember my music history correctly, J.S. Bach was largely
> ignored and unappreciated until Felix Mendelssohn resurrected his works
> some 70-80 years after Bach's death.
>
> In the visual arts, people like the three generations of Wyeths---N.C.,
> Andrew, James---I believe are a part of our cultural legacy.  In the long
> run, perhaps the films of Kubrick, Coppola, and Scorsese may be more
> influential/culturally iconic than any of the painters, writers, or
> musician/composers of this era.

Hm, just as I mentioned a couple of black guys nobody listens to,
Dr Voigtlander has named a bunch of white guys 3 people have heard
of. It follows that the real long-term legacy is going to be left
by Arab women ...

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02003-08-09 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Tushar's thesis is significantly richer and more complex

Bre'r Marty,

I just wanted to mention that you can drop by any time and
post whatever you like.

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02003-08-09 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> I do homage to your clear perception. Your photos are wonderful, by the
> way. This post, when I finally read it, hit quite a nerve. I do apologize
> for skipping it at first because it on breezing through the topic seemed
> played out.

It's OK, I apologized for you.

> I want to place the second paragraph on a poster, and put it on my door at
> work. The only "but" that comes to mind is, that other people in other
> centuries have begged for the death of hero worship and sheeplike following
> of leaderly rhetoric, thinking that in "these modern times" we should
> surely be ready to think beyond the parameters of our own experience.

Or maybe we should just not be all LIKE THAT. Honestly, there is
no "thought" that I wanted to convey other than that there are no
universally popular artists.

As for why the 21st century is "different" ... a rock-star friend
of mine--we all know the type--was saying he didn't know which the
hell direction to take his band. No matter what he did he will be
losing a chunk of people. Oh, how we long for the days, say 40
years ago, when a band had a chance of appealing to *everyone*,
and not worry about the hundred schisms now!

You see ... even with a completely ridiculous notion of some golden
age, this guy knows it's not true now. That's our everyday experience
now, to find people in our own neighborhood--or "subdivision"--who
know nothing about our idol.

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At 08:35 AM 8/9/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:

>John will be here tomorrow for a couple of weeks. He <always> brings
>favorable weather with him.
>
>AS

Doesn't that man have to work anymore? When do you go back to school?

The busy signals are arriving here. One more week.

Betty

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>Yep. One more year at Murky State -- then outta here!
>
>AS

>I bet that doesn't make Master Carl's grandparents happy.

Actually, it does because we will all be better off in so many ways. We
don't see my parents that often, anyway -- except for my mother, who is
always ready to travel at the drop of a hat (and does). The Pittsburgh
grandparents and other family affiliates there can just as easily see (or
<not> see) Carl in the Phoenix area as they can here; they've been apprised
of the change and extended an open invitation (and there's little danger
that they will take us up on it; if so, that's fine too).

Also, we will be able to come here several times a year, at least.

AS

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02003-08-09 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> There is a good point here.  It may be that to these Irishfolks,
> judgments about U.S. culture are completely irrelevant.

Actually, these guys were very interested, since they want to
live in Chicago. But they hadn't heard of Michael Jordan.

> Indeed, it could be that U.S. concerns about such things, and
> desires for respect, admiration, and love from the rest of the
> world are little more than insecure navel gazing.

It may not be a U.S. concern. But for Americans to whom it's
a concern, yes, it's largely insecure behavior.

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> AS, GMA-tested

>I think you're the sissy: try it with 40% humidity.


No, thanks. Other applications of my talents beckon.

Besides, the humidity here at this time typically runs in the 90 percentile,
and temps in the upper 90s. Whatever. I've spent most of this week battling
an onslaught of sinusitis.

If it's so damned uncomfortable, crank up the A/C; it's what I do.

John will be here tomorrow for a couple of weeks. He <always> brings
favorable weather with him.

AS

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On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-08-08 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> You guys are disgustingly cutesy!

> Karen,

> Thank for noticing that.

Tushar,

You are more than welcome.

Karen

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On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Amy Burns Short wrote:
> If it's so damned uncomfortable, crank up the A/C; it's what I do.

You have an income to support your profligate A/C habits; I don't.

Karen

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>You have an income to support your profligate A/C habits; I don't.

You are quite right about that.

AS

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>Doesn't that man have to work anymore?

:).

>When do you go back to school?

I have had a 12-month gig on campus since October '02; however, our fall
semester starts Aug. 20. I'll also be teaching a section of Composition and
Research this time.

>The busy signals are arriving here. One more week.

Yep. One more year at Murky State -- then outta here!

AS

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At 09:01 AM 8/9/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:

>Yep. One more year at Murky State -- then outta here!
>
>AS

I bet that doesn't make Master Carl's grandparents happy.

Betty

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> Doesn't that man have to work anymore? When do you go back to school?
>
> Betty
>

I had accumulated bagsful of vacation over the years, so much so that I
was losing time.  I'll be back at it when school starts the 25th.

JMW, looking forward to the coolth of Kentucky, among other things

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At 07:01 AM 8/9/2003 -0700, John Williams wrote:

>JMW, looking forward to the coolth of Kentucky, among other things

You animal!

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What's this?  Are you coming to Kentucky?  Where and when?

>From: John Williams <williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU>
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> > Doesn't that man have to work anymore? When do you go back to school?
> >
> > Betty
> >
>
>I had accumulated bagsful of vacation over the years, so much so that I
>was losing time.  I'll be back at it when school starts the 25th.
>
>JMW, looking forward to the coolth of Kentucky, among other things

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Do you need to be baptized again?

At 10:41 AM 8/9/2003 -0400, Marty Rosen wrote:
>What's this?  Are you coming to Kentucky?  Where and when?
>
>>From: John Williams <williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU>
>>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
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>>Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 07:01:07 -0700
>>
>> > Doesn't that man have to work anymore? When do you go back to school?
>> >
>> > Betty
>> >
>>
>>I had accumulated bagsful of vacation over the years, so much so that I
>>was losing time.  I'll be back at it when school starts the 25th.
>>
>>JMW, looking forward to the coolth of Kentucky, among other things
>
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        This thread has spun out of control in a horrifying way.  A
person almost can't eat her breakfast orbs and read at the
same time for fear of vomiting.

Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:31:38 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
>
>
>>Although we may safely dismiss the statement that the "legacy
>>of Gershwin" will "endure" in the unimaginably torrential flux
>>of "civilization as we know it", I think that the fame of Madonna
>>or Michael Jordan is overestimated too. I know (well, have casually
>>spoken with) Irish people who hadn't heard of either until they
>>came to America a few years ago. I can tell you that less than
>>10% of all people in these pictures <http://samant.com/mumbai/>
>>understand anything meaningful by the words "Michael Jordan".
>>I didn't go to Namibia to take these pictures--they are from
>>A Representative Neighborhood of (probably) the world's largest
>>city.
>>
>>We should be aware of the vastness and diversity of "civilization
>>as we know it". We live in the 21st century. There is a basic set
>>of behaviors which we should treat as obsolete. Just as we should
>>never be impressed even slightly by sonorous fact-free appeals to
>>"freedom", "justice", etc, we should immediately recognize as absurd
>>any claim about the universal popularity or enduring legacy of any
>>figure.
>>
>
> I do homage to your clear perception. Your photos are wonderful, by the
> way. This post, when I finally read it, hit quite a nerve. I do apologize
> for skipping it at first because it on breezing through the topic seemed
> played out.
>
> Your post is like a roll of quarters hitting the floor and breaking open -
> I don't know which spinning coin of thought to follow across the floor.
>
> I want to place the second paragraph on a poster, and put it on my door at
> work. The only "but" that comes to mind is, that other people in other
> centuries have begged for the death of hero worship and sheeplike following
> of leaderly rhetoric, thinking that in "these modern times" we should
> surely be ready to think beyond the parameters of our own experience.
> Why should the 21st century break through our blinders? They appear to be
> built in.
>
> Let's not imagine, either, that this reference to ignorance of a specific
> American is a case of "furrin" sensibility. Do you know, there are places
> in the middle of some American cities where you can turn a corner and hit
> unpaved, yes, <dirt> roads? What do the children who grow up in homes along
> those streets think "a city" is like? Who will they have heard of? With
> such diversity in how people live, even in close proximity, why should they
> know the same things, or respect the same people? I could go on; but the
> details are trivial.
>
> It's surprising that so many people in odd corners of the world know about
> Michael Jordan; but equally surprising that we think it important that
> everyone should know <anything>. Specific facts are not, can't be, innately
> part of the human experience. What a horrible world it conjures up - they
> rigidly structured world where "everyone has heard the name of Jesus",
> where specific books (or points of grammar) are taught in every curriculum.
>
> I have to go ponder my new mantra now. My eyes have been opened, Samantic
> one. I go to meditate upon the Magic Path.
>
> clo
>
>


--
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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> >
>
> Why positive?

Because I wanted to ignore all the evil.

Ann

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02003-08-09 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Theoretical has interesting meanings in Chicago. Tell us about your
> refrigerator, windows, fire escape, neighbors, and so forth.

Unless there's a mortgage and closing fees, I don't think it can
possibly get interesting, but here goes: I have a small refrigerator
(a good thing), large windows with low wide sills (an excellent thing),
and no fire escape (an OK thing, since the windows are about 10 or 12
feet above ground and the ground has grass on it). The one neighbor
I met is some gay guy across the hall--well I don't know that he's
gay but hell what else could he be, look at him. Another neighbor
is one K P****** whose electric bill was in my mailbox when I moved
in--and this matches a car I saw parked out front with the license
plate "Kris". A third neighbor has an iron door decoration in the
shape of a cat, clearly bought at some antique store in Guiltywhite,
IL. The fourth neighbor has a taped American flag. The fifth neighbor,
on another floor, is without a doubt the "partner" of the first one--I
know this, and time will bear me out. The sixth and seventh seem to be
a couple given to occasional but not annoying bickering, and a family
with kids really into action video games--now that I think of it this
might be just one home. Which leaves either four or five households
unaccounted for. Reports will be trickling in as time goes by.

Due to the mail left by the previous occupant I now know that a new,
brilliantly colored heterogenous stone may be the next rage in gems.
The name begins with an A and it goes well with tourmaline. I also
learned that one of the great jewelry designers of the century was
actually from Goa. Who knew .... See the last obituary in
<http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/obituaries/5621944.htm>.
Various other highly interesting pieces in this newsletter have
prompted me to look for a gemology class for the idle non-rich.

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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 07:40:35 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:

>Hm, just as I mentioned a couple of black guys nobody listens to,
>Dr Voigtlander has named a bunch of white guys 3 people have heard
>of. It follows that the real long-term legacy is going to be left
>by Arab women ...

Joanna Kadi and what two others?
clo

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Karen:
>>Ann:

> >>Well I think he's icon-ized and lipserviced in the U.S.

> > Nah, his days as an icon are long past - even the lip-service
> > is dying down.

>That's my impression also.

Ann's stuck in the 60s. Now Leo Strauss, AEI and the neo-cons r00l.

One of my pet peeves - trotting out stereotypes from the 60s when
the country's changed so much.

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02003-08-09 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>        This thread has spun out of control in a horrifying way.  A
> person almost can't eat her breakfast orbs and read at the
> same time for fear of vomiting.

Kiss My Ass [tm]

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At 03:16 PM 8/9/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
One of my pet peeves - trotting out stereotypes from the 60s when
>the country's changed so much.

Yes, but have you noticed that the style of clothing is making a come
back?  Bell bottoms and those tops with the big sleeves? I hate it.

Betty

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02003-08-09 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 03:16 PM 8/9/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> >One of my pet peeves - trotting out stereotypes from the 60s when
> >the country's changed so much.
>
> Yes, but have you noticed that the style of clothing is making a come
> back?  Bell bottoms and those tops with the big sleeves? I hate it.

It's gone, Betty. Please. Leo Strauss jeans is where it's at.

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At 10:37 AM 8/9/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-08-09 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > At 03:16 PM 8/9/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> > >One of my pet peeves - trotting out stereotypes from the 60s when
> > >the country's changed so much.
> >
> > Yes, but have you noticed that the style of clothing is making a come
> > back?  Bell bottoms and those tops with the big sleeves? I hate it.
>
>It's gone, Betty. Please. Leo Strauss jeans is where it's at.

I'm seeing other labels on butts now.  Costco even has Calvin Klein now and
some people were buying stacks of them.  I just had shrimp and chicken in
my cart.

Betty

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02003-08-09 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> I'm seeing other labels on butts now.  Costco even has Calvin Klein now and
> some people were buying stacks of them.  I just had shrimp and chicken in
> my cart.

You are an obsolete stereotype. Grow up

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02003-08-09 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 07:40:35 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
>
> >Hm, just as I mentioned a couple of black guys nobody listens to,
> >Dr Voigtlander has named a bunch of white guys 3 people have heard
> >of. It follows that the real long-term legacy is going to be left
> >by Arab women ...
>
> Joanna Kadi and what two others?

Could be. Probably ...

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At 10:52 AM 8/9/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-08-09 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > I'm seeing other labels on butts now.  Costco even has Calvin Klein now and
> > some people were buying stacks of them.  I just had shrimp and chicken in
> > my cart.
>
>You are an obsolete stereotype. Grow up

I apologize for my lack of imagination. I should probably unsub.

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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:20:49 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:

>Due to the mail left by the previous occupant I now know that a new,
>brilliantly colored heterogenous stone may be the next rage in gems.
>The name begins with an A and it goes well with tourmaline. I also
>learned that one of the great jewelry designers of the century was
>actually from Goa. Who knew .... See the last obituary in
><http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/obituaries/5621944.htm>.

Speaking of old men riding public transportation.

"Goa is infamous for nudity, drugs and pedophilia"
http://indianvisit.com/ivnew/destinationguides/adventure/goa.htm

What a thing to write! Here's a perfectly respectable gentleman peacefully
doing his own housework, and look at the insinuations being left lying
around for anyone to pick up and lay at his door. I'm shocked, just shocked.

clo

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Betty wrote:

> At 10:37 AM 8/9/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
>> 02003-08-09 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
>> > At 03:16 PM 8/9/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>> > >One of my pet peeves - trotting out stereotypes from the 60s when
>> > >the country's changed so much.
>> >
>> > Yes, but have you noticed that the style of clothing is making a come
>> > back?  Bell bottoms and those tops with the big sleeves? I hate it.
>>
>> It's gone, Betty. Please. Leo Strauss jeans is where it's at.
>
>
> I'm seeing other labels on butts now.  Costco even has Calvin Klein now and
> some people were buying stacks of them.  I just had shrimp and chicken in
> my cart.


        You are tragically unhip.  Go kiss Tushar's ass immediately.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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02003-08-09 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
>At 03:16 PM 8/9/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> >One of my pet peeves - trotting out stereotypes from the 60s when
> >the country's changed so much.
>
>Yes, but have you noticed that the style of clothing is making a come
>back?  Bell bottoms and those tops with the big sleeves? I hate it.

I think they're called boot-cut jeans now. I like them better than
the tapered kind. I hate the "peasant" style blouses that are all
the rage. Not to mention cropped tops.

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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:21:57 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:

>02003-08-09 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>        This thread has spun out of control in a horrifying way.  A
>> person almost can't eat her breakfast orbs and read at the
>> same time for fear of vomiting.
>
>Kiss My Ass [tm]

TS,
Take a deep breath and be grateful she didn't say
"Get a room"!

clo

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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 09:59:34 -0500, Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> wrote:

>        This thread has spun out of control in a horrifying way.  A
>person almost can't eat her breakfast orbs and read at the
>same time for fear of vomiting.

*dubiously*
Well, that would be one way of dropping them on the floor, I suppose...
clo
>
>Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>>
>> Your post is like a roll of quarters hitting the floor and breaking open
>> I don't know which spinning coin of thought to follow across the floor.
>>

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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 08:11:43 -0700, Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> wrote:

>On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
>> >
>>
>> Why positive?
>
>Because I wanted to ignore all the evil.
>
>Ann

On words-fucking-l?!
clo

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"Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU>:

 > Very cool. No unemployment or anything. Keep on rocking.

Thanks, Alec. I did attend information seminars on unemployment, TAA
etc. It's nice not to have to use that stuff.

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02003-08-09 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 10:52 AM 8/9/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-08-09 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >> I'm seeing other labels on butts now.  Costco even has Calvin Klein
> >> now and some people were buying stacks of them.  I just had shrimp
> >> and chicken in my cart.
> >
> >You are an obsolete stereotype. Grow up
>
> I apologize for my lack of imagination. I should probably unsub.

You are a kind and thoughtful person, Betty.

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02003-08-09 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> Oh yes? I'd like to see the travelogue hazard list for my neck of the woods.
> Getting shot for standing in the wrong place springs to mind, not to mention
> being mistaken for a "terrorist" and arrested without being charged.

That may be true, but which tourist is going to your neck of the woods?

> What interests me is to know what kind of nudity could make a place
>  "infamous". Can you shed any light on this?

I am afraid it's something where light doesn't shed

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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 12:36:11 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:

>02003-08-09 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
>> On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:20:49 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
wrote:
>>
>> >Due to the mail left by the previous occupant I now know that a new,
>> >brilliantly colored heterogenous stone may be the next rage in gems.
>> >The name begins with an A and it goes well with tourmaline. I also
>> >learned that one of the great jewelry designers of the century was
>> >actually from Goa. Who knew .... See the last obituary in
>> ><http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/obituaries/5621944.htm>.
>>
>> Speaking of old men riding public transportation.
>>
>> "Goa is infamous for nudity, drugs and pedophilia"
>> http://indianvisit.com/ivnew/destinationguides/adventure/goa.htm
>>
>> What a thing to write! Here's a perfectly respectable gentleman
peacefully
>> doing his own housework, and look at the insinuations being left lying
>> around for anyone to pick up and lay at his door. I'm shocked, just
shocked.
>
>I'll take'em .. I am originally from Goa

Oh yes? I'd like to see the travelogue hazard list for my neck of the woods.
Getting shot for standing in the wrong place springs to mind, not to mention
being mistaken for a "terrorist" and arrested without being charged.

What interests me is to know what kind of nudity could make a place
 "infamous". Can you shed any light on this?

clo

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02003-08-09 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:20:49 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
>
> >Due to the mail left by the previous occupant I now know that a new,
> >brilliantly colored heterogenous stone may be the next rage in gems.
> >The name begins with an A and it goes well with tourmaline. I also
> >learned that one of the great jewelry designers of the century was
> >actually from Goa. Who knew .... See the last obituary in
> ><http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/obituaries/5621944.htm>.
>
> Speaking of old men riding public transportation.
>
> "Goa is infamous for nudity, drugs and pedophilia"
> http://indianvisit.com/ivnew/destinationguides/adventure/goa.htm
>
> What a thing to write! Here's a perfectly respectable gentleman peacefully
> doing his own housework, and look at the insinuations being left lying
> around for anyone to pick up and lay at his door. I'm shocked, just shocked.

I'll take'em .. I am originally from Goa

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--- Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> >From: Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
> >
> >You are right about this, and Marty was, also.  I
> am
> >given to hyperbole.  Perhaps it would have more
> honest
> >to have said, "Civilization as I would like it to
> be."
>
> I'm likely right about Gershwin, but that's a fairly
> trivial point.  As an
> example, he was nothing but a lame herring.
> Tushar's thesis is
> significantly richer and more complex than the
> little one I was making.   I
> respect his point, and don't think it's fair to him
> to conflate my
> nitpicking with his grand theory.
> Since your opinions are subject to immediate change
> without notice, I
> suggest that you go ahead and reverse all the
> opinions you express below at
> once.  That would be most expedient.  Or you could
> at least save me a bit of
> trouble by spending 15 minutes pondering why
> everything you say is wrong.

You should not feel compelled to spend time on
converting me.  It signifies no importance, anyway.

I have been accused of smarminess often enough that I
feel I must carry on in the tradition.

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> subject
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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-08-09 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > Oh yes? I'd like to see the travelogue hazard list for my neck of the woods.
> > Getting shot for standing in the wrong place springs to mind, not to mention
> > being mistaken for a "terrorist" and arrested without being charged.
>
> That may be true, but which tourist is going to your neck of the woods?
>
> > What interests me is to know what kind of nudity could make a place
> >  "infamous". Can you shed any light on this?
>
> I am afraid it's something where light doesn't shed
>

I should have expected this. Compared to Americans, "furreigners" are so
prudish!

clo

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> > > We should be aware of the vastness and diversity
> of "civilization
> > > as we know it". We live in the 21st century.
> There is a basic set
> > > of behaviors which we should treat as obsolete.
> >
> > Like, which?
>
> Below ...
>
> >  Just as we should
> > > never be impressed even slightly by sonorous
> fact-free appeals to
> > > "freedom", "justice", etc, we should immediately
> recognize as absurd
> > > any claim about the universal popularity or
> enduring legacy of any
> > > figure.


This is not an answer to Dr. Borkin's question.  What
set of behaviors should be regarded as obsolete?
Please specify, rather then backing up to your
"fact-free" appeals.



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--- "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> wrote:
> At 07:40 PM 8/8/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
> >Who (which Americans) would be meaningful?
> >
> >I mean, as a positive cultural legacy.
>
> The problem is that it may take a generation or so
> before any <legacy> is
> established or recognized, so talking about
> contemporary (or nearly so)
> Americans is a guess.  Earlier, Gershwin and
> Bernstein were mentioned;
> perhaps in the long run, Copland will be more
> remembered/appreciated in
> terms of true "American" music (if there is such a
> thing).  But it may take
> time.  If I remember my music history correctly,
> J.S. Bach was largely
> ignored and unappreciated until Felix Mendelssohn
> resurrected his works
> some 70-80 years after Bach's death.
>
> In the visual arts, people like the three
> generations of Wyeths---N.C.,
> Andrew, James---I believe are a part of our cultural
> legacy.  In the long
> run, perhaps the films of Kubrick, Coppola, and
> Scorsese may be more
> influential/culturally iconic than any of the
> painters, writers, or
> musician/composers of this era.
>
> cwv

I wouldn't change a word.


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> Due to the mail left by the previous occupant I now
> know that a new,
> brilliantly colored heterogenous stone may be the
> next rage in gems.
> The name begins with an A and it goes well with
> tourmaline. I also
> learned that one of the great jewelry designers of
> the century was
> actually from Goa. Who knew .... See the last
> obituary in
>
<http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/obituaries/5621944.htm>.
> Various other highly interesting pieces in this
> newsletter have
> prompted me to look for a gemology class for the
> idle non-rich.

That's not fair.  You get better mail than I do.


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You didn't mention that this son of Goa was also the son of a bangle maker.

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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

> > Due to the mail left by the previous occupant I now
> > know that a new,
> > brilliantly colored heterogenous stone may be the
> > next rage in gems.
> > The name begins with an A and it goes well with
> > tourmaline. I also
> > learned that one of the great jewelry designers of
> > the century was
> > actually from Goa. Who knew .... See the last
> > obituary in
> >
> <http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/obituaries/5621944.htm>.
> > Various other highly interesting pieces in this
> > newsletter have
> > prompted me to look for a gemology class for the
> > idle non-rich.
>
> That's not fair.  You get better mail than I do.
>

No, his predecessor did!
clo

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http://gallaghersmash.com/index2.htm

Be sure you click on his "platform."
      
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02003-08-09 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> You didn't mention that this son of Goa was also the son of a bangle maker.

There is a really lameass (Goan) poem about a bangle maker which
I was trying to forget ...

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@pobox.com>
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02003-08-09 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> --- "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> wrote:
> > At 07:40 PM 8/8/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > >Who (which Americans) would be meaningful?
> > >
> > >I mean, as a positive cultural legacy.
> >
> > The problem is that it may take a generation or so before any <legacy>
> > is established or recognized, so talking about contemporary (or nearly
> > so) Americans is a guess.  Earlier, Gershwin and Bernstein were
> > mentioned; perhaps in the long run, Copland will be more
> > remembered/appreciated in terms of true "American" music (if there is
> > such a thing).  But it may take time.  If I remember my music history
> > correctly, J.S. Bach was largely ignored and unappreciated until Felix
> > Mendelssohn resurrected his works some 70-80 years after Bach's death.
> >
> > In the visual arts, people like the three generations of Wyeths---N.C.,
> > Andrew, James---I believe are a part of our cultural legacy.  In the
> > long run, perhaps the films of Kubrick, Coppola, and Scorsese may be
> > more influential/culturally iconic than any of the painters, writers, or
> > musician/composers of this era.
>
> I wouldn't change a word.

COPLAND 4EVER YO

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> At 03:16 PM 8/9/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> One of my pet peeves - trotting out stereotypes from the 60s when
> >the country's changed so much.

Power to the People!

Free John Sinclair!  (sic)

Ann

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This girl is really really white:  blonde, pale, wears only white gauzy
things.  She has an accent I can't place but it is definitely foreign.
she's in my Greek class.  I've wondered about why she wears only white,
being so pale herself, but what I know now never occurred to me:  she
belongs to some religous cult.

Here is what I know about what they believe:

1.  Sanscrit is a holy language given to us straight from the divine.
Sanskrit is a language that never changed, never.
2.  Something about 50 syllables
3.  I think these 50 syllables contain "pure essence of meaning."
4.  I think these 50 syllables are pure vibrations from the beginning of
time.
5.  Something about sound, vibration and light.

She is also studying Hebrew.  She has a teacher who explains everything
in direct and clear and beautiful way.

With these clues, I will try to figure out which religious group she's
attached to.  (No I would never ask her NO WAY)

Ann

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02003-08-09 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > At 03:16 PM 8/9/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> > One of my pet peeves - trotting out stereotypes from the 60s when
> > >the country's changed so much.
>
> Power to the People!
>
> Free John Sinclair!  (sic)

ring a ding the alarms and AWESOME

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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > One of my pet peeves - trotting out stereotypes from the 60s when
> > > >the country's changed so much.
> > Power to the People!
> > Free John Sinclair!  (sic)
> ring a ding the alarms and AWESOME

ha ha ha you're making me break my cracker!

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>
> She is also studying Hebrew.  She has a teacher who explains everything
> in direct and clear and beautiful way.

This reads wrong.  They are separate points.  The teacher she describes is
not her Hebrew teacher.

You know this makes me wonder who her Hebrew teacher is, and wonder if
s/he knows her background.

Ann

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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I just got around to looking at them.

Hey Tushar would you annotate some of them?

I want especially to hear about the magic path.

Also, I want to know who are the people in Human Resources.

And, tell us about Chiba city, please.

Ann

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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Let's not imagine, either, that this reference to ignorance of a specific
> American is a case of "furrin" sensibility. Do you know, there are places
> in the middle of some American cities where you can turn a corner and hit
> unpaved, yes, <dirt> roads?

I didn't know that.  Where?

Ann

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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-08-09 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > You didn't mention that this son of Goa was also the son of a bangle maker.
>
> There is a really lameass (Goan) poem about a bangle maker which
> I was trying to forget ...
>

I am trying to figure out if this is an invitation to ask about the poem.
Not that I'm up to trying to run a Goan poem through BabelFish (then it
might be a mangle bangel Goan koan - way too deep for me!)

clo

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02003-08-09 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > > One of my pet peeves - trotting out stereotypes from the 60s when
> > > > >the country's changed so much.
> > > Power to the People!
> > > Free John Sinclair!  (sic)
> > ring a ding the alarms and AWESOME
>
> ha ha ha you're making me break my cracker!

I empathize with your feelings ...

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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> I empathize with your feelings ...

You are a kind and thoughtful guest in our land.  How do they express
"empathize" in your country?

Would you like a cumin muffin?

Ann

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02003-08-09 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > I empathize with your feelings ...
>
> You are a kind and thoughtful guest in our land.  How do they express
> "empathize" in your country?
>
> Would you like a cumin muffin?

Thank you, I am full at the moment, Mrs Beadswearing Sponsorlady.
A BanApple wheatgrass lassi would be great though. We express
"empathize" with a cartwheel, three half-twists and six primal
screams in reverse order of pitch. Would you like this sandalwood
elephant-head doorknob I brought for your family?

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On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> 1.  Sanscrit is a holy language given to us straight from the divine.
> Sanskrit is a language that never changed, never.

LOL.

> 2.  Something about 50 syllables
> 3.  I think these 50 syllables contain "pure essence of meaning."
> 4.  I think these 50 syllables are pure vibrations from the beginning of
> time.
> 5.  Something about sound, vibration and light.
                                      ^,
> She is also studying Hebrew.  She has a teacher who explains everything
> in direct and clear and beautiful way.

> With these clues, I will try to figure out which religious group she's
> attached to.  (No I would never ask her NO WAY)

Motoori Norinaga felt that way about Japanese's syllables. But I don't
think she's a 19th c man.

Karen

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On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> And, tell us about Chiba city, please.

Yes, I want to know when Tushar went to Chiba.

Karen

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On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> Motoori Norinaga felt that way about Japanese's syllables. But I don't
> think she's a 19th c man.
                      ^Japanese
Karen

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On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Would you like this sandalwood
> elephant-head doorknob I brought for your family?

Virupaksha!!! How I've missed you!

Karen

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02003-08-09 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > 1.  Sanscrit is a holy language given to us straight from the divine.
> > Sanskrit is a language that never changed, never.
>
> L O L.
   ^.^.

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02003-08-09 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> This girl is really really white:  blonde, pale, wears only white gauzy
> things.  She has an accent I can't place but it is definitely foreign.
> she's in my Greek class.  I've wondered about why she wears only white,
> being so pale herself, but what I know now never occurred to me:  she
> belongs to some religous cult.

That's a pretty bad synonym for "German" ...

> Here is what I know about what they believe:
>
> 1.  Sanscrit is a holy language given to us straight from the divine.
>     Sanskrit is a language that never changed, never.
> 2.  Something about 50 syllables
> 3.  I think these 50 syllables contain "pure essence of meaning."
> 4.  I think these 50 syllables are pure vibrations from the beginning of
>     time.
> 5.  Something about sound, vibration and light.

This is the plain truth, what's "religious cult" about it?

> She is also studying Hebrew.  She has a teacher who explains everything
> in direct and clear and beautiful way.
>
> With these clues, I will try to figure out which religious group she's
> attached to.  (No I would never ask her NO WAY)

Call out Gouranga!

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On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-08-09 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>> > 1.  Sanscrit is a holy language given to us straight from the divine.
>> > Sanskrit is a language that never changed, never.
>>
>> L O L.
>    ^.^.

Why? Cite three sources.

Karen

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02003-08-09 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > And, tell us about Chiba city, please.
>
> Yes, I want to know when Tushar went to Chiba.

Not unexpectedly, you are a stranger to the evocative metaphor.

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02003-08-09 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > 02003-08-09 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > > You didn't mention that this son of Goa was also the son of a bangle maker.
> >
> > There is a really lameass (Goan) poem about a bangle maker which
> > I was trying to forget ...
>
> I am trying to figure out if this is an invitation to ask about the poem.
> Not that I'm up to trying to run a Goan poem through BabelFish (then it
> might be a mangle bangel Goan koan - way too deep for me!)

I worry about your imagination extremely. I hate that poem,
hence this is not an invitation to ask about it ... MAN that
poem sucks! I apologize of course.

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02003-08-09 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Would you like this sandalwood
> > elephant-head doorknob I brought for your family?
>
> Virupaksha!!! How I've missed you!
                                    ^!^!

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> 02003-08-09 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > You didn't mention that this son of Goa was also the son of a bangle
maker.
>
> There is a really lameass (Goan) poem about a bangle maker which
> I was trying to forget ...

Something about . .
Baubles, bangels and beads?

           - D. M.

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On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-08-09 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > 02003-08-09 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> >> On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>> >> > 1.  Sanscrit is a holy language given to us straight from the divine.
>> >> > Sanskrit is a language that never changed, never.
>> >>
>> >> L O L.
>> >    ^.^.
>>
>> Why? Cite three sources.

> You have misquoted me. That's unforgivably rude.

You have Bethany down so pat!

Karen

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On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>> 02003-08-09 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
>> > You didn't mention that this son of Goa was also the son of a bangle
> maker.
>>
>> There is a really lameass (Goan) poem about a bangle maker which
>> I was trying to forget ...

> Something about . .
> Baubles, bangels and beads?

Bangles.

I misread 'bangel' as 'bagel'.

Karen

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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-08-09 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >
> > > I empathize with your feelings ...
> >
> > You are a kind and thoughtful guest in our land.  How do they express
> > "empathize" in your country?
> >
> > Would you like a cumin muffin?
>
> Thank you, I am full at the moment, Mrs Beadswearing Sponsorlady.
> A BanApple wheatgrass lassi would be great though. We express
> "empathize" with a cartwheel, three half-twists and six primal
> screams in reverse order of pitch. Would you like this sandalwood
> elephant-head doorknob I brought for your family?

It's beautiful!  Please send this signed picture of Martha Stewart to
your mother - you do have a mother?  And if you have a father, I have a
biography of Leonard Bernstein - oh, perhaps -you- would like that.

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02003-08-09 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> I just got around to looking at them.
>
> Hey Tushar would you annotate some of them?

They are all pictures of places within a couple of miles
of where I grew up. Nothing much more. The thing titled
"Center of the World" is our street. The flash of blue
on the left is where our home is.

> I want especially to hear about the magic path.

Just one of my favorite spots ... One of the strange
things about the left arm is that you can follow it
through built-up areas and even across railway lines.
No matter how much building and rebuilding has gone
on over it, you can pick it up. It's probably a pretty
ancient and durable foot-path.

> Also, I want to know who are the people in Human Resources.

They look like they are going to school, but they are
going to work in some sleazeball factory. Thus, they
are "human resources" ...

> And, tell us about Chiba city, please.

"Cheeba City" ... na'mean? It's the tail end of a
shanty town. Not much more to it than that ...

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02003-08-09 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-08-09 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> > 02003-08-09 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> >> On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> >> >> > 1.  Sanscrit is a holy language given to us straight from the divine.
> >> >> > Sanskrit is a language that never changed, never.
> >> >>
> >> >> L O L.
> >> >    ^.^.
> >>
> >> Why? Cite three sources.
>
> > You have misquoted me. That's unforgivably rude.
>
> You have Bethany down so pat!

I LOVE YOU MY SWEET POLENTA!!!!!!

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On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> I LOVE YOU MY SWEET POLENTA!!!!!!

Will you get a room with me?

Karen

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02003-08-09 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > 02003-08-09 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > > On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I empathize with your feelings ...
> > >
> > > You are a kind and thoughtful guest in our land.  How do they express
> > > "empathize" in your country?
> > >
> > > Would you like a cumin muffin?
> >
> > Thank you, I am full at the moment, Mrs Beadswearing Sponsorlady.
> > A BanApple wheatgrass lassi would be great though. We express
> > "empathize" with a cartwheel, three half-twists and six primal
> > screams in reverse order of pitch. Would you like this sandalwood
> > elephant-head doorknob I brought for your family?
>
> It's beautiful!  Please send this signed picture of Martha Stewart to
> your mother - you do have a mother?  And if you have a father, I have a
> biography of Leonard Bernstein - oh, perhaps -you- would like that.

Thank you, my foster mother will love the picture--it looks like
my mother. And I will treasure this biography very much ... I'd
like the cumin muffin now

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02003-08-09 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> >> 02003-08-09 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >> > You didn't mention that this son of Goa was also the son
> >> > of a bangle maker.
> >>
> >> There is a really lameass (Goan) poem about a bangle maker
> >> which I was trying to forget ...
>
> > Something about . .
> > Baubles, bangels and beads?
>
> Bangles.
>
> I misread 'bangel' as 'bagel'.

You guys INSIST on reminding me, right?

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02003-08-09 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > I LOVE YOU MY SWEET POLENTA!!!!!!
>
> Will you get a room with me?
          ^for

You put me in an awkward position ...

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02003-08-09 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-08-09 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> >> > 1.  Sanscrit is a holy language given to us straight from the divine.
> >> > Sanskrit is a language that never changed, never.
> >>
> >> L O L.
> >    ^.^.
>
> Why? Cite three sources.

You have misquoted me. That's unforgivably rude.

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> PS: Just to add to the weirdness, in school I used to think Luther
> Burbank was a very famous guy, and had left an enduring legacy.
> Does anybody even know who I am talking about? Screw you all ...

Wasn't he the plant breeder and seed guy?

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@pobox.com>
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02003-08-09 | Adam Hartfield <adamh1@COMCAST.NET> writes:
> > PS: Just to add to the weirdness, in school I used to think Luther
> > Burbank was a very famous guy, and had left an enduring legacy.
> > Does anybody even know who I am talking about? Screw you all ...
>
> Wasn't he the plant breeder and seed guy?

Give this guy a coconut!

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On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-08-09 | Adam Hartfield <adamh1@COMCAST.NET> writes:
>> > PS: Just to add to the weirdness, in school I used to think Luther
>> > Burbank was a very famous guy, and had left an enduring legacy.
>> > Does anybody even know who I am talking about? Screw you all ...
>>
>> Wasn't he the plant breeder and seed guy?

> Give this guy a coconut!

Oh, did Burbank work on coconuts?

Karen

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On Saturday, August 09, 2003, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> One of them at least may have been paved by now; in the '70s, I went to a
> party with some cow-orkers in Durham NC. I didn't name that place because
> I don't want to give the impression that it's a Southern phenomenon. It
> ain't, but I will have to think to come up w/ accurate cites in the NE -
> I have been in a lot more places up here, and they sort of blur together.

I've lived lots of places without sidewalks--in fact, I currently live
on one. But not many dirt roads w/in city limits.

Karen

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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > Let's not imagine, either, that this reference to ignorance of a specific
> > American is a case of "furrin" sensibility. Do you know, there are places
> > in the middle of some American cities where you can turn a corner and hit
> > unpaved, yes, <dirt> roads?
>
> I didn't know that.  Where?
>
> Ann
>

One of them at least may have been paved by now; in the '70s, I went to a
party with some cow-orkers in Durham NC. I didn't name that place because
I don't want to give the impression that it's a Southern phenomenon. It
ain't, but I will have to think to come up w/ accurate cites in the NE -
I have been in a lot more places up here, and they sort of blur together.

I have to get out of here and go home to cook Red Tent Chicken, but will
try to think more abt it later.

clo

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The woman who used to own Daisy has found a family in the
country, she said.  I'm going to miss Daisy, but she is too
much for Mom.

Evelyn Duncan
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--- Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> wrote:
> The woman who used to own Daisy has found a family
> in the
> country, she said.  I'm going to miss Daisy, but she
> is too
> much for Mom.

I wish it had turned out differently, Evelyn, but
perhaps it is best.  Daisy will have a lovely life,
though, and your mom can probably see the problems.
You both gave it a shot, and I can just imagine how
relieved Sweetie will be when she realizes the
interloper is gone.

I am sorry.  But as you say, it's best to move on.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> life:  music and cats."
> --Albert Schweitzer


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In a message dated 8/9/2003 7:58:35 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
I am sorry.  But as you say, it's best to move on.

>>

I quizzed Mom to make sure that it's an actual family
and not just dumping Daisy in the country with no one
to take care of her.

If we get another pet, it's going to be a kitten.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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If I could be at home all day, maybe I could have persuaded
Mom to let Daisy stay, since I would take most of the 
responsibility.  But I work full-time, and my new glasses
cost almost $200.  I'll get $100 of that back from the
insurance, but still I can't take off from work.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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> I don't know, but I bet William Safire has written
> about
> it.

Ha!  Have you ever read any of Edwin Newman's books?
One of his chapters was entitled "Myself Will Be Right
Back".  Hilarious stuff.


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I believe you were the meeber who mentioned growing
dill.  I grow herbs every year, but this summer, they
seem to be "done" rather earlier than usual.  How does
you dill look?  I'm sure the heat has had a
disheartening effect on all plants in your part of Texas.

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> I quizzed Mom to make sure that it's an actual
> family
> and not just dumping Daisy in the country with no
> one
> to take care of her.
>
> If we get another pet, it's going to be a kitten.

GOOD JOB.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> life:  music and cats."
> --Albert Schweitzer


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>
> Oh, did Burbank work on coconuts?
>
> Karen

Yes, the screenplay.


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Is it just me, or is the word "troops" used
differently now?  I heard a newscaster say
(paraphrasing, but usage the same) that two troops had
been killed in Iraq.  This does not sound at all right
to my ear.  If I'm wrong, I know you'll tell me.

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In a message dated 8/9/2003 8:10:25 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Is it just me, or is the word "troops" used
differently now? 
>>

"Troops" used to refer to a group of soldiers;
now, a soldier is a troop.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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--- Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> wrote:
> If I could be at home all day, maybe I could have
> persuaded
> Mom to let Daisy stay, since I would take most of
> the
> responsibility.  But I work full-time, and my new
> glasses
> cost almost $200.  I'll get $100 of that back from
> the
> insurance, but still I can't take off from work.


IMO one of the worst parts of training a dog is the
difficulty of leaving it when you have to go to work.
It was a terrible problem for us.  Miss Jaysie ate
more than couches.  If fact, she was never properly
broken of bad habits until about a year ago.  But to
her credit, she is fairly well-behaved now.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> life:  music and cats."
> --Albert Schweitzer


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> "Troops" used to refer to a group of soldiers;
> now, a soldier is a troop.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> life:  music and cats."
> --Albert Schweitzer


Thank you.  Where was I when this evolution place?
Same cave I usually muddle about in, I guess.

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I guess the main problem is that both Daisy and
Mom are too hyper.  I've been taking her for walks
around the apartment building so that Mom could
calm down.

Daisy's such a friendly puppy; when she settles
down and stops biting, she'll be a wonderful dog.

Evelyn Duncan
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In a message dated 8/9/2003 8:17:00 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Thank you.  Where was I when this evolution place?

>>

I don't know, but I bet William Safire has written about
it.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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--- Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> wrote:
> I guess the main problem is that both Daisy and
> Mom are too hyper.  I've been taking her for walks
> around the apartment building so that Mom could
> calm down.
>
> Daisy's such a friendly puppy; when she settles
> down and stops biting, she'll be a wonderful dog.

It would be exhausting to have two hyper personalities
in the same apartment; even aside from Sweetie's
natural confusion, I can see where the whole situation
would be wearing.

Alabama Public TV is running another fund-raiser, and
tonight they have one special with Sinatra, and
another with Bobby Darin, both taped in 1973. I often
wonder if folks realize what a multi-talented guy
Darin was.  He wasn't just a bubblegum singer.


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In a message dated 8/9/2003 8:38:38 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
It would be exhausting to have two hyper personalities
in the same apartment; even aside from Sweetie's
natural confusion, I can see where the whole situation
would be wearing.

>>

I just wish that Daisy had been a calmer dog.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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In a message dated 8/9/2003 8:43:07 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Ha!  Have you ever read any of Edwin Newman's books?
One of his chapters was entitled "Myself Will Be Right
Back".  Hilarious stuff.

>>

Yep, a long time ago.  I'd like to get them again;
I wonder if they're still in print.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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> Yep, a long time ago.  I'd like to get them again;
> I wonder if they're still in print.

Good question.  I have two paperbacks I got at the
library for 25 cents each.


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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

>Yep, a long time ago.  I'd like to get them again;
>I wonder if they're still in print.

Am I the only meeber who checks books out of libraries?

Bethany

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--- "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU>
wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> >Yep, a long time ago.  I'd like to get them again;
> >I wonder if they're still in print.
>
> Am I the only meeber who checks books out of
> libraries?
>
> Bethany

No, I have two now.


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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > I empathize with your feelings ...
>
> You are a kind and thoughtful guest in our land.  How do they express
> "empathize" in your country?
>
> Would you like a cumin muffin?
>
> Ann
>

I'm too young to participate in conversations like this!
clo

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Now Mom says that we'll keep Daisy.

Evelyn Duncan
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--- Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> wrote:
> Now Mom says that we'll keep Daisy.


Hey, Evelyn, talk about cliff-hangers!

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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > I LOVE YOU MY SWEET POLENTA!!!!!!
>
> Will you get a room with me?
>
> Karen
>
No, but I will!
clo

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> > Will you get a room with me?
> >
> > Karen
> >
> No, but I will!
> clo

You are decidedly mature enough to participate in any
conversation.


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In a message dated 8/9/2003 9:01:48 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Hey, Evelyn, talk about cliff-hangers!

>>

I know.  I don't know what to think.

Evelyn Duncan
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> I know.  I don't know what to think.

I just had a weird thought.  Didn't Snoopy come from
Daisy Hill Puppy Farm?  And if that's true, what does
it mean?


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In a message dated 8/9/2003 9:06:58 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
I just had a weird thought.  Didn't Snoopy come from
Daisy Hill Puppy Farm?  And if that's true, what does
it mean?

>>

Is said puppy farm a puppy mill?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>> Am I the only meeber who checks books out of
>> libraries?
>>
>> Bethany
>
>No, I have two now.

Excellent! We must be a clique - unless you are a clone.

If you - anyone - thinks I might have a book you want, this is a good time
to ask for it. I am in a get rid of mood.

Bethany

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> Is said puppy farm a puppy mill?

No, I don't think Mr. Schultz would have allowed it to
be.  Puppy mills are evil.  There weren't any shades
of darkness hovering around "Peanuts", were there?


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> Excellent! We must be a clique - unless you are a
> clone.
>
> If you - anyone - thinks I might have a book you
> want, this is a good time
> to ask for it. I am in a get rid of mood.

Good!  History, biographies, any thing about language
(if not too technical).  Oh, and true mysteries.


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> Is it just me, or is the word "troops" used
> differently now?  I heard a newscaster say
> (paraphrasing, but usage the same) that two troops had
> been killed in Iraq.  This does not sound at all right
> to my ear.  If I'm wrong, I know you'll tell me.
>
> __________________________________

This has been bothering me since the
beginning of "this" war.  Can't remember
it being used that way before.  Must ask
my husband.

Used that way, it's possible to hear
"Today one troop was killed . ."

I think not.  It's weird.

              - D. M.

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In a message dated 8/9/2003 9:15:14 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
There weren't any shades
of darkness hovering around "Peanuts", were there?

>>

Not unless they were Joe Cool's shades.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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> This has been bothering me since the
> beginning of "this" war.  Can't remember
> it being used that way before.  Must ask
> my husband.
>
> Used that way, it's possible to hear
> "Today one troop was killed . ."
>
> I think not.  It's weird.

That's what I meant by hits not sounding right to my
ear.  But Evelyn says it has taken on another meaning.

Please let us know what Mr. Markland says.
>
>               - D. M.


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--- Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> > This has been bothering me since the
> > beginning of "this" war.  Can't remember
> > it being used that way before.  Must ask
> > my husband.
> >
> > Used that way, it's possible to hear
> > "Today one troop was killed . ."
> >
> > I think not.  It's weird.
>
> That's what I meant by hits not sounding right to my
> ear.  But Evelyn says it has taken on another
> meaning.
>
> Please let us know what Mr. Markland says.

Its not sounding right, I mean.
> >
> >               - D. M.
>
>
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> Not unless they were Joe Cool's shades.

I can see Joe Cool lounging across the frame right
now.


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Obviously, some of these retired military types have
never been taught the difference between "cache" and
"cachet".  Does that bug you, too, anyone?

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On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> Obviously, some of these retired military types have
> never been taught the difference between "cache" and
> "cachet".  Does that bug you, too, anyone?

What are you talking about?

Karen

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--- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > Obviously, some of these retired military types
> have
> > never been taught the difference between "cache"
> and
> > "cachet".  Does that bug you, too, anyone?
>
> What are you talking about?
>
> Karen

They say "weapons cachet" when they mean "weapons
cache".  (I spell it that way to illustrate the
difference in pronunciation.)


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On Saturday, August 09, 2003, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > I LOVE YOU MY SWEET POLENTA!!!!!!
>>
>> Will you get a room with me?
>>
>> Karen
>>
> No, but I will!

Any time!:)

Karen

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On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> Now Mom says that we'll keep Daisy.

Why?

Karen

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On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> Am I the only meeber who checks books out of libraries?

I think this would be a very weird situation.

Karen

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On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> --- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
>> On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> > Obviously, some of these retired military types
>> have
>> > never been taught the difference between "cache"
>> and
>> > "cachet".  Does that bug you, too, anyone?
>>
>> What are you talking about?
>>
>> Karen

> They say "weapons cachet" when they mean "weapons
> cache".  (I spell it that way to illustrate the
> difference in pronunciation.)

I don't recall hearing this, but I believe you.

Karen

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> I don't recall hearing this, but I believe you.
>
> Karen

Thank you.  What about the dill?


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On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> I believe you were the meeber who mentioned growing
> dill.  I grow herbs every year, but this summer, they
> seem to be "done" rather earlier than usual.  How does
> you dill look?  I'm sure the heat has had a
> disheartening effect on all plants in your part of Texas.

To say the least.

Since I knew I was going to be away for a long time during prime
growing season, I didn't plant anything in the fall. I've only watered
the herbs enough to keep them growing, but the dill grew to over 6'
tall and went to seed. It was so amazing, I just left it there.

The basil burned up. Sorrel and salad burnet and lemon balm are fine,
as well as three types of lavender, oregano, two types of rosemary,
and thyme.

Karen

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 21:34:47 -0500
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On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> I don't recall hearing this, but I believe you.
>>
>> Karen

> Thank you.  What about the dill?

You set a new record for impatience, I think.

Karen

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 21:35:51 -0500
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On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> I quizzed Mom to make sure that it's an actual family
> and not just dumping Daisy in the country with no one
> to take care of her.

LOL. The dog next door went to a family in the country, too. It's such
a euphemism!

Karen

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> To say the least.
>
> The basil burned up. Sorrel and salad burnet and
> lemon balm are fine,
> as well as three types of lavender, oregano, two
> types of rosemary,
> and thyme.
>
> Karen

Our dill never got nearly that tall.  I don't have
sorrel or lavender, but for the first time, I was able
to get some marjoram this year.  We have two glorious
rosemary bushes that are thriving.  I have never used
the burnet, but wanted to see how it would do.  It
also appears to be "done".


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In a message dated 8/9/2003 7:02:44 PM, lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:

>If we get another pet, it's going to be a kitten.
You gave it a good try. Sorry it didn't work out.
Theo

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> It's great stuff. I highly recommend sorrel instead
> of lettuce.
>
> Karen

I'll try it.


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--- Theo Groothof <Dutchessg1@AOL.COM> wrote:
> In a message dated 8/9/2003 7:02:44 PM,
> lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
>
> >If we get another pet, it's going to be a kitten.
> You gave it a good try. Sorry it didn't work out.
> Theo

Are you feeling any better?


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On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> Our dill never got nearly that tall.

Actually, I think I tried to pull it up and I couldn't. The stem is as
thick as one of Paul's fingers.

> I have never used the burnet, but wanted to see how it would do. It
> also appears to be "done".

It's great stuff. I highly recommend sorrel instead of lettuce.

Karen

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[about sorrel]
You can often buy it in farmer's markets.

What zone are you in?

Karen

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--- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> [about sorrel]
> You can often buy it in farmer's markets.
>
> What zone are you in?
>
> Karen

I should know, but I've forgotten.  Eight, maybe?


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On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> I should know, but I've forgotten.  Eight, maybe?

I'm in 8b. Natalie's in... Something like 6, I think. Several numbers
different from me. You can google on USDA hardiness zone to figure it
out.

Karen

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--- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > I should know, but I've forgotten.  Eight, maybe?
>
> I'm in 8b. Natalie's in... Something like 6, I
> think. Several numbers
> different from me. You can google on USDA hardiness
> zone to figure it
> out.
>
> Karen

Found it.  8a.  BTW, my thyme always looks burned to a
crisp, but still grows.  Two years, I was able to get
variegated thyme, and it looked lush, compared.


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In a message dated 8/9/2003 8:48:00 PM, lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:

>Are you feeling any better?

Unfortunately not. It had broken in 3 places and was stitched,stapled
together, or whatever it's called, and every little movement I make causes extreme
pain. I have an appointment Tuesday to see if I can get some better pain
medication, but I wonder how I'm going to manage to get there. Never realized how
hard it is to "walk" on one leg, but I wouldn't mind if only it didn't hurt so
much.
Theo

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--- Theo Groothof <Dutchessg1@AOL.COM> wrote:
> In a message dated 8/9/2003 8:48:00 PM,
> lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
>
> >Are you feeling any better?
>
> Unfortunately not. It had broken in 3 places and was
> stitched,stapled
> together, or whatever it's called, and every little
> movement I make causes extreme
> pain. I have an appointment Tuesday to see if I can
> get some better pain
> medication, but I wonder how I'm going to manage to
> get there. Never realized how
> hard it is to "walk" on one leg, but I wouldn't mind
> if only it didn't hurt so
> much.
> Theo

Believe me, I can empathize.  Last year was an awful
one for me, physically.  Even though I'm perfectly
well, now, I remember the misery vividly.

Perhaps if you were to explain your predicament to the
receptionist/nurse/whatever at your doctor's office,
she might have some helpful suggestions for getting
you there.  They must have other patients with the
same problem.  Let us know.


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        I think I could kill Lynne and Evelyn off if they came to
visit when I have 4 or 5 Irish setters in the house, plus
Ana and I.

Lynne Weber wrote:

> --- Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> wrote:
>
>>I guess the main problem is that both Daisy and
>>Mom are too hyper.  I've been taking her for walks
>>around the apartment building so that Mom could
>>calm down.
>>
>>Daisy's such a friendly puppy; when she settles
>>down and stops biting, she'll be a wonderful dog.
>>
>
> It would be exhausting to have two hyper personalities
> in the same apartment; even aside from Sweetie's
> natural confusion, I can see where the whole situation
> would be wearing.
>
> Alabama Public TV is running another fund-raiser, and
> tonight they have one special with Sinatra, and
> another with Bobby Darin, both taped in 1973. I often
> wonder if folks realize what a multi-talented guy
> Darin was.  He wasn't just a bubblegum singer.
>
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*Blink*.  No darkness in Peanuts?

Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 8/9/2003 9:15:14 PM Central Daylight Time,
> lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
> <<
> There weren't any shades
> of darkness hovering around "Peanuts", were there?
>
>
>
> Not unless they were Joe Cool's shades.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> life:  music and cats."
> --Albert Schweitzer
>
>


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Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>
>
>>>Am I the only meeber who checks books out of
>>>libraries?
>>>
>>>Bethany
>>>
>>No, I have two now.
>>
>
> Excellent! We must be a clique - unless you are a clone.
>
> If you - anyone - thinks I might have a book you want, this is a good time
> to ask for it. I am in a get rid of mood.


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--- Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> wrote:
>         I think I could kill Lynne and Evelyn off if
> they came to
> visit when I have 4 or 5 Irish setters in the house,
> plus
> Ana and I.

Okay, we won't plan to visit.  They're your dogs.

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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > --- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> >> On Saturday, August 09, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> >> > Obviously, some of these retired military types
> >> have
> >> > never been taught the difference between "cache"
> >> and
> >> > "cachet".  Does that bug you, too, anyone?
> >>
> >> What are you talking about?
> >>
> >> Karen
>
> > They say "weapons cachet" when they mean "weapons
> > cache".  (I spell it that way to illustrate the
> > difference in pronunciation.)
>
> I don't recall hearing this, but I believe you.
>
> Karen
>

I believe they are saying "cache'" (to the best of my text editor's
ability - oh, for unicode!), believing that's a more correct
pronunciation. Someone must have told them it's French for the past tense
of "hidden", sort of short form for "the hidden [objects]". <And> they
believed it.

clo

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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

> > > Will you get a room with me?
> > >
> > > Karen
> > >
> > No, but I will!
> > clo
>
> You are decidedly mature enough to participate in any
> conversation.
>

We have another candidate for the "stranger to the evocative metaphor".
In addition, this strikes me as the type of prurient outlook that would
list nudity as a hazard of travel. Do you by any chance write for web
travelogues?

clo

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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>> If you - anyone - thinks I might have a book you
>> want, this is a good time
>> to ask for it. I am in a get rid of mood.
>
>Good!  History, biographies, any thing about language
>(if not too technical).  Oh, and true mysteries.

Well, I don't mean that I will ship off whole catgories of books. But if
there is a particular title you are looking for ...

Bethany

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I don't know what to do.  First, Mom says that we're giving Daisy
away; then she says we're keeping her; now she says that we're
giving her away.  I think the best thing for Daisy is to be on a farm
in which she can be a puppy, but also for her to be trained to not
bite.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> Am I the only meeber who checks books out of libraries?
>
>I think this would be a very weird situation.

This?

Bethany

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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

>        What ya got that you want to get rid of?

Nothing in particular ... but, as I said, if you have a particular title
in mind ...

Bethany

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In the meantime, look at the cute little vizsla puppies!!! I'm going to get one of the girls.

http://www.geocities.com/ourvizslas/Nellie.html

Marie

----- Original Message -----
From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM>
Date: Saturday, August 9, 2003 8:47 pm
Subject: Daisy

> The woman who used to own Daisy has found a family in the
> country, she said.  I'm going to miss Daisy, but she is too
> much for Mom.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> life:  music and cats."
> --Albert Schweitzer
>

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On Sunday, August 10, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>> Am I the only meeber who checks books out of libraries?
>>
>>I think this would be a very weird situation.

> This?

You being the only meeber who checks books out of libraries.

Karen

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Chubby little things.  Do you have a name picked out?

Betty

At 09:06 AM 8/10/2003 -0400, Marie Ascher wrote:
>In the meantime, look at the cute little vizsla puppies!!! I'm going to
>get one of the girls.
>
>http://www.geocities.com/ourvizslas/Nellie.html
>
>Marie
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM>
>Date: Saturday, August 9, 2003 8:47 pm
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>
> > The woman who used to own Daisy has found a family in the
> > country, she said.  I'm going to miss Daisy, but she is too
> > much for Mom.
> >
> > Evelyn Duncan
> > brandykitt@aol.com
> > "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> > life:  music and cats."
> > --Albert Schweitzer
> >

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> On Sunday, August 10, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> > On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >>> Am I the only meeber who checks books out of libraries?
> >>
> >>I think this would be a very weird situation.
>
> > This?
>
> You being the only meeber who checks books out of libraries.
>
> Karen

I check books out of libraries.

              - D. M.

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On Sunday, August 10, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>> On Sunday, August 10, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>> > On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> >>> Am I the only meeber who checks books out of libraries?
>> >>
>> >>I think this would be a very weird situation.
>>
>> > This?
>>
>> You being the only meeber who checks books out of libraries.
>>
>> Karen

> I check books out of libraries.

Well, yes. So do I. I find it absurdly arrogant of Bethany to assume
she's the only one.

Karen

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Yes. I think. "Slim Sadie"

Marie

----- Original Message -----
From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
Date: Sunday, August 10, 2003 9:14 am
Subject: Re: Daisy

> Chubby little things.  Do you have a name picked out?
>
> Betty
>
> At 09:06 AM 8/10/2003 -0400, Marie Ascher wrote:
> >In the meantime, look at the cute little vizsla puppies!!! I'm
> going to
> >get one of the girls.
> >
> >http://www.geocities.com/ourvizslas/Nellie.html
> >
> >Marie
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM>
> >Date: Saturday, August 9, 2003 8:47 pm
> >Subject: Daisy
> >
> > > The woman who used to own Daisy has found a family in the
> > > country, she said.  I'm going to miss Daisy, but she is too
> > > much for Mom.
> > >
> > > Evelyn Duncan
> > > brandykitt@aol.com
> > > "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> > > life:  music and cats."
> > > --Albert Schweitzer
> > >
>

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        Excellent!  What kind of contract does she come with?  Are
they going to finish her if she's good enough?  You should
learn how to bird hunt.  It's fun.

Marie Ascher wrote:

> In the meantime, look at the cute little vizsla puppies!!! I'm going to get one of the girls.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/ourvizslas/Nellie.html
>
> Marie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM>
> Date: Saturday, August 9, 2003 8:47 pm
> Subject: Daisy
>
>
>>The woman who used to own Daisy has found a family in the
>>country, she said.  I'm going to miss Daisy, but she is too
>>much for Mom.
>>
>>Evelyn Duncan
>>brandykitt@aol.com
>>"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
>>life:  music and cats."
>>--Albert Schweitzer
>>
>>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>       What ya got that you want to get rid of?
>>
>
> Nothing in particular ... but, as I said, if you have a particular title
> in mind ...


        I could use traditional grammars and general readers right
now -- especially any that model the rhetorical forms well.
  I am also on the look-out for a good collection of humor
writing (short stories/poems).




--
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On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

>I check books out of libraries.

Excellent. That's three of us now. Often when posters speak of wanting to
read a book they ask its price and whether it is in print - that led to
my query.

Bethany

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On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>Well, yes. So do I. I find it absurdly arrogant of Bethany to assume
>she's the only one.

4! (Bethany is often arrogant, but in this case she did not make any
assumptions. Instead, she asked for information.)

Bethany

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On Sunday, August 10, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>Well, yes. So do I. I find it absurdly arrogant of Bethany to assume
>>she's the only one.

> 4! (Bethany is often arrogant, but in this case she did not make any
> assumptions. Instead, she asked for information.)

Phrasing the question as an assumption...

Karen

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On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>Phrasing the question as an assumption...

Do I need to send you a grammar book? How is an assumption <phrased>
other than as "I assume that ..." or "My assumption is ..."?)

Bethany

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On Sunday, August 10, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>Phrasing the question as an assumption...

> Do I need to send you a grammar book?

No, thanks.

> How is an assumption <phrased>
> other than as "I assume that ..." or "My assumption is ..."?)

LOL. Oh, c'mon, Bethany! You've never heard of presupposition or
implicature?! Using the word 'only' loaded the question.

I hope to god you never write survey questions.

Karen

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On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>>Phrasing the question as an assumption...
>
>> Do I need to send you a grammar book?
>
>No, thanks.
>
>> How is an assumption <phrased>
>> other than as "I assume that ..." or "My assumption is ..."?)
>
>LOL. Oh, c'mon, Bethany! You've never heard of presupposition or
>implicature?! Using the word 'only' loaded the question.
>
>I hope to god you never write survey questions.

Karen, all I want to know is what I asked - how does one phrase a
question as an assumption (your contention)? "Phrase as" suggests either
particular structure or specific vocabulary. What's the formula?

Bethany

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On Sunday, August 10, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>>>Phrasing the question as an assumption...
>>
>>> Do I need to send you a grammar book?
>>
>>No, thanks.
>>
>>> How is an assumption <phrased>
>>> other than as "I assume that ..." or "My assumption is ..."?)
>>
>>LOL. Oh, c'mon, Bethany! You've never heard of presupposition or
>>implicature?! Using the word 'only' loaded the question.
>>
>>I hope to god you never write survey questions.

> Karen, all I want to know is what I asked - how does one phrase a
> question as an assumption (your contention)?

I gave one answer to this. One eschews loaded words such as 'only'.

>  "Phrase as" suggests either
> particular structure or specific vocabulary. What's the formula?

One eschews loaded words such as 'only'.

Karen

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I heard a report on the radio yesteerday that said Iraq is always full of rumors and the rumors get pretty silly . . but the people believe them.
The current rumors:

     1.  The Americans wear glasses that give
          them xray vision and enables them to
          see through people's clothes.

     2.  Americans wear air conditioned
          underwear.  They have a current that
          circulates and keeps them cool, and
          that's how they can stand the climate
          in Iraq.

                         - D. M.

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On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> Karen, all I want to know is what I asked - how does one phrase a
>> question as an assumption (your contention)?
>
>I gave one answer to this. One eschews loaded words such as 'only'.
>
>>  "Phrase as" suggests either
>> particular structure or specific vocabulary. What's the formula?
>
>One eschews loaded words such as 'only'.

So skipping "only" converts a question into an assumption?!? You're not
making any sense, girl!

Bethany

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On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>Oh, no, I knew perfectly what I was trying to do--and what I succeeded
>in doing.

One thing you may have been doing is diverting attention away from the
fact that you never demonstrated how one phrases a question as an
assumption!

Bethany

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On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
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> Nothing in particular ... but, as I said, if you have a particular title
> in mind ...

I don't suppose you'd be getting rid of Jesperson's grammar . . .


Ann

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On Sunday, August 10, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>> Karen, all I want to know is what I asked - how does one phrase a
>>> question as an assumption (your contention)?
>>
>>I gave one answer to this. One eschews loaded words such as 'only'.
>>
>>>  "Phrase as" suggests either
>>> particular structure or specific vocabulary. What's the formula?
>>
>>One eschews loaded words such as 'only'.

> So skipping "only" converts a question into an assumption?!? You're not
> making any sense, girl!

My work is done here.

Karen

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On Sunday, August 10, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>>
>> Nothing in particular ... but, as I said, if you have a particular title
>> in mind ...

> I don't suppose you'd be getting rid of Jesperson's grammar . . .

What about Jespersen's?

Karen

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On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> >I check books out of libraries.
> Excellent. That's three of us now. Often when posters speak of wanting to
> read a book they ask its price and whether it is in print - that led to
> my query.

It's just that, one feels even dorkier than usual, responding to a poll
whose only question is "Do you check books out of the library?"

Ann

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yOn Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

> I heard a report on the radio yesteerday that said Iraq is always full of rumors and the rumors get pretty silly . . but the people believe them.
> The current rumors:
>
Oh, those wacky Iraquis.

Ann

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On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
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> What about Jespersen's?

What about what about Jespersen's?

Or did I misple again.

Ann

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On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

>I don't suppose you'd be getting rid of Jesperson's grammar . . .

Not yet - but I'll put your name in it.

Bethany

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On Sunday, August 10, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> It's just that, one feels even dorkier than usual, responding to a poll
> whose only question is "Do you check books out of the library?"

But that wasn't the question! The question was the even dorkier "Am I
the only meeber who checks books out of libraries?" Given the number
of meebers who work in libraries, and the discussions we've had about
using our local libraries and various aspects of same, I find the
question, well, bizarre.

Karen

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On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> >I don't suppose you'd be getting rid of Jesperson's grammar . . .
> Not yet - but I'll put your name in it.

Bethany!  This is too creepy, sounds like you're dying.  However, if
you're putting people's names on things because you're thinking of giving
up your worldly possessions for a life of the spirit, well ok then and
thanks!

Ann

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On Sunday, August 10, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> What about Jespersen's?

> What about what about Jespersen's?

> Or did I misple again.

> Ann

You did.

I clearly have a <thing> about getting names right. I'm sure it
doesn't have anything to do with the fact that my advisor miselpt my
last name even after 5 years of working together...

Karen

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On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>My work is done here.

I never did figure out what you were trying to do - probably you  didn't
either! S'ok!

I am glad to know that at least 4 of us check books out of libraries. I
have friends who think they must buy every book they read.

Bethany

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On Sunday, August 10, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>My work is done here.

> I never did figure out what you were trying to do - probably you  didn't
> either! S'ok!

Oh, no, I knew perfectly what I was trying to do--and what I succeeded
in doing.

> I am glad to know that at least 4 of us check books out of libraries. I
> have friends who think they must buy every book they read.

How many of them work in libraries?

Karen

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On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

>Bethany!  This is too creepy, sounds like you're dying.  However, if
>you're putting people's names on things because you're thinking of giving
>up your worldly possessions for a life of the spirit, well ok then and
>thanks!

Sorry about that. It's not that - but I do recognize that over the next
few years, I will disengage from some current activities - and as I do so,
I will divest myself of some more books. My basic principle right now is
that unless I either use it frequently or occasionally find it
indispensable (as with Jesp), then I use library copies.

As you know, I am, if there are no hitches, moving into a large condo
soon. However, I am buying this large condo partly as an investment, and I
imagine that I will, in 5-7 years, sell that large condo and move into s
somewhat smaller one. I expect to make enough of a profit on that to pay a
large percentage of the cost of a smaller condo (probably also at HH) -
thereby giving myself the equivalent of a large raise at a time in life
when raises will probably be unusual.

I am not yet wedded to a retirement date, though I am thinking 2-3 years,
but I doubt that I will teach more than 4 more years at the most - though
of course there are certain variables that could change that.

Anyway, your name will soon be in the book(s - I think there are 2 volumes
- right?). What address shall I put with your name?

But let's stop there on future gifts - I am not ready to promise
everything yet!

Bethany

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On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> I am glad to know that at least 4 of us check books out of libraries. I
>> have friends who think they must buy every book they read.
>
>How many of them work in libraries?

None.

Bethany

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Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
>
>>My work is done here.
>>
>
> I never did figure out what you were trying to do - probably you  didn't
> either! S'ok!
>
> I am glad to know that at least 4 of us check books out of libraries. I
> have friends who think they must buy every book they read.


        I go in cycles.  I always buy classics, because I may want to
reference them. And I buy new books that I want to read
because the library is likely to have a long waiting list.
But anything in between I usually check out from the
library.  We are usually there about once a week.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Do you read the Stars and Stripes, Doris? There was a letter from
a soldier in Iraq about lack of drinking water for the troops - in
the desert in summer! I was shocked. I'd read the Pentagon was
spending $2 billion a month on the war and there's no water for
soldiers - sad and weird. Wonder where all the money's going.

http://estripes.com/article.asp?section=125&article=16878

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>"Am I the only meeber who checks books out of libraries?"

So many of us talk about using libraries all the time that I found
the question mutant and didn' t respond.

-rashmi, well-known to staff of two local liberries

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Bethany K. Dumas:
= On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
=
= >Oh, no, I knew perfectly what I was trying to do--and what I succeeded
= >in doing.
=
= One thing you may have been doing is diverting attention away from the
= fact that you never demonstrated how one phrases a question as an
= assumption!
=
= Bethany

"Am I the only meeber who checks books out of libraries?"

This assumes you think you are, in other words that the answer is
yes.

There are a bunch of librarians on this list.  They spend
the wholdamnday in the library most of the year, year after
year after year.  And they never check out books.  What kinda
cockamamie question was that?

(and we won't even mention the English teachers)

That said, I don't check books out of libraries anymore.  It
generally takes me way more than three weeks to get through a
novel (unless it only takes a few days), and what I want to read
the library usually doesn't have.  That, and I don't like the
current library building.  I don't like to go there and I don't
like to be in there.  They're building a new one, so maybe it
will be better.

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On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, steph wrote:

>"Am I the only meeber who checks books out of libraries?"
>
>This assumes you think you are, in other words that the answer is
>yes.

No - that is simply not true.

>There are a bunch of librarians on this list.  They spend
>the wholdamnday in the library most of the year, year after
>year after year.  And they never check out books.  What kinda

That's my poinrt.

>(and we won't even mention the English teachers)
>
>That said, I don't check books out of libraries anymore.  It
>generally takes me way more than three weeks to get through a
>novel (unless it only takes a few days), and what I want to read
>the library usually doesn't have.  That, and I don't like the

Again, that's my point.

Bethany

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On Sunday, August 10, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>Oh, no, I knew perfectly what I was trying to do--and what I succeeded
>>in doing.

> One thing you may have been doing is diverting attention away from the
> fact that you never demonstrated how one phrases a question as an
> assumption!

But, Bethany! You demonstrate that so nicely!!!

Karen

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On Sunday, August 10, 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> Do you read the Stars and Stripes, Doris?

Wow, I had to check this twice. What an anti-war rag!

Karen

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On Sunday, August 10, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, steph wrote:
>>"Am I the only meeber who checks books out of libraries?"
>>
>>This assumes you think you are, in other words that the answer is
>>yes.

> No - that is simply not true.

I'd love to know, then, if anyone read it the way you intended it. All
those who have reported in either reworded the sentence to be neutral
in their heads, or understood it the same way I did.

>>There are a bunch of librarians on this list.  They spend
>>the wholdamnday in the library most of the year, year after
>>year after year.  And they never check out books.  What kinda

> That's my poinrt.

Rather a dull one.

>>(and we won't even mention the English teachers)
>>
>>That said, I don't check books out of libraries anymore.  It
>>generally takes me way more than three weeks to get through a
>>novel (unless it only takes a few days), and what I want to read
>>the library usually doesn't have.  That, and I don't like the

> Again, that's my point.

Yeah, but she's not a native speaker of the language of the country
where her libraries are. I'd be surprised if there were a lot of
Americans using the Dutch libraries. I certainly didn't when I lived
in Japan.

Karen

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On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

>
> One thing you may have been doing is diverting attention away from the
> fact that you never demonstrated how one phrases a question as an
> assumption!

Real life work example:  In the library, somebody comes to me and asks how
to find something (information or discussions of a topic).  I may say, to
the smart ones whose habits I'm familiar with, something like "I assume
you've checked [xyz]" - 'xyz' being the obvious sources, that I don't want
to ASK if they've checked but I want to be sure that they've checked.

Ann

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OH, sorry, folks, again I excelled in missing the point!  (understood
after actually reading the last few posts)

On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Ann Borkin
wrote:

> On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>
> >
> > One thing you may have been doing is diverting attention away from the
> > fact that you never demonstrated how one phrases a question as an
> > assumption!
>
> Real life work example:  In the library, somebody comes to me and asks how
> to find something (information or discussions of a topic).  I may say, to
> the smart ones whose habits I'm familiar with, something like "I assume
> you've checked [xyz]" - 'xyz' being the obvious sources, that I don't want
> to ASK if they've checked but I want to be sure that they've checked.
>
> Ann
>

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> Do you read the Stars and Stripes, Doris? There was a letter from
> a soldier in Iraq about lack of drinking water for the troops - in
> the desert in summer! I was shocked. I'd read the Pentagon was
> spending $2 billion a month on the war and there's no water for
> soldiers - sad and weird. Wonder where all the money's going.
>
> http://estripes.com/article.asp?section=125&article=16878
>

No, I have never seen S & S.
Sad to read some of those letters.
OTOH it's probably a good thing they
have this outlet.

              - D. M.

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Bethany K. Dumas:
= On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, steph wrote:
=
= >"Am I the only meeber who checks books out of libraries?"
= >
= >This assumes you think you are, in other words that the answer is
= >yes.
=
= No - that is simply not true.
=

I get to think however I want.

= >There are a bunch of librarians on this list.  They spend
= >the wholdamnday in the library most of the year, year after
= >year after year.  And they never check out books.  What kinda
=
= That's my poinrt.
=

That's your point?  That a buncha librarians that are in the
library every day don't check out books?

= >(and we won't even mention the English teachers)
= >
= >That said, I don't check books out of libraries anymore.  It
= >generally takes me way more than three weeks to get through a
= >novel (unless it only takes a few days), and what I want to read
= >the library usually doesn't have.  That, and I don't like the
=
= Again, that's my point.
=
= Bethany

What's your point?

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On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, steph wrote:
> = >"Am I the only meeber who checks books out of libraries?"
> = >This assumes you think you are, in other words that the answer is
> = >yes.
> = No - that is simply not true.
> I get to think however I want.

Me too!  I think "Am I the only meeber who checks books out of libraries?"
suggests that the likely answer MAY be yes; but I don't think it assumes
that it is 'yes'

Ann

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=
= Yeah, but she's not a native speaker of the language of the country
= where her libraries are. I'd be surprised if there were a lot of
= Americans using the Dutch libraries. I certainly didn't when I lived
= in Japan.
=
= Karen

Actually, I did have a library card for a while, which is how I
know the other stuff.  They have a lot of English books.  Like
cases 6 shelves high, 5 meters long, maybe 14 of them.  That's
420 linear meters of books, or 1378 linear feet.  And that's just
the fiction (uh oh, I can't remember if that's all the fiction or
just the English fiction).  Anyway, there are a lot of English
books, both fiction and non-fiction.

Just like the Dutch like their English tv subtitled, they like to read
their English novels in English.

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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I get this message a lot on the site selected as 'home' for this
computer's browser:

"If flashing, you've been selected!"

Ann

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On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>But, Bethany! You demonstrate that so nicely!!!

Flattery will get you nowhere. I suepect that you misspoke initially -
that you meant "phrase an assumption as a question" instead of what
you wrote - "phrase a question as an assumption" - and did not want to
acknowledge that. But I don't read minds any more than you do, so this is
speculation on my part.

What is true is that at no point today have I phrased a question as an
assumption.

Bethany

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On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

>> One thing you may have been doing is diverting attention away from the
>> fact that you never demonstrated how one phrases a question as an
>> assumption!
>
>Real life work example:  In the library, somebody comes to me and asks how
>to find something (information or discussions of a topic).  I may say, to
>the smart ones whose habits I'm familiar with, something like "I assume
>you've checked [xyz]" - 'xyz' being the obvious sources, that I don't want
>to ASK if they've checked but I want to be sure that they've checked.

Finally - thank you. (I wonder whether Karen could have done that.)>

Bethany

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In a message dated 8/9/2003 9:46:54 PM Central Daylight Time, 
Dutchessg1@AOL.COM writes:
<<
You gave it a good try. Sorry it didn't work out.
Theo

>>

I feel as if we haven't tried enough, though.

Evelyn Duncan
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I had a library card when we lived in Ohio; I'd go there
every week and check out a good-sized stack of books.
The Akron Public Library also carried videotapes, and
it was there that I found a copy of Giorgio Moroder's
restoration of Metropolis.

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On 10 Aug 2003 at 10:10, Doris Markland wrote:

>      1.  The Americans wear glasses that give
>           them xray vision and enables them to
>           see through people's clothes.

This can't be true. Everybody knows we're busily deploying all these devices
in our own airports.

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On Sunday, August 10, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> I suepect that you misspoke initially -
> that you meant "phrase an assumption as a question" instead of what
> you wrote - "phrase a question as an assumption" - and did not want to
> acknowledge that. But I don't read minds any more than you do, so this is
> speculation on my part.

Whew, it's a good thing you're not trying to market yourself as a
mindreader! I did not misspeak.

> What is true is that at no point today have I phrased a question as an
> assumption.

Depends on who's reading it, I guess...

Karen

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Bethany K. Dumas writes,

>What is true is that at no point today have I phrased a question as an
>assumption.

"Am I the only meeber who checks books out of libraries?"

It is a question.

You have phrased it as an assumption that you are the only meeber who
checks books out of libraries.

What's hard about that?

Pete

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On Sunday, August 10, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

>>> One thing you may have been doing is diverting attention away from the
>>> fact that you never demonstrated how one phrases a question as an
>>> assumption!
>>
>>Real life work example:  In the library, somebody comes to me and asks how
>>to find something (information or discussions of a topic).  I may say, to
>>the smart ones whose habits I'm familiar with, something like "I assume
>>you've checked [xyz]" - 'xyz' being the obvious sources, that I don't want
>>to ASK if they've checked but I want to be sure that they've checked.

> Finally - thank you. (I wonder whether Karen could have done that.)>

Keep reading, Bethany.... This example is irrelevant.

Karen

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On Sunday, August 10, 2003, Bonnie Voigtlander wrote:
> How bad is it when an email to customer service at your ISP bounces with a
> permanent, fatal error message?

> --bonniev, soon to be no longer at panax.com

If it's one e-mail, I wouldn't worry.

Karen

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On Sunday, August 10, 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> What's hard about that?

Thank you, Pete.

Karen

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Was it Pete who mentioned him here? He's in Austin at the moment, at
"ArmadilloCon"--I just saw him on the news.

Karen

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In a message dated 8/10/2003 3:39:47 PM Central Daylight Time, 
bonniev@PANAX.COM writes:
<<
How bad is it when an email to customer service at your ISP bounces with a
permanent, fatal error message?

>>

Try again; if the second one bounces, I'd be worried.  Is panax assuming
room temperature?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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Karen:
> You have an income to support your profligate A/C habits; I don't.

Wait...  I thought you had a job.

You had those two jobs at one point, right?
Wha'hoppun?

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Died yesterday.

Good dancer!

Karen

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Ann:
> Free John Sinclair!  (sic)

Hey, I know him!

He recently moved out of New Orleans.

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On Sunday, August 10, 2003, lisping cockatiel wrote:
> Karen:
>> You have an income to support your profligate A/C habits; I don't.

> Wait...  I thought you had a job.

> You had those two jobs at one point, right?
> Wha'hoppun?

They weren't jobs, they were contracts, and they both finished before
I went away.

Karen

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On Sunday, August 10, 2003, Bonnie Voigtlander wrote:
>>> an email to customer service at your ISP bounces with a
>>> permanent, fatal error message?
>>
>>> --bonniev, soon to be no longer at panax.com
>>
>>If it's one e-mail, I wouldn't worry.
>>Karen

> The real problem is that the bounce message is the <only> email to come
> through in the last almost 48 hours.  Yet list mail is not bouncing back to
> Adam.  We can send mail and we can surf the web.  But when we ask for our
> mail the pop server tells us we have none.

Can you phone them?

Karen

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On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:

>>What is true is that at no point today have I phrased a question as an
>>assumption.
>
>"Am I the only meeber who checks books out of libraries?"
>
>It is a question.
>
>You have phrased it as an assumption that you are the only meeber who
>checks books out of libraries.

No, Peter - I have phrased my question as a question. No syntactic theory
I am familiar will dispute that.

Bethany

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On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, lisping cockatiel wrote:
> > Free John Sinclair!  (sic)
>
> Hey, I know him!
>
> He recently moved out of New Orleans.

No kidding.  Is Leni still with him?

(I didn't know either of them)

Ann

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Karen:
>Yeah, but she's not a native speaker of the
>language of the country where her libraries are.

They rearranged our library to fit in
the Spanish and Vietnamese sections.

--
have borrowed Spanish books, too

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Karen Kay writes,

>Was it Pete who mentioned him here?

Very well might have been -- he's one of my favorite authors.

Pete

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>> We can send mail and we can surf the web.  But when we ask for our
>> mail the pop server tells us we have none.
>
>Can you phone them?
>Karen

Clyde tried that late yesterday afternoon.  They close down at 9 p.m. on
Saturday, not to reopen until Monday a.m.  The tech on the phone seemed
utterly surprised at the news that we weren't getting mail and that
messages asking for help were bouncing.  His only suggestion was to try
again in an hour.


--bonniev

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On Sunday, August 10, 2003, lisping cockatiel wrote:
> Karen:
>>Yeah, but she's not a native speaker of the
>>language of the country where her libraries are.

> They rearranged our library to fit in
> the Spanish and Vietnamese sections.

What percentage of the local Spanish and Vietnamese populations do you
think use the library?

Karen

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On Sunday, August 10, 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Karen Kay writes,

>>Was it Pete who mentioned him here?

> Very well might have been -- he's one of my favorite authors.

He looks interesting--and he's certainly articulate.

Karen

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>> an email to customer service at your ISP bounces with a
>> permanent, fatal error message?
>
>> --bonniev, soon to be no longer at panax.com
>
>If it's one e-mail, I wouldn't worry.
>Karen

The real problem is that the bounce message is the <only> email to come
through in the last almost 48 hours.  Yet list mail is not bouncing back to
Adam.  We can send mail and we can surf the web.  But when we ask for our
mail the pop server tells us we have none.

--bonniev

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Ann:
> No kidding.  Is Leni still with him?

Well, his longtime wife/companion is, if
that's who you mean.  I never met her,
that I recall.

Sinclair used to hang out in a tavern
we used to hang in, and I saw him at a
few parties.  Saying I *knew* him may
be overstating the case; we had more
than a nodding acquaintance, he knew
my name, y'know, he rides a bike.

He did readings, he did cool radio
shows every week; his Jazz Fest shows
were amazing.

And, don't worry; he's the same guy he
was in the 1960s.

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On 10 Aug 2003 at 14:54, Ann Borkin wrote:

> Actually, I didn't realize the Hare Krishnas were still doing their
> thing/s.  I thought they were a 60's / 70's phenomenon!

They're still in evidence in these parts.
http://www.iskcon.net/hawaii/index.html

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On Sunday, August 10, 2003, Bonnie Voigtlander wrote:
> Clyde tried that late yesterday afternoon.  They close down at 9 p.m. on
> Saturday, not to reopen until Monday a.m.  The tech on the phone seemed
> utterly surprised at the news that we weren't getting mail and that
> messages asking for help were bouncing.  His only suggestion was to try
> again in an hour.

Do they have local newsgroups or voicemail or something? I'd
definitely register a complaint and ask for a credit for the days
involved.

Karen

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"The King Ranch is about the size of Rhode Island."

Is there anything RI hasn't been compared to?!

Karen
(http://www.king-ranch.com/index_ie.htm)

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>Do they have local newsgroups or voicemail or something? I'd
>definitely register a complaint and ask for a credit for the days
>involved.    -Karen

No local newsgroups.  Don't know about voicemail.  At this point I'm more
interested in getting my damn mail than getting a credit.

 --bonniev

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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> Call out Gouranga!

In case anybody else was ignorant of Gouranga and curious but not THAT
curious, here's a web site.  Also, I read that the Hare Krishnas in
Britain (and I suppose in Chicago) tell people to 'call out Gouranga and
be happy' .  Something like that.

http://www.sivanandadlshq.org/saints/gauranga.htm

Actually, I didn't realize the Hare Krishnas were still doing their
thing/s.  I thought they were a 60's / 70's phenomenon!

Ann

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On Sunday, August 10, 2003, Bonnie Voigtlander wrote:
>>Do they have local newsgroups or voicemail or something? I'd
>>definitely register a complaint and ask for a credit for the days
>>involved.    -Karen

> No local newsgroups.  Don't know about voicemail.  At this point I'm more
> interested in getting my damn mail than getting a credit.

You should be able to get both.

Karen

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I'm going to admit my ignorance. My answer to both of your questions is, I don't know. What kind of contract should she come with? The breeder is very cool and I believe whatever kind of contract will be the <right> kind. But what should I be looking for? And what is "finishing"?

Help.

Marie

----- Original Message -----
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
Date: Sunday, August 10, 2003 9:33 am
Subject: Re: Daisy

>        Excellent!  What kind of contract does she come with?  Are
> they going to finish her if she's good enough?  You should
> learn how to bird hunt.  It's fun.
>
> Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> > In the meantime, look at the cute little vizsla puppies!!! I'm
> going to get one of the girls.
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/ourvizslas/Nellie.html
> >
> > Marie
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM>
> > Date: Saturday, August 9, 2003 8:47 pm
> > Subject: Daisy
> >
> >
> >>The woman who used to own Daisy has found a family in the
> >>country, she said.  I'm going to miss Daisy, but she is too
> >>much for Mom.
> >>
> >>Evelyn Duncan
> >>brandykitt@aol.com
> >>"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> >>life:  music and cats."
> >>--Albert Schweitzer
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>
>
>

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From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@maynor.net>
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I'm home now, still on nomail, and will probably stay on nomail for a
day or so since I'm overwhelmed with catch-up stuff.  It was a good
trip.

A few odds 'n ends:

Went the Greenville route from Atlanta to Newberry, mem.  It was kind of
a toss-up, I was in torrential rains in Atlanta, managed to see through
a slim opening in the torrents a highway sign saying "Greenville," took
it, got there.  Loved Newberry.  It's a pretty little town with many of
its streets named for my ancestors.  It felt way weird to be driving
around in search of cemeteries constantly seeing streets, churches, etc.
named for my kin.  And in the cemeteries almost every tombstone was for
somebody related to me.  Re our earlier discussion of Lexington and
Newberry Counties, Lexington was in my background also, but Newberry is
a hive of my ancestral spoors.

Re spoors, I was of course awash in the spoors of Giggles in Raleigh.  I
was flipping through a brochure in the motel and saw a picture of the
little train we rode at Hollerfest.  I wanted in a way to try to find
Giggles's house, but I didn't because I knew it would bring on more
tears than I was up to.  I loved the NC archives.  Spent two eight-hour
days there and found lots of good stuff.  Am going to write a letter of
appreciation to the director sometime soon, praising the friendly,
helpful, knowledgeable staff.  I kept wanting to call Phyllis while in
that vicinity but knew that I needed to <stay on task>.

Had lots of Norman thoughts when zipping by Greensboro and
Winston-Salem.  Wish he would come back to us.  Has anybody heard from
him lately?  Did he get married?

Except for horrible rain off and on, I enjoyed my stay in the
mountains.  I adore the NC mountains.  Decided to leave Jefferson
yesterday after the event instead of spending last night there, though,
because I knew that navigating the tiny, winding mountain roads with
their Adam-wouldn't-like-it views in the early-morning fog and possible
rain would not be good.  So I headed on over through the winding roads
yesterday afternoon and ended up in Greeneville, TN, thinking about my
gg-grandfather, the bastard, who had probably migrated along my
approximate route.

Thought this morning about how much fun it would be if I could go condo
looking with Bethany but figured 7:30 a.m. on Sunday was not a likely
time, so I kept on moving -- and concluded that either they've cleaned
up some of the Kville mess since my last trip through it or 7:30 a.m. on
Sunday is the time to cross Kville.  It was an easy crossing.  I had to
do it because there was really no other reasonable route from Jefferson,
NC, to Starkville, MS.  As usual, I thought of Jeff Kell when winding
through Chattanooga.  I wonder how he's doing.

There were lots of other little WLMs along the way.  Will perhaps report
on them later.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Thought this morning about how much fun it would be if I could go condo
>looking with Bethany but figured 7:30 a.m. on Sunday was not a likely
>time, so I kept on moving -- and concluded that either they've cleaned

I was home until 7:30 - you could have reached me on my cell phone until
about 7:40.

Anyway, you missed it. I have already selected the condo to steal. I plan
to close on the deal on Aug. 29.

Bethany

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Well, the contract will set forth certain guarantees about
the health of your pup and will specify that you return her
to the breeder if stuff doesn't work out at any point in the
future.  Then it can go in different directions -- either
she's being sold as a pet on a limited registration and you
agree to spay her, or you agree NOT to spay her so that the
breeders can show her if they want to.

Marie Ascher wrote:

> I'm going to admit my ignorance. My answer to both of your questions is, I don't know. What kind of contract should she come with? The breeder is very cool and I believe whatever kind of contract will be the <right> kind. But what should I be looking for? And what is "finishing"?
>
> Help.
>
> Marie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
> Date: Sunday, August 10, 2003 9:33 am
> Subject: Re: Daisy
>
>
>>       Excellent!  What kind of contract does she come with?  Are
>>they going to finish her if she's good enough?  You should
>>learn how to bird hunt.  It's fun.
>>
>>Marie Ascher wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In the meantime, look at the cute little vizsla puppies!!! I'm
>>>
>>going to get one of the girls.
>>
>>>http://www.geocities.com/ourvizslas/Nellie.html
>>>
>>>Marie
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM>
>>>Date: Saturday, August 9, 2003 8:47 pm
>>>Subject: Daisy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The woman who used to own Daisy has found a family in the
>>>>country, she said.  I'm going to miss Daisy, but she is too
>>>>much for Mom.
>>>>
>>>>Evelyn Duncan
>>>>brandykitt@aol.com
>>>>"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
>>>>life:  music and cats."
>>>>--Albert Schweitzer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>--
>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


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Because I've decided that my next project is going to be zebra socks,
I've been looking at zebras on the web. Google's image archive is
really quite good; they even have pictures of zebra butts, if you are
into such a thing.

Karen

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Does anybody know the name of the daylilies that are a
lavender color and seem to spring up without foliage?  I've
seen a bunch this year.  Ana's riding instructor has had
some come up in front of the barn, but she didn't plant
them, and so now I'm curious about this variety.

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On Sunday, August 10, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Does anybody know the name of the daylilies that are a
> lavender color and seem to spring up without foliage?  I've
> seen a bunch this year.  Ana's riding instructor has had
> some come up in front of the barn, but she didn't plant
> them, and so now I'm curious about this variety.

Are you sure they are daylilies? They might be rain lilies. (Those are
the only kind of lily I know that spring up without foliage.)

Karen

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--- lisping cockatiel <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>
wrote:
> Ann:
> > Free John Sinclair!  (sic)
>
> Hey, I know him!
>
> He recently moved out of New Orleans.


Where did he go?  Isn't he a jazz musician?  I though
he was based in NO.

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Evelyn,

I saw a portion of a silent movie that I loved.  The
title was something like, well - I don't know.  But it
was sort of like Arabian nights.  A magician offered a
magical horse to a nobleman or prince, as a ransom.
The actors were not human, but beautifully cut-out
figures.  The horse was marvelous.  It may have been a
German film.

Does that sound familiar?  It was on TCM.  I'd like to
see it in its entirety.

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In a message dated 8/10/2003 8:59:15 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
I saw a portion of a silent movie that I loved.  The
title was something like, well - I don't know.  But it
was sort of like Arabian nights.  A magician offered a
magical horse to a nobleman or prince, as a ransom.
The actors were not human, but beautifully cut-out
figures.  The horse was marvelous.  It may have been a
German film.

>>

That sounds like the Thief of Baghdad, starring Douglas
Fairbanks, Sr.  But that wasn't an animated film, even
though it had special effects  Fairbanks played a thief
who fell in love with a princess; he wanted to become
a nobleman, so he was given some tasks to do by a 
magician.  He fulfilled the tasks, so the magician 
fulfilled the thief's wishes and turned him into a nobleman
and gave him a horse.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Sunday, August 10, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Does anybody know the name of the daylilies that are a
>>lavender color and seem to spring up without foliage?  I've
>>seen a bunch this year.  Ana's riding instructor has had
>>some come up in front of the barn, but she didn't plant
>>them, and so now I'm curious about this variety.
>>
>
> Are you sure they are daylilies? They might be rain lilies. (Those are
> the only kind of lily I know that spring up without foliage.)


        I've never heard of rain lilies.  These are a nice lavender
color, and are on a thick stalk without any leaves.  They're
in bloom right now.



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Thanks, Karen.  Mystery solved.  Daylilies wasn't bringing
anything up on google, but rain lilies did.  We've had a
bunch of rain lately, so that would explain their sudden
appearance.  I've never seen them before, but it's been
pretty dry every summer since we moved to Missouri.




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> That sounds like the Thief of Baghdad, starring
> Douglas
> Fairbanks, Sr.  But that wan't an animated film,
> even
> though it had special effects  Fairbanks played a
> thief
> who fell in love with a princess; he wanted to
> become
> a nobleman, so he was given some tasks to do by a
> magician.  He fulfilled the tasks, so the magician
> fulfilled the thief's wishes and turned him into a
> nobleman
> and gave him a horse.

The plot is very similar.  I remember the magician
asking (subtitles, of course) if the nobleman knew how
to turn the flying horse, but most importantly, if he
knew how to make the horse come back to earth.  There
was a veiled princess in a curtained litter (what are
they called?).

The whole thing was wonderfully artistic.

Another of my favorites is "Street Scene", which was
way before its time, as far as cinematography went.

And there is a great very early, silent documentary,
"Salt for Svetiana".
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> life:  music and cats."
> --Albert Schweitzer


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In a message dated 8/10/2003 9:29:15 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
The plot is very similar.  I remember the magician
asking (subtitles, of course) if the nobleman knew how
to turn the flying horse, but most importantly, if he
knew how to make the horse come back to earth.  There
was a veiled princess in a curtained litter (what are
they called?).

>>

I'm going to have to watch The Thief of Baghdad on
Wednesday; my day off.  I'll have more time to watch
movies, since I won't be able to take Daisy on walks.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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>
> I'm going to have to watch The Thief of Baghdad on
> Wednesday; my day off.  I'll have more time to watch
> movies, since I won't be able to take Daisy on
> walks.

What was the decision on Daisy, then?


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In a message dated 8/10/2003 9:48:10 PM Central Daylight Time, 
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<<
What was the decision on Daisy, then?

>>

Mom's taking her back.  If I had time off and could work
with Daisy, i could train her not to bite.  She's a bright,
friendly puppy who is overenthusiastic and way too 
much for Mom.

I miss Daisy already.

Evelyn Duncan
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On Sunday, August 10, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> Mom's taking her back.  If I had time off and could work
> with Daisy, i could train her not to bite.  She's a bright,
> friendly puppy who is overenthusiastic and way too
> much for Mom.

You mean your Mom is taking her back to the people who will take her
to the country? I think that she's being realistic, and that's good.

Karen

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In a message dated 8/10/2003 10:10:39 PM Central Daylight Time, 
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
<<
You mean your Mom is taking her back to the people who will take her
to the country? I think that she's being realistic, and that's good.

>>

Yes.  If we get another pet, it will be a kitten.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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life:  music and cats."
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On Sunday, August 10, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> If we get another pet, it will be a kitten.

How many cats do you have now?

Karen

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On Sunday, August 10, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Thanks, Karen.  Mystery solved.  Daylilies wasn't bringing
> anything up on google, but rain lilies did.  We've had a
> bunch of rain lately, so that would explain their sudden
> appearance.  I've never seen them before, but it's been
> pretty dry every summer since we moved to Missouri.

They really are neat--I love they way they spring forth fully formed.
I only have a few, but they do self-propagate. (Or you can buy more at
a nursery.)

I did a search on daylilies no-foliage and found stuff about cutting
daylily foliage back; I think all daylilies have foliage. And then I
thought, duh. Rain lilies are the only flowers I know that spring up
like that.

Karen

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> Yes.  If we get another pet, it will be a kitten.

Probably best, in an apartment.

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In a message dated 8/10/2003 10:21:29 PM Central Daylight Time, 
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
<<
How many cats do you have now?

>>

One; Sweetie

Evelyn Duncan
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In a message dated 8/10/2003 10:21:40 PM Central Daylight Time, 
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Probably best, in an apartment.

>>

Definitely.

Evelyn Duncan
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13:27 07.08.2003 +0300 skrev Kristin Sarv:
>"Espen S. Ore" wrote:
>
>> Too bad for my mother - she has been in Tallinn for two days now.
>
>I told over the phone both with my mother and sister, living in Tallinn,
>yesterday. They said it was slightly warmer there, and less windy. Which is not
>usual either, btw, as it is situated at the sea. But it is also a bit westwards
>from Tartu (towards NNW-wards), and can still enjoy a weak influence of the
>anticyclone "of yours".
>
>I hope you mother can enjoy her trip.

She did. And she said she wished to go back and spend another couple of weeks there, at least.

Espen

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17:53 07.08.2003 -0500 skrev Tushar Samant:
>02003-08-07 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
>> Doris Markland wrote:
>>
>> > Had to say that, Kristin, because
>> > Europeans think Americans are
>> > so puritanical.
>>
>> Do they? Yes, perhaps, that, too. It is not better than to think
>> Americans only eat hamburgers, and to forget all about Gershwin, and
>> L.Bernstein, and Mark Twain, etc. Not that everybody thinks that way.
>
>Of course not. Just Europeans.

I resemble that. I even made a pilgrimage to the Twain house in Hartford once.

Espen

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08:00 08.08.2003 -0700 skrev Ann Borkin:
>On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>
>> IMO Twain, Bernstein and Gershwin were artists, not
>> athletes or "stars".  Do you consider that Madonna
>> will leave the world a legacy comparable to those that
>> T, B and G have done?
>
>This is a serious question:  what was Bernstein's legacy?
>
>Another serious question:  do you think Gershwin left THE WORLD a legacy?
>As opposed to a couple of generations of Americans?

Again as an un-American I would say that Madonna, Bernstein and Gerschwin all have left a legacy. For Madonna it is the combination of her music and her performances - but for me performer's also leave a legacy: in some cases indirectly in that their performances influence others and so on, and for modern times we also have recordings.

Espen

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10:27 08.08.2003 -0400 skrev Marty Rosen:
>I wonder how many "Americans" could name a single work by either Gershwin or
>Bernstein?  How many could name more than one work by Twain?
>
>Why invoke these names at all?  Why not Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, and
>Madonna, who are much more widely known than this bunch of white footnotes?

I am not "American" so that is probably why I don't know anything at all about Tiger Woods or Michael Jordan. OTOH I have read most of what Mark twain published.

Espen

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07:59 08.08.2003 -0700 skrev Lynne Weber:
>>
>> I am happy that you liked it but where do you find
>> "kaba"? It is not a
>> Norwegian word.
>>
>> Espen
>
>Willie Vieths "Kaba" Orkester performing med litte
>granne humor (with a thing through the last o), l935.

Aha. I would guess that the band has taken the name from the Kaba in Mecca, but I don't know. BTW "humor" in Norwegian means the same as "humor" in English. "humør" (with the slash through the "o") means "good humor".

Espen

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16:16 08.08.2003 -0400 skrev Marty Rosen:

>No doubt.  Both Bernstein and Gershwin are exquisitely "American." And I
>mean that without a trace of irony.  They're both first generation U.S.-born
>sons of immigrant Jewish parents.  Twain is certainly from the heartland
>(enough so that he's been brushed with the taint of anti-semitism, though
>that's only an amusing aside).
>
>But are they measures of U.S. culture?  Where do they stand compared to
>Norman Lear, Andy Warhol, or Larry Flynt or the Beach Boys or Elvis Presley?
> And more to the point, for what case are they evidence?

What are we looking for when we are talking about <a country or a region>'s culture? If we are taking a count among Norwegian males between 16 and 50 I would not be surprised if more of them could mention the names of players on the Manchester United team than plays by Shakespeare. So what does that prove? That if we are talking about culture we should look for majority, for the not too upper middle class well educated people? That works fine, but it also works fine to see that most countries have both the lowbrows and the highbrows. So do you claim that there is a larger percentage in America (meaning the US I guess) who don't care about <high> culture than there is in e.g. Europe? I guess there may be more knowers of and lovers of opera in Italy than in many other places, but that is another thing.

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I bought the Icelandic "101 Reykjavik" and it is great. Extremely funny. (And it gives me a feeling that if I stayed in Iceland for a week or two I could get into talking the language).

And then we went to a movie theatre and saw yet another good new British movie (they seem to make quite a few these days): Once upon the time in the Midlands. Some scenes might be a little heavy with the sentimentality but the humorous scenes were screemingly funny!

Espen

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19:09 08.08.2003 -0500 skrev Tushar Samant:
>02003-08-08 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
>> I need and want a basic math class.  I would like to repeat the one I had
>> at Oberlin in the middle of the last century.  I got a C, because I didn't
>> work at it; but of all the classes I didn't work at, this was a pretty
>> entertaining class.
>
>It is my considered opinion that Dr Borkin should somehow obtain and
>read a "grpahic novel" which I recently read: Ghost World. I think Dr
>Ann will find a familiar character in it.
>
>That's not the only reason. I am almost moved to say that this comic
>book will become a true American legacy to the world (as soon as Ken
>Burns freakin SHUTS UP)

And the movie isn't bad, either.

Espen

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21:53 08.08.2003 -0400 skrev Adam Hartfield:
>> Who has had an MRI?
>>
>> I had one last night. If you have had one, you will know how tight and
>> confining it is in the machine. Noisy for 35 mins too.
>> No open-MRIs in the area was the bummer.
>
>I haven't had one myself, but I've accompanied Mom and did accompany Grampa
>into the testing chamber 5 times so far. Mom's claustrophobic and has to
>take Valium before the test. I hold on to her ankles while she's in the
>machine. It's damn loud, even with ear plugs.

I have only had my knee MRIed. Yes, there was a lot of noise but I could read all through that.

Espen

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22:01 08.08.2003 -0400 skrev Evelyn Duncan:
>In a message dated 8/8/2003 8:58:42 PM Central Daylight Time,
>lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
><<
>Got you.  It would have to have been, he's been gone
>for many a year.
>
>>>
>
>I'd love to see the original series again; I watched the remake,
>and it left me cold.

When it was shown in Norway (in the late 60ies) there was still only one (government) TV channel in Norway. So everyone who had access to a TV were sitting in front of it on the nights when the Forsyte Saga was on. And I guess a lot of the men fell in love with Susan Hampshire as Fleur.

Espen

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In a message dated 8/11/2003 6:16:55 AM Central Daylight Time, 
Espen.Ore@NB.NO writes:
<<
And I guess a lot of the men fell in love with Susan Hampshire as Fleur.

>>

Not just the men.

Evelyn Duncan
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20:30 08.08.2003 -0700 skrev Ann Borkin:
>On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
>> I'm sorry, weren't you the one claiming that Gandhi is universally
>> admired? I don't believe that for a second.
>
>Well I think he's icon-ized and lipserviced in the U.S.  I don't know
>about elsewhere.
>
>Kristin can speak for Estonia; Espen, for Norway; Roy, Steph, chopped
>liver for elsewhere . . .

I am old enough (and have a suitable leftish set of mind) both to admire Gandhi (who died before I was born) and to remember a Norwegian philosopher, Arne Næss (he is still alive) who was very much involved in nature conservation and peaceful (ahimsa) demonstrations and civil disobedience against some hydropowerstation construction projects going on in the 1970ies in Norway.

But if I went out on the streets of Oslo today and started to ask a random sample of the people I met, I am not sure that the majority would even know who Gandhi was (I take it for given that we are talking about Mahatma Gandhi and not any of the Indian prime minister Gandhis)

Espen

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00:06 09.08.2003 -0500 skrev Tushar Samant:
>02003-08-08 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
>> On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> > I'm sorry, weren't you the one claiming that Gandhi is universally
>> > admired? I don't believe that for a second.
>>
>> Well I think he's icon-ized and lipserviced in the U.S.  I don't know
>> about elsewhere.
>
>That is because it's an unassailable peg to hang your statement
>on.
>
>(Or it may be even less, like quoting T S Eliot--who I believe
>functions sort of as a one-stop compilation of rented thoughts ...
>Instead of quoting a difficult statement by an original thinker,
>you quote a simplified version by Eliot.)

Are you talking of Michelangelo?

Espen

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08:05 09.08.2003 -0400 skrev clyde w. voigtlander:
>At 07:40 PM 8/8/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>>Who (which Americans) would be meaningful?
>>
>>I mean, as a positive cultural legacy.
>
>The problem is that it may take a generation or so before any <legacy> is
>established or recognized, so talking about contemporary (or nearly so)
>Americans is a guess.  Earlier, Gershwin and Bernstein were mentioned;
>perhaps in the long run, Copland will be more remembered/appreciated in
>terms of true "American" music (if there is such a thing).  But it may take
>time.  If I remember my music history correctly, J.S. Bach was largely
>ignored and unappreciated until Felix Mendelssohn resurrected his works
>some 70-80 years after Bach's death.
>
>In the visual arts, people like the three generations of Wyeths---N.C.,
>Andrew, James---I believe are a part of our cultural legacy.  In the long
>run, perhaps the films of Kubrick, Coppola, and Scorsese may be more
>influential/culturally iconic than any of the painters, writers, or
>musician/composers of this era.

But shouldn't Kubrick be listed under Britsh culture?

Espen

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14:52 09.08.2003 -0700 skrev Ann Borkin:
>This girl is really really white:  blonde, pale, wears only white gauzy
>things.  She has an accent I can't place but it is definitely foreign.
>she's in my Greek class.  I've wondered about why she wears only white,
>being so pale herself, but what I know now never occurred to me:  she
>belongs to some religous cult.
>
>Here is what I know about what they believe:
>
>1.  Sanscrit is a holy language given to us straight from the divine.
>Sanskrit is a language that never changed, never.
>2.  Something about 50 syllables
>3.  I think these 50 syllables contain "pure essence of meaning."
>4.  I think these 50 syllables are pure vibrations from the beginning of
>time.
>5.  Something about sound, vibration and light.

Vedic astrology? (And soon we are back at Kundalini again.)

Espen

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19:40 09.08.2003 -0500 skrev Karen Kay:
>On Saturday, August 09, 2003, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>> One of them at least may have been paved by now; in the '70s, I went to a
>> party with some cow-orkers in Durham NC. I didn't name that place because
>> I don't want to give the impression that it's a Southern phenomenon. It
>> ain't, but I will have to think to come up w/ accurate cites in the NE -
>> I have been in a lot more places up here, and they sort of blur together.
>
>I've lived lots of places without sidewalks--in fact, I currently live
>on one. But not many dirt roads w/in city limits.

Here you can go moose hunting within city limits.

Espen

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Yes. All that. Returnable at any time if it doesn't work out for us, with a full refund. I am not planning on spaying her immediately, but I don't think that's in the contract. I can do whatever I want, and I'm considering it might be nice to have puppies sometime. Still undecided about that. Will fence the yard.

Would "finishing" imply that the breeders maintain the right to show the dog if they want? That was never suggested. I know she hopes I want to, but I've made it clear that I was buying the puppy primarily as a pet and wasn't buying into a lifestyle. I also wouldn't be happy with them coming and taking my dog away from me...

Marie

----- Original Message -----
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
Date: Sunday, August 10, 2003 9:03 pm
Subject: Re: Daisy

> Well, the contract will set forth certain guarantees about
> the health of your pup and will specify that you return her
> to the breeder if stuff doesn't work out at any point in the
> future.  Then it can go in different directions -- either
> she's being sold as a pet on a limited registration and you
> agree to spay her, or you agree NOT to spay her so that the
> breeders can show her if they want to.
>
> Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> > I'm going to admit my ignorance. My answer to both of your
> questions is, I don't know. What kind of contract should she come
> with? The breeder is very cool and I believe whatever kind of
> contract will be the <right> kind. But what should I be looking
> for? And what is "finishing"?
> >
> > Help.
> >
> > Marie
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
> > Date: Sunday, August 10, 2003 9:33 am
> > Subject: Re: Daisy
> >
> >
> >>       Excellent!  What kind of contract does she come with?  Are
> >>they going to finish her if she's good enough?  You should
> >>learn how to bird hunt.  It's fun.
> >>
> >>Marie Ascher wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>In the meantime, look at the cute little vizsla puppies!!! I'm
> >>>
> >>going to get one of the girls.
> >>
> >>>http://www.geocities.com/ourvizslas/Nellie.html
> >>>
> >>>Marie
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM>
> >>>Date: Saturday, August 9, 2003 8:47 pm
> >>>Subject: Daisy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>The woman who used to own Daisy has found a family in the
> >>>>country, she said.  I'm going to miss Daisy, but she is too
> >>>>much for Mom.
> >>>>
> >>>>Evelyn Duncan
> >>>>brandykitt@aol.com
> >>>>"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> >>>>life:  music and cats."
> >>>>--Albert Schweitzer
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>--
> >>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> >>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> >>http://www.etext.org/~rita
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>
>
>

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10:06 10.08.2003 -0400 skrev Bethany K. Dumas:
>On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>
>>I check books out of libraries.
>
>Excellent. That's three of us now. Often when posters speak of wanting to
>read a book they ask its price and whether it is in print - that led to
>my query.

I check books out of libraries (even the one I am working in).

Espen

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At 03:35 AM 8/9/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

>I'm not really sure but it seems to me (from this distance) that his 15
>minutes of icon-dom are over in India ...

Given the posturing and sabre-rattling of recent years, I would concur.

A couple we knew in Oak Ridge were great, nearly fanatical, admirers of
him.  They were not pleased when it was pointed out that Gandhi's success
was due in part to the tolerance of the British and their adherence to
their legal system.  Had he tried the same approach in Hitler's Germany or
Stalin's Russia, we might never have heard of him.

cwv

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Were I a Californian I think I might vote for Don Novello (aka Father Guido Sarducci)
 
BrP
 
 


>>> dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM 08/09/03 05:41PM >>>
http://gallaghersmash.com/index2.htm 

Be sure you click on his "platform."
      
                 - D. M.

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Espen Ore wrote:

> 10:27 08.08.2003 -0400 skrev Marty Rosen:
>
>>I wonder how many "Americans" could name a single work by either Gershwin or
>>Bernstein?  How many could name more than one work by Twain?
>>
>>Why invoke these names at all?  Why not Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, and
>>Madonna, who are much more widely known than this bunch of white footnotes?
>>
>
> I am not "American" so that is probably why I don't know anything at all about Tiger Woods or Michael Jordan. OTOH I have read most of what Mark twain published.


        My impression from my exchange students is that Twain is read
pretty widely in schools in other countries.




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It would seem that Twain would be a great choice.  In his own words - "I am not AN American.  I am THE American."
 
BrP
 
 
 
 

>>> rouvalis@SWBELL.NET 08/11/03 08:33AM >>>

        My impression from my exchange students is that Twain is read
pretty widely in schools in other countries.




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Were I a Californian I think I might vote for Don Novello (aka Father
Guido Sarducci)

BrP


Is he running?  What a guy.

I quick googled and found a lot of stuff about him which I don't have
time to read but for fun I lifted some examples of his humor for your
morning pleasure and in case anyone doesn't remember him:

"On The Last Supper: It was actually a brunch. The check (discovered by
Sarducci himself!) reveals that one guy only had a soft-boiled egg and
tea, while everyone else stuffed themselves. But when the bill was paid,
it was divided equally. The moral: "In groups, always order the most
expensive thing."

On The "Missing" Commandments: There were actually more than ten, but
Moses was old and grumpy, and after he broke the tablets he could only
remember the negative ones. "Don't do this. Don't do that." The truth
is, most of them were more like advice. The Twelfth Commandment, for
example, was "Whistle while you work." (People think its from Disney,
but Disney stole it from God.)

On Former Vice President Dan Quayle: Dan Quayle was going around the
country giving C students a bad name.

On Masturbation: Life is a job. You get $14.50 a day, but after you die,
you have to pay for your sins. Stealing a hub cap is around $100.
Masturbation is 35 cents (it doesn't seem like much, but it adds up). If
there's money left when you subtract what you owe from what you've
earned, you can go to heaven. If not, you have to go back to work. (Sort
of like reincarnation -- many nuns are Mafia guys working it off.)"


                - D. M.

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clyde:

>A couple we knew in Oak Ridge were great, nearly fanatical, admirers of
>him.  They were not pleased when it was pointed out that Gandhi's success
>was due in part to the tolerance of the British and their adherence to
>their legal system.  Had he tried the same approach in Hitler's Germany or
>Stalin's Russia, we might never have heard of him.

But that's true for a zillion historic figures - it's a weird and pointless
quibble as far as I'm concerned. The success of a strategy depends
on knowing your opponent. Using the same tactics against Hitler
as against the Brits would be monumentally stooopid so I don't get
the speculation. Hopefully he'd have the brains to change tactics
depending on who he was up against. Why would you think he'd
use the same against everybody?!? I understand people disagreeing
with Gandhi but this is such a strange slam. I have heard it before
and never get it.

In any case I was not defending Gandhi's methods. My point to Ann
was that both here and in India Gandhi is distinctly unfashionable as
a figure of inspiration and admiration - not surprising given that
popularity of public figures comes in cycles.

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I'm still awash -- no time for regular <intercourse> -- but suddenly
remembered something else I meant to report.  Remember my talking about
how one set of my camera batteries seemed to last for ages while the
other set was wimpy?  Well, suddenly on this trip the long-lasting ones
seemed to wimp out quickly, making me mightily confused.  But for some
reason I turned off the camera and then turned it back on, with the same
batteries in it, and it was fine.  Iow, what I discovered was that my
camera apparently gives a false alarm at times about charging the
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Marie Ascher wrote:

>
> Would "finishing" imply that the breeders maintain the right to show the dog if they want? That was never suggested. I know she hopes I want to, but I've made it clear that I was buying the puppy primarily as a pet and wasn't buying into a lifestyle. I also wouldn't be happy with them coming and taking my dog away from me...
>


Yes, most breeders want to know that their lines are
producing dogs that meet their goals in terms of their
breeding program -- it's not just a matter of getting
puppies, but of getting better puppies every time.  To know
that, you need to see what the pups can do.  I hope you do
try a show and some bird hunting, though, because it's fun.
  It's not a lifestyle if you don't want it to be.
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Espen Ore writes,

>Aha. I would guess that the band has taken the name from the Kaba in
>Mecca, but I don't know.

It may denote a style of music, said style seeming to be centered around
Bulgaria / Albania / Turkey (at least in Googled English pages).  Filtering
out a number of other meanings, here are a few that might be indicative:

>As A L Lloyd points out in his notes to the famous Folk Music Of Albania
>anthology (Topic TSCD904), the kaba is Albania's distinctive version of 'a
>powerful recitative-like instrumental form of vast territorial
>extent.  Possibly originating in Persia, this kind of melody extends
>eastward as far as Tibet and Cambodia [and westward to] Albania and Algeria'.

>The kaba is the main non-dance form of instrumental music, featuring a
>free metre improvisation by the lead instrument, usually a clarinet.  As
>in klezmer, so in Albanian music, the clarinet gradually took over from
>the native wind instruments; the playing makes great use of portamento and
>is highly expressive.  Trills are used extensively - unusually for a
>bagpipe tune, the Song of the Bagpipe seems to use trills more than cuts
>and other ornamentation.  The violin kaba is particularly fascinating,
>turning from something that with its free melodic outline, meandering
>tonality and steady drone sounds similar to an Indian raga, into a dance
>tune that could almost be a re-rendering of a good English one

>The disc opens with a four and a half minute 'heavy' kaba for clarinet
>that uses the full expressive potential of the instrument.  Notes are
>'bent', and broken up into staccato by tonguing and breath.  Aleks Xhelili
>plays clarinet here, and elsewhere on this disc; he also closes the
>programme with _Kaba kurbeti_, an improvisation on an emigration song
>theme which has an impressive dynamic range and playing which is both
>delicately evocative and technically superb - a classic in my opinion.

>I am a tosk from prespa on the fyrom macedonian side and my ansectors had
>used to wear the fustanella and sing polinofike and kaba laments and used
>to work in the feilds.

"Kaba" is used to denote a particular size (and therefore tone) of a couple
of instruments in different places, too: "kaba gaida", a Bulgarian bagpipe;
and "kaba zurla/zurna", a Turkish wind instrument.

And it's used in the names of Turkish musical keys or notes: kaba yegâh,
rast, or dügah.

Pete

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02003-08-11 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> At 03:35 AM 8/9/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> >I'm not really sure but it seems to me (from this distance) that his 15
> >minutes of icon-dom are over in India ...
>
> Given the posturing and sabre-rattling of recent years, I would concur.
>
> A couple we knew in Oak Ridge were great, nearly fanatical, admirers of
> him.  They were not pleased when it was pointed out that Gandhi's success
> was due in part to the tolerance of the British and their adherence to
> their legal system.  Had he tried the same approach in Hitler's Germany or
> Stalin's Russia, we might never have heard of him.

I had never heard this highly original argument. It gives me a whole
new perspective on life. Thanks!

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02003-08-11 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> clyde:
>
> >A couple we knew in Oak Ridge were great, nearly fanatical, admirers of
> >him.  They were not pleased when it was pointed out that Gandhi's success
> >was due in part to the tolerance of the British and their adherence to
> >their legal system.  Had he tried the same approach in Hitler's Germany or
> >Stalin's Russia, we might never have heard of him.
>
> But that's true for a zillion historic figures - it's a weird and pointless
> quibble as far as I'm concerned. The success of a strategy depends
> on knowing your opponent. Using the same tactics against Hitler
> as against the Brits would be monumentally stooopid so I don't get
> the speculation. Hopefully he'd have the brains to change tactics
> depending on who he was up against. Why would you think he'd
> use the same against everybody?!? I understand people disagreeing
> with Gandhi but this is such a strange slam. I have heard it before
> and never get it.

Ha ha ... now that you mention it, I think I have heard it before
too ... in 1st grade

> In any case I was not defending Gandhi's methods. My point to Ann
> was that both here and in India Gandhi is distinctly unfashionable as
> a figure of inspiration and admiration - not surprising given that
> popularity of public figures comes in cycles.
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On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Espen Ore wrote:

>>Excellent. That's three of us now. Often when posters speak of wanting to
>>read a book they ask its price and whether it is in print - that led to
>>my query.
>
>I check books out of libraries (even the one I am working in).
>

Oh, my - there are at least 6 of us, then!

Bethany

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Here's the opening passage of Robert Johnson's "Saffron and the Good Life"
from Petits Propos Culinaires, 41, August 1992.  Are any of our readers
familiar with Philip's project?

"Late in the year of 1575, elderly men, most of them peasants, in over 500
places in New Castile and the north of Extremadura suddenly found themselves
obliged to answer viva voce 57 questions one after the other as the notary
read them out, sometimes in the presence of the local council.  On the tops
of their heads, on their cuffs, and at the tips of their fingers, these
worthies were assumed to have the salient facts of local history, present
jurisdictions temporal, judicial, and ecclesiastical, geography, water
supply, population, social composition, wealth, charitable foundations, and
religious life.  In addition, they were invited to digress on anything they
thought worthy of mention, which tempted Dr. Fabian Sanchez of Daimiel in
the province of Ciudad Real to chatter about his garden and Gaspar del
Forcallo and Pedro Gomez Hinojosa of Malagon in the same provice to wag
about one Diego Martin Asensio, a countryman who, with a pair of vulture's
wings fixed to his arms, flung himself into the air from the highest point
of the local sierra and, after clearing the slopes and a meadow, landed in a
scrawl of brambles; if only he'd thought to clap a tail to his rear he'd
have done a good four leages, or so they claimed he claimed.  After all,
Philip II had insisted that the replies be as 'full, reliable, and truthful
as possible.'


"The national history commensurate with the 'authority and greatness' of
Spain for which Philip had had such information so rapidly collected was
never written, but the replies to the questionnaire were kept at the
Escorial."

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02003-08-10 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Is there anything RI hasn't been compared to?!

I think this would be a rather weird situation.

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02003-08-10 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> "Am I the only meeber who checks books out of libraries?"
>
> This assumes you think you are, in other words that the answer is
> yes.

I find this an absurdly arrogant deduction.

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02003-08-10 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > Call out Gouranga!
>
> In case anybody else was ignorant of Gouranga and curious but not THAT
> curious, here's a web site.  Also, I read that the Hare Krishnas in
> Britain (and I suppose in Chicago) tell people to 'call out Gouranga and
> be happy' .  Something like that.
>
> http://www.sivanandadlshq.org/saints/gauranga.htm
>
> Actually, I didn't realize the Hare Krishnas were still doing their
> thing/s.  I thought they were a 60's / 70's phenomenon!

It's incredibly arrogant to assume that people wanted to be
happy only in the 60s.

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02003-08-09 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
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Where I come from, eye-rolling means "come hither".

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Doris Markland
>Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 5:27 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Who has had an MRI?
>
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Who has had an MRI?
>>
>> I had one last night. If you have had one, you will know how
>tight and
>> confining it is in the machine. Noisy for 35 mins too.
>> No open-MRIs in the area was the bummer.
>>
>> My thoracic and cervical spine made pretty pictures.
>>
>>
>> alec
>
>I've had an MRI . .
>Altho I can't remember why.
>I remember the noise, though.
>I didn't suffer from claustrophobia
>as much as I thought I would.
>
>So, did your test reveal anything we need
>to know about?
>
>             - D. M.
>

I hope it reveals nothing, but I am having some back pain which might be a
C7( bottom of the cervical spine) problem.


alec

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From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@isc.upenn.edu>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Carolyn Ostrander
>Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 9:46 PM
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>On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:26:43 -0500, alec wrote:
>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> Who has had an MRI?
>>>
>>> I had one last night. If you have had one, you will know
>how tight and
>>> confining it is in the machine. Noisy for 35 mins too.
>>> No open-MRIs in the area was the bummer.
>>>
>>> My thoracic and cervical spine made pretty pictures.
>>>
>>>
>>> alec
>>
>
>I have. I had previously had a tractiony kind of thing at the
>chiropractors, and learned exactly how many slow breaths were
>in a minute.
>It's the only way I got through.
>
>clo
>

When I was first put in the machine, it felt very tight, I asked to be
removed and took a few deep breaths and then I was fine. Never again without
drugs.


alec

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Alec D. Plotkin wrote:


> When I was first put in the machine, it felt very tight, I asked to be
> removed and took a few deep breaths and then I was fine. Never again without
> drugs.


I can't believe you're afraid of an x-ray.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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In a message dated 8/9/2003 9:43:05 PM, lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:

>Believe me, I can empathize.  Last year was an awful
>one for me, physically.  Even though I'm perfectly
>well, now, I remember the misery vividly.
>
As the saying goes: "You have to have been there to understand" doesn't it?
Anyway, my one dau here informed me yesterday that she's not going to help me.
Am trying to find a grocerystore that delivers here. Hopefully I'll get some
pain medication at my doctor's visit tomorrow. At least she'll go with me for
that.
Has the world really changed that much, or is it just this country?
It isn't as if I had called for help all the time either, and I won't in the
future if I succeed with the medication, but I do prefer to live in my own
home. I had presumed that that isn't too hard to understand. But I guess I was
wrong.
Theo

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Please note that I have changed Internet Providers and thus have a new
email address:  bonniev@gwi.net.     gw stands for great works

Panax healed itself overnight.  280 emails were waiting for me this
morning.  But their behavior is annoying.  I will soon cancel the panax
account.


bonniev@gwi.net

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Marty Rosen writes,

>Are any of our readers familiar with Philip's project?

I wasn't, but thank you for bringing it up.

Another of el Prudente's episodes of micro-management.  I think data is
cool, so I thank Señor Rey don Felipe for ordering the project. :)

The Google search that cracked it for me was <felipe-ii 57-preguntas>.

Here are the questions, and answers for a particular locale:

<http://www.herencia2000.com/historia/Interrogatorios_1575.htm>


Some other pages referring to the 1575 Interrogatorio and two others:

<http://www.terra.es/personal/coplaza7/gastrono.htm>

"... hechas de orden de Felipe II en tres distintos Interrogatorios, en los
años respectivos de: 1574, 1575 y 1578, y cuyos originales se conservan en
la Real Biblioteca de San Lorenzo del Escorial en siete tomos..."


<http://www.ub.es/geocrit/b3w-169.htm>

"La investigación se ha centrado en los interrogatorios de 1575 ­compuesto
de 57 preguntas, más otras dos sin numerar- y de 1578, sustancialmente
similar al anterior pero resumido a 45 preguntas. A ellos respondieron 700
localidades, la mayoría pertenecientes a las actuales provincias de Toledo,
Guadalajara, Madrid y Ciudad Real, algunos pueblos de Cáceres, Jaén y
Murcia y unos pocos más de Alicante y Badajoz. Puesto que no se trataba de
una exploración directa de la fuente, en la que meramente se computa el
dato, sino que pretendían estudiarse las variables subjetivas y las
actitudes, fue necesario analizar el texto con precisión. La mayor
dificultad metodológica, nos dice el autor, estuvo en la categorización de
las respuestas, para lo cual se optó por confeccionar una matriz de
respuestas a las preguntas claves del cuestionario para el estudio de la
geografía del agua en el XVI (preguntas 20, 21, 22 y 23 del interrogatorio
de 1575 y 20 y 21 del de 1578), una matriz de sistematización que permitía
a un mismo tiempo analizar hechos concretos e informaciones precisas, que
jalonarán la obra tanto en el texto como en cuadros que los cuantifican y
relacionan, y valorar el simbolismo o las imágenes perceptivas que del agua
y sus interacciones el entorno natural y social manifestaban los encuestados."


<http://216.239.37.104/search?q=cache:yNhBhFlnwdQJ:ventadelmoro.tdv.net/historia/historia1/puentevado.htm>
or
<http://tinyurl.com/jo5a>

Has a few of the questions and answers for another locale.

Pete

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:44:25 -0500
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On Monday, August 11, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> I can't believe you're afraid of an x-ray.

He's not; it's the confined space.

Karen

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This is outstanding!  I had citations for printed material, but it hadn't
occurred to me that some of this might be digitized.  Thanks!


>From: Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: philip's national history project
>Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:33:52 -0700
>
>Marty Rosen writes,
>
>>Are any of our readers familiar with Philip's project?
>
>I wasn't, but thank you for bringing it up.
>
>Another of el Prudente's episodes of micro-management.  I think data is
>cool, so I thank Señor Rey don Felipe for ordering the project. :)
>
>The Google search that cracked it for me was <felipe-ii 57-preguntas>.
>
>Here are the questions, and answers for a particular locale:
>
><http://www.herencia2000.com/historia/Interrogatorios_1575.htm>
>
>
>Some other pages referring to the 1575 Interrogatorio and two others:
>
><http://www.terra.es/personal/coplaza7/gastrono.htm>
>
>"... hechas de orden de Felipe II en tres distintos Interrogatorios, en los
>años respectivos de: 1574, 1575 y 1578, y cuyos originales se conservan en
>la Real Biblioteca de San Lorenzo del Escorial en siete tomos..."
>
>
><http://www.ub.es/geocrit/b3w-169.htm>
>
>"La investigación se ha centrado en los interrogatorios de 1575 ­compuesto
>de 57 preguntas, más otras dos sin numerar- y de 1578, sustancialmente
>similar al anterior pero resumido a 45 preguntas. A ellos respondieron 700
>localidades, la mayoría pertenecientes a las actuales provincias de Toledo,
>Guadalajara, Madrid y Ciudad Real, algunos pueblos de Cáceres, Jaén y
>Murcia y unos pocos más de Alicante y Badajoz. Puesto que no se trataba de
>una exploración directa de la fuente, en la que meramente se computa el
>dato, sino que pretendían estudiarse las variables subjetivas y las
>actitudes, fue necesario analizar el texto con precisión. La mayor
>dificultad metodológica, nos dice el autor, estuvo en la categorización de
>las respuestas, para lo cual se optó por confeccionar una matriz de
>respuestas a las preguntas claves del cuestionario para el estudio de la
>geografía del agua en el XVI (preguntas 20, 21, 22 y 23 del interrogatorio
>de 1575 y 20 y 21 del de 1578), una matriz de sistematización que permitía
>a un mismo tiempo analizar hechos concretos e informaciones precisas, que
>jalonarán la obra tanto en el texto como en cuadros que los cuantifican y
>relacionan, y valorar el simbolismo o las imágenes perceptivas que del agua
>y sus interacciones el entorno natural y social manifestaban los
>encuestados."
>
>
><http://216.239.37.104/search?q=cache:yNhBhFlnwdQJ:ventadelmoro.tdv.net/historia/historia1/puentevado.htm>
>or
><http://tinyurl.com/jo5a>
>
>Has a few of the questions and answers for another locale.
>
>Pete

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> 02003-08-11 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > In any case I was not defending Gandhi's methods. My point to Ann
> > was that both here and in India Gandhi is distinctly unfashionable
> > as a figure of inspiration and admiration - not surprising given
> > that popularity of public figures comes in cycles.

It occurs to me that the heroes of the current "sabre rattlers"
in the government are largely the armed-resistance types, who
were beaten, burned, put in solitary, yoked to mills, kicked
around in burlap sacks, etc with the full majesty of the law-
abiding British Empire. If only it was Nazi Germany they were
fighting, they would have succeeded!

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02003-08-11 | Espen Ore <Espen.Ore@NB.NO> writes:
> Vedic astrology? (And soon we are back at Kundalini again.)

Enough of that. Back to Ghost World

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I think I missed a large number of posts yesterday. Did we
finally agree that E B White, Barry Manilow and Charlie Rose
will leave the true American legacy?

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In a message dated 8/11/2003 6:23:12 AM, Espen.Ore@NB.NO writes:

>I check books out of libraries (even the one I am working in).
>
>Espen
>
I used to check out many books, but mostly before I was married.
Both my parents and I were avid readers, and I was able to read at a very
early age.
Theo

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In a message dated 8/11/2003 6:34:03 AM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

>        My impression from my exchange students is that Twain is read
>pretty widely in schools in other countries.
>
That's absolutely correct.
Theo

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From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@isc.upenn.edu>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Rita Chapman
>Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 1:42 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>
>
>> When I was first put in the machine, it felt very tight, I
>asked to be
>> removed and took a few deep breaths and then I was fine.
>Never again without
>> drugs.
>
>
>I can't believe you're afraid of an x-ray.
>
>


Not an x-ray at all. It does it with big magnets. It was a very confined
space for about an hour. Check out
http://health.yahoo.com/health/encyclopedia/003335/i1107.html

for info.

alec

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> Aha. I would guess that the band has taken the name
> from the Kaba in Mecca, but I don't know. BTW
> "humor" in Norwegian means the same as "humor" in
> English. "humør" (with the slash through the "o")
> means "good humor".
>
> Espen

Thank you once more, Espen.  (And Pete.)


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Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: English Language Discussion Group
>>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Rita Chapman
>>Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 1:42 PM
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: Re: Who has had an MRI?
>>
>>
>>Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>When I was first put in the machine, it felt very tight, I
>>>
>>asked to be
>>
>>>removed and took a few deep breaths and then I was fine.
>>>
>>Never again without
>>
>>>drugs.
>>>
>>
>>I can't believe you're afraid of an x-ray.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Not an x-ray at all. It does it with big magnets. It was a very confined
> space for about an hour. Check out
> http://health.yahoo.com/health/encyclopedia/003335/i1107.html
>
> for info.


        Ooooh.  Big, scary magnets.  I've had one.  Of my head.  I
had a hard time staying awake for the hour or so.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Rita Chapman
>Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 3:30 PM
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>
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>Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
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>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: English Language Discussion Group
>>>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Rita Chapman
>>>Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 1:42 PM
>>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>>Subject: Re: Who has had an MRI?
>>>
>>>
>>>Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>When I was first put in the machine, it felt very tight, I
>>>>
>>>asked to be
>>>
>>>>removed and took a few deep breaths and then I was fine.
>>>>
>>>Never again without
>>>
>>>>drugs.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I can't believe you're afraid of an x-ray.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Not an x-ray at all. It does it with big magnets. It was a
>very confined
>> space for about an hour. Check out
>> http://health.yahoo.com/health/encyclopedia/003335/i1107.html
>>
>> for info.
>
>
>        Ooooh.  Big, scary magnets.  I've had one.  Of my head.  I
>had a hard time staying awake for the hour or so.
>
>
>
>
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>
>

I was not scared of the magnets. I was not scared of the scan. I had to get
used the idea of being in a confined space for an hour. MRI's of the head
are usually easier then half of the spine. No movement of the table deeper
in the machine. With contrast, it might be 30-45 mins.


alec

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No, no!  That's Barry White and Pete Rose.


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Speaking of lasting legacies, it's just possible that I'll be interviewing
Peter Noone, aka, Herman of Herman's Hermits ("Mrs. Brown, you've got a
lovely daugher," "I'm 'Enery the eighth I am"). If any of you old tiger beat
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On Monday, August 11, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> Speaking of lasting legacies, it's just possible that I'll be interviewing
> Peter Noone, aka, Herman of Herman's Hermits ("Mrs. Brown, you've got a
> lovely daugher," "I'm 'Enery the eighth I am"). If any of you old tiger beat
> or sixteen readers have lingering unanswered questions, send'em on.....

OHMIGOD!

I had such a crush.

Karen

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>Who will be the Mendelssohn to Barry White?
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02003-08-11 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> No, no!  That's Barry White and Pete Rose.

Who will be the Mendelssohn to Barry White?


> >From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
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That's all well and good.  Do you have a question, or should I just give him
your email address?

>
>OHMIGOD!
>
>I had such a crush.
>
>Karen

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02003-08-11 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >>>When I was first put in the machine, it felt very tight, I
> >>>asked to be removed and took a few deep breaths and then I was
> >>>fine. Never again without drugs.
> >>
> >>I can't believe you're afraid of an x-ray.
> >
> >Not an x-ray at all. It does it with big magnets. It was a very
> >confined space for about an hour. Check out
> >http://health.yahoo.com/health/encyclopedia/003335/i1107.html
> >for info.
>
>
>        Ooooh.  Big, scary magnets.  I've had one.  Of my head.
> I had a hard time staying awake for the hour or so.

Hey Rita, the tower of Pisa's been reported missing. Could
you check YOUR ASS?

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Why not just give him instructions on how to subscribe.  I'm sure he
would enjoy it here :-)

Rita L.

Marty Rosen wrote:

> That's all well and good.  Do you have a question, or should I just
> give him
> your email address?
>
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02003-08-11 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> That's all well and good.  Do you have a question, or should I just give him
> your email address?

No need. Karen Kay is well known on the web.

Say hi from me ...

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02003-08-11 | Rita Leonard <leonard@BC.EDU> writes:
> Why not just give him instructions on how to subscribe.  I'm sure he
> would enjoy it here :-)

Nobody could enjoy daily posts saying "I LOVE YOU SWEET POLENTA"

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Someone has to be Wagner ...

> Ally Mcbeal.
>
> >Who will be the Mendelssohn to Barry White?
> >
> >> >I think I missed a large number of posts yesterday. Did we
> >> >finally agree that E B White, Barry Manilow and Charlie Rose
> >> >will leave the true American legacy?

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--- Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
> I think I missed a large number of posts yesterday.
> Did we
> finally agree that E B White, Barry Manilow and
> Charlie Rose
> will leave the true American legacy?

Imagine!  Betty White, Barry Fitzgerald and Rosemarie.


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At 04:30 PM 8/11/2003 -0400, Marty Rosen wrote:
>Speaking of lasting legacies, it's just possible that I'll be interviewing
>Peter Noone, aka, Herman of Herman's Hermits ("Mrs. Brown, you've got a
>lovely daugher," "I'm 'Enery the eighth I am"). If any of you old tiger beat
>or sixteen readers have lingering unanswered questions, send'em on.....

Well, there are always the egg-slot and acephalic chicken questions.  But
why don't you ask him who he thinks are USAn cultural icons?

cwv

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> --- Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
> > I think I missed a large number of posts yesterday.
> > Did we
> > finally agree that E B White, Barry Manilow and
> > Charlie Rose
> > will leave the true American legacy?
>
> Imagine!  Betty White, Barry Fitzgerald and Rosemarie.
>

Yes!

    - D. M.

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--- "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@GWI.NET> wrote:
> At 04:30 PM 8/11/2003 -0400, Marty Rosen wrote:
> >Speaking of lasting legacies, it's just possible
> that I'll be interviewing
> >Peter Noone, aka, Herman of Herman's Hermits ("Mrs.
> Brown, you've got a
> >lovely daugher," "I'm 'Enery the eighth I am"). If
> any of you old tiger beat
> >or sixteen readers have lingering unanswered
> questions, send'em on.....

Say "Hi" from Miss Kay and give him T.S.' e-mail address.

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--- Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
> Someone has to be Wagner ...

Norman Mailer.

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OK, what's a good dog shampoo?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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In a message dated 8/11/2003 12:29:50 PM Central Daylight Time, 
Dutchessg1@AOL.COM writes:
<<
Has the world really changed that much, or is it just this country?
>>

I don't know, Theo; Mom is babysitting my nephew for free, but my
brother charged her $7 for getting two containers of cat litter.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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On Monday, August 11, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-08-11 | Rita Leonard <leonard@BC.EDU> writes:
>> Why not just give him instructions on how to subscribe.  I'm sure he
>> would enjoy it here :-)

> Nobody could enjoy daily posts saying "I LOVE YOU SWEET POLENTA"

I bet My Sweet Polenta enjoys it.

Karen

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On Monday, August 11, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> That's all well and good.  Do you have a question, or should I just give him
> your email address?

Sorry, no questions. Doesn't he live in Santa Cruz now? He was all
over the BA when I lived there, so any lingering curiosity was
satisfied long ago.

But, yes, definitely give him my address.

Karen

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--- Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> wrote:
> OK, what's a good dog shampoo?
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> life:  music and cats."
> --Albert Schweitzer


Johnson's Baby Shampoo, no kidding.

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>
> I don't know, Theo; Mom is babysitting my nephew for
> free, but my
> brother charged her $7 for getting two containers of
> cat litter.


Couldn't some kind of trade be worked out?

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In a message dated 8/11/2003 4:50:47 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Johnson's Baby Shampoo, no kidding.

>>

Thanks!  I'll get some tomorrow.

Yes, we are keeping her.  I think there wasn't any family.
I'm not letting her go unless and until I am firmly convinced
that there is someone who will love and take care of her.

She prefers Sweetie's dry food to her own.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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In a message dated 8/11/2003 4:54:07 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Couldn't some kind of trade be worked out?

>>

It's always been like that.  They got him a TV when he
was 5.  He's the only son, and they've always bailed
him out when he needed it.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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Evelyn Duncan writes,

>She prefers Sweetie's dry food to her own.

The food is always better in the other bowl.  When we had two dogs with
dishes in separate rooms, they'd steal each other's food constantly.  The
alpha dog, a tiny Maltese, was brazen about it, while the other dog, a
black Lab, had to be very sneaky.  She'd walk by the dish, which was close
to the back door, and just pass her head over it, pretending she wasn't
opening her mouth.  Then she'd dash out the back door with her prize.

Dogs are nice folks.

Pete

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In a message dated 8/11/2003 5:13:42 PM Central Daylight Time, 
kaminski@ISTORI.COM writes:
<<
When we had two dogs with
dishes in separate rooms, they'd steal each other's food constantly.
>>

I wonder what would have happened if they had been fed together.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@pobox.com>
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There are three things I am completely bored with--first, the crap
described in http://www.catbirdseat.org/catbirdseat/bingo.html is
now out of control ... These people were merely morons before--
now actual creeps have started doing it.

The second thing I am bored with is software which advertizes
itself as "modular", further adding that that's what makes it
"reusable" and implying that that's unique to the software. It
is a sure sign that the software is hopelessly unusable. What's
with this epidemic of patting yourself on the back for passing
minimum requirements anyway?

I have forgotten the third thing.

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In a message dated 8/11/2003 12:09:07 PM Central Daylight Time, 
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<<
Where I come from, eye-rolling means "come hither".

>>

Or "What you have said is so incredibly lame that I can't
believe that even YOU said it."  There were plenty of times
that Erin, my manager at Sears, would say something that
would cause me to roll my eyes behind her back.  I had 
absolutely no respect for her; she's the only manager at
Sears that I had no respect for.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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life:  music and cats."
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02003-08-11 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 8/11/2003 12:09:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
> scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
> <<
> Where I come from, eye-rolling means "come hither".
>
> >>
>
> Or "What you have said is so incredibly lame that I can't
> believe that even YOU said it."

That's another interpretation.

>                                There were plenty of times
> that Erin, my manager at Sears, would say something that
> would cause me to roll my eyes behind her back.  I had
> absolutely no respect for her; she's the only manager at
> Sears that I had no respect for.

I was at Sears yesterday. My TV problem is solved, no thanks
to "Betty" etc.

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02003-08-11 | Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> writes:
> I have forgotten the third thing.

I remembered it. The phrase "DJ <foobar> Will be Spinning
All Night". A wave of nausea hits me when I see or hear
that. "Spinning DJs" SUCK ...

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It's not x-ray.

>===== Original Message From English Language Discussion Group
<WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU> =====
>Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>
>
>> When I was first put in the machine, it felt very tight, I asked to be
>> removed and took a few deep breaths and then I was fine. Never again
without
>> drugs.
>
>
>I can't believe you're afraid of an x-ray.
>
>
>
>
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita

Betty

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On Monday, August 11, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> "Spinning DJs" SUCK ...

Unless they are Sufis...

Karen

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It's dropped 20 degress in just over an hour.

Karen

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Is the white a brightBRIGHT white, or an off white?

(My memory from the WAP is that they are so white they almost look
fake, but I can't tell from the photos.)

Karen

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The Fed Ex guy dropped off the tickets this afternoon (consolidators
don't do e-tickets, I guess) - I'm leaving for Bangalore tomorrow via
Paris and Mumbai. I haven't been back there in August since forever.
Seems very weird. I always go back over Thanksgiving.

At least I'll be able to sit out some of the media fawning over Ahnuld...

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02003-08-11 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Monday, August 11, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > "Spinning DJs" SUCK ...
>
> Unless they are Sufis...

This is no time for Sufi-stry haaaaa ha ha ha ha ha shut up, "K-R-N".

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On Monday, August 11, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-08-11 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Monday, August 11, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > "Spinning DJs" SUCK ...
>>
>> Unless they are Sufis...

> This is no time for Sufi-stry haaaaa ha ha ha ha ha shut up, "K-R-N".

Takes one to know one haaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Karen

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-08-11 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>>>>When I was first put in the machine, it felt very tight, I
>>>>>asked to be removed and took a few deep breaths and then I was
>>>>>fine. Never again without drugs.
>>>>>
>>>>I can't believe you're afraid of an x-ray.
>>>>
>>>Not an x-ray at all. It does it with big magnets. It was a very
>>>confined space for about an hour. Check out
>>>http://health.yahoo.com/health/encyclopedia/003335/i1107.html
>>>for info.
>>>
>>
>>       Ooooh.  Big, scary magnets.  I've had one.  Of my head.
>>I had a hard time staying awake for the hour or so.
>>
>
> Hey Rita, the tower of Pisa's been reported missing. Could
> you check YOUR ASS?


        Only if you kiss it first, sweetheart.



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On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 22:06:35 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>On Sunday, August 10, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>> Thanks, Karen.  Mystery solved.  Daylilies wasn't bringing
>> anything up on google, but rain lilies did.  We've had a
>> bunch of rain lately, so that would explain their sudden
>> appearance.  I've never seen them before, but it's been
>> pretty dry every summer since we moved to Missouri.
>
>They really are neat--I love they way they spring forth fully formed.
>I only have a few, but they do self-propagate. (Or you can buy more at
>a nursery.)
>
>I did a search on daylilies no-foliage and found stuff about cutting
>daylily foliage back; I think all daylilies have foliage. And then I
>thought, duh. Rain lilies are the only flowers I know that spring up
>like that.
>
>Karen

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 8/11/2003 4:50:47 PM Central Daylight Time,
> lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
> <<
> Johnson's Baby Shampoo, no kidding.
>
>
>
> Thanks!  I'll get some tomorrow.


        Any shampoo is fine.  I assume you don't want the very best,
which is called Duurstede, is about $20/bottle, and has to
be special ordered.



> She prefers Sweetie's dry food to her own.


Cat food is bad for her health.  It is too high in protein
for her.  Also, you may want to note that some cat treats
can be fatal to puppies -- I seem to remember Pounce in
particular being a problem.




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In a message dated 8/11/2003 7:22:26 PM Central Daylight Time, 
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
<<
Also, you may want to note that some cat treats
can be fatal to puppies -- I seem to remember Pounce in
particular being a problem.

>>

That's no problem:  Sweetie hates cat treats.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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>        Ooooh.  Big, scary magnets.  I've had one.  Of my head.  I
>had a hard time staying awake for the hour or so.
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

Why is it important to stay awake??


bonnie

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I took 100+ pictures on this trip, but I don't think y'all really want
to see all the tombstones and the reuniting 5th and 6th cousins.  Here
are a few pictures:

http://maynor.net/Temp/Pics/

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PS:  The server is going to be down at some point for a few hours for
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bonniev wrote:

>>        Ooooh.  Big, scary magnets.  I've had one.  Of my head.  I
>> had a hard time staying awake for the hour or so.
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
>
> Why is it important to stay awake??


        Because you're not supposed to move.




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Karen Kay wrote:


> I did a search on daylilies no-foliage and found stuff about cutting
> daylily foliage back; I think all daylilies have foliage. And then I
> thought, duh. Rain lilies are the only flowers I know that spring up
> like that.


        I have some sort of vine growing wild on the back fence.  It
smells wonderful and is attracting herds of butterflies.
I've also got several hummingbirds that Ana and I watch
every afternoon.  Even my roses, which were eaten up by
black spot while we were away, are coming back.  We are
having a sweet summer.




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Marty Rosen wrote:

> Speaking of lasting legacies, it's just possible that I'll be interviewing
> Peter Noone, aka, Herman of Herman's Hermits ("Mrs. Brown, you've got a
> lovely daugher," "I'm 'Enery the eighth I am"). If any of you old tiger
> beat
> or sixteen readers have lingering unanswered questions, send'em on.....



        You wouldn't have an interview with Uncle Kracker coming up
would you?  I dig him.




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> She prefers Sweetie's dry food to her own.

Most dogs do, it's higher in protein, and I think it
tastes better, but I haven't put it to the test.


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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Is the white a brightBRIGHT white, or an off white?

Hmm.  I don't see zebras as often as I did when I was running back and
forth to Huntsville all the time, but I did take that route back from
Acadiafest and am pretty sure I glanced over at the zebras (who live in
a large fenced area near the highway in West Point -- along with
wildebeests).  My not-to-be-totally-trusted memory on the subject is
that they aren't brightBRIGHT -- as in they're not really like hospital
sheets or like the kind of white that almost seems blue.  But they're
only slightly off-white -- not off-off.  They're pretty white.  The next
time I need to go to Tupelo, I'll make a point to look carefully when
passing through WP -- though the zebras are sometimes in their house.

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Bon voyage!

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> I was at Sears yesterday. My TV problem is solved,
> no thanks
> to "Betty" etc.

Please tell what you wound up getting - that is, of
those appliaances, electronic gadgets, or wanna-haves
you listed for public consumption.


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--- Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
> 02003-08-11 | Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> writes:
> > I have forgotten the third thing.
>
> I remembered it. The phrase "DJ <foobar> Will be
> Spinning
> All Night". A wave of nausea hits me when I see or
> hear
> that. "Spinning DJs" SUCK ...

It's an amusing "imagine" picture, though.


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The home inspection was scheduled for 2 p.m. today (Or was it tomorrow?
Or was it 1:00?) My agent is out of town. I went to HH a bit before 2 to
meet the listing agent and the inspector. Neither showed up. I called the
listing agent - she told me the inspection was scheduled for tomorrow. I
went back to my office. Soon my agent called - the inspector had just
called her to apologize for not showing up today - at 1:00.

So - we'll all try again tomorrow - at 2:00.

I was disappointed - I really wanted to see my condo again. Mayybe I will
remember the camera tomorrow.

Bethany

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Coltsfoot

Speaking of footed flora, my duck's foot is going hog-wild.  We
obviously had rain while I was out of town, since nothing looked thirsty
upon my return.  But what I was really amazed at was the duck's foot.  I
don't even know whether it's an annual or a perennial.  If the latter, I
plan to plant some of it in various places.  I love its color and
shape.  My current duck's foot is in a cooler-pretending-to-be-planter,
where some not-very-successful tomato plants were earlier this summer.

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 She'd walk by the
> dish, which was close
> to the back door, and just pass her head over it,
> pretending she wasn't
> opening her mouth.  Then she'd dash out the back
> door with her prize.

I've witnessed this behavior many times, and I always
laugh out loud.
>
> Dogs are nice folks.
>
> Pete


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Karen Kay writes,

>Is the white a brightBRIGHT white, or an off white?

Hmm, on Saturday I saw stuffed ones at the California Academy of Sciences,
and beautiful carousel ones at the Herschell-Spillman carousel in Golden
Gate Park.

Unfortunately, I wasn't paying close attention to their color (and the
light wasn't great anyway), but I'd say more white than off-white.

One of the carousel zebras had very pretty red stripes instead of black. :)

Pete

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--- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> It's dropped 20 degress in just over an hour.
>
> Karen


What happened? No tornadoes, I hope.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> The home inspection was scheduled for 2 p.m. today (Or was it tomorrow?
> Or was it 1:00?) My agent is out of town. I went to HH a bit before 2 to
> meet the listing agent and the inspector. Neither showed up. I called the
> listing agent - she told me the inspection was scheduled for tomorrow. I
> went back to my office. Soon my agent called - the inspector had just
> called her to apologize for not showing up today - at 1:00.
>
> So - we'll all try again tomorrow - at 2:00.
>
> I was disappointed - I really wanted to see my condo again. Mayybe I will
> remember the camera tomorrow.

I have just resumed reading mail and thus saw this.  I'm not quite sure
why my attention was alerted, though.  Because I enjoy real-estate
matters?   I do indeed.  But I don't know much about home inspections,
having never been involved in one.  And I'm not sure why you can't go
see your condo pretty much whenever you want to.

--
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> future if I succeed with the medication, but I do prefer to live in my own
> home. I had presumed that that isn't too hard to understand. But
> I guess I was wrong.
> Theo

Preferring to live in your own home and being able to do so safely are two
different things. Are you telling us the full story here? How'd you break
your leg? Does your daughter want you to go into a nursing home? Is that why
she's not going to help you, as in, "Fine, do what you want, but I'm not
going to help"? Or is it something else?

--Adam, being nosy
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Lynne Weber quoted:

> > Dogs are nice folks.
> >
> > Pete

Indeed.  Spencer, btw, seemed to have another good Furrbabies stay.  I'm
feeling quite comfortable again about Fbabies.

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--- Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:
> I took 100+ pictures on this trip, but I don't think
> y'all really want
> to see all the tombstones and the reuniting 5th and
> 6th cousins.  Here
> are a few pictures:

> http://maynor.net/Temp/Pics/

The floor plan at ARTSPACE is interesting.  Good
photos.

Did you know there is a rather infamous murder case
associated with Newberry?  Involving, believe it or
not, the son of an Episcopalian bishop, I believe.


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> Speaking of footed flora, my duck's foot is going
> hog-wild.  We
> obviously had rain while I was out of town, since
> nothing looked thirsty
> upon my return.  But what I was really amazed at was
> the duck's foot.  I
> don't even know whether it's an annual or a
> perennial.  If the latter, I
> plan to plant some of it in various places.  I love
> its color and
> shape.  My current duck's foot is in a
> cooler-pretending-to-be-planter,
> where some not-very-successful tomato plants were
> earlier this summer.

Was your cooler arrangement with the cheeses
succesful?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


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02003-08-11 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > I can see that my "free" days are going to be extremely
> > busy. I thought I'd be able to amble around in museums
> > etc, doing nothing.
>
> It's amazing what they put in museums these days.
> Maybe you can kill two birds...

I am officially worried about your imagination, and
your unfamiliarity with the evocative metaphor. Please
unsub.

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> Did you know there is a rather infamous murder case
> associated with Newberry?  Involving, believe it or
> not, the son of an Episcopalian bishop, I believe.

No, I didn't.  What era?  Maybe some of my ancestors were involved,
though I think they were all Lutherans.  But then maybe one of them
murdered the son of the Episcopal bishop -- but your "believe it or not"
makes me think the bishop's son was the perp, not the victim.  (Some of
my ancestors were or became Methodists.  There's a Methodist church in
Newberry named for one of them.)

Did we ever decide what the definition of "ancestors" is?  I remember
that this was discussed a while back, but I don't remember our
resolution of the matter.  I know that people like my ggggg-grandparents
are my ancestors.  But what about my ggg-grandfather's brother?  Would
he be an ancestor?  If not, is there another label that would apply?
Long-dead cousin perhaps?

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02003-08-11 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > I was at Sears yesterday. My TV problem is solved,
> > no thanks to "Betty" etc.
>
> Please tell what you wound up getting - that is, of
> those appliaances, electronic gadgets, or wanna-haves
> you listed for public consumption.

I haven't bought anything, since I want to put some
furniture in before getting these appliance-things ...
but I figured I can manage a pretty shiny-looking flat
screen TV.

I can see that my "free" days are going to be extremely
busy. I thought I'd be able to amble around in museums
etc, doing nothing.

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> I can see that my "free" days are going to be
> extremely
> busy. I thought I'd be able to amble around in
> museums
> etc, doing nothing.

It's amazing what they put in museums these days.
Maybe you can kill two birds...


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Isn't there a Celtic - Gaelic - Irish, anyway, word
for a supernatural horse?  An "s" word, perhaps?

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02003-08-11 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> Isn't there a Celtic - Gaelic - Irish, anyway, word
> for a supernatural horse?  An "s" word, perhaps?

Cobpony.

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On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I have just resumed reading mail and thus saw this.  I'm not quite sure
>why my attention was alerted, though.  Because I enjoy real-estate
>matters?   I do indeed.  But I don't know much about home inspections,
>having never been involved in one.

I know. That's why I will tell you about mine.

And I'm not sure why you  can't go >see your condo pretty much whenever
you want to.

There is in TN a little formality called a closing that has to occur
first.

Bethany

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> Was your cooler arrangement with the cheeses
> succesful?

Yes.  That was not this trip.  I didn't take any cheeses on this trip.
But it worked quite well on the two previous trips -- to Acadiafest and
then the weekend trip to South Mississippi.  It worked for Acadiafest
because I stayed with friends a couple of nights along the way, enabling
me to refreeze the ice bags in their freezers.  It worked for the
weekend trip because weekends are short -- the cooler stayed reasonably
cool from when I put the reusable ice it it on Friday morning until my
<presentation> of the cheese on Sunday.  It wouldn't have worked on this
trip -- except that, now that I think about it, a couple of different
Days Inns I stayed in had little refrigerators in the rooms.  I don't
think they had much freezer room, though, if any at all.

--
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> I am officially worried about your imagination, and
> your unfamiliarity with the evocative metaphor.
> Please
> unsub.

But that's why I subbed in the first place, so that
you and your fellows could participate in remedying my
illiteracy.  It's a masochistic way to get an
education, I must admit.


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--- Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
> 02003-08-11 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
> writes:
> > Isn't there a Celtic - Gaelic - Irish, anyway,
> word
> > for a supernatural horse?  An "s" word, perhaps?
>
> Cobpony.

Neigh.


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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> And I'm not sure why you  can't go >see your condo pretty much whenever
> you want to.
>
> There is in TN a little formality called a closing that has to occur
> first.

How unfriendly.  I assume that closings occur in all states, but they
aren't always so <unfriendly>.  The seller of this house offered me a
key months before the closing in case I wanted to come over and look at
stuff when he wasn't here to let me in.

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Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> Isn't there a Celtic - Gaelic - Irish, anyway, word
> for a supernatural horse?  An "s" word, perhaps?

Sainglenn?

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> Did we ever decide what the definition of
> "ancestors" is?  I remember
> that this was discussed a while back, but I don't
> remember our
> resolution of the matter.  I know that people like
> my ggggg-grandparents
> are my ancestors.  But what about my
> ggg-grandfather's brother?  Would
> he be an ancestor?  If not, is there another label
> that would apply?
> Long-dead cousin perhaps?

I somehow have always thought of "ancestors" as having
been in a direct line, i.e., as you say,
ggggg-grandparents. At what point in the language did
antecedents evolve from grand-parents, to great-grand
parents?  Why not grand-grandparents?  I am asking
because I am truly curious.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


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On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> There is in TN a little formality called a closing that has to occur
>> first.
>
>How unfriendly.  I assume that closings occur in all states, but they
>aren't always so <unfriendly>.  The seller of this house offered me a
>key months before the closing in case I wanted to come over and look at
>stuff when he wasn't here to let me in.

Natalie, you crack me up. But I just remembered  - not only do you not
have your houses inspected, you also do not use agents. A realty
company agent who handed me a key to someone else's property weeks or
months before I closed on it could be liable for a great deal of money.

Bethany

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That depends.  Do you have a crush?


>From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
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>
>Marty Rosen wrote:
>
>>Speaking of lasting legacies, it's just possible that I'll be interviewing
>>Peter Noone, aka, Herman of Herman's Hermits ("Mrs. Brown, you've got a
>>lovely daugher," "I'm 'Enery the eighth I am"). If any of you old tiger
>>beat
>>or sixteen readers have lingering unanswered questions, send'em on.....
>
>
>
>        You wouldn't have an interview with Uncle Kracker coming up
>would you?  I dig him.
>
>
>
>
>--
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In a message dated 8/11/2003 7:16:06 PM, lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:

>Dogs are nice folks.

love 'em
Theo

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Evelyn Duncan writes,

>I wonder what would have happened if they had been fed together.

We had that configuration at some point, too, and I think they stole much
less from each other -- it didn't seem so illicit. :)

Pete

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On Monday, August 11, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 22:06:35 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>>On Sunday, August 10, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>> Thanks, Karen.  Mystery solved.  Daylilies wasn't bringing
>>> anything up on google, but rain lilies did.  We've had a
>>> bunch of rain lately, so that would explain their sudden
>>> appearance.  I've never seen them before, but it's been
>>> pretty dry every summer since we moved to Missouri.
>>
>>They really are neat--I love they way they spring forth fully formed.
>>I only have a few, but they do self-propagate. (Or you can buy more at
>>a nursery.)
>>
>>I did a search on daylilies no-foliage and found stuff about cutting
>>daylily foliage back; I think all daylilies have foliage. And then I
>>thought, duh. Rain lilies are the only flowers I know that spring up
>>like that.
>>
>>Karen

> Coltsfoot

?

Karen

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On Monday, August 11, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> --- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
>> It's dropped 20 degress in just over an hour.
>>
>> Karen


> What happened? No tornadoes, I hope.

Ha ha. Yes. One went right down my street.

Karen

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16:30 11.08.2003 -0400 skrev Marty Rosen:
>Speaking of lasting legacies, it's just possible that I'll be interviewing
>Peter Noone, aka, Herman of Herman's Hermits ("Mrs. Brown, you've got a
>lovely daugher," "I'm 'Enery the eighth I am"). If any of you old tiger beat
>or sixteen readers have lingering unanswered questions, send'em on.....

The first pop concert I ever was at was when Heman's Hermits visited Oslo sometime around 1966.

Espen

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16:09 11.08.2003 -0500 skrev Tushar Samant:
>Someone has to be Wagner ...
>
>> Ally Mcbeal.
>>
>> >Who will be the Mendelssohn to Barry White?
>> >

And then someone has to be the mad King Ludwig.

Espen

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On Monday, August 11, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> The next
> time I need to go to Tupelo, I'll make a point to look carefully when
> passing through WP -- though the zebras are sometimes in their house.

It'll be too late. Thanks, anyway.

Karen

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On Monday, August 11, 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Unfortunately, I wasn't paying close attention to their color (and the
> light wasn't great anyway), but I'd say more white than off-white.

Do stuffed ones count? Don't they yellow over time?

> One of the carousel zebras had very pretty red stripes instead of black. :)

Er, thanks... I'll consider that. (This started out as a project to
used up black and white yarn--though I've realized that I need more
white than I probably have, thus the inquiry into the right color
white. Obssessing over the exact zebra stripes is my own twist on the
subject.)

Karen

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Happy Birthday, My Sweet Polenta!

Karen

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-08-10 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
= > "Am I the only meeber who checks books out of libraries?"
= >
= > This assumes you think you are, in other words that the answer is
= > yes.
=
= I find this an absurdly arrogant deduction.

whatever.  I jsut ignored it the first time, but Karen seemed so
insistent on proving her point I thought I would help a little.

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> I somehow have always thought of "ancestors" as having
> been in a direct line, i.e., as you say,
> ggggg-grandparents.

I think that's probably right -- that the siblings of those ancestors
aren't one's ancestors.  But surely there must be a term for them.

> At what point in the language did
> antecedents evolve from grand-parents, to great-grand
> parents?  Why not grand-grandparents?  I am asking
> because I am truly curious.

Good question.  I just googled for the etymology but ended up reading
about kinship terms in Western Yugur (in which great-grandfather is
"thethe awaka") --
http://home.arcor.de/marcmarti/yugur/language/kinship.htm

This isn't turning about to be an efficient googling morning.  When I
googled for the definition of ancestor, I found that it was "a parent of
a node in a tree" -- http://www.nist.gov/dads/HTML/ancestor.html

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Natalie, you crack me up. But I just remembered  - not only do you not
> have your houses inspected, you also do not use agents.

??  Whether an agent is involved is up to the seller.  This is the only
house I've ever bought that didn't involve a real-estate agent.  That
was because the seller chose not to use one.

> A realty
> company agent who handed me a key to someone else's property weeks or
> months before I closed on it could be liable for a great deal of money.

In my experiences it's the sellers who do it, not the real-estate
people.  Actually, I'm thinking that the real-estate people have upon
occasion also, assuming that the sellers have vacated the property.  But
my memories of that are fuzzy.  Certainly I've done various things to
houses before owning them.  I'm smiling at the memory now of my horror
that the fence-builder for my previous house was drilling in concrete at
7 a.m. right outside the window of the current residents.  I told them
(the sellers) that I was horrified, but they thought it was funny --
they assured me that they weren't late sleepers and hadn't minded.
(That was outdoors, not indoors, of course, but it popped into my head
because of being an example of doing things to houses you don't own
yet.)

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > The next
> > time I need to go to Tupelo, I'll make a point to look carefully when
> > passing through WP -- though the zebras are sometimes in their house.
>
> It'll be too late. Thanks, anyway.

But it can help you know whether you made the right decision.  Perhaps
you should give me the zebra socks and let me take them to West Point
and hold them up beside a zebra.  I don't know how close to the fence
the zebras get, though.  I also have never been quite sure why they're
living there.  They showed up around the time a big store named
something like Mossy Oaks appeared.  Their <pasture> is next door to
that store.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Do stuffed ones count? Don't they yellow over time?

I had been thinking about the yellowing over time in relation to real
zebras.  Not really yellowing exactly, but wouldn't the stripes be
whiter on a clean zebra than on a dirty zebra?  Do zebras take baths
often?  I've heard they're quite mean.  I don't think I would want to be
a zebra-bather.

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>The first pop concert I ever was at was when Heman's Hermits visited Oslo
>sometime around 1966.
>Espen

My very first pop concert, quite shortly after I left the convent, was a
Herman's Hermits visit to Madison, Wisconsin.  All I remember about it was
that the warm-up band's drummer lost his stick.  I think the concert was
held in an old movie theatre.  Very small stage.


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        No, but I could come up with one if he got rid of the soul patch.


Marty Rosen wrote:

> That depends.  Do you have a crush?
>
>
>> From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
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>> Marty Rosen wrote:
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>>> Speaking of lasting legacies, it's just possible that I'll be
>>> interviewing
>>> Peter Noone, aka, Herman of Herman's Hermits ("Mrs. Brown, you've got a
>>> lovely daugher," "I'm 'Enery the eighth I am"). If any of you old tiger
>>> beat
>>> or sixteen readers have lingering unanswered questions, send'em on.....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>        You wouldn't have an interview with Uncle Kracker coming up
>> would you?  I dig him.
>>
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>>
>>
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At 09:23 PM 8/11/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>   It worked for Acadiafest...

Certainly did.  We are still enjoying it.

cwv

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> And then someone has to be the mad King Ludwig.
>
> Espen

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-> > One of the carousel zebras had very pretty red
> stripes instead of black. :)

That was a barber's zebra, anyway.


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I sit with 3 minutes of a movie which we have received from some archive for a historical web site (celebrating (in Norway) or marking (in Sweden) the split between the two countries in 1905. But instead of an .mpg or a quicktime movie we have received something which is, I am sure, of higher quality but which we cannot use on the web: a set of files:

VIDEO_TS.BUP
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VTS_01_0.BUP
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VTS_01_0.VOB

I have found one tool on the web with a trial period of 15 days: "DVD Cutter Stream and  Mp3CDWav Converter" But i am not quite sure that this does what I wish. I have managed to make two files: one AVI (which QuickTime says it can't handle but Windows Mediaplayer does) and one wav-soundfile. But I wish to just make one single vide with sound file out of this, and preferably I would like to test a free version of the software before I pay anything. Anybody have any suggestions?

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>??  Whether an agent is involved is up to the seller.  This is the only
>house I've ever bought that didn't involve a real-estate agent.  That
>was because the seller chose not to use one.

Actually, it is up to the seller AND the buyer. I am the one who chose to
work through my agent.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >??  Whether an agent is involved is up to the seller.  This is the only
> >house I've ever bought that didn't involve a real-estate agent.  That
> >was because the seller chose not to use one.
>
> Actually, it is up to the seller AND the buyer. I am the one who chose to
> work through my agent.

No, the buyer has no control at all over whether the house can be bought
without an agent.  If the seller has listed it with an agent, it has to
be sold that way, unless the seller has a clause in the contract with
the agent allowing him/her to sell it directly -- and my experience has
been that most contracts do not allow that.  The only way the buyer
could legally buy it with no agent involved would be by waiting until
the seller's contract with the real-estate company expired.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Espen Ore writes,

>I have managed to make two files: one AVI (which QuickTime says it can't
>handle but Windows Mediaplayer does) and one wav-soundfile.

You might try VirtualDub <http://www.virtualdub.org/>, which can read AVI
and incorporate a WAV file.

There is also a modified version, VirtualDub-MPEG2
<http://fcchandler.home.comcast.net/>, which reads certain VOB files directly.

If you want to get back to MPG, there's TMPGEnc.  All of these are freeware.

Pete

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Karen Kay writes,

>Do stuffed ones count? Don't they yellow over time?

Dunno. :)

I saw zebras on the Animal Planet channel with Gwynnie last night,
too.  Definitely more white than off-white.

Pete

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02003-08-12 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant:
> = 02003-08-10 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> = > "Am I the only meeber who checks books out of libraries?"
> = >
> = > This assumes you think you are, in other words that the answer is
> = > yes.
> =
> = I find this an absurdly arrogant deduction.
>
> whatever.  I jsut ignored it the first time, but Karen seemed so
> insistent on proving her point I thought I would help a little.

Too late. Thanks, anyway.

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Actually, it is up to the seller AND the buyer. I am the one who chose to
>> work through my agent.
>
>No, the buyer has no control at all over whether the house can be bought
>without an agent.  If the seller has listed it with an agent, it has to

But the buyer has total control over whether she buys through an agent.

Bethany

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On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> I saw zebras on the Animal Planet channel with Gwynnie last night,
> too.  Definitely more white than off-white.

Okay, that's good enough for me!

I saw nothing last night, except darkness.:) Luckily, I had a book on
mp3 I could listen to. Burl needed to go out at one point, and
insisted on going out the back door for some reason. I've never seen a
cat leap that far--it's about 8 ft to the grass, and I think she only
touched down once.

I am extremely grateful that my house is intact. The fence that fell
down can probably be nailed or screwed back up.

Karen

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http://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/www/Info/condiments.html

"Table of Condiments That Periodically Go Bad"

Karen

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@pobox.com>
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I think I have located the most loathsome site on the web...

http://www.caesar-salad.com/

Does this induce a biological nausea in you? It does in me:

  For purists, caesar salads are made from simple, fresh
  ingredients, and contain fresh garlic (used to flavor the
  oil), cold, dried heart of romaine leaves, fresh ground
  pepper, a dash of salt, imported olive oil, fresh lemon
  juice, Worcestershire sauce (where the anchovy flavor
  came from), homemade croutons and Parmesan cheese.

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At 11:53 AM 8/12/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>http://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/www/Info/condiments.html
>
>"Table of Condiments That Periodically Go Bad"

Their version of green salsa must have a preservative in it---the stuff I
make is good for about two weeks.

cwv

There is more simplicity in the man who eats caviar on impulse than in the
man who eats Grapenuts on principle.

--G.K. Chesterton

(a quote now on the board at Mache)

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> Does this induce a biological nausea in you? It does
> in me:

I don't find this more nauseating than many other
dishes - Hamburger Helper, for example.

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You may have found the most loathsome personal site, but the horrors
perpetrated by corporate America rise to a wholly different level.
Consider, for instance:  http://www.ravioliroller.com/contest.html


>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
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>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:32:31 -0500
>
>I think I have located the most loathsome site on the web...
>
>http://www.caesar-salad.com/
>
>Does this induce a biological nausea in you? It does in me:
>
>   For purists, caesar salads are made from simple, fresh
>   ingredients, and contain fresh garlic (used to flavor the
>   oil), cold, dried heart of romaine leaves, fresh ground
>   pepper, a dash of salt, imported olive oil, fresh lemon
>   juice, Worcestershire sauce (where the anchovy flavor
>   came from), homemade croutons and Parmesan cheese.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> I think I have located the most loathsome site on the web...
>
> http://www.caesar-salad.com/
>
> Does this induce a biological nausea in you? It does in me:
>
>   For purists, caesar salads are made from simple, fresh
>   ingredients, and contain fresh garlic (used to flavor the
>   oil), cold, dried heart of romaine leaves, fresh ground
>   pepper, a dash of salt, imported olive oil, fresh lemon
>   juice, Worcestershire sauce (where the anchovy flavor
>   came from), homemade croutons and Parmesan cheese.


I see your nausea and raise you my morning:

As it is overcast, I opened up all the windows in the house,
stuck my Unkle Kracker CD in the player, and cranked it up
really, really loud while I washed and waxed my truck
(except for the back bumper, which is sort of hanging off
now).  While I'm happily waxing, one of the speakers on the
CD player quits, and the hip hop cut with the parental
advisory material in it comes up -- and because of the way
the song is mixed, all of the lyrics are inaudible except
for the words "shit," "ass," and "fuck," which come out loud
and clear over the working speaker.  My neighbor in the
back, a first grade catholic school teacher, gives me a look
of disgust and goes in the house.  I found this
metaphorically evocative of my meaningless middle class life.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Bethany K. Dumas writes,

>No, Peter - I have phrased my question as a question. No syntactic theory
>I am familiar will dispute that.

I apologize for bringing this dead bird back, but I had to Google
"assumptive questioning" today just to see what I found.  There are a few
interesting uses, but nothing generalized.

OTOH, I don't know if you're familiar with the legal profession, but they
have a name for the tactic.  From, e.g., dictionary.law.com, "leading the
witness.  n. asking a question during a trial or deposition which puts
words in the mouth of the witness or suggests the answer..."

Assumptive: Am I the only one who excels at missing the point?
Neutral: How many of us excel at missing the point?

Pete

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02003-08-12 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> You may have found the most loathsome personal site, but the horrors
> perpetrated by corporate America rise to a wholly different level.
> Consider, for instance:  http://www.ravioliroller.com/contest.html

Those are known horrors. The horrors of repeating "simple fresh
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02003-08-12 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> I see your nausea and raise you my morning:
>
> As it is overcast, I opened up all the windows in the house,
> stuck my Unkle Kracker CD in the player, and cranked it up
> really, really loud while I washed and waxed my truck
> (except for the back bumper, which is sort of hanging off
> now).  While I'm happily waxing, one of the speakers on the
> CD player quits, and the hip hop cut with the parental
> advisory material in it comes up -- and because of the way
> the song is mixed, all of the lyrics are inaudible except
> for the words "shit," "ass," and "fuck," which come out loud
> and clear over the working speaker.  My neighbor in the
> back, a first grade catholic school teacher, gives me a look
> of disgust and goes in the house.  I found this
> metaphorically evocative of my meaningless middle class life.

You don't like waxing trucks? People would kill for this kind
of life ... I know a ch*k who is pissed at her Cr**tian parents
for not giving her a normal childhood like this.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >No, the buyer has no control at all over whether the house can be bought
> >without an agent.  If the seller has listed it with an agent, it has to
>
> But the buyer has total control over whether she buys through an agent.

Obviously (though my only knowledge of buyers' agents is from Words-L --
haven't known anybody in my daily ftf life who has ever used one).  The
point we were discussing, however, was buying houses without the
involvement of real-estate agents, and I said that this is the only
house I've ever bought that way -- since it wasn't listed with an
agent.  I was sorry at the time that it wasn't listed with an agent
since I thought it would be a hassle without one.  But it turned out not
to be.  It was quite simple.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> http://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/www/Info/condiments.html

Thank you!  I see that it says 5-6 months for chutney.  I fear I've been
overextending the life of mine.  Maybe I'll spring for some new chutney
the next time I make chutneyed party food.

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The Peter Noone interview is on for tomorrow at, of course, noon.  This one
should rate right up there with my interviews of Pat Schroeder, Dennis
Kucinich, and Doug Hofstadter.

Likely questions at this point (most drawn from mid-sixties teenbeat
magazine interviews; sequence yet to be tweaked)

1. What do you look for in a girl?
2. Do you believe in telling a girl you really like her as soon as you know
it?
3. In 1966 you were dubbed one of London's Ten Best Dressed Men by Tailor
and Cutter Magazine.  Are you still a dapper dan?
4.  Are you a candidate for governor of California?  If not, which candidate
are you supporting?
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blond affected your career?
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7. Was there an actual Mrs. Brown?
8. How do you feel about caesar salad?
9.  In 1966 you said that you planned to invest your money in a chain of
launderettes.  Did you?  How did they do?  (or Why not?)

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From: Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU>
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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 01:57:35 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>On Monday, August 11, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 22:06:35 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
wrote:
>
>>>On Sunday, August 10, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>>> Thanks, Karen.  Mystery solved.  Daylilies wasn't bringing
>>>> anything up on google, but rain lilies did.  We've had a
>>>> bunch of rain lately, so that would explain their sudden
>>>> appearance.  I've never seen them before, but it's been
>>>> pretty dry every summer since we moved to Missouri.
>>>
>>>They really are neat--I love they way they spring forth fully formed.
>>>I only have a few, but they do self-propagate. (Or you can buy more at
>>>a nursery.)
>>>
>>>I did a search on daylilies no-foliage and found stuff about cutting
>>>daylily foliage back; I think all daylilies have foliage. And then I
>>>thought, duh. Rain lilies are the only flowers I know that spring up
>>>like that.
>>>
>>>Karen
>
>> Coltsfoot
>
>?
>Karen

More words?
Coltsfoot flowers come up early in spring, and their leaves (hoof-shaped)
come up later, after the flower has bloomed.

clo

PS I am so glad that you made it through the night ok and that you are back
online!

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Guess what's all over the computers all over the campus?

Did I mention that my old flame in Seattle works in the belly of the beast?
Guess which division?

This is looots of fun!


clo

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> Guess what's all over the computers all over the campus?

A computer person was wandering around campus this morning asking
departments if they'd suddenly been bumped from the campus net with some
sort of message -- something about a virus.  Actually, I guess lots of
computer people were doing that wandering.  The one in our building was
the one whose departments include English.  Anyway, he said something
about a virus racing around on the campus net or something like that.

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When/why/how did American Indians acquire surnames?
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02003-08-12 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> The Peter Noone interview is on for tomorrow at, of course, noon.  This one
> should rate right up there with my interviews of Pat Schroeder, Dennis
> Kucinich, and Doug Hofstadter.
>
> Likely questions at this point (most drawn from mid-sixties teenbeat
> magazine interviews; sequence yet to be tweaked)
>
> 1. What do you look for in a girl?
> 2. Do you believe in telling a girl you really like her as soon as you know
> it?
> 3. In 1966 you were dubbed one of London's Ten Best Dressed Men by Tailor
> and Cutter Magazine.  Are you still a dapper dan?
> 4.  Are you a candidate for governor of California?  If not, which candidate
> are you supporting?
> 5.  You were one of the few blond rockers of the mid-sixties.  Has being
> blond affected your career?
> 6. What is the lasting cultural legacy of the British invasion?
> 7. Was there an actual Mrs. Brown?
> 8. How do you feel about caesar salad?
> 9.  In 1966 you said that you planned to invest your money in a chain of
> launderettes.  Did you?  How did they do?  (or Why not?)

The interview should be published for free on this service.
Otherwise, lawsuits will follow ...

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Obviously (though my only knowledge of buyers' agents is from Words-L --
>haven't known anybody in my daily ftf life who has ever used one).  The
>point we were discussing, however, was buying houses without the
>involvement of real-estate agents, and I said that this is the only
>house I've ever bought that way -- since it wasn't listed with an
>agent.  I was sorry at the time that it wasn't listed with an agent
>since I thought it would be a hassle without one.  But it turned out not
>to be.  It was quite simple.

Good. We have now completed the inspection - there are a couple of minor
things to be taken care of and they will be taken care of immediately.

I spent about an hour with the listing agent and I learned more about the
circumstances that allowed me to buy at such a low price. The owners are
quite wealthy - and do not live in Knoxville - and they finally just got
tired of paying $8000 or so a year in fees for a residence they never
used (it has been vacant 2 years). My offer was right in line with their
mood, for they had previous decided that they would sell at $140,000. At
one point, they thought I was offering only $134,000.

They are leaving all draperies & accessories, some bedspreads, maybe a few
pieces of furniture and some prints/paintings.

I will use the refrigerator that is there - it is more elegant than mine
(separate freezer compartment, outside ice/water dispenser, etc.). I will
try to trade mine to Kyle for the last month's rent. But I will probably
donate the w/d and move my stack unit in.

Next: the appraisal.

Bethany

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Natch, man!  You're the grooviest!

>
>The interview should be published for free on this service.
>Otherwise, lawsuits will follow ...

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Now, if I can just figure out some way to turn these kindred reports into
some sort of QUESTION, dammit.....

>>The first pop concert I ever was at was when Heman's Hermits visited Oslo
>>sometime around 1966.
>>Espen
>
>My very first pop concert, quite shortly after I left the convent, was a
>Herman's Hermits visit to Madison, Wisconsin.  All I remember about it was
>that the warm-up band's drummer lost his stick.  I think the concert was
>held in an old movie theatre.  Very small stage.
bonnie

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How about an assumptive question like "Peter, would it surprise you to
know that people still recall that their first concert experience was a
Herman's Hermits concert?"

Rita L.

Marty Rosen wrote:

> Now, if I can just figure out some way to turn these kindred reports into
> some sort of QUESTION, dammit.....
>
>>> The first pop concert I ever was at was when Heman's Hermits visited
>>> Oslo
>>> sometime around 1966.
>>> Espen
>>
>>
>> My very first pop concert, quite shortly after I left the convent, was a
>> Herman's Hermits visit to Madison, Wisconsin.  All I remember about
>> it was
>> that the warm-up band's drummer lost his stick.  I think the concert was
>> held in an old movie theatre.  Very small stage.
>
> bonnie
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02003-08-12 | Rita Leonard <leonard@BC.EDU> writes:
> How about an assumptive question like "Peter, would it surprise you to
> know that people still recall that their first concert experience was a
> Herman's Hermits concert?"

Yes/no questions are no good ... Make up a question involving
"first pop" concert ...

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O.K.  Rephrasing..."Peter, how many wordslurs do you suppose there are
whose first pop concert attendance was at a Herman's Hermits show?"
After explaining "wordslurs" Marty ought to be pretty much out of
interview time.

Tushar Samant wrote:

>02003-08-12 | Rita Leonard <leonard@BC.EDU> writes:
>
>
>>How about an assumptive question like "Peter, would it surprise you to
>>know that people still recall that their first concert experience was a
>>Herman's Hermits concert?"
>>
>>
>
>Yes/no questions are no good ... Make up a question involving
>"first pop" concert ...
>
>

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In a message dated 8/12/2003 2:27:35 PM Central Daylight Time, 
meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM writes:
<<
The Peter Noone interview is on for tomorrow at, of course, noon.  This one
should rate right up there with my interviews of Pat Schroeder, Dennis
Kucinich, and Doug Hofstadter.

>>

You interviewed Dennis?  Any questions about his term as mayor
of Cleveland, especially about the time the city went into default?

Evelyn Duncan
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02003-08-12 | Rita Leonard <leonard@BC.EDU> writes:
> O.K.  Rephrasing..."Peter, how many wordslurs do you suppose there are
> whose first pop concert attendance was at a Herman's Hermits show?"
> After explaining "wordslurs" Marty ought to be pretty much out of
> interview time.

Gotta go wax my truck ...

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Yes (the alternative paper occasionally turns me loose to talk to folks on
the lunatic fringe). He's a pretty good interview, actually.  Given to vivid
phrases, and more reflective and straightforward than the average
congressperson.  The interview was related to his presidential bid, but the
issue of Cleveland's default did come up. Many consider it a shining moment
in political courage.  I think there's general consensus about the facts of
the case: When he took office, he inherited a significant debt.  When he
attempted to negotiate a restructuring of that debt, some creditors balked
and attempted to use their leverage to force the city to privatize the
electric utility.  Kucinich refused, the utility remained a public property,
and in the aftermath, Kucinich was not re-elected as mayor.  More recently,
in 1998, the city council voted him a commendation for his role in the
affair.  There remain some silly folks who think privatizing utilities is
good policy, but I think it's increasingly clear how wrong they are.

I interviewed him during the run up to the most recent war. Kucinich said
this: “This administration is going after the school lunch program. They
have trouble funding school lunches while providing a special lunch program
for war-mongers."

And this:  They operate like "a group of people who’ve been isolated on an
island since the end of the colonial period and have recently returned,
bringing with them a set of archaic, unilateralist ideas that reflect 17th
and 18th century imperialist values rather than the values one would expect
in a 21st century power. They’ve just returned from their island. While they
were away, the world turned in new directions, but they’re blinded by the
light of being thrust into that new world and can’t find their way. As a
result, their national security policies amount to a blueprint for endless
war.”

Although he's widely considered a flake (and he certainly surrounds himself
with flaky people, like the vomitous Marianne Williamson), he seems quite
popular with voters in his district; he was re-elected last year with a
significant cushion.  I think he's now under Dean's shadow.

>You interviewed Dennis?  Any questions about his term as mayor
>of Cleveland, especially about the time the city went into default?
>
>Evelyn Duncan
>brandykitt@aol.com
>"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
>life:  music and cats."
>--Albert Schweitzer

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-08-12 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>I see your nausea and raise you my morning:
>>
>>As it is overcast, I opened up all the windows in the house,
>>stuck my Unkle Kracker CD in the player, and cranked it up
>>really, really loud while I washed and waxed my truck
>>(except for the back bumper, which is sort of hanging off
>>now).  While I'm happily waxing, one of the speakers on the
>>CD player quits, and the hip hop cut with the parental
>>advisory material in it comes up -- and because of the way
>>the song is mixed, all of the lyrics are inaudible except
>>for the words "shit," "ass," and "fuck," which come out loud
>>and clear over the working speaker.  My neighbor in the
>>back, a first grade catholic school teacher, gives me a look
>>of disgust and goes in the house.  I found this
>>metaphorically evocative of my meaningless middle class life.
>>
>
> You don't like waxing trucks? People would kill for this kind
> of life ... I know a ch*k who is pissed at her Cr**tian parents
> for not giving her a normal childhood like this.


        Actually, I waxed it because the peacock at the riding stable
is in love with the truck, and Ana's riding lesson is
tomorrow.  I thought the truck should look her shiniest best
for her date.  This is as close to a normal childhood as I
can manage for Ana.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Next: the appraisal.

Piece of cake.  So when is the closing?  And when is the move?  (I
apologize if asking about things that have already been covered.  Nomail
is like that.)  And when are we going to have a fest there?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Marty Rosen wrote:

> Although he's widely considered a flake (and he certainly surrounds himself

A flake he is not.  He makes good sense.  As does boring Bob Graham.
It's a shame that he's so boring.

>   I think he's now under Dean's shadow.

The biggest difference is charisma, imho.  The news media go on and on
about how Dean is jarring, grating, whatever.  But there's charisma
there.

Are cover stories in Time and Newsweek always on p. 22?  I'm still awash
in catch-up but did pause a few minutes this morning to read the cover
stories in last week's Time and Newsweek since Howard's picture was on
the front of both (as it is on my refrigerator) and since they were
sitting here calling out to me to open.  I noticed that both started on
p. 22.

And when/why did you resurface, Nipper?  Isn't there something biblical
about giants returning before a flood or something?  Anyway, welcome
back!
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In a message dated 8/12/2003 5:16:42 PM Central Daylight Time, 
meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM writes:
<<
When he
attempted to negotiate a restructuring of that debt, some creditors balked
and attempted to use their leverage to force the city to privatize the
electric utility.  Kucinich refused, the utility remained a public property,
and in the aftermath, Kucinich was not re-elected as mayor.  
>>

Yeah, I remember the newscasters calling it a war between Kucinich
and the banks.  The bankers were not used to someone such as he;
they were more used to mayors who were willing to play their game 
by their rules.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> More words?

Yes, please.

> Coltsfoot flowers come up early in spring, and their leaves (hoof-shaped)
> come up later, after the flower has bloomed.

Ah. I don't think I've ever seen this.

> PS I am so glad that you made it through the night ok and that you are back
> online!

Me, too. I am grateful to have survived relatively unscathed. My
street looks like a battle zone, however.

I am touched by the number of Wordslers who have inquired after my
well-being, btw.

Karen

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On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> When/why/how did American Indians acquire surnames?

When they were forced to deal with whites. I imagine that it varies
from tribe to tribe.

Karen

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On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> I will use the refrigerator that is there - it is more elegant than mine
> (separate freezer compartment, outside ice/water dispenser, etc.).

I love my ice/water dispenser.

Karen

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Next: the appraisal.
>
>Piece of cake.  So when is the closing?
Aug 29.

> And when is the move?
September.

And when are we going to have a fest there?

I don't know - what do you suggest? For at least a year, there will be
plenty of room for sleeping bags, for I own little furniture and am being
counseled to go slow, take my time, make no major decisions/purchases for
at least a year.

This is an association, and there are some rules, so we might have to swim
in shifts - 4 at a time or whatever. But I think I can reserve the whole
pool area for a party, probably.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> I don't know - what do you suggest? For at least a year, there will be
> plenty of room for sleeping bags, for I own little furniture and am being
> counseled to go slow, take my time, make no major decisions/purchases for
> at least a year.
>
> This is an association, and there are some rules, so we might have to swim
> in shifts - 4 at a time or whatever. But I think I can reserve the whole
> pool area for a party, probably.

We have to wait for Rashmi to get back from India before any future fest
decisions can be made.  But I think a Knoxville fest is a great idea.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > When/why/how did American Indians acquire surnames?
>
> When they were forced to deal with whites. I imagine that it varies
> from tribe to tribe.

That's what I would have guessed for the when/why, but what about the
how?  Where did the surnames come from?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Coltsfoot flowers come up early in spring, and their leaves (hoof-shaped)
> > come up later, after the flower has bloomed.
>
> Ah. I don't think I've ever seen this.

If any of you gardeners/googlers are feeling leisurely and in search of
something to search for, please find out more about duck's foot for me.
I {heart} the way my duck's foot is looking in its cooler container, but
I know little about it.  One thing I'd like to know is whether it's an
annual or a perennial.  I'm zone 7b.

> > PS I am so glad that you made it through the night ok and that you are back
> > online!
>
> Me, too. I am grateful to have survived relatively unscathed. My
> street looks like a battle zone, however.
>
> I am touched by the number of Wordslers who have inquired after my
> well-being, btw.

I'm woefully out of touch with the news right now, but I did skim the
usual headlines online this morning.  What happened in Austin?  I didn't
see anything in my news skimming.

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On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> That's what I would have guessed for the when/why, but what about the
> how?  Where did the surnames come from?

I imagine they came from a variety of places, sort of like any sort of
surname.

Karen

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On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I'm woefully out of touch with the news right now, but I did skim the
> usual headlines online this morning.  What happened in Austin?  I didn't
> see anything in my news skimming.

It wasn't in all of Austin--a tornado hit my street. I lost power for
about 6 hours. There was LOTS of damage; I drove around today and saw
lots of missing chimneys and holes in roofs. I'd say every tree on my
street had some damage. Probably 40% lost significant limbs, and
probably 10% were completely destroyed.

I lost most of the only part of my fence that I own. I am hoping to be
able to fix it myself.

Karen

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In a message dated 8/12/2003 6:46:03 PM Central Daylight Time, 
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
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It wasn't in all of Austin--a tornado hit my street.
>>

OH, MY!  I'm glad you're OK.

Evelyn Duncan
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Karen Kay wrote:

> It wasn't in all of Austin--a tornado hit my street. I lost power for
> about 6 hours. There was LOTS of damage; I drove around today and saw
> lots of missing chimneys and holes in roofs. I'd say every tree on my
> street had some damage. Probably 40% lost significant limbs, and
> probably 10% were completely destroyed.

The tornado must have carefully driven down the street if things like
missing chimneys and holes in roofs were the major damage.  (And
tornadoes really do sometimes seem to do that -- like the one that
freaked Bernard out when it zipped down a nearby street.)

> I lost most of the only part of my fence that I own. I am hoping to be
> able to fix it myself.

I'm glad that you have a cat instead of a dog.  A lost fence would be
more critical with a dog.  But it still doesn't sound like much fun.

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> I will use the refrigerator that is there - it is more elegant than mine
>> (separate freezer compartment, outside ice/water dispenser, etc.).
>
>I love my ice/water dispenser.

I look forward to having one - and I love the fact that it dispenses both
ice cubes and crushed ice.

Bethany

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On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> I look forward to having one - and I love the fact that it dispenses both
> ice cubes and crushed ice.

I think they all do these days. Yes, I like this, too.

Karen

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Here's the current crop of questions.  I've dropped the caesar salad
question and the blond question, and am still toying with the sequence--with
a view toward sowing confusion rather than coherence.  This will appear in
straight q&a format.  I'll only use the best 7 or 8 answers.

1. What do you look for in a girl?

2. Of the various groups that opened for you during your U.S. tours, which
was your favorite?  (here, I'm angling for a particular answer, because I
doubt that anyone remembers that The Who opened for Herman during their 1967
U.S. tour).

3. Do you believe in telling a girl you really like here as soon as you know
it?

4. In 1966 or so, London Tailor and Cutter Magazine dubbed you one of
England’s Ten Best Dressed Men.  Are you still a Dapper Dan?

5. Along with The Animals, Lulu, and the Nashville Teens, you were one of
the artists most closely associated with the late, legendary producer Mickie
Most who largely invented the British invasion sound.  What’s the special
musical and cultural legacy of the British Invasion?

6. You were an international heartthrob.  A generation of music fans from
Oslo to Madison, Wisconsin swooned over you. For many of them, a Herman's
Hermits concert was their first taste of live rock and roll.  Of all the
girls you've ever dated from around the world, who was the most interesting?

7. You’ve just finished taping a PBS special with a whole army of American
bands like Tommy James and The Shondells, the Grass Roots, Chad and Jeremy,
and Gary Lewis.  Do you feel like a bit of a turncoat for hanging out with
those colonials?

8. Would you kiss a girl on the first date?

9.  What do you think of the current crop of boy bands?  Are any of them as
cool as Herman's Hermits?

10. In 1966 you planned to invest your earnings in a chain of launderettes?
Did you?  How did they do?  Or Why not?

11.  You play some 200 concerts a year, but if you had time, would you
consider running for governor of California?

12. What’s the best way for a fan to get in touch with you?

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I felt a strong urge to procrastinate, and this seemed like the most
dysfunctional way.

>And when/why did you resurface, Nipper?  Isn't there something biblical
>about giants returning before a flood or something?  Anyway, welcome
>back!
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> 2. Of the various groups that opened for you during your U.S. tours, which
> was your favorite?  (here, I'm angling for a particular answer, because I
> doubt that anyone remembers that The Who opened for Herman during their 1967
> U.S. tour).

The Animals opened for them at my concert... Which must have been in
1967.

> 3. Do you believe in telling a girl you really like here as soon as you know
> it?

I'd change 'here' to 'her'.

> 5. Along with The Animals, Lulu, and the Nashville Teens, you were one of
> the artists most closely associated with the late, legendary producer Mickie
> Most who largely invented the British invasion sound.  What’s the special
> musical and cultural legacy of the British Invasion?

Nicely rephrased.

> 7. You’ve just finished taping a PBS special with a whole army of American
> bands like Tommy James and The Shondells, the Grass Roots, Chad and Jeremy,
> and Gary Lewis.  Do you feel like a bit of a turncoat for hanging out with
> those colonials?

When did Chad and Jeremy become colonials?!

> 9.  What do you think of the current crop of boy bands?  Are any of them as
> cool as Herman's Hermits?

LOL. Good question!

> 12. What’s the best way for a fan to get in touch with you?

Don't forget to slip him my e-mail address.

Karen

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In a message dated 8/12/2003 6:55:07 PM Central Daylight Time, 
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
<<
I think they all do these days.
>>

Nope; a lot don't, but the more expensive ones do.

As for me, I'd be happy with one that had a frost-free
freezer, much less an ice-and-water dispenser.

Evelyn Duncan
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Karen Kay wrote:
> > That's what I would have guessed for the when/why, but what about the
> > how?  Where did the surnames come from?
>
> I imagine they came from a variety of places, sort of like any sort of
> surname.

But usually there are <trends> associated with certain groups -- like
the occupations leading to the surnames in Europe long ago and like
slaves taking the names of their owners, etc.  I thought maybe there was
some kind of general trend that worked with Indians.

And this reminds me that I need to send e-mail to an African American I
corresponded with a while back about our common ancestral name in the
same part of SC and about whether we might be blood kin or whether my
ancestors owned his ancestors.  We think it was the latter.  I didn't
learn anything profound on this trip re that situation, but I want to
tell him about the trip anyway.

Re slaves and stuff, I was thinking while driving along the highways
near where my bastard gg-grandfather migrated and was listening to Joan
Baez singing about a yankee putting the Cain in his grave about how
weird the Civil War really was.  In my genealogical research I've found
many ancestors who were slave-holders, but I bet anything that this
particular gg-grandfather who died in the Civil War had never in his
life even seen a black face and had no clear idea of what slavery was
all about.  Even today there are almost no African Americans in the
places he lived.  And I know that at least one of his uncles fought for
the Yankees in the Civil War and that his mother in NC filed for
reparations for property damaged during the war -- I've forgotten the
name of that kind of filing -- it was something for Union supporters
only.  Lots of those mountain people were against the secession and
war.  My guess is that Alfred fought because he heard that Yankees were
trying to push around the South.  That kind of thing still raises ire in
Southerners.

And that reminds me that I finally read the very short, good novel _The
Secret Life of Bees_.  It was fitting that I read it in SC.  I recommend
it.

But this is getting too long, and the dinger just dinged, telling me
that whatever it was I put in the toaster oven is ready.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:

>>No, Peter - I have phrased my question as a question. No syntactic theory
>>I am familiar will dispute that.
>
>I apologize for bringing this dead bird back, but I had to Google
>"assumptive questioning" today just to see what I found.  There are a few
>interesting uses, but nothing generalized.
>
>OTOH, I don't know if you're familiar with the legal profession, but they
>have a name for the tactic.  From, e.g., dictionary.law.com, "leading the
>witness.  n. asking a question during a trial or deposition which puts
>words in the mouth of the witness or suggests the answer..."
>
>Assumptive: Am I the only one who excels at missing the point?
>Neutral: How many of us excel at missing the point?

The legal profession - yes, I have heard of it.

: )

Where did you find the labels assumptive and neutral? I am interested ...

Thanks,
Bethany

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>The Animals opened for them at my concert... Which must have been in
>1967.

Possibly this was Eric Burdon and the New Animals. allmusic.com indicates
that the original Animals had disassembled by 1967.  It could be, though
that the two bands appeared on a co-bill as part of a rock and roll review,
with the Animals appearing first.  I think it's unlikely they'd have been an
"opener" in the usual sense by this time, since they'd had a significant
number of hits prior to the 1967 (interesting tidbit from allmusic.com: Andy
Summers, who later became a star as a member of The Police, played in The
New Animals).

> > 3. Do you believe in telling a girl you really like here as soon as you
>know
> > it?
>
>I'd change 'here' to 'her'.

You're assuming that this isn't a question about geography or anatomy.

> > 5. Along with The Animals, Lulu, and the Nashville Teens, you were one
>of
> > the artists most closely associated with the late, legendary producer
>Mickie
> > Most who largely invented the British invasion sound.  What’s the
>special
> > musical and cultural legacy of the British Invasion?
>
>Nicely rephrased.

I think it's smarmy.  But Most died a couple of months ago, and I want to
get his name in the column.


> > 7. You’ve just finished taping a PBS special with a whole army of
>American
> > bands like Tommy James and The Shondells, the Grass Roots, Chad and
>Jeremy,
> > and Gary Lewis.  Do you feel like a bit of a turncoat for hanging out
>with
> > those colonials?
>
>When did Chad and Jeremy become colonials?!

Thanks for that.

> > 9.  What do you think of the current crop of boy bands?  Are any of them
>as
> > cool as Herman's Hermits?

>LOL. Good question!
>
> > 12. What’s the best way for a fan to get in touch with you?
>
>Don't forget to slip him my e-mail address.

Not to worry.

>Karen

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

>"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
>life:  music and cats."
>--Albert Schweitzer

Evelyn, did I tell you much our Cathedral Precentor (aka Choir Director)
likes your sigline? He is a cat fanatic as well as a music freak.

Bethany

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In a message dated 8/12/2003 7:17:15 PM Central Daylight Time, 
dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU writes:
<<
Evelyn, did I tell you much our Cathedral Precentor (aka Choir Director)
likes your sigline? He is a cat fanatic as well as a music freak.

>>

No, you didn't, but I'm glad he does; the more music and cat fans, the
better, IMO.

If Mom HAD given Daisy back, I was going to go to PetSmart and
get a kitten.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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Natalie Maynor wrote:


> But usually there are <trends> associated with certain groups -- like
> the occupations leading to the surnames in Europe long ago and like
> slaves taking the names of their owners, etc.  I thought maybe there was
> some kind of general trend that worked with Indians.


My guess would be that they became required in order to
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Marty Rosen wrote:

> 2. Of the various groups that opened for you during your U.S. tours, which
> was your favorite?  (here, I'm angling for a particular answer, because I
> doubt that anyone remembers that The Who opened for Herman during their 1967
> U.S. tour).

And this reminds me to remind y'all again that you should come to the
Delta Blues Festival in Greenville the third Saturday in September.
It's probably too late now to find a place to stay in that vicinity, of
course.  But I will make the offer that I think I made in the past:
stay here in my house if you're willing to be the driver on the way back
from Greenville late at night since I'm blind after dark and since
drinking lots of beer at the festival would be fun.  The drive is less
than three hours.  Can't remember now exactly how long.

The reason I'm reminded of that right now was that I heard an NPR
snippet (or maybe it was just PRM, though I think I remember that the
commentators sounded alien) when driving home the other day about a
wonderful blues picnic in north Mississippi, Senatobia maybe, that was
at the home of Oathar Turner, founder and lead player in the
Mississipppi Fife and Drum Band.  That band has been opening the Delta
Blues Festival for eons now.

Unrelated to Oathar and fifes in drums -- hey, Adam -- I'm going to wear
out the Nields.  I find myself playing that cd over and over and over
and over when traveling.  I never get tired of it and never feel ready
to move on to another cd or to radio.  I just let it repeat and repeat
and repeat.

I wonder whether the pictures I took at the Delta Blues Festival several
years ago are still online.  I bet they are, but I have no idea where I
put them.
...
Found them:
http://maynor.net/Blues/
They're terrible pictures.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > I look forward to having one - and I love the fact that it dispenses both
> > ice cubes and crushed ice.
>
> I think they all do these days. Yes, I like this, too.

Why exactly (do you like it)?  I've never had a refrigerator with an
ice-maker, but my mother did.  My main memory of it was that it would
get jammed with ice, and you'd have to pull a bunch of ice out, freezing
your hands, and toss it into the sink.  I find that ordinary ice trays
work quite well.
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Marty Rosen wrote:
>
> I felt a strong urge to procrastinate, and this seemed like the most
> dysfunctional way.

Indeed.

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Peter, what were your first impressions of American audiences on college
campuses when you began to tour in the '60s?  Did you play large venues or
in more intimate settings?  Did any of your lead-in bands go on to make it big?

>Now, if I can just figure out some way to turn these kindred reports into
>some sort of QUESTION, dammit.....
>
>>>The first pop concert I ever was at was when Heman's Hermits visited Oslo
>>>sometime around 1966.
>>>Espen
>>
>>My very first pop concert, quite shortly after I left the convent, was a
>>Herman's Hermits visit to Madison, Wisconsin.  All I remember about it was
>>that the warm-up band's drummer lost his stick.  I think the concert was
>>held in an old movie theatre.  Very small stage.
>bonnie
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>I am touched by the number of Wordslers who have inquired after my
>well-being, btw.           --Karen

Why is it that you have not posted a full report on what it was like to be
so near a tornado?  Do we have to ask?


bonnie

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Marty,
Can I assume you checked out www.peternoone.com?

Here's the contact information for Karen:  She can send him her email herself.


   Peter: peter@peternoone.com
Club Noonatic: clubnoonatic@peternoone.com
NoOne Records, Inc. 1187 Coast Village Rd. #525Santa Barbara, CA 93108
 Fax: 805-969-5792
Club Noonatic 1187 Coast Village Rd. #525 Santa Barbara, CA 93108  Fax: 805-969-5792


Wonder how many Noonatics there are?

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bonniev wrote:

> Peter, what were your first impressions of American audiences on college
> campuses when you began to tour in the '60s?  Did you play large venues or
> in more intimate settings?  Did any of your lead-in bands go on to make
> it big?


That reminds me.  We went to the Chicago concert this
weekend, and they had a comic for the opening act.  Which
would have been, hmm, marginally OK, except he was totally
unfunny and was telling obscene jokes with a TON of little
kids in the audience.  And then they came out like after
9pm, and played for a little over an hour.  The music was
pretty good, though, and it did make me think of Tushar all
night long...





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Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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At 07:37 PM 8/12/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>And this reminds me to remind y'all again that you should come to the
>Delta Blues Festival in Greenville the third Saturday in September.

I will do this when I retire.  Not the first year though.  The second year
of retirement.  2006.

Betty

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> My guess would be that they became required in order to
> receive benefits from the BIA, but that's just a guess.

I am confident that I can find out from a possible cousin with whom I
have corresponded -- a Lumbee Maynor.  I say a possible cousin because
both he and I think it quite possible that one of the brothers of one of
my ancestors found his way into LumbeeLand, married, and had lots of
sons, thus making Maynor a common name among Lumbees.  I might have
mentioned earlier that the thing that got me started in poking around in
genealogy was finding out that Maynor was a common Lumbee name and that
many Lumbees are fair-skinned and blue-eyed.  (There's a legend that
they're related to Raleigh's lost colony.)  When I got into researching,
I found out quickly that I don't have Lumbee blood -- got my direct
Maynors back to 1600s in Virginia easily, without any Lumbees.  But I do
think it quite likely that there's a Lumbee connection with one of the
<laterals> -- one of those people that I don't have a term for if
ancestor is limited to the directs.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Yes, I'm pretty sure that ArtSpace is where our donation went for
Giggles.   And that is a beautiful picture of East Tennessee.  Where did
you take it from?


>I took 100+ pictures on this trip, but I don't think y'all really want
>to see all the tombstones and the reuniting 5th and 6th cousins.  Here
>are a few pictures:
>
>http://maynor.net/Temp/Pics/
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

bonnie

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Betty wrote:

> I will do this when I retire.  Not the first year though.  The second year
> of retirement.  2006.

I will mark that on my calendar -- except that I don't think I have a
calendar for 2006 yet.  But I can write it in the back of my current
calendar and then transfer it to the back of the next calendar and then
again, and then it will be the right year.
--
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PS:  Why won't you do it the first year?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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About two weeks ago, I observed that my mother had a small tumor on her
left hand. She had not mentioned it. When I asked aboutit, she said, "Oh,
that's a wart that I hit against something. It's nothing." Well, clearly
it WAS something, most likley a carcinoma of some sort. I wanted to take
her for medical treatment immediately, She would not go, insisted that it
was only a wart. I got her some Neosporene to keep it from getting
infected and talked her into making an appt. with a dermatologist.

We went to see Dr. Griffith today - the growth was a squamous cell
carcinoma - he removed it and sent the tissue to the lab.

Those kinds of skin cancers are caused by long over-exposure to the sun,
it seems - so she qualifies for having lots of them.

I will probably have to continue walking a fine line between allowing her
her independence and insisting that needed medical care be sought in
timely fashion. I suspect she wants to die in her own bed - and that will
be okay if great pain does not become a problem.

Me, I may start saving pills!

Bethany

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bonniev wrote:
>
> Yes, I'm pretty sure that ArtSpace is where our donation went for
> Giggles.   And that is a beautiful picture of East Tennessee.  Where did
> you take it from?

It was near the Cherokee National Forest.  I took winding mountain roads
from W. Jefferson, NC, over to Tennessee.  I think the highway was 321.
I was not all that far into Tennessee when I stopped at a "scenic
overlook" mainly because I needed to look at the map and try to figure
out where I was.  I took that picture on that stop.  It was pretty close
to Elizabethton, TN.

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In a message dated 8/12/2003 5:50:47 PM, BrandyKitt@AOL.COM writes:

>OH, MY!  I'm glad you're OK.

Aren't tornados unusual for your area? In any case, glad you escaped damage.
Theo

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Ah!  Now we're getting somewhere!

>
>Peter, what were your first impressions of American audiences on college
>campuses when you began to tour in the '60s?  Did you play large venues or
>in more intimate settings?  Did any of your lead-in bands go on to make it
>big?
>
>>Now, if I can just figure out some way to turn these kindred reports into
>>some sort of QUESTION, dammit.....
>>
>>>>The first pop concert I ever was at was when Heman's Hermits visited
>>>>Oslo
>>>>sometime around 1966.
>>>>Espen
>>>
>>>My very first pop concert, quite shortly after I left the convent, was a
>>>Herman's Hermits visit to Madison, Wisconsin.  All I remember about it
>>>was
>>>that the warm-up band's drummer lost his stick.  I think the concert was
>>>held in an old movie theatre.  Very small stage.
>>bonnie
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At 08:07 PM 8/12/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > I will do this when I retire.  Not the first year though.  The second year
> > of retirement.  2006.
>
>I will mark that on my calendar -- except that I don't think I have a
>calendar for 2006 yet.  But I can write it in the back of my current
>calendar and then transfer it to the back of the next calendar and then
>again, and then it will be the right year.
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Remind me.

Betty

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> We went to see Dr. Griffith today - the growth was a squamous cell
> carcinoma - he removed it and sent the tissue to the lab.
>
> Those kinds of skin cancers are caused by long over-exposure to the sun,
> it seems - so she qualifies for having lots of them.

I think they're one step up in seriousness from basal-cell carcinomas,
which are my <thing> and which are quite harmless.  As I've often
stated, I know pretty much nothing about medical matters, but I have it
stuck in my head that squamous-cell carcinomas can spread and are thus
dangerous if not nipped in the bud, while basal-cell carcinomas really
won't do much of anything except look ugly if not nipped.

> I will probably have to continue walking a fine line between allowing her
> her independence and insisting that needed medical care be sought in
> timely fashion. I suspect she wants to die in her own bed - and that will
> be okay if great pain does not become a problem.

I think you're on the right track.

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At 08:08 PM 8/12/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>PS:  Why won't you do it the first year?

I have to go to a wedding in London.  I thought we would stay for a while.

Betty

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Why tarnation yes!  Karen, quite rightly, wants Peter to make the first
move.  Of course, such ladylike and delicate considerations wouldn't concern
a forward-thinking lass such as yourself...

>From: Sylvia Edwards <s.words@POP.MINDSPRING.COM>
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>Marty,
>Can I assume you checked out www.peternoone.com?
>
>Here's the contact information for Karen:  She can send him her email
>herself.
>
>
>    Peter: peter@peternoone.com
>Club Noonatic: clubnoonatic@peternoone.com
>NoOne Records, Inc. 1187 Coast Village Rd. #525Santa Barbara, CA 93108
>  Fax: 805-969-5792
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>805-969-5792
>
>
>Wonder how many Noonatics there are?
>
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Betty wrote:
> >PS:  Why won't you do it the first year?
>
> I have to go to a wedding in London.  I thought we would stay for a while.

Well, ok.  That sounds acceptable.  You're talking about 2005?  Isn't
this a pretty long engagement?

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But possibly I'll ask him whether he thinks a girl should make the first
move....

>From: Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
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>
>Why tarnation yes!  Karen, quite rightly, wants Peter to make the first
>move.  Of course, such ladylike and delicate considerations wouldn't
>concern
>a forward-thinking lass such as yourself...
>
>>From: Sylvia Edwards <s.words@POP.MINDSPRING.COM>
>>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>>Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:50:29 -0500
>>
>>Marty,
>>Can I assume you checked out www.peternoone.com?
>>
>>Here's the contact information for Karen:  She can send him her email
>>herself.
>>
>>
>>    Peter: peter@peternoone.com
>>Club Noonatic: clubnoonatic@peternoone.com
>>NoOne Records, Inc. 1187 Coast Village Rd. #525Santa Barbara, CA 93108
>>  Fax: 805-969-5792
>>Club Noonatic 1187 Coast Village Rd. #525 Santa Barbara, CA 93108  Fax:
>>805-969-5792
>>
>>
>>Wonder how many Noonatics there are?
>>
>>--
>>Sylvia Edwards
>>Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
>>Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/
>
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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I think they're one step up in seriousness from basal-cell carcinomas,
>which are my <thing> and which are quite harmless.  As I've often
>stated, I know pretty much nothing about medical matters, but I have it
>stuck in my head that squamous-cell carcinomas can spread and are thus
>dangerous if not nipped in the bud, while basal-cell carcinomas really
>won't do much of anything except look ugly if not nipped.

The phrase the dr. used was "low-grade" - and one website says that they
often fall off if they are not treated - so this does not sound major.

Bethany

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At 08:41 PM 8/12/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
> > >PS:  Why won't you do it the first year?
> >
> > I have to go to a wedding in London.  I thought we would stay for a while.
>
>Well, ok.  That sounds acceptable.  You're talking about 2005?  Isn't
>this a pretty long engagement?

Yes, but they want to finish school.

Betty

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Why don't you get a PDA or a pocket pc?  You could schedule appointments
from now through December 2999 (at least, that's as far as my Axim calendar
goes).


>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
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>
>Betty wrote:
> > >PS:  Why won't you do it the first year?
> >
> > I have to go to a wedding in London.  I thought we would stay for a
>while.
>
>Well, ok.  That sounds acceptable.  You're talking about 2005?  Isn't
>this a pretty long engagement?
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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In a message dated 8/12/2003 7:13:49 PM, dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU writes:

>We went to see Dr. Griffith today - the growth was a squamous cell
>carcinoma - he removed it and sent the tissue to the lab.
>
Oh my, hopefully it was all, and no new ones will grow. My best wishes hereby
for her well-being.
Theo

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> > When they were forced to deal with whites. I
> imagine that it varies
> > from tribe to tribe.
>
> That's what I would have guessed for the when/why,
> but what about the
> how?  Where did the surnames come from?


Just a theory here, but many Indians probably retain
as surnames the names which were their ancestors full
names, i.e., Birdsong, Rainwater, etc.  Then (my
theory only) as Ms. Kay suggests, exposure to the
white race, as well as practicality, would explain the
assignment of given names.  It would be more
convenient and comfortable for the white man to
customize the Indian names to his manner of doing
business.  Just a theory.


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> Nope; a lot don't, but the more expensive ones do.
>
> As for me, I'd be happy with one that had a
> frost-free
> freezer, much less an ice-and-water dispenser.

Wise woman.


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In fact, I just checked, and according to my calendar, I'm scheduled to be
at the reference desk on December 24, 2999, which I'm pretty sure is a
university holiday.

Fuck.

Now I have to go through all my recurring appointments looking for these
kinds of conflicts over the next 996 years.  It's gonna take all night.

Maybe you shouldn't get one of these gadgets after all.

>From: Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
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>
>Why don't you get a PDA or a pocket pc?  You could schedule appointments
>from now through December 2999 (at least, that's as far as my Axim calendar
>goes).
>
>
>>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: Re: Delta Blue Festival
>>Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:41:08 -0500
>>
>>Betty wrote:
>> > >PS:  Why won't you do it the first year?
>> >
>> > I have to go to a wedding in London.  I thought we would stay for a
>>while.
>>
>>Well, ok.  That sounds acceptable.  You're talking about 2005?  Isn't
>>this a pretty long engagement?
>>
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>>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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This seems pointless if you leave the caesar salad
question out.




> 1. What do you look for in a girl?
>
> 2. Of the various groups that opened for you during
> your U.S. tours, which
> was your favorite?  (here, I'm angling for a
> particular answer, because I
> doubt that anyone remembers that The Who opened for
> Herman during their 1967
> U.S. tour).
>
> 3. Do you believe in telling a girl you really like
> here as soon as you know
> it?
>
> 4. In 1966 or so, London Tailor and Cutter Magazine
> dubbed you one of
> England’s Ten Best Dressed Men.  Are you still a
> Dapper Dan?
>
> 5. Along with The Animals, Lulu, and the Nashville
> Teens, you were one of
> the artists most closely associated with the late,
> legendary producer Mickie
> Most who largely invented the British invasion
> sound.  What’s the special
> musical and cultural legacy of the British Invasion?
>
> 6. You were an international heartthrob.  A
> generation of music fans from
> Oslo to Madison, Wisconsin swooned over you. For
> many of them, a Herman's
> Hermits concert was their first taste of live rock
> and roll.  Of all the
> girls you've ever dated from around the world, who
> was the most interesting?
>
> 7. You’ve just finished taping a PBS special with a
> whole army of American
> bands like Tommy James and The Shondells, the Grass
> Roots, Chad and Jeremy,
> and Gary Lewis.  Do you feel like a bit of a
> turncoat for hanging out with
> those colonials?
>
> 8. Would you kiss a girl on the first date?
>
> 9.  What do you think of the current crop of boy
> bands?  Are any of them as
> cool as Herman's Hermits?
>
> 10. In 1966 you planned to invest your earnings in a
> chain of launderettes?
> Did you?  How did they do?  Or Why not?
>
> 11.  You play some 200 concerts a year, but if you
> had time, would you
> consider running for governor of California?
>
> 12. What’s the best way for a fan to get in touch
> with you?
>
>
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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> The phrase the dr. used was "low-grade" - and one website says that they
> often fall off if they are not treated - so this does not sound major.

No, I don't think it's major.  I didn't mean to give that impression.  I
just meant that my (unmedicallyknowledgeable) sense was that it's good
that it was taken care of -- as opposed to a basal-cell carcinoma, which
really doesn't matter at all.

Which POTUS was it -- Reagan? -- who had basal-cell carcinomas removed
from his nose and there was all this stuff in the press about it -- like
egads, the POTUS has cancer!  I remember laughing at that.  The media
are basically crazy I have concluded.

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When I read about the fall in temperature, I felt bad
weather was on the way.  This is how it happens in AL.

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Marty Rosen wrote:
>
> Why don't you get a PDA or a pocket pc?  You could schedule appointments
> from now through December 2999 (at least, that's as far as my Axim calendar
> goes).

Because I am an elderly non-techy.

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> As for me, I'd be happy with one that had a frost-free
> freezer, much less an ice-and-water dispenser.

Amen to that, sister!

--Adam
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Betty wrote:

> >Well, ok.  That sounds acceptable.  You're talking about 2005?  Isn't
> >this a pretty long engagement?
>
> Yes, but they want to finish school.

Well, ok.  That sounds acceptable.  But why are they engaged so soon?
Back in my generation, the normal thing to do would be to get dropped
and then pinned, saving the actual engagement until not many months
before the wedding.  But then we're talking here about early '60s
Mississippi, not early oughts London.

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Hmm.  Dad had more surgery today.  Seems to be doing alright.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Lynne Weber wrote:

> Just a theory here, but many Indians probably retain
> as surnames the names which were their ancestors full
> names, i.e., Birdsong, Rainwater, etc.

That sounds likely.  I do need to write my Lumbee possible cousin about
this.  He's big into genealogy and Indian stuff and would for sure have
an answer to this question.

He is one among quite a few that I have applied my question to about the
label "Native American," btw -- and he, like all the other <Native
Americans> I've asked, finds that a silly term and prefers "Indian."
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> Unrelated to Oathar and fifes in drums -- hey, Adam -- I'm going to wear
> out the Nields.  I find myself playing that cd over and over and over
> and over when traveling.  I never get tired of it and never feel ready
> to move on to another cd or to radio.  I just let it repeat and repeat
> and repeat.

Cool! What's your favorite song?

I should send you their other albums.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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At 08:57 PM 8/12/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Marty Rosen wrote:
> >
> > Why don't you get a PDA or a pocket pc?  You could schedule appointments
> > from now through December 2999 (at least, that's as far as my Axim calendar
> > goes).
>
>Because I am an elderly non-techy.

I have one but I'd have to apologize for using it. The date keeps getting
messed up anyway. I use it mostly for addresses and phone numbers.

Betty

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In a message dated 8/12/2003 8:58:59 PM Central Daylight Time, 
adamh1@COMCAST.NET writes:
<<
>As for me, I'd be happy with one that had a frost-free
>freezer, much less an ice-and-water dispenser.

Amen to that, sister!

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net
stuck in 1963 or so

>>

I bet this refrigerator is as old as I am.

Daisy and I went for a run this evening; correction:  I went for a walk;
she went for a run.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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At 09:00 PM 8/12/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > >Well, ok.  That sounds acceptable.  You're talking about 2005?  Isn't
> > >this a pretty long engagement?
> >
> > Yes, but they want to finish school.
>
>Well, ok.  That sounds acceptable.  But why are they engaged so soon?

I don't know. It just happened that way.

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In a message dated 8/12/2003 8:52:50 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
>Nope; a lot don't, but the more expensive ones do.
>
>As for me, I'd be happy with one that had a
>frost-free
>freezer, much less an ice-and-water dispenser.

Wise woman.

>>

I wonder if the apartment complex would let us buy our own
refrigerator.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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I need to put together an Amazon order (I need a couple
books for school -- nobody *told* me I had to teach Frost to
the freshmen; I thought they got him junior year).  Anyway,
I'm not going to read anything heavy during the school year,
and I've done plenty of heavy reading in the past couple of
months, so I'm trolling for suggestions of funny novels.
Anybody read anything that made them laugh lately?


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Why are you asking all these questions about girls?

Won't you feel kind of oh say creep-like asking those?

Ann

On Tue, 12 Aug 2003,
Marty Rosen wrote:

> Here's the current crop of questions.  I've dropped the caesar salad
> question and the blond question, and am still toying with the sequence--with
> a view toward sowing confusion rather than coherence.  This will appear in
> straight q&a format.  I'll only use the best 7 or 8 answers.
>
> 1. What do you look for in a girl?
>
> 2. Of the various groups that opened for you during your U.S. tours, which
> was your favorite?  (here, I'm angling for a particular answer, because I
> doubt that anyone remembers that The Who opened for Herman during their 1967
> U.S. tour).
>
> 3. Do you believe in telling a girl you really like here as soon as you know
> it?
>
> 4. In 1966 or so, London Tailor and Cutter Magazine dubbed you one of
> England’s Ten Best Dressed Men.  Are you still a Dapper Dan?
>
> 5. Along with The Animals, Lulu, and the Nashville Teens, you were one of
> the artists most closely associated with the late, legendary producer Mickie
> Most who largely invented the British invasion sound.  What’s the special
> musical and cultural legacy of the British Invasion?
>
> 6. You were an international heartthrob.  A generation of music fans from
> Oslo to Madison, Wisconsin swooned over you. For many of them, a Herman's
> Hermits concert was their first taste of live rock and roll.  Of all the
> girls you've ever dated from around the world, who was the most interesting?
>
> 7. You’ve just finished taping a PBS special with a whole army of American
> bands like Tommy James and The Shondells, the Grass Roots, Chad and Jeremy,
> and Gary Lewis.  Do you feel like a bit of a turncoat for hanging out with
> those colonials?
>
> 8. Would you kiss a girl on the first date?
>
> 9.  What do you think of the current crop of boy bands?  Are any of them as
> cool as Herman's Hermits?
>
> 10. In 1966 you planned to invest your earnings in a chain of launderettes?
> Did you?  How did they do?  Or Why not?
>
> 11.  You play some 200 concerts a year, but if you had time, would you
> consider running for governor of California?
>
> 12. What’s the best way for a fan to get in touch with you?
>
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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

> and I've done plenty of heavy reading in the past couple of
> months, so I'm trolling for suggestions of funny novels.
> Anybody read anything that made them laugh lately?

I think the movie Le Divorce is funny.  I think I thought the book was
kind of funny too (but not as funny as the movie).

I just read Ghost World.  I suppose comics are out?  Anyway, thanks,
Samant, Ghost World was the first comic strip of any length that made me
laugh.

Once I was with my girlfriend on a train in France and she got a crush on
a guy in our car because he was reading comics and actually laughing at
them.  This was a moment much like those in Ghost World, actually, my
friend telling me that and me telling her she was insane and he was
obviously a pervert.

Ann

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On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> In a message dated 8/12/2003 6:55:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> <<
> I think they all do these days.
>>>

> Nope; a lot don't, but the more expensive ones do.

I meant that the ones that have a drink in the door thing have both
cubes and crushed ice. I know that this is an option. I was told that
it's a requirement for TX, and I agree.

Karen

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On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > I look forward to having one - and I love the fact that it dispenses both
>> > ice cubes and crushed ice.
>>
>> I think they all do these days. Yes, I like this, too.

> Why exactly (do you like it)?

Because I use it constantly, and it means I don't have to open the
freezer or the fridge. Also, my fridge has a water filter.

Karen

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On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, bonniev wrote:
>>I am touched by the number of Wordslers who have inquired after my
>>well-being, btw.           --Karen

> Why is it that you have not posted a full report on what it was like to be
> so near a tornado?

Because the whole thing lasted maybe 15 minutes from start to
finish--it was very fast. I was terrified that I was going to be like
Dorothy and fly away with my house--and that the house would land on
me, and that I wouldn't have any ruby slippers.

>  Do we have to ask?

I thought if you wanted to hear more, you'd ask.

Karen

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> I bet this refrigerator is as old as I am.
>
> Daisy and I went for a run this evening; correction:
>  I went for a walk;
> she went for a run.

Is your mom glad you're keeping Daisy?


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On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> But possibly I'll ask him whether he thinks a girl should make the first
> move....

Thanks!

Btw, ask if he's ever attended fireworks in Lompoc...

Karen

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>I meant that the ones that have a drink in the door thing have both
>cubes and crushed ice. I know that this is an option. I was told that
>it's a requirement for TX, and I agree.

My wet bar has a large wine rack - it will be fun to look for bottles of
sparkling water that will fit there!

Bethany

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In a message dated 8/12/2003 9:50:22 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Is your mom glad you're keeping Daisy?

>>

Sometimes.  But she no longer talks about giving her away.

Pity list mail won't let you see the stationery I'm using;
it's Yellow Lab.

Evelyn Duncan
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>
> I wonder if the apartment complex would let us buy
> our own
> refrigerator.

All they can do is say no, in which case, you save
money anyhow.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> life:  music and cats."
> --Albert Schweitzer


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On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> My wet bar has a large wine rack - it will be fun to look for bottles of
> sparkling water that will fit there!

Not even sparkling grape juice?

Karen

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On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> When I read about the fall in temperature, I felt bad
> weather was on the way.  This is how it happens in AL.

Well, the temperature drop happened everywhere, but this tornado was
only in my neighborhod. There was rain elsewhere, of course.

Karen

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On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> Why tarnation yes!  Karen, quite rightly, wants Peter to make the first
> move.

Yup.

Karen

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> I thought if you wanted to hear more, you'd ask.
>
> Karen

More, Please.


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On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, Theo Groothof wrote:
> Aren't tornados unusual for your area?

Yup.

> In any case, glad you escaped damage.

Me, too.

Karen

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> Pity list mail won't let you see the stationery I'm
> using;
> it's Yellow Lab.

I imagine it as quite a lovely shade.


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In a message dated 8/12/2003 10:03:02 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
>Pity list mail won't let you see the stationery I'm
>using;
>it's Yellow Lab.

I imagine it as quite a lovely shade.

>>

White with lots of little yellow dogs.

Evelyn Duncan
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life:  music and cats."
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On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
>>The Animals opened for them at my concert... Which must have been in
>>1967.

> Possibly this was Eric Burdon and the New Animals.

Hm. I remember Eric Burdon, but not the rest of them. They may have
indeed been New Animals. I can ask my co-attenders and see if they
remember.

That's sort of scary. I'm in regular communication with two of the
three people I went to this concert with. And those two are in
regular communication with the third. That was more than 35 years
ago!

> It could be, though that the two bands appeared on a co-bill as part
> of a rock and roll review, with the Animals appearing first. I think
> it's unlikely they'd have been an "opener" in the usual sense by
> this time, since they'd had a significant number of hits prior to
> the 1967 (interesting tidbit from allmusic.com: Andy Summers, who
> later became a star as a member of The Police, played in The New
> Animals).

Well, I remember being surprised that they were the opening act--but I
assumed it was because they were New Animals.

>> > 3. Do you believe in telling a girl you really like here as soon as you
>>know
>> > it?
>>
>>I'd change 'here' to 'her'.

> You're assuming that this isn't a question about geography or anatomy.

Hm. Yes, you're right.

>>Nicely rephrased.

> I think it's smarmy.  But Most died a couple of months ago, and I want to
> get his name in the column.

And this was a nice way to do it.

>> > 7. You’ve just finished taping a PBS special with a whole army of
>>American
>> > bands like Tommy James and The Shondells, the Grass Roots, Chad and
>>Jeremy,
>> > and Gary Lewis.  Do you feel like a bit of a turncoat for hanging out
>>with
>> > those colonials?
>>
>>When did Chad and Jeremy become colonials?!

> Thanks for that.

You're welcome.

I must admit that I really think that Peter Noone has not aged well.
But I give him credit for living in Santa Barbara, and a lot of my
youth is tied up in him.

Karen

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On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> In a message dated 8/12/2003 6:46:03 PM Central Daylight Time,
> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> <<
> It wasn't in all of Austin--a tornado hit my street.
>>>

> OH, MY!  I'm glad you're OK.

Me, too.

Karen

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On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> The tornado must have carefully driven down the street if things like
> missing chimneys and holes in roofs were the major damage.  (And
> tornadoes really do sometimes seem to do that -- like the one that
> freaked Bernard out when it zipped down a nearby street.)

It's interesting also because my street is not straight, it's a
horseshoe.

While I was unscathed, the people behind me lost their chimney, and
the people next door lost 20 feet off their trees.

>> I lost most of the only part of my fence that I own. I am hoping to be
>> able to fix it myself.

> I'm glad that you have a cat instead of a dog.  A lost fence would be
> more critical with a dog.  But it still doesn't sound like much fun.

It's not.

Karen

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On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > That's what I would have guessed for the when/why, but what about the
>> > how?  Where did the surnames come from?
>>
>> I imagine they came from a variety of places, sort of like any sort of
>> surname.

> But usually there are <trends> associated with certain groups -- like
> the occupations leading to the surnames in Europe long ago

That's only source of European surnames. There's also the whole
placename thang.

> I thought maybe there was
> some kind of general trend that worked with Indians.

I bet this is overly simplistic.

Karen

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On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> I thought if you wanted to hear more, you'd ask.
>>
>> Karen

> More, Please.

It was terrifying and unpleasant. I hope never to experience this
again. I am not going to enjoy re-doing my fence.

Karen

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On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> Karen Kay wrote:
>>> > That's what I would have guessed for the when/why, but what about the
>>> > how?  Where did the surnames come from?
>>>
>>> I imagine they came from a variety of places, sort of like any sort of
>>> surname.

>> But usually there are <trends> associated with certain groups -- like
>> the occupations leading to the surnames in Europe long ago

> That's only source of European surnames. There's also the whole
        ^not the
> placename thang.

>> I thought maybe there was
>> some kind of general trend that worked with Indians.

> I bet this is overly simplistic.

> Karen



Karen

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> White with lots of little yellow dogs.

Now I understand.  Our dog before Jaysie was part lab,
a black one, though.  Peche - he really was one in a
million, we felt about him much as Natalie felt about
Bernard, I imagine, anyway.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
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> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> life:  music and cats."
> --Albert Schweitzer


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This is the week end that Terry is arriving in San Francisco.

Is everyone still on for Sunday in Santa Rosa?

Betty

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On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, Betty wrote:
> This is the week end that Terry is arriving in San Francisco.

> Is everyone still on for Sunday in Santa Rosa?

I'll be there--in spirit.

Karen

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> My wet bar has a large wine rack - it will be fun to look for bottles of
>> sparkling water that will fit there!
>
>Not even sparkling grape juice?

I don't like sweet drinks - I often drink a mixture of club soda, bitters,
and a slice of lime - on ice. I forget what bar books call that. Is there
a non-sweet grape juice?

Bethany

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On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> Is there a non-sweet grape juice?

A dry one? Hm.

There are certainly some with no sugar added.

Karen

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>From Realage.com.

Karen

"Fit to Be Tied

Loosening your neckties may help save your eyes. If your shirt
collars, ties, or scarves are worn too tightly around your neck, it
could have an impact on your eyesight, research suggests. In a recent
study, a necktie that was tied too tightly increased the pressure of
fluid within the wearer's eyes. Over time, such increases in fluid
pressure could raise a person's risk of glaucoma."

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At 20:41 08/12/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:

>This is the week end that Terry is arriving in San Francisco.
>
>Is everyone still on for Sunday in Santa Rosa?
>
>Betty

Oh no!?!  I can't get away this weekend ... in the silent auction
fundraiser for the 36th Legislative District Democrats, I offered the
opportunity to see a Mariners game with "a baseball expert", and the winner
and I had agreed on this Sunday's game against the Red Sox.

Have a great time with Terry, all you BA wordslers!

PS.  What's the final decision on the words-l poker night?  Where?  When?


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09:33 12.08.2003 -0700 skrev Peter Kaminski:
>Espen Ore writes,
>
>>I have managed to make two files: one AVI (which QuickTime says it can't
>>handle but Windows Mediaplayer does) and one wav-soundfile.
>
>You might try VirtualDub <http://www.virtualdub.org/>, which can read AVI
>and incorporate a WAV file.
>
>There is also a modified version, VirtualDub-MPEG2
><http://fcchandler.home.comcast.net/>, which reads certain VOB files directly.
>
>If you want to get back to MPG, there's TMPGEnc.  All of these are freeware.

Pete,

Thank you very much - these were exactly the kind of tools I was looking for! VirtualDub-MPEG2 didn't seem able to handle the VOB-file I have, but I had managed to extract that to an avi-file for the video and a wav-file for the sound and now I am happily bringing it all back to MPEG1.

Espen

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15:49 12.08.2003 -0400 skrev Carolyn Ostrander:
>On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 01:57:35 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
>
>>On Monday, August 11, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>>> On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 22:06:35 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>wrote:
>>
>>>>On Sunday, August 10, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>>>> Thanks, Karen.  Mystery solved.  Daylilies wasn't bringing
>>>>> anything up on google, but rain lilies did.  We've had a
>>>>> bunch of rain lately, so that would explain their sudden
>>>>> appearance.  I've never seen them before, but it's been
>>>>> pretty dry every summer since we moved to Missouri.
>>>>
>>>>They really are neat--I love they way they spring forth fully formed.
>>>>I only have a few, but they do self-propagate. (Or you can buy more at
>>>>a nursery.)
>>>>
>>>>I did a search on daylilies no-foliage and found stuff about cutting
>>>>daylily foliage back; I think all daylilies have foliage. And then I
>>>>thought, duh. Rain lilies are the only flowers I know that spring up
>>>>like that.
>>>>
>>>>Karen
>>
>>> Coltsfoot
>>
>>?
>>Karen
>
>More words?
>Coltsfoot flowers come up early in spring, and their leaves (hoof-shaped)
>come up later, after the flower has bloomed.

And as its latin name says it is good against coughing.

Espen

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14:59 12.08.2003 -0500 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>When/why/how did American Indians acquire surnames?
>--

I don't now about that, but in Norway there was no law that you needed to have one until 1923. And in Iceland they still manage without.

Espen

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> Cool! What's your favorite song?

It's hard to decide.  I still like the New Haven one, which was my
favorite at first, but they've all turned into my favorites -- as in
they're all clumped together at the top of my like chart.  Another one
that comes to mind is the tailspin one.  And the dog one has grown on
me.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> months, so I'm trolling for suggestions of funny novels.
> Anybody read anything that made them laugh lately?

I think I mentioned _The Secret Life of Bees_ last night.  Though not a
"funny novel," there were moments in it that made me laugh, I think.
And it's not at all heavy reading.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > But usually there are <trends> associated with certain groups -- like
> > the occupations leading to the surnames in Europe long ago
>
> That's only source of European surnames. There's also the whole
> placename thang.

Right.  That's why I used the word "trends" and why I said "like" --
though I realize in looking above that that "like" could be interpreted
in a different way -- as in that could have been meant as The Europe
Example rather than as a <sub-example> -- as in one of various possible
examples in Europe.

> > I thought maybe there was
> > some kind of general trend that worked with Indians.
>
> I bet this is overly simplistic.

Again, that's why I used "general trend."  I feel quite sure that there
was not just one answer.  I was looking for possibilities of ways.
Lynn's example was a good one -- the Rainwater, etc.

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Karen,
I have to apologize.  I honestly thought that your initial post was a
joke.  Iirc, it said "Ha ha, a tornado..."    I'm very glad to hear that
you are O.K. and that damage was minimal at your house.  How extensive
will the repairs to your fence be?

Rita L.

Karen Kay wrote:

>On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>
>
>>>I thought if you wanted to hear more, you'd ask.
>>>
>>>Karen
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>More, Please.
>>
>>
>
>It was terrifying and unpleasant. I hope never to experience this
>again. I am not going to enjoy re-doing my fence.
>
>Karen
>
>

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Natalie Maynor wrote:


> Again, that's why I used "general trend."  I feel quite sure that there
> was not just one answer.  I was looking for possibilities of ways.
> Lynn's example was a good one -- the Rainwater, etc.


        I saw a narrative on a web page that talked about being
assigned names at those mission schools they forced the
children to go to.




--
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Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
>
>>>My wet bar has a large wine rack - it will be fun to look for bottles of
>>>sparkling water that will fit there!
>>>
>>Not even sparkling grape juice?
>>
>
> I don't like sweet drinks - I often drink a mixture of club soda, bitters,
> and a slice of lime - on ice. I forget what bar books call that. Is there
> a non-sweet grape juice?


        Perrier comes flavored with lemon or lime.  I like to drink
that during the summer.




--
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rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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22:31 12.08.2003 -0500 skrev Karen Kay:
>On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>> On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>> Karen Kay wrote:
>>>> > That's what I would have guessed for the when/why, but what about the
>>>> > how?  Where did the surnames come from?
>>>>
>>>> I imagine they came from a variety of places, sort of like any sort of
>>>> surname.
>
>>> But usually there are <trends> associated with certain groups -- like
>>> the occupations leading to the surnames in Europe long ago
>
>> That's only source of European surnames. There's also the whole
>        ^not the
>> placename thang.

Like Ore.

Espen

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>When I read about the fall in temperature, I felt bad
>weather was on the way.  This is how it happens in AL.

And in Tennessee.  And possibly everywhere.  That's why I was surprised
that K@r3n posted her report of the 20 degree drop under the subject header
"I love Texas".  What's to love about tornadoes and severe thunderstorms??


bonnie

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>months, so I'm trolling for suggestions of funny novels.
>Anybody read anything that made them laugh lately?
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

Here's two not to read:
The Book Against God
I Want More of Everything by Eda LeShan

The Lobster Chronicles by Linda Greenlaw is now out in paperback and is
quite good.  Even funny.  It's about her life as a lobsterman and islander
out on Isle au Haut, part of which is part of Acadia National Park.  She
got off the long liner, sword-fishing boat in the hopes of finding a
husband only to move back to her home and remember that she was related to
half the eligible men on the island and the other half were gay.

We just splurged and bought First Light which is a collection of
outstanding photos taken on Mount Desert Island.  The book is published by
The Friends of Acadia.  Hopefully part of the $60 price will support the Park.

By the way, Rita, I was very pleased by your peak moment at Sand
Beach.  I'm glad that the two of you got into the cool waters of the
Atlantic and that the magic of this island touched you.


bonnie

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:39:23 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
wrote:

>02003-08-12 | Rita Leonard <leonard@BC.EDU> writes:
>> How about an assumptive question like "Peter, would it surprise you to
>> know that people still recall that their first concert experience was a
>> Herman's Hermits concert?"
>
>Yes/no questions are no good ... Make up a question involving
>"first pop" concert ...

When I think of "first pop" I think of kids with stepfathers and kids who
did numerous stints in Juvy Hall.

"My first pop was for joyriding, man"

I am with Tushar - don't ask a yes/no question if you can avoid it.


"What kind of impact do you think you had on your fans?"
"Thinking of the "boy bands" that have followed you, (Menudo, Back Street
Boys, etc), how do you feel about having set the stage for this trend?

"When you meet a fan who says, 'I remember my first concert - it was
Herman's Hermits, and I just about swooned; I had such a crush on the
drummer (or whoever)', what do you reply?"

"What projects are you looking forward to in the future?"

clo

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On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:16:55 +0200, Espen Ore <Espen.Ore@NB.NO> wrote:

>15:49 12.08.2003 -0400 skrev Carolyn Ostrander:
>>On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 01:57:35 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
>>
>>>On Monday, August 11, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 22:06:35 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>>On Sunday, August 10, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>>>>> Thanks, Karen.  Mystery solved.  Daylilies wasn't bringing
>>>>>> anything up on google, but rain lilies did.  We've had a
>>>>>> bunch of rain lately, so that would explain their sudden
>>>>>> appearance.  I've never seen them before, but it's been
>>>>>> pretty dry every summer since we moved to Missouri.
>>>>>
>>>>>They really are neat--I love they way they spring forth fully formed.
>>>>>I only have a few, but they do self-propagate. (Or you can buy more at
>>>>>a nursery.)
>>>>>
>>>>>I did a search on daylilies no-foliage and found stuff about cutting
>>>>>daylily foliage back; I think all daylilies have foliage. And then I
>>>>>thought, duh. Rain lilies are the only flowers I know that spring up
>>>>>like that.
>>>>>
>>>>>Karen
>>>
>>>> Coltsfoot
>>>
>>>?
>>>Karen
>>
>>More words?
>>Coltsfoot flowers come up early in spring, and their leaves (hoof-shaped)
>>come up later, after the flower has bloomed.
>
>And as its latin name says it is good against coughing.
>
>Espen

Indeed. My first husband used to smoke it to calm the bronchiae or whatever
during asthma attacks.
clo

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Well, there's the slight risk that I'll piss him off.  But the point of that
batch of questions is to echo the kinds of questions he was asked several
thousand times by interviewers for Tiger Beat, 16, etc. during the period
when the band was neck and neck with the Beatles.


>From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET>
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>Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:19:10 -0700
>
>Why are you asking all these questions about girls?
>
>Won't you feel kind of oh say creep-like asking those?
>
>Ann
>
>On Tue, 12 Aug 2003,
>Marty Rosen wrote:
>
> > Here's the current crop of questions.  I've dropped the caesar salad
> > question and the blond question, and am still toying with the
>sequence--with
> > a view toward sowing confusion rather than coherence.  This will appear
>in
> > straight q&a format.  I'll only use the best 7 or 8 answers.
> >
> > 1. What do you look for in a girl?
> >
> > 2. Of the various groups that opened for you during your U.S. tours,
>which
> > was your favorite?  (here, I'm angling for a particular answer, because
>I
> > doubt that anyone remembers that The Who opened for Herman during their
>1967
> > U.S. tour).
> >
> > 3. Do you believe in telling a girl you really like here as soon as you
>know
> > it?
> >
> > 4. In 1966 or so, London Tailor and Cutter Magazine dubbed you one of
> > England’s Ten Best Dressed Men.  Are you still a Dapper Dan?
> >
> > 5. Along with The Animals, Lulu, and the Nashville Teens, you were one
>of
> > the artists most closely associated with the late, legendary producer
>Mickie
> > Most who largely invented the British invasion sound.  What’s the
>special
> > musical and cultural legacy of the British Invasion?
> >
> > 6. You were an international heartthrob.  A generation of music fans
>from
> > Oslo to Madison, Wisconsin swooned over you. For many of them, a
>Herman's
> > Hermits concert was their first taste of live rock and roll.  Of all the
> > girls you've ever dated from around the world, who was the most
>interesting?
> >
> > 7. You’ve just finished taping a PBS special with a whole army of
>American
> > bands like Tommy James and The Shondells, the Grass Roots, Chad and
>Jeremy,
> > and Gary Lewis.  Do you feel like a bit of a turncoat for hanging out
>with
> > those colonials?
> >
> > 8. Would you kiss a girl on the first date?
> >
> > 9.  What do you think of the current crop of boy bands?  Are any of them
>as
> > cool as Herman's Hermits?
> >
> > 10. In 1966 you planned to invest your earnings in a chain of
>launderettes?
> > Did you?  How did they do?  Or Why not?
> >
> > 11.  You play some 200 concerts a year, but if you had time, would you
> > consider running for governor of California?
> >
> > 12. What’s the best way for a fan to get in touch with you?
> >
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On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, Rita Leonard wrote:
> Karen,
> I have to apologize.  I honestly thought that your initial post was a
> joke.  Iirc, it said "Ha ha, a tornado..."

It said "Ha ha. A tornado went down my street."

> I'm very glad to hear that
> you are O.K. and that damage was minimal at your house.  How extensive
> will the repairs to your fence be?

I'm going to have to rescrew every board, even the split ones. With no
income, replacement is impossible.

Karen

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On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, bonniev wrote:
>>When I read about the fall in temperature, I felt bad
>>weather was on the way.  This is how it happens in AL.

> And in Tennessee.  And possibly everywhere.  That's why I was surprised
> that K@r3n posted her report of the 20 degree drop under the subject header
> "I love Texas".  What's to love about tornadoes and severe thunderstorms??

I don't love tornadoes. (Obviously.) But I like thunderstorms,
especially when we haven't had any rain for ages.

Karen,
looking forward to more of the same today

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On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> "Thinking of the "boy bands" that have followed you, (Menudo, Back Street
> Boys, etc), how do you feel about having set the stage for this trend?

But Herman's Hermits wasn't a boy band; this is kind of insulting.

Karen

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>From another list

Karen

http://www.nealpollack.com/cgi-bin/blog/do.cgi/200308122150/permalink

excerpts--
Save Al Franken! [Aug 12, 2003]

The Fox News Channel has sued political satirist Al Franken to stop him
from using the words "fair and balanced" in the title of his new book,
scheduled to publish next month. The suit claims that the subtitle is
"likely to cause confusion among the public about whether Fox News has
authorized or endorsed the book and about whether Franken is affiliated
with FNC."

This Friday, August 15, is Fair And Balanced day on the Internet. You are
all hereby instructed to use the words Fair And Balanced in very creative
ways on your various websites.

==============
Junglescan ranking of Al Franken's book since 7/20/03.
http://www.junglescan.com/index.cfm?asin=0525947647

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Also from another list

Karen

"http://home.hiwaay.net/~tfharris/pulpculture/columns/030807.shtml

excerpts--
Earlier this week, the U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear an appeal of
Jesus Castillo's 2000 obscenity conviction for selling a comic book. The
court let stand his sentence of 180 days in jail, a year of probation and a
$4,000 fine.

In September 1999, Castillo, manager of Keith's Comics in Dallas, sold a
copy of "Demon Beast Invasion: The Fallen" No. 2 to an undercover police
officer. The adults-only comic (an English translation of a Japanese manga)
was labeled as such and was stocked in an adults-only section of the shop.
The police officer was an adult. Several months later, as the Dallas
Observer reported, police arrested Castillo and charged him with a Class A
misdemeanor, punishable by up to two years in prison plus fines.

During Castillo's trial, the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund provided expert
witnesses to testify as to the offending book's artistic merits. Susan
Napier, an associate professor of Asian Studies at the University of Texas
at Austin, explained that "Demon Beast Invasion," far from being simply a
sex comic, is filled with symbolism and political themes.

Prosecutors didn't bother to cross-examine Napier, even though she had
deflated their obscenity case. Under U.S. law, for a work to be obscene it
must lack any serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value
when taken as a whole."

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>
> This Friday, August 15, is Fair And Balanced day on the Internet. You
are
> all hereby instructed to use the words Fair And Balanced in very
creative
> ways on your various websites.
>

Friday I will be busy running my
annual garage sale.  So . . .

Once at a county fair I saw a clown
who balanced a chair on his nose.

                         - D. M.

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On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:

> Well, there's the slight risk that I'll piss him off.  But the point of that
> batch of questions is to echo the kinds of questions he was asked several
> thousand times by interviewers for Tiger Beat, 16, etc. during the period
> when the band was neck and neck with the Beatles.

Oh, sorry, I forgot the premise.

I like this question, which I think Rolling Stone asks:  What's the
strangest sight you've ever seen in the audience?  I doubt if RS says "in
the audience" .

But that reminds me.  What's the nosh pit?  I mean, I think it's right
below the stage, but what does 'nosh' mean and is there really a pit?

Ann
never attended a rock concert

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On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> But that reminds me.  What's the nosh pit?  I mean, I think it's right
> below the stage, but what does 'nosh' mean and is there really a pit?

Nosh pit or mosh pit? Nosh pit is where you go to grab a bite to
eat...

Mosh pit has been around long enough to be in AHD: "An area in front
of a concert stage in which audience members mosh."

M-W defines mosh as "Etymology: perhaps alteration of mash or mush
Date: 1987
: to engage in uninhibited often frenzied activities (as intentional
collision) with others near the stage at a rock concert"

AHD defines mosh as "INTRANSITIVE VERB: To knock against others
intentionally while dancing at a rock concert; slam-dance. TRANSITIVE
VERB: To knock against (someone) intentionally while dancing at a rock
concert."

Wikipedia says, "Moshing is jumping around/pushing other people/going
crazy to loud "rock" or punk music. It is very popular amongst young
rock and metal fans, especially heavy and nu metal fans. Most
participants consider it lots of fun, but it can be dangerous to
people in and around the "mosh pit", and has resulted in serious
injuries and hospitalisation."

Karen

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On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> Well, there's the slight risk that I'll piss him off.  But the point of that
> batch of questions is to echo the kinds of questions he was asked several
> thousand times by interviewers for Tiger Beat, 16, etc. during the period
> when the band was neck and neck with the Beatles.

Are you going to tell him this, or just hope he gets it?

Karen

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On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Indeed. My first husband used to smoke it to calm the bronchiae or whatever
> during asthma attacks.

Bronchii. I can't imagine smoking anything during an asthma attack.

Karen

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> I don't love tornadoes. (Obviously.) But I like
> thunderstorms,
> especially when we haven't had any rain for ages.
>
> Karen,
> looking forward to more of the same today

And we are drowning due to record-setting rainfall,
and thus far, not one tornado on our street.


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On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> And we are drowning due to record-setting rainfall,
> and thus far, not one tornado on our street.

Lucky you!

One of the features I like about this house is that it has very deep
eaves; I've only had to close the windows once when it rained.

Karen

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Check out Google!

Karen

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On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> Mosh pit has been around long enough to be in AHD: "An area in front
> of a concert stage in which audience members mosh."
>
> M-W defines mosh as "Etymology: perhaps alteration of mash or mush
> Date: 1987
> : to engage in uninhibited often frenzied activities (as intentional
> collision) with others near the stage at a rock concert"

Perfect, thanks.

I like verbs with complexities like "with others near the stage at a
rock concert"

Ann

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Bethany K. Dumas writes,

>Where did you find the labels assumptive and neutral? I am interested ...

"Assumptive questioning" just popped into my head as things are wont to do
sometimes.  I just chose "neutral" to oppose "assumptive."

One one of the pages discussing "assumptive questioning," someone said they
thought of the approaches as "open" or "closed" questioning, which is also
descriptive, but not as specific.

Pete

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On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:37:50 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>> "Thinking of the "boy bands" that have followed you, (Menudo, Back Street
>> Boys, etc), how do you feel about having set the stage for this trend?
>
>But Herman's Hermits wasn't a boy band; this is kind of insulting.
>
>Karen

If you say so... I thought I remembered them being quite young when they
had their first hit.

clo

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On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:05:38 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>> Indeed. My first husband used to smoke it to calm the bronchiae or
whatever
>> during asthma attacks.
>
>Bronchii. I can't imagine smoking anything during an asthma attack.
>
>Karen

Yes, it's counterintuitive; yet it worked, and w/out health insurance or
money for prescription meds, it was cheap and relatively effective.

clo

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On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> If you say so... I thought I remembered them being quite young when they
> had their first hit.

I had to look it up. He was 15; I withdraw my objection. (I'm sure I
never realized he was younger than me at the time. Ewww!)

Karen

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On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Yes, it's counterintuitive; yet it worked, and w/out health insurance or
> money for prescription meds, it was cheap and relatively effective.

I wonder if a tisane would work as well.

Karen

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At 10:21 AM 8/13/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Check out Google!
>
>Karen

Nice.

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On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:12:22 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>> Yes, it's counterintuitive; yet it worked, and w/out health insurance or
>> money for prescription meds, it was cheap and relatively effective.
>
>P.S. Mention of coltsfoot always reminds me of Pollyanna.
>
>Speaking of which, can you let me know if you got my private mail? I
>seem to be losing a lot of private mail, which is (obviously) Not
>Good.
>
>Karen

Hmm. I sent you a brief email yesterday noonish, and was surprised that I
got no reply; how many have you sent since Sunday?

clo

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At 01:17 PM 8/13/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>Hmm. I sent you a brief email yesterday noonish, and was surprised that I
>got no reply; how many have you sent since Sunday?
>
>clo

It's a high average. :-)

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On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Hmm. I sent you a brief email yesterday noonish, and was surprised that I
> got no reply; how many have you sent since Sunday?

Don't know. Dammit! Some of this e-mail is about work.

Karen

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On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Yes, it's counterintuitive; yet it worked, and w/out health insurance or
> money for prescription meds, it was cheap and relatively effective.

P.S. Mention of coltsfoot always reminds me of Pollyanna.

Speaking of which, can you let me know if you got my private mail? I
seem to be losing a lot of private mail, which is (obviously) Not
Good.

Karen

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I think I've fixed me now.

Karen

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02003-08-12 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> bonniev wrote:
>
> >Peter, what were your first impressions of American audiences on college
> >campuses when you began to tour in the '60s?  Did you play large venues or
> >in more intimate settings?  Did any of your lead-in bands go on to make
> >it big?
>
>
> That reminds me.  We went to the Chicago concert this
> weekend, and they had a comic for the opening act.  Which
> would have been, hmm, marginally OK, except he was totally
> unfunny and was telling obscene jokes with a TON of little
> kids in the audience.  And then they came out like after
> 9pm, and played for a little over an hour.  The music was
> pretty good, though, and it did make me think of Tushar all
> night long...

Rita, you are married. I swan.

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>-----Original Message-----
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>I think I've fixed me now.
>
>Karen
>

Yay!!

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02003-08-13 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> But that reminds me.  What's the nosh pit?  I mean, I think it's right
> below the stage, but what does 'nosh' mean and is there really a pit?

Haaaaaaahahahahahahahaha!

I need a hug

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On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: English Language Discussion Group
>>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 1:51 PM
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>>
>>
>>I think I've fixed me now.
>>
>>Karen
>>

> Yay!!

Thank you, Alec.:)

Karen

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On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-08-13 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
>> But that reminds me.  What's the nosh pit?  I mean, I think it's right
>> below the stage, but what does 'nosh' mean and is there really a pit?

> Haaaaaaahahahahahahahaha!

> I need a hug

Or a nosh.

Karen

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> > I need a hug
>
> Or a nosh.
>
> Karen

Although somewhat untidy, these activities may be
combined.


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On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:51:07 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>I think I've fixed me now.
>
>Karen

Meanwhile my email is wonky. If you don't hear from me, assume it's me.
If you don't hear from me by Friday, assume I am standing in the open
square rending my garments and pouring ashes on my head due to email
withdrawal.

clo

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02003-08-12 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>        Actually, I waxed it because the peacock at the riding stable
> is in love with the truck, and Ana's riding lesson is
> tomorrow.  I thought the truck should look her shiniest best
> for her date.  This is as close to a normal childhood as I
> can manage for Ana.

I am sure you had a bless day.

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In a message dated 8/13/2003 3:44:42 PM Central Daylight Time, 
aborkin@RAHUL.NET writes:
<<
Our office was at a standstill for about 3 hours before deworming.

>>

I hope they find out whoever wrote this worm and castrate him/them

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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>If you don't hear from me by Friday, assume I am standing in the open
>square rending my garments and pouring ashes on my head due to email
>withdrawal.

>clo

I find "email withdrawal" increasingly energizing.

AS

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>I'm glad that the two of you got into the cool waters of the Atlantic and
that the magic of this island touched you.

Oh, spew!

Well ........ did it?

AS

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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Our office was at a standstill for about 3 hours before deworming.

Ann

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Alec:

>Yay!!

No, that's "YaY!!"

AS

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02003-08-13 | Amy Burns Short <amy.short@MURRAYSTATE.EDU> writes:
> >If you don't hear from me by Friday, assume I am standing in the open
> >square rending my garments and pouring ashes on my head due to email
> >withdrawal.
>
> >clo
>
> I find "email withdrawal" increasingly energizing.

Please don't put ideas in her head ... we want a garment and ashes
scene ...

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02003-08-13 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> Our office was at a standstill for about 3 hours before deworming.

RedHat 4ever YO

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Amy Burns Short wrote:

>>I'm glad that the two of you got into the cool waters of the Atlantic and
>>
> that the magic of this island touched you.
>
> Oh, spew!
>
> Well ........ did it?


        Yes.  Sometimes I drop the cynicism and let myself be a big,
fat sap.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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        We took Ana to the Museum of Science in Boston, and in the
computer exhibit was a floppy disk *under glass* containing
the code for the Robert Morris sendmail worm.  Oh, it was a
rich moment.

Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 8/13/2003 3:44:42 PM Central Daylight Time,
> aborkin@RAHUL.NET writes:
> <<
> Our office was at a standstill for about 3 hours before deworming.
>
>
>
> I hope they find out whoever wrote this worm and castrate him/them
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
> life:  music and cats."
> --Albert Schweitzer
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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--On Thursday, August 07, 2003 11:11 PM +0000 Rashmi Murthy
<rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:

> I found a new job right here in Glasgow, Delaware.


Congratulations! and enjoy your trip!

Terry

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--On Sunday, August 10, 2003 4:46 PM -0500 Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
wrote:

> "The King Ranch is about the size of Rhode Island."
>
> Is there anything RI hasn't been compared to?!
>

It's the only way we can get noticed, ummm, well maybe not, there is that
Providence thing and that mayor thing, and that Narragansett Indian
thing.....


Terry

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--On Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:43 PM -0500 Karen Kay
<Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>> Is everyone still on for Sunday in Santa Rosa?
>
> I'll be there--in spirit.
>
> Karen

We'll miss you, I'll let you know how your spirit appeared.

Terry

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--On Wednesday, August 13, 2003 1:06 AM -0700 Neal Traven
<beisbol@ALUMNI.PITT.EDU> wrote:

> Oh no!?!  I can't get away this weekend ... in the silent auction
> fundraiser for the 36th Legislative District Democrats, I offered the
> opportunity to see a Mariners game with "a baseball expert", and the
> winner and I had agreed on this Sunday's game against the Red Sox.
>

Well, the Sox aren't doing so well against the A's, they're doing that late
season lame playing bit again.  Maybe the 'expert' has some insight into
this 11th hour failure rate of theirs.

Sorry I'll miss you, enjoy the game.

Terru

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At 03:16 PM 8/13/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:

>I find "email withdrawal" increasingly energizing.

May you continue to increasingly do so.

cwv

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         I saw a narrative on a web page that talked about being
> assigned names at those mission schools they forced the
> children to go to.

That sounds quite likely.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Speaking of which, can you let me know if you got my private mail? I
> seem to be losing a lot of private mail, which is (obviously) Not
> Good.

I'm finding some oddities also -- e-mail from people asking me why I
haven't communicated in several days when I have in fact done so, no
replies at all to mail I would have expected to have gotten quick
replies to, etc.  Something feels very much amiss, both at this address
and at my Ra address.

I'm wondering if the rampant worm is eating guts out of servers,
swallowing mail as it chomps.  I find that bothersome, to say the least.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>I hope they find out whoever wrote this worm and castrate him/them
>Evelyn Duncan

No, no.  We are supposed to direct our ill will at Bill Gates for releasing
software that is vulnerable to such attacks.


bonnie

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>I find "email withdrawal" increasingly energizing.

>May you continue to increasingly do so.

>cwv

Surge and purge!

AS

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> Well ........ did it?


>        Yes.  Sometimes I drop the cynicism and let myself be a big, fat
sap.

Good for you!

AS

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> I find "email withdrawal" increasingly energizing.

>Please don't put ideas in her head ... we want a garment and ashes
scene ...

So let it be written, so let it be done.

AS

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On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I'm wondering if the rampant worm is eating guts out of servers,
> swallowing mail as it chomps.  I find that bothersome, to say the least.

In my case, it was a problem with filters.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > I'm wondering if the rampant worm is eating guts out of servers,
> > swallowing mail as it chomps.  I find that bothersome, to say the least.
>
> In my case, it was a problem with filters.

Mine isn't filters.  And it's from various accounts.  Words-L mail seems
to be fine, but something else is out of kilter.

Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure that the father of my bastard gg-grandfather
was married to the sister of the bastard's mother.  This stuff is
fascinating.  Wish I could go back in a time machine and spend a few
days with these people -- to observe how they all got along, etc.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>         Perrier comes flavored with lemon or lime.  I like to drink
> that during the summer.

One of my favorite drinks used to be limeade concentrate mixed with lime
seltzer.

Right now I'm drinking a diet lime green tea Snapple.

I really like lime.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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Adam Hartfield writes,

>One of my favorite drinks used to be limeade concentrate mixed with lime
>seltzer.

Weird how synchronicity works.  I've been drinking various fruit juices
with seltzer this summer, but last night while buying a few cans of
lemonade concentrate for a change, and decided to pick up one can of
limeade as well.  So I'm sipping limeade concentrate with seltzer right now. :)

It's fun, but I think I like lemonade better.

Pete

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:36:52 -0500
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Did we get one yet?

Karen

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Excerpt from the online petition against:

>We, the undersigned, believe that public school science classes should
>teach science -- even in cases where some religious beliefs conflict with
>scientific consensus.
>
>The Houston Chronicle reported on August 8, 2003 that Holt, Rinehart &
>Winston, a leading publisher of textbooks in America, has modified a
>biology textbook to include the introduction of "Intelligent Design"
>creationist theories. The change was made in response to pressure from the
>Texas State Board of Education to make the text more friendly to Christian
>theology.

Rest of petition + links at <http://www.petitiononline.com/textbook/>.

Pete

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        That sounds pretty good, except I don't like sweet drinks
much (except for frappes).  I wish Polar was distributed out
here -- their lime seltzer is pretty good and much, much
cheaper than Perrier and Pellegrino.  Actually, Polar used
to make a mint seltzer that was superb.

Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Adam Hartfield writes,
>
>> One of my favorite drinks used to be limeade concentrate mixed with lime
>> seltzer.
>
>
> Weird how synchronicity works.  I've been drinking various fruit juices
> with seltzer this summer, but last night while buying a few cans of
> lemonade concentrate for a change, and decided to pick up one can of
> limeade as well.  So I'm sipping limeade concentrate with seltzer right
> now. :)
>
> It's fun, but I think I like lemonade better.
>
> Pete
>


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> I really like lime.

Limey?


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> to make a mint seltzer that was superb.

!!! My absolute favorite.

--Adam
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> > I really like lime.
>
> Limey?

Nah, German/Austrian/Hungarian/English/French mutt.

--Adam
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>
> Nah, German/Austrian/Hungarian/English/French mutt.

No improvements required.

BTW, where is Marty with his "special report"?  We are
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The weather has been wonderful, the cuisine superb, and the outings
divine -- typical times with the John-Amy-Carl clan.

Holiday trips are booked, other venues scrutinized, and still other plans
for <changes> are beginning to take form.

AS

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> The weather has been wonderful, the cuisine superb, and the outings
> divine -- typical times with the John-Amy-Carl clan.
>
> Holiday trips are booked, other venues scrutinized, and still other plans
> for <changes> are beginning to take form.

Indeed. When do we get to see pictures of you all together?

--Adam
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 The weather has been wonderful, the cuisine superb, and the outings
> divine -- typical times with the John-Amy-Carl clan.
>
> Holiday trips are booked, other venues scrutinized, and still other plans
> for <changes> are beginning to take form.


>Indeed. When do we get to see pictures of you all together?


>--Adam

Some of you already have!

AS

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>02003-08-13 | Amy Burns Short <amy.short@MURRAYSTATE.EDU> writes:
>> >If you don't hear from me by Friday, assume I am standing in the open
>> >square rending my garments and pouring ashes on my head due to email
>> >withdrawal.
>>
>> >clo
>>
>> I find "email withdrawal" increasingly energizing.
>
>Please don't put ideas in her head ... we want a garment and ashes
>scene ...

I promise to be very energetic. Have you ever tried to rend garments? It
ain't as easy as it looks.

clo

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:06:26 -0400
From: Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU>
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:28:02 -0400, bonniev <bonniev@GWI.NET> wrote:

>>I hope they find out whoever wrote this worm and castrate him/them
>>Evelyn Duncan
>
>No, no.  We are supposed to direct our ill will at Bill Gates for releasing
>software that is vulnerable to such attacks.
>
>
>bonnie

Or, as some might say, proving his point: had he the right to push install
patches, we would all be safe!

clo

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On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:45:12 -0500, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
wrote:

>Karen Kay wrote:
>> > I'm wondering if the rampant worm is eating guts out of servers,
>> > swallowing mail as it chomps.  I find that bothersome, to say the
least.
>>
>> In my case, it was a problem with filters.
>
>Mine isn't filters.  And it's from various accounts.  Words-L mail seems
>to be fine, but something else is out of kilter.
>
>Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure that the father of my bastard gg-grandfather
>was married to the sister of the bastard's mother.  This stuff is
>fascinating.  Wish I could go back in a time machine and spend a few
>days with these people -- to observe how they all got along, etc.
>
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Yes! My grandmother's aunt met my grandfather's brother at a Xmas party,
went home with her and her husband, and fathered ALL her children... so the
story goes. At any rate, my gmother was mortified and never spoke of it; I
gather that it was she who went upstairs and discovered the affinity. But
the three lived together for as long as they all lived.

clo

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In order of occurrence:

1.  Miscreant picked up on Failure to Appear warrant
is found to be in possession of drugs and
paraphernalia, which makes him now an alleged felon.
Alleged felon threatens to hang himself.  Although
there are no means at his disposal with which to do
so, or otherwise to do himself an injury, policy
dictates that the "mental health people" be summoned.
In this neck of the woods, the "mental health people"
are as crazy as betsy bugs themselves.  This
particular "mental" guy is new and cannot find the
jail.  Officers are once more reduced to directing
traffic.  Result:  alleged felon is still with us.

2.  The house of the grandfather of one of dispatchers
burns down.  Struck by lightning, they say.  Not a
cloud in the sky.  This cries out for further
investigation.  Meanwhile, the supervisor of
dispatchers flies to the scene of the fire, and
reports back to the Chief that the "old man seems
okay, but may have a broken hip".  We feel bless that
the old man is really "okay".  Result:  hysterical
dispatcher.

3.  The same supervisor of dispatchers accuses one of
his charges of being a sneak.  (She went with her beef
to the President of the City Council.)  The Chief of
Police has an open door policy, which today
he bitterly regrets.  He tries to make peace even as
epithets are exchanged, the dispatcher quits on the
spot.  That leaves us  two dispatchers short, as
another is on medical leave with a broken leg
sustained when he crashed into a pier on a Seadoo.
Result: manpower shortage in Dispatch for the
foreseeable future.

4.  I get stuck in the elevator between the basement
and the first floor.  I would not mind this so much,
but it is very close to 5:00.  Seems all the phones in
the complex died at the same moment the elevator did.
After 10 minutes of pressing the alarm button, I am
rescued.  Result:  very glad to be home, and I may not
go back tomorrow.

But, life is good.

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On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>rescued.  Result:  very glad to be home, and I may not
>go back tomorrow.

Good idea!

Bethany

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On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, Terry Wild wrote:
> --On Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:43 PM -0500 Karen Kay
> <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>>> Is everyone still on for Sunday in Santa Rosa?
>>
>> I'll be there--in spirit.
>>
>> Karen

> We'll miss you, I'll let you know how your spirit appeared.

Thanks.:) I do hope you enjoy your trip. Don't let Betty wear you out!

Karen

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On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, Terry Wild wrote:
> --On Sunday, August 10, 2003 4:46 PM -0500 Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> wrote:

>> "The King Ranch is about the size of Rhode Island."
>>
>> Is there anything RI hasn't been compared to?!
>>

> It's the only way we can get noticed, ummm, well maybe not, there is that
> Providence thing and that mayor thing, and that Narragansett Indian
> thing.....

What Narragansett Indian thing?

Karen

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>Our office was at a standstill for about 3 hours before deworming.
>
>Ann

What a wonderful chance to goof off on company time!

Anyway, the patch for this was released almost a month ago.  Any sysadmin
who heard the words "root exploit" and did not quake in his or her boots
would do well to hang up his or her spurs, unless he or she was overruled
by the PHBs or user inertia.

Ken Miller
Simon Travaglia School of System Administration

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On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, Bookrat wrote:
> would do well to hang up his or her spurs, unless he or she was overruled
> by the PHBs or user inertia.

PHBs? Powers Have Been?

Karen

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>> would do well to hang up his or her spurs, unless he or she was overruled
>> by the PHBs or user inertia.
>
>PHBs? Powers Have Been?
>
>Karen

Pointy-Haired Bosses.  From the Dilbert lexicon.

Obviously you are not a member of DNRC.  Don't even ask me to explain that
one, on peril of being unmasked as an Induhvidual.

Ken Miller
Dogbert School of Management

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Bookrat writes,

>unless he or she was overruled by the PHBs or user inertia.

User inertia doesn't count, because a firewall should have been in place to
block any infection from the wild.  And there should be a firewall in
place, even if it means routing around PHBs.

Pete

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'Supah!   Dudette in the red'at...  We be fine, in spite of our poor
ebonics...  I hope Terry has a great time wiff yall... what the fucks up
now!

I hope ya keep us all abreast o'da goings on.. What 'chew tripping foo'?

'Your nigga, Al what the fuck sup now?

***

ok, I found an ebonics/Tushar filter... and I ran a few strings...

'Guilty!


----- Original Message -----
From: "Betty" <bclark@uclink.berkeley.edu>
To: "Alan Wild" <awild@uri.edu>
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 11:02 PM
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> One of yours.  :-)
>
> Hope your family is doing okay.  Hang in there!
>
> Betty

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>User inertia doesn't count, because a firewall should have been in place to
>block any infection from the wild.  And there should be a firewall in
>place, even if it means routing around PHBs.
>
>Pete

I can't speak to the specifics of La Borinki's workplace, but in general,
the firewall as we used to know it has pretty much gone the way of the
moated castle.

On the one hand, there's the growing ubiquity of wireless access points,
many of them wide-open.  War-walking through my building, I discovered
eight external APs.  I didn't probe them for security, because that would
be a different kettle of legal and ethical fish, but I can't guarantee that
someone from my user-base isn't using one of them from his or her
dual-homed notebook computer.

And on the other hand, there are all of those notebook computers.  I have
no control over where they may have been and what nasty worms or viruses
they may have picked up before they, quite legitimately and with every
expectation of full service, plug into our behind-the-firewall private
network.

I don't have a ready answer to the problem of network security in a
post-firewall society.  But I am convinced that, nowadays, any sysadmin who
is relying on firewalls for network security is in the same situation as a
Polish cavalry officer in 1937.

Ken Miller
Technoannalist
William S. Huskisson Centre for Neoludditic Studies

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=
= But that reminds me.  What's the nosh pit?  I mean, I think it's right
= below the stage, but what does 'nosh' mean and is there really a pit?
=
= Ann
= never attended a rock concert

The nosh pit?  That's the fray in front of the buffet at a Jewish wedding.

Ok, who'd I clone.

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02003-08-13 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> Bookrat writes,
>
> >unless he or she was overruled by the PHBs or user inertia.
>
> User inertia doesn't count, because a firewall should have been in place to
> block any infection from the wild.  And there should be a firewall in
> place, even if it means routing around PHBs.

Pete,

Shut up and "hang up your spurs".

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02003-08-13 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>        That sounds pretty good, except I don't like sweet drinks
> much (except for frappes).  I wish Polar was distributed out
> here -- their lime seltzer is pretty good and much, much
> cheaper than Perrier and Pellegrino.  Actually, Polar used
> to make a mint seltzer that was superb.

... this is Rita Rouvalis Chapman, live from WKRP

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02003-08-14 | Alan Wild <awild@URI.EDU> writes:
> 'Supah!   Dudette in the red'at...  We be fine, in spite of our poor
> ebonics...  I hope Terry has a great time wiff yall... what the fucks up
> now!
>
> I hope ya keep us all abreast o'da goings on.. What 'chew tripping foo'?
>
> 'Your nigga, Al what the fuck sup now?
>
> ***
>
> ok, I found an ebonics/Tushar filter... and I ran a few strings...
>
> 'Guilty!

Don't feel bad ... at least you located the most laughable filter ever!

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Bookrat writes,

>And on the other hand, there are all of those notebook computers.  I have
>no control over where they may have been and what nasty worms or viruses
>they may have picked up before they, quite legitimately and with every
>expectation of full service, plug into our behind-the-firewall private
>network.

Good point.

>I don't have a ready answer to the problem of network security in a
>post-firewall society.

ACL-based filtering in the switches:
<http://www.extremenetworks.com/services/news/article4.asp>.  I'll grant
that getting budget for decent switches past a PHB might be tricky,
although I suspect they're cheap compared with 2 hours of downtime for the
whole staff, not to mention the costs of a really nasty worm.

User-based policies will probably end up being part of the mix, too.

Pete

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>I don't have a ready answer to the problem of network security in a
>post-firewall society.  But I am convinced that, nowadays, any sysadmin who
>is relying on firewalls for network security is in the same situation as a
>Polish cavalry officer in 1937.
>Ken Miller

The Internet Cafe here in Bar Harbor got hit by the recent attack.  They
had a similar view of fire walls  --  that they are outdated and not worth
much.  It didn't take much for the techie to fix the machines although he
did have to clean some hard drives and reinstall programs.


bonnie

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Your list mail is bouncing wildly as your account is "over quota" - so I set
you to nomail. I hope you see this in the archives since you won't see the
email notification of the change.

--Adam
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>>> clostran@SYR.EDU 08/13/03 10:04PM >>>
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:12:25 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
wrote:

>02003-08-13 | Amy Burns Short <amy.short@MURRAYSTATE.EDU> writes:
>> >If you don't hear from me by Friday, assume I am standing in the open
>> >square rending my garments and pouring ashes on my head due to email
>> >withdrawal.
>>
>> >clo
>>
>> I find "email withdrawal" increasingly energizing.
>
>Please don't put ideas in her head ... we want a garment and ashes
>scene ...

I promise to be very energetic. Have you ever tried to rend garments? It
ain't as easy as it looks.

clo

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If you work at it until you collapse would that make you a render unto seizure?
 
BrP
 
 
 

>>> clostran@SYR.EDU 08/13/03 10:04PM >>>
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I promise to be very energetic. Have you ever tried to rend garments? It
ain't as easy as it looks.

clo

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At 08:46 PM 8/13/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:
>  The weather has been wonderful, the cuisine superb, and the outings
> > divine -- typical times with the John-Amy-Carl clan.
> >
> > Holiday trips are booked, other venues scrutinized, and still other plans
> > for <changes> are beginning to take form.
>
>
> >Indeed. When do we get to see pictures of you all together?
>
>
> >--Adam
>
>Some of you already have!
>
>AS

Cute couple!!  Has Marty figured out why JMW is in Kentucky yet?

Betty

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A longtime parishioner at St. John's, widowed last year, is moving to TX
soon and is having an estate sale next week - selling all her furniture -
at bargain prices, she says. I will go over soon to look at it. I may have
to violate that rule that says live with the new place a year before
buying new furniture. (Of course, the rule may apply only to people who
own old furniture - does anyone know?)

Bethany

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On Thursday, August 14, 2003, steph wrote:
> =
> = But that reminds me.  What's the nosh pit?  I mean, I think it's right
> = below the stage, but what does 'nosh' mean and is there really a pit?
> =
> = Ann
> = never attended a rock concert

> The nosh pit?  That's the fray in front of the buffet at a Jewish wedding.

> Ok, who'd I clone.

Buddy Hackett?

Karen

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On Thursday, August 14, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> I may have to violate that rule that says live with the new place a
> year before buying new furniture. (Of course, the rule may apply
> only to people who own old furniture - does anyone know?)

I never heard of this rule. I started buying used furniture well
within the first year I was here.

Karen

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>to violate that rule that says live with the new place a year before
>buying new furniture. (Of course, the rule may apply only to people who
>own old furniture - does anyone know?)         --Bethany

The rule applies only to people who already have furniture.  The reason for
the rule is that after a number of months living in a space you begin to
realize what would be nice to have and what would be nice to get rid of and
what arrangement is best with traffic flow.  You may disregard the rule at
will because you are a woman who knows her own mind.


bonnie

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On Thursday, August 14, 2003, bonniev wrote:
> The rule applies only to people who already have furniture.  The reason for
> the rule is that after a number of months living in a space you begin to
> realize what would be nice to have and what would be nice to get rid of and
> what arrangement is best with traffic flow.  You may disregard the rule at
> will because you are a woman who knows her own mind.

I remember Alyce telling me about this rule for gardens. But I ignored
it and I'm not sorry.

Karen

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It makes more sense for gardens than furniture.  Once the couch is in the corner, it isn't likely that a chair will sprout up and crowd it out.
 
BrP
 
 


>>> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM 08/14/03 10:59AM >>>
On Thursday, August 14, 2003, bonniev wrote:
> The rule applies only to people who already have furniture.  The reason for
> the rule is that after a number of months living in a space you begin to
> realize what would be nice to have and what would be nice to get rid of and
> what arrangement is best with traffic flow.  You may disregard the rule at
> will because you are a woman who knows her own mind.

I remember Alyce telling me about this rule for gardens. But I ignored
it and I'm not sorry.

Karen

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        I buy furniture if, when, and how I want.  It's my house, my
rules.

Karen Kay wrote:

> On Thursday, August 14, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>
>>I may have to violate that rule that says live with the new place a
>>year before buying new furniture. (Of course, the rule may apply
>>only to people who own old furniture - does anyone know?)
>>
>
> I never heard of this rule. I started buying used furniture well
> within the first year I was here.
>
> Karen
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> I may have to violate that rule that says live with the new place a
>> year before buying new furniture. (Of course, the rule may apply
>> only to people who own old furniture - does anyone know?)
>
>I never heard of this rule. I started buying used furniture well
>within the first year I was here.

My agent has now assured me that the rule does not apply to individuals
moving into 3100 sq ft of living space!

And - the owner of the furniture has just invited me to preview what is
for sale after the movers take the stuff she is keeping tomorrow. My
agent has offered to go with me, so we'll go over on the weekend.

Apparently, most of the furniture is Ethan Allen. That does not mean a
lot to me, but I'll check the web.

Bethany

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On Thursday, August 14, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> My agent has now assured me that the rule does not apply to individuals
> moving into 3100 sq ft of living space!

I tripled my living space, so I was in sort of the same situation.

> Apparently, most of the furniture is Ethan Allen. That does not mean a
> lot to me, but I'll check the web.

Some Ethan Allen is quite nice.

Karen

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02003-08-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Some Ethan Allen is quite nice.

It's arrogant in the extreme to make a universal statement
like this, Karen.

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On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, bonniev wrote:

>The rule applies only to people who already have furniture.  The reason for
>the rule is that after a number of months living in a space you begin to
>realize what would be nice to have and what would be nice to get rid of and
>what arrangement is best with traffic flow.  You may disregard the rule at
>will because you are a woman who knows her own mind.

Thank you, Bonnie!

I see my mortgage guys this afternoon - after that, I hope to know how
much cash I have available - I have been hoarding every penny for the
closing.

Bethany

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> > The rule applies only to people who already have furniture.  The reason for
> > the rule is that after a number of months living in a space you begin to
> > realize what would be nice to have and what would be nice to get rid of and
> > what arrangement is best with traffic flow.
>
>I remember Alyce telling me about this rule for gardens. But I ignored
>it and I'm not sorry.       --Karen

It took me more than a year to come up with the best furniture arrangement
for my living room.  When I finally settled on something, I gave away a
large square coffee table with its matching sofa table and bought two side
tables.  All the rest of the furniture fit just fine.

Often there is some piece of furniture that you wouldn't part with and must
simply arrange around.  I don't see myself ever parting with the old wooden
crates that hold our TV and components.  They have a lot of charm and
meaning for me.  I found them in the basement of our Oak Ridge house.  They
were the WWII army packing crates that belonged to the first owner of that
Oak Ridge house, an Army dentist named Colonel Mayberry.


bonnie

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>It makes more sense for gardens than furniture.  Once the couch is in
the corner, it isn't likely that a chair will sprout up and crowd it out.

Nice image, though!

Bethany

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> > Apparently, most of the furniture is Ethan Allen. That does not mean a
> > lot to me, but I'll check the web.
>
>Some Ethan Allen is quite nice.
>Karen

And most of it is quite expensive and well-made.


bonnie

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On Thursday, August 14, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-08-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Some Ethan Allen is quite nice.

> It's arrogant in the extreme to make a universal statement
> like this, Karen.

Tushar, go pick on someone who cares.

Karen

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From: Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:15 pm
Subject: Just Another Day at the Sty

> In order of occurrence:
>

>
> But, life is good.

You might enjoy reading the creative writing on the police blotter in
the Arcata Eye.

JMW

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On Thursday, August 14, 2003, bonniev wrote:
> It took me more than a year to come up with the best furniture arrangement
> for my living room.  When I finally settled on something, I gave away a
> large square coffee table with its matching sofa table and bought two side
> tables.  All the rest of the furniture fit just fine.

I think long, narrow rooms like that are difficult, and I think you
did the right thing. I have friends who have a narrower living room
than yours, and they do have a large square coffee table in it, and it
looks kind of weird. Their room is much more cluttered, overall,
though.

My living room is hexagonal, and I haven't quite figured out how to
deal with it. I should probably divide it up into spaces, but I'm not
sure what spaces.

Karen

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Thursday, August 14, 2003, 10:04:26 AM, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> It makes more sense for gardens than furniture. Once the couch is in
> the corner, it isn't likely that a chair will sprout up and crowd it
> out.

But there are always volunteers--I have a volunteer pecan in the back.

Karen

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Anna Borinki is showing this but I keep thinking of it and wondering about
the individual women, etc., so I think others here will find this series
of pictures of 4 sisters aging, of interest too.

http://www.zabriskiegallery.com/Nixon/sisters75to79.htm

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On Thursday, August 14, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> Anna Borinki is showing this but I keep thinking of it and wondering about
> the individual women, etc., so I think others here will find this series
> of pictures of 4 sisters aging, of interest too.

> http://www.zabriskiegallery.com/Nixon/sisters75to79.htm

cannot be displayed. But I can't even see the main page, either.

Karen

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'Very engaging... inspiring even.

'Alan


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> Anna Borinki is showing this but I keep thinking of it and wondering about
> the individual women, etc., so I think others here will find this series
> of pictures of 4 sisters aging, of interest too.
>
> http://www.zabriskiegallery.com/Nixon/sisters75to79.htm

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On Thursday, August 14, 2003, Alan Wild wrote:
> 'Very engaging... inspiring even.

> 'Alan

Why can't I see them?!

Karen

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I'll post the transcript later (the courier-journal will run only part, but
you'll get everything I saw fit to transcribe).  For the moment, I can
report that he was a very good sport, had a good sense of humor, and has no
plans to run for governor.  "Politics is show business for ugly people," he
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>Did we get one yet?
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Have you shared your kentucky travel plans?


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> > In order of occurrence:
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> >
> > But, life is good.
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>You might enjoy reading the creative writing on the police blotter in
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>Anna Borinki is showing this but I keep thinking of it and wondering about
>the individual women, etc., so I think others here will find this series
>of pictures of 4 sisters aging, of interest too.
>
>http://www.zabriskiegallery.com/Nixon/sisters75to79.htm

Yes, fascinating.  One of the sisters, second from the right, seems to have
aged more than the others.  No question that she is the oldest.


bonnie

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Here is what I am moving into:

LR 34.6 x 18 (w/decorative fireplace)
DR 17.2 x 13.4
RR (den) 10.9 x 15
MBr 30 x 12
BR2 11.4 x 15
BR3 10.4 x 15 (probably to be study)

Other than appliances, I own one sofa, one small round table, a few
chairs, a few small tables, many <bookcases> - and some work tables,
filing cabinets, desks, etc. I may be able to keep what Kyle and Gloria
gave me - his exec desk, 2 decorative chairs, the round table mentioned
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I expect the place to look like a museum for a while - I own a lot of
paintings, many of them quite large, and a few pieces of sculpture,
notably a very large bronze Buddha.

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>Anna Borinki is showing this but I keep thinking of it and wondering about
>the individual women, etc., so I think others here will find this series
>of pictures of 4 sisters aging, of interest too.
>
>http://www.zabriskiegallery.com/Nixon/sisters75to79.htm

I'll bet the second from the left is the youngest.  And the ones on the
ends could be twins.


bonnie

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>Anna Borinki is showing this but I keep thinking of it and wondering about
>the individual women, etc., so I think others here will find this series
>of pictures of 4 sisters aging, of interest too.
>
>http://www.zabriskiegallery.com/Nixon/sisters75to79.htm

Interesting that only on one of the pictures do any of them look pregnant.


bonnie

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> On Thursday, August 14, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > Anna Borinki is showing this but I keep thinking of it and wondering
about
> > the individual women, etc., so I think others here will find this
series
> > of pictures of 4 sisters aging, of interest too.
>
> > http://www.zabriskiegallery.com/Nixon/sisters75to79.htm
>
> cannot be displayed. But I can't even see the main page, either.
>
> Karen

Came right up for me.
Only four years shown . . that's not much <aging>.

               - D. M.

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>
> Came right up for me.
> Only four years shown . . that's not much <aging>.
>
>                - D. M.

Hit the 'next' button.  You'll find 25 years.

Ann

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>Came right up for me.
>Only four years shown . . that's not much <aging>.
>                - D. M.

You have to hit "next".  It goes from 1975 to 1999.


bonnie

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On Thursday, August 14, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> Came right up for me.
> Only four years shown . . that's not much <aging>.

Interesting; I get the error in both Netscape and IE.

Karen

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On Thursday, August 14, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> I'll post the transcript later (the courier-journal will run only part, but
> you'll get everything I saw fit to transcribe).

YaY! Thank you.

> For the moment, I can report that he was a very good sport, had a
> good sense of humor, and has no plans to run for governor. "Politics
> is show business for ugly people," he said.

LOL.

So when can I expect e-mail from him?

Karen

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He is a bit behind in his email, he told me, because he just finished taping
this pbs thing.  Of course, by words-l standards, he's hardly in too deep.
His backlog yesterday as he was talking with me was 4,507 messages.  I
expect he'll contact you in the next day or two.


>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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>Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:21:19 -0500
>
>On Thursday, August 14, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> > I'll post the transcript later (the courier-journal will run only part,
>but
> > you'll get everything I saw fit to transcribe).
>
>YaY! Thank you.
>
> > For the moment, I can report that he was a very good sport, had a
> > good sense of humor, and has no plans to run for governor. "Politics
> > is show business for ugly people," he said.
>
>LOL.
>
>So when can I expect e-mail from him?
>
>Karen

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I also passed along email addresses for Espen and Bonnie.  I'll be quite
interested in learning whether he actually responds.


>From: Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Peter Noone Report?
>Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:40:57 -0400
>
>He is a bit behind in his email, he told me, because he just finished
>taping
>this pbs thing.  Of course, by words-l standards, he's hardly in too deep.
>His backlog yesterday as he was talking with me was 4,507 messages.  I
>expect he'll contact you in the next day or two.
>
>
>>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: Re: Peter Noone Report?
>>Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:21:19 -0500
>>
>>On Thursday, August 14, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
>> > I'll post the transcript later (the courier-journal will run only part,
>>but
>> > you'll get everything I saw fit to transcribe).
>>
>>YaY! Thank you.
>>
>> > For the moment, I can report that he was a very good sport, had a
>> > good sense of humor, and has no plans to run for governor. "Politics
>> > is show business for ugly people," he said.
>>
>>LOL.
>>
>>So when can I expect e-mail from him?
>>
>>Karen
>
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:15:32 -0700, Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
wrote:

>In order of occurrence:
>
>1.  Miscreant picked up on Failure to Appear warrant
>is found to be in possession of drugs and
>paraphernalia, which makes him now an alleged felon.
>Alleged felon threatens to hang himself.  Although
>there are no means at his disposal with which to do
>so, or otherwise to do himself an injury, policy
>dictates that the "mental health people" be summoned.
>In this neck of the woods, the "mental health people"
>are as crazy as betsy bugs themselves.  This
>particular "mental" guy is new and cannot find the
>jail.  Officers are once more reduced to directing
>traffic.  Result:  alleged felon is still with us.
>

I take this to mean that, had he been moved, he might have found a way to
do himself the threatened injury; hence, he is still "with us" and owes his
life to the failure of the "betsy bug" newbie to arrive. I will treasure
this phrase as long as I live. Betsy bug. Betsy bug. It has such a cuddly
sensibility!


>2.  The house of the grandfather of one of dispatchers
>burns down.  Struck by lightning, they say.  Not a
>cloud in the sky.  This cries out for further
>investigation.  Meanwhile, the supervisor of
>dispatchers flies to the scene of the fire, and
>reports back to the Chief that the "old man seems
>okay, but may have a broken hip".  We feel bless that
>the old man is really "okay".  Result:  hysterical
>dispatcher.
>

The supervisor of dispatchers also seems to be crazy as some kind of bug,
but one much less sensitive to fellow crazies. Put him/her in with the
felon; they can fell bless together!


>3.  The same supervisor of dispatchers accuses one of
>his charges of being a sneak.  (She went with her beef
>to the President of the City Council.)  The Chief of
>Police has an open door policy, which today
>he bitterly regrets.  He tries to make peace even as
>epithets are exchanged, the dispatcher quits on the
>spot.  That leaves us  two dispatchers short, as
>another is on medical leave with a broken leg
>sustained when he crashed into a pier on a Seadoo.
>Result: manpower shortage in Dispatch for the
>foreseeable future.
>
>4.  I get stuck in the elevator between the basement
>and the first floor.  I would not mind this so much,
>but it is very close to 5:00.  Seems all the phones in
>the complex died at the same moment the elevator did.
>After 10 minutes of pressing the alarm button, I am
>rescued.  Result:  very glad to be home, and I may not
>go back tomorrow.
>

Have a bless day.

clo

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On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:37:30 -0400, Paul Barfoot <Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU> wrote:

>
>If you work at it until you collapse would that make you a render unto
seizure?
>
>BrP
>
And you a render-bender for egging me on!
clo
PS Don't spend 'em all in one place!

>
>
>>>> clostran@SYR.EDU 08/13/03 10:04PM >>>
>On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:12:25 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
>wrote:
>
>
>I promise to be very energetic. Have you ever tried to rend garments? It
>ain't as easy as it looks.
>
>clo

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On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:06:19 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas
<dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> wrote:

>>It makes more sense for gardens than furniture.  Once the couch is in
>the corner, it isn't likely that a chair will sprout up and crowd it out.
>
>Nice image, though!
>
>Bethany

This did happen in our case. Want a free couch? Come on over and pick it up!
clo

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Four words have been voted over here as currently
the most inane:

* Favelet
* Blogdex
* ShoutCast
* The phrase "Personal Firewall"

Thanks ...

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Ann Borkin:
= Anna Borinki is showing this but I keep thinking of it and wondering about
= the individual women, etc., so I think others here will find this series
= of pictures of 4 sisters aging, of interest too.
=
= http://www.zabriskiegallery.com/Nixon/sisters75to79.htm

what do you think of the 1984 picture?  Ah, he's done the same
thing in 1996.

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=
= Now I can see them, but I can't see 1985. This is weird.
=
= Karen

No, 1985 is 404.

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02003-08-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Choose your bride!
>
> http://www.zabriskiegallery.com/Sawada%202003/OMIAI/Omiai.htm#

Do I have to post my choice?

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>Now I can see them, but I can't see 1985. This is weird.
>Karen

I can't see 1985 either.


bonnie

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Choose your bride!

http://www.zabriskiegallery.com/Sawada%202003/OMIAI/Omiai.htm#

Karen

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On Thursday, August 14, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-08-14 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Choose your bride!
>>
>> http://www.zabriskiegallery.com/Sawada%202003/OMIAI/Omiai.htm#

> Do I have to post my choice?

No--I know you would choose me if you could.

Karen

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>= http://www.zabriskiegallery.com/Nixon/sisters75to79.htm
>
>what do you think of the 1984 picture?  Ah, he's done the same
>thing in 1996.

Got his shadow in the picture?  Tsk.  Tsk.  I would love to hear the story
behind these four sisters: where are they from?  who took the
pictures?  did they all marry?  what has happened since 1999?  did they
live near one another always?  how many children among them?   etc.


bonnie

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On Thursday, August 14, 2003, bonniev wrote:
>>= http://www.zabriskiegallery.com/Nixon/sisters75to79.htm
>>
>>what do you think of the 1984 picture?  Ah, he's done the same
>>thing in 1996.

> Got his shadow in the picture?  Tsk.  Tsk.  I would love to hear the story
> behind these four sisters: where are they from?  who took the
> pictures?  did they all marry?  what has happened since 1999?  did they
> live near one another always?  how many children among them?   etc.

I wonder if one of them died.

Karen

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On Thursday, August 14, 2003, steph wrote:
> Ann Borkin:
> = Anna Borinki is showing this but I keep thinking of it and wondering about
> = the individual women, etc., so I think others here will find this series
> = of pictures of 4 sisters aging, of interest too.
> =
> = http://www.zabriskiegallery.com/Nixon/sisters75to79.htm

> what do you think of the 1984 picture?  Ah, he's done the same
> thing in 1996.

Now I can see them, but I can't see 1985. This is weird.

Karen

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--On Wednesday, August 13, 2003 10:29 PM -0500 Karen Kay
<Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

> What Narragansett Indian thing?
>
> Karen

The Indians opened a tax-free smoke shop, the Governor declared it illegal
and sent the State Police in.  A 'scuffle' ensued and the press had a
windfall of pictures/videos.  Very bad scene.  My personal opinion agrees
with Sachem Thomas - it should be settled in court (from the beginning).
Both the state and the Narragansetts have some valid issues.

Providence Journal take:
<http://www.projo.com/extra/2003/smokeshop/content/projo-20030814-smokeshop
.6b0bca1.html>

Boston Globe take:
<http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/196/metro/Indian_tobacco_shop_raided+.sh
tml>

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> Thanks.:) I do hope you enjoy your trip. Don't let Betty wear you out!
>
> Karen

No problem, I'm taking iron pills. :-)  I'll try not to wear her out!

Terry

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02003-08-14 | bonniev <bonniev@GWI.NET> writes:
> >= http://www.zabriskiegallery.com/Nixon/sisters75to79.htm
> >
> >what do you think of the 1984 picture?  Ah, he's done the same
> >thing in 1996.
>
> Got his shadow in the picture?  Tsk.  Tsk.

I know ...

> I would love to hear the story behind these four sisters: where
> are they from?  who took the pictures?  did they all marry?  what
> has happened since 1999?  did they live near one another always?
> how many children among them?   etc.

I find these questions totally uninteresting, though they could
lead to interesting ones. Is someone in the doghouse in '89? If
the "near-twins" had stood next to each other in 75, would they
have just gotten closer and closer, and the other two drifted
to the margins?

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At 04:18 PM 8/14/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:
>>Thanks.:) I do hope you enjoy your trip. Don't let Betty wear you out!
>>
>>Karen
>
>No problem, I'm taking iron pills. :-)  I'll try not to wear her out!

Looking forward to it.  I haven't heard from the Kaminsky's or
Sharon.  Myles is ready. Ken may not be able to get off work.  Ann?

Betty

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On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Betty Clark wrote:

> Looking forward to it.  I haven't heard from the Kaminsky's or
> Sharon.  Myles is ready. Ken may not be able to get off work.  Ann?

Thanks, Betty - I've hung low on this because we have company that
weekend.

Terry, I regret -

Ann

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Big power outage on east coast.  I can't believe I'm the first to post
this

Ann

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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:06:42 -0400
From: Terry Wild <twild@uri.edu>
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--On Thursday, August 14, 2003 1:54 PM -0700 Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET>
wrote:

> Thanks, Betty - I've hung low on this because we have company that
> weekend.
>
> Terry, I regret -
>
> Ann

I'm sorry I'll miss you and Neal, we'll have to try another time.  Do you
ever come east?

Terry

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02003-08-14 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> Big power outage on east coast.  I can't believe I'm the first to post
> this

You expect THEM to post, huh, Borkin?

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> Big power outage on east coast.  I can't believe I'm the first to post
> this
>
> Ann

What's causing it?
Terrorists?  Squirrels?  Hackers?

          - D. M.

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At 01:54 PM 8/14/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > Looking forward to it.  I haven't heard from the Kaminsky's or
> > Sharon.  Myles is ready. Ken may not be able to get off work.  Ann?
>
>Thanks, Betty - I've hung low on this because we have company that
>weekend.

No problem. I just wanted to remind people who may have forgotten. Janet
and Sandra are out of town, too.

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On 14 Aug 2003 at 15:56, bonniev wrote:

> I would love to hear the story
> behind these four sisters: where are they from?  who took the pictures?
> did they all marry?  what has happened since 1999?  did they live near one
> another always?  how many children among them?   etc.

http://www.zabriskiegallery.com/Nixon/nixon.htm

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>Big power outage on east coast.  I can't believe I'm the first to post
>this           --Ann

I just heard about it by phone from one of the Inn owners.  Airports are
shutting down.  They have guests stuck in Philadelphia.


bonnie

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--On Thursday, August 14, 2003 2:01 PM -0700 Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET>
wrote:

> Big power outage on east coast.  I can't believe I'm the first to post
> this
>
> Ann

Our lights flickered, thought it was a local thing.  To many A/Cs probably.
It was 90 here, but it was a dry heat. :)

Terry

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> What's causing it?
> Terrorists?  Squirrels?  Hackers?
>
>           - D. M.


According to CNN, the Niagara/Mohawk Grid failed due to overload.

Terry

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>What's causing it?
>Terrorists?  Squirrels?  Hackers?
>           - D. M.

Electrical overload.  Airports are closing because they can't do the
security clearing without electricity.

It's a hot day on the East Coast.  Got up to 82 degrees here but the
humidity was only 30 %.


bonnie

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> User inertia doesn't count, because a firewall should have been in place to
> block any infection from the wild.  And there should be a firewall in
> place, even if it means routing around PHBs.

So I didn't need to download the patch since I have (or at least had at
that time) a router?  My computer has seemed sick ever since I did that
lengthy downloading/installing.  But at least I finally figured out why
the DSL wasn't working this morning -- it was the router.  I've removed
the router, and it's working fine.  Don't know what the router's problem
is.  I had lots of messages late yesterday about checking for disk
consistency at bootup and then a couple of freezings followed by boxes
telling me that I had just recovered from a serious error.  Then this
morning no DSL.  But things seem ok for now.

Am about to go nomail again.  Will report Monday if there are some more
exciting computer happenings.

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On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-08-14 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > Big power outage on east coast.  I can't believe I'm the first to post
> > this
>
> You expect THEM to post, huh, Borkin?
>
I kind of expected Karen to, actually.  Anybody but me, in any case.

Ann

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> to violate that rule that says live with the new place a year before
> buying new furniture. (Of course, the rule may apply only to people who
> own old furniture - does anyone know?)

I've never heard of that rule.  Sounds like a dumb rule to me.  New
furniture is sometimes extremely useful, if not downright necessary,
when moving to a different dwelling.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Interesting; I get the error in both Netscape and IE.

I found that 1985 was broken, but the rest worked fine (Nestcape 4.7).

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bonniev wrote:
> I would love to hear the story
> behind these four sisters: where are they from?  who took the
> pictures?  did they all marry?  what has happened since 1999?  did they
> live near one another always?  how many children among them?   etc.

Me too.  But, iirc, this is the kind of thing you and I were talking
about a while back that other Wordslers thought odd.

I'd also like to know whether they had the idea in 1975 of the picture
series.  Bet they didn't figure it would be on the net someday.

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> >
> > Came right up for me.
> > Only four years shown . . that's not much <aging>.
> >
> >                - D. M.
>
> Hit the 'next' button.  You'll find 25 years.
>
> Ann
>

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> >
> > Came right up for me.
> > Only four years shown . . that's not much <aging>.
> >
> >                - D. M.
>
> Hit the 'next' button.  You'll find 25 years.
>
> Ann

Oh.  My, time goes fast when
you do it that way.

        - D. M.

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>So I didn't need to download the patch since I have (or at least had at
>that time) a router?

Yes, a firewall/router would keep the worm out.  My firewall logged a
little over 500 attempted worm intrusions on the peak day here, August
11th.  Most of them were from other Comcast IP addresses -- home cable
modem users with poor network hygiene and compromised computers.  Comcast
finally filtered port 135 in the mid-afternoon of the 12th, and so the
attempts stopped after that.

Keeping your Windows system up-to-date on security patches is a good
general practice, though, one I still recommend.

The exploit will continue to be used; you should either patch your system
or reinstate your firewall, or both.

>I've removed the router, and it's working fine.  Don't know what the
>router's problem is.

Sometimes the routers crash, and just need to be power-cycled.  You should
see if it works if you put it back in.

Pete

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On Thursday, August 14, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> Big power outage on east coast.  I can't believe I'm the first to post
> this

Some of us were on the phone with loved ones.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow."--PRB

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On Thursday, August 14, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>> Big power outage on east coast.  I can't believe I'm the first to post
>> this
>>
>> Ann

> What's causing it?
> Terrorists?  Squirrels?  Hackers?

Accident.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow."--PRB

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On Thursday, August 14, 2003, bonniev wrote:
> It's a hot day on the East Coast.  Got up to 82 degrees here but the
> humidity was only 30 %.

LOL. It was hotter there than here!!!! (Only slightly more humid
here.)

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow."--PRB

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> > It's a hot day on the East Coast.  Got up to 82 degrees here but the
> > humidity was only 30 %.
>
>LOL. It was hotter there than here!!!! (Only slightly more humid
>here.)               --Karen

I don't think I'll ever understand why you find it so amusing that there is
an occasional day in the summer when it is hotter in Maine than it is
Texas.  What will your low be tonight?  Ours will be in the mid-50s.  The
high tomorrow is supposed to be 74.


bonnie

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02003-08-14 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET> writes:
> On 14 Aug 2003 at 15:56, bonniev wrote:
>
> > I would love to hear the story
> > behind these four sisters: where are they from?  who took the pictures?
> > did they all marry?  what has happened since 1999?  did they live near one
> > another always?  how many children among them?   etc.
>
> http://www.zabriskiegallery.com/Nixon/nixon.htm

Man, I would have guessed "Bebe" went through two divorces ...

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On Thursday, August 14, 2003, Terry Wild wrote:
> Our lights flickered, thought it was a local thing.  To many A/Cs probably.
> It was 90 here, but it was a dry heat. :)

It was 80 here today.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow."--PRB

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Tushar Samant wrote:
> > I'd also like to know whether they had the idea in 1975 of the picture
> > series.  Bet they didn't figure it would be on the net someday.
>
> But they knew it would be a public exhibit, right?

I don't know.  I would guess that by the second year they had it planned
-- and lined up appropriately for that picture.  But I thought maybe the
first one was just a picture that was taken, as pictures often are --
that the idea of the series came later.

> Why bring
> the "net" into it and make it sound more dramatic than it is?
> (Lots of people do that ...)

Dramatic?  No, I don't think so.  I just meant that I bet in '75 they
weren't thinking in terms of an online picture series being viewed on PC
screens in ordinary houses.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Thursday, August 14, 2003, bonniev wrote:
> I don't think I'll ever understand why you find it so amusing that there is
> an occasional day in the summer when it is hotter in Maine than it is
> Texas.

Because! You yahoos seem to think it's always sucky here in the
summer.

>  What will your low be tonight?  Ours will be in the mid-50s.  The
> high tomorrow is supposed to be 74.

Oh, we're going to be in the lower 90's the rest of the foreseeable
future. But that's not unpleasant. And certainly beats the 50's--I'd
have to close windows if it were that cool. It's supposed to be in the
60's tonight.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow."--PRB

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> The exploit will continue to be used; you should either patch your system
> or reinstate your firewall, or both.

I guess I patched it in the lengthy download early yesterday morning.  I
do feel <vulnerable> right now, though.

> Sometimes the routers crash, and just need to be power-cycled.  You should
> see if it works if you put it back in.

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02003-08-14 | bonniev <bonniev@GWI.NET> writes:
> day in the summer when it is hotter in Maine than it is Texas

LOL!

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> > I would love to hear the story
> > behind these four sisters: where are they from?  who took the pictures?
> > did they all marry?  what has happened since 1999?  did they live near one
> > another always?  how many children among them?   etc.
>
>http://www.zabriskiegallery.com/Nixon/nixon.htm

Thanks, mem.  Further research tells me that in the first picture the ages
are 15 to 25.  In the last, of course, 40 to 50.  The photographer is
married to the sister who appears second from the right.  He is a noted and
professional photographer.  The sisters names are, in the order in which
they appear, Laurie, Heather, Bebe, Mimi.  They are from Connecticut.



bonnie

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> > http://www.zabriskiegallery.com/Nixon/nixon.htm
>
>Man, I would have guessed "Bebe" went through two divorces ...

Nope.  She's been married to her photographer for 27 years and counting.


bonnie

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> > I don't think I'll ever understand why you find it so amusing that there is
> > an occasional day in the summer when it is hotter in Maine than it is
> > Texas.
>
>Because! You yahoos seem to think it's always sucky here in the
>summer.            --Karen

Ah, I see.  Average daily temperature is only one of my criteria for
sucky.  And thus I still maintain that it always sucks there in the
summer.  Nay, the south sucks even in the winter!  Believe me it is not the
north wind that blows but the south wind that sucks.


bonnie

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> > I'd also like to know whether they had the idea in 1975 of the picture
> > series.  Bet they didn't figure it would be on the net someday.
>
>But they knew it would be a public exhibit, right? Why bring
>the "net" into it and make it sound more dramatic than it is?
>(Lots of people do that ...)

It's also a book.  Amazon has it for less than $21.


bonnie

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02003-08-14 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > Why bring
> > the "net" into it and make it sound more dramatic than it is?
> > (Lots of people do that ...)
>
> Dramatic?  No, I don't think so.  I just meant that I bet in '75 they
> weren't thinking in terms of an online picture series being viewed on PC
> screens in ordinary houses.

Hokay...

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02003-08-14 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> I'd also like to know whether they had the idea in 1975 of the picture
> series.  Bet they didn't figure it would be on the net someday.

But they knew it would be a public exhibit, right? Why bring
the "net" into it and make it sound more dramatic than it is?
(Lots of people do that ...)

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02003-08-14 | bonniev <bonniev@GWI.NET> writes:
> >> I'd also like to know whether they had the idea in 1975 of the picture
> >> series.  Bet they didn't figure it would be on the net someday.
> >
> >But they knew it would be a public exhibit, right? Why bring
> >the "net" into it and make it sound more dramatic than it is?
> >(Lots of people do that ...)
>
> It's also a book.  Amazon has it for less than $21.

What other facts about them contain numerals? List and discuss ...

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Look at Bridge:

http://www.msstate.edu/org/humane/images/adoption/Bridge.jpg

Here's the blurb on him:

************
Bridge is a male Australian Shepherd/Blue
Heeler/Lab. mix and is 4-5 months old. Bridge
was found abandonded on a bridge on a
country road and was collected and
surrendered by the man who found and named
him. Bridge is looking for a loving home.
************
from: http://www.msstate.edu/org/humane/adoption.html

I bet he and Spencer would become great friends.  But I'm not going to
let myself think about that.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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In a message dated 8/14/2003 4:23:37 PM Central Daylight Time, 
bonniev@GWI.NET writes:
<<
Electrical overload.  Airports are closing because they can't do the
security clearing without electricity.

>>

When I got home, Mom was watching Fox News, and it was showing
the 38th St ferry landing; I have rarely seen so many people in one 
place as that.

The power outage reached as far as Akron and Canton, Ohio.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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In a message dated 8/14/2003 4:15:50 PM Central Daylight Time, 
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<<
I just heard about it by phone from one of the Inn owners.  Airports are
shutting down.
>>

Planes can land, I've heard; they just can't take off.

Evelyn Duncan
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<<
Electrical overload.  Airports are closing because they can't do the
security clearing without electricity.

>>

When I got home, Mom was watching Fox News, and it was showing
the 38th St ferry landing; I have rarely seen so many people in one
place as that.

The power outage reached as far as Akron and Canton, Ohio.

Evelyn Duncan

Amazing to watch how orderly
the scene is, even with all those
people.  I hope they get them home
before dark though.

Service has already been restored
in some areas.

            - D. M.

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> The power outage reached as far as Akron and Canton, Ohio.

I'm fine here in West Springfield, and Auntie Val is fine outside Montpelier
VT.

There were reports of sporadic outages in Springfield, and all the maps on
the national news showed us as not having power.

My sister's house in Springfield has power, but I don't know about my mom as
she never answers the phone.

Our power at work flickered right around 4, but that was it.

--Adam
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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> I'm fine here in West Springfield, and Auntie Val is fine outside Montpelier
> VT.
>
> There were reports of sporadic outages in Springfield, and all the maps on
> the national news showed us as not having power.

Dan Rather told me that Hartford didn't have power.  Naturally, I
thought of you since that was our last seeing-each-other place until
Acadiafest.  I remember that you in fact were holding the Bayla plant in
a motel lobby in Hartford at one point.  I'm glad you have power.  You
can listen to the Nields.  I listened to them for a short while today in
my car, which is unusual for me around town.  Because my car's
cd-player/radio does not gracefully move between those two media, I
normally just leave it on radio all the time when I'm <local> and play
cd's only when traveling.  But whatever was on PRM this morning when I
was pulling out of my driveway was boring -- can't even remember what it
was.  So I stuck the Nields into the cd player.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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From: "Adam Hartfield" <adamh1@comcast.net>
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> my car, which is unusual for me around town.  Because my car's
> cd-player/radio does not gracefully move between those two media,

Have you read the book for the stereo? I had no problems switching between
modes with all the car CD players I've had.

I've been listening almost non-stop lately to an Australian band called
Fruit. They're awesome.

I did listen some to _Love and China_ today in the car though.

My mom has power, as does my cousin in Fort Lee NJ (right across the river
from NYC).

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> Have you read the book for the stereo? I had no problems switching between
> modes with all the car CD players I've had.

I feel sure that I must've when I first had it installed.  I should look
for the book and check again.  I don't know whether I left it in the
car's glove compartment or put it into my equipment file in my desk
drawer.  Probably no time to study the situation tonight, though.  I
have miles to go before I sleep, including reminding myself to set
nomail.

> I did listen some to _Love and China_ today in the car though.

I wonder whether we might have being doing it at the same time.  That's
a nice thought.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> I wonder whether we might have being doing it at the same time.  That's
> a nice thought.

Well, let's see. I was in the car from 7:20 to 7:40 my time, then from
11:30 - 11:35 and 11:45 - 11:50, and then from 5:05 to 5:25. :)

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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At 08:40 PM 8/13/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:
>The weather has been wonderful, the cuisine superb, and the outings
>divine -- typical times with the John-Amy-Carl clan.
>
>Holiday trips are booked, other venues scrutinized, and still other plans
>for <changes> are beginning to take form.

All will be revealed?

Betty

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> > I wonder whether we might have being doing it at the same time.  That's
> > a nice thought.
>
> Well, let's see. I was in the car from 7:20 to 7:40 my time, then from

That's a possibility.  It might have been between 8:20 and 8:40 my time
that I was listening to them.

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DSAI.
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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Terry Wild wrote:

> I'm sorry I'll miss you and Neal, we'll have to try another time.  Do you
> ever come east?

Most travel/vacation time goes to visiting my mother, who's - my god! -
92.  She's in Florida.

I'll look for pictures - say hi to Myles.  You will have fun!

Ann

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On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>>>It makes more sense for gardens than furniture.  Once the couch is in
>>the corner, it isn't likely that a chair will sprout up and crowd it out.
>>
>>Nice image, though!
>>
>>Bethany
>
>This did happen in our case. Want a free couch? Come on over and pick it up!
>clo

I'll get back to you ...

Bethany

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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:23:59 -0400
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>
> Most travel/vacation time goes to visiting my mother, who's - my god! -
> 92.  She's in Florida.
>
Good for her!  My grandmother turns 92 in Nov.

> I'll look for pictures - say hi to Myles.  You will have fun!
>
> Ann

Will do.  It's about 11:30pm here, I've got to get some sleep.

Bye for now,
Terry

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>
>Will do.  It's about 11:30pm here, I've got to get some sleep.
>
>Bye for now,
>Terry

Night!  See you tomorrow.

Betty

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I can vouch for folksinger Adam Brodsky (http://www.adambrodsky.com/), who
is in the midst of a quixotic quest to win his way into the Guinness Book of
World Records by performing concerts in 50 states in 50 days (with the
perverse rule that he'll only play in one state per day, which means he
can't knock of a bunch of New England states in one day and then take a
travel day).  He's outrageously funny, though not as fine a songwriter as
Dan Bern.

He'll be in Louisville in a couple of weeks, but may be in your area sooner.
I'll be subjecting him to the q&a routine for the C-J, and plan to ask him
some sort of question about nosh pits.  I'm sure he'll be more interesting
than Alan Jackson....

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08:25 14.08.2003 -0700 skrev Ann Borkin:
>Anna Borinki is showing this but I keep thinking of it and wondering about
>the individual women, etc., so I think others here will find this series
>of pictures of 4 sisters aging, of interest too.
>
>http://www.zabriskiegallery.com/Nixon/sisters75to79.htm

Yes. Even if the 1985 picture couldn't be shown with my browser (IE 6.x).

Espen

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In Syracuse the power outage was very sporadic.  The library went dark at around 4:15 but I had electricity at home.  Other pparts of the city were off until late last night.  I talked to Steve in Toronto at around 9:30 and they were still without.  I haven't talked to him yet today.  I blame it on Mars.
 
BrP
 
 


>>> natalie@MAYNOR.NET 08/14/03 09:44PM >>>
Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> > I wonder whether we might have being doing it at the same time.  That's
> > a nice thought.
>
> Well, let's see. I was in the car from 7:20 to 7:40 my time, then from

That's a possibility.  It might have been between 8:20 and 8:40 my time
that I was listening to them.

--
-- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:22:58 -0400
From: Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU>
Subject: Re: estate sale
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:39:05 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas
<dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> wrote:

>On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
>>>>It makes more sense for gardens than furniture.  Once the couch is in
>>>the corner, it isn't likely that a chair will sprout up and crowd it out.
>>>
>>>Nice image, though!
>>>
>>>Bethany
>>
>>This did happen in our case. Want a free couch? Come on over and pick it
up!
>>clo
>
>I'll get back to you ...
>
>Bethany

That's what my sister said!
clo

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Meanwhile, last night I had so many things occur that it will take me a
week to get used to them - that seems to be happening a lot lately - but
among them I bumped into a woman in network systems who has been
handweeding mail for spam for several weeks in an effort to, I think, catch
a hacker with certain "mail tendencies"? Whatever.

The effect on us, and the world at large, had been huge amounts of spam
both outgoing and incoming that blockers accepted, slowing our servers; but
once they blocked it, mail was being held <unbeknownst to us> and handsifted
for weeks, being released in small, delayed batches.

I was interested to hear why I had been feeling like some mail was missing.
Interestingly, just as they patched the hole the hacker had opened, I got a
new computer and jumped to the conclusion that the inordinately small number
of items in my inbox signaled that something had been changed in my
settings:
 I was missing the spam (now being filtered and blocked), I had gotten so
 used to having it!

She also noted that "Client Systems" had been warned at least three weeks
 ago that they needed to install the now infamous worm patch, and had not
 taken the warning seriously or been tied up in committee over the
 appropriate fix.

But yesterday the third attempt to install the patch was applied: people
 came around and installed by hand from a CD, checking in the registry
 to be sure it took. One aspect of the latest install: each time we boot
now, the machine checks in with Big Gates for updates, a thing that had
previously been decried as giving away to much access to our desktops.

The hacker has reinforced Microsoft's stance quite neatly, and I bet we're
not the only place where quietly, sheeply, IT has fallen right in line.

clo
clo

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>The weather has been wonderful, the cuisine superb, and the outings
>divine -- typical times with the John-Amy-Carl clan.
>
>Holiday trips are booked, other venues scrutinized, and still other plans
>for <changes> are beginning to take form.

>All will be revealed?

>Betty

As in exhibitionism? :).

Some will likely be revealed -- even if it's after the fact.

:) x2

AS

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Well, yeah. Men are from there.

Betty

At 07:45 AM 8/15/2003 -0400, Paul Barfoot wrote:
>In Syracuse the power outage was very sporadic.  The library went dark at
>around 4:15 but I had electricity at home.  Other pparts of the city were
>off until late last night.  I talked to Steve in Toronto at around 9:30
>and they were still without.  I haven't talked to him yet today.  I blame
>it on Mars.
>
>BrP
>
>
>
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> >>> natalie@MAYNOR.NET 08/14/03 09:44PM >>>
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> >
> > > I wonder whether we might have being doing it at the same time.  That's
> > > a nice thought.
> >
> > Well, let's see. I was in the car from 7:20 to 7:40 my time, then from
>
>That's a possibility.  It might have been between 8:20 and 8:40 my time
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At 08:22 AM 8/15/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>That's what my sister said!
>clo

Do you have photos of yourselves together?  Is your daughter back from London?

Betty

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From: "Alan Wild" <awild@uri.edu>
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Hej yall...

Terry is on USAIR, flight 201...

Check it out here:
http://www.rlmsoftware.com/TravelTools/default.asp
... and click on the in flight button once it takes off.  ;-)

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At 08:31 AM 8/15/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:
> >The weather has been wonderful, the cuisine superb, and the outings
> >divine -- typical times with the John-Amy-Carl clan.
> >
> >Holiday trips are booked, other venues scrutinized, and still other plans
> >for <changes> are beginning to take form.
>
> >All will be revealed?
>
> >Betty
>
>As in exhibitionism? :).
>
>Some will likely be revealed -- even if it's after the fact.
>
>:) x2
>
>AS

Do you get home delivery of the Sunday paper?

Betty

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At 09:46 AM 8/15/2003 -0400, Alan Wild wrote:
>Hej yall...
>
>Terry is on USAIR, flight 201...
>
>Check it out here:
>http://www.rlmsoftware.com/TravelTools/default.asp
>... and click on the in flight button once it takes off.  ;-)


We checked even before this message and it arrives on time.  I vacuumed and
everything.

Betty

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Betty" <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
> At 09:46 AM 8/15/2003 -0400, Alan Wild wrote:
> >Hej yall...
> >
> >Terry is on USAIR, flight 201...
> >
> >Check it out here:
> >http://www.rlmsoftware.com/TravelTools/default.asp
> >... and click on the in flight button once it takes off.  ;-)
>
>
> We checked even before this message and it arrives on time.  I vacuumed
and
> everything.
>
> Betty

'Cool... Edward has already trashed the kitchen (Terry will explain), and
shit his pants with hydrochloric acid.  We're off to the waterslide as soon
as Ed picks up his mess in the kitchen.  ;-)

'Nice day here - a dry heat of 82 degrees... 90 is predicted.

We're gonna party!

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On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>>>This did happen in our case. Want a free couch? Come on over and pick it
>up!
>>>clo
>>
>>I'll get back to you ...
>>
>>Bethany
>
>That's what my sister said!

She and I may be related!

Just how ugly is this couch?

Bethany

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At 10:01 AM 8/15/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

>Just how ugly is this couch?
>
>Bethany

Get a dog!

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>Do you get home delivery of the Sunday paper?

>Betty

Nah. It would have to be The Courier-Journal (Louisville) or The Paducah
Sun -- neither which interests me that much.

However, being in such a crossroads in this area rack purchase is available
for papers in these cities: Nashville, Memphis, St. Louis, Chicago and
Evansville (Indiana).

My house sets back so far from the street that it would be a mini-hike to
retrieve a paper in the first place ...

:)

AS

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She left 20 minutes late but is estimated to arrive 20 minutes early.  The
Jet Stream must not be blowing very hard today.


>Terry is on USAIR, flight 201...
>
>Check it out here:
>http://www.rlmsoftware.com/TravelTools/default.asp
>... and click on the in flight button once it takes off.  ;-)

bonnie

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Darwinian Poetry at:
 
http://www.codeasart.com/poetry/darwin.html
 
 
BrP
 
 

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I thought you said it sucked
 
BrP
 


>>> bonniev@GWI.NET 08/15/03 10:31AM >>>
She left 20 minutes late but is estimated to arrive 20 minutes early.  The
Jet Stream must not be blowing very hard today.


>Terry is on USAIR, flight 201...
>
>Check it out here:
>http://www.rlmsoftware.com/TravelTools/default.asp 
>... and click on the in flight button once it takes off.  ;-)

bonnie

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Is this a boy name or a girl name? (I can see it as either.)

Karen

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        Girl name.

Karen Kay wrote:

> Is this a boy name or a girl name? (I can see it as either.)
>
> Karen
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, Betty wrote:

>>Just how ugly is this couch?
>>
>>Bethany
>
>Get a dog!

It's against the rules!

Bethany

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I've only ever seen it as a girl name, but anything's possible.
(or perhaps I should say everything)
 
BrP


>>> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM 08/15/03 10:45AM >>>
Is this a boy name or a girl name? (I can see it as either.)

Karen

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>
> All will be revealed?
>
> Betty


Perhaps.

JMW

(That cryptic enough for ya?)

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The Jet Stream is East/West.  Not sure if it blows or sucks.


>I thought you said it sucked
>
>BrP
>
>
>
> >>> bonniev@GWI.NET 08/15/03 10:31AM >>>
>She left 20 minutes late but is estimated to arrive 20 minutes early.  The
>Jet Stream must not be blowing very hard today.
>
>
> >Terry is on USAIR, flight 201...
> >
> >Check it out here:
> >http://www.rlmsoftware.com/TravelTools/default.asp
> >... and click on the in flight button once it takes off.  ;-)
>
>bonnie

bonnie

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It's a girl name.


>Is this a boy name or a girl name? (I can see it as either.)
>
>Karen

bonnie

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On Friday, August 15, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> I've only ever seen it as a girl name, but anything's possible.
> (or perhaps I should say everything)

:) I love you, too, my sweet polenta!

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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Girls.  Paige Bowie

At 09:45 AM 8/15/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Is this a boy name or a girl name? (I can see it as either.)
>
>Karen

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On Friday, August 15, 2003, Betty wrote:
> Girls.  Paige Bowie

Who is Paige Bowie?

Karen
no time to google

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'Depends on whether you're coming or going...  'Like Bill Cosby, who
credited his grandmother for clearing up whether the glass was half full or
half empty.  As he told it, she said in a terse manner, "it depends upon
whether you're drinking or pouring, doesn't it."   ;-)




----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Barfoot" <Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU>

I thought you said it sucked

BrP



>>> bonniev@GWI.NET 08/15/03 10:31AM >>>
She left 20 minutes late but is estimated to arrive 20 minutes early.  The
Jet Stream must not be blowing very hard today.


>Terry is on USAIR, flight 201...
>
>Check it out here:
>http://www.rlmsoftware.com/TravelTools/default.asp
>... and click on the in flight button once it takes off.  ;-)

bonnie

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Can't Paige be a boy's name? Or is it spelled Page then? I know my
sister has a male friend named one of these.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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I prefer George Carlin's "Hey, there's a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be!"
 
BrP
 

>>> awild@URI.EDU 08/15/03 10:57AM >>>
'Depends on whether you're coming or going...  'Like Bill Cosby, who
credited his grandmother for clearing up whether the glass was half full or
half empty.  As he told it, she said in a terse manner, "it depends upon
whether you're drinking or pouring, doesn't it."   ;-)

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Here's a reference to convention:
 
http://www.babynames.com/V5/index.php?content=names/p.html
 
 
BrP


>>> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM 08/15/03 11:00AM >>>
Can't Paige be a boy's name? Or is it spelled Page then? I know my
sister has a male friend named one of these.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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On Friday, August 15, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> Here's a reference to convention:

> http://www.babynames.com/V5/index.php?content=names/p.html

Thanks; that explains my confusion.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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At 09:56 AM 8/15/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Friday, August 15, 2003, Betty wrote:
> > Girls.  Paige Bowie
>
>Who is Paige Bowie?

Cal women's basketball and softball player. She graduated.

You working?  No time?

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Betty Clark writes,

>Looking forward to it.  I haven't heard from the Kaminsky's or
>Sharon.  Myles is ready. Ken may not be able to get off work.  Ann?

Unfortunately, we probably won't be able to get away from other stuff we
have to do.  But do you have a rough schedule in mind, just in case?

Pete

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At 09:19 AM 8/15/2003 -0700, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>Betty Clark writes,
>
>>Looking forward to it.  I haven't heard from the Kaminsky's or
>>Sharon.  Myles is ready. Ken may not be able to get off work.  Ann?
>
>Unfortunately, we probably won't be able to get away from other stuff we
>have to do.  But do you have a rough schedule in mind, just in case?

We'll meet Myles someplace on Sunday but since no one else is going to make
it we are not sure where yet. (Maybe Bodega Bay or Duncan Mills so we can
work in the geyser and a winery.)  At this point I don't want to have any
time commitments and we are just going to be flexible and play it by ear.

She will just have to come back sometime when it isn't so busy for people!

Betty

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Right now the tracker has Terry right over Vail, Colorado.  ;-)

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At 01:46 PM 8/15/2003 -0400, Alan Wild wrote:
>Right now the tracker has Terry right over Vail, Colorado.  ;-)

We better get going! Did she get lunch or will she arrive hungry?

Betty

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02003-08-15 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> I can vouch for folksinger Adam Brodsky (http://www.adambrodsky.com/), who
> is in the midst of a quixotic quest to win his way into the Guinness Book
> of World Records by performing concerts in 50 states in 50 days ...

What category would that be?

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I have a few pennies left- and an agent who claims to be a whiz at
finding great furniture buys. We will go to see the estate sale furniture
on Sunday. I have been looking at Ethan Allen furniture on the web. Some
of it is quite nice - and all of it is, by my standards, very expensive.
Dining tables that I find attractive are ca. $1200. My budget suggests
that $50 - $200 is appropriate. I once owned a teak veneer pull-out dining
table (no separate leaves) - when it was pulled out, it would seat 12. I
think I paid $200-$250 for it (It was a bit beat-up). I would like to have
something like that. Also, I will need dining chairs.

Bethany

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... to BrPaul... !

and HB to Emily, wherever you are!

'Alan

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thanks Alan!
 
- Paul


>>> awild@URI.EDU 08/15/03 11:06AM >>>
... to BrPaul... !

and HB to Emily, wherever you are!

'Alan

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On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:41:44 -0700, Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
wrote:

>At 08:22 AM 8/15/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
>>That's what my sister said!
>>clo
>
>Do you have photos of yourselves together?  Is your daughter back from
London?
>
>Betty

Myself and my sisters?
yes, but no time to dig them up and put them online till mid-Sept.


Yes, Mercy is back with a vengeance. Her beau from Germany is coming to
meet us the day after I get back from Burning Man, when V's anxiety will be
at its highest point. Well, if you have to meet potential inlaws, see them
at their worst and get it over with, I guess.

clo

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----- Original Message -----
From: Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:43 am

> Have you shared your kentucky travel plans?

Only to stay here until the last possible moment.  Perhaps you missed
our announcement of July 4th?  Anyway, as this Commonwealth is where I
was ordained Prime Meeber it only seems proper that I consort with my
Consort the Prime Meeberess, and the MeeberBrat Regent, as often as
possible.

JMW

>
>
> >From: John Williams <williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU>
> >Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-
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> >Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:15:39 -0500
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> >From: Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
> >Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:15 pm
> >Subject: Just Another Day at the Sty
> >
> > > In order of occurrence:
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > But, life is good.
> >
> >You might enjoy reading the creative writing on the police
> blotter in
> >the Arcata Eye.
> >
> >JMW
>
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:01:10 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas
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>On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
>>>>This did happen in our case. Want a free couch? Come on over and pick it
>>up!
>>>>clo
>>>
>>>I'll get back to you ...
>>>
>>>Bethany
>>
>>That's what my sister said!
>
>She and I may be related!
>
>Just how ugly is this couch?
>
>Bethany

With three children under the age of 7 and goats, pigs, sheep, chickens,
ducks, a cow, and three dogs, what does it matter what the couch looks
like? It's a navy blue this-ends-up couch that was bought because it was
too sturdy for our two kids, dog, and cats to take apart. It's perfect for
her; and as a conversation piece ("yes, abused for 20 yrs and still as ugly
as the day it was purchased") it's perfect for anyone with an artistic
temperament and a warped sense of humor.
clo

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02003-08-15 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> perfect for anyone with an artistic
> temperament and a warped sense of humor.

That's not ugly, that's "FUGLY"

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On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:45:29 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>Is this a boy name or a girl name? (I can see it as either.)
>
>Karen

All the Paiges I know are girls. Who would give a boy a servile name?
Girls - Patience, Chastity, You-girl!
Boys - King, Duke, Butch.

clo

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From: Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU>
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:21:32 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
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>02003-08-15 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
>> perfect for anyone with an artistic
>> temperament and a warped sense of humor.
>
>That's not ugly, that's "FUGLY"

The truth is that the couch is pretty sober and sensible. I just wish it
were fugly. Or perhaps my living room is. I should take a picture. Yeah.

clo

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On Friday, August 15, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> The truth is that the couch is pretty sober and sensible. I just wish it
> were fugly. Or perhaps my living room is. I should take a picture. Yeah.

Your living room is neither ugly nor fugly.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>The truth is that the couch is pretty sober and sensible. I just wish it
>were fugly. Or perhaps my living room is. I should take a picture. Yeah.

It's the words-l way. Soon I shall succumb to the temptation to post pix
...

Bethany

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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You know, I kind of admire this:

Two weeks ago I spent quite a few hours doing a rather complex set of
information-finding tasks for an attorney.  Nothing really THAT complex,
but still it took me a few hours.

Today he tells me he's lost the redwell binder in which he stuck my
results, and could I please do it again.

He was very polite and easygoing about this, but NEVER ONCE told me he was
sorry he lost it or apologized in any way, even a shit-eating grin.

Ann

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He was very polite and easygoing about this, but NEVER ONCE told me he was
sorry he lost it or apologized in any way, even a shit-eating grin.

------------------

oh,yeah, and I guess it goes without saying I don't think I showed in any
way that this was an UNREASONABLE BORING ARROGANT APOLOGY-WORTHY request.

Ann
Indefatigable Human Resource

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On Friday, August 15, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> You know, I kind of admire this:

> Two weeks ago I spent quite a few hours doing a rather complex set of
> information-finding tasks for an attorney.  Nothing really THAT complex,
> but still it took me a few hours.

> Today he tells me he's lost the redwell binder in which he stuck my
> results, and could I please do it again.

> He was very polite and easygoing about this, but NEVER ONCE told me he was
> sorry he lost it or apologized in any way, even a shit-eating grin.

I don't admire it at all. This is incredibly RUDE and DEPLORABLE.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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I love my work mate Theresa:  "OHH, IDIOT!"  "KICK HIM IN THE BUTT"!

Fri, 15 Aug 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

> You know, I kind of admire this:
>
> Two weeks ago I spent quite a few hours doing a rather complex set of
> information-finding tasks for an attorney.  Nothing really THAT complex,
> but still it took me a few hours.
>
> Today he tells me he's lost the redwell binder in which he stuck my
> results, and could I please do it again.
>
> He was very polite and easygoing about this, but NEVER ONCE told me he was
> sorry he lost it or apologized in any way, even a shit-eating grin.
>
> Ann
>

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On Friday, August 15, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> I love my work mate Theresa:  "OHH, IDIOT!"  "KICK HIM IN THE BUTT"!

YES!!!!

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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On Friday, August 15, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>> Today he tells me he's lost the redwell binder in which he stuck my
>> results, and could I please do it again.

What is a redwell binder?

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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>
> What is a redwell binder?
>

I'm not really sure and I'm not sure of the name, either.  I think it's a
brown expandible envelope-y kind of deal.

Ann

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KJRH showed last night's episode of Queer Eye, and I have to say
that I love it!  It's a rare reality show:  everyone is working to help
one another, not cut each other down.

Evelyn Duncan
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On Friday, August 15, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>>
>> What is a redwell binder?
>>

> I'm not really sure and I'm not sure of the name, either.  I think it's a
> brown expandible envelope-y kind of deal.

> Ann

Got it.

What a dork.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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At 02:01 PM 8/15/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>  but NEVER ONCE told me he was
>sorry he lost it or apologized in any way, even a shit-eating grin.

I firmly believe that this is taught in first-year law school.  Over the
years in TVA I dealt with many lawyers who could develop instantaneous
righteous indignation over the the most minor glitch caused by someone
else, but expected everyone to overlook, with great good humor, their most
egregious blunders.

cwv

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02003-08-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Friday, August 15, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > I love my work mate Theresa:  "OHH, IDIOT!"  "KICK HIM IN THE BUTT"!
>
> YES!!!!

Ahhh, who cares

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02003-08-15 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
> KJRH showed last night's episode of Queer Eye, and I have to say
> that I love it!  It's a rare reality show:  everyone is working to help
> one another, not cut each other down.

Help with WHAT?

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In a message dated 8/15/2003 5:16:47 PM Central Daylight Time, 
scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
<<
Help with WHAT?

>>

They help a guy, every week, get himself in shape (clothes, looks,
food, home) so that he can ask the woman he loves to marry him.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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02003-08-15 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 8/15/2003 5:16:47 PM Central Daylight Time,
> scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
> <<
> Help with WHAT?
> >>
>
> They help a guy, every week, get himself in shape (clothes, looks,
> food, home) so that he can ask the woman he loves to marry him.

I know that ... it just sounds really ridiculous to me.

Also, going with the general tone of the show, shouldn't
his "taste in women" also be reworked?

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On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

>You know, I kind of admire this:
>
>Two weeks ago I spent quite a few hours doing a rather complex set of
>information-finding tasks for an attorney.  Nothing really THAT complex,
>but still it took me a few hours.
>
>Today he tells me he's lost the redwell binder in which he stuck my
>results, and could I please do it again.
>
>He was very polite and easygoing about this, but NEVER ONCE told me he was
>sorry he lost it or apologized in any way, even a shit-eating grin.

And I admire your attitude. What happened is totally ordinary. For
lawyers.

Bethany

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On Friday, August 15, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> They help a guy, every week, get himself in shape (clothes, looks,
> food, home) so that he can ask the woman he loves to marry him.

Er, not every week. I saw another show where they helped someone get
ready for a gallery opening.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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02003-08-15 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> >You know, I kind of admire this:
> >
> >Two weeks ago I spent quite a few hours doing a rather complex set of
> >information-finding tasks for an attorney.  Nothing really THAT complex,
> >but still it took me a few hours.
> >
> >Today he tells me he's lost the redwell binder in which he stuck my
> >results, and could I please do it again.
> >
> >He was very polite and easygoing about this, but NEVER ONCE told me he was
> >sorry he lost it or apologized in any way, even a shit-eating grin.
>
> And I admire your attitude. What happened is totally ordinary. For
> lawyers.

It's totally ordinary for a wide range of wasteful corporate f**ks.
The only honest way to react to it is to realize that you are getting
paid exactly the same. If you were a freelancer you would charge the
exact same amount again. We admire Dr Borkin for precisely this
attitude. Anything more is assigning way too much importance to
your puny job ... heh heh

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Alan--

I don't know if you saw it or not, but this week USA Today had an ariticle
about Cris Mortenson---one of ESPN's football commentators.  He got the
same the same thing as Terry had, except that he was minus a spleen.  They
almost lost him---lungs filled with fluid, whole body rash, 104F fever,
etc.  Next to this stuff, Lyme disease seems rather mild...

cwv

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... Calling out to Terry!

We miss you and are learning and growing as we know you you are too.

'Had a great time a Yawgoo today... 'kids are beat.  Edward loved the water
slides, and is a son of yours, not risk averse, and he does you proud.

I am your loving husband...  'Alan

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> I can vouch for folksinger Adam Brodsky (http://www.adambrodsky.com/), who
> is in the midst of a quixotic quest to win his way into the

When you see him, make sure you mention that you know me - we're good
friends and he's stayed here when he's been in the area. Tell him that YOU
are the reason that he and I know each other! (It's true.)

And of course I contributed to his Fifty in Fifty fundraising campaign.

--Adam

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From: "Adam Hartfield" <adamh1@comcast.net>
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> The hacker has reinforced Microsoft's stance quite neatly, and I bet we're
> not the only place where quietly, sheeply, IT has fallen right in line.

Not in my shop. I turn off Windows Automatic Updates wherever I encounter
it. There have been too many "patches" that cause worse problems than those
they purport to fix.

I did go around the building loading the Blaster patch from CD or network
share by hand.

--Adam
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> her; and as a conversation piece ("yes, abused for 20 yrs and
> still as ugly
> as the day it was purchased")

I doubt it out-uglies The World's Ugliest Couch, a pea-green textured vinyl
lovely Danish Modern low-back that I got from Grampa's house.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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> > her; and as a conversation piece ("yes, abused for 20 yrs and
> > still as ugly
> > as the day it was purchased")
>
> I doubt it out-uglies The World's Ugliest Couch, a pea-green textured
vinyl
> lovely Danish Modern low-back that I got from Grampa's house.
>
> --Adam
> adamh1@comcast.net

I have an ugly one too, in my basement,
left by the last owner.  Why don't we all
enter the World's Ugliest Couch contest,
or whatever it's called?

             - D. M.

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> I have an ugly one too, in my basement,
> left by the last owner.  Why don't we all
> enter the World's Ugliest Couch contest,
> or whatever it's called?

LOL, I've thought about that! But I do like my TWUC. It's actually kind of
comfortable. You'll have to come to SnowBash and experience a rich
sofa-sitting session yourself.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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At 08:10 PM 8/15/2003 -0400, Alan Wild wrote:
>... Calling out to Terry!
>
>We miss you and are learning and growing as we know you you are too.
>
>'Had a great time a Yawgoo today... 'kids are beat.  Edward loved the water
>slides, and is a son of yours, not risk averse, and he does you proud.
>
>I am your loving husband...  'Alan

We were late getting home, Alan.  Terry's tattoo took longer than I
thought.  Looks great though.

Betty

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At 08:36 PM 8/15/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > I have an ugly one too, in my basement,
> > left by the last owner.  Why don't we all
> > enter the World's Ugliest Couch contest,
> > or whatever it's called?
>
>LOL, I've thought about that! But I do like my TWUC. It's actually kind of
>comfortable. You'll have to come to SnowBash and experience a rich
>sofa-sitting session yourself.

It's the best ugly couch ever.  I want to sit on it again.

Betty

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At 03:07 PM 8/15/2003 -0500, John Williams wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Date: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:43 am
>
> > Have you shared your kentucky travel plans?
>
>Only to stay here until the last possible moment.  Perhaps you missed
>our announcement of July 4th?  Anyway, as this Commonwealth is where I
>was ordained Prime Meeber it only seems proper that I consort with my
>Consort the Prime Meeberess, and the MeeberBrat Regent, as often as
>possible.
>
>JMW

YaY.  Peace be with you.

Betty

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>===== Original Message From English Language Discussion Group
<WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU> =====
>.. Calling out to Terry!
>
>We miss you and are learning and growing as we know you you are too.
>
>'Had a great time a Yawgoo today... 'kids are beat.  Edward loved the water
>slides, and is a son of yours, not risk averse, and he does you proud.
>
>I am your loving husband...  'Alan

Howdy there, I miss you all, too! Glad you had a great time.  Edward is a
natural fish.

No plane or earthquake events.  We spent the afternoon in San Fran and had a
great time.  Checked out Mission Dolores, the oldest building in SF, rode the
cable cars and tried not to get my butt wacked by parked car mirrors, put my
feet in the Pacific, and did a bunch more stuff.  Larry scouted out a great
restaurant for dinner and we're now at chez Clarke. Although it is 8:40 here,
it is 11:40 my time.  I think I'll be sleeping soon, getting up at 5am makes a
long day.

Sleep tight,
Love, Terry

P.S. I love this wireless mouse!
P.P.S. Webmail sucks, no matter how convienent.

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On Friday, August 15, 2003, Betty wrote:
> She will just have to come back sometime when it isn't so busy for people!

It's the BA: people are always busy.

Karen,
happy to live in Austin

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On Friday, August 15, 2003, Betty wrote:
> You working?

No, I'm not working. I do have other things to do, though. Like look
for work...

> No time?

No time for Ligniere, either.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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At 10:58 PM 8/15/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Friday, August 15, 2003, Betty wrote:
> > She will just have to come back sometime when it isn't so busy for people!
>
>It's the BA: people are always busy.


Uh-huh

>Karen,
>happy to live in Austin

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On Friday, August 15, 2003, Betty wrote:
> At 10:58 PM 8/15/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>On Friday, August 15, 2003, Betty wrote:
>> > She will just have to come back sometime when it isn't so busy for people!
>>
>>It's the BA: people are always busy.


> Uh-huh

We've talked about this before. I think time is the most important
commodity in the BA.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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At 11:22 PM 8/15/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Friday, August 15, 2003, Betty wrote:
> > At 10:58 PM 8/15/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>On Friday, August 15, 2003, Betty wrote:
> >> > She will just have to come back sometime when it isn't so busy for
> people!
> >>
> >>It's the BA: people are always busy.
>
>
> > Uh-huh
>
>We've talked about this before. I think time is the most important
>commodity in the BA.

I'm sure you're right.

>Karen
>"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

Put your pants back on.

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Adam Hartfield:
= > The hacker has reinforced Microsoft's stance quite neatly, and I bet we're
= > not the only place where quietly, sheeply, IT has fallen right in line.
=
= Not in my shop. I turn off Windows Automatic Updates wherever I encounter
= it. There have been too many "patches" that cause worse problems than those
= they purport to fix.
=
= I did go around the building loading the Blaster patch from CD or network
= share by hand.
=

Get this:  First I get a mail from the helpdesk telling me that
they've updated my system for me when I know they haven't because
even though I'm logged in on the right domain, I'm on another
physical network and their sms doesn't work there.  But they've
helpfully included a url directly to the patch should I want to
patch my system at home.  So I download the patch for win2k and
run it.  It fails, telling me I need service pack 2, so I call
the helpdesk.  They try to lead me through the steps to get
service pack 4, but it won't install, probably because I don't
have enough priveleges.  I'm someplace else, so I can't just take
my laptop downstairs and have them fix it up.

Now, since my laptop was reimaged in the past year, what do you
want to bet that there are still a large proportion of PC's that
are also not running SP 2 and didn't have the patch take?

So Adam, do I want Service Pack 4 on my laptop or not?

(Heh heh - Accenture Madrid got the worm on Thursday and was down
for about three hours.  They didn't deliver their patches on time
and got told off, finally, the one time it really wasn't their
fault for being so lame)

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At 11:06 15.08.2003 -0400, Alan Wild skrev:
>... to BrPaul... !
>
>and HB to Emily, wherever you are!

And from me!

Espen

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>We've talked about this before. I think time is the most important
>commodity in the BA.             --Karen

Time is just time.  Everywhere.  And the world is like an ocean.  The big
fish eat the little fish and the ocean doesn't care.


bonnie

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On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 09:32:12 +0200, steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> wrote:

>Adam Hartfield:
>= > The hacker has reinforced Microsoft's stance quite neatly, and I bet
we're
>= > not the only place where quietly, sheeply, IT has fallen right in line.
>=
>= Not in my shop. I turn off Windows Automatic Updates wherever I encounter
>= it. There have been too many "patches" that cause worse problems than
those
>= they purport to fix.
>=
>= I did go around the building loading the Blaster patch from CD or network
>= share by hand.
>=
>
>Get this:  First I get a mail from the helpdesk telling me that
>they've updated my system for me when I know they haven't because
>even though I'm logged in on the right domain, I'm on another
>physical network and their sms doesn't work there.  But they've
>helpfully included a url directly to the patch should I want to
>patch my system at home.  So I download the patch for win2k and
>run it.  It fails, telling me I need service pack 2, so I call
>the helpdesk.  They try to lead me through the steps to get
>service pack 4, but it won't install, probably because I don't
>have enough priveleges.  I'm someplace else, so I can't just take
>my laptop downstairs and have them fix it up.
>
>Now, since my laptop was reimaged in the past year, what do you
>want to bet that there are still a large proportion of PC's that
>are also not running SP 2 and didn't have the patch take?
>
>So Adam, do I want Service Pack 4 on my laptop or not?
>
>(Heh heh - Accenture Madrid got the worm on Thursday and was down
>for about three hours.  They didn't deliver their patches on time
>and got told off, finally, the one time it really wasn't their
>fault for being so lame)

yep, that happened here also - the IT people went through their hoops 3
times before they learned where to look to see if the patch took, and got
it (we hope) right.
clo

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> > Have you shared your kentucky travel plans?
>
>Only to stay here until the last possible moment.  Perhaps you missed
>our announcement of July 4th?  Anyway, as this Commonwealth is where I
>was ordained Prime Meeber it only seems proper that I consort with my
>Consort the Prime Meeberess, and the MeeberBrat Regent, as often as
>possible.
>
>JMW

>YaY.  Peace be with you.

>Betty

And also with you.

Her Consort the Prime Meeberess

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Daisy's been having some tummy troubles, so Mom and Tom took
her to the vet today.  She has worms, poor baby!  So the vet gave
her a shot, and she has to go back for two more.  The vet also put
her on Science Diet dry food.

We also have an official description of her behavior:  "Adorable!"


Evelyn Duncan
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life:  music and cats."
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>===== Original Message From English Language Discussion Group
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>At 11:06 15.08.2003 -0400, Alan Wild skrev:
>>... to BrPaul... !
>>
>>and HB to Emily, wherever you are!
>
>And from me!
>
>Espen

And from me in Sunny CA!

Terry

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In a message dated 8/16/2003 10:21:29 AM Central Daylight Time, 
twi5708u@POSTOFFICE.URI.EDU writes:
<<
>===== Original Message From English Language Discussion Group
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>At 11:06 15.08.2003 -0400, Alan Wild skrev:
>>... to BrPaul... !
>>
>>and HB to Emily, wherever you are!
>
>And from me!
>
>Espen

And from me in Sunny CA!

>>

And from me in Tulsa!

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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>At 11:22 PM 8/15/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:

>>We've talked about this before. I think time is the most important
>>commodity in the BA.

I haven't discovered this yet, I left my watch at home. :-)

We experiencethe end of summer overbooking. Everyone starts scheduling events
before summer is over.  We missed friends from Missouri (originally from
Croatia) this past week because of schedule.  So much to do, so little time.

Terry

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At 12:32 AM -0700 8/16/03, steph wrote:
>Now, since my laptop was reimaged in the past year, what do you
>want to bet that there are still a large proportion of PC's that
>are also not running SP 2 and didn't have the patch take?
>
>So Adam, do I want Service Pack 4 on my laptop or not?

I'm not Adam, but I do play a sysadmin at work. :-)  My advice is to back
up all your data -- even the stuff that isn't "critical" but would be
annoying to lose -- and then install SP4.  (And then, of course, put the
new patch on.)  I haven't yet run into a situation where SP4 screwed up
anything, although that doesn't mean it can't happen; but if the
alternative is leaving your computer unpatched, then be advised that this
particular vulnerability is the equivalent of leaving your car unlocked
with the keys in the ignition and the engine running.

And yes, there are tons of computers out there running old service packs,
or no service packs, because the quickest and easiest thing for support
people to do is to keep using the same installation disks that they
purchased however many years ago.

As for Microsoft releasing a patch that will work only on more recent
service packs, one has to ask the question: a combination of incompetence
and hubris, or a deliberate business decision?  With most companies, the
former would be a safe bet, but with Microsoft, the latter is always a
strong possibility.

Ken Miller
Systems Annalist
Babbage Engine Works

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At 10:53 AM 8/16/2003 -0400, twi5708u wrote:
> >At 11:22 PM 8/15/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >>We've talked about this before. I think time is the most important
> >>commodity in the BA.
>
>I haven't discovered this yet, I left my watch at home. :-)
>
>We experiencethe end of summer overbooking. Everyone starts scheduling events
>before summer is over.  We missed friends from Missouri (originally from
>Croatia) this past week because of schedule.  So much to do, so little time.

We're off to Muir Woods, the headlands and Golden Gate Bridge.  Sake
factory on the way home if there is time and the Berkeley Rose Garden.

Betty

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On Saturday, August 16, 2003, twi5708u wrote:
>>===== Original Message From English Language Discussion Group
> <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU> =====
>>At 11:06 15.08.2003 -0400, Alan Wild skrev:
>>>... to BrPaul... !
>>>
>>>and HB to Emily, wherever you are!
>>
>>And from me!
>>
>>Espen

> And from me in Sunny CA!

You know, I mentioned My Sweet Polenta's birthday on the day--and YOU
ALL IGNORED ME.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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On Saturday, August 16, 2003, bonniev wrote:
>>We've talked about this before. I think time is the most important
>>commodity in the BA.             --Karen

> Time is just time.  Everywhere.  And the world is like an ocean.  The big
> fish eat the little fish and the ocean doesn't care.

No, the ocean doesn't care. But in some cultures, fish is used as
currency. In the BA, it's time.

Karen

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Betty" <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
> We're off to Muir Woods, the headlands and Golden Gate Bridge.  Sake
> factory on the way home if there is time and the Berkeley Rose Garden.
>
> Betty

The sake factory would get my vote ;-P  Have a heated glass for me, aye?

Leapfest Paratroops 'been jumping all morning... clouds starting to move in,
but I think they'll cover all the teams.  I think there are close to 100
teams.

'Alan

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I am convinced that Tom Wheeler is my cousin!  I've been digging up aged
Wheelers in country stores all over Jackson County, Alabama, ones I know are
kin to me via my bastard gg-grandfather, and TOM WHEELER'S GORGEOUS BLUE EYES
ARE STARING OUT OF ALL OF THEIR HEADS!!

 -- Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4428.htm

"I realize that my students are, in fact, the oppressed, as Paulo
Freire's "The Pedagogy of the Oppressed" pointed out, and that they
are paying for their own oppression."

Karen

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On Saturday, August 16, 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4428.htm

> "I realize that my students are, in fact, the oppressed, as Paulo
> Freire's "The Pedagogy of the Oppressed" pointed out, and that they
> are paying for their own oppression."

And if that doesn't convince you....

"Let me put it succinctly: I don't think serious education is possible
in America. Anything you touch in the annals of knowledge is a foe of
this system of commerce and profit, run amok. The only education that
can be permitted is if it acculturates to the status quo, as happens
in the expensive schools, or if it produces people to police and
enforce the status quo, as in the state school where I teach.
Significantly, at my school, which is a third-tier university,
servicing working-class, first-generation college graduates who enter
lower-echelon jobs in the civil service, education, or middle
management, the favored academic concentrations are communications,
criminal justice, and social work--basically how to mystify, cage, and
control the masses."

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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so famous that if you google on his first name, he's there in the
fourth row showing off a certain dexterity

http://tinyurl.com/k82m

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Bookrat:
= At 12:32 AM -0700 8/16/03, steph wrote:
= >Now, since my laptop was reimaged in the past year, what do you
= >want to bet that there are still a large proportion of PC's that
= >are also not running SP 2 and didn't have the patch take?
= >
= >So Adam, do I want Service Pack 4 on my laptop or not?
=
= I'm not Adam, but I do play a sysadmin at work. :-)  My advice is to back
= up all your data -- even the stuff that isn't "critical" but would be
= annoying to lose -- and then install SP4.  (And then, of course, put the

Luckily My Documents synchs with my home drive on the network.
It takes a bit of discipline because I never saw any reason to
use the My Documents directory in the past, but it works pretty
well.  It also means when I log on from home via Citrix it's all
there as well.  Everything else that's on the pc is either
standard work software or downloaded from the net (winamp,
mozilla, other little utils) or something I have a cd for.
I've just had the thing reimaged withing the year because it got
a glitch somewhere and started giving me the blue screen of death
regularly.  I know that's bad, because I never crash windows.

I'll do a check off network first, but I can't hook it up
anywhere to copy off files without putting it on the network.
I'm probably relatively safe behind our firewall - I think the
only thing it lets in is http and passive ftp.


= new patch on.)  I haven't yet run into a situation where SP4 screwed up
= anything, although that doesn't mean it can't happen; but if the
= alternative is leaving your computer unpatched, then be advised that this
= particular vulnerability is the equivalent of leaving your car unlocked
= with the keys in the ignition and the engine running.
=

Did I ever tell you about the time I couldn't find the car keys
and got the spare and when I got to the car I found the other
keys, in the ignition.

= And yes, there are tons of computers out there running old service packs,
= or no service packs, because the quickest and easiest thing for support
= people to do is to keep using the same installation disks that they
= purchased however many years ago.
=

Or in this case, they haven't updated the image in a while.

= As for Microsoft releasing a patch that will work only on more recent
= service packs, one has to ask the question: a combination of incompetence
= and hubris, or a deliberate business decision?  With most companies, the
= former would be a safe bet, but with Microsoft, the latter is always a
= strong possibility.
=

Well, it does only need service pack 2, problem is when you get
to the website you can only have service pack 4.

= Ken Miller
= Systems Annalist
= Babbage Engine Works

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In a message dated 8/16/2003 9:23:47 AM, BrandyKitt@AOL.COM writes:

>And from me in Sunny CA!
And from me in uncomfortable hot Idaho. Hopefully these weather forecasters
will get it together SOON! :-(
Theo

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 15:43:29 -0500
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What do you do with fresh, baby black-eyed peas--in the shell?

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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At 03:43 PM 8/16/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>What do you do with fresh, baby black-eyed peas--in the shell?

ignore them.

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On Sat, 16 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I am convinced that Tom Wheeler is my cousin!  I've been digging up aged
>Wheelers in country stores all over Jackson County, Alabama, ones I know are
>kin to me via my bastard gg-grandfather, and TOM WHEELER'S GORGEOUS BLUE EYES
>ARE STARING OUT OF ALL OF THEIR HEADS!!

Why are they buried in country stores? Should they not be in cemeteries?

Bethany

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At 05:30 PM 8/16/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
>It's quiet on the list this weekend.  I hope that means that everyone is
>having fun.

Bonnie is inn-sitting until 8 p.m. or so.  I'm fighting some raging
sinuses.  There are rumors of thunderstorms, etc. but so far, nothing here
except the rumblings of thunder on the mainland (it has cooled off some,
though).

I saw in the paper today that Chicago is being released this weekend on
DVD.  I imagine it will a few days until the rental places have it.

cwv

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On Saturday, August 16, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> It's quiet on the list this weekend.  I hope that means that everyone is having fun.

Not having fun, but I don't want to talk about what I'm doing.

Well, I'm looking for Burl. She's somewhere in the house, and I don't
know where! (This is unusual.)

> Does anyone know if Angelina Jolie's lips are the original or if she has them full of collagen
> or whatever?

Antonio Banderas believes they are real, and that's good enough for
me: http://www.cinema.com/news/item.phtml?ID=4822

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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In a message dated 8/16/2003 5:35:19 PM Central Daylight Time, 
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
<<
Well, I'm looking for Burl. She's somewhere in the house, and I don't
know where! (This is unusual.)

>>

Have you tried the old can-and-spoon trick?

BTW:
Gonna have to get a dewormer for Sweetie, just in case.

Evelyn Duncan
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life:  music and cats."
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At 05:34 PM 8/16/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Well, I'm looking for Burl. She's somewhere in the house, and I don't
>know where! (This is unusual.)

Welcome to the world of cats.  Burl has now become sufficiently adjusted to
your place to be able to find secluded areas in which to sleep.  After
seven years here, our cats are still finding new places to hide away when
they want to be alone.

cwv

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It's quiet on the list this weekend.  I hope that means that everyone is having fun.

I am putting up sweet corn for the freezer and then pigging out on movie rentals.  Last night saw a light one (How to Lose a Man in Ten
Days) and a heavy one (Original Sin).  Tonight
another light one (Just Married).  When I went to the rental place I thought Chicago was out,
but they didn't have it.

Does anyone know if Angelina Jolie's lips are the original or if she has them full of collagen
or whatever?  

                  - D. M.

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On Saturday, August 16, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> Have you tried the old can-and-spoon trick?

She disappeared after I fed her this morning; I'm not feeding her real
food more than once/day.

> BTW:
> Gonna have to get a dewormer for Sweetie, just in case.

Good idea.

Burl usually comes when I call. This disappearing trick is a new
thing, one she's been attempting to perfect for the last several days.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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On Saturday, August 16, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> Welcome to the world of cats.  Burl has now become sufficiently adjusted to
> your place to be able to find secluded areas in which to sleep.  After
> seven years here, our cats are still finding new places to hide away when
> they want to be alone.

That's what I figure. She's been hiding out a lot lately. She'll
reappear when she wants some Kitty Love.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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>
> > Does anyone know if Angelina Jolie's lips are the original or if she
has them full of collagen
> > or whatever?
>
> Antonio Banderas believes they are real, and that's good enough for
> me: http://www.cinema.com/news/item.phtml?ID=4822
>
> Karen

Wow.  And Melanie says she thinks they are
great and she wishes she had lips like that.
Is she serious?  Am I the only one that thinks
fat lips are U G L Y ?

                  - D. M.

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In a message dated 8/16/2003 5:43:05 PM Central Daylight Time, 
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
<<
Burl usually comes when I call. This disappearing trick is a new
thing, one she's been attempting to perfect for the last several days.

>>

Is she well?  Sometimes, when a cat hides, that means that she's
not feeling well.

Evelyn Duncan
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In a message dated 8/16/2003 5:45:31 PM Central Daylight Time, 
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Am I the only one that thinks
fat lips are U G L Y ?

>>

No.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
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On Saturday, August 16, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> Is she well?  Sometimes, when a cat hides, that means that she's
> not feeling well.

She hasn't been outside much lately--we had that tornado, and lots of
rain afterwards, and then it was in the 90's again. She's definitely
feeling feisty--I have the teeth marks to prove it.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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02003-08-16 | Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM> writes:
> When I had one single machine of my own, the My Documents folder annoyed
> me and I never used it.  After we migrated to a new domain, I came to
> appreciate the beauty of having a separate default documents folder for
> each user.

Welcome to the 60s

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At 12:09 PM -0700 8/16/03, steph wrote:
>Luckily My Documents synchs with my home drive on the network.
>It takes a bit of discipline because I never saw any reason to
>use the My Documents directory in the past, but it works pretty
>well.

When I had one single machine of my own, the My Documents folder annoyed me
and I never used it.  After we migrated to a new domain, I came to
appreciate the beauty of having a separate default documents folder for
each user.

>I've just had the thing reimaged withing the year because it got
>a glitch somewhere and started giving me the blue screen of death
>regularly.  I know that's bad, because I never crash windows.

<gilbert & sullivan>
What, never?
</gilbert & sullivan>

>I'm probably relatively safe behind our firewall - I think the
>only thing it lets in is http and passive ftp.

See my previous comments on firewalls.  Also, I haven't yet heard of anyone
setting up a malicious website to deliver an RPC-DCOM attack over HTTP
(e.g., downloads a java app to the client computer which, when executed,
sends the appropriate port 445 traffic to the loopback address), but that
doesn't mean it won't happen.

>Well, it does only need service pack 2, problem is when you get
>to the website you can only have service pack 4.

It's true that Windows Update will only offer you SP4, but older SPs are
still available.  Since I don't have that tinyurl thing down yet, here's
the generic way to do it: go to the Microsoft Download Center
(<http://www.microsoft.com/downloads>), then enter the appropriate keywords
in the search form -- in this case, "service pack 2".  Look down the list,
and you'll find it.

But why do you want SP2 and not SP4?  The only reason not to go with the
most recent release is if ) it's too new, or b) there are reports of it
breaking things that used to work.  a) might be a factor in this case,
since SP4 has only been for seven weeks -- which would be an argument for
installing SP3, not SP2.  But as for b), among my peers I have not yet
heard of any problems attributable to SP4.  That's not to say you can't
google and find plenty of reported problems, but in the past I've always
known someone who had first-hand experience with something breaking after a
new SP release, and that hasn't happened this time.  Take this anecdotal
evidence for what it's worth.

Ken Miller
Technoannalist
William S. Huskisson Centre for Neoludditic Studies

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Bookrat writes,

>among my peers I have not yet heard of any problems attributable to SP4.

FWIW, I installed W2K under VMware this week, and switched over to it, and
as a matter of course installed SP4.

Unlike a real computer, it's easy to go back and run W98 whenever I want,
of course, but so far 2000 has been okay.  The main gotchas so far: it
takes forever to boot, and the menu animations were a little slow, and
significantly slowed down scrolling in Eudora.  Turning off animations
fixed that, though.

Pete

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> Daisy's been having some tummy troubles, so Mom and Tom took
> her to the vet today.  She has worms, poor baby!  So the vet gave
> her a shot, and she has to go back for two more.  The vet also put
> her on Science Diet dry food.


You're lucky that's all she has.

SD is awfully expensive.  There are good recipes for similar
diets that you can make from scratch -- cooked rice and
hamburger, for example -- on the web.  Canned pumpkin is
excellent for doggie diarrhea.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Yes, I certainly missed any July 4 announcement.  Was it an unrepeatable
announcement?


>From: John Williams <williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU>
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>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Just Another Day at the Sty
>Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:07:33 -0500
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Date: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:43 am
>
> > Have you shared your kentucky travel plans?
>
>Only to stay here until the last possible moment.  Perhaps you missed
>our announcement of July 4th?  Anyway, as this Commonwealth is where I
>was ordained Prime Meeber it only seems proper that I consort with my
>Consort the Prime Meeberess, and the MeeberBrat Regent, as often as
>possible.
>
>JMW
>
> >
> >
> > >From: John Williams <williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU>
> > >Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-
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> > >
> > >From: Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
> > >Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:15 pm
> > >Subject: Just Another Day at the Sty
> > >
> > > > In order of occurrence:
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > But, life is good.
> > >
> > >You might enjoy reading the creative writing on the police
> > blotter in
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> > >
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        I went *by myself woo hoo* to the Festival of the Little
Hills for about four hours today.  It's an enormous craft
fair in St. Charles, Mo.  I got to see the brand new bronze
statue of Lewis and Clark and their dog down by the river.
This craft fair is square miles of EZ-Ups, no lie.  Lots of
junky crafts (cheap wooden lawn stick-things, potpourri
bags, machine embroidered sweatshirts, etc.), but I found
some treasures for people on my gift lists.  I wanted a
handmade bead ankle bracelet, but I didn't see one I liked,
so I bought myself a new pottery mug with some Chinese
writing on it instead... I can't remember what it means...
peace or something like that.  It's pretty.

        It was gross-hot, though -- 95 degrees and 70% humidity.  I
can't believe I walked around for hours in that -- and ended
up with a sunburn.

        And and Keven went to see some sailboat races, but didn't
stick around because it was so hot.

Doris Markland wrote:

> It's quiet on the list this weekend.  I hope that means that everyone is having fun.
>
> I am putting up sweet corn for the freezer and then pigging out on movie rentals.  Last night saw a light one (How to Lose a Man in Ten
> Days) and a heavy one (Original Sin).  Tonight
> another light one (Just Married).  When I went to the rental place I thought Chicago was out,
> but they didn't have it.
>
> Does anyone know if Angelina Jolie's lips are the original or if she has them full of collagen
> or whatever?
>
>                   - D. M.
>
>


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> So Adam, do I want Service Pack 4 on my laptop or not?

Service Pack 4 will help protect against other known exploits, so yes, you
want it if you can get it.

--Adam
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Ask Katie, via BrP, if she knows .

Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:And won't tell me where she's been.

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On Saturday, August 16, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> http://www.nmpft.org.uk/cameron/additionimages.asp

Have we talked about Julia Cameron before? She's way cool--but I have
no idea where I learned about her.

Karen
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> Wow.  And Melanie says she thinks they are
> great and she wishes she had lips like that.
> Is she serious?  Am I the only one that thinks
> fat lips are U G L Y ?
>
>                   - D. M.

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Dear Friend,

I am Charles Sibaya a native of Cape Town in South Africa and I am an Executive Accountant with the South
African department of Mining and Natural Resources. Please accept my apology for using this medium to
convey a transaction/business of this magnitude, but this is due to the confidentiality and prompt access
reposed on this medium.

 I have decided to seek your co-operation in the execution of this deal described hereunder, for the benefit of all parties and hoping you will keep it as TOP SECRET because ofthe nature of the business. Within the department of Mining and Natural Resources (where I work as a director), and with the cooperation of four other top officials, we have in our possession as overdue payment bills totaling Eighteen Million, Five Hundred Thousand US Dollars (US$18,500,000.00)
which we want to transfer abroad with the assistance and cooperation of a company/or an individual to
receive the said funds, via a reliable Bank Account. Quite frankly, we are handicapped as the South African
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account hence your importance in this wholetransaction.

This amount (US$18.5M) represents the balance of the total value of a contract executed on behalf of my
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Though the actual cost have been paid to the original contractor leaving the balance in the tune of the said
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any foreign bank account you will provide by filing an application through the justice ministry here in South
Africa for the transfer of rights and privileges ofthe former contractor to you. I have the authority of my partners involved to
propose that should you be willing to assist us in this transaction by way of providing the required account in receiving these funds, your share of the entire sum will be 30% amounting to Us$5.55Million of the US$18.5Million, 60% amounting to US$11.1Million for us and 10% amounting to US$1.85Million will be used to settle taxation and other miscellaneous
expenses in the course of transferring the funds to your account. The business itself is 100% foolproof and safe, as long as you maintain utmost secrecy and confidentiality. furthermore your area of specialization will not be a hindrance to the
successful completion of this transaction. I have reposed my confidence in you and hope you will not
disappoint me. Should you be willing to assist positively with a common goal, endeavor to contact me
immediately through my above email address. If you are not interested, please also indicate so
that it will enable me to contact other foreign partner with recommendations to carry out this deal.

I want to assure you that my colleagues and I are in position to make the payment of this claim possible
provided that you can give us a very concrete assurance of the safety of our share. Please, always
treat this matter with utmost confidentiality, because we will not comprehend any form of exposure as we are
still in active government service. Time is of essence in this business, so kindly act fast.

I await in anticipation your fullest co-operation.

Yours Faithfully,

Charles Sibaya

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02003-08-16 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> And won't tell me where she's been.

Get the sweet polenta critter to squeal.

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On Saturday, August 16, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-08-16 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> And won't tell me where she's been.

> Get the sweet polenta critter to squeal.

So far, I can only get her to bite...

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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02003-08-16 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> You know, I mentioned My Sweet Polenta's birthday on the day--and YOU
> ALL IGNORED ME.

Sorry, my spam software traps that string.

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02003-08-16 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> so famous that if you google on his first name, he's there in the
> fourth row showing off a certain dexterity
>
> http://tinyurl.com/k82m

It used to be hit #1. Where have you been?

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http://www.nmpft.org.uk/cameron/additionimages.asp

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And won't tell me where she's been.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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On Saturday, August 16, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-08-16 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> You know, I mentioned My Sweet Polenta's birthday on the day--and YOU
>> ALL IGNORED ME.

> Sorry, my spam software traps that string.

I thought so....

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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02003-08-16 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> Am I the only one that thinks

How arrogantly assumptive!

> fat lips are U G L Y ?

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 8/16/2003 9:13:25 PM Central Daylight Time,
> rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
> <<
> SD is awfully expensive.
>
>
> What other dry food is best for dogs?


He gave you Science Diet ID because she has an upset tummy
-- it is formulated for medical problems.  It isn't a good
regular diet.

Of the grocery store brands, I personally like Pedigree
best.  I think IAMS is too gassy and Purina is too bulky.
Sometimes you have to experiment because every dog is
different.  Don't be afraid to supplement with people food
such as fruit, veggies, and meat, as long as her weight
stays where it needs to be and she tolerates it well.  All
of my dogs *love* raw carrots and sweet potatoes.  Yogurt is
also great for her.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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<<
SD is awfully expensive.  
>>

What other dry food is best for dogs?

Evelyn Duncan
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On Saturday, August 16, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> They're sure not the ones she was born with.

Cite, please.

Karen
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They're sure not the ones she was born with.

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In a message dated 8/16/2003 9:29:13 PM Central Daylight Time, 
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
<<
He gave you Science Diet ID 
>>

No, SD Puppy Original formula; since the tummy troubles are from
the worms, she gave us the regular puppy formula.

Evelyn Duncan
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life:  music and cats."
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In a message dated 8/16/2003 9:29:13 PM Central Daylight Time, 
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Yogurt is
also great for her.

>>

Yogurt and canned pumpkin are on my grocery list for tomorrow.
I just saw a commercial for Purina Indoor Cat Food; I'm going to
try that on Sweetie.

Thanks!

Evelyn Duncan
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life:  music and cats."
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Below you'll find the link to the Noone interview, and below that you'll
find the exclusive words-l edition, with all typos left intact.  I typed up
about a third of the conversation.

Next up: Niecy Nash (Reno 911 and Clean House), then Adam Brodsky.

http://www.courier-journal.com/features/columns/ruthless/2003/ruthless.html

        Peter Blair Denis Bernard Noone is better known as Herman, leader of the
British Invasion rock band Herman’s Hermits.  In the mid-sixties, hits like
“Mrs. Brown, You’ve got a lovely daughter” and “I’m Henry VII, I Am” made
Herman’s Hermits as popular as the Beatles, and turned Noone into pin-up boy
for a generation.  Wednesday, he plays a free concert at the Kentucky State
Fair.  The Interrogator caught up with him in Cleveland, the night after
he’d taped a PBS special that will air early next year.


What do you look for in a girl?

Oh, that’s one of those 16 magazine questions.  The best answer to that is
the one that George Harrison used to give.  I like a nice girl, one like my
wife.

Would you kiss a girl on the first date?

You betcha!

Do you think a girl should make the first move?

Sure… as long as the girl isn’t my daughter.

In 1966, the fashion gurus at London Tailor and Cutter Magazine dubbed you
one of the world’s ten best dressed men.  Are you still a Dapper Dan?

I think the reason I won that was because everybody else was running around
in, like, Carnaby Street crappy clothes.  At that time, rock and rollers
didn’t shop on Savile Row - that was for bankers and merchants, but I was
from a different world.  I loved wearing tailored suits; I’ve always liked
wearing stuff like that, because that’s the kind of stuff that makes my mum
happy, and mums never really do get any prizes, do they?

Herman’s Hermits, the Nashville Teens, Lulu, and the Animals were closely
associated with Mickie Most, the legendary record producer who really shaped
the British Invasion.  What’s the lasting cultural and musical legacy of the
invasion bands?

The part about the British Invasion that people don’t realize is that bands
like Herman’s Hermits, the Dave Clark Five, the Beatles, and the Stones
didn’t have to ask an A& R department whether they liked what we were doing.
  Mickie Most could make the records he wanted to make, and they had no
choice but to put them out.  The A&R people tried to be involved, but we
laughed at them.  So I think the British Invasion is more about the first
independent recording artists, because none of us had to ask for permission.

You just finished taping a TV special with a whole army of American bands
like Tommy James and The Shondells, the Grass Roots, and Gary Lewis.  Does
hanging out with all those colonials make you feel a bit like a turncoat?

Ah, well we’re all flying the coalition flag these days, aren’t we?  It
really was a show of who’s left alive from the sixties.  There’s not that
much left that’s any good, you know, apart from the Stones.  But I had fun
and didn’t make it a reverential show.  The sixties was about being
irreverent, and I just made fun of the whole event, which is exactly what
we’d have done back then.

Of the many acts that opened for Herman’s Hermits during your tours of the
U.S., which was your favorite?

The Who.  Because I think they were one of the few bands that really
understood Herman’s Hermits’ kind of punk attitude, so consequently we had a
great lot of fun on stage during the tour.  There was a great connection
socially between us and the Who, and they were such a great band.


What do you think of the current crop of boy bands?  Are any of them as cool
as Herman’s Hermits?

I think some of those guys are very smart and very talented, but Herman’s
Hermits doesn’t really fit into that genre. We were a real band. Right
before us there was Fabian, and right afterwards there was the Monkees.
Those could be responsible for the boy bands, but we were different.  We
chose a style that nobody else had, and we fought for it. We were a real
band.

For thousands of people, from Oslo to Madison, Wisconsin, a Herman’s Hermits
concert was their first rock concert.  What was it like to be an
international heartthrob in your teens?

The thing is, a lot of those concerts were our first rock concerts, too.  We
weren’t really that good, and we weren’t really trained to deal with that
stuff.  I was pretty flippant back then, and pretty disrespectful, but by
the time I was about thirty I began to really enjoy it.  And now, it’s
fabulous to spoof being a sex symbol at 55.  It’s a comedy dream to be a 55
year old guy who acts like he’s 17, and truly, for 45 or 55 minutes on stage
believes he is seventeen.

You live in California.  Did you consider running for governor?

No, no.  Politics is show business for ugly people.

Was there a Mrs. Brown?

Sure, there were lots of them, but their last names weren’t Brown.

What’s the best way for a fan to get in touch with you?

Email me at peter@peternoone.com.  I keep up with all my email.  This was a
thing we didn’t have in the sixties, a way to stay connected to the fans.
Now, if somebody writes to me, I get it within a minute, wherever I am in
the world, and I set time aside to take care of it.  I’m backed up right now
- 4507 emails I have to catch up with.

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I promise to ask him this exact question when I interview him.  It will be
easier to set up than the nosh pit question.


>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:00:02 -0500
>
>02003-08-15 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > I can vouch for folksinger Adam Brodsky (http://www.adambrodsky.com/),
>who
> > is in the midst of a quixotic quest to win his way into the Guinness
>Book
> > of World Records by performing concerts in 50 states in 50 days ...
>
>What category would that be?

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Thanks, I'll give him your regards.  Have you, will you do any folk
festivals this summer?


>From: Adam Hartfield <adamh1@COMCAST.NET>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
> > I can vouch for folksinger Adam Brodsky (http://www.adambrodsky.com/),
>who
> > is in the midst of a quixotic quest to win his way into the
>
>When you see him, make sure you mention that you know me - we're good
>friends and he's stayed here when he's been in the area. Tell him that YOU
>are the reason that he and I know each other! (It's true.)
>
>And of course I contributed to his Fifty in Fifty fundraising campaign.
>
>--Adam

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02003-08-16 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Below you'll find the link to the Noone interview, and below that you'll
> find the exclusive words-l edition, with all typos left intact.  I typed up
> about a third of the conversation.

Good job, Nipper ...

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02003-08-16 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> I promise to ask him this exact question when I interview him.  It will be
> easier to set up than the nosh pit question.

But the nosh pit question is a very important question!

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>BTW, where is Marty with his "special report"?  We are
>on tenterhooks.

http://www.leoweekly.com/archives/080603/websuspension.shtml

My editors often express similar sentiments as they await my deathless
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D'accord.  I think the nosh pit question could be the key to the whole
interview.  All the more reason to give it the proper set up.  If I were a
straightman and we were a team, we could set it up together, and he could
give it as an answer.  This is tougher than that.


>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
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>02003-08-16 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > I promise to ask him this exact question when I interview him.  It will
>be
> > easier to set up than the nosh pit question.
>
>But the nosh pit question is a very important question!

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Thanks.  I've been offered this column (the fellow who's been doing it is
moving on to other things).  I haven't yet decided whether to take it on
permanently.  I'm already writing the weekly dining review for the
alternative paper, a fair number of concert and theater reviews and
features, and then there's the library.  The worst part of this column is
that it's very steeped in mass culture--I actually felt compelled to watch
an episode of Reno 911 to familiarize myself with the comedy stylings of
Niecy Nash.

How's this question: Forty years ago, when we only had three channels,
Newton Minow described TV as a "vast wasteland."  Now, you can be seen on
three networks simultaneously (she appears on the Bernie Mac show, reno, and
hosts the new Clean House, which I think is on Style).   Is TV getting
better, or what?

How about this one:  Survivor showed scantily clad boys and girls living on
a sweaty beach.  Big Brother placed cameras in bedrooms and bathrooms.  Your
show, Clean House, involves cleaning out attics, holding a garage sale, and
reinvesting the revenues in a renovation.  Is this going to be the dirtiest
reality show yet, or what?




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>02003-08-16 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
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>up
> > about a third of the conversation.
>
>Good job, Nipper ...

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At 01:12 PM 8/16/2003 -0400, Alan Wild wrote:
>The sake factory would get my vote ;-P  Have a heated glass for me, aye?

We had one heated and the rest were excellent.


>Leapfest Paratroops 'been jumping all morning... clouds starting to move in,
>but I think they'll cover all the teams.  I think there are close to 100
>teams.

Golden Gate was foggy, too.

Betty

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> I just saw a commercial for Purina Indoor Cat Food; I'm going to try
> that on Sweetie.

Also very expensive.  I give it to my cats and they love it, though.
Two of mine are prone to urinary tract "issues" and this seems to help
with prevention.

Rita L.

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>Yes, I certainly missed any July 4 announcement.  Was it an unrepeatable
announcement?



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MURRAY, KY.--Master Carl Bradley Short announces the recent engagement
of his mother, Amy Louise Burns (Short) of Murray, and his future
stepfather, John Mark Williams of Mesa, Ariz.

    The wedding will take place in June 2004.

    The family will reside in Mesa.

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If it works out for you, see you at Connoly's at 1:30.  We're meeting Myles
there.

We are off to ride horses in the redwoods right now after having wine for
breakfast.

Betty

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Bye Betty and company! Have lots of fun for me.  I'm sorry I can't join
you.

Sharon

On Sun, 17 Aug 2003, Betty wrote:

>
> If it works out for you, see you at Connoly's at 1:30.  We're meeting Myles
> there.
>
> We are off to ride horses in the redwoods right now after having wine for
> breakfast.
>
> Betty
>

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Have FUN!

;-)



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> If it works out for you, see you at Connoly's at 1:30.  We're meeting
Myles
> there.
>
> We are off to ride horses in the redwoods right now after having wine for
> breakfast.
>
> Betty

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>Is this going to be the dirtiest reality show yet, or what?

Looks like there has already been some "competition"!

http://www.courier-journal.com/features/columns/ruthless/2003/ruthless200308
16.html

This version matches our hardcopy.

AS

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Sheesh, now Jeff's cabbaging my interviews....  This isn't the first time
the online editors of the once great newspaper have screwed up a byline, but
I'm surprised to learn that your printed edition is incorrect, since all the
print editions go through the same editorial chain.  The metro version (the
one I receive) is correct.  I'd sue, except that perhaps this mistake
actually enhances, rather than diminishes, my reputation...




>From: Amy Burns Short <amyb_short@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
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>Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 09:24:18 -0500
>
> >Is this going to be the dirtiest reality show yet, or what?
>
>Looks like there has already been some "competition"!
>
>http://www.courier-journal.com/features/columns/ruthless/2003/ruthless200308
>16.html
>
>This version matches our hardcopy.
>
>AS

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02003-08-16 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Thanks.  I've been offered this column (the fellow who's been doing it is
> moving on to other things).  I haven't yet decided whether to take it on
> permanently.  I'm already writing the weekly dining review for the
> alternative paper, a fair number of concert and theater reviews and
> features, and then there's the library.  The worst part of this column is
> that it's very steeped in mass culture--I actually felt compelled to watch
> an episode of Reno 911 to familiarize myself with the comedy stylings of
> Niecy Nash.

It's got to go.

I mean "Reno 911" ... that holds the "most played-out" record in the
Guinness Book ... To be honest all I have seen is ads on the train.
But they uniformly convey "this show is bad for your TV". It may
well be the best expression yet of the total failure of imagination
on TV and cable.

> How's this question: Forty years ago, when we only had three channels,
> Newton Minow described TV as a "vast wasteland."  Now, you can be seen on
> three networks simultaneously (she appears on the Bernie Mac show, reno, and
> hosts the new Clean House, which I think is on Style).   Is TV getting
> better, or what?
>
> How about this one:  Survivor showed scantily clad boys and girls living on
> a sweaty beach.  Big Brother placed cameras in bedrooms and bathrooms.  Your
> show, Clean House, involves cleaning out attics, holding a garage sale, and
> reinvesting the revenues in a renovation.  Is this going to be the dirtiest
> reality show yet, or what?

These are very good questions. But they can be answered by counter-
questions: for instance, "Who the hell is Newton Minow?" "Dirtiest
show, you think you are making comedy don't you nerd boy?" etc. Note,
I would not answer them in this fashion. I am just saying these are
possible answers, which are unobjectionable no matter how you cut it.

Though the TV of fifty years ago is as different a species from
today's as early reptiles from mammals, there is a clear evolutionary
link ... I think everybody would instantly agree that almost all
worthwhile material in every funny show descends from the "Honey-
mooners", with orthogonal contributions from "Sanford and Son".
This needs no proof. Spinning off new shows is really a rather
expensive technique of making copies of film.

PS: We note the two clear exceptions to the general trend. Survivor
and Buffy. These are without a doubt stunningly original and intriguing
shows, whose layered nuances are naturally savored by many an educated
palate.

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        Wow, get her away from the kids and she just cuts loose!

BF Clark wrote:

>>
>>   http://betty9901.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=43552
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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I invented the name 'Al.

Thank you


02003-08-17 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>        Wow, get her away from the kids and she just cuts loose!
>
> BF Clark wrote:
>
> >>
> >>  http://betty9901.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=43552
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>
>

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Comics in recognizably modern form, at least as early as 1460 ...

http://bugpowder.com/andy/

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> 02003-08-17 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >        Wow, get her away from the kids and she just cuts loose!
> > BF Clark wrote:

I think both of them should take a moment out of their busy schedule to
apply here:

http://www.cakenyc.com/

Ann

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02003-08-17 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > 02003-08-17 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> > >        Wow, get her away from the kids and she just cuts loose!
> > > BF Clark wrote:
>
> I think both of them should take a moment out of their busy schedule to
> apply here:
>
> http://www.cakenyc.com/

Sexual equality is the new feminism.

I hope everyone notes that.

Love,
Melinda

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In a message dated 8/17/2003 6:45:56 AM Central Daylight Time, leonard@BC.EDU 
writes:
<<
Also very expensive.  I give it to my cats and they love it, though.
Two of mine are prone to urinary tract "issues" and this seems to help
with prevention.

>>

I'll get it next time I go to Wal-Mart; it's usually cheaper than
Reasor's.  it's supposed to have "green stuff" that would be
found in nature.

Evelyn Duncan
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life:  music and cats."
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I heard about the car pileup in Austin; are you OK?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of
life:  music and cats."
--Albert Schweitzer

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On Sunday, August 17, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> I heard about the car pileup in Austin; are you OK?

Yes. I am glad I missed meeting this morning, otherwise I might have
been caught in it.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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> Thanks, I'll give him your regards.  Have you, will you do any folk
> festivals this summer?

Thanks for passing along my regards. No, I haven't done any fests this
summer - but I did drive right by FRFF (unintentionally) on my way to
Alyce's memorial service. It looked swingin' and I kinda wished I'd gone.

--Adam
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Great pictures - thanks, Betty and Larry!

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Did any of you happen to see the Monk marathon on USA today? I caught a few
episodes and loved them.

--Adam
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On Sunday, August 17, 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> Did any of you happen to see the Monk marathon on USA today? I caught a few
> episodes and loved them.

No USA, but I love Monk.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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In the "Sake" photo, you have one angel's wing.  Explanation?

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I taped some of them.    Will watch later.  I also taped The Hours off of
pay-per-view last night and just now finished watching it.  I thought it
was a very well-crafted movie.  In fact, I think the screenplay was better
written than the book.  Rather a downer, though.


>Did any of you happen to see the Monk marathon on USA today? I caught a few
>episodes and loved them.
>
>--Adam
>adamh1@comcast.net

bonnie

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You're welcome.  I added about six more from today.  We just popped the
bottle of champagne and getting ready for our salmon dinner.  It's been a
great week end.

I know that I don't need to go horseback riding ever again!  It was nice
though.

Betty

At 08:58 PM 8/17/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
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>
> > -----Original Message-----
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At 06:50 PM 8/17/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
>In the "Sake" photo, you have one angel's wing.  Explanation?

I grew the other one today.

Betty

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Tell me!!  We thought she may be a little tired because of being so sick
just last month.  She really bounced back.

Betty

At 02:59 PM 8/17/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
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>
>BF Clark wrote:
>
>>>
>>>   http://betty9901.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=43552
>>
>
>
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>

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Well, she didn't tattoo your name on her arm.  (It's on her butt)

Betty

At 04:24 PM 8/17/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>I invented the name 'Al.
>
>Thank you
>
>
>02003-08-17 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >        Wow, get her away from the kids and she just cuts loose!
> >
> > BF Clark wrote:
> >
> > >>
> > >>  http://betty9901.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=43552
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> > rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> > http://www.etext.org/~rita
> >
> >

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>months, so I'm trolling for suggestions of funny novels.
>>Anybody read anything that made them laugh lately?
>>
>
> I think I mentioned _The Secret Life of Bees_ last night.  Though not a
> "funny novel," there were moments in it that made me laugh, I think.
> And it's not at all heavy reading.


A lot of people I know have liked this book -- and Amazon
has been recommending it to me mercilessly -- but after
Faulkner and O'Connor, I don't think I can take another
southern lit. right now.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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I tried reintroducing the router to my computer life and found the
computer freaking out again -- recovering from SERIOUS ERRORS, checking
for disk consistency problems, etc. etc.  And no DSL.  Removing it once
again solved the problems.  So I am firewallless.
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On my way to pick up Spencer at Furrbabies about an hour ago, I listened
to a Norseman talking about cooking.

--
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Rita Chapman wrote:

> A lot of people I know have liked this book -- and Amazon
> has been recommending it to me mercilessly -- but after
> Faulkner and O'Connor, I don't think I can take another
> southern lit. right now.

It in no way resembles Faulkner or O'Connor.  Well, maybe in some ways.
It does have an element of the Southern gothic, I guess, though it's not
<rendered> in a Will/Flannery style.  And one of the main characters is
sort of Dilsey-like -- a strong, nurturing African American woman who
offers wisdom and hope.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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http://www.gwbush04.com/

Karen

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Natalie writes,

>I tried reintroducing the router to my computer life and found the
>computer freaking out again -- recovering from SERIOUS ERRORS, checking
>for disk consistency problems, etc. etc.

Although I can understand why you wouldn't want to re-install the router,
normally these shouldn't be caused by the presence of a dead router, and
they indicate either problems with the router control program (if you
installed it -- it's entirely unnecessary), or your computer.

Pete

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What an embarrassing eoops!

02003-08-17 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> Well, she didn't tattoo your name on her arm.  (It's on her butt)
>
> Betty
>
> At 04:24 PM 8/17/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >I invented the name 'Al.
> >
> >Thank you
> >
> >
> >02003-08-17 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >>        Wow, get her away from the kids and she just cuts loose!
> >>
> >> BF Clark wrote:
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>  http://betty9901.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=43552

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02003-08-18 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> http://www.gwbush04.com/

LOL!

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On Monday, August 18, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-08-18 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> http://www.gwbush04.com/

> LOL!

Thank you for your inciteful comment.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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02003-08-18 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Monday, August 18, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-08-18 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> http://www.gwbush04.com/
>
> > LOL!
>
> Thank you for your inciteful comment.

Thank YOU for the pun-filled ride!

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On Monday, August 18, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-08-18 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Monday, August 18, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > 02003-08-18 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> >> http://www.gwbush04.com/
>>
>> > LOL!
>>
>> Thank you for your inciteful comment.

> Thank YOU for the pun-filled ride!

Thank YOU for helping me realize that I do indeed have food-related
nicknames for my friends, OREO-TU.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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02003-08-18 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Monday, August 18, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-08-18 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> On Monday, August 18, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> > 02003-08-18 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> >> http://www.gwbush04.com/
> >>
> >> > LOL!
> >>
> >> Thank you for your inciteful comment.
>
> > Thank YOU for the pun-filled ride!
>
> Thank YOU for helping me realize that I do indeed have food-related
> nicknames for my friends, OREO-TU.

LOL!

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Sample exchange from the bulletin board ... Of course, there is
no clue on the site about the "Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood" which
is obviously central to the whole work ...


Bit of a Madam

Name: Sarah, From: Kent, Posted: 27/06/03

I heard the Julia Cameron could be a bit of a madam and people
would very rarely say no to her, is this true?


RE: Bit of a Madam
Name: Tracy, From: Kettering, Posted: 16/07/03

Yes I heard she was a right cow!


RE: Bit of a Madam

Name: Nina, From: Hebden Bridge, Posted: 25/07/03

Pioneers ted to be very focused people. That's why they achieve
things even if they're not a bundle of laughs! nina

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Maybe this boredom has been 50 years in the making:

    "Playboy allowed you to find out about how to be
    a better man, how to cook, how to dress, how to
    decorate better, all under the pretext of wanting
    to get the girl," said James K. Beggan, a
    psychologist at the University of Louisville in
    Kentucky, a much-published academic expert on the
    world of Playboy.

    "You said you read it for the articles knowing
    that that was doubletalk for saying you read it
    for the girls. When in reality, you really did
    read it for the articles."

Don't kill me just yet, though. I want to watch the PBS
retrospective. And the glittering party. With the same
unflagging enthusiasm with which I watch the "Oscars"
and "Emmys" and "Miss Universe" every stupid year.

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On Monday, August 18, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Don't kill me just yet, though. I want to watch the PBS
> retrospective. And the glittering party. With the same
> unflagging enthusiasm with which I watch the "Oscars"
> and "Emmys" and "Miss Universe" every stupid year.

Tushar, you are in serious need of a life.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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I retract my jackass tone.

FOUR HITS for Emmy Noether on the FIRST Google page for "Emmy".

There is a god

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02003-08-18 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Monday, August 18, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Don't kill me just yet, though. I want to watch the PBS
> > retrospective. And the glittering party. With the same
> > unflagging enthusiasm with which I watch the "Oscars"
> > and "Emmys" and "Miss Universe" every stupid year.
>
> Tushar, you are in serious need of a life.

Thank you for the penetrating incite.

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"I heave the basketball; I know it sails in a parabola, exhibiting
perfect symmetry, which is interrupted by the basket. Its funny, but it
is always interrupted by the basket."


Michael Jordan (former Chicago Bull)

On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant
wrote:

> I retract my jackass tone.
>
> FOUR HITS for Emmy Noether on the FIRST Google page for "Emmy".
>
> There is a god
>

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My younger sister, Barbara Ann, would be 64 today if she had not succumbed
to polio in 1950. She was 11 when she died that summer. I cannot imagine
what she would have been like as an adult.

She died in an iron lung. My mother says that the last thing Barbara Ann
said to her in the hospital, after being placed in the iron lung, was "I'm
sorry to cause so much trouble." I find that very difficult to believe.

Barbara Ann, wherever you are, smile on us all, I pray.

Bethany

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> My younger sister, Barbara Ann, would be 64 today if she had not
succumbed
> to polio in 1950. She was 11 when she died that summer. I cannot
imagine
> what she would have been like as an adult.
>
> She died in an iron lung. My mother says that the last thing Barbara
Ann
> said to her in the hospital, after being placed in the iron lung, was
"I'm
> sorry to cause so much trouble." I find that very difficult to
believe.
>
> Barbara Ann, wherever you are, smile on us all, I pray.
>
> Bethany

That must have been terribly sad for you.
I remember those scary years so well.

I think you can believe that your sister said
those words.  Sounds like a typical statement
from a young girl in that situation.

          - D. M.

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>From the New Scientist:

  The first game-playing DNA computer has been revealed - an
  enzyme-powered tic-tac-toe machine that cannot be beaten.

  The human player makes his or her moves by dropping DNA into
  3 by 3 square of wells that make up the board. The device then
  uses a complex mixture of DNA enzymes to determine where it
  should place its nought or cross, and signals its move with
  a green glow.

My first reaction: I just KNOW somebody's going to say "Heh!
My 6-year-old can play that game!"

And that's my reaction because this morning I remembered seeing
my first "home computer" ... a rich kid had brought it to school
and we had a "computer show". He ran a program and a few white
lines appeared on a black screen, and they looked like a street
with lamp posts, drawn in perspective. Then he changed a number
and reran it, and the "street" went left instead of right, and
so on. And I was watching, absolutely enthralled, when some
idiot says: "Pfft! I can do this on an etch-a-sketch!"

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According to today's Motley Fool, Coke is planning on canning
Fruitopia.  Pity; I really like the Grape Beyond.

Evelyn Duncan
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02003-08-18 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> "I heave the basketball; I know it sails in a parabola, exhibiting
> perfect symmetry, which is interrupted by the basket. Its funny, but it
> is always interrupted by the basket."
>
>
> Michael Jordan (former Chicago Bull)

What the?

Parabola?

I feel like the "Alice Cooper" scene in Wayne's World.

I am truly, terminally unworthy.

I SUCK.

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>Thank YOU for helping me realize that I do indeed
>have food-related nicknames for my friends, OREO-TU.

And I will not thank you for forever ruining
a perfectly good word.

"That Italian cornmeal mush stuff."

Yeah, that'll have to do.

When pet-names go public, it's yoogly.

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Somebody posted this to chicago.stupid (a privately circulated
newsgroup). But I think it's very heart-warming ...

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/6560731.htm

"That was a rare show of cynicism about the elf."

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Tushar:
> Don't kill me just yet, though. I want to watch the PBS
> retrospective. And the glittering party. With the same
> unflagging enthusiasm with which I watch the "Oscars"
> and "Emmys" and "Miss Universe" every stupid year.

Ah.  So that's why I never see you at Hef's parties.

--
Star-79

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02003-08-18 | hominy cricket <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> >Thank YOU for helping me realize that I do indeed
> >have food-related nicknames for my friends, OREO-TU.
>
> And I will not thank you for forever ruining
> a perfectly good word.
>
> "That Italian cornmeal mush stuff."
>
> Yeah, that'll have to do.
>
> When pet-names go public, it's yoogly.

You will NOT talk to my darling egg salad like that!

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Peter Kaminski wrote:
> >I tried reintroducing the router to my computer life and found the
> >computer freaking out again -- recovering from SERIOUS ERRORS, checking
> >for disk consistency problems, etc. etc.
>
> Although I can understand why you wouldn't want to re-install the router,

But I tried.  It wouldn't work.  The computer went bonkers when I
reattached the router and would not let me proceed with the
reinstallation.

> normally these shouldn't be caused by the presence of a dead router, and
> they indicate either problems with the router control program (if you
> installed it -- it's entirely unnecessary), or your computer.

I don't remember any router-control program.  My computer may of course
be sick, but it makes a very good show of health as long as the router
isn't connected.  Everything seems fine without the router.

I've been thinking that I need a laptop.  This sounded good to me:

****************
Budget Dell CDRW/DVD Laptop Sale, Aug 18
Dell has the Inspiron 1100 Notebook Celeron 2Ghz, 14.1" XGA Screen,
256MB RAM/30GB HD, CDRW/DVD, 56K modem, Ethernet, XP Home for a low $949
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$250 rebate Exp 8/20/03
****************
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But I dunno.

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02003-08-18 | hominy cricket <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> Tushar:
> > Don't kill me just yet, though. I want to watch the PBS
> > retrospective. And the glittering party. With the same
> > unflagging enthusiasm with which I watch the "Oscars"
> > and "Emmys" and "Miss Universe" every stupid year.
>
> Ah.  So that's why I never see you at Hef's parties.

Oh no, I am back there with the AV guys ...

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> My younger sister, Barbara Ann, would be 64 today if she had not succumbed
> to polio in 1950. She was 11 when she died that summer. I cannot imagine
> what she would have been like as an adult.

That must be a really strange thought -- the trying to imagine her as an
adult.

> She died in an iron lung. My mother says that the last thing Barbara Ann
> said to her in the hospital, after being placed in the iron lung, was "I'm
> sorry to cause so much trouble." I find that very difficult to believe.

I can imagine that as being what she might say.

> Barbara Ann, wherever you are, smile on us all, I pray.

She's laughing up a storm at us.

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Karen:
> Tushar, you are in serious need of a life.

Until that happens, why not try forwarding
us a URL worth chasing.  Certainly with all
your time online you're run across one.

"It makes it SO much more interesting for
the listener!"

...and to think I almost suggested a use
for your fresh blackeyes.

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On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

>I think you can believe that your sister said
>those words.  Sounds like a typical statement
>from a young girl in that situation.

Thanks - it's just very out of character. She was miserable in our home
and was afraid of our father. The weekend before she died, she told me
she was planning to run way.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> >I think you can believe that your sister said
> >those words.  Sounds like a typical statement
> >from a young girl in that situation.
>
> Thanks - it's just very out of character. She was miserable in our home
> and was afraid of our father. The weekend before she died, she told me
> she was planning to run way.

Judging as an outsider, it seems to me that what you said here fits very
well with her last comment.  I can think of a bunch of different
psychological scenarios to prompt that comment.

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I'm late in reading news today.  Why would the NCAA grant a waiver
allowing a basketball player to not sit out a season when transfering to
another school?

http://www.clarionledger.com/news/0308/18/sbaylor.html

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On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Judging as an outsider, it seems to me that what you said here fits very
>well with her last comment.  I can think of a bunch of different
>psychological scenarios to prompt that comment.

One of the frustrating things for me was that I was not allowed to go to
the hospital. She was ill on Sunday/Monday, in the hospital by Tuesday,
in the iron lung by Thursday and died on Friday, as I recall. It was
incredibly quick. But I never say her after she left home. I don't know
what her emotional state was. My parents were not at all helpful to me. I
was left alone most of the week.

Bethany

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02003-08-18 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> >* Whistle tips are annoying and disruptive.
>
> What the heck is a <whistle tip>?

Watch the video ... Woooo-WOOOOOOOOO!!!!

http://homepage.mac.com/howheels/rubpics/woowoo.wmv

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Where are you, Bradykins?  I hate it when you're silent for long periods
of time.  I started to call you from Sand Mountain a couple of days ago,
but the cell phone didn't have enough champagne glasses showing to make
me confident that it would get through to you.
--
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Natalie:
> Where are you, Bradykins?

I thought about Brad and his Daddy
and their <pronunciation disagreement>
on August 4th, the feast of the patron
of small, fatty, salty sausages:

       St. John Vianney

...but figured Brad wouldn't read it
and nobody else'd get it.

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On Monday, August 18, 2003, hominy cricket wrote:
> I thought about Brad and his Daddy
> and their <pronunciation disagreement>
> on August 4th, the feast of the patron
> of small, fatty, salty sausages:

>        St. John Vianney

> ...but figured Brad wouldn't read it
> and nobody else'd get it.

I would have gotten it, but I wouldn't have commented on it other than
to say that "When pet-names go public, it's yoogly".

Karen

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Thank you, Dr Borkin. It is really very pleasant to walk down Western
Ave with a "mango lassi", after a slamming "chicken tikka" on Devon.
Past the 100% Halal Italian Express (don't even think of asking me
what that means, I don't know) and "Bibya Malik's Hair Salon", to
the bus stop, past the cemetary and finally home.

I have depicted this route in http://lnk.to/westernave ... pretty
complex, huh.

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02003-08-18 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> I would have gotten it, but I wouldn't have commented on it other than
> to say that "When pet-names go public, it's yoogly".

I LOVE YOU MY CHICKEN FAJITA!

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But for now, a summary of the transcript at
http://homepage.mac.com/howheels/bubbtext.html ...

* Whistle tips are annoying and disruptive.

* A working class guy who cannot possibly look more "black" talks
  about it enthusiastically. The lady he is with agrees.

* A prissy middle class lady who cannot possibly look more "white"
  says it's driving her nuts and she can't concentrate.

* A Latino shop owner says he has nothing to do with any of this,
  and he will keep selling the whistles while people want them.

* The reporter says there have been no accidents ... yet.

* A car with a whistle tip careens wildly down a grimy industrial
  street and runs a stop sign.

* The end.

They don't need any subtlety in California ...

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At 06:21 PM 8/18/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>I'm late in reading news today.  Why would the NCAA grant a waiver
>allowing a basketball player to not sit out a season when transfering to
>another school?
>
>http://www.clarionledger.com/news/0308/18/sbaylor.html

They only consider it in very unusual circumstances.  In this instance, two
Baylor players were involved in murder---one is dead, the other is charged
with the homicide.  Moreover, the coach has already admitted to recruiting
and other violations and has resigned.  Now it is apparent that he also was
trying to Nixon the whole thing, including implying that the murdered
player was a drug dealer.  It is a messy situation.  The president of
Baylor has publicly stated that he will hold no present player to their
scholarship committment and that he will support any petition to allow any
player to transfer without the "year sitting out" penalty.  Clearly, the
basketball program at Baylor is on its back.  No coach, several players
already indicating that they will leave, a murder investigation and trial,
NCAA violations, etc.

cwv

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... So thanks to Betty and Larry, so much!  You guys really made Terry feel
special.  I'm so glad Terry could have this wonderful experience  |-)

Lillia & I are still reeling from our tattoo crisis, but we'll be fine 8-|
in a few weeks... ;-)   Two y/o Edward never gave up pointing to Mom's spot
in the bed in the morning and announcing her name.  He was sleeping at the
terminal when Terry arrived, and I passed him to her, as I took her
inanimate bags (besides, they had fine sake in them somewhere :)   He woke
up in her arms, and it didn't dawn on him right away, but within seconds he
realized that his Mommy was holding him.  Ew!  Beam he did.  (Ter still had
the camera tucked away... har!)

Oh... I checked Ter's butt...  right in the terminal.  'Quite a scene.  'No
Tushar...  phew...

'Alan

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>* Whistle tips are annoying and disruptive.

What the heck is a <whistle tip>?

Bethany

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On Monday, August 18, 2003, hominy cricket wrote:
> Karen:
>> Tushar, you are in serious need of a life.

> Until that happens, why not try forwarding
> us a URL worth chasing.

You didn't like the one about Bush in 2004?

> Certainly with all
> your time online you're run across one.

Time online!=time searching for interesting URLs for Richard

Whether you approve or not, I'm connected to the Internet when my
computer boots up.

> ...and to think I almost suggested a use
> for your fresh blackeyes.

They weren't mine, they were a friend's. And she's already used them,
AFAIK.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>> >* Whistle tips are annoying and disruptive.
>>
>> What the heck is a <whistle tip>?
>
>Watch the video ... Woooo-WOOOOOOOOO!!!!

The video???

Bethany

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02003-08-18 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Monday, August 18, 2003, hominy cricket wrote:
> > Karen:
> >> Tushar, you are in serious need of a life.
>
> > Until that happens, why not try forwarding
> > us a URL worth chasing.
>
> You didn't like the one about Bush in 2004?

That was the super-cryptic message, my sweet kifta kabab ...

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02003-08-18 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >> >* Whistle tips are annoying and disruptive.
> >>
> >> What the heck is a <whistle tip>?
> >
> >Watch the video ... Woooo-WOOOOOOOOO!!!!
>
> The video???

Are you not seeing any of the URLs I posted? Wonder if
somebody's virus-scanning a little too strictly ...

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--- Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> wrote:
> According to today's Motley Fool, Coke is planning
> on canning
> Fruitopia.  Pity; I really like the Grape Beyond.

Sooner or later, everything gets canned.

Is all well with the Duncan clan?  Heard something
about a big fire in Tulsa

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> One of the frustrating things for me was that I was not allowed to go to
> the hospital.

I can understand how that could happen -- either from hospital rules or
from your parents thinking it was not wise, either for physical reasons
or emotional reasons, even if the emotional reasons were wrong.

> She was ill on Sunday/Monday, in the hospital by Tuesday,
> in the iron lung by Thursday and died on Friday, as I recall. It was
> incredibly quick. But I never say her after she left home. I don't know
> what her emotional state was. My parents were not at all helpful to me. I
> was left alone most of the week.

What a horrible experience.  Were you also quarantined after the
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hominy cricket wrote:

> I thought about Brad and his Daddy

I think about them every time I see a Waffle House, which has been quite
often in the past month or so because of my travels.  I've stayed at a
bunch of Days Inns lately, which often seem to be adjacent to Waffle
Houses.  (On this last trip I was at a Holiday Inn Express because of a
coupon I picked up at a rest area, but it was across the street from a
Days Inn with an adjacent Waffle House.)
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And thanks for calling, Terry.  We really had a wonderful time. It was a
great week end.  I have to go to bed now.  We drank all the champagne,
sorry 'Al.

Betty

At 08:14 PM 8/18/2003 -0400, Alan Wild wrote:
>... So thanks to Betty and Larry, so much!  You guys really made Terry feel
>special.  I'm so glad Terry could have this wonderful experience  |-)
>
>Lillia & I are still reeling from our tattoo crisis, but we'll be fine 8-|
>in a few weeks... ;-)   Two y/o Edward never gave up pointing to Mom's spot
>in the bed in the morning and announcing her name.  He was sleeping at the
>terminal when Terry arrived, and I passed him to her, as I took her
>inanimate bags (besides, they had fine sake in them somewhere :)   He woke
>up in her arms, and it didn't dawn on him right away, but within seconds he
>realized that his Mommy was holding him.  Ew!  Beam he did.  (Ter still had
>the camera tucked away... har!)
>
>Oh... I checked Ter's butt...  right in the terminal.  'Quite a scene.  'No
>Tushar...  phew...
>
>'Alan

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

>  The president of
> Baylor has publicly stated that he will hold no present player to their
> scholarship committment and that he will support any petition to allow any
> player to transfer without the "year sitting out" penalty.

Aha.  This sounds like a likely reason that the NCAA would consider
making such a waiver.  I knew about the murder and scandals, of course,
but I hadn't been following the situation closely and thought that maybe
a new coach was stepping in and trying to get the program back on track
and that the Pres and everybody else would be all for that.

Uh oh.  Thunder is arumbling.  It may be turn-off-computer time.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> hominy cricket wrote:
>
>
>>I thought about Brad and his Daddy
>>
>
> I think about them every time I see a Waffle House, which has been quite
> often in the past month or so because of my travels.  I've stayed at a
> bunch of Days Inns lately, which often seem to be adjacent to Waffle
> Houses.  (On this last trip I was at a Holiday Inn Express because of a
> coupon I picked up at a rest area, but it was across the street from a
> Days Inn with an adjacent Waffle House.)
> --


        Me, too.  I've never been in a Waffle House, though.  There
are plenty around here -- in fact, there's one on the road
to the marina where we keep the boat.  Maybe I should make
it a goal to stop there some night on our way back from the
river (boating season is winding down -- the river is so
low that it's just plain hazardous out there -- even the
barges are getting stuck).



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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At 08:31 PM 8/18/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>hominy cricket wrote:
>
> > I thought about Brad and his Daddy
>
>I think about them every time I see a Waffle House, which has been quite
>often in the past month or so because of my travels.  I've stayed at a
>bunch of Days Inns lately, which often seem to be adjacent to Waffle
>Houses.  (On this last trip I was at a Holiday Inn Express because of a
>coupon I picked up at a rest area, but it was across the street from a
>Days Inn with an adjacent Waffle House.)

Myles talked about him, too.  Myles looked great, btw. He is still selling
puzzles pedaling his ass.

Betty

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Betty wrote:

> At 08:31 PM 8/18/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>> hominy cricket wrote:
>>
>> > I thought about Brad and his Daddy
>>
>> I think about them every time I see a Waffle House, which has been quite
>> often in the past month or so because of my travels.  I've stayed at a
>> bunch of Days Inns lately, which often seem to be adjacent to Waffle
>> Houses.  (On this last trip I was at a Holiday Inn Express because of a
>> coupon I picked up at a rest area, but it was across the street from a
>> Days Inn with an adjacent Waffle House.)
>
>
> Myles talked about him, too.  Myles looked great, btw. He is still selling
> puzzles pedaling his ass.


        Damn it!  I want to meet Myles.



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In a message dated 8/18/2003 8:28:09 PM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Is all well with the Duncan clan?  Heard something
about a big fire in Tulsa

>>

Airgas went up in flames and took a part of the neighborhood
with it.  The first explosion happened about 4:30; Airgas stored
a lot of flammable chemicals on its property.  The resulting fire
spread to a number of homes and to a furniture-and-appliance
store that had been there for 45 years.

This took place in north Tulsa; those living north of I-244 cannot
yet return to their homes; those living south of I-244 can.

Airgas is the largest distributor of industrial gas canisters
in the country with 800 locations.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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Before I turn off the computer (and am feeling somewhat leisurely about
it since the thunder doesn't seem to be galloping quickly):  somebody
asked me today whether there would be a new Survivor this fall -- he
said that he *needed* a new Survivor.  (I love it when I think about
those who look down upon Survivor watchers as <dumb> or whatever.  The
person who asked me is one of the smartest people I've ever known.  Rice
PhD in Physics, major mover and shaker in gamma rays, knowledgeable in
the humanities as well as the sciences, creates computer games as a
hobby, etc. etc.)  Anyway, I promised him that my Words-L friends would
know the answer.  I bet a web search would also produce an answer.  But
IMFTAOTL.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>Are you not seeing any of the URLs I posted? Wonder if
>somebody's virus-scanning a little too strictly ...

Oh - I do not think of URLs as being <videos>. Maybe later ... if I can
find one ...>

Bethany

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Good report, Alan!  I especially liked the part about Edward waking up
and doing a double-take.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>What a horrible experience.  Were you also quarantined after the
>diagnosis?

No - neither before not after. If anyone was to be quarantined, it should
have been my parents - they went to the hospital. They just left me at
home alone most of the week.

Bethany

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At 08:35 PM 8/18/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
        Me, too.  I've never been in a Waffle House, though.  There
>are plenty around here -- in fact, there's one on the road
>to the marina where we keep the boat.  Maybe I should make
>it a goal to stop there some night on our way back from the
>river (boating season is winding down -- the river is so
>low that it's just plain hazardous out there -- even the
>barges are getting stuck).

I had my only Waffle House experience when we visited Kentucky. John,
Sylvia, Larry and I even made off with a menu which I have in my
possession. John scarfed up the grits and I did have to try them. It was
like bland malt-o-meal.

Betty

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At 02:41 PM 8/17/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > 02003-08-17 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> > >        Wow, get her away from the kids and she just cuts loose!
> > > BF Clark wrote:
>
>I think both of them should take a moment out of their busy schedule to
>apply here:
>
>http://www.cakenyc.com/

Are you on the mailing list?

Betty

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At 08:37 PM 8/18/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
>>At 08:31 PM 8/18/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>
>>>hominy cricket wrote:
>>>
>>> > I thought about Brad and his Daddy
>>>
>>>I think about them every time I see a Waffle House, which has been quite
>>>often in the past month or so because of my travels.  I've stayed at a
>>>bunch of Days Inns lately, which often seem to be adjacent to Waffle
>>>Houses.  (On this last trip I was at a Holiday Inn Express because of a
>>>coupon I picked up at a rest area, but it was across the street from a
>>>Days Inn with an adjacent Waffle House.)
>>
>>
>>Myles talked about him, too.  Myles looked great, btw. He is still selling
>>puzzles AND pedaling his ass.
>
>
>        Damn it!  I want to meet Myles.

Come to Santa Rosa!  We stopped by Lorinda and Kevin's so they finally got
to meet the guy who gave the name for her thesis.

Betty

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Amazing.  What kind of safety record have they?  I
presume we can rule out terrorism, its being the
current bandwagon.


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At 09:57 PM 8/18/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > Terry and I both thought about Adam as we looked down the cliffs while
> > riding and walking in the redwoods.  Why do the horses have to walk on the
> > very edge??
>
>Because they KNOW you're afraid.
>
>Yikes.

I admit feeling a bit anxious when we were really up there and looking
down.  I relaxed and figured the horse didn't want to fall off the cliff
either.

Betty

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Betty wrote:

> I had my only Waffle House experience when we visited Kentucky. John,
> Sylvia, Larry and I even made off with a menu which I have in my
> possession. John scarfed up the grits and I did have to try them. It was
> like bland malt-o-meal.

What's malt-o-meal?  I adore good grits, though I seldom have them since
I don't cook full-fledged breakfasts at home and find that more and more
often these days when traveling that I'm at motels that don't have
restaurants but have dippy continental breakfasts.  The last time I ate
breakfast in a regular restaurant was in Bar Harbor, I think, where I
don't remember grits being on the menu.  That makes me sad when I'm
eating breakfast in a regular restaurant.  A full-fledged breakfast
demands grits.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 08:41 PM 8/18/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Good report, Alan!  I especially liked the part about Edward waking up
>and doing a double-take.

Terry and I both thought about Adam as we looked down the cliffs while
riding and walking in the redwoods.  Why do the horses have to walk on the
very edge??

Betty

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >What a horrible experience.  Were you also quarantined after the
> >diagnosis?
>
> No - neither before not after. If anyone was to be quarantined, it should
> have been my parents - they went to the hospital. They just left me at
> home alone most of the week.

The reason I asked was that I was remembering my quarantined neighbors
when the mother of the family was "in Vicksburg."  Back in those
terrible times, being "in Vicksburg" meant "has polio."  Why Vicksburg,
I don't remember.  It was for some reason the place everybody went to
get into iron lungs.  (Mrs. Buie survived the polio and is still alive
today, in her 90s.  She has been somewhat crippled ever since the polio,
worse as she aged.  But she is otherwise healthy and quite alert.  She
came to the funeral home when my mother died, and we had a good time
talking about old neighborhood stories.)

I know I've told the story here before about how Webster Buie and I
really did think we were obeying the quarantine rules when I would go
over to the curb beside his yard after school every day to tell him what
all had gone on that day.  He never left his yard, thus not disobeying
the quarantine rules.  I never entered his yard, thus not disobeying the
quarantine rules.  We conscientiously stood there with our faces about
an inch apart but with our feet carefully planted on the legal places --
his in his yard, mine on the street/curb beside his yard.

The thunder seems to have gone away, btw.  I was watching the lightning
outside and found it almost like a combination of heat lightning and
real lightning.  I think the weather is confused about what it wants to
do right now.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Me, too.  I've never been in a Waffle House, though.

I haven't either.  Or at least I don't think I have.

--
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> Terry and I both thought about Adam as we looked down the cliffs while
> riding and walking in the redwoods.  Why do the horses have to walk on the
> very edge??

Because they KNOW you're afraid.

Yikes.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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> I thought about Brad and his Daddy
> and their <pronunciation disagreement>
> on August 4th, the feast of the patron
> of small, fatty, salty sausages:
>
>        St. John Vianney
>
> ...but figured Brad wouldn't read it
> and nobody else'd get it.

Southerners know his saintedness well, but are apt to
say "Vie-enner".


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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Damn it!  I want to meet Myles.

It seems weird to think that you've never ftf'ed with Myles.  But, now
that I think about it, Myles's main list time was probably during your
long leave from the list.  Surely you overlapped for at least a little
while, though, didn't you?

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Hartfield" <adamh1@COMCAST.NET>
> > Terry and I both thought about Adam as we looked down the cliffs while
> > riding and walking in the redwoods.  Why do the horses have to walk on
the
> > very edge??
>
> Because they KNOW you're afraid.
>
> Yikes.
>
> --Adam

Yes... The horses have plans of their own.  (Yikes!  Heya!  Whoa! ...

Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooa!)

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In a message dated 8/18/2003 8:49:48 PM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
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Amazing.  What kind of safety record have they?
>>

Their website is www.airgas.com.

Evelyn Duncan
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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>>  Why do the horses have to walk on the
> > very edge??
>
> Because they KNOW you're afraid.

Horses really do seem to know that kind of thing and really do seem to
delight in punishing you.  As a <city girl>, I did not grow up with much
horse experience, but I did spend lots and lots of time riding horses at
a stable in junior high years.  I never did understand why we got to
ride free, but we did if we were with people who owned horses who were
kept there.  Oh how I wanted to buy Rusty and have him as my very own
horse.  But we really couldn't afford it.  I remember Daddy saying that
the cost of Rusty wasn't the problem -- the problem was the cost of the
upkeep -- the boarding fee, etc.  Anyway, we rode horses quite a bit
during those years, doing things like jumping (small hurdles), riding
bareback, etc.  It never occurred to me to be afraid of anything.  And I
rode various horses, not just Rusty.  Then a good many years passed, and
I found myself upon a horse on somebody's farm when I was in my late
twenties.  I felt so way up in the air.  It seemed a bit scary.  The
horse caught on right away and delighted in racing full-speed-ahead
toward a tree, trying to knock me off on a branch.  The farm owners
agreed that the horse was well aware of what he was doing -- that he was
trying to scare me.  (And it was kind of scary, though I managed to hang
on and not be scraped off by the tree branch.)

I just remembered that I got the CD in horseback at Camp DeSoto.  That
was a *big* honor.  A CD was an important thing to get.  At the end of
the session, one CD was awarded for each activity.  It was for the
person who showed the most progress.  That wasn't hard for me to do, I
guess, since I started knowing zilch about horse-show riding.  I managed
to move up from the beginner's ring to the whatever ring and ended up
riding in a horse-show.  I don't think I won any prizes in it, but the
fact that I had progressed that far gave me the horseback CD, which was
a much coveted one.  I wonder where it is.  I know it's somewhere around
here.  It was like a letter thing -- as in something to wear on a
letter-sweater.  CD stood for Camp DeSoto, of course.  I was by there
just day before yesterday.  Took a picture of the Camp DeSoto sign.
It's near Mentone, Alabama.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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--- Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:
> Betty wrote:
>
> > I had my only Waffle House experience when we
> visited Kentucky. John,
> > Sylvia, Larry and I even made off with a menu
> which I have in my
> > possession. John scarfed up the grits and I did
> have to try them. It was
> > like bland malt-o-meal.
>
> What's malt-o-meal?

I don't know what it is, either.  But all of Waffle
King's food tastes like it.

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Malt-O-Meal?  It's a malt-flavored wheat hot cereal; I like it during
the wintertime when I get tired of oatmeal.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
Home of the Puppy 500

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On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> > Michael Jordan (former Chicago Bull)
> What the?
> Parabola?
> I feel like the "Alice Cooper" scene in Wayne's World.
> I am truly, terminally unworthy.
> I SUCK.

I don't understand.  Does anybody understand this?

Ann

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02003-08-18 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >Are you not seeing any of the URLs I posted? Wonder if
> >somebody's virus-scanning a little too strictly ...
>
> Oh - I do not think of URLs as being <videos>. Maybe later ... if I can
> find one ...>

Everything is online now, welcome to the WiR3D age!

http://homepage.mac.com/howheels/rubpics/woowoo.wmv

Wooo-WOOOOOOOOOOO!

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On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> Thank you, Dr Borkin. It is really very pleasant to walk down Western
> Ave with a "mango lassi", after a slamming "chicken tikka" on Devon.

I'll be your Mango Lassi if you'll be my Cha(i)nna Dal

Ann

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At 09:14 PM 8/18/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>What's malt-o-meal?

It's a breakfast cereal.  http://www.malt-o-meal.com/

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At 10:24 PM 8/18/2003 -0400, Alan Wild wrote:

>Yes... The horses have plans of their own.  (Yikes!  Heya!  Whoa! ...
>
>Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooa!)

On the way back, mine was biting the butt of the one in front of me.

Betty

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> --- Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:
>
>>Betty wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I had my only Waffle House experience when we
>>>
>>visited Kentucky. John,
>>
>>>Sylvia, Larry and I even made off with a menu
>>>
>>which I have in my
>>
>>>possession. John scarfed up the grits and I did
>>>
>>have to try them. It was
>>
>>>like bland malt-o-meal.
>>>
>>What's malt-o-meal?
>>
>
> I don't know what it is, either.  But all of Waffle
> King's food tastes like it.


        Cream of wheat texture, malted flavor.  I *love* malt-o-meal.
  I like grits, too.  I have a thing for hot cereal.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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        Yes, horses know when they have an inexperienced rider on
their back and will take full advantage.  And some horses,
knowing they have a child on their back, will be extra gentle.

        I rode a green gelding last Wednesday.  He was delightful.


Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
>>> Why do the horses have to walk on the
>>>very edge??
>>>
>>Because they KNOW you're afraid.
>>
>
> Horses really do seem to know that kind of thing and really do seem to
> delight in punishing you.  As a <city girl>, I did not grow up with much
> horse experience, but I did spend lots and lots of time riding horses at
> a stable in junior high years.  I never did understand why we got to
> ride free, but we did if we were with people who owned horses who were
> kept there.  Oh how I wanted to buy Rusty and have him as my very own
> horse.  But we really couldn't afford it.  I remember Daddy saying that
> the cost of Rusty wasn't the problem -- the problem was the cost of the
> upkeep -- the boarding fee, etc.  Anyway, we rode horses quite a bit
> during those years, doing things like jumping (small hurdles), riding
> bareback, etc.  It never occurred to me to be afraid of anything.  And I
> rode various horses, not just Rusty.  Then a good many years passed, and
> I found myself upon a horse on somebody's farm when I was in my late
> twenties.  I felt so way up in the air.  It seemed a bit scary.  The
> horse caught on right away and delighted in racing full-speed-ahead
> toward a tree, trying to knock me off on a branch.  The farm owners
> agreed that the horse was well aware of what he was doing -- that he was
> trying to scare me.  (And it was kind of scary, though I managed to hang
> on and not be scraped off by the tree branch.)
>
> I just remembered that I got the CD in horseback at Camp DeSoto.  That
> was a *big* honor.  A CD was an important thing to get.  At the end of
> the session, one CD was awarded for each activity.  It was for the
> person who showed the most progress.  That wasn't hard for me to do, I
> guess, since I started knowing zilch about horse-show riding.  I managed
> to move up from the beginner's ring to the whatever ring and ended up
> riding in a horse-show.  I don't think I won any prizes in it, but the
> fact that I had progressed that far gave me the horseback CD, which was
> a much coveted one.  I wonder where it is.  I know it's somewhere around
> here.  It was like a letter thing -- as in something to wear on a
> letter-sweater.  CD stood for Camp DeSoto, of course.  I was by there
> just day before yesterday.  Took a picture of the Camp DeSoto sign.
> It's near Mentone, Alabama.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>


--
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        Damn it!  I want to meet Myles.
>>
>
> It seems weird to think that you've never ftf'ed with Myles.  But, now
> that I think about it, Myles's main list time was probably during your
> long leave from the list.  Surely you overlapped for at least a little
> while, though, didn't you?


        Yes, we did overlap for a time before he left the list.  I
found him very inspirational.



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Betty wrote:

> At 08:37 PM 8/18/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>> Betty wrote:
>>
>>> At 08:31 PM 8/18/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>>
>>>> hominy cricket wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > I thought about Brad and his Daddy
>>>>
>>>> I think about them every time I see a Waffle House, which has been
>>>> quite
>>>> often in the past month or so because of my travels.  I've stayed at a
>>>> bunch of Days Inns lately, which often seem to be adjacent to Waffle
>>>> Houses.  (On this last trip I was at a Holiday Inn Express because of a
>>>> coupon I picked up at a rest area, but it was across the street from a
>>>> Days Inn with an adjacent Waffle House.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Myles talked about him, too.  Myles looked great, btw. He is still
>>> selling
>>> puzzles AND pedaling his ass.
>>
>>
>>
>>        Damn it!  I want to meet Myles.
>
>
> Come to Santa Rosa!  We stopped by Lorinda and Kevin's so they finally got
> to meet the guy who gave the name for her thesis.


        I imagine I'll get to California one of these days.  Maybe
NCTE will be out there soon.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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> On the way back, mine was biting the butt of the one
> in front of me.
>
> Betty

Perhaps they learn by example.


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At 10:03 PM 8/18/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
        I imagine I'll get to California one of these days.  Maybe
>NCTE will be out there soon.

What is NCTE?

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On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         Yes, we did overlap for a time before he left the list.  I
> found him very inspirational.

Myles and Rita, don't you remember?  They were the original icky
food-named couple.  Very amusing AND THEY DIDN'T REPEAT THEMSELVES.

Ann

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At 09:57 PM 8/18/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
        Cream of wheat texture, malted flavor.  I *love* malt-o-meal.
>  I like grits, too.  I have a thing for hot cereal.

Terry brought Johnny cakemeal.  Do you put syrup on it?

Betty

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At 08:05 PM 8/18/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > On the way back, mine was biting the butt of the one
> > in front of me.
> >
> > Betty
>
>Perhaps they learn by example.

My horse was behind Terry's on the way up. He liked to get real close!  Way
too close.

Betty

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At 10:08 PM 8/18/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
>>At 10:03 PM 8/18/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>        I imagine I'll get to California one of these days.  Maybe
>>
>>>NCTE will be out there soon.
>>
>>
>>What is NCTE?
>
>
>        National Council of Teachers of English.

They should definitely meet in California.

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>At 10:03 PM 8/18/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>        I imagine I'll get to California one of these days.  Maybe
>NCTE will be out there soon.

(National Council of Teachers of English)

Maybe? Why, it's in San Francisco Nov. 20-25. Time to book!

And the next Four Cs is in San Antonio.

AS

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Betty wrote:

> At 10:03 PM 8/18/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>        I imagine I'll get to California one of these days.  Maybe
>
>> NCTE will be out there soon.
>
>
> What is NCTE?


        National Council of Teachers of English.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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At 10:20 PM 8/18/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:
> >At 10:03 PM 8/18/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >        I imagine I'll get to California one of these days.  Maybe
> >NCTE will be out there soon.
>
>(National Council of Teachers of English)
>
>Maybe? Why, it's in San Francisco Nov. 20-25. Time to book!

There you go!  Myles would come to San Francisco.

Betty

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02003-08-18 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > > Michael Jordan (former Chicago Bull)
> > What the?
> > Parabola?
> > I feel like the "Alice Cooper" scene in Wayne's World.
> > I am truly, terminally unworthy.
> > I SUCK.
>
> I don't understand.  Does anybody understand this?

I guess ABH and Rita does ... and that's good enough for me ...

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On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> > > > Michael Jordan (former Chicago Bull)
> > > What the?
> > > Parabola?
> > > I feel like the "Alice Cooper" scene in Wayne's World.
> > > I am truly, terminally unworthy.
> > > I SUCK.
> >
> > I don't understand.  Does anybody understand this?
>
> I guess ABH and Rita does ... and that's good enough for me ...

Well I saw Wayne's World and I understand in THAT way, but I don't
understand the big picture, the frame, the howzit sposed to be taken and
the why'd he say that.

Ann

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02003-08-18 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
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> > Thank you, Dr Borkin. It is really very pleasant to walk down Western
> > Ave with a "mango lassi", after a slamming "chicken tikka" on Devon.
>
> I'll be your Mango Lassi if you'll be my Cha(i)nna Dal

That's like saying I'll be your lobster bisque if you'll be
my tuna casserole.

Just clarifying

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On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> > I'll be your Mango Lassi if you'll be my Cha(i)nna Dal
>
> That's like saying I'll be your lobster bisque if you'll be
> my tuna casserole.
>
> Just clarifying

OK, I'll be your China Doll and you can be the Mango Lassie.

Ann

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On Monday, August 18, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Uh oh.  Thunder is arumbling.  It may be turn-off-computer time.

Have you looked into a UPS?

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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Tushar Samant:
= I retract my jackass tone.
=
= FOUR HITS for Emmy Noether on the FIRST Google page for "Emmy".
=
= There is a god

Being right and proper (ex-math) geeks, we name our computers
after mathematicians (loosely: phyisics and computer people blend
in).  For a while we had one named Noether.  She didn't last long
as I recall.  Our uucp node was Newton, and actually spanned a
couple of computers.  Yoccoz as well, is going past the life of
the first computer it was on.  We try not to reuse names, but
somehow we're on our second Gauss, back from the beginning of the
list.

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Tushar Samant:
= Thank you, Dr Borkin. It is really very pleasant to walk down Western
= Ave with a "mango lassi", after a slamming "chicken tikka" on Devon.
= Past the 100% Halal Italian Express (don't even think of asking me
= what that means, I don't know) and "Bibya Malik's Hair Salon", to
= the bus stop, past the cemetary and finally home.
=

Well, duh, it means no pork sausage on the pizza.

= I have depicted this route in http://lnk.to/westernave ... pretty
= complex, huh.

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This is from last Tuesday.

Marty Rosen:
= affair.  There remain some silly folks who think privatizing utilities is
= good policy, but I think it's increasingly clear how wrong they are.
=

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steph writes,

>This is from last Tuesday.

Now we just need to ask him if he does stock picks!

I sent this to another list this morning:

There is a short August 16th New York Times op-ed piece by Robert Kuttner
which argues that the root cause of the blackout was deregulation (i.e.,
depending on markets instead of regulated monopoly to define the system):

>An Industry Trapped by a Theory
>by Robert Kuttner
>
>In the search for the source of Thursday's blackout, the underlying cause
>has been all but ignored: deregulation. In principle, deregulation of the
>power industry was supposed to use the discipline of free markets to
>generate just the right amount of electricity at the right price. But
>electric power, it turns out, is not like ordinary commodities.

etc.

<http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0816-02.htm> or
<http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/16/opinion/16KUTT.htm> (free reg. required)

(Thanks to Jock Gill on another list for the pointer to the article.)

Kuttner is the author of "Everything For Sale: The Virtues and Limits of
Markets" (Alfred A. Knopf, 1997).  Here's a 1997 Atlantic Monthly interview
with him about the book:
<http://www.theatlantic.com/unbound/bookauth/kuttner/rkint.htm>.

One of the interview questions distills the book: "Central to your argument
in 'Everything for Sale' is a conviction that a 'mixed economy' -- one in
which the government intervenes to temper the free market -- is necessary
not only for a healthy economy but also for a decent, civil society. Don't
most economists and economics writers take the mixed economy for granted?
Is anyone really advocating true laissez-faire economics? Does your
definition of the mixed economy differ from that of others?"

Pete

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10:55 18.08.2003 -0500 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>On my way to pick up Spencer at Furrbabies about an hour ago, I listened
>to a Norseman talking about cooking.

Lutefisk and lefse?

Espen

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Next week we will spend with Ingjerd's father's roots. We fly to Tromsø Monday, pick up a car and drive on to Gargia near Alta more or less at 70° N. Tuesday we drive on to Mehamn at 71.0° N 27.8° E and spend the night there. Wednesday we drive down South to Karlebotten which at 70.1°N, 28.6° E is about as far East as Istanbul. This is where Ingjerd's father grew up until WWII forced the family South. We will spend two nights here and then on our way back we will take the inland road, across the Finnmark plateau through the traditional Sámi (Lapp) heartlands and stay overnight at Kautokeino (or Guovdageainnu as its original name is in Sámi - the county has a bilingual homepage here: http://www.kautokeino.kommune.no/ ) and then back to Tromsø where we stay a night before we go back to Oslo. There we will have a couple of days for adjustment to temperatures above 10C before we fly to Athens ...

Espen

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Cream of wheat texture, malted flavor.  I *love* malt-o-meal.
>   I like grits, too.  I have a thing for hot cereal.

I've never thought of grits as being anything like cereal.  I guess I
can sort of see a connection.  I've even seen them served in little
bowls at times -- which I don't like since grits need to be on the plate
with the bacon and eggs to slop around with.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > Uh oh.  Thunder is arumbling.  It may be turn-off-computer time.
>
> Have you looked into a UPS?

I had one one time.  I wonder why I don't anymore.  I don't remember
thinking of it as a device to use for continuing computer play during
thunderstorms, though.  I remember it as being something to enable you
to shut the computer down properly if the electricity suddenly went
off.  I don't understand how it would be of use in a thunderstorm.  Does
it keep the computer from being zapped?  What about the modem?

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Espen Ore wrote:
> >On my way to pick up Spencer at Furrbabies about an hour ago, I listened
> >to a Norseman talking about cooking.
>
> Lutefisk and lefse?

No, I don't think so.  I'm trying to remember what he talked about.  I
remember that one thing the woman interviewing him asked him about was
something he said was extremely easy and that men often did it.  I think
it involved marinating salmon for several days.  He said that purists
seasoned it with only [? -- can't remember what now] but that he liked
to add [? -- some other things].  The seasoning comes after the several
days of marinating.  Iirc, this dish had a simple name.

He probably said more while I was greeting Spencer.  I remember that as
I was pulling into Furrbabies, he was saying that southern Norway is on
the same latitude as southern Alaska but isn't quite as cold because of
the gulf stream.  Oh yes -- I remember something else he said earlier --
that he sometimes goes fishing right there in Oslo, where he lives --
something about a fishing pier in the middle of the city.  And he said
that Norway has the longest coast line in the world.  But none of the
above says much about what he said about cooking, alas.  My memory
didn't store those details.

Oh yes -- I just dredged something else up out of a brain crack:  She
was asking him about traditional Scandinavian food compared with today's
food, and he said something about how some people thought that the old,
traditional food was bland and boring but that those were dishes that
weren't popular for very long -- that if you went back farther in
history, you'd find more interesting foods.  Something like that.

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I love the sound of your travel plans -- both the cold and the hot.

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>The last time I ate
>breakfast in a regular restaurant was in Bar Harbor, I think, where I
>don't remember grits being on the menu.  That makes me sad when I'm
>eating breakfast in a regular restaurant.  A full-fledged breakfast
>demands grits.       -- Natalie

A number of years ago you would have been able to get grits with your
breakfast in Bar Harbor at what is now the Internet Cafe.  April, the
owner, is from Louisiana.  She and her husband have owned that place for 20
years, which is very unusual in this town.  They went from a pizza with
rock'n'roll to a fine French and Cajun dinner restaurant with opera
music.  Then six years ago they dropped dinner and served a good breakfast
and lunch.  Then they dropped the lunch.  Then they made breakfast into
baked goods and coffee only.   Then they added the computers.   Only this
year did they add the cappuccino. although they had the machine from back
when they were a dinner restaurant.


bonnie

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>Terry brought Johnny cakemeal.  Do you put syrup on it?
>Betty

I put syrup on mine.  You can just use butter.  Why did Terry come out to
California?  Just to visit with you guys?   Or was there some work-related
thing?


bonnie

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I don't understand.  I found this page for the fall '03 CBS schedule and
found Survivor listed on Thursday nights:

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/fall_preview_2003/

But when you click on the Survivor box, you get info on the last
survivor -- on Jenna et al.  This is 2003, isn't it, or have I lost a
year and leaped into '04 without realizing it?

Isn't the next one supposed to be the one for <special> people from past
ones -- for the people who won or were close to winning?

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        Cream of wheat texture, malted flavor.  I *love* malt-o-meal.
>>  I like grits, too.  I have a thing for hot cereal.
>>
>
> I've never thought of grits as being anything like cereal.  I guess I
> can sort of see a connection.  I've even seen them served in little
> bowls at times -- which I don't like since grits need to be on the plate
> with the bacon and eggs to slop around with.


        Of course it is a kind of hot cereal.  You can even get it in
little Quaker Instant packets.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
[about using a UPS]
> I don't understand how it would be of use in a thunderstorm. Does
> it keep the computer from being zapped?  What about the modem?

It prevents whatever's plugged into it from being zapped.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-08-18 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
>
>>On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Michael Jordan (former Chicago Bull)
>>>>
>>>What the?
>>>Parabola?
>>>I feel like the "Alice Cooper" scene in Wayne's World.
>>>I am truly, terminally unworthy.
>>>I SUCK.
>>>
>>I don't understand.  Does anybody understand this?
>>
>
> I guess ABH and Rita does ... and that's good enough for me ...
>
        There, there.  Of course we understand you, baby.


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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>On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>[about using a UPS]
> > I don't understand how it would be of use in a thunderstorm. Does
> > it keep the computer from being zapped?  What about the modem?
>
>It prevents whatever's plugged into it from being zapped.
>Karen

It saved our computer once when lightning bounced from a tree to the phone
box on the outside of our Tennessee house.  Blew the box right off the
house, scorched the siding, blew out one outlet, scorched the filing
cabinet where the phone was sitting, and scrambled beyond repair the stereo
receiver.  But the computer was saved.  We did have to replace the
UPS.  But that was free.  House insurance covered much of the rest
including repainting the siding.  That all happened three days before we
put the house on the market.  I've told the story before.


bonnie

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On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, bonniev wrote:
>>On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>[about using a UPS]
>> > I don't understand how it would be of use in a thunderstorm. Does
>> > it keep the computer from being zapped?  What about the modem?
>>
>>It prevents whatever's plugged into it from being zapped.
>>Karen

> It saved our computer once when lightning bounced from a tree to the phone
> box on the outside of our Tennessee house.  Blew the box right off the
> house, scorched the siding, blew out one outlet, scorched the filing
> cabinet where the phone was sitting, and scrambled beyond repair the stereo
> receiver.  But the computer was saved.  We did have to replace the
> UPS.  But that was free.  House insurance covered much of the rest
> including repainting the siding.  That all happened three days before we
> put the house on the market.  I've told the story before.

Yep. I have several UPSes. Two for computer stuff, one for stereo, one
for TV.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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Betty wrote:

> At 09:57 PM 8/18/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>        Cream of wheat texture, malted flavor.  I *love* malt-o-meal.
>
>>  I like grits, too.  I have a thing for hot cereal.
>
>
> Terry brought Johnny cakemeal.  Do you put syrup on it?


        Sometimes.  Real maple syrup tastes good on just about
everything.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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After turning off my computer at home to come to the office, I
remembered something else the Norwegian cook talked about:  what
"Scandinavian" means.  I think he has recently published a
cookbook with Scandinavian in the title.  He said that he
considers Scandinavia to be Norway, Sweden, Denmark -- that
most Scandinavians don't include Finland as part of Scandinavia
because of "the different language."  (I couldn't help thinking
at that point about all those Swedish-speaking Finns, the
bilingual signs, etc.)  Anyway, he said that Norwegians, Swedes,
and Danes are very much alike and that, like their languages,
their foods are similar -- that they're very comfortable with
each other's foods.

Can't believe I forgot this part at first since I found it
especially interesting because of the role of language in his
attitudes.
   --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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Natalie,

Survivor 7 in Panama's Pearl Islands, is to begin on Thursday, September 18. I'm surprised that it's not prominent on the CBS page.

Marie

----- Original Message -----
From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:59 am
Subject: Survivor

> I don't understand.  I found this page for the fall '03 CBS
> schedule and
> found Survivor listed on Thursday nights:
>
> http://www.cbs.com/primetime/fall_preview_2003/
>
> But when you click on the Survivor box, you get info on the last
> survivor -- on Jenna et al.  This is 2003, isn't it, or have I
> lost a
> year and leaped into '04 without realizing it?
>
> Isn't the next one supposed to be the one for <special> people
> from past
> ones -- for the people who won or were close to winning?
>
> --
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>

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> -- that
> most Scandinavians don't include Finland as part of
> Scandinavia
> because of "the different language."  (I couldn't
> help thinking
> at that point about all those Swedish-speaking
> Finns, the
> bilingual signs, etc.)
> Can't believe I forgot this part at first since I
> found it
> especially interesting because of the role of
> language in his
> attitudes.


In a discussion I heard recently regarding Finland, it
was stated that Swedish ran a close second to Finnish
in numbers of speakers.  I would have thought Russian
would be the second language because of Finnish
history, but not according to this commentator.

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>I've been thinking that I need a laptop.  This sounded good to me:

I like Fujitsu boxes, but yep, looks good.

Though when I follow the link it costs $853 after rebate and coupon.  If I
shop for the same box straight from Dell, it comes out to $887 because of a
$100 discount courtesy of the Small Business division, and I get the option
of buying a 94Whr battery vs. 65Whr for an additional $29, which I'd
take.  (Watt-hours represent power capacity, and will convert roughly
linearly into run time.)

An extra hundred bucks for 512Mb RAM instead of 256Mb is probably worth it,
too.

Pete

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Lynne Weber writes,

>because of Finnish history

Uh...

We've absorbed different senses of Finnish-Russian history.

Anyway, here are some on-the-ground summaries:
<http://www.languagehat.com/archives/000556.php>

Stats:
<http://www.ethnologue.com/show_country.asp?name=Finland>

Prose background:
<http://www.lysator.liu.se/nordic/scn/faq423.html>

Pete

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On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, PALEOFOOD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU wrote:
> Please see the attached file for details.

Tushar, pleas stop this!

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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> Tushar, pleas stop this!
>
> Karen
> "Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

TS must be quite busy.  I received 6 messages, all of
the same type, all at the same time.


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>Tushar, pleas stop this!

Well, maybe they do.

AS

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You DO know that this is the behavior of a new variant of the W32/Sobig
virus, don't you?

Rita L.

Lynne Weber wrote:

>>Tushar, pleas stop this!
>>
>>Karen
>>"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB
>>
>>
>
>TS must be quite busy.  I received 6 messages, all of
>the same type, all at the same time.
>
>
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[summary:  Matchmaker arranges a marriage; the bride and groom meet for
the first time at the altar.]

I guess this has a plus ca change kind of sense to it . . .

http://www.sadlyno.com/article.php?story=20030816133759208

Ann

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>You DO know that this is the behavior of a new variant of the W32/Sobig
>virus, don't you?

Yep. One of the assorted joys of staying no mail on my lists and reading
through the archives.

AS

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Has anyone read "Science and Hypothesis" by Henri Poincare?  Did you
love it, hate it?

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, Rita Leonard wrote:
> You DO know that this is the behavior of a new variant of the W32/Sobig
> virus, don't you?

No, I didn't specifically know it was that virus. But it does seem
like virus-like behavior. As does Tushar's, frequently.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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I wish we had T.J. in Syracuse.  
 
BrP


>>> bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU 08/19/03 11:16AM >>>
At 08:05 AM 8/19/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
>>At 09:57 PM 8/18/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>        Cream of wheat texture, malted flavor.  I *love* malt-o-meal.
>>
>>>  I like grits, too.  I have a thing for hot cereal.
>>
>>
>>Terry brought Johnny cakemeal.  Do you put syrup on it?
>
>
>        Sometimes.  Real maple syrup tastes good on just about
>everything.

Speaking of which, we took Terry to a Trader Joe's.  They had real maple
syrup.  I think she only bought turkey jerky.  (And flowers.)

Betty

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At 08:05 AM 8/19/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
>>At 09:57 PM 8/18/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>        Cream of wheat texture, malted flavor.  I *love* malt-o-meal.
>>
>>>  I like grits, too.  I have a thing for hot cereal.
>>
>>
>>Terry brought Johnny cakemeal.  Do you put syrup on it?
>
>
>        Sometimes.  Real maple syrup tastes good on just about
>everything.

Speaking of which, we took Terry to a Trader Joe's.  They had real maple
syrup.  I think she only bought turkey jerky.  (And flowers.)

Betty

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At 07:48 AM 8/19/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>>Terry brought Johnny cakemeal.  Do you put syrup on it?
>>Betty
>
>I put syrup on mine.  You can just use butter.  Why did Terry come out to
>California?  Just to visit with you guys?   Or was there some work-related
>thing?

Because she'd never been here before.

Betty

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On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> I wish we had T.J. in Syracuse.

I wish we had one in Austin!

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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>On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> I wish we had T.J. in Syracuse.

>I wish we had one in Austin!

There is one quite near the Prime Meeber Mansion in Mesa. I even got a TJ
canvas shopping bag on my last trip. I am ready to shop!

Here's a locator:

http://www.traderjoes.com/locations/index.asp

Amy

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02003-08-19 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >
>        There, there.  Of course we understand you, baby.

Rita, kiss MyAss[tm], okay?

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Espen, this sounds wonderful.  You and Ingjerd get to go to many exciting
places.  You need to keep posting photos of those grandchildren though so
we can watch them grow!

Betty

At 11:44 AM 8/19/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>Next week we will spend with Ingjerd's father's roots. We fly to Tromsø
>Monday, pick up a car and drive on to Gargia near Alta more or less at 70°
>N. Tuesday we drive on to Mehamn at 71.0° N 27.8° E and spend the night
>there. Wednesday we drive down South to Karlebotten which at 70.1°N, 28.6°
>E is about as far East as Istanbul. This is where Ingjerd's father grew up
>until WWII forced the family South. We will spend two nights here and then
>on our way back we will take the inland road, across the Finnmark plateau
>through the traditional Sámi (Lapp) heartlands and stay overnight at
>Kautokeino (or Guovdageainnu as its original name is in Sámi - the county
>has a bilingual homepage here: http://www.kautokeino.kommune.no/ ) and
>then back to Tromsø where we stay a night before we go back to Oslo. There
>we will have a couple of days for adjustment to temperatures above 10C
>before we fly to Athens ...
>
>Espen

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02003-08-18 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > > > > Michael Jordan (former Chicago Bull)
> > > > What the?
> > > > Parabola?
> > > > I feel like the "Alice Cooper" scene in Wayne's World.
> > > > I am truly, terminally unworthy.
> > > > I SUCK.
> > >
> > > I don't understand.  Does anybody understand this?
> >
> > I guess ABH and Rita does ... and that's good enough for me ...
>
> Well I saw Wayne's World and I understand in THAT way, but I don't
> understand the big picture, the frame, the howzit sposed to be taken and
> the why'd he say that.

That's perhaps because you are thinking it's more subtle than it
is. Come on, all Wayne and Garth are "appreciating" is that a GOD
among men is even GODLIER than they thought!

And just when you thought *Michael Jordan* could not be more exalted,
he begins talking science and shit ... That's all.

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02003-08-19 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant:
> = Thank you, Dr Borkin. It is really very pleasant to walk down Western
> = Ave with a "mango lassi", after a slamming "chicken tikka" on Devon.
> = Past the 100% Halal Italian Express (don't even think of asking me
> = what that means, I don't know) and "Bibya Malik's Hair Salon", to
> = the bus stop, past the cemetary and finally home.
> =
>
> Well, duh, it means no pork sausage on the pizza.

Thanks!

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@pobox.com>
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Subject: Re: German reality radio
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02003-08-19 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> [summary:  Matchmaker arranges a marriage; the bride and groom meet for
> the first time at the altar.]
>
> I guess this has a plus ca change kind of sense to it . . .
>
> http://www.sadlyno.com/article.php?story=20030816133759208

They will be married for 27 years minimum.

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From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@isc.upenn.edu>
To: "'English Language Discussion Group'" <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
Subject: FW: **Virus Alert -- W32.Sobig.F@mm** for Karen
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:38:42 -0400
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>
>Many bad email from this virus.
>
>Alec
>
>
>>Hi folks --
>>
>>This is an alert regarding W32.Sobig.F, a mass-mailing worm that began
>>spreading this morning.  This worm affects machines running
>Windows 95,
>>98, ME, NT, 2000, and XP.  The worm attempts to spread via
>>email (with an
>>attachment ending in either .zip).  If executed, the worm
>>sends itself to
>>all the email addresses it finds in files with the following
>extensions
>>.wab, .dbx, .htm, .html, .eml, and .txt.
>>
>>Symantec definitions dated August 19th, 2003 or later will detect
>>W32.Sobig.F.  There have been many reports of on-campus infections of
>>W32.Sobig.F.  Please update the virus definitions of your machines as
>>soon as possible.
>>
>>If you notice any infected messages coming from on-campus IP addresses
>>(check the full headers as the worm spoofs the "From" and
>"Return-Path"
>>fields), please send a message to virus@isc.upenn.edu
>>including the full
>>headers.
>>
>>Characteristics
>>---------------
>>
>>The virus arrives in an email with spoofed "From:" headers and
>>one of the
>>following the subjects:
>>
>>Re: Thank you!
>>Re: Details
>>Re: Re: My details
>>Re: Approved
>>Re: Your application
>>Re: Wicked screensaver
>>Re: That movie
>>
>>and one of the following in the message body:
>>
>>"Please see the attached zip file for details."
>>"See the attached file for details"
>>
>>The email will contain one of the following attachments:
>>
>>yapplication.zip (contains application.pif)
>>details.zip (contains details.pif)
>>document_9446.zip (contains document_9446.pif)
>>document_all.zip (contains document_all.pif)
>>movie0045.zip (contains movie0045.pif)
>>thank_you.zip (contains thank_you.pif)
>>your_details.zip (contains your_details.pif)
>>your_document.zip (contains your_document.pif)
>>wicked_scr.zip (contains wicked_scr.scr)
>>
>

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 Subject:         Re: Your application
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FILE ATTACHMENT 'document_9446.pif'
      << Detected worm:W32/Sobig.f@MM (aka I-Worm.Sobig.f, W32/Sobig-F) >>
      File size:    75776 bytes
      Host type:    MSDOS
      Content type:              Exe.Win32
      Compression:  OFF
      Attributes:   PUBLIC READ-WRITE
      File flags:   2
      Created:      08/19/2003 11:48:57 AM
      Modified:     08/19/2003 11:48:57 AM
      Status:       Purged
      Scanner:      NAI 4.2.0.60 [4.2.0.87] W32/Sobig.f@MM
      Scanner:      Kaspersky 4.0.1.19 [0.1.26.80] I-Worm.Sobig.f
      Scanner:      Sophos 2.14.0 [3.71.0] W32/Sobig-F
      Scanner:      SybariEngine 6.0.633 [119.100.37797] Matched WormPurge filter: *@mm

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I am fascinated by this phenomenon.  It's very 60s.
 
BrP
 

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02003-08-19 | Paul Barfoot <Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU> writes:
> I am fascinated by this phenomenon.  It's very 60s.

Here's some 00s for you:

http://flashmugging.com/

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Stop it. You're scaring me.
 
BrP
 
 


>>> scribble@POBOX.COM 08/19/03 02:25PM >>>
02003-08-19 | Paul Barfoot <Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU> writes:
> I am fascinated by this phenomenon.  It's very 60s.

Here's some 00s for you:

http://flashmugging.com/ 

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On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> That's perhaps because you are thinking it's more subtle than it
> is. Come on, all Wayne and Garth are "appreciating" is that a GOD
> among men is even GODLIER than they thought!
>
> And just when you thought *Michael Jordan* could not be more exalted,
> he begins talking science and shit ... That's all.

Oh!  Rita, I suppose you got that . . .

Ann

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..but I'm setting nomail until the worm is gone.  It's just too much to sift through
 
 
BrP
 
 

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02003-08-19 | Paul Barfoot <Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU> writes:
> ..but I'm setting nomail until the worm is gone.  It's just too much to sift through

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>.but I'm setting nomail until the worm is gone.  It's just too much to sift
through
>
>BrP

me too.

Bethany

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Alec D. Plotkin:
= lots of junk mail

That's because you're so big!

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
>
>>That's perhaps because you are thinking it's more subtle than it
>>is. Come on, all Wayne and Garth are "appreciating" is that a GOD
>>among men is even GODLIER than they thought!
>>
>>And just when you thought *Michael Jordan* could not be more exalted,
>>he begins talking science and shit ... That's all.
>>
>
> Oh!  Rita, I suppose you got that . . .
>


        I've seen Wayne's World 4 or 5 times.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Oh my.  This is the best yet!  And I don't even know what
Eosinophilia Myalgia could possibly be.



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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of steph
>Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 4:26 PM
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>
>
>Alec D. Plotkin:
>= lots of junk mail
>
>That's because you're so big!
>

Cute!

alec

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lots of junk mail

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In all seriousness, this is the sort of thing that should be sent to The Sun
Magazine.


>From: Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM>
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>Subject: Re: August 18, 2003
>Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:51:57 -0500
>
> > My younger sister, Barbara Ann, would be 64 today if she had not
>succumbed
> > to polio in 1950. She was 11 when she died that summer. I cannot
>imagine
> > what she would have been like as an adult.
> >
> > She died in an iron lung. My mother says that the last thing Barbara
>Ann
> > said to her in the hospital, after being placed in the iron lung, was
>"I'm
> > sorry to cause so much trouble." I find that very difficult to
>believe.
> >
> > Barbara Ann, wherever you are, smile on us all, I pray.
> >
> > Bethany
>
>That must have been terribly sad for you.
>I remember those scary years so well.
>
>I think you can believe that your sister said
>those words.  Sounds like a typical statement
>from a young girl in that situation.
>
>           - D. M.

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Betty Clark wrote:

> At 08:05 AM 8/19/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> Betty wrote:
>>
>>> At 09:57 PM 8/18/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>>        Cream of wheat texture, malted flavor.  I *love* malt-o-meal.
>>>
>>>>  I like grits, too.  I have a thing for hot cereal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Terry brought Johnny cakemeal.  Do you put syrup on it?
>>
>>
>>
>>        Sometimes.  Real maple syrup tastes good on just about
>> everything.
>
>
> Speaking of which, we took Terry to a Trader Joe's.  They had real maple
> syrup.  I think she only bought turkey jerky.  (And flowers.)


        It would be strange if Terry bought maple syrup in California.




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Amy Burns Short wrote:

>>At 10:03 PM 8/18/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>       I imagine I'll get to California one of these days.  Maybe
>>NCTE will be out there soon.
>>
>
> (National Council of Teachers of English)
>
> Maybe? Why, it's in San Francisco Nov. 20-25. Time to book!
>
> And the next Four Cs is in San Antonio.


        Not this year.  I've got a Master's degree to finish and I've
just been assigned *committee work* -- the new principal is
way too hyper.

        I spent the day working in my room.  I hope these 95 degree
temps end before school starts, because it was a California
Pizza Oven in there without an additional 28 adolescent
bodies. Yuck.




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--- "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> wrote:
> lots of junk mail

I got about 60 bogus messages.  I deleted all of them
with their attachments.  The only peculiarity I've
noticed is, that after about an hour, my Player
session and document sessions cease, and a screen from
MSN appears that says "No more help available".



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--- Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
> 02003-08-19 | Paul Barfoot <Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU>
> writes:
> > ..but I'm setting nomail until the worm is gone.
> It's just too much to sift through
>
> See the attached file for details

Yuk, yuk.


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Was it one machine?  Is it really Tushar's fault?

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02003-08-19 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> Was it one machine?  Is it really Tushar's fault?

Not sure, but its virus-like behaviour is very similar to my
behavior. If I were less of an ass I'd make it stop.

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Betty Clark
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>Was it one machine?  Is it really Tushar's fault?
>

Somebody who wants low carbs and took L-tryptophan, or maybe two people. I
doubt anyone would admit it. I have my guesses.


alec

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At 04:44 PM 8/19/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-08-19 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > Was it one machine?  Is it really Tushar's fault?
>
>Not sure, but its virus-like behaviour is very similar to my
>behavior. If I were less of an ass I'd make it stop.

Make it go faster!

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02003-08-19 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 04:44 PM 8/19/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-08-19 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >> Was it one machine?  Is it really Tushar's fault?
> >
> >Not sure, but its virus-like behaviour is very similar to my
> >behavior. If I were less of an ass I'd make it stop.
>
> Make it go faster!

Masterly double entendre, "Clark"!

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At 05:44 PM 8/19/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>Somebody who wants low carbs and took L-tryptophan, or maybe two people. I
>doubt anyone would admit it. I have my guesses.

Bethany?

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> Survivor 7 in Panama's Pearl Islands, is to begin on Thursday, September 18. I'm surprised that it's not prominent on the CBS page.

THANK YOU!!  I do find it odd that it's so hard to find.  I thought that
a quick googling would pop it up instantly, but it didn't.  I will have
no problem remembering the starting date since September 18 is the
birthday of Samuel Johnson and Clayton Maynor.

Did you report on life in darkness while I was on nomail?

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Of course it is a kind of hot cereal.  You can even get it in
> little Quaker Instant packets.

I thought about this grits thread at lunch today when one of my lunch
friends had a salad and a *bowl* of grits for his lunch.  The reason I
don't think of grits as related to cereal is that I think of cereal,
whether hot or cold, as something you put milk on, not something you put
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Karen Kay wrote:
> > I don't understand how it would be of use in a thunderstorm. Does
> > it keep the computer from being zapped?  What about the modem?
>
> It prevents whatever's plugged into it from being zapped.

Yes, that's what my question meant.  That does sound interesting.
Perhaps I should explore acquiring one.  I wonder whatever happened to
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02003-08-19 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 05:44 PM 8/19/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> >Somebody who wants low carbs and took L-tryptophan, or maybe two people. I
> >doubt anyone would admit it. I have my guesses.
>
> Bethany?

Are you serious, or do you know how these worms work?

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> In a discussion I heard recently regarding Finland, it
> was stated that Swedish ran a close second to Finnish
> in numbers of speakers.  I would have thought Russian
> would be the second language because of Finnish
> history, but not according to this commentator.

Espen can give us a better picture of the situation, but I do know that
there are whole towns in Finland that are predominantly Swedish -- as in
Swedish is the native language of the majority of residents.  And pretty
much everything in Finland (as in street signs and such) is written in
both Finnish and Swedish.

Again, Espen knows much more than I do, but my <book knowledge> is that
Finnish was an indigenous spoken language, not a written language and
not a <standard> language (I could give a long lecture on what that
means, but I'm semi-retired and thus eschewing such), until something
like the nineteenth century, when the Finns turned Finnish into a
<standard language> -- writing etc. -- to try to ward off being usurped
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        Of course it is a kind of hot cereal.  You can even get it in
>>little Quaker Instant packets.
>>
>
> I thought about this grits thread at lunch today when one of my lunch
> friends had a salad and a *bowl* of grits for his lunch.  The reason I
> don't think of grits as related to cereal is that I think of cereal,
> whether hot or cold, as something you put milk on, not something you put
> butter on.


        Oh, I never put milk on hot cereal.  Yuck.




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> On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, PALEOFOOD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU wrote:
> > Please see the attached file for details.
>
> Tushar, pleas stop this!
>
> Karen
> "Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

Pleas to Tushar aside, after getting a lot of errors from that site, this
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> whether hot or cold, as something you put milk on,
> not something you put
> butter on.
>
But it's derived from grain, just as cereals are; or
is it?  Isn't corn a grain?


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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> >I've been thinking that I need a laptop.  This sounded good to me:
>
> I like Fujitsu boxes, but yep, looks good.

I've been too busy today to pursue it, and that particular deal ends
tomorrow.  So I'm not likely to act on it.

> Though when I follow the link it costs $853 after rebate and coupon.  If I

Strange.  It appeared to be under $700 from what I read.

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From: Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@yahoo.com>
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> Again, Espen knows much more than I do, but my <book
> knowledge> is that
> Finnish was an indigenous spoken language, not a
> written language and
> not a <standard> language (I could give a long
> lecture on what that
> means, but I'm semi-retired and thus eschewing
> such), until something
> like the nineteenth century, when the Finns turned
> Finnish into a
> <standard language> -- writing etc. -- to try to
> ward off being usurped
> by the Russians and Swedes.



What about the Tarascan language that Bethany spoke
about?  Did it become standard?

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> TS must be quite busy.  I received 6 messages, all of
> the same type, all at the same time.

My introduction to the thank-you thing was early this morning when I got
a message with subject header "Re: Thank you" that said that my message
had been forwarded to the list administrator for -- I can't remember now
what list -- something I had never heard of.  It was something at a .gov
domain.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> Thank you.
>
> cwv

Lynne and Clyde, and all other meebers, you're welcome. I do wish there was
some way I could stop our address being used as spam fodder, but I have yet
to find it.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         I spent the day working in my room.  I hope these 95 degree
> temps end before school starts, because it was a California
> Pizza Oven in there without an additional 28 adolescent
> bodies. Yuck.

I'm kind of hoping that the super-hot weather continues for another ten
or so days since it may make our wimpy football team look less bad in
the first game, which is here and against a Yankee opponent.  I think
our team would have a definite advantage in the current muggy heat, even
though it's a night game.  Too bad it's not a 1:00 p.m. game.  I have a
feeling that the Ducks would wilt rapidly in Mississippi heat at 1 p.m.
in late August.  The Oregon Ducks.

It's appropriate that I'm talking about sports again under the same Brad
header, but I sure wish Brad would check in.  I may even call him on my
regular phone from my regular house if he doesn't check in soon.

And speaking of phones, did I mention that I looked at a phone book at a
pay phone in Henagar, Alabama, Saturday and chose a random Stoner and
called him?  That was pretty gutsy of me, given my telephone phobia.  He
was super nice.  I later figured out that he's my third cousin -- which
is quite close really.  He's the g-grandson of James K. Polk Stoner, and
I'm the g-granddaughter of John Calvin Stoner.  JKPS and JCS were both
sons of Randolph.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> Pleas to Tushar aside, after getting a lot of errors
> from that site, this
> evening I put maelstrom.stjohns.edu on the blocked
> domains list for Words-L.

You are more than sweet; you are efficient.  Thanks.

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At 08:28 PM 8/19/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:

>Pleas to Tushar aside, after getting a lot of errors from that site, this
>evening I put maelstrom.stjohns.edu on the blocked domains list for Words-L.

Thank you.

cwv

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Oh, I never put milk on hot cereal.  Yuck.

You don't put milk on oatmeal?  Do you put something else on it, or do
you just eat it straight?

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> But it's derived from grain, just as cereals are; or
> is it?  Isn't corn a grain?

I do see its connectivity to cereal now that we've been talking about
it.  It's just not something I think of as cereal-related in my own
life.  Like it would never occur to me to eat grits as a total breakfast
the way I do with cereals, hot or cold.  Grits to me means with at least
eggs and toast or biscuits and probably with bacon also.  And they all
slop around together on the plate.

Have I mentioned that I've gotten on a bagel-and-cream-cheese kick
lately?  I hate bagels if they're the real kind -- as in those
teeth-cracking hard things that bagel-lovers love.  But in a couple of
motels I've stayed in recently I've eaten softer bagels w/ cream cheese
as part of my breakfast and have grown fond of that routine.

And suddenly threads are merging.  In thinking about those recent motel
breakfasts, I'm reminded that I meant to say something earlier about how
I've noticed that more and more motels include breakfast these days.
Have y'all noticed that?  The merging threads are that apparently in
Finland that is a given.  No mention of it is made, as in it's not
something that a hotel needs to announce since it is standard -- and
very good breakfasts, not like the Super8 in Butler, PA.

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> What about the Tarascan language that Bethany spoke
> about?  Did it become standard?

I don't know.  And I don't remember Bethany's speaking of the Trascan
language.  Was that in this thread?  I missed it somehow.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        Oh, I never put milk on hot cereal.  Yuck.
>>
>
> You don't put milk on oatmeal?  Do you put something else on it, or do
> you just eat it straight?


        I might sweeten it sometimes, but usually straight.  For
Cream of Wheat, grits, Farina, etc., I like a little butter
and sugar.




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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        I spent the day working in my room.  I hope these 95 degree
>>temps end before school starts, because it was a California
>>Pizza Oven in there without an additional 28 adolescent
>>bodies. Yuck.
>>
>
> I'm kind of hoping that the super-hot weather continues for another ten
> or so days since it may make our wimpy football team look less bad in
> the first game, which is here and against a Yankee opponent.  I think
> our team would have a definite advantage in the current muggy heat, even
> though it's a night game.  Too bad it's not a 1:00 p.m. game.  I have a
> feeling that the Ducks would wilt rapidly in Mississippi heat at 1 p.m.
> in late August.  The Oregon Ducks.


        I'm sure half of them would approach heat stroke, even at
night.  Last year the room would cool off a little during my
plan hour without all those bodies, but this year I have
another teacher using my room, so it will never be empty.  I
may approach heat stroke by 6th hour.


        Have you seen the new thing MIT is doing?  They're making
course materials -- lectures/handouts/tests/etc. available
online for free. It isn't an online course -- you just get
to use all the materials. It's at http://ocw.mit.edu.




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>        I'm sure half of them would approach heat stroke, even at
>night.  Last year the room would cool off a little during my
>plan hour without all those bodies, but this year I have
>another teacher using my room, so it will never be empty.  I
>may approach heat stroke by 6th hour.
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

How has your blood pressure been lately??


bonnie

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bonniev wrote:

>>        I'm sure half of them would approach heat stroke, even at
>> night.  Last year the room would cool off a little during my
>> plan hour without all those bodies, but this year I have
>> another teacher using my room, so it will never be empty.  I
>> may approach heat stroke by 6th hour.
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
>
> How has your blood pressure been lately??


        Oh, I don't know.  I haven't checked.



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At 05:13 PM 8/19/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-08-19 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > At 04:44 PM 8/19/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >02003-08-19 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > >> Was it one machine?  Is it really Tushar's fault?
> > >
> > >Not sure, but its virus-like behaviour is very similar to my
> > >behavior. If I were less of an ass I'd make it stop.
> >
> > Make it go faster!
>
>Masterly double entendre, "Clark"!

Faster!  Faster!

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Interesting.  Listserv should've stopped the near repeat.  I noticed my
typo as the Netscape box was grinding away to send the reply with the
typo (Trascan), so I hit cancel and sent it again with the typo
corrected.  I see that both versions were posted.  I do find it odd that
Listserv sometimes gets all huffy about things sent that it thinks have
already been sent but in this case just let both versions waltz on
through.

Speaking of Netscape Mail, do any of you who use it know exactly where
on a computer its mail files are kept?  The recent worries about my
computer's health (though it still seems quite healthy with the router
out of the picture) made me start thinking that I should save some
things on disks in case of a crash -- like genealogy-related e-mail that
has come to this address and thus is stored on my own computer -- which
makes me again think about the advantages of sticking to Unix Mailx and
saving mail on the server instead of on my own pc -- and yes, of course
I can still do that -- can forward everything to Ra or other servers --
but it's simpler to save when you're on that server.  Anyway, where
might I find the files for Netscape mail saved in various <folders> on
my pc so that I can copy to floppy or cd?  I could explore and probably
find the answer, of course, but IMFTAOTL.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         I'm sure half of them would approach heat stroke, even at
> night.  Last year the room would cool off a little during my
> plan hour without all those bodies, but this year I have
> another teacher using my room, so it will never be empty.  I
> may approach heat stroke by 6th hour.

So your school doesn't have a/c?  I of course grew up in un-a/c'ed
schools.  Even houses didn't have a/c in my childhood.  But I am <old>.
I didn't realize that un-a/c'ed schools still existed.

>         Have you seen the new thing MIT is doing?  They're making
> course materials -- lectures/handouts/tests/etc. available
> online for free. It isn't an online course -- you just get
> to use all the materials. It's at http://ocw.mit.edu.

I had read about that a while back but hadn't looked at the stuff.  I'm
moving myself more and more toward total retirement.

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At 09:40 PM 8/19/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>I had read about that a while back but hadn't looked at the stuff.  I'm
>moving myself more and more toward total retirement.

YaY!

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> What about the Tarascan language that Bethany spoke
> about?  Did it become standard?

I don't know.  And I don't remember Bethany's speaking of the Tarascan
language.  Was that in this thread?  I missed it somehow.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> Lynne and Clyde, and all other meebers, you're welcome. I do wish there was
> some way I could stop our address being used as spam fodder, but I have yet
> to find it.

The spam on Words-L is miniscule.  Even today's thank-you stuff is a
tiny, tiny, teenincy drop compared to what I get every day in my direct
mail.  But that may change, just as the spam level has been gradually
creeping up on my natalie@maynor.net address, where I used to get very
little spam compared to my @ra address.  I'm hating spammers more and
more every day and am wondering who responds to them -- like why do they
find it profitable to send spam.  And I'm hoping more and more that
there will be a no-spam act soon that might help to at least some
extent.

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In a message dated 8/19/2003 6:28:31 PM, adamh1@COMCAST.NET writes:

>Pleas to Tushar aside, after getting a lot of errors from that site, this
>evening I put maelstrom.stjohns.edu on the blocked domains list for Words-L.
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>--Adam
>adamh1@comcast.net
>
Ad my thanks to the others, Adam. It's been very annoying.
Theo

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>I'm hating spammers more and more every day and am wondering who responds
>to them -- like why do they find it profitable to send spam.

I had figured that spammers weren't making any money, and it was just the
people selling spam tools who were making money.

Then I read this story
<http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,59907,00.html> about a young man
making big bucks selling herbal penis enlargement pills, marketed by
affiliates via spam.

Some people are more gullible than you'd think.

POPFile works well for me, BTW.

Pete

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06:24 19.08.2003 -0500 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>Espen Ore wrote:
>> >On my way to pick up Spencer at Furrbabies about an hour ago, I listened
>> >to a Norseman talking about cooking.
>>
>> Lutefisk and lefse?
>
>No, I don't think so.  I'm trying to remember what he talked about.  I
>remember that one thing the woman interviewing him asked him about was
>something he said was extremely easy and that men often did it.  I think
>it involved marinating salmon for several days.  He said that purists
>seasoned it with only [? -- can't remember what now] but that he liked
>to add [? -- some other things].  The seasoning comes after the several
>days of marinating.  Iirc, this dish had a simple name.

Gravlaks? (Or in its Swedish original: Gravlax). This should be marinated with salt, pepper and dill and placed under light pressure in a refrigerator or a cold cellar. It should be turned over twice daily. (Place the two filets with the meat side against each other and the skin on the outside.) The non-purist part would be to add some brandy. It is served with a mustard sauce.



>He probably said more while I was greeting Spencer.  I remember that as
>I was pulling into Furrbabies, he was saying that southern Norway is on
>the same latitude as southern Alaska but isn't quite as cold because of
>the gulf stream.  Oh yes -- I remember something else he said earlier --
>that he sometimes goes fishing right there in Oslo, where he lives --
>something about a fishing pier in the middle of the city.  And he said
>that Norway has the longest coast line in the world.  But none of the
>above says much about what he said about cooking, alas.  My memory
>didn't store those details.

I would probably not eat fish caught in the ahrbour but there are fishing boats comin in in the morning with fresh fish (and delicious shrimps).


>Oh yes -- I just dredged something else up out of a brain crack:  She
>was asking him about traditional Scandinavian food compared with today's
>food, and he said something about how some people thought that the old,
>traditional food was bland and boring but that those were dishes that
>weren't popular for very long -- that if you went back farther in
>history, you'd find more interesting foods.  Something like that.

I believe in that.

Espen

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Espen Ore wrote:

> Gravlaks? (Or in its Swedish original: Gravlax). This should be marinated with salt, pepper and dill and placed under light pressure in a refrigerator or a cold cellar. It should be turned over twice daily. (Place the two filets with the meat side against each other and the skin on the outside.) The non-purist part would be to add some brandy. It is served with a mustard sauce.

Gravlaks may indeed be the name.  And I do think I remember brandy as
one of the things he mentioned that he added.

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08:19 19.08.2003 -0500 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>After turning off my computer at home to come to the office, I
>remembered something else the Norwegian cook talked about:  what
>"Scandinavian" means.  I think he has recently published a
>cookbook with Scandinavian in the title.  He said that he
>considers Scandinavia to be Norway, Sweden, Denmark -- that
>most Scandinavians don't include Finland as part of Scandinavia
>because of "the different language."  (I couldn't help thinking
>at that point about all those Swedish-speaking Finns, the
>bilingual signs, etc.)  Anyway, he said that Norwegians, Swedes,
>and Danes are very much alike and that, like their languages,
>their foods are similar -- that they're very comfortable with
>each other's foods.

Many Finns consider themselves Scandinavian but I at least think of Finland (and Iceland) as Nordic countries but not Scandinavian. But lutefisk is part of the (Swedo-)Finnish kitchen as well as the Swedish and Norwegian.

Espen

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All three of them are coming to Oslo tomorrow and will stay until Sunday. There shall be gifs.

Espen

09:11 19.08.2003 -0700 skrev Betty Clark:
>Espen, this sounds wonderful.  You and Ingjerd get to go to many exciting
>places.  You need to keep posting photos of those grandchildren though so
>we can watch them grow!
>
>Betty
>
>At 11:44 AM 8/19/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>>Next week we will spend with Ingjerd's father's roots. We fly to Tromsø
>>Monday, pick up a car and drive on to Gargia near Alta more or less at 70°
>>N. Tuesday we drive on to Mehamn at 71.0° N 27.8° E and spend the night
>>there. Wednesday we drive down South to Karlebotten which at 70.1°N, 28.6°
>>E is about as far East as Istanbul. This is where Ingjerd's father grew up
>>until WWII forced the family South. We will spend two nights here and then
>>on our way back we will take the inland road, across the Finnmark plateau
>>through the traditional Sámi (Lapp) heartlands and stay overnight at
>>Kautokeino (or Guovdageainnu as its original name is in Sámi - the county
>>has a bilingual homepage here: http://www.kautokeino.kommune.no/ ) and
>>then back to Tromsø where we stay a night before we go back to Oslo. There
>>we will have a couple of days for adjustment to temperatures above 10C
>>before we fly to Athens ...
>>
>>Espen

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19:08 19.08.2003 -0500 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>Again, Espen knows much more than I do, but my <book knowledge> is that
>Finnish was an indigenous spoken language, not a written language and
>not a <standard> language (I could give a long lecture on what that
>means, but I'm semi-retired and thus eschewing such), until something
>like the nineteenth century, when the Finns turned Finnish into a
><standard language> -- writing etc. -- to try to ward off being usurped
>by the Russians and Swedes.

Finnish as a written language goes back to the (protestant Lutheran) reformation and the creation of a Finnish bible. So rather the 16th century than the ninteenth, I believe.

Espen

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06:59 19.08.2003 -0700 skrev Lynne Weber:
>> -- that
>> most Scandinavians don't include Finland as part of
>> Scandinavia
>> because of "the different language."  (I couldn't
>> help thinking
>> at that point about all those Swedish-speaking
>> Finns, the
>> bilingual signs, etc.)
>> Can't believe I forgot this part at first since I
>> found it
>> especially interesting because of the role of
>> language in his
>> attitudes.
>
>
>In a discussion I heard recently regarding Finland, it
>was stated that Swedish ran a close second to Finnish
>in numbers of speakers.  I would have thought Russian
>would be the second language because of Finnish
>history, but not according to this commentator.

??? In Finland there is a Swedish-speaking minority. Around 1919 20 percent of the Finns had Swedish as their first language, they are fewer now. But Finland is officially bilingual: both Swedish and Finnish are official languages. Adding in to this, there are Finnish speaking minorities in Norway and Sweden, and there are two (or three) Sámi languages in Finland, Sweden and Norway + a separate Sámi language on the Kola peninsula in Russia. But there is no Russian minority in either of these countries although there are Finnish minorities (slightly different Finnish languages in different places) in Russia.

Espen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        I'm sure half of them would approach heat stroke, even at
>>night.  Last year the room would cool off a little during my
>>plan hour without all those bodies, but this year I have
>>another teacher using my room, so it will never be empty.  I
>>may approach heat stroke by 6th hour.
>>
>
> So your school doesn't have a/c?  I of course grew up in un-a/c'ed
> schools.  Even houses didn't have a/c in my childhood.  But I am <old>.
> I didn't realize that un-a/c'ed schools still existed.


        Parts of it have a/c, and parts don't.  Some of the newer
wings are used by Webster University for night school, and
they have a/c, as do the offices and computer labs.  I'm in
the 1913 addition, however, and there are days when I'm
happy my electrical outlets work.  You can see the school at
www.webster.k12.mo.us if you want to chase links.  There's a
virtual tour in there, although the link that's supposed to
be my room is actually of the room above me.

>
>>        Have you seen the new thing MIT is doing?  They're making
>>course materials -- lectures/handouts/tests/etc. available
>>online for free. It isn't an online course -- you just get
>>to use all the materials. It's at http://ocw.mit.edu.
>>
>
> I had read about that a while back but hadn't looked at the stuff.  I'm
> moving myself more and more toward total retirement.


        Ah, very good.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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At 09:40 PM 8/19/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>... I'm moving myself more and more toward total retirement.

attagirl.

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> Did you report on life in darkness while I was on nomail?

No. I didn't. My blackout experience was this:

I had had a REALLY bad day last Thursday, and was doing some final things on the day when suddenly my computer zapped out. I just stood up and said, Okay, I'm gone. And then the alarms started sounding and security was evacuating the building, and it was a little scary because one otherwise calm female security guard looked completely freaked, and people were saying that it wasn't just us, that it was the whole region, so of course you have the post-9/11 heebie jeebies, but you just go.

So I drove and listened to the radio, and regretted that I ignored the red light on my phone which indicated I had a message. Because I wondered about Bruce. Was worried he might have gotten stuck in the subway as the timing would have been perfect. And he's a claustrophobic sort.

Then I worried about my food, but too late, I was past any places selling ice that were open.

At home, no power, got a call from Bruce's step-mom -- he's okay, he's at the apartment in the city (lucky). Heard from him shortly thereafter -- he was in Grand Central at the time in a line buying me flowers, actually. (Remember, I had had a REALLY bad day). He saw the lights flicker once, then again, and just got the hell out of there. On the street people hadn't noticed yet but he saw that the traffic lights were out. He just walked north with $35 in his pocket and no idea how he was getting home to the apartment on 83rd Street.

Later I encouraged him to go out and soak in some of the activity. He went to a local bar, where they were open and candlelit.

Back at home, I stoked up the grill, poured a glass of wine, and read on the back deck. Got a phone call from the next door neighbor -- it was her BIRTHDAY, and her husband was stuck in St. Louis (where they are moving to TODAY). I grabbed a brownie that was in my fridge, stuck a candle in it and went up to share my wine.

We had power back by 7:30 PM (for a bit earlier from 6:15-6:19 PM). We were maybe the first town to have it back. I think it might have been because of Indian Point.

Bruce woke up to still no power in the city, but found a bus to Yonkers where I picked him up. Then the power went out again across the county.

We had plans Friday for dinner with some friends but were wary about restaurants, so I made a meal of chicken and ribs on the grill with potato salad (potatoes cooked on the side burner) and a can of Glory collard greens. I will never again tell people I don't know why I got a side burner.

That's about it. Not that exciting.

Marie

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"many thanks" is so affected.

I hate it, when somebody tells me 'many thanks'.

Assholes.

Ann

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----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM>


> >An Industry Trapped by a Theory
> >by Robert Kuttner
> >
> >In the search for the source of Thursday's blackout, the
> underlying cause
> >has been all but ignored: deregulation.

Um, what deregulation?  When you have a commodity that has to be
produced upon demand and cannot be stockpiled, and has the means of
production curtailed and the means of distribution eliminated in the
face of increasing demand, things like this are inevitable.  The only
factor left open to market forces is the price.  Anyone remember PG&E's
proposal about four years ago to moor a generating vessel in SF harbor
to cope with demands in excess of capacity, even then?  Oh, the
hilarity that ensued!  And that's even with the San Onofre nuclear
plant being built just outside of Phoenix, thank you California very
much...

JMW

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On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> "many thanks" is so affected.

> I hate it, when somebody tells me 'many thanks'.

> Assholes.

Thank you for venting...

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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YaY!

Betty

At 01:15 PM 8/20/2003 +0200, Espen Ore wrote:
>All three of them are coming to Oslo tomorrow and will stay until Sunday.
>There shall be gifs.
>
>Espen
>
>09:11 19.08.2003 -0700 skrev Betty Clark:
> >Espen, this sounds wonderful.  You and Ingjerd get to go to many exciting
> >places.  You need to keep posting photos of those grandchildren though so
> >we can watch them grow!
> >
> >Betty
> >
> >At 11:44 AM 8/19/2003 +0200, you wrote:
> >>Next week we will spend with Ingjerd's father's roots. We fly to Tromsø
> >>Monday, pick up a car and drive on to Gargia near Alta more or less at 70°
> >>N. Tuesday we drive on to Mehamn at 71.0° N 27.8° E and spend the night
> >>there. Wednesday we drive down South to Karlebotten which at 70.1°N, 28.6°
> >>E is about as far East as Istanbul. This is where Ingjerd's father grew up
> >>until WWII forced the family South. We will spend two nights here and then
> >>on our way back we will take the inland road, across the Finnmark plateau
> >>through the traditional Sámi (Lapp) heartlands and stay overnight at
> >>Kautokeino (or Guovdageainnu as its original name is in Sámi - the county
> >>has a bilingual homepage here: http://www.kautokeino.kommune.no/ ) and
> >>then back to Tromsø where we stay a night before we go back to Oslo. There
> >>we will have a couple of days for adjustment to temperatures above 10C
> >>before we fly to Athens ...
> >>
> >>Espen

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> "many thanks" is so affected.
>
> I hate it, when somebody tells me 'many thanks'.
>
> Assholes.
>
> Ann


It would be just as effective to say
"Thanks . . ditto, ditto, ditto."

                 - D. M.

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On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>> "many thanks" is so affected.
>>
>> I hate it, when somebody tells me 'many thanks'.
>>
>> Assholes.
>>
>> Ann


> It would be just as effective to say
> "Thanks . . ditto, ditto, ditto."

Nah, I think this would be more assholish.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
> That's about it. Not that exciting.

I think that's a good thing to say about a blackout or a tornado.

Karen
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Ann Borkin writes,

>"many thanks" is so affected.

Just to understand better, what about similar phrases when spoken in their
native language?

mille grazie
muchas gracias
merci beaucoup
vielen dank

Pete

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On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:

>> Ann Borkin writes,
>>
>> >"many thanks" is so affected.
>>
>> Just to understand better, what about similar phrases when spoken in their
>> native language?
>>
>> mille grazie
>> muchas gracias
>> merci beaucoup
>> vielen dank

> Jeez, I wouldn't presume to judge affectation in another language I don't
> speak every day.

> - Unless you mean this as a counter - in which case I say many thanks for
> your interesting stuff.  Next?

So do you just nonnative speakers of English as assholes when they use
this phrase?

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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>>> kaminski@ISTORI.COM 08/20/03 01:40PM >>>
Ann Borkin writes,

>"many thanks" is so affected.

Just to understand better, what about similar phrases when spoken in their
native language?

mille grazie
muchas gracias
merci beaucoup
vielen dank

Pete

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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Ann Borkin writes,
>
> >"many thanks" is so affected.
>
> Just to understand better, what about similar phrases when spoken in their
> native language?
>
> mille grazie
> muchas gracias
> merci beaucoup
> vielen dank

Jeez, I wouldn't presume to judge affectation in another language I don't
speak every day.

- Unless you mean this as a counter - in which case I say many thanks for
your interesting stuff.  Next?

Ann

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02003-08-20 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> >> Ann Borkin writes,
> >>
> >> >"many thanks" is so affected.
> >>
> >> Just to understand better, what about similar phrases when spoken in their
> >> native language?
> >>
> >> mille grazie
> >> muchas gracias
> >> merci beaucoup
> >> vielen dank
>
> > Jeez, I wouldn't presume to judge affectation in another language I don't
> > speak every day.
>
> > - Unless you mean this as a counter - in which case I say many thanks for
> > your interesting stuff.  Next?
>
> So do you just nonnative speakers of English as assholes when they use
> this phrase?

Does anybody freakin' COMPREHEND anything anymore?

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> On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> >> "many thanks" is so affected.
> >>
> >> I hate it, when somebody tells me 'many thanks'.
> >>
> >> Assholes.
> >>
> >> Ann
>
>
> > It would be just as effective to say
> > "Thanks . . ditto, ditto, ditto."
>
> Nah, I think this would be more assholish.
>
> Karen

Shirley you didn't think I was serious.

            - D. M.

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On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>> On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>> >> "many thanks" is so affected.
>> >>
>> >> I hate it, when somebody tells me 'many thanks'.
>> >>
>> >> Assholes.
>> >>
>> >> Ann
>>
>>
>> > It would be just as effective to say
>> > "Thanks . . ditto, ditto, ditto."
>>
>> Nah, I think this would be more assholish.
>>
>> Karen

> Shirley you didn't think I was serious.

You forget who you're talking to: I take everyone seriously.

Karen
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> So do you just nonnative speakers of English as assholes when they use
> this phrase?

Is it so hard to understand?  NATIVE speakers, those are the ones I'm
judging, dammit.

Ann

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On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> So do you just nonnative speakers of English as assholes when they use
>> this phrase?

> Is it so hard to understand?  NATIVE speakers, those are the ones I'm
> judging, dammit.

I just think it's a bizarre judgment. But hey, this is
words-frickin'-l.

Karen
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No.
--- Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
> 02003-08-20 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> writes:
> > On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > > On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> > >> Ann Borkin writes,
> > >>
> > >> >"many thanks" is so affected.
> > >>
> > >> Just to understand better, what about similar
> phrases when spoken in their
> > >> native language?
> > >>
> > >> mille grazie
> > >> muchas gracias
> > >> merci beaucoup
> > >> vielen dank
> >
> > > Jeez, I wouldn't presume to judge affectation in
> another language I don't
> > > speak every day.
> >
> > > - Unless you mean this as a counter - in which
> case I say many thanks for
> > > your interesting stuff.  Next?
> >
> > So do you just nonnative speakers of English as
> assholes when they use
> > this phrase?
>
> Does anybody freakin' COMPREHEND anything anymore?


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> Is it so hard to understand?  NATIVE speakers, those
> are the ones I'm
> judging, dammit.
>
> Ann


Judge not...

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02003-08-20 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>
> >> So do you just nonnative speakers of English as assholes when they use
> >> this phrase?
>
> > Is it so hard to understand?  NATIVE speakers, those are the ones I'm
> > judging, dammit.
>
> I just think it's a bizarre judgment. But hey, this is
> words-frickin'-l.

So you just wordslers on the list as assholes when they post?

That's unforgivably rude.

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On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> So you just wordslers on the list as assholes when they post?

I don't know what this means.

> That's unforgivably rude.

Perhaps.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

> At 09:40 PM 8/19/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>> ... I'm moving myself more and more toward total retirement.
>
>
> attagirl.


        Natalie should acquire the charming habit of making little
somethings and giving them away to children.  Retired people
often walk up to us and give Ana handmade trinkets --
crocheted bunnies, tiny finger puppets, etc.  Yesterday a
man gave her a small top.  The day before an older woman
stopped me in the post office and gave me a bunch of very
good coupons for tampons and maxipads that she had just
gotten in the mail, but I think that was a little different.
  Sometimes life in Florissant can be very pleasant.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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02003-08-20 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > So you just wordslers on the list as assholes when they post?
>
> I don't know what this means.

Let the heart lead, the pants will follow.

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02003-08-20 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>        Natalie should acquire the charming habit of making little
> somethings and giving them away to children.  Retired people
> often walk up to us and give Ana handmade trinkets --
> crocheted bunnies, tiny finger puppets, etc.  Yesterday a
> man gave her a small top.  The day before an older woman
> stopped me in the post office and gave me a bunch of very
> good coupons for tampons and maxipads that she had just
> gotten in the mail, but I think that was a little different.
>  Sometimes life in Florissant can be very pleasant.

Did you say "many thanks"?

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I love to listen to you talk.

Many thanks.

At 02:00 PM 8/20/2003 -0400, Paul Barfoot wrote:
>spasibo bol'shoi
>
>BrP
>
>
>
>
> >>> kaminski@ISTORI.COM 08/20/03 01:40PM >>>
>Ann Borkin writes,
>
> >"many thanks" is so affected.
>
>Just to understand better, what about similar phrases when spoken in their
>native language?
>
>mille grazie
>muchas gracias
>merci beaucoup
>vielen dank
>
>Pete

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Bless you heart
 
 


>>> bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU 08/20/03 02:24PM >>>
I love to listen to you talk.

Many thanks.

At 02:00 PM 8/20/2003 -0400, Paul Barfoot wrote:
>spasibo bol'shoi
>
>BrP
>
>
>
>
> >>> kaminski@ISTORI.COM 08/20/03 01:40PM >>>
>Ann Borkin writes,
>
> >"many thanks" is so affected.
>
>Just to understand better, what about similar phrases when spoken in their
>native language?
>
>mille grazie
>muchas gracias
>merci beaucoup
>vielen dank
>
>Pete

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On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> first one in America was held October 1621 by Plymouth Colony

So why do we celebrate in November?

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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because we're not Canadian
 
 
:-(
 
 
 


>>> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM 08/20/03 03:53PM >>>
On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> first one in America was held October 1621 by Plymouth Colony

So why do we celebrate in November?

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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On Monday, August 18, 2003 at 18:48, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> According to today's Motley Fool, Coke is planning on canning
> Fruitopia.  Pity; I really like the Grape Beyond.

"We eat what we can, and what we can't we can."

Tony H.

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On 20 Aug 2003 at 15:53, Paul Barfoot wrote:

> My mind is reeling trying to decide what word I
> would sponsor if I had the ten bucks.

Diegesis, of course.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:


> I almost forgot to report:  I saw the editor of the Jabberwock today,
> and she said it has just gone to the printer and should be out in a week
> or so.  She said something about a delay having to do with "the cover
> girl."  I think that means the person who does the artwork for the cover
> or something like that.


        Oh goodie!  A present coming in the mail :).




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Marie Ascher wrote:

> That's about it. Not that exciting.

But I loved reading it.  I like little slice-of-life stories like that.

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On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-08-20 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > So you just wordslers on the list as assholes when they post?
>>
>> I don't know what this means.

> Let the heart lead, the pants will follow.

You're finally learning...

Karen

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"Many good thoughts" is not SUCH a strange thing to say
 
 
thank - O.E. þancian, from þanc, þonc "thought," hence "good thoughts, gratitude," from P.Gmc. *thangk-, root of think. In ironical use, "to blame," from 1560. Thankful is from O.E. þancfulle; thanksgiving is 1533; in the specific sense of "public celebration acknowledging divine favors" it dates from 1632 (the first one in America was held October 1621 by Plymouth Colony Pilgrims in appreciation of assistance from members of the Massasoit tribe and celebration of the first harvest); though Thanksgiving Day itself is not attested until 1674. Thank you is 15c., short for I thank you. TGIF for "Thank God, it's Friday" is c.1970. 

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The ONLINE ETYMOLOGY DICTIONARY is trying to stay afloat by offering sponsorship of a word.  My mind is reeling trying to decide what word I would sponsor if I had the ten bucks.
 
Some of the sponsors are at:
 
http://www.etymonline.com/working/sponsors.htm
 
 
BrP

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On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> because we're not Canadian


> :-(

See below:

"Where the heart leads, the Thanksgiving Day celebration follows." PRB

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Espen Ore wrote:
>
> 19:08 19.08.2003 -0500 skrev Natalie Maynor:
> >Again, Espen knows much more than I do, but my <book knowledge> is that
> >Finnish was an indigenous spoken language, not a written language and
> >not a <standard> language (I could give a long lecture on what that
> >means, but I'm semi-retired and thus eschewing such), until something
> >like the nineteenth century, when the Finns turned Finnish into a
> ><standard language> -- writing etc. -- to try to ward off being usurped
> >by the Russians and Swedes.
>
> Finnish as a written language goes back to the (protestant Lutheran) reformation and the creation of a Finnish bible. So rather the 16th century than the ninteenth, I believe.

I noticed that in one of Pete's urls.  I think I must have conflated the
beginning of their written language (16th century) with the <promotion>
of it (19th century).

Speaking of Pete -- I talked today to a person who often uses
techbargains.com, and he said that their prices are definitely accurate
-- that you must have changed something in the configuration to end up
with that higher price on the notebook.  He said that the first time you
use techbargains, it can be confusing.  Something like that.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>   You can see the school at
> www.webster.k12.mo.us if you want to chase links.  There's a
> virtual tour in there, although the link that's supposed to
> be my room is actually of the room above me.

I tried it, but it said that I would have to get a somethingorother for
the tour to work.  I did see the school map.

> > moving myself more and more toward total retirement.
>
>         Ah, very good.

Except that I've just agreed to teach another course if the dean can be
convinced to let us split a too-large Intro to Linguistics class.  I had
thought that the only course I'd be teaching this semester was
Descriptive English Grammar, which I taught this morning.  Intro to Ling
will be tomorrow morning if this split does happen.

I almost forgot to report:  I saw the editor of the Jabberwock today,
and she said it has just gone to the printer and should be out in a week
or so.  She said something about a delay having to do with "the cover
girl."  I think that means the person who does the artwork for the cover
or something like that.

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http://www.freewebs.com/punchbowl/oldwoman.html

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PS:  I meant to ask -- did Bruce walk to 83rd St?  I heard a woman
talking on NPR Friday about her four-hour walk home to somewhere in
Brooklyn and how it turned out to be a jolly experience really -- about
strangers who became friends, one of them inviting her to spend the
night with him and his wife when they got as far as his street, another
who gave her candles to light the rest of her way home, etc. etc.

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Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> Ann Borkin writes,
>
> >"many thanks" is so affected.
>
> Just to understand better, what about similar phrases when spoken in their
> native language?
>
> mille grazie
> muchas gracias
> merci beaucoup
> vielen dank

Interesting question.  I think AnnBork's answer is no, of course -- that
her reaction is only to the English.  But do you think the literalness
of the translation would be significant?  Like would "muchas gracias" be
more likely to offend Ann than "merci beaucoup"?  Is "thanks a lot" also
offensive?

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On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
> http://www.freewebs.com/punchbowl/oldwoman.html

But she's not an old woman.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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> "Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

You know I just wanted to point out here that lots of times I have
observed the vice versa of this.  Also, I wonder if PRB really said
"pants" the first time.

Ann

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On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>> "Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

> You know I just wanted to point out here that lots of times I have
> observed the vice versa of this.

But they weren't our ETs.

>  Also, I wonder if PRB really said
> "pants" the first time.

Yes, he did.

(I think the conversation was about wanting to get into various
people's pants.)

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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In a message dated 8/20/2003 10:26:15 AM, bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

>At 01:15 PM 8/20/2003 +0200, Espen Ore wrote:
>
>>All three of them are coming to Oslo tomorrow and will stay until Sunday.
>
>>There shall be gifs.
>
>
Great! Theo

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On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Betty Clark wrote:

>> http://www.freewebs.com/punchbowl/oldwoman.html
>>
> When I am an old woman, WHICH I AM NOW, I will spit on these stupid
> bravura pseudo-poems written by neurotic middle-aged or younger broads.

Thank you. I spit with you, and throw my pants in your direction.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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In a message dated 8/20/2003 4:33:39 PM Central Daylight Time,
kaminski@ISTORI.COM writes:
<<
However, techbargains now makes this observation: "Update:
Price raised almost $200 on tuesday as they force you to buy a 3 year
warranty, deal over."

>>

No one can force you to buy a warranty, not even Sears.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
Home of the Puppy 500

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:06 am
>
>        Of course it is a kind of hot cereal.  You can even get it in
> little Quaker Instant packets.

Kroger has a variety pack of different flavored grits here, and I'm
tempted to take some back home with me, but I bet Frys has them as
well.  Perhaps.
If I take anything back with me it'll be some of these embrosial
peaches...

JMW, eatin' over the sink

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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Betty Clark wrote:

> http://www.freewebs.com/punchbowl/oldwoman.html
>
When I am an old woman, WHICH I AM NOW, I will spit on these stupid
bravura pseudo-poems written by neurotic middle-aged or younger broads.

Ann

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>-- that you must have changed something in the configuration to end up
>with that higher price on the notebook.  He said that the first time you
>use techbargains, it can be confusing.  Something like that.

I was not confused, and was careful not to change the
configuration.  However, techbargains now makes this observation: "Update:
Price raised almost $200 on tuesday as they force you to buy a 3 year
warranty, deal over."

Pete

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At 02:34 PM 8/20/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>
>>At 09:40 PM 8/19/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>
>>>... I'm moving myself more and more toward total retirement.
>>
>>
>>attagirl.
>
>
>        Natalie should acquire the charming habit of making little
>somethings and giving them away to children.  Retired people
>often walk up to us and give Ana handmade trinkets --
>crocheted bunnies, tiny finger puppets, etc.  Yesterday a
>man gave her a small top.  The day before an older woman
>stopped me in the post office and gave me a bunch of very
>good coupons for tampons and maxipads that she had just
>gotten in the mail, but I think that was a little different.
>  Sometimes life in Florissant can be very pleasant.

Natalie could take up knitting!

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----- Original Message -----
From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
Date: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:42 pm

> I had my only Waffle House experience when we visited Kentucky. John,
> Sylvia, Larry and I even made off with a menu which I have in my
> possession. John scarfed up the grits and I did have to try them.

And on my penultimate trip here we had a truly miserable experience at
one that made me fully understand the sobriquet "Awful House".  If
you're in these parts the Huddle Hut is much better.

JMW, corner-sewer

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> somethings and giving them away to children.  Retired people
> often walk up to us and give Ana handmade trinkets --
> crocheted bunnies, tiny finger puppets, etc.  Yesterday a
> man gave her a small top.  The day before an older woman
> stopped me in the post office and gave me a bunch of very
> good coupons for tampons and maxipads that she had just
> gotten in the mail, but I think that was a little different.
>   Sometimes life in Florissant can be very pleasant.
 --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman


And this is what happened to me yesterday:
I was checking out a book from the library
and was told I had a 40 cent fine on the book
I had just turned in.  I had not brought any money with me because I
didn't realize the book was late.    A younger person came up behind me
and placed 40 cents on the counter to pay my fine.  I asked her not to
but she insisted, and wouldn't give me her name so I could return the
money.  Nice girl.  She probably thought I was old and forgetful, huh?

             - D. M.

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Evelyn Duncan writes,

>No one can force you to buy a warranty, not even Sears.

It's limited-time offers of bundles with varied pricing.  Some of the
bundles apparently come with a warranty.

Pete

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02003-08-20 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > http://www.freewebs.com/punchbowl/oldwoman.html

I can hear a bunch of starry-eyed aging drunks at a "slam" yelling
"you go girl" ...

> When I am an old woman, WHICH I AM NOW, I will spit on these stupid
> bravura pseudo-poems written by neurotic middle-aged or younger broads.

When I am old, the place will be crawling with chintzy, desperate,
scary, attention-seeking hags having breakdowns in public places ...

(and everyone going "holy shit she's still alive")

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At 04:29 PM 8/20/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
>
> >> http://www.freewebs.com/punchbowl/oldwoman.html
> >>
> > When I am an old woman, WHICH I AM NOW, I will spit on these stupid
> > bravura pseudo-poems written by neurotic middle-aged or younger broads.
>
>Thank you. I spit with you, and throw my pants in your direction.

Jealous bitches.  I will laugh at you and wear your pants braided into my hair.

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At 04:08 PM 8/20/2003 -0400, Tony Harminc wrote:
>On Monday, August 18, 2003 at 18:48, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> > According to today's Motley Fool, Coke is planning on canning
> > Fruitopia.  Pity; I really like the Grape Beyond.
>
>"We eat what we can, and what we can't we can."
>
>Tony H.


Tony!  I wondered about you.  Thanks for checking in.

Betty

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02003-08-20 | Paul Barfoot <Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU> writes:
> The ONLINE ETYMOLOGY DICTIONARY is trying to stay afloat by offering
> sponsorship of a word.  My mind is reeling trying to decide what word
> I would sponsor if I had the ten bucks.

Polenta.

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02003-08-20 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> http://www.freewebs.com/punchbowl/oldwoman.html

I was wondering about her! Thanks for sharing.

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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:40:53 -0700, BF Clark <bfclark2@COMCAST.NET> wrote:
>Natalie could take up knitting!

Knitters don't smoke.

Karen

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02003-08-20 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:40:53 -0700, BF Clark <bfclark2@COMCAST.NET> wrote:
> >Natalie could take up knitting!
>
> Knitters don't smoke.

Natalie could become the first smoking knitter!

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Looks like a big one will be let loose on September 11, and
more admins will be blamed for not patching the broken machines
they were sold.

Despite months of experience with Klez, perhaps some people don't
completely understand what's going on. A mail is sent from account
A, to account B, with 'from' address C, and 'to' address D. There
is no relation between any two--all it has to do is find a valid
address to propagate to.

Still:

1 People complain to C, causing further complications.
2 Worse, there are clueless automated programs "returning"
  the message to C (who had nothing to do with the message),
  with a suitable berating message.
3 Far worse, there are a few ridiculous "hackers" who have
  fantastically elaborate blacklisting protocols to block
  users--and these protocols may get more popular.

Most of the automated crap ignores the "categorical imperative"--
it works only because few of its neighbors are doing it.

It seems like Internet mail protocols were designed for a happy
harmonious family of machines which were minimally well-built.
And with the assumption that mail would not be so idiotically
intertwined with other crucial functions of the machine (and
these "crucial" functions would be so basic to the lives of
so many people).

There's got to be an overhaul. Roughly speaking, the sender
has to pay for the mail AND the receiver has to signal that
he wants it. Otherwise in the name of convenience we will
have a rainforest of viruses.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> > first one in America was held October 1621 by Plymouth Colony
>
> So why do we celebrate in November?

Because November is a dreary, depressing month in need of something to
make it <happier>.  Not that I've ever considered Thanksgiving a
particularly jolly event.  It has always struck me as the most boring of
holidays.

The big news around here is that we are going to have a three-day "fall
break" this year and that it's going to be appended to the usual two-day
Thanksgiving holiday -- iow, we're having a whole week off.  That's kind
of exciting.  I was looking at NW's website thinking about maybe going
to Paris that week, but I see that the ff-mile cost is much higher that
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in ff miles.  But I just don't like <waste>.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> I was not confused, and was careful not to change the
> configuration.

I told him that it was not likely that you were confused -- that that
was not your wont.

> However, techbargains now makes this observation: "Update:
> Price raised almost $200 on tuesday as they force you to buy a 3 year
> warranty, deal over."

Interesting.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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- D. M.:
>She probably thought I was old and forgetful, huh?

No, she just wanted to get her books and get
outta that goddam library line and get to
other things she'd rather do.

Waste enough time in front of <us> at the A&P
and you're likely to get your bill paid.

--
wound a bit too tight, we are

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BF Clark wrote:

> Natalie could take up knitting!

Hahahahaha.  I'm remembering the time I tried knitting.  What a mess and
what cursing was involved -- or whatever cursing-like thing I did back
then -- it was many years before I ever uttered dirty words.  I was a
young teenager, I think.  Anyway, my idea of hell is sitting in a cold
place and being forced to knit.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Knitters don't smoke.

??  I've known smoking knitters in my life.  Why is it that you believe
that knitters don't smoke?

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On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> Knitters don't smoke.

> ??  I've known smoking knitters in my life.  Why is it that you believe
> that knitters don't smoke?

It seems to be the rule in Austin. (Which is just as well, of course.)

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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> There's got to be an overhaul. Roughly speaking, the sender
> has to pay for the mail AND the receiver has to signal that
> he wants it. Otherwise in the name of convenience we will
> have a rainforest of viruses.

Well said!

er

Right ho!

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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> Tell me!!  We thought she may be a little tired because of being so sick
> just last month.  She really bounced back.
>
> Betty

I was worried about wearing them out, but once I heard Betty goes to the
gym and recently climbed a mountain, I thought, they just might wear *me*
out!

I haven't had email since Sunday, and am currently playing the "Delete the
Worm" game.  Boy someone had it bad!  Email is almost manageable.

Terry

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02003-08-20 | Adam Hartfield <adamh1@COMCAST.NET> writes:
> > There's got to be an overhaul. Roughly speaking, the sender
> > has to pay for the mail AND the receiver has to signal that
> > he wants it. Otherwise in the name of convenience we will
> > have a rainforest of viruses.
>
> Well said!
>
> er
>
> Right ho!

Check out: http://cr.yp.to/im2000.html

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KK>Knitters don't smoke.
NM>??  I've known smoking knitters in my life.
KK>It seems to be the rule in Austin.

And here is the concentrated essence of the
"most Americans have been to Europe" thing.

(tinyurl yo' ass to dg9a)

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On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, hominy cricket wrote:
> And here is the concentrated essence of the
> "most Americans have been to Europe" thing.

Nah.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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Karen:
> Nah.

Uh huh.

--
Patrick
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> Waste enough time in front of <us> at the A&P
> and you're likely to get your bill paid.

Same here. I am frequently infested by the GET THE HELL OUT OF MY WAY demon.
It manifests itself most often in the passing lane on a highway.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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    A younger
> person came up behind me
> and placed 40 cents on the counter to pay my fine.
> I asked her not to
> but she insisted, and wouldn't give me her name so I
> could return the
> money.  Nice girl.  She probably thought I was old
> and forgetful, huh?
>
>              - D. M.

Perhaps it is fortunate she didn't offer to pay Mme.
Borinki's fine.


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In a message dated 8/20/2003 8:28:17 PM Central Daylight Time, twild@URI.EDU
writes:
<<
I told him he was missed and should pop in once in a while.

>>

Thank you!

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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Ann Borkin writes,

>- Unless you mean this as a counter

No, just trying to figure out where you're coming from.  I can deduce now
that it's not the literal meaning that you think is affected, at least.

Pete

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There's got to be an overhaul. Roughly speaking, the
sender
has to pay for the mail AND the receiver has to signal
that
he wants it. Otherwise in the name of convenience we
will
have a rainforest of viruses.

Yes, but have you shared all this with the Powers That Be?

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Terry Wild wrote:

> I told him he was missed and should pop in once in a while.

Did you make him promise to?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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02003-08-20 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > Jealous bitches.  I will laugh at you and wear your
> > pants braided into my hair.
>
> Thus bitches sans britches?

How did you know which site I was surfing?

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> Barbara Ann, wherever you are, smile on us all, I pray.
>
> Bethany


I'm sure she smiles on you a lot, Bethany.  Thanks for sharing.  Do you
have any special adventures with Barbara Ann you'd like to share?

Terry

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--On Monday, August 18, 2003 8:37 PM -0500 Rita Chapman
<rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> wrote:


>         Damn it!  I want to meet Myles.
>

Myles is great.  He looked fine.  Sauntered into Connolly's with his cased
stick, looking for action.

This was my first Myles meeting.

I told him he was missed and should pop in once in a while.

Terry

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--On Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:48 AM -0400 bonniev <bonniev@GWI.NET> wrote:

> Why did Terry come out to
> California?  Just to visit with you guys?

Yup.  Hoped to get in a few firsts with some other west coasters, but they
were all coasting in other directions.  I'm glad I could meet Myles,
especially since I missed all those NY gatherings.

Terry

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>
> Jealous bitches.  I will laugh at you and wear your
> pants braided into my hair.


Thus bitches sans britches?


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02003-08-20 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
>> There's got to be an overhaul. Roughly speaking, the sender
>> has to pay for the mail AND the receiver has to signal that
>> he wants it. Otherwise in the name of convenience we will
>> have a rainforest of viruses.
>
> Yes, but have you shared all this with the Powers That Be?

Yes. They said many thanks.

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According to Channel 5 News last night, another drink is set
to hit the market.  To hell with Fruitopia.  Soon we will
all be buying Pimp Juice.

Oh yes.  I can't wait.

--
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02003-08-20 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> where you're coming from

This has the same effect in me as "many thanks" ...

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--- hominy cricket <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> wrote:
> Karen:
> > Nah.
>
> Uh huh.
>
> --
> Patrick
> "Where the sponge leads, the square pants follow."

YaY!

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At 06:42 PM 8/20/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>BF Clark wrote:
>
> > Natalie could take up knitting!
>
>Hahahahaha.  I'm remembering the time I tried knitting.  What a mess and
>what cursing was involved -- or whatever cursing-like thing I did back
>then -- it was many years before I ever uttered dirty words.  I was a
>young teenager, I think.  Anyway, my idea of hell is sitting in a cold
>place and being forced to knit.

You can wait until you are old and try again.

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02003-08-20 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> According to Channel 5 News last night, another drink is set
> to hit the market.  To hell with Fruitopia.  Soon we will
> all be buying Pimp Juice.
>
> Oh yes.  I can't wait.

Do the "Fab 5" recommend it?

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02003-08-20 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 06:42 PM 8/20/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >BF Clark wrote:
> >
> >> Natalie could take up knitting!
> >
> >Hahahahaha.  I'm remembering the time I tried knitting.  What a mess and
> >what cursing was involved -- or whatever cursing-like thing I did back
> >then -- it was many years before I ever uttered dirty words.  I was a
> >young teenager, I think.  Anyway, my idea of hell is sitting in a cold
> >place and being forced to knit.
>
> You can wait until you are old and try again.

Braid it, let it flow, twist it up in a unicorn horn.

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Tushar Samant wrote:
> > where you're coming from
>
> This has the same effect in me as "many thanks" ...

This thread has offered fodder for discussions in Intro to Ling.  But
instead of feeling inspired by the topic I'm feeling a bit
discombobulated right now, wondering whether I should've just said no to
teaching that course.  I was sliding so comfortably into total
retirement, with just one course, Descriptive English Grammar, this
semester.  But as long as I'm teaching one, I might as well be teaching
two.  And the Intro to Ling course, which attracts a varied group and
normally includes some excellent students, both undergrad and grad, will
perhaps offer a bit of respite from the Descriptive English Grammar
course, which is a very easy course to teach but which also can be
depressing since it is required of English-Ed majors and thus is heavily
populated by bubble-headed idiots with blank stares.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> Did you make him promise to?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


He refused to be nailed down.

Terry

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02003-08-20 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Terry Wild wrote:
>
> > I told him he was missed and should pop in once in a while.
>
> Did you make him promise to?

She is a Yankee, Natalie.

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At 06:02 PM 8/20/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-08-20 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:40:53 -0700, BF Clark <bfclark2@COMCAST.NET> wrote:
> > >Natalie could take up knitting!
> >
> > Knitters don't smoke.
>
>Natalie could become the first smoking knitter!

I knitted, smoke, and drank!

Multi tasker,

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> Thank you!
>
> Evelyn Duncan


You're welcome, how's Daisy and Mom?

Terry

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On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Betty wrote:
> At 06:42 PM 8/20/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>BF Clark wrote:
>>
>> > Natalie could take up knitting!
>>
>>Hahahahaha.  I'm remembering the time I tried knitting.  What a mess and
>>what cursing was involved -- or whatever cursing-like thing I did back
>>then -- it was many years before I ever uttered dirty words.  I was a
>>young teenager, I think.  Anyway, my idea of hell is sitting in a cold
>>place and being forced to knit.

> You can wait until you are old and try again.

FTR, I never knit anywhere cold.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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At 04:30 PM 8/17/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>Comics in recognizably modern form, at least as early as 1460 ...
>
>http://bugpowder.com/andy/


LOL

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> FTR, I never knit anywhere cold.

What do you knit, then?


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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-08-20 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>According to Channel 5 News last night, another drink is set
>>to hit the market.  To hell with Fruitopia.  Soon we will
>>all be buying Pimp Juice.
>>
>>Oh yes.  I can't wait.
>>
>
> Do the "Fab 5" recommend it?


        They cannot help but.




--
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> > Yes, but have you shared all this with the Powers
> That Be?
>
> Yes. They said many thanks.

And have a bless day.


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In a message dated 8/20/2003 8:54:31 PM Central Daylight Time, twild@URI.EDU
writes:
<<
You're welcome, how's Daisy and Mom?

>>

Daisy gets on Mom's nerves sometimes with her biting, but Mom
loves her now.  Now, Daisy and Sweetie are another story; I'm
thinking of entering Sweetie in boxing.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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> How did you know which site I was surfing?

Imagination.


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02003-08-20 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-08-20 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >
> >>According to Channel 5 News last night, another drink is set
> >>to hit the market.  To hell with Fruitopia.  Soon we will
> >>all be buying Pimp Juice.
> >>
> >>Oh yes.  I can't wait.
> >>
> >
> >Do the "Fab 5" recommend it?
>
>
>        They cannot help but.

Send over your discount e-coupons yo

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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> Perhaps it is fortunate she didn't offer to pay Mme.
> Borinki's fine.

Indeed.  Mme. Borinki would have accepted graciously and asked her if she
could spare another dollar or two for some Pimp Juice.

Ann

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At 09:12 PM 8/20/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:
>>Tell me!!  We thought she may be a little tired because of being so sick
>>just last month.  She really bounced back.
>>
>>Betty
>
>I was worried about wearing them out, but once I heard Betty goes to the
>gym and recently climbed a mountain, I thought, they just might wear *me*
>out!
>
>I haven't had email since Sunday, and am currently playing the "Delete the
>Worm" game.  Boy someone had it bad!  Email is almost manageable.

Our system has been very sluggish.  I'm getting e-mail slowly and out of
order now.

Getting ready to have some Kinsen Plum.  Has Alan finished all his sake?

Betty

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> Indeed.  Mme. Borinki would have accepted graciously
> and asked her if she
> could spare another dollar or two for some Pimp
> Juice.

A young old woman after mine own heart.

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On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> FTR, I never knit anywhere cold.

> What do you knit, then?

Right now I'm making lace socks for my sister.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > > I told him he was missed and should pop in once in a while.
> >
> > Did you make him promise to?
>
> She is a Yankee, Natalie.

I'm pondering this.  Yankees are normally <assertive> and blurt right
out the requirements.  But extracting a promise might be different.
Making somebody promise something isn't quite like commanding.  As I
said, I'm pondering.  My brain is feeling especially mushy right now.
New semesters do that.  Too many strange circus acts.  Too much
traffic/congestion.  Too few parking places, even at 7:30 a.m.  General
turmoil.

The muggy heat continues, which again makes me think about how nice it
will be if it's gloriously hot and muggy for the first fb game on the
30th.  I won't be there in person, of course.  I will be watching it on
my tv screen.  I still wish I had a big tv screen, even though I don't
turn on tv often.  It would be fun to watch fb games on a big screen (in
the privacy of my own home, not in a bar).  And it would be especially
fun if we win some games this year, which nobody is counting on but
which I keep thinking is surely possible if those Yankee Ducks come down
here to play in our wonderful cloud of hot humidity.  Are the Ducks
Oregon or Oregan State?  Where do they live?  We've played them in the
first game for the past few years, but I can't remember exactly who they
are.  Eugene rings a bell.  Is that where the Ducks live?  I'm vaguely
remembering some staunch Dawg fans going last year to Eugene, OR, to
watch us lose.  But I may be wrong.  The memory is fuzzy.  I do know
that whoever from Oregon we're playing in that first game are Ducks.
Local restaurants are already advertising dead-duck menus in honor of
the the first fb game.

Life in a small town dominated by a university is weird in ways, I
guess.  But I like it.  The more I travel around with my eyes really
open, the more I realize that I really shouldn't consider moving.  It's
not the dead-duck menu stuff that makes me think that.  My brain lurched
from that to other things.  It's that I think I am much happier living
in academia than I would be in non-academia.  Even with silly things
like dead-duck menus, there's something that feels better to me about a
college town.  I think I mentioned earlier that Bay St. Louis struck me
as a fascinating combination of artsy and rednecky.  What I'm gradually
figuring out is that redneckiness is rampant throughout this country but
is far less present in small college towns.

I have wafted into a topic that is too complicated for my dead brain to
manage right now.

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On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Terry Wild wrote:
>> > Did you make him promise to?
>> He refused to be nailed down.

> Aha.  So Terry did indeed try to nail him.  Somebody needs to convey to
> Myles that it is considered *highly tacky* that he just waltzed away
> from us -- that his image is tarnishing as a result and that his coming
> back very soon is the only way to stop the corrosion.

Yeah, sweet-talk him, that'll work.

Karen
"You catch more flies with vinegar than honey."

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > What do you knit, then?
>
> Right now I'm making lace socks for my sister.

One knits lace?  I think I'm confused about what knitting really is --
though it doesn't change my belief that I would hate doing it.  I
thought knitting resulted in things like sweaters and thick -- as in not
lace -- socks.  I'm not sure where I thought lace came from (other than
Belgium, of course -- but I'd never thought about what in Belgium
<rendered> it -- as in the process).

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> Right now I'm making lace socks for my sister.

Thought lace was tatting?  I used to do some
creditable needlepoint while tipsy.  Now I can sew in
a straight line, I've lost interest.

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Today coming down the ramp after everyone else arriving from Larkspur, was
an interesting family.  I saw the two chadors first, then the bearded man
with an interesting cap preceeding them.  Really, the chadors were black
just like in pictures, with mailbox-slots for eyes.  One woman was
carrying a swathed infant and one was carrying a toddler.  There were also
two little boys.  I had time only to watch the women and register my
confused emotions:  how dramatic and beautiful, the black shapes!  how
quease-making, the total picture, colored by my assumptions, fears,
politics and imagination.

Then, later, from the ferry bus in my very own home town, I saw a woman
with a white hat like those Dutch nuns?  And the picture on the cleanser,
Dutch Girl, I think?  I think she was just a neo hippy though.

And that reminds me, I had forgotten:  This noon, in the city, I saw a
woman with a beautiful headdress that looked like it had been made from
Reynolds Wrap.  Or very very very thin tin, maybe.  It was very
complicated although it sat pretty low on her head.  We met in the middle
of a busy crosswalk and I only got a fast glimpse.  I wonder what -her-
story is.  An artist, I guess.

Ann

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Betty wrote:

> >  Anyway, my idea of hell is sitting in a cold
> >place and being forced to knit.
>
> You can wait until you are old and try again.

Do I have to?  Can I spend my time on e-mail instead of knitting?
Shouldn't old age be a time of choosing what one wants to do, situation
willing?

Then again, there are some things that I didn't like in younger years
and now like -- foods, activities, etc.  So I guess the "try again"
would be appropriate.  But if I still hated it, surely I would have the
right to say "SCREW THIS!"

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On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Betty wrote:

>> >  Anyway, my idea of hell is sitting in a cold
>> >place and being forced to knit.
>>
>> You can wait until you are old and try again.

> Do I have to?  Can I spend my time on e-mail instead of knitting?
> Shouldn't old age be a time of choosing what one wants to do, situation
> willing?

> Then again, there are some things that I didn't like in younger years
> and now like -- foods, activities, etc.  So I guess the "try again"
> would be appropriate.  But if I still hated it, surely I would have the
> right to say "SCREW THIS!"

FWIW, I stopped knitting about 20 years ago, and only recently
restarted.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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> You forget who you're talking to: I take everyone seriously.
>
> Karen
> "Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB


Time for a giggle!  Seriously!

Terry

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On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> Right now I'm making lace socks for my sister.

> Thought lace was tatting?

There are several ways of making lace. One way is knitting. This isn't
what tatters would call "real" lace. It's a virtuoso piece for me--I
never knitted lace before, only crocheted it.

Karen
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On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Terry Wild wrote:
> Time for a giggle!  Seriously!

Uh-huh.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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At 09:28 PM 8/20/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > >  Anyway, my idea of hell is sitting in a cold
> > >place and being forced to knit.
> >
> > You can wait until you are old and try again.
>
>Do I have to?  Can I spend my time on e-mail instead of knitting?
>Shouldn't old age be a time of choosing what one wants to do, situation
>willing?
>
>Then again, there are some things that I didn't like in younger years
>and now like -- foods, activities, etc.  So I guess the "try again"
>would be appropriate.  But if I still hated it, surely I would have the
>right to say "SCREW THIS!"

Yes!

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At 09:32 PM 8/20/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Terry Wild wrote:
> > > Did you make him promise to?
> > He refused to be nailed down.
>
>Aha.  So Terry did indeed try to nail him.  Somebody needs to convey to
>Myles that it is considered *highly tacky* that he just waltzed away
>from us -- that his image is tarnishing as a result and that his coming
>back very soon is the only way to stop the corrosion.

He only belongs to us on the west coast.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> FWIW, I stopped knitting about 20 years ago, and only recently
> restarted.

But did you hate it 20 yrs ago?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> FWIW, I stopped knitting about 20 years ago, and only recently
>> restarted.

> But did you hate it 20 yrs ago?

When I quit, I did.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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Terry Wild wrote:
> > Did you make him promise to?
> He refused to be nailed down.

Aha.  So Terry did indeed try to nail him.  Somebody needs to convey to
Myles that it is considered *highly tacky* that he just waltzed away
from us -- that his image is tarnishing as a result and that his coming
back very soon is the only way to stop the corrosion.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> What I'm gradually
> figuring out is that redneckiness is rampant
> throughout this country but
> is far less present in small college towns.
>
> I have wafted into a topic that is too complicated
> for my dead brain to
> manage right now.

Redneckiness is international, don't you think?
(Assumptive question.)


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Karen Kay wrote:

> >> Anyway, my idea of hell is sitting in a cold
> >>place and being forced to knit.
>
> > You can wait until you are old and try again.
>
> FTR, I never knit anywhere cold.

I added the cold because, when starting to say that my idea of hell was
knitting, I remembered that my main idea of hell is being cold.  That's
the only reason cold and knitting are associated.

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On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> There's a book with a title something like 'Two sticks and a string'.
> That's all it takes to knit. Whether you end up with lace or something
> thick depends on the size of the sticks and the texture of the string.

I'm using six sticks to make these socks. 5 to hold the yarn and 1 to
knit with.

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>
> I knitted, smoke, and drank!
>
> Multi tasker,

    - Betty

I knitted, smoke, drank, watched TV
and read a book . . all at the same time.
Often.

                 - D. M.

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On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > What do you knit, then?
>>
>> Right now I'm making lace socks for my sister.

> One knits lace?

One can.

> I thought knitting resulted in things like sweaters and thick -- as in not
> lace -- socks.

There's a book with a title something like 'Two sticks and a string'.
That's all it takes to knit. Whether you end up with lace or something
thick depends on the size of the sticks and the texture of the string.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> > What I'm gradually
> > figuring out is that redneckiness is rampant
> > throughout this country but
> > is far less present in small college towns.
> >
> > I have wafted into a topic that is too complicated
> > for my dead brain to
> > manage right now.
>
> Redneckiness is international, don't you think?
> (Assumptive question.)

For sure.  But what it was that I started realizing was that it is less
noticeable in college towns -- and that I have become <spoiled> -- have
become accustomed to living in a small town, with the small-town
advantages, that is not typical of the majority of small towns in the
country.

I don't mean to imply that Starkville is unique in any way.  There are
many other college towns in the country, along with other small towns
that are similar to college towns.  Many of them are no doubt even more
of what it is that I'm trying to describe -- the good things -- than
Starkville.  It's just that I have come to realize in a more
<full-fledged> way something that had been niggling around in the back
of my head for a long time -- that I wouldn't be as happy in a
non-academic small town/city.

As I said, my brain is way too fried to make sense.  And it's now
10:00.  I should have said no to another class!  Maybe I'll <just say
no> to any teaching spring semester.  But who is going to teach HOTEL
next semester?  And why do I worry about it????  It's NOT MY PROBLEM.
Last year I felt obligated since I decided to retire without full
warning.  But this year?  I should feel free to say no.  But that's
hard.  I really do care about my department and can't see saying no to a
genuine need.

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> Maybe I'll <just say
> no> to any teaching spring semester.  But who is
> going to teach HOTEL
> next semester?  And why do I worry about it????
> It's NOT MY PROBLEM.
> Last year I felt obligated since I decided to retire
> without full
> warning.  But this year?  I should feel free to say
> no.  But that's
> hard.  I really do care about my department and
> can't see saying no to a
> genuine need.

Sounds as though the flesh is eager to retire, but the
spirit is not willing.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


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> Today coming down the ramp after everyone else arriving from Larkspur,
was
> an interesting family.  I saw the two chadors first, then the bearded
man
> with an interesting cap preceeding them.  Really, the chadors were
black
> just like in pictures, with mailbox-slots for eyes.  One woman was
> carrying a swathed infant and one was carrying a toddler.  There were
also
> two little boys.  I had time only to watch the women and register my
> confused emotions:  how dramatic and beautiful, the black shapes!  how
> quease-making, the total picture, colored by my assumptions, fears,
> politics and imagination.
>
> Then, later, from the ferry bus in my very own home town, I saw a
woman
> with a white hat like those Dutch nuns?  And the picture on the
cleanser,
> Dutch Girl, I think?  I think she was just a neo hippy though.
>
> And that reminds me, I had forgotten:  This noon, in the city, I saw a
> woman with a beautiful headdress that looked like it had been made
from
> Reynolds Wrap.  Or very very very thin tin, maybe.  It was very
> complicated although it sat pretty low on her head.  We met in the
middle
> of a busy crosswalk and I only got a fast glimpse.  I wonder
what -her-
> story is.  An artist, I guess.
>
> Ann

Interesting.

Googling chador brought up some good stuff,
which I am too tired to read right now.  Anyway I am reading No Shame
for the Sun,
Lives of Professional Pakistani Women, which
promises to give a lot of insight into not only
Pakistani but other women of the area.

Don't know nuttin about Dutch nuns though.

              - D. M.

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> I knitted, smoke, drank, watched TV
> and read a book . . all at the same time.
> Often.

So when you stopped smoking, did that unravel the rest of the knot, or did
you then knit, drink, watch tv and read a book, still?

Ann

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On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>>
>> I knitted, smoke, and drank!
>>
>> Multi tasker,

>     - Betty

> I knitted, smoke, drank, watched TV
> and read a book . . all at the same time.
> Often.

How did you hold the cigarrette and the glass when you were knitting?

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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At 10:15 PM 8/20/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> > I knitted, smoke, and drank!
> >
> > Multi tasker,
>
>     - Betty
>
>I knitted, smoke, drank, watched TV
>and read a book . . all at the same time.
>Often.

You are good!  Have you heard from your son again, Doris?

Betty

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:15:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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EXCUSE ME, THIS IS A SCIENCE EXPERIMENT.  SORRY FOR THE DUPLICATION.

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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Subject: off the ferry

Today coming down the ramp after everyone else arriving from Larkspur, was
an interesting family.  I saw the two chadors first, then the bearded man
with an interesting cap preceeding them.  Really, the chadors were black
just like in pictures, with mailbox-slots for eyes.  One woman was
carrying a swathed infant and one was carrying a toddler.  There were also
two little boys.  I had time only to watch the women and register my
confused emotions:  how dramatic and beautiful, the black shapes!  how
quease-making, the total picture, colored by my assumptions, fears,
politics and imagination.

Then, later, from the ferry bus in my very own home town, I saw a woman
with a white hat like those Dutch nuns?  And the picture on the cleanser,
Dutch Girl, I think?  I think she was just a neo hippy though.

And that reminds me, I had forgotten:  This noon, in the city, I saw a
woman with a beautiful headdress that looked like it had been made from
Reynolds Wrap.  Or very very very thin tin, maybe.  It was very
complicated although it sat pretty low on her head.  We met in the middle
of a busy crosswalk and I only got a fast glimpse.  I wonder what -her-
story is.  An artist, I guess.

Ann

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> I added the cold because, when starting to say that my idea of hell
was
> knitting, I remembered that my main idea of hell is being cold.
That's
> the only reason cold and knitting are associated.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

This is funny to me, because I have a saying that my idea of "heaven" is
someplace that
is cool all the time.  To that end I remember
that once after hearing a Shriner's chorus sing "Cool, Cool Water" I
approached the director and asked them to sing at my funeral.  A lot of
the guys in that award winning Shriners choral group that year are gone
now, but I still have their record . . . and just may have it played at
my funeral. Water, of course, is symbolic of
spirit.  And since fiery heat is associated with
hell, I would think cool comfort would be
heavenly.  To me it would be.

             - D. M.

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> I'm using six sticks to make these socks. 5 to hold
> the yarn and 1 to
> knit with.

Ha.  Mental picture.  Get Burl to assist with the yarn.

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On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> I'm using six sticks to make these socks. 5 to hold
>> the yarn and 1 to
>> knit with.

> Ha.  Mental picture.  Get Burl to assist with the yarn.

No. She knows her place.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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> > I knitted, smoke, drank, watched TV
> > and read a book . . all at the same time.
> > Often.
>
> So when you stopped smoking, did that unravel the rest of the knot, or
did
> you then knit, drink, watch tv and read a book, still?
>
> Ann

I quit knitting before I quit smoking.
I quit smoking before I quit drinking.
Now I just watch TV, read a book,
and drink . . . but it's usually tea,
even herbal tea.

             - D. M.

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> Our system has been very sluggish.  I'm getting e-mail slowly and out of
> order now.
>

Same here.  I just ran a check on this system and was glad to find I didn't
have the worm. YaY! Thanks, Adam, for putting a halt on the email crap.

> Getting ready to have some Kinsen Plum.  Has Alan finished all his sake?
>
> Betty

Not yet. We were busy last night attending a beach cookout.  I've got to
chill the bottles.  Realized I didn't get a 'warm' one, opps.

Terry

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Subject: Re:      Re: SAY SOMETHING, BRAD
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> On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> >>
> >> I knitted, smoke, and drank!
> >>
> >> Multi tasker,
>
> >     - Betty
>
> > I knitted, smoke, drank, watched TV
> > and read a book . . all at the same time.
> > Often.
>
> How did you hold the cigarrette and the glass when you were knitting?
>
> Karen

Actually it's impossible to do any two things
at the same time.  You have to take turns.
Knit, sip, drag, blow, purl,  sip, drag, blow
. . . . . . . .

               - D. M.

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On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> Actually it's impossible to do any two things
> at the same time.

I can knit and listen to the TV at the same time.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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Subject: Re:      Re: SAY SOMETHING, BRAD
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> At 10:15 PM 8/20/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
> > >
> > > I knitted, smoke, and drank!
> > >
> > > Multi tasker,
> >
> >     - Betty
> >
> >I knitted, smoke, drank, watched TV
> >and read a book . . all at the same time.
> >Often.
>
> You are good!  Have you heard from your son again, Doris?
>
> Betty

Yes.  He's headquartered this time in one of the stans, has lots of
responsibility, few comforts, but doing well.  Misses his family,
of course.

                            - D. M.

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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After I copied what I figured Doris' Google search was - simply, "chador"
- I didn't find any pictures of what exactly I saw.

I saw black chador but NO FACES AT ALL:  just a slit for the eyes.

You know, I don't think I would have been as spooked, if their faces had
been showing.  We have Muslim women wearing -stuff- , with their faces
showing, here; it's not uncommon.

But just slits, that's different.

Ann

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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

> But just slits, that's different.

And now, I'm thinking, there's some equivalence going on, some, say,
figure of speech the name of which I can't remember, some kind of
sublimation, distortion:  slit for eyes, symbolic for female [can't think
of a good word here that's not too raw or too latin] -- you know, DOWN
THERE.

Probably a zillion feminist writers have anticipated me here . . .  or,
maybe it's just me

Ann

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In a message dated 8/20/2003 10:46:36 PM Central Daylight Time,
aborkin@RAHUL.NET writes:
<<
You know, I don't think I would have been as spooked, if their faces had
been showing.  We have Muslim women wearing -stuff- , with their faces
showing, here; it's not uncommon.

But just slits, that's different.

>>

I wish that one day the women there would all throw their chadors off and
say "I'm mad as Hell, and I'm not taking it any more!"

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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>
> I wish that one day the women there would all throw their chadors off
and
> say "I'm mad as Hell, and I'm not taking it any more!"
>
> Evelyn Duncan

But many of them claim they wear it willingly for reasons of piety or
spirituality, etc.

I think they must be unfamiliar with the term
"programming."

                               - D. M.

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> After I copied what I figured Doris' Google search was - simply,
"chador"
> - I didn't find any pictures of what exactly I saw.
>
> I saw black chador but NO FACES AT ALL:  just a slit for the eyes.
>
> You know, I don't think I would have been as spooked, if their faces
had
> been showing.  We have Muslim women wearing -stuff- , with their faces
> showing, here; it's not uncommon.
>
> But just slits, that's different.
>
> Ann

I have seen a lot of variations of that on my trips to the Mayo Clinic.
Many heavily veiled women go there, accompanied by translators and
assistants.  I have seen slits and veils and gold masks and you name it.

 Most interesting was a long conversation
with one of them, through her translator, as we sat in an inner waiting
room, undressed and wearing paper gowns, awaiting our mammograms.  I'm
sure I've mentioned this
before.  She asked if it was really true, as she'd been told, that
American women have breast cancer because they do not nurse their
babies.

                - D. M.

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In a message dated 8/20/2003 9:15:56 PM, aborkin@RAHUL.NET writes:

>And the picture on the cleanser,
>Dutch Girl, I think?

I never could associate that picture with anything (one) I had ever seen in
Holland. Theo

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> I wish that one day the women there would all throw their chadors off and
> say "I'm mad as Hell, and I'm not taking it any more!"

But how do you know that they are mad or are <taking it>?

--
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In fact, I did.
 
BrP


>>> aborkin@RAHUL.NET 08/20/03 04:58PM >>>
> "Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

You know I just wanted to point out here that lots of times I have
observed the vice versa of this.  Also, I wonder if PRB really said
"pants" the first time.

Ann

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not various people - only one person
 
BrP
 

>>> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM 08/20/03 05:01PM >>>

(I think the conversation was about wanting to get into various
people's pants.)

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-08-20 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
= > > http://www.freewebs.com/punchbowl/oldwoman.html
=
= I can hear a bunch of starry-eyed aging drunks at a "slam" yelling
= "you go girl" ...
=
= > When I am an old woman, WHICH I AM NOW, I will spit on these stupid
= > bravura pseudo-poems written by neurotic middle-aged or younger broads.
=
= When I am old, the place will be crawling with chintzy, desperate,
= scary, attention-seeking hags having breakdowns in public places ...
=
= (and everyone going "holy shit she's still alive")

I'll be there in a couple of weeks.  We can practice.

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From: Karen Kay <Karen@WordWrite.com>
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On Thursday, August 21, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> not various people - only one person

You are such a stevedore.:)

>>>> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM 08/20/03 05:01PM >>>

> (I think the conversation was about wanting to get into various
> people's pants.)

> Karen
> "Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB



Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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--- Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> wrote:
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>         - D. M.

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On Thursday, August 21, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> Thanks.  At least I know now it's not just me.

Interesting. I think I'm getting less now.

Karen
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Tushar Samant writes,

>This has the same effect in me as "many thanks" ...

I think I know where you're coming from.

Pete

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On Thursday, August 21, 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Tushar Samant writes,

>>This has the same effect in me as "many thanks" ...

> I think I know where you're coming from.

How dare you!

Karen
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I can't BELIEVE that we have had to hire a lawyer to get the
bumper fixed on the truck.  This is a <$1000 claim for
pete's sake.  It took them weeks to even come out and take a
picture of it, and we had to fax them a copy of the police
report.  They're turning it into a huge adversarial deal.  I
really wanted the truck fixed before I went back to school,
so I guess they're gonna have to add the cost of a rental
vehicle to the repair bill now.

--
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In a message dated 6/19/2003 8:02:58 PM, dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:

>> >yeah.. that's it Rashmi... become a plastic surgeon. You will never want
for money or fear unemployment again!
>
It may be a good profession for him, but only if the economy improves. If
people lack jobs, they wouldn't have the money for plastic surgery either.
Perhaps I'm being too pessimistic, but I can't help being realistic either.  Karen
feels that the job market isn't likely to improve, but let's hope that she's
wrong. Theo

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In a message dated 8/18/2003 4:39:11 PM, dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU writes:

>She died in an iron lung. My mother says that the last thing Barbara Ann
>said to her in the hospital, after being placed in the iron lung, was "I'm
>sorry to cause so much trouble." I find that very difficult to believe.
>
How sad,and I can picture her as a really thoughtful person had she lived.
Haven't been getting any new mail for a while, so if I'm late forgive me for not
responding right away.
Theo

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In a message dated 6/23/2003 2:16:15 AM, Espen.Ore@NB.NO writes:

>In Europe (Northern Europe at least) quite a lot of people still roll their
>own cigarettes.
>
My dad rolled his own until his death. I used to be quite proficient in the
art, if I ran out of my own filtered kind, and wanted a smoke! Many years ago I
was invited to a student party at my eldest dau's college. and was bemused to
see the problems they were having with it. Needless to say it wasn't tobacco
they were rolling ;-) Theo

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In a message dated 8/14/2003 8:13:51 PM, aborkin@RAHUL.NET writes:

>Most travel/vacation time goes to visiting my mother, who's - my god! -
>92.
>
It's hard to imagine, even for me; but then,I'm not even 80 yet :-) Is she
still in good health? I think that's more important than anything. Being able to
take care of yourself, and not having to depend on others for everything,
counts for a lot; at least imo.
Does she live in her own home? Wish I could meet her, but...
Theo

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In a message dated 6/29/2003 8:58:50 AM, bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

>>Eating enough seems to be a challenge for a lot of seniors. I guess our
>>taste buds wear away or the brain receptors just don't hold up over time.
-----
Nawww, dunno what causes it our lack of appetite. Although I've never been a
big eater. My mother used to go after me for not eating enough.Only when I had
to cook for 5 people when the kids were little did it "pay" to prepare a lot.
Read some something interesting about breastfeeding. According to Dutch
research bottle fed babies are not as smart. It is not only better, but also a lot
more convient than keeping all those bottles clean, and all that's involved
with that I believe.
Got into big trouble this morning. I fell out of bed! Took me forever to get
back in with only half of my body working...
That's something that hadn't happened since I was a young girl. Hope it won't
happen again either. I didn't think I needed bed railings anymore... Never
too old to learn something, eh?
Weird thing was that I hadn't noticed it. Woke up on the carpet and couldn't
believe that I was on the floor!

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In a message dated 7/1/2003 4:23:26 PM, BrandyKitt@AOL.COM writes:

>I know that if I find out who he (or they) is, I will sue him for
>charges I've had to pay for a check that bounce and for any
>other charges I'm having to pay.
>
And right you'll be. Theo

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In a message dated 8/19/2003 6:18:01 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

> I don't think of grits as related to cereal is that I think of cereal,
whether hot or cold, as something you put milk on, not something you put butter on.
>
My mother cooked oatmeal in milk, then added sugar on the plates, and I hated
it. Never, ever added butter.
We have lotsa Waffle Houses in Colorado. I had friends going there, but only
for coffee.
Theo

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On Thursday, August 21, 2003, Theo Groothof wrote:
> In a message dated 6/25/2003 12:00:10 PM, karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

>>Right. I went to public school my last two years. Those are the two years
>>
>>I'm talking about.
>>
> This is one thing that always amazes me that public schools teach religion in
> this country.

Um, what?! I was talking about having to take religion classes outside
of school. The religion classes I had in-school were at a Catholic
school. I don't know any public schools that teach religion.

[about Alyce's memorial service]
> I would have liked to attend her farewell, but unfortunately I'm not able to
> travel on my own. I'll be there in thoughts though, no matter how little it
> means to you all. Regretfully, Theo

I regret that you think it meant little to anyone on this service.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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In a message dated 8/21/2003 8:24:38 AM, dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:

>I'm getting lots of it.
>
>
>
>        - D. M.
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>
Me too. The

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In a message dated 8/21/2003 1:15:31 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

>
>I regret that you think it meant little to anyone on this service.
>
I never send this mesg. or any of these latest ones. This is crazy!
Theo

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not even this one?
 
 
BrP


>>> Dutchessg1@AOL.COM 08/21/03 03:31PM >>>
In a message dated 8/21/2003 1:15:31 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

>
>I regret that you think it meant little to anyone on this service.
>
I never send this mesg. or any of these latest ones. This is crazy!
Theo

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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:34:22 -0500
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On Thursday, August 21, 2003, Tony Harminc wrote:
> outages since the big one, and I'm still feeling tanned and rested
> from my vacation.

Where did you go?

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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I'm nomail for the next week - off to Toronto
 
be less than interesting
 
BrP
 
 

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In a message dated 8/21/2003 1:34:39 PM, Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU writes:

>not even this one?
>BrP
>
This latest one about not sending them I did. Did any of you get any about
not being able to get removed from certain porno sites, because I was already
removed that I never subscribed to to begin with? This one is really mine too.
Theo

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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:01:58 -0500
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http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994083

"Humans trained to hunger like Pavlov's dogs"

"...But whereas Pavlov's dogs were conditioned to drool at the sound
of a bell, Jay Gottfried and colleagues at University College London,
UK, trained humans to yearn for vanilla ice cream and peanut butter at
the sight of fractal-based computer images."

Karen

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In a message dated 6/25/2003 12:00:10 PM, karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

>Right. I went to public school my last two years. Those are the two years
>
>I'm talking about.
>
This is one thing that always amazes me that public schools teach religion in
this country. What even more amazes me it the amount of crime being committed
by such a supposedly pious, and ethical community.
As a non-believer it wouldn't occur to me to hurt anyone, or anything on
purpose. Alyce and I had that thought in common
I would have liked to attend her farewell, but unfortunately I'm not able to
travel on my own. I'll be there in thoughts though, no matter how little it
means to you all. Regretfully, Theo

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On Thursday, August 21, 2003, Theo Groothof wrote:
> In a message dated 6/19/2003 8:02:58 PM, dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:

>>> >yeah.. that's it Rashmi... become a plastic surgeon. You will never want
> for money or fear unemployment again!
>>
> It may be a good profession for him,

Her.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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On Wednesday, August 20, 2003 at 15:33, BF Clark wrote:

> Tony!  I wondered about you.  Thanks for checking in.

Thank you for wondering... I'm sitting here in a hot office (we're
officially on half power rations this week), with occasional trips
upstairs to the machine room to cool off. But really, things aren't
too bad - the subway's running fine, we've had no further power
outages since the big one, and I'm still feeling tanned and rested
from my vacation.

Tony H.

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On Thursday, August 21, 2003 at 14:34, Karen Kay wrote:

> On Thursday, August 21, 2003, Tony Harminc wrote:
> > outages since the big one, and I'm still feeling tanned and rested
> > from my vacation.
>
> Where did you go?

Same place as past years: http://www.cedargrove.on.ca

More specifically, http://www.cedargrove.on.ca/bluebird.htm

I have a bunch of pictures I could post if I find somewhere
convenient to host them.

Tony H.

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At 07:21 AM 8/21/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
>Are you getting more spam?

Please see the attached file for details.

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        Wow.  It looks relaxing.  I'm tempted!

Tony Harminc wrote:

> On Thursday, August 21, 2003 at 14:34, Karen Kay wrote:
>
>
>>On Thursday, August 21, 2003, Tony Harminc wrote:
>>
>>>outages since the big one, and I'm still feeling tanned and rested
>>>from my vacation.
>>>
>>Where did you go?
>>
>
> Same place as past years: http://www.cedargrove.on.ca
>
> More specifically, http://www.cedargrove.on.ca/bluebird.htm
>
> I have a bunch of pictures I could post if I find somewhere
> convenient to host them.
>
> Tony H.
>
>


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At 03:01 PM 8/21/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994083
>
>"Humans trained to hunger like Pavlov's dogs"
>
>"...But whereas Pavlov's dogs were conditioned to drool at the sound
>of a bell, Jay Gottfried and colleagues at University College London,
>UK, trained humans to yearn for vanilla ice cream and peanut butter at
>the sight of fractal-based computer images."

Probably all economics majors...

cwv

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In a message dated 8/20/2003 10:59:12 PM Central Daylight Time,
dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:
<<
But many of them claim they wear it willingly for reasons of piety or
spirituality, etc.

I think they must be unfamiliar with the term
"programming."

>>

Or "operant conditioning."  Maybe they need to take Psych 101.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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In a message dated 8/21/2003 2:09:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
Dutchessg1@AOL.COM writes:
<<
In a message dated 7/1/2003 4:23:26 PM, BrandyKitt@AOL.COM writes:

>I know that if I find out who he (or they) is, I will sue him for
>charges I've had to pay for a check that bounce and for any
>other charges I'm having to pay.
>
And right you'll be. Theo

>>

I finally got to see a copy of the check written to Pizza Hut;
the signature is nowhere near mine.  Mine is tiny; this one
was stretched out, and they used my full name, which I never
do when signing checks.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 8/20/2003 10:59:12 PM Central Daylight Time,
> dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:
> <<
> But many of them claim they wear it willingly for reasons of piety or
> spirituality, etc.
>
> I think they must be unfamiliar with the term
> "programming."
>
>
>
> Or "operant conditioning."  Maybe they need to take Psych 101.


        Or maybe you need to be respectful of religious beliefs and
choices.


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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From: "Tony Harminc" <tony@harminc.com>
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On Thursday, August 21, 2003 at 15:18, Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Wow.  It looks relaxing.  I'm tempted!

The place is popular with Americans, both for historical reasons and
for the current exchange rates. The general comment I've heard many
times is something like "there are places like this in [State x], but
there's nothing with all this at anything close to this price."

The sad part of all this is that there used to be many family owned
places like this in the area, and the current owner says that he sees
about one a year close. Mostly they get converted into timeshare
condos of some sort. The owners are all sitting on multi-millions of
dollars in land values, and the temptation to cash out must be high.
The current owner is in his late 50s, and his son (30ish) seems much
less dedicated to the place, so we'll see... :-(

There's another similar place next door (five minutes walk through
the woods) at http://www.powwowpointlodge.com .

Tony

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easily figure out the driving time from Ullapool to Thurso in Scotland.


bonnie

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In a message dated 8/21/2003 4:46:57 PM Central Daylight Time,
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
<<
    Or maybe you need to be respectful of religious beliefs and
choices.

>>

If it were actually their choice and not something forced on them,
I would respect it.  Remember the girls who were forced to burn
to death because they tried to escape from a burning school
without their coverings?  I've seen too much damage done in
the name of religion and too much damage forced upon women
by men in the name of religion to just blindly "respect" it.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
Home of the Puppy 500

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> On Thursday, August 21, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > Thanks.  At least I know now it's not just me.
>
> Interesting. I think I'm getting less now.

I think I'm getting less now in regular mail, but the sudden large burst
of it on Words-L was <notable>.

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At 05:53 PM 8/21/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>easily figure out the driving time from Ullapool to Thurso in Scotland.

Ask Isobel from Scotland.

Betty

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Theo Groothof wrote:

> This latest one about not sending them I did. Did any of you get any about
> not being able to get removed from certain porno sites, because I was already
> removed that I never subscribed to to begin with? This one is really mine too.

I've gotten tons of responses to mail I haven't sent.  The first one was
the one I mentioned a day or so ago making it sound as if I had sent
mail to the moderator of some kind of .gov list.  That one <consterned>
me because it was before I had gone farther in my mail and found all the
other evidences of the wormy thing -- all the re: thank you and details
and attached-file messages.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> UK, trained humans to yearn for vanilla ice cream and peanut butter at
> the sight of fractal-based computer images."

One of the desserts at one of the newish restaurants in Starkville is
peanut butter and a glass of milk.  Or so somebody reported at lunch
yesterday -- having seen it on the menu, not having partaken of it.

Speaking of lunch reminds me that I mentioned to the techbargains.com
fan about that sudden uppage in the price on the Dell notebook, and he
said that that kind of thing isn't unusual -- that often you have to act
very quickly on the techbargains listings -- that sometimes you have a
window of only a few hours.  But he said that if you can act quickly,
the deals are outstanding.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 8/21/2003 4:46:57 PM Central Daylight Time,
> rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
> <<
>     Or maybe you need to be respectful of religious beliefs and
> choices.
>
>
>
> If it were actually their choice and not something forced on them,
> I would respect it.  Remember the girls who were forced to burn
> to death because they tried to escape from a burning school
> without their coverings?  I've seen too much damage done in
> the name of religion and too much damage forced upon women
> by men in the name of religion to just blindly "respect" it.

        And you have special knowledge that the rest of us don't?  I
don't really think you're in a position to judge other women
and call them psychologically damaged or controlled or
subjugated from your apartment in Tulsa, Oklahoma.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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bonniev writes,

>easily figure out the driving time from Ullapool to Thurso in Scotland.

mapquest.co.uk?

Looks like it's 4 hours, 119.0 miles (191.5km).

I asked them to mail me a link I could share, but it's not immediately
forthcoming.  It's easy, thouh -- just ask for driving directions from one
to the other.

Pete

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Tony Harminc wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, August 20, 2003 at 15:33, BF Clark wrote:
>
> > Tony!  I wondered about you.  Thanks for checking in.
>
> Thank you for wondering... I'm sitting here in a hot office (we're

I wondered also!

> outages since the big one, and I'm still feeling tanned and rested
> from my vacation.

Where did you go?  Back to that area in northern(?) Ontario?

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On Thursday, August 21, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> Remember the girls who were forced to burn
> to death because they tried to escape from a burning school
> without their coverings?

I don't know anything about this, but I do know that a lot of Japanese
women died in a department store fire because they refused to jump out
of the building. (They don't wear underwear under their kimono...)

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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Tony Harminc wrote:

> More specifically, http://www.cedargrove.on.ca/bluebird.htm

Why is the "minimum adult occupancy 4"?  And did the children pretend to
be adults so y'all would qualify?  Or did they mean "maximum"?

> I have a bunch of pictures I could post if I find somewhere
> convenient to host them.

This reminds me that I've been meaning to ask the url of that place I
put my Acadiafest pictures.  I can't remember what it was --
fotosomething, I think.

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From: "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
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I am checking in to see if the virus-driven empty messages have slowed or
ceased (I never received any of the virus attachments, but I got really
tired of the empty, meaningless messages).

The tiny bit of needed electrical and plumbing work on my new condo was
all done today, and I met one of my new neighbors. Two of us were
waiting for the workmen to show up when Steve came out of his condo. He
offered coffee. I accepted. He brought me a mug full of coffee and gave
me the mug as a gift. Then a friend came out of another condo - this will
be my kind of community.

Meanwhile, the Old City continues to deteriorate ...

Next - closing - then the move - then thoughts of a newer vehicle -

Bethany

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In a message dated 8/21/2003 5:30:58 PM Central Daylight Time,
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
<<
    And you have special knowledge that the rest of us don't?  I
don't really think you're in a position to judge other women
and call them psychologically damaged or controlled or
subjugated from your apartment in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

>>

Who is judging the women?  I just want them to have all
the options open to Western women.

Evelyn Duncan
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After the move comes the house blessing - I have not done one since my
move to the OC in 1995. It was grand - our bishop did the blessing - I had
a pianist - this will be fun.

Bethany

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 Did
> any of you get any about
> not being able to get removed from certain porno
> sites, because I was already
> removed that I never subscribed to to begin with?
> This one is really mine too.
> Theo



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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> In a message dated 8/20/2003 10:59:12 PM Central Daylight Time,
> dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:
> <<
> But many of them claim they wear it willingly for reasons of piety or
> spirituality, etc.

Something is amiss.  I didn't see Doris's original.

> I think they must be unfamiliar with the term
> "programming."
>
> >>
> Or "operant conditioning."  Maybe they need to take Psych 101.

As has been discussed before on this <service>, people do indeed view
the world through their cultural filters.

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On Thursday, August 21, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> In a message dated 8/21/2003 5:30:58 PM Central Daylight Time,
> rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
> <<
>     And you have special knowledge that the rest of us don't?  I
> don't really think you're in a position to judge other women
> and call them psychologically damaged or controlled or
> subjugated from your apartment in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

>>>

> Who is judging the women?  I just want them to have all
> the options open to Western women.

Western women are as programmed as anyone else.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> After the move comes the house blessing - I have not done one since my
>> move to the OC in 1995. It was grand - our bishop did the blessing - I had
>> a pianist - this will be fun.
>
>Be sure the priest or bishop is legit.  I remember the scandal in Japan
>a few years ago about some fake monks doing house blessings.

Oh, it will be a priest I know well - probably the Dean of the Cathedral.

Bethany

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Western women are as programmed as anyone else.

We are all <programmed> by our cultures.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> After the move comes the house blessing - I have not done one since my
> move to the OC in 1995. It was grand - our bishop did the blessing - I had
> a pianist - this will be fun.

Be sure the priest or bishop is legit.  I remember the scandal in Japan
a few years ago about some fake monks doing house blessings.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Thursday, August 21, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> Western women are as programmed as anyone else.

> We are all <programmed> by our cultures.

I wasn't arguing with that.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         And you have special knowledge that the rest of us don't?  I
> don't really think you're in a position to judge other women
> and call them psychologically damaged or controlled or
> subjugated from your apartment in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Still, one is influenced by books from real people, like Persepolis:

http://www.randomhouse.com/pantheon/graphicnovels/persepolis.html

Ann

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>
>This reminds me that I've been meaning to ask the url of that place I
>put my Acadiafest pictures.  I can't remember what it was --
>fotosomething, I think.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)



fotopic.net

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- D. M.:
> I think they must be unfamiliar with the term
> "programming."

That's O.K.; if they read _Effective STL_
they'll almost be able to fake it.

--
Rover
"A dog pants to cool off." -Spot

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Rita:
>And you have special knowledge that the rest of us don't?

Maybe she's a Gnostic.

--
Angus
"I'm not wearing pants!"

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In a message dated 8/21/2003 6:19:21 PM Central Daylight Time,
rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU writes:
<<
Rita:
>And you have special knowledge that the rest of us don't?

Maybe she's a Gnostic.

>>

I guess I'm an agnostic; I have learned to doubt religion
and God; I really don't believe that God cares.

Evelyn Duncan
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Natalie:
> Be sure the priest or bishop is legit.  I remember
> the scandal in Japan
> a few years ago about some fake monks doing house blessings.

What the minister lacks the Spirit provides.

--
Allene
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> I guess I'm an agnostic; I have learned to doubt religion
> and God; I really don't believe that God cares.

If you're agnostic, why are you stipulating
that God exists (to not care)?

--
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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Oh, it will be a priest I know well - probably the Dean of the Cathedral.

Will we be invited?  Will a party accompany the blessing?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >> Western women are as programmed as anyone else.
>
> > We are all <programmed> by our cultures.
>
> I wasn't arguing with that.

?  I didn't assume you were.  I thought we were posting <on the same
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Betty Clark wrote:

> fotopic.net

Thanks!  I started to say that I thought "topic" might have been part of
it.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

>  I really don't believe that God cares.

A man said to the universe:
"Sir I exist!"
"However," replied the universe,
"The fact has not created in me
A sense of obligation."
     -- Stephen Crane

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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Will we be invited?  Will a party accompany the blessing?

The ceremony takes a bit of time - we visit each room so that the priest
can blwss each one - there will be singing of hymns at appropriate
times - I will probably hire one musician - perhaps the pianist I used
before - then there will be a bit of food and drink - more of a reception
than a fullblown party. Probably I will invite you to a different
function - I tend to invite to house blessings neighbors and friends for
whom the ceremony has religious significance.

Bethany

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On Thursday, August 21, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> The ceremony takes a bit of time - we visit each room so that the priest
> can blwss each one - there will be singing of hymns at appropriate
> times - I will probably hire one musician - perhaps the pianist I used
> before -

Uh, this place is over 3000 sq ft? And you are using a pianist?

If you *can* hear the piano everywhere in the house well enough to
sing along, I'd think you wouldn't want to live there.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

>  Probably I will invite you to a different
> function - I tend to invite to house blessings neighbors and friends for
> whom the ceremony has religious significance.

And you don't think it has religious significance for me?  Why not?

Maybe the answer is that I don't have much experience with house
blessings.  Nor have I taken dogs to the annual dog blessings.  But my
body was blessed by the Pope in '69.

Re house blessings, have you also had apartments you've moved into
blessed, or do blessings occur only when you are buying the dwelling?
If the latter, why?  Ie, why would one's <financial situation> re the
dwelling be a factor?

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> I have a bunch of pictures I could post if I find somewhere
> convenient to host them.

Maybe this has been posted already but try http://www.fotopic.net.

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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>Uh, this place is over 3000 sq ft? And you are using a pianist?
>
>If you *can* hear the piano everywhere in the house well enough to
>sing along, I'd think you wouldn't want to live there.

?

We will, of course, use the pianist when we are in that portion of the
living room where the piano will be located.

Bethany

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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>And you don't think it has religious significance for me?  Why not?

No - because of comments you have made here over the last several years -
including the fact that you do not worship in community regularly. But
perrhaps I have been misled ...

>Re house blessings, have you also had apartments you've moved into
>blessed,

Yes - as in 1995, when I moved into a loft in the Old City.

 or do  blessings occur only when you are buying the dwelling?
>If the latter, why?  Ie, why would one's <financial situation> re the
>dwelling be a factor?

It is not a factor.

Bethany

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On Thursday, August 21, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>Uh, this place is over 3000 sq ft? And you are using a pianist?
>>
>>If you *can* hear the piano everywhere in the house well enough to
>>sing along, I'd think you wouldn't want to live there.

> ?

> We will, of course, use the pianist when we are in that portion of the
> living room where the piano will be located.

Okay, I must have misread your description.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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>>easily figure out the driving time from Ullapool to Thurso in Scotland.
>
>mapquest.co.uk?
>
>Looks like it's 4 hours, 119.0 miles (191.5km).
>Pete

Thanks.   I figured there must be some kind of map site specific for the UK
or Scotland.


bonnie

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>I guess I'm an agnostic; I have learned to doubt religion
>and God; I really don't believe that God cares.
>Evelyn Duncan

That's a rather strange non-belief.  Why not just believe that there is no
God rather than God exists and doesn't care?


bonnie

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>Maybe the answer is that I don't have much experience with house
>blessings.  Nor have I taken dogs to the annual dog blessings.  But my
>body was blessed by the Pope in '69.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I wouldn't think that blessing is good anymore.  Every cell in your body
has changed since 1969.  Better get it redone to be on the safe side.


bonnie

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And you have special knowledge that the rest of us
don't? I
don't really think you're in a position to judge other
women
and call them psychologically damaged or controlled or
subjugated from your apartment in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

>>

Who is judging the women? I just want them to have all
the options open to Western women.

Can women of one culture have any concept at all  what
it must be like to live in a totally different
culture, or can they even imagine what a woman's role
in that culture is?  I don't want to impose my
standards on women of a different culture, but nor I
want to live as some of them do.



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> > But many of them claim they wear it willingly for reasons of piety
or
> > spirituality, etc.
>
> Something is amiss.  I didn't see Doris's original.

I don't remember what the original was either.
>
> > I think they must be unfamiliar with the term
> > "programming."
> >
> > >>
> > Or "operant conditioning."  Maybe they need to take Psych 101.
>
> As has been discussed before on this <service>, people do indeed view
> the world through their cultural filters.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Yes.  Not only cultural but familial and
national, etc.  I'm too tired to discuss this
with Rita tonight, but I'd just mention that
the  parent who teaches a child what he
should or should not do is the same one who teaches a child what he
"believes."

No matter what country a person grows up in, if he holds exactly to what
he was taught and believes "what he was taught he believes"
without questioning, searching, interpreting, or making decisions from
his own heart and experience, he may or may not be living his
religion.  He may be living someone else's.

I can respect that he is living someone else's.
No problem with that.

                - D. M.

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>
> Oh, it will be a priest I know well - probably the
> Dean of the Cathedral.
>
> Bethany


Is an unblessed house in any more jeopardy than a
"bless" one?

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> Maybe this has been posted already but try http://www.fotopic.net.

And I thank Betty for having provided this url to remind me where my
(and your and her) Acadiafest pictures live.  I went there and grabbed a
couple of me because of a request from a first-cousin, once-removed.
I've never met him, although I knew his mother (my grandmother's
youngest sister) well and knew his youngest brother well when I was a
toddler since he would baby-sit us on the Coast when we were too young
to go to the parties with our parents at the cottonseed conventions.
(We started going to the parties when I was five or six -- I remember
dancing with men when my eyes were level with their knees.)  I later got
to know the middle of those three brothers fairly well.  I might have
mentioned him back when SlugFest was being discussed.  He lives in
Louisville.  Practiced medicine there for many years and is now retired.

Anyway, I sent a report on the Sand Mountain reunion to my uncle and to
these three first cousins, once removed.  And it was really funny that
replies from the two of those three brothers that I in one case have
never seen ftf and in another haven't seen since I was a toddler both
said that they knew I was the person in the pink shorts in the
pictures.  I wasn't.  None of the pictures included me.  I haven't
studied my Stoner book yet to figure out exactly what my relationship to
the person in the pink shorts is.  She's a cousin, but off the top of my
head I can't say what distance -- probably something like fourth, once
removed.

The cousin I've never met asked me to send him a recent picture of me.
He said that the only one he remembered seeing in recent history was the
one of me with the Sumo wrestlers in Japan -- which I think my uncle had
e-mailed to them.  I started digging around and couldn't find any recent
pictures of me in my own possession.  Then I thought of the Acadiafest
pictures.  So I went there, after Betty provided the url, grabbed a
couple, put them online, and sent the url to the cousin.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> Still, one is influenced by books from real people,
> like Persepolis:

There is no escaping this.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >And you don't think it has religious significance for me?  Why not?
>
> No - because of comments you have made here over the last several years -
> including the fact that you do not worship in community regularly. But
> perrhaps I have been misled ...

I don't know about whether you've been misled.  If you mean by "worship
in community" going to church, you're right -- I have been to church
very rarely since the death of my vocal cords many years ago.  We could
get into words discussions here of religion, spirituality, etc., but I
have learned that it is safer to avoid getting into too much talk of
religion on Words-L.  I have been grossly misunderstood in past
discussions of religious topics.  I was even accused of having driven
Richard away from the list because I talked about the flesh of Christ.
Or something like that.  I don't remember much about that thread now.  I
do remember being mystified by it since "flesh" is a word I had heard in
communion services.

Speaking of communion services, I think I can still recite almost every
word from the Episcopal Communion service.  Does that make me more
qualified to join in a house blessing?

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> And you have special knowledge that the rest of us
> don't? I
> don't really think you're in a position to judge other
> women
> and call them psychologically damaged or controlled or
> subjugated from your apartment in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
>
>
>
> Who is judging the women? I just want them to have all
> the options open to Western women.


        Why?  Who says our options are all that great?  What gives
you the right to want anything for them?

> Can women of one culture have any concept at all  what
> it must be like to live in a totally different
> culture, or can they even imagine what a woman's role
> in that culture is?  I don't want to impose my
> standards on women of a different culture, but nor I
> want to live as some of them do.


        Nor I?  What kind of sentence structure is that?

        Yes, you do.  You want them to have the options of a western
woman.  Perhaps they do or don't want those options, but it
is up to them, not you, to make that judgement.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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>
>The cousin I've never met asked me to send him a recent picture of me.
>He said that the only one he remembered seeing in recent history was the
>one of me with the Sumo wrestlers in Japan -- which I think my uncle had
>e-mailed to them.  I started digging around and couldn't find any recent
>pictures of me in my own possession.  Then I thought of the Acadiafest
>pictures.  So I went there, after Betty provided the url, grabbed a
>couple, put them online, and sent the url to the cousin.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Which ones did you take? There were a few good ones of you.

Betty

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> No matter what country a person grows up in, if he
> holds exactly to what
> he was taught and believes "what he was taught he
> believes"
> without questioning, searching, interpreting, or
> making decisions from
> his own heart and experience, he may or may not be
> living his
> religion.  He may be living someone else's.
>
> I can respect that he is living someone else's.
> No problem with that.
>
>                 - D. M.

Well put.


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Doris Markland wrote:

> No matter what country a person grows up in, if he holds exactly to what
> he was taught and believes "what he was taught he believes"
> without questioning, searching, interpreting, or making decisions from
> his own heart and experience, he may or may not be living his
> religion.  He may be living someone else's.
>
> I can respect that he is living someone else's.
> No problem with that.

Milton couldn't (respect that he is living someone else's).  I would
quote from Areopagitica, but I need to go to the bathroom.  I love
Milton's theology.  He makes wonderfully good sense in Areopatica, The
Christian Doctrine, and less directly in PL.  Milton is one of my
heroes, even though he is often accused of being a <male chauvinist
pig>.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >I guess I'm an agnostic; I have learned to doubt religion
> >and God; I really don't believe that God cares.
> >Evelyn Duncan
>
> That's a rather strange non-belief.  Why not just believe that there is no
> God rather than God exists and doesn't care?

Ask the Naturalists.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >Maybe the answer is that I don't have much experience with house
> >blessings.  Nor have I taken dogs to the annual dog blessings.  But my
> >body was blessed by the Pope in '69.
> I wouldn't think that blessing is good anymore.  Every cell in your body
> has changed since 1969.  Better get it redone to be on the safe side.

I've been back to Rome since then but not to the Vatican.  I guess maybe
I should work that into my life in the near future, although I must
admit that I really don't like Rome all that much.  It's one of those
places that I'm very glad I've visited, that I have <appreciated>, but
that I don't feel any strong urge to revisit.

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> Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> > And you have special knowledge that the rest of us
> > don't? I
> > don't really think you're in a position to judge
> other
> > women
> > and call them psychologically damaged or
> controlled or
> > subjugated from your apartment in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
> >
> >
> >
> > Who is judging the women? I just want them to have
> all
> > the options open to Western women.
>
>
>         Why?  Who says our options are all that
> great?  What gives
> you the right to want anything for them?
>
> > Can women of one culture have any concept at all
> what
> > it must be like to live in a totally different
> > culture, or can they even imagine what a woman's
> role
> > in that culture is?  I don't want to impose my
> > standards on women of a different culture, but nor
> I
> > want to live as some of them do.
>
>
>         Nor I?  What kind of sentence structure is
> that?
>
>         Yes, you do.  You want them to have the
> options of a western
> woman.  Perhaps they do or don't want those options,
> but it
> is up to them, not you, to make that judgement.

It is lousy sentence structure when the word "do" is
left out.  If you will read what I wrote, I said "I"
did not want to live as some of them do.  How is that
judging them, or making judgments for them? I may not
wish to live as my next door neighbor does, but I am
not making judgments about her or her life-style.

And it's judgment without an e, and don't put any
"would" curses on me, please.



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Lynne Weber wrote:

> Is an unblessed house in any more jeopardy than a
> "bless" one?

I had been wondering that very same thing.

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    I'm just not convinced of God's interest in real estate

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Tony Harminc wrote:

> On Thursday, August 21, 2003 at 15:18, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        Wow.  It looks relaxing.  I'm tempted!
>>
>
> The place is popular with Americans, both for historical reasons and
> for the current exchange rates. The general comment I've heard many
> times is something like "there are places like this in [State x], but
> there's nothing with all this at anything close to this price."


        Last year we tried a lodge out in mid-Missouri that was
all-inclusive, but it was awful.  The cabin had roaches and
the food sucked.  And I think it wasn't much cheaper than
your lodge.


> The sad part of all this is that there used to be many family owned
> places like this in the area, and the current owner says that he sees
> about one a year close. Mostly they get converted into timeshare
> condos of some sort. The owners are all sitting on multi-millions of
> dollars in land values, and the temptation to cash out must be high.
> The current owner is in his late 50s, and his son (30ish) seems much
> less dedicated to the place, so we'll see... :-(


        Well, I think those kinds of places are a lot of work, too,
and I have to wonder what the profit margin is after paying
taxes, staff wages, upkeep, etc.



--
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These pictures include a couple of the pink-shorted person (whose name
is Carolyn) my two cousins thought was me.  I find it funny since I look
nothing at all like her.  And y'all will also find it funny for the same
reason.  (One of the cousins, the one I've never met, said that she was
the "spitting image" of my mother.  I guess there's a vague resemblance
maybe.)

The other pictures are a few of the general vicinity, including some of
the Wheeler Cemetery, where some of the dead bodies may tie me to my
dissertation director.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > Speaking of communion services, I think I can still recite almost every
> > word from the Episcopal Communion service.  Does that make me more
> > qualified to join in a house blessing?
>
>         A, B, or C?

I don't remember now.  I just remember that when I started singing in
the Episcopal Church Choir that I didn't need to look at the prayer book
to <say the lines> since they were the same lines I'd been saying all my
life in the Methodist Church (a high-church Methodist Church -- I
discovered later in life that there's a wide span in Methodism).  I
might have mentioned before that I was almost born as an Episcopalian.
My parents went to St. Andrews in Jackson regularly while dating and
considered joining it when they got married, but they decided not to
because they didn't like that some people did that for <social>
reasons.  I'm pretty sure I've mentioned this before -- because of the
huge laugh I got out of hearing that many, many years later -- in my
adulthood -- when I was singing in the Episcopal Church choir here and
said something to my mother about how I really liked it and had briefly
thought about joining it but that I didn't want to because I didn't like
that some people did it for <social> reasons -- my mother fell out
laughing and told me the story of her and Daddy's decision for the same
reason many years earlier -- and she and I agreed that it was a silly
reason to eschew joining a denomination.  My mother and I were pretty
eye-to-eye about religious stuff, I think.  Superficially there's a big
difference since she was always a pillar of her church.  But at the gut
level there is very little, if any, difference.  I think I might have
mentioned that not long after I did one of these online surveys that we
talked about on the list and found my score "100% Unitarian
Universalist," my mother told me (and I hadn't said anything at all
about the Unitarian church) that she had been reading a magazine article
about Unitarians and had realized that she shared their views totally.

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Betty wrote:

> Which ones did you take? There were a few good ones of you.

Can't remember but will look and find the answer tomorrow.  Am fading
now after a long, complicated day -- and just noticed that the clock
says 9:30.  I'm folding.  (My memory is that one of them was Natalie at
the Internet Cafe and the other Geddys2 or Geddys3.  I can't even
remember now whether they were yours or Adam's.)

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Natalie Maynor wrote:


> Speaking of communion services, I think I can still recite almost every
> word from the Episcopal Communion service.  Does that make me more
> qualified to join in a house blessing?


        A, B, or C?



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>
>Which ones did you take? There were a few good ones of you.
>
>Betty

Do you want to send them the jumper ones?

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Lynne Weber writes,

>What really bugs me is, that deep down, I've found I've come to think that
>we only exist for his amusement

I've come to think that it's up to us to make the meaning of the universe.

Some people make nicer meanings than others.

Pete

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Betty wrote:

> Do you want to send them the jumper ones?

I laughed at that possibility.  I wasn't sending them to all of the
people, just to one of the cousins, the one I've never met ftf.  And
he's the one most likely to freak at the jumper ones.  He's something of
a religious nut.  He's a retired engineer who spends all his time
praying.  The two younger brothers are quite different from him, I
think.  The middle brother, the one I've known through the years, is a
super-good person -- somebody who is genuinely good and caring, who has
a great sense of humor, and who isn't judgmental.  The youngest is the
one who baby-sat us and whom I have not seen since the '40s, but I think
he's an ok person.  He has lived for many years now on a sheep ranch in
California.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Thursday, August 21, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> And it's judgment without an e

Nope. The 'e' became optional a few years ago.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Theo Groothof wrote:
> >Most travel/vacation time goes to visiting my mother, who's - my god! -
> >92.
> It's hard to imagine, even for me; but then,I'm not even 80 yet :-) Is she
> still in good health? I think that's more important than anything. Being able to
> take care of yourself, and not having to depend on others for everything,
> counts for a lot; at least imo.
> Does she live in her own home? Wish I could meet her, but...

Answering your questions:  She's still in pretty good health.  She has
chosen a sedentary life and so is now necessarily very sedentary (though I
think she could still train herself) and she takes care of herself with
only cleaning help from the retirement village she lives in.  She lives by
herself in her own unit.

I think she is depressed a lot of the time though not all of the time, and
she would deny (has denied) that she is depressed.  What piques me is that
I saw her, after she left the rehab place after her stroke a couple of
years ago, stop exercising, and thereby losing a lot of mobility.  That
drives me crazy, seeing what she COULD do if she tried!  But that's about
me (my favorite topic).

So, at 92, she's in an enviable position.  Also a non-enviable position,
related now only to me, way across the country, with friends mostly dead,
living alone WITHOUT A COMPUTER.  (that's my little joke, she could have
one if she wanted)

Ann

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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, bonniev wrote:

> That's a rather strange non-belief.  Why not just believe that there is no
> God rather than God exists and doesn't care?

Why is it so strange?  I don't see the strangeness.  I mean, the idea of
'God' already is kind of strange, why should he give a xxxx?

Ann

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> The other pictures are a few of the general
> vicinity, including some of
> the Wheeler Cemetery, where some of the dead bodies
> may tie me to my
> dissertation director.


Every cemetery should be required to have a
Wheeler-type sign pointing to the dead people.

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--- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> On Thursday, August 21, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > And it's judgment without an e
>
> Nope. The 'e' became optional a few years ago.
>
> Karen
> "Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

It shouldn't have done.

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> Why is it so strange?  I don't see the strangeness.
> I mean, the idea of
> 'God' already is kind of strange, why should he give
> a xxxx?

What really bugs me is, that deep down, I've found
I've come to think that we only exist for his
amusement (if he's there at all), and that kind of
riles me.

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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

> What really bugs me is, that deep down, I've found
> I've come to think that we only exist for his
> amusement (if he's there at all), and that kind of
> riles me.

I haven't heard the word 'riles' in a very long time.

I forget where you live, Lynne - which state?

I like the word 'rile' and intend to use it at first opportunity.

Ann

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>
> I haven't heard the word 'riles' in a very long
> time.
>
> I forget where you live, Lynne - which state?
>
> I like the word 'rile' and intend to use it at first
> opportunity.
>
> Ann

Alabama, by way (many years ago) of PA.


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Lynne Weber writes,

>It shouldn't have done.

A prescriptivist. :)

Pete

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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>Is an unblessed house in any more jeopardy than a
>"bless" one?

I don't know. But I know which I prefer to live in.

Bethany

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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Speaking of communion services, I think I can still recite almost every
>word from the Episcopal Communion service.  Does that make me more
>qualified to join in a house blessing?

I don't know - the house blessing service does not usually involve the
Eucharist.

Why exactly would you want to "join in a house blessing"?

Bethany

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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>    at risk again of riling and being interpreted as anti-God, which I
>am not --
>    I'm just not convinced of God's interest in real estate

Try "community."

Bethany

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Of course, before we get to A B C (and D), we must know whether we are
talking about Rite One or Rite Two. For Rite One, one may use Eucharistic
Prayer I or II. For Rite Two, one may use Eucharistic Prayer A or B or C
("Star wars") or D.

Bethany

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Tusen takk
Efcharisto poli

Espen

14:00 20.08.2003 -0400 skrev Paul Barfoot:
>spasibo bol'shoi
>
>BrP
>
>
>
>
>>>> kaminski@ISTORI.COM 08/20/03 01:40PM >>>
>Ann Borkin writes,
>
>>"many thanks" is so affected.
>
>Just to understand better, what about similar phrases when spoken in their
>native language?
>
>mille grazie
>muchas gracias
>merci beaucoup
>vielen dank
>
>Pete

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14:53 20.08.2003 -0500 skrev Karen Kay:
>On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
>> first one in America was held October 1621 by Plymouth Colony
>
>So why do we celebrate in November?

Change to Georgian calendar (just as the October revolution used to be celebrated on November 7 in the SSSR)?

Espen

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Bethany K. Dumas:
= On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
=
= >And you don't think it has religious significance for me?  Why not?
=
= No - because of comments you have made here over the last several years -
= including the fact that you do not worship in community regularly. But
= perrhaps I have been misled ...
=

Whaaaa?  Like people shouldn't go to church weddings if they do
not worship in community regularly?  Or people should only go to
church weddings of the church they are member of?

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> And it's judgment without an e, and don't put any

The British spelling (with the e) is also considered ok now.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Last year we tried a lodge out in mid-Missouri that was
> all-inclusive, but it was awful.  The cabin had roaches and
> the food sucked.

A lunch friend told a funny tale yesterday about his daughter's
unpleasant stay in what was supposed to be a wonderful resort in Bocas,
Panama -- quite a buggy place.

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> > Nope. The 'e' became optional a few years ago.
>
> It shouldn't have done.

Actually, it fits the spelling rules better with the e than without.
(But I still spell it the old e-less way -- the way we were taught years
ago was the only acceptable way.)

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> I haven't heard the word 'riles' in a very long time.

I find this quite strange.

> I like the word 'rile' and intend to use it at first opportunity.

I use it often.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Why exactly would you want to "join in a house blessing"?

I like parties.

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Betty wrote:

> Which ones did you take? There were a few good ones of you.

These two -- one of which I cropped from a group at the Geddys table,
not because I didn't think he would want to see my friends but because I
wanted it to be smaller for quicker loading:

http://www.maynor.net/Temp/acadia.jpg
http://www.maynor.net/Temp/acadia2.jpg

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> What really bugs me is, that deep down, I've found
> I've come to think that we only exist for his
> amusement (if he's there at all), and that kind of
> riles me.

"Like flies to wanton boys, are we to the gods, they kill us for their
sport"

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Bethany K. Dumas:
= On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
=
= >Speaking of communion services, I think I can still recite almost every
= >word from the Episcopal Communion service.  Does that make me more
= >qualified to join in a house blessing?
=
= I don't know - the house blessing service does not usually involve the
= Eucharist.
=
= Why exactly would you want to "join in a house blessing"?
=
= Bethany

For me, if someone on words-l who didn't live too far away was
having a house blessing, then I would probably feel a bit left
out if she told me I wasn't invited because I don't go to church.
It's just a housewarming party with religeous trappings.  Are you
going to have a secular housewarming party too?

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Why exactly would you want to "join in a house blessing"?
>
>I like parties.

Wrong reason. You are not qualified.

Bethany

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07:11 22.08.2003 -0400 skrev Bethany K. Dumas:
>On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>>> Why exactly would you want to "join in a house blessing"?
>>
>>I like parties.
>
>Wrong reason. You are not qualified.

I often enjoy religious rituals. Do I qualify?

Espen

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, steph wrote:

>For me, if someone on words-l who didn't live too far away was
>having a house blessing, then I would probably feel a bit left
>out if she told me I wasn't invited because I don't go to church.
>It's just a housewarming party with religeous trappings.  Are you
>going to have a secular housewarming party too?

The reason Natalie is not invited is not that she does not "go to church."
It's that the event would have no meaning for her and that, so far as I
know, she could not join In the community prayers that are the chief
reason for the event. She would be an onlooker, not a participant.

And yes - I will also have a housewarming - probably more than one. You
are all invited!

Bethany

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> > That's a rather strange non-belief.  Why not just believe that there is no
> > God rather than God exists and doesn't care?
>
>Why is it so strange?  I don't see the strangeness.  I mean, the idea of
>'god' already is kind of strange, why should he give a xxxx?
>Ann

It's a strange belief because, in the Judeo-Christian definition, part of
the very concept of 'god' is that he cares.  He's supposed to be
all-knowing, all-powerful, all-loving.  The tradition tells us he created
us, intervened numerous times to save or teach or admonish us, and is
involved with our lives.  It simply follows that he cares about us.  For a
Western woman to make one bald statement that she doesn't think God cares,
without a further explanation that she also believes in some alternative
notion of 'god', is a strange thing to say.


bonnie

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> > I forget where you live, Lynne - which state?
> > Ann
>
>Alabama, by way (many years ago) of PA. --Lynne

I don't think we've been  properly introduced, Lynne.  But never mind
that.  How do you like living in the deep South vs. PA?

It's never too late to come on home to the North country.   I lived in
Wisconsin for my first 24 years.  Then Tennessee for the next 26
years.  (One year in Muscle Shoals, Alabama between WI and TN.)  Now I live
in Maine and will never leave.  I wonder if I'll get 25 years up here.


bonnie

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Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> Of course, before we get to A B C (and D), we must know whether we are
> talking about Rite One or Rite Two. For Rite One, one may use Eucharistic
> Prayer I or II. For Rite Two, one may use Eucharistic Prayer A or B or C
> ("Star wars") or D.


        My priest uses 'em all.  I think he gets bored.




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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Espen Ore wrote:

>I often enjoy religious rituals. Do I qualify?

For the housewarmings, yes - for the blessing, no. No onlookers.

Bethany

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        Oh, it's extremely close to both the Catholic and Lutheran
liturgies, too (and probably others I haven't attended).

        Does anybody join church for social reasons anymore?  I can
think of one congregation around here where I think that is
true (Kurt Warner's -- the membership is huge -- it is *the*
church to belong to in South County), but otherwise I think
that habit is fading.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>>Speaking of communion services, I think I can still recite almost every
>>>word from the Episcopal Communion service.  Does that make me more
>>>qualified to join in a house blessing?
>>>
>>        A, B, or C?
>>
>
> I don't remember now.  I just remember that when I started singing in
> the Episcopal Church Choir that I didn't need to look at the prayer book
> to <say the lines> since they were the same lines I'd been saying all my
> life in the Methodist Church (a high-church Methodist Church -- I
> discovered later in life that there's a wide span in Methodism).  I
> might have mentioned before that I was almost born as an Episcopalian.
> My parents went to St. Andrews in Jackson regularly while dating and
> considered joining it when they got married, but they decided not to
> because they didn't like that some people did that for <social>
> reasons.  I'm pretty sure I've mentioned this before -- because of the
> huge laugh I got out of hearing that many, many years later -- in my
> adulthood -- when I was singing in the Episcopal Church choir here and
> said something to my mother about how I really liked it and had briefly
> thought about joining it but that I didn't want to because I didn't like
> that some people did it for <social> reasons -- my mother fell out
> laughing and told me the story of her and Daddy's decision for the same
> reason many years earlier -- and she and I agreed that it was a silly
> reason to eschew joining a denomination.  My mother and I were pretty
> eye-to-eye about religious stuff, I think.  Superficially there's a big
> difference since she was always a pillar of her church.  But at the gut
> level there is very little, if any, difference.  I think I might have
> mentioned that not long after I did one of these online surveys that we
> talked about on the list and found my score "100% Unitarian
> Universalist," my mother told me (and I hadn't said anything at all
> about the Unitarian church) that she had been reading a magazine article
> about Unitarians and had realized that she shared their views totally.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>


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If I ever host an Episcopal house blessing, which I think is
a nice custom fwiw, you all can come.  We never did it for
this house.




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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rita Chapman" <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
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> If I ever host an Episcopal house blessing, which I think is
> a nice custom fwiw, you all can come.  We never did it for
> this house.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman

My Hawaiian building was blessed by
the Kahuna.

           - D. M.

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--- Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> wrote:
> Lynne Weber writes,
>
> >What really bugs me is, that deep down, I've found
> I've come to think that
> >we only exist for his amusement
>
> I've come to think that it's up to us to make the
> meaning of the universe.
>
> Some people make nicer meanings than others.
>
> Pete

Yes.  Just as an individual's concept of heaven is
specific to that individual; and I've often thought
that if each pious individual were content with
his/her church, there would be as many churches as
there are people.

BTW, I guess I am a prescriptivist, and you've shown
me a new meaning, as well.


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On Thursday, August 21, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> --- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
>> On Thursday, August 21, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> > And it's judgment without an e
>>
>> Nope. The 'e' became optional a few years ago.
>>
>> Karen
>> "Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

> It shouldn't have done.

That's your opinion. I thought you believed in dictionaries. If the
dictionaries use both, who are you to disagree?

Karen
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On Thursday, August 21, 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> I've come to think that it's up to us to make the meaning of the universe.

> Some people make nicer meanings than others.

So, so true.

Karen
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>without questioning, searching, interpreting, or
>making decisions from his own heart and experience

Is such a thing even possible?

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> My Hawaiian building was blessed by
> the Kahuna.

'the'?

Karen

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> Yes.  Just as an individual's concept of heaven is
> specific to that individual; and I've often thought
> that if each pious individual were content with
> his/her church, there would be as many churches as
> there are people.

Nah. Some people attend churches that allow for a lot of personal
interpretation.

Karen
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> > > Nope. The 'e' became optional a few years ago.
> >
> > It shouldn't have done.
>
> Actually, it fits the spelling rules better with the
> e than without.
> (But I still spell it the old e-less way -- the way
> we were taught years
> ago was the only acceptable way.)

Who made the decision, and on what date did it become
effective?
>

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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Thursday, August 21, 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
>>I've come to think that it's up to us to make the meaning of the universe.
>>
>
>>Some people make nicer meanings than others.
>>
>
> So, so true.


        A Rorcharch of sorts?




--
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> On Friday, August 22, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> > My Hawaiian building was blessed by
> > the Kahuna.
>
> 'the'?
>
> Karen

"a"

- D. M.

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> On Thursday, August 21, 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>>
>>>I've come to think that it's up to us to make the meaning of the universe.
>>>
>>
>>>Some people make nicer meanings than others.
>>>
>>
>> So, so true.


>         A Rorcharch of sorts?

Rorschach

And yes, I think that's true.

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>> On Friday, August 22, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>> > My Hawaiian building was blessed by
>> > the Kahuna.
>>
>> 'the'?
>>
>> Karen

> "a"

Just checking. I wondered if there were one for the condo, or
something.

Karen
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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, steph wrote:

>>Whaaaa?  Like people shouldn't go to church weddings if they do
>>not worship in community regularly?  Or people should only go to
>>church weddings of the church they are member of?

> Who said that? Not me.

What makes you think that Natalie and Espen would be onlookers instead
of participants?

Karen
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, steph wrote:

>Whaaaa?  Like people shouldn't go to church weddings if they do
>not worship in community regularly?  Or people should only go to
>church weddings of the church they are member of?

Who said that? Not me.

Bethany

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Espen Ore wrote:
> 14:53 20.08.2003 -0500 skrev Karen Kay:
>>On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
>>> first one in America was held October 1621 by Plymouth Colony
>>
>>So why do we celebrate in November?

> Change to Georgian calendar (just as the October revolution used to
> be celebrated on November 7 in the SSSR)?

Ooh, good answer. I shall believe this, whether it's true or not.

Karen
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>What makes you think that Natalie and Espen would be onlookers instead
>of participants?

Their language - Espen said that he likes to observe religious events and
Natalie said that she wanted to come because she likes parties - there are
plenty of those around.

Both - and you - are welcome at parties chez moi, including the house
warming, which is really a secular house blessing. And Rita wll invite you
to her house blessing. I choose to invite only participants to my house
blessing. It's partly a matter of space. 3100 sq. ft. is large, but it
ain't Neyland Stadium. Only so many people will fit into each room. I want
participants, not onlookers.

Bethany

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>>What makes you think that Natalie and Espen would be onlookers instead
>>of participants?

> Their language - Espen said that he likes to observe religious events

No, he didn't. This is your interpretation of what he said. He said,
"I often enjoy religious rituals." I believe that this is true. Does
enjoying religious rituals preclude participating in them?

> and Natalie said that she wanted to come because she likes parties -
> there are plenty of those around.

Natalie is toying with you. She would be a participant, because that's
her way.

> Both - and you - are welcome at parties chez moi, including the house
> warming, which is really a secular house blessing.

No, thanks.

> I choose to invite only participants to my house blessing. It's
> partly a matter of space. 3100 sq. ft. is large, but it ain't
> Neyland Stadium. Only so many people will fit into each room. I want
> participants, not onlookers.

It's certainly your prerogative to decide which is which.

Karen

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

>> Of course, before we get to A B C (and D), we must know whether we are
>> talking about Rite One or Rite Two. For Rite One, one may use Eucharistic
>> Prayer I or II. For Rite Two, one may use Eucharistic Prayer A or B or C
>> ("Star wars") or D.
>
>
>        My priest uses 'em all.  I think he gets bored.

We vary seasonally - and different priests like different ones.

Bethany

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Natalie:
>do remember being mystified by it since "flesh"
>is a word I had heard in communion services.

Sigh.  One more time.

It was your moronic prattling about
refrigerating the consecrated host,
since meat spoils much faster than
bread.

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, steph wrote:

> For me, if someone on words-l who didn't live too far away was
> having a house blessing, then I would probably feel a bit left
> out if she told me I wasn't invited because I don't go to church.
> It's just a housewarming party with religeous trappings.  Are you

Maybe it's a religious ceremony in housewarming trappings.

Ann

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> >without questioning, searching, interpreting, or
> >making decisions from his own heart and experience
>
> Is such a thing even possible?
>

You're kidding.  Right?

If not, you think you must have someone to
tell you what to do and what to believe
after you've become an adult?
That your early teachings were not meant
to put you personally in touch with <your
highest source> but merely to keep you in
touch with the ones who are in touch with
<their highest source> ?

Not meaning to be personal or to be
sarcastic here.  Just asking sincerely, out of
curiosity.

                    - D. M.


                 - D. M.

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> > Change to Georgian calendar (just as the October revolution used to
> Ooh, good answer. I shall believe this, whether it's true or not.

But that'd account for only 11 days, right?

The simplest answer is that we do it in
November because that's when Abraham
Lincoln said we should.

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, hominy cricket wrote:
>> > Change to Georgian calendar (just as the October revolution used to
>> Ooh, good answer. I shall believe this, whether it's true or not.

> But that'd account for only 11 days, right?

> The simplest answer is that we do it in
> November because that's when Abraham
> Lincoln said we should.

I've already made up my mind, sorry.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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02003-08-21 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Thursday, August 21, 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> > Tushar Samant writes,
>
> >>This has the same effect in me as "many thanks" ...
>
> > I think I know where you're coming from.
>
> How dare you!

If you can't see how, I am very worried about your imagination.

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-08-20 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > Do I have to?  Can I spend my time on e-mail instead of knitting?
> > Shouldn't old age be a time of choosing what one wants to do, situation
> > willing?
> >
> > Then again, there are some things that I didn't like in younger years
> > and now like -- foods, activities, etc.  So I guess the "try again"
> > would be appropriate.  But if I still hated it, surely I would have the
> > right to say "SCREW THIS!"
>
> What's an activity?

Oh, like bingo, belly-dancing, Burning Man - and those are just some of
the 'b's !

Ann

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Healing Labs wrote:
> Chickweed Healing Salve

I have so much chickweed growing in the front bed, I am tempted to try
this myself.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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For those who haven't deleted this already as spam, here's what chickweed
is.  I had to look it up because it's been a long time since I've looked
at a midwestern lawn . . .

http://www.wildmanstevebrill.com/Plants.Folder/Chickweed.html

Ann

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Natalie:
> Ask the Naturalists.

I was going to suggest the term "deism".

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Rita:
> the food sucked.

"And big portions, too!"

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line, I understand.  Thank you, have a Spectacular day!

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>>>without questioning, searching, interpreting, or
>>>making decisions from his own heart and experience
>> Is such a thing even possible?
> You're kidding.  Right?

Huh?

You're claming that there are people
out there running around who've never
questioned, searched, interpreted, or
made a decision on their own.

I'd like to see one of these beings.

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02003-08-20 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Do I have to?  Can I spend my time on e-mail instead of knitting?
> Shouldn't old age be a time of choosing what one wants to do, situation
> willing?
>
> Then again, there are some things that I didn't like in younger years
> and now like -- foods, activities, etc.  So I guess the "try again"
> would be appropriate.  But if I still hated it, surely I would have the
> right to say "SCREW THIS!"

What's an activity?

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> For those who haven't deleted this already as spam, here's what chickweed
> is.  I had to look it up because it's been a long time since I've looked
> at a midwestern lawn . . .

Not just midwestern.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Lynne Weber writes,

>>Who made the decision, and on what date did it become effective?

> A hard-core prescriptivist!

> ;-)

Indeed.:)

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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> > You're claming that there are people
> > out there running around who've never
> > questioned, searched, interpreted, or
> > made a decision on their own.
> Ah.  No.  People who have never done the
> above as it pertains to their <religion>.

So you're claming that there are people
out there running around who've never
questioned, searched, interpreted, or
made a decision on their own as it
pertains to their religion.

I'd like to see one of these beings.

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On Thursday, August 21, 2003 at 17:33, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> > outages since the big one, and I'm still feeling tanned and rested
> > from my vacation.
>
> Where did you go?  Back to that area in northern(?) Ontario?

Curious terminology: we were what we call "up north", but we
certainly wouldn't call it "northern Ontario", which would be quite a
bit further north. The phrase "up north" in this context generally
means around 100 miles north of Toronto. "The north" is yet much
further - the arctic, or at least close to it. But that's not
"cottage country" (nor is it Ontario).

Tony H.

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On Thursday, August 21, 2003 at 21:13, bonniev wrote:

> >>easily figure out the driving time from Ullapool to Thurso in Scotland.
> >
> >mapquest.co.uk?
> >
> >Looks like it's 4 hours, 119.0 miles (191.5km).
> >Pete
>
> Thanks.   I figured there must be some kind of map site specific for the UK
> or Scotland.

http://www.theaa.com/travelwatch/planner_main.jsp says

Total Distance:         122.0 mile
Total Time:         3 hr 09 min

Tony H.

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--- Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
> I used to be very scared of these women as a kid,
> when I saw them
> near the station. Even the "eye slit" was covered
> with a net.
>
> Later, as I realized they were generally acting
> normal, I wondered
> how on earth they could.
>
> Much later, when I learned several baseline
> metaphors of psychobabble,
> I realized they had been programmed to feel normal.
> I could understand
> where they were coming from, and that they had
> evolved their own
> chemistry. With that, I felt closure.
>
> The logical thing to do next was intense
> self-searching. I was relieved
> to find, after exhaustive analysis, that my personal
> values were the
> finest in the world, and I didn't need to change.
>
> I could summarize these values by saying that
> T-shirts and jeans strike
> the optimal balance between wearing veils and going
> about naked. And the
> day will come when "naturists" and Jain monks etc
> will revolt against
> the tyranny, and throw on some clothes and parade
> through the streets.

For your metaphysical musings, many thanks.


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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>If secular friends are excluded, how blessed can YOU
>be in your house?

Are you suggesting that I should invite all my friends, even those for
whom the event will have little or no meaning - and even if we will not
all fit inside? That's crazy! I will of course invite first those for whom
the event will have some meaning, friends who will fully participate in
the event.

Some of you prefer secularity - a housewarming is a secular house
blessing. Sounds like a match to me.

Bethany

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

>        Sometimes, people have inner lives that you would never dream of.

I am grateful for that. And perhaps in time, they will even share those
inner secrets. Then we will know about them and can factor them in.

Bethany

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> And the
> day will come when "naturists" and Jain monks etc will revolt against
> the tyranny, and throw on some clothes and parade through the streets.

I wonder if I will be alive on this day.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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Close your mouth!

At 05:36 AM 8/22/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > Which ones did you take? There were a few good ones of you.
>
>These two -- one of which I cropped from a group at the Geddys table,
>not because I didn't think he would want to see my friends but because I
>wanted it to be smaller for quicker loading:
>
>http://www.maynor.net/Temp/acadia.jpg
>http://www.maynor.net/Temp/acadia2.jpg
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> >>>without questioning, searching, interpreting, or
> >>>making decisions from his own heart and experience
> >> Is such a thing even possible?
> > You're kidding.  Right?
>
> Huh?
>
> You're claming that there are people
> out there running around who've never
> questioned, searched, interpreted, or
> made a decision on their own.


Ah.  No.  People who have never done the
above as it pertains to their <religion>.

           - D. M.
>
> I'd like to see one of these beings.
>

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I used to be very scared of these women as a kid, when I saw them
near the station. Even the "eye slit" was covered with a net.

Later, as I realized they were generally acting normal, I wondered
how on earth they could.

Much later, when I learned several baseline metaphors of psychobabble,
I realized they had been programmed to feel normal. I could understand
where they were coming from, and that they had evolved their own
chemistry. With that, I felt closure.

The logical thing to do next was intense self-searching. I was relieved
to find, after exhaustive analysis, that my personal values were the
finest in the world, and I didn't need to change.

I could summarize these values by saying that T-shirts and jeans strike
the optimal balance between wearing veils and going about naked. And the
day will come when "naturists" and Jain monks etc will revolt against
the tyranny, and throw on some clothes and parade through the streets.

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Lynne Weber writes,

>Who made the decision, and on what date did it become effective?

A hard-core prescriptivist!

;-)

Pete

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Tushar:
> I could summarize these values by saying that T-shirts and jeans
strike
> the optimal balance between wearing veils and going about naked. And
the
> day will come when "naturists" and Jain monks etc will revolt against
> the tyranny, and throw on some clothes and parade through the streets.
>

Tush, your insights are invaluable.
Have you ever thought of setting
up an ashram?

         - D. M.

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> I don't think we've been  properly introduced,
> Lynne.  But never mind
> that.  How do you like living in the deep South vs.
> PA?
>
> It's never too late to come on home to the North
> country.   I lived in
> Wisconsin for my first 24 years.  Then Tennessee for
> the next 26
> years.  (One year in Muscle Shoals, Alabama between
> WI and TN.)  Now I live
> in Maine and will never leave.  I wonder if I'll get
> 25 years up here.

The fact that I came to Alabama at a relatively early
age (18) is, of course, a huge factor in my perception
of both worlds, and they are two different worlds.
When I visit PA now, I am appalled by the frenetic
pace of things - not just traffic and speech, but life
in general.  I realize this is not peculiar to the
North, but it is to large cities.  Birmingham is quite
as bad, and, to a lesser extent, so are Montgomery and
Mobile.

I have become acclimated to the heat, which I love,
because I am an avid swimmer.  I do not like winter,
especially the daylight deprivation, but also, the
cold is almost physically painful.

There are still things that I miss about the North
Country, but were I to move back permanently, I feel I
would miss more things about the South.
>
> bonnie


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On Friday, August 22, 2003, John Williams wrote:
>> Ooh, good answer. I shall believe this, whether it's true or not.

>      Its not.

I don't care.

Karen
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--- "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU>
wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Espen Ore wrote:
>
> >I often enjoy religious rituals. Do I qualify?
>
> For the housewarmings, yes - for the blessing, no.
> No onlookers.
>
> Bethany

If secular friends are excluded, how blessed can YOU
be in your house?


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> > 14:53 20.08.2003 -0500 skrev Karen Kay:
> >>On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> >>> first one in America was held October 1621 by Plymouth Colony
> >>
> >>So why do we celebrate in November?

     The moveable feast was fixed by FDR during the Depression at the
urging of the business community.

>
> > Change to Georgian calendar (just as the October revolution used to
> > be celebrated on November 7 in the SSSR)?
>
> Ooh, good answer. I shall believe this, whether it's true or not.

     Its not.  We were on the Georgian calendar before the founding of
this country.
     FTR, I'm with James Likeks that we need <something> between Back
To School and Halloween...

JMW

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>
> So you're claming that there are people
> out there running around who've never
> questioned, searched, interpreted, or
> made a decision on their own as it
> pertains to their religion.
>
> I'd like to see one of these beings.

I think you see them every day.  I'd say
a large number never think of religion, period.
Another large number are members of a religion but don't actually
participate either in
public services or in their private inner life.
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and because they
were taught they should, but it doesn't really mean much to them.  etc.
etc.  Do many of these people wonder or seek or question?
I doubt it.  Anyway, that's the way it looks
to me.  Neither good nor bad, just is.

                     - D. M.

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--- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> On Friday, August 22, 2003, Healing Labs wrote:
> > Chickweed Healing Salve
>
> I have so much chickweed growing in the front bed, I
> am tempted to try
> this myself.

Perhaps it could be ignited at a house warming.

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>> So you're claming that there are people
>> out there running around who've never
>> questioned, searched, interpreted, or
>> made a decision on their own as it
>> pertains to their religion.
>>
>> I'd like to see one of these beings.

> I think you see them every day.  I'd say
> a large number never think of religion, period.

Is this possible in a theocracy?

> Another large number are members of a religion but don't actually
> participate either in
> public services or in their private inner life.

But that doesn't mean they've never thought about their religion.

> Another large number are members and attend public services out of habit
> and because they
> were taught they should, but it doesn't really mean much to them.  etc.
> etc.  Do many of these people wonder or seek or question?
> I doubt it.  Anyway, that's the way it looks
> to me.  Neither good nor bad, just is.

Cultural filters are everything, aren't they?

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> We're moving on here from "many thanks" to [retch] "thanks much."

Are some of these people from the midwest? I don't think you should be
too harsh.

Karen
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We're moving on here from "many thanks" to [retch] "thanks much."

Ann

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> Are you suggesting that I should invite all my friends, even those for
> whom the event will have little or no meaning -

How can you predict what meaning the event will have for them?
Sometimes what affects us most is unanticipated.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> On Friday, August 22, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>>
>>>Are you suggesting that I should invite all my friends, even those for
>>>whom the event will have little or no meaning -
>>>
>>
>> How can you predict what meaning the event will have for them?
>> Sometimes what affects us most is unanticipated.


>         Sometimes, people have inner lives that you would never dream of.

Yup--even the people you thought you knew.

Karen
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----- Original Message -----
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> We're moving on here from "many thanks" to [retch] "thanks much."
>
> Ann

I've already moved on to "much obliged."

           - D. M.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Friday, August 22, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>
>>Are you suggesting that I should invite all my friends, even those for
>>whom the event will have little or no meaning -
>>
>
> How can you predict what meaning the event will have for them?
> Sometimes what affects us most is unanticipated.


        Sometimes, people have inner lives that you would never dream of.




--
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>http://www.theaa.com/travelwatch/planner_main.jsp says
>
>Total Distance:         122.0 mile
>Total Time:         3 hr 09 min
>
>Tony H.

Thanks, Tony.


bonnie

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Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>       Sometimes, people have inner lives that you would never dream of.
>>
>
> I am grateful for that. And perhaps in time, they will even share those
> inner secrets. Then we will know about them and can factor them in.


        It's none of your business.




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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

>> I am grateful for that. And perhaps in time, they will even share those
>> inner secrets. Then we will know about them and can factor them in.
>
>
>        It's none of your business.

Then do not expect it to be factored in to invitations.

Bethany

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

> "Thank you much" has been thriving here for many a
> moon.

as has "many a moon," I expect.

Ann

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02003-08-22 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> Tush, your insights are invaluable.
> Have you ever thought of setting
> up an ashram?

I was just about to ask you that.

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That I have just been "Thanks so much"ed on the phone.

Karen

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--- Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> wrote:
> We're moving on here from "many thanks" to [retch]
> "thanks much."
>
> Ann

"Thank you much" has been thriving here for many a
moon.


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--- Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> > "Thank you much" has been thriving here for many a
> > moon.
>
> as has "many a moon," I expect.
>
> Ann

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This is quite reasonable, I think.  By extension, you should avoid too much
talk of nearly any subject on words-l.

>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
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>
>get into words discussions here of religion, spirituality, etc., but I
>have learned that it is safer to avoid getting into too much talk of
>religion on Words-L.  I have been grossly misunderstood in past
>discussions of religious topics. >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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A wedding, even a church wedding, has a civil and legal component.  A "house
blessing" falls into a completely different realm of activity.

>Bethany K. Dumas:
>= On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>=
>= >And you don't think it has religious significance for me?  Why not?
>=
>= No - because of comments you have made here over the last several years -
>= including the fact that you do not worship in community regularly. But
>= perrhaps I have been misled ...
>=
>
>Whaaaa?  Like people shouldn't go to church weddings if they do
>not worship in community regularly?  Or people should only go to
>church weddings of the church they are member of?

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Whoa, back up the horse here. How do you know that "an individual's concept
of heaven is specific to that individual"?  Don't you think, my bruised
avocado, that this would be very difficult to "know"?

>Yes.  Just as an individual's concept of heaven is
>specific to that individual; and I've often thought
>that if each pious individual were content with
>his/her church, there would be as many churches as
>there are people.
>
>BTW, I guess I am a prescriptivist, and you've shown
>me a new meaning, as well.
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At 11:33 AM 8/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >> On Friday, August 22, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> >>
> >>>Are you suggesting that I should invite all my friends, even those for
> >>>whom the event will have little or no meaning -
> >>>
> >>
> >> How can you predict what meaning the event will have for them?
> >> Sometimes what affects us most is unanticipated.
>
>
> >         Sometimes, people have inner lives that you would never dream of.
>
>Yup--even the people you thought you knew.


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Damn, you're good, my slightly corked chardonnay!


>From: bonniev <bonniev@GWI.NET>
>>
>It's a strange belief because, in the Judeo-Christian definition, part of
>the very concept of 'god' is that he cares.  He's supposed to be
>all-knowing, all-powerful, all-loving.  The tradition tells us he created
>us, intervened numerous times to save or teach or admonish us, and is
>involved with our lives.  It simply follows that he cares about us.  For a
>Western woman to make one bald statement that she doesn't think God cares,
>without a further explanation that she also believes in some alternative
>notion of 'god', is a strange thing to say.
>
>
>bonnie

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:

>A wedding, even a church wedding, has a civil and legal component.  A "house
>blessing" falls into a completely different realm of activity.

You are very wise.

Bethany

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Nonsense, Karen.  You're advancing a very implausible interpretation of
Espen's statement.  As for Natalie, I don't doubt that Natalie would observe
all the appropriate etiquette.  She's a southern lady, after all.  But
Bethany has every reason to make her decision based on known contextual
information.  What's more, anticipating the next thrust, in the etiquette of
words-l, Bethany should be able to say, "I'm having a house blessing"
without having to invite everybody who has a mild interest in observing it
and eating pimento cheese.


>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 08:52:42 -0500
>
>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> > On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>What makes you think that Natalie and Espen would be onlookers instead
> >>of participants?
>
> > Their language - Espen said that he likes to observe religious events
>
>No, he didn't. This is your interpretation of what he said. He said,
>"I often enjoy religious rituals." I believe that this is true. Does
>enjoying religious rituals preclude participating in them?
>
> > and Natalie said that she wanted to come because she likes parties -
> > there are plenty of those around.
>
>Natalie is toying with you. She would be a participant, because that's
>her way.
>
> > Both - and you - are welcome at parties chez moi, including the house
> > warming, which is really a secular house blessing.
>
>No, thanks.
>
> > I choose to invite only participants to my house blessing. It's
> > partly a matter of space. 3100 sq. ft. is large, but it ain't
> > Neyland Stadium. Only so many people will fit into each room. I want
> > participants, not onlookers.
>
>It's certainly your prerogative to decide which is which.
>
>Karen

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Ah!  Is a houseblessing just a housewarming with religious trappings?  I
would like to attend a Tupperware blessing.


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>
>Bethany K. Dumas:
>= On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>=
>= >Speaking of communion services, I think I can still recite almost every
>= >word from the Episcopal Communion service.  Does that make me more
>= >qualified to join in a house blessing?
>=
>= I don't know - the house blessing service does not usually involve the
>= Eucharist.
>=
>= Why exactly would you want to "join in a house blessing"?
>=
>= Bethany
>
>For me, if someone on words-l who didn't live too far away was
>having a house blessing, then I would probably feel a bit left
>out if she told me I wasn't invited because I don't go to church.
>It's just a housewarming party with religeous trappings.  Are you
>going to have a secular housewarming party too?

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As much as any religious ceremony is infused with the vast inherent
stupidity that afflicts everything smacking of religion, I avoid them all,
whenever possible. But it seems to me Bethany is quite right in her
reasoning regarding invitations.  Stupid or not, the occasion isn't a
spectator activity designed for the entertainment of the disengaged.


>From: "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU>
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>On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, steph wrote:
>
> >For me, if someone on words-l who didn't live too far away was
> >having a house blessing, then I would probably feel a bit left
> >out if she told me I wasn't invited because I don't go to church.
> >It's just a housewarming party with religeous trappings.  Are you
> >going to have a secular housewarming party too?
>
>The reason Natalie is not invited is not that she does not "go to church."
>It's that the event would have no meaning for her and that, so far as I
>know, she could not join In the community prayers that are the chief
>reason for the event. She would be an onlooker, not a participant.
>
>And yes - I will also have a housewarming - probably more than one. You
>are all invited!
>
>Bethany

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At 01:17 PM 8/22/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> >> I am grateful for that. And perhaps in time, they will even share those
> >> inner secrets. Then we will know about them and can factor them in.
> >
> >
> >        It's none of your business.
>
>Then do not expect it to be factored in to invitations.

Many thanks!

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These are noble sentiments about the unintended epiphanous effects of
activities and experiences! I guess we should all invite everyone to
everything at all times!  Next spring I invite all of you to attend all of
the high school graduation exercises taking place within 50 miles of
Louisville, Kentucky!


>From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: house blessing
>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:33:47 -0500
>
>Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>>
>>>Are you suggesting that I should invite all my friends, even those for
>>>whom the event will have little or no meaning -
>>>
>>
>>How can you predict what meaning the event will have for them?
>>Sometimes what affects us most is unanticipated.
>
>
>        Sometimes, people have inner lives that you would never dream of.
>
>
>
>
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>
>

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You are my beloved strip of white fatty stuff that surrounds a slice of
liverwurst.  Vielen merci!

>You are very wise.
>
>Bethany

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Ah, my ever so slightly used stapler, I will try to employ kinder, gentler
punctuation;


>From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: house blessing
>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:32:31 -0500
>
>Marty,
>
>I mean this in a Very Loving Way:  your exclamation points
>are giving me a headache, and your use of food endearments
>is derivative.
>
>
>Marty Rosen wrote:
>
>>These are noble sentiments about the unintended epiphanous effects of
>>activities and experiences! I guess we should all invite everyone to
>>everything at all times!  Next spring I invite all of you to attend all of
>>the high school graduation exercises taking place within 50 miles of
>>Louisville, Kentucky!
>>
>>
>>>From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
>>>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>>Subject: Re: house blessing
>>>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:33:47 -0500
>>>
>>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Are you suggesting that I should invite all my friends, even those for
>>>>>whom the event will have little or no meaning -
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>How can you predict what meaning the event will have for them?
>>>>Sometimes what affects us most is unanticipated.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>        Sometimes, people have inner lives that you would never dream of.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>>>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>>>
>>>
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> > >Why is it so strange?  I don't see the strangeness.  I mean, the idea of
> > >'god' already is kind of strange, why should he give a xxxx?
> > >Ann
> >
> > It's a strange belief because, in the Judeo-Christian definition, part of
> > the very concept of 'god' is that he cares.  He's supposed to be
>
> Wouldn't it be understood from the comment that the God being referred
> to wasn't the loving God of Judeo-Christian tradition?  (I still see

Unfortunately the comment-maker used 'he' instead of 'it'.  AND we have
reason to believe that Evelyn meant God in the Judeo-Christian tradition.

But thanks for understanding what I -meant-.

Ann

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Marty Rosen writes,

>in the etiquette of words-l, Bethany should be able to say, "I'm having a
>house blessing" without having to invite everybody who has a mild interest
>in observing it and eating pimento cheese.

... and then get all sorts of discussion about whether or not that's the
right thing, of course.

Pete

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Marty,

I mean this in a Very Loving Way:  your exclamation points
are giving me a headache, and your use of food endearments
is derivative.


Marty Rosen wrote:

> These are noble sentiments about the unintended epiphanous effects of
> activities and experiences! I guess we should all invite everyone to
> everything at all times!  Next spring I invite all of you to attend all of
> the high school graduation exercises taking place within 50 miles of
> Louisville, Kentucky!
>
>
>> From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
>> Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>> To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: house blessing
>> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:33:47 -0500
>>
>> Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, August 22, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are you suggesting that I should invite all my friends, even those for
>>>> whom the event will have little or no meaning -
>>>>
>>>
>>> How can you predict what meaning the event will have for them?
>>> Sometimes what affects us most is unanticipated.
>>
>>
>>
>>        Sometimes, people have inner lives that you would never dream of.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>>
>>
>
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Now that you raise the point, I think it's well within the bounds of the
words-l ethos for Karen and Natalie to have their moronic literalist games.
That kind of sparring is a kind of word play that has some entertainment
value, and maybe even some interesting substance.

I just wanted to head off the specific etiquette issue that rises under the
general heading:  "It's bad form to invite someone to a dinner party in the
presence of another person you don't plan to invite" and it's corollary:
"It's bad form to discuss a planned social engagement with another, when a
third party at the same table is excluded from said engagement."


>From: Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:26:44 -0700
>
>Marty Rosen writes,
>
>>in the etiquette of words-l, Bethany should be able to say, "I'm having a
>>house blessing" without having to invite everybody who has a mild interest
>>in observing it and eating pimento cheese.
>
>... and then get all sorts of discussion about whether or not that's the
>right thing, of course.
>
>Pete

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> The reason Natalie is not invited is not that she does not "go to church."
> It's that the event would have no meaning for her and that, so far as I
> know, she could not join In the community prayers that are the chief
> reason for the event. She would be an onlooker, not a participant.

Why do you think it would have no meaning for me?  Are the community
prayers secret -- as in only <insiders> can say them?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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bonniev wrote:
>
> > > That's a rather strange non-belief.  Why not just believe that there is no
> > > God rather than God exists and doesn't care?
> >
> >Why is it so strange?  I don't see the strangeness.  I mean, the idea of
> >'god' already is kind of strange, why should he give a xxxx?
> >Ann
>
> It's a strange belief because, in the Judeo-Christian definition, part of
> the very concept of 'god' is that he cares.  He's supposed to be
> all-knowing, all-powerful, all-loving.  The tradition tells us he created
> us, intervened numerous times to save or teach or admonish us, and is
> involved with our lives.  It simply follows that he cares about us.  For a
> Western woman to make one bald statement that she doesn't think God cares,
> without a further explanation that she also believes in some alternative
> notion of 'god', is a strange thing to say.

Wouldn't it be understood from the comment that the God being referred
to wasn't the loving God of Judeo-Christian tradition?  (I still see
nothing wrong with that term, btw -- Judeo-Christian -- though I am
aware that some people object to it.  I don't see how anybody can claim
that Judaism and Christianity don't share quite a bit.)

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I am not giving any parties between now and Sept. 30 to which you are not
invited.

Bethany

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Does anybody join church for social reasons anymore?  I can
> think of one congregation around here where I think that is
> true (Kurt Warner's -- the membership is huge -- it is *the*
> church to belong to in South County), but otherwise I think
> that habit is fading.

Quite likely it's fading, though I feel sure there are still some people
who do it.  "Social reasons" can include many different kinds of things,
of course, from what I was talking about re the Episcopal Church (in the
South, at least -- I've heard that that may be a regional thing -- the
idea that it's the church for the upper classes), to other kinds of
social reasons, like wanting to make friends or meet lovers or
whatever.  There's a church in Starkville that many people join because
of the particular people who are members and the kind of socializing
that goes on in relation to it.  (It's a Presbyterian church of the
liberal variety -- as opposed to First Pres of Starkville, which is the
Baptisty kind.)

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02003-08-22 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> That I have just been "Thanks so much"ed on the phone.

How about "Thanks, A+"?

This doesn't sound annoying to me, just a bit dippy or whatever.

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02003-08-22 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Marty,
>
> I mean this in a Very Loving Way:  your exclamation points
> are giving me a headache, and your use of food endearments
> is derivative.

Get an inner life!

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-08-22 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > That I have just been "Thanks so much"ed on the phone.
>
> How about "Thanks, A+"?
>
> This doesn't sound annoying to me, just a bit dippy or whatever.

To me either. Though I think you're right, it's a bit smarmy.  I use it
myself when I think smarminess will be appreciated.

Ann

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> Who made the decision, and on what date did it become
> effective?

I don't know.  Probably a dictionary panel of one of the major
dictionaries.  Perhaps their records would show the date it was decreed
acceptable.

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02003-08-22 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > 02003-08-22 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > > That I have just been "Thanks so much"ed on the phone.
> >
> > How about "Thanks, A+"?
> >
> > This doesn't sound annoying to me, just a bit dippy or whatever.
>
> To me either. Though I think you're right, it's a bit smarmy.  I use it
> myself when I think smarminess will be appreciated.

I didn't say dippy, I said smarmy.

Thanks a million for your lovely contribution!

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02003-08-22 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> > Who made the decision, and on what date did it become
> > effective?
>
> I don't know.  Probably a dictionary panel of one of the major
> dictionaries.  Perhaps their records would show the date it was decreed
> acceptable.

Ah, who cares ... Civilization is going down the toilet anyway.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> >What makes you think that Natalie and Espen would be onlookers instead
> >of participants?
>
> Their language - Espen said that he likes to observe religious events and
> Natalie said that she wanted to come because she likes parties - there are
> plenty of those around.

There's a problem with your logic here, though I can't think of the name
of the particular fallacy.  Saying that I want to come because I like
parties in no way precludes my being a participant and appreciating the
ritual.  I also didn't remember that Espen's comment had been about
observing religious events.  Maybe it was.

I should hunt for the croning pictures as an example of my liking
ritual.  I'm sure they're still somewhere online.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > and Natalie said that she wanted to come because she likes parties -
> > there are plenty of those around.
>
> Natalie is toying with you.

No, I meant it when I said that my reason for wanting to come would be
enjoying the gathering -- as in liking parties.  But, as I said later,
that does not rule out appreciating/participating in the blessing.

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> Nonsense, Karen.  You're advancing a very implausible interpretation of
> Espen's statement.

Huh? The 'interpretation' I'm advancing is the literal one.

Karen

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If I could only believe you were serious, my fuzzy little navel orange, I
might start a fan club.


>Damn, you're good, my slightly corked chardonnay!
>
>
>>From: bonniev <bonniev@GWI.NET>
>>It's a strange belief because, in the Judeo-Christian definition, part of
>>the very concept of 'god' is that he cares.  He's supposed to be
>>all-knowing, all-powerful, all-loving.  The tradition tells us he created
>>us, intervened numerous times to save or teach or admonish us, and is
>>involved with our lives.  It simply follows that he cares about us.  For a
>>Western woman to make one bald statement that she doesn't think God cares,
>>without a further explanation that she also believes in some alternative
>>notion of 'god', is a strange thing to say.
>>bonnie
>
>bonnie

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Just checking. http://www.avocado.org says you can freeze avocado
puree for up to six months.

I've never tried it.

Karen
"All meat is grey in the dark." KMK

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Though I'm an admirer of logic, I'm not convinced that Bethany is required
to offer a formally logical explanation for her inference in this case.  But
I'm pretty sure she hasn't lapsed into any especially atrocious fallacy.  In
this case, she's not required to apply reductionist analysis to the
statements made by Natalie and Espen.

Nor is she restricted to basing her position by citing any single statement
by either.  She previously reported that her dicision was based on a series
of comments made by Natalie over time.  It seems to me that those comments,
coupled with Natalie's more recent glib comment that she likes parties,
combine to cement Bethany's position.  The question is not how many tourists
can be made to dance on the head of a pin, but whether Bethany, in weighing
the information before her, has any reason to think that Natalie would be a
suitable participant in a religious ceremony that apparently has some
significance to her.  It seems to me the burden of proof is on Natalie to
make the case justifying an invitation.

In Espen's case it's clear, despite Natalie's faulty memory, that he did
make the remark attributed to him.  I occasionally have observed religious
events myself, and some are quite beautiful and inspiring.  I wrote a story
a couple of years ago about the sanctification of the Hindu Temple of
Kentucky, and I've seen services in fundamentalist churches, Roman Catholic
cathedrals, and African-American churches that were interesting and
entertaining spectacles.  Those kinds of services are generally viewed by
the organizations as semi-public events to which anyone is invited.  This
particular event, it seems to me, cannot be construed in the same way.
Throughout, Bethany has construed it as a somewhat intimate event with
personal meaning.  There are a number of religious ceremonies from which
outsiders are excluded.  Why not this one?



> > >What makes you think that Natalie and Espen would be onlookers instead
> > >of participants?
> >
> > Their language - Espen said that he likes to observe religious events
>and
> > Natalie said that she wanted to come because she likes parties - there
>are
> > plenty of those around.
>
>There's a problem with your logic here, though I can't think of the name
>of the particular fallacy.  Saying that I want to come because I like
>parties in no way precludes my being a participant and appreciating the
>ritual.  I also didn't remember that Espen's comment had been about
>observing religious events.  Maybe it was.
>
>I should hunt for the croning pictures as an example of my liking
>ritual.  I'm sure they're still somewhere online.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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You are the finest blades in my Kitchen Aid grinding attachment.


>From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: house blessing
>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:20:21 -0500
>
>Thank you, darling.  You're a peach.
>
>Marty Rosen wrote:
>
>>Ah, my ever so slightly used stapler, I will try to employ kinder, gentler
>>punctuation;
>>
>>
>>>From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
>>>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>>Subject: Re: house blessing
>>>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:32:31 -0500
>>>
>>>Marty,
>>>
>>>I mean this in a Very Loving Way:  your exclamation points
>>>are giving me a headache, and your use of food endearments
>>>is derivative.
>>>
>>>
>>>Marty Rosen wrote:
>>>
>>>>These are noble sentiments about the unintended epiphanous effects of
>>>>activities and experiences! I guess we should all invite everyone to
>>>>everything at all times!  Next spring I invite all of you to attend
>>>>all of
>>>>the high school graduation exercises taking place within 50 miles of
>>>>Louisville, Kentucky!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
>>>>>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>>>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>>>>Subject: Re: house blessing
>>>>>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:33:47 -0500
>>>>>
>>>>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Are you suggesting that I should invite all my friends, even those
>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>whom the event will have little or no meaning -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How can you predict what meaning the event will have for them?
>>>>>>Sometimes what affects us most is unanticipated.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>        Sometimes, people have inner lives that you would never dream
>>>>>of.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>>>>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>>>>>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>>>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>>>
>>>
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>
>--
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>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>
>

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hominy cricket wrote:

> So you're claming that there are people
> out there running around who've never
> questioned, searched, interpreted, or
> made a decision on their own as it
> pertains to their religion.
>
> I'd like to see one of these beings.

I feel sure that you've seen many of them.

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> Speaking of bugs, do roly-polies hurt shrubs?  (And
> is that how you
> spell roly-poly?  It looks funny.)  I noticed that
> my skinny holly thing
> -- the one that's supposed to grow very tall but
> stay very thin -- had
> some dead branches.  In examining it closely, I saw
> a bunch of
> roly-polies on the ground under it -- not on it
> itself, just on the
> ground.  I wondered whether there might be a
> connection.

I think the spelling is correct.  I've never known
them to damage veggetation, but I don't know what they d

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-08-22 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> That I have just been "Thanks so much"ed on the phone.

> How about "Thanks, A+"?

> This doesn't sound annoying to me, just a bit dippy or whatever.

It was someone who was thanking me for being enthusiastic about
applying for a job. Or at least, I think that's why she was thanking
me. I'm confused. Anyway, I don't grade people who have the potential
to hire me.

Karen
"Where the heart leads, the pants follow." PRB

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That might be the case in some alternative cognitive universe, but in the
context of the estimable Ms. Duncan's original statement, Bonnie's rejoinder
is on the mark.  I know where she's coming from, and damn; she's good;


>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>

>
>Wouldn't it be understood from the comment that the God being referred
>to wasn't the loving God of Judeo-Christian tradition?  (I still see
>nothing wrong with that term, btw -- Judeo-Christian -- though I am
>aware that some people object to it.  I don't see how anybody can claim
>that Judaism and Christianity don't share quite a bit.)
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> The reason Natalie is not invited is not that she does not "go to church."
>> It's that the event would have no meaning for her and that, so far as I
>> know, she could not join In the community prayers that are the chief
>> reason for the event. She would be an onlooker, not a participant.
>
>Why do you think it would have no meaning for me?  Are the community
>prayers secret -- as in only <insiders> can say them?

Because of what I have read of yours for several years now. But perhaps
you have a secret prayer life.

How often do you pray in community?

How often do you pray at all?

My impression is that you have no prayer life - I may be wrong, of course.
Praying consists of something other than saying words aloud at a <party>.

And of course none of this is any of my business.

Bethany

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Oh, I think people frequently join for political and business reasons (and
yes, I recognize that those fall under the "social" rubric) quite
frequently.  Indeed, the only sensible reason I can imagine for joining a
church is to grease the wheels of commerce or grub up a few votes.


>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:54:44 -0500
>
>Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> >         Does anybody join church for social reasons anymore?  I can
> > think of one congregation around here where I think that is
> > true (Kurt Warner's -- the membership is huge -- it is *the*
> > church to belong to in South County), but otherwise I think
> > that habit is fading.
>
>Quite likely it's fading, though I feel sure there are still some people
>who do it.  "Social reasons" can include many different kinds of things,
>of course, from what I was talking about re the Episcopal Church (in the
>South, at least -- I've heard that that may be a regional thing -- the
>idea that it's the church for the upper classes), to other kinds of
>social reasons, like wanting to make friends or meet lovers or
>whatever.  There's a church in Starkville that many people join because
>of the particular people who are members and the kind of socializing
>that goes on in relation to it.  (It's a Presbyterian church of the
>liberal variety -- as opposed to First Pres of Starkville, which is the
>Baptisty kind.)
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Thank you, darling.  You're a peach.

Marty Rosen wrote:

> Ah, my ever so slightly used stapler, I will try to employ kinder, gentler
> punctuation;
>
>
>> From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
>> Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>> To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: house blessing
>> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:32:31 -0500
>>
>> Marty,
>>
>> I mean this in a Very Loving Way:  your exclamation points
>> are giving me a headache, and your use of food endearments
>> is derivative.
>>
>>
>> Marty Rosen wrote:
>>
>>> These are noble sentiments about the unintended epiphanous effects of
>>> activities and experiences! I guess we should all invite everyone to
>>> everything at all times!  Next spring I invite all of you to attend
>>> all of
>>> the high school graduation exercises taking place within 50 miles of
>>> Louisville, Kentucky!
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
>>>> Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>>> To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>>> Subject: Re: house blessing
>>>> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:33:47 -0500
>>>>
>>>> Karen Kay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, August 22, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you suggesting that I should invite all my friends, even those
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> whom the event will have little or no meaning -
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How can you predict what meaning the event will have for them?
>>>>> Sometimes what affects us most is unanticipated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        Sometimes, people have inner lives that you would never dream
>>>> of.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>>> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>>>> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
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>> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>>
>>
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--- Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> Ah!  Is a houseblessing just a housewarming with
> religious trappings?  I
> would like to attend a Tupperware blessing.


Yikes!  It has dawned on me that Bethany has an
Episcopalian insurance agent.  "Reduce your annual
premiums with blessings!"

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hominy cricket wrote:
>
> >without questioning, searching, interpreting, or
> >making decisions from his own heart and experience
>
> Is such a thing even possible?

Yes.  I think there are plenty of people floating around whose so-called
beliefs are whatever they've been told by preachers or other
authority-figures that they *should* believe.

********
A man may be a heretic in the truth; and if he believe things only
because his pastor
says so, or the Assembly so determines, without knowing other reason,
though his belief be true, yet the very truth he holds,
becomes his heresy. There is not any burden that some would gladder post
off to another, than the charge and care of their
religion. There be, who knows not that there be of Protestants and
professors who live and die in as errant and implicit faith,
as any lay Papist or Loretto. A wealthy man addicted to his pleasure and
to his profits, find religion to be a traffic so
entangled, and of so many piddling accounts, that of all mysteries he
can not skill to keep a stock going upon that trade. What
should he do? fain he woud have the name to be religious, fain he would
bear up with his neighbors in that. What does he
therefore, but resolves to give over toiling, and to find himself out
some factor, to whose care and credit he may commit the
whole managing of his religious affairs.
*********
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I think there are at least as many such people now as in JM's day.
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hominy cricket wrote:
>
> Natalie:
> > Ask the Naturalists.
>
> I was going to suggest the term "deism".

Ever so slightly different shades of the same color.

Meanwhile there's some kind of critter trapped under my desk.  I've been
trying to find him -- am not sure whether he's just a large bug or is
something scarier.

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hominy cricket wrote:

> Sigh.  One more time.

I didn't remember previous times.  Galloping alzheimers, I guess.

> It was your moronic prattling about
> refrigerating the consecrated host,
> since meat spoils much faster than
> bread.

I don't remember that precise thread, but that sounds reasonable to me.

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > >without questioning, searching, interpreting, or
> > >making decisions from his own heart and experience
> >
> > Is such a thing even possible?
> >
>
> You're kidding.  Right?
>
> If not, you think you must have someone to
> tell you what to do and what to believe
> after you've become an adult?

Hmm.  It didn't occur to me to interpret Richard's question that way.  I
thought he meant is such a thing as NOT questioning possible.

Oh good -- Spencer has come in now and is going to help me find the
critter under the desk.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> > It's a strange belief because, in the Judeo-Christian definition, part of
> > the very concept of 'god' is that he cares.  He's supposed to be
> > all-knowing, all-powerful, all-loving.  The tradition tells us he created
> > us, intervened numerous times to save or teach or admonish us, and is
> > involved with our lives.  It simply follows that he cares about us.  For a
> > Western woman to make one bald statement that she doesn't think God cares,
> > without a further explanation that she also believes in some alternative
> > notion of 'god', is a strange thing to say.
>
>Wouldn't it be understood from the comment that the God being referred
>to wasn't the loving God of Judeo-Christian tradition?
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

That isn't what was understood by me.  I understood that the speaker was
thinking unclearly and communicated nothing but a slightly pissed-off
attitude to the religion of her fathers.


bonnie

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        Robert Cole has done some research regarding such.

Marty Rosen wrote:

> Whoa, back up the horse here. How do you know that "an individual's concept
> of heaven is specific to that individual"?  Don't you think, my bruised
> avocado, that this would be very difficult to "know"?
>
>> Yes.  Just as an individual's concept of heaven is
>> specific to that individual; and I've often thought
>> that if each pious individual were content with
>> his/her church, there would be as many churches as
>> there are people.
>>
>> BTW, I guess I am a prescriptivist, and you've shown
>> me a new meaning, as well.
>>
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hominy cricket wrote:

> The simplest answer is that we do it in
> November because that's when Abraham
> Lincoln said we should.

I've got it stuck in my head that he chose the last Thursday in November
(later changed to the fourth Thursday) because that was the date that
had been chosen by various governors or whoever in local Thanksgivings
in the northeast.

Oh dear.  I really do need to find out what's going on.  Spencer is
barking hysterically at something under the desk.


--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>I should hunt for the croning pictures as an example of my liking
>ritual.  I'm sure they're still somewhere online.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

This only confirms Bethany's proper instinct in not inviting you to her
house blessing.  You are too catholic in your ritual tastes to be a sincere
participant in her faith.


bonnie

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>Yikes!  It has dawned on me that Bethany has an
>Episcopalian insurance agent.  "Reduce your annual
>premiums with blessings!"

Reminds me - I've got to call Travelers re converting from renter's
insurance to condo-owner's insurance.

Bethany

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> In Espen's case it's clear, despite Natalie's faulty memory, that he did
> make the remark attributed to him.

No, he didn't.

> I occasionally have observed religious
> events myself, and some are quite beautiful and inspiring.

He didn't specify whether he observed or participated.

Karen

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In that case, I take it all back;


>From: bonniev <bonniev@GWI.NET>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: chador
>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:23:06 -0400
>
>If I could only believe you were serious, my fuzzy little navel orange, I
>might start a fan club.
>
>
>>Damn, you're good, my slightly corked chardonnay!
>>
>>
>>>From: bonniev <bonniev@GWI.NET>
>>>It's a strange belief because, in the Judeo-Christian definition, part of
>>>the very concept of 'god' is that he cares.  He's supposed to be
>>>all-knowing, all-powerful, all-loving.  The tradition tells us he created
>>>us, intervened numerous times to save or teach or admonish us, and is
>>>involved with our lives.  It simply follows that he cares about us.  For
>>>a
>>>Western woman to make one bald statement that she doesn't think God
>>>cares,
>>>without a further explanation that she also believes in some alternative
>>>notion of 'god', is a strange thing to say.
>>>bonnie
>>
>>bonnie

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Typical Mississippi weaselwords; Appreciating/participating is not the same
as participating;


>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
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>Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > > and Natalie said that she wanted to come because she likes parties -
> > > there are plenty of those around.
> >
> > Natalie is toying with you.
>
>No, I meant it when I said that my reason for wanting to come would be
>enjoying the gathering -- as in liking parties.  But, as I said later,
>that does not rule out appreciating/participating in the blessing.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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It was a huge flying bug of some kind.  He was floundering around under
the desk, but I managed finally to get him out the door.

Speaking of bugs, do roly-polies hurt shrubs?  (And is that how you
spell roly-poly?  It looks funny.)  I noticed that my skinny holly thing
-- the one that's supposed to grow very tall but stay very thin -- had
some dead branches.  In examining it closely, I saw a bunch of
roly-polies on the ground under it -- not on it itself, just on the
ground.  I wondered whether there might be a connection.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > Then again, there are some things that I didn't like in younger years
> > and now like -- foods, activities, etc.  So I guess the "try again"
> > would be appropriate.  But if I still hated it, surely I would have the
> > right to say "SCREW THIS!"
>
> What's an activity?

Are you asking for a definition or an example?  An example might be
reading editorials.  In my younger days I read the news but rarely read
editorials.  Now I like reading editorials.

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> Thanks a million for your lovely contribution!

Hey, smarmy is fine with me.  But perhaps we should
kowtow to the resident Emily Post.


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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Speaking of bugs, do roly-polies hurt shrubs?

They feed on decaying matter, so no.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        Does anybody join church for social reasons anymore?  I can
>>think of one congregation around here where I think that is
>>true (Kurt Warner's -- the membership is huge -- it is *the*
>>church to belong to in South County), but otherwise I think
>>that habit is fading.
>>
>
> Quite likely it's fading, though I feel sure there are still some people
> who do it.  "Social reasons" can include many different kinds of things,
> of course, from what I was talking about re the Episcopal Church (in the
> South, at least -- I've heard that that may be a regional thing -- the
> idea that it's the church for the upper classes), to other kinds of
> social reasons, like wanting to make friends or meet lovers or
> whatever.  There's a church in Starkville that many people join because
> of the particular people who are members and the kind of socializing
> that goes on in relation to it.  (It's a Presbyterian church of the
> liberal variety -- as opposed to First Pres of Starkville, which is the
> Baptisty kind.)


        Yes, I think the Episcopal Church does have that reputation.
  I think some of the parishes in this diocese are that way,
but we're motley and déclassé up in North County.  When I do
the detention center birthday parties, I enjoy seeing who
shows up from some of the other parishes.  But, around here,
I think the who-goes-there type of social thing is becoming
more of a phenomenon with the churches that are more
contemporary and fundamentalist, not necessarily attached to
any particular denomination -- or if they are they tend to
be Assemblies of God.  They tend to advertise on billboards
with the face of the pastor prominently featured.  I've
noticed them popping up especially in towns with lots of new
subdivisions -- I think they function to form a community of
sorts around a cult of personality.



--
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I'd like to mention here that with my linguistic upbringing etc,
chador means a low-class "rednecky" bed sheet. The correct term
is purdah, or sometimes burkha.

Does this have implications for my individual concept of heaven
(which is full of Pakistani soap stars)?

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Betty Clark wrote:
>
> Close your mouth!

Closed mouths in pictures look <prim>.

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02003-08-22 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > Thanks a million for your lovely contribution!
>
> Hey, smarmy is fine with me.  But perhaps we should
> kowtow to the resident Emily Post.

Maybe we should. Much gratitude.

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John Williams wrote:

> > >>So why do we celebrate in November?
>
>      The moveable feast was fixed by FDR during the Depression at the
> urging of the business community.

But I thought Abe had set it in November -- that FDR simply moved it
from the last Thursday to the fourth Thursday since a fifth Thursday
would put it too close to Christmas.

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>
> Ah, who cares ... Civilization is going down the
> toilet anyway.

If one allows the addition of an "e" to the word
"judgment", one should be prepared; chaos and anarchy
are will ensue.

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Tony Harminc wrote:

> bit further north. The phrase "up north" in this context generally
> means around 100 miles north of Toronto. "The north" is yet much
> further - the arctic, or at least close to it.

I didn't remember how far north you had gone.  Close to the arctic
wouldn't be so bad in summer.  All I remembered from past years was that
it was somewhere north of Toronto but still in Ontario, so I guess
calling it "northern Ontario" might have been <wrong> -- "north of
Toronto" would have been better wording.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I think you see them every day.  I'd say
> a large number never think of religion, period.
> Another large number are members of a religion but don't actually
> participate either in
> public services or in their private inner life.
> Another large number are members and attend public services out of habit
> and because they
> were taught they should, but it doesn't really mean much to them.  etc.
> etc.  Do many of these people wonder or seek or question?
> I doubt it.  Anyway, that's the way it looks
> to me.  Neither good nor bad, just is.

I think you've left out a group.  In addition to those you've named
above, I think there are people who go to church regularly and for whom
it does mean quite a bit but who have the idea that it isn't <right> for
them to wonder, seek, question -- that the <right> thing is for them to
believe what the preacher says or to believe the literal words in the
Bible (along with whatever preachers might have told them about the
various ways of justifying the Biblical discrepancies).

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> Oh dear.  I really do need to find out what's going
> on.  Spencer is
> barking hysterically at something under the desk.

Hope it's not something grey out of the dark.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I've already moved on to "much obliged."

That was my daddy's regular response.

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What is your attitude toward "thanks a bunch," Annbork?

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Marty Rosen wrote:
>
>  But it seems to me Bethany is quite right in her
> reasoning regarding invitations.  Stupid or not, the occasion isn't a
> spectator activity designed for the entertainment of the disengaged.

True, but I thought what she was being asked about was not the principle
but the methodology in identifying those who would be disengaged.  The
part about the community prayers may be the answer to that -- it sounded
like sort of an <insider> thing.
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Marty Rosen wrote:

> words-l, Bethany should be able to say, "I'm having a house blessing"
> without having to invite everybody who has a mild interest in observing it
> and eating pimento cheese.

Of course.  I think we all agree that it is for Bethany to choose how
many guests and who they are.  But that does not mean we can't enjoy
having an <intellectual> discussion of the process.

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> What is your attitude toward "thanks a bunch," Annbork?

kind of girl-scouty; often used by some secretaries in this office.

Ann

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> Does this have implications for my individual
> concept of heaven
> (which is full of Pakistani soap stars)?

No doubt.  Be prepared to change linens.


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02003-08-22 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> >
> > Ah, who cares ... Civilization is going down the
> > toilet anyway.
>
> If one allows the addition of an "e" to the word
> "judgment", one should be prepared; chaos and anarchy
> are will ensue.

"Judgment"? I was thinking of "potato".

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On Thursday, August 21, 2003 at 17:39, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> > More specifically, http://www.cedargrove.on.ca/bluebird.htm
>
> Why is the "minimum adult occupancy 4"?  And did the children pretend to
> be adults so y'all would qualify?  Or did they mean "maximum"?

The rates are "per person", with children of various ages counting as
1/2 or 3/4 persons. Each cottage has a "minimum adult occupancy" so
you can't get a whole large cottage and pay for e.g. just one person.

Tony H.

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02003-08-22 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> http://www.msstate.edu/Archives/Words-L/crone.jpg

Who is closest the camera?

Purple really doesn't go with green.

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Purple really doesn't go with green.

Uh-oh. It's what I'm wearing today.

Karen

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>Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Purple really doesn't go with green.
>
>Uh-oh. It's what I'm wearing today.
>Karen

"Let the good times roll."


bonnie

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http://www.msstate.edu/Archives/Words-L/crone.jpg

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, bonniev wrote:
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > Purple really doesn't go with green.
>>
>>Uh-oh. It's what I'm wearing today.
>>Karen

> "Let the good times roll."

Naturellement.

Karen

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-08-22 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Friday, August 22, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > Purple really doesn't go with green.
>>
>> Uh-oh. It's what I'm wearing today.

> You're my kind of young old-young meta-old woman!

Uh-huh.

How's work, you scum-sucking H1B scab?

Karen

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02003-08-22 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Friday, August 22, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Purple really doesn't go with green.
>
> Uh-oh. It's what I'm wearing today.

You're my kind of young old-young meta-old woman!

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> My impression is that you have no prayer life - I may be wrong, of course.

Indeed.  As somebody was saying a little while ago, there are many
things about people that other people would have no reason to know.

> And of course none of this is any of my business.

True.  Some people choose not to <wear their religion on their sleeve>.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Tushar Samant writes,

>I could summarize these values by saying that T-shirts and jeans strike
>the optimal balance between wearing veils and going about naked.

Sounds reasonable.

The alliteration and sartorial contrast between "burka" (or burqa) and
"bikini" attracts a number of writers:
<http://www.google.com/search?q=burka+bikini>
<http://www.google.com/search?q=burqa+bikini>

I like this blog post on the subject:
<http://shiapundit.blogspot.com/2002_09_22_shiapundit_archive.html#85485865>
(or <http://tinyurl.com/kvps>).

Pete

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bonniev wrote:

> >Wouldn't it be understood from the comment that the God being referred
> >to wasn't the loving God of Judeo-Christian tradition?
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> That isn't what was understood by me.  I understood that the speaker was
> thinking unclearly and communicated nothing but a slightly pissed-off
> attitude to the religion of her fathers.

Hmm.  I assumed it from the point that was being made.  I can't remember
it precisely -- something about not so much not believing in God as
believing that God doesn't care.  That made me assume that it wasn't the
Judeo-Xtian God since, as you said, that particular God or those
particular Gods if you prefer don't fit with the point.

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Marty Rosen wrote:
>
> Though I'm an admirer of logic, I'm not convinced that Bethany is required
> to offer a formally logical explanation for her inference in this case.

She isn't required to offer any explanation at all.

> Nor is she restricted to basing her position by citing any single statement
> by either.  She previously reported that her dicision was based on a series
> of comments made by Natalie over time.  It seems to me that those comments,
> coupled with Natalie's more recent glib comment that she likes parties,
> combine to cement Bethany's position.

That may be true, but the posting I was responding to was the one in
which she chose to give two <reasons> for thinking that Espen and I
would be outsiders, one for me and the other for Espen.  Mine was that I
had said I would like to be there because I like parties.  My point in
responding to that was simply to say that that does not preclude
appreciation/participation of/in the ritual.

> In Espen's case it's clear, despite Natalie's faulty memory, that he did
> make the remark attributed to him.  I occasionally have observed religious
> events myself, and some are quite beautiful and inspiring.

Hmm.  Without checking the archives to find Espen's exact words,
something has just occurred to me -- the different meanings of
"observe."  It may well be that he said that he likes observing
religious rituals and that I took that to mean observing in the sense of
observing xmas or whatever -- <doing it>.  When Bethany mentioned it,
her wording about outside observers sounded to me like a whole nother
thing from what I had remembered Espen as having said.  That's quite
likely what happened.  (I am not offering this as an attempt to restore
the credibility of my memory, btw.  I readily admit to faulty memories,
especially of recent things -- I make heavy use of iirc and mean it
sincerely.  I'm offering this thought instead because it leaped into my
head as a likely explanation and because it's an interesting <words>
matter.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >I should hunt for the croning pictures as an example of my liking
> >ritual.  I'm sure they're still somewhere online.
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> This only confirms Bethany's proper instinct in not inviting you to her
> house blessing.  You are too catholic in your ritual tastes to be a sincere
> participant in her faith.

I hope it's clear that I am not questioning Bethany's instinct (though
actually, from what she said later, I do know that she doesn't know much
about my <religion>) or her right to have an instinct and to apply it.
I'm just interested in the process, as I think I said earlier.   Whether
being catholic in one's ritual tastes makes one unable to be a sincere
participant in a particular one, I'm not sure.  That's an interesting
question.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Friday, August 22, 2003 at 14:02, Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > What is your attitude toward "thanks a bunch," Annbork?
>
> kind of girl-scouty; often used by some secretaries in this office.

Thanks muchly!

Tony H.

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> If one allows the addition of an "e" to the word
> "judgment", one should be prepared; chaos and anarchy
> are will ensue.

I believe it was Caxton who said in the late fifteenth century that the
English language was deteriorating because of strange pulls of the moon,
causing people to be crazy.

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I hope it's clear that I am not questioning Bethany's instinct (though
>actually, from what she said later, I do know that she doesn't know much
>about my <religion>)

Wonder why?

Bethany

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Marty Rosen wrote:
>
> Typical Mississippi weaselwords; Appreciating/participating is not the same
> as participating;

?  I thought I was using words other people had already used.  I don't
see them as weaselly at all.  I thought Bethany (or somebody) had said
that I might not appreciate the experience.  And I know that
participating was mentioned.  Those go together.  Or at least I think
they should go together.  Participation without appreciation would be a
very hollow kind of participation.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Yes, I think the Episcopal Church does have that reputation.

It definitely has in my lifetime in Mississippi -- including Memphis, of
course, as part of Mississippi.  I added the part about Memphis because
I thought about a very snobbish college roommate of mine who ended up
living in Memphis as an adult and of course became an Episcopalian when
they moved there.  She already had plenty of <aristocratic> trappings,
but she seemed to feel that she needed to add that one.

I've also noticed the term -- I'm blanking on it -- it's something like
"crib Episcopalian" or "womb Episcopalian" -- a term used by some
Episcopalians to establish themselves as from upper-classed birth, not
just upward mobility.  I remember laughing when a friend here said to me
one time not many years ago, "You're a crib Episcopalian [I think that's
the term] like me, aren't you?"  I laughed and said, "I'm not an
Episcopalian at all.  I'm a Methodist."

And speaking of Methodism, I read an interesting article somewhere
recently about Dubya's style of Methodism as opposed to John Wesley's
style (not that JW was ever a Methodist, of course -- he lived and died
an Anglican).  I think it was a long article on some kind of religious
organization's website -- something like "Christians for Peace and
Love."  I also think I blogged it.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:


> I've also noticed the term -- I'm blanking on it -- it's something like
> "crib Episcopalian" or "womb Episcopalian" -- a term used by some
> Episcopalians to establish themselves as from upper-classed birth, not
> just upward mobility.  I remember laughing when a friend here said to me
> one time not many years ago, "You're a crib Episcopalian [I think that's
> the term] like me, aren't you?"  I laughed and said, "I'm not an
> Episcopalian at all.  I'm a Methodist."
>I blogged it.


        Cradle Episcopalian.  Hmm.  Do you think I'm upwardly mobile?



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>Hmm.  I assumed it from the point that was being made.  I can't remember
>it precisely -- something about not so much not believing in God as
>believing that God doesn't care.  That made me assume that it wasn't the
>Judeo-Xtian God since, as you said, that particular God or those
>particular Gods if you prefer don't fit with the point.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Well, as Clyde always says "Assumption is the mother of all
fuck-ups."   Back in the years when I cared and discussed things like the
existence of God, people used to tell me that I wasn't an atheist at
all.  Rather, I fully believed that there was a god and I was deeply
disappointed in his performance.   He's definitely an under-achiever.


bonnie

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02003-08-22 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Friday, August 22, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-08-22 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> On Friday, August 22, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> > Purple really doesn't go with green.
> >>
> >> Uh-oh. It's what I'm wearing today.
>
> > You're my kind of young old-young meta-old woman!
>
> Uh-huh.
>
> How's work, you scum-sucking H1B scab?

Full of new challenges and entirely fulfilling!

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Tushar Samant wrote:
> > http://www.msstate.edu/Archives/Words-L/crone.jpg
>
> Who is closest the camera?

In main photo, Marsha Williams.  In top-right box, her husband, Clyde
Williams.  The three of us clones all turned fifty the same month of the
same year -- March '93 to be specific.  That's why we were group-cloned
(though some people say that it shouldn't be based on age -- that it
should be instead based on <lunar matters> -- ain't that cute wording --
AnnBork will barf).

Marsha and Clyde live in Starkville.  Clyde is my colleague in the
English Dept.  The other clonee was Brad's sister, Kay.  They came from
Amory for the event, bringing a wonderful little dog who was on death's
doorstep and died sometime not long after that.

WHERE IS BRAD????????????????

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> The alliteration and sartorial contrast between "burka" (or burqa) and
> "bikini" attracts a number of writers:

We had a light moment at lunch today in an otherwise serious
conversation about the Iraq mess when somebody was talking about the UN
people from other countries being even worse than USAers in not
understanding/respecting the culture and somebody else piped up with
"Are the Italian men pinching women through their burkas?"

Nevermind.  It was funnier in <real-life> than it is here.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >I hope it's clear that I am not questioning Bethany's instinct (though
> >actually, from what she said later, I do know that she doesn't know much
> >about my <religion>)
>
> Wonder why?

Because I feel no need to talk about it -- to <wear it on my sleeve>, to
use a phrase I used a little while ago?

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> "Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I hope it's clear that I am not questioning Bethany's instinct (though
>>>actually, from what she said later, I do know that she doesn't know much
>>>about my <religion>)
>>>
>>Wonder why?
>>
>
> Because I feel no need to talk about it -- to <wear it on my sleeve>, to
> use a phrase I used a little while ago?


        But you should take every opportunity to prove to us all how
much holier than thou you are.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Tony Harminc wrote:

> > > More specifically, http://www.cedargrove.on.ca/bluebird.htm
> >
> > Why is the "minimum adult occupancy 4"?  And did the children pretend to
> > be adults so y'all would qualify?  Or did they mean "maximum"?
>
> The rates are "per person", with children of various ages counting as
> 1/2 or 3/4 persons. Each cottage has a "minimum adult occupancy" so
> you can't get a whole large cottage and pay for e.g. just one person.

Ah so.  That makes sense, though it might be simpler for the owners if
they just had a rate for the cottage, without regard to number of
occupants.  (More and more hotels/motels seem to be doing that, which is
a disadvantage for a single traveler, though I understand why they do it
-- that I am by myself taking up the same room that two or three people
might be taking up and should thus pay for that privilege.  But in these
days when breakfasts are often included, I really shouldn't have to pay
for two or three breakfasts.)

So did you stay in a minimum-four-adults cottage?  Who were the other
two adults?

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> On Friday, August 22, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Purple really doesn't go with green.
>
> Uh-oh. It's what I'm wearing today.

When I am old, I shall wear purple.  With green if I feel like it.  (And
I did wear purple at Acadiafest -- I remember that you, Karen,
complimented my purple t-shirt, which I had worn that day because of
going to meet the Blaneys and thinking they might like to see a PRM
t-shirt.)

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Cradle Episcopalian.

That's it!

> Hmm.  Do you think I'm upwardly mobile?

Whether you are or aren't upwardly mobile isn't really relevant.  And
there's nothing wrong in itself with <upward mobility>.  The idea is
that some people choose to join the Episcopal Church because they think
it will raise their <social status>.  That is not you in any way.  And
don't forget that I said that both my parents and I considered ourselves
silly for having decided, many years apart, that we were not going to
become Episcopalian because we didn't like that some people did it for
social-climbing reasons.  Somehow I don't see your values as including
<social-climbing>.

Why do I have the Lutheran Church stuck in my head as in some way
related to you?  Do you have any Lutheran connection, or am I dreaming
that?  (I know about the Greek Orthodox connection, of course, but
something about Lutheranism is niggling around in my head for reasons I
can't remember.  I am quite likely imagining it.)

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bonniev wrote:

> Well, as Clyde always says "Assumption is the mother of all
> fuck-ups."

And I think he is onto something there.  That's one reason I think group
discussions, like Words-L, are good.  Sometimes assumptions can be <set
straight> more easily.

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> We had a light moment at lunch today in an otherwise serious
> conversation about the Iraq mess when somebody was talking about the UN
> people from other countries being even worse than USAers in not
> understanding/respecting the culture and somebody else piped up with
> "Are the Italian men pinching women through their burkas?"

> Nevermind.  It was funnier in <real-life> than it is here.

It made me laugh. I should think it would make any woman who's come
into contact with Italian men laugh.

Karen

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We weren't exactly speaking of music at this moment, but we have been at
various times.  There's a movie about Richie Valens on Bravo tonight at
7 (CDT).  I plan to turn on the <electric teevee> and partake of it.  It
has three stars in my guide.  (The guide often screws up listings,
however, so it might not be on at all.  I haven't turned on the
instrument itself yet to see whether it shows up in tonight's menu.)
--
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> >I hope it's clear that I am not questioning Bethany's instinct (though
>> >actually, from what she said later, I do know that she doesn't know much
>> >about my <religion>)
>>
>> Wonder why?
>
>Because I feel no need to talk about it -- to <wear it on my sleeve>, to
>use a phrase I used a little while ago?

Are you ashamed of it? Do you think it unimportant?

My experience is that until we can articulate something, we don't know
what it is.

Bethany

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>> >I hope it's clear that I am not questioning Bethany's instinct (though
>>> >actually, from what she said later, I do know that she doesn't know much
>>> >about my <religion>)
>>>
>>> Wonder why?
>>
>>Because I feel no need to talk about it -- to <wear it on my sleeve>, to
>>use a phrase I used a little while ago?

> Are you ashamed of it? Do you think it unimportant?

> My experience is that until we can articulate something, we don't know
> what it is.

What you seem unwilling to understand is that there's a difference
between articulating something and articulating something on the list.

Karen

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I just looked at my blog and found the article that I mentioned a little
while ago about Bush and religion.  It's here:

http://tinyurl.com/ks2g

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >Because I feel no need to talk about it -- to <wear it on my sleeve>, to
> >use a phrase I used a little while ago?
>
> Are you ashamed of it? Do you think it unimportant?

No and no.

> My experience is that until we can articulate something, we don't know
> what it is.

OMV.  I feel no need to talk about it.  My religious beliefs do not
include proselytizing.  And what other reason would there be for
<trumpeting> one's religion?

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> When I am old, I shall wear purple.  With green if I feel like it.  (And
> I did wear purple at Acadiafest -- I remember that you, Karen,
> complimented my purple t-shirt, which I had worn that day because of
> going to meet the Blaneys and thinking they might like to see a PRM
> t-shirt.)

It was a nice shirt. Was that really fest day? They kind of all blend
together in my memory.

Karen

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> My experience is that until we can articulate something, we don't know
>> what it is.
>
>What you seem unwilling to understand is that there's a difference
>between articulating something and articulating something on the list.

Not at all. What I find strange, though, is a complaint (and it was a
complaint) that I don't understand Natalie's very secret religion - when
she refuses to articulate the nature of that very secret religion.

I have seen no evidence that Natalie can articulate anything about
the topic except that mentioning any Christian observance often prompts
an allusion to "wearing something on one's arm/sleeve."

(I am wearing black - no tatoos, no medallions.)

My, I am glad I brought this topic up. What in the world would we have
talked about all day if I had not?

Bethany

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Natalie Maynor wrote:


> Why do I have the Lutheran Church stuck in my head as in some way
> related to you?  Do you have any Lutheran connection, or am I dreaming
> that?  (I know about the Greek Orthodox connection, of course, but
> something about Lutheranism is niggling around in my head for reasons I
> can't remember.  I am quite likely imagining it.)


        Because Ana went to a Lutheran school for two years (this
year I've transferred her to my school district).  Ana  is,
however, a Cradle Episcopalian.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>OMV.  I feel no need to talk about it.  My religious beliefs do not
>include proselytizing.  And what other reason would there be for
><trumpeting> one's religion?

I love your display of dysphemistic language! You are a master of
it! Do you do this with your students?

Bethany

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> Not at all. What I find strange, though, is a complaint (and it was a
> complaint) that I don't understand Natalie's very secret religion - when
> she refuses to articulate the nature of that very secret religion.

Why should she?

> My, I am glad I brought this topic up. What in the world would we have
> talked about all day if I had not?

Something else, I'm sure.

I miss My Sweet Polenta.

Karen

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02003-08-22 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant writes,
>
> >I could summarize these values by saying that T-shirts and jeans strike
> >the optimal balance between wearing veils and going about naked.
>
> Sounds reasonable.

Thanks, I strive to be entirely reasonable, and am glad to know that
many bloggers agree with the sentiment above.

There's an amazing volume of text on every hit I get, though...wonder
if there are Cliff's notes to any of them.


> The alliteration and sartorial contrast between "burka" (or burqa) and
> "bikini" attracts a number of writers:
> <http://www.google.com/search?q=burka+bikini>
> <http://www.google.com/search?q=burqa+bikini>
>
> I like this blog post on the subject:
> <http://shiapundit.blogspot.com/2002_09_22_shiapundit_archive.html#85485865>
> (or <http://tinyurl.com/kvps>).

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02003-08-22 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > http://www.msstate.edu/Archives/Words-L/crone.jpg
> >
> > Who is closest the camera?
>
> In main photo, Marsha Williams.  In top-right box, her husband, Clyde
> Williams.

I didn't ask who he was.

> The three of us clones all turned fifty the same month of the same year --
> March '93 to be specific.  That's why we were group-cloned (though some
> people say that it shouldn't be based on age -- that it should be instead
> based on <lunar matters> -- ain't that cute wording -- AnnBork will barf).

You mean cRone I assume ...

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 19:55:36 -0400
From: Terry Wild <twild@uri.edu>
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Thanks, Clyde, for the pointer to the Mortensen incident.  I'm glad I live
in an area where they look for tick diseases.  With the tick diseases
showing up everywhere, I hope more places start testing.  Some of this is
really scary.

Terry
----------------------------------------------------------
> Alan--
>
> I don't know if you saw it or not, but this week USA Today had an ariticle
> about Cris Mortenson---one of ESPN's football commentators.  He got the
> same the same thing as Terry had, except that he was minus a spleen.  They
> almost lost him---lungs filled with fluid, whole body rash, 104F fever,
> etc.  Next to this stuff, Lyme disease seems rather mild...
>
> cwv

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02003-08-22 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> When I am old, I shall wear purple.

Get out of here!

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I've just received my temporary card and membership registration.

I'm thinking to save on repeated invites over the next few years I'll just
send the registration form back with a 'See you in 8 years'.

Terry

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Terry Wild wrote:
> I'm thinking to save on repeated invites over the next few years I'll just
> send the registration form back with a 'See you in 8 years'.

It won't work.

Karen

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02003-08-22 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> bonniev wrote:
>
> > Well, as Clyde always says "Assumption is the mother of all
> > fuck-ups."
>
> And I think he is onto something there.

Puh-lease ... E B White said it first.

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> It won't work.
>
> Karen

Not surprising.

Have you read anything by Maria Flook?  I just finished "Invisible Eden".
Not bad, but she repeated herself a few times which I found annoying.

I've just started Lisa Gardner's "The Survivors Club".  It is set in RI.

Terry

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Terry Wild wrote:
> Have you read anything by Maria Flook?  I just finished "Invisible Eden".
> Not bad, but she repeated herself a few times which I found annoying.

No. I don't read true crime, except in the newspaper.

> I've just started Lisa Gardner's "The Survivors Club".  It is set in RI.

I have read at least one of her books, but I can't remember the title
and I'm too lazy to read all the descriptions on Amazon. I remember
liking it a lot.

Karen

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At 07:55 PM 8/22/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:
>Thanks, Clyde, for the pointer to the Mortensen incident.

You are welcome.  From your posts of the Left Coast trip, it sounds like
you are hale and hearty again.  Definitely AARP material.

cwv

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--On Friday, August 22, 2003 9:03 PM -0400 "clyde w. voigtlander"  wrote:

> you are hale and hearty again.

I hope to stay that way!

>  Definitely AARP material.

We'll see

Terry

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At 06:40 PM 8/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > When I am old, I shall wear purple.  With green if I feel like it.  (And
> > I did wear purple at Acadiafest -- I remember that you, Karen,
> > complimented my purple t-shirt, which I had worn that day because of
> > going to meet the Blaneys and thinking they might like to see a PRM
> > t-shirt.)
>
>It was a nice shirt. Was that really fest day? They kind of all blend
>together in my memory.
>
>Karen

Did you notice that Larry wore his BatFest shirt when we went to the
winery?  Myles loved it.

Betty

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Yes,  I just read an article about Amy Tan after you left.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19083-2003Aug4.html

Betty

At 07:55 PM 8/22/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:
>Thanks, Clyde, for the pointer to the Mortensen incident.  I'm glad I live
>in an area where they look for tick diseases.  With the tick diseases
>showing up everywhere, I hope more places start testing.  Some of this is
>really scary.
>
>Terry
>----------------------------------------------------------
>>Alan--
>>
>>I don't know if you saw it or not, but this week USA Today had an ariticle
>>about Cris Mortenson---one of ESPN's football commentators.  He got the
>>same the same thing as Terry had, except that he was minus a spleen.  They
>>almost lost him---lungs filled with fluid, whole body rash, 104F fever,
>>etc.  Next to this stuff, Lyme disease seems rather mild...
>>
>>cwv

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> It was a nice shirt. Was that really fest day? They
> kind of all blend
> together in my memory.

Even the mushed flowers?


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Betty to Natalie in pictures:

> Close your mouth!

She can't! She said she forgot how to smile for pictures, and that that was
the best she could do.

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By golly, you're right and I'm wrong.  As an act of contrition, I'm posting
the ten commandments as presented in the Everett Fox translation.

Exodus 20

1      God spoke all these words, saying:
2      I am YHWH your God,
        who brought you out
        from the land of Egypt, from a house of serfs.
3      You are not to have
        any other gods
        before my presence.
4     You are not to make yourself a carved-image
       or any other figure
       that is in the heavens above, that is on the earth beneat, that is in
the waters beneath the earth;
5     you are not to bow down to them,
       you are not to serve them, for I, YHWH your God,
       am a jealous God,
       calling to account the iniquity of the fatherws upon the sons, to the
third and the fourth
              (generation)
       of those that hate me,
6     but showing loyalty to the thousandth
       of those that love me,
       of those that keep my commandments.

7     You are not to take up
       the name of YHWH your God for emptiness,
       for YHWH will not clear him
       that takes up his name for emptiness.

8     Remember
       the Sabbath day, to hallow it.
9     For six days, you are to serve, and are to make all your work,
10   but the seventh day
       is Sabbath for YHWH your God:
       So you are not to make any kind of work,
       (not) you, nor your son, nor your daughter,
       (not) your servant, nor your maid, nor your beast,
       nor your sojourner that is within your gates.
11   For in six days
      YHWH made
      the heavens and the earth,
      the sea and all that is in it,
      and he rested on the sevent day;
      therefore YHWH gave the seventh day his blessing, and he hallowed it.

12  Honor
      your father and your mother in order that your days may be prolonged
      on the soil that YHWH your God is giving you.

13   You are not to murder.

       You are not to adulter.

       You are not to steal

       You are not to testify against your fellow as a false witness.

14   You are not to desire the house of your neighbor;
       you are not to desire the wife of your neighbor,
       or his servant, or his maid, or his ox, or his donkey,
       or anything that is your neighbor's.

Verse 21 continues with an instruction omitted from these ten:
A slaugher-site of soil, you are to make for me,, you are to slaughter upon
it your offerings-up, your sacrifices of shalom, your sheep and your oxen!

In fact, a series of highly interesting commands follows.  One wonders why
ten is the magic number, and why this one, for instance, isn't considered a
guiding principle in, say American law: "When men quarrel, and a man strikes
his neighbor with a stone or with his fist, yet he does not die, but rather
takes to his bed: if he can rise and walk about outside upon his crutch, he
that struck him is to go clear."

Or this one, which would seem to have some impact on one's notion of the
legal rights of a fetus: "When two men scuffle and deal a blow to a pregnant
woman so that her children abort-forth, but other harm does not occur, he is
to be fined, yes, fined, as the woman's spouse imposes for him, but he is to
give it only according to assessment.  But if harm is to occur, then you are
to give life in place of life, eye in place of eye, tooth in place of tooth,
foot in place of tooth, burnt scar in place of burnt scar, wound in place of
wound, bruise in place of bruise."

Sounds like here, a fetus is not accorded full status.

Finally, please note that there's a Clark Gable marathon on TCM tonight.

>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: house blessing
>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:33:38 -0500
>
>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> > In Espen's case it's clear, despite Natalie's faulty memory, that he did
> > make the remark attributed to him.
>
>No, he didn't.
>
> > I occasionally have observed religious
> > events myself, and some are quite beautiful and inspiring.
>
>He didn't specify whether he observed or participated.
>
>Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> It was a nice shirt. Was that really fest day? They kind of all blend
> together in my memory.

It is an aged shirt but one I'm glad I have since it has <held up
well>.  It's odd to me that t-shirts can vary so much even if their
labels indicate that they're the same.  Some develop <odd shapes>.  I
can't remember how long I've had that purple t-shirt, but I know it was
well before my year in Japan since I remember considering letting it be
one of the ones I tossed at the end of that year -- as in didn't bring
home.  It's the one I had on the day I ran into the rikishi in Tokyo
Eki:
http://www.msstate.edu/Archives/Words-L/sumo.jpg

Yes, I'm sure it was fest day that I wore that shirt since that was the
day I had first gone to the Indian thing at the little college, where I
met the Blaneys and where you and BrP were.  I then went out to
Ironbound, then back to the motel just in time to start walking toward
the Voigtlanders', then picked up by kind Wordslers in clo's car.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    having abandoned the movie on Bravo -- short attention span for tv
stuff,        annoyance at the off lip-synching, general ho-hum feeling
about it

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One of the more disturbing aspects of the Amy Tan story is that she says it
took a long time and several different tests for Lyme until the tests
finally started to come back consistently positive.

Isn't there a vaccination now that you can get against Lyme?  It might be
worth it.  One of the Inns here in Bar Harbor went on the market because
the woman who was running it was diagnosed with late Lyme.  She will need
at least two years to recover, if she ever does.  It's sad because this
young couple very much enjoyed running an Inn, were talking about having
children, etc.  Now she is constantly exhausted and spends most of each day
in bed.


>Yes,  I just read an article about Amy Tan after you left.
>
>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19083-2003Aug4.html
>
>Betty
>
>At 07:55 PM 8/22/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:
>>Thanks, Clyde, for the pointer to the Mortensen incident.  I'm glad I live
>>in an area where they look for tick diseases.  With the tick diseases
>>showing up everywhere, I hope more places start testing.  Some of this is
>>really scary.
>>
>>Terry
>>----------------------------------------------------------
>>>Alan--
>>>
>>>I don't know if you saw it or not, but this week USA Today had an ariticle
>>>about Cris Mortenson---one of ESPN's football commentators.  He got the
>>>same the same thing as Terry had, except that he was minus a spleen.  They
>>>almost lost him---lungs filled with fluid, whole body rash, 104F fever,
>>>etc.  Next to this stuff, Lyme disease seems rather mild...
>>>
>>>cwv

bonnie

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>
>
>         Because Ana went to a Lutheran school for
> two years (this
> year I've transferred her to my school district).
> Ana  is,
> however, a Cradle Episcopalian.

Did you ever get your truck repaired?



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> My, I am glad I brought this topic up. What in the
> world would we have
> talked about all day if I had not?

I hope y'all will keep discussing.  I sincerely find
the various aspects of the topic provocative and
engaging.


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--On Friday, August 22, 2003 9:58 PM -0400 bonniev <bonniev@GWI.NET> wrote:

> Isn't there a vaccination now that you can get against Lyme?  It might be
> worth it.

There was, but it was stopped as it caused many to have arthritic problems,
severe in some.

Terry

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >OMV.  I feel no need to talk about it.  My religious beliefs do not
> >include proselytizing.  And what other reason would there be for
> ><trumpeting> one's religion?
>
> I love your display of dysphemistic language! You are a master of
> it! Do you do this with your students?

What in what I wrote above do you consider dysphemistic?
Proselytizing?  Trumpeting?  I don't consider either of those words
dysphemistic.  To me, trumpeting one's personal religion is blasting it
to the crowds.  Would you prefer blasting to trumpeting?  Or maybe some
circumlocution like "saying it quite a bit in public fora"?  And I see
no reason for doing that, whatever you choose to call it, except for the
purpose of proselytizing.  I can't off the top of my fuzzy head think of
a synonym you might prefer.

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Betty wrote:
> Yes,  I just read an article about Amy Tan after you left.

> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19083-2003Aug4.html

Jesus. I'm sorry.

Karen

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> Could you articulate that difference, please?

Sure. This is me not articulating that difference on the list.

Karen

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Here I find myself agreeing with Natalie.  Indeed, it seems to me that the
group she's describing is the only group that _ought_ to go to church.  Once
you've decided to believe in things like virgin births, transubstantiation
of flesh, heaven, hell, purgatory, reincarnation, angels, saints, gods,
goddesses, etc., the next step is inarguably a committed, unapologetic leap
into the maws of stupidity.  There is nothing more pathetic than serpentine
theological attempts to rationalize faith.

>I think you've left out a group.  In addition to those you've named
>above, I think there are people who go to church regularly and for whom
>it does mean quite a bit but who have the idea that it isn't <right> for
>them to wonder, seek, question -- that the <right> thing is for them to
>believe what the preacher says or to believe the literal words in the
>Bible (along with whatever preachers might have told them about the
>various ways of justifying the Biblical discrepancies).
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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What about "thanks loads."?


>From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET>
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>On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > What is your attitude toward "thanks a bunch," Annbork?
>
>kind of girl-scouty; often used by some secretaries in this office.
>
>Ann

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> >What you seem unwilling to understand is that there's a difference
> >between articulating something and articulating something on the list.
>
> Not at all. What I find strange, though, is a complaint (and it was a
> complaint) that I don't understand Natalie's very secret religion - when
> she refuses to articulate the nature of that very secret religion.

I don't remember that Karen complained that you didn't understand my
"very secret religion."  I don't really remember every piece of this
crazy thread, but my guess about what she might have said is that maybe
you didn't recognize the possibility that some people have religious
beliefs that they don't feel compelled to talk about all the time or
even any time.

> I have seen no evidence that Natalie can articulate anything about
> the topic except that mentioning any Christian observance often prompts
> an allusion to "wearing something on one's arm/sleeve."

Iirc, I didn't use that expression until tonight.  In fact, I would
almost swear to that fact.  Re evidence of ability to articulate on the
topic, perhaps you are right that I have offered none.  As I said
earlier, I decided a good while back that talking about religion on
Words-L is perilous.  But aside from that, I see no particular reason to
articulate my religious beliefs.  It's sort of like talking about sex.
I find general discussions of both sex and religion interesting and
partake in them, but I do not feel any desire or need to talk about my
personal sex life or religious life.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Could you articulate that difference, please?


>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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>
>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> > On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >>> >I hope it's clear that I am not questioning Bethany's instinct
>(though
> >>> >actually, from what she said later, I do know that she doesn't know
>much
> >>> >about my <religion>)
> >>>
> >>> Wonder why?
> >>
> >>Because I feel no need to talk about it -- to <wear it on my sleeve>, to
> >>use a phrase I used a little while ago?
>
> > Are you ashamed of it? Do you think it unimportant?
>
> > My experience is that until we can articulate something, we don't know
> > what it is.
>
>What you seem unwilling to understand is that there's a difference
>between articulating something and articulating something on the list.
>
>Karen

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:

> What about "thanks loads."?

I think that went out with "thanks ever so."

Who says that?

Ann

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > > Well, as Clyde always says "Assumption is the mother of all
> > > fuck-ups."
> >
> > And I think he is onto something there.
>
> Puh-lease ... E B White said it first.

So you think you have to be the first for it to be onto something?
There are very few, if any, new thoughts in the world.  Not talking now
about scientific discoveries and such, but anything anybody thinks about
life, philosophy, etc. etc. has been thought by many other people.

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What difference does it make who says it?  I mean, are you asking whether
only assholes say it, so you can decide that it's bad, or that only wise
sages say it so you can decide that it's good?  What if I just want to
express my deep gratitude that brought the whole matter up, and I therefore
want to go beyond a simple thanks, and am just wondering how to do that
without pissing you off?

Thanks a bundle.


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>On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
>
> > What about "thanks loads."?
>
>I think that went out with "thanks ever so."
>
>Who says that?
>
>Ann

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Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > > http://www.msstate.edu/Archives/Words-L/crone.jpg
> > >
> > > Who is closest the camera?
> >
> > In main photo, Marsha Williams.  In top-right box, her husband, Clyde
> > Williams.
>
> I didn't ask who he was.

You asked who was closest to the camera.  Since two pictures were
displayed, it seemed reasonable to give you both answers.

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Betty wrote:
> Did you notice that Larry wore his BatFest shirt when we went to the
> winery?

No, that was sweet.

>  Myles loved it.

And I love him.:)

Karen

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Because Ana went to a Lutheran school for two years (this
> year I've transferred her to my school district).  Ana  is,
> however, a Cradle Episcopalian.

Oh good.  I thought that was another of my major brain crashes.  I've
got it stuck in my head that a Lutheran minister was a good friend or
something like that.  But maybe I should drop this and comfort myself
that I hadn't imagined the whole Lutheran thing -- that there was a
thread of truth to my memory.  So don't reply that no -- no Lutheran
minister was anybody you ever knew.

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> It was a nice shirt. Was that really fest day? They
>> kind of all blend
>> together in my memory.

> Even the mushed flowers?

Ha. Ha.

Karen

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:

> What difference does it make who says it?  I mean, are you asking whether
> only assholes say it, so you can decide that it's bad, or that only wise
> sages say it so you can decide that it's good?

That was a rhetorical question, dumbass.  It meant "Does anybody say that
any more?"  oops that's another rhetorical question.  It meant "I doubt if
anybody says that any more but if they do they're soooo 20th century."

>  What if I just want to
> express my deep gratitude that brought the whole matter up, and I therefore
> want to go beyond a simple thanks, and am just wondering how to do that
> without pissing you off?

Take it to alt.cuddle!  Why care about pissing me off?  (that's a
rhetorical question too)

> Thanks a bundle.
>
Oh 'tis nothing.

Ann

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> Just checking. http://www.avocado.org says you can freeze avocado
> puree for up to six months.
>
> I've never tried it.

Trader Joe's frozen avocado halves are great, as is Costco's frozen
guacamole, so I guess it's possible.

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Thank you, my aging rectal thermometer.  Those were consumptive questions,
asked with the accompaniment of a hearty cough;


>From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET>
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>
>On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
>
> > What difference does it make who says it?  I mean, are you asking
>whether
> > only assholes say it, so you can decide that it's bad, or that only wise
> > sages say it so you can decide that it's good?
>
>That was a rhetorical question, dumbass.  It meant "Does anybody say that
>any more?"  oops that's another rhetorical question.  It meant "I doubt if
>anybody says that any more but if they do they're soooo 20th century."
>
> >  What if I just want to
> > express my deep gratitude that brought the whole matter up, and I
>therefore
> > want to go beyond a simple thanks, and am just wondering how to do that
> > without pissing you off?
>
>Take it to alt.cuddle!  Why care about pissing me off?  (that's a
>rhetorical question too)
>
> > Thanks a bundle.
> >
>Oh 'tis nothing.
>
>Ann

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--- Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> What about "thanks loads."?

Or "thanks SO much"?

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> Subject: AARP
>
>
> I've just received my temporary card and membership registration.

I got mine last year and threw it out.

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:

> Here I find myself agreeing with Natalie.  Indeed, it seems to me that the
> group she's describing is the only group that _ought_ to go to church.  Once
> you've decided to believe in things like virgin births, transubstantiation
> of flesh, heaven, hell, purgatory, reincarnation, angels, saints, gods,
> goddesses, etc., the next step is inarguably a committed, unapologetic leap
> into the maws of stupidity.  There is nothing more pathetic than serpentine
> theological attempts to rationalize faith.
>
You miss the whole point of Community.  I guess I should say you excel in
missing the whole point of Community.

I guess I should apologize for you excelling in missing the whole point of
Community.

I guess you have to be here to think THAT'S funny.

Ann

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:

> Thank you, my aging rectal thermometer.  Those were consumptive questions,
> asked with the accompaniment of a hearty cough;

You're CUTE!

(mind those stairs, need an arm?)

Ann

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Lynne Weber wrote:

>>
>>        Because Ana went to a Lutheran school for
>>two years (this
>>year I've transferred her to my school district).
>>Ana  is,
>>however, a Cradle Episcopalian.
>>
>
> Did you ever get your truck repaired?


        No, we've had to hire a lawyer because AMERICAN FAMILY SUCKS.

        Seriously, all we want is a new bumper.  They told us to get
a lawyer because they consider the case adversarial.   This
is a fucked up country.



--
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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> Trader Joe's frozen avocado halves are great,

Thank you! I've never seen these.

Karen

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A sudden memory spurt:  Re your Lutheran connection, Rita --  Did Ana
choose a Lutheran minister to be her stand-in grandfather on an
<occasion>?  Something like that is stuck in my memory.

But now my tired brain and body are going to bed, looking forward to the
dawn though lamenting that the dawn is arriving later and later.  Fall
sux.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>         No, we've had to hire a lawyer because
> AMERICAN FAMILY SUCKS.
>
>         Seriously, all we want is a new bumper.
> They told us to get
> a lawyer because they consider the case adversarial.
>   This
> is a fucked up country.

Adversarial??  How so?




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> Yes,  I just read an article about Amy Tan after you left.
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19083-2003Aug4.html
>
> Betty


Wow!  I consider myself very lucky.  I'm minimizing yard time, but can see
the toll on Edward.  We spent the afternoon at the pond.

Terry

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Ah,  I see now.  The first 14 verses (in this version) are given directly by
YHWH to the assembled mouthbreathing masses.  They're so flabbergasted at
being tod not to desire their neighbor's monkey, that they said to Moshe,
"You speak with us, and we will hearken, but let not God speak with us, lest
we die!"

Then, to condense things, the people stand far off while Moshe approaches
"the fog where God was."

Now, if I were a preacher, I would make a big deal out of this text: note
that God speaks from a fog, I'd tell my parishioners, the very fog of
ignorance and stupidity, uh huh, and amen.

Anyway, while in the fog, Moshe gets a bunch of directions about oxen and
virgins, and sorceresses, and trickling grapes.  He brings these back.  The
decalogue is public stuff, the other stuff is second hand, filtered through
Moshe.  Thus, the decalogue stands alone, direct from the horse's mouth, so
to speak.


>From: Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: house blessing
>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 21:57:14 -0400
>
>By golly, you're right and I'm wrong.  As an act of contrition, I'm posting
>the ten commandments as presented in the Everett Fox translation.
>
>Exodus 20
>
>1      God spoke all these words, saying:
>2      I am YHWH your God,
>        who brought you out
>        from the land of Egypt, from a house of serfs.
>3      You are not to have
>        any other gods
>        before my presence.
>4     You are not to make yourself a carved-image
>       or any other figure
>       that is in the heavens above, that is on the earth beneat, that is
>in
>the waters beneath the earth;
>5     you are not to bow down to them,
>       you are not to serve them, for I, YHWH your God,
>       am a jealous God,
>       calling to account the iniquity of the fatherws upon the sons, to
>the
>third and the fourth
>              (generation)
>       of those that hate me,
>6     but showing loyalty to the thousandth
>       of those that love me,
>       of those that keep my commandments.
>
>7     You are not to take up
>       the name of YHWH your God for emptiness,
>       for YHWH will not clear him
>       that takes up his name for emptiness.
>
>8     Remember
>       the Sabbath day, to hallow it.
>9     For six days, you are to serve, and are to make all your work,
>10   but the seventh day
>       is Sabbath for YHWH your God:
>       So you are not to make any kind of work,
>       (not) you, nor your son, nor your daughter,
>       (not) your servant, nor your maid, nor your beast,
>       nor your sojourner that is within your gates.
>11   For in six days
>      YHWH made
>      the heavens and the earth,
>      the sea and all that is in it,
>      and he rested on the sevent day;
>      therefore YHWH gave the seventh day his blessing, and he hallowed it.
>
>12  Honor
>      your father and your mother in order that your days may be prolonged
>      on the soil that YHWH your God is giving you.
>
>13   You are not to murder.
>
>       You are not to adulter.
>
>       You are not to steal
>
>       You are not to testify against your fellow as a false witness.
>
>14   You are not to desire the house of your neighbor;
>       you are not to desire the wife of your neighbor,
>       or his servant, or his maid, or his ox, or his donkey,
>       or anything that is your neighbor's.
>
>Verse 21 continues with an instruction omitted from these ten:
>A slaugher-site of soil, you are to make for me,, you are to slaughter upon
>it your offerings-up, your sacrifices of shalom, your sheep and your oxen!
>
>In fact, a series of highly interesting commands follows.  One wonders why
>ten is the magic number, and why this one, for instance, isn't considered a
>guiding principle in, say American law: "When men quarrel, and a man
>strikes
>his neighbor with a stone or with his fist, yet he does not die, but rather
>takes to his bed: if he can rise and walk about outside upon his crutch, he
>that struck him is to go clear."
>
>Or this one, which would seem to have some impact on one's notion of the
>legal rights of a fetus: "When two men scuffle and deal a blow to a
>pregnant
>woman so that her children abort-forth, but other harm does not occur, he
>is
>to be fined, yes, fined, as the woman's spouse imposes for him, but he is
>to
>give it only according to assessment.  But if harm is to occur, then you
>are
>to give life in place of life, eye in place of eye, tooth in place of
>tooth,
>foot in place of tooth, burnt scar in place of burnt scar, wound in place
>of
>wound, bruise in place of bruise."
>
>Sounds like here, a fetus is not accorded full status.
>
>Finally, please note that there's a Clark Gable marathon on TCM tonight.
>
>>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: Re: house blessing
>>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:33:38 -0500
>>
>>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
>> > In Espen's case it's clear, despite Natalie's faulty memory, that he
>>did
>> > make the remark attributed to him.
>>
>>No, he didn't.
>>
>> > I occasionally have observed religious
>> > events myself, and some are quite beautiful and inspiring.
>>
>>He didn't specify whether he observed or participated.
>>
>>Karen
>
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In a piece on NPR, mention was made of the fact that
the pursuit of genealogy has become so popular, there
are now professional family sleuths.  And there is a
firm in New York that offers DNA tests for $159 a
lick.  Folks in law enforcement at all levels have
always bemoaned the fact that forensic labs want way
too much money to do this type of testing.  That
doesn't seem like much money to me to arrive at a
positive conclusion in a questionable case?


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Is this a troll, or are you just desperately uninformed?


>From: John Williams <williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU>
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>Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:04:53 -0500
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM>
>
>
> > >An Industry Trapped by a Theory
> > >by Robert Kuttner
> > >
> > >In the search for the source of Thursday's blackout, the
> > underlying cause
> > >has been all but ignored: deregulation.
>
>Um, what deregulation?  When you have a commodity that has to be
>produced upon demand and cannot be stockpiled, and has the means of
>production curtailed and the means of distribution eliminated in the
>face of increasing demand, things like this are inevitable.  The only
>factor left open to market forces is the price.  Anyone remember PG&E's
>proposal about four years ago to moor a generating vessel in SF harbor
>to cope with demands in excess of capacity, even then?  Oh, the
>hilarity that ensued!  And that's even with the San Onofre nuclear
>plant being built just outside of Phoenix, thank you California very
>much...
>
>JMW

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At 06:52 PM 8/22/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > It was a nice shirt. Was that really fest day? They
> > kind of all blend
> > together in my memory.
>
>Even the mushed flowers?

That was the best part.  It was a Karen words-l moment.  Terry wanted to
hear broken glass but it was the best we could do.

Betty

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:

> I wish I were there, because I don't understand any of this.  Is Community
> with a capital C a synonym for communal delusion? Perhaps churchgoing is a
> bit like being a rabid Wildcats/Cornhuskers/Fighting Illini/Bulldongs fan,

I am a frivolous person and I just skim off the top.  BUT SEE Alasdair
MacIntyrem AFTER VIRTUE.  Or not, I don't care.

> get.  But I think a person can attend a football game, drink a beer, and
> take in a halftime show without having to believe in the psychotic delusions
> of lunatics.  Going to church, taking communion, praying, making confession,
> doing penance--these things seem quite different to me than yelling "Go,
> Cats."

"psychotic delusions of lunatics" isn't that dys-something language?

> Anyway, my chilly sphygmomanometer, though I don't get your point, thanks a
> peck for your Christlike and communal willingness to apologize on my behalf.
>
AW, shucks-o-rama.

ann

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Betty wrote:
> At 06:52 PM 8/22/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> > It was a nice shirt. Was that really fest day? They
>> > kind of all blend
>> > together in my memory.
>>
>>Even the mushed flowers?

> That was the best part.  It was a Karen words-l moment.  Terry wanted to
> hear broken glass but it was the best we could do.

You forget--they were trampled flowers. I trampled them with my butt.

Karen

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

> MacIntyrem AFTER VIRTUE.  Or not, I don't care.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^

I evidently dragged my right index finger, or maybe my chin dropped.
Anyway, make that "MacIntyre."

Ann

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> Well, I couldn't afford it at the moment, so I'm
> glad I'm not accused
> of a crime.
>
> I forget how many people are in prison in CA,
> probably more than the
> population of RI.:) But in any case, those $159 add
> up pretty fast.

Yes, but supposing you were a defense attorney?


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Oh, it was an assertive question; thanks a half dozen danish;


>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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>
>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> >> She's from Alabama.
> >>
> >> Karen
>
> > Many thanks, MS. Kay.  That explains it all.
>
>No, it explains assertive questions, though.
>
>Karen

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> I like it, even though I'm not sure why -- it's not
> a particularly
> spectacular shot or anything.  It is well-stitched,
> though.  I'm getting
> good with the tools (*and* they're excellent tools).
>
> Pete

Golllllleeee, Pete.  You are getting good.


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> No, it explains assertive questions, though.
>
> Karen

Is this just an Alabama behavior, or general southern?

I'm still pondering Natalie's statement that "Yankees are normally
<assertive> and blurt right out the requirements. "

Terry

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Terry Wild wrote:
>> No, it explains assertive questions, though.
>>
>> Karen

> Is this just an Alabama behavior, or general southern?

I think it's a characteristic of Southern speech.

> I'm still pondering Natalie's statement that "Yankees are normally
> <assertive> and blurt right out the requirements. "

She didn't mean anything personal. And don't forget, for her, Betty is
a Yankee, too.

Karen

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> In a piece on NPR, mention was made of the fact that
> the pursuit of genealogy has become so popular, there
> are now professional family sleuths.  And there is a
> firm in New York that offers DNA tests for $159 a
> lick.  Folks in law enforcement at all levels have
> always bemoaned the fact that forensic labs want way
> too much money to do this type of testing.  That
> doesn't seem like much money to me to arrive at a
> positive conclusion in a questionable case?

Don't blood tests only cost a few dollars? In comparison to that, $159
is a lot.

I think the price keeps coming down.

Karen

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> Don't blood tests only cost a few dollars? In
> comparison to that, $159
> is a lot.
>
> I think the price keeps coming down.

That's right, of course, but it still seems pretty
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I wish I were there, because I don't understand any of this.  Is Community
with a capital C a synonym for communal delusion? Perhaps churchgoing is a
bit like being a rabid Wildcats/Cornhuskers/Fighting Illini/Bulldongs fan,
which I think has something to do with an aspect of Community that I don't
get.  But I think a person can attend a football game, drink a beer, and
take in a halftime show without having to believe in the psychotic delusions
of lunatics.  Going to church, taking communion, praying, making confession,
doing penance--these things seem quite different to me than yelling "Go,
Cats."

But maybe they're not.  Maybe only the faithful should attend football
games.

Anyway, my chilly sphygmomanometer, though I don't get your point, thanks a
peck for your Christlike and communal willingness to apologize on my behalf.


> >
>You miss the whole point of Community.  I guess I should say you excel in
>missing the whole point of Community.
>
>I guess I should apologize for you excelling in missing the whole point of
>Community.
>
>I guess you have to be here to think THAT'S funny.
>
>Ann

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Is that a declarative question?

>From: Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
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>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 19:48:26 -0700
>
>In a piece on NPR, mention was made of the fact that
>the pursuit of genealogy has become so popular, there
>are now professional family sleuths.  And there is a
>firm in New York that offers DNA tests for $159 a
>lick.  Folks in law enforcement at all levels have
>always bemoaned the fact that forensic labs want way
>too much money to do this type of testing.  That
>doesn't seem like much money to me to arrive at a
>positive conclusion in a questionable case?
>
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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> Don't blood tests only cost a few dollars? In
>> comparison to that, $159
>> is a lot.
>>
>> I think the price keeps coming down.

> That's right, of course, but it still seems pretty
> cheap to me.

Well, I couldn't afford it at the moment, so I'm glad I'm not accused
of a crime.

I forget how many people are in prison in CA, probably more than the
population of RI.:) But in any case, those $159 add up pretty fast.

Karen

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> Is that a declarative question?

She's from Alabama.

>>From: Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
>>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: DNA
>>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 19:48:26 -0700
>>
>>In a piece on NPR, mention was made of the fact that
>>the pursuit of genealogy has become so popular, there
>>are now professional family sleuths.  And there is a
>>firm in New York that offers DNA tests for $159 a
>>lick.  Folks in law enforcement at all levels have
>>always bemoaned the fact that forensic labs want way
>>too much money to do this type of testing.  That
>>doesn't seem like much money to me to arrive at a
>>positive conclusion in a questionable case?
>>
>>
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Ah, yes; Alabama;  The state that in its tourist literature now touts itself
as "the birthplace of the civil rights movement;"

Here, direct from deja.com, is my 1995 report on a trip to Alabama;


1. Mobile is Alabama's only seaport.  In addition to its own indisputable
charms, Mobile is perhaps most notable for having lent its name to the style
of domestic architecture that prevails throughout most of the state.

2. A number of significant battles have been fought over control of Mobile
Bay.  During one of those battles, David Farragut uttered the words "Damn
the torpedoes, full speed ahead.  There is something pathetic about a
country in which rather stupid words like "Damn the torpedoes, full speed
ahead" resonate down through the ages, take on a brassy, heroic patina,
and are familiar to just about every schoolchild over the age of 12.
Farragut was a union officer.

3. In the coastal regions of Alabama, there are many signs prohibiting
the importation of red clay.  The rest of the country would be well
advised to adopt a similar policy.

4. If Alabama tried to secede from the Union today, I wonder whether
Congress could be persuaded that the state's strategic significance
is sufficient to merit the deployment of Federal troops.

5. The lemons grown by local producers in southern Alabama are so much
superior to those shipped north from Florida and east from California
that they alone might be sufficient to justify federal intervention to
avoid secession.

6. Boiled peanuts are a disgusting scourge foisted on carpetbaggers by
smirking southern clerks.

7. The price of seafood is inversely related to its freshness.  A
fisherman with a boatload of flounder will sell it directly from the boat
for $2.50 a pound.  The next day, the same flounder, sold at a waterfront
fishmarket, will go for 3.50, and by the time it reaches the supermarket,
it will be worth 5.00.

8. Selma is a beautiful town, with a great riverfront, fine 19th century
buildings, and the national voting rights museum.  A very vocal woman
running a pleasant shop in a building overlooking the Alabama river made
a point of revealing to me with no prompting that she has, on occasion,
spoken to colored people, even when it was coming along toward dark.

9. I think there's something unsettling about state of Alabama public
relations materials in which the state promotes itself as the place
where the civil rights movement was born

10. Coastal Alabama seems to lack a distinctive culture and cuisine.
Most of the residents are transplanted northerners and the food is
nondescript.  There are a lot of inferior attempts to evoke New Orleans
food.  Although freshly shucked oysters are just as good in
Alabama as they are in New Orleans, the essence of the Poor Boy, which is at
its apex at places like the Acme in N.O., seems to have escaped the
Alabamans.

11.  Beer selections are uniformly bad.  I was forced to drink Budweiser
when dining out.  Fortunately, I had imported a good selection of Belgian
beers for the week.




>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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>
>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> > Is that a declarative question?
>
>She's from Alabama.
>
> >>From: Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
> >>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> >>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >>Subject: DNA
> >>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 19:48:26 -0700
> >>
> >>In a piece on NPR, mention was made of the fact that
> >>the pursuit of genealogy has become so popular, there
> >>are now professional family sleuths.  And there is a
> >>firm in New York that offers DNA tests for $159 a
> >>lick.  Folks in law enforcement at all levels have
> >>always bemoaned the fact that forensic labs want way
> >>too much money to do this type of testing.  That
> >>doesn't seem like much money to me to arrive at a
> >>positive conclusion in a questionable case?
> >>
> >>
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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> On Friday, August 22, 2003, Betty wrote:
>> At 06:52 PM 8/22/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
>>> > It was a nice shirt. Was that really fest day? They
>>> > kind of all blend
>>> > together in my memory.
>>>
>>>Even the mushed flowers?

>> That was the best part.  It was a Karen words-l moment.  Terry wanted to
>> hear broken glass but it was the best we could do.

> You forget--they were trampled flowers. I trampled them with my butt.

P.S. We're actually on topic!!!

Karen

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>I am a frivolous person and I just skim off the top.  BUT SEE Alasdair
>MacIntyrem AFTER VIRTUE.  Or not, I don't care.

Not caring is arrogantly godlike of you, my tangled agate rosary.

>"psychotic delusions of lunatics" isn't that dys-something language?

I'm thinking of sponsoring that word in the next edition of OED.

> > Anyway, my chilly sphygmomanometer, though I don't get your point,
>thanks a
> > peck for your Christlike and communal willingness to apologize on my
>behalf.
> >
>AW, shucks-o-rama.
>
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>On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> > MacIntyrem AFTER VIRTUE.  Or not, I don't care.
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>I evidently dragged my right index finger, or maybe my chin dropped.
>Anyway, make that "MacIntyre."

Q.E.D., you DO care.  You really do!

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

>> MacIntyrem AFTER VIRTUE.  Or not, I don't care.
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^

> I evidently dragged my right index finger, or maybe my chin dropped.
> Anyway, make that "MacIntyre."

I taught with one of his students. She was Very Interesting.

Karen

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> Yes, but supposing you were a defense attorney?

I'd double it and charge it to my client's bill. But we're not worried
about rich white guys getting off, are we?

Karen

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This must be an Alabama rhetorical question;


>From: Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
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> > Well, I couldn't afford it at the moment, so I'm
> > glad I'm not accused
> > of a crime.
> >
> > I forget how many people are in prison in CA,
> > probably more than the
> > population of RI.:) But in any case, those $159 add
> > up pretty fast.
>
>Yes, but supposing you were a defense attorney?
>
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> She's from Alabama.
>
> Karen

Many thanks, MS. Kay.  That explains it all.

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> She's from Alabama.
>>
>> Karen

> Many thanks, MS. Kay.  That explains it all.

No, it explains assertive questions, though.

Karen

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> Q.E.D., you DO care.  You really do!

Ya gotta like a fella who mixes registers like this.

Ann

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>
> > I think you see them every day.  I'd say
> > a large number never think of religion, period.
> > Another large number are members of a religion but don't actually
> > participate either in
> > public services or in their private inner life.
> > Another large number are members and attend public services out of
habit
> > and because they
> > were taught they should, but it doesn't really mean much to them.
etc.
> > etc.  Do many of these people wonder or seek or question?
> > I doubt it.  Anyway, that's the way it looks
> > to me.  Neither good nor bad, just is.
>
> I think you've left out a group.  In addition to those you've named
> above, I think there are people who go to church regularly and for
whom
> it does mean quite a bit but who have the idea that it isn't <right>
for
> them to wonder, seek, question -- that the <right> thing is for them
to
> believe what the preacher says or to believe the literal words in the
> Bible (along with whatever preachers might have told them about the
> various ways of justifying the Biblical discrepancies).
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Natalie, you are quite right.
Oh, it is so obvious that we were
both raised Methodist.

           - D. M.

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> 02003-08-22 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > When I am old, I shall wear purple.
>
> Get out of here!
>
>
Or . . . another way to put it is . .
"get out of town!"

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> That was the best part.  It was a Karen words-l moment.  Terry wanted to
> hear broken glass but it was the best we could do.
>
> Betty


I had an ear to the background while we ate with Myles, waiting for your
spirit to manifest itself.  Maybe it was the water dripping off the awning
outside the window.

Terry

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> Oh, it was an assertive question; thanks a half dozen danish;

I don't remember the linguistic term. I though we talked about this
the other day. High rising questions or something? You find them in
pidgin, too.

>>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: Re: DNA
>>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 22:13:57 -0500
>>
>>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> >> She's from Alabama.
>> >>
>> >> Karen
>>
>> > Many thanks, MS. Kay.  That explains it all.
>>
>>No, it explains assertive questions, though.
>>
>>Karen

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Terry Wild wrote:
>> That was the best part.  It was a Karen words-l moment.  Terry wanted to
>> hear broken glass but it was the best we could do.
>>
>> Betty


> I had an ear to the background while we ate with Myles, waiting for your
> spirit to manifest itself.  Maybe it was the water dripping off the awning
> outside the window.

No silverware fell on the floor?

Karen

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Yes, I read some of the messages.  Peter, I think, coined some terminology,
but I failed to persist to the end of the thread.




>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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>
>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> > Oh, it was an assertive question; thanks a half dozen danish;
>
>I don't remember the linguistic term. I though we talked about this
>the other day. High rising questions or something? You find them in
>pidgin, too.
>
> >>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> >>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
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> >>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 22:13:57 -0500
> >>
> >>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> >> >> She's from Alabama.
> >> >>
> >> >> Karen
> >>
> >> > Many thanks, MS. Kay.  That explains it all.
> >>
> >>No, it explains assertive questions, though.
> >>
> >>Karen
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I've posted a wide-angle panorama of last night's sunset and clouds over
Foster City to my blog: <http://www.istori.com/log/>.

I like it, even though I'm not sure why -- it's not a particularly
spectacular shot or anything.  It is well-stitched, though.  I'm getting
good with the tools (*and* they're excellent tools).

Pete

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Thanks a sturgeon, my steaming platter of frogmore stew.


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>Ya gotta like a fella who mixes registers like this.
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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> Yes, I read some of the messages.  Peter, I think, coined some terminology,
> but I failed to persist to the end of the thread.

No, that was assumptive questions. Maybe I read about high-rising
questions on one of my linguistics lists.




>>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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>>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 22:18:56 -0500
>>
>>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
>> > Oh, it was an assertive question; thanks a half dozen danish;
>>
>>I don't remember the linguistic term. I though we talked about this
>>the other day. High rising questions or something? You find them in
>>pidgin, too.
>>
>> >>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>> >>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>> >>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>> >>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 22:13:57 -0500
>> >>
>> >>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> >> >> She's from Alabama.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Karen
>> >>
>> >> > Many thanks, MS. Kay.  That explains it all.
>> >>
>> >>No, it explains assertive questions, though.
>> >>
>> >>Karen
>>
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> You find them in
> pidgin, too.

And in yellow bellied sapsucker.


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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> You find them in
>> pidgin, too.

> And in yellow bellied sapsucker.

You need to check that dictionary again, sweetie.

Karen

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Me too.  I'm surprised to learn that the yankee state of assertiveness is
the normal state of assertiveness.  I think this is prescriptive.  As an
assertion relativist, I think the level of assertiveness one finds in the
south is just as "normal."  Seems to me this kind of regional bias is just
counterproductive.  There are so many levels of assertiveness that it would
be difficult to just pick one out and say that it's normal and the others
aren't.  I'd guess, in fact, that yankees are more than normally assertive,
when measured against a regional continuum of assertiveness.


>I'm still pondering Natalie's statement that "Yankees are normally
><assertive> and blurt right out the requirements. "
>
>Terry

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Dang.  Could someone post a glossary of question types, please?  Tushar?
Alan?


>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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>
>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> > Yes, I read some of the messages.  Peter, I think, coined some
>terminology,
> > but I failed to persist to the end of the thread.
>
>No, that was assumptive questions. Maybe I read about high-rising
>questions on one of my linguistics lists.
>
>
>
>
> >>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> >>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> >>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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> >>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 22:18:56 -0500
> >>
> >>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> >> > Oh, it was an assertive question; thanks a half dozen danish;
> >>
> >>I don't remember the linguistic term. I though we talked about this
> >>the other day. High rising questions or something? You find them in
> >>pidgin, too.
> >>
> >> >>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> >> >>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group
><WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> >> >>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >> >>Subject: Re: DNA
> >> >>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 22:13:57 -0500
> >> >>
> >> >>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> >> >> >> She's from Alabama.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Karen
> >> >>
> >> >> > Many thanks, MS. Kay.  That explains it all.
> >> >>
> >> >>No, it explains assertive questions, though.
> >> >>
> >> >>Karen
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> She didn't mean anything personal. And don't forget, for her, Betty is
> a Yankee, too.
>
> Karen

I'm certainly not taking it personal, it's just something that I don't
readily see in what I term Yankee (New England) behavior.

Terry

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Yes, she does have a tendency to be cold and thoughtless.

>She didn't mean anything personal. And don't forget, for her, Betty is
>a Yankee, too.
>
>Karen

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Ah, nau toktok pokah;

>From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET>
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> > Thank you, my perfect ballcock!
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>Many flushes!
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>Pidgin is akin to patois, or broken pronunciation of a
>language unfamiliar to the speaker. I wasn't educated
>in Alabama, you know.

Dispela go i no gat tok;
(this goes without saying)

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Oke bilong me liklik kukim con kaikai;
Okay, my little cooked cornmeal;

>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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>Tok Pisin to me, baby!
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>Karen

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>> > I think you are SO PARANOID that you should take some chickweed cure.
>>
>> Paranoid?! Why?

> Excuse me, I am finding all the wrong words.  I think I meant, I didn't
> see any bitchiness but you are calling it out.

Gotcha.

> I would like there to be a word for this but so far there isn't.  And I
> apologize for sloppy word using.

That's okay.

Karen

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I bet the marketing guys at Trader Joe's know the exact answer to this
question;

>>
>>Thank you! I've never seen these.
>
>Who would buy half an avocado?

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Hawhawhaw;  Didn't you get it?  Huh?  Didn't you?  Haw Haw Haw;


>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> >> You find them in
> >> pidgin, too.
>
> > And in yellow bellied sapsucker.
>
>You need to check that dictionary again, sweetie.
>
>Karen

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> Me too.  I'm surprised to learn that the yankee state of assertiveness is
> the normal state of assertiveness.  I think this is prescriptive.  As an
> assertion relativist, I think the level of assertiveness one finds in the
> south is just as "normal."  Seems to me this kind of regional bias is just
> counterproductive.  There are so many levels of assertiveness that it would
> be difficult to just pick one out and say that it's normal and the others
> aren't.  I'd guess, in fact, that yankees are more than normally assertive,
> when measured against a regional continuum of assertiveness.

Oh go put your burkha back on and clean the toilet.

Ann

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Yes, there's that too, the famed New England reserve.  I think it's normal,
though.


>From: Terry Wild <twild@URI.EDU>
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>>She didn't mean anything personal. And don't forget, for her, Betty is
>>a Yankee, too.
>>
>>Karen
>
>I'm certainly not taking it personal, it's just something that I don't
>readily see in what I term Yankee (New England) behavior.
>
>Terry

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--- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> On Friday, August 22, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> >> You find them in
> >> pidgin, too.
>
> > And in yellow bellied sapsucker.
>
> You need to check that dictionary again, sweetie.
>
> Karen

I cannot approximate Mr. Rosen's mental acumen, but I
can spell.


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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:

> Dang.  Could someone post a glossary of question types, please?  Tushar?
> Alan?

Pete's your man

Ann

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Thank you, my perfect ballcock!

>From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET>
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>
> > Me too.  I'm surprised to learn that the yankee state of assertiveness
>is
> > the normal state of assertiveness.  I think this is prescriptive.  As an
> > assertion relativist, I think the level of assertiveness one finds in
>the
> > south is just as "normal."  Seems to me this kind of regional bias is
>just
> > counterproductive.  There are so many levels of assertiveness that it
>would
> > be difficult to just pick one out and say that it's normal and the
>others
> > aren't.  I'd guess, in fact, that yankees are more than normally
>assertive,
> > when measured against a regional continuum of assertiveness.
>
>Oh go put your burkha back on and clean the toilet.
>
>Ann

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> --- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
>> On Friday, August 22, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> >> You find them in
>> >> pidgin, too.
>>
>> > And in yellow bellied sapsucker.
>>
>> You need to check that dictionary again, sweetie.
>>
>> Karen

> I cannot approximate Mr. Rosen's mental acumen, but I
> can spell.

So can I. That's why I think you need to go back to the dictionary if
you don't know what a pidgin is. Or ask.

Karen

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:

> Thank you, my perfect ballcock!

Many flushes!

Ann

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
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> So can I. That's why I think you need to go back to the dictionary if
> you don't know what a pidgin is. Or ask.

Strikes me as a bit sadistic "Or ask"

Why don't you just tell her, my stinky carpet cleaner.

Ann

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> So can I. That's why I think you need to go back to
> the dictionary if
> you don't know what a pidgin is. Or ask.

Pidgin is akin to patois, or broken pronunciation of a
language unfamiliar to the speaker. I wasn't educated
in Alabama, you know.

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> So can I. That's why I think you need to go back to the dictionary if
>> you don't know what a pidgin is. Or ask.

> Strikes me as a bit sadistic "Or ask"

> Why don't you just tell her, my aromatic carpet cleaner.

Because I think her comment was needlessly bitchy. And I don't have
to. So there!

Karen

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Dispela bringim disela giaman long longpela bilong em; Haw Haw Haw;


>From: Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
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>--- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> > On Friday, August 22, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > >> You find them in
> > >> pidgin, too.
> >
> > > And in yellow bellied sapsucker.
> >
> > You need to check that dictionary again, sweetie.
> >
> > Karen
>
>I cannot approximate Mr. Rosen's mental acumen, but I
>can spell.
>
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Because I think her comment was needlessly bitchy. And I don't have
> to. So there!

I think you are SO PARANOID that you should take some chickweed cure.

Ann

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> So can I. That's why I think you need to go back to
>> the dictionary if
>> you don't know what a pidgin is. Or ask.

> Pidgin is akin to patois, or broken pronunciation of a
> language unfamiliar to the speaker. I wasn't educated
> in Alabama, you know.

I'm so pleased for you!

Karen

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> Dispela bringim disela giaman long longpela bilong em; Haw Haw Haw;

Tok Pisin to me, baby!

Karen

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Tru? Tenkyu, bilong mi tapiok;


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>On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
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> > Dang.  Could someone post a glossary of question types, please?  Tushar?
> > Alan?
>
>Pete's your man
>
>Ann

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>> Because I think her comment was needlessly bitchy. And I don't have
>> to. So there!

> I think you are SO PARANOID that you should take some chickweed cure.

Paranoid?! Why?

Karen

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> > I think you are SO PARANOID that you should take some chickweed cure.
>
> Paranoid?! Why?

Excuse me, I am finding all the wrong words.  I think I meant, I didn't
see any bitchiness but you are calling it out.

I would like there to be a word for this but so far there isn't.  And I
apologize for sloppy word using.

Ann

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> Excuse me, I am finding all the wrong words.  I
> think I meant, I didn't
> see any bitchiness but you are calling it out.
>
> I would like there to be a word for this but so far
> there isn't.  And I
> apologize for sloppy word using.

This is what Ms. Kay does.  It's called "bringing out
the worst in people".  I apologize (Tushar having left
the building)for having been drawn in by it.  I
apologize, also, to Ms. Kay for having elicited this
tone from me.


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At 09:27 PM 8/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > Trader Joe's frozen avocado halves are great,
>
>Thank you! I've never seen these.

Who would buy half an avocado?

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At 10:39 PM 8/22/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:
>>Yes,  I just read an article about Amy Tan after you left.
>>
>>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19083-2003Aug4.html
>>
>>Betty
>
>
>Wow!  I consider myself very lucky.  I'm minimizing yard time, but can see
>the toll on Edward.  We spent the afternoon at the pond.

I love the description of him waking up in your arms.  'Al did good.  Has
he noticed the piercing yet?

Betty

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
>>Pidgin is akin to patois, or broken pronunciation of a
>>language unfamiliar to the speaker. I wasn't educated
>>in Alabama, you know.

> Dispela go i no gat tok;
> (this goes without saying)

LOL!!!!!!

Marty is the ultimate bitch!

Karen

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At 09:35 PM 8/22/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>A sudden memory spurt:  Re your Lutheran connection, Rita --  Did Ana
>choose a Lutheran minister to be her stand-in grandfather on an
><occasion>?  Something like that is stuck in my memory.
>
>But now my tired brain and body are going to bed, looking forward to the
>dawn though lamenting that the dawn is arriving later and later.  Fall
>sux.

Maybe you are getting her mixed up with me.  Born and raised Lutheran.

Betty

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> This is what Ms. Kay does.  It's called "bringing out
> the worst in people".

No, in you. I actually bring out the best of a lot of other people.
I'd say most other people. You are just special!

Karen

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Betty wrote:
> At 09:27 PM 8/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> > Trader Joe's frozen avocado halves are great,
>>
>>Thank you! I've never seen these.

> Who would buy half an avocado?

It's like peach halves, Betty.

Karen

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At 10:15 PM 8/22/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > Subject: AARP
> >
> >
> > I've just received my temporary card and membership registration.
>
>I got mine last year and threw it out.

I've been using mine for discounts for a while.  I must admit to gasping
and trying not to laugh when Larry bought two "senior" tickets to the
movies in Monterey.   They never question his white head.  We went to see
'Winged Migration'.  It would have been fine if the birds would shut the
fuck up.

Betty

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At 09:20 PM 8/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Betty wrote:
> > Yes,  I just read an article about Amy Tan after you left.
>
> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19083-2003Aug4.html
>
>Jesus. I'm sorry.

Very sad. I'm so glad Terry got diagnosed early.

Betty

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At 10:04 PM 8/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Betty wrote:
> > At 06:52 PM 8/22/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
> >> > It was a nice shirt. Was that really fest day? They
> >> > kind of all blend
> >> > together in my memory.
> >>
> >>Even the mushed flowers?
>
> > That was the best part.  It was a Karen words-l moment.  Terry wanted to
> > hear broken glass but it was the best we could do.
>
>You forget--they were trampled flowers. I trampled them with my butt.

And we were trying to figure out how to spell smooched.

Betty

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At 08:08 PM 8/22/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> > MacIntyrem AFTER VIRTUE.  Or not, I don't care.
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>I evidently dragged my right index finger, or maybe my chin dropped.
>Anyway, make that "MacIntyre."

Boob typing?

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At 09:18 PM 8/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Betty wrote:
> > Did you notice that Larry wore his BatFest shirt when we went to the
> > winery?
>
>No, that was sweet.
>
> >  Myles loved it.
>
>And I love him.:)

It was a great day.  After playing pool, having lunch, picking/eating wine
grapes we visited Kevin and Lorinda.  Lorinda finally got to meet the guy
who gave her the title for her thesis.  It was fun.  We left with fresh
green beans and cucumbers from their garden.

Betty

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At 08:20 PM 8/22/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> > Q.E.D., you DO care.  You really do!
>
>Ya gotta like a fella who mixes registers like this.

I want to know if he still gets organic vegetables delivered
routinely.  What are you cooking,  Nipper?

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At 07:47 PM 8/22/2003 -0700, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>I've posted a wide-angle panorama of last night's sunset and clouds over
>Foster City to my blog: <http://www.istori.com/log/>.
>
>I like it, even though I'm not sure why -- it's not a particularly
>spectacular shot or anything.  It is well-stitched, though.  I'm getting
>good with the tools (*and* they're excellent tools).

Pete, it is wonderful.  I loved the thunder last night.  Did it frighten
the little one?

Betty

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At 10:20 PM 8/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Terry Wild wrote:
> >> That was the best part.  It was a Karen words-l moment.  Terry wanted to
> >> hear broken glass but it was the best we could do.
> >>
> >> Betty
>
>
> > I had an ear to the background while we ate with Myles, waiting for your
> > spirit to manifest itself.  Maybe it was the water dripping off the awning
> > outside the window.
>
>No silverware fell on the floor?

Maybe an olive pit.

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As translated by the Alexishafen Catholic Mission in 1937:
     1. Mi Master, God bilong yu, yu no ken mekim masalai
        end ol tambaran.
     2. Yu no ken kolim nating nem bilong God.
     3. Yu mast santuim sande.
     4. Yu mast mekin gud long papamama bilong yu.
     5. Yu no ken kilim man.
     6. Yu no ken brukim fashin bilong marit.
     7. Yu no ken stilim samting.
     8. Yu no ken lai.
     9. Yu no ken duim meri bilong enaderfelo man.
    10. Yu no ken laik stilim samting.

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Ooopsim;

Oke, liklik kukim con kaikai bilong me;

>
>Oke bilong me liklik kukim con kaikai;
>Okay, my little cooked cornmeal;
>
>>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: Re: DNA
>>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 22:46:09 -0500
>>
>>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
>> > Dispela bringim disela giaman long longpela bilong em; Haw Haw Haw;
>>
>>Tok Pisin to me, baby!
>>
>>Karen
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> This is what Ms. Kay does.  It's called "bringing out
> the worst in people".

That's pretty good!  I think that's damned good, in fact.

THOSE WHO BRING OUT THE WORST IN PEOPLE

Natalie Maynor
Karen Kay
Bethany Dumas

I'm sorry I have to go now.

Ann

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At 10:26 PM 8/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Terry Wild wrote:
> >> No, it explains assertive questions, though.
> >>
> >> Karen
>
> > Is this just an Alabama behavior, or general southern?
>
>I think it's a characteristic of Southern speech.
>
> > I'm still pondering Natalie's statement that "Yankees are normally
> > <assertive> and blurt right out the requirements. "
>
>She didn't mean anything personal. And don't forget, for her, Betty is
>a Yankee, too.

Hmm.  I never thought of myself as anything except first generation
American.  I did notice Terry's accent a couple of times this week end.  I
liked listening to her speak.

Betty

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That must be the 'wegian peasant in me.


At 11:35 PM 8/22/2003 -0400, Marty Rosen wrote:
>Yes, she does have a tendency to be cold and thoughtless.
>
>>She didn't mean anything personal. And don't forget, for her, Betty is
>>a Yankee, too.
>>
>>Karen
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Marty Rosen writes,

>During one of those battles, David Farragut uttered the words "Damn
>the torpedoes, full speed ahead.

Built on land wrested from the ocean, Foster City has many
nautically-themed names for streets, etc.  Our neighborhood playground is
Farragut Park <http://www.fostercity.org/Services/recreation/13.cfm>, and
as it happens, the pics just previous to "sunset and clouds" were a
panoramic series taken yesterday evening from the middle of Farragut.

Pete

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At 10:57 PM 8/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Betty wrote:
> > At 09:27 PM 8/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> >> > Trader Joe's frozen avocado halves are great,
> >>
> >>Thank you! I've never seen these.
>
> > Who would buy half an avocado?
>
>It's like peach halves, Betty.

I want the half with the pit.

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At 08:44 PM 8/22/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > So can I. That's why I think you need to go back to
> > the dictionary if
> > you don't know what a pidgin is. Or ask.
>
>Pidgin is akin to patois, or broken pronunciation of a
>language unfamiliar to the speaker. I wasn't educated
>in Alabama, you know.

Isn't that where the Ten Commandants are?

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Please keep the list clean.  Mixed company, and all that.


>
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What is Mary doing?

At 12:25 AM 8/23/2003 -0400, Marty Rosen wrote:
>Please keep the list clean.  Mixed company, and all that.
>
>
>>
>>Boob typing?
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Enter for your chance to IM with Bon Jovi, Seal, Bow Wow, or Mary J Blige
>using MSN Messenger http://entertainment.msn.com/imastar

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02003-08-22 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > > > Well, as Clyde always says "Assumption is the mother of all
> > > > fuck-ups."
> > >
> > > And I think he is onto something there.
> >
> > Puh-lease ... E B White said it first.
>
> So you think you have to be the first for it to be onto something?
> There are very few, if any, new thoughts in the world.  Not talking now
> about scientific discoveries and such, but anything anybody thinks about
> life, philosophy, etc. etc. has been thought by many other people.

Unless it involves a scientific discovery. Ha!

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02003-08-22 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > > > http://www.msstate.edu/Archives/Words-L/crone.jpg
> > > >
> > > > Who is closest the camera?
> > >
> > > In main photo, Marsha Williams.  In top-right box, her husband, Clyde
> > > Williams.
> >
> > I didn't ask who he was.
>
> You asked who was closest to the camera.  Since two pictures were
> displayed, it seemed reasonable to give you both answers.

That's pretty literal, Dr Maynor, considering that the blaze
of purple featured quite prominently in my question.

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Do you get organic vegetables delivered?

02003-08-22 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> By golly, you're right and I'm wrong.  As an act of contrition, I'm posting
> the ten commandments as presented in the Everett Fox translation.
>
> Exodus 20
>
> 1      God spoke all these words, saying:
> 2      I am YHWH your God,
>        who brought you out
>        from the land of Egypt, from a house of serfs.
> 3      You are not to have
>        any other gods
>        before my presence.
> 4     You are not to make yourself a carved-image
>       or any other figure
>       that is in the heavens above, that is on the earth beneat, that is in
> the waters beneath the earth;
> 5     you are not to bow down to them,
>       you are not to serve them, for I, YHWH your God,
>       am a jealous God,
>       calling to account the iniquity of the fatherws upon the sons, to the
> third and the fourth
>              (generation)
>       of those that hate me,
> 6     but showing loyalty to the thousandth
>       of those that love me,
>       of those that keep my commandments.
>
> 7     You are not to take up
>       the name of YHWH your God for emptiness,
>       for YHWH will not clear him
>       that takes up his name for emptiness.
>
> 8     Remember
>       the Sabbath day, to hallow it.
> 9     For six days, you are to serve, and are to make all your work,
> 10   but the seventh day
>       is Sabbath for YHWH your God:
>       So you are not to make any kind of work,
>       (not) you, nor your son, nor your daughter,
>       (not) your servant, nor your maid, nor your beast,
>       nor your sojourner that is within your gates.
> 11   For in six days
>      YHWH made
>      the heavens and the earth,
>      the sea and all that is in it,
>      and he rested on the sevent day;
>      therefore YHWH gave the seventh day his blessing, and he hallowed it.
>
> 12  Honor
>      your father and your mother in order that your days may be prolonged
>      on the soil that YHWH your God is giving you.
>
> 13   You are not to murder.
>
>       You are not to adulter.
>
>       You are not to steal
>
>       You are not to testify against your fellow as a false witness.
>
> 14   You are not to desire the house of your neighbor;
>       you are not to desire the wife of your neighbor,
>       or his servant, or his maid, or his ox, or his donkey,
>       or anything that is your neighbor's.
>
> Verse 21 continues with an instruction omitted from these ten:
> A slaugher-site of soil, you are to make for me,, you are to slaughter upon
> it your offerings-up, your sacrifices of shalom, your sheep and your oxen!
>
> In fact, a series of highly interesting commands follows.  One wonders why
> ten is the magic number, and why this one, for instance, isn't considered a
> guiding principle in, say American law: "When men quarrel, and a man strikes
> his neighbor with a stone or with his fist, yet he does not die, but rather
> takes to his bed: if he can rise and walk about outside upon his crutch, he
> that struck him is to go clear."
>
> Or this one, which would seem to have some impact on one's notion of the
> legal rights of a fetus: "When two men scuffle and deal a blow to a pregnant
> woman so that her children abort-forth, but other harm does not occur, he is
> to be fined, yes, fined, as the woman's spouse imposes for him, but he is to
> give it only according to assessment.  But if harm is to occur, then you are
> to give life in place of life, eye in place of eye, tooth in place of tooth,
> foot in place of tooth, burnt scar in place of burnt scar, wound in place of
> wound, bruise in place of bruise."
>
> Sounds like here, a fetus is not accorded full status.
>
> Finally, please note that there's a Clark Gable marathon on TCM tonight.
>
> >From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> >Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >Subject: Re: house blessing
> >Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:33:38 -0500
> >
> >On Friday, August 22, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> >> In Espen's case it's clear, despite Natalie's faulty memory, that he did
> >> make the remark attributed to him.
> >
> >No, he didn't.
> >
> >> I occasionally have observed religious
> >> events myself, and some are quite beautiful and inspiring.
> >
> >He didn't specify whether he observed or participated.
> >
> >Karen
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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Ann Borkin writes,

>Pete's your man

Some of them:

alternative
assumptive :)
declarative
open-ended
or
rhetorical
tag
wh-
yes/no

Definitions left as an exercise, etc.  This sort of thing is why we need a
wiki.

Here is a cool pair of definitions of "question":

http://www.sil.org/linguistics/GlossaryOfLinguisticTerms/WhatIsAQuestion.htm

Pete

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X-Moment-Of-Dada: I spit with you, and throw my pants in your direction
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X-Jon-Carroll: We live in a culture of lies
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>> Who is judging the women?  I just want them to have all
>> the options open to Western women.
>
>Western women are as programmed as anyone else.
>
>Karen

I'm *still* waiting for Doris to report on what happens when she wears her
bathing suit to church.

Ken Miller
Conditional Correspondent
The Lostin Times

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Har! It must be an intellectually weighty rewording of "it
wasn't to do with the system, it was just an overload".

I plan to use this if there is a disastrous server crash.


02003-08-22 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Is this a troll, or are you just desperately uninformed?
>
> >From: John Williams <williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU>
> >Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >Subject: Re: peter noone
> >Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:04:53 -0500
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM>
> >
> >
> >> >An Industry Trapped by a Theory
> >> >by Robert Kuttner
> >> >
> >> >In the search for the source of Thursday's blackout, the underlying
> >> >cause has been all but ignored: deregulation.
> >
> >Um, what deregulation?  When you have a commodity that has to be
> >produced upon demand and cannot be stockpiled, and has the means of
> >production curtailed and the means of distribution eliminated in the
> >face of increasing demand, things like this are inevitable.  The only
> >factor left open to market forces is the price.  Anyone remember PG&E's
> >proposal about four years ago to moor a generating vessel in SF harbor
> >to cope with demands in excess of capacity, even then?  Oh, the
> >hilarity that ensued!  And that's even with the San Onofre nuclear
> >plant being built just outside of Phoenix, thank you California very
> >much...

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Three summers ago, the gigantic oak tree in the next yard over dropped two
branches across our yard.  These were no ordinary branches, no.  In
diameter, they were much like large trees, circa thirty-six inches (the
circumference of the tree is, as nearly as i can recall, something like 18
feet).  These branches destroyed the pool and the fences in our yard and the
next.  Fences and pools have been restored, but we now have sunlight in our
back yard.  Last year we installed two raised beds, three feet by twelve
feet, and about three feet tall, so now we grow broccoli, tomatoes, herbs,
cauliflower, lettuces, and so forth in the back yard.

As for cooking, I'm playing around with a lot of double technique dishes.
That is, steaming then sauteeing, or simmering, then grilling.  A couple of
weeks ago, the local fishmonger promised me a peck of live blue crabs, so we
planned a big boil.  The crabs didn't survive the trip, however.  So we
switched gears and made frogmore stew, a gloriously simple and festive dish
for which there are many recipes on the web.  For, say 15 people, this
entails buying maybe four boxes of Zatarain's crab boil seasoning (which
comes in a permeable bag), and boiling a huge pot of water.  Once the water
boils, toss in a half dozen or so quartered onions, three or four peeled
bulbs of garlic, and some celery, if you like, and the zatarain's, and some
cayenne, and maybe a half dozen halved lemons.  Oh, and some salt.  This
water can be as salty as seawater, in my view.   It's just a cooking medium,
which will be poured off at the end, and nothing is in it long enough to
pick up too much salt.  Also, you should be drinking beer at this point, and
if you're drinking something nice, with a regional ring, like Abita, or even
something from another continent, like Newcastle, pour half your bottle in,
or the whole thing, and get another.  You can even pour it in if you're
drinking something like Budweiser, but you shouldn't generally pour any
fluid into food that you wouldn't be caught dead drinking in public.

Let this boil for maybe 20 minutes to infuse the water with flavor.  After
about 20 minutes, toss in a bunch of red new potatoes, unpeeled, that you
have cut into quarters or halves (you want the units to be maybe the size of
a lime that's been cut in half.  The delicate thing here is that you don't
want these potatoes to get to done, or they'll soften up and crumble, which
will ruin the whole effect.  Potatoes are optional, and if you don't have a
sense of how they'll cook, you might be better off to skip them, or boil
them in a separate pan and add them at the last minute.  It won't hurt
anything.  But if you do so, you should spice up the water in which you boil
them.

Anyway, if you're bold, you put the potates in the big pot.

But if you don't, at the end of that twenty minute infusion, toss a bunch of
smoked sausage into the pan.  You can use kielbasa, or andouille, or any
smoked sausage.  What you don't want is any kind Italian sausage, which will
add fennel flavorings which would be fine if Frogmore Stew were an italian
dish, but it's not.

Let the sausage cook for five minutes.

Toss in some good yellow corn (don't use that fucking silver queen which is
too fucking sweet and turns mushy; you want yellow corn with well-defined
kernels, and maybe a bit of crunch.  This is not some effete dish filled
with subtle nuance.  It demands sturdy materials.  I break each corn unit in
half, and I allow one ear per person.  Let the corn cook for exactly five
minutes--from the minute you put it in, not from the time the water returns
to a boil.  While the corn is cooking you can, optionally, fish out one of
the spice bags, cut it, and pour the brightly colored spices back into the
water, where they'll fleck the corn and gradually cover things with red
speckles.  You don't have to, but it's a nice effect, and this stuff isn't
really all that spicy.

Then add a huge quantity of shrimp.  This should be gulf white shrimp,
preferable the 25-30 size.  Brown shrimp do indeed often taste of iodine.
This is the right size.  Don't peel these shrimp.  This is a dish to eat
with friends and if your friends are too shy to peel shrimp in front of you,
well, they aren't your friends.  They're the kind of folks you would never
invite to a houseblessing.  Also, if they're the sort of squeamish people
who think shrimp need to be deveined, they shouldn't be your friends anyway,
and you should abandon your sense of Community and eat alone.  For 15
people, you might use five pounds of shrimp.

Cook the shrimp for exactly three minutes.  Taste one, to ensure that it's
done all the way through.  It sure ought to be, but the few seconds it will
take you to taste it won't hurt anything.  Anyway, it'll be ready at three
minutes, unless physics are operating in some unusual way in your kitchen.

Now, you have a problem.  You have a kettle that probably weighs about 40 or
50 pounds and is full of boiling liquid and food.  I place a big roasting
pan, the sort you might use to cook a turkey, with a rack in the bottom, in
close proximity to the kettle.  Then, using some sort of large straining
device, like a colandar, or a straining basket, but any old tool that will
drain, and start fishing the food out of the pot and placing it in the
roasting pan.  If you're a wimp, you might need a glove.  You will fill that
roasting pan with a gorgeous steaming heap of shrimp, sausage, potatoes
(which you can add at this point, if you cooked them separately), onions,
garlic, and corn.  Carefully, carry this outside, put a couple of big
spoons, and maybe a pair of tongs, and go at it.  You can serve some hot
sauce, if you like.

And if you need to, you can do this with two kettles rather than one, as
long as you somehow balance the spices.

The ratio of ease to spectacle here is extremely favorable to the cook.
Prep time is minimal, and the result is outstanding.


>From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: chador
>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 21:06:22 -0700
>
>At 08:20 PM 8/22/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>>On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
>> > Q.E.D., you DO care.  You really do!
>>
>>Ya gotta like a fella who mixes registers like this.
>
>I want to know if he still gets organic vegetables delivered
>routinely.  What are you cooking,  Nipper?

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I think she's watching Clark Gable.

>From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
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>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 21:29:28 -0700
>
>What is Mary doing?
>
>At 12:25 AM 8/23/2003 -0400, Marty Rosen wrote:
>>Please keep the list clean.  Mixed company, and all that.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Boob typing?
>>
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Hmm, I don't care for the general trend here.  Now I'm just like everyone
you know, and I want so much to be special.  Besides, there's a difference
between missing the whole point of community and assuming a godlike
indifference.


>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
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>
>02003-08-22 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > You miss the whole point of Community.
>
>So does everyone I know ... It approximately extends up to some
>lame thing like "i'll fight like a tiger for my kids" and that's
>about it.
>
>Maybe there IS no point to "community" anymore.

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There's some sort of womanish exclamation often used on words-l to express
amazement at this sort of coincidence, but I sure can't remember what it is.
  I think it's always accompanied by exclamatory punctuation, from which I
am, by request, precluded;


>From: Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: DNA
>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 20:55:25 -0700
>
>Marty Rosen writes,
>
>>During one of those battles, David Farragut uttered the words "Damn
>>the torpedoes, full speed ahead.
>
>Built on land wrested from the ocean, Foster City has many
>nautically-themed names for streets, etc.  Our neighborhood playground is
>Farragut Park <http://www.fostercity.org/Services/recreation/13.cfm>, and
>as it happens, the pics just previous to "sunset and clouds" were a
>panoramic series taken yesterday evening from the middle of Farragut.
>
>Pete

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Is it "I unsubscribe"?

02003-08-23 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> There's some sort of womanish exclamation often used on words-l to express
> amazement at this sort of coincidence, but I sure can't remember what it is.
>  I think it's always accompanied by exclamatory punctuation, from which I
> am, by request, precluded;
>
>
> >From: Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM>
> >Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >Subject: Re: DNA
> >Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 20:55:25 -0700
> >
> >Marty Rosen writes,
> >
> >>During one of those battles, David Farragut uttered the words "Damn
> >>the torpedoes, full speed ahead.
> >
> >Built on land wrested from the ocean, Foster City has many
> >nautically-themed names for streets, etc.  Our neighborhood playground is
> >Farragut Park <http://www.fostercity.org/Services/recreation/13.cfm>, and
> >as it happens, the pics just previous to "sunset and clouds" were a
> >panoramic series taken yesterday evening from the middle of Farragut.
> >
> >Pete
>
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Betty writes,

>Pete, it is wonderful.

Thanks! :)

>I loved the thunder last night.  Did it frighten the little one?

Johanne and the kids were still out at the pool, and they got to see the
flashes.  It was too far away to hear, unfortunately.

Pete

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02003-08-22 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> You miss the whole point of Community.

So does everyone I know ... It approximately extends up to some
lame thing like "i'll fight like a tiger for my kids" and that's
about it.

Maybe there IS no point to "community" anymore.

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02003-08-22 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> >
> > This is what Ms. Kay does.  It's called "bringing out
> > the worst in people".
>
> That's pretty good!  I think that's damned good, in fact.
>
> THOSE WHO BRING OUT THE WORST IN PEOPLE
>
> Natalie Maynor
> Karen Kay
> Bethany Dumas
>
> I'm sorry I have to go now.
>
> Ann

FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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No.  See my related post.


>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: house blessing
>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 23:42:21 -0500
>
>Do you get organic vegetables delivered?
>
>02003-08-22 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > By golly, you're right and I'm wrong.  As an act of contrition, I'm
>posting
> > the ten commandments as presented in the Everett Fox translation.
> >
> > Exodus 20
> >
> > 1      God spoke all these words, saying:
> > 2      I am YHWH your God,
> >        who brought you out
> >        from the land of Egypt, from a house of serfs.
> > 3      You are not to have
> >        any other gods
> >        before my presence.
> > 4     You are not to make yourself a carved-image
> >       or any other figure
> >       that is in the heavens above, that is on the earth beneat, that is
>in
> > the waters beneath the earth;
> > 5     you are not to bow down to them,
> >       you are not to serve them, for I, YHWH your God,
> >       am a jealous God,
> >       calling to account the iniquity of the fatherws upon the sons, to
>the
> > third and the fourth
> >              (generation)
> >       of those that hate me,
> > 6     but showing loyalty to the thousandth
> >       of those that love me,
> >       of those that keep my commandments.
> >
> > 7     You are not to take up
> >       the name of YHWH your God for emptiness,
> >       for YHWH will not clear him
> >       that takes up his name for emptiness.
> >
> > 8     Remember
> >       the Sabbath day, to hallow it.
> > 9     For six days, you are to serve, and are to make all your work,
> > 10   but the seventh day
> >       is Sabbath for YHWH your God:
> >       So you are not to make any kind of work,
> >       (not) you, nor your son, nor your daughter,
> >       (not) your servant, nor your maid, nor your beast,
> >       nor your sojourner that is within your gates.
> > 11   For in six days
> >      YHWH made
> >      the heavens and the earth,
> >      the sea and all that is in it,
> >      and he rested on the sevent day;
> >      therefore YHWH gave the seventh day his blessing, and he hallowed
>it.
> >
> > 12  Honor
> >      your father and your mother in order that your days may be
>prolonged
> >      on the soil that YHWH your God is giving you.
> >
> > 13   You are not to murder.
> >
> >       You are not to adulter.
> >
> >       You are not to steal
> >
> >       You are not to testify against your fellow as a false witness.
> >
> > 14   You are not to desire the house of your neighbor;
> >       you are not to desire the wife of your neighbor,
> >       or his servant, or his maid, or his ox, or his donkey,
> >       or anything that is your neighbor's.
> >
> > Verse 21 continues with an instruction omitted from these ten:
> > A slaugher-site of soil, you are to make for me,, you are to slaughter
>upon
> > it your offerings-up, your sacrifices of shalom, your sheep and your
>oxen!
> >
> > In fact, a series of highly interesting commands follows.  One wonders
>why
> > ten is the magic number, and why this one, for instance, isn't
>considered a
> > guiding principle in, say American law: "When men quarrel, and a man
>strikes
> > his neighbor with a stone or with his fist, yet he does not die, but
>rather
> > takes to his bed: if he can rise and walk about outside upon his crutch,
>he
> > that struck him is to go clear."
> >
> > Or this one, which would seem to have some impact on one's notion of the
> > legal rights of a fetus: "When two men scuffle and deal a blow to a
>pregnant
> > woman so that her children abort-forth, but other harm does not occur,
>he is
> > to be fined, yes, fined, as the woman's spouse imposes for him, but he
>is to
> > give it only according to assessment.  But if harm is to occur, then you
>are
> > to give life in place of life, eye in place of eye, tooth in place of
>tooth,
> > foot in place of tooth, burnt scar in place of burnt scar, wound in
>place of
> > wound, bruise in place of bruise."
> >
> > Sounds like here, a fetus is not accorded full status.
> >
> > Finally, please note that there's a Clark Gable marathon on TCM tonight.
> >
> > >From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> > >Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> > >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> > >Subject: Re: house blessing
> > >Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:33:38 -0500
> > >
> > >On Friday, August 22, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> > >> In Espen's case it's clear, despite Natalie's faulty memory, that he
>did
> > >> make the remark attributed to him.
> > >
> > >No, he didn't.
> > >
> > >> I occasionally have observed religious
> > >> events myself, and some are quite beautiful and inspiring.
> > >
> > >He didn't specify whether he observed or participated.
> > >
> > >Karen
> >
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Marty Rosen writes,

>There's some sort of womanish exclamation often used on words-l to express
>amazement at this sort of coincidence, but I sure can't remember what it is.

This is probably where you're coming from: "What a co-inky-dink!"

Pete

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There was a time when it was actually possible to make a move with both
Clark Gable and Burt Lancaster.  No actor in history has ever delivered
likes like "Fire one" with the integrity and authority Lancaster brings to
his part in "Run Silent, Run Deep."  This is a movie with a lot of icons in
the fire.


>From: Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: chador
>Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 01:04:08 -0400
>
>I think she's watching Clark Gable.
>
>>From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
>>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: Re: chador
>>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 21:29:28 -0700
>>
>>What is Mary doing?
>>
>>At 12:25 AM 8/23/2003 -0400, Marty Rosen wrote:
>>>Please keep the list clean.  Mixed company, and all that.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
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Boy, back then movies were movies.

Burt's lines are like poetry: "Stand by to fire 2."
                                      "Red alert."
                                       "Fire three and four."
Now, it's like a study in acting styles:
Gable just said, "Sound collision, all ahead full."
And Lancaster repeated, "Sound collision, all ahead full."

Lancaster just said "Rig ship for silent running." And some third-rate actor
responded, "No unnecessary movement or talking."  Now, in a hushed, strained
whisper, Lancaster says, "all stop," as sweat pours down his brow and the
ailing Gable leans weakly against the periscope.

Ohmigod, a lowly seaman just coughed, and I think the guys in the Japanse
sub may have picked up the sound.

No, it's okay. Now they're going to surface, and a bold Lancaster has
decided no more cat and mouse games.  it's all ahead full, and "Commence
firing....fire three...fire four.... keep a sharp lookout Johnson."

Clark Gable says, "Fire 5.," then with a decisive scowl, he adds, "fire
six."

Oooh. That enemy ship is history;

>From: Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: chador
>Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 01:22:35 -0400
>
>There was a time when it was actually possible to make a move with both
>Clark Gable and Burt Lancaster.  No actor in history has ever delivered
>likes like "Fire one" with the integrity and authority Lancaster brings to
>his part in "Run Silent, Run Deep."  This is a movie with a lot of icons in
>the fire.
>
>
>>From: Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
>>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: Re: chador
>>Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 01:04:08 -0400
>>
>>I think she's watching Clark Gable.
>>
>>>From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
>>>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>>Subject: Re: chador
>>>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 21:29:28 -0700
>>>
>>>What is Mary doing?
>>>
>>>At 12:25 AM 8/23/2003 -0400, Marty Rosen wrote:
>>>>Please keep the list clean.  Mixed company, and all that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
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It's something along those lines, but perhaps with an element of punnery.


>From: Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM>
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>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>Marty Rosen writes,
>
>>There's some sort of womanish exclamation often used on words-l to express
>>amazement at this sort of coincidence, but I sure can't remember what it
>>is.
>
>This is probably where you're coming from: "What a co-inky-dink!"
>
>Pete

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Hmm, while waiting for The Misfits, Meryl Streep is talking about Bette
Davis. I suddenly realize that my whole impression is based on her movies
from the forties on.  In the thirties, she was damned hot.

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I sure would like to hear her say "Fire six."

>Hmm, while waiting for The Misfits, Meryl Streep is talking about Bette
>Davis. I suddenly realize that my whole impression is based on her movies
>from the forties on.  In the thirties, she was damned hot.
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I sure would like to hear her say "Fire six."

>Hmm, while waiting for The Misfits, Meryl Streep is talking about Bette
>Davis. I suddenly realize that my whole impression is based on her movies
>from the forties on.  In the thirties, she was damned hot.
>
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Here is the blurb for "The Misfits":  "A divorcee joins an old cowboy and
his partners rounding up wild horses for dog food.  Directed by John Huston.
  Actors: Clark Gable, Marilyn Monroe, Montgomery Clift, Thelma Ritter."


>From: Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 01:44:52 -0400
>
>I sure would like to hear her say "Fire six."
>
>>Hmm, while waiting for The Misfits, Meryl Streep is talking about Bette
>>Davis. I suddenly realize that my whole impression is based on her movies
>>from the forties on.  In the thirties, she was damned hot.
>>
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Can you say that in pigeon?

>Is it "I unsubscribe"?
>
>02003-08-23 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > There's some sort of womanish exclamation often used on words-l to
>express
> > amazement at this sort of coincidence, but I sure can't remember what it
>is.
> >  I think it's always accompanied by exclamatory punctuation, from which
>I
> > am, by request, precluded;
> >
> >
> > >From: Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM>
> > >Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> > >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> > >Subject: Re: DNA
> > >Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 20:55:25 -0700
> > >
> > >Marty Rosen writes,
> > >
> > >>During one of those battles, David Farragut uttered the words "Damn
> > >>the torpedoes, full speed ahead.
> > >
> > >Built on land wrested from the ocean, Foster City has many
> > >nautically-themed names for streets, etc.  Our neighborhood playground
>is
> > >Farragut Park <http://www.fostercity.org/Services/recreation/13.cfm>,
>and
> > >as it happens, the pics just previous to "sunset and clouds" were a
> > >panoramic series taken yesterday evening from the middle of Farragut.
> > >
> > >Pete
> >
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There are sparkles of rain on the bright
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Your eyes are wet and your lips
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Why have you stayed away so long, why have you only
Come to me late at night
After walking for hours in wind and rain?
Take off your dress and stockings;
Sit in the deep chair before the fire.
I will warm your feet in my hands;
I will warm your breasts and thighs with kisses.
I wish I could buile a fire
In you that would never go out.
I wish I could be sure that deep in you
Was a magnet to draw you always home.

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No, this is not right.  I was a bit confused by a couple of Fox's
translations, specifically 19.  "YHWH said to Moshe: Say thus to the
Children of Israel: You yourselves have seen that it was from the heavens
that I spoke with you."  But this definitely means, "Tell the Israelites
that it was from the heavens that I spoke with you [Moses]."  Not: "that it
was from the heavens that I spoke with you [the Israelites]."

Fox is consistent with every other version, that YHWH speaks to Moshe alone,
and it's the spectacle of lightning, thunder, and the smoking mountain that
the masses witness.  So, in fact, the first ten instructions are issued
separately, then there's a dramatic pause, after which Moshe returns to the
fog.  But why does the first group have more authority then the other
instructions that follow?  Basically, Moshe walks into a foggy cloud on a
smoky mountain during a thunderstorm, brings back the first 10, then, when
the people quail, goes back and gets some more instructions.

After all these instructions have been issued and the people have assented,
Moshe sacrifices some bulls and tosses their blood on the people, the people
say, "All that YHWH has spoken, we will do and we will hearken!" and the
covenant is sealed.  So the other clauses seem to be part of the contract,
not extraneous details.

After the sacrifice, Moshe goes back up the mountain to take delivery of the
stone tablets. That section reads, "Now YHWH said to Moshe: Go up to me on
the mountain and remain there, that I may give you the tablets of stone: the
Instruction and the Command that I have written down, to instruct them."

I think this was bad practice on the part of the Israelites.  They should
have had a written contract in hand prior to sealing the deal.  Perhaps one
of the things that has driven so many Jews into law and Talmud is buyer's
regret and a deep-rooted sense that 5,000 years ago our forebears made a
really fucked up deal because they didn't scrutinize the fine print before
slaughtering their bulls.

The whole affair sounds like the kind of thing you might run into at an
unscrupulous used car lot.  "Hold on a minute," says Moshe, just as you're
completing the deal.  "I've got to go back and talk to my manager." Then,
"I think you'd better add the undercoating.  It'll only cost you a couple
more sheep and some silly little dietary restrictions that you can ignore
when you eat in Chinese restaurants or at the ballpark."





>From: Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: house blessing
>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 22:43:17 -0400
>
>Ah,  I see now.  The first 14 verses (in this version) are given directly
>by
>YHWH to the assembled mouthbreathing masses.  They're so flabbergasted at
>being tod not to desire their neighbor's monkey, that they said to Moshe,
>"You speak with us, and we will hearken, but let not God speak with us,
>lest
>we die!"
>
>Then, to condense things, the people stand far off while Moshe approaches
>"the fog where God was."
>
>Now, if I were a preacher, I would make a big deal out of this text: note
>that God speaks from a fog, I'd tell my parishioners, the very fog of
>ignorance and stupidity, uh huh, and amen.
>
>Anyway, while in the fog, Moshe gets a bunch of directions about oxen and
>virgins, and sorceresses, and trickling grapes.  He brings these back.  The
>decalogue is public stuff, the other stuff is second hand, filtered through
>Moshe.  Thus, the decalogue stands alone, direct from the horse's mouth, so
>to speak.
>
>
>>From: Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
>>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: Re: house blessing
>>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 21:57:14 -0400
>>
>>By golly, you're right and I'm wrong.  As an act of contrition, I'm
>>posting
>>the ten commandments as presented in the Everett Fox translation.
>>
>>Exodus 20
>>
>>1      God spoke all these words, saying:
>>2      I am YHWH your God,
>>        who brought you out
>>        from the land of Egypt, from a house of serfs.
>>3      You are not to have
>>        any other gods
>>        before my presence.
>>4     You are not to make yourself a carved-image
>>       or any other figure
>>       that is in the heavens above, that is on the earth beneat, that is
>>in
>>the waters beneath the earth;
>>5     you are not to bow down to them,
>>       you are not to serve them, for I, YHWH your God,
>>       am a jealous God,
>>       calling to account the iniquity of the fatherws upon the sons, to
>>the
>>third and the fourth
>>              (generation)
>>       of those that hate me,
>>6     but showing loyalty to the thousandth
>>       of those that love me,
>>       of those that keep my commandments.
>>
>>7     You are not to take up
>>       the name of YHWH your God for emptiness,
>>       for YHWH will not clear him
>>       that takes up his name for emptiness.
>>
>>8     Remember
>>       the Sabbath day, to hallow it.
>>9     For six days, you are to serve, and are to make all your work,
>>10   but the seventh day
>>       is Sabbath for YHWH your God:
>>       So you are not to make any kind of work,
>>       (not) you, nor your son, nor your daughter,
>>       (not) your servant, nor your maid, nor your beast,
>>       nor your sojourner that is within your gates.
>>11   For in six days
>>      YHWH made
>>      the heavens and the earth,
>>      the sea and all that is in it,
>>      and he rested on the sevent day;
>>      therefore YHWH gave the seventh day his blessing, and he hallowed
>>it.
>>
>>12  Honor
>>      your father and your mother in order that your days may be prolonged
>>      on the soil that YHWH your God is giving you.
>>
>>13   You are not to murder.
>>
>>       You are not to adulter.
>>
>>       You are not to steal
>>
>>       You are not to testify against your fellow as a false witness.
>>
>>14   You are not to desire the house of your neighbor;
>>       you are not to desire the wife of your neighbor,
>>       or his servant, or his maid, or his ox, or his donkey,
>>       or anything that is your neighbor's.
>>
>>Verse 21 continues with an instruction omitted from these ten:
>>A slaugher-site of soil, you are to make for me,, you are to slaughter
>>upon
>>it your offerings-up, your sacrifices of shalom, your sheep and your oxen!
>>
>>In fact, a series of highly interesting commands follows.  One wonders why
>>ten is the magic number, and why this one, for instance, isn't considered
>>a
>>guiding principle in, say American law: "When men quarrel, and a man
>>strikes
>>his neighbor with a stone or with his fist, yet he does not die, but
>>rather
>>takes to his bed: if he can rise and walk about outside upon his crutch,
>>he
>>that struck him is to go clear."
>>
>>Or this one, which would seem to have some impact on one's notion of the
>>legal rights of a fetus: "When two men scuffle and deal a blow to a
>>pregnant
>>woman so that her children abort-forth, but other harm does not occur, he
>>is
>>to be fined, yes, fined, as the woman's spouse imposes for him, but he is
>>to
>>give it only according to assessment.  But if harm is to occur, then you
>>are
>>to give life in place of life, eye in place of eye, tooth in place of
>>tooth,
>>foot in place of tooth, burnt scar in place of burnt scar, wound in place
>>of
>>wound, bruise in place of bruise."
>>
>>Sounds like here, a fetus is not accorded full status.
>>
>>Finally, please note that there's a Clark Gable marathon on TCM tonight.
>>
>>>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>>>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>>Subject: Re: house blessing
>>>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:33:38 -0500
>>>
>>>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
>>> > In Espen's case it's clear, despite Natalie's faulty memory, that he
>>>did
>>> > make the remark attributed to him.
>>>
>>>No, he didn't.
>>>
>>> > I occasionally have observed religious
>>> > events myself, and some are quite beautiful and inspiring.
>>>
>>>He didn't specify whether he observed or participated.
>>>
>>>Karen
>>
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> Runaway
>
> [...]
> I wish I could build a fire
> In you that would never go out.

Oh, my ASS!

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>>She didn't mean anything personal. And don't forget, for her, Betty is
>>a Yankee, too.          --Karen
>
>I'm certainly not taking it personal, it's just something that I don't
>readily see in what I term Yankee (New England) behavior.
>Terry

Perhaps you have had to live in the South in order to see the
difference.  I certainly see it.  Take phone calls, for example.  A Yankee
will generally get to the point of why he called in the first three
sentences of the phone call.  A Southerner might talk for 15 minutes before
the point of the call is broached.

A Southerner will inquire about the waitress's general health and the
direction of her day.  Then the Southerner will ask a few questions about
the menu just to be polite and show interest.  The Yankee will simply order
his food.

At the Inn the other day a Southern guest, just to be friendly I'm sure,
asked questions throughout the day such as:  "Susan, now I don't mean to
bother you, but I was wondering if I might use this room key to lock my
door."  "Susan please forgive me for bothering you, but I read somewhere
about lemonade in the afternoon.  When is that?"   Etc.  Etc.   The Yankee
assumes when given a room key that he can use it to lock his door.  The
Yankee reads the entire page and knows that lemonade will appear at  4
p.m.    The Yankee Inn guest feels no need to be chatty.  If he needs
something, he speaks up.  Otherwise he goes his own way.


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Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > Close your mouth!
>
> She can't! She said she forgot how to smile for pictures, and that that was

I thought I was about to produce evidence that I used to know how to
smile with closed mouth, but I saw when finding the picture that the
mouth wasn't closed:

http://www.msstate.edu/Archives/Words-L/Misc-Pics/natalie.jpg

So maybe I've never known how to have a closed mouth.

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bonniev wrote:

> Isn't there a vaccination now that you can get against Lyme?

There's been one for dogs for many years, which would make you think one
for people might also exist.

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Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> In a piece on NPR, mention was made of the fact that
> the pursuit of genealogy has become so popular, there
> are now professional family sleuths.

There have always been professionals (or maybe not *always* -- but for
many, many years).  It's just that there are more of them now because of
the increasing popularity of genealogy.  The idea of hiring a
professional seems strange to me since the fun of genealogy is in the
sleuthing.  But some people don't really want to do the sleuthing but do
want to join organizations like DAR (why, I've never understood), so
they hire a professional to do the sleuthing and find the necessary
documents.

>  And there is a
> firm in New York that offers DNA tests for $159 a
> lick.

There are at least several places that do it, with prices varying
somewhat.

> Folks in law enforcement at all levels have
> always bemoaned the fact that forensic labs want way
> too much money to do this type of testing.  That
> doesn't seem like much money to me to arrive at a
> positive conclusion in a questionable case?

The price varies not only by which firm one uses but also by how much
info one wants -- there are various tests for various kinds of info.
Somewhere I have a piece of paper with some of the details, but I have
no idea where --  my tangential genealogy stuff is in a *gigantic* mess
right now -- in great need of some sorting.

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> >OMV.  I feel no need to talk about it.  My religious beliefs do not
>> >include proselytizing.  And what other reason would there be for
>> ><trumpeting> one's religion?
>>
>> I love your display of dysphemistic language! You are a master of
>> it! Do you do this with your students?
>
>What in what I wrote above do you consider dysphemistic?
>Proselytizing?  Trumpeting?

Yes. You have equated mere <mention> or <statement of fact> with such
activities as cajoling and SHOUTING. But maybe it's my fault. Since I
have never cajoled or SHOUTED on this list, perhaps you think that when I
mention something, I am intending to cajole and SHOUT. Perhaps I should
SHOUT occasioanlly so you will understand that I know the difference
between mentioning and SHOUTING. You are a better southerner than I am, so
perhaps I do not know all your <rules>.

Bethany

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On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, bonniev wrote:

>Perhaps you have had to live in the South in order to see the
>difference.

Or in the North.

>I certainly see it.  Take phone calls, for example.  A Yankee >will
generally get to the point of why he called in the first three >sentences
of the phone call.  A Southerner might talk for 15 minutes before >the
point of the call is broached.
>
>A Southerner will inquire about the waitress's general health and the
>direction of her day.  Then the Southerner will ask a few questions about
>the menu just to be polite and show interest.  The Yankee will simply order
>his food.

Well put. There is also an excellent segment in the video "American
Tongues."

Bethany

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Don't blood tests only cost a few dollars? In comparison to that, $159
> is a lot.

Blood tests cost much more than that for the mere patient, don't they?
It may be that the lab charges the doctor only a few dollars, but the
doctor charges quite a bit more for receiving the results and sharing
them, I think.

I have no idea what is involved in labs, whether they're testing blood
or testing DNA.  I.e., I don't know what kinds of instruments, skills,
knowledge are used in what kinds of configurations.  But I do know that
DNA testing can be of various kinds and to various extents.  The
kind/extent would affect the amount of work done in the lab presumably
and thus affect the cost.  (There might also be differences based on the
DNA source.  I have no idea about that.  I think the usual source for
genealogy involves scraping a swab thing in the mouth.)

When I say "various kinds," I'm thinking mainly of the two biggies:
Y-chromosome and -- what's the one that starts with an M --
misomething?  The Y-chromosome testing is the most useful for tracing
family trees, branches and sub-branches (related to how quickly certain
kinds of cells mutate).  But it's limited to males -- obviously.  The
other kind -- the m kind -- works for females, but I think it yields
much less info of the kind most genealogists are looking for but instead
places you into huge categories -- like which of the "tribes of Eve"
your ancestors came from.

I am waiting for Clyde the biologist to ROFL at my no-doubt
<questionable> biological discussion here!  I never managed to see a
thing through the microscopes in either hs or college biology.  Hated it
all except for being in love with my hs biology teacher (no -- we didn't
have an affair -- he was <virtuous>).

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Karen Kay wrote:

> You forget--they were trampled flowers. I trampled them with my butt.

Speaking of butts, do y'all find the butt-writing shorts as tacky as I
do?  I started noticing them sometime last year, and this year they are
rampant -- those short shorts worn by girls with things like "Go Dawgs"
printed across the back.

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Marty Rosen wrote:

> 6. Boiled peanuts are a disgusting scourge foisted on carpetbaggers by
> smirking southern clerks.

Once again I will say that if "clerks" are involved, you are not buying
boiled peanuts the right way.  That term doesn't fit with the real
sellers, who are usually old men standing beside old trucks on the sides
of highways, usually small highways, with hand-painted signs saying
"boiled peanuts" and -- this is the important part -- with the vat of
boiling peanuts right there beside them, either in the back of the truck
or on the ground beside the truck.  The peanuts are scooped out of the
boiling water and bagged in front of your eyes.  The idea of eating
boiled peanuts bought in a store strikes me as disgusting.

Re Alabama, I am loving what's going on with the Republican Gov and his
pushing for more Democratic tax mechanisms.  My RRB&SIL are no doubt
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Karen Kay wrote:

> I don't remember the linguistic term. I though we talked about this
> the other day. High rising questions or something? You find them in
> pidgin, too.

I've usually heard it simply called "question intonation."

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Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> I've posted a wide-angle panorama of last night's sunset and clouds over
> Foster City to my blog: <http://www.istori.com/log/>.

Nice!

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Terry Wild wrote:

> Is this just an Alabama behavior, or general southern?

General Southern -- and females to a greater extent than males, though
males do it to some extent.  There's a funny part in one of the various
versions of "American Tongues" (the video) where a comedian is saying
that the South lost the Civil War because the troops couldn't tell
whether "Charge?" was a question or a command.

> I'm still pondering Natalie's statement that "Yankees are normally
> <assertive> and blurt right out the requirements. "

We can discuss this more if you'd like -- but not at this instant
because I'm suddenly starving to death.  Y'all were mighty loquacious
last night.  I still have a bunch of unread mail but am going to take a
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On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Marty Rosen wrote:
>
>> 6. Boiled peanuts are a disgusting scourge foisted on carpetbaggers by
>> smirking southern clerks.

There is nothing good about boiled peanuts, regardless of where one is
buying them. They are indeed disgusting.

Bethany

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Terry Wild wrote:
>
> > She didn't mean anything personal. And don't forget, for her, Betty is
> > a Yankee, too.
> >
> > Karen
>
> I'm certainly not taking it personal, it's just something that I don't
> readily see in what I term Yankee (New England) behavior.

Your use of the term Yankee is of course much narrower than mine.  That
may be the first problem.  But I see the behavior in Yankees in general,
including New Englanders.  There are obviously exceptions, but in
general Yankees <get to the point> faster than Southerners.  (I don't
remember now exactly what we were talking about when I said that.)  A
Southerner engages in more preliminary chit-chat when conducting
business, for example.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I think you are SO PARANOID that you should take some chickweed cure.
>
> Paranoid?! Why?

Low self-esteem.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Who would buy half an avocado?
>
> It's like peach halves, Betty.

Who would buy half a peach?

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> On Friday, August 22, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > --- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> >> On Friday, August 22, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> >> >> You find them in
> >> >> pidgin, too.
> >>
> >> > And in yellow bellied sapsucker.
> >>
> >> You need to check that dictionary again, sweetie.
> >>
> >> Karen
>
> > I cannot approximate Mr. Rosen's mental acumen, but I
> > can spell.
>
> So can I. That's why I think you need to go back to the dictionary if
> you don't know what a pidgin is. Or ask.

This is surely not for real, is it?

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> On Friday, August 22, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>
> >> So can I. That's why I think you need to go back to the dictionary if
> >> you don't know what a pidgin is. Or ask.
>
> > Strikes me as a bit sadistic "Or ask"
>
> > Why don't you just tell her, my aromatic carpet cleaner.
>
> Because I think her comment was needlessly bitchy. And I don't have
> to. So there!

My mail seems to be out of order.  Whose comment was bitchy?  I found
Lynn's sapsucker joke a typical Words-L mild chuckle-evoker.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> On Friday, August 22, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> >> So can I. That's why I think you need to go back to
> >> the dictionary if
> >> you don't know what a pidgin is. Or ask.
>
> > Pidgin is akin to patois, or broken pronunciation of a
> > language unfamiliar to the speaker. I wasn't educated
> > in Alabama, you know.
>
> I'm so pleased for you!

I haven't seen Lynne's original yet (sorry for misspelling Lynne in my
previous posting, btw), but I will say that I find the above definition
of pidgin a bit <dubious>.  What I find funny about this thread, though,
is that Karen really does seem to have thought that Lynne thought
pidgin=pigeon.

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At 06:55 AM 8/23/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I am waiting for Clyde the biologist to ROFL at my no-doubt
><questionable> biological discussion here!

Why should I laugh?   I agree that the $159 DNA analysis probably falls
well short of the detailed analyses provided by a forensic laboratory.

As for costs, I can vouch that there are several levels of such
tests/analyses with concomitant levels of cost.

In all such medical or medico-legal analyses---blood, DNA,
what-have-you---a substantial part of the cost is in quality control and
establishing/maintaining the paper trail (i.e., demonstrating the integrity
of sampling handling, analysis, and reporting).  The folks sending you a
kit for $159 don't really care how you use it or why---or if, for that
matter.  I think it a fair bet that such kits come with a very long
disclaimer paragraph which translated into the vernacular says that the
only thing they guarantee is that if DNA is present, their kit will find it.

cwv

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Betty wrote:
> >A sudden memory spurt:  Re your Lutheran connection, Rita --  Did Ana
> >choose a Lutheran minister to be her stand-in grandfather on an
> ><occasion>?  Something like that is stuck in my memory.
> >
> >But now my tired brain and body are going to bed, looking forward to the
> >dawn though lamenting that the dawn is arriving later and later.  Fall
> >sux.
>
> Maybe you are getting her mixed up with me.  Born and raised Lutheran.

No.  Nor am I getting her mixed up with any of my dead Lutheran
ancestors.  Nor with any local Lutheran friends.  It had something to do
with Ana and a stand-in grandfather at a function, I'm pretty sure.

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Betty wrote:

> >in Alabama, you know.
>
> Isn't that where the Ten Commandants are?

Yes.  I'm a bit behind in news right now, though.  Did they perhaps get
ripped down yesterday?

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bonniev wrote:

>   The Yankee Inn guest feels no need to be chatty.  If he needs
> something, he speaks up.  Otherwise he goes his own way.

Good assessment, imho.  And it is this kind of thing that makes some
Southerners genuinely believe that "Yankees are rude."  Another
contributing factor, imho, is gap-time/overlap in turn-taking in
conversations.

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Lynne Weber wrote:

>>        No, we've had to hire a lawyer because
>>AMERICAN FAMILY SUCKS.
>>
>>        Seriously, all we want is a new bumper.
>>They told us to get
>>a lawyer because they consider the case adversarial.
>>  This
>>is a fucked up country.
>>
>
> Adversarial??  How so?


        We are mystified.  It seems fairly straightforward to us.
Now it will cost them more money cuz the lawyer has to be paid.



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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> A sudden memory spurt:  Re your Lutheran connection, Rita --  Did Ana
> choose a Lutheran minister to be her stand-in grandfather on an
> <occasion>?  Something like that is stuck in my memory.


        No, she chose Fr. Tudor, our priest, and brought him to the
grandparents day at her Lutheran school.  I think you're
just keying off her school stuff that I've talked about.




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02003-08-23 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Speaking of butts, do y'all find the butt-writing shorts as tacky as I
> do?  I started noticing them sometime last year, and this year they are
> rampant -- those short shorts worn by girls with things like "Go Dawgs"
> printed across the back.

I still haven't seen a single example.

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
> >I am waiting for Clyde the biologist to ROFL at my no-doubt
> ><questionable> biological discussion here!
>
> Why should I laugh?

I thought I was likely botching some of the <science> in my talk of
speeds of cell-mutation, etc.  I am extraordinarily ignorant in the
world of biology.  The only part of it I liked in school was genetics
since doing the little BB/bb Bb/bb etc. things was kind of mathy, and I
always found math fun.

> what-have-you---a substantial part of the cost is in quality control and
> establishing/maintaining the paper trail (i.e., demonstrating the integrity
> of sampling handling, analysis, and reporting).  The folks sending you a

Mention of the paper trail reminds me of another thing that some of the
DNA labs offer:  They put your info into a permanent database
(presumably only if you want it there, of course), where it is checked
against other people's data, already there or coming in later.  That way
you might discover other connections.

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On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Yes.  I'm a bit behind in news right now, though.  Did they perhaps get
>ripped down yesterday?

Perhaps, Natalie, you do not use langauge dysphemistically so much as you
simply misrepresent reality. A monument the size and weight of the
X Commandments in AL could not be <ripped down> - even if it were
suspended somwehre instead of sitting where it is - that makes no sense.

Or perhaps your language simply reflects wishful thinking - you wish the
AL X Commandments were simply a piece of paper - and perhaps you
wish that I would SHOUT and proselytyze so you could complain with
justification. Probably I will not do that.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Or perhaps your language simply reflects wishful thinking - you wish the
> AL X Commandments were simply a piece of paper - and perhaps you

Huh?  Why would I care?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>
>
>>You forget--they were trampled flowers. I trampled them with my butt.
>>
>
> Speaking of butts, do y'all find the butt-writing shorts as tacky as I
> do?  I started noticing them sometime last year, and this year they are
> rampant -- those short shorts worn by girls with things like "Go Dawgs"
> printed across the back.


        I think I commented on these last year when they first
appeared.  They make the girls' asses look twice as wide as
they really are.  Or maybe girls that dress like sluts just
have very wide asses nowadays.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         No, she chose Fr. Tudor, our priest, and brought him to the
> grandparents day at her Lutheran school.  I think you're
> just keying off her school stuff that I've talked about.

Hmm.  I guess that must be true -- that you mentioned the Lutheran
school, which led me to infuse Lutheran into non-Lutheran things.  I
think until recently that I did think you and Kevin and Ana were
Lutheran.

You said once that you sometimes also go to the Greek Orthodox Church
also, didn't you?  Or did I dream that?

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At 08:33 AM 8/23/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
> > >I am waiting for Clyde the biologist to ROFL at my no-doubt
> > ><questionable> biological discussion here!
> >
> > Why should I laugh?
>
>I thought I was likely botching some of the <science> in my talk of
>speeds of cell-mutation, etc.

Well, strictly speaking, cells don't mutate.  Genes mutate--and given the
fuzzy definition of a gene, i.e., a collection of DNA in a specific
arrangement at a specific site on a chromosome that controls one or more
processes or characteristics, one could talk about chromosomal mutation, I
suppose (although the purists would disagree).

cwv

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Terry Wild wrote:

>> No, it explains assertive questions, though.
>>
>> Karen
>
>
> Is this just an Alabama behavior, or general southern?
>
> I'm still pondering Natalie's statement that "Yankees are normally
> <assertive> and blurt right out the requirements. "


        My airplane book when I came up for the 'Fest was Travels
with Charley by Steinbeck.  He spends a the first part of
his roadtrip doing New England.  Now, I realize he was
writing in the 60's and times have changed, but I found the
descriptions of New Englanders hilariously innacurate.  He
actually trots out the mythological tactiturn speech
patterns that supposedly characterizes Yankees.
        Well, I can't recall the last time I had my ear talked off to
such an extent.  Every time I took Ralphie for a walk,
somebody stopped me and chatted.  I went to Dunkin Donuts
and the furriners behind the counter held forth to me.  This
happened in all four states we visited, and especially
Vermont.  I was nearly talked out by the time I got back to
Missouri.
        I thought perhaps Yankees only talk to Yankees, but there is
no longer anything to really identify me as a Yankee now
that I've lost most of my accent.
        Last night I was reading Me Talk Pretty One Day, in which
there is an essay describing the enormous rudeness of a
woman from North Carolina in New York City, and I think that
must be it.  Because they think Yankees are rude, they fire
the first salvo, and get what they give.  Now, I admit that
nobody at the Shaw's Supermarket Ma'am-ed me like they do at
Schnucks, but my GOD did they carry on a conversation over
those marshmellows.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Or perhaps your language simply reflects wishful thinking - you wish the
>> AL X Commandments were simply a piece of paper - and perhaps you
>
>Huh?  Why would I care?

Excellent question!

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >> Or perhaps your language simply reflects wishful thinking - you wish the
> >> AL X Commandments were simply a piece of paper - and perhaps you
> >
> >Huh?  Why would I care?
>
> Excellent question!

?

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> woman from North Carolina in New York City, and I think that
> must be it.  Because they think Yankees are rude, they fire
> the first salvo, and get what they give.

I have always guessed that people who regularly find other people rude
are indeed bringing it on themselves.  I remember hearing somebody talk
one time about a bicycle trip through Europe with his son, with stories
about the rudeness they encountered in France and then stories about
rude Germans, etc. etc.  Twas a beautiful example of a dramatic
monologue, imho -- the self-revelation therein.

It's true, of course, that most people have encountered somebody rude at
some point in their lives and travels.  There really are rude people --
or maybe people who are having a <bad day> and taking it out on whoever
is around.  But I think the world is full of far more kind and courteous
people.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        No, she chose Fr. Tudor, our priest, and brought him to the
>>grandparents day at her Lutheran school.  I think you're
>>just keying off her school stuff that I've talked about.
>>
>
> Hmm.  I guess that must be true -- that you mentioned the Lutheran
> school, which led me to infuse Lutheran into non-Lutheran things.  I
> think until recently that I did think you and Kevin and Ana were
> Lutheran.

        No, we've never been Lutheran.  Lutheranism (except for
Missouri Synod) is fairly close to Episcopalianism, though,
so we thought it was a good compromise for school (the local
Episcopal school is way expensive).  It didn't work out.
        Now, I do go to a few Wednesday night services during Lent at
Lutheran churches.  But that's because we do a Lent with the
Lutherans thing as a celebration of the concordat, and the
Lutherans come to service at St. B., too.  The experience
tends to be hilarious at times, and the Lutherans are <very
earnest> about everything.  But I think that may be a
Missouri thing because we have maybe 3 members at St. B. who
were actually born in this area.


> You said once that you sometimes also go to the Greek Orthodox Church
> also, didn't you?  Or did I dream that?


        No, sometimes I go to the Orthodox church -- not very often,
though.  I don't want to practice Orthodoxy anymore, but I
don't want to forget it, either.

        My spelling is even further off than usual this morning.  So
is my usage. Lynne will be correcting my posts again.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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At 06:28 AM 8/23/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > > Close your mouth!
> >
> > She can't! She said she forgot how to smile for pictures, and that that was
>
>I thought I was about to produce evidence that I used to know how to
>smile with closed mouth, but I saw when finding the picture that the
>mouth wasn't closed:
>
>http://www.msstate.edu/Archives/Words-L/Misc-Pics/natalie.jpg
>
>So maybe I've never known how to have a closed mouth.

That is a nice open mouth smile.

Betty

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Community is an interesting thing.  It's occurring right now in a tiny
community down the road from here, where something like 25,000
motorcyclists are convening and communing in the community of 200
residents.  And there are apparently communities within the community of
motorcyclists.  In today's paper there's a picture of a member of the
Christian Motorcycle Association visiting Stugis Elementary School
yesterday.  But the event is not for that specific association.  It's an
event that happens every year and is called something like the Sturgis
All-Bike Rally.

I was pondering it on my way to the p.o. a little while ago, noticing
huge clumps of motorcycles in this town that does not usually have many
of them.  I was wondering why these people find it fun to rally -- to
have a community based on their mode of transportation.  But then I
decided that it makes as much sense as any other thing that brings
people together.

Now, however, I have to decide whether to go to the Starkville Community
Theatre at 10:00 for a set-building day.  I don't know that I would be
of much use.  Yet I like the community theatre community.  And I like
Starkville community events.  Etc.
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At 08:19 AM 8/23/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>bonniev wrote:
>
> >   The Yankee Inn guest feels no need to be chatty.  If he needs
> > something, he speaks up.  Otherwise he goes his own way.
>
>Good assessment, imho.  And it is this kind of thing that makes some
>Southerners genuinely believe that "Yankees are rude."  Another
>contributing factor, imho, is gap-time/overlap in turn-taking in
>conversations.

But, but we have to butt in to get a word in edgewise with <some>.  There
is no turn taking. They just keep talking and talking and
talking.      :::yawn:::

Betty

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> community down the road from here, where something like 25,000
> motorcyclists are convening and communing in the community of 200

Correction:  The population of Sturgis is 280.  I found a website about
the rally:

http://www.sturgismsrally.com/rallyinfo.html#historyphotos

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Betty:

  There
>is no turn taking. They just keep talking and talking and
>talking.      :::yawn:::

How rude!

AS

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>I'm sure this started as a spoof of the big Sturgis Bike Rally.

Not necessarily a spoof, but an emulation. There are bike rallies in other
towns named Sturgis -- such as this one in Sturgis, Ky.

http://www.littlesturgisrally.net/

AS, who wouldn't be caught dead near any of them.

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        I'm sure this started as a spoof of the big Sturgis Bike Rally.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>
>>community down the road from here, where something like 25,000
>>motorcyclists are convening and communing in the community of 200
>>
>
> Correction:  The population of Sturgis is 280.  I found a website about
> the rally:
>
> http://www.sturgismsrally.com/rallyinfo.html#historyphotos
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>


--
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communities within the community of
> motorcyclists.  In today's paper there's a picture of a member of the
> Christian Motorcycle Association visiting Stugis Elementary School
> yesterday.  But the event is not for that specific association.  It's
an
> event that happens every year and is called something like the Sturgis
> All-Bike Rally.
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I'm confused.  Stugis school?  Sturgis
rally?  Just a coincidence?

Anyway, I think the biggest rally in the
country is held every summer at
Sturgis, South Dakota.  Coincidence?

               - D. M.

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>>
>> This is what Ms. Kay does.  It's called "bringing out
>> the worst in people".

> That's pretty good!  I think that's damned good, in fact.

> THOSE WHO BRING OUT THE WORST IN PEOPLE

> Natalie Maynor
> Karen Kay
> Bethany Dumas
> Ann



Karen

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This sounds like a fest feast.  Did you print it out, Rita?

Betty

At 01:01 AM 8/23/2003 -0400, Marty Rosen wrote:

>As for cooking, I'm playing around with a lot of double technique dishes.
>That is, steaming then sauteeing, or simmering, then grilling.  A couple of
>weeks ago, the local fishmonger promised me a peck of live blue crabs, so we
>planned a big boil.  The crabs didn't survive the trip, however.  So we
>switched gears and made frogmore stew, a gloriously simple and festive dish
>for which there are many recipes on the web.  For, say 15 people, this
>entails buying maybe four boxes of Zatarain's crab boil seasoning (which
>comes in a permeable bag), and boiling a huge pot of water.  Once the water
>boils, toss in a half dozen or so quartered onions, three or four peeled
>bulbs of garlic, and some celery, if you like, and the zatarain's, and some
>cayenne, and maybe a half dozen halved lemons.  Oh, and some salt.  This
>water can be as salty as seawater, in my view.   It's just a cooking medium,
>which will be poured off at the end, and nothing is in it long enough to
>pick up too much salt.  Also, you should be drinking beer at this point, and
>if you're drinking something nice, with a regional ring, like Abita, or even
>something from another continent, like Newcastle, pour half your bottle in,
>or the whole thing, and get another.  You can even pour it in if you're
>drinking something like Budweiser, but you shouldn't generally pour any
>fluid into food that you wouldn't be caught dead drinking in public.
>
>Let this boil for maybe 20 minutes to infuse the water with flavor.  After
>about 20 minutes, toss in a bunch of red new potatoes, unpeeled, that you
>have cut into quarters or halves (you want the units to be maybe the size of
>a lime that's been cut in half.  The delicate thing here is that you don't
>want these potatoes to get to done, or they'll soften up and crumble, which
>will ruin the whole effect.  Potatoes are optional, and if you don't have a
>sense of how they'll cook, you might be better off to skip them, or boil
>them in a separate pan and add them at the last minute.  It won't hurt
>anything.  But if you do so, you should spice up the water in which you boil
>them.
>
>Anyway, if you're bold, you put the potates in the big pot.
>
>But if you don't, at the end of that twenty minute infusion, toss a bunch of
>smoked sausage into the pan.  You can use kielbasa, or andouille, or any
>smoked sausage.  What you don't want is any kind Italian sausage, which will
>add fennel flavorings which would be fine if Frogmore Stew were an italian
>dish, but it's not.
>
>Let the sausage cook for five minutes.
>
>Toss in some good yellow corn (don't use that fucking silver queen which is
>too fucking sweet and turns mushy; you want yellow corn with well-defined
>kernels, and maybe a bit of crunch.  This is not some effete dish filled
>with subtle nuance.  It demands sturdy materials.  I break each corn unit in
>half, and I allow one ear per person.  Let the corn cook for exactly five
>minutes--from the minute you put it in, not from the time the water returns
>to a boil.  While the corn is cooking you can, optionally, fish out one of
>the spice bags, cut it, and pour the brightly colored spices back into the
>water, where they'll fleck the corn and gradually cover things with red
>speckles.  You don't have to, but it's a nice effect, and this stuff isn't
>really all that spicy.
>
>Then add a huge quantity of shrimp.  This should be gulf white shrimp,
>preferable the 25-30 size.  Brown shrimp do indeed often taste of iodine.
>This is the right size.  Don't peel these shrimp.  This is a dish to eat
>with friends and if your friends are too shy to peel shrimp in front of you,
>well, they aren't your friends.  They're the kind of folks you would never
>invite to a houseblessing.  Also, if they're the sort of squeamish people
>who think shrimp need to be deveined, they shouldn't be your friends anyway,
>and you should abandon your sense of Community and eat alone.  For 15
>people, you might use five pounds of shrimp.
>
>Cook the shrimp for exactly three minutes.  Taste one, to ensure that it's
>done all the way through.  It sure ought to be, but the few seconds it will
>take you to taste it won't hurt anything.  Anyway, it'll be ready at three
>minutes, unless physics are operating in some unusual way in your kitchen.
>
>Now, you have a problem.  You have a kettle that probably weighs about 40 or
>50 pounds and is full of boiling liquid and food.  I place a big roasting
>pan, the sort you might use to cook a turkey, with a rack in the bottom, in
>close proximity to the kettle.  Then, using some sort of large straining
>device, like a colandar, or a straining basket, but any old tool that will
>drain, and start fishing the food out of the pot and placing it in the
>roasting pan.  If you're a wimp, you might need a glove.  You will fill that
>roasting pan with a gorgeous steaming heap of shrimp, sausage, potatoes
>(which you can add at this point, if you cooked them separately), onions,
>garlic, and corn.  Carefully, carry this outside, put a couple of big
>spoons, and maybe a pair of tongs, and go at it.  You can serve some hot
>sauce, if you like.
>
>And if you need to, you can do this with two kettles rather than one, as
>long as you somehow balance the spices.
>
>The ratio of ease to spectacle here is extremely favorable to the cook.
>Prep time is minimal, and the result is outstanding.
>
>
>>From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
>>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: Re: chador
>>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 21:06:22 -0700
>>
>>At 08:20 PM 8/22/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>>>On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
>>> > Q.E.D., you DO care.  You really do!
>>>
>>>Ya gotta like a fella who mixes registers like this.
>>
>>I want to know if he still gets organic vegetables delivered
>>routinely.  What are you cooking,  Nipper?
>
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        No.  I'll be serving KFC.

Betty wrote:

> This sounds like a fest feast.  Did you print it out, Rita?
>
> Betty
>
> At 01:01 AM 8/23/2003 -0400, Marty Rosen wrote:
>
>> As for cooking, I'm playing around with a lot of double technique dishes.
>> That is, steaming then sauteeing, or simmering, then grilling.  A
>> couple of
>> weeks ago, the local fishmonger promised me a peck of live blue crabs,
>> so we
>> planned a big boil.  The crabs didn't survive the trip, however.  So we
>> switched gears and made frogmore stew, a gloriously simple and festive
>> dish
>> for which there are many recipes on the web.  For, say 15 people, this
>> entails buying maybe four boxes of Zatarain's crab boil seasoning (which
>> comes in a permeable bag), and boiling a huge pot of water.  Once the
>> water
>> boils, toss in a half dozen or so quartered onions, three or four peeled
>> bulbs of garlic, and some celery, if you like, and the zatarain's, and
>> some
>> cayenne, and maybe a half dozen halved lemons.  Oh, and some salt.  This
>> water can be as salty as seawater, in my view.   It's just a cooking
>> medium,
>> which will be poured off at the end, and nothing is in it long enough to
>> pick up too much salt.  Also, you should be drinking beer at this
>> point, and
>> if you're drinking something nice, with a regional ring, like Abita,
>> or even
>> something from another continent, like Newcastle, pour half your
>> bottle in,
>> or the whole thing, and get another.  You can even pour it in if you're
>> drinking something like Budweiser, but you shouldn't generally pour any
>> fluid into food that you wouldn't be caught dead drinking in public.
>>
>> Let this boil for maybe 20 minutes to infuse the water with flavor.
>> After
>> about 20 minutes, toss in a bunch of red new potatoes, unpeeled, that you
>> have cut into quarters or halves (you want the units to be maybe the
>> size of
>> a lime that's been cut in half.  The delicate thing here is that you
>> don't
>> want these potatoes to get to done, or they'll soften up and crumble,
>> which
>> will ruin the whole effect.  Potatoes are optional, and if you don't
>> have a
>> sense of how they'll cook, you might be better off to skip them, or boil
>> them in a separate pan and add them at the last minute.  It won't hurt
>> anything.  But if you do so, you should spice up the water in which
>> you boil
>> them.
>>
>> Anyway, if you're bold, you put the potates in the big pot.
>>
>> But if you don't, at the end of that twenty minute infusion, toss a
>> bunch of
>> smoked sausage into the pan.  You can use kielbasa, or andouille, or any
>> smoked sausage.  What you don't want is any kind Italian sausage,
>> which will
>> add fennel flavorings which would be fine if Frogmore Stew were an
>> italian
>> dish, but it's not.
>>
>> Let the sausage cook for five minutes.
>>
>> Toss in some good yellow corn (don't use that fucking silver queen
>> which is
>> too fucking sweet and turns mushy; you want yellow corn with well-defined
>> kernels, and maybe a bit of crunch.  This is not some effete dish filled
>> with subtle nuance.  It demands sturdy materials.  I break each corn
>> unit in
>> half, and I allow one ear per person.  Let the corn cook for exactly five
>> minutes--from the minute you put it in, not from the time the water
>> returns
>> to a boil.  While the corn is cooking you can, optionally, fish out
>> one of
>> the spice bags, cut it, and pour the brightly colored spices back into
>> the
>> water, where they'll fleck the corn and gradually cover things with red
>> speckles.  You don't have to, but it's a nice effect, and this stuff
>> isn't
>> really all that spicy.
>>
>> Then add a huge quantity of shrimp.  This should be gulf white shrimp,
>> preferable the 25-30 size.  Brown shrimp do indeed often taste of iodine.
>> This is the right size.  Don't peel these shrimp.  This is a dish to eat
>> with friends and if your friends are too shy to peel shrimp in front
>> of you,
>> well, they aren't your friends.  They're the kind of folks you would
>> never
>> invite to a houseblessing.  Also, if they're the sort of squeamish people
>> who think shrimp need to be deveined, they shouldn't be your friends
>> anyway,
>> and you should abandon your sense of Community and eat alone.  For 15
>> people, you might use five pounds of shrimp.
>>
>> Cook the shrimp for exactly three minutes.  Taste one, to ensure that
>> it's
>> done all the way through.  It sure ought to be, but the few seconds it
>> will
>> take you to taste it won't hurt anything.  Anyway, it'll be ready at
>> three
>> minutes, unless physics are operating in some unusual way in your
>> kitchen.
>>
>> Now, you have a problem.  You have a kettle that probably weighs about
>> 40 or
>> 50 pounds and is full of boiling liquid and food.  I place a big roasting
>> pan, the sort you might use to cook a turkey, with a rack in the
>> bottom, in
>> close proximity to the kettle.  Then, using some sort of large straining
>> device, like a colandar, or a straining basket, but any old tool that
>> will
>> drain, and start fishing the food out of the pot and placing it in the
>> roasting pan.  If you're a wimp, you might need a glove.  You will
>> fill that
>> roasting pan with a gorgeous steaming heap of shrimp, sausage, potatoes
>> (which you can add at this point, if you cooked them separately), onions,
>> garlic, and corn.  Carefully, carry this outside, put a couple of big
>> spoons, and maybe a pair of tongs, and go at it.  You can serve some hot
>> sauce, if you like.
>>
>> And if you need to, you can do this with two kettles rather than one, as
>> long as you somehow balance the spices.
>>
>> The ratio of ease to spectacle here is extremely favorable to the cook.
>> Prep time is minimal, and the result is outstanding.
>>
>>
>>> From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
>>> Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>> To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: chador
>>> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 21:06:22 -0700
>>>
>>> At 08:20 PM 8/22/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
>>>> > Q.E.D., you DO care.  You really do!
>>>>
>>>> Ya gotta like a fella who mixes registers like this.
>>>
>>>
>>> I want to know if he still gets organic vegetables delivered
>>> routinely.  What are you cooking,  Nipper?
>>
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
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>


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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Betty wrote:
>  I did notice Terry's accent a couple of times this week end.  I
> liked listening to her speak.

I noticed it at Acadiafest. I found it really offputting at first, but
only because in my memory she didn't have an accent.

Did I mention how much I like your short hair, Terry? I think it's
much more you.

Karen

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Betty wrote:
> At 10:57 PM 8/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Betty wrote:
>> > At 09:27 PM 8/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>> >>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> >> > Trader Joe's frozen avocado halves are great,
>> >>
>> >>Thank you! I've never seen these.
>>
>> > Who would buy half an avocado?
>>
>>It's like peach halves, Betty.

> I want the half with the pit.

Why?

Karen

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At 10:22 AM 8/23/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Betty wrote:
> > At 10:57 PM 8/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Betty wrote:
> >> > At 09:27 PM 8/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> >> >>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> >> >> > Trader Joe's frozen avocado halves are great,
> >> >>
> >> >>Thank you! I've never seen these.
> >>
> >> > Who would buy half an avocado?
> >>
> >>It's like peach halves, Betty.
>
> > I want the half with the pit.
>
>Why?

So I can plant it.

I have to go wash screens now.

Betty

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On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
[about professional genealogists]
> There have always been professionals (or maybe not *always* -- but for
> many, many years).  It's just that there are more of them now because of
> the increasing popularity of genealogy.  The idea of hiring a
> professional seems strange to me since the fun of genealogy is in the
> sleuthing.  But some people don't really want to do the sleuthing but do
> want to join organizations like DAR (why, I've never understood), so
> they hire a professional to do the sleuthing and find the necessary
> documents.

Some people hire a professional to write a report. They may have all
(or most) of the information and be incapable of writing it up
coherently.

Karen

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At 08:55 AM 8/23/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:

>He actually trots out the mythological tactiturn speech
>patterns that supposedly characterizes Yankees.

It isn't completely mythological---I've encountered it here from time to
time.  Grandpa Parsons (across the street) sometimes uses it---perhaps more
for emphasis or humor than as a typical pattern

>        Well, I can't recall the last time I had my ear talked off to
>such an extent.  Every time I took Ralphie for a walk,
>somebody stopped me and chatted.  I went to Dunkin Donuts
>and the furriners behind the counter held forth to me.  This
>happened in all four states we visited, and especially
>Vermont.

Yes, people will stop and chat---not all, but enough to make life
interesting.  On our walks we sometimes encounter Smitty and Mary, who live
up the street from us and are the champion landscape/yard care pair on the
island, or Dorothy and her dog Granite; they usually have something to
say.  If we live long enough, we may learn who is who on the island from
them.  The cashiers at the supermarkets usually ask how one is doing and
seem pleased when one returns the question.

The level on which the chat is conducted depends (no surprise) on how well
they know you.  And getting to be known does take a little time.  However,
once one is known and accepted, then all of the little gossipy tidbits come
out.

>Last night I was reading Me Talk Pretty One Day, in which
>there is an essay describing the enormous rudeness of a
>woman from North Carolina in New York City, and I think that
>must be it.  Because they think Yankees are rude, they fire
>the first salvo, and get what they give.

Bonnie and I have noticed this in our inn-sitting activities.  There are
those---luckily only a few---who expect to be treated badly and try to get
in the first shot.  They can be identified by their call:  "You wouldn't
say that/treat me this way if I wasn't a southerner."  Of course, some of
them may behave the same way in their native habitat.

>   Now, I admit that
>nobody at the Shaw's Supermarket Ma'am-ed me like they do at
>Schnucks, but my GOD did they carry on a conversation over
>those marshmellows.

It can be even better if one comes through the line with some unusual item.

cwv

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On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> > Who would buy half an avocado?
>>
>> It's like peach halves, Betty.

> Who would buy half a peach?

I suggest you stand by the freezer in Krogers and check it out some
time.

Karen

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  Just the ones that are of one mind.


>From: "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU>
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>On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >Marty Rosen wrote:
> >
> >> 6. Boiled peanuts are a disgusting scourge foisted on carpetbaggers by
> >> smirking southern clerks.
>
>There is nothing good about boiled peanuts, regardless of where one is
>buying them. They are indeed disgusting.
>
>Bethany

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http://www.courier-journal.com/features/2003/08/20030823harley.html
http://www.courier-journal.com/features/2003/08/20030823harley_dot.html

>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Community
>Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 09:47:59 -0500
>
>Community is an interesting thing.  It's occurring right now in a tiny
>community down the road from here, where something like 25,000
>motorcyclists are convening and communing in the community of 200
>residents.  And there are apparently communities within the community of
>motorcyclists.  In today's paper there's a picture of a member of the
>Christian Motorcycle Association visiting Stugis Elementary School
>yesterday.  But the event is not for that specific association.  It's an
>event that happens every year and is called something like the Sturgis
>All-Bike Rally.
>
>I was pondering it on my way to the p.o. a little while ago, noticing
>huge clumps of motorcycles in this town that does not usually have many
>of them.  I was wondering why these people find it fun to rally -- to
>have a community based on their mode of transportation.  But then I
>decided that it makes as much sense as any other thing that brings
>people together.
>
>Now, however, I have to decide whether to go to the Starkville Community
>Theatre at 10:00 for a set-building day.  I don't know that I would be
>of much use.  Yet I like the community theatre community.  And I like
>Starkville community events.  Etc.
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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The Sturgis rally typically draws nearly a half million bikers; or did you
say that;


>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
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>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > community down the road from here, where something like 25,000
> > motorcyclists are convening and communing in the community of 200
>
>Correction:  The population of Sturgis is 280.  I found a website about
>the rally:
>
>http://www.sturgismsrally.com/rallyinfo.html#historyphotos
>
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>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Betty wrote:
> At 10:22 AM 8/23/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Betty wrote:
>> > At 10:57 PM 8/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>> >>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Betty wrote:
>> >> > At 09:27 PM 8/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>> >> >>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> >> >> > Trader Joe's frozen avocado halves are great,
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Thank you! I've never seen these.
>> >>
>> >> > Who would buy half an avocado?
>> >>
>> >>It's like peach halves, Betty.
>>
>> > I want the half with the pit.
>>
>>Why?

> So I can plant it.

I don't think you can plant frozen pits.

> I have to go wash screens now.

Good for you. The tornado washed mine--and my windows.

Karen

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Betty wrote:
>
> >contributing factor, imho, is gap-time/overlap in turn-taking in
> >conversations.
>
> But, but we have to butt in to get a word in edgewise with <some>.  There
> is no turn taking. They just keep talking and talking and

I think the researchers who have researched this matter have used a
large number and variety of talkers, so that would be balanced out.  The
findings have been that the general Southern gap is ever-so-slightly
greater than the general Yankee gap -- slight enough that you don't
think about it consciously but present enough to make the Yankee seem to
come across rude to the Southerner and to make the Yankee think (not
necessarily conscious thought) that the Southerner isn't choosing to
take that turn and thus to jump back in, exacerbating the Southerner's
feeling of rudeness.

I decided not to go to the community theatre this morning.  I would be
more in the way than helpful probably since I'm a klutz at building and
such.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I interact pretty much every day with Yankees
> > and don't think about it with them since I'm used to Yankee sounds
> > coming from their mouths.
>
> But surely you don't think I sound like Terry?

I don't normally practice <dialectal analysis> in my social life unless
there's something really intriguing about somebody's dialect (or
idiolect).  I don't remember noticing anything <noteworthy> re the
sounds at Acadiafest.  I would put you and Terry into the same large
category:  Yankee speech.  But that would be if making very large slices
of the dialect pie.

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         I'm sure this started as a spoof of the big Sturgis Bike Rally.

Not a spoof, afaik.  I think I remember reading in the newspaper one of
the past years that it got started because the town of Sturgis shares a
name with a Sturgis somewhere in the North that has a big motorcycle
rally.  Somebody decided it would be fun to have a "Little Sturgis
Rally" in little Sturgis, MS, and that it would be a place for people to
rally who weren't able to go as far as wherever the bigger Sturgis is.
It's kind of fun seeing these huge fleets of motorcycles cruising around
the area, although I'm glad they aren't here all the time.  I hate the
sounds of motorcycles.  They seem to be everywhere in southern France,
riding along outside your hotel window at all hours of the night, etc.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I'm confused.  Stugis school?  Sturgis
> rally?  Just a coincidence?

Sturgis Elementary School in Sturgis, MS.  Sturgis Rally in Sturgis,
MS.  Iow, Sturgis is the name of the town.

> Anyway, I think the biggest rally in the
> country is held every summer at
> Sturgis, South Dakota.  Coincidence?

No.  Not a coincidence, according to what I've read.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> >  I did notice Terry's accent a couple of times this week end.  I
> > liked listening to her speak.
>
> I noticed it at Acadiafest. I found it really offputting at first, but
> only because in my memory she didn't have an accent.

I don't remember noticing Terry's accent any more than anybody else's.
I always find that it takes a few minutes at list events to get used to
Wordslers' accents -- as in getting used to the fact that Wordslers
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Why has Rashmi not yet made The Announcement?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I want the half with the pit.
>
> Why?

To plant it and produce more?

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Betty wrote:

> I have to go wash screens now.

Window screens?  I never wash my window screens.  Rain takes care of
them.

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On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I always find that it takes a few minutes at list events to get used to
> Wordslers' accents -- as in getting used to the fact that Wordslers
> *have* accents instead of being words on a computer screen.

I more or less hear people in their voices when I read their posts, so
this isn't quite as much an issue for me.

> I interact pretty much every day with Yankees
> and don't think about it with them since I'm used to Yankee sounds
> coming from their mouths.

But surely you don't think I sound like Terry?

Karen

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On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Why has Rashmi not yet made The Announcement?

She's in Bangalore till the beginning of September.

Karen

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On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> > I want the half with the pit.
>>
>> Why?

> To plant it and produce more?

Why would you choose to buy a bag of frozen avocados to do this with?

Karen

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At 11:13 AM 8/23/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I don't remember noticing Terry's accent any more than anybody else's.
>I always find that it takes a few minutes at list events to get used to
>Wordslers' accents -- as in getting used to the fact that Wordslers
>*have* accents instead of being words on a computer screen.  But once
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>about it.  I interact pretty much every day with Yankees and don't think
>about it with them since I'm used to Yankee sounds coming from their
>mouths.  With Wordslers I'm used to written words popping onto a screen.

I like hearing Rashmi's voice and it carries over unto the screen for a while.

Betty

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Who would buy half a peach?
>
> I suggest you stand by the freezer in Krogers and check it out some
> time.

I rarely go to Kroger anymore.  (Speaking of regional dialects, I
thought I had heard or read somewhere that putting an s on Kroger is a
Southern thing.  I've heard Krogers, though I don't think I've ever said
it.)  I'm probably going to Walmart this afternoon.  Would they have
peach halves?  We aren't talking, are we, about buying fruit that has
been cut so that you can see whether it looks good?  I do that with
cantaloupe -- buy one that's in a package of two halves.  I've seen
watermelon pieces in various sizes for sale singly, but I don't think
I've ever seen half of any other fruit sold separately.  (I wish the
stores here sold halves of daikons the way they did in Japan.  The ones
here are full size -- way too big for me, especially since they're
already old and soft feeling.  If we can grow kudzu so successfully in
Mississippi, surely we can grow daikons.)

And now that I look back at your words, I see that you're talking about
frozen fruits.  I don't think I've ever looked at frozen fruits in the
grocery store.

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Rashmi has left the room.

At 11:14 AM 8/23/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Why has Rashmi not yet made The Announcement?
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 11:16 AM 8/23/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > I have to go wash screens now.
>
>Window screens?  I never wash my window screens.  Rain takes care of
>them.

There was some construction a block away that created lots of dust. The
screens need washing.  No rain here.

Betty

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Marty Rosen wrote:
>
> The Sturgis rally typically draws nearly a half million bikers; or did you
> say that;

Here's what I said:

> > > community down the road from here, where something like 25,000
> > > motorcyclists are convening and communing in the community of 200
> >
> >Correction:  The population of Sturgis is 280.  I found a website about
> >the rally:
> >
> >http://www.sturgismsrally.com/rallyinfo.html#historyphotos


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At 11:14 AM 8/23/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > I always find that it takes a few minutes at list events to get used to
> > Wordslers' accents -- as in getting used to the fact that Wordslers
> > *have* accents instead of being words on a computer screen.
>
>I more or less hear people in their voices when I read their posts, so
>this isn't quite as much an issue for me.
>
> > I interact pretty much every day with Yankees
> > and don't think about it with them since I'm used to Yankee sounds
> > coming from their mouths.
>
>But surely you don't think I sound like Terry?

No, I don't think Terry's accent is off putting like yours.

Betty

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I don't think you can plant frozen pits.

Wouldn't the warm earth thaw them?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Betty wrote:
> No, I don't think Terry's accent is off putting like yours.

I didn't realize my accent was offputting.

I don't think Terry's accent is offputting at all--it was offputting
to me in the moment because it threw me into severe cognitive
dissonance. That's a slur on the poverty of my mental abilities, not
on Terry's accent.

Karen

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On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> I don't think you can plant frozen pits.

> Wouldn't the warm earth thaw them?

Freezing changes cell structure.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Why has Rashmi not yet made The Announcement?
>
> She's in Bangalore till the beginning of September.

I know.  But she hasn't always been there -- as in always since
Acadiafest.

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On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I don't normally practice <dialectal analysis> in my social life unless
> there's something really intriguing about somebody's dialect (or
> idiolect).  I don't remember noticing anything <noteworthy> re the
> sounds at Acadiafest.  I would put you and Terry into the same large
> category:  Yankee speech.  But that would be if making very large slices
> of the dialect pie.

Hm.

I don't think I have that slice available to me.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >> > I want the half with the pit.
> >>
> >> Why?
>
> > To plant it and produce more?
>
> Why would you choose to buy a bag of frozen avocados to do this with?

I wouldn't.  But Betty might.

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Betty wrote:

> I like hearing Rashmi's voice and it carries over unto the screen for a while.

Yes.  Rashmi's is one voice that I can easily make myself hear later --
as in I can turn on her accent in my head.

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Terry & I have begun picking up the Syracuse "a"s, and "r"s.  The "a" is a
softer version of the northern midwest "a" as in the word "say."  The "r"s
are hard "r"s...

'Cousins in Weedsport are having an imact.  ;-)

'Alan


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> On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > I always find that it takes a few minutes at list events to get used to
> > Wordslers' accents -- as in getting used to the fact that Wordslers
> > *have* accents instead of being words on a computer screen.
>
> I more or less hear people in their voices when I read their posts, so
> this isn't quite as much an issue for me.
>
> > I interact pretty much every day with Yankees
> > and don't think about it with them since I'm used to Yankee sounds
> > coming from their mouths.
>
> But surely you don't think I sound like Terry?
>
> Karen

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On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Betty wrote:
> At 11:27 AM 8/23/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Betty wrote:
>> > No, I don't think Terry's accent is off putting like yours.
>>
>>I didn't realize my accent was offputting.
>>
>>I don't think Terry's accent is offputting at all--it was offputting
>>to me in the moment because it threw me into severe cognitive
>>dissonance. That's a slur on the poverty of my mental abilities, not
>>on Terry's accent.

> Oh, okay.  You have the voice of an angel.

You run so hot and cold!

Karen

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>Yes.  Rashmi's is one voice that I can easily make myself hear later --
>as in I can turn on her accent in my head.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I am still unable to make list-Rita and fest-Rita into one
person.  Rita-in-the-flesh is totally unlike the Rita I had envisioned from
reading her posts.  In-the-flesh she is shorter, more pleasant, calmer,
quieter, more reflective, easily-charmed and charming, and an all together
delightful human being.  She does not appear to be the kind of  person who
might have high blood pressure or to be living a life with many, many irons
in the fire.


bonnie

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On Saturday, August 23, 2003, bonniev wrote:
> She does not appear to be the kind of person who might have high
> blood pressure or to be living a life with many, many irons in the
> fire.

What does a person like this look like?

Karen

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> > She does not appear to be the kind of person who might have high
> > blood pressure or to be living a life with many, many irons in the
> > fire.
>
>What does a person like this look like?
>Karen

Restless,  jumpy.   Moving from one activity to another.  Checking her
watch a lot.  Trying to pack many things into one day of vacation.  Pulling
out a To-Do list.  Keeping a close and worried eye on her child.  Etc.


bonnie

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At 11:27 AM 8/23/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Betty wrote:
> > No, I don't think Terry's accent is off putting like yours.
>
>I didn't realize my accent was offputting.
>
>I don't think Terry's accent is offputting at all--it was offputting
>to me in the moment because it threw me into severe cognitive
>dissonance. That's a slur on the poverty of my mental abilities, not
>on Terry's accent.

Oh, okay.  You have the voice of an angel.

Betty

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> Terry & I have begun picking up the Syracuse "a"s, and "r"s.  The "a" is a
> softer version of the northern midwest "a" as in the word "say."  The "r"s
> are hard "r"s...
>
> 'Cousins in Weedsport are having an imact.  ;-)
>
> 'Alan
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karen Kay" <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> To: <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> Sent: Saturday, 23 August, 2003 12:14 PM
> Subject: Re: DNA
>
>
> > On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > > I always find that it takes a few minutes at list events to get used
to
> > > Wordslers' accents -- as in getting used to the fact that Wordslers
> > > *have* accents instead of being words on a computer screen.
> >
> > I more or less hear people in their voices when I read their posts, so
> > this isn't quite as much an issue for me.
> >
> > > I interact pretty much every day with Yankees
> > > and don't think about it with them since I'm used to Yankee sounds
> > > coming from their mouths.
> >
> > But surely you don't think I sound like Terry?
> >
> > Karen

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Now I'm more puzzled than ever.  Richard Elliott Friedman's "Commentary on
the Torah with a new English translation and the Hebrew text
(Harper-Collins, 2001) has it this way:

Exodus 19: 9 reads, "And YHWH said to Moses, "Here, I am coming to you in a
mass of cloud for the purpose that the people will hear when I am speaking
with you, and they will believe in you as well forever."

Exodus 19: 24 reads: "And YHWH said to him [him being Moses], "Go. Go down.
Then you'll come up, you and Aaron with you.  And let the priests and the
people not break through to come up to YHWH, or else He'll break out against
them."  25. And Moses went down to the peope, and he said it to them.

Then we move to Exodus 20: 1, which reads: "And God spoke all these words,
saying I am YHWH your God..."

The commentary states: "God speaks the words of the Ten Commandments aloud
directly to the people."

Reading this quite closely, I can't quite make out where or how God is
speaking directly to the people.  It seems that he is speaking directly to
Moses and the people, at best, are listening in, which isn't quite the same
thing.  Moreover, if the people were in a position to listen in, the
transition from 19:25 to 20:1 doesn't quite parse:

Using the punctuation from Fox, this goes, without chapter and verse breaks:
"Moshe went down to the people and said to them God spoke all these words,
saying I am YHWH your God..."

That is, Moses went down and said, "God said..."

If the people heard the dialog between God and Moses, why does Moses have to
repeat to the people what God said?  Why doesn't he simply say, "Man, did
you hear that guy?  I guess we better toe the line.  Shall I go back and
find out what he wants us to do when a couple of guys get in a fight, strike
a woman, and cause her to have an abortion?"




>From: Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
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>Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 03:29:39 -0400
>
>No, this is not right.  I was a bit confused by a couple of Fox's
>translations, specifically 19.  "YHWH said to Moshe: Say thus to the
>Children of Israel: You yourselves have seen that it was from the heavens
>that I spoke with you."  But this definitely means, "Tell the Israelites
>that it was from the heavens that I spoke with you [Moses]."  Not: "that it
>was from the heavens that I spoke with you [the Israelites]."
>
>Fox is consistent with every other version, that YHWH speaks to Moshe
>alone,
>and it's the spectacle of lightning, thunder, and the smoking mountain that
>the masses witness.  So, in fact, the first ten instructions are issued
>separately, then there's a dramatic pause, after which Moshe returns to the
>fog.  But why does the first group have more authority then the other
>instructions that follow?  Basically, Moshe walks into a foggy cloud on a
>smoky mountain during a thunderstorm, brings back the first 10, then, when
>the people quail, goes back and gets some more instructions.
>
>After all these instructions have been issued and the people have assented,
>Moshe sacrifices some bulls and tosses their blood on the people, the
>people
>say, "All that YHWH has spoken, we will do and we will hearken!" and the
>covenant is sealed.  So the other clauses seem to be part of the contract,
>not extraneous details.
>
>After the sacrifice, Moshe goes back up the mountain to take delivery of
>the
>stone tablets. That section reads, "Now YHWH said to Moshe: Go up to me on
>the mountain and remain there, that I may give you the tablets of stone:
>the
>Instruction and the Command that I have written down, to instruct them."
>
>I think this was bad practice on the part of the Israelites.  They should
>have had a written contract in hand prior to sealing the deal.  Perhaps one
>of the things that has driven so many Jews into law and Talmud is buyer's
>regret and a deep-rooted sense that 5,000 years ago our forebears made a
>really fucked up deal because they didn't scrutinize the fine print before
>slaughtering their bulls.
>
>The whole affair sounds like the kind of thing you might run into at an
>unscrupulous used car lot.  "Hold on a minute," says Moshe, just as you're
>completing the deal.  "I've got to go back and talk to my manager." Then,
>"I think you'd better add the undercoating.  It'll only cost you a couple
>more sheep and some silly little dietary restrictions that you can ignore
>when you eat in Chinese restaurants or at the ballpark."
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
>>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: Re: house blessing
>>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 22:43:17 -0400
>>
>>Ah,  I see now.  The first 14 verses (in this version) are given directly
>>by
>>YHWH to the assembled mouthbreathing masses.  They're so flabbergasted at
>>being tod not to desire their neighbor's monkey, that they said to Moshe,
>>"You speak with us, and we will hearken, but let not God speak with us,
>>lest
>>we die!"
>>
>>Then, to condense things, the people stand far off while Moshe approaches
>>"the fog where God was."
>>
>>Now, if I were a preacher, I would make a big deal out of this text: note
>>that God speaks from a fog, I'd tell my parishioners, the very fog of
>>ignorance and stupidity, uh huh, and amen.
>>
>>Anyway, while in the fog, Moshe gets a bunch of directions about oxen and
>>virgins, and sorceresses, and trickling grapes.  He brings these back.
>>The
>>decalogue is public stuff, the other stuff is second hand, filtered
>>through
>>Moshe.  Thus, the decalogue stands alone, direct from the horse's mouth,
>>so
>>to speak.
>>
>>
>>>From: Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
>>>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>>Subject: Re: house blessing
>>>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 21:57:14 -0400
>>>
>>>By golly, you're right and I'm wrong.  As an act of contrition, I'm
>>>posting
>>>the ten commandments as presented in the Everett Fox translation.
>>>
>>>Exodus 20
>>>
>>>1      God spoke all these words, saying:
>>>2      I am YHWH your God,
>>>        who brought you out
>>>        from the land of Egypt, from a house of serfs.
>>>3      You are not to have
>>>        any other gods
>>>        before my presence.
>>>4     You are not to make yourself a carved-image
>>>       or any other figure
>>>       that is in the heavens above, that is on the earth beneat, that is
>>>in
>>>the waters beneath the earth;
>>>5     you are not to bow down to them,
>>>       you are not to serve them, for I, YHWH your God,
>>>       am a jealous God,
>>>       calling to account the iniquity of the fatherws upon the sons, to
>>>the
>>>third and the fourth
>>>              (generation)
>>>       of those that hate me,
>>>6     but showing loyalty to the thousandth
>>>       of those that love me,
>>>       of those that keep my commandments.
>>>
>>>7     You are not to take up
>>>       the name of YHWH your God for emptiness,
>>>       for YHWH will not clear him
>>>       that takes up his name for emptiness.
>>>
>>>8     Remember
>>>       the Sabbath day, to hallow it.
>>>9     For six days, you are to serve, and are to make all your work,
>>>10   but the seventh day
>>>       is Sabbath for YHWH your God:
>>>       So you are not to make any kind of work,
>>>       (not) you, nor your son, nor your daughter,
>>>       (not) your servant, nor your maid, nor your beast,
>>>       nor your sojourner that is within your gates.
>>>11   For in six days
>>>      YHWH made
>>>      the heavens and the earth,
>>>      the sea and all that is in it,
>>>      and he rested on the sevent day;
>>>      therefore YHWH gave the seventh day his blessing, and he hallowed
>>>it.
>>>
>>>12  Honor
>>>      your father and your mother in order that your days may be
>>>prolonged
>>>      on the soil that YHWH your God is giving you.
>>>
>>>13   You are not to murder.
>>>
>>>       You are not to adulter.
>>>
>>>       You are not to steal
>>>
>>>       You are not to testify against your fellow as a false witness.
>>>
>>>14   You are not to desire the house of your neighbor;
>>>       you are not to desire the wife of your neighbor,
>>>       or his servant, or his maid, or his ox, or his donkey,
>>>       or anything that is your neighbor's.
>>>
>>>Verse 21 continues with an instruction omitted from these ten:
>>>A slaugher-site of soil, you are to make for me,, you are to slaughter
>>>upon
>>>it your offerings-up, your sacrifices of shalom, your sheep and your
>>>oxen!
>>>
>>>In fact, a series of highly interesting commands follows.  One wonders
>>>why
>>>ten is the magic number, and why this one, for instance, isn't considered
>>>a
>>>guiding principle in, say American law: "When men quarrel, and a man
>>>strikes
>>>his neighbor with a stone or with his fist, yet he does not die, but
>>>rather
>>>takes to his bed: if he can rise and walk about outside upon his crutch,
>>>he
>>>that struck him is to go clear."
>>>
>>>Or this one, which would seem to have some impact on one's notion of the
>>>legal rights of a fetus: "When two men scuffle and deal a blow to a
>>>pregnant
>>>woman so that her children abort-forth, but other harm does not occur, he
>>>is
>>>to be fined, yes, fined, as the woman's spouse imposes for him, but he is
>>>to
>>>give it only according to assessment.  But if harm is to occur, then you
>>>are
>>>to give life in place of life, eye in place of eye, tooth in place of
>>>tooth,
>>>foot in place of tooth, burnt scar in place of burnt scar, wound in place
>>>of
>>>wound, bruise in place of bruise."
>>>
>>>Sounds like here, a fetus is not accorded full status.
>>>
>>>Finally, please note that there's a Clark Gable marathon on TCM tonight.
>>>
>>>>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>>>>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>>>Subject: Re: house blessing
>>>>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:33:38 -0500
>>>>
>>>>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
>>>> > In Espen's case it's clear, despite Natalie's faulty memory, that he
>>>>did
>>>> > make the remark attributed to him.
>>>>
>>>>No, he didn't.
>>>>
>>>> > I occasionally have observed religious
>>>> > events myself, and some are quite beautiful and inspiring.
>>>>
>>>>He didn't specify whether he observed or participated.
>>>>
>>>>Karen
>>>
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If you had a pair of nice shorts, you could have this phrase silkscreened on
the back.....

>Oh, my ASS!

Possibly the group should invest in a batch of words-l shorts before the
next summer gathering.  T-shirts are so last month.

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At 11:44 AM 8/23/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Betty wrote:
> > At 11:27 AM 8/23/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Betty wrote:
> >> > No, I don't think Terry's accent is off putting like yours.
> >>
> >>I didn't realize my accent was offputting.
> >>
> >>I don't think Terry's accent is offputting at all--it was offputting
> >>to me in the moment because it threw me into severe cognitive
> >>dissonance. That's a slur on the poverty of my mental abilities, not
> >>on Terry's accent.
>
> > Oh, okay.  You have the voice of an angel.
>
>You run so hot and cold!

I mistakenly thought you were being rude to Terry.  Did you know I'm old
enough to be her mother??  We had to put down our age and weight when we
went horse back riding.  I don't <feel> that much older.

Betty

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At 11:27 AM 8/23/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:

>Freezing changes cell structure.

Sometimes.  Many plants have seeds that must go through a dormant period
and be frozen before they will germinate.  However, given that avocado is
a---what?---tropical or subtropical species, I doubt that it has this
requirement.  Still in all, it's possible that freezing an avocado pit,
especially with the flash-freezing techniques now used with most frozen
food, would not produce enough crystallization to damage cell membranes.

cwv

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On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Betty wrote:
> Did you know I'm old enough to be her mother?? We had to put down
> our age and weight when we went horse back riding. I don't <feel>
> that much older.

You're not. You will always be young to me.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>like which of the "tribes of Eve" your ancestors came from.

That's the "Seven Daughters of Eve", first a book
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0393323145/peterkaminski-20>, and
then an associated mtDNA (mitochondrial) testing service, MatriLine, from
Oxford Ancestors <http://www.oxfordancestors.com>.

Oxford and other genealogically-oriented DNA testing companies:

<http://www.clanlindsay.com/commercial_labs.htm>
<http://www.cyndislist.com/dna.htm#Professional>

Pete

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Oh, also from today's paper:

http://www.louisvillescene.com/music/concerts/2003/20030823nittygritty.html


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Doris, Espen, and Ann.  Happy Birthday this week.

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On Saturday, August 23, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> Sometimes.  Many plants have seeds that must go through a dormant period
> and be frozen before they will germinate.  However, given that avocado is
> a---what?---tropical or subtropical species, I doubt that it has this
> requirement.

Is it a requirement for any vegetable that we eat regularly?

> Still in all, it's possible that freezing an avocado pit,
> especially with the flash-freezing techniques now used with most frozen
> food, would not produce enough crystallization to damage cell membranes.

Flash-freezing, yes. That would probably be okay.

Anyway, this is a really pointless conversation, unless someone is
willing to try the experiment.

Karen

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> Doris, Espen, and Ann.  Happy Birthday this week.

Thankin' ye

         - D. M.

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02003-08-23 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> >>You forget--they were trampled flowers. I trampled them with my butt.
> >>
> >
> >Speaking of butts, do y'all find the butt-writing shorts as tacky as I
> >do?  I started noticing them sometime last year, and this year they are
> >rampant -- those short shorts worn by girls with things like "Go Dawgs"
> >printed across the back.
>
>
>        I think I commented on these last year when they first
> appeared.  They make the girls' asses look twice as wide as
> they really are.  Or maybe girls that dress like sluts just
> have very wide asses nowadays.

I saw one today, finally! Actually it was a little girl, with no
real conception of the idea of a "slut".

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On Friday, August 22, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-08-22 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
>> You miss the whole point of Community.

> So does everyone I know ... It approximately extends up to some
> lame thing like "i'll fight like a tiger for my kids" and that's
> about it.

> Maybe there IS no point to "community" anymore.

Nah, human beans are creatures of community.

Karen

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bonniev wrote:

>> > She does not appear to be the kind of person who might have high
>> > blood pressure or to be living a life with many, many irons in the
>> > fire.
>>
>> What does a person like this look like?
>> Karen
>
>
> Restless,  jumpy.   Moving from one activity to another.  Checking her
> watch a lot.  Trying to pack many things into one day of vacation.  Pulling
> out a To-Do list.  Keeping a close and worried eye on her child.  Etc.


        Tee hee.  I never wear a watch.  I do have To-Do lists, but I
can't figure out how I'd make one for a vacation.  Hmm. 1.
Sleep late 2.  Finish several novels  3.  Sit on back deck
and watch hummingbirds with binoculars long enough to make
neighbors extremely nervous 4. lie out on the boat topless
and cause barges to run aground 5. re-learn how to play
poker and teach same to child  6. watch Dr. Phil every day.

        I do need to finish my little landscaping project within the
next hour or so, though, because I'm supposed to have read
two books for Monday's professional development meeting, and
I'm not sure where I put them.

        But it's more fun to play in the yard.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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02003-08-23 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Oh, also from today's paper:
>
> http://www.louisvillescene.com/music/concerts/2003/20030823nittygritty.html

What's this, some kind of penance for the "Niecy Nash" piece?
Honey, don't make me get into the Dr Phil of it all.

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02003-08-23 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Friday, August 22, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-08-22 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> >> You miss the whole point of Community.
>
> > So does everyone I know ... It approximately extends up to some
> > lame thing like "i'll fight like a tiger for my kids" and that's
> > about it.
>
> > Maybe there IS no point to "community" anymore.
>
> Nah, human beans are creatures of community.

I forgot to capitalize the "c".

I find your lack of imagination alarming, my apologies.

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On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-08-23 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Friday, August 22, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > 02003-08-22 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
>> >> You miss the whole point of Community.
>>
>> > So does everyone I know ... It approximately extends up to some
>> > lame thing like "i'll fight like a tiger for my kids" and that's
>> > about it.
>>
>> > Maybe there IS no point to "community" anymore.
>>
>> Nah, human beans are creatures of community.

> I forgot to capitalize the "c".

> I find your lack of imagination alarming, my apologies.

I find yours stunningly revelatory, my toe fungus.

Karen

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02003-08-23 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-08-23 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> On Friday, August 22, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> > 02003-08-22 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> >> >> You miss the whole point of Community.
> >>
> >> > So does everyone I know ... It approximately extends up to some
> >> > lame thing like "i'll fight like a tiger for my kids" and that's
> >> > about it.
> >>
> >> > Maybe there IS no point to "community" anymore.
> >>
> >> Nah, human beans are creatures of community.
>
> > I forgot to capitalize the "c".
>
> > I find your lack of imagination alarming, my apologies.
>
> I find yours stunningly revelatory, my toe fungus.

I find it unforgivably rude when you respond
ahead of your turn-taking interval.

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On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-08-23 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > 02003-08-23 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> >> On Friday, August 22, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> >> > 02003-08-22 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
>> >> >> You miss the whole point of Community.
>> >>
>> >> > So does everyone I know ... It approximately extends up to some
>> >> > lame thing like "i'll fight like a tiger for my kids" and that's
>> >> > about it.
>> >>
>> >> > Maybe there IS no point to "community" anymore.
>> >>
>> >> Nah, human beans are creatures of community.
>>
>> > I forgot to capitalize the "c".
>>
>> > I find your lack of imagination alarming, my apologies.
>>
>> I find yours stunningly revelatory, my toe fungus.

> I find it unforgivably rude when you respond
> ahead of your turn-taking interval.

Well, a good researcher takes that into account.

Karen

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02003-08-18 | Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> writes:
> Past the 100% Halal Italian Express (don't even think of asking me
> what that means, I don't know) and "Bibya Malik's Hair Salon", to

I'll be damned, "Bibya Malik" has a web site! www.bibya.com ...
It's pretty lame, though. She should have pictures like this
on the site:

http://www.cmp.caltech.edu/~mcc/India/Delhi/Bindi_1.jpg

That could be my little cousin. I find this picture hilarious,
the suppressed excitement is, like, LEAKING out of the screen ...

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02003-08-23 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-08-23 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> > 02003-08-23 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> >> On Friday, August 22, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> >> > 02003-08-22 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> >> >> >> You miss the whole point of Community.
> >> >>
> >> >> > So does everyone I know ... It approximately extends up to some
> >> >> > lame thing like "i'll fight like a tiger for my kids" and that's
> >> >> > about it.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Maybe there IS no point to "community" anymore.
> >> >>
> >> >> Nah, human beans are creatures of community.
> >>
> >> > I forgot to capitalize the "c".
> >>
> >> > I find your lack of imagination alarming, my apologies.
> >>
> >> I find yours stunningly revelatory, my toe fungus.
>
> > I find it unforgivably rude when you respond
> > ahead of your turn-taking interval.
>
> Well, a good researcher takes that into account.




























::: yawn :::

Can I speak now?

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On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> That could be my little cousin. I find this picture hilarious,
> the suppressed excitement is, like, LEAKING out of the screen ...

My favorite activity!!!

Karen

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On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Can I speak now?

Only if you send me a henna cone so I can decorate my body for you.

Karen

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02003-08-23 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Can I speak now?
>
> Only if you send me a henna cone so I can decorate my body for you.

It's OK, I have no speech left.

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On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-08-23 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > That could be my little cousin. I find this picture hilarious,
>> > the suppressed excitement is, like, LEAKING out of the screen ...
>>
>> My favorite activity!!!

> Well it DID originate in Austin ...

Not.

> May I smell your hand?

Okay.

Will you lick the palm?

Karen

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On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-08-23 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > Can I speak now?
>>
>> Only if you send me a henna cone so I can decorate my body for you.

> It's OK, I have no speech left.

YaY! My work here is done.

Karen

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02003-08-23 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> > That could be my little cousin. I find this picture hilarious,
> >> > the suppressed excitement is, like, LEAKING out of the screen ...
> >>
> >> My favorite activity!!!
>
> > Well it DID originate in Austin ...
>
> Not.

Berkeley?

> > May I smell your hand?
>
> Okay.
>
> Will you lick the palm?

You don't know where this mouth has been.

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02003-08-22 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > What's an activity?
>
> Oh, like bingo, belly-dancing, Burning Man - and those are just some of
> the 'b's !

how about some Cs now/

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02003-08-23 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-08-23 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> > Can I speak now?
> >>
> >> Only if you send me a henna cone so I can decorate my body for you.
>
> > It's OK, I have no speech left.
>
> YaY! My work here is done.

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On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-08-23 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> >> > That could be my little cousin. I find this picture hilarious,
>> >> > the suppressed excitement is, like, LEAKING out of the screen ...
>> >>
>> >> My favorite activity!!!
>>
>> > Well it DID originate in Austin ...
>>
>> Not.

> Berkeley?

>> > May I smell your hand?
>>
>> Okay.
>>
>> Will you lick the palm?

> You don't know where this mouth has been.

I thought you had no speech left?

Karen

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More expensive than that other one, but so is the pre-bargain computer a
step or so up:

                         Loaded Centrino Dell Notebook Deal, Aug 23

                         Dell Home has a 4.9lb/1.29" thin Inspiron
Notebook
                         PentiumM-1.3Ghz 512MB DDR Memory/40GB HD,
                         CDRW/DVD, 14.1" Screen, 802.11b wireless card,
Ethernet, 6
                         months ISP, Word Perfect Pack, XP home $1599 -
$300 rebate
                         - $100 off $1499 coupon: 2238BF7AF5A8 = $1199
shipped free,
                         no tax in most areas.

                         This config costs $1526 through normal
configuration,
                         $1476+tax in Dell Small Business.
                         $300 rebate Exp 8/27/03

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bonniev wrote:
> She does not appear to be the kind of  person who
> might have high blood pressure or to be living a life with many, many irons
> in the fire.

Then again, it might take somebody with a pretty laid-back <core> to be
able to survive with as many irons as she routinely seems to have in the
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Betty wrote:
>
> Doris, Espen, and Ann.  Happy Birthday this week.

I started to ask which Doris but then remembered that of course I know
when Doris Smith's birthday is.  Which Ann?  Annbork?  abht?

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, DEA!

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- D.M.:
> I think you see them every day.

Name three.

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> I don't remember that precise thread, but that sounds reasonable to me.

You go ahead on, Natalie, that'll be super.

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Natalie:
> I feel sure that you've seen many of them.

Name four.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I find it unforgivably rude when you respond
> > ahead of your turn-taking interval.
>
> Well, a good researcher takes that into account.

I haven't succeeded in figuring it out in the years that I've been
noticing it.  Maybe your computer's clock is set a minute or so ahead of
everybody else's.

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hominy cricket wrote:
> > I feel sure that you've seen many of them.
>
> Name four.

Tom, Dick, Harry, Jane.

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At 11:57 AM 8/23/2003 -0400, Marty Rosen wrote:
>http://www.courier-journal.com/features/2003/08/20030823harley.html
>http://www.courier-journal.com/features/2003/08/20030823harley_dot.html

Cool

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When Niecy made that remark about Doctor Phil, I said, "Who?"  She said,
"Dr. Phil;"  I said,
Who?" She said, "Dr.  Phil.   You know.  Dr. Phil?"  When I mentioned Newton
Minow, she said, "Who?"  I said, "Oh, never mind.  Any chance I get to you
come clean out my office?"

To be honest, I figured this was an interchange almost certain to be lost on
my readers.  It's a words-l exclusive.

When I get around to it, you'll get the scoop on how Adam Brodsky really
feels about Adam Hartfield. And you'll get the astonishing, hard to believe,
story of "the nosh pit question."

>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
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>Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:22:01 -0500
>
>02003-08-23 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > Oh, also from today's paper:
> >
> >
>http://www.louisvillescene.com/music/concerts/2003/20030823nittygritty.html
>
>What's this, some kind of penance for the "Niecy Nash" piece?
>Honey, don't make me get into the Dr Phil of it all.

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02003-08-23 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> When Niecy made that remark about Doctor Phil, I said, "Who?"  She said,
> "Dr. Phil;"  I said,
> Who?" She said, "Dr.  Phil.   You know.  Dr. Phil?"  When I mentioned Newton
> Minow, she said, "Who?"  I said, "Oh, never mind.  Any chance I get to you
> come clean out my office?"

I am cleaning my (old) apartment right now, and as usual, right now
I feel I should be in the cleaning business. How incredibly lame is
that? This is exactly why I never try anything domestic and st00pid.
I fear I might get into it too much. I even posted a for-sale ad about
a bookcase and an ugly microwave. Instead of simply leaving them in
the alley, I mean. I guess when they come by I will give it to them
for free.

> To be honest, I figured this was an interchange almost certain to be lost on
> my readers.  It's a words-l exclusive.

Three thousand thankyous.

> When I get around to it, you'll get the scoop on how Adam Brodsky really
> feels about Adam Hartfield. And you'll get the astonishing, hard to believe,
> story of "the nosh pit question."

Thanks whales.

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>I am cleaning my (old) apartment right now, and as usual, right now
>I feel I should be in the cleaning business. How incredibly lame is
>that? This is exactly why I never try anything domestic and st00pid.
>I fear I might get into it too much. I even posted a for-sale ad about
>a bookcase and an ugly microwave. Instead of simply leaving them in
>the alley, I mean. I guess when they come by I will give it to them
>for free.

No, you should be the host of a zany reality television show.


> > To be honest, I figured this was an interchange almost certain to be
>lost on
> > my readers.  It's a words-l exclusive.
>
>Three thousand thankyous.
>
> > When I get around to it, you'll get the scoop on how Adam Brodsky really
> > feels about Adam Hartfield. And you'll get the astonishing, hard to
>believe,
> > story of "the nosh pit question."
>
>Thanks whales.

A pussum's litter of you're welcomes, my fragrant ginger altoid.

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The trees outside my first floor window and across the street make
the "view" well worth it. However, somesone has picked one massive
specimen to tie a cheap-ass "bow" around, with what looks like duct
tape. Is there any meaning to it? Somebody remembering something?

I think it looks ugly. Moreover, due to the shape of the tree and
the knot, etc, it is reminiscent of Manet's Odalisque, which is
(a) a disgusting resemblance no matter what nude venus it was and
(b) especially disgusting since the Manet one is a really STUPID
painting. Anyhow, I am not against adorning trees per se but this
is the worst.

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02003-08-23 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> How about "bindi for the western guy?"

That doesn't rhyme at all!

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May I ask, Ms. Kay, what sort of accent you have?  Why
should it be put-offish?


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On 23 Aug 2003 at 17:13, Tushar Samant wrote:

> Is there any meaning to it?

Is it yellow?

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In answer to a query you posted some time ago, members
of the University of Oregon football team are ducks.
Oregon Staters are beavers.  I would rather not
speculate on what would appear on Starkville menus if
the beavers came to town.

Question:  Has Spencer ever reacted violently to the
sound of a smoke alarm doing its thing?

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--- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > The trees outside my first floor window and across
> the street make
> > the "view" well worth it. However, somesone has
> picked one massive
> > specimen to tie a cheap-ass "bow" around, with
> what looks like duct
> > tape. Is there any meaning to it? Somebody
> remembering something?
>
> What color?

Sheesh!  And Southerners and ignorant and ill-informed?:-]

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On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Betty wrote:

>Doris, Espen, and Ann.  Happy Birthday this week.

And also from me.

Bethany

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> Question:  Has Spencer ever reacted violently to the
> sound of a smoke alarm doing its thing?

I don't think he has ever heard one.  He's fairly laid-back about
sounds.  He notes unexpected sounds with a look of interest but then
seems to shrug his shoulders and go back to whatever he was doing,
unlike Bernardykins, who freaked mightily at strange sounds.  He hated
football games because of the canons.  I don't know whether they still
do canon-firing at fb games.  I think maybe not.  That was a passing
fad, I guess.  Since I live farther away now, I don't hear the sounds as
clearly.

I just remembered that I had meant to give Spencer a bath today and
apply new Advantage.  I'll add that to tomorrow's to-do list.  Today has
somehow evaporated.

Oh -- I did go grocery shopping this afternoon and looked for frozen
halves, but I didn't see any.  While I was there, I got confused about
whether it was a frozen avocado pit I was supposed to plant or a frozen
pear pit.  Or was it peach?  Doesn't matter since I saw none of the
above in Wmart.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 06:10 PM 8/23/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>   He hated
>football games because of the canons.  I don't know whether they still
>do canon-firing at fb games.

It certainly is a good idea.  Do they fire the canons out of cannons?

cwv

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On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> > > What's an activity?
> > Oh, like bingo, belly-dancing, Burning Man - and those are just some of
> > the 'b's !
> how about some Cs now/

Canasta is the only 'c'.  Well, there's coke-snorting of course.

Ann

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How about "bindi for the colonial g"


>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
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>02003-08-23 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > How about "bindi for the western guy?"
>
>That doesn't rhyme at all!

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02003-08-23 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > > > What's an activity?
> > > Oh, like bingo, belly-dancing, Burning Man - and those are just some of
> > > the 'b's !
> > how about some Cs now/
>
> Canasta is the only 'c'.  Well, there's coke-snorting of course.

Not even any 'ch'?

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02003-08-23 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> How about "bindi for the colonial g"

Now all we need is construe it.

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02003-08-23 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@FLEX.COM> writes:
> On 23 Aug 2003 at 17:13, Tushar Samant wrote:
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> > Is there any meaning to it?
>
> Is it yellow?

No. There are many yellows elsewhere ...

Maybe this is "yellow enough"--it's shiny silver.

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> It certainly is a good idea.  Do they fire the canons out of cannons?

Yes.  Makes for a real mess with the canons flying all over the stadium
crashing into people, but I guess the idea was to uphold the idea that a
university is a place for knowledge.  There had to be votes every year
about appropriate canons, though, and the fighting got ferocious between
the dead-white-male promoters and the trendier-canon promoters.  And
then there were those who thought the canon should be limited to things
like collections of Ole Miss jokes and Bully Bites recipes and such.
And there was the question of whether religious canons should be
allowed, given separation of church and state and all that.  Maybe it
was because of the arguments about the canons that they stopped dragging
out the cannons to fire the canons into the crowd.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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I think you should wear purple shorts with Tush Ar printed in orange on the
back.  This will be a bit zany.


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>02003-08-23 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > How about "bindi for the colonial g"
>
>Now all we need is construe it.

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02003-08-23 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> I think you should wear purple shorts with Tush Ar printed in orange on the
> back.  This will be a bit zany.

That's WAY wacky ... I don't think it has a chance on network TV ...

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Just because you are all so nice I am going to share our favorite recipe of this summer.  We found it in a magazine for "light cooking".
It is delicious, and the peaches are so good this year.  Try it.  You'll like it.  It's what we're
having tonight, along with some cole slaw with
fresh cucumbers and red and green peppers.

                 - D. M.

Bourbon-glazed Pork Chops with Peaches

 

1/3 cup bourbon

¼ cup honey

3 T soy sauce

1 T vegetable oil

½ tsp ground ginger

¼ tsp crushed red pepper

¼ tsp ground black pepper

4 boneless center-cut loin pork chops

2 peaches, halved and pitted

cooking spray

 

Combine first 7 ingredients in a bowl.  Add chops and peaches.

Heat non-stick grill pan coated with spray, on medium heat. 

Place pork and peaches on the grill.  Cook 4 minutes on each

side.  While they cook, microwave marinade on high for

two minutes.  Spoon over pork and peaches on platter.

Note:  I use a George Foreman grill and cook both sides at

once, total of 4 minutes.  Since I have a small grill, I do the

pork, then the peaches)

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Are avocados a fruit or vegetable?

Karen

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> Bourbon-glazed Pork Chops with Peaches


I will try it, and promise not to sample the glaze
before cooking.  Merci.

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clyde w. voigtlander wrote:


> Bonnie and I have noticed this in our inn-sitting activities.  There are
> those---luckily only a few---who expect to be treated badly and try to get
> in the first shot.  They can be identified by their call:  "You wouldn't
> say that/treat me this way if I wasn't a southerner."  Of course, some of
> them may behave the same way in their native habitat.


Those are probably the ones who play tricks on unsuspecting
Yankees.  They believe Yankees engage in the same behavior,
never suspecting that Yankees never even think about such
games.  It just isn't part of the culture.

I am more quiet and taciturn here in Missouri, though.  I
just don't <get> conversational rules sometimes, so I just
keep my mouth shut.  Maybe I got yakked to so much because I
knew when to pause up there.




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--- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> Are avocados a fruit or vegetable?
>
> Karen

I have always thought a fruit.  Did you Google it?


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> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > It is delicious, and the peaches are so good this year.
>
> I had heard that this year's peaches are bad.  Must be regional.  I
> thought about stopping and buying some peaches from the truck that
comes
> over here everyday from Alabama in summer and parks on Main Street to
> sell peaches -- or least the people associated with the truck sell
> them.  But I didn't because you have to buy a whole basket of them,
> something like six or eight, and I wouldn't need more than one or two.
> Then I heard people saying that the peaches were bad this year
anyway --
> like most other things have been, including tomatoes.  Too much rain
or
> something.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>

The peaches I'm using I buy at the grocery store, and they are from
California.  For the past few years peaches have been grainy and
coarse.  But this year this peaches are absolutely perfect . . fine,
firm, but juicy, rosy colored, no bruises or flaws.  Yum.

          - D. M.

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On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> --- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
>> Are avocados a fruit or vegetable?
>>
>> Karen

> I have always thought a fruit.  Did you Google it?

That's not the point of the exercise. The point of the exercise is for
you to tell me what you think. Which you did. Thank you for playing!

Karen

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> I have always thought a fruit. Did you Google it?

That's not the point of the exercise. The point of the
exercise is for
you to tell me what you think. Which you did. Thank
you for playing!

De nada

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At 08:24 PM 8/23/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:

>The peaches I'm using I buy at the grocery store, and they are from
>California.  For the past few years peaches have been grainy and
>coarse.  But this year this peaches are absolutely perfect . . fine,
>firm, but juicy, rosy colored, no bruises or flaws.  Yum.
>
>           - D. M.

I have some cut up frozen ones in the freezer.  No pits.

Betty

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On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I had heard that this year's peaches are bad.  Must be regional.  I

"They" are telling you that so you will not buy any and there will be
more for them. The SC peaches I buy each week are fabulous. And if I could
get to upper East TN, I would get some from there.

Bethany

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> Those are probably the ones who play tricks on unsuspecting
> Yankees.  They believe Yankees engage in the same behavior,
> never suspecting that Yankees never even think about such
> games.  It just isn't part of the culture.

I disagree with this conjecture.  I think that most Southerners just
kind of <know innately> that dupe-the-Yankee isn't a two-way game.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> >> Are avocados a fruit or vegetable?
> > I have always thought a fruit.  Did you Google it?
>
> That's not the point of the exercise. The point of the exercise is for
> you to tell me what you think. Which you did. Thank you for playing!

I think of it as vegetable.  But then I think of tomatoes as vegetables
also, even though they're supposedly technically fruits.  Iow, I don't
think that my personal categories are necessarily accurate.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>Those are probably the ones who play tricks on unsuspecting
>>Yankees.  They believe Yankees engage in the same behavior,
>>never suspecting that Yankees never even think about such
>>games.  It just isn't part of the culture.
>>
>
> I disagree with this conjecture.  I think that most Southerners just
> kind of <know innately> that dupe-the-Yankee isn't a two-way game.


        Then why would they think Yankees would dupe them because
they're southern?



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Betty wrote:

> >I disagree with this conjecture.  I think that most Southerners just
> >kind of <know innately> that dupe-the-Yankee isn't a two-way game.
>
>   I don't <get> it at all.  No wonder y'all have such a bad reputation.

You're not supposed to get it.  You're a Yankee.  But it wouldn't affect
the reputation of the South since Yankees don't know it's going on.  The
whole point of it is that they think they're being complimented when
they're being insulted.  The other Southerners witnessing the scene are
the ones who get it.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> >>Those are probably the ones who play tricks on unsuspecting
> >>Yankees.  They believe Yankees engage in the same behavior,
> >>never suspecting that Yankees never even think about such
> >>games.  It just isn't part of the culture.
> >>
> >
> > I disagree with this conjecture.  I think that most Southerners just
> > kind of <know innately> that dupe-the-Yankee isn't a two-way game.
>
>         Then why would they think Yankees would dupe them because
> they're southern?

??  The reason I said that I disagree with your conjecture is that I
don't think that Southerners think that Yankees engage in that behavior.

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At 09:23 PM 8/23/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > >I disagree with this conjecture.  I think that most Southerners just
> > >kind of <know innately> that dupe-the-Yankee isn't a two-way game.
> >
> >   I don't <get> it at all.  No wonder y'all have such a bad reputation.
>
>You're not supposed to get it.  You're a Yankee.  But it wouldn't affect
>the reputation of the South since Yankees don't know it's going on.  The
>whole point of it is that they think they're being complimented when
>they're being insulted.  The other Southerners witnessing the scene are
>the ones who get it.

Bless your heart.  How pathetic.

Betty

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Betty wrote:

> >You're not supposed to get it.  You're a Yankee.  But it wouldn't affect
> >the reputation of the South since Yankees don't know it's going on.  The
> >whole point of it is that they think they're being complimented when
> >they're being insulted.  The other Southerners witnessing the scene are
> >the ones who get it.
>
> Bless your heart.  How pathetic.

Why pathetic?

I should dig out the paper I read in Finland last year.  It was on this
subject.  And it included "bless your heart."

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On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>You shoulda told me!  I coulda grabbed some when I was in upper East TN
>not long ago and slung them onto your apartment's front steps as I
>zipped through Knoxville.

There you go again (I hope) - misrepresenting reality! (My apt. has no
front steps.)

Bethany

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I should dig out the paper I read in Finland last year.  It was on this

Except that I think it's gone, gone, gone.  I loved throwing away that
kind of stuff upon retiring -- except that I read that paper in Finland
after retiring and after moving out of my office.  So it may still live
somewhere.  I did, however, <just say no> when I got the publish-it
request.  Retirement is beautiful because of no need to worry about
research projects and publications.  I love the teaching when I don't
have all that other crap that is considered more important.

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On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > > What's an activity?
>> > Oh, like bingo, belly-dancing, Burning Man - and those are just some of
>> > the 'b's !
>> how about some Cs now/

> Canasta is the only 'c'.  Well, there's coke-snorting of course.

Crocheting.

Karen

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--- Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:
> Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> > And yet, canons fired from cannons may be
> preferable
> > to cow bells.
>
> Nay, nay.  Cow bells <rule>.
>
> Meanwhile, I'm smiling at introducing <scandal> to
> the Wheeler
> genealogical fora.  Some of these people probably
> don't want to know
> about the bastard lines.  I just sent this (to two
> different fora --
> this is the copy of the one that I sent to the
> second one) -- and I
> don't really expect most Wordslers to read this
> stuff, but you never
> know who might be feeling leisurely at the time and
> in the mood for
> reading various crappola
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> I just sent the following to another Wheeler forum
> in response to a
> message I had stumbled upon in a search for Amos
> Wheeler. The message I
> was responding to asked for info on the descendants
> of Amos Wheeler. It
> occurred to me that I should post my message here
> also in case some of
> you are researching this same Wheeler branch. Here's
> what I wrote:
> *******
> I came across your posting when doing a web search
> for Amos Wheeler.
> I've just gotten into researching the Wheelers
> earlier than Richard
> Wheeler (born c. 1806, North Carolina, probably
> Wilkes County). I had
> been researching the later Wheelers for a while
> because I knew there was
> a Wheeler-Church connection. After going to NC and
> doing research in the
> state archives, I know now that Richard Wheeler was
> my ggg-grandfather,
> named in a bastardy bond as the father of Alfred
> Church, son of Rachel
> Church before she married Isham Dancy. (This was in
> Wilkes County, NC --
> Alfred was born in early 1829, around the time
> Richard Wheeler, who was
> a neighbor of the Church family, married Rachel
> Church's younger sister,
> Catherine.)
>
> I've seen various websites that suggest that Richard
> Wheeler's father
> was Amos Wheeler, married to Sarah Snow, but I have
> not yet found firm
> information. (I never assume that something I see on
> a website is
> accurate.)
>
> Anyway, I do have a fair amount of info on Richard
> Wheeler and his
> descendants, both the legitimate and the
> illegitimate. Richard and
> Catherine and their children moved from Wilkes
> County, North Carolina,
> to Gilmer County, Georgia, in the late 1840s.
> Catherine died during the
> three years they lived there, and Richard and
> children moved on to
> Jackson County, Alabama, where Richard died not many
> years later. His
> younger brother, Alford, also moved to Jackson
> County, Alabama, and is
> buried in the Wheeler Cemetery on Sand Mountain. I
> visited his grave
> just last week.
>
> Alfred Church, illegitimate son of Richard Wheeler,
> also moved to
> Jackson County, Alabama, around the same time and
> was a neighbor of
> Alford Wheeler and family in 1860. Alfred Church
> died in the Civil War
> (of pneumonia), and his widow died a few years
> later, leaving four
> children. Two of the children moved in with Andrew
> Linsey Wheeler, son
> of Richard Wheeler, and his wife, Elizabeth Jones
> Wheeler, and their two
> daughters (Alice and Ellen) in Bellefonte, Alabama.
> Louisa Stuart
> Church, wife of Alfred Church, is buried in the
> Wheeler Cemetery on Sand
> Mountain.
>
> I've become fascinated with the Wheeler-Church
> stories. I would love to
> be able to go back in a time machine and observe
> their lives in Wilkes
> County, NC, in about 1830, when Richard Wheeler was
> apparently the
> next-door neighbor of Aaron and Nancy Church
> (judging from census
> records) and Rachel Church, mother of Richard
> Wheeler's son Alfred
> Church, was still living with her parents (she
> married Isham Dancy in
> 1831). What an interesting little community that
> must have been, with
> Richard Wheeler married to Rachel's sister while
> living next door to
> Rachel and his illegitimate child she had borne.
> ("Next door" probably
> meant a good way down the road back then, of
> course.)
>
> Rachel Church apparently recovered from the scandal.
> She and Isham Dancy
> had many children and seem to have been highly
> respected members of the
> community and pillars of the Crossroads Primitive
> Baptist Church in
> Mulberry (Wilkes County), where they are buried,
> along with Rachel's
> mother, Nancy Owens Church, who lived with Rachel
> and Isham in her old
> age.
> ******************
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> --

Yes, it is fascinating.  There is a fairly close
parallel to the Richard Wheeler-Rachel Church
relationship to be found in the pages of a book called
"Indiana Gothic".  This is also a true story that
involves a murder, as well.  The writer (Pope Brock)is
a descendant of the adulterers.  He is a former
newspaperman, and I found his style heavy sledding;
but still, the subject matter is interesting.  That
type of situation is, in all likelihood, not as rare
as one might have thought.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >You shoulda told me!  I coulda grabbed some when I was in upper East TN
> >not long ago and slung them onto your apartment's front steps as I
> >zipped through Knoxville.
>
> There you go again (I hope) - misrepresenting reality! (My apt. has no
> front steps.)

You are almost as much of a literalist as Karen.  Slinging peaches at
your apartment's front steps means slinging them at whatever there is
that enters your apartment.  It doesn't literally have to be steps.

But it's time to turn off the computer and go to bed now.

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At 09:35 PM 8/23/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > >You're not supposed to get it.  You're a Yankee.  But it wouldn't affect
> > >the reputation of the South since Yankees don't know it's going on.  The
> > >whole point of it is that they think they're being complimented when
> > >they're being insulted.  The other Southerners witnessing the scene are
> > >the ones who get it.
> >
> > Bless your heart.  How pathetic.
>
>Why pathetic?

Grown people playing games insulting people for their own amusement just
sounds pathetic.  Can't southerners think of some other kind of
entertainment?  Don't you have houses to bless? If it amuses you, carry on!

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> Bless your heart.  How pathetic.

Bless your heart.  How patronizing.

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On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I think of it as vegetable.  But then I think of tomatoes as vegetables
> also, even though they're supposedly technically fruits.  Iow, I don't
> think that my personal categories are necessarily accurate.

It's just a survey, don't overthink it.

Karen

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> Grown people playing games insulting people for
> their own amusement just
> sounds pathetic.  Can't southerners think of some
> other kind of
> entertainment?  Don't you have houses to bless? If
> it amuses you, carry on!

Is not meebership on this "service" not a perfect
example of grown people playing games insulting
people?


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> It's just a survey, don't overthink it.
>
> Karen

Upon reflection, I guess the difference to me is that
fruits grow on trees or bushes, while vegetables grow
in the ground or on vines (with obvious exceptions, as
in grapes).


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At 08:13 PM 8/23/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
> >
> > Yes, of course, but this is just a list. Natalie is
> > leading me to believe
> > weird things about the south.
>
>
>I'm not claiming the South is not weird.  In some form
>or fashion, every section of the country is weird.
>After all, folks in other parts of the country call
>CAL "La La Land" or "the land of fruits and nuts", and
>some CAL  traits are strange.  But I don't think you
>are a citizen of either of those places, and don't
>hold you personally responsible.

True. When I travel I say that I am from Canada.

Betty

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> True. When I travel I say that I am from Canada.
>
> Betty

I take back the "patronizing".  I think you are a very
reasonable and judicial individual.:-)

Anyway, don't let Natalie scare you.  I am just a
transplant here (albeit for nearly 40 years), but I
don't think Southerners are as calculating or
complicated as she would have you believe.

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At 08:23 PM 8/23/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > True. When I travel I say that I am from Canada.
> >
> > Betty
>
>I take back the "patronizing".  I think you are a very
>reasonable and judicial individual.:-)
>
>Anyway, don't let Natalie scare you.  I am just a
>transplant here (albeit for nearly 40 years), but I
>don't think Southerners are as calculating or
>complicated as she would have you believe.

Whew! I've met some nice ones.  Maybe it's only Natalie who is calculating
and complicated.

Betty

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>
> Whew! I've met some nice ones.  Maybe it's only
> Natalie who is calculating
> and complicated.

Probably not.  I was just being very defensive.  There
are still things that drive me around the bend about
the South, principally (and fittingly enough) the
misuse of the language.  I could "cite" forever, but I
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02003-08-23 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > I think of it as vegetable.  But then I think of tomatoes as vegetables
> > also, even though they're supposedly technically fruits.  Iow, I don't
> > think that my personal categories are necessarily accurate.
>
> It's just a survey, don't overthink it.

A good surveyor accounts for overthinking subjects.

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> > It's just a survey, don't overthink it.
>
> A good surveyor accounts for overthinking subjects.

Do you mean to say that I abandoned my "hot" game of
Bookworm to be faced with this?  And was that an
assumptive question?

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02003-08-23 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Betty wrote:
>
> > >You're not supposed to get it.  You're a Yankee.  But it wouldn't affect
> > >the reputation of the South since Yankees don't know it's going on.  The
> > >whole point of it is that they think they're being complimented when
> > >they're being insulted.  The other Southerners witnessing the scene are
> > >the ones who get it.
> >
> > Bless your heart.  How pathetic.
>
> Why pathetic?

It's a behaviour pattern of the "loser".

Indulging in it is implicit admission that you are speaking
with a "victor".

You have to step outside of linguistics to understand its--
what would you call it? Maybe pragmatics.

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02003-08-23 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> I'm not claiming the South is not weird.  In some form
> or fashion, every section of the country is weird.

That's a particularly good summation of the point.

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02003-08-23 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > > It's just a survey, don't overthink it.
> >
> > A good surveyor accounts for overthinking subjects.
>
> Do you mean to say that I abandoned my "hot" game of
> Bookworm to be faced with this?  And was that an
> assumptive question?

It's just an observation, don't sweat it.

Thanks a google.

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On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-08-23 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> > I think of it as vegetable.  But then I think of tomatoes as vegetables
>> > also, even though they're supposedly technically fruits.  Iow, I don't
>> > think that my personal categories are necessarily accurate.
>>
>> It's just a survey, don't overthink it.

> A good surveyor accounts for overthinking subjects.

F or V, Samant! No arguments, please.

Karen

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> F or V, Samant! No arguments, please.
>
> Karen

Amen and hallelujah.


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02003-08-23 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-08-23 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >> > I think of it as vegetable.  But then I think of tomatoes as vegetables
> >> > also, even though they're supposedly technically fruits.  Iow, I don't
> >> > think that my personal categories are necessarily accurate.
> >>
> >> It's just a survey, don't overthink it.
>
> > A good surveyor accounts for overthinking subjects.
>
> F or V, Samant! No arguments, please.

Mineral.

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02003-08-23 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > It's a behaviour pattern of the "loser".
> >
> > Indulging in it is implicit admission that you are
> > speaking
> > with a "victor".
> >
> > You have to step outside of linguistics to
> > understand its--
> > what would you call it? Maybe pragmatics.
>
> Quite.  After all, if we really indulged in such
> games, do you think we would let y'all in on them?

Thanks for agreeing!

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Anybody ever tried the Mover's Dinner? Sit in a corner of a stark empty
apartment you cleaned and fixed all day, in your underpants (thousand
sorries), with a laptop, overlooking the lake, and eat a "garbage"
pizza served authentically on an inverted pizzabox lid with "Leather-
man Tableware"[tm].

"It's Good"(R)

After which, you slide into a coma Right There[tm] so you can observe
the sunrise over the lake simply by opening your eyes.

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>
> After which, you slide into a coma Right There[tm] so you can observe
> the sunrise over the lake simply by opening your eyes.

Wow!  You have a lake view!
That's great.

         - D. M.

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02003-08-24 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> >
> > After which, you slide into a coma Right There[tm] so you can observe
> > the sunrise over the lake simply by opening your eyes.
>
> Wow!  You have a lake view!
> That's great.

For 7 more days.

Thanks a Jupiter.

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At 12:57 AM 8/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>02003-08-24 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> > >
> > > After which, you slide into a coma Right There[tm] so you can observe
> > > the sunrise over the lake simply by opening your eyes.
> >
> > Wow!  You have a lake view!
> > That's great.
>
>For 7 more days.
>
>Thanks a Jupiter.

Go look at Mars.  Nite!

Betty

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On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Except that I think it's gone, gone, gone.  I loved throwing away that
>kind of stuff upon retiring -- except that I read that paper in Finland
>after retiring and after moving out of my office.  So it may still live
>somewhere.  I did, however, <just say no> when I got the publish-it
>request.  Retirement is beautiful because of no need to worry about
>research projects and publications.  I love the teaching when I don't
>have all that other crap that is considered more important.

Natalie, what exactly would you <teach> if no had ever done/published
<rsearch>?

Bethany

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Ah, peaches.  I like to halve them, fill in the cavity with a dab of butter
and some good chutney, then grill them slowly until the outside is nearly
blackened and the flesh is nearly liquid.


>From: Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM>
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>Subject: Recipe
>Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 19:01:15 -0500
>
>Just because you are all so nice I am going to share our favorite recipe of
>this summer.  We found it in a magazine for "light cooking".
>It is delicious, and the peaches are so good this year.  Try it.  You'll
>like it.  It's what we're
>having tonight, along with some cole slaw with
>fresh cucumbers and red and green peppers.
>
>                  - D. M.
>
>Bourbon-glazed Pork Chops with Peaches
>
>
>
>1/3 cup bourbon
>
>¼ cup honey
>
>3 T soy sauce
>
>1 T vegetable oil
>
>½ tsp ground ginger
>
>¼ tsp crushed red pepper
>
>¼ tsp ground black pepper
>
>4 boneless center-cut loin pork chops
>
>2 peaches, halved and pitted
>
>cooking spray
>
>
>
>Combine first 7 ingredients in a bowl.  Add chops and peaches.
>
>Heat non-stick grill pan coated with spray, on medium heat.
>
>Place pork and peaches on the grill.  Cook 4 minutes on each
>
>side.  While they cook, microwave marinade on high for
>
>two minutes.  Spoon over pork and peaches on platter.
>
>Note:  I use a George Foreman grill and cook both sides at
>
>once, total of 4 minutes.  Since I have a small grill, I do the
>
>pork, then the peaches)

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If you had three buttocks, we could have the shorts read Tush Ar Us.
Possibly we could use a prosthetic buttock to get the same effect.  I was
thinking cable, in any event.

>
>That's WAY wacky ... I don't think it has a chance on network TV ...

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>>>Those are probably the ones who play tricks on unsuspecting
>>>>Yankees.  They believe Yankees engage in the same behavior,
>>>>never suspecting that Yankees never even think about such
>>>>games.  It just isn't part of the culture.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I disagree with this conjecture.  I think that most Southerners just
>>>kind of <know innately> that dupe-the-Yankee isn't a two-way game.
>>>
>>        Then why would they think Yankees would dupe them because
>>they're southern?
>>
>
> ??  The reason I said that I disagree with your conjecture is that I
> don't think that Southerners think that Yankees engage in that behavior.


        Then why are they afraid that they're being taken advantage
of "because they're southern"?



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Betty wrote:

> Grown people playing games insulting people for their own amusement just
> sounds pathetic.

Game-playing occurs among many adults throughout the country.  There's
nothing regional about seeking amusement.  And in this case the
insulting is especially benign since the victims are unaware of it.  It
sort of makes you wonder whether it should be called insulting.  Sort of
like a tree falling in the woods when nobody hears it or something.

This particular style of amusement is almost identical to "signifying,"
which has a long, noble history in African American culture.

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> Is not meebership on this "service" not a perfect
> example of grown people playing games insulting
> people?

Very good point, Lynne.  You are a <quick study> -- a newbie who has
shed newbie status much more quickly than is usual.

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Betty wrote:

> Yes, of course, but this is just a list. Natalie is leading me to believe
> weird things about the south.

What does "just a list" mean in this context?  Is our discourse less
<real> because of the medium?

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> the South, principally (and fittingly enough) the
> misuse of the language.  I could "cite" forever, but I
> know better than to get started.

Probably you're right not to get started, but I can't help asking for an
example anyway.  First, I'd like to know what you mean by "misuse of the
language."  That is a timely topic for the introductory stuff we're
discussing now in both of my classes, Descriptive English Grammar and
Intro to Linguistics.  And I'd like to know about what you see as
regional differences in <misuse>.  I'm guessing that by "misuse" you
mean variation from the standard dialect.  And there are certain
regional differences in that -- e.g., in some regions people who don't
say "he saw" would be more likely to say "he seed" while in other
regions it would be "he seen."  (I just made up that example.  I've
never done research on this particular matter, though I've read of other
people's research -- without remembering precise examples.)

I don't think "misuse of the language" is an accurate term for that kind
of thing, though.  Sloppy language use occurs, of course -- not choosing
the best word to convey an idea, etc.  But if you're talking about
grammar, then you need to say "misuse of the standard dialect."  People
don't make <grammatical errors> in their native language -- i.e., their
native dialect.  And there is nothing linguistically better or worse
about any particular dialect.  They all work just fine, are equally
rule-governed, etc.  To return to the example above, one might even make
the argument that "he seed" is <better> than "he saw" since it's
consistent with the regular morphological rule.  But language isn't
consistent or logical or any of those things.  Iow, you can't really
make a good argument for any particular form over another form -- as
being better or worse linguistically.  You can, of course, make
arguments that certain forms are better or worse in certain social or
professional or political contexts -- and in school, which is normally a
setting that requires the standard.  There is nothing at all
<inconsistent> about my telling students that there is nothing
linguistically better about "he walks" as opposed to "he walk" and then
merrily give them an F for writing "he walk."

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> It's a behaviour pattern of the "loser".
>
> Indulging in it is implicit admission that you are speaking
> with a "victor".

Yes.  That is surely where it comes from.  It wouldn't make sense to
come from the <victor>.

> You have to step outside of linguistics to understand its--
> what would you call it? Maybe pragmatics.

Yes (though pragmatics is a part of what I consider linguistics to be --
but I agree that it is outside the grammatical -- the phonology,
morphology, syntax, lexicon).

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At 07:24 AM 8/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > Yes, of course, but this is just a list. Natalie is leading me to believe
> > weird things about the south.
>
>What does "just a list" mean in this context?  Is our discourse less
><real> because of the medium?

Well, people say things on this list that they would not say if speaking in
real life.

Not to worry, Lynn made everything clear. I don't think that you are
constantly making fun of Yankees and if you are, I realized that I don't
really care.

I think we play some Mississippi team in football soon. Our football team
always sucks though.  Are you any good this year?

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Speaking of dinner, Larry ate part of his BLT over the sink yesterday for lunch.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >Except that I think it's gone, gone, gone.  I loved throwing away that
> >kind of stuff upon retiring -- except that I read that paper in Finland
> >after retiring and after moving out of my office.  So it may still live
> >somewhere.  I did, however, <just say no> when I got the publish-it
> >request.  Retirement is beautiful because of no need to worry about
> >research projects and publications.  I love the teaching when I don't
> >have all that other crap that is considered more important.
>
> Natalie, what exactly would you <teach> if no had ever done/published
> <rsearch>?

Nothing.  Or at least I would not choose to teach after retirement in
that case.  Our lecturers and instructors teach freshman comp and
sophomore-level lit courses, and I would not choose to teach such
courses in retirement.  Our general policy is that you have to have
published in the field of any other course you're teaching (stretching
the rule a bit in emergencies -- like my teaching Studies in
Second-Language Acquistion a couple of different times in staffing
crises).

I see nothing wrong with our policy.  I think it makes sense.  I don't
really understand the point of your question since I haven't said
anything about having never done/published research.  In such a case I
would be a lecturer or instructor, teaching comp and lit.  That assumes
that I would not have gotten a PhD, of course, since we don't hire
people with PhDs in those positions -- it is frowned upon my AAUP.  With
a PhD one is hired in a tenure-track position and thus does not have the
<luxury> of living a non-publishing life.

My official position now is Lecturer, I should add.  But it's done that
way for some kind of bookkeeping purposes in the administrative offices
-- retired faculty who are teaching part time are put into the Lecturer
category.  Actually, I'm nothing at the moment since I haven't been
officially hired yet for this semester.  Last spring it was sometime
after I had turned in midterm grades that I was finally hired.  It helps
for writing letters of recommendation, which I'm constantly doing, that
I am also Professor Emerita.  That makes the letters look somehow more
<dignified>.

Anyway, my point in that earlier posting was that I am delighted with my
retired life in that I can teach courses I like and not have to mess
around with publishing stuff.  I guess if too much time passed, it would
not be good -- i.e., as more time elapses since my last publications, I
would become <inappropriate> as a teacher of these courses.  That makes
sense -- and is fine with me since I don't plan to keep teaching
forever.  Even though I enjoy it, there are other things I also enjoy
and want to spend more time on.  I've been working on finding solutions
for next semester in fact that would mean I wouldn't be needed.  I was
thinking that it would be fun to take spring semester off.

What I'm saying is that your question seems to suggest that I'm
<against> research/publication.  I'm not.  It's a necessary part of
academia.  That doesn't mean that I have to like doing it or that I
shouldn't revel in my current situation.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Rita Chapman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>Those are probably the ones who play tricks on unsuspecting
>>>>>>Yankees.  They believe Yankees engage in the same behavior,
>>>>>>never suspecting that Yankees never even think about such
>>>>>>games.  It just isn't part of the culture.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>I disagree with this conjecture.  I think that most Southerners just
>>>>>kind of <know innately> that dupe-the-Yankee isn't a two-way game.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>       Then why would they think Yankees would dupe them because
>>>>they're southern?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>??  The reason I said that I disagree with your conjecture is that I
>>>don't think that Southerners think that Yankees engage in that behavior.
>>>
>>        Then why are they afraid that they're being taken advantage
>>of "because they're southern"?
>>
>
> I don't think they are.  See above.  You're the one who conjectured that
> "those [the ones Bonnie was talking about] are probably the ones who
> play tricks on unsuspecting Yankees."  I said that I disagreed with your
> conjecture.


        But they *are* afraid they're being taken advantage of.
Bonnie's quote was exactly the same as in the essay I was
reading.  I'm just wondering what would make them think that
since it is not a cultural practice in Yankee-land to do
things like that.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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At 08:09 AM 8/24/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>I see nothing wrong with our policy...

......

>What I'm saying is that your question seems to suggest that I'm
><against> research/publication.  I'm not.  It's a necessary part of
>academia.  That doesn't mean that I have to like doing it or that I
>shouldn't revel in my current situation.

Well put.

cwv

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>Last spring it was sometime
>after I had turned in midterm grades that I was finally hired.
>  -- Natalie

Did you also finally get paid??


bonnie

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On Sunday, August 24, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Anybody ever tried the Mover's Dinner? Sit in a corner of a stark empty
> apartment you cleaned and fixed all day, in your underpants (thousand
> sorries), with a laptop, overlooking the lake, and eat a "garbage"
> pizza served authentically on an inverted pizzabox lid with "Leather-
> man Tableware"[tm].

> "It's Good"(R)

> After which, you slide into a coma Right There[tm] so you can observe
> the sunrise over the lake simply by opening your eyes.

I love you, man. Underwear and all.

Karen

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>        But they *are* afraid they're being taken advantage of.
>Bonnie's quote was exactly the same as in the essay I was
>reading.  I'm just wondering what would make them think that
>since it is not a cultural practice in Yankee-land to do
>things like that.              --Rita Rouvalis Chapman

Actually, it was Clyde's quote.  The incident he was referring too wasn't
exactly a matter of the Southerners feeling duped so much as the
Southerners feeling insulted and put-upon.  And it was certainly a matter
of the bad behavior beginning with the group of Southerners upon check-in
to the Inn.  Nothing was right; they didn't like the place; they rather
loudly and boorishly proclaimed their dislike as they were shown around the
Inn.  Finally, the young man who was checking them in had had enough and,
against all Inn policy, gave them their deposit back and told them they
were free to find lodging more to their liking.  That's when the statement
of horror came from them:  "you wouldn't treat us this way if we weren't
Southerners!"

They were the worst kind of stereotypical Southerners: women with high
piled high and gold jewelry abundant playing submissive to their obnoxious
husbands.


bonnie

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02003-08-23 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >> > After which, you slide into a coma Right There[tm] so you can observe
> >> > the sunrise over the lake simply by opening your eyes.
> >>
> >> Wow!  You have a lake view!
> >> That's great.
> >
> >For 7 more days.
> >
> >Thanks a Jupiter.
>
> Go look at Mars.  Nite!

I think watching "rare" astronomical phenomena is a sign of old age.

Discuss

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> Speaking of dinner, Larry ate part of his BLT over the sink yesterday
for lunch.

Probably because he's a drip.

           - D. M.

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At 08:40 AM 8/24/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:

>I think watching "rare" astronomical phenomena is a sign of old age.
>
>Discuss

Probably.  Same with watching birds.

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02003-08-24 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > Anybody ever tried the Mover's Dinner? Sit in a corner of a stark empty
> > apartment you cleaned and fixed all day, in your underpants (thousand
> > sorries), with a laptop, overlooking the lake, and eat a "garbage"
> > pizza served authentically on an inverted pizzabox lid with "Leather-
> > man Tableware"[tm].
>
> Surely we have all done similar things in similar circumstances, though
> your experience sounds especially <nice>.  What kind of underpants?
> That detail is needed for the full picture.

There are considerable differences. I was in my OLD apartment (still am,
but about to leave and hence typing faster and faster), and deliberately
decided to sleep here on the floor, since the hour was a little late for
taking buses etc. Please note the complexly ironic image of a man indulging
in cliche appreciations of a foofy camping-like experience, except even
more absurd by virtue of being in a high-rise where pizza can be ordered.
As for underwear, the usual modest red silk "boxer-briefs" with gold
accent, like everyone.

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Betty wrote:

> I think we play some Mississippi team in football soon. Our football team
> always sucks though.  Are you any good this year?

There's not much football talk around here this year since we were
horrible beyond words last year and are likely to be the same this
year.  We're never very good in football, but last year was a disaster.
Talking about which bowl we might go to last year because a great joke.
Often we manage to make it to strange little bowls, the Tupper Ware Bowl
or whatever, but not last year.  (What was that bowl a couple of years
ago that Doris talked about watching on tv, when I said, "that was us!"
I think it was in Shreveport.  Suddenly enormous amounts of snow started
falling, making it impossible for the players to see things like the
goal-line.  Our quarterback later said that he had no idea whether he
was across the line when he managed to score the winning touchdown by
diving over some players and landing in a snowbank.  Since neither team
had any experience playing in snow, neither had an advantage.  I think
our opponent was either Texas A&M or U of Texas.)

But back to your first sentence.  It must be some other Mississippi
team.  In my quick glance at our schedule, the only team I noticed from
out there in the left coast area is the one we're playing in our first
game -- the Oregon Ducks, who will no doubt duckwalk all over us and
feast upon dawgmeat.

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Betty wrote:
>
> Speaking of dinner, Larry ate part of his BLT over the sink yesterday for lunch.

Why just part of it?  Did he change positions in mid-lunch?  If so,
why?  Or was part of the BLT all he ate for lunch?
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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > Rita Chapman wrote:
> >
> >>Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Rita Chapman wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>Those are probably the ones who play tricks on unsuspecting
> >>>>>>Yankees.  They believe Yankees engage in the same behavior,
> >>>>>>never suspecting that Yankees never even think about such
> >>>>>>games.  It just isn't part of the culture.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>I disagree with this conjecture.  I think that most Southerners just
> >>>>>kind of <know innately> that dupe-the-Yankee isn't a two-way game.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>       Then why would they think Yankees would dupe them because
> >>>>they're southern?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>??  The reason I said that I disagree with your conjecture is that I
> >>>don't think that Southerners think that Yankees engage in that behavior.
> >>>
> >>        Then why are they afraid that they're being taken advantage
> >>of "because they're southern"?
> >>
> >
> > I don't think they are.  See above.  You're the one who conjectured that
> > "those [the ones Bonnie was talking about] are probably the ones who
> > play tricks on unsuspecting Yankees."  I said that I disagreed with your
> > conjecture.
>
>         But they *are* afraid they're being taken advantage of.
> Bonnie's quote was exactly the same as in the essay I was
> reading.  I'm just wondering what would make them think that
> since it is not a cultural practice in Yankee-land to do
> things like that.

You're asking the wrong person.  I have never thought of duping as a
Yankee characteristic, nor do I remember ever having heard any other
Southerner suggest it.

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02003-08-24 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 08:40 AM 8/24/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >I think watching "rare" astronomical phenomena is a sign of old age.
> >
> >Discuss
>
> Probably.  Same with watching birds.

That's a GOOD point. Kinda like hunting for botanical specimens of
the English countryside, you mean? Only bearded weirdos allowed ...

I will not try to catch planetary approaches, auroras and meteor
showers. Man, that's just admitting it.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >Last spring it was sometime
> >after I had turned in midterm grades that I was finally hired.
> >  -- Natalie
>
> Did you also finally get paid??

Yes.  I got the first check in April, I think.  It included the money
for the earlier months, the months before I was officially employed.
Because I am not relying on that money to live on, I don't really care
when I get paid.  That money is just lagniappe.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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02003-08-24 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Betty wrote:
> >
> > Speaking of dinner, Larry ate part of his BLT over the sink yesterday
> > for lunch.
>
> Why just part of it?  Did he change positions in mid-lunch?  If so,
> why?  Or was part of the BLT all he ate for lunch?

I always eat the lettuce part over the sink.

This up at sunup sounds good but it makes me loquacious.
I understand Natalie now, but otherwise, screw it ...

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> >
> > Go look at Mars.  Nite!
>
> I think watching "rare" astronomical phenomena is a sign of old age.
>
> Discuss

I had not been aware of this phenomena,
but just now heard on TV "the red planet
is the closest to earth that it has been in
thousands of years."

Maybe this explains all the unrest and
warring?  Is there a way we could move a
bit closer to Venus?



                   - D. M.

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bonniev wrote:
>  The incident he was referring too wasn't
> exactly a matter of the Southerners feeling duped so much as the
> Southerners feeling insulted and put-upon.

I don't remember ever having felt put-upon because of being a
Southerner, but being insulted is not unusual at all, either directly or
indirectly.  (By "indirectly," I'm not talking about duping or anything
like that -- I'm talking about things like that comment I mentioned not
long ago that I heard a radio person say about the plant worker in
Meridian who murdered his co-workers -- something about racism and
about how that "should be expected in the Deep South.")

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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02003-08-24 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> This particular style of amusement is almost identical to "signifying,"
> which has a long, noble history in African American culture.

I thought "signifying" was pitching complicated insults at EACH OTHER.
Everybody understands what's going on, and there's shared judgement
about what's a good "snap". Where does the duped foreign person come
in?

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On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> >You shoulda told me!  I coulda grabbed some when I was in upper East TN
>> >not long ago and slung them onto your apartment's front steps as I
>> >zipped through Knoxville.
>>
>> There you go again (I hope) - misrepresenting reality! (My apt. has no
>> front steps.)
>
>You are almost as much of a literalist as Karen.  Slinging peaches at
>your apartment's front steps means slinging them at whatever there is
>that enters your apartment.  It doesn't literally have to be steps.

You missed it - I thought you would.

(Sling peaches???)

Bethany

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At 04:11 PM 8/24/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
>Karen Kay:
>= On Sunday, August 24, 2003, steph wrote:
>= > Karen Kay:
>= > = Are avocados a fruit or vegetable?
>= > =
>=
>= > Yes.
>=
>= You are not helping, Stevie!
>=
>= Karen
>
>Hey, I did not overthink it, ok?  I did not read everyone else's
>replies, and I was not trying to be cute.  That's what came out.
>That's who I am.  You'll just have to live with it; I do.

I love you, Stevie.

We're on our way here today.  I'll look for Myles.

http://pacificcoastairmuseum.org/airshow2003/airshow2003.asp

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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>I thought "signifying" was pitching complicated insults at EACH OTHER.
>Everybody understands what's going on, and there's shared judgement
>about what's a good "snap". Where does the duped foreign person come
>in?

I have a great tape made in a bar in southern Arkansas in which the
regular patrosn (all AA) play the dozens on a visiting EA student, who
does not appear to have the foggiest idea what is going on. (He is taping
for a folklore class.)

Bethany

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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Probably you're right not to get started, but I can't help asking for an
>example anyway.  First, I'd like to know what you mean by "misuse of the

Um, Natalie - I think you are doing <research>.

Bethany

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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I see nothing wrong with our policy.  I think it makes sense.  I don't
>really understand the point of your question since I haven't said
>anything about having never done/published research.  In such a case I

No - but your language suggested disdain for research.

Bethany

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> There are considerable differences. I was in my OLD apartment (still am,
> but about to leave and hence typing faster and faster), and deliberately
> decided to sleep here on the floor, since the hour was a little late for
> taking buses etc. Please note the complexly ironic image of a man indulging
> in cliche appreciations of a foofy camping-like experience, except even
> more absurd by virtue of being in a high-rise where pizza can be ordered.
> As for underwear, the usual modest red silk "boxer-briefs" with gold
> accent, like everyone.

Oh yes, I do appreciate the complexly ironic image.  Your experience was
many cuts above the usual moving-camping-oddsituation stories people
have.  I simply meant that many of us have stories with some
similarities, often including sleeping on floors in the dwelling where
the furniture either no longer is or hasn't arrived at yet.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> This up at sunup sounds good but it makes me loquacious.
> I understand Natalie now, but otherwise, screw it ...

Yes.  Sunrise always makes me loquacious.  I taper off as the day moves
on.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> I thought "signifying" was pitching complicated insults at EACH OTHER.
> Everybody understands what's going on, and there's shared judgement
> about what's a good "snap". Where does the duped foreign person come
> in?

What you're talking about is what I would call playing the dozens,
though it is true that the term signifying is applied in various ways by
various people and that some people see signifying as an umbrella term
including verbal games like the dozens.  I tend to use it in the
narrower sense, going back to the story of The Signifying Monkey, who
duped the elephant.  In some theories of the history of the practice, it
is thought to have been frequently used during slavery for slaves to
vent by indirectly (and thus safely) insulting overseers/masters.
Others include in its history the idea of slaves using secret code in
talking to each other for practical reasons -- like planning escapes or
whatever.  That really doesn't fit with what I think about when I think
of signifying, though it would share the element of saying one thing and
meaning something else.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > I bet you have been chastised for having included my whole long posting
> > in your reply.
>
> No, she hasn't. Do you authorize it? I can do it.

I have no authority to authorize.  The democratic thing would be to take
a vote.  Or we could simply ask AdamLH, our benevolent dictator, to make
a ruling.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >You are almost as much of a literalist as Karen.  Slinging peaches at
> >your apartment's front steps means slinging them at whatever there is
> >that enters your apartment.  It doesn't literally have to be steps.
>
> You missed it - I thought you would.
>
> (Sling peaches???)

Yes, I missed it.  And I still don't get it.

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>
> On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >> >You shoulda told me!  I coulda grabbed some when I was in upper East TN
> >> >not long ago and slung them onto your apartment's front steps as I
> >> >zipped through Knoxville.
> >>
> >> There you go again (I hope) - misrepresenting reality! (My apt. has no
> >> front steps.)
> >
> >You are almost as much of a literalist as Karen.  Slinging peaches at
> >your apartment's front steps means slinging them at whatever there is
> >that enters your apartment.  It doesn't literally have to be steps.
>
> You missed it - I thought you would.
>
> (Sling peaches???)
>
> Bethany

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Speaking of chastising, I think I might have just sent a mess.  I
accidentally hit "quote" when I meant to hit "send."  I've never been in
the "quote" place before.  In a moment of confusion I then hit "send"
and sent who knows what kind of mess.
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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >Probably you're right not to get started, but I can't help asking for an
> >example anyway.  First, I'd like to know what you mean by "misuse of the
>
> Um, Natalie - I think you are doing <research>.

No, I'm making conversation -- participating in discussion.  I am not
doing research, a term when used in my work world means resulting
publications.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >I see nothing wrong with our policy.  I think it makes sense.  I don't
> >really understand the point of your question since I haven't said
> >anything about having never done/published research.  In such a case I
>
> No - but your language suggested disdain for research.

That was your own distorted inference.  I have never expressed disdain
for research, just personal dislike of engaging in academic research
myself.

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On Sunday, August 24, 2003, steph wrote:
> Karen Kay:
> = Are avocados a fruit or vegetable?
> =

> Yes.

You are not helping, Stevie!

Karen

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Karen Kay:
= On Sunday, August 24, 2003, steph wrote:
= > Karen Kay:
= > = Are avocados a fruit or vegetable?
= > =
=
= > Yes.
=
= You are not helping, Stevie!
=
= Karen

Hey, I did not overthink it, ok?  I did not read everyone else's
replies, and I was not trying to be cute.  That's what came out.
That's who I am.  You'll just have to live with it; I do.

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02003-08-23 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > That could be my little cousin. I find this picture hilarious,
> > the suppressed excitement is, like, LEAKING out of the screen ...
>
> My favorite activity!!!

Well it DID originate in Austin ... May I smell your hand?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Anyway, this is a really pointless conversation, unless someone is
> willing to try the experiment.

I'm quite willing to plant a frozen avocado seed if I run across one.
If it grows and is normal, then we will know it does work, but if it
doesn't, we won't know that it necessarily doesn't work.  It might just
not like the weather here or the dirt or roly-polies or whatever.

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hominy cricket wrote:
>
> > I don't remember that precise thread, but that sounds reasonable to me.
>
> You go ahead on, Natalie, that'll be super.

Go ahead on where?  I'm actually thinking about going to the grocery
store in search of frozen avocados.

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How about "bindi for the western guy?"


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>
>>I am cleaning my (old) apartment right now, and as usual, right now
>>I feel I should be in the cleaning business. How incredibly lame is
>>that? This is exactly why I never try anything domestic and st00pid.
>>I fear I might get into it too much. I even posted a for-sale ad about
>>a bookcase and an ugly microwave. Instead of simply leaving them in
>>the alley, I mean. I guess when they come by I will give it to them
>>for free.
>
>No, you should be the host of a zany reality television show.
>
>
>> > To be honest, I figured this was an interchange almost certain to be
>>lost on
>> > my readers.  It's a words-l exclusive.
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>>Three thousand thankyous.
>>
>> > When I get around to it, you'll get the scoop on how Adam Brodsky
>>really
>> > feels about Adam Hartfield. And you'll get the astonishing, hard to
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On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> The trees outside my first floor window and across the street make
> the "view" well worth it. However, somesone has picked one massive
> specimen to tie a cheap-ass "bow" around, with what looks like duct
> tape. Is there any meaning to it? Somebody remembering something?

What color?

Karen

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Doris Markland wrote:

> It is delicious, and the peaches are so good this year.

I had heard that this year's peaches are bad.  Must be regional.  I
thought about stopping and buying some peaches from the truck that comes
over here everyday from Alabama in summer and parks on Main Street to
sell peaches -- or least the people associated with the truck sell
them.  But I didn't because you have to buy a whole basket of them,
something like six or eight, and I wouldn't need more than one or two.
Then I heard people saying that the peaches were bad this year anyway --
like most other things have been, including tomatoes.  Too much rain or
something.

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> Canasta is the only 'c'.  Well, there's
> coke-snorting of course.

No cavorting?  Cavorting while coke-snorting.


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  Maybe it
> was because of the arguments about the canons that
> they stopped dragging
> out the cannons to fire the canons into the crowd.

And yet, canons fired from cannons may be preferable
to cow bells.


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On Saturday, August 23, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> The peaches I'm using I buy at the grocery store, and they are from
> California.  For the past few years peaches have been grainy and
> coarse.  But this year this peaches are absolutely perfect . . fine,
> firm, but juicy, rosy colored, no bruises or flaws.  Yum.

Here, too.

Karen

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> And yet, canons fired from cannons may be preferable
> to cow bells.

Nay, nay.  Cow bells <rule>.

Meanwhile, I'm smiling at introducing <scandal> to the Wheeler
genealogical fora.  Some of these people probably don't want to know
about the bastard lines.  I just sent this (to two different fora --
this is the copy of the one that I sent to the second one) -- and I
don't really expect most Wordslers to read this stuff, but you never
know who might be feeling leisurely at the time and in the mood for
reading various crappola

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I just sent the following to another Wheeler forum in response to a
message I had stumbled upon in a search for Amos Wheeler. The message I
was responding to asked for info on the descendants of Amos Wheeler. It
occurred to me that I should post my message here also in case some of
you are researching this same Wheeler branch. Here's what I wrote:
*******
I came across your posting when doing a web search for Amos Wheeler.
I've just gotten into researching the Wheelers earlier than Richard
Wheeler (born c. 1806, North Carolina, probably Wilkes County). I had
been researching the later Wheelers for a while because I knew there was
a Wheeler-Church connection. After going to NC and doing research in the
state archives, I know now that Richard Wheeler was my ggg-grandfather,
named in a bastardy bond as the father of Alfred Church, son of Rachel
Church before she married Isham Dancy. (This was in Wilkes County, NC --
Alfred was born in early 1829, around the time Richard Wheeler, who was
a neighbor of the Church family, married Rachel Church's younger sister,
Catherine.)

I've seen various websites that suggest that Richard Wheeler's father
was Amos Wheeler, married to Sarah Snow, but I have not yet found firm
information. (I never assume that something I see on a website is
accurate.)

Anyway, I do have a fair amount of info on Richard Wheeler and his
descendants, both the legitimate and the illegitimate. Richard and
Catherine and their children moved from Wilkes County, North Carolina,
to Gilmer County, Georgia, in the late 1840s. Catherine died during the
three years they lived there, and Richard and children moved on to
Jackson County, Alabama, where Richard died not many years later. His
younger brother, Alford, also moved to Jackson County, Alabama, and is
buried in the Wheeler Cemetery on Sand Mountain. I visited his grave
just last week.

Alfred Church, illegitimate son of Richard Wheeler, also moved to
Jackson County, Alabama, around the same time and was a neighbor of
Alford Wheeler and family in 1860. Alfred Church died in the Civil War
(of pneumonia), and his widow died a few years later, leaving four
children. Two of the children moved in with Andrew Linsey Wheeler, son
of Richard Wheeler, and his wife, Elizabeth Jones Wheeler, and their two
daughters (Alice and Ellen) in Bellefonte, Alabama. Louisa Stuart
Church, wife of Alfred Church, is buried in the Wheeler Cemetery on Sand
Mountain.

I've become fascinated with the Wheeler-Church stories. I would love to
be able to go back in a time machine and observe their lives in Wilkes
County, NC, in about 1830, when Richard Wheeler was apparently the
next-door neighbor of Aaron and Nancy Church (judging from census
records) and Rachel Church, mother of Richard Wheeler's son Alfred
Church, was still living with her parents (she married Isham Dancy in
1831). What an interesting little community that must have been, with
Richard Wheeler married to Rachel's sister while living next door to
Rachel and his illegitimate child she had borne. ("Next door" probably
meant a good way down the road back then, of course.)

Rachel Church apparently recovered from the scandal. She and Isham Dancy
had many children and seem to have been highly respected members of the
community and pillars of the Crossroads Primitive Baptist Church in
Mulberry (Wilkes County), where they are buried, along with Rachel's
mother, Nancy Owens Church, who lived with Rachel and Isham in her old
age.
******************
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >I had heard that this year's peaches are bad.  Must be regional.  I
>
> "They" are telling you that so you will not buy any and there will be
> more for them.

I doubt it since there are always lots and lots of peaches on that truck
(and of course lots in grocery stores, but there are always peaches in
grocery stores).

> And if I could
> get to upper East TN, I would get some from there.

You shoulda told me!  I coulda grabbed some when I was in upper East TN
not long ago and slung them onto your apartment's front steps as I
zipped through Knoxville.

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At 09:03 PM 8/23/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> > Those are probably the ones who play tricks on unsuspecting
> > Yankees.  They believe Yankees engage in the same behavior,
> > never suspecting that Yankees never even think about such
> > games.  It just isn't part of the culture.
>
>I disagree with this conjecture.  I think that most Southerners just
>kind of <know innately> that dupe-the-Yankee isn't a two-way game.

  I don't <get> it at all.  No wonder y'all have such a bad reputation.

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At 07:47 PM 8/23/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > Bless your heart.  How pathetic.
>
>Bless your heart.  How patronizing.

Thank you.

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At 07:52 PM 8/23/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > Grown people playing games insulting people for
> > their own amusement just
> > sounds pathetic.  Can't southerners think of some
> > other kind of
> > entertainment?  Don't you have houses to bless? If
> > it amuses you, carry on!
>
>Is not meebership on this "service" not a perfect
>example of grown people playing games insulting
>people?

Yes, of course, but this is just a list. Natalie is leading me to believe
weird things about the south.

Betty

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>
> Yes, of course, but this is just a list. Natalie is
> leading me to believe
> weird things about the south.


I'm not claiming the South is not weird.  In some form
or fashion, every section of the country is weird.
After all, folks in other parts of the country call
CAL "La La Land" or "the land of fruits and nuts", and
some CAL  traits are strange.  But I don't think you
are a citizen of either of those places, and don't
hold you personally responsible.

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> It's a behaviour pattern of the "loser".
>
> Indulging in it is implicit admission that you are
> speaking
> with a "victor".
>
> You have to step outside of linguistics to
> understand its--
> what would you call it? Maybe pragmatics.

Quite.  After all, if we really indulged in such
games, do you think we would let y'all in on them?


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> That's a particularly good summation of the point.

You realize that within the insult you have admitted
that I grasped a point.

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02003-08-23 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > That's a particularly good summation of the point.
>
> You realize that within the insult you have admitted
> that I grasped a point.

Yes. I aim for a liberal admissions policy.

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Karen Kay:
= Are avocados a fruit or vegetable?
=

Yes.

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> type of situation is, in all likelihood, not as rare
> as one might have thought.

I bet you have been chastised for having included my whole long posting
in your reply.  Re the interesting situations of my mountain ancestors,
I've been thinking that it's too bad I have no talent for the kind of
writing that could turn their stories into a book.  I would probably
have to make it fiction based on a true story instead of pure fact since
there's no way I could know the details of their everyday lives.  But it
would still be fun.  I find these branches, the ones I refer to as my
mountain redneck branches, much more interesting that my other branches,
the ones with more <aristocratic> lineage and goings on.  As I think
I've said before, one thing I find fun about genealogy is thinking about
the contrasts among my ancestors.  (This would be true of most people.
I say "my" simply because that's the family I'm fooling with.)  It's
interesting to think about how at the same time some of my ancestors
were living in rather fancy dwellings on their large and expensive
chunks of land and busying themselves with property-buying/selling,
writing lengthy wills to divide their impressive estates, etc. etc.,
others were leading rough and primitive lives, struggling just to
survive.  I looked at the estate papers for Aaron Church while I was in
NC -- he was the father of Rachel Church, who was the mother of the
bastard Alfred.  As best I could figure out from Aaron's estate papers,
and one of the librarians in the genealogy room looked at the photocopy
I'd made and agreed with my figuring, Aaron was so poor when he died
that the sheriff owned his land (presumably for unpaid taxes) and all
that could be scraped up for his widow was $3.50 worth of provisions.
Or maybe it was $2.50.  I've got the copy of the papers in a notebook in
the other room.  Anyway, this was around the same time the Coxes and
Rountrees, among others, were attending fine balls in their fine clothes
and returning to their fine homes to sleep in their fine beds, attended
of course by their slaves.

Interesting stuff, imho.  As I said, I find the mountain rednecks vastly
more interesting than the aristocrats, though the mountain people are
much harder to research -- not nearly as many easily findable paper
trails.  Another thing that makes the mountain people interesting is
that some of what I know about their lives came to me as stories in my
childhood.  Although my mother had never done genealogical research and
had never even wondered why Rachel Dancy's son was named Alfred Church,
she did know the answer -- or assume it was the answer -- to why
Alfred's youngest daughter was born several years after he died.  When I
mentioned that, she remembered having heard a story about how Alfred's
widow had had to hire out as a domestic helper after his death during
the Civil War (Alfred had $4 in his possession when he died -- I saw
that in his Civil War records) and that a man she worked for had "taken
advantage of her."  That is obviously the explanation of the arrival of
Mollie, Louisa Stuart Church's youngest child -- and one of the two who
moved in with the Wheelers after Louisa died -- Linsey Wheeler being the
half-brother of Alfred Church via their father's hanky-panky.  And I
heard lots and lots of stories about "Auntie" (aka Aunt Tilly aka
Metilda/Mathilda Church Collier) throughout my childhood and later.  She
was one of Alfred's orphaned children, sister of my g-grandmother.  She
married late in life an old man and had no children.  When he died, she
moved in with my grandparents and lived with them forever after,
including moving to Mississippi with them in the '20s.  She died the
year before I was born, but her stories lived on -- stories about how
she and her siblings would get scared and hide under their beds up there
on Sand Mountain when their father was off in the Civil War and they'd
hear wolves howling nearby, etc.

TMI.  But nobody has to read it.

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PS: The fact that my RRB lives in north Alabama has nothing at all to do
with <family history>.  He ended up in Hville because he did his
residency in Birmingham, not an unusual choice for somebody going into
ophthalmology in this part of the country since it is known for being
good in that field, and when he finished and looked around at possible
places to open his practice, he decided on Huntsville because it looked
promising -- as in a good place to rake in lots of money and to quickly
narrow his practice to just surgery.  And it was.

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> Anyway, don't let Natalie scare you.  I am just a

I didn't realize I was scaring BB.  That would be a formidable task, I
think.

> transplant here (albeit for nearly 40 years), but I
> don't think Southerners are as calculating or
> complicated as she would have you believe.

The kind of verbal game I've been talking about doesn't really involve
what I would call calculation.  It's acquired unconsciously along with
all the various other sociolinguistic trappings that a child acquires --
the pragmatics of language -- cultural trappings as evidenced in
language use.

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> Anybody ever tried the Mover's Dinner? Sit in a corner of a stark empty
> apartment you cleaned and fixed all day, in your underpants (thousand
> sorries), with a laptop, overlooking the lake, and eat a "garbage"
> pizza served authentically on an inverted pizzabox lid with "Leather-
> man Tableware"[tm].

Surely we have all done similar things in similar circumstances, though
your experience sounds especially <nice>.  What kind of underpants?
That detail is needed for the full picture.

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Betty wrote:

> Go look at Mars.  Nite!

I keep forgetting!  I think maybe it's tomorrow night that the campus
observatory is to be open to the public for Mars looking.  Maybe I
should go look.  I'm trying to remember now what my astronomer friend
said not long ago about the optimum viewing situation -- something about
how you could see it better when it was at 90 degrees.  Maybe that isn't
what he said.  We were talking about it when I asked him whether we
should be especially fearful right now about invasions of Martians.

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Marty Rosen wrote:
>
> If you had three buttocks, we could have the shorts read Tush Ar Us.
> Possibly we could use a prosthetic buttock to get the same effect.  I was

Where would the prosthetic go?  In the middle?  Or would it be off to
one side, making him look kind of <twisted>?

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > Rita Chapman wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>>Those are probably the ones who play tricks on unsuspecting
> >>>>Yankees.  They believe Yankees engage in the same behavior,
> >>>>never suspecting that Yankees never even think about such
> >>>>games.  It just isn't part of the culture.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>I disagree with this conjecture.  I think that most Southerners just
> >>>kind of <know innately> that dupe-the-Yankee isn't a two-way game.
> >>>
> >>        Then why would they think Yankees would dupe them because
> >>they're southern?
> >>
> >
> > ??  The reason I said that I disagree with your conjecture is that I
> > don't think that Southerners think that Yankees engage in that behavior.
>
>         Then why are they afraid that they're being taken advantage
> of "because they're southern"?

I don't think they are.  See above.  You're the one who conjectured that
"those [the ones Bonnie was talking about] are probably the ones who
play tricks on unsuspecting Yankees."  I said that I disagreed with your
conjecture.

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02003-08-24 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Marty Rosen wrote:
> >
> > If you had three buttocks, we could have the shorts read Tush Ar Us.
> > Possibly we could use a prosthetic buttock to get the same effect.  I was
>
> Where would the prosthetic go?  In the middle?  Or would it be off to
> one side, making him look kind of <twisted>?

I am sure prosthetic surgeons solved this common problem long ago.

Due to lack of time, I will NOT worry about your imagination.

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02003-08-24 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> > type of situation is, in all likelihood, not as rare
> > as one might have thought.
>
> I bet you have been chastised for having included my whole long posting
> in your reply.

No, she hasn't. Do you authorize it? I can do it.

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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> >You are almost as much of a literalist as Karen.  Slinging peaches at
>> >your apartment's front steps means slinging them at whatever there is
>> >that enters your apartment.  It doesn't literally have to be steps.
>>
>> You missed it - I thought you would.
>>
>> (Sling peaches???)
>
>Yes, I missed it.  And I still don't get it.

I've thought further; you do use language dysphemistically. Often. Why
would you even consider <slinging> something as delicate as peaches?
Earlier you referred to all non-teaching activities at a university as
<crap>. Your exact words were:

>Retirement is beautiful because of no need to worry about
>research projects and publications.  I love the teaching when I don't
>have all that other crap that is considered more important.<

Bethany

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>More expensive than that other one, but so is the pre-bargain computer a
>step or so up:

Good specs and a great price.

'Twere me, I'd probably be choosing between a Fujitsu P1000
<http://webshop.fujitsupc.com/fpc/Ecommerce/buildseriesbean.do?series=P1>
and a small Apple iBook.

The P1000 is a tiny little thing with a touchscreen (which I love in a
laptop) and outstanding battery life.  $1400 for 800MHz Crusoe, 256MB,
30GB, external floppy and CD-ROM, 8.9" wide-format XGA / touchscreen,
56Kbps, Ethernet, 802.11b, high-capacity LiIon battery (up to 9 hours), XP
Home, 2.5 lbs.

$1200 gets you a 12.1" iBook with 800MHz PowerPC, 384MB, 30G, CD-ROM,
56Kbps, Ethernet, Airport, LiIon battery (up to 5 hours), 4.9 lbs.

You'd probably love the new Macs -- you should try to check one out.

Pete

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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Um, Natalie - I think you are doing <research>.
>
>No, I'm making conversation -- participating in discussion.  I am not
>doing research, a term when used in my work world means resulting
>publications.

Of course research (and you ARE doing research) may or may not result in
publication.

Bethany

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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> No - but your language suggested disdain for research.
>
>That was your own distorted inference.  I have never expressed disdain
>for research, just personal dislike of engaging in academic research
>myself.

Please explain to me what <crap> means if it does not indicate disdain.
You said:

>Retirement is beautiful because of no need to worry about
>research projects and publications.  I love the teaching when I don't
>have all that other crap that is considered more important.>

Bethany

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On Sunday, August 24, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> I've thought further; you do use language dysphemistically. Often.

I think most people do. It's one way of expressing an opinion.

Karen

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>I simply meant that many of us have stories with some
>similarities, often including sleeping on floors in the dwelling where
>the furniture either no longer is or hasn't arrived at yet.
>  -- Natalie

Yup.  Ten days for Clyde and me in this house before our stuff made the
long, long journey from Tennessee to Maine.


bonnie

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> I've thought further; you do use language dysphemistically. Often. Why

If you say so.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Of course research (and you ARE doing research) may or may not result in
> publication.

Not in the context I was using the term in -- my work world.  Regular
faculty are required to engage in three areas of activity:  teaching,
research, service.  In filling out annual reviews the research section
is for listing publications.  Book reviews and papers read at meetings
are also listed on that form, though one would not last very long if
that's all that was listed.  Those three categories are further defined
in departmental/college/university documents.  At the college and
university level "creative endeavors" are included under "research" with
the stated definition being art work and such.  People in the Art Dept
are judged on their paintings and sculptures and shows and stuff.  In
English, research is defined as articles in refereed journals and books
published by reputable publishers (i.e., books by vanity presses don't
count).   There has been departmental debate about invited articles.  I
agree with the belief that they shouldn't be excluded -- e.g., an essay
in an anthology that was soliticted rather than refereed.  Pedagogical
publications don't count, which I guess is ok, although I can see how if
your field was something like TESOL they should count.

Gosh, all this stuff makes me again feel HAPPY AND FREE.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Please explain to me what <crap> means if it does not indicate disdain.
> You said:
>
> >Retirement is beautiful because of no need to worry about
> >research projects and publications.  I love the teaching when I don't
> >have all that other crap that is considered more important.>

I don't think you're likely to <get it>, so I'll make this brief.  Crap
to me is stuff I consider a bother -- stuff I don't like fooling with.
That does not include an attitude of disdain.

Here's an example.  I think I mentioned a few days ago that I adore
Milton.  (Even though I don't want to teach lit again, I really wouldn't
mind a few days occasionally of talking about PL to sophomores.)  Let's
say that I'm heading off to a class that's in a faraway classroom and
that I'm carrying a large Milton book and maybe a computer that has some
Milton stuff on it that I want to project on a screen to show the
students.  Heading off to class, I might well to say to a colleague, "I
really hate having to carry all this crap over to Dorman Hall."  Does
this mean that I feel disdain for Milton or for the book containing his
words or for the computer I'm carrying?  I certainly see no disdain in
it.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Good specs and a great price.

I checked with somebody who had bought a Dell notebook recently via
techbargains and found that his was a much better deal.  I've forgotten
now exactly what -- a step or two up from this one and a lower price.

> You'd probably love the new Macs -- you should try to check one out.

Why do you think I'd love them?  I've never understood Macs.  I don't
like Windows either, but at least I can click on my MS-DOS icon and land
in a more comfortable environment.  It's the only way I know how to do
certain things -- like to copy files onto one of the two kinds of CDs I
have.  I don't understand why exactly, but when I stick in the CD that I
save pictures on, strange things hop onto my screen, like a picture of a
computer and questions about doing various things with the CD, things
that don't include what I want to do -- simply store files on it.  So
what I do is click to minimize that computer picture and then click my
MS-DOS icon and then md to create a new directory for the pictures and
then merrily cp *.* to that directory.  I also have had to use MS-DOS to
put my Scrabble game on new computers -- as in the whole contents of the
CD so that I don't have to use the CD to play the game.  I have found no
way to make it work without MS-DOS copying.

All in all, I feel very uncomfortable on Macs because I don't understand
them.  And I feel no particular urge to get to know them better since I
am happy in my Mac-free life.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >I simply meant that many of us have stories with some
> >similarities, often including sleeping on floors in the dwelling where
> >the furniture either no longer is or hasn't arrived at yet.
> >  -- Natalie
>
> Yup.  Ten days for Clyde and me in this house before our stuff made the
> long, long journey from Tennessee to Maine.

And though not really on the same level, I am reminded of rushing over
to this house at daybreak on the day I moved because I went to my
computer to check e-mail and discovered that if you tell BellSouth to
change your phone on June 15, they apparently do it in the first second
after the chiming of twelve that ends June 14.  I had no phone
connection in that house.  So I grabbed up the computer and brought it
over here, where I quickly stuck its parts together and plugged it in,
and I sat on the floor checking e-mail in the empty house before rushing
back to the other house to start the move.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Please explain to me what <crap> means if it does not indicate disdain.
>> You said:
>>
>> >Retirement is beautiful because of no need to worry about
>> >research projects and publications.  I love the teaching when I don't
>> >have all that other crap that is considered more important.>
>
>I don't think you're likely to <get it>, so I'll make this brief.  Crap
>to me is stuff I consider a bother -- stuff I don't like fooling with.
>That does not include an attitude of disdain.

Context counts. In the example you add, <crap> sounds other than
disdainful. The example works to illustrate that <crap> may have
different meanings in different contexts. But in the example above, it
is at least dismissive, if not disdainful.

One difference between the two examples is that in the new one you are in
fact carrying the things you label <crap>. Aove, you are clearly <not>
carrying them, either literally or figuratively.

And as far as I know, you are still thinking of slinging peaches at my
abode!

Bethany

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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>That's pretty pathetic--and hilarious--but is it "signifying"?

As Natalie has suggested, the term <signifying> has both a narrow and a
broad sense. Here is a cogent comment:

>Signifying--the origin of the term is obscure--is the process of
semi-witty insults by which black American male adolescents attempt to cut
their buddies down to size. Some claim the practice has its origins in the
days of slavery, when blacks had to learn to take abuse from whites
without getting mad, lest the whites punish them. But Cecil, himself a
signifier of legendary ability (although we used to call it grossing out),
is inclined to think that signifying, under various names, is common among
males of any hue whenever the sap is running. As with any sort of
repartee, whether you really mean it depends on the situation.

The exact definition of signifying (also known, in various times and
places, as sigging, sounding, woofing, wolfing, burning, icing, joning,
etc.) is a bit vague. To some it means any kind of ritual insult; to
others, it must include an element of indirection--i.e., the victim
doesn't realize he's being insulted, you egg the victim into a fight with
somebody else, or in general you just lay on the BS. One form of
signifying is "doin' the dozens," which usually means making fun of the
other guy's relatives, particularly his momma. Here are a few of the more
printable examples collected by researcher Tom Kochman in his book,
Rappin' and Stylin' Out: Communication in Urban Black America:<

etc. (Kochman's book is excellent.)

See: http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_244c.html

Bethany

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> "Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
>
>>Please explain to me what <crap> means if it does not indicate disdain.
>>You said:
>>
>>
>>>Retirement is beautiful because of no need to worry about
>>>research projects and publications.  I love the teaching when I don't
>>>have all that other crap that is considered more important.>
>>>
>
> I don't think you're likely to <get it>, so I'll make this brief.  Crap
> to me is stuff I consider a bother -- stuff I don't like fooling with.
> That does not include an attitude of disdain.


        I apologize for your crappy life.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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02003-08-24 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >I thought "signifying" was pitching complicated insults at EACH OTHER.
> >Everybody understands what's going on, and there's shared judgement
> >about what's a good "snap". Where does the duped foreign person come
> >in?
>
> I have a great tape made in a bar in southern Arkansas in which the
> regular patrosn (all AA) play the dozens on a visiting EA student, who
> does not appear to have the foggiest idea what is going on. (He is taping
> for a folklore class.)

That's pretty pathetic--and hilarious--but is it "signifying"?

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> One difference between the two examples is that in the new one you are in
> fact carrying the things you label <crap>. Aove, you are clearly <not>
> carrying them, either literally or figuratively.

The crap of the earlier example is something I carried for many years.
That is why I feel happy to no longer have to carry it.  It does not
mean that I think it would be good if everybody hated doing it or if
nobody did it.  I am glad that many people love it since that makes
getting it done more pleasant for them, as well as probably with better
results.  And I think it is something that should be done.  I see no
disdain at all in that attitude.

Something that one does disdain can of course be called crap.  Nothing
in the word precludes its being applied to something somebody disdains.
But the word itself does not prove the disdain.  The disdain has to be
shown other ways.

> And as far as I know, you are still thinking of slinging peaches at my
> abode!

No, I said "if" on that one -- if I had known you were interested in
peaches from upper East Tennessee a couple of weeks ago when I was there
and when I drove through Knoxville shortly thereafter.  What do you
think I'm disdaining, btw, peaches or your abode?

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> See: http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_244c.html

That makes some good points, but I don't think I would choose it as the
best description/definition.  Doesn't Gates's book start out with a good
description?  I haven't looked at that book in a long time.  (I don't
own a copy.  I read a library copy.)

I bet there are excerpts from it on the web.

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This is about Gates, not from Gates, but I think it contains some
interesting stuff:

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The roles of Esu and of the Monkey, in several accounts of the myth, are
crucial. For reasons extremely
          difficult to reconstruct, the monkey became, through a
displacement in African myths in the New World, a
          central character in this crucial scene of instruction. [. .
.] What is clear is that Esu's role as the first
          interpreter survived the Middle Passage accompanied both by
the Monkey and the tree in which the
          monkeys lived and from which they selected the sixteen palm
nuts that became the sacred characters of
          Ifa divination. [Gates then connects the monkey to the
Afro-Cuban figure of the guije or jigue {from the
          Efik-Ejagham (Cameroons) word jiwe, "monkey"}, a black
trickster topos sometimes appearing as a
          small black man, sometimes appearing as a monkey. This figure,
according to Gates, crossed over to the
          continental United States and became the African American
'signifying monkey.'] If Esu stands for
          discourse upon a text, then his Pan-African kinsman, the
Signifying Monkey, stands for the rhetorical
          strategies of which each literary text consists. For the
Signifying Monkey exists as the great trope of
          Afro-American discourse, and the trope of tropes, his language
of Signifyin(g) [this is Gates's coinage for
          the black vernacular practice of signification, particularly
oral practices involving double-voiced trickery
          through indirection that can involve innuendo, needling, and
ridiculing] is his verbal sign in the
          Afro-American tradition.
******************
from: http://social.chass.ncsu.edu/wyrick/debclass/gates.htm

Here is when I would prefer to be using Unix mailx.  A quick ~|fmt would
make the above look better.

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Here's a cogent description:

*************
Subjected cultures develop a way of using the "masters'"
        language in order to retain or gain some independence, or
        voices of their own. "Signifying" is a way people (usually in a
        weak position) play with language to trick other people (usually
        in a position of power) who don't understand the language play.
*************
from: http://tinyurl.com/l11s

I wish I had the signifying monkey here to help me trick Spencer out
from under the decklet, where he is hiding because he felt a bath coming
on.  Why are dogs so savvy about things like that?  I bathe him in the
bathtub far, far more often than I do outside since in most ways it's
easier to administer a bathtub bath.  Yet he obviously remembers the
outside baths.  All I did was go get the hose and stick the end of it
inside the fence.  I've done that when planting things and on various
other occasions, yet he realized the <significance> this time and headed
way up under the decklet.  When I speak to him, he just sits there
staring and licking his lips.

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>Why do you think I'd love them?  I've never understood Macs.

The new ones are easy to understand and fun to use.  And they've got real
Un*x on them, too -- even better than MS-DOS.

Pete

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > I don't think you're likely to <get it>, so I'll make this brief.  Crap
> > to me is stuff I consider a bother -- stuff I don't like fooling with.
> > That does not include an attitude of disdain.
>
>         I apologize for your crappy life.

My crappy life?  I don't find my life crappy at all.  But why would you
be apologizing for somebody else's life anyway?  Iow, I'm confused.

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Some Gates excerpts:

<http://social.chass.ncsu.edu/wyrick/debclass/gates.htm>
<http://mason.gmu.edu/~stichy/685gates.htm>

Pete

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When I tried to lure Spencer out by squeaking and tossing his squeaky
toys, he wagged to indicate pleasure with the show I guess but didn't
budge.  Finally I managed to get him close enough to the edge of the
decklet by using cream cheese and a dog biscuit -- pushing them in
pretty close to him and then gradually luring him out.  Even then, he
stood firm, giving up the goodies rather than coming out from under the
decklet.  But I had managed to get him close enough to grab his collar
and drag him far enough out so that I could then grab his front legs (in
a humane sort of way) and get him a bit further out until I could pick
him up (one thing I was hoping to avoid with the outside bath -- picking
him up ain't easy), carry him over to turn on the hose, and <do the
deed>.  It was far from a great bath, but it's over with thank
goodness.  And now he has slopped wetness all over the house so I can't
vacuum, which was what I was planning to do next.  (With inside baths,
my order of events is to vacuum, then dump dog into bathtub, and then do
the rest of the housecleaning.  But I didn't think about it with the
outside bath.  Dumb.)
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On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > > > What's an activity?
> > > > Oh, like bingo, belly-dancing, Burning Man - and those are just some of
> > > > the 'b's !
> > > how about some Cs now/
> > Canasta is the only 'c'.  Well, there's coke-snorting of course.
> Not even any 'ch'?

How careless of me.  Of course.  Natalie should reconsider chumming.
http://www.dto.com/swfishing/methods/method.jsp?Articleid=299&Articletypeid=116

Ann

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Speaking of sluggish...I had not received any words-l mail since
Tuesday.  My thought was that I had been banished as the result of
Sobig.f and BC's misbehaving mail servers.  Then suddenly last night my
mailbox was flooded with over 800 messages from y'all.  I suspect that I
will not read them all :-)

Rita L.

Betty wrote:

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> Our system has been very sluggish.  I'm getting e-mail slowly and out of
> order now.
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>

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> Sobig.f and BC's misbehaving mail servers.  Then suddenly last night
my
> mailbox was flooded with over 800 messages from y'all.  I suspect that
I
> will not read them all :-)
>
> Rita L.

Yesterday I was getting probably 5-10
copies of each email.  It really piled up.

              - D. M.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
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> This is about Gates, not from Gates, but I think it contains some

Wrong.  Most of it is in fact from Gates, not about him.  I guess I must
have glanced at some of the bracketed inserts.

--
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    washing dog covers now

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> The new ones are easy to understand and fun to use.  And they've got real
> Un*x on them, too -- even better than MS-DOS.

Hmmm.  The Un*x is indeed a lure.

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> How careless of me.  Of course.  Natalie should reconsider chumming.
> http://www.dto.com/swfishing/methods/method.jsp?Articleid=299&Articletypeid=116

Reconsider?  Have I considered it previously?  It does not sound
appealing to me.  I didn't enjoy chumming Spencer to the edge of the
decklet and think I would hate doing it with fish.

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Rita Leonard wrote:
>
>   I suspect that I
> will not read them all :-)

You will miss important gems.

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Today began cool---at 0800, it was 54F at the airport and in our living
room.  The high was to be in the high 60s (it hasn't made it there yet)
with north/northwest winds at 10-15 mph.  After breakfast, we caught a
shuttle bus and were dropped off at the Gorge Path--a trail that winds
through the gorge between Cadillac and Dorr mountains.  We climbed it---a
very gradual climb for a half mile or so.  Very interesting terrain.  Very
rocky, and in one area, we crossed what must be a seasonal (spring) stream
bed---but I don't think I've seen such a stream bed before in the park.  It
is wide---20 feet or so in places---and the bed consists almost totally of
pink granite rocks---mostly larger than one would want to carry for very
far.  It must be very dramatic during snow-melt.

After crossing the stream bed, we took the Hemlock trail and again began to
climb until we found the Kebo Mountain trail.  That we took to the
top.  The top of Kebo actually is three peaks, so one climbs, then drops,
climbs, etc.  The final peak is the true summit, with views across
Frenchman Bay, past the Porcupine Islands, to Schoodic.  From the top, you
can also look across part of the golf course to our neighborhood---you
can't see our house, although you can spot the big willow next door that
shades part of our back yard.  All the way across the top of Kebo, we
walked through stands of gnarled pines.  All along the path at our feet
were blueberry bushes.  The berries were so ripe that one could simply
brush a hand through the foliage and come out with a mouthful of berries.

During one of the busier times of the year, once we left the Gorge Path, we
had the trails to ourselves.  The descent from Kebo summit to the loop road
(less than a mile from where we had entered the Gorge Path) was rapid; we
walked the loop road to the connector through the golf course, and home.

cwv

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= >That's who I am.  You'll just have to live with it; I do.
=
= I love you, Stevie.
=

I love you too, bad betty.

= We're on our way here today.  I'll look for Myles.
=
= http://pacificcoastairmuseum.org/airshow2003/airshow2003.asp

Why is there an air show at the stair museum and what the hell is
a stair museum?

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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

>        I apologize for your crappy life.

Best post of the day!

Bethany

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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>and when I drove through Knoxville shortly thereafter.  What do you
>think I'm disdaining, btw, peaches or your abode?

Neither.

Bethany

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Go Ahead Try It....

To-o-o-o weird...this is true !!!


Sitting on a chair, make clockwise circles with your right foot. 

While doing this, draw the number "6" in the air with your right hand.

Your foot will change direction - guaranteed!!!!!  



              - D. M.

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(thousand
> sorries)

Sound suspiciously like "many (insert any number) thanks".

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A good article on the energy policy and campaign contributions behind the
scenes at the Blackout of 2003:

"Bush Turns Blind Eye to Blackout Culprit"
<http://www.corpwatch.org/issues/PID.jsp?articleid=8131>.

Pete

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> >        I apologize for your crappy life.
>
> Best post of the day!

I still don't get it.

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steph:
= = >That's who I am.  You'll just have to live with it; I do.
= =
= = I love you, Stevie.
= =
=
= I love you too, bad betty.
=
= = We're on our way here today.  I'll look for Myles.
= =
= = http://pacificcoastairmuseum.org/airshow2003/airshow2003.asp
=
= Why is there an air show at the stair museum and what the hell is
= a stair museum?

And does a Fokker triplane live at that airport?

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Doris Markland wrote:
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> Go Ahead Try It....
>
> To-o-o-o weird...this is true !!!
>
> Sitting on a chair, make clockwise circles with your right foot.
>
> While doing this, draw the number "6" in the air with your right hand.
>
> Your foot will change direction - guaranteed!!!!!

Oh.My.Gosh.  I find it somehow creepy.  I'm tempted to try it again but
am still feeling too creeped out by what happened the first time.

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= >
= > Your foot will change direction - guaranteed!!!!!
=
= Oh.My.Gosh.  I find it somehow creepy.  I'm tempted to try it again but
= am still feeling too creeped out by what happened the first time.
=
= --
=  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I wouldn't worry about it too much.  It's probably one of those
right brain left brain kinds of things.

(I did it twice, and both time got switched)

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>The descent from Kebo summit to the loop road
>(less than a mile from where we had entered the Gorge Path) was rapid; we
>walked the loop road to the connector through the golf course, and home.
>cwv

And when we got home to our neighborhood, there was Neal, napping in the
sun in his wheel chair.  So we stopped, as do all the neighbors, to say
hello and chat.  He quickly confided in us that he had stupidly hit
"disable" when he meant to merely shut down his computer.  Now his Verizon
DSL modem did not work and he didn't know how to get it back up.  Although
we are still on dial-up modems, we offered to give it the ole college
try.  So we accompanied him into his kitchen where, between the two of us,
we figured out how to enable his DSL.  He was very grateful.

By the way, this was our first hike together of the season.  Our only other
forays into the Park have been Clyde's July 3rd hike with Rashmi and my
walk with Betty on July 5th.  We haven't kayaked yet either.  Where has the
summer gone?


bonnie

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> "Bush Turns Blind Eye to Blackout Culprit"
> <http://www.corpwatch.org/issues/PID.jsp?articleid=8131>.

Good one.  I blogged a couple yesterday or day before about how Bush
will be able to turn the blackout into a windfall.

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I just looked at fb schedules and saw that Southern is playing "at
California" at 3:30 next Saturday.
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>> >        I apologize for your crappy life.
>>
>> Best post of the day!
>
>I still don't get it.

Contender for most honest post of the day!

Bethany

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> TMI.  But nobody has to read it.

I read every word, because I often think that it's a
shame we don't think about our ancestors more often.
Even those we know nothing about.  At least we know
something about the times in which they lived, so we
can imagine how they coped with the daily pitfalls and
windfalls of their places in history.

My Welsh father traced his antecedents well back in
time, and was shocked that some were illiterate.  I
was surprised that he didn't realize that was standard
for indigent, secular common folk.

As for those aged relatives I did know, oh, the
stories they could tell!

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> > > Trader Joe's frozen avocado halves are great,
> >
> >Thank you! I've never seen these.
>
> Who would buy half an avocado?

Me. They're sold in bags of maybe 15 or 20.

I've never bought a fresh avocado.

--Adam
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On Sunday, August 24, 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> > > Trader Joe's frozen avocado halves are great,
>> >
>> >Thank you! I've never seen these.
>>
>> Who would buy half an avocado?

> Me. They're sold in bags of maybe 15 or 20.

> I've never bought a fresh avocado.

Oh.

Well, that's weird!

Karen

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> It can be even better if one comes through the line with some
> unusual item.
>
> cwv

Ugh. I hate chatty cashiers. They're almost as bads as the ones who don't
know the produce.

Am I becoming a curmudgeonly recluse in that I'm starting to prefer the
self-service checkout lanes at the Stop & Shop?

--Adam
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Have you heard?

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"Armadillo eggs" was mentioned in my last post.  A Google search turns up
1,430 hits.  Time to take notice.

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You should read the Sedaris essay "City of Angels."  It is
so similar to your story that it is eerie.

bonniev wrote:

>>        But they *are* afraid they're being taken advantage of.
>> Bonnie's quote was exactly the same as in the essay I was
>> reading.  I'm just wondering what would make them think that
>> since it is not a cultural practice in Yankee-land to do
>> things like that.              --Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
>
> Actually, it was Clyde's quote.  The incident he was referring too wasn't
> exactly a matter of the Southerners feeling duped so much as the
> Southerners feeling insulted and put-upon.  And it was certainly a matter
> of the bad behavior beginning with the group of Southerners upon check-in
> to the Inn.  Nothing was right; they didn't like the place; they rather
> loudly and boorishly proclaimed their dislike as they were shown around the
> Inn.  Finally, the young man who was checking them in had had enough and,
> against all Inn policy, gave them their deposit back and told them they
> were free to find lodging more to their liking.  That's when the statement
> of horror came from them:  "you wouldn't treat us this way if we weren't
> Southerners!"
>
> They were the worst kind of stereotypical Southerners: women with high
> piled high and gold jewelry abundant playing submissive to their obnoxious
> husbands.
>
>
> bonnie
>


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Adam Hartfield wrote:


> Am I becoming a curmudgeonly recluse in that I'm starting to prefer the
> self-service checkout lanes at the Stop & Shop?


        But how else would you know the best deals in the store?  My
regular cashiers tell me all kinds of things.  I don't chat
for nothing.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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> http://www.louisvillescene.com/music/concerts/2003/20030823nittygr
> itty.html

You didn't like Cledus T. Judd? You must not like the new Spike network,
either. Faugh!

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> We are like those blackbirds in that Wallace Stevens poem.

One his poems was the basis for one of my favorite Nields songs, "Snowman."

http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/8656/tn-snowman.html

--Adam
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 You can, of
> course, make
> arguments that certain forms are better or worse in
> certain social or
> professional or political contexts -- and in school,
> which is normally a
> setting that requires the standard.  There is
> nothing at all
> <inconsistent> about my telling students that there
> is nothing
> linguistically better about "he walks" as opposed to
> "he walk" and then
> merrily give them an F for writing "he walk."

Please let me start off by saying that everything I
say is from the point of view of a lay person.  I have
never studied these matters.  So my personal viewpoint
is one of formed by observation and an nearly
obsessive ear for American English.

I will be the first to admit to the prevalence of
distinct dialects in all sections of the country.  The
evolution of these dialects is, to me, one of the
fascinating parts of language.

These dialects, whether technically "correct" or not,
are facts of life which not even the most astute and
persuasive teacher can overcome.  Environment and
heredity are everything, where language and culture
are involved.

Still, I feel there should be standards to which we
must hold ourselves.  There seems little point in
grammar being taught at all if corruptions are
explained away as acceptable dialects.  Wait!  Don't
get upset with me yet.

IMO, the bottom line is our utilization of the
language and how that use is perceived by others we
encounter in common existence.  To use your example,
if I told you, without irony or jest, that "I seed a
deer jump into the road", what would your perception
of me be?

Your example of "he walks" as opposing "he walk"
deals, I think, with that nebulous area some call
"Ebonics". And that is a whole 'nother discussion.

So I guess it is my position that we (or at least I)
judge others, to a certain degree, by their manner of
speech.  "She laid down on the bed", is to me,
incorrect.  She may have laid eggs or engaged in
sexual behavior, but she did not lay down.

I'm running out of energy, but this is just part of
what's on my mind.  And, boy, am I glad you gave me a
chance to speak it.:-}



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Lynne Weber wrote:



> I will be the first to admit to the prevalence of
> distinct dialects in all sections of the country.  The
> evolution of these dialects is, to me, one of the
> fascinating parts of language.


        Steinbeck said they were disapearing back in the 60's, and I
caught something on NPR this morning about somebody claiming
that accents are now disapearing.  I doubt both.


> These dialects, whether technically "correct" or not,
> are facts of life which not even the most astute and
> persuasive teacher can overcome.  Environment and
> heredity are everything, where language and culture
> are involved.


        Heredity is not involved in dialect.  There is nothing
genetic about it.


> Still, I feel there should be standards to which we
> must hold ourselves.  There seems little point in
> grammar being taught at all if corruptions are
> explained away as acceptable dialects.  Wait!  Don't
> get upset with me yet.


        That's absurd.  There is plenty of point.


> IMO, the bottom line is our utilization of the
> language and how that use is perceived by others we
> encounter in common existence.  To use your example,
> if I told you, without irony or jest, that "I seed a
> deer jump into the road", what would your perception
> of me be?


        That you were speaking in dialect.  I dislike how it sounds
(actually, around here, the dialect would be "I seen a
deer"), but I would assume you did not feel a need to use SE
with me (all other indications being that you know SE).


> Your example of "he walks" as opposing "he walk"
> deals, I think, with that nebulous area some call
> "Ebonics". And that is a whole 'nother discussion.


        Ebonics is hardly nebulous.


> So I guess it is my position that we (or at least I)
> judge others, to a certain degree, by their manner of
> speech.  "She laid down on the bed", is to me,
> incorrect.  She may have laid eggs or engaged in
> sexual behavior, but she did not lay down.


        In my dialect, that phrase is correct.  However, you would
never catch my dialectical group confusing "sit" and "set."


> I'm running out of energy, but this is just part of
> what's on my mind.  And, boy, am I glad you gave me a
> chance to speak it.:-}


        You're aware that "whom" is widely considered to be passing
out of the language, aren't you?




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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> I have no authority to authorize.  The democratic thing would be to take
> a vote.  Or we could simply ask AdamLH, our benevolent dictator, to make
> a ruling.

You don't like it, you delete it. Too bad for the people on digest or
reading the archives.

Has much spam gotten through to the list of late?

I'm trying to figure out a way to disassociate the ooga cooga edu address
from <us>. Seems as if it's been picked up by a spammer and is being used as
a return address. I'm getting a LOT of delivery failure notices (as is Jim
Bradley).

--Adam
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On Sunday, August 24, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> Have you heard?

No, but I also don't care. I don't eat jalapenos.

Karen

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> > > I bet you have been chastised for having
> included my whole long posting
> > > in your reply.
> >
> > No, she hasn't. Do you authorize it? I can do it.

No, T.S. is correct, I was not chastised.  Now that I
realize what a trial it is to others to cope with all
that copy, I know I should have edited.  It is as much
a matter of courtesy as anything else.  I just hate to
delete words.  It's at the root of the reason I've
always disliked "Reader's Digest".

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>
> Maybe this explains all the unrest and
> warring?  Is there a way we could move a
> bit closer to Venus?

Only we women can.

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        Me Talk Pretty One Day.

bonniev wrote:

> Where (in what book) would I find this Sedaris essay??
>
>
>> You should read the Sedaris essay "City of Angels."  It is
>> so similar to your story that it is eerie.
>>
>> bonniev wrote:
>>
>>>>        But they *are* afraid they're being taken advantage of.
>>>> Bonnie's quote was exactly the same as in the essay I was
>>>> reading.  I'm just wondering what would make them think that
>>>> since it is not a cultural practice in Yankee-land to do
>>>> things like that.              --Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually, it was Clyde's quote.  The incident he was referring too
>>> wasn't
>>> exactly a matter of the Southerners feeling duped so much as the
>>> Southerners feeling insulted and put-upon.  And it was certainly a
>>> matter
>>> of the bad behavior beginning with the group of Southerners upon
>>> check-in
>>> to the Inn.  Nothing was right; they didn't like the place; they rather
>>> loudly and boorishly proclaimed their dislike as they were shown
>>> around the
>>> Inn.  Finally, the young man who was checking them in had had enough
>>> and,
>>> against all Inn policy, gave them their deposit back and told them they
>>> were free to find lodging more to their liking.  That's when the
>>> statement
>>> of horror came from them:  "you wouldn't treat us this way if we weren't
>>> Southerners!"
>>>
>>> They were the worst kind of stereotypical Southerners: women with high
>>> piled high and gold jewelry abundant playing submissive to their
>>> obnoxious
>>> husbands.
>>>
>>>
>>> bonnie
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>>
>>
>
> bonnie
>


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> I don't care about that, but I loathe the word
> 'utilization'.

I don't require you to utilize it.
>
> > "She laid down on the bed", is to me,
> > incorrect.
>
> My dialect lacks the lay/lie distinction. I'm
> reasonably well
> educated, but I still can't get past this--I just
> don't have it in me.

It is the same rule that applies to sit and set.  Not
hard, really.


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> Has much spam gotten through to the list of late?
>
> I'm trying to figure out a way to disassociate the
> ooga cooga edu address
> from <us>. Seems as if it's been picked up by a
> spammer and is being used as
> a return address. I'm getting a LOT of delivery
> failure notices (as is Jim
> Bradley).


Adam,

I got a few yesterday, but only one today.  Thank you
for your efforts.:-}

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On Sunday, August 24, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> My dialect lacks the lay/lie distinction. I'm
>> reasonably well
>> educated, but I still can't get past this--I just
>> don't have it in me.

> It is the same rule that applies to sit and set.  Not
> hard, really.

Not if you have the distinction in your native dialect, no.

Karen

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Lynne Weber wrote:

>>I don't care about that, but I loathe the word
>>'utilization'.
>>
>
> I don't require you to utilize it.
>
>>>"She laid down on the bed", is to me,
>>>incorrect.
>>>
>>My dialect lacks the lay/lie distinction. I'm
>>reasonably well
>>educated, but I still can't get past this--I just
>>don't have it in me.
>>
>
> It is the same rule that applies to sit and set.  Not
> hard, really.


        Ya'll heah dat, Karen?  You could larn sumptin about grammer
from dis one.




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--- Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> wrote:
> Speaking of dinner, Larry ate part of his BLT over
> the sink yesterday for lunch.

That makes him absolutely "human", and entirely approachable.

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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>Still, I feel there should be standards to which we >must hold ourselves.
There seems little point in >grammar being taught at all if corruptions
are >explained away as acceptable dialects.  Wait!  Don't >get upset with
me yet.

The problem here is that you are thinking of variant forms as
<corruptions> - t'aint necessarily true. Most variant forms have existed
for hundreds of years. They are NOT always "corrupted" forms of somebody
else's form.

If you want to talk about perceptions based on variation, that is a
whole nother matter.

Have you seen "American Tongues"?

Bethany

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On Sunday, August 24, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> IMO, the bottom line is our utilization of the
> language and how that use is perceived by others we
> encounter in common existence.  To use your example,
> if I told you, without irony or jest, that "I seed a
> deer jump into the road", what would your perception
> of me be?

I don't care about that, but I loathe the word 'utilization'.

> "She laid down on the bed", is to me,
> incorrect.

My dialect lacks the lay/lie distinction. I'm reasonably well
educated, but I still can't get past this--I just don't have it in me.

Karen

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Where (in what book) would I find this Sedaris essay??


>You should read the Sedaris essay "City of Angels."  It is
>so similar to your story that it is eerie.
>
>bonniev wrote:
>
>>>        But they *are* afraid they're being taken advantage of.
>>>Bonnie's quote was exactly the same as in the essay I was
>>>reading.  I'm just wondering what would make them think that
>>>since it is not a cultural practice in Yankee-land to do
>>>things like that.              --Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>
>>
>>Actually, it was Clyde's quote.  The incident he was referring too wasn't
>>exactly a matter of the Southerners feeling duped so much as the
>>Southerners feeling insulted and put-upon.  And it was certainly a matter
>>of the bad behavior beginning with the group of Southerners upon check-in
>>to the Inn.  Nothing was right; they didn't like the place; they rather
>>loudly and boorishly proclaimed their dislike as they were shown around the
>>Inn.  Finally, the young man who was checking them in had had enough and,
>>against all Inn policy, gave them their deposit back and told them they
>>were free to find lodging more to their liking.  That's when the statement
>>of horror came from them:  "you wouldn't treat us this way if we weren't
>>Southerners!"
>>
>>They were the worst kind of stereotypical Southerners: women with high
>>piled high and gold jewelry abundant playing submissive to their obnoxious
>>husbands.
>>
>>
>>bonnie
>
>
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>
>

bonnie

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On Sunday, August 24, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>> It is the same rule that applies to sit and set.  Not
>> hard, really.

>         Ya'll heah dat, Karen?  You could larn sumptin about grammer
> from dis one.

This brings to mind my current favorit websight:
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Karen

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On Sunday, August 24, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> On Sunday, August 24, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>>>It is the same rule that applies to sit and set.  Not
>>>>hard, really.
>>>>
>>
>>>        Ya'll heah dat, Karen?  You could larn sumptin about grammer
>>>from dis one.
>>>
>>
>> This brings to mind my current favorit websight:
>> http://j-walk.com/other/myrtle/index.htm


>         This website is hilarious, but I'm Very Sad that you didn't
> acknowledge my Very Best Zora Neale Hurston impression. Boo hoo.

Sorry, I am Just Too Ignorant.

They have ZNH 37-cent stamps, you know.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Sunday, August 24, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>>It is the same rule that applies to sit and set.  Not
>>>hard, really.
>>>
>
>>        Ya'll heah dat, Karen?  You could larn sumptin about grammer
>>from dis one.
>>
>
> This brings to mind my current favorit websight:
> http://j-walk.com/other/myrtle/index.htm


        This website is hilarious, but I'm Very Sad that you didn't
acknowledge my Very Best Zora Neale Hurston impression. Boo hoo.





--
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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Sunday, August 24, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>
>>>On Sunday, August 24, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>It is the same rule that applies to sit and set.  Not
>>>>>hard, really.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>       Ya'll heah dat, Karen?  You could larn sumptin about grammer
>>>>
>>>>from dis one.
>>>
>>>This brings to mind my current favorit websight:
>>>http://j-walk.com/other/myrtle/index.htm
>>>
>
>
>>        This website is hilarious, but I'm Very Sad that you didn't
>>acknowledge my Very Best Zora Neale Hurston impression. Boo hoo.
>>
>
> Sorry, I am Just Too Ignorant.
>
> They have ZNH 37-cent stamps, you know.


        Indeed, I do.  I used them to send yer-kid-is-failing notes
last year.



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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >> >        I apologize for your crappy life.
> >>
> >> Best post of the day!
> >
> >I still don't get it.
>
> Contender for most honest post of the day!

?  I can't speak for others, but I think that all of my postings today,
of which there have been beaucoup, were equally honest.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> I've never bought a fresh avocado.

I have found it <offensive> in the past when people have expressed this
sentiment about my own food choices and therefore I am hesitant to say
this, but I will say it anyway:  I find that very sad.  I guess I'm not
in a position to comment on frozen avocados, having never eaten one --
in fact, having never even been aware they existed.  But I somehow think
that it would not be as wonderful an avocado experience as a fresh one
would be.  I think I've mentioned before that if I need an avocado for
something I'm making for guests, I always buy two.  Otherwise, I would
eat most of the guests' avocado fare in the fixing.  I love avocados.

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At 09:30 PM 8/24/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
>= >That's who I am.  You'll just have to live with it; I do.
>=
>= I love you, Stevie.
>=
>
>I love you too, bad betty.
>
>= We're on our way here today.  I'll look for Myles.
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>= http://pacificcoastairmuseum.org/airshow2003/airshow2003.asp
>
>Why is there an air show at the stair museum and what the hell is
>a stair museum?

Air museum at the Santa Rosa airport.  It was very hot. They had some
pretty impressive pre show model airplanes entertain us for a while. Only
one jumper who displayed a flag but it just couldn't compete with the Blue
Angels.

Betty

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Natal Mayor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>You should read the Sedaris essay "City of Angels."  It is
>>so similar to your story that it is eerie.
>>
>
> You've gotten me interested in reading it also.  I was thinking earlier
> today that you need to visit the South more often.  I know you've
> visited Memphis -- I remember your talking about the zoo etc.  Where
> else in the South have you been?  I seriously think you would find it an
> interesting cultural exploration -- that your appreciation of
> multicultural stuff would make you enjoy spending some time in the
> South.


        Hmm.  Just Arkansas and Florida.  I don't think you consider
the Virginias, Kentucky, and Tennessee (other than Memphis)
the South?  And Florida is debatable, I know.  It's not so
formidable now that I'm acclimated to the heat, so we'll get
there.  Ana has 13 states under her belt, and summer road
trips are a mom-daughter tradition.  I think it would be fun
to just drive down along the river.  I'll have to look at
some maps to see how much of that is possible.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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I was talking to someone after Meeting about this today. I said I
thought that it was about 10-15% without jobs, and another 30 percent
underemployed. Another person said he thought it was higher than that.

What do you think?

Karen

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bonniev wrote:

>   Where has the
> summer gone?

That is a very good question.  Tempus fugit.

I liked your story of Neal and the fixing of his dsl.

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At 07:02 PM 8/24/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>?  I can't speak for others, but I think that all of my postings today,
>of which there have been beaucoup, were equally honest.

Perhaps moreso than some.  Bethany spent the day attempting to score
debating points, or some damned thing.

cwv

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On Sunday, August 24, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I love avocados.

They are an aphrodisiac.

Karen

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Lynne Weber wrote:

>  At least we know
> something about the times in which they lived, so we
> can imagine how they coped with the daily pitfalls and
> windfalls of their places in history.

I think I've said before that if I were a jr high or so history teacher,
I would have my students into genealogy, their own or in cases where
they might not know who their parents were, somebody else's.  It brings
a personalization to history when you're tracking ordinary individuals.
My genealogical explorations, even here in late life, have given me a
different angle on history -- a different filter -- whatever.

> My Welsh father traced his antecedents well back in
> time, and was shocked that some were illiterate.  I
> was surprised that he didn't realize that was standard
> for indigent, secular common folk.

Things like that are an example.  I'm sure your father studied history,
memorizing dates and studying wars and all that stuff people do in
history classes.  But so many interesting little details are overlooked.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> You should read the Sedaris essay "City of Angels."  It is
> so similar to your story that it is eerie.

You've gotten me interested in reading it also.  I was thinking earlier
today that you need to visit the South more often.  I know you've
visited Memphis -- I remember your talking about the zoo etc.  Where
else in the South have you been?  I seriously think you would find it an
interesting cultural exploration -- that your appreciation of
multicultural stuff would make you enjoy spending some time in the
South.

--
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At 02:42 PM 8/24/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>I just looked at fb schedules and saw that Southern is playing "at
>California" at 3:30 next Saturday.
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Go, Bears!

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At 09:44 PM 8/24/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
>= = http://pacificcoastairmuseum.org/airshow2003/airshow2003.asp
>=
>= Why is there an air show at the stair museum and what the hell is
>= a stair museum?
>
>And does a Fokker triplane live at that airport?

It was not featured today if it does. Larry enjoyed looking at the
helicopters that took him around the missile sites in Montana. We did board
a few.

Betty

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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>
>> >> >        I apologize for your crappy life.
>> >>
>> >> Best post of the day!
>> >
>> >I still don't get it.
>>
>> Contender for most honest post of the day!
>
>?  I can't speak for others, but I think that all of my postings today,
>of which there have been beaucoup, were equally honest.

Okay - ContenderS for most honest post of the day! (Lots of contenders
- just like California!)

Bethany

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On Sunday, August 24, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>>
>>> >> >        I apologize for your crappy life.
>>> >>
>>> >> Best post of the day!
>>> >
>>> >I still don't get it.
>>>
>>> Contender for most honest post of the day!
>>
>>?  I can't speak for others, but I think that all of my postings today,
>>of which there have been beaucoup, were equally honest.

> Okay - ContenderS for most honest post of the day! (Lots of contenders
> - just like California!)

I'm curious as to which posts you think haven't been honest today.

Karen

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At 05:01 PM 8/24/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>        Me Talk Pretty One Day.

My daughter just loaned this to me.  My books are piling up.  I need
another vacation.

Betty

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> If you want to talk about perceptions based on variation, that is a
> whole nother matter.

And this reminds me of something I meant to say in my long epistle of a
little while ago.  I suddenly remembered that Lynne said something about
"misuse" of the language in the South.  But the examples she just
mentioned aren't regional.  There's nothing <Southern> about
intransitive lay, e.g.  I think she may be getting language change mixed
up with region, because of having spent early years in one region and
later years in another.

> Have you seen "American Tongues"?

I still love that tape, even though it is getting pretty old now.  (And,
as I mentioned earlier, there are at least four different versions of
it.  The shortest one leaves out some good stuff.  I've never seen the
longest one -- I think it was removed from <circulation> early since
some people objected to its discussion of the word "nigger."  And that
reminds me of an excellent discussion in my Sociolinguistics class last
spring about the pros and cons of African American use of that word.  A
student had given an oral report on her paper on that topic, and it
evoked good discussion.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> These dialects, whether technically "correct" or not,
> are facts of life which not even the most astute and
> persuasive teacher can overcome.

I can assure you that they are technically correct.  There is no dialect
without rules, and children absorb those rules at very young ages.  By
the time children start to school they've mastered almost all of their
native grammar.  A few things like use of subordinate clauses comes
later, but it comes later not because of schooling -- it's just a
slightly later part of language acquisition.  It would happen with or
without schooling.

>  Environment and
> heredity are everything, where language and culture
> are involved.

Heredity?  I don't think so (except that you inherited from earlier
human beings the LAD -- the general language-acquisition device).
Environment for sure.  Where else would language and culture come from?

> Still, I feel there should be standards to which we
> must hold ourselves.  There seems little point in
> grammar being taught at all if corruptions are
> explained away as acceptable dialects.  Wait!  Don't
> get upset with me yet.

Well, I'm not exactly upset with you, but I must admit that your "if
corruptions are explained away as acceptable dialects" has made me
ROFL.  Corruptions?  That suggests to me something that was sound and
then got broken somehow.  How does that fit re language?

> IMO, the bottom line is our utilization of the
> language and how that use is perceived by others we
> encounter in common existence.  To use your example,
> if I told you, without irony or jest, that "I seed a
> deer jump into the road", what would your perception
> of me be?

My perception would be that you were <lower classed>.  As I said
earlier, no dialect is better or worse than any other *linguistically*.
And all are rule-governed.  It's just that some of the rules differ in
different dialects.  (The majority of the rules are shared, however,
which is how we know what "a language" is -- which actually isn't quite
as simple as it sounds, but we don't need to sprout into that topic
right now.)  Dialects most definitely vary in their <social status> --
using social in a pretty wide sense now -- political, professional, etc.
etc.

> Your example of "he walks" as opposing "he walk"
> deals, I think, with that nebulous area some call
> "Ebonics". And that is a whole 'nother discussion.

I wasn't thinking specifically of Ebonics when I gave that example.
What is nebulous about Ebonics, btw?  The phonological, morphological,
and synatatic rules, plus lexicon, are well defined.  Certain rules in
Ebonics are more refined -- i.e., show more distinctions -- more complex
you might say -- than those in the standard dialect.  You would no doubt
make quite a few grammatical errors if trying to use some of the verb
forms in Ebonics.  So would I, even though I would have an advantage of
having studied them a good bit.  Standard English (in most of its forms)
conflates certain things that Ebonics separates, for example.  Etc. etc.

> So I guess it is my position that we (or at least I)
> judge others, to a certain degree, by their manner of
> speech.

I don't think anybody exists who doesn't.  I certainly would not
question that.  Anybody who claims not to make judgments based on manner
of speech is lying.

>  "She laid down on the bed", is to me,
> incorrect.

It is not part of my grammar.  I would never say "laid down on the bed"
since it would violate my native grammar.  But "laid down on the bed"
would be correct in the grammars of many English speakers.  It happens
that my dialect fits with the preferred usage of most handbooks on that
one, so I don't have to stop and think about it if I'm writing an
<important letter> or whatever (though I can't think exactly how "lay
down on the bed" would fit into such a latter).  But the handbooks are
going to change soon.  The majority of younger speakers, at least in the
US, use intransitive lay.  When people like POTUSes and national news
commentators start doing it, the old prescription against it will go
away.  It will still make my skin crawl to hear it.  I can't help that.
It's my gut reaction.  I still think "redneck" when I hear intransitive
lay because I grew up with that perception.  That first reaction to it
may never go away, even though it should since use of intransitive lay
does not mean redneck and since that particular change is well on its
way to completion.

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Betty wrote:

> At 05:01 PM 8/24/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        Me Talk Pretty One Day.
>
>
> My daughter just loaned this to me.  My books are piling up.  I need
> another vacation.


        You'll like it.  I have 6 books going at once right now,
which is really too many.  It'll take me until Christmas to
finish them all, I think, since I'm back in school for
meetings, etc. all next week and my grad class starts
tomorrow night.

        I have to say, I love the lesson plans at the website for the
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.  I just found one that will
totally make my Robert Frost unit.


        I had the weirdest experience today.  I got into the truck to
go to Office Max, and I looked up and saw my radio antenna
for the first time.  I don't know how I missed it until now.
  Which reminds, me, some of the radio stations around here
are now broadcasting so that their logo shows up on the
digital dial instead of the frequency.

        Enough babbling.
--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>I'm curious as to which posts you think haven't been honest today.

I have had no thoughts along that line today. But I do think honesty
exists on a continuum.

Bethany

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On Sunday, August 24, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         I had the weirdest experience today.  I got into the truck to
> go to Office Max, and I looked up and saw my radio antenna
> for the first time.  I don't know how I missed it until now.

My car has a button to raise and lower the antenna. I've pushed it
accidentally before, and wondered what that noise was after I stopped
the car. (The noise was the antenna lowering itself.) Could it be
something like that?

Karen

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On Sunday, August 24, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>I'm curious as to which posts you think haven't been honest today.

> I have had no thoughts along that line today.

Uh, okay.

Karen

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From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@maynor.net>
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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Steinbeck said they were disapearing back in the 60's, and I
> caught something on NPR this morning about somebody claiming
> that accents are now disapearing.  I doubt both.

People have been saying that for years, but there is no real evidence
that it's true.  It is true, of course, that mobility decreases
dialectal diversity.  It is not true that things like tv and radio do
(except in spreading of lexical items).

>         Heredity is not involved in dialect.  There is nothing
> genetic about it.

I think I've mentioned before the great cartoon in the Fromkin and
Rodman linguistics book of the English-speaking couple with their
recently adopted Korean baby and the neighbors asking if they were
studying Korean.  The new parents say no, and the neighbors say, "How
will you be able to communicate with her when she starts talking??"

> > Still, I feel there should be standards to which we
> > must hold ourselves.  There seems little point in
> > grammar being taught at all if corruptions are
> > explained away as acceptable dialects.  Wait!  Don't
> > get upset with me yet.
>
>         That's absurd.  There is plenty of point.

There's teaching grammar, and there's teaching grammar.  And I see point
in it in any case.  The grammar course I teach is "descriptive English
grammar."  It is not designed to teach anybody what is <good> or <bad>
in language use.  It's a course for people who already know English
grammar but don't know what it is they know.  It's like a physiology
course for people who already know how to move their arms and legs in
normal ways but who don't know what the muscles, tendons, brainwaves,
whatever are doing to make it happen.  Then there's the teaching of the
grammar of a language/dialect the students don't necessarily know.
Since Standard English (and that is not so easy to define -- but we're
covering enough tonight without getting into that) is expected in
various contexts, students who speak other dialects of English need to
learn the grammar in school.  Ditto grammar of foreign languages.

> > encounter in common existence.  To use your example,
> > if I told you, without irony or jest, that "I seed a
> > deer jump into the road", what would your perception
> > of me be?
>
>         That you were speaking in dialect.

It's impossible to speak without speaking a dialect.  Everybody speaks
some variety of their language.  Dialect = variety.

>         In my dialect, that phrase is correct.  However, you would
> never catch my dialectical group confusing "sit" and "set."

Your dialectical group?  Ok, I can't resist pouncing on that, even after
talking about canons last night.  It's just that I'm so used to seeing
that error because of my field -- of seeing students write dialectical
when they mean dialectal.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>         But how else would you know the best deals in the store?  My
> regular cashiers tell me all kinds of things.  I don't chat
> for nothing.

Oh, the cashiers aren't chatting with ME, they're chatting with other
employees.

I get dirty looks for interrupting their conversations with "Hello" and
"Thanks for bagging" and "Bye."

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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> What do you think?
>
> Karen

Shucks.  I thought you were going to give the answer.


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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> Has much spam gotten through to the list of late?

Not much really.  There was as sudden spate of it a day or so ago.  But
it quickly waned.

--
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Lynne Weber wrote:

>   I just hate to
> delete words.  It's at the root of the reason I've
> always disliked "Reader's Digest".

I've heard that many articles in RD are written in the seemingly
<digested> form originally.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Sunday, August 24, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        I had the weirdest experience today.  I got into the truck to
>>go to Office Max, and I looked up and saw my radio antenna
>>for the first time.  I don't know how I missed it until now.
>>
>
> My car has a button to raise and lower the antenna. I've pushed it
> accidentally before, and wondered what that noise was after I stopped
> the car. (The noise was the antenna lowering itself.) Could it be
> something like that?


        No.  I thought that at first, because the antenna on the
Mercedes goes up and down when you turn the car on and off,
and I got out and looked at it, but no, it's a regular
antenna, and I simply have not seen it for 4 months.



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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> On Sunday, August 24, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > I love avocados.
>
> They are an aphrodisiac.

I hadn't really thought about them that way.  But then I'm not sure that
I've ever associated any particular food with sex.  Oddly, I often find
reading an aphrodisiac.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Sunday, August 24, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        No.  I thought that at first, because the antenna on the
>>Mercedes goes up and down when you turn the car on and off,
>>and I got out and looked at it, but no, it's a regular
>>antenna, and I simply have not seen it for 4 months.
>>
>
> LOL. Well, you were working so hard most of that time. And then
> vacation... I dunno.
>
> What does Zora say?:)


        Oh, ain't dat sumptin, howz people sees or dont sees  dem
tings right in front of dem like da trees in da forest dat
shimmerz and waves in da hot breeze, but never steps out to
be looked at.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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On Sunday, August 24, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         No.  I thought that at first, because the antenna on the
> Mercedes goes up and down when you turn the car on and off,
> and I got out and looked at it, but no, it's a regular
> antenna, and I simply have not seen it for 4 months.

LOL. Well, you were working so hard most of that time. And then
vacation... I dunno.

What does Zora say?:)

Karen

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On Sunday, August 24, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I've heard that many articles in RD are written in the seemingly
> <digested> form originally.

I liked reading the condensed book as a child. Most of the
condensations were well enough done that they gave enough of the
flavor of the book so I could decide whether or not to read the
original.

Karen

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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Have you seen "American Tongues"?
>
>I still love that tape, even though it is getting pretty old now.  (And,
>as I mentioned earlier, there are at least four different versions of
>it.  The shortest one leaves out some good stuff.  I've never seen the
>longest one -- I think it was removed from <circulation> early since
>some people objected to its discussion of the word "nigger."  And that
>reminds me of an excellent discussion in my Sociolinguistics class last

I have never seen any of the shorter versions - I have used the full
version in class (just about every semester) since it was released
(actually, since before it was released) - you can still buy the original,
full version. We used it with new TAs here at UT in workshops two weeks
ago.

Bethany

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On Sunday, August 24, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Karen

> Shucks.  I thought you were going to give the answer.

I did give my answer. I think I have a better grasp of the reality
than Shrub does, but I was wondering what you all thought.

Karen

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Natal Mayor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:

>>        That you were speaking in dialect.
>>
>
> It's impossible to speak without speaking a dialect.  Everybody speaks
> some variety of their language.  Dialect = variety.


        Yes, of course.  I think I've read that nobody speaks
Standard English as their native dialect.  Perhaps in Pinker.


>
>>        In my dialect, that phrase is correct.  However, you would
>>never catch my dialectical group confusing "sit" and "set."
>>
>
> Your dialectical group?  Ok, I can't resist pouncing on that, even after
> talking about canons last night.  It's just that I'm so used to seeing
> that error because of my field -- of seeing students write dialectical
> when they mean dialectal.


        Yes, but my spelling is notorious :).

        I have worked very, very hard on using lie/lay correctly,
though.  It is a little like learning a foreign phrase.

        I went back to reading Umberto Eco this summer, btw -- his
semantics stuff.  I had a ton of fun with it.

--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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> It's my gut reaction.  I still think "redneck" when
> I hear intransitive
> lay because I grew up with that perception.  That
> first reaction to it
> may never go away, even though it should since use
> of intransitive lay
> does not mean redneck and since that particular
> change is well on its
> way to completion.

I have read carefully all the points you have made, as
well as those made by Rita and Karen, and I hope they
will sink into my brain.  I am a frustrated student,
after all.  I believe as long as you breathe, you
learn;  I just seem to have a greater distance to go.

For me, this has been a highly instructive discussion,
and I thank all of you, but I'm not specifying how
much.


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Betty wrote:
>
> At 02:42 PM 8/24/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >I just looked at fb schedules and saw that Southern is playing "at
> >California" at 3:30 next Saturday.
>
> Go, Bears!

That's fine with me.  I have little knowledge of or feeling about
Southern, even though it's the second largest university in my state.
It started out as a teachers' college and then grew into a
<comprehensive university> during my lifetime (the growing, I mean -- I
don't think its starting out was in my lifetime).  But I don't really
know much about who goes there.  Supposedly it has always had a good
music program, but that's about it for my knowledge of Southern.  And
since it's not in the SEC, its football achievements or failures aren't
noticed much here.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Sunday, August 24, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         Oh, ain't dat sumptin, howz people sees or dont sees  dem
> tings right in front of dem like da trees in da forest dat
> shimmerz and waves in da hot breeze, but never steps out to
> be looked at.

VERY GOOD!

Karen

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Hmm.  Just Arkansas and Florida.  I don't think you consider
> the Virginias, Kentucky, and Tennessee (other than Memphis)
> the South?  And Florida is debatable, I know.

I don't lump the Virginias together.  I don't know of anybody who thinks
that West Virginia is part of the South, though many people think that
Virginia is.  Kentucky is acknowledged by most people as border-South --
it's certainly far, far more Southern than Florida.  And Tennessee is
the South, though East Tennessee is not at all the <deep South>.
Florida isn't debatable at all, afaik.  I think it is generally
acknowledged by all people who study things like language or culture
that the Florida panhandle is Southern and the rest of the state is
not.

>  It's not so
> formidable now that I'm acclimated to the heat, so we'll get
> there.  Ana has 13 states under her belt, and summer road
> trips are a mom-daughter tradition.  I think it would be fun
> to just drive down along the river.  I'll have to look at
> some maps to see how much of that is possible.

That sounds like a great idea.  I'll hop over and visit with you when
you hit either Greenville or Vicksburg.  And you could visit Richard in
NO.

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> I did give my answer. I think I have a better grasp
> of the reality
> than Shrub does, but I was wondering what you all
> thought.

I somehow doubt that Shrub compiles the figures.  But
I can remember when it was 13% in this county, and
that was good, because local industries had better
shots at federal contracts.  That rate has dropped
considerably, but you may well be right that it is
higher than reported.

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On Sunday, August 24, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> I did give my answer. I think I have a better grasp
>> of the reality
>> than Shrub does, but I was wondering what you all
>> thought.

> I somehow doubt that Shrub compiles the figures.

I didn't say he did.

> But I can remember when it was 13% in this county, and that was
> good, because local industries had better shots at federal
> contracts. That rate has dropped considerably, but you may well be
> right that it is higher than reported.

The reported figures only include people who are receiving
unemployment compensation--and millions of people have been unemployed
long enough to be long past that.

Karen

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

>>        But how else would you know the best deals in the store?  My
>>regular cashiers tell me all kinds of things.  I don't chat
>>for nothing.
>>
>
> Oh, the cashiers aren't chatting with ME, they're chatting with other
> employees.
>
> I get dirty looks for interrupting their conversations with "Hello" and
> "Thanks for bagging" and "Bye."


        Oh, well, fuck 'em then.



--
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> Oddly, I often find
> reading an aphrodisiac.

"Tis true.


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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Lynne Weber wrote:
> >  I believe as long as you breathe, you
> > learn;  I just seem to have a greater distance to go.
>
> Ditto your first clause.  Not your second, though.

As this was zipping away, I saw the sloppy word use, with the possible
result of saying something not intended.  Yes, I believe that as long as
we breathe, we learn.  Ditto to that.  By "not your second, though," I
meant not you -- that you don't have a greater distance go go.  What I
realized it might sound like was "not me."

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--- Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:
> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> >         Hmm.  Just Arkansas and Florida.  I don't
> think you consider
> > the Virginias, Kentucky, and Tennessee (other than
> Memphis)
> > the South?  And Florida is debatable, I know.

> Florida isn't debatable at all, afaik.  I think it
> is generally
> acknowledged by all people who study things like
> language or culture
> that the Florida panhandle is Southern and the rest
> of the state is
> not.

That's because logically, the panhandle should belong
to Alabama.  I don't know enough state history to know
what sort of bargain was struck, but it was highway
robbery.


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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

>  We used it with new TAs here at UT in workshops two weeks
> ago.

I'm glad to hear that.  I've heard some people (linguists at meetings)
talk about how way out of date it is, but I don't see that.  It is old,
yes, but I don't think that its content is really out of date.  It
perhaps doesn't get into things like network theory enough to suit some
people, but I think its approach works just fine.  It's an excellent
video for an introduction to dialectology/sociolinguistics, imho.

Re the different versions, the two <middle-sized> ones are the ones I've
used.  The slightly longer of those two is the one I prefer.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I liked reading the condensed book as a child. Most of the
> condensations were well enough done that they gave enough of the
> flavor of the book so I could decide whether or not to read the
> original.

My mother, who was an avid reader all her life, enjoyed the RD's
condensed books in her old age.  She subscribed to them.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > It's impossible to speak without speaking a dialect.  Everybody speaks
> > some variety of their language.  Dialect = variety.
>
>         Yes, of course.  I think I've read that nobody speaks
> Standard English as their native dialect.  Perhaps in Pinker.

That gets into the difficult question of exactly what Standard English
is.  But it is a variety of English in any case, which means that it is
a dialect of English.  (I think I've mentioned before that
dialectologists are using the word "variety" instead of "dialect" more
and more because of the fact that so many people associate the word
"dialect" with "non-standard.")

>         I have worked very, very hard on using lie/lay correctly,
> though.  It is a little like learning a foreign phrase.

Exactly.  Learning a grammatical form in a different dialect is very
much like learning something in a foreign language -- though in some
cases harder since there's more negative transference from your native
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

> > Oddly, I often find
> > reading an aphrodisiac.
>
> "Tis true.

yabbut who wants to **** somebody who says " 'tis true"?

- sorry - this is out of bounds and also out of gender category and also
in very bad taste.  STILL.

Ann
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On Sunday, August 24, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>> > Oddly, I often find
>> > reading an aphrodisiac.
>>
>> "Tis true.

> yabbut who wants to **** somebody who says " 'tis true"?

> - sorry - this is out of bounds and also out of gender category and also
> in very bad taste.  STILL.

> Ann
> Usage Nazi

Thank you for NOT saying

"Utilization Nazi"

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I did give my answer. I think I have a better grasp of the reality
> than Shrub does, but I was wondering what you all thought.

I didn't respond to the survey question because I don't really know much
on the subject, but I don't doubt that you have a better grasp of
reality than Shrub does.  His ignorance of reality is mind-boggling.

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Lynne Weber wrote:
>  I believe as long as you breathe, you
> learn;  I just seem to have a greater distance to go.

Ditto your first clause.  Not your second, though.

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On Sunday, August 24, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> His ignorance of reality is mind-boggling.

He wakes up to a new world every day.

Karen

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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I'm glad to hear that.  I've heard some people (linguists at meetings)
>talk about how way out of date it is, but I don't see that.  It is old,
>yes, but I don't think that its content is really out of date.  It

There is only one sequence that dates the film seriously, I think - it's
the one in which a computer salesman is spouting computer jargon - it's
all hopelessly out of date, of course.

There is litle theory in the video of any kind.

Try to get/see the full version - it's 56 minutes. Yes, it contains the
n-word - also the h-word. Also the wt-phrase.

Bethany

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> > that the Florida panhandle is Southern and the rest
> > of the state is
> > not.
>
> That's because logically, the panhandle should belong
> to Alabama.  I don't know enough state history to know
> what sort of bargain was struck, but it was highway
> robbery.

And New Orleans should belong to Mississippi.  It's on our side of the
river.

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> Ann
> Usage Nazi

Nazi on, Sis!


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It also works in Japan:

> In front of my PC, I tried what's on Words-L.   Yes, my foot changed
> direction.  Wow!
>
> Japan is now in belated summer.  A heat island!    Tomoko

(She's not on Words-L.  I told her when I sent it that it was something
I had read on Words-L.)

Tomoko, btw, is amazingly good with English.  She studied it in school,
as all Japanese do, but she fell in love with it and continued studying
it for fun as a housewife/mother.  I met her in a club of middle-aged
Japanese housewives who studied English as a hobby.  Her spoken English
impressed me right away as being far better than that of the others in
the group.  And when I edited a small anthology for them about the
history of their club, I was amazed at how good her written English
was.  It sounded native, even though she had spent less time visiting
English-speaking countries than anybody else in the group.

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I wonder what Anne is doing to make Graham's birthday special today?

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> There is only one sequence that dates the film seriously, I think - it's
> the one in which a computer salesman is spouting computer jargon - it's
> all hopelessly out of date, of course.

Oh yes -- my students and I laugh about that.  But that's not a serious
kind of thing.

> There is litle theory in the video of any kind.

That's my thought also.

> Try to get/see the full version - it's 56 minutes. Yes, it contains the
> n-word - also the h-word. Also the wt-phrase.

What are the h-word and the wt-phrase?  Honky and White Trash?  (WT is
in all the versions, I think.  It's for sure in the ones I've used.  My
students and I often talk about its history/pc'ness/etc.)

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Betty wrote:
>
> I wonder what Anne is doing to make Graham's birthday special today?

We don't necessarily want to <go there>.  But nevertheless, HB,G!

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Speaking of dialects, I've always loved the dialect
portrayed in the movie "Sergeant York".  It may not
have been authentic, but it was consistent.  I believe
it was  supposed to be "mountains of TENN" dialect.
Does anyone remember?

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> > I get dirty looks for interrupting their conversations with "Hello" and
> > "Thanks for bagging" and "Bye."
>
>
>         Oh, well, fuck 'em then.

Yep. You Know What I Say.

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On Sunday, August 24, 2003, Betty wrote:
> I wonder what Anne is doing to make Graham's birthday special today?

Feeding him avocado?

Anyway, TMI...

Karen

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> As this was zipping away, I saw the sloppy word use,
> with the possible
> result of saying something not intended.  Yes, I
> believe that as long as
> we breathe, we learn.  Ditto to that.  By "not your
> second, though," I
> meant not you -- that you don't have a greater
> distance go go.  What I
> realized it might sound like was "not me."

Understood.


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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>What are the h-word and the wt-phrase?  Honky and White Trash?

Hillbilly.

Bethany

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>  All that will change
> in a little over two months and many people
> hereabouts will go on
> unemployment for the winter.

How do they do this?  Are you referring to those whose
work is only seasonal, and they do this as a regular
practice?, come winter?

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>I didn't respond to the survey question because I don't really know much
>on the subject,   -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Ditto.  There doesn't appear to be much unemployment where I live.  Quite
the opposite.  Employers are still begging for help.  All that will change
in a little over two months and many people hereabouts will go on
unemployment for the winter.


bonnie

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> >  All that will change in a little over two months and many people
> > hereabouts will go on unemployment for the winter.
>
>How do they do this?  Are you referring to those whose
>work is only seasonal, and they do this as a regular
>practice?, come winter?

Yes.  Evidently, if  you work a full six months, then you can collect
unemployment.  In order to staff the hotels and restaurants of Bar Harbor,
foreign works are brought in from Jamaica, Russia, and Eastern
Europe.  Some are older than students.  But most of those go back home to
their native countries come mid-October.  Then there are all the US college
students who go back to school.  Then there are seasonal workers who follow
the work and go to either Arizona or Florida or even the New England ski
resorts come December.  But there are a core of workers who stay here, get
cheap housing, and drink away their unemployment benefits in the few bars
of Bar Harbor that remain open in the winter.  Someone recently did a short
movie about this phenomenon for a college project.  She was born and raised
in Bar Harbor and saw it first hand.

Maureen, our friend who owns Mache Bistro, said that often the ones who get
stuck in Bar Harbor for the winter are the ones who were also drinking away
their pay during the summer.  They don't put anything at all
aside.  Therefore, they do not have the cash to get themselves to Arizona
or Florida.  For some it becomes a way of life.  A sad, alcoholic way of
life.


bonnie

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> Maureen, our friend who owns Mache Bistro, said that
> often the ones who get
> stuck in Bar Harbor for the winter are the ones who
> were also drinking away
> their pay during the summer.  They don't put
> anything at all
> aside.  Therefore, they do not have the cash to get
> themselves to Arizona
> or Florida.  For some it becomes a way of life.  A
> sad, alcoholic way of
> life.

Very sad.  I didn't realize the law these days allowed
this.  It makes it harder for folk who really have
earned a right to unemployment.  It's a tragedy what
alcohol and drugs do to people.

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I don't read the Daily Yomiuri every day, but I always find it
interesting when I do read it.  Although the crime rate in
Japan is miniscule, the crimes that do occur have a sort of
<flair>.  Like these:

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/newse/20030825wo21.htm

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/newse/20030825wo22.htm

   --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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>-----Original Message-----
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>> > > Trader Joe's frozen avocado halves are great,
>> >
>> >Thank you! I've never seen these.
>>
>> Who would buy half an avocado?
>
>Me. They're sold in bags of maybe 15 or 20.
>
>I've never bought a fresh avocado.
>
>--Adam
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That to me is sad. Try the real fresh avocado.


alec

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I had heard that this year's peaches are bad.  Must be regional.

    While the Murray Kroger and Wal-Mart sold the same billiard balls that
are found here, there was this guy with a pickup in the parking lot in front
of Big Lots selling tomatoes and especially *peaches* that were pure-dee
curl-up-and-die.  (But over the sink, please.)

JMW

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> > I had heard that this year's peaches are bad.  Must be regional.
>
>    While the Murray Kroger and Wal-Mart sold the same billiard
> balls that
> are found here, there was this guy with a pickup in the parking
> lot in front
> of Big Lots selling tomatoes and especially *peaches* that were
> pure-dee
> curl-up-and-die.  (But over the sink, please.)

I have found peaches to be really good this year. Most of what we get this time of year actually are pretty local -- Jersey peaches.

I am also totally in love with the flavor of those white donut peaches, but they are so expensive that it's an indulgence.

Marie

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Betty writes,

>Air museum at the Santa Rosa airport.  It was very hot.

Baker Beach, a sandy beach just south of the Golden Gate Bridge.  It was
beautiful.  Warm and sunny, with a pleasant breeze.  Kids splashing in the
waves, seals jumping offshore.

Pete

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>Baker Beach, a sandy beach just south of the Golden Gate Bridge.  It was
>beautiful.  Warm and sunny, with a pleasant breeze.  Kids splashing in the
>waves, seals jumping offshore.
>Pete

... sharks feeding on the seals and an occasional woman.


bonnie

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> ... sharks feeding on the seals and an occasional woman.

"When I enter ze water, I must remember zat
I am no longer ze top of ze vood zhen."

--
not the real Jacques Cousteau

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Betty:
>Air museum at the Santa Rosa airport.  It was very hot.

How can it *be* that so many French people
have been killed by the heat?  I mean, they
can't possibly be exaggerating the numbers,
but ten thousand is almost unbelievable.

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02003-08-24 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >>> >> Best post of the day!
> >>> >
> >>> >I still don't get it.
> >>>
> >>> Contender for most honest post of the day!
> >>
> >>?  I can't speak for others, but I think that all of my postings today,
> >>of which there have been beaucoup, were equally honest.
>
> > Okay - ContenderS for most honest post of the day! (Lots of contenders
> > - just like California!)
>
> I'm curious as to which posts you think haven't been honest today.

Please. You're not curious.

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I think that Adam and I must shop in the same store in opposite ends of
the state.  I hate the fact that the cashiers in the store I frequent
spend most of their time talking to each other.  The only break in the
conversation last time I shopped was to ask me what the bunch of
radishes I was buying was.  At least she thought to question that.  She
went on to charge me for celery when what I had was carrots.  I didn't
bother to correct her or to figure out whether the error was in my favor
or the store's.  It really doesn't matter.   It all balances over time.

Rita L.

Adam Hartfield wrote:

>
>Oh, the cashiers aren't chatting with ME, they're chatting with other
>employees.
>
>
>
>--Adam
>adamh1@comcast.net
>
>

--

Rita Leonard
Information Technology Systems Services
O'Neill Library 544
Phone:  617-552-3403
Email: rita.leonard@bc.edu

"Whether you believe you can do a thing
 or not, you are right."  Henry Ford

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At my supermarket, an A&P, everytime you get to the register they ask, "Did you find everything you were looking for?" To which any answer except "yes" completely baffles them.

Marie

----- Original Message -----
From: Rita Leonard <leonard@BC.EDU>
Date: Monday, August 25, 2003 1:41 pm
Subject: Re: DNA

> I think that Adam and I must shop in the same store in opposite
> ends of
> the state.  I hate the fact that the cashiers in the store I frequent
> spend most of their time talking to each other.  The only break in the
> conversation last time I shopped was to ask me what the bunch of
> radishes I was buying was.  At least she thought to question that.
> She
> went on to charge me for celery when what I had was carrots.  I didn't
> bother to correct her or to figure out whether the error was in my
> favoror the store's.  It really doesn't matter.   It all balances
> over time.
>
> Rita L.
>
> Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> >
> >Oh, the cashiers aren't chatting with ME, they're chatting with other
> >employees.
> >
> >
> >
> >--Adam
> >adamh1@comcast.net
> >
> >
>
> --
>
> Rita Leonard
> Information Technology Systems Services
> O'Neill Library 544
> Phone:  617-552-3403
> Email: rita.leonard@bc.edu
>
> "Whether you believe you can do a thing
> or not, you are right."  Henry Ford
>

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> PS:  I meant to ask -- did Bruce walk to 83rd St?
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Did I answer this? Yes, he did. But I doubt he made friends along the way. He'd be more the type to think, "Why the hell are all these people talking to one another?"

Marie

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Can we order  a  Fujitsu from Canada and make it an even better deal?

Betty

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>Very sad.  I didn't realize the law these days allowed
>this.  It makes it harder for folk who really have
>earned a right to unemployment.  It's a tragedy what
>alcohol and drugs do to people.
>
>Thank you for the information.

You are welcome.  However, I don't want to leave you with an inaccurate
picture of Bar Harbor, Maine in the winter.  There are about 4,800 year
'round residents of the township of Bar Harbor.  The seasonal unemployed
make up only a small fraction.  There are also the lobstermen who pull
their lobster traps out of the water in late November and refit their boats
for a short shrimping season or diving for urchins.  There are the
tradesman who have lots of carpentry and plumbing to do in the winter as
homes, motels, and B&Bs are repaired, upgraded, or newly built.  There is
the College of the Atlantic which has about 400 students along with
professors, secretaries, and staff.  There is Jackson Laboratory, the
largest employer around here, which breeds mice for research and also does
research.  There is MDI Biological Laboratories which does some kind of
microbiology with sea critters.  A grocery store and two drug stores remain
open in the winter as do a handful of restaurants. We have a bookstore and
an outdoor gear store which rents cross country skies.  Many of the B&B
owners stay in town for the winter, taking an annual vacation and spending
time renovating their Inns.  Barry, who owns The Hearthside where I work,
works in the winter as a plumber's assistant, mostly on new
construction.  Susan, his wife, volunteers during the winter with the
organization that provides transportation and assistance to the elderly so
that they can remain in their homes.  There are retired folk like Clyde and
I.  And there are even a few people who make and save enough money during
the tourist season to not have to work or draw unemployment in the winter.

So, you see, we aren't just a town of the unemployed and the drunk.


bonnie

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> How can it *be* that so many French people
> have been killed by the heat?  I mean, they
> can't possibly be exaggerating the numbers,
> but ten thousand is almost unbelievable.

I believe they said last night that they were
including deaths of all elderly people, not just
heat-related deaths, but even at that...


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bonniev writes,

>... sharks feeding on the seals and an occasional woman.

Yes, I would have been nervous swimming with the seals.

Here are Gwynnie and I getting our feet wet:
<http://peterkaminski.com/photos/kaminsk-bakerbeach-20030824.jpg>

Pete

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On the 16th, Karen Kay quoted:

>"Let me put it succinctly: I don't think serious education is possible in
>America.

etc.

Thanks for forwarding this, Karen -- I sent it on to another list today.

There is interesting feedback on Bohne's essay at
<http://www.marchforjustice.com/learningfeedback.php>.

Pete

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>> So, you see, we aren't just a town of the
unemployed
> and the drunk.
>
>
> bonnie

We used to go to the shore in the winter months to
work on our sailboat.  It was eerie because there were
so few people, but I loved it.  The sailboat work
entailed scraping, sanding, caulking and painting,
which was real labor.  But the payoff was, we could
get steamed clams, cooked in their own juices and
served with melted butter.  That is truly one of the
things I miss about the North Country.

You did not give me the wrong impression; I am
familiar with the off/on season cycle.


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Peter Kaminski:
= bonniev writes,
=
= >... sharks feeding on the seals and an occasional woman.
=
= Yes, I would have been nervous swimming with the seals.
=
= Here are Gwynnie and I getting our feet wet:
= <http://peterkaminski.com/photos/kaminsk-bakerbeach-20030824.jpg>
                                         ^i
=
= Pete

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I have no idea what the real unemployment figures are, but
everybody I know who was out of work has a job now, except
Karen.  Maybe it's just certain areas of the country that
are still bad.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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At 02:21 PM 8/25/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>>Very sad.  I didn't realize the law these days allowed
>>this.  It makes it harder for folk who really have
>>earned a right to unemployment.  It's a tragedy what
>>alcohol and drugs do to people.
>>
>>Thank you for the information.
>
>You are welcome.  However, I don't want to leave you with an inaccurate
>picture of Bar Harbor, Maine in the winter.  There are about 4,800 year
>'round residents of the township of Bar Harbor.  The seasonal unemployed
>make up only a small fraction.  There are also the lobstermen who pull
>their lobster traps out of the water in late November and refit their boats
>for a short shrimping season or diving for urchins.  There are the
>tradesman who have lots of carpentry and plumbing to do in the winter as
>homes, motels, and B&Bs are repaired, upgraded, or newly built.  There is
>the College of the Atlantic which has about 400 students along with
>professors, secretaries, and staff.  There is Jackson Laboratory, the
>largest employer around here, which breeds mice for research and also does
>research.  There is MDI Biological Laboratories which does some kind of
>microbiology with sea critters.  A grocery store and two drug stores remain
>open in the winter as do a handful of restaurants. We have a bookstore and
>an outdoor gear store which rents cross country skies.  Many of the B&B
>owners stay in town for the winter, taking an annual vacation and spending
>time renovating their Inns.  Barry, who owns The Hearthside where I work,
>works in the winter as a plumber's assistant, mostly on new
>construction.  Susan, his wife, volunteers during the winter with the
>organization that provides transportation and assistance to the elderly so
>that they can remain in their homes.  There are retired folk like Clyde and
>I.  And there are even a few people who make and save enough money during
>the tourist season to not have to work or draw unemployment in the winter.
>
>So, you see, we aren't just a town of the unemployed and the drunk.
>
>
>bonnie


Clyde and me. :-)

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At 08:33 PM 8/25/2003 +0200, steph wrote:

>What makes you think these people didn't earn a right to
>unemployment?

That would be my question as well.  Some of those who go on unemployment
work two or three jobs during the season---basically going from early
morning until midnight.  It perhaps is sad that some spend their
unemployment checks (as well as their employment checks) on drugs and
booze, but until the Baptists and other would-be custodians of public
morality take over completely, they still have that freedom.

cwv

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Lynne Weber:
= > Maureen, our friend who owns Mache Bistro, said that
= > often the ones who get
= > stuck in Bar Harbor for the winter are the ones who
= > were also drinking away
= > their pay during the summer.  They don't put
= > anything at all
= > aside.  Therefore, they do not have the cash to get
= > themselves to Arizona
= > or Florida.  For some it becomes a way of life.  A
= > sad, alcoholic way of
= > life.
=
= Very sad.  I didn't realize the law these days allowed
= this.  It makes it harder for folk who really have
= earned a right to unemployment.  It's a tragedy what
= alcohol and drugs do to people.
=
= Thank you for the information.
=

What makes you think these people didn't earn a right to
unemployment?

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Rita Leonard:
= I think that Adam and I must shop in the same store in opposite ends of
= the state.  I hate the fact that the cashiers in the store I frequent
= spend most of their time talking to each other.  The only break in the
= conversation last time I shopped was to ask me what the bunch of
= radishes I was buying was.  At least she thought to question that.  She
= went on to charge me for celery when what I had was carrots.  I didn't
= bother to correct her or to figure out whether the error was in my favor
= or the store's.  It really doesn't matter.   It all balances over time.
=
= Rita L.
=a

For the mistakes like that it probably does balance out over
time.  But I was just reading somewhere that the stuff that has
one price on the shelf and another at the register almost always
comes out in favor of the supermarket.

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At 11:36 AM 8/25/2003 -0700, Betty Clark wrote:

>Clyde and me. :-)


You're not retired yet; furthermore, you don't live here.

cwv

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This link works: http://peterkaminski.com/photos/kaminski-bakerbeach-20030824.jpg

Marie

----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM>
Date: Monday, August 25, 2003 2:28 pm
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> bonniev writes,
>
> >... sharks feeding on the seals and an occasional woman.
>
> Yes, I would have been nervous swimming with the seals.
>
> Here are Gwynnie and I getting our feet wet:
> <" target="l">http://peterkaminski.com/photos/kaminsk-bakerbeach-
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> Pete
>

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Betty Clark writes,

>Can we order  a  Fujitsu from Canada and make it an even better deal?

Dunno.  You should try it. :)

Pete

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From: Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
> We used to go to the shore in the winter months to
> work on our sailboat.

Lynne, I believe you mean "down the shore"?

Marie

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Marie Ascher writes,

>This link works:
>http://peterkaminski.com/photos/kaminski-bakerbeach-20030824.jpg

Thanks, Marie.

I actually fixed that typo, but I must have unfixed it before sending it.

Pete

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hominy cricket <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>:

>How can it *be* that so many French people
>have been killed by the heat?  I mean, they
>can't possibly be exaggerating the numbers,
>but ten thousand is almost unbelievable.

Do we know how many French people died over
the same period last year? Attributing all ten
thousand to the heat wave is sloppy reporting,
imo.

-rashmi, sleepless in bangalore

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> Thanks, Marie.
>
> I actually fixed that typo, but I must have unfixed it before
> sending it.

Oh, and by the way, cute picture. I imagine the water was pretty cold.

Marie

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On Monday, August 25, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/newse/20030825wo22.htm

"Stress" is almost always given as a reason for crimes by men in
Japan.

Karen

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> I love the description of him waking up in your arms.  'Al did good.  Has
> he noticed the piercing yet?
>
> Betty

Hehehe,  you are trouble!

Terry

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On Monday, August 25, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> I have no idea what the real unemployment figures are, but
> everybody I know who was out of work has a job now, except
> Karen.  Maybe it's just certain areas of the country that
> are still bad.

Maybe. And it's true that most of the people I know here are in
technical fields--except for the Quakers. And a heck of a lot of them
are unemployed right now.

I have two friends in the BA who are working on 4 years now.

How quickly time flies when you're not having fun.

Karen

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On Monday, August 25, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
> At my supermarket, an A&P, everytime you get to the register they
> ask, "Did you find everything you were looking for?" To which any
> answer except "yes" completely baffles them.

At my Albertson's, they generally want to run and get it for me.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Monday, August 25, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>I have no idea what the real unemployment figures are, but
>>everybody I know who was out of work has a job now, except
>>Karen.  Maybe it's just certain areas of the country that
>>are still bad.
>>
>
> Maybe. And it's true that most of the people I know here are in
> technical fields--except for the Quakers. And a heck of a lot of them
> are unemployed right now.
>
> I have two friends in the BA who are working on 4 years now.
>
> How quickly time flies when you're not having fun.


        My husband's group at SBC is hiring -- I think the position
is in Houston.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> On Monday, August 25, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
> > At my supermarket, an A&P, everytime you get to the register they
> > ask, "Did you find everything you were looking for?" To which any
> > answer except "yes" completely baffles them.
>
> At my Albertson's, they generally want to run and get it for me.

Usually if I didn't find it it wasn't there. I don't show up at the register with unresolved issues of location. That's what the guys on the floor are there for.

Marie

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On Monday, August 25, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         My husband's group at SBC is hiring -- I think the position
> is in Houston.

For what?

Karen

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To make a long story short, BIOS errors can be caused by a dying
battery.

But it took me 6 hours to figure that out.

Karen

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 4:34 PM
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>
>
>To make a long story short, BIOS errors can be caused by a dying
>battery.
>
>But it took me 6 hours to figure that out.
>
>Karen

I bet if you asked words-l, somebody would have mentioned it.


alec

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On Monday, August 25, 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: English Language Discussion Group
>>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>>Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 4:34 PM
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: My crappy day
>>
>>
>>To make a long story short, BIOS errors can be caused by a dying
>>battery.
>>
>>But it took me 6 hours to figure that out.
>>
>>Karen

> I bet if you asked words-l, somebody would have mentioned it.

I bet if I could fucking have booted my fucking computer I would
fucking have asked Words-fucking-L.

Karen

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On Monday, August 25, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         I know the title is Technical Manager.  I'm not sure what the
> job description is, though -- AIX stuff, though.  Shoot, now
> I'm thinking the job is in Dallas.  I KNOW the two cities
> are miles and miles apart, but I can't keep them straight.

Doesn't matter; I don't know anyone who fits the bill.

Karen

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 4:41 PM
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>
>
>On Monday, August 25, 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: English Language Discussion Group
>>>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>>>Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 4:34 PM
>>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>>Subject: My crappy day
>>>
>>>
>>>To make a long story short, BIOS errors can be caused by a dying
>>>battery.
>>>
>>>But it took me 6 hours to figure that out.
>>>
>>>Karen
>
>> I bet if you asked words-l, somebody would have mentioned it.
>
>I bet if I could fucking have booted my fucking computer I would
>fucking have asked Words-fucking-L.
>
>Karen
>

I bet your fucking library has fucking internet access.

HUGZ,


alec

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Great photo!

At 02:58 PM 8/25/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>This link works:
>http://peterkaminski.com/photos/kaminski-bakerbeach-20030824.jpg
>
>Marie

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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Monday, August 25, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        My husband's group at SBC is hiring -- I think the position
>>is in Houston.
>>
>
> For what?


        I know the title is Technical Manager.  I'm not sure what the
job description is, though -- AIX stuff, though.  Shoot, now
I'm thinking the job is in Dallas.  I KNOW the two cities
are miles and miles apart, but I can't keep them straight.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:31:46 -0500
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On Monday, August 25, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
> From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>> On Monday, August 25, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
>> > At my supermarket, an A&P, everytime you get to the register they
>> > ask, "Did you find everything you were looking for?" To which any
>> > answer except "yes" completely baffles them.
>>
>> At my Albertson's, they generally want to run and get it for me.

> Usually if I didn't find it it wasn't there. I don't show up at the register with unresolved issues of location. That's what the guys on the floor are there for.

"guys on the floor"? If they had any, I'd ask them...

Karen

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None of my posts are honest.

>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
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>02003-08-24 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > >>> >> Best post of the day!
> > >>> >
> > >>> >I still don't get it.
> > >>>
> > >>> Contender for most honest post of the day!
> > >>
> > >>?  I can't speak for others, but I think that all of my postings
>today,
> > >>of which there have been beaucoup, were equally honest.
> >
> > > Okay - ContenderS for most honest post of the day! (Lots of contenders
> > > - just like California!)
> >
> > I'm curious as to which posts you think haven't been honest today.
>
>Please. You're not curious.

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:55:40 -0400
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--On Saturday, August 23, 2003 7:28 AM -0400 bonniev <bonniev@GWI.NET>
wrote:

> Perhaps you have had to live in the South in order to see the
> difference.  I certainly see it.  Take phone calls, for example.  A Yankee
> will generally get to the point of why he called in the first three
> sentences of the phone call.  A Southerner might talk for 15 minutes
> before the point of the call is broached.


I readily admit limited Southern culture exposure.  I've spent very very
little time down there and although I do encounter some people at URI from
the south, there just is not a lot of interaction. I can see from your post
the difference.

I can understand and even enjoy a little friendly banter, but I've gotten
the impression that sometimes the Southern way of polite banter is
disingenuous. In your example at the Inn, I would find the key question
quite maddening.  The lemonade question, even if used only to create
contact, could be perfectly plausible.  There is enough doubt as to whether
the person knows/doesn't know the answer.  The key questions strikes me as
stupid.

A striking Yankee non-assertive, or reserve behavior, comes in regards to
emotional or behavioral issues.  This could just be localized to the area
I'm in, but is rampant in all sides of my family.  They don't tell you what
they don't approve of, you just know they are displeased.  It is left as an
exercise for the displeaser to figure it out.  I'm sure this is more of
what I base my idea of non-assertive  behavior on.

Terry

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:57:36 -0400
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>  did notice Terry's accent a couple of times this week end.  I
> liked listening to her speak.
>
> Betty


I was in the local shoe store today and was asked by the clerk where I was
from as she noticed I had an accent.  I was so speechless I didn't ask
where she was from!

Terry

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On Monday, August 25, 2003, Terry Wild wrote:
> I was in the local shoe store today and was asked by the clerk where I was
> from as she noticed I had an accent.  I was so speechless I didn't ask
> where she was from!

LOL.

For me, the oddest thing about the TV show "Providence" was that none
of them had accents.

Karen

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On Monday, August 25, 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> I bet your fucking library has fucking internet access.

> HUGZ,

> alec

I bet it does, too. However, driving to the library and waiting to use
a terminal for 15 minutes didn't seem like a good use of my time.
Especially because, while Words-l often comes through, it's usually
not in a time-sensitive fashion.

One phone call to the right person got me my answer. My Fiber Friend
is not only a fiber geek, she's a computer geek, too.

Karen

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> Well put. There is also an excellent segment in the video "American
> Tongues."
>
> Bethany

I'm going to see if the Library will obtain a copy.  There are 2 in other
RI colleges, but they are non-circulating.  This sounds interesting.

Terry

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On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:

>None of my posts are honest.

Oh dear. A true puzzle - or is it?

Bethany

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> "guys on the floor"? If they had any, I'd ask them...
>
> Karen

You don't see guys stocking shelves in your store. No random employees wandering the aisles?

Marie

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On Monday, August 25, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
>> "guys on the floor"? If they had any, I'd ask them...
>>
>> Karen

> You don't see guys stocking shelves in your store. No random employees wandering the aisles?

No, pretty much not ever. If I can't find something, I go up to one of
the cashiers and butt in and ask. It's no wonder to me that that store
is religious about asking if you found everything and that they want
to go run and get it for you.

This is the store where I found ultrapasteurized milk that was 4
months past the date.

Karen

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> I noticed it at Acadiafest. I found it really offputting at first, but
> only because in my memory she didn't have an accent.
>

At times, it surprises even me!

> Did I mention how much I like your short hair, Terry? I think it's
> much more you.
>
> Karen

Thank you, I like it a lot, also.

Terry

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On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Terry Wild wrote:

>I'm going to see if the Library will obtain a copy.  There are 2 in other
>RI colleges, but they are non-circulating.  This sounds interesting.

"American Tongues" is available from Center for New American Media. The
56-minute version is the original and worth fighting for. I have an
unofficial handout/guide (composed by Dennis Preston et moi) that I can
send - and there is an official one on the web somewhere.

Bethany

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> I don't <feel> that much older.
>
> Betty

Nor act it!

Terry

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> Doris, Espen, and Ann.  Happy Birthday this week.

>From the cooler northeast, Happy Birthday!

Terry

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> Lynne, I believe you mean "down the shore"?
>
> Marie

We never said that.  We were always going down to
"the" shore.  And when that sitcom went on the air
several years ago, I was puzzled, as I had never heard
anyone else say it that way.  Obviously, I am now
aware that the majority of folks in Jersey and PA DO
say that.  We went to Long Beach Island, NJ, for 15
years.

What is your "shore place"?


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> Restless,  jumpy.   Moving from one activity to another.  Checking her
> watch a lot.  Trying to pack many things into one day of vacation.
> Pulling out a To-Do list.  Keeping a close and worried eye on her child.
> Etc.
>
>
> bonnie

Much of this sounds like me!

Terry

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rashmi:
> Do we know how many French people died over
> the same period last year? Attributing all ten
> thousand to the heat wave is sloppy reporting,
> imo.

But it's not just the reporters (though I agree
that there's some half-assed number-totting going
on here):

                In France, morgues and
                funeral parlors overflowed
                with bodies and hospitals
                were overwhelmed. The
                government first estimated
                that 1,600 to 3,000 people
                died from heat-related
                causes starting on Aug. 7.
                Then, it said it was
                "plausible" that 5,000 died
                before finally agreeing that
                an estimate of 10,000 by
                France's largest undertaker
                was most probably
                accurate.

From:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/136297_euroheat23.html

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(and thanks for the correction, too, steph!)

Marie Ascher writes,

>Oh, and by the way, cute picture. I imagine the water was pretty cold.

Thanks!  The water was probably mid-sixties.  We weren't dressed to get
more than our legs wet anyway, and with the warm weather, it was quite nice.

There were a few people splashing all of themselves in.  I overheard one
person say that at a nearby beach, the water was warm enough that he only
had to wear the top half of his wetsuit. :)

Pete

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>One phone call to the right person got me my answer. My Fiber Friend
>is not only a fiber geek, she's a computer geek, too.
>Karen

I'm grateful to System Restore which just undid whatever McAfee did to my
computer, causing Eudora to be unable to connect to the server.


bonnie

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At 05:31 PM 8/25/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:
>>Restless,  jumpy.   Moving from one activity to another.  Checking her
>>watch a lot.  Trying to pack many things into one day of vacation.
>>Pulling out a To-Do list.  Keeping a close and worried eye on her child.
>>Etc.
>>
>>
>>bonnie
>
>Much of this sounds like me!

You didn't act like that at all when you were here.

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On Monday, August 25, 2003, bonniev wrote:
>>One phone call to the right person got me my answer. My Fiber Friend
>>is not only a fiber geek, she's a computer geek, too.
>>Karen

> I'm grateful to System Restore which just undid whatever McAfee did to my
> computer, causing Eudora to be unable to connect to the server.

I'm grateful to Radio Shack, who sold me a CMOS battery for $3.24.

Karen

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Here are Gwynnie and I getting our feet wet:
> <http://peterkaminski.com/photos/kaminsk-bakerbeach-20030824.jpg>

Great picture -- once I added the i to kaminsk.  It made me think about
those Maine lobsterman fishing for urchins.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> We never said that.  We were always going down to
> "the" shore.  And when that sitcom went on the air
> several years ago, I was puzzled, as I had never heard
> anyone else say it that way.  Obviously, I am now
> aware that the majority of folks in Jersey and PA DO
> say that.  We went to Long Beach Island, NJ, for 15
> years.
>
> What is your "shore place"?

When we were kids, it was mostly LBI for our clan. But for some reason as we've aged, the family has started taking periodic vacations on the quiet north end of Sea Isle City. Bruce and I tend to take ours in Cape May (or LBI) when we aren't with the rest of 'em.

What sitcom?

Marie

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On Monday, August 25, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Great picture -- once I added the i to kaminsk.  It made me think about
> those Maine lobsterman fishing for urchins.

LOL

Karen

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02003-08-25 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> None of my posts are honest.

I have a T shirt like that. Like, it has a hand which is drawing
another hand, but THAT hand is drawing the first hand!

WEIRD HUH

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Karen Kay wrote:

> "guys on the floor"? If they had any, I'd ask them...

You don't have people wandering around wearing your grocery store's
nametag -- restocking shelves, etc?

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > You don't have people wandering around wearing your grocery store's
> > nametag -- restocking shelves, etc?
>
> No. I've heard of these, of course, but never seen one. Oh, except at
> Walmart, which isn't a grocery store, per se.

Do they do things like restocking at weird times?  I don't remember ever
having been in a grocery store that didn't have wandering employees
fooling with stuff on shelves or sometimes just sort of wandering
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On Monday, August 25, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> You don't have people wandering around wearing your grocery store's
> nametag -- restocking shelves, etc?

No. I've heard of these, of course, but never seen one. Oh, except at
Walmart, which isn't a grocery store, per se.

Karen

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> "American Tongues" is available from Center for New American Media. The
> 56-minute version is the original and worth fighting for. I have an

That's about the same length as the shortened versions -- except for
that one that's shortened more and that leaves out some funny parts.
Either other things must have been added to my version, or not much was
left out from the original.

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On Monday, August 25, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Do they do things like restocking at weird times?

Well, they must.

> I don't remember ever having been in a grocery store that didn't
> have wandering employees fooling with stuff on shelves or sometimes
> just sort of wandering around.

Come to my Albertson's!

Karen

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I've put a few pictures at http://tonyh.fotopic.net/ (thanks for the
suggestion - it seems to work well when it's not slow...)

These were almost all taken by the "toy guy" who comes up every year;
he has the latest in every kind of toy from waterskis to windsurfers
to digital cameras. This year he brought not only the laptop with CD
burner (so he can hand us all the week's pictures before we leave),
but also the projector (so he could watch widescreen DVDs every
evening on a bedsheet pinned up inside his cottage). Next year it'll
probably be satellite Internet access or something.

The panorama and several others are best seen at full size.

There are lots more, but many of them are just shots of other
people's kids without a lot of scenic background.

Tony H.

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I have got to move to Austin!   In the grocery store here in Littleton,
Massachusetts, I swear that it is policy to block as many aisles as
possible with cartons and "persons" for restocking during business
hours.   One has to traverse the entire store twice to get everything on
the shopping list most days.

Rita L.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Karen Kay wrote:
>
>
>>>You don't have people wandering around wearing your grocery store's
>>>nametag -- restocking shelves, etc?
>>>
>>>
>>No. I've heard of these, of course, but never seen one. Oh, except at
>>Walmart, which isn't a grocery store, per se.
>>
>>
>
>Do they do things like restocking at weird times?  I don't remember ever
>having been in a grocery store that didn't have wandering employees
>fooling with stuff on shelves or sometimes just sort of wandering
>around.
>
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>

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At 05:31 PM 8/25/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:

>Much of this sounds like me!

You certainly do not give that impression.

cwv

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--On Saturday, August 23, 2003 12:46 PM -0400 Alan Wild <awild@uri.edu>
wrote:

> Terry & I have begun picking up the Syracuse "a"s, and "r"s.

The last trip, I even impressed Alan's cousin with the 'correct'
pronunciation of a word I have since forgotten.

Terry

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02003-08-24 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> They are an aphrodisiac.

Is that the correct term for "signifying"?

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02003-08-24 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
>
> Nazi on, Sis!

This sentence TURNS ME ON!

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Trust me.

>From: "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU>
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>
>On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
>
> >None of my posts are honest.
>
>Oh dear. A true puzzle - or is it?
>
>Bethany

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Reminds me of the time my train stopped between two stations and
they cut off everything except some meager emergency lights. A fire
a mile away had to be put out. The train was not at all crowded,
and it got maybe a couple degrees hotter than "comfortable". But
it was amazing how some people just lost it after about 10 minutes.
Sitting on the floor (there were empty seats), giggling, making
ridiculously unfunny jokes, making sarcastic remarks "in response
to" the motorman's helpful announcements. About 20 minutes into
it, it was a zoo. You could hear "fucking this" and "fucking that".
Thank god there were only about 4 people with cell phones.

What the hell. In any other city, it would have been much more
under control, I think.

Of course, THEY probably thought *I* was an asshole, going on
reading my book ...

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02003-08-25 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> I have no idea what the real unemployment figures are, but
> everybody I know who was out of work has a job now, except
> Karen.  Maybe it's just certain areas of the country that
> are still bad.

'k me too

But this interests me enough that I am going to ask people
on the local newsgroups.

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> That to me is sad. Try the real fresh avocado.
>
>
> alec

I've EATEN plenty of fresh avocado - I've just never bought one for home
consumption.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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> For me, the oddest thing about the TV show "Providence" was that none
> of them had accents.
>
> Karen

How true!  Although I watched an episode or two, I just couldn't get into
it.

Terry

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On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:

>Trust me.

Yeah, right ...

Bethany

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Hmmm.  I have one that's very similar except that the two hands have already
erased each other, leaving the shirt completely blank...

>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
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>
>02003-08-25 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > None of my posts are honest.
>
>I have a T shirt like that. Like, it has a hand which is drawing
>another hand, but THAT hand is drawing the first hand!
>
>WEIRD HUH

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>>You don't have people wandering around wearing your grocery store's
>>>nametag -- restocking shelves, etc?
>>>
>>No. I've heard of these, of course, but never seen one. Oh, except at
>>Walmart, which isn't a grocery store, per se.
>>
>
> Do they do things like restocking at weird times?  I don't remember ever
> having been in a grocery store that didn't have wandering employees
> fooling with stuff on shelves or sometimes just sort of wandering
> around.


        A lot of re-stocking happens around 2am.  Makes shopping then
a little bit of a hassle.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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> I think that Adam and I must shop in the same store in opposite ends of
> the state.

Super Stop & Shop #94, Riverdale Street, West Springfield. :D

I wish we had a closer Shaw's. I like that store.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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Betty:
>You didn't act like that at all when you were here.


> You certainly do not give that impression.
>
> cwv

It must all be in my head then.  I'll ponder this...

Terry

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> Here are Gwynnie and I getting our feet wet:
> <http://peterkaminski.com/photos/kaminsk-bakerbeach-20030824.jpg>
>
> Pete


Nice picture, sorry I missed you guys.

Terry

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That strikes me as a bit zany. Still, the shirt seems very popular.
Every young white person [tm] in Chicago was wearing one yesterday.
No exceptions.


02003-08-25 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Hmmm.  I have one that's very similar except that the two hands have already
> erased each other, leaving the shirt completely blank...
>
> >From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> >Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >Subject: Re: DNA
> >Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:04:55 -0500
> >
> >02003-08-25 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >> None of my posts are honest.
> >
> >I have a T shirt like that. Like, it has a hand which is drawing
> >another hand, but THAT hand is drawing the first hand!
> >
> >WEIRD HUH
>
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>
> When we were kids, it was mostly LBI for our clan.
> But for some reason as we've aged, the family has
> started taking periodic vacations on the quiet north
> end of Sea Isle City. Bruce and I tend to take ours
> in Cape May (or LBI) when we aren't with the rest of
> 'em.
>
> What sitcom?


There was a short-lived (for good reason) sitcom
called "Down the Shore".

My great-aunt and uncle had a small place in West Cape
May as a retirement home. It was close by the
Lewes-Cape May Ferry.  We love Cape May.

In the bay off Sea Ilse City, we used to catch the
largest blue crabs I've ever seen.  We didn't trap
them, you needed only long handled dip nets.
Delicious.

Does Surflight Theater still exist in Beach Haven?

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If you are, tell how things are going with the Puppy
500, please.

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In a message dated 8/25/2003 8:13:39 PM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
If you are, tell how things are going with the Puppy
500, please.

>>

Oh, she goes around the complex as fast as she can
with one of us holding onto the other end of the leash.

Sweetie makes sure that Daisy gets her ninja training
by whapping her as they pass.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
People are not ruled by their memories.
Roger Smith

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At 07:37 PM 8/25/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>Of course, THEY probably thought *I* was an asshole, going on
>reading my book ...

What were you reading?

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> What the hell. In any other city, it would have been
> much more
> under control, I think.
>
> Of course, THEY probably thought *I* was an asshole,
> going on
> reading my book ...

Instead of moving to a new apartment, you should have
invested in a Pullman car.


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--On Monday, August 25, 2003 6:56 PM -0400 Tony Harminc <tony@HARMINC.COM>
wrote:

> I've put a few pictures at http://tonyh.fotopic.net/ (thanks for the
> suggestion - it seems to work well when it's not slow...)
>

Nice family shot!

Terry

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02003-08-24 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> > The new ones are easy to understand and fun to use.  And they've got real
> > Un*x on them, too -- even better than MS-DOS.
>
> Hmmm.  The Un*x is indeed a lure.

It's so log*cal.

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> Oh, she goes around the complex as fast as she can
> with one of us holding onto the other end of the
> leash.
>
> Sweetie makes sure that Daisy gets her ninja
> training
> by whapping her as they pass.

Are you and your mother holding up fairly well in the
midst of all this rowdiness?

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At 08:54 PM 8/25/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:
>Betty:
>>You didn't act like that at all when you were here.
>
>
>>You certainly do not give that impression.
>>
>>cwv
>
>It must all be in my head then.  I'll ponder this...

Well, we had you without your 'Al and the children.

Betty

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In a message dated 8/25/2003 8:23:11 PM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Are you and your mother holding up fairly well in the
midst of all this rowdiness?

>>

As long as Daisy doesn't bite our feet, we're OK.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
People are not ruled by their memories.
Roger Smith

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> Well, we had you without your 'Al and the children.
>
> Betty

That is true, and I was trying to pack a good CA experience into a few
days.  But while I pondered this, I read Clyde's message and he has only
seen me with family around.  But then again, I was under a protozoan
influence while in BH.  It is not surprising my view of myself would be
different.

Terry

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> How true!  Although I watched an episode or two, I
> just couldn't get into
> it.

It was really nothing but an after dinner soap.  But
the absence of accents struck me, as well.  I
mentioned it to my husband during the first episode.

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02003-08-25 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 07:37 PM 8/25/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >Of course, THEY probably thought *I* was an asshole, going on
> >reading my book ...
>
> What were you reading?

"Articulating Reasons: An Introduction to Inferentialism", by Robert
B. Brandom, which is an easy entry into two of the main themes of
his "Making It Explicit": the idea that the semantic content of a
sentence is determined by the norms governing inferences to and from
it, and the idea that the distinctive function of logical vocabulary
is to let us make our tacit inferential commitments explicit.

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>         I prefer no accent to the badly done
> accents.  All those
> shows set in Boston lack accents for the most part.

I agree.  IMO, one of the marks of a great
actor/actress is whether or not he can carry off an
authentic accent.  Bad ones are atrocious (accents,
that is).

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        I prefer no accent to the badly done accents.  All those
shows set in Boston lack accents for the most part.

Lynne Weber wrote:

>>How true!  Although I watched an episode or two, I
>>just couldn't get into
>>it.
>>
>
> It was really nothing but an after dinner soap.  But
> the absence of accents struck me, as well.  I
> mentioned it to my husband during the first episode.
>
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> "Articulating Reasons: An Introduction to
> Inferentialism", by Robert
> B. Brandom, which is an easy entry into two of the
> main themes of
> his "Making It Explicit": the idea that the semantic
> content of a
> sentence is determined by the norms governing
> inferences to and from
> it, and the idea that the distinctive function of
> logical vocabulary
> is to let us make our tacit inferential commitments
explicit.

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02003-08-25 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > "Articulating Reasons: An Introduction to Inferentialism", by Robert
> > B. Brandom, which is an easy entry into two of the main themes of his
> > "Making It Explicit": the idea that the semantic content of a sentence
> > is determined by the norms governing inferences to and from it, and the
> > idea that the distinctive function of logical vocabulary is to let us
> > make our tacit inferential commitments explicit.
>
> Okay, whatever.

Could you be a little more explicit?

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I saw a Barnes and Noble and so went in, just because. Great
one-stop-shop to see ALL stereotypes present in full force ...
Yet, even T Bone saw something he had not seen before--a "chick
lit" table. There were stacks of about 25 or so books and the
whole thing looked like a chalky white pyramid draped in faint
pink and violet fabrics. I haven't seen anything so silky and
satanic for a long time *shudder*

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Tony Harminc wrote:
>
> I've put a few pictures at http://tonyh.fotopic.net/ (thanks for the

I found just one -- I think I was doing something wrong.  Will try again
tomorrow.  Cute picture!

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"Worse for Verse": The stunningly original headline of
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/media/story.jsp?story=436614
might make you think we are living in a time of exciting
literary innovation. Alas, not so--read the article. The
message isn't all that complex, despite the de rigueur
even-handedness of the article. It's that "these findings
paint a picture of an art form in decline", plain and simple.
Poetry is in decline in the English-speaking world. Learn
Español right now if you don't want to die of boredom.

(BTW spare me the descriptions of "disdainful intellectual
poets" and reviewers whose own work is "incomprehensible"
to the common man ... That makes it sound like poetry is
some sort of tragic, noble be-bop, growing unpopular due
to its own overly cerebral refinement. It's f***ing CRAP
is what it is.)

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At 08:46 PM 8/25/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-08-25 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > At 07:37 PM 8/25/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
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> > >reading my book ...
> >
> > What were you reading?
>
>"Articulating Reasons: An Introduction to Inferentialism", by Robert
>B. Brandom, which is an easy entry into two of the main themes of
>his "Making It Explicit": the idea that the semantic content of a
>sentence is determined by the norms governing inferences to and from
>it, and the idea that the distinctive function of logical vocabulary
>is to let us make our tacit inferential commitments explicit.

No wonder you were engrossed.

B

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Have y'all noticed a sudden increase in top-postings since Nipper
returned and made that the <in> style?

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No.

02003-08-25 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Have y'all noticed a sudden increase in top-postings since Nipper
> returned and made that the <in> style?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         I prefer no accent to the badly done accents.  All those
> shows set in Boston lack accents for the most part.

They're silent movies?

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02003-08-25 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 08:46 PM 8/25/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-08-25 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >> At 07:37 PM 8/25/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> >Of course, THEY probably thought *I* was an asshole, going on
> >> >reading my book ...
> >>
> >> What were you reading?
> >
> >"Articulating Reasons: An Introduction to Inferentialism", by Robert
> >B. Brandom, which is an easy entry into two of the main themes of
> >his "Making It Explicit": the idea that the semantic content of a
> >sentence is determined by the norms governing inferences to and from
> >it, and the idea that the distinctive function of logical vocabulary
> >is to let us make our tacit inferential commitments explicit.
>
> No wonder you were engrossed.

I am not, usually, but I was at the part where the program of deriving
singular terms from the pragmatically prior sentences (or judgements)
is adumbrated with Fregean quotations.

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02003-08-25 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Rita Chapman wrote:
> >
> >         I prefer no accent to the badly done accents.  All those
> > shows set in Boston lack accents for the most part.
>
> They're silent movies?

Wow, you are with linguism today like a Dr Voigtlander with philosophy!

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> Have y'all noticed a sudden increase in top-postings
> since Nipper
> returned and made that the <in> style?

Not really.

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> > Okay, whatever.
>
> Could you be a little more explicit?

I would not want to get into things that under your
head.


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> I am not, usually, but I was at the part where the
> program of deriving
> singular terms from the pragmatically prior
> sentences (or judgements)
> is adumbrated with Fregean quotations.

No wonder.  That's the juicy part.  Are those pages
well-thumbed?


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02003-08-25 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > > Okay, whatever.
> >
> > Could you be a little more explicit?
>
> I would not want to get into things that under your
> head.

That's considerate of you, bless you.

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What was your final conclusion in the fruit/veg.
survey?  Was it a tie?

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WHAAAAAAAA!?

Baaaaaaaad Betty...


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> > I love the description of him waking up in your arms.  'Al did good.
Has
> > he noticed the piercing yet?
> >
> > Betty
>
> Hehehe,  you are trouble!
>
> Terry

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Was that one of the options?

>From: Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>

>
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>survey?  Was it a tie?
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"Even the French boy wonder's precocity is beaten by Chatterton - dead at
17, stretched out stark and stiff in a Holborn garret, surrounded by scraps
of brilliant, unwanted verse. As Chatterton discovered, youthful achievement
rarely brings rapid acclaim."

Just when, one wonders, did young Chatterbox get around to discovering this?
I bet he never learnt it.

"Sophie Hannah is already among the best at comprehending in rhyming verse
the indignity of having a body and the nobility of having a heart."

I see the problem here.  She has everything twisted around.  Everybody
comprehends this.  What's not so clear is the nobility of having a body and
the indignity of having a heart.

'What the critics say: "Themes of erasure, absence and isolation are
explored in a voice so ingenuous, its language and syntax so plain, that it
takes a while to notice quite how disturbing the poetry is."'

This sounds like very zany stuff.  I own a t-shirt that is ingenuous, plain,
and yet, after a while, disturbing.





>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: "Worse for Verse"
>Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:18:12 -0500
>
>"Worse for Verse": The stunningly original headline of
>http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/media/story.jsp?story=436614
>might make you think we are living in a time of exciting
>literary innovation. Alas, not so--read the article. The
>message isn't all that complex, despite the de rigueur
>even-handedness of the article. It's that "these findings
>paint a picture of an art form in decline", plain and simple.
>Poetry is in decline in the English-speaking world. Learn
>Español right now if you don't want to die of boredom.
>
>(BTW spare me the descriptions of "disdainful intellectual
>poets" and reviewers whose own work is "incomprehensible"
>to the common man ... That makes it sound like poetry is
>some sort of tragic, noble be-bop, growing unpopular due
>to its own overly cerebral refinement. It's f***ing CRAP
>is what it is.)

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Have said anything, let alone the F word.

My computer stopped working entirely after a couple of hours. I had to
flash the BIOS in order to start it again, which was a huge trip
because, of course, I have no way to copy the new BIOS to a disk. (I
don't know if my library lets you download stuff.) Anyway, My Fiber
Friend made disks for me, and Ligniere brought me a system I can
borrow for a couple of days. Whew!!!!

I am still stressed.

Karen

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On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:40:32 -0700, Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
wrote:
>What was your final conclusion in the fruit/veg.
>survey?  Was it a tie?

I have no idea. I didn't get enough sesrious answers to my question to
bother counting.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I am still stressed.

Be careful not to commit crimes as a result.  What is a Fiber Friend,
btw?  Someone with whom you share wheatgerm?

What is to be the fate of your computer?  Do you know yet?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Tony Harminc wrote:
>
> I've put a few pictures at http://tonyh.fotopic.net/ (thanks for the

They loaded fine this morning.  Good pictures.  I'm the one who left the
comment last night from something like wontell.adr.  That was for the
first picture, which was the only one I saw last night.

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From: Karen Kay <Karen@WordWrite.com>
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On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Be careful not to commit crimes as a result.

I'll try.

> What is a Fiber Friend,
> btw?  Someone with whom you share wheatgerm?

No, she is the person who got me into knitting and spinning.

> What is to be the fate of your computer?  Do you know yet?

No. Ligniere was here till after 1, and he showed me how to hot swap
hard drives in the system he left for me, so I'm less worried than I
was.

The worst-case scenario is that I'll have to replace the motherboard,
I think. But flashing the BIOS seems to have done the trick.

Karen

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On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
> Realize that Karen has lived in many other cities and claims to have
> no recollection of ever having seen employees in the aisles (having
> only "heard of them").

Oh, no. I was only talking about the here and now.

> I am led to believe that: a) she is lying; b)
> she is blind; or c) she just really likes to annoy the people that
> are waiting in line by butting up to the front to ask her question.

d) None of the above. I'm mostly talking about one store, the one I go
to most often.

Karen

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Our dear ACME Markets is now owned by Albertson's, they have help all over
the place. Our new favorite store is Giant   http://www.giantpa.com/ owned
by Royal Ahold, the Dutch giant.


Alec



>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Marie Ascher
>Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:03 AM
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>
>
>Realize that Karen has lived in many other cities and claims
>to have no recollection of ever having seen employees in the
>aisles (having only "heard of them"). I am led to believe
>that: a) she is lying; b) she is blind; or c) she just really
>likes to annoy the people that are waiting in line by butting
>up to the front to ask her question.
>
>Marie
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Rita Leonard <leonard@BC.EDU>
>Date: Monday, August 25, 2003 7:39 pm
>Subject: Re: DNA
>
>> I have got to move to Austin!   In the grocery store here in
>> Littleton,Massachusetts, I swear that it is policy to block as
>> many aisles as
>> possible with cartons and "persons" for restocking during business
>> hours.   One has to traverse the entire store twice to get
>> everything on
>> the shopping list most days.
>>
>> Rita L.
>>
>> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>
>> >Karen Kay wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>>You don't have people wandering around wearing your
>grocery store's
>> >>>nametag -- restocking shelves, etc?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>No. I've heard of these, of course, but never seen one. Oh,
>> except at
>> >>Walmart, which isn't a grocery store, per se.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >Do they do things like restocking at weird times?  I don't
>> remember ever
>> >having been in a grocery store that didn't have wandering employees
>> >fooling with stuff on shelves or sometimes just sort of wandering
>> >around.
>> >
>> >--
>> > -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>> >
>> >
>>
>

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On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> Our dear ACME Markets is now owned by Albertson's, they have help all over
> the place.

My Albertson's in CA did also. As I said, my claim was VERY SPECIFIC.

Karen

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Realize that Karen has lived in many other cities and claims to have no recollection of ever having seen employees in the aisles (having only "heard of them"). I am led to believe that: a) she is lying; b) she is blind; or c) she just really likes to annoy the people that are waiting in line by butting up to the front to ask her question.

Marie

----- Original Message -----
From: Rita Leonard <leonard@BC.EDU>
Date: Monday, August 25, 2003 7:39 pm
Subject: Re: DNA

> I have got to move to Austin!   In the grocery store here in
> Littleton,Massachusetts, I swear that it is policy to block as
> many aisles as
> possible with cartons and "persons" for restocking during business
> hours.   One has to traverse the entire store twice to get
> everything on
> the shopping list most days.
>
> Rita L.
>
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>You don't have people wandering around wearing your grocery store's
> >>>nametag -- restocking shelves, etc?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>No. I've heard of these, of course, but never seen one. Oh,
> except at
> >>Walmart, which isn't a grocery store, per se.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Do they do things like restocking at weird times?  I don't
> remember ever
> >having been in a grocery store that didn't have wandering employees
> >fooling with stuff on shelves or sometimes just sort of wandering
> >around.
> >
> >--
> > -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> >
> >
>

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> Does Surflight Theater still exist in Beach Haven?

Yep, it's still there.

Have you ever been to the Holiday Snack Bar (very nearby)?

Marie

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Greetings,

You seem to have persisted with the article longer than I could.
Congratulations. To take your points in order:

02003-08-26 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> "Even the French boy wonder's precocity is beaten by Chatterton - dead at
> 17, stretched out stark and stiff in a Holborn garret, surrounded by scraps
> of brilliant, unwanted verse. As Chatterton discovered, youthful achievement
> rarely brings rapid acclaim."
>
> Just when, one wonders, did young Chatterbox get around to discovering this?
> I bet he never learnt it.

However, note that this kind of sloppiness is fully acceptable
in published writing.

> "Sophie Hannah is already among the best at comprehending in rhyming verse
> the indignity of having a body and the nobility of having a heart."
>
> I see the problem here.  She has everything twisted around.  Everybody
> comprehends this.  What's not so clear is the nobility of having a body
> and the indignity of having a heart.

The critics certainly are masters of the cliche! They seem to
display extraordinarily facility with the current and the now in
critical writing, leading one to suspect they attended graduate
school at the U of Chicago.

> 'What the critics say: "Themes of erasure, absence and isolation are
> explored in a voice so ingenuous, its language and syntax so plain, that it
> takes a while to notice quite how disturbing the poetry is."'
>
> This sounds like very zany stuff.  I own a t-shirt that is ingenuous, plain,
> and yet, after a while, disturbing.

"Themes of erasure" is undoubtedly the zaniest and most refreshing
coinage I have heard in the last ten years. I would nominate it for
the ADS's "word of the year" list. As for T-shirts, I personally
have none which explore the theme of erasure, but I do have one which
says "Downers Grove Bowling League"--which I think is ironically wacky!

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02003-08-26 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > What is a Fiber Friend,
> > btw?  Someone with whom you share wheatgerm?
>
> No, she is the person who got me into knitting and spinning.

Come on, WOMEN with concocted aliases? That's going too far ...

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Looks like a great place to spend some time with family.

Betty

At 06:56 PM 8/25/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>I've put a few pictures at http://tonyh.fotopic.net/ (thanks for the
>suggestion - it seems to work well when it's not slow...)
>
>These were almost all taken by the "toy guy" who comes up every year;
>he has the latest in every kind of toy from waterskis to windsurfers
>to digital cameras. This year he brought not only the laptop with CD
>burner (so he can hand us all the week's pictures before we leave),
>but also the projector (so he could watch widescreen DVDs every
>evening on a bedsheet pinned up inside his cottage). Next year it'll
>probably be satellite Internet access or something.
>
>The panorama and several others are best seen at full size.
>
>There are lots more, but many of them are just shots of other
>people's kids without a lot of scenic background.
>
>Tony H.

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On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-08-26 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> > What is a Fiber Friend,
>> > btw?  Someone with whom you share wheatgerm?
>>
>> No, she is the person who got me into knitting and spinning.

> Come on, WOMEN with concocted aliases? That's going too far ...

'Concocted aliases'? That's going too far...

Karen

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On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-08-26 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > 02003-08-26 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> >> > What is a Fiber Friend,
>> >> > btw?  Someone with whom you share wheatgerm?
>> >>
>> >> No, she is the person who got me into knitting and spinning.
>>
>> > Come on, WOMEN with concocted aliases? That's going too far ...
>>
>> 'Concocted aliases'? That's going too far...

> Fill in the blanks ... Obviously I meant concocted *fictitious*
> aliases. Now could we get to the point?

Well, no!!! Think who you're talking to, man!

Karen

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02003-08-26 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-08-26 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> > What is a Fiber Friend,
> >> > btw?  Someone with whom you share wheatgerm?
> >>
> >> No, she is the person who got me into knitting and spinning.
>
> > Come on, WOMEN with concocted aliases? That's going too far ...
>
> 'Concocted aliases'? That's going too far...

Fill in the blanks ... Obviously I meant concocted *fictitious*
aliases. Now could we get to the point?

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02003-08-26 | Tony Harminc <tony@HARMINC.COM> writes:
> On Tuesday, August 26, 2003 at 0:05, Marty Rosen wrote:
>
> > This sounds like very zany stuff.  I own a t-shirt that is ingenuous, plain,
> > and yet, after a while, disturbing.
>
> I had one like that too, but I was able to fix it by trimming the
> scratchy label with nail scissors. Now I am able to enjoy the plain
> ingenuousness (or is it the ingenuous plainness?) of it with no more
> disturbances.

That's utterly zany!

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On Tuesday, August 26, 2003 at 0:05, Marty Rosen wrote:

> This sounds like very zany stuff.  I own a t-shirt that is ingenuous, plain,
> and yet, after a while, disturbing.

I had one like that too, but I was able to fix it by trimming the
scratchy label with nail scissors. Now I am able to enjoy the plain
ingenuousness (or is it the ingenuous plainness?) of it with no more
disturbances.

Tony H.

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> Yep, it's still there.

I remember Joe Hayes, the founder of Surflight, and
how shocked we all were at his death.  I believe he
was just forty-something.  Most summers, we never
missed a new show.  It was a tiny place then.

> Have you ever been to the Holiday Snack Bar (very
> nearby)?

No.  I haven't been to LBI since early in our
marriage, say 28 years ago or so.  What sort of place
is it?



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Marty Rosen wrote:

> Is this a troll, or are you just desperately uninformed?

    As always a most excellent refutation.  Were you on the debate team?

JMW

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> > "Sophie Hannah is already among the best at comprehending in rhyming
> > verse the indignity of having a body and the nobility of having a
> > heart."
> >
> > I see the problem here.  She has everything twisted around.  Everybody
> > comprehends this.  What's not so clear is the nobility of having a body
> > and the indignity of having a heart.

  Long For This World
  by Sophie Hannah

  I settle for less than snow,
  try to go gracefully like seasons go

  which will regain their ground -
  ditch, hill and field - when a new year comes round.

  Now I know everything:
  how winter leaves without resenting spring,

  lives in a safe time frame,
  gives up so much but knows he can reclaim

  all titles that are his,
  fall out for months and still be what he is.

  I settle for less than snow:
  high only once, then no way up from low,

  then to be swept from drives.
  Ten words I throw into your changing lives

  fly like ten snowballs hurled:
  I hope to be, and will, long for this world.


I feel like a disdainful hermetic critic whose own
work is incomprehensible. Ms Chapman, I have wronged
you. May I have a hug.

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02003-08-26 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-08-26 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> > 02003-08-26 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> >> > What is a Fiber Friend,
> >> >> > btw?  Someone with whom you share wheatgerm?
> >> >>
> >> >> No, she is the person who got me into knitting and spinning.
> >>
> >> > Come on, WOMEN with concocted aliases? That's going too far ...
> >>
> >> 'Concocted aliases'? That's going too far...
>
> > Fill in the blanks ... Obviously I meant concocted *fictitious*
> > aliases. Now could we get to the point?
>
> Well, no!!! Think who you're talking to, man!

Don't overthink it, just answer the question.

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>   Long For This World
>   by Sophie Hannah
>
>   I settle for less than snow,
>   try to go gracefully like seasons go
>
>   which will regain their ground -
>   ditch, hill and field - when a new year comes
> round.
>
>   Now I know everything:
>   how winter leaves without resenting spring,
>
>   lives in a safe time frame,
>   gives up so much but knows he can reclaim
>
>   all titles that are his,
>   fall out for months and still be what he is.
>
>   I settle for less than snow:
>   high only once, then no way up from low,
>
>   then to be swept from drives.
>   Ten words I throw into your changing lives
>
>   fly like ten snowballs hurled:
>   I hope to be, and will, long for this world.

T.S., this is truly awful.  You deserve a hug for not
having written it.


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Could you be precise regarding the nature of your intended "or"?

Marie:
I am led to believe that: a) she is lying; b) she is blind; or c) she just
really likes to annoy the people that are waiting in line by butting up to
the front to ask her question.
>
>Marie
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Rita Leonard <leonard@BC.EDU>
>Date: Monday, August 25, 2003 7:39 pm
>Subject: Re: DNA
>
> > I have got to move to Austin!   In the grocery store here in
> > Littleton,Massachusetts, I swear that it is policy to block as
> > many aisles as
> > possible with cartons and "persons" for restocking during business
> > hours.   One has to traverse the entire store twice to get
> > everything on
> > the shopping list most days.
> >
> > Rita L.
> >
> > Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> > >Karen Kay wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>>You don't have people wandering around wearing your grocery store's
> > >>>nametag -- restocking shelves, etc?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>No. I've heard of these, of course, but never seen one. Oh,
> > except at
> > >>Walmart, which isn't a grocery store, per se.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >Do they do things like restocking at weird times?  I don't
> > remember ever
> > >having been in a grocery store that didn't have wandering employees
> > >fooling with stuff on shelves or sometimes just sort of wandering
> > >around.
> > >
> > >--
> > > -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> > >
> > >
> >

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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I'm not getting any list mail so I'm writing this to see if it will turn
up in the ftp archives.

I know it will, so this is pretty useless.

Still.

Ann

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Indeed I was!  Now, answer the question.  If it wasn't a troll, I refer you
to Lexis-Nexis, where I'm quite certain a search for articles dealing with
deregulation and the recent grid problems will help you sort things out.

> > Is this a troll, or are you just desperately uninformed?
>
>     As always a most excellent refutation.  Were you on the debate team?
>
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Such nobility leaves me indignant!  There should be a monument to her in
Kansas City, MO, the Hartford, Connecticut of doggerel.


>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
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>Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:07:46 -0500
>
> > > "Sophie Hannah is already among the best at comprehending in rhyming
> > > verse the indignity of having a body and the nobility of having a
> > > heart."
> > >
> > > I see the problem here.  She has everything twisted around.  Everybody
> > > comprehends this.  What's not so clear is the nobility of having a
>body
> > > and the indignity of having a heart.
>
>   Long For This World
>   by Sophie Hannah
>
>   I settle for less than snow,
>   try to go gracefully like seasons go
>
>   which will regain their ground -
>   ditch, hill and field - when a new year comes round.
>
>   Now I know everything:
>   how winter leaves without resenting spring,
>
>   lives in a safe time frame,
>   gives up so much but knows he can reclaim
>
>   all titles that are his,
>   fall out for months and still be what he is.
>
>   I settle for less than snow:
>   high only once, then no way up from low,
>
>   then to be swept from drives.
>   Ten words I throw into your changing lives
>
>   fly like ten snowballs hurled:
>   I hope to be, and will, long for this world.
>
>
>I feel like a disdainful hermetic critic whose own
>work is incomprehensible. Ms Chapman, I have wronged
>you. May I have a hug.

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You should think about subscribing to this <service>.


>From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET>
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>I'm not getting any list mail so I'm writing this to see if it will turn
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>I know it will, so this is pretty useless.
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02003-08-26 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> You deserve a hug for not having written it.

screw your authorial primacy man

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02003-08-26 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Such nobility leaves me indignant!

In the heart, or in the body?

> There should be a monument to her in Kansas City, MO, the Hartford,
> Connecticut of doggerel.

I think every town should be the Hartford, Connecticut of something.

Let me begin with the obvious, somewhat zany characterization:
Hartford is the Hartford, Connecticut of Connecticut.

Please fill this list as you see fit:

 1 _________ is the Hartford, Connecticut of karaoke.
 2 _________ is the Hartford, Connecticut of GREAT burgers.
 3 _________ is the Hartford, Connecticut of flash mobs.
 4 _________ is the Hartford, Connecticut of "weird".
 5 _________ is the Hartford, Connecticut of boboism.
 6 _________ is the Hartford, Connecticut of chain coffee shops.
 7 _________ is the Hartford, Connecticut of condos.
 8 _________ is the Hartford, Connecticut of tiki-themed bars.
 9 _________ is the Hartford, Connecticut of blogging.
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02003-08-26 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> You should think about subscribing to this <service>.

You are a kind and thoughtful man, Marty.

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Well, if you base your estimation of the current state of
English poetry on what you read at the National Library of
Poetry website, all sorts of questions are answered.

Tushar, how can you say you love me, yet make me read that
crap?  I'll have nightmares tonight.

Marty Rosen wrote:

> "Even the French boy wonder's precocity is beaten by Chatterton - dead at
> 17, stretched out stark and stiff in a Holborn garret, surrounded by scraps
> of brilliant, unwanted verse. As Chatterton discovered, youthful
> achievement
> rarely brings rapid acclaim."
>
> Just when, one wonders, did young Chatterbox get around to discovering
> this?
> I bet he never learnt it.
>
> "Sophie Hannah is already among the best at comprehending in rhyming verse
> the indignity of having a body and the nobility of having a heart."
>
> I see the problem here.  She has everything twisted around.  Everybody
> comprehends this.  What's not so clear is the nobility of having a body and
> the indignity of having a heart.
>
> 'What the critics say: "Themes of erasure, absence and isolation are
> explored in a voice so ingenuous, its language and syntax so plain, that it
> takes a while to notice quite how disturbing the poetry is."'
>
> This sounds like very zany stuff.  I own a t-shirt that is ingenuous,
> plain,
> and yet, after a while, disturbing.
>
>
>
>
>
>> From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
>> Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>> To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>> Subject: "Worse for Verse"
>> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:18:12 -0500
>>
>> "Worse for Verse": The stunningly original headline of
>> http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/media/story.jsp?story=436614
>> might make you think we are living in a time of exciting
>> literary innovation. Alas, not so--read the article. The
>> message isn't all that complex, despite the de rigueur
>> even-handedness of the article. It's that "these findings
>> paint a picture of an art form in decline", plain and simple.
>> Poetry is in decline in the English-speaking world. Learn
>> Español right now if you don't want to die of boredom.
>>
>> (BTW spare me the descriptions of "disdainful intellectual
>> poets" and reviewers whose own work is "incomprehensible"
>> to the common man ... That makes it sound like poetry is
>> some sort of tragic, noble be-bop, growing unpopular due
>> to its own overly cerebral refinement. It's f***ing CRAP
>> is what it is.)
>
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02003-08-26 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Well, if you base your estimation of the current state of
> English poetry on what you read at the National Library of
> Poetry website, all sorts of questions are answered.

You have to be good to be snotty, Rita.

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http://www.concierge.com/cntraveler/whereareyou/

AS

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> I remember Joe Hayes, the founder of Surflight, and
> how shocked we all were at his death.  I believe he
> was just forty-something.  Most summers, we never
> missed a new show.  It was a tiny place then.

I've never been inside, but it's still a pretty tiny place. I always figured it was pretty cheesy.
>
> > Have you ever been to the Holiday Snack Bar (very
> > nearby)?
>
> No.  I haven't been to LBI since early in our
> marriage, say 28 years ago or so.  What sort of place
> is it?

It's been there since 1948 but I never noticed it until last year. It's the kind of place I might have walked by forever, but one day in a moment of brilliance, found magnetic. It's like walking into the past. Simple food, great burgers, grilled cheese, steamers, BLTs and the like. Good soups. And GREAT PIES. The entire room which isn't that big, is taken up by one square counter, with counterpeople in the middle. I don't think it's changed much in it's 55 years, and it's perfect just the way it is. Classic.

Marie

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I can't believe how much the kids have changed!! What year was our dinner at the China Grill? 1999? 2000? How old are they now?

Marie

----- Original Message -----
From: Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU>
Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:23 pm
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> Looks like a great place to spend some time with family.
>
> Betty
>
> At 06:56 PM 8/25/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >I've put a few pictures at http://tonyh.fotopic.net/ (thanks for the
> >suggestion - it seems to work well when it's not slow...)
> >
> >These were almost all taken by the "toy guy" who comes up every year;
> >he has the latest in every kind of toy from waterskis to windsurfers
> >to digital cameras. This year he brought not only the laptop with CD
> >burner (so he can hand us all the week's pictures before we leave),
> >but also the projector (so he could watch widescreen DVDs every
> >evening on a bedsheet pinned up inside his cottage). Next year it'll
> >probably be satellite Internet access or something.
> >
> >The panorama and several others are best seen at full size.
> >
> >There are lots more, but many of them are just shots of other
> >people's kids without a lot of scenic background.
> >
> >Tony H.
>

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On Tuesday, August 26, 2003 at 14:56, Amy Burns Short wrote:

> http://www.concierge.com/cntraveler/whereareyou/

Team knows!  (I suppose they set the puzzle before the location
became prominent in the news.)

Tony H.

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Marty Rosen wrote:

> Indeed I was!

    Is it too late to get your money back?  Or were you out the day they
covered argumentation?

> Now, answer the question.  If it wasn't a troll, I refer you
> to Lexis-Nexis, where I'm quite certain a search for articles dealing with
> deregulation and the recent grid problems will help you sort things out.

    Like this one?  Darned if I can find George Bush's name in here anywhere.
Of course, he wasn't the president ten years ago, was he?  And the Chron *is*
such a right-wing rag...

JMW
===================================================
THE SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE

December 31, 2000

Genesis Of State's Energy Fiasco
String of bad decisions on deregulation could end up costing consumers $40
billion

        Author:
        Christian Berthelsen;

Chronicle Staff Writer



Article Text:
Next month, about 10 million Californians may begin paying as much as 30
percent more for electricity, in a maddening
coda to one of the most costly public policy mistakes ever made.

When the state's leaders started moving the energy system toward deregulation
six years ago, they envisioned a brand
new day in which utility companies' long-standing monopoly would be broken and
rates would decline by as much as 25
percent.

Instead, when it is over, it may cost customers of the state's investor- owned
utilities $40 billion, perhaps more. In the
coming year, it could harm the world's sixth-largest economy and send a ripple
effect throughout the globe for those
dependent on California's continued prosperity.

This is the story of what went wrong with deregulation, and how planning
lapses, serious policy blunders -- and warnings
that came too late -- set California's two main utilities, Pacific Gas &
Electric Co. and Southern California Edison,
toward a train wreck.

Power plant construction lagged while demand expanded. Leaders misjudged how
much competition there would be to
supply California with juice. And flawed deregulation laws left utilities and
their customers at the mercy of power
companies, extracting the highest price for electricity.

"There was a blind adherence to free-market ideology that couldn't possibly
work," said Eugene Coyle, a former utility
securities analyst, economist and early opponent of deregulation. "There were
poorly thought-out specifics."

In the early 1990s, businesses were fleeing the state amid the worst economic
times since the Great Depression. Energy
rates were 50 percent higher than they were on average across the nation,
because of commitments to more expensive,
environmentally friendly power and cost overruns for nuclear power plant
construction.

Large customers such as steel makers, mining concerns and cement makers, for
which electricity costs make up 25
percent of their overhead, saw that independent power producers were offering
power much more cheaply. They began
to insist on change.

The United States had deregulated long-distance telephone service, airlines and
a host of other industries, often with
resulting competition that was a boon to consumers. Why not do the same for
electricity?

So California embarked on a pioneering experiment. In 1993 and 1994, the
California Public Utilities Commission began
to draft such a policy. It allowed large users to buy power directly from
independent producers and froze customer rates
at artificially high levels so utilities could recover their investments in
costly plants.

The utilities sought to have the terms codified in law, and in early 1996, a
number of bills were introduced in the
Legislature to do so.

Some observers say that what happened next contributed to the overall plan's
flaws. Months passed while the discussion
meandered and faltered, and at one point it even appeared that no law would be
passed.

That's when state Sen. Steve Peace took the reins and tried to make something
happen.

The San Diego legislator already had won the respect of his colleagues for his
work on another complex piece of
legislation, reform of the workers' compensation system.

During a hurried two-week conference in August -- dubbed the "Steve Peace death
march" for his propensity to keep
negotiators at the table late into the night -- the fine points of the energy
law were hashed out.

Legislators entrusted their judgment to Peace and the few colleagues who worked
on the bill. There was an abiding
sense by a number of participants that few members of either house knew what
was in the bill or even understood it. It
was passed by both houses of the Legislature unanimously and signed into law
the following month.

"People were grateful to Peace and (former Sen. Diane) Martinez for taking it
on," said Debra Bowen, D-Los Angeles,
the current chair of the Senate energy committee. "Historically, utilities were
a pretty boring topic, and I think term limits
factored into it."

The law was to end the monopolistic control that utilities held over both power
production and supply by requiring them
to sell off their generators. It set rates artificially high so they could
recover money from bad investments. And it gave
them nearly two years to prepare for competition.

Moreover, residential customers would be granted an immediate 10 percent rate
cut.

The system took effect April 1, 1998, and, at first, things seemed to work
well. Soon, though, there were warning signs.

It turned out the residential rate cut was actually going to be financed with
$7.5 billion in bonds that customers had to pay
off. So the reduction in real terms was closer to only 3 percent, not 10
percent.

Then in early 1999, the California Energy Commission, which tracks the state's
supply and demand, was warning of
coming supply shortfalls.

Demand was skyrocketing, the agency pointed out in a Senate energy committee
hearing, and no new significant
generation had been built in a decade. Without more power, California was going
to run out. But construction of new
power plants takes at least two years from start to finish, and the state was
already running behind in accommodating the
growth.

Back in the early 1990s, however, the energy commission had painted a far
different picture. At that time, California had
an oversupply of power, perhaps as much as 30 percent more than it needed.

There was so much that when the utilities commission set up an auction for the
construction of new facilities in the early
1990s, Edison and San Diego Gas and Electric Co. appealed to the Federal Energy
Regulatory Commission to halt the
auction, arguing there was already too much generation in California. The FERC
obliged.

"If anybody had told us in 1996, or even in 1998, that we would experience
(such) load increases, we would have said,
'You're crazy,' " said D.J. Smith, a lobbyist for the California Large Energy
Consumers Association and one of the top
advocates of deregulation. "Nobody had ever seen load go up like that in a
mature situation."

Still, production figures from Edison Electric Institute, which provide a crude
indicator of demand, show consumption
grew by 4 percent in 1996, 3.4 percent in 1997, nearly 5 percent in 1999, and a
whopping 10 percent this year.

 And surrounding states, including Arizona, Nevada, Oregon and Washington,
began to experience the same demand
growth. Since California imported as much as 25 percent of its power from those
states, the amount available was
suddenly reduced by as much as half.

But considering the long time it takes to build plants, in part because of
public opposition, the warnings were too little,
too late. In fact, the situation remained far off the radar screen of
consumers, since most were still insulated from price
spikes by a rate freeze.

Then this summer, things started to spiral out of control.

San Diego was the first region to meet the conditions necessary for full
deregulation, and as hot summer months added to
demand, customers' bills suddenly tripled.

The debt load of PG&E and Edison began to balloon -- to what will be an
estimated $11 billion by the end of 2000 --
as they borrowed to pay for power while being barred from passing that cost on
to consumers.

Suddenly, the glow of deregulation had lost its luster.

It immediately became clear that California's failure to build power plants as
its rapidly growing economy pushed demand
upward was a serious problem. Increasingly, the state's growing technology
economy depended on electricity, and new
home construction concentrated in hot areas like Riverside and San Bernardino
counties, where air conditioning is a
must.

And for all the talk of competition, there was a serious flaw that made the
market singularly uncompetitive.

In order to encourage generators to create as much power as possible,
deregulation guaranteed the highest price for
wholesale electricity. Through a practice known as the "market clearing price,"
the last bidders -- who are invariably the
most expensive -- set the price everyone would receive.

In other words, if the first generator bids $30 for a certain amount of
megawatts but the last bids $100, those two
bidders and everyone in between receive $100. As the wholesale price of
electricity skyrocketed to $1,500 per
megawatt hour this month from $30 before the storm, the high cost has been
compounded by the fact that everyone
receives that amount.

Further, the law had encouraged utilities to sell their generators and existing
electricity supply without guaranteeing access
to affordable power.

Rather than arranging to buy power on long-term contracts that could have saved
money, they were put in the position of
having to buy their power on a market where profit was the ultimate goal, and
they and their consumers had to pay the
price.

Perhaps in the biggest misjudgment, policymakers neglected the huge amount of
money it takes to run power companies
and attract customers. Thus, they overestimated how much competition would
flourish in the market.

Running power companies is so costly -- $500 million to build a new plant --
that only a handful of companies bought
into the market. And once they were here, the marketing cost of signing up new
customers was astronomical.

Indeed, since choice has become available to California, less than

1 percent of residential customers has changed electricity providers. The same
goes for just 15 percent to 20 percent of
industrial customers -- the class that advocated deregulation in the first
place.

At the end of the day, this experiment in deregulation has come at a staggering
cost: $40 billion. That includes the $23
billion already paid by customers when rates were frozen at artificially high
levels, and the $7.5 billion in bonds financing
consumers' own rate reduction.

Now a new tab is running -- whatever share of the $11 billion in debt that
state utility regulators decide customers should
pay.

The state's leaders are now casting around desperately for solutions to put
Humpty Dumpty back together again.

The FERC is encouraging the utilities to enter long-term contracts with
suppliers, and market clearing pricing is under
review. The state's utilities commission will decide Jan. 4 how much of a rate
increase to grant to PG&E and Edison.
And a dozen or so power plants are under construction.

Meanwhile, consumer advocates are backing a state ballot measure that would not
only re-regulate utilities but essentially
make energy supply a government function. And they are challenging the
utilities' efforts to pass on their debts to
consumers, noting they have also reaped windfall profits from selling
electricity.

For example, in the quarter covering the summer months when power costs first
went haywire, PG&E's profits amounted
to $225 million, a 22 percent increase over the same period in the previous
year.

In the short term, the state is considering ways to encourage energy
conservation the same way it did with water. And
the question now being asked is whether a commodity as central to the
well-being of the economy should ever have been
placed almost entirely under the control of free enterprise.

"There's a discussion on how much we want to rely on market forces alone when
it comes to electricity," Bowen said.
"Do we want to subject ourselves to times when rates are really low and really
high?"

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    The land of my Fathers!

JMW

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On Tuesday, August 26, 2003 at 16:28, Marie Ascher wrote:

> I can't believe how much the kids have changed!!

For us it's gradual, of course, but every now and then something
brings it to our attention.

> What year was our dinner at the China Grill? 1999? 2000?

1999 feels about right. Simon was born in Oct 97, so he'd have been
just over two. I don't think he's noticeably better behaved at the
table, though. :-(

> How old are they now?

Emily turned nine in June, and Simon will be six in October.

Last year Emily tried waterskiing (without much success), and so
Simon wanted to try too. We humoured him, but he wimped out as soon
as he got in the water. OK - no pressure obviously, at age four.

This year Emily managed to get up a few times, but didn't seem all
that interested. Of course Simon wanted to try again, so I steadied
him in the water, and this time he got up the very first try! (Sadly,
no one was taking pictures.) I was all agape, seeing him zoom away
from me. He did a crash&burn half way across the lake, and it seems
to have spooked him a bit, since he didn't want to try again. "Maybe
when I'm a teenager", he said several times. At times I think he's
already there.

Emily has turned into a horsey girl. She's at riding camp for the
second stint this summer. So she's doing big girl things, mostly. But
both of them are still willing to give us hugs and even talk to us on
occasion.

Tony H.

> > >I've put a few pictures at http://tonyh.fotopic.net/

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Simon Harminc:
>"Maybe when I'm a teenager"

Damn, the last I heard of Simon, he was
the little orange chap.

You're a blessed man, Tony.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I was talking to someone after Meeting about this today. I said I
> thought that it was about 10-15% without jobs, and another 30 percent
> underemployed. Another person said he thought it was higher than that.
>
> What do you think?

==============================
Here's what the Washington Post has to say:


>                                 The Conference Board, an independent New York business research group,
>                                 said its gauge of leading economic indicators rose 0.4 percent last month, to
>                                 112.5 percent, from 0.3 percent in June.
>
>                                 Also yesterday, the Labor Department reported that the number of people
>                                 who filed new claims for unemployment benefits fell last week to the lowest
>                                 level in six months.
>
>                                 The Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia, meanwhile, said its index of
>                                 regional factory business conditions surpassed forecasts in August.
>
>                                 Wall Street responded favorably to the reports. The Dow Jones industrial
>                                 average rose 26.17 points, or 0.3 percent, closing at 9423.68. The
>                                 technology-heavy Nasdaq Stock Market composite index rose 17.01, or 1
>                                 percent, to 1777.55, its highest point since January. The Standard & Poor's
>                                 500-stock index advanced 2.97, or 0.3 percent, to end the day at 1003.27.
>
>                                 "What we've got this summer is not signs that the economy might get
>                                 better, but proof that it's actually getting better," Ken Goldstein, an
>                                 economist for the Conference Board, said. "The big picture is that after
>                                 having spent a year and a half in limbo, the economy is finally getting
>                                 somewhere."
>

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On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, John Williams wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> I was talking to someone after Meeting about this today. I said I
>> thought that it was about 10-15% without jobs, and another 30 percent
>> underemployed. Another person said he thought it was higher than that.
>>
>> What do you think?

> ==============================
> Here's what the Washington Post has to say:

Actually, this doesn't say anything about unemployment figures except:

>> Also yesterday, the Labor Department reported that the number of people
>> who filed new claims for unemployment benefits fell last week to the lowest
>> level in six months.

Whoopie pickles. If someone is unemployed for, say a year, and uses up
their benefits, is re-employed, and laid off after, say, five months,
isn't eligible to apply again. I think a lot of people are being
caught by this, from what I hear.

Karen

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>but we just kept on swimming and such, and enjoyed the
>fact that we were staying somewhere with lots of backup
>infrastructure, on a warm week in August rather than being in some
>highrise apartment in February without heat or water.
>Tony H.

Did you come home to any kind of a mess?  Spoiled food in the 'frig?


bonnie

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The article certainly helps document some of the flaws in California's
deregulation scheme, though it doesn't specifically address the link between
deregulation and the blackout.  Your original comment:

"Um, what deregulation?  When you have a commodity that has to be
produced upon demand and cannot be stockpiled, and has the means of
production curtailed and the means of distribution eliminated in the
face of increasing demand, things like this are inevitable."

began with what seemed to be an indication that there had been no
deregulation.  This just seemed so odd, on the face of it, that I was hoping
to find out what on earth you meant.  It appears you do recognize that the
relationship between the power industry and regulatory bodies has changed in
recent years, and that regulation has diminished.  Or am I imputing too much
sense to your post?




>From: John Williams <williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU>
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>Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:46:17 -0700
>
>Marty Rosen wrote:
>
> > Indeed I was!
>
>     Is it too late to get your money back?  Or were you out the day they
>covered argumentation?
>
> > Now, answer the question.  If it wasn't a troll, I refer you
> > to Lexis-Nexis, where I'm quite certain a search for articles dealing
>with
> > deregulation and the recent grid problems will help you sort things out.
>
>     Like this one?  Darned if I can find George Bush's name in here
>anywhere.
>Of course, he wasn't the president ten years ago, was he?  And the Chron
>*is*
>such a right-wing rag...
>
>JMW
>===================================================
>THE SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE
>
>December 31, 2000
>
>Genesis Of State's Energy Fiasco
>String of bad decisions on deregulation could end up costing consumers $40
>billion
>
>         Author:
>         Christian Berthelsen;
>
>Chronicle Staff Writer
>
>
>
>Article Text:
>Next month, about 10 million Californians may begin paying as much as 30
>percent more for electricity, in a maddening
>coda to one of the most costly public policy mistakes ever made.
>
>When the state's leaders started moving the energy system toward
>deregulation
>six years ago, they envisioned a brand
>new day in which utility companies' long-standing monopoly would be broken
>and
>rates would decline by as much as 25
>percent.
>
>Instead, when it is over, it may cost customers of the state's investor-
>owned
>utilities $40 billion, perhaps more. In the
>coming year, it could harm the world's sixth-largest economy and send a
>ripple
>effect throughout the globe for those
>dependent on California's continued prosperity.
>
>This is the story of what went wrong with deregulation, and how planning
>lapses, serious policy blunders -- and warnings
>that came too late -- set California's two main utilities, Pacific Gas &
>Electric Co. and Southern California Edison,
>toward a train wreck.
>
>Power plant construction lagged while demand expanded. Leaders misjudged
>how
>much competition there would be to
>supply California with juice. And flawed deregulation laws left utilities
>and
>their customers at the mercy of power
>companies, extracting the highest price for electricity.
>
>"There was a blind adherence to free-market ideology that couldn't possibly
>work," said Eugene Coyle, a former utility
>securities analyst, economist and early opponent of deregulation. "There
>were
>poorly thought-out specifics."
>
>In the early 1990s, businesses were fleeing the state amid the worst
>economic
>times since the Great Depression. Energy
>rates were 50 percent higher than they were on average across the nation,
>because of commitments to more expensive,
>environmentally friendly power and cost overruns for nuclear power plant
>construction.
>
>Large customers such as steel makers, mining concerns and cement makers,
>for
>which electricity costs make up 25
>percent of their overhead, saw that independent power producers were
>offering
>power much more cheaply. They began
>to insist on change.
>
>The United States had deregulated long-distance telephone service, airlines
>and
>a host of other industries, often with
>resulting competition that was a boon to consumers. Why not do the same for
>electricity?
>
>So California embarked on a pioneering experiment. In 1993 and 1994, the
>California Public Utilities Commission began
>to draft such a policy. It allowed large users to buy power directly from
>independent producers and froze customer rates
>at artificially high levels so utilities could recover their investments in
>costly plants.
>
>The utilities sought to have the terms codified in law, and in early 1996,
>a
>number of bills were introduced in the
>Legislature to do so.
>
>Some observers say that what happened next contributed to the overall
>plan's
>flaws. Months passed while the discussion
>meandered and faltered, and at one point it even appeared that no law would
>be
>passed.
>
>That's when state Sen. Steve Peace took the reins and tried to make
>something
>happen.
>
>The San Diego legislator already had won the respect of his colleagues for
>his
>work on another complex piece of
>legislation, reform of the workers' compensation system.
>
>During a hurried two-week conference in August -- dubbed the "Steve Peace
>death
>march" for his propensity to keep
>negotiators at the table late into the night -- the fine points of the
>energy
>law were hashed out.
>
>Legislators entrusted their judgment to Peace and the few colleagues who
>worked
>on the bill. There was an abiding
>sense by a number of participants that few members of either house knew
>what
>was in the bill or even understood it. It
>was passed by both houses of the Legislature unanimously and signed into
>law
>the following month.
>
>"People were grateful to Peace and (former Sen. Diane) Martinez for taking
>it
>on," said Debra Bowen, D-Los Angeles,
>the current chair of the Senate energy committee. "Historically, utilities
>were
>a pretty boring topic, and I think term limits
>factored into it."
>
>The law was to end the monopolistic control that utilities held over both
>power
>production and supply by requiring them
>to sell off their generators. It set rates artificially high so they could
>recover money from bad investments. And it gave
>them nearly two years to prepare for competition.
>
>Moreover, residential customers would be granted an immediate 10 percent
>rate
>cut.
>
>The system took effect April 1, 1998, and, at first, things seemed to work
>well. Soon, though, there were warning signs.
>
>It turned out the residential rate cut was actually going to be financed
>with
>$7.5 billion in bonds that customers had to pay
>off. So the reduction in real terms was closer to only 3 percent, not 10
>percent.
>
>Then in early 1999, the California Energy Commission, which tracks the
>state's
>supply and demand, was warning of
>coming supply shortfalls.
>
>Demand was skyrocketing, the agency pointed out in a Senate energy
>committee
>hearing, and no new significant
>generation had been built in a decade. Without more power, California was
>going
>to run out. But construction of new
>power plants takes at least two years from start to finish, and the state
>was
>already running behind in accommodating the
>growth.
>
>Back in the early 1990s, however, the energy commission had painted a far
>different picture. At that time, California had
>an oversupply of power, perhaps as much as 30 percent more than it needed.
>
>There was so much that when the utilities commission set up an auction for
>the
>construction of new facilities in the early
>1990s, Edison and San Diego Gas and Electric Co. appealed to the Federal
>Energy
>Regulatory Commission to halt the
>auction, arguing there was already too much generation in California. The
>FERC
>obliged.
>
>"If anybody had told us in 1996, or even in 1998, that we would experience
>(such) load increases, we would have said,
>'You're crazy,' " said D.J. Smith, a lobbyist for the California Large
>Energy
>Consumers Association and one of the top
>advocates of deregulation. "Nobody had ever seen load go up like that in a
>mature situation."
>
>Still, production figures from Edison Electric Institute, which provide a
>crude
>indicator of demand, show consumption
>grew by 4 percent in 1996, 3.4 percent in 1997, nearly 5 percent in 1999,
>and a
>whopping 10 percent this year.
>
>  And surrounding states, including Arizona, Nevada, Oregon and Washington,
>began to experience the same demand
>growth. Since California imported as much as 25 percent of its power from
>those
>states, the amount available was
>suddenly reduced by as much as half.
>
>But considering the long time it takes to build plants, in part because of
>public opposition, the warnings were too little,
>too late. In fact, the situation remained far off the radar screen of
>consumers, since most were still insulated from price
>spikes by a rate freeze.
>
>Then this summer, things started to spiral out of control.
>
>San Diego was the first region to meet the conditions necessary for full
>deregulation, and as hot summer months added to
>demand, customers' bills suddenly tripled.
>
>The debt load of PG&E and Edison began to balloon -- to what will be an
>estimated $11 billion by the end of 2000 --
>as they borrowed to pay for power while being barred from passing that cost
>on
>to consumers.
>
>Suddenly, the glow of deregulation had lost its luster.
>
>It immediately became clear that California's failure to build power plants
>as
>its rapidly growing economy pushed demand
>upward was a serious problem. Increasingly, the state's growing technology
>economy depended on electricity, and new
>home construction concentrated in hot areas like Riverside and San
>Bernardino
>counties, where air conditioning is a
>must.
>
>And for all the talk of competition, there was a serious flaw that made the
>market singularly uncompetitive.
>
>In order to encourage generators to create as much power as possible,
>deregulation guaranteed the highest price for
>wholesale electricity. Through a practice known as the "market clearing
>price,"
>the last bidders -- who are invariably the
>most expensive -- set the price everyone would receive.
>
>In other words, if the first generator bids $30 for a certain amount of
>megawatts but the last bids $100, those two
>bidders and everyone in between receive $100. As the wholesale price of
>electricity skyrocketed to $1,500 per
>megawatt hour this month from $30 before the storm, the high cost has been
>compounded by the fact that everyone
>receives that amount.
>
>Further, the law had encouraged utilities to sell their generators and
>existing
>electricity supply without guaranteeing access
>to affordable power.
>
>Rather than arranging to buy power on long-term contracts that could have
>saved
>money, they were put in the position of
>having to buy their power on a market where profit was the ultimate goal,
>and
>they and their consumers had to pay the
>price.
>
>Perhaps in the biggest misjudgment, policymakers neglected the huge amount
>of
>money it takes to run power companies
>and attract customers. Thus, they overestimated how much competition would
>flourish in the market.
>
>Running power companies is so costly -- $500 million to build a new plant
>--
>that only a handful of companies bought
>into the market. And once they were here, the marketing cost of signing up
>new
>customers was astronomical.
>
>Indeed, since choice has become available to California, less than
>
>1 percent of residential customers has changed electricity providers. The
>same
>goes for just 15 percent to 20 percent of
>industrial customers -- the class that advocated deregulation in the first
>place.
>
>At the end of the day, this experiment in deregulation has come at a
>staggering
>cost: $40 billion. That includes the $23
>billion already paid by customers when rates were frozen at artificially
>high
>levels, and the $7.5 billion in bonds financing
>consumers' own rate reduction.
>
>Now a new tab is running -- whatever share of the $11 billion in debt that
>state utility regulators decide customers should
>pay.
>
>The state's leaders are now casting around desperately for solutions to put
>Humpty Dumpty back together again.
>
>The FERC is encouraging the utilities to enter long-term contracts with
>suppliers, and market clearing pricing is under
>review. The state's utilities commission will decide Jan. 4 how much of a
>rate
>increase to grant to PG&E and Edison.
>And a dozen or so power plants are under construction.
>
>Meanwhile, consumer advocates are backing a state ballot measure that would
>not
>only re-regulate utilities but essentially
>make energy supply a government function. And they are challenging the
>utilities' efforts to pass on their debts to
>consumers, noting they have also reaped windfall profits from selling
>electricity.
>
>For example, in the quarter covering the summer months when power costs
>first
>went haywire, PG&E's profits amounted
>to $225 million, a 22 percent increase over the same period in the previous
>year.
>
>In the short term, the state is considering ways to encourage energy
>conservation the same way it did with water. And
>the question now being asked is whether a commodity as central to the
>well-being of the economy should ever have been
>placed almost entirely under the control of free enterprise.
>
>"There's a discussion on how much we want to rely on market forces alone
>when
>it comes to electricity," Bowen said.
>"Do we want to subject ourselves to times when rates are really low and
>really
>high?"
>
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On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, hominy cricket wrote:
> So unemployment figures are whatever anyone
> wants them to say.  What a revelation.

I didn't say that at all.

>>I think a lot of people are being
>>caught by this, from what I hear.

> Stop listening to them and keep your
> chin up.

It's hard to keep my chin up when I'm looking for pennies in my
pockets...

Karen

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I think I forgot to mention that I saw a bear in the woods for the
first time in my life. One of those small but defining events in
one's life. Well, for this city boy, anyway...

Evidently it's a hot year for bears. There's been much controversy
about cancellation of the usual spring bear hunt in the area for the
last couple of years, with the hunters saying "I told you so - those
conservationists are nuts", and people like me who don't have
terribly strong views on hunting plentiful things like black bears,
who are thrilled and slightly antsy about them being so close.

We had a pretty good blackout night, though the moon spoiled what
would otherwise have been a wonderful cloudless view of the Perseids.
Certainly there was a vague sense that things would have been easier
"up there" than in the city if things got really ugly. I'm not so
sure - food is no easier to come by, certainly, and the gas lineups
were as bad, but we just kept on swimming and such, and enjoyed the
fact that we were staying somewhere with lots of backup
infrastructure, on a warm week in August rather than being in some
highrise apartment in February without heat or water.

Tony H.

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Karen:
> Actually, this doesn't say anything about unemployment figures except:

So unemployment figures are whatever anyone
wants them to say.  What a revelation.

>I think a lot of people are being
>caught by this, from what I hear.

Stop listening to them and keep your
chin up.

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Thank you, my nourishing congee.


>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
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>
>02003-08-26 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > You should think about subscribing to this <service>.
>
>You are a kind and thoughtful man, Marty.

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>
>  1 _Bar Harbor, ME     is the Hartford, Connecticut of karaoke.
>  2 _DeKalb, IL           is the Hartford, Connecticut of GREAT burgers.
>  3 _Falcon Ridge, NY  is the Hartford, Connecticut of flash mobs.
>  4 _Pasco County, FL is the Hartford, Connecticut of "weird".
>  5 _Starkville, MS       is the Hartford, Connecticut of boboism.
>  6 _ St. Louis, MO     is the Hartford, Connecticut of chain coffee shops.
>  7 _Starkville, MS       is the Hartford, Connecticut of condos.
>  8 _BA, CA               is the Hartford, Connecticut of tiki-themed bars.
>  9 _ Philadelphia, PA  is the Hartford, Connecticut of blogging.
>10 _Louisville, KY       is the Hartford, Connecticut of body mod.

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When people speak of list giants, the name that always comes first to my
mind is Don Moore, the moral and spiritual leader of words-l in the early
90s, a man whose "Dawn Chronicles: A Necklace in Pearls," an important
fixture of the usenet era, should someday be anthologized.  Here is a golden
oldie from ten years ago today.  Note the perfect wholeness of the message,
so complete that no reply could be conceived:

From: Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078 (DBFABAK@CFRVM.BITNET)
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Well wife just called.  Said driver inspector wondered who taught Dawn
how to drive!  a.  kind of a leadfoot
               b.  didn't keep both hands on wheel
               c.  didn't always use blinkers (and argued she did)
               d.  backed up with mirrors only ...didn't turn and look
               e.  didn't pull car all way up in parking space (said car
                   was so short didn't need too).

but ....she got license :-(  .... so guess I taught her well ...see I said
she would do well in life!

                            Peace,
                                  Don

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02003-08-26 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >
> > 1 _Bar Harbor, ME     is the Hartford, Connecticut of karaoke.
> > 2 _DeKalb, IL           is the Hartford, Connecticut of GREAT burgers.
> > 3 _Falcon Ridge, NY  is the Hartford, Connecticut of flash mobs.
> > 4 _Pasco County, FL is the Hartford, Connecticut of "weird".
> > 5 _Starkville, MS       is the Hartford, Connecticut of boboism.
> > 6 _ St. Louis, MO     is the Hartford, Connecticut of chain coffee shops.
> > 7 _Starkville, MS       is the Hartford, Connecticut of condos.
> > 8 _BA, CA               is the Hartford, Connecticut of tiki-themed bars.
> > 9 _ Philadelphia, PA  is the Hartford, Connecticut of blogging.
> >10 _Louisville, KY       is the Hartford, Connecticut of body mod.

Almost exactly the answers I had in mind!

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Search Result 11
From: Marie Tomlinson (TOMLINMC@DUVM.BITNET)
Subject: Re: disappointed
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Date: 1993-08-26 06:34:22 PST


I spent a bit of time  travelling Europe in the summer of 1990 and my
favorite stop was Florence.  The food, the history, the art, DAVID, all
stage settings for a beautiful getaway.  But of course your not flying that
way.  Another beautiful place, as has been mentioned is Belgium, and there
I recommend the city of Brugges.  The safest, cleanest, friendliest, and
most architecturally beautiful in Europe.  A friend left his pack on the
street corner over night and apparently the only reason it was touched
was to move it from the path of pedestrians.  Otherwise it was untouched,
and being from Philadelphia, I found this remarkable.

Also, I flew into Frankfurt when I went to Europe and found Germany to be
beautiful, not boring at all.  Bavaria?  Heidelberg?

Marie Tomlinson
Drexel University

From: Louie Crew (lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu)
Subject: E-Directory of Lesbigay Scholars
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Date: 1993-08-26 20:19:24 PST


Sorry if this upsets you.  But when I post this here periodically,
I always end up connecting with someone who needs to be a part of this
project.

Quean Luti of the Alabama Belles/Louie

----------------------------------------------------
I have compiled an E-Mail Directory of Lesbigay Scholars, with now more
than 150 persons listed.  To be included, fill out the form below and
return it to me:

              lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu

Do NOT send by snail mail.

The E-Directory helps lesbigay scholars connect regarding on-going
manuscripts, conferences, and other scholarly projects.   I send
the Directory to all who agree to be listed, with updates individual
by individual.

I also make available to one e-mail address by which those listed
can post announcements of interest to the entire group.  But this is
not a discussion list per se--rather, a resource list.

Please share this announcement with any friends who might be interested
and with any other e-networks where forthright lesbigay scholars might
assemble qua scholars.

Thank you.

Louie Crew
Author/editor of _The Gay Academic_ and 950+ others
Co-founder of the Lesgay Caucus of the National Council of Teachers of
English
Founder of Integrity, the lesgay justice ministry of the Episcopal Church
Academic Foundations Department, Rutgers University/Newark
(Snail mail:   P. O. Box 30, Newark, NJ 07101)
============================================================================
                 Entry Form for E-Directory of Lesbigay Scholars
Name:

Institutional affiliation:
       Department:
       Position:
E-mail address(es):
Snail mail:
Phone(s)
FAX:

Citations of a sample of yr. previous lesbigay scholarly projects:

List/description of yr. on-going lesbigay scholarly projects:




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  lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu                                   201-485-4503
                   Preferred:  P. O. Box 30, Newark, NJ 07101

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I exchanged some email with Louie not too long ago.

Marty Rosen wrote:

> Search Result 11
> From: Marie Tomlinson (TOMLINMC@DUVM.BITNET)
> Subject: Re: disappointed
> View: Complete Thread (8 articles)
> Original Format
> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.words-l
> Date: 1993-08-26 06:34:22 PST
>
>
> I spent a bit of time  travelling Europe in the summer of 1990 and my
> favorite stop was Florence.  The food, the history, the art, DAVID, all
> stage settings for a beautiful getaway.  But of course your not flying that
> way.  Another beautiful place, as has been mentioned is Belgium, and there
> I recommend the city of Brugges.  The safest, cleanest, friendliest, and
> most architecturally beautiful in Europe.  A friend left his pack on the
> street corner over night and apparently the only reason it was touched
> was to move it from the path of pedestrians.  Otherwise it was untouched,
> and being from Philadelphia, I found this remarkable.
>
> Also, I flew into Frankfurt when I went to Europe and found Germany to be
> beautiful, not boring at all.  Bavaria?  Heidelberg?
>
> Marie Tomlinson
> Drexel University
>
> From: Louie Crew (lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu)
> Subject: E-Directory of Lesbigay Scholars
> View: Complete Thread (6 articles)
> Original Format
> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.words-l
> Date: 1993-08-26 20:19:24 PST
>
>
> Sorry if this upsets you.  But when I post this here periodically,
> I always end up connecting with someone who needs to be a part of this
> project.
>
> Quean Luti of the Alabama Belles/Louie
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> I have compiled an E-Mail Directory of Lesbigay Scholars, with now more
> than 150 persons listed.  To be included, fill out the form below and
> return it to me:
>
>              lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu
>
> Do NOT send by snail mail.
>
> The E-Directory helps lesbigay scholars connect regarding on-going
> manuscripts, conferences, and other scholarly projects.   I send
> the Directory to all who agree to be listed, with updates individual
> by individual.
>
> I also make available to one e-mail address by which those listed
> can post announcements of interest to the entire group.  But this is
> not a discussion list per se--rather, a resource list.
>
> Please share this announcement with any friends who might be interested
> and with any other e-networks where forthright lesbigay scholars might
> assemble qua scholars.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Louie Crew
> Author/editor of _The Gay Academic_ and 950+ others
> Co-founder of the Lesgay Caucus of the National Council of Teachers of
> English
> Founder of Integrity, the lesgay justice ministry of the Episcopal Church
> Academic Foundations Department, Rutgers University/Newark
> (Snail mail:   P. O. Box 30, Newark, NJ 07101)
> ============================================================================
>
>                 Entry Form for E-Directory of Lesbigay Scholars
> Name:
>
> Institutional affiliation:
>       Department:
>       Position:
> E-mail address(es):
> Snail mail:
> Phone(s)
> FAX:
>
> Citations of a sample of yr. previous lesbigay scholarly projects:
>
> List/description of yr. on-going lesbigay scholarly projects:
>
>
>
>
> --
>  ==========================================================================
>  Louie Crew, Academic Foundations Department, Rutgers University, NWK 07102
>  lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu                                   201-485-4503
>                   Preferred:  P. O. Box 30, Newark, NJ 07101
>
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On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

>I exchanged some email with Louie not too long ago.

So was Louie on wl?

Bethany

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On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

>>>I exchanged some email with Louie not too long ago.

>> So was Louie on wl?

> Yes.

1) Assuming that 'wl' means Words-L.
2) That's why it's a "Blast From the Past".

Karen

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On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> So was Louie on wl?
>
>Yes.

Ah, blasts from waaaaay back!

Bethany

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>(BTW spare me the descriptions of "disdainful intellectual
>poets" and reviewers whose own work is "incomprehensible"
>to the common man ... That makes it sound like poetry is
>some sort of tragic, noble be-bop, growing unpopular due
>to its own overly cerebral refinement. It's f***ing CRAP
>is what it is.)

Do you write poetry any more, Tushar?  I just went to your poetry page to
find an appropriate poem to copy here but all seemed too serious.

B

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Hard or soft are judgments along what continuum? Not texture, not
depth... WHAT???

Karen,
suffering from Brain Fry

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On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

>>I exchanged some email with Louie not too long ago.

> So was Louie on wl?

Yes.

Karen

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On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>> So was Louie on wl?
>>
>>Yes.

> Ah, blasts from waaaaay back!

Yep--back when I was still an academic.

Karen

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Excerpts from a New York Times account of the plan to inter "more than
12,000 remains" at the former World Trade Center site:

"Faced with the limitations of modern science, the medical examiner's office
has adopted an approach similar to one relied on thousands of years ago. The
remains are being slowly dried, and when they are free of moisture, they
will be vacuum-sealed individually in white opaque pouches, Mr. Ribowsky
said.

"This will relieve the memorial designers of having to include a
refrigeration or freezer system in their plans and will ultimately do a
better job of preserving the remains for future study, he said."

"Those remains would not have kept as well even if they were frozen," he
said. "We have gotten DNA from mummies that are 3,000 years old. Drying is a
great way to preserve things for a long period of time."

The goal of this project, of course, is to facilitate future identification
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Great report, Tony!  You need to report on them more often.

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>You didn't like Cledus T. Judd? You must not like the new Spike network,
>either. Faugh!
>
>--Adam
>adamh1@comcast.net

I think Cledus is working the folk circuit next year, with a big gig at Club
Passim.  His signature tune, for the unfamiliar, might be entitled "More
Beaver."  It rhymes, and has deeply animus toward the dignity of erasure and
the innocuousness of the heart:

Here it is:

I've been known to lay here
And watch TV all night
Flippin through the channels
But can't find the thing I like

What happened to my favorite shows
Where they went I'd like to know
But right now what I need most in my life's

More Beaver
Wally, Ward, and June
Them there Cleavers
Nothin' else'll do
Seinfeld's awful funny
Home Improvement's kind of cool
But what I'd really like to see
On my TV's
More Beaver

Now Nick At Nite done brought them good ol' shows back from the past
My Three Sons and Happy Days are here again at last

Them Technicolor, black and whites
I Dream Of Genie day and night
The only thing that I like more than M*A*S*H is

More Beaver
See him and Wally fight
"Why hello Mrs. Cleaver..."
Eddie Haskell's so polite
I've seen every episode
A hundred times or more I know,
One thing you can't get too much of in life's

More Beaver
That never hurt no one,
I've been watchin'
Ever since that I was young.
Now each night when I go to bed
I turn on the TV instead.
My wife will tell you just how much I love
More Beaver

(spoken)
Ladies and gentlemen Brad Paisley on lead guitar
Bet you can't play the pianer
That's why he's nominated for entertainer of the year
TALENT
I bet you $5 you can't play a fiddle
Uh...would you take $3.50...us sorry
Give me that guitar, I'll show you how to play it
YEAH
Thanks for showing me that lick there Fred...

More beaver
Y'all thought that I was done
Gonna keep on singing
I'm having too much fun
This here is just a silly song
And I hope that y'all don't take it wrong
Do you think I'm ever gonna get me some???

Me neither.

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> I exchanged some email with Louie not too long ago.

I haven't exchanged e-mail with him in a long time now, but I still get
a snail-mail birthday greeting from him every year.

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I think I might make some lemon cookies for my freshmen
during their orientation Thurs. morning.  Lemon cookies show
up in one of the novels we read, and I think it would make a
good ice breaker with the terrified little demons.

So, as is my habit, I do a google search.  I find many good
lemon cookie recipes, but every other hit is something about
shoving an egg and a lemon cookie up some guy's ass.  Now,
as you can imagine, I'm wondering how I could have missed
something so seminal on the internet that it brings up
dozens of hits.

Well, now that I know the story of the egg, the lemon
cookie, and the man's ass, Life is Good.

--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> So was Louie on wl?

Yes.  I don't think he was here all that long, though, was he?  I
remember him more from some of those early lists that were globbed
together under the general name "compserve" (unrelated to Compuserve).
He and I and somebody in California did an experiment with freshman comp
students using e-mail.  This was in the late '80s when there were still
students who had never even touched a computer.  It worked very well,
imho.  I think he published something about it somewhere.  I remember
going through boxes of junk in the rat-field attic of my building trying
to track down an address for one of my students from that class (which
had been four or five years earlier) to give to Louie so that he could
get her permission to quote from something she had written that
semester.  (Why info of that kind would have been in that attic, I can't
remember.  That story makes little sense.  But I do remember doing it.)

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> > > 3 _Falcon Ridge, NY  is the Hartford, Connecticut of flash mobs.

Ahem. Hillsdale.

--Adam
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I've been pondering the thought of going out in the woods to look at
Mars at the campus observatory between 9 and 10.  But it's kind of
cloudy.  I just sent e-mail to my astronomer friend asking him whether
it's too cloudy for me to bring my camera and take good pictures of
Martians going about their routines tonight.  I hope he checks his
e-mail soon and lets me know.  I hate the idea of going on an outing
that late at night.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> going through boxes of junk in the rat-field attic of my building trying

That was supposed to say rat-filled, but I kind of like rat-field.

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> I think Cledus is working the folk circuit next year, with a big
> gig at Club Passim.  His signature tune, for the unfamiliar, might be
entitled "More
> Beaver."  It rhymes, and has deeply animus toward the dignity of
> erasure and
> the innocuousness of the heart:

Oh, I'm sure. I heard that Voices on the Verge was going to open for him,
too.

This would go well with Adam Brodsky's "Diesel Dyke."

--Adam
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Ten years ago, today.

>From: "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU>

>Ah, blasts from waaaaay back!

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Gulp.
>
> > > > 3 _Falcon Ridge, NY  is the Hartford, Connecticut of flash mobs.
>
>Ahem. Hillsdale.
>
>--Adam
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Adam should have opened for the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band.  He told me there
was a great crowd at Bar Harbor.

>This would go well with Adam Brodsky's "Diesel Dyke."
>
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Okay: candy.


>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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>On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
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>
>Thanks for your support, as usual.
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> Hard or soft are judgments along what continuum? Not texture, not
> depth... WHAT???

Resistance?

--Adam
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Get a job.

>Hard or soft are judgments along what continuum? Not texture, not
>depth... WHAT???
>
>Karen,
>suffering from Brain Fry

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On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> Get a job.

Thanks for your support, as usual.

Karen

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On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> Hard or soft are judgments along what continuum? Not texture, not
>> depth... WHAT???

> Resistance?

Oooh, that's good...

Actually, it's so good, it helped me clarify what I was trying to say
and I reworded it. That's the best kind of help!

Karen

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How very retro.

>Okay: killfile.
>
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I have been trying to figure out whether I will be seen as <proselytizing>
if I say that I first met Louie over 30 years ago.

?

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On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> Okay: candy.

Okay: killfile.

Karen

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Also: core


>From: Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
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>
>Okay: candy.
>
>
>>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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>>
>>On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
>> > Get a job.
>>
>>Thanks for your support, as usual.
>>
>>Karen
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On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Well, now that I know the story of the egg, the lemon
> cookie, and the man's ass, Life is Good.

So what *IS* the story?

Karen

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It's the old continuum of hard and soft.....

>On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> > Well, now that I know the story of the egg, the lemon
> > cookie, and the man's ass, Life is Good.
>
>So what *IS* the story?
>
>Karen

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When I do something like search a name in RootsWeb World Connect and get
lots of hits, I naturally click on some of the hits.  If I click on one
and don't find anything interesting there, or even if I do find
something interesting, I then want to go back to look at some of the
other hits.  If I'm using IE, I get a message saying that the page has
expired, so I have to find my way back to square one and do the search
again.  That can get very laborious when there are lots of hits I want
to look at.  If I'm using Netscape 4.7, there's no problem.  I click on
a hit and look at the finding, then hit back to go back to the rest of
the hits.

I'm not going out to the woods to look at Mars.  All I see in the skies
is lightning bugs.  Not a hint of a star or planet.
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> It's been there since 1948 but I never noticed it
> until last year. It's the kind of place I might have
> walked by forever, but one day in a moment of
> brilliance, found magnetic. It's like walking into
> the past. Simple food, great burgers, grilled
> cheese, steamers, BLTs and the like. Good soups. And
> GREAT PIES. The entire room which isn't that big, is
> taken up by one square counter, with counterpeople
> in the middle. I don't think it's changed much in
> it's 55 years, and it's perfect just the way it is.
> Classic.

I don't know how we missed it, but obviously, we did.
Surflight is on Ingleside Ave., and the St. Rita Hotel
was to the beach side of the Theater.  Across the
street (across a vacant lot, that is) was the only
high rise building on LBI, the Baltimore Hotel.  We
went to see a jazz trio there once.  The building
burned down many years ago, and who knows what is in
its place now.

Do you have any memory of the "Lucy Evelyn"?

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On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> If I'm using IE, I get a message saying that the page has
> expired, so I have to find my way back to square one and do the search
> again.

All you have to do is refresh the page.

Karen

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I just thought of something else.  When I'm looking at online census
records, I sometimes get a little box on the screen if using IE telling
me that some file can't be found.  It doesn't happen all the time, just
often enough to be maddening since it means I can't see the census
record I want to see.  When it happens, I copy and paste the url for
that record into Netscape, where the little boxes never pop up.  I can
always see the census records if using NS 4.7.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> All you have to do is refresh the page.

I'll try that.  Thanks.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> I have been trying to figure out whether I will be seen as <proselytizing>
> if I say that I first met Louie over 30 years ago.
>
> ?

Why would that be proselytizing?  Do you think we would think you were
trying to lure us to your religion so we could meet people like Louie
earlier than we might otherwise?

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        With or without the pits?

Marty Rosen wrote:

> I don't know about that, but I plan to fling hard and soft avocados
> continuumly at your porch.
>
>> I have been trying to figure out whether I will be seen as
>> <proselytizing>
>> if I say that I first met Louie over 30 years ago.
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Bethany
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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>


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On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         With or without the pits?

There's a new variety from Costa Rica without pits.

> Marty Rosen wrote:

>> I don't know about that, but I plan to fling hard and soft avocados
>> continuumly at your porch.
>>
>>> I have been trying to figure out whether I will be seen as
>>> <proselytizing>
>>> if I say that I first met Louie over 30 years ago.
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Bethany
>>
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup
>>


> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita



Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> All you have to do is refresh the page.

Yes and no.  I hit refresh and got a box saying that it can't be
refreshed without resending the information and to hit retry to resend
it.  I did that, and it did work.  But that whole process was
time/effort-consuming and annoying.  It wouldn't be annoying if I
thought it was just something that <had to be>.  But the fact that
Netscape doesn't have the problem means that it must not have to be.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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I don't know about that, but I plan to fling hard and soft avocados
continuumly at your porch.

>I have been trying to figure out whether I will be seen as <proselytizing>
>if I say that I first met Louie over 30 years ago.
>
>?
>
>Bethany

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On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Yes and no.  I hit refresh and got a box saying that it can't be
> refreshed without resending the information and to hit retry to resend
> it.  I did that, and it did work.  But that whole process was
> time/effort-consuming and annoying.

After a while, you don't think about it any more.

Karen

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By jove, that is devilishly clever;  I think she's nailed it;
>
>Why would that be proselytizing?  Do you think we would think you were
>trying to lure us to your religion so we could meet people like Louie
>earlier than we might otherwise?
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Is there any activity to which this doesn't apply?

>After a while, you don't think about it any more.
>
>Karen

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On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         You'll just have to google "lemon cookie" yourself.

No, thanks.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        With or without the pits?
>>
>
> There's a new variety from Costa Rica without pits.


        Does that make them a vegetable?


>
>>Marty Rosen wrote:
>>
>
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>>>continuumly at your porch.
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have been trying to figure out whether I will be seen as
>>>><proselytizing>
>>>>if I say that I first met Louie over 30 years ago.
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>Bethany
>>>>
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>
>
>>--
>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>>
>
>
>
> Karen
>
>


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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Well, now that I know the story of the egg, the lemon
>>cookie, and the man's ass, Life is Good.
>>
>
> So what *IS* the story?


        You'll just have to google "lemon cookie" yourself.




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On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> There's a new variety from Costa Rica without pits.


>         Does that make them a vegetable?

No, they are still the most nutritious fruit.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>>There's a new variety from Costa Rica without pits.
>>>
>
>
>>        Does that make them a vegetable?
>>
>
> No, they are still the most nutritious fruit.


        Then I'm glad Marty will be gifting them to Bethany.




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I think passive-aggressive behavior transcends geography.

Terry Wild wrote:

> --On Saturday, August 23, 2003 7:28 AM -0400 bonniev <bonniev@GWI.NET>
> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps you have had to live in the South in order to see the
>> difference.  I certainly see it.  Take phone calls, for example.  A
>> Yankee
>> will generally get to the point of why he called in the first three
>> sentences of the phone call.  A Southerner might talk for 15 minutes
>> before the point of the call is broached.
>
>
>
> I readily admit limited Southern culture exposure.  I've spent very very
> little time down there and although I do encounter some people at URI from
> the south, there just is not a lot of interaction. I can see from your post
> the difference.
>
> I can understand and even enjoy a little friendly banter, but I've gotten
> the impression that sometimes the Southern way of polite banter is
> disingenuous. In your example at the Inn, I would find the key question
> quite maddening.  The lemonade question, even if used only to create
> contact, could be perfectly plausible.  There is enough doubt as to whether
> the person knows/doesn't know the answer.  The key questions strikes me as
> stupid.
>
> A striking Yankee non-assertive, or reserve behavior, comes in regards to
> emotional or behavioral issues.  This could just be localized to the area
> I'm in, but is rampant in all sides of my family.  They don't tell you what
> they don't approve of, you just know they are displeased.  It is left as an
> exercise for the displeaser to figure it out.  I'm sure this is more of
> what I base my idea of non-assertive  behavior on.
>
> Terry
>


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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> I think passive-aggressive behavior transcends geography.

What exactly is passive-aggressive behavior?  I read Terry's posting
again to find it, but I didn't see anything that fit with what I had
always thought it meant -- something like doing mean things to somebody
while acting as if they weren't mean.  Is it the part at the end about
not telling you what they disapprove of but letting you know they're
displeased?

> Terry Wild wrote:
>
> > --On Saturday, August 23, 2003 7:28 AM -0400 bonniev <bonniev@GWI.NET>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Perhaps you have had to live in the South in order to see the
> >> difference.  I certainly see it.  Take phone calls, for example.  A
> >> Yankee
> >> will generally get to the point of why he called in the first three
> >> sentences of the phone call.  A Southerner might talk for 15 minutes
> >> before the point of the call is broached.
> >
> >
> >
> > I readily admit limited Southern culture exposure.  I've spent very very
> > little time down there and although I do encounter some people at URI from
> > the south, there just is not a lot of interaction. I can see from your post
> > the difference.
> >
> > I can understand and even enjoy a little friendly banter, but I've gotten
> > the impression that sometimes the Southern way of polite banter is
> > disingenuous. In your example at the Inn, I would find the key question
> > quite maddening.  The lemonade question, even if used only to create
> > contact, could be perfectly plausible.  There is enough doubt as to whether
> > the person knows/doesn't know the answer.  The key questions strikes me as
> > stupid.
> >
> > A striking Yankee non-assertive, or reserve behavior, comes in regards to
> > emotional or behavioral issues.  This could just be localized to the area
> > I'm in, but is rampant in all sides of my family.  They don't tell you what
> > they don't approve of, you just know they are displeased.  It is left as an
> > exercise for the displeaser to figure it out.  I'm sure this is more of
> > what I base my idea of non-assertive  behavior on.
> >
> > Terry
> >
>
> --
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> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Somehow some death records seem to be mixed in with the 1850 census
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Effey McCollum did.  They both died.
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Nike gave the Oregon football team some kind of cooling apparatus for
this weekend's game and didn't offer the same to MSU until our coach
found out about it and complained.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2003/football/ncaa/08/26/bc.fbc.missst.nike.ap/

But now it's time to go to bed and dream of Martians slithering through
the skies.

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On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Nike gave the Oregon football team some kind of cooling apparatus for
> this weekend's game and didn't offer the same to MSU until our coach
> found out about it and complained.

But isn't Nike an Oregon company?

Karen

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On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> I have been trying to figure out whether I will be seen as <proselytizing>
>> if I say that I first met Louie over 30 years ago.
>>
>> ?
>
>Why would that be proselytizing?

I don't know. As I said, I have been trying to figure it out.

>Do you think we would think you were>trying to lure us to your religion
so we could meet people like Louie >earlier than we might otherwise?

Could be.

Bethany

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At 09:06 PM 8/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >         You'll just have to google "lemon cookie" yourself.
>
>No, thanks.
Lemon bars are the best.

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On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> <http://www.business-standard.com/archives/2003/jan/50310103.016.asp>

> "HCL eServe has put in place a team of 75 people to work on the project out
> of its call centres in Noida and Gurgaon. According to industry sources,
> the number of seats could be ramped up depending on the success of the
> campaign. These operators are required to call up people in the US seeking
> their support for President George W Bush and a donation for the Republican
> cause."

Is this a joke?

Karen

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> At 09:06 PM 8/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> > >         You'll just have to google "lemon cookie" yourself.
> >
> >No, thanks.
> Lemon bars are the best.

Lemon bars rule.

      - D. M.

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Karen Kay writes,

>Is this a joke?

Dunno.

First, note that the Business Standard article is from January.

In February, the Republican National Committee said the story was wrong:

<http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030218-061324-3365r>

>The Republican National Committee, through spokesman Kevin Sheridan,
>completely denies the allegation, telling UPI, "Any report that the
>Republican National Committee has hired HCL eServe -- the firm mentioned
>in the original Business Standard article -- is a case of bad reporting,
>bad business practices or both. The RNC has no affiliation with HCL. Any
>inference to the contrary is flat out wrong. The RNC has informed both HCL
>and rediff.com of the inaccuracy of this report."

<http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/TheNote_Feb6.html>

>Kevin Sheridan, spokesman for the Republican National Committee, tells
>Inside the Beltway that the national party has in no way, shape or form
>enlisted the Indian company to conduct fund raising in the name of Mr.
>Bush or any other nationally elected Republican in Washington. 'Who are
>these Republicans?' he asks. 'They are saying they are fund raising for
>Republicans, but we (the RNC) don't know who these Republicans are. It's
>certainly not the Republican National Committee. And I will add that we
>don't appreciate the inference.'

I don't know what happened after that.

Pete

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Karen Kay wrote:

> But isn't Nike an Oregon company?

According to the article, Nike is based in Oregon.  But I would call it
a national company, not a local one.  I'm not sure that it would be a
very good idea for big companies to get into favoring their own states
-- like say NW Airlines offers free transportation to Michigan football
teams but not to their opponents or Bill Gates invents some kind of
computer device to give a team an advantage and offers it to the
Washington team but not to the opponent, etc.  The article said that MSU
also has a "contract with Nike," whatever that means.

The article said that the Oregon coach seemed surprised when learning
that the teams had not been treated equally and that Nike quickly made
the offer to MSU.  The problem with that was that whatever these devices
are won't arrive here until Friday, meaning that the team would have to
wear them for the first time on game day, which of course they won't
do.

I hadn't realized until reading this article that it was ESPN's fault
that the game is going to be at night -- that it had originally been
scheduled as an afternoon game.  It's sad and funny how our side has to
hope for little things like hot weather in order to have the chance of
maybe making a touchdown.  Football skills?  Too much to hope for this
year.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> very good idea for big companies to get into favoring their own states
> -- like say NW Airlines offers free transportation to Michigan football
> teams but not to their opponents or Bill Gates invents some kind of

The free-transportation example probably isn't a very good one.  The
main point about this Nike deal is that it is something that presumably
would directly affect performance in a game and that was not yet for
sale.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Adam Hartfield <adamh1@COMCAST.NET>
Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:12 pm
Subject: Re: Need help with a word...

> > Hard or soft are judgments along what continuum? Not texture, not
> > depth... WHAT???
>
> Resistance?

Solidity?

Marie

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Where's my 10 year anniversary pen?

Marie

----- Original Message -----
From: Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 7:44 pm
Subject: Two other blasts from the past

> Search Result 11
> From: Marie Tomlinson (TOMLINMC@DUVM.BITNET)
> Subject: Re: disappointed
> View: Complete Thread (8 articles)
> Original Format
> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.words-l
> Date: 1993-08-26 06:34:22 PST
>
>
> I spent a bit of time  travelling Europe in the summer of 1990 and my
> favorite stop was Florence.  The food, the history, the art,
> DAVID, all
> stage settings for a beautiful getaway.  But of course your not
> flying that
> way.  Another beautiful place, as has been mentioned is Belgium,
> and there
> I recommend the city of Brugges.  The safest, cleanest,
> friendliest, and
> most architecturally beautiful in Europe.  A friend left his pack
> on the
> street corner over night and apparently the only reason it was touched
> was to move it from the path of pedestrians.  Otherwise it was
> untouched,and being from Philadelphia, I found this remarkable.
>
> Also, I flew into Frankfurt when I went to Europe and found
> Germany to be
> beautiful, not boring at all.  Bavaria?  Heidelberg?
>
> Marie Tomlinson
> Drexel University
>
> From: Louie Crew (lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu)
> Subject: E-Directory of Lesbigay Scholars
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>
> Sorry if this upsets you.  But when I post this here periodically,
> I always end up connecting with someone who needs to be a part of this
> project.
>
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>
> ----------------------------------------------------
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> below and
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>
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> Do NOT send by snail mail.
>
> The E-Directory helps lesbigay scholars connect regarding on-going
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> the Directory to all who agree to be listed, with updates individual
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>
> Please share this announcement with any friends who might be
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>
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>
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> Do you have any memory of the "Lucy Evelyn"?

Nope. No clue. Sounds like a boat?

Marie

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On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
> Don't they have a customer service desk?

They must. I don't know where it is.

> I swear, if this impatient Yankee was waiting in line and someone
> came to the register, asking for the location of something, and the
> cashier went running off to find it for her, I'd just drop my basket
> right there and walk out.

I don't expect them to go run off to find it for me; I just expect
them to tell me where it is.

Karen

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Are you implying it should have been: all of the above?

Don't they have a customer service desk? I swear, if this impatient Yankee was waiting in line and someone came to the register, asking for the location of something, and the cashier went running off to find it for her, I'd just drop my basket right there and walk out.

Marie

----- Original Message -----
From: Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 3:02 pm
Subject: Re: DNA

> Could you be precise regarding the nature of your intended "or"?
>
> Marie:
> I am led to believe that: a) she is lying; b) she is blind; or c)
> she just
> really likes to annoy the people that are waiting in line by
> butting up to
> the front to ask her question.
> >
> >Marie
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Rita Leonard <leonard@BC.EDU>
> >Date: Monday, August 25, 2003 7:39 pm
> >Subject: Re: DNA
> >
> > > I have got to move to Austin!   In the grocery store here in
> > > Littleton,Massachusetts, I swear that it is policy to block as
> > > many aisles as
> > > possible with cartons and "persons" for restocking during business
> > > hours.   One has to traverse the entire store twice to get
> > > everything on
> > > the shopping list most days.
> > >
> > > Rita L.
> > >
> > > Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > >
> > > >Karen Kay wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>>You don't have people wandering around wearing your grocery
> store's> > >>>nametag -- restocking shelves, etc?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>No. I've heard of these, of course, but never seen one. Oh,
> > > except at
> > > >>Walmart, which isn't a grocery store, per se.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >Do they do things like restocking at weird times?  I don't
> > > remember ever
> > > >having been in a grocery store that didn't have wandering
> employees> > >fooling with stuff on shelves or sometimes just sort
> of wandering
> > > >around.
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > > -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Adam Hartfield <adamh1@COMCAST.NET>
> Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:12 pm
> Subject: Re: Need help with a word...

>> > Hard or soft are judgments along what continuum? Not texture, not
>> > depth... WHAT???
>>
>> Resistance?

> Solidity?

Yes, like that. Thank you.

Karen

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>What exactly is passive-aggressive behavior?
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)



To be diagnosed with this disorder, individuals must meet the general
criteria of a personality disorder and at least five of the following:
procrastination and delay in completing essential tasks -- particularly
those that others seek to have completed; unjustified protests that others
make unreasonable demands; sulkiness, irritability or argumentativeness
when asked to do something that the individual does not want to do;
unreasonable criticism or scorn for authority figures; deliberately slow or
poor work on unwanted tasks; obstruction of the efforts of others even as
these individuals fail to do their share of the work; and avoidance of
obligations by claiming to have forgotten them

from:http://www.toad.net/~arcturus/dd/papd.htm#1


bonnie

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I was just thinking about how webby we've become.  I was looking
at some paper junk-mail that came to my office mailbox, noticed
an ad/description for/of American Tongues, thought I should
perhaps type it into a Words-L posting, then realized that was
silly when I could instead google for the vendor's website.
Did that.  Found what was in the catalogue:

http://www.insight-media.com/IMListProd.asp?sItem=00584&sWord=american+tongues&sMode=T

If that's too long for some of you:

http://tinyurl.com/lcb7

Have I already mentioned that another advantage of Netscape (4.7)
over IE is being able to open frames in new windows in order to
copy and paste urls?  E.g., yesterday(?) I would have had to send
the main Daily Yomiuri page instead of the specific crime articles
if I had been using IE.  And today I would've had to send the
whole catalogue instead of just the American Tongues blurb.

   --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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> >Is this a joke?
>
> Dunno.
>
> First, note that the Business Standard article is
> from January.

> >The Republican National Committee, through
> spokesman Kevin Sheridan,
> >completely denies the allegation, telling UPI, "Any
> report that the
> >Republican National Committee has hired HCL eServe
> -- the firm mentioned
> >in the original Business Standard article -- is a
> case of bad reporting,
> >bad business practices or both. The RNC has no
> affiliation with HCL. Any
> >inference to the contrary is flat out wrong. The
> RNC has informed both HCL
> >and rediff.com of the inaccuracy of this report."
>
>
<http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/TheNote_Feb6.html>
>
> >Kevin Sheridan, spokesman for the Republican
> National Committee, tells
> >Inside the Beltway that the national party has in
> >no way, shape or form.
> >enlisted the Indian company to conduct fund raising
> I don't know what happened after that.
>
> Pete

So what is the point in bringing to our attention an
article that is seven months old, and probably was
untrue when first written?


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>> Do you have any memory of the "Lucy Evelyn"?
>
>Nope. No clue. Sounds like a boat?

I remember it from early childhood--a derelict coasting
schooner washed ashore in a hurricane and turned into a
gift shop.

I was a lifeguard in Ship Bottom and Surf City in '64 and '65;
I think it was gone by then.

/Jim
>
>Marie

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> Nope. No clue. Sounds like a boat?


Yes, she was schooner purposely bought for the purpose
of beaching her on LBI.  The site was probably just a
bit north of BH.  She made a wonderful photo op for
summer fold, but her true calling in this afterlife
was to serve as one of the most expensive gift shops
I've ever seen.  For a small fee, you could tour
topside and below deck to observe how the ship was
sailed by only six men.

She was a fire-trap, and eventually shared the fate of
the Baltimore Hotel.  There was, at one time, talk of
replacing her with another schooner.  Idle talk, it
would seem.

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The pop-up ads are talking now.  Like to scared me to death.

          - D. M.

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On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> The pop-up ads are talking now.  Like to scared me to death.

Sometimes they sing.

Karen

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Well, I suppose I me be accused of asking an implicative question, but yes.

>From: Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET>

>Are you implying it should have been: all of the above?

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02003-08-26 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Here it is:
>
> I've been known to lay here
> And watch TV all night
> Flippin through the channels
> But can't find the thing I like
>
> What happened to my favorite shows
> Where they went I'd like to know
> But right now what I need most in my life's
>
> More Beaver
> Wally, Ward, and June
> Them there Cleavers
> Nothin' else'll do
> Seinfeld's awful funny
> Home Improvement's kind of cool
> But what I'd really like to see
> On my TV's
> More Beaver

I don't understand the objection ... Isn't this at least
as clever as Dan Bern?

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02003-08-26 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >(BTW spare me the descriptions of "disdainful intellectual
> >poets" and reviewers whose own work is "incomprehensible"
> >to the common man ... That makes it sound like poetry is
> >some sort of tragic, noble be-bop, growing unpopular due
> >to its own overly cerebral refinement. It's f***ing CRAP
> >is what it is.)
>
> Do you write poetry any more, Tushar?  I just went to your poetry page to
> find an appropriate poem to copy here but all seemed too serious.

Er ... I am "between poems" heh heh ...

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02003-08-26 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> "Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >
> > I have been trying to figure out whether I will be seen as <proselytizing>
> > if I say that I first met Louie over 30 years ago.
> >
> > ?
>
> Why would that be proselytizing?

Oh spare me the fake innocence ... It would be proselytizing,
and Dr Dumas really ought to cut it out.

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02003-08-27 | bonniev <bonniev@GWI.NET> writes:
> >What exactly is passive-aggressive behavior?
> > -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>
>
> To be diagnosed with this disorder, individuals must meet the general
> criteria of a personality disorder and at least five of the following:
> procrastination and delay in completing essential tasks -- particularly
> those that others seek to have completed; unjustified protests that others
> make unreasonable demands; sulkiness, irritability or argumentativeness
> when asked to do something that the individual does not want to do;
> unreasonable criticism or scorn for authority figures; deliberately slow or
> poor work on unwanted tasks; obstruction of the efforts of others even as
> these individuals fail to do their share of the work; and avoidance of
> obligations by claiming to have forgotten them
>
> from:http://www.toad.net/~arcturus/dd/papd.htm#1

No advertisment of the suffering the work is causing them? I'd have
thought that was #1 ...

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02003-08-26 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> When I do something like search a name in RootsWeb World Connect and get
> lots of hits, I naturally click on some of the hits.  If I click on one
> and don't find anything interesting there, or even if I do find
> something interesting, I then want to go back to look at some of the
> other hits.  If I'm using IE, I get a message saying that the page has
> expired, so I have to find my way back to square one and do the search
> again.  That can get very laborious when there are lots of hits I want
> to look at.  If I'm using Netscape 4.7, there's no problem.  I click on
> a hit and look at the finding, then hit back to go back to the rest of
> the hits.

I suspect Rootsweb is badly programmed, and Netscape cancels it out
with its own badness. But this is how deadwood collects in the world
anyway ...

Get Mozilla "FireBird". It will conquer the badness with goodness.

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02003-08-26 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> After a while, you don't think about it any more.

That's what HITLER counted on!

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02003-08-27 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> In February, the Republican National Committee said the story was wrong:

Oh. I was just about to send them $500 ...

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I wish teachers weren't so freaking dramatic. Every time I
saw some new teacher come in with a lemon cookie tray, and
then meaningfully set down a couple of eggs on it, I was
like, "I get the message, OK"? Yeah, we 'baheaved'...

It's like putting a soda can on the table so the homemade
label ("Whoopass") shows. Sheeeit

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02003-08-26 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Hard or soft are judgments along what continuum? Not texture, not
> depth... WHAT???

Porn.

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Is there butter on the table?

Karen

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From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
> > Don't they have a customer service desk?
>
> They must. I don't know where it is.

Maybe you should go butt up at the register and ask.

Marie

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Depends on what's for dinner but, generally, the answer is yes.

Rita L.
 |  On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:19:30 -0500
 |  Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
 |  Is there butter on the table?
 |
 |  Karen

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On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
> From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>> On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
>> > Don't they have a customer service desk?
>>
>> They must. I don't know where it is.

> Maybe you should go butt up at the register and ask.

Why?

Oh, wait, I know where it is... I remember going there to return
Parmalat milk that was sour. They didn't even know that they carried
this product. I had to show them where it was on the shelf, and that
all the boxes were two months past their use-by date.

Karen

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On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, Rita Leonard wrote:
> Depends on what's for dinner but, generally, the answer is yes.

Bless you, Rita, for a straightforward answer.

Karen

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Lynne Weber writes,

>So what is the point in bringing to our attention an article that is seven
>months old, and probably was untrue when first written?

The story is making the rounds again, it's interesting in different ways to
some of the people here, and it seems improbable that it's untrue.  The RNC
refutation was specific to the RNC, not inclusive.

Do you think posts to Words-L need to have a point?

Pete

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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> Is there butter on the table?
>
> Karen

My parents' table:  always.
My table:  sometimes.

Ann

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One conversation I remember from '91 or so ... between two of
my new nerd friends: "I hate it when somebody takes all ^%$$#@
day at the table to butter their bread".

The second nerd, in a prissy voice: "Tell them they are being
RUDE".

(me: this country is weirder than Japan)

Later, I realized that only one in 300 people is like the second
guy.

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02003-08-27 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> Lynne Weber writes,
>
> >So what is the point in bringing to our attention an article that is seven
> >months old, and probably was untrue when first written?
>
> The story is making the rounds again, it's interesting in different ways to
> some of the people here, and it seems improbable that it's untrue.  The RNC
> refutation was specific to the RNC, not inclusive.
>
> Do you think posts to Words-L need to have a point?

Repeatedly saying it's NOTHING to do with the *RNC* seems
to have become a popular tactic ... Not the specific thing
but the pattern, I mean. Let's spend a lifetime pinpointing
where the hypocrisy precisely lies.

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Depends on what's for dinner but, generally, the answer is no.  Nor is
there generally bread on the table.  Even when there is butter or a butter
substitute, I don't use it.  I do, however, partake of both bread and
butter when in a restaurant.


>Depends on what's for dinner but, generally, the answer is yes.
>Rita L.
>
>  |  Is there butter on the table?
>  |  Karen

bonnie

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> Is there butter on the table?

Very rarely. The only things I can think of offhand that require butter are baked potatoes and bread, both of which are (unfortunately) infrequently on the menu.

Marie

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> She was a fire-trap, and eventually shared the fate of
> the Baltimore Hotel.  There was, at one time, talk of
> replacing her with another schooner.  Idle talk, it
> would seem.

What years are you talking here, Lynne?

Marie

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From: Jim Bradley <jimb@URIACC.URI.EDU>
> >> Do you have any memory of the "Lucy Evelyn"?
> >
> >Nope. No clue. Sounds like a boat?
>
> I remember it from early childhood--a derelict coasting
> schooner washed ashore in a hurricane and turned into a
> gift shop.
>
> I was a lifeguard in Ship Bottom and Surf City in '64 and '65;
> I think it was gone by then.

The things you learn about people! I was a lifeguard, too, but never an <ocean lifeguard>. BTW, I was just thinking about you on Sunday. Finally really organizing all the scraps of paper I have that have recipes on them into a binder with sheet covers. One was Jimmy's Turkey Shepherd's Pie. I'm determined to make it after this Thanksgiving dinner. You must be so proud of your boy -- he's like Page Six material these days!

Anyway, given what you say above, the Lucy Evelyn predates my birth.

Marie

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By the way, I'm chewing on a James' Salt Water Taffy <right now>!

That would be "chewy" on the soft-hard candy continuum.

Marie

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In a message dated 8/27/2003 11:19:59 AM Central Daylight Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
<<
Is there butter on the table?

>>

There's margarine on the counter.  At my place, the only one who
eats at the table is Sweetie (it's high enough that Daisy, who prefers
Sweetie's food to her own, cannot get her).

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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Roger Smith

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http://www.oattravel.com/oat/dimages/gallery_image_50.jpg

That's one of the pictures at this site I just visited:
http://www.oattravel.com/oat/general/default.aspx?oid=21925#

I visited it because I was walking back from the p.o. looking
at a brochure I'd gotten from Overseas Adventure Travel, whose
mailing list I think I got on when entering some kind of win-
a-trip contest.  Anyway, I was reading about a trip we could
all take to not only Namibia but also Botswana and Zimbabwe.
If we go Dec. 15, we can do it for a mere $3990.
   --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> http://www.oattravel.com/oat/dimages/gallery_image_50.jpg

But you can't see the stripes! That's the whole point.

There are better zebra pictures than this on the web. Including zebra
rumps.

Karen

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> Is there butter on the table?
>
> Karen

Always, but not always used.

Terry

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Betty wrote:

> At 09:06 PM 8/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>> >         You'll just have to google "lemon cookie" yourself.
>>
>> No, thanks.
>
> Lemon bars are the best.


        That's what I made for the staff potluck today.




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At 04:25 PM 8/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
>>At 09:06 PM 8/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>>On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>> >         You'll just have to google "lemon cookie" yourself.
>>>
>>>No, thanks.
>>
>>Lemon bars are the best.
>
>
>        That's what I made for the staff potluck today.

Any left overs?  We went to here for lunch
today:  http://www.claremontresort.com/default.asp
Our lab manager's last week.  We had a wonderful butterscotch brulee for
dessert.  I could get used to two hour lunches.

Betty

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--- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> Is there butter on the table?
>
> Karen

Not unless there is something else on the table that
requires buttering.


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> --- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> > Is there butter on the table?
> >
> > Karen

Why do you ask, Karen?

Ann

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On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
> Any left overs?  We went to here for lunch
> today:  http://www.claremontresort.com/default.asp

I spent part of my childhood right down the hill from there.

Karen

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On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>> --- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
>> > Is there butter on the table?
>> >
>> > Karen

> Why do you ask, Karen?

I hope to be able to tell you later this week.

Karen

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> The story is making the rounds again, it's
> interesting in different ways to
> some of the people here, and it seems improbable
> that it's untrue.  The RNC
> refutation was specific to the RNC, not inclusive.
>
> Do you think posts to Words-L need to have a point?

No, only T.S. believes profoundly in points.  It would
seem, though, that there are plenty of substantial
matters on which the RNC can be taken to task.  This
really seems doubtful to me, because it simply does
not make sense.

But thank you for keeping us informed.:-]

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> Oh, wait, I know where it is... I remember going
> there to return
> Parmalat milk that was sour. They didn't even know
> that they carried
> this product. I had to show them where it was on the
> shelf, and that
> all the boxes were two months past their use-by
> date.

I really don't think I'd continue to shop there.
Didn't know they carried the product?  Perhaps someone
came in off the street and put it there.

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> What years are you talking here, Lynne?

Circia 1957 - 1964.  I moved to Alabama in 1964.

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On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> I really don't think I'd continue to shop there.

Its virtue is that it's close.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Is there butter on the table?

What table?  There's no butter in my sink.  Actually, I don't think
there's butter on my table when I have dinner guests.  The bread I serve
is always a loaf of French or Italian or whatever that I've sliced and
stuck globs of butter between the slices of and then warmed.  So there's
no need for butter on the table.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> There are better zebra pictures than this on the
> web. Including zebra
> rumps.

I'm beginning to think that zebras' butts, like
balloonery hats, is one of your weaknesses.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > http://www.oattravel.com/oat/dimages/gallery_image_50.jpg
>
> But you can't see the stripes! That's the whole point.

I saw the stripes.  I didn't realize until after I had sent those two
urls, btw, that they were redundant in regard to the zebras.  The
original page I'd looked at didn't have the zebras.  I saw it by
clicking on the "more" under whichever picture was there.  But when I
copied the url, it was that one that I had gone to that had zebras.

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At 05:23 PM 8/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
> > Any left overs?  We went to here for lunch
> > today:  http://www.claremontresort.com/default.asp
>
>I spent part of my childhood right down the hill from there.

Lorinda and Kevin spent their wedding night there.  (At the Claremont, not
right down the hill.)

Betty

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Betty Clark wrote:

> Any left overs?  We went to here for lunch
> today:  http://www.claremontresort.com/default.asp

Did you eat on the tennis court or in the bathtub or beside the bridge?

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On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> There are better zebra pictures than this on the
>> web. Including zebra
>> rumps.

> I'm beginning to think that zebras' butts, like
> balloonery hats, is one of your weaknesses.

I don't think baloonery hats is a weakness. I have a weakness for
anything given to me with love.

As for zebra butts, they are interesting because of how the stripes
go, and stripes is what I'm interestedin for the socks I'm designing.

And thank you for reminding me--I have to search my e-mail to find out
how long to make the lacy socks for ma soeur.

Karen

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On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
> Lorinda and Kevin spent their wedding night there.  (At the Claremont, not
> right down the hill.)

It used to be such a wonderful neighborhood. I remember taking a taxi
from Oakland airport early early one morning and everything was foggy
and wonderful, and the Claremont looked like some island villa.

Karen

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Forget Mars.  Saturn will make a mark on your inner self:

http://www.lestrade.com/Observatory/observatory.html

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Lynne Weber writes,

>This really seems doubtful to me, because it simply does not make sense.

How about young Indians being trained to convince Americans that abortions
are no good:

<http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/bline/2002/05/30/stories/2002053001671400.htm>

or

<http://tinyurl.com/ldcm>

That seems to be the campaign that paved the way for the purported
Republican fund-raising campaign.

Pete

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At 05:53 PM 8/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Betty Clark wrote:
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> > Any left overs?  We went to here for lunch
> > today:  http://www.claremontresort.com/default.asp
>
>Did you eat on the tennis court or in the bathtub or beside the bridge?

Click on dining. We ate in the Paragon Bar and Cafe. We sat outside and had
a wonderful view. Do you want me to send you a photo?

Betty

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On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, Betty wrote:
[about the Claremont]
> It still looks pretty majestic.

It got to be quite shabby during the 70's. I think it was sold to new
owners in the 80's, because everything was totally refurbished. By
that time, my grandmother had sold her house and moved to Moraga. I do
remember one memorable walk I took up there with an old
boyfriend--that was in 1980, I think.

Karen

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At 08:19 PM 8/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> > It got to be quite shabby during the 70's. I think it was sold to new
> > owners in the 80's, because everything was totally refurbished. By
> > that time, my grandmother had sold her house and moved to Moraga. I do
> > remember one memorable walk I took up there with an old
> > boyfriend--that was in 1980, I think.
>
>Thank you for helping me to remember these stories, Betty. I saw my
>first rattlesnake ever not far from the Claremont.

Oh, dear.  They weren't even on the menu.

Lorinda and Kevin checked in wearing their wedding attire. Kevin's best man
stopped by and  picked up his rented tux and shoes.  Kevin didn't have any
other shoes packed with him.

Betty

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On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, Betty wrote:
>>Thank you for helping me to remember these stories, Betty. I saw my
>>first rattlesnake ever not far from the Claremont.

> Oh, dear.  They weren't even on the menu.

Um, no. This was at day camp.

> Lorinda and Kevin checked in wearing their wedding attire. Kevin's best man
> stopped by and  picked up his rented tux and shoes.  Kevin didn't have any
> other shoes packed with him.

I guess Kevin is a redneck.:)

Karen

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At 05:55 PM 8/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
> > Lorinda and Kevin spent their wedding night there.  (At the Claremont, not
> > right down the hill.)
>
>It used to be such a wonderful neighborhood. I remember taking a taxi
>from Oakland airport early early one morning and everything was foggy
>and wonderful, and the Claremont looked like some island villa.
>
>Karen

It still looks pretty majestic.

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On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> It got to be quite shabby during the 70's. I think it was sold to new
> owners in the 80's, because everything was totally refurbished. By
> that time, my grandmother had sold her house and moved to Moraga. I do
> remember one memorable walk I took up there with an old
> boyfriend--that was in 1980, I think.

Thank you for helping me to remember these stories, Betty. I saw my
first rattlesnake ever not far from the Claremont.

Karen

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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>> > I have been trying to figure out whether I will be seen as <proselytizing>
>> > if I say that I first met Louie over 30 years ago.
>> >
>> > ?
>>
>> Why would that be proselytizing?
>
>Oh spare me the fake innocence ... It would be proselytizing,
>and Dr Dumas really ought to cut it out.

Ah, the master speaks!

Bethany

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Betty wrote:

> >Did you eat on the tennis court or in the bathtub or beside the bridge?
>
> Click on dining. We ate in the Paragon Bar and Cafe. We sat outside and had
> a wonderful view. Do you want me to send you a photo?

I hadn't noticed those clickables at the top.  I thought the whole thing
was the tennis court, the bathtub, and the GG Bridge nearby.  I just
went back and saw that indeed there is dining.  But of course I'd rather
see your picture than theirs.

I just watched a good movie on tv about a little boy who accidentally
shot his brother and turned into a stone boy for a good while but began
recovering when he sat by a flower-child-looking young woman and her
baby on a bus from Reno and told her that he had killed Eugene.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Betty wrote:

> Lorinda and Kevin checked in wearing their wedding attire. Kevin's best man
> stopped by and  picked up his rented tux and shoes.  Kevin didn't have any
> other shoes packed with him.

And you were wearing my bra, right?  I just remembered.  But it was
yours then.

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Just blogged[1] this:

Traditional Republican and political communications strategist Michael
Cudahy[2] writes,

"Like the people who are worried by the policies of the current
administration, I too am concerned as to what would happen were Bush/Cheney
or more accurately Cheney/Bush and Karl Rove got their way for another four
years. It is of grave concern to my wife and it is the reason she has
encouraged me to return to the business -- because she believes there are
tools and relationships I can bring to the fight that can help Howard Dean
become the next president of the United States." (via Greater Democracy[3])

It's a good read, and Cudahy makes the point well that those who would see
Howard Dean replace George Bush must put aside differences, even partisan
ones, and work together to make it happen.

[1] http://www.istori.com/log/archives/00000291.html
[2] http://stratfocuscommunications.com/principals.htm
[3] http://www.greaterdemocracy.org/2003_08_01_gd.html#106203463665230544

Pete

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On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I hadn't noticed those clickables at the top.  I thought the whole thing
> was the tennis court, the bathtub, and the GG Bridge nearby.

The GG bridge is a looooooooong way from the Claremont.

Karen

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> Is there butter on the table?
>
> Karen

Only if I'm having vegetables onto which a portion of said butter will be
applied.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > I hadn't noticed those clickables at the top.  I thought the whole thing
> > was the tennis court, the bathtub, and the GG Bridge nearby.
>
> The GG bridge is a looooooooong way from the Claremont.

So was it a GG clone in the picture?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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I at first assumed that this was going to be about the Bushies who
supposedly have been promoting Dean since they think he would be easier
to beat than somebody like Kerry would.

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On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > I hadn't noticed those clickables at the top.  I thought the whole thing
>> > was the tennis court, the bathtub, and the GG Bridge nearby.
>>
>> The GG bridge is a looooooooong way from the Claremont.

> So was it a GG clone in the picture?

I have no idea. All I saw was the Claremont bldg., which backs up
against the hills.

Karen

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On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> How about young Indians being trained to convince
>> Americans that abortions
>> are no good:

> And how would this be accomplished, exactly?  I'm sure
> you've spoken with many proponents and many enemies of
> abortion. Those on each side of the issue have
> passionate, seductive arguments, or so they believe.
> Are you suggesting that, if properly trained by HCL of
> India, these same proponents and enemies would
> effectively change your mind, or that of anyone whose
> view is opposed to yours?

> For that matter, when was the last time any stranger
> called you or walked up to you with the goal of
> convincing you that "abortions are no good"?  And is
> that string of words confidence-inspiring?

You don't find something odd about outsourcing this job to India?

Karen

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On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > I hadn't noticed those clickables at the top.  I thought the whole thing
>> > was the tennis court, the bathtub, and the GG Bridge nearby.
>>
>> The GG bridge is a looooooooong way from the Claremont.

> So was it a GG clone in the picture?

I went and looked again. No, it was the GG.

Karen

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At 09:07 PM 8/27/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > Lorinda and Kevin checked in wearing their wedding attire. Kevin's best man
> > stopped by and  picked up his rented tux and shoes.  Kevin didn't have any
> > other shoes packed with him.
>
>And you were wearing my bra, right?  I just remembered.  But it was
>yours then.

Yes!

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> How about young Indians being trained to convince
> Americans that abortions
> are no good:

And how would this be accomplished, exactly?  I'm sure
you've spoken with many proponents and many enemies of
abortion. Those on each side of the issue have
passionate, seductive arguments, or so they believe.
Are you suggesting that, if properly trained by HCL of
India, these same proponents and enemies would
effectively change your mind, or that of anyone whose
view is opposed to yours?

For that matter, when was the last time any stranger
called you or walked up to you with the goal of
convincing you that "abortions are no good"?  And is
that string of words confidence-inspiring?

A "forthcoming anti-abortion campaign by an American
politician" leaves us pretty much in the dark as to
who, or even where, this politician is. I don't to
have to tell you about responsible journalism.  Cite,
please, this politician.

What "experts", where did "Spectramind" spring from,
in the context of this article?

<http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/bline/2002/05/30/stories/2002053001671400.htm>
> <http://tinyurl.com/ldcm>
>
> That seems to be the campaign that paved the way for
> the purported
> Republican fund-raising campaign.

I can see no connection between the two other than the
fact that each of them would be a futile, needlessly
expensive waste of time.  I wouldn't believe this if
it were published about Libertarians, neo-Nazis,
Muslims, Australians, or Martians.





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Karen Kay wrote:

> > So was it a GG clone in the picture?
>
> I have no idea. All I saw was the Claremont bldg., which backs up
> against the hills.

Weird.  I saw tennis courts, a bathtub, and what appeared to be the GG
Bridge.

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Can't wait for the upcoming Dubya movie.  VV puts it well:

***************
Ultimately, DC 9/11 is less a docudramatic account of historical events
than a legitimizing allegory. In glamorizing a living president, it is
an opportunistic piece of political mythmaking—a scenario that
effectively bridges the highly irregular maneuvering that brought a
popular-vote loser to power in 2000 and the exaggerated, even
fabricated, claims with which his regime orchestrated the U.S. invasion
of Iraq
***************
from: http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0335/hoberman.php

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> You don't find something odd about outsourcing this
> job to India?
>
> Karen

Yes, I certainly do.  Why?  To save money?  To keep
the arrangement from the American public (that doesn't
seem to have worked, if that was one purpose)?
HCL trained personnel are more emotionally involved,
and therefore, more persuasive?  I find that a very
strange notion for anyone to harbor.  Why would an
outsourced group of well-trained, letter perfect
English speaking seductors be more successful than
your co-workers, clergymen, or relatives?

Would it work for you?  Would you be "almost
Persuaded?"

It is odd in the extreme that it wouldn't work, and
Shrub's advisers may be criminals, but they are not
that stoopid.


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On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> You don't find something odd about outsourcing this
>> job to India?
>>
>> Karen

> Yes, I certainly do.  Why?  To save money?

Bingo.

> Would it work for you?  Would you be "almost
> Persuaded?"

Ha. I am developing a deep antipathy to Indian voices on the phone
when they don't belong to people I know.

> It is odd in the extreme that it wouldn't work, and
> Shrub's advisers may be criminals, but they are not
> that stoopid.

Ha.

Karen

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Lynne Weber writes,

>It is odd in the extreme that it wouldn't work, and Shrub's advisers may
>be criminals, but they are not that stoopid.

I don't see what you find nonsensical about it.  And you're involving
Bush's advisors, not me.

If you've been following the news at all, you know that many companies
outsource call center operations to Indian companies because they think it
saves money.

Spectramind calls itself the "largest third-party offshore BPO (Business
process outsourcing) provider in India" <http://www.wipro.com/spectramind/>.

HCL BPO (née eServe) <http://www.hclbpo.com/> is one of the big ones, too:
<http://www.blonnet.com/2003/06/20/stories/2003062001400900.htm>.

There are separate companies which offer training for call center agents,
which include segments on American cultural values as well as language:
"They read and then discuss various issues ranging from abortion, death
penalty, tax structure to whether hand guns should be allowed or not. This
is done to give them an idea of how Americans would react to certain
situations." <http://www.financialexpress.com/fe20010903/con7.html>

An anti-abortion telephone solicitation probably wouldn't convince a
hard-core pro-choicer, but I can certainly imagine it swaying folks on the
fence, particularly when sponsored by a politician they're aligned with.

We have two business news articles, one saying that HCL is about to start
an anti-abortion campaign, and another published eight months later saying
a subsequent campaign "comes on the heels of a successful anti-abortion
campaign run by HCL eServe for a US politician."  The business articles are
published on separate sites, run by different publishers.

I'd call HCL to ask them for you who the politician and Republicans are,
but I strongly suspect they'd decline, citing client confidentiality.

Responsible journalism is great.  So is Ockham's Razor.  You're welcome to
believe what you want, but I find no good reason to disbelieve the articles
in question.

Pete

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At 03:23 PM 08/27/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>> --- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>> > Is there butter on the table?
>
>Why do you ask, Karen?

No, no, no! Don't ask her that!!

Larry

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At 05:25 PM 08/27/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>>> --- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
>>> > Is there butter on the table?
>>> >
>>> > Karen
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>> Why do you ask, Karen?
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>I hope to be able to tell you later this week.

I knew it was a trap.

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http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/enlargement.htm

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Thanks, Natalie.  That was good -- a nice funny to wake up to on this
chilly Maine morning after not sleeping much because of a rather
drama-filled and exhausting three hours at the Primrose Inn yesterday
afternoon and evening.


>http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/enlargement.htm
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

bonnie

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>That was good -- a nice funny to wake up to on this
>chilly Maine morning after not sleeping much because of a rather
>drama-filled and exhausting three hours at the Primrose Inn yesterday
>afternoon and evening.

Was it a flashback of the exuberant, fun-loving cellphone-wielding meebers?
Awwwwww......

AS

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AS

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Dear Mr/Mrs
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I am writing this letter to request your assistance and
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> >drama-filled and exhausting three hours at the Primrose Inn yesterday
> >afternoon and evening.
>
>Was it a flashback of the exuberant, fun-loving cellphone-wielding meebers?
>Awwwwww......             --AS

No.  It was a Quebecois couple who I checked in and then tearfully checked
right back out.  This rather nicely dressed, 40-something woman and her
male companion who barely spoke English were referred by the Chamber of
Commerce.  They looked at the room; they took the room; they paid cash.  I
left them merrily moving their car (I thought).   Clyde and I didn't get
away from the Inn right away because, even though it was 6:15, we just had
another couple come in for cookies.  We were talking with them when the
Quebecois man came downstairs and motioned to me.  He managed to
communicate that his wife "signed too quickly" and was now very
unhappy.  She wanted a room on the water.

I had no idea how the owners would handle that.  But I couldn't really see
forcing them to stay.  After talking with him for awhile,  I gave him his
money back.  He was very apologetic.  I asked him if the keys were in the
room.  Yes.  I followed him up to the room and there was his wife (?)
sitting on the couch in the midst of all their luggage and crying.  When
she saw me she cried harder and said she was so sorry.

I tried to find out what the problem was. She spoke better English than did
he.  She looked so miserable and came into my arms for a hug.  She said
they were both tired and overwhelmed by the town.  ??   She made a gesture,
behind his back, that seemed to mean that the two of them were also
quarreling, although I saw no sign of that.  It was clear that they had
spent time on the phone up in the room calling around for another place.
Their books and papers were laid out on the table.

This was on top of the fact that every single Inn guest seemed to come to
cookie time.  I was very glad that Clyde was there to help.  Their were two
couples who had utterly no clue about Acadia or the island.  I got a map
out and showed them how to get into the Park.  I assured them that the Park
wouldn't be closed.  Why do people go on vacation without a clue as to
where they are going or what there is to do?  Why didn't the Innkeepers
when they checked them in explain some basic things?

A young couple from Morganton, WV were nice.   He identified us right away
as the couple who wrote the hiking stories that the Primrose has displayed
in a booklet on the piano.   He wanted to pick our brains about hiking The
Precipice.   They got caught on an ugly trail on Pemetic Moutain.  April
told me about that trail once.  It's one of the few that have old wooden
ladders.  The trail is actually little known in the Park but they not only
managed to find it but came down it when it is clearly meant to be gone
up.  She was not a happy camper but seemed like she took it all pretty well.

Anyway, it was all very exhausting.  I have no idea how Innkeepers can do
this every day for six months.  I'm working at my usual Inn for eights
hours on Saturday, Sunday, and Tuesday.  But things aren't usually so
dramatic there as they appear to be every time I work the Primrose.


bonnie

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>One honeymoon: Booked!
>AS

You are staying at that castle that you sent the picture of with this same
subject header?


bonnie

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> One honeymoon: Booked!
>
> AS

Where?  Is it a secret?

           - D. M.

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>From: Jim Bradley <jimb@URIACC.URI.EDU>
>> >> Do you have any memory of the "Lucy Evelyn"?
>> >
>> >Nope. No clue. Sounds like a boat?
>>
>> I remember it from early childhood--a derelict coasting
>> schooner washed ashore in a hurricane and turned into a
>> gift shop.
>>
>> I was a lifeguard in Ship Bottom and Surf City in '64 and '65;
>> I think it was gone by then.
>
>The things you learn about people! I was a lifeguard, too, but never an <ocean lifeguard>. BTW, I was just thinking about you on Sunday. Finally really organizing all the scraps of paper I have that have recipes on them into a binder with sheet covers. One was Jimmy's Turkey Shepherd's Pie. I'm determined to make it after this Thanksgiving dinner. You must be so proud of your boy -- he's like Page Six material these days!

I'm not sure what 'page 6 material' is, but I sure am. How anyone can run 3 restaurants is beyond me.
He sure didn't inherit his ambition from me.

I haven't even been to his newest--The Mermaid--yet.

/Jim

>
>Anyway, given what you say above, the Lucy Evelyn predates my birth.
>
>Marie

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 6:26 PM
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>
>
>On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>>> --- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
>>> > Is there butter on the table?
>>> >
>>> > Karen
>
>> Why do you ask, Karen?
>
>I hope to be able to tell you later this week.
>
>Karen
>

Ohhh super secret stuff.


alec

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On Thursday, August 28, 2003, bonniev wrote:
> She said they were both tired and overwhelmed by the town. ??

No place in Quebec is as populated as Bar Harbor in the season. That
many people can be overwhelming. I certainly felt that way when I was
there.

> Why do people go on vacation without a clue as to
> where they are going or what there is to do?  Why didn't the Innkeepers
> when they checked them in explain some basic things?

I can't answer the second question, but to the first, I say that
that's why some people choose destinations like Bar Harbor. They know
it's a famous vacation destination, so there must be things to do.

> A young couple from Morganton, WV were nice.

-town

Karen

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On Thursday, August 28, 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: English Language Discussion Group
>>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 6:26 PM
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: Re: When you eat dinner...
>>
>>
>>On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>>>> --- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
>>>> > Is there butter on the table?
>>>> >
>>>> > Karen
>>
>>> Why do you ask, Karen?
>>
>>I hope to be able to tell you later this week.
>>
>>Karen
>>

> Ohhh super secret stuff.

Yes.

Karen

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Well, not so secret.  Probably a technical manual dealing with the hardness
and softness of butter versus benecol.

>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>On Thursday, August 28, 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: English Language Discussion Group
> >>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
> >>Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 6:26 PM
> >>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >>Subject: Re: When you eat dinner...
> >>
> >>
> >>On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> >>>> --- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> >>>> > Is there butter on the table?
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Karen
> >>
> >>> Why do you ask, Karen?
> >>
> >>I hope to be able to tell you later this week.
> >>
> >>Karen
> >>
>
> > Ohhh super secret stuff.
>
>Yes.
>
>Karen

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What is funny about it?

At 05:48 AM 8/28/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/enlargement.htm
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 07:01 AM 8/28/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>One honeymoon: Booked!
>
>AS

You get to stay there?!

Betty

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At 09:19 AM 8/28/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>No place in Quebec is as populated as Bar Harbor in the season.

Montreal?  Quebec city?

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>No place in Quebec is as populated as Bar Harbor in the season.

I find that very hard to believe.  Montreal has super highways, for God's sake.


>They know it's a famous vacation destination, so there must be things to do.
>Karen

And I suppose they just figure that someone will tell them what to do once
they get here.

We've just walked home from town where we had a front row seat at The Opera
House to watch a whole series of team parallel parking
competitions.  Steel-belted radials don't have much of a chance when they
are pitted against granite curbs.


bonnie

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On Thursday, August 28, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> At 09:19 AM 8/28/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>No place in Quebec is as populated as Bar Harbor in the season.

> Montreal?  Quebec city?

I've been to both, in the summer, and neither of them was as crowded
as Bar Harbor. In some areas, it's like the difference between Tokyo
and Hong Kong, admittedly, that doesn't mean the difference isn't
real.

Karen

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On Thursday, August 28, 2003, bonniev wrote:
>>No place in Quebec is as populated as Bar Harbor in the season.

> I find that very hard to believe.  Montreal has super highways, for God's sake.

You're confusing absolute population with population density.

>>They know it's a famous vacation destination, so there must be things to do.
>>Karen

> And I suppose they just figure that someone will tell them what to do once
> they get here.

They just figure that it will be obvious what to do.

Karen

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At 09:19 AM 8/28/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Thursday, August 28, 2003, bonniev wrote:
> > She said they were both tired and overwhelmed by the town. ??
>
>No place in Quebec is as populated as Bar Harbor in the season.

It is possible that even Montreal at rush hour downtown is not quite as bad
as BH on the Fourth; however, what you perceived is not the way it is all
season.

cwv

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On Thursday, August 28, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> It is possible that even Montreal at rush hour downtown is not quite as bad
> as BH on the Fourth; however, what you perceived is not the way it is all
> season.

Ah. I thought you told me it was more crowded after the 4th. My bad.

Karen

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> I'm not sure what 'page 6 material' is, but I sure am. How anyone
> can run 3 restaurants is beyond me.
> He sure didn't inherit his ambition from me.
>
> I haven't even been to his newest--The Mermaid--yet.
>
> /Jim

Page Six is the gossip page of the New York Post. I don't know if Jimmy's ever actually been mentioned there, but I see his name all over the place, not necessarily related to his restaurants -- sometimes when he's spotted eating someplace *else*.

Marie

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>Ah. I thought you told me it was more crowded after the 4th. My bad.
>Karen

It's more crowded after the 4th than it is before the 4th.  But it is never
as crowded as it is on the 4th.  Neither Labor Day weekend nor Memorial Day
weekend nor fall foliage is as crowded as the July 4th weekend.


bonnie

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On Thursday, August 28, 2003, bonniev wrote:
>>Ah. I thought you told me it was more crowded after the 4th. My bad.
>>Karen

> It's more crowded after the 4th than it is before the 4th.  But it is never
> as crowded as it is on the 4th.  Neither Labor Day weekend nor Memorial Day
> weekend nor fall foliage is as crowded as the July 4th weekend.

Again, my bad.

Karen

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> Only if I'm having vegetables onto which a portion of said butter
> will be
> applied.

Ew.

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On Thursday, August 28, 2003, Tony Harminc wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 26, 2003 at 20:10, Karen Kay wrote:

>> Hard or soft are judgments along what continuum? Not texture, not
>> depth... WHAT???

> Hardness. Usually measured in Mohs (not to be confused with the Mho,
> used to measure conductance (Ohm spelled backwards)).

> Google on "Friedrich Mohs" or "Mohs Hardness Scale". (Hmmm... should
> it be "Mohs's hardness scale"?

Ohmigod. I love you, man! Thank you very, very much.

Karen

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On Tuesday, August 26, 2003 at 20:10, Karen Kay wrote:

> Hard or soft are judgments along what continuum? Not texture, not
> depth... WHAT???

Hardness. Usually measured in Mohs (not to be confused with the Mho,
used to measure conductance (Ohm spelled backwards)).

Google on "Friedrich Mohs" or "Mohs Hardness Scale". (Hmmm... should
it be "Mohs's hardness scale"?

Tony H.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> No place in Quebec is as populated as Bar Harbor in the season. That
> many people can be overwhelming. I certainly felt that way when I was
> there.

??  I must have had on blinders in BH.  I didn't consider it crowded at
all.  No doubt there were far more people on Main Street (or whatever
its name is) at parade time on the 4th or at the fireworks area that
night than are normally in those places, but I didn't consider it
<crowded>.  Getty's was crowded but no more so than any Starkville
restaurant on a football weekend.  Far from what I would consider
overwhelming.

And having been in BH and Quebec City back-to-back fairly recently (I
was in those two places the same day, now that I think about it, but
lots of people in BH were probably still asleep when I left that
morning), I can say that I found Quebec far more crowded than BH.

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> I don't see what you find nonsensical about it.  And
> you're involving
> Bush's advisors, not me.

You're quite right.  I guess I should have said any
political advisers worth their weight, who have
weighed expenses against efficacy.
>
> If you've been following the news at all, you know
> that many companies
> outsource call center operations to Indian companies
> because they think it
> saves money.

"An American politician" is not a company.
>
> Spectramind calls itself the "largest third-party
> offshore BPO (Business
> process outsourcing) provider in India"
> <http://www.wipro.com/spectramind/>.

How do Indian BPO companies, largest or third largest,
rank on a global scale?
>
> HCL BPO (née eServe) <http://www.hclbpo.com/> is one
> of the big ones, too:

> "They read and then discuss various issues ranging
> from abortion, death
> penalty, tax structure to whether hand guns should
> be allowed or not. This
> is done to give them an idea of how Americans would
> react to certain
> situations."

We read and discuss, and we can pretty much predict
how Americans will react to certain situations.  How
many minds have we changed?

> An anti-abortion telephone solicitation probably
> wouldn't convince a
> hard-core pro-choicer, but I can certainly imagine
> it swaying folks on the
> fence, particularly when sponsored by a politician
> they're aligned with.
>
> We have two business news articles, one saying that
> HCL is about to start
> an anti-abortion campaign, and another published
> eight months later saying
> a subsequent campaign "comes on the heels of a
> successful anti-abortion
> campaign run by HCL eServe for a US politician."

How is the success of the anti-abortion campaign
measured?  In numbers of conversions?


> I'd call HCL to ask them for you who the politician
> and Republicans are,
> but I strongly suspect they'd decline, citing client
> confidentiality.

Which doesn't keep them from touting their success in
lassoing American politicians are clients - couldn't
be hype to drum up business for the Indian community;
the international business community if renowned for
its honesty.
>
> Responsible journalism is great.  So is Ockham's
> Razor.  You're welcome to
> believe what you want, but I find no good reason to
> disbelieve the articles
> in question.

Ockham's Razor is a new phrase for me.  I've Googled
it and am mulling over its application here. Be
patient.

But okay, Pete, there is not doubt in my mind that you
believe this.  It's as good an explanation as any
other that all the long distance circuits are busy
lately.

Thanks.  I loved this "discussion":-}.
>
> Pete


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Betty Clark wrote:
>
> What is funny about it?

Attempts at explaining why something is funny rarely succeed.  Even
attempts at general discussions of humor are usually less than
satisfactory.  I think most humor involves some kind of discrepancy.  In
the case of satire, it's usually a discrepancy between what you think
the person/people being satirized <should be> -- as in are expected to
be -- and how they're depicted by the satirist.  So in that particular
comic strip, the primary humor lay in a POTUS acting like a horny
teenager and ignoring important business to pursue things he's into.
And, of course, the specific situation is funny -- that the POTUS would
be sitting at a computer looking at a list of mail not unlike the
ordinary person's, including the "enlarge your penis" spam, and that he
and Kofi Annan would be using e-mail to discuss serious business.   Then
there's the reading ability being made fun of (another discrepancy
between what <should be> and what is being depicted).  And, of course,
the surprise ending with Osama presumably playing net tricks.

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Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> > Only if I'm having vegetables onto which a portion of said butter
> > will be
> > applied.
>
> Ew.

I started to say the same thing -- or rather a similar thing -- I was
going to say yuck.  But I remembered learning in earlier food
discussions that one should not say bad things about somebody else's
food choices.

Merde.  MAJOR THUNDER.  Off with the computer.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:03:51 -0500, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
wrote:
>Getty's was crowded but no more so than any Starkville
>restaurant on a football weekend.  Far from what I would consider
>overwhelming.

Do you go to restaurants in Starkville during football weekends?

Karen

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Hmmm...my first response to this question was quite abbreviated because
I was time constrained but wanted to participate in Karen's research
project.  I was going to say that if dinner consisted of something like
pizza, there would not be any need for butter.  However, almost any time
that an otherwise sauceless vegetable is being served, butter is on the
table for anybody who would like to use it.  That 'anybody' includes me.
 Bread or rolls are also generally on our table and the  butter would
certainly be available for them.

Rita L.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Marie Ascher wrote:
>
>
>>>Only if I'm having vegetables onto which a portion of said butter
>>>will be
>>>applied.
>>>
>>>
>>Ew.
>>
>>
>
>I started to say the same thing -- or rather a similar thing -- I was
>going to say yuck.  But I remembered learning in earlier food
>discussions that one should not say bad things about somebody else's
>food choices.
>
>Merde.  MAJOR THUNDER.  Off with the computer.
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>

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I just heard from the Inn owner that last night's drama turned out well for
them after all.  Today a "lovely German couple" came to the Inn and took
the room, rejected by the Quebec couple, for four nights.  So they came out
ahead.

Thinking more about it, I'll bet the Quebec couple were not so much
overwhelmed by the crowds of Bar Harbor as they were by the housing
choices.  They may have thought there were only a few B&Bs here and not
realized that there were also hotels and motels of every size and description.

Anyway, all is well that end's well and we are off to The Quiet Side for
dinner at Red Sky tonight along with yet a third Inn-owning couple.


bonnie

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Do you go to restaurants in Starkville during football weekends?

As seldom as possible.  I think I remember only one such occasion last
football season.  There will likely be none this season.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Thursday, August 28, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Do you go to restaurants in Starkville during football weekends?

> As seldom as possible.  I think I remember only one such occasion last
> football season.  There will likely be none this season.

Would you choose Starkville on a football weekend for a vacation?

I stay away from crowds as much as I can.

Karen

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Lynne Weber writes,

>How do Indian BPO companies, largest or third largest, rank on a global scale?

<http://news.com.com/2100-1011-1024194.html>:

"India is the top country for delivery of offshore BPO services among large
companies, Gartner said. India's revenue from BPO will grow from slightly
less than $1 billion in 2002 to $1.2 billion in 2003 and will represent 66
percent of the offshore BPO market, according to the research firm."

Note, however, that offshore BPO is still a tiny fraction of the total:
"Still, the offshore BPO market will make up just 1.5 percent of the total
BPO market this year...."

It is expected to get very much larger in the next few years, though.

Here are some pages with more data (note that some of these pages are a
year or two old):
http://www.bpoindia.org/knowledgeBase/
http://www.nasscom.org/artdisplay.asp?Art_id=1273
http://www.nasscom.org/artdisplay.asp?Art_id=1959
http://www.offshoredev.com/jsp/features_detail.jsp?fid=45
http://www.indiainfoline.com/bisc/leve.html
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/EB21Df01.html
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:HtCSAClZAkUJ:www.assocham.org/events/recent/callcen/assocham-idca.pdf
http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jhtml?containerId=27504
http://www.rediff.com/money/2003/jun/11wipro.htm

>Thanks.  I loved this "discussion":-}.

:)

Pete

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> > Karen Kay wrote:
> >> Do you go to restaurants in Starkville during football weekends?
>
> > As seldom as possible.  I think I remember only one such occasion last
> > football season.  There will likely be none this season.
>
>Would you choose Starkville on a football weekend for a vacation?
>
>I stay away from crowds as much as I can.
>Karen

What are you getting at, Karen?  Are you sorry you choose to come to Bar
Harbor for a vacation on July 4th?  That's certainly what it sounds like.


bonnie

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Would you choose Starkville on a football weekend for a vacation?

I wouldn't since I live in Starkville.  If I were a football fan who
enjoyed going to <live> games (which I don't -- I much prefer watching
them on tv) and who lived somewhere else, I might choose Starkville on a
football weekend for a vacation.

> I stay away from crowds as much as I can.

I like crowds of certain kinds and in certain contexts.  I don't like
crowded airplanes or restaurants or theatres (movie or live) or stores.
I don't mind crowded outside events.  I like festivals and crowded
sidewalks and Shinjuku Station at rush hour, etc. etc.

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Somebody was talking today about plasma tv.  I'm not on the verge of
rushing out and buying one, but I stumbled upon some pictures via
Gateway Computers:

http://www.gateway.com/home/prod/hm_plsmtv_proddetail.shtml

Is that picture showing the whole tv set?  Like where are its guts?  I'm
just curious.

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On Thursday, August 28, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Is that picture showing the whole tv set?

Yes.

> Like where are its guts?

Inside.

> I'm just curious.

There is a FAQ.

Karen

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On Thursday, August 28, 2003, bonniev wrote:
> What are you getting at, Karen?  Are you sorry you choose to come to Bar
> Harbor for a vacation on July 4th?  That's certainly what it sounds like.

Oh, no! Not at all. I'm *really* sorry that you could ever think that.
Believe me, that was one of the high points of my whole life. I still
dream about your house.

All I'm saying is that I can understand how someone might be unused to
or intimidated by crowds.

Karen

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There's an *excellent* article in the Sept. 1 Washington Spectator:  "A
Republican Looks at Bush & Co. With a Furrowed Brow."  But I don't think
it's anywhere online.  That seems odd these days.  I see no mention of a
website on the printed WS, and googling doesn't help.  The article is
prefaced by several paragraphs presumably written by the WS editor, Ben
Franklin, and then the longish article itself is by Bill Rentschler.  I
wish I could find it online somewhere.
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Karen Kay wrote:
> > Is that picture showing the whole tv set?
>
> Yes.
>
> > Like where are its guts?
>
> Inside.
>
> > I'm just curious.
>
> There is a FAQ.

Thanks.  You've answered my question, so I don't need a FAQ.  All I
wanted to know about was whether that was the whole thing.

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>Is that picture showing the whole tv set?  Like where are its guts?  I'm
>just curious.

That's the whole TV set.  Flatness is part of the supposed charm of plasma TVs.

Regular TVs are boxy because they have to contain a picture tube, a sort of
funnel-shaped glass "bulb," with the picture being painted on, and the
viewer looking at, the mouth of the funnel:

<http://popularmechanics.com/technology/television/1997/4/High_Tech_Tubes/>

The electronic guts besides the picture tube don't take up much room, and
can be made flat inside a plasma TV.

Pete

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> On Thursday, August 28, 2003, bonniev wrote:
> > What are you getting at, Karen?  Are you sorry you choose to come to Bar
> > Harbor for a vacation on July 4th?  That's certainly what it sounds like.
>
> Oh, no! Not at all. I'm *really* sorry that you could ever think that.

I thought it too and was surprised that you were saying it.

> All I'm saying is that I can understand how someone might be unused to
> or intimidated by crowds.

I think it was your personalizing of it that made it sound like you were
sorry to have been in BH -- saying that you found BH extremely crowded
and that you hated crowds and tried to avoid them, etc.

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>Oh, no! Not at all. I'm *really* sorry that you could ever think that.
>Believe me, that was one of the high points of my whole life. I still
>dream about your house.

Whew.  Why about our house?  Did you ever get into Acadia National
Park?  Yes, you went to Jordan Pond, right?   I lost track of or never knew
what people did from day to day.  Did Al and Terry ever go to the B&B of
their honeymoon?  And where is Lisa lately?  She hasn't been posting.  It
just dawned on me that she said her mother was coming up here in August.  I
wonder if she did.

>All I'm saying is that I can understand how someone might be unused to
>or intimidated by crowds.          --Karen

Yes, I can see that too.  I had classmates who left the convent and got way
overwhelmed at the crowds on college campuses in the 1960s.


bonnie

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On Thursday, August 28, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I think it was your personalizing of it that made it sound like you were
> sorry to have been in BH -- saying that you found BH extremely crowded
> and that you hated crowds and tried to avoid them, etc.

I would not willingly choose crowds, ever.

Karen

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On Thursday, August 28, 2003, bonniev wrote:
>>Oh, no! Not at all. I'm *really* sorry that you could ever think that.
>>Believe me, that was one of the high points of my whole life. I still
>>dream about your house.

> Whew.  Why about our house?

I don't know; I dream about Paul's house, too.

> Did you ever get into Acadia National
> Park?

Yes.

Karen

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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote a n excellent analysis:

>Attempts at explaining why something is funny rarely succeed.  Even
>attempts at general discussions of humor are usually less than
>satisfactory.  I think most humor involves some kind of discrepancy.  In
>the case of satire, it's usually a discrepancy between what you think
[etc.]

Thank you, Natalie!

Bethany

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I know someone here will know:  what is a .pcr file?  One of my
cousins asked me; it's a recipe she wants to see, but she can't
open the file.

Thanks!

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
People are not ruled by their memories.
Roger Smith

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This is the first book I bought with the conscious intent of reading
more "science writing". I am happy to say that so far the gamble has
paid off. Gleick kind of messes up in a few places, because of the
desire to make it sound like it was declaimed in one breath, and to
make it sound "atmospheric" etc, so that certain segues and chapter
endings sound a bit ludicrous. But it certainly doesn't instantly
bore like crap "literary" writing, and the story is fascinating
and very well told. The lesson which this still-new genre should
learn is that there is no need to kowtow to liberally educated--
i.e. undereducated--"bobo" tastes, when your subject matter is a
killer. The book's quite a gem, actually--a short, speedy, story
of a certified eccentric genius.

Which, by the way, I would like to contrast with these fakeass
pseudo-historic novels featuring weird alchemists, or abbotts
spouting signs-of-signs, etc. You know what I am talking about?
I realize now that that crap is written by writers who are
INCOMPETENT to write about real intellectual revolutions, the
characters in which are infinitely more interesting. And it's
read by readers who don't want to engage in interesting subjects
because "math is hard".

And how about this--I have seen probably 20 poems mumbling about
the visions in Nietschze's syphilitic brain, and ONE pentametric
line mentioning Newton. Ever. Isn't this shameful?

The book is also about beginnings--the chaos of ideas and the
excitement of the age, the formation of the Royal Society and
to an extent the modern scientific method, the fluidity of the
boundaries between "science", philosophy, and the occult, the
strangeness and variety of things which motivated "scientists"
then. And of course, the falling apple and the miraculous year.

I wish the book had more matter and went slower. I will give
it an A.

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02003-08-28 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
> I know someone here will know:  what is a .pcr file?  One of my
> cousins asked me; it's a recipe she wants to see, but she can't
> open the file.

This might help ...

http://filext.com/detaillist.php?extdetail=PCR

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> > Only if I'm having vegetables onto which a portion of said butter
> > will be
> > applied.
>
> Ew.

Away, lactophobe.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote a n excellent analysis:
>
> >Attempts at explaining why something is funny rarely succeed.  Even
> >attempts at general discussions of humor are usually less than
> >satisfactory.  I think most humor involves some kind of discrepancy.  In
> >the case of satire, it's usually a discrepancy between what you think
> [etc.]
>
> Thank you, Natalie!

Heavens.  Words-L never ceases to amaze me.  Or were you being
sarcastic?

Meanwhile, though, I have just accomplished an accomplishment.  All this
tv talk made me notice while sitting out of the decklet courting West
Nile Virus that a couple of huge crepe myrtle branches were cozying up
to my DirecTV dish.  So I just managed to cut them down, drag them to
the curb, and spray that blank gunk onto the wounds -- that sealing
stuff.  I was afraid these wounds were too grisly not to seal.  My cuts
into the large branches with my xmas-tree-cutting-down saw were far from
neat.  To finish the job I had to yank the branches, pealing off lots of
skin from the branch stumps.

I really do want a big-screen tv.  Even though I rarely turn it on, I do
think it would be fun to be able to see whatever it is I'm looking at
when I do turn it on.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Thursday, August 28, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I was afraid these wounds were too grisly not to seal.

IME, crepe myrtle can recover from anything.


Karen

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> And how about this--I have seen probably 20 poems mumbling about
> the visions in Nietschze's syphilitic brain, and ONE pentametric
> line mentioning Newton. Ever. Isn't this shameful?

Newton should've changed his name.  Just look how much more poetic
Nietschze and syphilitic are than Newton and apple.

> The book is also about beginnings--the chaos of ideas and the
> excitement of the age, the formation of the Royal Society and
> to an extent the modern scientific method, the fluidity of the
> boundaries between "science", philosophy, and the occult, the
> strangeness and variety of things which motivated "scientists"
> then. And of course, the falling apple and the miraculous year.

Does it talk about Thomas Vaughan and hermeticism?

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Karen Kay wrote:
> IME, crepe myrtle can recover from anything.

Actually, that was my gut feeling also.  But since I had a can of the
blank gunk handy and since these really were <severe> wounds, I went on
and sealed them.

The weather here has turned much cooler in the past couple of days.
That's bad for Saturday night's football game.

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02003-08-28 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > And how about this--I have seen probably 20 poems mumbling about
> > the visions in Nietschze's syphilitic brain, and ONE pentametric
> > line mentioning Newton. Ever. Isn't this shameful?
>
> Newton should've changed his name.  Just look how much more poetic
> Nietschze and syphilitic are than Newton and apple.

An enterprising poet could make it work, madam.

(Man ... the ONLY approximately contemporary English poet I can
hold in front of my eyes, at the moment, without getting completely
nauseated, is James Merrill. I should show gratitude by buying all
books.)

> > The book is also about beginnings--the chaos of ideas and the
> > excitement of the age, the formation of the Royal Society and
> > to an extent the modern scientific method, the fluidity of the
> > boundaries between "science", philosophy, and the occult, the
> > strangeness and variety of things which motivated "scientists"
> > then. And of course, the falling apple and the miraculous year.
>
> Does it talk about Thomas Vaughan and hermeticism?

Not so far. But I think the book will stay away from ridiculous
"interesting" characters who had zero impact on history.

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--On Thursday, August 28, 2003 6:31 PM -0400 bonniev <bonniev@GWI.NET>
wrote:

> Did Al and Terry ever go to the B&B of
> their honeymoon?

We drove by once and walked near, pointing it out to the children, but we
always seemed to be going somewhere and didn't take the time to stop.

Always so much to do, so little time.

Terry

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02003-08-28 | Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> writes:
> (Man ... the ONLY approximately contemporary English poet I can
> hold in front of my eyes, at the moment, without getting completely
> nauseated, is James Merrill. I should show gratitude by buying all
> books.)

Sorry, I should mention Geoffrey Hill. (Although he sees Indians
as scarcely different from Gibbon's Jews.)

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > Newton should've changed his name.  Just look how much more poetic
> > Nietschze and syphilitic are than Newton and apple.
>
> An enterprising poet could make it work, madam.

You should do that -- and do it repeatedly, like maybe through a sonnet
sequence.

> > Does it talk about Thomas Vaughan and hermeticism?
>
> Not so far. But I think the book will stay away from ridiculous
> "interesting" characters who had zero impact on history.

But are you sure that TV had zero impact on history?  How do you know
that Newton wasn't pondering those bright shoots of everlastingness when
the apple landed, making him put it all together.  Wasn't TV a doctor?
Maybe he was IN's doctor and somehow <infused> him.  Do we know what IN
was doing when the apple fell?  I can't remember.  Perhaps he was
sitting there reading Henry Vaughan's poetry.

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Terry Wild wrote:

> > Did Al and Terry ever go to the B&B of
> > their honeymoon?
>
> We drove by once and walked near, pointing it out to the children, but we

And to me!  It was when we were walking to the Internet Cafe that
morning.

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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Heavens.  Words-L never ceases to amaze me.  Or were you being
>sarcastic?

Good Lord! No! You are the amazing one!

Bethany

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> And to me!  It was when we were walking to the Internet Cafe that
> morning.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

That's right!  I was thinking it was that time, but we walked that way so
many times, I wasn't sure.  I knew you'd help my failing memory!

I am trying to do a WHTMICA but the first part took on a life of it's own.
Friday afternoon became 1.5 pages, way too long, I wouldn't read all that!
I'll pare it down and send installment one.

Terry

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02003-08-28 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > > Newton should've changed his name.  Just look how much more poetic
> > > Nietschze and syphilitic are than Newton and apple.
> >
> > An enterprising poet could make it work, madam.
>
> You should do that -- and do it repeatedly, like maybe through a sonnet
> sequence.

That's a good idea, Dr Maynor.

> > > Does it talk about Thomas Vaughan and hermeticism?
> >
> > Not so far. But I think the book will stay away from ridiculous
> > "interesting" characters who had zero impact on history.
>
> But are you sure that TV had zero impact on history?  How do you know
> that Newton wasn't pondering those bright shoots of everlastingness when
> the apple landed, making him put it all together.  Wasn't TV a doctor?
> Maybe he was IN's doctor and somehow <infused> him.  Do we know what IN
> was doing when the apple fell?  I can't remember.  Perhaps he was
> sitting there reading Henry Vaughan's poetry.

These theories are extremely well-posed, and they might turn
out to have merit. However, Newton seems to have been a bit
of an obsessive geek in his early "physics" life, and pretty
unlikely to read "nonsense".

He was not reading when the apple hit him right on the head.
He was trying to put something down on paper, but was doodling
with the quill, frustrated. I saw it on TV.

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> The electronic guts besides the picture tube don't
> take up much room, and
> can be made flat inside a plasma TV.

Same is true of flat screen monitors?

BTW, thanks for the links.  Also, BTW, I am pro-choice.

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>
> Thank you, Natalie!
>
> Bethany

What is the schedule for your house blessing, moving
to new digs, etc.?


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> The book is also about beginnings--the chaos of
> ideas and the
> excitement of the age, the formation of the Royal
> Society and
> to an extent the modern scientific method, the
> fluidity of the
> boundaries between "science", philosophy, and the
> occult, the
> strangeness and variety of things which motivated
> "scientists"
> then. And of course, the falling apple and the
> miraculous year.

Ah, now you've piqued my interest.  Did you buy this
book?


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Terry Wild wrote:

> I am trying to do a WHTMICA but the first part took on a life of it's own.
> Friday afternoon became 1.5 pages, way too long, I wouldn't read all that!
> I'll pare it down and send installment one.

Send it all!

--
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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > You should do that -- and do it repeatedly, like maybe through a sonnet
> > sequence.
>
> That's a good idea, Dr Maynor.

You could name it To Isaac.  No wait -- a better name would be Isaac and
Applefell.

> > But are you sure that TV had zero impact on history?  How do you know
> > that Newton wasn't pondering those bright shoots of everlastingness when
> > the apple landed, making him put it all together.  Wasn't TV a doctor?
> > Maybe he was IN's doctor and somehow <infused> him.  Do we know what IN
> > was doing when the apple fell?  I can't remember.  Perhaps he was
> > sitting there reading Henry Vaughan's poetry.
>
> These theories are extremely well-posed, and they might turn
> out to have merit. However, Newton seems to have been a bit
> of an obsessive geek in his early "physics" life, and pretty
> unlikely to read "nonsense".

But, as you said, science hobnobbed with philosophy and occultism at
that time.  He probably had an alchemy set in his basement as a child.
And that would lure him toward hermeticism.  I bet he read the Kaballa
late at night with his flashlight.

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> He was not reading when the apple hit him right on
> the head.
> He was trying to put something down on paper, but
> was doodling
> with the quill, frustrated. I saw it on TV.

How would one doodle with a quill pen?  I guess
scientists of yore did doodle.


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> I look forward to meeting the sellers tomorrow. I
> have learned that they
> are quite wealthy - live in Richmond - he was an
> inventor (coal stuff) -

Sounds interesting, but what is "coal stuff"?

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>
>I am trying to do a WHTMICA but the first part took on a life of it's own.
>Friday afternoon became 1.5 pages, way too long, I wouldn't read all that!
>I'll pare it down and send installment one.
>
>Terry

We did a lot Friday afternoon!

Betty

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I can have a bicycle at HH - and keep it in the garage area - I wonder if
I can keep a Harley there. I figure I will be ready for one about the time
they take my license away ...

Bethany

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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>What is the schedule for your house blessing, moving >to new digs, etc.?

Oooooh, don't rush me, please! Closing is not until tomorrow. I have just
written a note giving Kyle 30 days notice. It will take the entire month
of September to pack and move (I still have a day job.) The house blessing
will come a few weeks later, after I have unpacked, hung paintings, etc.

I look forward to meeting the sellers tomorrow. I have learned that they
are quite wealthy - live in Richmond - he was an inventor (coal stuff) -

Bethany

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 I wonder if
> I can keep a Harley there. I figure I will be ready
> for one about the time
> they take my license away ...

My maternal grandfather had a very early Harley.  My
grandmother insisted that he sell it before she would
marry  him.  That's the family story, anyhow.

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----- Original Message -----
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>
> How would one doodle with a quill pen?  >


Doodle . . dip . . . doodle . . dip . . .


                    - D. M.

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At 09:32 PM 8/28/2003 -0500, you wrote:
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> >
> > How would one doodle with a quill pen?  >
>
>
>Doodle . . dip . . . doodle . . dip . . .

Doris, how is Gene doing?  What did you cook for dinner?

Betty

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Friday Aug 15th.     Got up at some early hour and roused the children to
get dressed and tumble into the car.  Alan was a great chauffeur and we
decided it would be less of a cluster if he dropped me off and took the
children back home.  We said our goodbyes.  Lillia was the most anxious and
didn’t want me to go.  Will gave a good hug and Edward had that “I don’t
really know what’s going on here, I’m still asleep” look.

After their departure, I breezed through security with no searches.  A
coffee and bagel helped wake me up.  The ride to Philly was unimpressive
and short.  The flight change was smooth and now for a grueling 5 hours to
SF.  Window seats are nice unless the sun is beating on your side and
reflecting off the wing.  I could feel the burn and wondered if I’d end up
with a trucker’s tan.  My seat mate was off to help with some union
negotiations in SF.  We talked a little about nothing in particular.  He
read his paper, I read “Invisible Eden”.

The most interesting site over the Rockies was the concentric dark green
circles in the middle of nowhere.  Larry explained they were crops, the
circular shape caused by the irrigation method.  Ummm, true crop circles.

On the SF approach, I was struck by the shear number of houses built on
what looked like fill right out into the water.  The recognition of the
number of people in the area became increasingly poignant to me as the day
wore on.

Upon debarking I immediately found the Clarks.  Retrieving my ‘light’
suitcase, we headed into SF.   First stop Mission Dolores, the oldest
building in SF.  I found the interior to be fancier than I’d expected for
such an old church. I also didn’t expect anything so old ? late 1700s.  But
that is Spanish CA history and breezed over in US History.  The Basilica
next door was just awesome.  As we walked in organ music was playing.  I’m
looking around for the large pipe organ in the back, but the organ was a
modern day one off to one side with a person playing it.  The acoustics
were enveloping. The stained glass windows and tile pictures indicated much
human endeavor.

The cemetery was inviting due to the botanical selections.  A map was
posted for those who found something interesting.  The roses in bloom gave
an uplifting feel to the experience, a nice escape from the hustle of the
street.  Of note - the number of people of Irish descent buried there.

http://www.graphicmode.com/missiondolores/index.html
http://www.jnelson.com/Basilica_SlideShow/mission_dolores.htm

After leaving the Mission, Larry drove off in search of the Woman’s
Building which was supposed to have murals painted on it.  Well done and
expressive.  Vibrant colors and themes.   This needs visuals!  On the
website, click on the stores link, the pictures are explained.
http://www.maestrapeace.com/mural/

Next stop cable cars.  After dropping Betty and I off at the Powell/Market
Station, Larry proceeded to Fisherman’s Wharf to await our arrival.
Hanging on the side of the car was a treat, making sure not to get whacked
by rear view mirrors, a feat.  We had a good bell ringer.  Betty says they
have competitions and can play tunes.  They should do that on every run,
just for flavor!  Boy do they pack bodies on.  Standing room only is an
understatement.  If it weren’t for the wires on top, I’d expect deck chairs
up there as well!

We hit Ghirardelli Square for refreshment and window shopping. As we
proceeded towards Pier 39, I waded into the Bay, the nearest thing to the
Pacific I’ve been.  I found the water warm.  (The Atlantic was a bit
chillier the following Tuesday)  The silver man (statue) was setting up,
but was impressive anyway with his head to toe silver coloring. There was a
man holding branches in front of himself and then shaking the branches at
people to startle them. Very effective from what I’ve seen.  Meeting up
with Larry, we checked out the sea lions that ousted the boats, and then
went for lunch/dinner at a place Larry scoped out.   It was a toss up
between crab and cioppino, I chose the crab.

A drive down Lombard Street and a ride up Coit tower ended the day.  The
murals in the tower depicting all aspects of American life, farmers,
industrialists, etc, were a good use of stone walls, makes the tower more
interesting.  http://www.coittower.org/index.html
The elevator operator was amusing, “no politics, no religion in this
elevator”, then proceeds to discuss politics.  Should have seen his face on
the way down when Larry said it was a good thing he didn’t wear his high
heels. “We’re not going there!”

Over the bridge to Oakland and onto chez Clark for a nightcap and a
computer fix.

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> Doodle . . dip . . . doodle . . dip . . .

The Dipsy Doodle!

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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> Which, by the way, I would like to contrast with these fakeass
> pseudo-historic novels featuring weird alchemists, or abbotts
> spouting signs-of-signs, etc. You know what I am talking about?

No.  What?

> And how about this--I have seen probably 20 poems mumbling about
> the visions in Nietschze's syphilitic brain, and ONE pentametric
> line mentioning Newton. Ever. Isn't this shameful?

No.  Nietschze is fun to read, more fun probably than his biographies.

And Newton?

> The book is also about beginnings--the chaos of ideas and the
> excitement of the age, the formation of the Royal Society and
> to an extent the modern scientific method,

actually, I've been meaning to ask.  What counts as the modern scientific
method?  Like, double blind studies?  Must be more than that.  Making it
explicit?  I BET THAT'S IT, making it explicit.

Ann

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In a message dated 8/28/2003 9:26:10 PM Central Daylight Time,
dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:
<<
Doodle . . dip . . . doodle . . dip . . .

>>

Shouldn't you dip first?

Evelyn Duncan
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hand me the James Gleick, I need to get this out of my mind:

"Boilet's graphic novel YUKIKO'S SPINACH answers that age-old question
"Can a book be charming, tender and, at the same time, ever so slightly sad and
creepy?" Why, yes - yes it can!

"Yukiko is a young Japanese woman and the titular spinach is actually her
navel. Our hero, a French ex-pat, confuses the two words (apparently very
similar in Japanese) during a pre-coital exploratory feel-up. Yukiko is
endlessly amused, and who can blame her, really? It's awfully cute. "

-gag-

Ann

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> Shouldn't you dip first?

Yes, and that's the Daisy Dipsy Doodle.


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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>Sounds interesting, but what is "coal stuff"?

Items used in the extraction of coal, etc.

Bethany

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> Items used in the extraction of coal, etc.

Okay.  Just checking.

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In a message dated 8/28/2003 10:06:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
>Shouldn't you dip first?

Yes, and that's the Daisy Dipsy Doodle.

>>

Well, if you're going to model it after Daisy, you're going
to have to put some teeth into it.

Speaking of Daisy, I took her out for a walk this afternoon
after I got home from work.  She loves to nose around bushes,
and after one such exploration, I noticed that she had something
in her mouth; I took it out and noticed that it was a snakeskin.
I'm glad it wasn't a snake!

Evelyn Duncan
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Roger Smith

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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

>"Yukiko is a young Japanese woman and the titular spinach is actually her
>navel. Our hero, a French ex-pat, confuses the two words (apparently very

What are the two words?

Bethany

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On Thursday, August 28, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> hand me the James Gleick, I need to get this out of my mind:

> "Boilet's graphic novel YUKIKO'S SPINACH answers that age-old question
> "Can a book be charming, tender and, at the same time, ever so slightly sad and
> creepy?" Why, yes - yes it can!

> "Yukiko is a young Japanese woman and the titular spinach is actually her
> navel. Our hero, a French ex-pat, confuses the two words (apparently very
> similar in Japanese) during a pre-coital exploratory feel-up. Yukiko is
> endlessly amused, and who can blame her, really? It's awfully cute. "

> -gag-

Me, too.

'very similar'????? Not.

Karen

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On Thursday, August 28, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

>>"Yukiko is a young Japanese woman and the titular spinach is actually her
>>navel. Our hero, a French ex-pat, confuses the two words (apparently very

> What are the two words?

> Bethany

heso       2 moras long

hoorensoo  6 moras long

Karen

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On Thursday, August 28, 2003, Terry Wild wrote:
> The most interesting site over the Rockies was the concentric dark green
> circles in the middle of nowhere.  Larry explained they were crops, the
> circular shape caused by the irrigation method.  Ummm, true crop circles.

You see those in the midwest, too. I know what you mean about crop
circles...

The only time I've seen one up close was when I lived in San Jose;
there was one across the boulevard from where my office was.

Karen

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On Thursday, August 28, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> The electronic guts besides the picture tube don't
>> take up much room, and
>> can be made flat inside a plasma TV.

> Same is true of flat screen monitors?

Depends on what you call 'flat screen'. If you're talking about LCD
monitors that use liquid crystals instead of tubes, yes.

Trinitrons are flat screens, too, but they tubes. That's what my
monitor is.

Karen

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On Thursday, August 28, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> This is the first book I bought with the conscious intent of reading
> more "science writing".

He's the guy who wrote the popular book on chaos theory many years
ago.

> I wish the book had more matter and went slower. I will give
> it an A.

YaY!

Karen

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>
> Doris, how is Gene doing?  What did you cook for dinner?
>
> Betty

He's doing just fine.  Almost like new.

For dinner:  small sirloin steak, steamed broccoli,
sweet corn, oven-fried potato, sliced nectarines.

                   - D. M.

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> > Doodle . . dip . . . doodle . . dip . . .
>
> The Dipsy Doodle!

Good one!

    - D. M.

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Lynne Weber writes,

>Same is true of flat screen monitors?

Yes, same principle.  LCD screens use a somewhat different display and
illumination technology, but they're both flat and don't use the bulky
picture tube.

>BTW, thanks for the links.

Sure thing!

>Also, BTW, I am pro-choice.

It would have been my general presumption. :)

Pete

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This is what I want to do: http://www.hostelscentral.com/hostels-article-72.html

Karen

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http://www.cnn.com/2000/FOOD/news/08/24/spain.tomato.war.ap/

Karen

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Go to Wilkes-Barre:
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10056092&BRD=2259&PAG=461&dept_id=455154&rfi=6


Karen

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At 10:42 PM 8/28/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> > Doris, how is Gene doing?  What did you cook for dinner?
> >
> > Betty
>
>He's doing just fine.  Almost like new.
>
>For dinner:  small sirloin steak, steamed broccoli,
>sweet corn, oven-fried potato, sliced nectarines.
>
>                    - D. M.

Was there butter on the table?

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Terry Wild wrote:
[an interesting account]
Keep 'em coming!  Good descriptions, but we're waiting for the
<scandalous> parts.

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Bradykins lives!  And sounds quite normal.  I can't believe that I
didn't report this last night.  I really do think that rats are eating
my brain.  There was a long gap between when I got the phone message and
when I next turned on my computer, of course, since the lightning and
thunder were doing their thing for a long time.  Anyway, sometime after
getting home yesterday afternoon I realized that my answering-machine
light was blinking.  When I pushed the button, I expected to hear the
chirpy-man-recording about non-profit organizations and credit cards,
but no -- it was BRADLEY DALE!  He said that he had been on nomail for a
good while, then looked at the list and saw the "Where is Brad?" subject
header, but then didn't reply because it was an old thread by then.
That is most definitely a feeble excuse.  Dead birds r us.  Anyway, he
said he's doing fine.  I'm going to call him sometime this weekend and
get that information <live> instead of in a message.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> This is what I want to do: http://www.hostelscentral.com/hostels-article-72.html

Betcha without even chasing the url that this is about the
tomato-throwing festival.  I've always thought it sounded more fun than
Pamplona (or always since I first read about it not really all that many
years ago).

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My quiz results from the CS Monitor quiz at
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/quiz/neoconQuiz.html"

***********
Based on your answers, you are most likely a liberal.
***********

My oh my.

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> > >
> > > Doris, how is Gene doing?  What did you cook for dinner?
> > >
> > > Betty
> >
> >He's doing just fine.  Almost like new.
> >
> >For dinner:  small sirloin steak, steamed broccoli,
> >sweet corn, oven-fried potato, sliced nectarines.
> >
> >                    - D. M.
>
> Was there butter on the table?

Alas, our table has seen butter days . .
but no more.

                       - D. M.

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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>heso       2 moras long
>
>hoorensoo  6 moras long

Thank you - I have Japanese and Japanese language students - they will
enjoy this.

Bethany

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On Friday, August 29, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>heso       2 moras long
>>
>>hoorensoo  6 moras long

> Thank you - I have Japanese and Japanese language students - they will
> enjoy this.

They could also have told you the words, of course.

Karen

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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> Thank you - I have Japanese and Japanese language students - they will
>> enjoy this.
>
>They could also have told you the words, of course.

Maybe. Probably I would have had trouble describing them from the little I
know.

Bethany

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a week+ in Syracuse between a week in Toronto and a week in Portland
 
I was shocked to see what happened to gas prices while I was gone - $1.64 when I left last thursday to $1.79 when I got back yesterday. I expected some increase because prices were on the rise in Toronto as well, but the jump was more than I anticipated.  In spite of higher prices, or perhaps trying to get a jump on even higher prices, everyone seemed to be on the road yesterday.  The trip normally takes me about 4:15 - yesterday it took 5:30.
 
BrP

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a week+ in Syracuse between a week in Toronto and a week in Portland

I was shocked to see what happened to gas prices while I was gone -
$1.64 when I left last thursday to $1.79 when I got back yesterday. I
expected some increase because prices were on the rise in Toronto as
well, but the jump was more than I anticipated.  In spite of higher
prices, or perhaps trying to get a jump on even higher prices, everyone
seemed to be on the road yesterday.  The trip normally takes me about
4:15 - yesterday it took 5:30.

BrP

While others question and fuss about the price of gas, I question and
fuss about the price
of INK.

                     - D. M.

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http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/jobflight.html

Karen

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Karen:
> I would not willingly choose crowds, ever.

Sometimes the crowd *is* the event.

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On Friday, August 29, 2003 at 9:24, Paul Barfoot wrote:

> a week+ in Syracuse between a week in Toronto and a week in Portland
>
> I was shocked to see what happened to gas prices while I was gone - $1.64 when I left last thursday to $1.79 when I got back yesterday. I expected some increase because prices were on the rise in Toronto as well, but the jump was more than I anticipated.  In spite of higher prices, or perhaps
trying to get a jump on even higher prices, everyone seemed to be on the road yesterday.  The trip normally takes me about 4:15 - yesterday it took 5:30.

Waiting for that ferry...?

Tony H.

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On Friday, August 29, 2003, hominy cricket wrote:
> Karen:
>> I would not willingly choose crowds, ever.

> Sometimes the crowd *is* the event.

So?

Karen

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> http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/jobflight.html
>
> Karen

So, Karen, when are you moving
to India?

                 - D. M.

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On Friday, August 29, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> So, Karen, when are you moving
> to India?

Better question, when will Tushar's visa be revoked.

Karen

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This is just stupid.  I've been to Bar Harbor and Quebec City in season as
well, and the Tokyo- Hong Kong comparison seems apt.  I doubt seriously that
a traveler from one city to the other would be suddenly overwhelmed by the
simple change in population density.  Now, if these people came from
Charlevoix, or Gaspe, it might be another story, but the question then might
be why on earth they were going to Bar Harbor at all.

> > At 09:19 AM 8/28/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>No place in Quebec is as populated as Bar Harbor in the season.
>
> > Montreal?  Quebec city?
>
>I've been to both, in the summer, and neither of them was as crowded
>as Bar Harbor. In some areas, it's like the difference between Tokyo
>and Hong Kong, admittedly, that doesn't mean the difference isn't
>real.
>
>Karen

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On Friday, August 29, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> This is just stupid.  I've been to Bar Harbor and Quebec City in season as
> well, and the Tokyo- Hong Kong comparison seems apt.  I doubt seriously that
> a traveler from one city to the other would be suddenly overwhelmed by the
> simple change in population density.

Uh-huh. Well, you do it and let me know. I thought Hong Kong was much
more crowded than Tokyo.

Karen

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On Thursday, August 28, 2003 at 19:00, Tushar Samant wrote:

> The book is also about beginnings--the chaos of ideas and the
> excitement of the age, the formation of the Royal Society and
> to an extent the modern scientific method, the fluidity of the
> boundaries between "science", philosophy, and the occult, the
> strangeness and variety of things which motivated "scientists"
> then. And of course, the falling apple and the miraculous year.

Just to, ahem, "push the envelope" a bit, have you read _Uncle
Tungsten_, by Oliver Sacks, or _Boswell's Clap_ by William Ober?
Neither is entirely or even mostly historical or biographical, but
they are both written by scientifically literate men (indeed by
scientists) with wide knowledge beyond their fields, and a fantastic
sense of context.

Tony H.

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On Thursday, August 28, 2003 at 18:43, Lynne Weber wrote:

> > The electronic guts besides the picture tube don't
> > take up much room, and
> > can be made flat inside a plasma TV.
>
> Same is true of flat screen monitors?

Many flat-screen monitors now have TV tuners built in, and you may
have noticed that the plasma TV Natalie was looking at has a couple
of kinds of computer input. The word "convergence" rears its ugly
head again.

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At 10:53 AM 8/29/2003 -0400, Marty Rosen wrote:
>.  Now, if these people came from
>Charlevoix, or Gaspe,

Their address on the registration card was Laval.

cwv

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Karen:
>>> I would not willingly choose crowds, ever.
>> Sometimes the crowd *is* the event.
> So?

So there are people who willingly choose crowds.

Just sayin' is all.

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On Friday, August 29, 2003, hominy cricket wrote:
> Karen:
>>>> I would not willingly choose crowds, ever.
>>> Sometimes the crowd *is* the event.
>> So?

> So there are people who willingly choose crowds.

> Just sayin' is all.

Oh, sure. I know there are people like that. My gosh, there are even
people who choose to live in the Quarter... :)

Karen

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The ferry probably won't be that much help to me.  The projected fare is $40.US per car plus $15.US per person and the projected crossing time is about 2.5 hrs.  The ferry dock in Rochester is significantly north of my normal route of travel across NY State so it would take me about 2 hrs to get to the dock from here.  The ferry dock in Toronto is significantlt south of where I usually go and would add close to an hour to my trip once I'm in Toronto.  So, my choices would be - about a 5.5 hr trip if the ferry times are convenient and a cost of $55.US or a 4.5 hour trip at my choice of time and about $7. US in tolls.  If I lived in Rochester and my destination was downtown T.O. and I had the money, it might be worth it.  Having said all that, I hope that they do get it up and running.  I had heard a May 2004 projected start up date - don't know if that has changed.
 
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>>> tony@HARMINC.COM 08/29/03 10:31AM >>>
On Friday, August 29, 2003 at 9:24, Paul Barfoot wrote:


Waiting for that ferry...?

Tony H.

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Karen:
>Oh, sure. I know there are people like that. My gosh,
>there are even people who choose to live in the Quarter... :)

Indeed.  And, speaking of crowds, this weekend
is Southern Decadence.  Things were already in
full swing last night.

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Many flat-screen monitors now have TV tuners built in, and you may
>have noticed that the plasma TV Natalie was looking at has a couple
>of kinds of computer input. The word "convergence" rears its ugly
>head again.
>
>Tony H.

Is is true the life expectancy of the plasma TVs is less than 10 years?

Betty

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On Friday, August 29, 2003, hominy cricket wrote:
> Indeed.  And, speaking of crowds, this weekend
> is Southern Decadence.  Things were already in
> full swing last night.

What the heck is Southern Decadence? Sounds like something one might
celebrate on a daily basis...

Karen

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Petits Propos Culinaires 17 (June 1984) has a nifty little essay by one
Maggie Black on the subject of George Orwell's taste in food.

On the subject of potatoes, Orwell wrote: "There are various ways of cooking
potatoes which are peculiar to our own country.  Where else do you see
potatoes roasted under the joint, which is far and away the best way of
cooking them?  Or the delicious potato cakes that you get in the north of
England?  And it is far better to to cook new potatoes in the English way -
that is boiled with mint and then served with a little butter or margarine -
than to fry them as is done in most countries."


In an essay entitled "In Defence of English Cooking" he identified his
favorite English delicacies: kippers, Yorkshire pudding, Devonshire cream,
English puddings, notably treacle tart and apple dumplings, dark plum cake,
horseradish sauce, redcurrant jelly with mutton or hare, Oxford marmalade,
and marrow jam.  He considered stilton the best cheese of its type in the
world, with Wensleydale a close second.

On the subject of apples, he rated Cox's Orange Pippins the best.

In an autobiographical note, he indicated, "I like English cookery and and
English beer, French red wines, Spanish white wines, Indian tea, strong
tobacco, coal fires, candlelight, and comfortable chairs."  He disliked big
towns, noise, and tinned food.

"Food facts," Black writes, "played a distinct part in the development of
Orwell's left-wing political thinking, but the food which he mentioned in
his writings (except in some of his wartime commentaries) was nearly all bad
food."

Black proposes this as an Orwellian menu:

Kipper pate, with Dark Rye BRead
Cream of Haricot Soup
Grilled Chicken, Bread Sauce
New Potatoes with Mint
Green Beans with Sage
Catalan Salad with Ham, Anchovies, and Egg
English Apple Fool: Shortbread Fingers
Stilton Cheese: Crusty Bread
Cafe Filtre: Chocolates.

I haven't been able to come up with a Newtonian menu, but perhaps there's
one buried someplace in PPC.  If not, this is an area that requires
research.  I wonder whether Gleick addresses Newton's dining preferences?

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On the outskirts of Montreal.

>Their address on the registration card was Laval.
>
>cwv

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It sounded like a recipe to me - but that may just be because it's lunchtime.
 
BrP
 
 


>>> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM 08/29/03 11:50AM >>>
On Friday, August 29, 2003, hominy cricket wrote:
> Indeed.  And, speaking of crowds, this weekend
> is Southern Decadence.  Things were already in
> full swing last night.

What the heck is Southern Decadence? Sounds like something one might
celebrate on a daily basis...

Karen

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Karen:
> What the heck is Southern Decadence?

One big party.

http://www.southerndecadence.com/

>Sounds like something one might
>celebrate on a daily basis...

Well, not me, but to each his own.

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>
> Is is true the life expectancy of the plasma TVs is less than 10
years?
>
> Betty

I have heard that's what they are
projecting. Maybe nobody really
knows.

          - D. M.

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>
> What the heck is Southern Decadence? Sounds like something one might
> celebrate on a daily basis...
>
> Karen

Sounds to me like something one
might celebrate once every ten years.

                   - D. M.

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Newton and veggies:

http://www.ivu.org/history/renaissance/newton.html

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A Southern Culture on the Skids boxed set?


>What the heck is Southern Decadence? Sounds like something one might
>celebrate on a daily basis...
>
>Karen

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On Thursday, August 28, 2003 at 19:43, Ann Borkin wrote:

> actually, I've been meaning to ask.  What counts as the modern scientific
> method?  Like, double blind studies?  Must be more than that.  Making it
> explicit?  I BET THAT'S IT, making it explicit.

The ever present possibility of falsification? The nature of a
theory.

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Making it explicit sounds more like "the pornographic method."

Borkin:
>
> > actually, I've been meaning to ask.  What counts as the modern
>scientific
> > method?  Like, double blind studies?  Must be more than that.  Making it
> > explicit?  I BET THAT'S IT, making it explicit.
>
>The ever present possibility of falsification? The nature of a
>theory.
>
>Tony H.

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On Friday, August 29, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>>
>> Is is true the life expectancy of the plasma TVs is less than 10
> years?
>>
>> Betty

> I have heard that's what they are
> projecting. Maybe nobody really
> knows.

Someone I know recently bought a refrigerator and was told that the
avg. life expectancy of a fridge is 6-7 years. That seems way too
young to me.

Karen

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On Friday, August 29, 2003 at 8:40, Betty Clark wrote:

> Is is true the life expectancy of the plasma TVs is less than 10 years?

I don't know. There are plenty of plasma devices around still working
happily after much longer than that. It was a popular display
technology for clock radios, microwaves, and the like starting in the
1970s, and those generally still work, in my experience. Quite
possibly the multi-colour, higher density stuff needed for TVs is
less stable, but I haven't followed the technology.

Tony H.

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On Friday, August 29, 2003 at 11:08, Doris Markland wrote:

> > Is is true the life expectancy of the plasma TVs is less than 10 years?

> I have heard that's what they are projecting.

No pun intended, natch.

Tony H.

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02003-08-29 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Friday, August 29, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> > So, Karen, when are you moving
> > to India?
>
> Better question, when will Tushar's visa be revoked.

Chin up and have faith in the dollar!

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On Friday, August 29, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-08-29 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Friday, August 29, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>> > So, Karen, when are you moving
>> > to India?
>>
>> Better question, when will Tushar's visa be revoked.

> Chin up and have faith in the dollar!

Ha. Ha.

Karen

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02003-08-28 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > > You should do that -- and do it repeatedly, like maybe through a sonnet
> > > sequence.
> >
> > That's a good idea, Dr Maynor.
>
> You could name it To Isaac.  No wait -- a better name would be Isaac and
> Applefell.

That kind of title invites tens of stanzas about shepherdess orgies
etc ... I am not a sellout, Dr Maynor.

> But, as you said, science hobnobbed with philosophy and occultism at
> that time.  He probably had an alchemy set in his basement as a child.
> And that would lure him toward hermeticism.  I bet he read the Kaballa
> late at night with his flashlight.

Newton turns out to be the "peerless alchemist" of Europe. The far
smarter people of the 20th century will understand that he contracted
some sort of mental disease and fell into superstition and madness,
but it was difficult to arrive at the obvious conclusion then. Stay
tuned for more updates.

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02003-08-28 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> Ah, now you've piqued my interest.  Did you buy this book?

Yes.

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02003-08-28 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > Which, by the way, I would like to contrast with these fakeass
> > pseudo-historic novels featuring weird alchemists, or abbotts
> > spouting signs-of-signs, etc. You know what I am talking about?
>
> No.  What?

Just a bunch of Umberto Eco-like crap.

> > And how about this--I have seen probably 20 poems mumbling about
> > the visions in Nietschze's syphilitic brain, and ONE pentametric
> > line mentioning Newton. Ever. Isn't this shameful?
>
> No.  Nietschze is fun to read, more fun probably than his biographies.
>
> And Newton?

My part of this thread could be summarized by saying that
I am completely bored with "fun to read". The quotations
from Newton in this book are quite well-written, actually.
Maybe learning Latin does it to you.

> > The book is also about beginnings--the chaos of ideas and the
> > excitement of the age, the formation of the Royal Society and
> > to an extent the modern scientific method,
>
> actually, I've been meaning to ask.  What counts as the modern scientific
> method?  Like, double blind studies?  Must be more than that.  Making it
> explicit?  I BET THAT'S IT, making it explicit.

Newton was one of the earliest to measure. By that I mean
measuring finely and taking the measurements as irreducible
facts, which need explanation in theory.

Now "scientific method" might be defined as all kinds of
Popperian crap, depending how anal you are ... I am using
the term loosely--the attitude that theories must fit facts
and that "facts" consist of precise measurable quantities.

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So all this interesting stuff about Isaac Newton prompts the meta-question,
"Did you buy this book?"?  That piques my interest.  Why does it matter
whether he bought it, stole it, borrowed it, or checked it out?    Does one
method of acquisition or another have different implications for you?

>02003-08-28 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > Ah, now you've piqued my interest.  Did you buy this book?

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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:

> So all this interesting stuff about Isaac Newton prompts the meta-question,
> "Did you buy this book?"?  That piques my interest.  Why does it matter
> whether he bought it, stole it, borrowed it, or checked it out?    Does one
> method of acquisition or another have different implications for you?

It was a JOKE which you DIDN'T CATCH.

Ann

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Ah, this might have had an effect on cookery;

>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
>>Newton was one of the earliest to measure. By that I mean
>measuring finely and taking the measurements as irreducible
>facts, which need explanation in theory.
>
>Now "scientific method" might be defined as all kinds of
>Popperian crap, depending how anal you are ... I am using
>the term loosely--the attitude that theories must fit facts
>and that "facts" consist of precise measurable quantities.

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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

>
> It was a JOKE which you DIDN'T CATCH.

Were you here when Bethany asked if anybody checked books out of the
library?  God the thread lasted long enough.

Ann

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02003-08-29 | Tony Harminc <tony@HARMINC.COM> writes:
> On Thursday, August 28, 2003 at 19:43, Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> > actually, I've been meaning to ask.  What counts as the modern scientific
> > method?  Like, double blind studies?  Must be more than that.  Making it
> > explicit?  I BET THAT'S IT, making it explicit.
>
> The ever present possibility of falsification? The nature of a
> theory.

Well that was probably not Newton's ideal--because if he had
any cultish adherence to it he probably wouldn't have moved
on to alchemy or theology. But he did have the "right attitude",
such as endorsing Baconian principles, pursuing "mechanical
explanations" of things, and denouncing multiplication of
hypotheses--apparently a characteristic of Cartesian
philosophy. ("And what certainty can there be in Philosophy
which consists in as many Hypotheses as there are Phænomena
to be explained.")

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02003-08-28 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Thursday, August 28, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > This is the first book I bought with the conscious intent of reading
> > more "science writing".
>
> He's the guy who wrote the popular book on chaos theory many years
> ago.
>
> > I wish the book had more matter and went slower. I will give
> > it an A.
>
> YaY!

You are a very kind and thoughtful person, K-r-n.

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02003-08-29 | Tony Harminc <tony@HARMINC.COM> writes:
> On Thursday, August 28, 2003 at 19:00, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > The book is also about beginnings--the chaos of ideas and the
> > excitement of the age, the formation of the Royal Society and
> > to an extent the modern scientific method, the fluidity of the
> > boundaries between "science", philosophy, and the occult, the
> > strangeness and variety of things which motivated "scientists"
> > then. And of course, the falling apple and the miraculous year.
>
> Just to, ahem, "push the envelope" a bit, have you read _Uncle
> Tungsten_, by Oliver Sacks, or _Boswell's Clap_ by William Ober?
> Neither is entirely or even mostly historical or biographical, but
> they are both written by scientifically literate men (indeed by
> scientists) with wide knowledge beyond their fields, and a fantastic
> sense of context.

No, I'll put them on the my "wish list" ... heh heh. That's
exactly the kind of book I want to read.

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On Friday, August 29, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-08-28 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Thursday, August 28, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > This is the first book I bought with the conscious intent of reading
>> > more "science writing".
>>
>> He's the guy who wrote the popular book on chaos theory many years
>> ago.
>>
>> > I wish the book had more matter and went slower. I will give
>> > it an A.
>>
>> YaY!

> You are a very kind and thoughtful person, K-r-n.

And you remain my own personal OREO-TU

Karen

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> On Friday, August 29, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> >>
> >> Is is true the life expectancy of the plasma TVs is less than 10
> > years?
> >>
> >> Betty
>
> > I have heard that's what they are
> > projecting. Maybe nobody really
> > knows.
>
> Someone I know recently bought a refrigerator and was told that the
> avg. life expectancy of a fridge is 6-7 years. That seems way too
> young to me.
>
> Karen

We just replaced our refrig in the basement.
It was 53 years old and still worked fine,
but the old models took a lot of juice.

                 - D. M.

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On Friday, August 29, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> We just replaced our refrig in the basement.
> It was 53 years old and still worked fine,
> but the old models took a lot of juice.

I didn't realize they had refrigerators that long ago.:)

Yes, fridges have improved dramatically in many areas. I like the fact
that I can take all the shelves and drawers out of my fridge and put
them in the dishwasher.

Karen

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02003-08-29 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> So all this interesting stuff about Isaac Newton prompts the meta-question,
> "Did you buy this book?"?  That piques my interest.  Why does it matter
> whether he bought it, stole it, borrowed it, or checked it out?    Does one
> method of acquisition or another have different implications for you?

I would not have bought it if it hadn't gotten dislodged from
the shelf and hit me on the head.

I was actually looking at a semi-fictional novel about some
idiot savant pianist in pre-WWII Zurich who left 7000 pages
of strange doodlings, and caused quite a stir in some avant-
garde literary club. It was so WEIRD it looked like it would
be fun to read. The lady who took care of him was also really
interesting. How they met, and the games the played on each
other, and the writers, and everything.

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02003-08-29 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> And you remain my own personal OREO-TU

A literate person would not abuse the vocative this way.

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02003-08-28 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> hand me the James Gleick, I need to get this out of my mind:

You can have my copy, if you send me YUKIKO'S SPINACH

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02003-08-29 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> "Food facts," Black writes, "played a distinct part in the development of
> Orwell's left-wing political thinking, but the food which he mentioned in
> his writings (except in some of his wartime commentaries) was nearly all
> bad food."

I don't understand why it is "bad food". This Maggie must be some kinda
corporate shill man ...

> I haven't been able to come up with a Newtonian menu, but perhaps there's
> one buried someplace in PPC.  If not, this is an area that requires
> research.  I wonder whether Gleick addresses Newton's dining preferences?

"A self-made elixir of turpentine, rosewater, olive oil, beeswax and sack."

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02003-08-29 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > Chin up and have faith in the dollar!
>
> Ha. Ha.

I conducted a brief survey among people I know from a local
newsgroup. The person who works at Motorola said he could
name a dozen people who don't have a job. In addition to
that, I got three responses saying a friend or friend-of-
friend was maybe out of work some time ago ... or something.
Everybody else has a job.

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> What the heck is Southern Decadence? Sounds like
> something one might
> celebrate on a daily basis...

Indeed, lifetimes of Southern decadence have passed by
my eyes, including my own.

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02003-08-29 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> lives on in dreams
>
> http://www.photographymuseum.com/mutter/library.html

Hey, that's not too far from "Billy Goat's"!

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--- Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> So all this interesting stuff about Isaac Newton
> prompts the meta-question,
> "Did you buy this book?"?  That piques my interest.
> Why does it matter
> whether he bought it, stole it, borrowed it, or
> checked it out?    Does one
> method of acquisition or another have different
> implications for you?


It gives insight into T.S.' character, is the meta-answer.

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 It was so WEIRD it looked like
> it would
> be fun to read.

Fie, fie.  Fun to read?

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in drag?
 
BrP
 
 


>>> lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM 08/29/03 02:52PM >>>
> What the heck is Southern Decadence? Sounds like
> something one might
> celebrate on a daily basis...

Indeed, lifetimes of Southern decadence have passed by
my eyes, including my own.

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On Friday, August 29, 2003 at 13:30, Karen Kay wrote:

> Yes, fridges have improved dramatically in many areas. I like the fact
> that I can take all the shelves and drawers out of my fridge and put
> them in the dishwasher.

This sounds like the punchline of a joke.

Natalie was suggesting that humour involves some kind of discrepancy.
I think the sudden and surprising resolution of the discrepancy is
what the punchline is about. The book _Mathematics and Humor_ by John
Allen Paulos talks about a lot of this.

Tony H.

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02003-08-29 | Tony Harminc <tony@HARMINC.COM> writes:
> _Mathematics and Humor_

LOL. :)

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http://news.com.com/2100-1022_3-5068795.html

"All this, in totality, seems to be impacting professionals in
the way in which they lead lives and the long-term prospects of
continuing careers in call centers,"

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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Friday, August 29, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>
>>>Is is true the life expectancy of the plasma TVs is less than 10
>>>
>>years?
>>
>>>Betty
>>>
>
>>I have heard that's what they are
>>projecting. Maybe nobody really
>>knows.
>>
>
> Someone I know recently bought a refrigerator and was told that the
> avg. life expectancy of a fridge is 6-7 years. That seems way too
> young to me.


        My parents' fridge just died.  It was 5 years old.

        Mine is 6 years old this month, and still going strong.

        Yeah, that does seem whay too young.  I have had many
25-year-old fridges in my life.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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On Friday, August 29, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-08-29 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> > Chin up and have faith in the dollar!
>>
>> Ha. Ha.

> I conducted a brief survey among people I know from a local
> newsgroup. The person who works at Motorola said he could
> name a dozen people who don't have a job. In addition to
> that, I got three responses saying a friend or friend-of-
> friend was maybe out of work some time ago ... or something.
> Everybody else has a job.

So?

Karen

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02003-08-29 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Friday, August 29, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-08-29 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> > Chin up and have faith in the dollar!
> >>
> >> Ha. Ha.
>
> > I conducted a brief survey among people I know from a local
> > newsgroup. The person who works at Motorola said he could
> > name a dozen people who don't have a job. In addition to
> > that, I got three responses saying a friend or friend-of-
> > friend was maybe out of work some time ago ... or something.
> > Everybody else has a job.
>
> So?

We all became great friends and are having our first FTF
this weekend!

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > You could name it To Isaac.  No wait -- a better name would be Isaac and
> > Applefell.
> That kind of title invites tens of stanzas about shepherdess orgies
> etc ... I am not a sellout, Dr Maynor.

I meant to say Applefell and Isaac.

> Newton turns out to be the "peerless alchemist" of Europe. The far

Ha!  I bet he was buddies with Thomas Vaughan.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> I would not have bought it if it hadn't gotten dislodged from
> the shelf and hit me on the head.

Just think.  If Newton hadn't invented gravity, that never could've
happened.

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02003-08-29 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > I would not have bought it if it hadn't gotten dislodged from
> > the shelf and hit me on the head.
>
> Just think.  If Newton hadn't invented gravity, that never could've
> happened.

Bacon invented it. Less "fiction" and more science writing please!

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> On Friday, August 29, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> > This is just stupid.  I've been to Bar Harbor and Quebec City in season as
> > well, and the Tokyo- Hong Kong comparison seems apt.  I doubt seriously that
> > a traveler from one city to the other would be suddenly overwhelmed by the
> > simple change in population density.
>
> Uh-huh. Well, you do it and let me know. I thought Hong Kong was much
> more crowded than Tokyo.

Wouldn't it depend on when and where in those cities?  I can't speak
with much knowledge of Hong Kong, having been there for only a few days,
but in my limited experience I would vote for Tokyo as being much more
crowded than HK.  I remember dragging my wheeled suitcase through crowds
on the streets of HK the night I arrived, searching for my hotel.  The
streets were what I would call <lively> -- there were plenty of people
on them, but dragging a suitcase was not impossible or even all that
difficult.  And in my wandering around the next few days I don't
remember noticing extreme crowdedness.

I don't think there is such a thing as being more crowded than certain
(most really) shopping areas in Tokyo on a Sunday or a holiday.  You
have to plan many meters in advance and start trying to inch over if you
see a store in the distance you might like to enter or get close to.
And even then you can't always succeed.  You are trapped in a mass of
moving bodies.  And then there are the trains and subways, where there
is not even a sixteenth of an inch between people.  You don't need to
worry about stumbling if the train lurches since there's no way to
stumble.  The crowd is totally solid.  And if you go out the door of
Ueno Station that leads toward the zoo, you'd better be planning on
going to the zoo since you are likely to be trapped in a crowd going
there.  But not all places in all parts of Tokyo are like that at every
hour of the day.  I will say, though, that in my short time in Hong Kong
I never saw the kinds of crowds I regularly saw in Tokyo.  Even way out
in Tokyoto, in my regular train-change at Takahatafudo, the station was
at times jammed.

I liked the Tokyo crowds.  I sometimes intentionally went to Shinjuku
Station at rush hour just to feel the excitement of all those people
rushing through the busiest train station in the world.

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hominy cricket wrote:

> http://www.southerndecadence.com/

A good one for talking about structural ambiguity in Intro to
Linguistics:

No Public Sex or Urination Allowed

The hospitals might be full of ruptured bladders if no urination is
allowed for the whole time.

Is Rusty, the grand-marshall, a male in drag?

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Marty Rosen wrote:
>
> So all this interesting stuff about Isaac Newton prompts the meta-question,
> "Did you buy this book?"?  That piques my interest.  Why does it matter
> whether he bought it, stole it, borrowed it, or checked it out?    Does one
> method of acquisition or another have different implications for you?

Those aren't the only means of acquiring a book.  Sometimes a book just
shows up in your mailbox looking brand new but with a note saying to
pass it along or give it to a library after reading it since that's what
she would've done with it anyway -- i.e., if she hadn't mailed it to me
to read.

I'm looking forward to my book, which was not bought, stolen, borrowed,
or checked out -- at least not by me.

Wordslers are good folk.  (I trust that you got my thank-you from my
other address earlier today, L.)

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Please apologize for my miserable life.  Would I have caught it had I read
the original message, rather than skipping it?

>It was a JOKE which you DIDN'T CATCH.
>
>Ann

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I didn't know that was going to be on the test.  Sorry.

>
>Were you here when Bethany asked if anybody checked books out of the
>library?  God the thread lasted long enough.
>
>Ann

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In a message dated 8/29/2003 9:17:59 AM Central Daylight Time,
dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:
<<
While others question and fuss about the price of gas, I question and
fuss about the price
of INK.

>>

And why are the three colors usually in one cartridge?
My favorite printer was the Canon with the individual
cartridges.

Evelyn Duncan
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People are not ruled by their memories.
Roger Smith

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Ah, so he did care about food;

>on to alchemy or theology. But he did have the "right attitude",
>such as endorsing Baconian principles, pursuing "mechanical

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This would make a zany reality show;

>I was actually looking at a semi-fictional novel about some
>idiot savant pianist in pre-WWII Zurich who left 7000 pages
>of strange doodlings, and caused quite a stir in some avant-
>garde literary club. It was so WEIRD it looked like it would
>be fun to read. The lady who took care of him was also really
>interesting. How they met, and the games the played on each
>other, and the writers, and everything.

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Probably an employee of MacDonald's.

>I don't understand why it is "bad food". This Maggie must be some kinda
>corporate shill man ...

Ach!  This is the secret recipe for Newton's Own salad dressing?!?!?

>"A self-made elixir of turpentine, rosewater, olive oil, beeswax and sack."

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> And why are the three colors usually in one cartridge?
> My favorite printer was the Canon with the individual
> cartridges.

Did I report that I thought my printer was going to make me have to buy
a new color cartridge a few days ago, even though I don't use color?
Suddenly the dead-cartridge light came on for the color.  I thought
maybe it was the black light also, so I changed that cartridge.  But the
printer still refused to work.  I've never bought a color cartridge.
The color one is the one that came with the printer back however many
years ago.  I've replaced the black one several times.  I ripped out the
color cartridge and threw it in the garbage can and tried again.  Still
wouldn't print.  Light was still on.  The next day on a whim I pulled
the color cartridge out of the trash can, crammed it back in, and
suddenly the printer worked again -- in b&w, I mean -- I have it set to
do just that.  What I'm worried about, though, is that I simply extended
the life of the presumably dried-up color cartridge by slinging it
around and that when it dries up again, the b&w will also quite working
again.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>What I'm worried about, though, is that I simply extended
>the life of the presumably dried-up color cartridge by slinging it
>around and that when it dries up again, the b&w will also quite working
>again.         -- Natalie

Possibly it just has to be in place.  It need not have ink in it.  The
machine just likes to know that it has all its parts.


bonnie

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I may just get creative.  Usually I follow recipes to the letter, except
for adding extra of certain kinds of things, like more oysters than the
recipe calls for in oyster casseroles.  Anyway, I've been pondering what
to take this year to the last-ever Chiggerfest.  It's going to be sad in
a way.  The hosts are retiring next July and moving to New Mexico (to
divide their time between there and the house they've kept in Berkeley
in all these years since grad school there).

The hosts cook dead animals outside, and the guests bring other food.
What I suddenly started thinking about was modifying a dish I sometimes
make and like very much.  It consists of cooked pasta (of the roundish
type, not the long type like spaghetti or fettucine), chopped celery,
sliced grapes, tunafish, and mayonnaise.  What I started thinking about
was turning it into this:  cooked pasta (of the type mentioned above),
chopped celery, sliced grapes, pine nuts, and olive oil.  How does that
sound?  I'll try it tomorrow in a very small quantity unless y'all
convince me that it sounds horrible.  If it tastes ok to me tomorrow,
then I'll make it for Chiggerfest.  Otherwise I'll do one of my other
regular Chiggerfest things.  It's too late to do marinated carrots since
they need to marinate for at least a week.  But I could do broccoli
salad or bean salad or any of various other things.  One year I took
green glob.  I love green glob even though it has long been <out of
fashion>.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >What I'm worried about, though, is that I simply extended
> >the life of the presumably dried-up color cartridge by slinging it
> >around and that when it dries up again, the b&w will also quite working
> >again.         -- Natalie
>
> Possibly it just has to be in place.  It need not have ink in it.  The
> machine just likes to know that it has all its parts.

But the machine wouldn't work after I had replaced the black cartridge
and not touched the color one at all.  That's when I yanked out the
color one and threw it away -- and the machine still wouldn't work.

When I told this story at lunch a couple of days ago, somebody said to
throw the whole printer away and get a laser printer -- that they were
available via techbargains.com for $79.  I checked on that and found it
to be true.  I was pondering it, even though I don't like the idea of
those expensive toner things (though people who have studied the
situation say that they're cheaper per page in the long run than inkjet
cartridges and that they don't ever dry up -- the one that came with the
printer would probably last me for years).  Anyway, it was while
pondering that that I decided to pull the color cartridge from the
garbage and try one more time.  And it worked, which means I didn't have
to ponder that laser matter anymore.

My printer is an Epson Stylus Color 740, fwiw.  If you're wondering why
I bought a color printer when I did not plan to print in color, the
answer is that I couldn't find any cheap b&w printers.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Natalie Maynor wrote:


> When I told this story at lunch a couple of days ago, somebody said to
> throw the whole printer away and get a laser printer -- that they were
> available via techbargains.com for $79.  I checked on that and found it
> to be true.  I was pondering it, even though I don't like the idea of
> those expensive toner things (though people who have studied the
> situation say that they're cheaper per page in the long run than inkjet
> cartridges and that they don't ever dry up -- the one that came with the
> printer would probably last me for years).  Anyway, it was while
> pondering that that I decided to pull the color cartridge from the
> garbage and try one more time.  And it worked, which means I didn't have
> to ponder that laser matter anymore.


        This is probably true.  Last year a friend of ours from
Youngstown State U. gave us an old LaserJet III that had
been decommissioned from University service.  The toner
cartridge has lasted nearly a year, and I've been doing a
ton of printing for school stuff.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>        This is probably true.  Last year a friend of ours from
>Youngstown State U. gave us an old LaserJet III that had
>been decommissioned from University service.  The toner
>cartridge has lasted nearly a year, and I've been doing a
>ton of printing for school stuff.
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

I love our LaserJet IIP plus.  I agree about the cartridges lasting a long,
long time.


bonnie

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In a CBS poll 51% said that things are "going well in Iraq."

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         This is probably true.  Last year a friend of ours from
> Youngstown State U. gave us an old LaserJet III that had
> been decommissioned from University service.  The toner
> cartridge has lasted nearly a year, and I've been doing a
> ton of printing for school stuff.

I should perhaps look again to see whether that $79 deal is still
there.  I hate putting something out to pasture when it's not dead, but
then I guess pastures aren't necessarily graves.  I could surely find a
pasture that would use my old printer.

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bonniev wrote:

> I love our LaserJet IIP plus.  I agree about the cartridges lasting a long,
> long time.

I am heading to techbargains.com right now to see whether the $79 laser
printer is still there.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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I didn't see that printer deal still there.  But there's this:

Free Doughnut, Aug 28
Krispy Kreme has a free Doughnut offer.

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On Friday, August 29, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> bonniev wrote:
>> Possibly it just has to be in place.  It need not have ink in it.  The
>> machine just likes to know that it has all its parts.

> But the machine wouldn't work after I had replaced the black cartridge
> and not touched the color one at all.  That's when I yanked out the
> color one and threw it away -- and the machine still wouldn't work.

I think Bonnie's right, it just had to be re-seated.

[about laser printers]
> I was pondering it, even though I don't like the idea of
> those expensive toner things (though people who have studied the
> situation say that they're cheaper per page in the long run than inkjet
> cartridges and that they don't ever dry up -- the one that came with the
> printer would probably last me for years).

My first toner cartridge lasted for several years; after that, I have
used about one/year.

> My printer is an Epson Stylus Color 740, fwiw.  If you're wondering why
> I bought a color printer when I did not plan to print in color, the
> answer is that I couldn't find any cheap b&w printers.

I bought this expensive laser printer (HP LaserJet 2100) many years
ago. 8, I think. I expect it to last forever.

Karen

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On Friday, August 29, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> One year I took
> green glob.  I love green glob even though it has long been <out of
fashion>>.

What is green glob?

Karen

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On Friday, August 29, 2003, Tony Harminc wrote:
> On Friday, August 29, 2003 at 13:30, Karen Kay wrote:

>> Yes, fridges have improved dramatically in many areas. I like the fact
>> that I can take all the shelves and drawers out of my fridge and put
>> them in the dishwasher.

> This sounds like the punchline of a joke.

Well, I don't leave them there...

Karen

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You need to read "The Namesake" by Jhumpa Lahiri. There's a boy named
Gogol in it.

Karen

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BrP:
> in drag?

Another popular on-SOMB is to
go shirtless and accessorize
with chaps.

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Natalie:
> No Public Sex or Urination Allowed
> The hospitals might be full of ruptured bladders
> if no urination is allowed for the whole time.

As long as you're catheterized, it's O.K.

> Is Rusty, the grand-marshall, a male in drag?

If you have to ask...

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On Friday, August 29, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-08-29 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> And you remain my own personal OREO-TU

> A literate person would not abuse the vocative this way.

I think twice about it...

Karen

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> > Is Rusty, the grand-marshall, a male in drag?
>
>If you have to ask...

One of the Endymion parades I saw had a dog as a Grand Marshall.  A real,
four-legged dog.


bonnie

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From: "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
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All went well at my closing today - there were 1-2 small surprises, but
no deal-killers. The sellers were lovely people and were delighted that
the buyer loves her new condo. Now the real fun starts ... at least I'll
be able to take a dip in the pool occasionally. I may get into the pool
for the first time during the f***ball game to be played in Neyland
Stadium tomorrow.

So I am a home-owner for the 2nd time in my life ... and tonight I will do
budget-planning.

Bethany

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  What I'm worried about, though, is
> that I simply extended
> the life of the presumably dried-up color cartridge
> by slinging it
> around and that when it dries up again, the b&w will
> also quite working
> again.


Although I've read that you shouldn't do this, I
sometimes prolong the life of my printer cartridge at
the office by removing it, gently shaking it, and
replacing it.  Probably something devastating will
happen to my printer one day.  But actually, it's the
City's printer, so what the hey.

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> What is green glob?

I'll bet you it is first cousin to the "pink Stuff" my
mother-in-law fixes.

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> One of the Endymion parades I saw had a dog as a
> Grand Marshall.  A real,
> four-legged dog.

Yes, but was his name Rusty?

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> > One of the Endymion parades I saw had a dog as a
> > Grand Marshall.  A real,
> > four-legged dog.
>
>Yes, but was his name Rusty?

Nope.  He was the star of some TV commercials at the time.


bonnie

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> Nope.  He was the star of some TV commercials at the
> time.


The Taco Bell dog?


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On Friday, August 29, 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> On Friday, August 29, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> 02003-08-29 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>>> And you remain my own personal OREO-TU

>> A literate person would not abuse the vocative this way.

> I think twice about it...
   ^did

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> On Friday, August 29, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > bonniev wrote:
> >> Possibly it just has to be in place.  It need not have ink in it.  The
> >> machine just likes to know that it has all its parts.
>
> > But the machine wouldn't work after I had replaced the black cartridge
> > and not touched the color one at all.  That's when I yanked out the
> > color one and threw it away -- and the machine still wouldn't work.
>
> I think Bonnie's right, it just had to be re-seated.

But it had never been un-seated -- or at least not until the light came
on and the printer stopped working and I replaced the black cartridge
(which might not have needed replacing) and the printer still didn't
work and I unseated the color cartridge and threw it into the trash
can.  Do you mean that maybe cartridges are happier if they get yanked
out occasionally and then stuck back in?

> My first toner cartridge lasted for several years; after that, I have
> used about one/year.

I am definitely considering this possibility -- just not until my
current black cartridge dies or the printer stops working because the
unused color cartridge is misbehaving or whatever.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> What is green glob?

I haven't made it in years and can't remember what's in it -- but it
used to be everywhere.  It's green and sweet and tastes like lime and
marshmallow.  It's congealed.

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hominy cricket wrote:

> > The hospitals might be full of ruptured bladders
> > if no urination is allowed for the whole time.
>
> As long as you're catheterized, it's O.K.

But the festival info should have spelled that out, not entrusted it to
the judgment of the festers.

> > Is Rusty, the grand-marshall, a male in drag?
>
> If you have to ask...

I did ask.  Is she a she or a he?

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On Friday, August 29, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> I think Bonnie's right, it just had to be re-seated.

> But it had never been un-seated

That is unlikely.

> Do you mean that maybe cartridges are happier if they get yanked
> out occasionally and then stuck back in?

I wouldn't bother, unless it stops working, and then reseating
everything is the first thing I would try. Vibration over time can
cause things to be seated less firmly.

> I am definitely considering this possibility -- just not until my
> current black cartridge dies or the printer stops working because the
> unused color cartridge is misbehaving or whatever.

Wouldn't you rather give away a working printer? Good causes won't
take non-working computer equipment.

Karen

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> So I am a home-owner for the 2nd time in my life ...

Congratulations!

So there's a game in Kville tomorrow?  Don't you hate it when tv people
don't know how to pronounce Neyland.  On second thought, I bet you
don't.  It somehow bugs me.

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In a message dated 8/29/2003 9:16:46 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
<<
I haven't made it in years and can't remember what's in it -- but it
used to be everywhere.  It's green and sweet and tastes like lime and
marshmallow.  It's congealed.

>>

Sounds like the "Pistachio Delight" we sell at Reasor's.

Evelyn Duncan
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Lynne Weber wrote:

> Although I've read that you shouldn't do this, I
> sometimes prolong the life of my printer cartridge at
> the office by removing it, gently shaking it, and
> replacing it.

This is bad news to me -- confirming the suspicion I had: that my
printer worked again because of my jiggling of the color cartridge and
that my new black cartridge might not get to live a full life if the
color one gets stubborn again.  I hate that that good deal on the laser
printer has vanished.

> Probably something devastating will
> happen to my printer one day.  But actually, it's the
> City's printer, so what the hey.

That is my attitude toward my piece-of-junk office computer -- that
something really bad is going to happen to it soon and that I don't
care.  If I weren't retired, I would have gotten a better computer by
now, but I am not pushy about such matters as a part-time person.  Its
latest behavior is that the off/on switch won't work.  Actually the on
switch always works.  But the off one doesn't.  I found myself having to
hit it over and over and over again, sometimes resulting in the
computer's rebooting, sometimes finally making it turn off in the midst
of rebooting, etc.  I finally took a power strip to the office and am
now turning it off and on with the power strip.

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> So there's a game in Kville tomorrow?  Don't you
> hate it when tv people
> don't know how to pronounce Neyland.  On second
> thought, I bet you
> don't.  It somehow bugs me.

The majority of the SEC teams plays at one time or
another tomorrow.  Going through Knoxville on game day
is a big time headache; but so are Tuscaloosa,
Birmingham and Auburn.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I am definitely considering this possibility -- just not until my
> > current black cartridge dies or the printer stops working because the
> > unused color cartridge is misbehaving or whatever.
>
> Wouldn't you rather give away a working printer? Good causes won't
> take non-working computer equipment.

It would be non-working only because the cartridges were dead.  Are you
saying that the S.A. wouldn't take it if the cartridge had died -- even
if I gave them $30 to give to the buyer to buy a new cartridge?  If
that's the case, then I'll find somebody else to give it to -- as in an
ordinary person, not a charitable cause.  I feel sure that there are
students who would be happy to have it.

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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>The majority of the SEC teams plays at one time or
>another tomorrow.  Going through Knoxville on game day
>is a big time headache; but so are Tuscaloosa,
>Birmingham and Auburn.

It will be incredibly easy to go through Knoxville between about 2:59 and
5:40 p.m. tomorrow. Over 100,000 locals and others will be too busy to
drive. Gametime is a great time to shop.

Bethany

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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Congratulations!

Thank you.

>So there's a game in Kville tomorrow?  Don't you hate it when tv people
>don't know how to pronounce Neyland.  On second thought, I bet you
>don't.  It somehow bugs me.

Yes, of course I do - since I know several people who KNEW the general.
It's a losing battle, though ...

Bethany

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  But the off one doesn't.  I
> found myself having to
> hit it over and over and over again, sometimes
> resulting in the
> computer's rebooting, sometimes finally making it
> turn off in the midst
> of rebooting, etc.  I finally took a power strip to
> the office and am
> now turning it off and on with the power strip.

You probably owe yourself a new printer at home.  Mine
is no great shakes, but it's sufficient to the
purpose.  Lexmark X75 All-in-One - its talents include
include bw/color printing, scanning, and FAX.  It was
like $59.95 at Wal-Mart.

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Lynne Weber wrote:

>   Going through Knoxville on game day
> is a big time headache; but so are Tuscaloosa,
> Birmingham and Auburn.

Yes.  I've had to go through Tuscaloosa on game days many times because
of SAMLA, which is often in Atlanta and which normally ends at noon on
Saturday, meaning that I normally leave Atlanta before noon on Saturday
and am traversing Tuscaloosa in the midst of game traffic.  Also
Birmingham, I guess, although I have no memory of game traffic there --
and I normally don't take the by-pass unless it's rush hour on a week
day -- I just head straight on through Bham since the by-pass seems way
out of the way (as does the more recent one in Tuscaloosa -- the toll
road -- I took it once but never again).  It seems funny to think about
heading through Bham on the interstate vs taking the interstate by-pass
of Bham since those are options I consider pretty recent history.  I
think Bham was the last city in the country to have interstates either
through it or around it.  Driving from here to Knoxville or Atlanta or
wherever used to take an hour and a half longer than it does now because
the interstates ended outside of Bham, and you were tossed rudely into
the traffic, inching along through Bessemer, Bham, and whatever the
other suburbs were.  It was horrible.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

>  Gametime is a great time to shop.

Indeed.  I love Sville in the middle of a game.  Ours tomorrow is a
night game, though -- and night-shopping isn't my wont even though Wmart
is of course open.  By the time tomorrow night's game starts -- way too
late imho -- 8 p.m. -- I will be settled in for the night.  I plan to
watch the beginning of it on tv and turn it off when we get depressingly
behind.

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> purpose.  Lexmark X75 All-in-One - its talents include
> include bw/color printing, scanning, and FAX.  It was
> like $59.95 at Wal-Mart.

I've heard about those combo ones.  Do all the different things work?
Some of the ones I've heard about also include xeroxing (i.e.,
photocopying).  That sounds appealing.  The fax possibility does also.

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 Driving from here to
> Knoxville or Atlanta or
> wherever used to take an hour and a half longer than
> it does now because
> the interstates ended outside of Bham, and you were
> tossed rudely into
> the traffic, inching along through Bessemer, Bham,
> and whatever the
> other suburbs were.  It was horrible.

When I first came to Alabama, the Red Mountain
Expressway was well under construction.  Twenty five
years later, they claimed it was completed.  You
couldn't prove it by me.

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> I've heard about those combo ones.  Do all the
> different things work?
> Some of the ones I've heard about also include
> xeroxing (i.e.,
> photocopying).  That sounds appealing.  The fax
> possibility does also.

Yes, it copies extremely well.  We haven't been able
to FAX with it yet, but I feel sure the fault is in
the operator.  It does scan well.

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I have just ordered from Amazon:  "The Seven Daughters
of Eve", "Isaac Newton", and a strange book I've heard
about called "e e cummings: Remembrance of Miracles"
:-]

Can't wait.

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On Friday, August 29, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> It would be non-working only because the cartridges were dead.

You know that, but they don't know that.

> Are you saying that the S.A. wouldn't take it if the cartridge had
> died -- even if I gave them $30 to give to the buyer to buy a new
> cartridge?

Ah, no. I was thinking of giving it to a charitable organization to
use.

Karen

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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>I have just ordered from Amazon:  "The Seven Daughters
>of Eve", "Isaac Newton", and a strange book I've heard
>about called "e e cummings: Remembrance of Miracles"
>:-]

Do you want a list of the type-os in that last item?

(If you want to see the original of the self-portrait of the dust jacket,
it can be seen in the Unitarian Church on Kingston Pike.)

Bethany

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I just realized that I only use my laptop when I'm travelling, which this year hasn't been so often.  Meanwhile, the thing just sits.  Please advise me.  Do I keep it plugged in?  Do I just turn it off and leave it in it's case?  Do I have to be concerned about the batteries?  

              - D. M.

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On Friday, August 29, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> I just realized that I only use my laptop when I'm travelling, which
> this year hasn't been so often. Meanwhile, the thing just sits.
> Please advise me. Do I keep it plugged in? Do I just turn it off and
> leave it in it's case? Do I have to be concerned about the
> batteries?

I have left a laptop sitting for a year without plugging it in and it
was fine. Another laptop needed to be plugged in before I could use
it. You probably can't go wrong charging it every six months or so.

Karen

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> On Friday, August 29, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> > I just realized that I only use my laptop when I'm travelling, which
> > this year hasn't been so often. Meanwhile, the thing just sits.
> > Please advise me. Do I keep it plugged in? Do I just turn it off and
> > leave it in it's case? Do I have to be concerned about the
> > batteries?
>
> I have left a laptop sitting for a year without plugging it in and it
> was fine. Another laptop needed to be plugged in before I could use
> it. You probably can't go wrong charging it every six months or so.
>
> Karen

Thanks, Karen.

      - D. M.

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On Friday, August 29, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>> On Friday, August 29, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>> > I just realized that I only use my laptop when I'm travelling, which
>> > this year hasn't been so often. Meanwhile, the thing just sits.
>> > Please advise me. Do I keep it plugged in? Do I just turn it off and
>> > leave it in it's case? Do I have to be concerned about the
>> > batteries?
>>
>> I have left a laptop sitting for a year without plugging it in and it
>> was fine. Another laptop needed to be plugged in before I could use
>> it. You probably can't go wrong charging it every six months or so.
>>
>> Karen

> Thanks, Karen.

Pete and Adam will have more authoritative comments.:)

Karen

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Good heavens.  In one fell swoop we went from the 90's to the 50's.  It's 57 right now
but we may get up to 75.  Time to open some windows.

                       - D. M.

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> Yes, it copies extremely well.  We haven't been able
> to FAX with it yet, but I feel sure the fault is in
> the operator.  It does scan well.

This is looking interesting, although I realize that it might not
eliminate my current problem -- of wanting to use only black ink but
perhaps having to buy color also to keep the printer happy.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > It would be non-working only because the cartridges were dead.
>
> You know that, but they don't know that.

You don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

> > Are you saying that the S.A. wouldn't take it if the cartridge had
> > died -- even if I gave them $30 to give to the buyer to buy a new
> > cartridge?
>
> Ah, no. I was thinking of giving it to a charitable organization to
> use.

I don't think there are many organizations of any kind that don't have
printers far better than this one.  In trying to thing of charitable
organizations (locally), I've thought of The Salvation Army, Habitat for
Humanity, Humane Society, and a thrift store for an orphanage in
Columbus.  I can check on whether any of them want a wimpy printer.

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>Driving from here to Knoxville or Atlanta or
>wherever used to take an hour and a half longer than it does now because
>the interstates ended outside of Bham, and you were tossed rudely into
>the traffic, inching along through Bessemer, Bham, and whatever the
>other suburbs were.  It was horrible.    -- Natalie

I remember when I-40 ended just to the West of Knoxville and one had to
take a highway through Rockwood/Harriman.  All along the road they sold
sets of cheap dishes and quilts.  It was sort of fun.  Then they built
I-40, hanging onto the side of the mountain.   And I remember when I-40
ended just east of Ashville and one had to drive through Hickory, North
Carolina.

And, of course, we all remember the many times that I-75 has slid down the
mountain on the Kentucky/Tennessee border or a rock slide has closed I-40
on the North Carolina/Tennessee border.

bonnie

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> > Nope.  He was the star of some TV commercials at the
> > time.
>
>
>The Taco Bell dog?

I honestly don't remember.  I think it was before the Taco Bell dog.  I
don't even remember what year it was.  Somewhere around ten years ago or a
little more.


bonnie

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>I have left a laptop sitting for a year without plugging it in and it
>was fine. Another laptop needed to be plugged in before I could use
>it. You probably can't go wrong charging it every six months or so.
>Karen

I let a laptop just sit for six years and now it is junk, at the bottom of
a landfill some place.  It wouldn't even turn
on.  Nothing.  Nada.  Dead.  Deceased.


bonnie

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At 07:51 AM 8/30/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
>Good heavens.  In one fell swoop we went from the 90's to the 50's.  It's
>57 right now
>but we may get up to 75.  Time to open some windows.

Not quite as dramatic, but that's what we experienced in the past
week.  Looks like we may in fact be into the beginning of autumn
weather---highs in the low 70s, lows in the low 50s.

cwv

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> >I have left a laptop sitting for a year without plugging it in and it
> >was fine. Another laptop needed to be plugged in before I could use
> >it. You probably can't go wrong charging it every six months or so.
> >Karen
>
> I let a laptop just sit for six years and now it is junk, at the
bottom of
> a landfill some place.  It wouldn't even turn
> on.  Nothing.  Nada.  Dead.  Deceased.
>
>
> bonnie

One person told me they just left their laptop plugged in all the time.
I don't know if that's
good or not.

              - D. M.

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At 07:53 AM 8/30/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Karen Kay wrote:
> > > It would be non-working only because the cartridges were dead.
> >
> > You know that, but they don't know that.
>
>You don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

You think people should feel indebted if you give them your old stuff, or
your new stuff for that matter?  They should just shut up and be grateful?

Betty

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Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>
>
>>I have just ordered from Amazon:  "The Seven Daughters
>>of Eve", "Isaac Newton", and a strange book I've heard
>>about called "e e cummings: Remembrance of Miracles"
>>:-]
>>
>
> Do you want a list of the type-os in that last item?
>
> (If you want to see the original of the self-portrait of the dust jacket,
> it can be seen in the Unitarian Church on Kingston Pike.)


        A paperback copy of Sons & Lovers that I read a few months
ago was full of errors.  I found it annoying.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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> > You know that, but they don't know that.
>
>You don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

>You think people should feel indebted if you give them your old stuff, or
>your new stuff for that matter?  They should just shut up and be grateful?

>Betty

... and is such "stuff" solicited? I could see that it might be a real PITA
to have stacks of semi-functional "stuff" because the donors wanted to "feel
good" about being "charitable."

AS

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>    A paperback copy of Sons & Lovers that I read a few months
ago was full of errors.  I found it annoying.

>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

Indeed.

What I find annoying is having to use "Nickel and Dimed" in my comp sections
this time. It is this year's "Freshman Reading Experience" text. The
students HATE it -- especially the nontraditional students. What a waste of
12 bucks. Ehrenreich spoke here on campus a couple of weeks ago, and her
presentation was flimsy. (JMW accompanied me.) However, having any sort of
reaction at all will give a lot of fuel to the requisite assignment.

Last year's text used was Rick Bragg's "All Over But the Shoutin'," which
went over much better.

AS

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At 08:25 AM 8/30/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > > You know that, but they don't know that.
> >
> >You don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
>
> >You think people should feel indebted if you give them your old stuff, or
> >your new stuff for that matter?  They should just shut up and be grateful?
>
> >Betty
>
>... and is such "stuff" solicited? I could see that it might be a real PITA
>to have stacks of semi-functional "stuff" because the donors wanted to "feel
>good" about being "charitable."

The Good Will store where Larry's sister used to work won't accept  any TV
sets because most of them were not functioning properly. They don't want
your junk. There are proper places to recycle without putting them in the
land fill.

Betty

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Lynne:

>"e e cummings: Remembrance of Miracles"
>:-]

>Can't wait.

While time for reading strictly for pleasure continues to elude me, I've set
out reading "The Canterbury Tales" for my Chaucer class.

If you had to devise a presentation on one of the tales, which one would you
choose?

AS

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>>... and is such "stuff" solicited? I could see that it might be a real
PITA
>>to have stacks of semi-functional "stuff" because the donors wanted to
"feel
>>good" about being "charitable."

>The Good Will store where Larry's sister used to work won't accept  any TV
>sets because most of them were not functioning properly. They don't want
>your junk. There are proper places to recycle without putting them in the
>land fill.

>Betty

Perzackly.

AS

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>
>
>The other pictures are a few of the general vicinity, including some of
>the Wheeler Cemetery, where some of the dead bodies may tie me to my
>dissertation director.
>
>http://maynor.net/Temp/Temp/

Why didn't you make an offer on the cabin?

Betty

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BF Clark wrote:
>
> At 07:53 AM 8/30/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > It would be non-working only because the cartridges were dead.
> > >
> > > You know that, but they don't know that.
> >
> >You don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
>
> You think people should feel indebted if you give them your old stuff, or
> your new stuff for that matter?  They should just shut up and be grateful?

??  I didn't say anything about gratitude.

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BF Clark wrote:

> >to have stacks of semi-functional "stuff" because the donors wanted to "feel
> >good" about being "charitable."

ROFL.  (And yes -- I do realize that there are plenty of people who
don't donate anything to anybody, whether it's blood or printers or
clothes or money.  I just find some of their reasons funny.)

> The Good Will store where Larry's sister used to work won't accept  any TV
> sets because most of them were not functioning properly. They don't want

It is of course appropriate for a potential recipient to say no to an
offered gift for any reason or no reason.

> your junk. There are proper places to recycle without putting them in the
> land fill.

Are people still mailing such junk to third-world countries?  I haven't
read anything about that lately.

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BF Clark wrote:

> >http://maynor.net/Temp/Temp/
>
> Why didn't you make an offer on the cabin?

What cabin?

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BF Clark wrote:

> >http://maynor.net/Temp/Temp/
>
> Why didn't you make an offer on the cabin?

I just clicked on the url and got the answer to the question I just
asked -- the house on the brow.  One thing I was confused about was that
I did make an offer on it.  I thought I had mentioned that back whenever
it was.  The offer was intentionally very low, and I decided not to go
on with the counteroffer/offer game since I had mixed feelings about the
wisdom of buying it.  So I just said no when the counter-offer came and
did not counter the counter.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> BF Clark wrote:
>
> > >to have stacks of semi-functional "stuff" because the donors wanted to "feel
> > >good" about being "charitable."

Before anybody leaps upon this as a terrible misattribution, let me say
that I did mean to change "wrote" to "quoted."  Although it's clear from
the > level, it is still easy to mistake those for BB's words.  Sorry
about that.  I had not seen the original she was quoting because I don't
always read all list mail.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 09:11 AM 8/30/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>BF Clark wrote:
> >
> > At 07:53 AM 8/30/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > >Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > > It would be non-working only because the cartridges were dead.
> > > >
> > > > You know that, but they don't know that.
> > >
> > >You don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
> >
> > You think people should feel indebted if you give them your old stuff, or
> > your new stuff for that matter?  They should just shut up and be grateful?
>
>??  I didn't say anything about gratitude.

Okay.  I'm sure you didn't mean that but what do you mean when you say "You
don't look a gift horse in the mouth.?"   Where does a statement like that
originate? What is a gift horse?  Why not look at him in the mouth?  Where
else would you look at him?

Betty

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At 09:17 AM 8/30/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>BF Clark wrote:
>
> > >http://maynor.net/Temp/Temp/
> >
> > Why didn't you make an offer on the cabin?
>
>What cabin?

That little cabin on Lookout Mountain in Mentone.

Betty

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At 09:19 AM 8/30/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>BF Clark wrote:
>
> > >http://maynor.net/Temp/Temp/
> >
> > Why didn't you make an offer on the cabin?
>
>I just clicked on the url and got the answer to the question I just
>asked -- the house on the brow.  One thing I was confused about was that
>I did make an offer on it.  I thought I had mentioned that back whenever
>it was.  The offer was intentionally very low, and I decided not to go
>on with the counteroffer/offer game since I had mixed feelings about the
>wisdom of buying it.  So I just said no when the counter-offer came and
>did not counter the counter.

Too bad you didn't have Bethany giving you advice then.

Betty

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In a message dated 8/30/2003 7:48:13 AM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
<<
This is looking interesting, although I realize that it might not
eliminate my current problem -- of wanting to use only black ink but
perhaps having to buy color also to keep the printer happy.

>>

Can't you buy a black cartridge to put in the color cartridge section?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
People are not ruled by their memories.
Roger Smith

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BF Clark wrote:

> > > You think people should feel indebted if you give them your old stuff, or
> > > your new stuff for that matter?  They should just shut up and be grateful?
> >
> >??  I didn't say anything about gratitude.
>
> Okay.  I'm sure you didn't mean that but what do you mean when you say "You
> don't look a gift horse in the mouth.?"

Yes.  To me that means that you don't do the kind of examining that you
would do if you were going to buy something.  If it's free, you've lost
nothing if you find that the horse's teeth show great age or whatever it
is that horse's teeth show.  There is, of course, the problem of having
to dispose of a horse carcass if you go on and accept the half-alive
horse.  (Or in the case of my old tv set that died enroute to
California, it wasn't entirely free for Karen because she paid the
shipping cost -- and also, of course, had to deal with the carcass.  But
it had been alive and well, though old, when it left my house.  We'll
never know what killed it enroute.)  Anyway, none of that -- disposing
of carcasses or whatever -- has anything to do with gratitude, as far as
I can see.  That was what I was questioning -- your mention of
gratitude.

> Where does a statement like that
> originate? What is a gift horse?  Why not look at him in the mouth?  Where
> else would you look at him?

I don't know when/where it originated, but I assume it has something to
do with studying the horse's mouth to determine age, health, whatever.
I've always assumed that a gift horse means a free horse somebody is
giving you.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Saturday, August 30, 2003, bonniev wrote:
>>I have left a laptop sitting for a year without plugging it in and it
>>was fine. Another laptop needed to be plugged in before I could use
>>it. You probably can't go wrong charging it every six months or so.
>>Karen

> I let a laptop just sit for six years and now it is junk, at the bottom of
> a landfill some place.  It wouldn't even turn
> on.  Nothing.  Nada.  Dead.  Deceased.

Were you surprised?

Karen

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At 09:22 AM 8/30/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> > BF Clark wrote:
> >
> > > >to have stacks of semi-functional "stuff" because the donors wanted
> to "feel
> > > >good" about being "charitable."
>
>Before anybody leaps upon this as a terrible misattribution, let me say
>that I did mean to change "wrote" to "quoted."  Although it's clear from
>the > level, it is still easy to mistake those for BB's words.  Sorry
>about that.  I had not seen the original she was quoting because I don't
>always read all list mail.

Not a problem.  That doesn't usually bother me unless it is something that
I totally disagree with.

We're going to my in-laws for waffles.  I hope there is butter on the
table. Bye!

Betty

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>Okay.  I'm sure you didn't mean that but what do you mean when you say "You
>don't look a gift horse in the mouth.?"   Where does a statement like that
>originate? What is a gift horse?  Why not look at him in the mouth?  Where
>else would you look at him?         --Betty

When one purchases a horse, one checks his teeth to make sure he is a
healthy horse.  But if the horse is a gift, then it would be an insult to
the giver to check the animal over before accepting him.


bonnie

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On Saturday, August 30, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> One person told me they just left their laptop plugged in all the time.
> I don't know if that's
> good or not.

I think it's neither good nor bad. It's a normal thing to do with a
laptop. People often leave them plugged in whenever they can.

Actually, more and more people I know are getting wireless cards for
them, and running wireless LANs in their houses.

Karen

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BF Clark wrote:

> >wisdom of buying it.  So I just said no when the counter-offer came and
> >did not counter the counter.
>
> Too bad you didn't have Bethany giving you advice then.

But I am not unhappy at how it turned out.  I still have mixed feelings
about its wisdom.  As I think we've discussed before, there are some
negatives about having a vacation home -- like doubling many routine
costs, perhaps feeling obligated to go to that particular place for
vacations when you might prefer to go somewhere else, etc. etc.  Otoh, a
pro of a vacation home is that you could presumably get the basic money
back if you decided someday to sell it and use the money for a nursing
home, whereas money spent on vacation rentals, whether long-term or just
short-term hotel rooms, is gone forever.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> Can't you buy a black cartridge to put in the color cartridge section?

Interesting question, but I think the answer is no.  They're totally
different sizes -- the black one much smaller than the fat color one.

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> > I let a laptop just sit for six years and now it is junk, at the bottom of
> > a landfill some place.  It wouldn't even turn
> > on.  Nothing.  Nada.  Dead.  Deceased.
>
>Were you surprised?
>Karen

Not at all.  It was dying already when I set it aside.  It had an internal
2400 modem which gives you an idea of its vintage.


bonnie

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BF Clark wrote:

> We're going to my in-laws for waffles.  I hope there is butter on the
> table. Bye!

Enjoy.  And yes -- waffles cry out for butter and syrup.  Breakfast is
the only meal that I associate butter with.  I've never found it
difficult to adapt to the French habit of butter on breakfast bread but
not on dinner bread, although I do put butter on bread I'm serving for
dinner in my house -- as in serving guests.

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In a message dated 8/30/2003 9:39:04 AM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
<<
Interesting question, but I think the answer is no.  They're totally
different sizes -- the black one much smaller than the fat color one.
>>

It's different from the Lexmark and most Canon printers I'm used
to.  They use the same size cartridges for both b&w and color.

Evelyn Duncan
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People are not ruled by their memories.
Roger Smith

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

>My printer is an Epson Stylus Color 740, fwiw.  If you're wondering why
>I bought a color printer when I did not plan to print in color, the
>answer is that I couldn't find any cheap b&w printers.
>
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>
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bonniev wrote:

> When one purchases a horse, one checks his teeth to make sure he is a
> healthy horse.  But if the horse is a gift, then it would be an insult to
> the giver to check the animal over before accepting him.

That's a slightly different angle from the way I think of it.  I can see
how it is true, of course, and also how it might suggest something about
what BB was talking about re "gratitude."  I was thinking of it more
like pulling the CD player out of the garbage at my apt building in
Japan.  There was no giver around for me to insult or not insult or
thank or not thank.  But I didn't stand there examining it with great
care since I had nothing to lose by taking it, except maybe a few
minutes of trying to make it work and having wasted those minutes if I
didn't succeed or having an extra item in my garbage when I took it
downstairs (and, of course, the usual concentration required to make
sure I was putting the right garbage in the right bin since I couldn't
read the Japanese signs on the bins -- but that became pretty easy after
a while).  I did succeed in making the CD player work, I might add.  All
it needed was a bit of cleaning, and it worked fine.  I think it's now
in Price Caldwell's apartment in Hino-shi, still working fine.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Actually, more and more people I know are getting wireless cards for
> them, and running wireless LANs in their houses.

Yes.  I've heard lots of people talking about doing that.

Re laptops, that cheap Dell special is available again -- or something
close to it -- the Inspiron 1100.  Maybe I should go that route instead
of waiting for a higher-up Dell (or whatever) to come along.  I don't
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Rita Leonard wrote:

> Doesn't Epson provide the option, as Canon does, of getting a jumbo all
> black ink cartridge?  If so, I think you should investigate that.  You
> would have a lot longer interval between cartridge changes then.  Again,
> speaking only for the Canon printer that I am familiar with, all that
> needs to be done as far as configuration, is to select black ink only in
> the printing options window.

I have black selected for printing options.  The thought of the jumbo
black cartridge is interesting.  I should explore that.  But wouldn't
the setting on black only mean that it used just the regular-sized black
one?  Like how would it know to use the jumbo black one that's sitting
in the color-cartridge place?

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Well, again, I can only speak for the Canon but the jumbo cartridge
replaces both the black and the color.  It is large enough to fill the
entire receptacle.  The printer then "understands" from the chip on the
cartridge that it has no color ink.

Rita L.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Rita Leonard wrote:
>
>
>
>>Doesn't Epson provide the option, as Canon does, of getting a jumbo all
>>black ink cartridge?  If so, I think you should investigate that.  You
>>would have a lot longer interval between cartridge changes then.  Again,
>>speaking only for the Canon printer that I am familiar with, all that
>>needs to be done as far as configuration, is to select black ink only in
>>the printing options window.
>>
>>
>
>I have black selected for printing options.  The thought of the jumbo
>black cartridge is interesting.  I should explore that.  But wouldn't
>the setting on black only mean that it used just the regular-sized black
>one?  Like how would it know to use the jumbo black one that's sitting
>in the color-cartridge place?
>
>--
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>
>

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Rita Leonard wrote:
>
> Well, again, I can only speak for the Canon but the jumbo cartridge
> replaces both the black and the color.  It is large enough to fill the
> entire receptacle.  The printer then "understands" from the chip on the
> cartridge that it has no color ink.

Interesting.  The receptacles are separate -- like there are walls
between them, but I guess a jumbo could be designed to allow for that --
to scale the walls.

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In a message dated 8/30/2003 9:58:33 AM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
<<
I have black selected for printing options.  The thought of the jumbo
black cartridge is interesting.
>>

The Canon jumbo black cartridge replaces both the regular black and
color cartridges.  I don't think that Epson has such a thing.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
People are not ruled by their memories.
Roger Smith

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>like pulling the CD player out of the garbage at my apt building in
>Japan.     -- Natalie

You could write a book or at least a poem:  The American dumpster picker in
Japan.


bonnie

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In a message dated 8/30/2003 10:01:23 AM Central Daylight Time,
leonard@BC.EDU writes:
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Well, again, I can only speak for the Canon but the jumbo cartridge
replaces both the black and the color.
>>

On your printer, do both cartridges fit in a printhead?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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Roger Smith

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bonniev wrote:

>> Okay.  I'm sure you didn't mean that but what do you mean when you say
>> "You
>> don't look a gift horse in the mouth.?"   Where does a statement like
>> that
>> originate? What is a gift horse?  Why not look at him in the mouth?
>> Where
>> else would you look at him?         --Betty
>
>
> When one purchases a horse, one checks his teeth to make sure he is a
> healthy horse.  But if the horse is a gift, then it would be an insult to
> the giver to check the animal over before accepting him.


        Actually, one checks a horse's teeth to assess the age of the
horse, not the health.




--
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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

>
>On your printer, do both cartridges fit in a printhead?
>
>
Yes, they do.  I think that is what I was trying to say in my
non-technical way when I referred to a receptacle.  It's too bad that
Epson doesn't do this.  It is very handy for me because I seldom do
color printing.  In fact, never would suit me just as well.

Rita L.

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Amy Burns Short wrote:

>
> What I find annoying is having to use "Nickel and Dimed" in my comp sections
> this time. It is this year's "Freshman Reading Experience" text. The
> students HATE it -- especially the nontraditional students. What a waste of
> 12 bucks. Ehrenreich spoke here on campus a couple of weeks ago, and her
> presentation was flimsy. (JMW accompanied me.) However, having any sort of
> reaction at all will give a lot of fuel to the requisite assignment.


        At least they get off relatively cheap.  I haven't read the
book, but I haven't heard much good about it and wasn't
impressed with a Fresh Air interview I heard.

        I'm not sure why one would want to give a presentation on a
Chaucer Tale at the graduate level.  Sounds like a high
schooley assignment to me.  Unless it is a presentation of a
paper or of a lesson plan, maybe.  Please don't tell me
they're having you do a "Poster Project" at that level.  In
which case you should do a collage to illustrate the Tale
with the most explicit blue humor.

        Besides reading for school and school, I'm doing Fraud by
Rackoff (good), Pere Goriot by Balzac (good), Peace like a
River by Enger (uneven).




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In a message dated 8/30/2003 10:29:28 AM Central Daylight Time,
leonard@BC.EDU writes:
<<
It's too bad that
Epson doesn't do this.
>>

The Epson and Lexmark cartridges have printheads built in.  But one big
difference between Espon and Lexmark is that the Lexmark black and
color cartridges are the same size.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
People are not ruled by their memories.
Roger Smith

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>        I'm not sure why one would want to give a presentation on a Chaucer Tale at the graduate level.

???

Perhaps clarification is in order. I don't always apprise the list of my <activities>.

It is an English graduate course in Chaucer for English-lit majors. This has nothing to do with the joint-doctoral program I'm in. I've completed the coursework for that.

I am taking a couple of English grad courses this time to round up my English grad hours to 18 (as opposed to TESOL). This is so I will be qualified to teach English comp/lit in addition to ESL and Ed courses in the Maricopa Community College system after I move to Mesa. 

It doesn't hurt that my future husband has worked there for 32 years ...


AS

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Karen Kay writes,

>Pete and Adam will have more authoritative comments.:)

I looked at:

<http://www.powerstream.com/Storage.htm>
<http://www.qsl.net/w8lrc/newsletter2003.pdf>

Assuming you've got NiMH or LiIon batteries, I'd store them:

* partially discharged (ideally around 40% of capacity)
* in a cool, dry place (10 to 20 degrees C)
* charge them at least once a year

So, if you're not using it, don't leave the laptop plugged in and charging.

NiMH cells will self-discharge, so presumably you don't have to do anything
special to discharge them before storage.

Pete

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On Saturday, August 30, 2003, bonniev wrote:
> You could write a book or at least a poem:  The American dumpster picker in
> Japan.

James Fallon wrote a nice article on this for The Atlantic.

Karen

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On Saturday, August 30, 2003, Rita Leonard wrote:
> It is very handy for me because I seldom do
> color printing.  In fact, never would suit me just as well.

Ha! My laser printer only does b&w, and I have wished for a color
printer.

Karen

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On Saturday, August 30, 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> On Saturday, August 30, 2003, bonniev wrote:
>> You could write a book or at least a poem:  The American dumpster picker in
>> Japan.

> James Fallon wrote a nice article on this for The Atlantic.

Fallows, of course.

Karen

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One new pair of Birkenstocks for sale.  Black/Gray gunmetal Leather nubuck uppers.
Regular price is $120.
They can be yours for a mere <b>$75</b>!

They are a 40 Narrow, which can really fit a regular size, it's just that Birks
tend to run large sometimes, hence the range from Ladies 9-10 and Men's 7-8.

<img src="http://www.baumhouse.de/shop/php/images/754043la.jpg">

Give me a call or email...
Thanks!

512-743-6239


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The olive oil didn't taste right on the stuff.  I should've divided it
and tried part of it with mayonnaise -- iow, only the pine nuts
substituted for tunafish would be different from the usual recipe.  I
think that would probably be good.  Maybe I'll try that later today.  Or
maybe I'll just be courageous and go on and plan on making it that way
for Chiggerfest.  It won't really matter.  There will be plenty of other
good things to eat there.  And there are always odd people who find odd
things good, so maybe there would be somebody who would like it no
matter what.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >like pulling the CD player out of the garbage at my apt building in
> >Japan.     -- Natalie
>
> You could write a book or at least a poem:  The American dumpster picker in
> Japan.

It is, or at least was, quite common.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> One new pair of Birkenstocks for sale.  Black/Gray gunmetal Leather nubuck uppers.
> Regular price is $120.
> They can be yours for a mere <b>$75</b>!
>
> They are a 40 Narrow, which can really fit a regular size, it's just that Birks
> tend to run large sometimes, hence the range from Ladies 9-10 and Men's 7-8.
>
> <img src="http://www.baumhouse.de/shop/php/images/754043la.jpg">

Why for me?  Not only would they be way too long and somewhat too narrow
(I wear 37 regular), but I don't think I would find them comfortable.
The only Birkenstocks I've ever had that involved a thong between the
toes were extremely uncomfortable.  I gave them to the SA quickly.

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I did find via that url, however, that Madrids are available there.  But
only in navy, which I don't need since my navy Madrids are quite
healthy.  I need some black Madrids.  I hate that Madrids are very hard
to find again, after getting easier to find for a while.  They are most
definitely my favorite Birks (for summer).

http://www.baumhouse.de/shop/php/images/040123la.jpg


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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> definitely my favorite Birks (for summer).

They're my favorite year-round -- as in there's no other shoe I would
rather have on my feet.  It's just that I don't wear them in winter
because my feet would get cold.  They aren't sock-type sandals.  The
only sandals I wear in winter are Arizonas with socks.  I wear clogs
most often (in winter).  Anyway, Madrids <rule>.

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On Sat, 30 Aug 2003, bonniev wrote:

>I let a laptop just sit for six years and now it is junk, at the bottom of
>a landfill some place.  It wouldn't even turn
>on.  Nothing.  Nada.  Dead.  Deceased.

If it's that old, it's just as well.

Bethany, who still has a perfectly functioning, basically useless 145B. It
served me well - I even took it to Australia in 1995.

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>Bethany, who still has a perfectly functioning, basically useless 145B.

They still get bought on eBay, for ~$10 - $91.

I wonder if the buyers know what they're buying.

Pete

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On Sat, 30 Aug 2003, bonniev wrote:

>When one purchases a horse, one checks his teeth to make sure he is a
>healthy horse.  But if the horse is a gift, then it would be an insult to
>the giver to check the animal over before accepting him.

If one accepts an other than healthy horse, one needs to be very realistic
about the medical or other bills one is signing on for. I don't know
anyone who would accept a gift horse without an examination. Horse
expenses is very little about purchase price and very much about upkeep.

Bethany

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I was just looking at recipes in recent Southern Livings and decided to
do blueberries, strawberries, cantaloupe, pineapple with orange-ginger
sauce.  Am about to head to Wmart in search of fruits and fresh ginger
and orange rind.  If there's no fresh ginger, I'll use bottled ginger.
It struck me that this is a time to take advantage of the bountiful
baskets of little orbs of health.  I have one basket of them in my
refrigerator, but I will buy more.

Ugh.  I should maybe wait until tomorrow to do this mission.  I just
thought about fb people everywhere.  Too bad it's not an afternoon game,
which would make this the perfect shopping time.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 12:16 PM 8/30/2003 -0700, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>>Bethany, who still has a perfectly functioning, basically useless 145B.
>
>They still get bought on eBay, for ~$10 - $91.
>
>I wonder if the buyers know what they're buying.

Well, they shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth!

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BF Clark wrote:
> >They still get bought on eBay, for ~$10 - $91.
> >
> >I wonder if the buyers know what they're buying.
>
> Well, they shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth!

They aren't gifts.  They're choosing to buy them.

I decided not to go to the grocery store.  Not only will the town be too
crowded, but it also just started pouring rain.  I am going to do house
duties instead.

--
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On Sat, 30 Aug 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:

>>Bethany, who still has a perfectly functioning, basically useless 145B.
>
>They still get bought on eBay, for ~$10 - $91.
>
>I wonder if the buyers know what they're buying.

Ahah! Perhaps they don't - and I can sell mine, complete with internal
(2400 baud) modem. (One of our computer gurus said it would make a fine
anchor for a very small boat.)

Thanks! I need to raise some extra cash for moving expenses. I have got to
figure out how to use eBay.

Speaking of which, does anyone here want a brand new (never worn) pair of
Birks -  Wellington Footprints, 41 = Ladies 10 M. (As Natalie has pointed
out, Birks run wide.) I wear a 41 N, and these black closed moccasin type
shoes are simply too large for me. They retail for well over $100 - I will
sell them postpaid for $75 (less if you will come to Knoxville and help me
pack).

Bethany

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Natalie Maynor:
= I did find via that url, however, that Madrids are available there.  But
= only in navy, which I don't need since my navy Madrids are quite
= healthy.  I need some black Madrids.  I hate that Madrids are very hard
= to find again, after getting easier to find for a while.  They are most
= definitely my favorite Birks (for summer).
=
= http://www.baumhouse.de/shop/php/images/040123la.jpg
=
=
= --
=  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

http://tinyurl.com/lpzk

In black.  $35.15, free shipping

But actually, you didn't look hard enough.  Baumhouse has them
too.

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The woman I planned to hire to thoroughly clean my new condo today is ill,
so I spent part of the day buying cleaning supplies and enough tp for 3.5
bathrooms, then I cleaned the 3.5 bathrooms (all except the tubs/showers -
I have not done those yet - and I am leaving floors other than the
carpeted area until after the move) and distributed cleaning supplies
among them. Next: I will clean all cupboards, all cabinets, the large
linen closet, etc.  - and put new shelf paper where appropriate.

There are so many built-ins that my relative lack of furniture will not be
a big issue in terms of basic functioning.

Then I must plan the sequence of steps that will get me moved before 9/30.
I spent a bit more before closing (on necessary minor repairs) than I had
budgeted, so I must plan carefully.

Bethany

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On Sat, 30 Aug 2003, steph wrote:

>http://tinyurl.com/lpzk

Thanks. The Wellingtons are $159.62 at that site.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> If one accepts an other than healthy horse, one needs to be very realistic
> about the medical or other bills one is signing on for. I don't know
> anyone who would accept a gift horse without an examination. Horse
> expenses is very little about purchase price and very much about upkeep.

My guess is that that expression originated in a time when many people
would have been willing to take a free sickly horse and work it until it
died.  Suddenly I am tearful again at a story my mother told me about
when she was a little girl and saw a man cruelly beating a horse because
the wagon was stuck in the mud.  She said that she ran home sobbing and
scared her parents with her uncontrollable tears.  That scene, even
though I didn't see it, remains vivid in my mind and brings tears every
time I think about it.  That horse and man have probably been dead for
more than eighty years now, yet my image remains.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Then I must plan the sequence of steps that will get me moved before 9/30.

It's nice that you have time for cleaning etc. before moving.  What you
described, however, isn't a joy limited to home owners.  Renters also do
things like clean bathrooms.

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On Sat, 30 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>It's nice that you have time for cleaning etc. before moving.  What you
>described, however, isn't a joy limited to home owners.  Renters also do
>things like clean bathrooms.

The last four moves I have made have been into premises cleaned for me,
once at my expense, three times at Kyle's expense.

Bethany

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steph wrote:

> http://tinyurl.com/lpzk
>
> In black.  $35.15, free shipping

THANKS!!

> But actually, you didn't look hard enough.  Baumhouse has them
> too.

Hmm.  I chose Madrid from their list and found only the navy ones.

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Check out qvc.com and search for  'birkenstock single band'.  They don't
call them Madrid but I saw several options that looked quite a bit like
them.

Rita L.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I did find via that url, however, that Madrids are available there.  But
>only in navy, which I don't need since my navy Madrids are quite
>healthy.  I need some black Madrids.  I hate that Madrids are very hard
>to find again, after getting easier to find for a while.  They are most
>definitely my favorite Birks (for summer).
>
>http://www.baumhouse.de/shop/php/images/040123la.jpg
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>
>

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Hey, I cleaned my bathrooms today, too!!!  It must have been
a WLM!!  I also did two loads of laundry, did you?



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Thanks again, Steph!

********
Thank you for your order at Birkenstock-cn.
04079 Madrid black - Birko-flor  1  $35.15 $35.15
   size: 37.0
   width: regular
04040 Madrid gold-brown - Birko-flor  1  $35.15 $35.15
   size: 37.0
   width: regular
06049 Boston black - velours leather  1  $68.83 $68.83
   size: 37.0
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Shipping: free airmail/land economy approx. 4-8 weeks - average 5 weeks:
$0.00
*********

Those are good prices.

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At 03:44 PM 8/30/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Hey, I cleaned my bathrooms today, too!!!  It must have been
>a WLM!!  I also did two loads of laundry, did you?

Three but I didn't clean my bathrooms. Company isn't coming.


Betty

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Rita Leonard wrote:
>
> Check out qvc.com and search for  'birkenstock single band'.  They don't
> call them Madrid but I saw several options that looked quite a bit like
> them.

Yes.  I've seen these (http://www.qvc.com/img/A/77/A106177s.jpg) in
other catalogues and have been tempted to try them at times when I
couldn't find Madrids.  But I'm afraid that that wide band might not be
comfortable.  I'm going to bookmark qvc.com, though.  And it is
<fitting> that you are involved in this search/discussion.  I well
remember talking to the man with the funny accent on the phone when I
was ordering Madrids that you had spotted for me in Boston.  I couldn't
figure out why he kept saying "ten" when telling me which colors they
had Madrids in.  *Finally* I realized that he meant "tan."

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >described, however, isn't a joy limited to home owners.  Renters also do
> >things like clean bathrooms.
>
> The last four moves I have made have been into premises cleaned for me,
> once at my expense, three times at Kyle's expense.

That isn't related to whether you're buying or renting, though.  The
person I bought this house from had hired cleaning people to clean the
day he moved out, which was the day before I moved in (though I actually
moved a bunch of fragile stuff that night).  But there was still much,
much cleaning to do.  Things like the stove and refrigerator and
counters and floors looked good, but there was <dirtiness> on high
shelves, along baseboards, etc.

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BF Clark wrote:

> At 03:44 PM 8/30/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> Hey, I cleaned my bathrooms today, too!!!  It must have been
>> a WLM!!  I also did two loads of laundry, did you?
>
>
> Three but I didn't clean my bathrooms. Company isn't coming.


        Well, I did my floors and stripped beds, too, but I was up
early this morning for some reason.  Then Ana and I went and
took our riding lesson together.  Ana continues to improve
wonderfully, while I made our instructor bend over laughing
a couple of times.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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On Saturday, August 30, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> If there's no fresh ginger, I'll use bottled ginger.

EEK! Bottled ginger is pickled. Not at all the same flavor.

Karen

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On Sat, 30 Aug 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> The last four moves I have made have been into premises cleaned for me,
>> once at my expense, three times at Kyle's expense.
>
>That isn't related to whether you're buying or renting, though.  The

In my experience, one is more likely to get the premises cleaned at
somebody else's expense if one is renting, not buying.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > If there's no fresh ginger, I'll use bottled ginger.
>
> EEK! Bottled ginger is pickled. Not at all the same flavor.

Pickled?  My little bottle of ginger doesn't look or smell or act
pickled.  I can't remember what I've used it in -- no doubt stuff for
xmas parties since the date on its top says 12/01 (which is much more
recent than the dates on most of my spice tops -- and I have a few with
no date, meaning that they predate my beginning the system of writing
the dates on them, which I did in the early '80s).

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At 04:43 PM 8/30/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Pickled?  My little bottle of ginger doesn't look or smell or act
>pickled.  I can't remember what I've used it in -- no doubt stuff for
>xmas parties since the date on its top says 12/01 (which is much more
>recent than the dates on most of my spice tops -- and I have a few with
>no date, meaning that they predate my beginning the system of writing
>the dates on them, which I did in the early '80s).

Toss them all and begin anew.

cwv

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02003-08-29 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Friday, August 29, 2003, Tony Harminc wrote:
> > On Friday, August 29, 2003 at 13:30, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >> Yes, fridges have improved dramatically in many areas. I like the fact
> >> that I can take all the shelves and drawers out of my fridge and put
> >> them in the dishwasher.
>
> > This sounds like the punchline of a joke.
>
> Well, I don't leave them there...

I think the joke is in the word "drawers". He he he he

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02003-08-29 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> You need to read "The Namesake" by Jhumpa Lahiri. There's a boy named
> Gogol in it.

This is the worst motivation for a book I have ever read.

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> >no date, meaning that they predate my beginning the system of writing
> >the dates on them, which I did in the early '80s).
>
> Toss them all and begin anew.

I think I did go through them in the last year or so and toss most of
the ones with no dates.  That sounds familiar to me.  Maybe I should
toss all of the pre-'90 ones.  Or maybe I should make a new rule and
keep them only five years.

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This weekend, Bonnie is working both days at the Hearthside.  The
Schwartz's are having a family weekend---Josh is home for a few days before
beginning his second year of graduate study at U. of Chicago
(philosophy).  I went out to Beech Hill farms this morning---the place was
mobbed.  I did manage to get away with some nice salad greens, garlic, and
blueberries.  Ordinarily, Bonnie takes a fruit salad to eat while she
inn-sits.  Tomorrow, she wants a fest-type green salad, which I now am
equipped to provide.

Also stopped at Graves---the local grocery store.  The conversation among
the couple of locals in the line and the cashier centered on how glad we
all were that August was behind us.  I recounted the notion that Ted, the
park ranger who had dinner at Red Sky with us on Thursday, has.  He
believes that there are pods which grow all summer and then release their
alien beings upon MDI in August.  The other locals more or less went along
with that.

This afternoon, I walked over to Parson's lobsters and bought a
couple.  Sere, our youngest cat and the one who goes crazy over shrimp but
ignores all other seafood, has decided that lobsters are really neat,
really large shrimp.  I steamed both lobsters for about five minutes and
then harvested the meat (with Sere trying to climb the kitchen
counter).  I'll saute one tonight with garlic and peppers and have with
pasta; the other will be frozen until I work up the courage to try lobster
risotto.  Right now, the carcasses are steeping on the stove with a little
bay leaf and fresh thyme, producing a stock for the risotto.  The aroma
(slight, but there) is driving Sere crazy---every time I walk into the
kitchen, she is my faithful companion.

It got a bit warm for an hour or so today, but now it is back into the 60s,
where it belongs.

cwv

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At 05:05 PM 8/30/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I think I did go through them in the last year or so and toss most of
>the ones with no dates.  That sounds familiar to me.  Maybe I should
>toss all of the pre-'90 ones.  Or maybe I should make a new rule and
>keep them only five years.

The conventional wisdom is that for most spices and seasonings, one year is
about the maximum before they lose their flavor.  I guess that I'd make an
exception for peppercorns (if stored well) and nutmeg, but for all ground,
chopped, or powdered stuff, I'd hew to that line.

cwv

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> (slight, but there) is driving Sere crazy---every time I walk into the
> kitchen, she is my faithful companion.

It was mean of you to buy only two lobsters!  Sere needs one of her own.

Suddenly I'm wanting lobster.  That house on Swan Lake has apparently
sold, btw.

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At 04:02 PM 8/30/2003 -0500, Rita wrote:
    Well, I did my floors and stripped beds, too, but I was up
>early this morning for some reason.  Then Ana and I went and
>took our riding lesson together.  Ana continues to improve
>wonderfully, while I made our instructor bend over laughing
>a couple of times.

Oh, I didn't realize that you were taking lessons, too.  Is Ana learning
about the caring of horses, too? Lilla is taking lessons, as well.

Betty

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> The conventional wisdom is that for most spices and seasonings, one year is
> about the maximum before they lose their flavor.  I guess that I'd make an
> exception for peppercorns (if stored well) and nutmeg, but for all ground,
> chopped, or powdered stuff, I'd hew to that line.

Hmm.  I should probably toss out my spice rack and consider new spices
part of the shopping every time I need spices.  I do sometimes use them
more than once in a year, I guess.  I had several of those job-candidate
parties close together last winter.  The only spice that I replace
fairly often (as in once every several years) is dry mustard since I do
manage to use it up.  Lots of my party foods involve dry mustard.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Saturday, August 30, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > If there's no fresh ginger, I'll use bottled ginger.
>>
>> EEK! Bottled ginger is pickled. Not at all the same flavor.

> Pickled?  My little bottle of ginger doesn't look or smell or act
> pickled.  I can't remember what I've used it in -- no doubt stuff for
> xmas parties since the date on its top says 12/01 (which is much more
> recent than the dates on most of my spice tops -- and I have a few with
> no date, meaning that they predate my beginning the system of writing
> the dates on them, which I did in the early '80s).

It's either pickled or dried, neither of which are the same flavor as
fresh. Freeze dried is okay, though--you might look for some if you
can't find fresh.

Karen

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On Saturday, August 30, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Hmm.  I should probably toss out my spice rack and consider new spices
> part of the shopping every time I need spices.  I do sometimes use them
> more than once in a year, I guess.

You could put some on your orange roughy.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> It's either pickled or dried, neither of which are the same flavor as
> fresh. Freeze dried is okay, though--you might look for some if you
> can't find fresh.

It's dried.  I can't imagine that it will matter much on just a sauce to
go over the fruit.  I will look tomorrow.  Decided against facing Wmart
on a game day.  I did go out briefly on some errands, and when I was
driving by my old house, being glad I'm not in that neighborhood this
weekend -- it was teeming with partiers, the renter was standing there
with the front door open, and I saw a dog behind him in the living
room.  I like that.  It feels good to know that a dog is living there --
which I already knew, of course, because I've seen the dog at the gate
at times and because I get extra money every month as a result of the
dog's being there, which strikes me as ridiculous since that house calls
out for dogs -- I would hate to think that a dog wasn't living there.
Dan Camp uses the same policies for my house, however, that he uses for
all his properties, and that means an extra $25 a month if the renter
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Karen Kay wrote:

> You could put some on your orange roughy.

I like my orange roughy <straight>.  Actually, I used to sprinkle
something on it -- some spice labeled "Marsha's spices."  It was
something somebody who used to work for my RRSIL gave my mother and me.
But I used it up.  I don't know what it was.  Every once in a while I've
cooked orange roughy for guests.  When I do that, I squeeze lime over
it.  This is a timely topic since I just set some or out to thaw, the
lobster talk having put me in the mood for fine dining.

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GI George toys:

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0829-07.htm

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At 05:14 PM 8/30/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>It was mean of you to buy only two lobsters!  Sere needs one of her own.

After watching her today, I believe that she probably could handle one of
her own---I might have to crak the claws for her, but I think she could do
very well with the rest.

This is my first lobster of the season.  The stock is beginning to smell
good.  Off to the saute pan.

cwv

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> This is my first lobster of the season.  The stock is beginning to smell
> good.  Off to the saute pan.

I heard on PRM a few days ago that the oyster crop is expected to be
especially good this year -- something about lots of rain.  Why would
oysters care how much it rains?  They're already wet.

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I googled for 'oysters rain' and found some <interesting stuff>.  The
first part of what I read said that Chesapeake Bay oysters were in short
supply because of drought -- that disease was caused by not enough
"freshwater flow into the bay."  But then there was something about how
too much rainfall led to closing things down because of possible
contamination from sewage.  I think the first part made clear the
connection, though -- that oysters catch diseases when it doesn't rain
enough.

http://www.seafood.com/news/current/88531.html

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bonnie:
>One of the Endymion parades I saw had a dog
>as a Grand Marshall.  A real, four-legged dog.

Spuds McKenzie, the Budweiser Party Dog, 1988.

Endymion is horrible.  Horrible.  An abomination
unto Carnival.

There, I've gone and said it.  Someone had to.

<F/X: cut to a shadow of Richard's head as a
jack-in-the-box>

The Krewe of Barkus, for what should be obvious
reasons, has a canine king and queen every year.

They are one of the two parades that goes through
the Quarter.

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Natalie:
>But the festival info should have spelled
>that out, not entrusted it to the judgment
>of the festers.

Ah.  Well, as it's an <adult party> I guess
they assume people make their own decisions.

>>> Is Rusty, the grand-marshall, a male in drag?
>> If you have to ask...
> I did ask.  Is she a she or a he?

I guess it's kind of like magic tricks; if you
know the secret, it ruins the illusion.

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On Saturday, August 30, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> It's dried.  I can't imagine that it will matter much on just a sauce to
> go over the fruit.

If it adds any taste at all, you'll be able to tell the difference.

Karen

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On Saturday, August 30, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I like my orange roughy <straight>.  Actually, I used to sprinkle
> something on it -- some spice labeled "Marsha's spices."  It was
> something somebody who used to work for my RRSIL gave my mother and me.
> But I used it up.  I don't know what it was.  Every once in a while I've
> cooked orange roughy for guests.  When I do that, I squeeze lime over
> it.  This is a timely topic since I just set some or out to thaw, the
> lobster talk having put me in the mood for fine dining.

You can use more than one spice at a time--you could use lime *and*
ginger.

Karen

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At 06:02 PM 8/30/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>I googled for 'oysters rain' and found some <interesting stuff>.  The
>first part of what I read said that Chesapeake Bay oysters were in short
>supply because of drought -- that disease was caused by not enough
>"freshwater flow into the bay."  But then there was something about how
>too much rainfall led to closing things down because of possible
>contamination from sewage.  I think the first part made clear the
>connection, though -- that oysters catch diseases when it doesn't rain
>enough.

Estuarine organisms (including oysters) live a rather precarious life.  Too
little fresh water inflow in times of drought increases the salinity of the
oyster's habitat, causing physiological stress and susceptiblity to
disease.  Too much fresh water is just about as bad---the surrounding
medium becomes more dilute and in addition to the physiological stress,
extreme freshwater flow usually does carry with it all sorts of
contaminants.  It is rather amazing that for all of the complexity and
potential problems, estuaries (and the salt marshes that usually border
them) serve as nurseries for so many marine animals that we depend upon for
food.

cwv

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Karen Kay wrote:

> You can use more than one spice at a time--you could use lime *and*
> ginger.

Does ginger go with fish?  Sounds strange to me.  I just ate tonight's
orange roughy, btw, and thoroughly enjoyed it.  There were no pollutants
of any kind on it (or at least I didn't add any -- who knows what might
have been added earlier) -- just pure orange roughy.  Ditto the couscous
and broccoli, although I do put a drop of olive oil and a pinch of salt
into the water to be boiled for couscous.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

>   It is rather amazing that for all of the complexity and
> potential problems, estuaries (and the salt marshes that usually border
> them) serve as nurseries for so many marine animals that we depend upon for
> food.

I had an oyster conversation with a knowledgeable-seeming waitress in a
small restaurant (maybe cafe is the better word) in Gulfport last month
-- that trip when I did cemeteries in Byram, then spent the night in
McComb, then went on to the Coast, then spent that night in Hattiesburg,
then met distant cousins in Columbia.  I asked her about the r-month
thing.  She said that she had been fooling with oysters for thirty years
and that she knew when they were good or when they might be questionable
-- and that they threw out any that were questionable.  She said that in
a decent establishment there was no reason to worry about r-months.  She
also said that that had nothing to do with cooked oysters, as in the
po-boy I ordered -- that it was only about raw oysters.

I don't eat raw oysters anymore.  I'm scared of them.  I never was
really a huge fan of them, although I liked the typical ambience of
eating raw oysters, whether in restaurants or out on a rough-hewn deck
over the water on a hot day with lots of beer and lots of raw oysters.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Saturday, August 30, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> She said that in a decent establishment there was no reason to worry
> about r-months.

I used to believe this, too--till I got food poisoning from oysters
eaten in a very nice restaurant in San Francisco.

Karen

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BF Clark wrote:

> At 04:02 PM 8/30/2003 -0500, Rita wrote:
>    Well, I did my floors and stripped beds, too, but I was up
>
>> early this morning for some reason.  Then Ana and I went and
>> took our riding lesson together.  Ana continues to improve
>> wonderfully, while I made our instructor bend over laughing
>> a couple of times.
>
>
> Oh, I didn't realize that you were taking lessons, too.  Is Ana learning
> about the caring of horses, too? Lilla is taking lessons, as well.


        I keep thinking I'll outgrow horses, but I'm apparently
stunted.  Horsemanship is part of the deal.  Last week she
cleaned a stall, even.  She isn't quite big enough to put
the saddle and bridle on her pony, though.  I have a great
deal of fun working with the beginner kids.

        Lilla and Ana will have to ride together next 'fest!



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Karen Kay wrote:
> > She said that in a decent establishment there was no reason to worry
> > about r-months.
>
> I used to believe this, too--till I got food poisoning from oysters
> eaten in a very nice restaurant in San Francisco.

Depends on what "very nice" means.  I think what she meant was a place
with people like her working there and putting the eye on the oysters.
This place was not at all fancy -- not anything that would remotely be
described as a "nice restaurant."  But I believed her about her (and
others') eagle eyes.  By "decent establishment," I think she meant with
good people like her eying the oysters as they came from the water
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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Lilla and Ana will have to ride together next 'fest!

I like that.  The childhood horse bond will make them good SILs.

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At 07:24 PM 8/30/2003 -0500, Rita wrote:

>        Lilla and Ana will have to ride together next 'fest!

Yes!  Which reminds me, William turns nine today.  How old is Ana?

Betty

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Your team whomped up on Southern.  I was just looking at online scores,
looking for SEC scores mainly, and I suddenly remembered your game.  It
took me a good while to find the score since I have no idea what
conference Southern is in -- and the scores are findable by choosing the
conference in the box if they're not in the top 25.  I finally found it
by remembering that the team we're playing tonight is PAC and guessing
that Berkeley might also be that.  Anyway, the Cal team romped all over
Southern.

Meanwhile, our hope of beating Oregon because they might not be able to
take the heat has been zapped.  This morning was cooler than it has been
lately but still had some nice humidity to deter the Ducks.  The brief
mid-afternoon rain, however, drained away the humidity.  It is cool and
non-humid now (relatively speaking -- i.e., relative to what might be
expected on Aug. 30).  So it looks as though we have to face them on an
even playing ground.  They bodes ill for us.  We are ranked below bottom
this year in every ranking.

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At 07:10 PM 8/30/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I don't eat raw oysters anymore.  I'm scared of them.  I never was
>really a huge fan of them, although I liked the typical ambience of
>eating raw oysters, whether in restaurants or out on a rough-hewn deck
>over the water on a hot day with lots of beer and lots of raw oysters.

I don't eat them either---I don't like them.  In fact, the only
shell-dwelling mollusks I really like are clams (steamed) or
scallops---dishes like clams casino or oysters Rockefeller are OK as
well.  Calamari I really like.

cwv

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At 07:41 PM 8/30/2003 -0500, Natalie wrote:
>Your team whomped up on Southern.  I was just looking at online scores,
>looking for SEC scores mainly, and I suddenly remembered your game.  It
>took me a good while to find the score since I have no idea what
>conference Southern is in -- and the scores are findable by choosing the
>conference in the box if they're not in the top 25.  I finally found it
>by remembering that the team we're playing tonight is PAC and guessing
>that Berkeley might also be that.  Anyway, the Cal team romped all over
>Southern.

Yes!  We watched most of it. Our defense is supposed to suck but the only
score they got was a safety. They, Southern, was supposed to be known for
their defense.   Ha! The final score was 34-2.   Go, Bears!


>Meanwhile, our hope of beating Oregon because they might not be able to
>take the heat has been zapped.  This morning was cooler than it has been
>lately but still had some nice humidity to deter the Ducks.  The brief
>mid-afternoon rain, however, drained away the humidity.  It is cool and
>non-humid now (relatively speaking -- i.e., relative to what might be
>expected on Aug. 30).  So it looks as though we have to face them on an
>even playing ground.  They bodes ill for us.  We are ranked below bottom
>this year in every ranking.

I'm sure Berkeley is, too. We've never been known to have a good football
team.  Kyle Boller, our quarterback last year, just got named to the
starting position for the Raven's though.  Happy for him.  He is a very
nice young man.

Betty

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in San Francisco makes me effing proud to live here.

They took the old SF Public library and used all the places where you
could get natural light into the building - opened up some, even - and
made just a beautiful efficient effective comfortable space to show art.
And the collection is world class.  And whoever planned the interior ways
of displaying, that person or those persons is/are brilliant.

I just saw the Korean, Chinese and part of the Japanese collection today.
And that felt like stuffing too much into a few hours.

You know I think the 3 essential places, for me, to visit in San Francisco
are 1. The Golden Gate Bridge, 2.  The Asian Museum, and 3.  The Camera
Obscura by the Clift Hotel.

Ann

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Since you have morphed into BK Clark, will you give
some consideration to changing your nickname from Bad
Betty to Naughty Betty?

It's not alliterative, but it has a ring...


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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> I don't eat them either---I don't like them.

There is something a bit off-putting about eating something that I
refuse to chew -- that I just dip in whatever sauce and let slide down
my gullet.

>   Calamari I really like.

Where is Elwood?  Calamari always makes me think of that funny moment
with Mary Ann in the restaurant wherever we were.

--
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    having turned off football, as I suspected I would early -- we
really SUCK

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  Or maybe I should
> make a new rule and
> keep them only five years.

It would be best to toss them once a year.  Stale
herbs and spices not only lose their pungency/aroma,
you will find yourself using twice as much to get the
desired flavoring.

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BF Clark wrote:

> score they got was a safety. They, Southern, was supposed to be known for
> their defense.   Ha! The final score was 34-2.   Go, Bears!

I know pretty much nothing about Southern's football since we're in
different conferences, but I do know that they sometimes show up with
pretty high rankings -- like people say things like, "Isn't it neat that
Mississippi has three teams in the top 25" (on those rare occasions when
MSU, Ole Miss, and Southern are all in the top 25).  I also think
Southern produced some famous pro player I've heard about.  I don't
follow pro football, but I think his name was something like Favre.

> >even playing ground.  They bodes ill for us.  We are ranked below bottom
> >this year in every ranking.
>
> I'm sure Berkeley is, too. We've never been known to have a good football
> team.  Kyle Boller, our quarterback last year, just got named to the
> starting position for the Raven's though.  Happy for him.  He is a very
> nice young man.

I don't know who the Ravens are, but that sounds nice.  Meanwhile, our
below-bottom ranking is now even farther below.  We're getting creamed
-- or at least that was the case when I turned off the tv in disgust.

--
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At 06:27 PM 8/30/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
>Since you have morphed into BK Clark, will you give
>some consideration to changing your nickname from Bad
>Betty to Naughty Betty?
>
>It's not alliterative, but it has a ring...

  I like it.  It's BF Clark, however.  Naughty, but nice.  I was "nice"
Betty when I joined this <service>. Tushar changed me.

Betty

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> It would be best to toss them once a year.  Stale
> herbs and spices not only lose their pungency/aroma,
> you will find yourself using twice as much to get the
> desired flavoring.

You and Clyde have convinced me.  But your last comment doesn't work.  I
wouldn't use twice as much because I always follow recipes.  If the
recipe says 1/4 tsp of cumin, that's how much I'll put into whatever it
is.  It would not occur to me to mess around with the measurements.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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In a message dated 8/30/2003 8:37:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
<<
I don't know who the Ravens are, but that sounds nice.
>>

Baltimore Ravens?  They used to be the Cleveland Browns
before Art Modell packed them up lock, stock, and pigskins
and carted them off to Baltimore.

Evelyn Duncan
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On Sat, 30 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

> Since you have morphed into BK Clark, will you give
> some consideration to changing your nickname from Bad
> Betty to Naughty Betty?
>
> It's not alliterative, but it has a ring...

I think Bitch Betty will do fine.

Ann

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> You could put some on your orange roughy.

Some what?

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At 08:31 PM 8/30/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Where is Elwood?  Calamari always makes me think of that funny moment
>with Mary Ann in the restaurant wherever we were.

Elwood and Mary Ann are at the Marin County Art and Quilt show this week
end. We were invited to meet them Sunday but we had a previous
engagement.  I asked Elwood to send photos of what they were exhibiting
though.  Elwood was going to make a dragon quilt one day, too, but Mary Ann
always has something exhibited. She has won many blue ribbons.

He reads the archives.


>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     having turned off football, as I suspected I would early -- we
>really SUCK

Yes. It's on ESPN2.  21-0

Betty

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At 09:40 PM 8/30/2003 -0400, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>In a message dated 8/30/2003 8:37:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
>natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
><<
>I don't know who the Ravens are, but that sounds nice.
> >>
>
>Baltimore Ravens?  They used to be the Cleveland Browns
>before Art Modell packed them up lock, stock, and pigskins
>and carted them off to Baltimore.

Yes.  They are all fickle.

Betty

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At 08:39 PM 8/30/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>is.  It would not occur to me to mess around with the measurements.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Live dangerously. Experiment.  A bit of this and a smidgeon of that.  A
pinch of whatever.

Betty

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At 06:35 PM 8/30/2003 -0700, BF Clark wrote:
 > I like it.  It's BF Clark, however.  Naughty, but nice.  I was "nice"
>Betty when I joined this <service>. Tushar changed me.

Horse hockey.

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At 07:41 PM 8/30/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Meanwhile, our hope of beating Oregon because they might not be able to
>take the heat has been zapped.

Indeed.  Oregon is up 28-zip at the end of the first quarter.  And USC
demolished Auburn.  Good weekend for the Pac 10 in the southeast  (they
aren't faring as well in Columbus, Ohio, however).

cwv

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At 06:43 PM 8/30/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>On Sat, 30 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> > Since you have morphed into BK Clark, will you give
> > some consideration to changing your nickname from Bad
> > Betty to Naughty Betty?
> >
> > It's not alliterative, but it has a ring...
>
>I think Bitch Betty will do fine.

That's my work name.  I even have a name tag made up by someone.  Head
Bitch Co-ordinator.

Betty

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  I asked her
> about the r-month
> thing.  She said that she had been fooling with
> oysters for thirty years
> and that she knew when they were good or when they
> might be questionable
> -- and that they threw out any that were
> questionable.  She said that in
> a decent establishment there was no reason to worry
> about r-months.

It was my impression that they were just more
plentiful in "R" months.

 She
> also said that that had nothing to do with cooked
> oysters, as in the
> po-boy I ordered -- that it was only about raw
> oysters.

> I don't eat raw oysters anymore.  I'm scared of
> them.

They scare me, as well, and I dearly love them. Why
can't they be farmed, like catfish, so that they can
be guaranteed disease-free?

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BF Clark wrote:

> He reads the archives.

HEY, ELWOOD!!  Please post.

> >really SUCK
>
> Yes. It's on ESPN2.  21-0

That's where I was watching it -- ESPN2.  But I turned it off at 14-0.
I think Jackie, our coach, made a big mistake when he panicked at the
end of two really bad seasons and fired Joe Lee Dunn, the Defensive
Coordinator.  I don't know anything about who he hired, but I think Joe
Lee should've been a keeper.  Jackie will be <punished> for his errors,
however.  Lots of people were pushing for ousting him last year.  He's a
goner for sure this year, unless something miraculous occurs.  There's
all this stuff about promising young players and the usual euphemism
about <a building year>, but the fans are getting impatient.  Tonight's
game had many empty seats, partly because of students leaving for a long
weekend but also because of disgruntled fans who didn't buy tickets this
year.

--
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BF Clark wrote:

> Live dangerously. Experiment.  A bit of this and a smidgeon of that.  A
> pinch of whatever.

Nah.  I got creative when trying that thing about substituting pine nuts
and olive oil and found the result not good.

--
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> I don't eat them either---I don't like them.  In
> fact, the only
> shell-dwelling mollusks I really like are clams
> (steamed) or
> scallops---dishes like clams casino or oysters
> Rockefeller are OK as
> well.  Calamari I really like.

Do you have what we used to call in New Jersey
"steamers"?  I believe they are now called "soft
shelled clams" though I can't think why.  They have
"tails" by which you dip them in butter.  The tails
must be digger/alimentary appendages.

The only calamari I've had were deep, deep fried and
not good for that reason.

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> You know I think the 3 essential places, for me, to
> visit in San Francisco
> are 1. The Golden Gate Bridge, 2.  The Asian Museum,
> and 3.  The Camera
> Obscura by the Clift Hotel.

What is Camera Obscura?  Dark secret?

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In a message dated 8/30/2003 9:20:18 PM Central Daylight Time,
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<<
>Yes.  They are all fickle.

Likewise, some years ago, Baltimore's team was sneaked
out in the middle of the night, literally.


>>

Yup, to Indianapolis.  That's why a lot of people in Cleveland
wondered why Baltimore would be a party to an action similar
to what was done to them.

Evelyn Duncan
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Roger Smith

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:17:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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This is about the Asian Art Museum again.

I'm thinking, out of all that I saw, what was the biggest surprise, other
than the knock-out museum in total?

-Thanks for asking!-

Well it was those maybe 19 or so porcelain (maybe) arhants.  They were
Chinese.  Maybe 4-6 inches tall.  Enlightened people, on the way to being
Buddhas.  Closest Western concept:  saints.

They were all laughing!  And each one was laughing not in a stylized way,
but HAR HAR HAR and hee hee HAA and each one was a different person.  With
a different laugh.

Well, a couple just smiled, being about to laugh, I suppose.

The other big surprise was a folded screen for a scholar's  room.  It
 it showed trompe d'oeil shelves of tablets and notebooks.  Or books.

(I mean not a rocky landscape or bamboo shoots or seascapes but SHELVES!
That was a surprise)

Ann

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>
> Don't oysters have to be a bit <nasty>?  I've always
> thought of them as
> cruising around the ocean bottoms eating doo-doo.
> That's been stored in
> my head for many, many years, in the same mental
> filing cabinet with
> "jello is made of horses' hooves."



And Dr. Pepper is made with prunes?

Surely Clyde can inform us about the oyster
farming/nastiness thing.

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> The other big surprise was a folded screen for a
> scholar's  room.  It
>  it showed trompe d'oeil shelves of tablets and
> notebooks.  Or books.
>
> (I mean not a rocky landscape or bamboo shoots or
> seascapes but SHELVES!
> That was a surprise)
>
> Ann

Thank you.  I suppose it would be too much to ask that
there be any links with photos of these museum works?


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Lynne Weber wrote:

> It was my impression that they were just more
> plentiful in "R" months.

I've always thought that they were <tainted> in non-r months.

> They scare me, as well, and I dearly love them. Why
> can't they be farmed, like catfish, so that they can
> be guaranteed disease-free?

Don't oysters have to be a bit <nasty>?  I've always thought of them as
cruising around the ocean bottoms eating doo-doo.  That's been stored in
my head for many, many years, in the same mental filing cabinet with
"jello is made of horses' hooves."

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> Yes.  They are all fickle.

Likewise, some years ago, Baltimore's team was sneaked
out in the middle of the night, literally.

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At 07:03 PM 8/30/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:

>Do you have what we used to call in New Jersey
>"steamers"?  I believe they are now called "soft
>shelled clams" though I can't think why.

I think that term is used to differentiate them from the very
robust-shelled surf clams (quahogs and the like).  The clams that I'm most
accustomed to are the the quahog types of the NC coast.


>The only calamari I've had were deep, deep fried and
>not good for that reason.

Lightly breaded, deep-fried calamari with a good marinara sauce are hard to
beat.  Of course, they can be sauteed without any breading.

cwv

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 I was "nice"
> Betty when I joined this <service>. Tushar changed
> me.

Tusher did it?  Aargh!

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At 07:25 PM 8/30/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:

>Surely Clyde can inform us about the oyster
>farming/nastiness thing.

Oysters, like the other shelled mollusks, are filter feeders.  They pretty
much sit there and extract food from the water.  This is why they often are
the cause of the so-called shellfish poisonings---because of the their
feeding habits, they can concentrate toxins if those toxins are in the
neighborhood.

There is nothing inherently wrong with filter-feeding, as long as the
environment from which the animals are feeding isn't rich in contaminants.

The only real difference between "farmed" oysters and the "wild" ones is
that the farmed ones attach to and grow on ropes or meshwork, rather than
attaching to the sea bottom.  Cultured or farmed oysters tend to be more
concentrated, which isn't as much of a problem for the oysters as it may be
for other organisms, which have to deal with the waste products of the
intensive oyster culture.

cwv

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> Indeed.  Oregon is up 28-zip at the end of the first quarter.  And USC

Oooh.  It's getting even better.  It was 14-0 when I gave up on it.
Jackie is duck meat.

> demolished Auburn.  Good weekend for the Pac 10 in the southeast  (they
> aren't faring as well in Columbus, Ohio, however).

I knew about the Auburn loss since I saw that when I was looking at
scores earlier.  And I think Auburn is ranked #1 in the SEC.  I should
be concerned, of course, at the way things are going since bowl games
played in by any SEC team mean money for all SEC teams.  But somehow my
sense of humor clicks in.  It's sort of like that softball experience
that I think I've mentioned before -- when two of us in our thirties
decided to join the Methodist Church's women's softball team.  We really
practiced -- the other person's husband threw pitches for us to bat at,
etc.  But we both were terrible (even though I had been pretty good in
childhood in playing baseball with the predominantly male neighorhood
gang).  This church softball team played Rock Hill Baptist Church one
night, and it was hilarious.  The game was called at the end of the
first inning because of some kind of rule of calling a game if it was
50-0 or whatever.  What was funny, though, was that the younger people
on our team were taking it all very seriously, while Jackie (unrelated
to Jackie Sherrill) and I were out there in the outfield (I think she
was center field and I was left field) rolling over in total hysterics
as the Rock Hill players kept hitting homeruns.  I don't mean that
Jackie and I were shirking our duties.  It's just that the balls never
came our way.  They went over the fence.  It was all hilarious.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 07:34 PM 8/30/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>On Sat, 30 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> >
> > What is Camera Obscura?  Dark secret?
>
>I would like -=+*Tushar*+=- to explain.  I ask that  -=+*Tushar*+=-
>explain.
>
>But until he gets here, I say, it's some kind of pinhole camera, some kind
>of you punch a hole in a black box, you get an interesting picture.
>
>What happens in SF, is you go in this dank dark hole and you watch this
>live action picture on a kind of huge disc.  It shows what's going around,
>around you.  I don't know how it works.  It shows the traffic lights, as
>they are changing!  And the seals on the rocks, very close to you.

The seals aren't on the rocks there. They are on pier 39 now. I never paid
to go into the Camera Obscura. Is it really worth it?  I do want to visit
the Asian Art Museum.

Betety

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> But until he gets here, I say, it's some kind of
> pinhole camera, some kind
> of you punch a hole in a black box, you get an
> interesting picture.
>
> What happens in SF, is you go in this dank dark hole
> and you watch this
> live action picture on a kind of huge disc.  It
> shows what's going around,
> around you.  I don't know how it works.  It shows
> the traffic lights, as
> they are changing!  And the seals on the rocks, very
> close to you.
>
> Well I know this is pretty pukey as an explanation.
> I am ashamed.

Cool.  I want to try it someday.


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On Sat, 30 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> What is Camera Obscura?  Dark secret?

I would like -=+*Tushar*+=- to explain.  I ask that  -=+*Tushar*+=-
explain.

But until he gets here, I say, it's some kind of pinhole camera, some kind
of you punch a hole in a black box, you get an interesting picture.

What happens in SF, is you go in this dank dark hole and you watch this
live action picture on a kind of huge disc.  It shows what's going around,
around you.  I don't know how it works.  It shows the traffic lights, as
they are changing!  And the seals on the rocks, very close to you.

Well I know this is pretty pukey as an explanation.  I am ashamed.

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On Sat, 30 Aug 2003, BF Clark wrote:
>
> Betety

Ha ha & ha!  Betety, that's a good name.

Well now I'll read what you wrote.]

Ann>

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> The only real difference between "farmed" oysters
> and the "wild" ones is
> that the farmed ones attach to and grow on ropes or
> meshwork, rather than
> attaching to the sea bottom.  Cultured or farmed
> oysters tend to be more
> concentrated, which isn't as much of a problem for
> the oysters as it may be
> for other organisms, which have to deal with the
> waste products of the
> intensive oyster culture.

An excellent explanation.  Thank you, Dr. V.  Natalie,
are you paying attention?


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> The seals aren't on the rocks there. They are on pier 39 now. I never paid
> to go into the Camera Obscura. Is it really worth it?  I do want to visit
> the Asian Art Museum.

Worth what?  I think it's worth the time for sure.

My time.  Don't know about yours.

OK, about camera/s/ae   ob/os/cur/a/ae

The experience I had that I want to have again, and probably won't unless
I build it myself,  is a camera obscura/oscura that was A WHOLE ROOM.
Somewhere in San Francisco, in some art gallery probably.

We sat in the room, and saw the reflections/shadows of trucks and other
traffic going by.  It was quiet in the large white-walled rooms, except
for the traffic noises.  I loved being there.  They had to drag me out.

Hope this helps!

Ann

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On Saturday, August 30, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> I just saw the Korean, Chinese and part of the Japanese collection today.
> And that felt like stuffing too much into a few hours.

Me, too.

> You know I think the 3 essential places, for me, to visit in San Francisco
> are 1. The Golden Gate Bridge, 2.  The Asian Museum, and 3.  The Camera

I've only ever heard this called the Asian Art Museum. Have they
de-emphasized the art?

> Obscura by the Clift Hotel.

Cliff House.

I heard once that there are 3 camera obscura in N.A. I've been to
three--that one, the one in Santa Monica, above the pier, and one in
Quebec... Damn. I forgot the name of the church. This was an NPR piece
about the one in the church.

I like Musee Mecanique better than that, though.

Karen

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Lynne Weber writes,

>Why can't they be farmed, like catfish, so that they can be guaranteed
>disease-free?

Maybe you want them depurated, like the oysters from New South Wales:

<http://tinyurl.com/lqub>
<http://www.fisheries.nsw.gov.au/aqu/oysters/oystind.htm>

Pete

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> We sat in the room, and saw the reflections/shadows
> of trucks and other
> traffic going by.  It was quiet in the large
> white-walled rooms, except
> for the traffic noises.  I loved being there.  They
> had to drag me out.
>
> Hope this helps!

Thanks.  I'm trying to imagine...  I think this is a
case in which you really have to be there.

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On Saturday, August 30, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> What is Camera Obscura?  Dark secret?

http://brightbytes.com/cosite/what.html

Karen

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On Saturday, August 30, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> Well it was those maybe 19 or so porcelain (maybe) arhants.  They were
> Chinese.  Maybe 4-6 inches tall.  Enlightened people, on the way to being
> Buddhas.  Closest Western concept:  saints.

arhat, I think.

> They were all laughing!  And each one was laughing not in a stylized way,
> but HAR HAR HAR and hee hee HAA and each one was a different person.  With
> a different laugh.

> Well, a couple just smiled, being about to laugh, I suppose.

Yep. There is a whole religious laughing tradition.

> The other big surprise was a folded screen for a scholar's  room.  It
>  it showed trompe d'oeil shelves of tablets and notebooks.  Or books.

> (I mean not a rocky landscape or bamboo shoots or seascapes but SHELVES!
> That was a surprise)

You need to get out more.:)

There's a fabulous screen in the Freer in Washington. It's a Chinese
porcelain screen, bright yellow, with pictures of babies playing. I
can't look at a Chinese baby without thinking of it.

Welcome to my world, Ms. Borinki. I'm glad you like it.

Karen

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> Maybe you want them depurated, like the oysters from
> New South Wales:

Poor things.  Sounds as though they're being prepared
for a colonoscopy.  As always, thanks for the info.

But I wish I had never read the two words "noxious fish".

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> On Saturday, August 30, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > What is Camera Obscura?  Dark secret?
>
> http://brightbytes.com/cosite/what.html


I'm sure now that we did something like that in
school.  I didn't recognize the phrase.

Thanks.

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On Saturday, August 30, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> On Saturday, August 30, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> > What is Camera Obscura?  Dark secret?
>>
>> http://brightbytes.com/cosite/what.html


> I'm sure now that we did something like that in
> school.

Yep, probably.

Karen

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> Yep, probably.

Alluding to the Asian Art thread, I know very little
about it, and have seen very little; but there was a
"traveling exhibit" once at the Birmingham Museum of
Art.  There was one vase - you could go around it and
around it, and it told a whole story.  Probably the
story changed with each observer, but it was so
beautifully done, and a complete jolt to the imagination.

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On Saturday, August 30, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> There was one vase - you could go around it and
> around it, and it told a whole story.  Probably the
> story changed with each observer, but it was so
> beautifully done, and a complete jolt to the imagination.

Why do you say the story changed with each observer? With each
observer, or each observation?

And why was it a jolt to the imagination?

Karen

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> Why do you say the story changed with each observer?
> With each
> observer, or each observation?

Well, I meant observer, but both are true.
>
> And why was it a jolt to the imagination?

Because in the past I guess I had thought of Asian art
as being rather formal, posed, sort of.  But, like
your playing babies, this was much more candid, casual
- hard to explain; so I began to imagine the figures
coming to life, going about their business within the
context of the depiction.  I imagined their
personalities and their interaction.

The colors were beautiful.  I have no memory of what
time period it represented.  It made a very strong
impression on me.
>
> Karen


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On Saturday, August 30, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> The colors were beautiful.  I have no memory of what
> time period it represented.  It made a very strong
> impression on me.

What colors?

Karen

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On Saturday, August 30, 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> On Saturday, August 30, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> The colors were beautiful.  I have no memory of what
>> time period it represented.  It made a very strong
>> impression on me.

> What colors?

Sometimes you can date it from the colors.

Karen
who really needs to go to sleep now

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> Sometimes you can date it from the colors.

I think red, yellow, and blue - vivid.  With white
flecks throughout.


> who really needs to go to sleep now

Well, it's nearing the reading hour for me.
Perhaps at another time, you can teach me just a bit
about Asian art.

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Ann Borkin:
= On Sat, 30 Aug 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
= >
= > What is Camera Obscura?  Dark secret?
=
= I would like -=+*Tushar*+=- to explain.  I ask that  -=+*Tushar*+=-
= explain.
=

You're right.  I'm not even going to try this time.  It's not
that I couldn't, but my follow through sucks.

I'm totally swamped with work - I probably was at work more than
60 hours last week, and I'm keeping someone who has lots to do
company today while I do some paperwork.

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At 08:05 PM 8/30/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:

>But I wish I had never read the two words "noxious fish".

Intensive culture of any organism has the risk of substantial disease
problems and concentration of contaminants.  Catfish farming may not have
had the problems of, say, salmon culture, but it's only a matter of
time.  Problems of mass culture will be with us for a long time.  Almost 10
years ago, the estimate of potential (wild) fish harvest was ca. 100
million tonnes and it was estimated that by 2025, an additional 60 million
tonnes would be needed to sustain the world's food requirements.  From what
we know about oceanic fisheries, the harvest has maxed out; the remainder
must come from aquaculture.

cwv

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> > my head for many, many years, in the same mental
> > filing cabinet with
> > "jello is made of horses' hooves."
>
> And Dr. Pepper is made with prunes?

Yes.  But at least with DP you had the chance to win by being found
drinking one at 10, 2, or 4.

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I've now received a couple of messages indicating that mail I sent had the
Sobig virus, that I should immediately scan my system and repair it.  The
latest purported to be from Wendy at <nz.nature.co.nz> and included a
<winmail.dat> attachment, which presumably contained whatever message I was
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cwv

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> An excellent explanation.  Thank you, Dr. V.  Natalie,
> are you paying attention?

Yes, I am.  And I am fascinated by the thought of oysters clinging to
ropes on osyter farms.  I wasn't aware that oyster farms existed.  It
does make you think they might be <cleaner>.  I was also interested in
the explanation of how the oysters suck in their food.  I'd always heard
that they are scavengers, but I imagined them sniffing around ocean
bottoms and choosing what to eat and that they simply preferred to eat
nasty things.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Why do you say the story changed with each observer? With each
> observer, or each observation?

Do you think that every observer imagines the same story when observing
any kind of artwork?  I don't.  I doubt that every person who looked at
the grecian urn, e.g., imagined the same things Keats did about the
lovers or the pipers or the sacrifice-goers.

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
>
> I've now received a couple of messages indicating that mail I sent had the
> Sobig virus, that I should immediately scan my system and repair it.  The
> latest purported to be from Wendy at <nz.nature.co.nz> and included a
> <winmail.dat> attachment, which presumably contained whatever message I was
> supposed to have sent.

I've been getting lots of messages like that, naming people I've never
heard.

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>It would be best to toss them once a year.  Stale
>herbs and spices not only lose their pungency/aroma,
>you will find yourself using twice as much to get the
>desired flavoring.

This is said like a real cook who actually tastes things and seasons them
to taste.  I'll bet Natalie, like me (if I ever cooked), just puts in the
amount the recipe calls for and hopes for the best, not actually being able
to taste the difference between one and two teaspoons of any aged spice.


bonnie

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>You and Clyde have convinced me.  But your last comment doesn't work.  I
>wouldn't use twice as much because I always follow recipes.  If the
>recipe says 1/4 tsp of cumin, that's how much I'll put into whatever it
>is.  It would not occur to me to mess around with the measurements.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Ah ha!   Told you so!


bonnie

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On Sunday, August 31, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Yes, I am.  And I am fascinated by the thought of oysters clinging to
> ropes on osyter farms.  I wasn't aware that oyster farms existed.  It
> does make you think they might be <cleaner>.

At least some of the oysters that made me sick were farmed.

Karen

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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/08/31/BU226337.DTL&type=business


Karen

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Pretty much what I'd been thinking.

Pete

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On Sunday, August 31, 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Pretty much what I'd been thinking.

Oh, I think lots of people were thinking this--but it was funnier to
read than just think it. Also, I didn't know all the details about the
sideways scan, etc. It *is* scary, especially in light of the current
devaluation of technical expertise.

Karen

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I was trying to find out what six states Howard Dean launched TV ads
in last Friday (I've been seeing TV ads here for him for several
weeks), and in the process came across this:
http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=1424017

WTF?! If the newspapers can't even spell lightning....

Lightening will forever make me thing of Anne Diffily.

Karen

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bonniev wrote:

> This is said like a real cook who actually tastes things and seasons them
> to taste.  I'll bet Natalie, like me (if I ever cooked), just puts in the
> amount the recipe calls for and hopes for the best, not actually being able
> to taste the difference between one and two teaspoons of any aged spice.

The only thing I would quibble with in your description is that
something about "just" and "hopes for the best" suggests that I am
following the recipe because it's easier rather than because I believe
that following a recipe carefully will lead to a better result than if I
experimented.  I am a great believer in trusting the judgment of those
who are trained in or skilled in whatever the subject is.  I never tell
my hair-cutter how to cut my hair.  I figure she knows much more about
hair-cutting than I do.  Ditto recipe-writers.  And then there's the
matter of taste buds.  My recipe-following is normally in preparation
for serving the food to guests.  Since I've noticed through the years
that many people like food doctored up in ways I don't much like, I
would not want to make judgments based on my own tastes.  I prefer food
to taste like what it is instead of like something else.  I don't want
vegetables to taste like dead-animal juices or salt, for example.  I
want them to taste like themselves.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> Pretty much what I'd been thinking.
>
> Pete

What do you think they will do with him?

             - D. M.

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BF Clark wrote:

> At 07:24 PM 8/30/2003 -0500, Rita wrote:
>
>>        Lilla and Ana will have to ride together next 'fest!
>
>
> Yes!  Which reminds me, William turns nine today.  How old is Ana?


        Happy Birthday, Will!  Ana's 7.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=700&scid=64

Not so backward after all...

I find the grounds for disagreeing with the SCOTUS quite interesting.

Karen

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http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2003-06-02-unsolved-usat_x.htm

says "States must perform DNA tests on evidence from unsolved crimes
and on convicted criminals and then enter the profiles into the
database..."

And also, about current cases vs. old cases: "A saliva sample from an
inmate may cost $50 or less to test.

"But DNA evidence from old cases can be more difficult to obtain and
more costly to test. Rockne Harmon, an Oakland prosecutor who
specializes in DNA evidence, spent about $25,000 last year to test DNA
from fingernail scrapings and other evidence from five unsolved
homicides of women going back to 1975. The DNA profiles matched a
convicted rapist-murderer."

Karen

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Are y'all also getting mail like this:

> Date: 31 Aug 2003 13:47:26 -0000
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> Hello maynor@ra.msstate.edu,
>
> We have received your request to join the greenlandic
> group hosted by Yahoo! Groups, a free, easy-to-use community service.
>
> This request will expire in 21 days.

The last one I got was about my alleged request to join a Hebrew language
study group.

   --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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On Sunday, August 31, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I am a great believer in trusting the judgment of those
> who are trained in or skilled in whatever the subject is.  I never tell
> my hair-cutter how to cut my hair.  I figure she knows much more about
> hair-cutting than I do.  Ditto recipe-writers.

But haircutters are licensed; recipe-writers are not.

Karen

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At 01:07 PM 8/31/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Are y'all also getting mail like this:
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> > Date: 31 Aug 2003 13:47:26 -0000
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No, that one I haven't seen yet---perhaps because gwi has a fairly
effective spam filter.

cwv

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At 01:19 PM 8/31/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:

>But haircutters are licensed; recipe-writers are not.

Indeed.

cwv

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Karen Kay wrote:

> But haircutters are licensed; recipe-writers are not.

Just as a haircutter passes a test or whatever to get a license, so the
recipes in Southern Living get tested before they're published, or so
I've read.

Meanwhile, I have new ginger.  When I got to Wmart, it occurred to me
that I wouldn't begin to know what fresh ginger looked like.  I saw some
gnarled root things labeled "ginger root" but didn't know whether that
was the same thing as ginger.  And I knew that I was not about to get
involved with cutting those hard-looking gnarls.  So I bought a new
bottle of ground ginger.  And I bought orange peel, which I assume is
the same thing as orange rind.  And I bought stawberries, cantaloupe,
pineapple, and another basket of little orbs of health.  In a few
minutes I'm going to make the sauce.  I'll administer it to the fruits
tomorrow.

Actually, I didn't find any orange peel/rind at Wmart, so I brought the
rest of the stuff home (too hot to leave it in the car) and then went to
Foodmax, where I found the orange peel and where I also bought one of
those scrumptious pizzas they have -- organic -- Amy Somebody.  Since I
rarely go to Foodmax, I had forgotten about those great pizzas.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
>
> At 01:07 PM 8/31/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >Are y'all also getting mail like this:
> >
> > > Date: 31 Aug 2003 13:47:26 -0000
> > > From: Yahoo! Groups
> > <confirm-s2-0OP4ULnCLOg=7meXgjQfEAaO9C8-maynor=ra.msstate.edu@yahoogroups.com>
> > > To: maynor@ra.msstate.edu
> > > Subject: Please confirm your request to join greenlandic
>
> No, that one I haven't seen yet---perhaps because gwi has a fairly
> effective spam filter.

What it looks like to me is not necessarily spam -- as in it's probably
innocently from Yahoo Groups.  It looks like some spammer or worm or
whatever is sending bogus signup requests to Yahoo.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 03:16 PM 8/31/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > But haircutters are licensed; recipe-writers are not.
>
>Just as a haircutter passes a test or whatever to get a license, so the
>recipes in Southern Living get tested before they're published, or so
>I've read.

And in some states your x-ray technologist isn't required to be
certified.  Go figure.  People care more about their hair than the amount
of radiation they receive.

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On Sunday, August 31, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> But haircutters are licensed; recipe-writers are not.

> Just as a haircutter passes a test or whatever to get a license, so the
> recipes in Southern Living get tested before they're published, or so
> I've read.

Perhaps, but not all recipe writers work for Southern Living. And
don't get me started on test kitchens...

> Meanwhile, I have new ginger.  When I got to Wmart, it occurred to me
> that I wouldn't begin to know what fresh ginger looked like.  I saw some
> gnarled root things labeled "ginger root" but didn't know whether that
> was the same thing as ginger.

It is.

> And I knew that I was not about to get
> involved with cutting those hard-looking gnarls.

It's not that hard when it's fresh.

> And I bought orange peel, which I assume is
> the same thing as orange rind.

It usually has sugar.

Karen

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On Sunday, August 31, 2003, BF Clark wrote:
> And in some states your x-ray technologist isn't required to be
> certified.

EEK! Where?

Karen

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--On Saturday, August 30, 2003 3:14 PM -0700 BF Clark
<bfclark2@comcast.net> wrote:

> Oh, I didn't realize that you were taking lessons, too.  Is Ana learning
> about the caring of horses, too? Lilla is taking lessons, as well.
>
> Betty

Lillia did a couple of riding camps.  William would like to go, but wants
to be in a group with some boys, not all girls! :-)

As Lillia gets ready for 7th grade, she's finding so many things she wants
to do and not quite enough time.  Maybe next summer we can have them both
take lessons.

Terry

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>
>As Lillia gets ready for 7th grade, she's finding so many things she wants
>to do and not quite enough time.  Maybe next summer we can have them both
>take lessons.

What I find interesting over the years is the dichotomy of those young
people who are bored all of the time and those who can't find enough time
to do all that they want.   What is at the root of the difference?

We just heard that Susan---who was here with her (now) fiancee in
June---has passed her examination and is now an internationally licensed
rowing referee.  In high school (in Oak Ridge) she was one who, if the day
had been 36 hours long,  would have filled it.  She still has that energy
and joy in life, as she begins the final stretch of becoming a physician
(orthopedics).

Then one sees the others--seemingly morose or sullen, and seemingly not
impressed with anything in life.

Whatever the cause/influence, may Lillia, Will, Ana, and Ed continue to be
ones who reach and stretch.

cwv

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Just as a haircutter passes a test or whatever to get a license, so the
> > recipes in Southern Living get tested before they're published, or so
> > I've read.
>
> Perhaps, but not all recipe writers work for Southern Living. And
> don't get me started on test kitchens...

And not all haircuts are administered by licensed haircutters.  But I
want to hear about test kitchens.

> > And I bought orange peel, which I assume is
> > the same thing as orange rind.
>
> It usually has sugar.

Which usually has sugar?  It doesn't really matter since this sauce
recipe calls for a good bit of sugar anyway.  I just made it.  But I
read something at the bottom of it indicating that you were expected to
chop up the rind of an actual orange -- something about being careful
not to get any of the bitter white stuff in it.  And the recipe says to
remove the ginger and orange rind after cooling the sauce and before
refrigerating it.  That's impossible.  They are <one with it>.  This
ginger was weird.  My old ginger is like powder -- you can see the
separate grains.  This new ginger is oozy, not powdery.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Yep. You can use a potato peeler and then chop it if you don't have a zester.

What's a zester?

> > And the recipe says to remove the ginger and orange rind after
> > cooling the sauce and before refrigerating it. That's impossible.
> > They are <one with it>.
>
> Only because you aren't using fresh ingredients. Their recipe would
> work if you used real orange and real ginger.

Is it ok that the ginger and orange peel are not removed?  There's no
way to remove them.

> >  This
> > ginger was weird.  My old ginger is like powder -- you can see the
> > separate grains.  This new ginger is oozy, not powdery.
>
> Ah, ginger-in-a-jar? That's closer to real ginger than powdered.

It says:
          Spice World
         quality since 1949
           Ginger
           ground

--
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On Sunday, August 31, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > Just as a haircutter passes a test or whatever to get a license, so the
>> > recipes in Southern Living get tested before they're published, or so
>> > I've read.
>>
>> Perhaps, but not all recipe writers work for Southern Living. And
>> don't get me started on test kitchens...

> And not all haircuts are administered by licensed haircutters.

No, but anyone cutting hair in a shop is licensed, whereas, only a
select few recipe writers have written Southern Living recipes.

> But I
> want to hear about test kitchens.

No, you don't.

>> > And I bought orange peel, which I assume is
>> > the same thing as orange rind.
>>
>> It usually has sugar.

> Which usually has sugar?  It doesn't really matter since this sauce
> recipe calls for a good bit of sugar anyway.  I just made it.

Indeed.

> But I
> read something at the bottom of it indicating that you were expected to
> chop up the rind of an actual orange -- something about being careful
> not to get any of the bitter white stuff in it.

Yep. You can use a potato peeler and then chop it if you don't have a zester.

> And the recipe says to remove the ginger and orange rind after
> cooling the sauce and before refrigerating it. That's impossible.
> They are <one with it>.

Only because you aren't using fresh ingredients. Their recipe would
work if you used real orange and real ginger.

>  This
> ginger was weird.  My old ginger is like powder -- you can see the
> separate grains.  This new ginger is oozy, not powdery.

Ah, ginger-in-a-jar? That's closer to real ginger than powdered.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Terry Wild wrote:
>
>
>>As Lillia gets ready for 7th grade, she's finding so many things she wants
>>to do and not quite enough time.  Maybe next summer we can have them both
>>take lessons.
>>
>
> Seventh grade is exciting.  Why, btw, do schools in the North start so
> much later than schools in the South?  Our k-12 schools started in early
> August.


        In Missouri, it's state law (or was until this year).  I
suspect it has something to do with The Harvest.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Terry Wild wrote:

> As Lillia gets ready for 7th grade, she's finding so many things she wants
> to do and not quite enough time.  Maybe next summer we can have them both
> take lessons.

Seventh grade is exciting.  Why, btw, do schools in the North start so
much later than schools in the South?  Our k-12 schools started in early
August.

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The Austin Music Channel is doing an hour on New Orleans, and I wanted
to wave, but I forget where you live, except that it's in the Qtr. Now
we're on St. Charles, but we started in the Quarter...

Karen

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02003-08-30 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> This is about the Asian Art Museum again.
>
> I'm thinking, out of all that I saw, what was the biggest surprise, other
> than the knock-out museum in total?
>
> -Thanks for asking!-

That's nbot the question anyone's asking, They are asking,
could you cut down on the coffee?

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > Seventh grade is exciting.  Why, btw, do schools in the North start so
> > much later than schools in the South?  Our k-12 schools started in early
> > August.
>
>         In Missouri, it's state law (or was until this year).  I
> suspect it has something to do with The Harvest.

Back in the olden days when we started school in mid-September in
Jackson, some of the country schools in the state started in late August
and then had a break of a couple of weeks that was supposedly for people
to do harvest stuff.  I'm not sure when early August became the starting
time.  I know why colleges moved it to August -- that was when the old
semester system that had exams in January got changed to make the
semester end before xmas.  And when the Starkville schools moved their
starting (and ending) dates earlier, I thought maybe it was to get it in
synch with MSU so that families could plan travel, etc.  But I've
noticed that the schools all over the state start early now.  Maybe it's
the same idea -- ending the first half of the year before xmas so that
students can take important tests etc. before the holidays.

--
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02003-08-30 | BF Clark <bfclark2@COMCAST.NET> writes:
> I like it.  It's BF Clark, however.  Naughty, but nice.  I was "nice"
> Betty when I joined this <service>. Tushar changed me.

Sure.

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02003-08-31 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Oh, I think lots of people were thinking this--but it was funnier to
> read than just think it. Also, I didn't know all the details about the
> sideways scan, etc. It *is* scary, especially in light of the current
> devaluation of technical expertise.

They are outsourcing 80,000 scanning jobs to SEEPZ by December!!!!

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 Rockne Harmon, an Oakland
> prosecutor who
> specializes in DNA evidence, spent about $25,000
> last year to test DNA
> from fingernail scrapings and other evidence from
> five unsolved
> homicides of women going back to 1975. The DNA
> profiles matched a
> convicted rapist-murderer."

Do you think it was worth it?


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> What I find interesting over the years is the
> dichotomy of those young
> people who are bored all of the time and those who
> can't find enough time
> to do all that they want.   What is at the root of
> the difference?

> Then one sees the others--seemingly morose or
> sullen, and seemingly not
> impressed with anything in life.
>
> Whatever the cause/influence, may Lillia, Will, Ana,
> and Ed continue to be
> ones who reach and stretch.

Almost certainly a huge part of it is the way they
were raised - both the go-getters and the sullen bad
apples.  But the go-getters really have a tougher row,
these days.  So IMO, those parents should get extra
bonus points.
>
> cwv


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> What's a zester?

A zester can take several forms - you can use your
regular four-sided grater.  But the best ones are
those little one you hold in one hand, and scrape
against the fruit rind.

> > > And the recipe says to remove the ginger and
> orange rind after
> > > cooling the sauce and before refrigerating it.
> That's impossible.

Any kind of a strainer will do, even a tea bag
strainer.  Just pour it through with a bowl
underneath.
> Is it ok that the ginger and orange peel are not
> removed?  There's no
> way to remove them.

Eating the result could be a bit hairy.  Use the
strainer.

> It says:
>           Spice World
>          quality since 1949
>            Ginger
>            ground

One hopes this is not the same 1949 bottle.:-]


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Doris Markland writes,

>What do you think they will do with him?

Dunno.  To be an effective "warning shot across the bow of hackers [sic]",
they'd probably have to treat him pretty harshly.

Pete

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> They are outsourcing 80,000 scanning jobs to SEEPZ
> by December!!!!

SEEPZ?


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02003-08-31 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> I think your point is a good one. I just wish I knew more about the
> testing, and why it's so much more expensive to test old evidence.

I have no opinion.

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>>  Rockne Harmon, an Oakland
>>> prosecutor who
>>> specializes in DNA evidence, spent about $25,000
>>> last year to test DNA
>>> from fingernail scrapings and other evidence from
>>> five unsolved
>>> homicides of women going back to 1975. The DNA
>>> profiles matched a
>>> convicted rapist-murderer."
>
>> Do you think it was worth it?
>
>Me? I have no opinion.

I do. Of course it was worth it. Justice was served.

Bethany

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On Sunday, August 31, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> What's a zester?

It removes the zest of citrus fruits.

> Is it ok that the ginger and orange peel are not removed?  There's no
> way to remove them.

If you can't, then it has to be okay. I was only pointing out that the
directions were for people using Real Ingredients. Which you were not.

Karen

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On Sunday, August 31, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>  Rockne Harmon, an Oakland
>> prosecutor who
>> specializes in DNA evidence, spent about $25,000
>> last year to test DNA
>> from fingernail scrapings and other evidence from
>> five unsolved
>> homicides of women going back to 1975. The DNA
>> profiles matched a
>> convicted rapist-murderer."

> Do you think it was worth it?

Me? I have no opinion.

Karen

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On Sunday, August 31, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> > > And the recipe says to remove the ginger and
>> orange rind after
>> > > cooling the sauce and before refrigerating it.
>> That's impossible.

> Any kind of a strainer will do, even a tea bag
> strainer.  Just pour it through with a bowl
> underneath.

I don't think the strainer would catch anything.

>> Is it ok that the ginger and orange peel are not
>> removed?  There's no
>> way to remove them.

> Eating the result could be a bit hairy.  Use the
> strainer.

She didn't use ginger OR orange peel; it won't matter.

Karen

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02003-08-31 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > Rockne Harmon, an Oakland prosecutor who specializes in DNA evidence,
> > spent about $25,000 last year to test DNA from fingernail scrapings
> > and other evidence from five unsolved homicides of women going back
> > to 1975. The DNA profiles matched a convicted rapist-murderer."
>
> Do you think it was worth it?

Does anybody think this is an assumptive question?

I wouldn't want this to go to its predictable arm-patting end,
with a call for some faith in the good old due process. The
entire point of DNA testing is that that faith has been shaken
and there is no going back.

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02003-08-31 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > They are outsourcing 80,000 scanning jobs to SEEPZ
> > by December!!!!
>
> SEEPZ?

I might have spelled it wrong ... replace it with "India"
are reread!

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On Sunday, August 31, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-08-31 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
>> > Rockne Harmon, an Oakland prosecutor who specializes in DNA evidence,
>> > spent about $25,000 last year to test DNA from fingernail scrapings
>> > and other evidence from five unsolved homicides of women going back
>> > to 1975. The DNA profiles matched a convicted rapist-murderer."
>>
>> Do you think it was worth it?

> Does anybody think this is an assumptive question?

> I wouldn't want this to go to its predictable arm-patting end,
> with a call for some faith in the good old due process. The
> entire point of DNA testing is that that faith has been shaken
> and there is no going back.

I think your point is a good one. I just wish I knew more about the
testing, and why it's so much more expensive to test old evidence.

Karen

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On Sunday, August 31, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-08-31 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> I think your point is a good one. I just wish I knew more about the
>> testing, and why it's so much more expensive to test old evidence.

> I have no opinion.

Well, of course, one doesn't need to have an opinion:  it is required
by law. ipso facto.........

Karen

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Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> > What's a zester?
>
> A zester can take several forms - you can use your
> regular four-sided grater.  But the best ones are
> those little one you hold in one hand, and scrape
> against the fruit rind.

I just used a little knife thing and raked off some of the side of the
orange -- just the very outer part.

> Any kind of a strainer will do, even a tea bag
> strainer.  Just pour it through with a bowl
> underneath.

But the ginger was totally dissolved in the water.  The little orange
peel stuff was visible, but not the ginger.  So I decided I was moving
too far away from the recipe and went out to Wmart and got some ginger
root, now that I understand it's ginger, and an orange.  I just remade
the sauce.

> > It says:
> >           Spice World
> >          quality since 1949
> >            Ginger
> >            ground
>
> One hopes this is not the same 1949 bottle.:-]

It hadn't been opened, so it was probably still ok.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > What's a zester?
>
> It removes the zest of citrus fruits.

Making them dull and boring?

> > Is it ok that the ginger and orange peel are not removed?  There's no
> > way to remove them.
>
> If you can't, then it has to be okay.

No, it didn't have to be.  I remade it.  The old sauce is now thrown
away.  (The new sauce, btw, tastes exactly like the old sauce.)

> I was only pointing out that the
> directions were for people using Real Ingredients. Which you were not.

I find that a ridiculous statement.  Of course I was using real
ingredients.  It's just that I had failed to read the whole recipe
before starting.  I readily admit that that was dumb.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> She didn't use ginger OR orange peel; it won't matter.

So what were those things I did use?  Should I sue Wmart and Foodmax for
claiming these things were something they weren't?  Or should I sue the
manufacturer?

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I was taking a cab home from my old home, and the driver's
cell phone rang. Going by his looks, I thought he was taking
an outsourced tech-support call. But his accent was not very
trained when he spoke.

For the rest of the ride I hear things like, what do you think
you are doing ... parents come FIRST ... but can you pay $4000
out of your pocket, NOW? ... don't say don't "worry" about the
"money" ... don't make it sound like I am an old man ranting
about money ... but can you? ... if she can't manage it you've
got to arrive at new rules ... again you say "don't worry" ...
I am not "worried" ... OK if this is going to be a fight I don't
want to talk ... fine, good luck ... blah de blah de blah ...

And on the radio, in English, Gretchen Helfrich (most probably)
and some super-intense academic lady going ... 3rd wave ... 8th
wave ... sexual selves ... pre-WW-I ... media portrayal ... Vagina
Monologues ... Hollywood ... 60s and 70s ... economic independence
... girl powrr ... de-erasing the un-body ... 139th wave ... blah
de blah de blah ...

Suddenly I felt, I like the first set of cliches better.

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> I haven't made it in years and can't remember what's in it -- but it
> used to be everywhere.  It's green and sweet and tastes like lime and
> marshmallow.  It's congealed.
>
> >>
>
> Sounds like the "Pistachio Delight" we sell at Reasor's.

Which sounds like the pistachio pudding, Cool Whip, walnut, and pineapple
concoction Auntie Val makes which I adore.

--Adam
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> Pete and Adam will have more authoritative comments.:)
>
> Karen

I leave my laptop plugged in all the time. I'm thinking I should run down
the batteries monthly or something. Pete will have more authoritative
comments. :)

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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On Sun, 31 Aug 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:

>I leave my laptop plugged in all the time. I'm thinking I should run down
>the batteries monthly or something. Pete will have more authoritative
>comments. :)

With Macs, one is instructed toi run the battery down once (ONLY) upon
first using it.

Bethany

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> > Do you think it was worth it?
>
> Me? I have no opinion.

Yes.  Yesterday, I saw a pig fly.


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> > Do you think it was worth it?

> Does anybody think this is an assumptive question?

Isn't it?

> I wouldn't want this to go to its predictable
> arm-patting end,
> with a call for some faith in the good old due
> process. The
> entire point of DNA testing is that that faith has
> been shaken
> and there is no going back.

That's beside the point.  Do you think it was worth
it?


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02003-08-31 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > > Do you think it was worth it?
>
> > Does anybody think this is an assumptive question?
>
> Isn't it?
>
> > I wouldn't want this to go to its predictable arm-patting end,
> > with a call for some faith in the good old due process. The
> > entire point of DNA testing is that that faith has been shaken
> > and there is no going back.
>
> That's beside the point.  Do you think it was worth
> it?

Is this still not obvious? Yes, it was worth it. Spending
$25,000 on a highly reliable process to confirm the result
of an unreliable process is worth it.

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More information to help you make your decision: the perp died in prison of
a heart attack a month before he was identified by the DNA evidence.

OTOH, the husband of one of the victims had been the prime suspect in her
case, and he had lived under that cloud of suspicion for nearly 20 years
until the DNA evidence cleared him.

<http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/03/19/MN167984.DTL>

or <http://tinyurl.com/ltbn>

Pete

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  So I
> decided I was moving
> too far away from the recipe and went out to Wmart
> and got some ginger
> root, now that I understand it's ginger, and an
> orange.  I just remade
> the sauce.
> > One hopes this is not the same 1949 bottle.:-]
>
> It hadn't been opened, so it was probably still ok.

You done good, Doc.

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> OTOH, the husband of one of the victims had been the
> prime suspect in her
> case, and he had lived under that cloud of suspicion
> for nearly 20 years
> until the DNA evidence cleared him.

Very good.

It doesn't say specifically, but it sort of goes
without saying that he must have been in prison or
jail during the intervening years.

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> Is this still not obvious? Yes, it was worth it.
> Spending
> $25,000 on a highly reliable process to confirm the
> result
> of an unreliable process is worth it.

Just joshing, T.S.  Just joshing :-]


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I don't remember whether I mentioned that the high school biology
teacher I was totally in love with in the tenth grade died a month or so
ago.  Now somebody just sent me the news that I had somehow missed last
week that my sophomore lit teacher at Millsaps has died.  He taught at
Millsaps for several years but then ended up at the U of Arkansas, where
he taught CW for the rest of his career.  At a party in Starkville some
number of years ago I told him about the crush I'd had on him in college
and how I'd always wanted to kiss him, so we had a nice, long, great
kiss on the porch of the house of the party.  Why this was in SF Gate
I'm not sure, but that's what my friend in Iowa just sent me:

http://tinyurl.com/ltem

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Lynne Weber writes,

>It doesn't say specifically, but it sort of goes without saying that he
>must have been in prison or jail during the intervening years.

I don't think so -- he was just a suspect.

Here's a news story with some more details from Grunzweig:

<http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020321095413.12840.00000025%40mb-fo.aol.com>
or <http://tinyurl.com/ltf0>

>"It's the closest thing to having sulfuric acid thrown on your life," he
>said.
>
>Grunzweig said he was a suspect because he had just separated from his
>wife and police couldn't immediately contact him the morning of her death.
>"They were calling my work number. It was four in the morning," he said.
>
>Grunzweig said he eventually realized he had no way of convincing
>authorities of his innocence. "So you live under suspicion," he said.
>"There's nothing you can do. There's nothing they can do. You go on with
>your life."
>
>The case needs to be used by prosecutors nationwide to get more funding
>from Congress to gather and analyze DNA information from crime scenes, he said.

In Googling a bit, I find he's a professional outside director nowadays,
and I know the CTO at one of the companies where he sits on the board.

He's also married to novelist Glenda Burgess
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0947993762>.

Pete

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Charles Bronson died yesterday at 81 from complications with
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> In Googling a bit, I find he's a professional
> outside director nowadays,
> and I know the CTO at one of the companies where he
> sits on the board.
>
> He's also married to novelist Glenda Burgess

He seems to have prospered despite all, but what a
hellacious life to live for all those years.

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On Sunday, August 31, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> > Do you think it was worth it?
>>
>> Me? I have no opinion.

> Yes.  Yesterday, I saw a pig fly.

Excuse me?

Karen

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On Sunday, August 31, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > What's a zester?
>>
>> It removes the zest of citrus fruits.

> Making them dull and boring?

No. At this point, ou either eat the fruit or use them for juice.

>> I was only pointing out that the
>> directions were for people using Real Ingredients. Which you were not.

> I find that a ridiculous statement.  Of course I was using real
> ingredients.

Powdered ginger is different in flavor and texture from ginger root.
Ditto fresh orange peel and preserved. If a recipe calls for ginger
root and you use powdered ginger, then you need to be prepared for
differences in preparation and taste.

>  It's just that I had failed to read the whole recipe
> before starting.  I readily admit that that was dumb.

I don't think that was dumb at all. I generally limit my preliminary
reading of recipes to the list of ingredients.

Karen

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  From "Happy Labor Day -- Now, Get a Job! (A letter from Michael Moore)"
<http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2003-08-29>:

Bush is on pace to raise almost $200 million in time for the Republican
primaries where his only competition will be his own dismal record. In
Minnesota this past Tuesday, Bush raised $1.4 million by giving a 24-minute
speech. That’s about $60,000 for each minute of "work." By contrast, the
weekly salary of the average American worker is a staggering $616.

As Ron Eibensteiner, chairman of the Minnesota Republican Party, left the
event in St. Paul, he was met by hundreds of demonstrators. Being the
dignified, freedom-loving, compassionate conservative we all wish we could
be, Eibensteiner leaned over a police barricade toward the protestors and
yelled, "GET A JOB!"

It was a positive, uplifting message to America. The Minnesota Republican
Party isn’t going to do anything to turn the economy around, and Bush
hasn’t done anything in almost three years in office. The best any of them
can do is yell at people.

In the past year, 700,000 people were added to the list of unemployed. The
number of people out of work for half a year or more is up 28%. Thanks to
"Welfare to Work" (and Bill Clinton), July of 2003 saw 43.8% of the
unemployed lose their state support even though they still could not find a
job—a record high. Since Bush took over the country, roughly 2.5 million
jobs have simply evaporated.

Pete

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I will go nomail on Thursday afternoon European standard time and not be back until October 6. And I will not have time (or gifs) before I am back, but here is a short version of our trip to the North:

1. There are lots of reindeer there and they are unpredictable and dangerous on the road. We did *not* hit any.

2. There are LOTS of mushrooms there

3. We went as far east as Vardø, 31 degrees east, and there summer was over - 3 C, rain, fog and a hurricane.

4. We visited some of Ingjerd's father's Saami friends and also saw the Saami Parliament in Karasjok.

5. I have bought a Saami knife of medium size which means it can be used both for cutting bread and small trees.

Espen

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This isn't about jobs (exactly), but the job thing reminded me of the
kinds of stuff I blog, which reminded me that I meant to mention the
following url here, not for the politics of it but because
neuro-engineering strikes me as the kind of thing some Wordslers might
like discussing/debating/readingabout/whatever:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4572.htm

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Espen Ore wrote:
>
> I will go nomail on Thursday afternoon European standard time and not be back until October 6.

That is too long!!!

And I will not have time (or gifs) before I am back, but here is a short
version of our trip to the North:

You have piqued our interest.  Cancel your plans and send gifs and more
details.

> 5. I have bought a Saami knife of medium size which means it can be used both for cutting bread and small trees.

You can cut down ginger trees and chop their roots.  Did I mention that
the inside of ginger root is soft?  I had thought the whole thing was
barkish, but it's not.  Then I guess that's true of roots in general,
isn't it.  I have never dealt with roots before.  What is a ginger tree
like?  When its roots are dug up to sell in grocery stores, what becomes
of the rest of the tree?

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10:20 23.08.2003 -0700 skrev Betty:
>Doris, Espen, and Ann.  Happy Birthday this week.

Thank you very much! Since I have not become a crone, have we discussed earlier what happens to males?

Espen

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At 04:56 AM 9/1/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>This isn't about jobs (exactly), but the job thing reminded me of the
>kinds of stuff I blog, which reminded me that I meant to mention the
>following url here, not for the politics of it but because
>neuro-engineering strikes me as the kind of thing some Wordslers might
>like discussing/debating/readingabout/whatever:
>
>http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4572.htm

David Bunch may turn out to be a prophet.

cwv

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Peter Kaminski wrote:


> Bush is on pace to raise almost $200 million in time for the Republican
> primaries where his only competition will be his own dismal record. In
> Minnesota this past Tuesday, Bush raised $1.4 million by giving a 24-minute
> speech. That's about $60,000 for each minute of "work." By contrast, the
> weekly salary of the average American worker is a staggering $616.


        Wow.  I earn less than the average American worker.



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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>>Seventh grade is exciting.  Why, btw, do schools in the North start so
>>>much later than schools in the South?  Our k-12 schools started in early
>>>August.
>>>
>>        In Missouri, it's state law (or was until this year).  I
>>suspect it has something to do with The Harvest.
>>
>
> Back in the olden days when we started school in mid-September in
> Jackson, some of the country schools in the state started in late August
> and then had a break of a couple of weeks that was supposedly for people
> to do harvest stuff.  I'm not sure when early August became the starting
> time.  I know why colleges moved it to August -- that was when the old
> semester system that had exams in January got changed to make the
> semester end before xmas.  And when the Starkville schools moved their
> starting (and ending) dates earlier, I thought maybe it was to get it in
> synch with MSU so that families could plan travel, etc.  But I've
> noticed that the schools all over the state start early now.  Maybe it's
> the same idea -- ending the first half of the year before xmas so that
> students can take important tests etc. before the holidays.


        Yes, having that clean cut-off before exams (our exams are
two weeks after we return from Christmas Break), and in this
state, getting in more weeks of instruction before the MAP
testing window in April.




--
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> Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
>
> > Bush is on pace to raise almost $200 million in time for the
Republican
> > primaries where his only competition will be his own dismal record.
In
> > Minnesota this past Tuesday, Bush raised $1.4 million by giving a
24-minute
> > speech. That's about $60,000 for each minute of "work." By contrast,
the
> > weekly salary of the average American worker is a staggering $616.
>
>
>         Wow.  I earn less than the average American worker.
>
>
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman

I suspect there are a few exaggerations
in that article.

           - D. M.

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At 03:34 PM 8/31/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Sunday, August 31, 2003, BF Clark wrote:
> > And in some states your x-ray technologist isn't required to be
> > certified.
>
>EEK! Where?

I don't remember.  One of our speakers at a conference made an opening
statement regarding licensing requirements of some states. Hair
cutters-mandatory licensing and technologists were voluntary.

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Doris Markland wrote:

>>Peter Kaminski wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Bush is on pace to raise almost $200 million in time for the
>>>
> Republican
>
>>>primaries where his only competition will be his own dismal record.
>>>
> In
>
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>>>speech. That's about $60,000 for each minute of "work." By contrast,
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>
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>>>
>>
>>        Wow.  I earn less than the average American worker.
>>
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>>--
>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>
>
> I suspect there are a few exaggerations
> in that article.


Probably.  But I've never really earned that much.




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>Since Bush took over the country, roughly 2.5 million
jobs have simply evaporated.

Is this necessarily the work of The Omnipotent?

AS

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Espen Ore wrote:
>
> 10:20 23.08.2003 -0700 skrev Betty:
> >Doris, Espen, and Ann.  Happy Birthday this week.
>
> Thank you very much! Since I have not become a crone, have we discussed earlier what happens to males?

You don't want to hear... ;-)

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BF Clark wrote:

> I don't remember.  One of our speakers at a conference made an opening
> statement regarding licensing requirements of some states. Hair
> cutters-mandatory licensing and technologists were voluntary.

I remember hearing a long time ago that technically a doctor could open
a practice here without interning -- that the medical license comes at
the end of med school.  But I don't think there's ever been a case of
anybody doing that.  I think I've also heard that anybody can hand out a
shingle to practice shrink stuff.  Quite likely x-ray techs  are
unlicensed here, though I have no idea from real knowledge -- just
guessing.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

>   Quite likely x-ray techs  are
> unlicensed here, though I have no idea from real knowledge -- just
> guessing.

My guess was wrong:

http://www.glaciermedicaled.com/limited_lic/00statelic_pg1.html

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I was delighted to find this libation in stock at a regional purveyor:

http://www.licor43.com

Of course, the tag was not exactly the duty-free price I'd been used to, but
still not bad.

Yummmm....

AS

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Noise?  How does noise fit in?

|The Hawaii Noise & Radiation Branch

from the previously sited url.  In skimming down it I saw that Alabama,
D.C., and Georgia have no licensing requirements.  Haven't made it past
H yet in the list (except for jumping down and looking at Mississippi
while ago).  I paused on H because of pondering noise.

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At 08:35 AM 9/1/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >   Quite likely x-ray techs  are
> > unlicensed here, though I have no idea from real knowledge -- just
> > guessing.
>
>My guess was wrong:
>
>http://www.glaciermedicaled.com/limited_lic/00statelic_pg1.html

YaY for Mississippi.

Betty F. Clark, CRT (ARRT) and ASRT

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There are a good many states with no licensing or other requirements
("other" being that some states don't require licenses but require X
hours of training or whatever):

Alabama, District of Columbia, Georgia, Idaho, Michigan, Missouri,
Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma,
Wisconsin.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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BF Clark wrote:

> Betty F. Clark, CRT (ARRT) and ASRT

Is that a bear on your state flag?

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At 08:38 AM 9/1/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Noise?  How does noise fit in?
>
>|The Hawaii Noise & Radiation Branch
>
>from the previously sited url.  In skimming down it I saw that Alabama,
>D.C., and Georgia have no licensing requirements.  Haven't made it past
>H yet in the list (except for jumping down and looking at Mississippi
>while ago).  I paused on H because of pondering noise.

I guess they combined the agencies?  I never heard of that one.

Betty

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At 08:45 AM 9/1/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>There are a good many states with no licensing or other requirements
>("other" being that some states don't require licenses but require X
>hours of training or whatever):
>
>Alabama, District of Columbia, Georgia, Idaho, Michigan, Missouri,
>Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma,
>Wisconsin.

Makes you wonder about the calibration of their equipment.  Do those states
require people who cut your hair to be licensed?

California now requires continuing education credits to renew your license,
too.  Not all states do.

Betty

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At 08:46 AM 9/1/2003 -0500, you wrote:
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> > Betty F. Clark, CRT (ARRT) and ASRT
>
>Is that a bear on your state flag?

Yes.

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BF Clark wrote:

> Makes you wonder about the calibration of their equipment.  Do those states
> require people who cut your hair to be licensed?

I thought I was googling for haircutters but ended up somehow with
licensing requirements for manicurists.  Picking out a couple of the
states with no x-ray licensing requirements, I found that they do
require licensing for nail-cutting, at least according to budnbetty,
whose web site somehow makes me not sure I would want to trust it
totally -- something about the pink and black, I think:

http://www.bettynbud.com/states.htm

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Monday, September 01, 2003, Espen Ore wrote:
> 5. I have bought a Saami knife of medium size which means it can be
> used both for cutting bread and small trees.

I love this description!

What can the larger ones be used for?!

Karen

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On Monday, September 01, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> What is a ginger tree like?

Ain't no such thing. It's a very pretty flowering plant.

> When its roots are dug up to sell in grocery stores, what becomes
> of the rest of the tree?

They probably dig up all the roots, but you don't have to. If you grow
one in your garden, you can chop root as needed, and it will grow
back.

You an also plant part of the root and it will grow, that's how I got
mine. (But it will probably die during your winter.)

Karen

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Doris Markland writes,

>I suspect there are a few exaggerations in that article.

Where?

I didn't check the fund-raising numbers (although I could if you'd like),
but the economic indicators are as stated according to primary government
sources:

* weekly salary of the average American worker is a staggering $616
* Since Bush took over the country, roughly 2.5 million jobs have simply
evaporated.
* $400 billion deficit we'll have by the end of this year (and the
projected $6 trillion deficit we will have amassed ten years from now under
Bush's guidance)

Pete

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Amy Burns Short writes,

>Is this necessarily the work of The Omnipotent?

I think he has a primary responsibility to try to remedy the situation, and
that he's failing to address that responsibility.

Pete

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>Amy Burns Short writes,
>>Is this necessarily the work of The Omnipotent?
>
>I think he has a primary responsibility to try to remedy the situation, and
>that he's failing to address that responsibility.
>Pete

He is trying.  You just don't like the things he is doing.  He's cutting
taxes, thinking that will stimulate the economy.  He's relaxing air
pollution standards, thinking that will encourage business.  Etc.


bonnie

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> Doris Markland writes,
>
> >I suspect there are a few exaggerations in that article.
>
> Where?
>
> I didn't check the fund-raising numbers (although I could if you'd
like),
> but the economic indicators are as stated according to primary
government
> sources:
>
> * weekly salary of the average American worker is a staggering $616
> * Since Bush took over the country, roughly 2.5 million jobs have
simply
> evaporated.
> * $400 billion deficit we'll have by the end of this year (and the
> projected $6 trillion deficit we will have amassed ten years from now
under
> Bush's guidance)
>
> Pete

Just a gut reaction to Michael Moore,
who perhaps is the exaggeration.

           - D. M.

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bonniev writes,

>He is trying.  You just don't like the things he is doing.  He's cutting
>taxes, thinking that will stimulate the economy.  He's relaxing air
>pollution standards, thinking that will encourage business.  Etc.

He says he's trying.  Personally, I think he has other motives for his actions.

And whatever his motives, the objective data show that he's failing to
address the situation.

Pete

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> What can the larger ones be used for?!

Cutting butternut squash and redwoods.

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But Pete, what exactly are the motives you ascribe to
Bush and his villainous entourage?  Are the out to
subvert the American Way of Life?

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Lynne Weber writes,

>But Pete, what exactly are the motives you ascribe to Bush and his
>villainous entourage?

I don't pretend to know their motives, except that it's clear to me that
they differ from his stated goals.  He lies, either by overt chicanery or
stupid quackery.

But it's the objective results that matter anyway.  Because of George W. Bush,

* is the US economy better or worse?
* is the US jobless rate up or down?
* is US foreign debt rising or falling?
* is the US safer or less safe?
* does the US have a sound energy policy (not necessarily oil)?
* is our long-term survival within the natural environment more assured or
less assured?
* is the US helping the world be more prosperous and peaceful or less?
* does the US have more civil liberty or less?
* does the US have more democracy or less?

He gets a failing grade from me.

Pete

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Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> But Pete, what exactly are the motives you ascribe to
> Bush and his villainous entourage?  Are the out to
> subvert the American Way of Life?

I'm not Pete, but here are some thoughts on that subject:

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0613-02.htm

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030512&c=1&s=greider

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"RICHFIELD, Ohio, Sept 1 (Reuters) - Feeling political heat over lost
manufacturing jobs, U.S. President George W. Bush marked Labor Day on
Monday with the promise he will work to ensure nations attracting U.S.
factories overseas have fair trade policies."

I'm sure that will make all the difference.

Karen

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On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 09:23:40 -0700, Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
wrote:
>> What can the larger ones be used for?!
>
>Cutting butternut squash and redwoods.

I was thinking that butchering reindeer was in there somewhere.

Karen

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On Monday, September 01, 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> "RICHFIELD, Ohio, Sept 1 (Reuters) - Feeling political heat over lost
> manufacturing jobs, U.S. President George W. Bush marked Labor Day on
> Monday with the promise he will work to ensure nations attracting U.S.
> factories overseas have fair trade policies."

> I'm sure that will make all the difference.

I forgot to provide the cite.

http://reuters.com/financeNewsArticle.jhtml?storyID=3368581&type=bondsNews

Btw, this article says 3 million jobs have been lost since Bush took
office. 2.5 million in mfg.

Karen

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> I was thinking that butchering reindeer was in there
> somewhere.

Yep.  Obviously has to be in there.

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As in, clean the new condo. I worked for a while this morning, then left
Linda to complete the basic clean-up. I also remembered that I have some
things I have never had before - like a trash compactor. I had to go to
the manual to figure out how it works. We took it apart, cleaned its
little closet, then put it all back together.

Now back to packing and planning ... Monday holidays are weird. And of
course the whole weekend has been weird here because two bridges across
the river are closed (Gay St. for repairs, Henley St. for Boomsday). It
took me forever to get to an address south of Island Home yesterday. I
finally got there via the South Knoxville Bridge (fairly new, Natalie and
Bonnie) and came back via Alcoa Hwy.

Happy Labor Day, all!

Bethany

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>finally got there via the South Knoxville Bridge (fairly new, Natalie and
>Bonnie) and came back via Alcoa Hwy.

Is that the one they built to make it easier for Oak Ridge people to get to
the airport?  If it is, I traveled it a number of times before we moved away.

>Happy Labor Day, all!
>Bethany

And a Happy Boomsday to you, Bethany.


bonnie

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On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, bonniev wrote:

>>finally got there via the South Knoxville Bridge (fairly new, Natalie and
>>Bonnie) and came back via Alcoa Hwy.
>
>Is that the one they built to make it easier for Oak Ridge people to get to
>the airport?  If it is, I traveled it a number of times before we moved away.

No - that one is the Pellissippi Parkway - a marvelous addition to the
area. I used it on Friday to go to my condo closing - my lawyer's office
is on Alcoa Hwy, and I picked him up (so he would not be late!), then we
took Topside Rd. over to PP and on to Cedar Bluff Rd.

The South Knoxville Bridge is east of downtown - and I still have trouble
navigating that area - I am quite familiar with all areas of Knoxville and
much of Oak Ridge - but not southeast Knoxville, except for Island Home
itself.

>And a Happy Boomsday to you, Bethany.

Thank you, Bonnie - I shall be glued to the tube at 9 .m. I have never
been to the actual site of Boomsday, but for a number of years I went to a
party in a bldg. facing the river and the Henley St. Bridge on Boomsday.
It is a very cool show. And this year someone is selling special glasses
that are supposed to make the fireworks look like they are coming straight
toward you. I never saw any for sale, though.

And yesterday, for the first time in many, many years I saw a rainbow in
Knoxville.

Bethany

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As in, clean out the garage, put things away,
sweep and then hose down and scrub the floor, let the sunshine in to dry
it out.  Open a beer.  Go in the house to watch an hour of Jerry Lewis
and shut my eyes to hear his voice and convince myself it really is him.
Best thing in the last hour was a trio of black opera singers who
brought the house down . . and I didn't catch the name they go by.  They
were wonderful, with first an opera song and then a patriotic one.  Open
another beer and come in here to check the mail and play ONE
game of Bookworm, well start the game anyway. BBQ chicken in the oven
later for dinner.  Gene has done his walking (in the circle of our
cul-de-sac) and is now sunning on the patio.  Locusts are doing whatever
they do that makes that late summer sound and feeling.  The enormous
hydrangea bush right outside my window is loaded down with white
blossoms, just beginning to tinge into pinkish
beige.  It's cool and dry, but sunny.  Couldn't be nicer.  We are
thinking about planning a trip to Colorado, maybe to see the Aspens
turn.

                              - D. M.

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On Monday, September 01, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> As in, clean the new condo. I worked for a while this morning, then left
> Linda to complete the basic clean-up. I also remembered that I have some
> things I have never had before - like a trash compactor. I had to go to
> the manual to figure out how it works. We took it apart, cleaned its
> little closet, then put it all back together.

Bad for the environment.

Karen

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>I shall be glued to the tube at 9 .m. I have never
>been to the actual site of Boomsday, but for a number of years I went to a
>party in a bldg. facing the river and the Henley St. Bridge on Boomsday.
>It is a very cool show.      --Bethany

I especially like it when they make the bridge look like a gigantic
waterfall.  Very cool.


bonnie

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On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> things I have never had before - like a trash compactor. I had to go to
>> the manual to figure out how it works. We took it apart, cleaned its
>> little closet, then put it all back together.
>
>Bad for the environment.

Why? Why is it bad to smash a can?

Bethany

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In a message dated 9/1/2003 3:20:02 AM Central Daylight Time,
kaminski@ISTORI.COM writes:
<<
By contrast, the
weekly salary of the average American worker is a staggering $616.
>>

What's the median wage for one week?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
Who would be ecstatic to get $616 a week.

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On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, bonniev wrote:

>I especially like it when they make the bridge look like a gigantic
>waterfall.  Very cool.

I agree - that is the very best part!

Bethany

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She loves to eat out of my hand or when I toss the food to her.

Evelyn Duncan
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People are not ruled by their memories.
Roger Smith

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On Monday, September 01, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>> things I have never had before - like a trash compactor. I had to go to
>>> the manual to figure out how it works. We took it apart, cleaned its
>>> little closet, then put it all back together.
>>
>>Bad for the environment.

> Why? Why is it bad to smash a can?

Not all recycling centers accept smashed cans.

Karen

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Evelyn Duncan writes,

>What's the median wage for one week?

Don't know.  But if you look at Table 1 in
<http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/realer.pdf>, they break it down into
industry sectors, at least.  (Make sure you're looking at "current dollars"
instead of 1982 dollars.)

The averages range from a low of $226.89 (Leisure and hospitality) to a
high of $1,006.96 (Utilities).

Federal minimum wage for covered nonexempt employees is $5.15
<http://www.dol.gov/esa/whd/flsa/>.  That's $206.00 over a 40-hour week.

Pete

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I really want to know why it might be bad to smash a can. I googled "trash
compactor+environment" and found posts such as this:

"With an annual operating cost of $1 per year for electricity, a trash
compactor is very energy efficient. Reducing the bulk of recyclables
enables trucks to pick up more materials -- potentially reducing
transportation costs and saving time, money and fuel."

AND

"By utilizing technologies which compact waste directly at the source
where it is generated, the environment benefits in the following ways:
Fewer trips to the landfills due to waste being compacted, means less fuel
consumption and less toxic emissions by the waste hauling trucks. If the
majority of businesses, and even individual large businesses, implemented
compaction, reductions in toxic emissions and fuel consumption would
result in an enormous benefit to the environment. The EPA recently
concluded that vehicles such as waste hauling trucks dump 125 lbs. of
toxic emissions into the atmosphere for every 1000 gallons of fuel burned
(these trucks probably achieve 6 to 8 miles per gallon). In addition,
lower waste hauling costs can be realized by the companies utilizing
compaction because of lower waste hauling service requirements. Even with
the lost revenues, progressive waste haulers can benefit from their
customers utilizing compaction through lower operating costs and better
resource utilization (i.e. other revenue streams can be developed via
emphasis on recycling and alternative waste processing services). Most
waste hauling companies capitalize on compaction technologies throughout
their business operations by compacting in trucks and at transfer stations
in order to reduce their transportation costs. In essence, by not
compacting trash, the general public passes the window of opportunity (of
savings) to the waste haulers.

Over time, waste becomes compacted in landfills anyway, due to the weight
of waste that is piled on top of the other waste. Basically, we are
beating nature to the punch by compacting the waste prior to disposal at
the landfill. By compacting at the source where waste is generated, we are
doing what nature does anyway in the end, but allowing for the many
environmental and cost saving benefits in between to be taken advantage
of."

Am I being lied to?

Bethany

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02003-08-31 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > Is this still not obvious? Yes, it was worth it. Spending
> > $25,000 on a highly reliable process to confirm the result
> > of an unreliable process is worth it.
>
> Just joshing, T.S.  Just joshing :-]

Nice save, "L.W." :}=

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02003-09-01 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> "RICHFIELD, Ohio, Sept 1 (Reuters) - Feeling political heat over lost
> manufacturing jobs, U.S. President George W. Bush marked Labor Day on
> Monday with the promise he will work to ensure nations attracting U.S.
> factories overseas have fair trade policies."
>
> I'm sure that will make all the difference.

Oh, I suspect there are a few exaggerations in the article.

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On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>Not all recycling centers accept smashed cans.

I did not know that.

Thanks,
Bethany

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On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>On Monday, September 01, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>> On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>>> things I have never had before - like a trash compactor. I had to go to
>>>> the manual to figure out how it works. We took it apart, cleaned its
>>>> little closet, then put it all back together.
>>>
>>>Bad for the environment.
>
>> Why? Why is it bad to smash a can?
>
>Not all recycling centers accept smashed cans.
>
>Karen
>

Bethany K. Dumas <dumasb@utk.edu>, http://www.BethanyKayDumas.org
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On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>Not all recycling centers accept smashed cans.

And of course, I might occasionally smash things other than cans.

Bethany

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At 05:38 PM 9/1/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>Am I being lied to?

Not exactly, but recognize the difference between things that can be
recycled and those that end up in a landfill. Trash compacting probably
does aid in reducing the volume of stuff to be land-filled.  On the other
hand, cans and other recyclables (whose composition varies from place to
place) would be better off sent to the recycling center.  For example, here
on MDI, only type 2 plastic containers (milk jugs and the like) can go to
recycling.  It would make sense to recycle those and compact the remainder
along with other non-recyclable garbage.

cwv

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I took a bunch of pictures at the last-ever Chiggerfest and am about to
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O.K. Bethany, now you have me interested.  I looked at a map.  It appears
that the South Knoxville Bridge went in upstream of the Henley Street
Bridge.  So where does that put it?  Is it very close to the Hyatt
House?   Does it start out quite high on a bluff on the downtown side of
the bridge?  Does it then go downhill??!   I regularly rowed that stretch
for a number of months.  There was an area right there that got very bluffy
with a rock formation that was known among rowers as "Twat Rock".


bonnie

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>I'm going to go on and do something right away, so only a
>quick suggestion will get to me in time.

Make them all the same width.  Changing the aspect ratio is much uglier
than differently-sized thumbs.

Pete

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bonniev wrote:
>
> O.K. Bethany, now you have me interested.  I looked at a map.  It appears
> that the South Knoxville Bridge went in upstream of the Henley Street
> Bridge.  So where does that put it?  Is it very close to the Hyatt
> House?   Does it start out quite high on a bluff on the downtown side of
> the bridge?  Does it then go downhill??!   I regularly rowed that stretch
> for a number of months.  There was an area right there that got very bluffy
> with a rock formation that was known among rowers as "Twat Rock".

Bonnie is feeling homesick for Knoxville!

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> distorted some of the pictures terribly.  I'm in a quandary.  Any quick
> suggestions?  I'm going to go on and do something right away, so only a
> quick suggestion will get to me in time.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Put them up on fotopic.net and let it worry about thumbnails.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> Put them up on fotopic.net and let it worry about thumbnails.

I really prefer having them on my own pages.  Fotopic is fine in many
ways, but there are some disadvantages to it.  I just made the
thumbnails a new way -- I told Lview to make the first one 75 width and
then let Lview make all the others whatever it wanted to.  It somehow
remembers what your general intention is.  Like when I first pulled the
originals into Lview and told it to make the first one 800x600, it would
pop up 800x600 every time I hit "resize" on the others.  With the
thumbnails, it didn't pop up the same numbers, but they were all small.
I haven't uploaded them yet.  Will see what happens when I do in a
little while.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Make them all the same width.  Changing the aspect ratio is much uglier
> than differently-sized thumbs.

That's what I did with the ones I made for whatever it was -- one of
those reunions I went to this summer.  It looked kind of weird.  We'll
see what my new attempt looks like.  (I hadn't really thought that I'd
post the url on Words-L since I can't imagine why any Wordsler would be
interested in these pictures, but maybe I will because of this thumbnail
experimentation.  Also, some FOWLs are in the picture.  Brad and Nancy,
whose house we used for GoatRoast, now live in Kentucky, but they came
back for this party when they heard it was to be the last Chiggerfest.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Bonnie is feeling homesick for Knoxville!

Sshhhhhh! Don't screw this up, Natalie!

Bethany

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> > Monday with the promise he will work to ensure nations attracting
U.S.
> > factories overseas have fair trade policies."
> >
> > I'm sure that will make all the difference.
>
> Oh, I suspect there are a few exaggerations in the article.

But of course.  The spinsters are always
at work . . on both sides.

          - D. M.

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On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, bonniev wrote:

>O.K. Bethany, now you have me interested.  I looked at a map.  It appears
>that the South Knoxville Bridge went in upstream of the Henley Street
>Bridge.  So where does that put it?  Is it very close to the Hyatt
>House?   Does it start out quite high on a bluff on the downtown side of
>the bridge?  Does it then go downhill??!   I regularly rowed that stretch
>for a number of months.  There was an area right there that got very bluffy
>with a rock formation that was known among rowers as "Twat Rock".

Bonnie, if you go to Mapquest.com and type in "South Knoxville Bridge,"
you will get a vaguely useful map.

You know much more about the <water> that I do - I would not have known
when to say upstream and when to say downstream. The SKB is east of the
Gay St. Bridge (under long-term repair). It is south and probably east of
what USED TO BE the Hyatt, which is now a Marriott. (See what happens when
you leave??? Natalie, did you know that?) It does not start from very high
up - but that is because the new highways constructed in that area do
that. I do not know the area at all well, and I always get lost at least
briefly when I go down there. Yesterday, I drove way out Riverside before
I realized that we were going only to Holston Hills that way. We doubled
back and read detour signs (for Boomsday) and finally got to the bridge.

Today, when I met my cleaning/organizing person, Linda, she asked me if I
were "from Knoxville." How long do I have to live here to be "from here"?

I used to get in trouble doing linguistic fieldwork. To me you are "from"
where you grew up. But for many individuals, you are "from" wherever you
currently live.

Bethany

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Not exactly <neat>, but I don't think the thumbnails are terrible:

http://maynor.net/Chiggerfest/

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They are SPECTACULAR!!!

Bethany

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How can we do some things so incredibly well and screw up so many other
things (like downtown and Old CIty parking)???

Bethany

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> Not exactly <neat>, but I don't think the thumbnails
> are terrible:
>
> http://maynor.net/Chiggerfest/
>
So why can Chiggerfest not continue?  The
founding/hosting/? couple may be moving, but there
appear to be enough of you to carry on the tradition.

Were there any guest chiggers?

What was the common denominator at the beginning?


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> How can we do some things so incredibly well and
> screw up so many other
> things (like downtown and Old CIty parking)???

Nature's way of providing balance.


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On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>> How can we do some things so incredibly well and >> screw up so many
other >> things (like downtown and Old CIty parking)???
>
>Nature's way of providing balance.

Oh, right ...

Yuck!

Bethany

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Something is amiss.  chig16 isn't showing up.  I've gotta log off and go
to bed now, but I can't see what's wrong -- what is making chig16.jpg
not show up:

<A HREF="chig1.jpg"><IMG SRC="1x.jpg"></A><A HREF="chig2.jpg"><IMG
SRC="2x.jpg">
</A><A HREF="chig3.jpg"><IMG SRC="3x.jpg"></A><A HREF="chig4.jpg"><IMG
SRC="4x.j
pg"></A><A HREF="chig5.jpg"><IMG SRC="5x.jpg"></A>
<A HREF="chig6.jpg"><IMG SRC="6x.jpg"></A><A HREF="chig7.jpg"><IMG
SRC="7x.jpg">
</A><A HREF="chig8.jpg"><IMG SRC="8x.jpg"></A><A HREF="chig9.jpg"><IMG
SRC="9x.j
pg"></A>
<A HREF="chig10.jpg"><IMG SRC="10x.jpg"></A><A HREF="chig11.jpg"><IMG
SRC="11x.j
pg"></A><A HREF="chig12.jpg"><IMG SRC="12x.jpg"></A><A
HREF="chig13.jpg"><IMG SR
C="13x.jpg"></A><A HREF="chig14.jpg"><IMG SRC="14x.jpg"></A><A
HREF="chig15.jpg"
><IMG SRC="15x.jpg"></A><A HREF="chig16.jpg"<IMG SRC="16x.jpg"></A><A HREF="chi
g17.jpg"><IMG SRC="17x.jpg"></A><A HREF="chig18.jpg"><IMG
SRC="18x.jpg"></A><A H
REF="chig19.jpg"><IMG SRC="19x.jpg"></A><A HREF="chig20.jpg"><IMG
SRC="20x.jpg">
</A>
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SRC="22x.j
pg"></A><A HREF="chig23.jpg"><IMG SRC="23x.jpg"></A><A
HREF="chig24.jpg"><IMG SR
C="24x.jpg"></A>
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SRC="26x.j
pg"></A><A HREF="chig27.jpg"><IMG SRC="27x.jpg"></A>
<A HREF="chig28.jpg"><IMG SRC="28x.jpg"></A><A HREF="chig29.jpg"><IMG
SRC="29x.j
pg"></A><A HREF="chig30.jpg"><IMG SRC="30x.jpg"></A>
<A HREF="chig31.jpg"><IMG SRC="31x.jpg"></A><A HREF="chig32.jpg"><IMG
SRC="32x.j
pg"></A><A HREF="chig33.jpg"><IMG SRC="33x.jpg"></A>
<A HREF="chig34.jpg"><IMG SRC="34x.jpg"></A><A HREF="chig35.jpg"><IMG
SRC="35x.j
pg"></A><A HREF="chig36.jpg"><IMG SRC="36x.jpg"></A>
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SRC="39x.j
pg"></A><A HREF="chig40.jpg"><IMG SRC="40x.jpg"></A>
<A HREF="chig41.jpg"><IMG SRC="41x.jpg"></A><A HREF="chig42.jpg"><IMG
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pg"></A>
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Natalie Maynor writes,

><A HREF="chig16.jpg"<IMG SRC="16x.jpg">

Missing angle bracket right before "<IMG...".

Pete

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Well, this is certainly fascinating bedtime reading!

On Mon, 1 Sep 2003,
Natalie Maynor wrote
>Something is amiss.  chig16 isn't showing up.  I've gotta log off and go
>to bed now, but I can't see what's wrong -- what is making chig16.jpg
>not show up:
>
><A HREF="chig1.jpg"><IMG SRC="1x.jpg"></A><A HREF="chig2.jpg"><IMG
>SRC="2x.jpg">
></A><A HREF="chig3.jpg"><IMG SRC="3x.jpg"></A><A HREF="chig4.jpg"><IMG
>SRC="4x.j
etc.

Bethany

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>Dunno.  To be an effective "warning shot across the bow of hackers [sic]",
>they'd probably have to treat him pretty harshly.

Follow-up: 'Although it appears he was more interested in bragging rights
than financial gain, federal authorities say they'll prosecute Parson to
deter others. "We have to demonstrate that what these guys do comes with a
heavy price," said John McKay, the U.S. District Attorney in Seattle
handling the case.'

I can't imagine what (or that) Parson was thinking.  The worm was
programmed to literally phone home, contacting his personal website when
activated.  The website's domain name is registered to his home address.

Pete

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10:35 01.09.2003 -0500 skrev Karen Kay:
>On Monday, September 01, 2003, Espen Ore wrote:
>> 5. I have bought a Saami knife of medium size which means it can be
>> used both for cutting bread and small trees.
>
>I love this description!
>
>What can the larger ones be used for?!

To cut down larger trees (small birches, mainly) and they are probably better for butchering reindeer. Here are some images from a knife-smithy in Karasjok - I bought mine at one in Kautokeino: http://www.knivsmed-stromeng.no/docs/kniver_9_14.htm .The tree-cutting was important once when poles were needed for lavvus (a sámi version of a tipi, more info at: http://lavvu.com/) and also the turf covered dvellings called "gammer" in Norwegian and something else in Sámi. Here is a reconstructed one: http://www.museumsnett.no/vsm/vsmengelsk/mortensnes.html
but you can still find them in use. Ingjerd's father owns some land at a lake far away from roads etc. where there used to be a gamme - although it has collapsed now. The place shown in the URL above is on the road between Nesseby where Ingjerd's father grew up and Vadsø, a town large enough to have a bookstore and a government licquor store.

Espen

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13:12 01.09.2003 -0400 skrev Karen Kay:
>On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 09:23:40 -0700, Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
>wrote:
>>> What can the larger ones be used for?!
>>
>>Cutting butternut squash and redwoods.
>
>I was thinking that butchering reindeer was in there somewhere.

Actually the one I bought is large enough for that, but a larger one may be better. I love the look of mine: the handle is made from dried birch-wood (what we call flame-birch because of the colouring).

Espen

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10:43 02.09.2003 +0200 skrev Espen Ore:
>10:35 01.09.2003 -0500 skrev Karen Kay:
>>On Monday, September 01, 2003, Espen Ore wrote:
>>> 5. I have bought a Saami knife of medium size which means it can be
>>> used both for cutting bread and small trees.
>>
>>I love this description!
>>
>>What can the larger ones be used for?!
>
>To cut down larger trees (small birches, mainly) and they are probably
>better for butchering reindeer. Here are some images from a knife-smithy
>in Karasjok - I bought mine at one in Kautokeino:
>http://www.knivsmed-stromeng.no/docs/kniver_9_14.htm .The tree-cutting
>was important once when poles were needed for lavvus (a sámi version of
>a tipi, more info at: http://lavvu.com/ ) and also the turf covered
>dvellings called "gammer" in Norwegian and something else in Sámi. Here
>is a reconstructed one:
>http://www.museumsnett.no/vsm/vsmengelsk/mortensnes.html
>but you can still find them in use. Ingjerd's father owns some land at a
>lake far away from roads etc. where there used to be a gamme - although
>it has collapsed now. The place shown in the URL above is on the road
>between Nesseby where Ingjerd's father grew up and Vadsø, a town large
>enough to have a bookstore and a government licquor store.
>
>Espen

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Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor writes,
>
> ><A HREF="chig16.jpg"<IMG SRC="16x.jpg">
>
> Missing angle bracket right before "<IMG...".

I've fixed that problem now and found out why another picture was
missing -- I had simply skipped from chig37 to chig39 -- just simple
stupidity.  Finally the 42 pictures are all visible.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor writes,
>
> ><A HREF="chig16.jpg"<IMG SRC="16x.jpg">
>
> Missing angle bracket right before "<IMG...".

THANKS!!  I can't believe that I looked at it over and over, even
running my finger along the screen, and didn't catch that!  But then it
had been a long (though pleasant) day, I had consumed lots of beer at
the party, etc. etc.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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someone at work who is supposed to be doing something else is
playing bookworm.  and i didn't show it too him.  he's going to
be in trouble soon (with the tiles, not with me)

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At 10:40 PM 9/1/2003 -0700, Peter Kaminski wrote:

>I can't imagine what (or that) Parson was thinking.  The worm was
>programmed to literally phone home, contacting his personal website when
>activated.  The website's domain name is registered to his home address.

The term <idiot savant> comes to mind...

cwv

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  Here is a reconstructed one:
http://www.museumsnett.no/vsm/vsmengelsk/mortensnes.html
>but you can still find them in use. Ingjerd's father owns some land at a
>lake far away from roads etc. where there used to be a gamme - although it
>has collapsed now.         --Espen

These appear to be very similar to the Scottish "Black Houses".  A very few
are still in use out on the Hebrides.

http://www.isleofskye.net/threeherons/kenbryan/blackhouse/



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On Tuesday, September 02, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> At 10:40 PM 9/1/2003 -0700, Peter Kaminski wrote:

>>I can't imagine what (or that) Parson was thinking.  The worm was
>>programmed to literally phone home, contacting his personal website when
>>activated.  The website's domain name is registered to his home address.

> The term <idiot savant> comes to mind...

Or without the savant...

Karen

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On Tuesday, September 02, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Peter Kaminski wrote:
>>
>> Natalie Maynor writes,
>>
>> ><A HREF="chig16.jpg"<IMG SRC="16x.jpg">
>>
>> Missing angle bracket right before "<IMG...".

> THANKS!!  I can't believe that I looked at it over and over, even
> running my finger along the screen, and didn't catch that!  But then it
> had been a long (though pleasant) day, I had consumed lots of beer at
> the party, etc. etc.

This is why I like using Dreamweaver. I can write straight HTML, but
it tells me where I'm going wrong.

Karen

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Karen:
> to wave, but I forget where you live, except that it's in the Qtr. Now

I've lived in quite a few places in the
Quarter (I keep getting condo-ized,
among other reasons), so to matter
where they were, they weren't far
from a Chez Richard.

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Pete:
> I can't imagine what (or that) Parson was thinking.

Oh, yeah, just looking at him, you
get the vibe that, hey, this guy's
 really got it going _on_.

What a stupid git.

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The waitress is missing the point.  The issue with R months has little to do
with the "safety" of oysters (which is almost certainly what she means when
she talks about "questionable" oysters) and a lot to do with their dining
appeal.  Even the safest oysters in the world lose flavor and texture during
the non-R months, because during these months they devote energy to
reproductive activities.  As a result, their flesh develops a less
satisfying texture and some off flavors people refer to as "spawny."  You
can eat them, and when cooked you may notice no difference, but even oysters
from superb grounds will be noticeably inferior during the off season.  As
for safety, anyone can spot certain oyster maladies, and nobody can spot
others.  For most folks, there's always an element of risk in eating raw
oysters.  For people with immune deficiency disorders, the risk is quite
high.

>I had an oyster conversation with a knowledgeable-seeming waitress in a
>small restaurant (maybe cafe is the better word) in Gulfport last month
>-- that trip when I did cemeteries in Byram, then spent the night in
>McComb, then went on to the Coast, then spent that night in Hattiesburg,
>then met distant cousins in Columbia.  I asked her about the r-month
>thing.  She said that she had been fooling with oysters for thirty years
>and that she knew when they were good or when they might be questionable
>-- and that they threw out any that were questionable.  She said that in
>a decent establishment there was no reason to worry about r-months.  She
>also said that that had nothing to do with cooked oysters, as in the
>po-boy I ordered -- that it was only about raw oysters.
>
>I don't eat raw oysters anymore.  I'm scared of them.  I never was
>really a huge fan of them, although I liked the typical ambience of
>eating raw oysters, whether in restaurants or out on a rough-hewn deck
>over the water on a hot day with lots of beer and lots of raw oysters.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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I love raw oysters when they're of the highest quality.  Wellfleets right
out of the water can be amazing at times.  Malaspinas, when you can afford
them, are unbelievable.  In the west, raw shellfish is the only thing we
still routinely consume while it's in its living state.  That's not the case
everywhere: Petits Propos Culinaires 44, August 1993, has a fine study of
"The Mushroom-Growing Termites of Uganda) by Arthur French:L

"There is an eager market for termites in Buganda: everyone looks forward to
the season and rejoices when it comes....People know when the termites are
about to fly, because the workers start building afresh on the top of their
mounds.The men go to the big mounds of nsejjere and mpawu, out in the bush,
and clear them of weeks; the women collect reeds and make torches of them,
to attract these night-flying termites in the dark.  When the watchers
notice that the insects have cut exit-holes, the collection can start.
Nsejjere fly about midnight (which is called 'killing-nsejerre') while mpawu
fly about the second time the bottle-bird calls (3 a.m.).  In the old days,
people would have left the goats in the hut and 'left the house to the
cobwebs' (as the saying goes), while the whole family joined the fun.  After
nsejjere, they might wait for mpawu, but, in most seasons, those fly a day
or two later.

"The winged termites fly toward the light, so a hollow is made in the ground
and a torch is held over it.  The termites fall into the hollow, and can be
scooped up.  A very big mound may need two traps like that, and it is then
called 'Mother of Twins.'

"Collecting termites is considered a great sport, and people chat and laugh,
nibbling the occasional termites, raw, if they like.  As people look around
in the dark they see lights burning here and there as other families work at
'their' termite mounds.  All kinds of wild creatures come to get a share of
the feast--even leopards--but they, too, are busy with the termites and
don't attack humans if they are left to get on with it.  A family will get a
bag, or tow or three pots, full of insects from a night's work.

"There are songs about termites, especially nsejjere.  One goes: 'What kind
of termites? Nsejjere!  Hit them! We shall feed on them!'  Another says:
'How good nsejjere taste! Look, they are flying! We are delighted!'"

>From: "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@GWI.NET>

>I don't eat them either---I don't like them.  In fact, the only
>shell-dwelling mollusks I really like are clams (steamed) or
>scallops---dishes like clams casino or oysters Rockefeller are OK as
>well.  Calamari I really like.
>
>cwv

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On Sunday, August 31, 2003 at 15:18, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> What it looks like to me is not necessarily spam -- as in it's probably
> innocently from Yahoo Groups.  It looks like some spammer or worm or
> whatever is sending bogus signup requests to Yahoo.

It's more Sobig fallout. Various clueless <services> like Yahoo seem
to accept any mail directed to a certain address - regardless of
content - as a request to join a list ("group"). Someone who has you
in their address book is infected with Sobig, and it sent mail to one
random address in that person's book (Yahoo), purporting to be from
another random address (you).

Tony H.

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On Saturday, August 30, 2003 at 19:12, Lynne Weber wrote:

> > You know I think the 3 essential places, for me, to visit in San Francisco
> > are 1. The Golden Gate Bridge, 2.  The Asian Museum, and 3.  The Camera
> > Obscura by the Clift Hotel.
>
> What is Camera Obscura?  Dark secret?

A nice etymological lesson: camera = Latin "room", and in this case
you are in the (if I may be so bold as to borrow a word) "chamber" as
the picture is projected onto the wall, floor, etc.

Tony H.

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http://www.darrenbarefoot.com/hall/

I like his interpretation of the graphics.

Karen

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Are outsourcing to India....

http://www.jameshudnall.com/archives/001308.html

Karen

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 http://www.darrenbarefoot.com/hall/


The last one is a classic.  I thank you 'til the
cowcomes home.

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02003-09-01 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > How can we do some things so incredibly well and
> > screw up so many other
> > things (like downtown and Old CIty parking)???
>
> Nature's way of providing balance.

That was, like, pretty weak joshing ...

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02003-09-02 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> http://www.darrenbarefoot.com/hall/
>
> I like his interpretation of the graphics.

Is there someone to wipe my tears of boredom?

And to bring me a tylenol

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On Tuesday, September 02, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-09-02 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> http://www.darrenbarefoot.com/hall/
>>
>> I like his interpretation of the graphics.

> Is there someone to wipe my tears of boredom?

> And to bring me a tylenol

You're just gelous.

Karen

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In that order?
 
BrP
 

>>> scribble@POBOX.COM 09/02/03 03:12PM >>>

Is there someone to wipe my tears of boredom?

And to bring me a tylenol

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02003-09-02 | Paul Barfoot <Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU> writes:
> In that order?

Whatever the outsourcing center provides ... as long as it's cheap



> >>> scribble@POBOX.COM 09/02/03 03:12PM >>>
>
> Is there someone to wipe my tears of boredom?
>
> And to bring me a tylenol

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the outsorcing center?  Is that some metaphysical euphemism?
 
 


>>> scribble@POBOX.COM 09/02/03 03:50PM >>>
02003-09-02 | Paul Barfoot <Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU> writes:
> In that order?

Whatever the outsourcing center provides ... as long as it's cheap



> >>> scribble@POBOX.COM 09/02/03 03:12PM >>>
>
> Is there someone to wipe my tears of boredom?
>
> And to bring me a tylenol

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> what USED TO BE the Hyatt, which is now a Marriott. (See what happens when
> you leave??? Natalie, did you know that?) It does not start from very high

You're talking about things I don't <connect> with in Kville.  I do
think that SECOL was at the Hyatt on the river back ten or so years ago,
wasn't it?  That's my only knowledge of that hotel.

> Today, when I met my cleaning/organizing person, Linda, she asked me if I
> were "from Knoxville." How long do I have to live here to be "from here"?
>
> I used to get in trouble doing linguistic fieldwork. To me you are "from"
> where you grew up. But for many individuals, you are "from" wherever you
> currently live.

I think it depends on the context.  I most often consider myself "from
Jackson."  But I'm registered on the Columbus Dean Meet-Up site as
"Natalie from Starkville."  If somebody out of state asks me where I'm
from, I usually say "Mississippi."  If the person asks where in
Mississippi, I say "originally from Jackson, but I've lived in
Starkville for a long time now."

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02003-09-02 | Paul Barfoot <Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU> writes:
> the outsorcing center?  Is that some metaphysical euphemism?

Please, let me have my tylenol first OK?

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> So why can Chiggerfest not continue?  The
> founding/hosting/? couple may be moving, but there
> appear to be enough of you to carry on the tradition.

Yes, some of us were talking yesterday about how we might just show up
out there next Labor Day and inform the new owners of the property that
Chiggerfest had to go on.  Having it anywhere else wouldn't be the
same.  It has to be there.  We started it back before they had even
built the house.  The woods served as our bathroom.  (They didn't
exactly build the house -- they hauled it from somewhere and then worked
on the hauled house.)

> Were there any guest chiggers?

Probably.  I didn't notice them since I'd smeared some Avon Skin-so-Soft
on my ankles before going -- left from when I used to put it on Bernard
-- it's a large bottle.

> What was the common denominator at the beginning?

The common denominator among the participants?  I guess the first year
or so it was that we were all in the English Department.  I can't
remember what Joan did when they first moved here -- she later got a
degree in some kind of small-town-renewal thing and has worked for
various agencies I don't understand.  Anyway, my memory of the earliest
Chiggerfests is that it was mostly English Department.  With the passing
of the years it grew larger and larger and included people from almost
every part of the university since Dan was very active in organizations
like Faculty Senate, which he chaired several times, and thus knew lots
of people in various fields.

--
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the new next door neighbor complained about how our cable
was located, so she had the apartment complex remove it.
instead of relocating it, they cut it!

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
People are not ruled by their memories.
Roger Smith

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In a message dated 9/2/2003 3:56:38 PM Central Daylight Time,
plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU writes:
<<
Ouch! Typical solving a problem with looking at the whole picture.

>>

So now we're without cable until tomorrow.  The apartment manager
asked me what I wanted them to do about it; I was too angry to
respond.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
People are not ruled by their memories.
Roger Smith

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Evelyn Duncan
>Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 4:52 PM
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>Subject: cable
>
>
>the new next door neighbor complained about how our cable
>was located, so she had the apartment complex remove it.
>instead of relocating it, they cut it!
>
Ouch! Typical solving a problem with looking at the whole picture.


alec

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On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>You're talking about things I don't <connect> with in Kville.  I do
>think that SECOL was at the Hyatt on the river back ten or so years ago,
>wasn't it?  That's my only knowledge of that hotel.

Yup.

Bethany

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sue


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> the new next door neighbor complained about how our cable
> was located, so she had the apartment complex remove it.
> instead of relocating it, they cut it!
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> People are not ruled by their memories.
> Roger Smith

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In a message dated 9/2/2003 4:16:45 PM Central Daylight Time, awild@URI.EDU
writes:
<<
sue


>>

i'd like to:  not fixing the lock before the robbery, and now this!

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
People are not ruled by their memories.
Roger Smith

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>                    Once upon a time in the Kingdom of Heaven, God was missing for six days. Eventually, Michael,
>                    the archangel, found him resting on the seventh day. He inquires of God, "Where have you
>                    been?"
>
>                    God sighed a deep sigh of satisfaction and proudly pointed downward through the clouds.
>                    "Look, Michael, look what I've made."
>
>                    Archangel Michael looked puzzled and said, "What is it?"
>
>                    "It's a planet," replied God, "and I've put life on it. I'm going to call it Earth and it's going to be
>                    a great place of balance.
>
>                    "Balance?" inquired Michael, still confused.
>
>                    God explained, pointing to different parts of the earth, "For example, Europe will be a place of
>                    great opportunity and wealth, while Africa is going to be poor. The Middle East over there will
>                    be a hot spot," God continued, pointing to different countries. "This one will be extremely hot
>                    and while this one will be very cold and covered with ice."
>
>                    The Archangel, impressed by God's work, then pointed to a large land mass with great lakes,
>                    plains, and mountains, situated between two huge oceans. "What's that one?"
>
>                    ”Ah," said God, "that's that's going to be called the United States, the most glorious place on
>                    earth. There are beautiful mountains, beaches, rivers, lakes, and climate. And that really
>                    beautiful one down in the lower left with the big canyon running through it will be called
>                    Arizona, and the people from there are going to be modest, intelligent, and humorous, and they
>                    are going to be found traveling the world. They will be extremely sociable, hardworking, and
>                    high achieving people, and they will be known throughout the world as diplomats and carriers
>                    of peace."
>
>                    Michael gasped in wonder and admiration, but then exclaimed, "What about balance, God? You
>                    said there would be balance! Everyone and everything seems so totally perfect in this place
>                    you call Arizona.
>
>                    God replied wisely,..........................................................
>
>                    ”Ahh, just wait until you see the assholes I'm putting in the state just to the left of it.”
>

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In a message dated 9/2/2003 5:02:14 PM Central Daylight Time,
dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU writes:
<<
Nah - have them pay your cable bill this month.

>>

That's an idea; they can afford $55.

I'm watching tapes tonight, while Mom is listening to the
radio.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
People are not ruled by their memories.
Roger Smith

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> That's an idea; they can afford $55.
>
> I'm watching tapes tonight, while Mom is listening
> to the
> radio.

Everything is in rerun, anyway.  Wasn't much the first
time round.  I'm sure your tapes are more
entertaining.  But give the cable bill to the manager
and see what happens.  Can't hurt.


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On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

>sue
>
>
>i'd like to:  not fixing the lock before the robbery, and now this!

Nah - have them pay your cable bill this month.

Bethany

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In a message dated 9/2/2003 5:44:55 PM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Everything is in rerun, anyway.  Wasn't much the first
time round.
>>

The last episode of Buffy was supposed to be on tonight,
and I was going to tape it.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
People are not ruled by their memories.
Roger Smith

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@pobox.com>
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  Halley put the question to Newton directly in August 1684: supposing an
  inverse-square law of attraction toward the sun, what sort of curve would
  a planet make? Newton told him: an ellipse. He said he had calculated this
  long before. He would not give Halley the proof--he said he could not lay
  his hands on it--but promised to redo it and send it along.

  ...

  As he wrote, computed, and wrote more, he saw the pins of a cosmic lock
  tumbling into place, one by one. [He asked for data about comets and
  tides.] If celestial laws were to be established, all the phenomena must
  obey them.

  The alchemical furnaces went cold; the theological manuscripts were
  shelveed. A fever possessed him, like none since the plague years. He ate
  mainly in his rooms, a few bites standing up. He wrote standing at the
  desk. ...

  Though he had dropped alchemy for now, Newton had learned from it. He
  embraced invisible forces. He knew he was going to have to allow planets
  to influence one another from a distance. ...

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If only he hadn't gotten distracted by this elliptical nonsense, perhaps
he'd have finally discovered something practical, like a way to turn lead
into gold.  Isn't this, at the end of the millenium, just another case of
misplaced priorities and bad diet?


>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
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>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: One man distinguishes a blind alley from an open road
>Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 18:29:23 -0500
>
>   Halley put the question to Newton directly in August 1684: supposing an
>   inverse-square law of attraction toward the sun, what sort of curve
>would
>   a planet make? Newton told him: an ellipse. He said he had calculated
>this
>   long before. He would not give Halley the proof--he said he could not
>lay
>   his hands on it--but promised to redo it and send it along.
>
>   ...
>
>   As he wrote, computed, and wrote more, he saw the pins of a cosmic lock
>   tumbling into place, one by one. [He asked for data about comets and
>   tides.] If celestial laws were to be established, all the phenomena must
>   obey them.
>
>   The alchemical furnaces went cold; the theological manuscripts were
>   shelveed. A fever possessed him, like none since the plague years. He
>ate
>   mainly in his rooms, a few bites standing up. He wrote standing at the
>   desk. ...
>
>   Though he had dropped alchemy for now, Newton had learned from it. He
>   embraced invisible forces. He knew he was going to have to allow planets
>   to influence one another from a distance. ...

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        Is a single day without cable television that bad?

Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 9/2/2003 5:02:14 PM Central Daylight Time,
> dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU writes:
> <<
> Nah - have them pay your cable bill this month.
>
>
>
> That's an idea; they can afford $55.
>
> I'm watching tapes tonight, while Mom is listening to the
> radio.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> People are not ruled by their memories.
> Roger Smith
>
>


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In a message dated 9/2/2003 6:40:31 PM Central Daylight Time,
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
<<
Is a single day without cable television that bad?

>>

No, but it's the principle of the action.  They should
have contacted us to let us know and make
arrangements.

You know, Rita, I've tried to be nice to you.
But I really have to tell you to go to Hell.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
People are not ruled by their memories.
Roger Smith

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@pobox.com>
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Here is an excellent reason never to be with a large group--you
will do idiotic things. For instance, this group of people who
were standing right outside a revolving door, completely blind
to the people they were blocking. Did the people in this group
lack consideration? No, the "dynamics" of the group overrode
their individual considerations. So they all ended up looking
like insensitive idiots.

However, there is a little principle of public life which people
do need to understand, in a "globalized" society. What's common
to these cases?

1: Five corporate dummies walking super-slow, or standing on
an escalator, in formation, so nobody can pass them.

2: Large Chinese family in a restaurant where the old man
orders everything, when someone younger knows better English.

3: Party with a lot of Indian people, but with Americans
present, who can't get a word in because everyone is talking
continuously and at the same time.

4: Two young black women holding up a bus by walking up to
the stop at a snail's pace.

These are all cases where people have let their own cultural
habits completely rule them, in an inappropriate context.

*I* am the one calling the context inappropriate, of course.
I don't think anybody has made a rule saying that when you
are outside, it's OK, and mostly essential, to do "shocking"
things. But you have got to understand this, man ... A boss
has to tolerate a mere underling by his side, a young man
has to flout his eldest uncle while ordering, two people have
to completely cease talking even in the middle of a conversation,
and the most ladylike lady has to run sometimes. It's, like,
the 21st century. You need "emergent" laws. These are laws
which sort of sit between "daily" laws and "crisis" laws,
and they are now part of life, like it or not.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 9/2/2003 6:40:31 PM Central Daylight Time,
> rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
> <<
> Is a single day without cable television that bad?
>
>
>
> No, but it's the principle of the action.  They should
> have contacted us to let us know and make
> arrangements.


        Yes, they should have.  But I think it's pretty obvious what
you can expect from your landlord at this point. I'm just
interested in how attached you are to these television
programs.  I'm trying to figure out how that works since it
would probably be days before I noticed somebody cut off my
cable (if I had cable).


> You know, Rita, I've tried to be nice to you.
> But I really have to tell you to go to Hell.


        Jeez.  So much for all that dog advice.



        BTW, some guy at Harvard thinks there's nothing wrong with
you according to an article in Newsweek.  You just think
like a boy.  I think he should be denied tenure.  You should
read it.

--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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02003-09-02 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
> No, but it's the principle of the action.  They should
> have contacted us to let us know and make arrangements.

Of course they erred on principle. The question is, is the situation
so serious that these principles come into play?

In my case, it is not. Last Wednesday, I waited all afternoon
for the cable guy to show up and hook it up. Nobody came. I called
them later, and she says "we told you 1 to 5, but he could only
make it at 7:15, sorry, and next Wednesday is the earliest we
can reschedule this."

Which is, going by the principle of the thing, the limit of
irresponsibility. Especially since I have already paid them
everything ... However, to me, personally, it wasn't that
important, so I forgot about it.

> You know, Rita, I've tried to be nice to you.
> But I really have to tell you to go to Hell.

Well, you need a slightly thicker skin. All she asked was whether
the situation is that bad, and the answer is "no". Or maybe "yes".
Whichever. Every such question is not an all-out personal attack.

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Here is Bernard Cohen's analysis of the same event, from Introduction to
Newton's Principia (Harvard, 1971).

"...when Halley came to see Newton there was a general awareness that
planetary orbits are elliptical, and there was good ground for suspecting
that the force (if any) exerted by the Sun on the Earth must vary inversely
as the square of the distance, but no one had yet shows - so far as Halley
knew - a necessary (that is, a logico-mathematical or causal) relation
between the two.  There was only a surmise or a reasonable guess, of the
kind that has no place in science save to serve as an inspiration for
resarch.  So we may see why Newton's immediate reply to Halley's question
was so impressive: the problem had been solved.  Halley would not have been
impressed merely by the fact that Newton said the orbits would be ellipses;
he himself was already convinced of this, as were his colleagues at the
Royal Society, Hooke and Wren.  But it was a feat of extraordinary
consequence to have 'calculated' this result, not merely because to have
done so was a demonstration of more than ordinary skill in mathematics, but
because this feat implied that Newton was so perfect a master of
mathematical celestial physics that he had been able to solve an oustanding
scientific problem of the age: what makes the planets go?"

According to Cohen, our knowledge of Halley's visit comes from: 1686
correspondence between Halley and Newton; manuscripts by Newton circa 1713
("during the controversy with Leibniz over priority in the discovery of the
calculus") and most importantly from a memorandum, November 1727, by Abraham
De Moivre.  Cohen expresses some doubts about the accuracy of De Moivre's
account because it was written quite late, and De Moivre is not explicit
about the source of the tale.

Here's De M's account: " In 1684 Dr. Halley came to visit him at Cambridge,
   after they had been some time together, the Dr. asked him what he thought
the Curve would be that would be described by the Planets supposing the
force of attraction towards the Sun to be reciprocal to the square of their
distance from it.  Sir Isaac replied immediately that it would be an
Ellipsis,   the Dr. struck with joy and amazement asked him how he knew it.
  Why saith he I have calculated it,     Whereupon Dr Halley asked for his
calculation without any further delay, Sr Isaac looked among his papers but
could not find it, but he promised him to renew it & then to send it him"

Cohen:  "This presentation of Halley's visit has one curious aspect.  Newton
would have been able to prove that, if an oject moves along an ellipse under
the action of a central force directed to a focus, then that force must vary
as the inverse square of the distance.  But as told, Halley's question an
Newton's answer imply that Newton could prove the converse.  Surely this is
wrong, since the converse is not true.  That is, under the action of an
inverse-square force, an object will not necessarily move along an ellipse,
but its path will be either a straight line directed toward the center of
the force, or a curve that may be a circle, a parabola, an ellipse, or even
an hyperbola.  It is possible that the question attributed to Halley is
given incorrectly, and that Halley actually asked Newton the converse: what
the force would be _if a planet moves along an ellipse_.  Alternatively, the
De Moivre account may presuppose that only the ellipse would have been
considered an admissible answer.  The other conic sections might have been
removed from consideration by Halley's specific reference to planets.  In
any event we may, I think, be sure that neither Hallye nor Newton would have
discussed such a major question in a loose and inexact fashion."


>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: One man distinguishes a blind alley from an open road
>Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 18:29:23 -0500
>
>   Halley put the question to Newton directly in August 1684: supposing an
>   inverse-square law of attraction toward the sun, what sort of curve
>would
>   a planet make? Newton told him: an ellipse. He said he had calculated
>this
>   long before. He would not give Halley the proof--he said he could not
>lay
>   his hands on it--but promised to redo it and send it along.
>
>   ...
>
>   As he wrote, computed, and wrote more, he saw the pins of a cosmic lock
>   tumbling into place, one by one. [He asked for data about comets and
>   tides.] If celestial laws were to be established, all the phenomena must
>   obey them.
>
>   The alchemical furnaces went cold; the theological manuscripts were
>   shelveed. A fever possessed him, like none since the plague years. He
>ate
>   mainly in his rooms, a few bites standing up. He wrote standing at the
>   desk. ...
>
>   Though he had dropped alchemy for now, Newton had learned from it. He
>   embraced invisible forces. He knew he was going to have to allow planets
>   to influence one another from a distance. ...

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In the cultural context of diet, perhaps its connection is redundancy, but
that treacle-hound Orwell would have disagreed;

>You keep using the word "bad". To my recollection, you have never
>established its connection with the word "English".

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On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>In my case, it is not. Last Wednesday, I waited all afternoon
>for the cable guy to show up and hook it up. Nobody came. I called
>them later, and she says "we told you 1 to 5, but he could only
>make it at 7:15, sorry, and next Wednesday is the earliest we
>can reschedule this."

When this sort of thing happens here - as it often does - and it is
Comcast's fault, I usually ask the cable guy what I should do and then he
usually calls Comcast and <negotiates> a major reduction in my bill for a
few weeks.

Bethany

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I'm sorry, Rita, I shouldn't have written what I did.

It's just all this pressure on me, and no one to help.

Evelyn Duncan
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Roger Smith

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It is possible that the question is given incorrectly, and that
what needs actually to be asked is the converse.

02003-09-02 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> In the cultural context of diet, perhaps its connection is redundancy, but
> that treacle-hound Orwell would have disagreed;
>
> >You keep using the word "bad". To my recollection, you have never
> >established its connection with the word "English".

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I have a Yahoo mail account which I use occasionally when travelling.  Most of the time I get little mail, not even much spam.  But a few moments ago I was alerted on my screen that I had mail in Yahoo . . . in fact, the mail started spilling onto my screen when I hadn't even gone to Yahoo.  It  was weird.  When I went there, the mail was coming in faster than I could delete it.  I'd guess there were 500-600 messages, most of them from MailerDaemon@springboardhosting.com.
with the subject "failure notice".  There were also some from Postmaster.

Still some coming in and interrupting anything I am doing.  Very obnoxious.

             - D. M.

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02003-09-02 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> If only he hadn't gotten distracted by this elliptical nonsense, perhaps
> he'd have finally discovered something practical, like a way to turn lead
> into gold.  Isn't this, at the end of the millenium, just another case of
> misplaced priorities and bad diet?

You keep using the word "bad". To my recollection, you have never
established its connection with the word "English".

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I think any geometric commonality among these cases may form a hyperbola.
As we critique these cases, should we give any weight to intent?

In case 3, for instance, enthusiastic chaos may have inadvertently
outweighed courtesy, but the greater good of the larger group may justify
the momentary inconvenience of the Americans (presumed to be English
speakers).  On a much larger scale, the same thing happens to any
non-English-speaking sojourner in the U.S. I think it's generally harmless
until it morphs into nativist attempts to outlaw multilingualism.  Intention
efforts at linguistic exclusionism strike me as naughty examples of group
behavior, but then, sometimes they serve a purpose.  For instance, at poker
tables in the U.S., it's routine to find "english-only" rules enforced, with
the intent of preventing collusion.

If case 1 were, rather than "corporate dummies," a group of blue-haired
words-l crones or a husband and wife with three toddlers, would you then
strongly object, or is it the corporate nature of the pack that bothers you?

In case 2, is the family in an English-speaking restaurant, or in a
Cantonese joint?  (I suppose in the Cantonese joint, the behavior would be
endorsed by the context...)

I find case 4 particularly interesting.  I think power politics are at play
here, and the snail's pace is an instrument of sedition, a sort of
non-violent agression, a kind of Gandhian cultural stoppage of which I
heartily approve. Anything that stops the buses from rolling on time is fine
by me.

However, there is a little principle of public life which people
>do need to understand, in a "globalized" society. What's common
>to these cases?
>
>1: Five corporate dummies walking super-slow, or standing on
>an escalator, in formation, so nobody can pass them.
>
>2: Large Chinese family in a restaurant where the old man
>orders everything, when someone younger knows better English.
>
>3: Party with a lot of Indian people, but with Americans
>present, who can't get a word in because everyone is talking
>continuously and at the same time.
>
>4: Two young black women holding up a bus by walking up to
>the stop at a snail's pace.
>
>These are all cases where people have let their own cultural
>habits completely rule them, in an inappropriate context.
>
>*I* am the one calling the context inappropriate, of course.
>I don't think anybody has made a rule saying that when you
>are outside, it's OK, and mostly essential, to do "shocking"
>things. But you have got to understand this, man ... A boss
>has to tolerate a mere underling by his side, a young man
>has to flout his eldest uncle while ordering, two people have
>to completely cease talking even in the middle of a conversation,
>and the most ladylike lady has to run sometimes. It's, like,
>the 21st century. You need "emergent" laws. These are laws
>which sort of sit between "daily" laws and "crisis" laws,
>and they are now part of life, like it or not.

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02003-09-02 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Cohen:  "This presentation of Halley's visit has one curious aspect.
> Newton would have been able to prove that, if an oject moves along an
> ellipse under the action of a central force directed to a focus, then
> that force must vary as the inverse square of the distance.  But as told,
> Halley's question an Newton's answer imply that Newton could prove the
> converse.  Surely this is wrong, since the converse is not true. [...]

With extreme respect--I think this is the geekiest interpretation
of the event. "Ellipse" was a fact of life, and inverse square was
palpably in the air. When Newton answers "ellipse", he means he can
demonstrate a connection. When a major thinker speaks in a "loose
and inexact fashion", the obvious explanation is that it was in a
context. They both understood exactly what was asked and answered.

As it turns out, the Principia claimed to have proven the existence
of an inverse square law--i.e. the correct claim. It was a formal
publication.

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That which can be asked.

> What is not the converse?
>
> >It is possible that the question is given incorrectly, and that
> >what needs actually to be asked is the converse.

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On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:

>I don't understand how such a thing could happen "often."  How frequently do
>you have to have a cable guy come to your house?  Or do you invite them
>regularly as part of your missionary activities?

LOL! As it happens, I am not the only cable subscriber in Knox County!

Bethany

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What is not the converse?

>It is possible that the question is given incorrectly, and that
>what needs actually to be asked is the converse.

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I don't understand how such a thing could happen "often."  How frequently do
you have to have a cable guy come to your house?  Or do you invite them
regularly as part of your missionary activities?

>From: "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU>

>When this sort of thing happens here - as it often does - and it is
>Comcast's fault, I usually ask the cable guy what I should do and then he
>usually calls Comcast and <negotiates> a major reduction in my bill for a
>few weeks.
>
>Bethany

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>   Though he had dropped alchemy for now, Newton had
> learned from it. He
>   embraced invisible forces. He knew he was going to
> have to allow planets
>   to influence one another from a distance. ...

This is dynamite stuff, T.S.  Now, I REALLY can't wait
until the book gets here.


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Greetings,

I love you, man.

BB

At 06:53 PM 9/2/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Here is an excellent reason never to be with a large group--you
>will do idiotic things. For instance, this group of people who
>were standing right outside a revolving door, completely blind
>to the people they were blocking. Did the people in this group
>lack consideration? No, the "dynamics" of the group overrode
>their individual considerations. So they all ended up looking
>like insensitive idiots.
>
>However, there is a little principle of public life which people
>do need to understand, in a "globalized" society. What's common
>to these cases?
>
>1: Five corporate dummies walking super-slow, or standing on
>an escalator, in formation, so nobody can pass them.
>
>2: Large Chinese family in a restaurant where the old man
>orders everything, when someone younger knows better English.
>
>3: Party with a lot of Indian people, but with Americans
>present, who can't get a word in because everyone is talking
>continuously and at the same time.
>
>4: Two young black women holding up a bus by walking up to
>the stop at a snail's pace.
>
>These are all cases where people have let their own cultural
>habits completely rule them, in an inappropriate context.
>
>*I* am the one calling the context inappropriate, of course.
>I don't think anybody has made a rule saying that when you
>are outside, it's OK, and mostly essential, to do "shocking"
>things. But you have got to understand this, man ... A boss
>has to tolerate a mere underling by his side, a young man
>has to flout his eldest uncle while ordering, two people have
>to completely cease talking even in the middle of a conversation,
>and the most ladylike lady has to run sometimes. It's, like,
>the 21st century. You need "emergent" laws. These are laws
>which sort of sit between "daily" laws and "crisis" laws,
>and they are now part of life, like it or not.

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Thanks for the clarification.  By the way, do you want me to photocopy the
Cohen pages and send them along?

>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:23:56 -0500
>
>Greetings,
>
>02003-09-02 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > I think any geometric commonality among these cases may form a
>hyperbola.
> > As we critique these cases, should we give any weight to intent?
>
>Thank you roundly for your inclination and keen focus. Indeed, there
>may be some eccentricity in my formulation of the events, but given
>its unavoidability, it is far better that it be hyperbolic than
>elliptical.
>
>My entire thesis makes or breaks with the hypothesis that all such
>behavior is unintentional. If it were intentional, large differences
>of opinion would naturally arise about each case, leading me to
>concede readily that an unconscious thirst for a unified thesis
>may quite possibly have dictated my hypothesis.
>
> > In case 3, for instance, enthusiastic chaos may have inadvertently
> > outweighed courtesy, but the greater good of the larger group may
> > justify the momentary inconvenience of the Americans (presumed to
> > be English speakers).  On a much larger scale, the same thing happens
> > to any non-English-speaking sojourner in the U.S. I think it's generally
> > harmless until it morphs into nativist attempts to outlaw
>multilingualism.
>
>The example was less about multilingualism than turn-taking patterns.
>Beginning one's turn before the other person has strictly "ended" theirs,
>thus overlapping your utterances, will block out those who refrain from
>these, what they hear as, "interruptions". This seems to have the hallmark
>of thoroughly unintentional censoring.
>
> > If case 1 were, rather than "corporate dummies," a group of blue-haired
> > words-l crones or a husband and wife with three toddlers, would you then
> > strongly object, or is it the corporate nature of the pack that bothers
> > you?
>
>To indulge in loose and inexact phrasing, it is the corporate nature.
>For in moving from a family with toddlers to an hierarchical pack, we
>cross the line from "objective" to "socially constructed" concerns.
>Certainly this is a treacherous line of thought to pursue, but of
>course I imply not a clean dichotomy between the two types so much
>as the degree of "intersubjectivity". Toddlers have provably concrete
>needs as far as being kept an eye on, physically restrained from straying
>off or tripping over, etc, and these are comprehensible to most of the
>humanity you will find in any public space. A specific boss's needs, on
>the other hand, are a closed book to the rest of the world, their being
>insufficiently intersubjective. A "corporation", then, which goes to
>extremes in this direction, will develop into an isolationist commune.
>
> > In case 2, is the family in an English-speaking restaurant, or in a
> > Cantonese joint?  (I suppose in the Cantonese joint, the behavior would
> > be endorsed by the context...)
>
>In an English-speaking restaurant. It is essential to assume that, since
>the conclusion is that one's "high-context" laws of a homogeneous culture
>must be hung up when in a "low-context" heterogeneous cultural zone.
>
> > I find case 4 particularly interesting.  I think power politics are at
> > play here, and the snail's pace is an instrument of sedition, a sort of
> > non-violent agression, a kind of Gandhian cultural stoppage of which I
> > heartily approve. Anything that stops the buses from rolling on time is
> > fine by me.
>
>The possibility cannot entirely be ruled out. Yet, a notion of femininity
>is unmistakably at play, which is as unmistakably considered exaggerated
>by others. This may be proved by observing that at times, extremely
>ladylike women have forgone a bus altogether. At the same time, it
>is unclear what the nonviolent attrition, if any, is directed at,
>except perhaps the very amorphous phenomenon of their invisibility.

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Yup, I think Cohen is probably a geeky chap.

The nature of the Principia is not in dispute.  Rather, Cohen is examining
the precise nature of the genesis of De motu and Principia, and the role of
the Halley visit, which after all must be one of the most significant
moments in the history of science. Cohen spends pages analyzing the
documentary history around the event.  Cohen's critique isn't of Newton and
Halley, but of the source for the most popular and repeated account of the
visit, which was written nearly forty years after the fact.

>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>

>With extreme respect--I think this is the geekiest interpretation
>of the event. "Ellipse" was a fact of life, and inverse square was
>palpably in the air. When Newton answers "ellipse", he means he can
>demonstrate a connection. When a major thinker speaks in a "loose
>and inexact fashion", the obvious explanation is that it was in a
>context. They both understood exactly what was asked and answered.
>
>As it turns out, the Principia claimed to have proven the existence
>of an inverse square law--i.e. the correct claim. It was a formal
>publication.

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Ah, so your proselytizing has been successful!  Congratulations.  I would
love to be a cable missionary in some unenlightened corner of the planet.


>From: "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:50:55 -0400
>
>On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
>
> >I don't understand how such a thing could happen "often."  How frequently
>do
> >you have to have a cable guy come to your house?  Or do you invite them
> >regularly as part of your missionary activities?
>
>LOL! As it happens, I am not the only cable subscriber in Knox County!
>
>Bethany

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Greetings,

02003-09-02 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> I think any geometric commonality among these cases may form a hyperbola.
> As we critique these cases, should we give any weight to intent?

Thank you roundly for your inclination and keen focus. Indeed, there
may be some eccentricity in my formulation of the events, but given
its unavoidability, it is far better that it be hyperbolic than
elliptical.

My entire thesis makes or breaks with the hypothesis that all such
behavior is unintentional. If it were intentional, large differences
of opinion would naturally arise about each case, leading me to
concede readily that an unconscious thirst for a unified thesis
may quite possibly have dictated my hypothesis.

> In case 3, for instance, enthusiastic chaos may have inadvertently
> outweighed courtesy, but the greater good of the larger group may
> justify the momentary inconvenience of the Americans (presumed to
> be English speakers).  On a much larger scale, the same thing happens
> to any non-English-speaking sojourner in the U.S. I think it's generally
> harmless until it morphs into nativist attempts to outlaw multilingualism.

The example was less about multilingualism than turn-taking patterns.
Beginning one's turn before the other person has strictly "ended" theirs,
thus overlapping your utterances, will block out those who refrain from
these, what they hear as, "interruptions". This seems to have the hallmark
of thoroughly unintentional censoring.

> If case 1 were, rather than "corporate dummies," a group of blue-haired
> words-l crones or a husband and wife with three toddlers, would you then
> strongly object, or is it the corporate nature of the pack that bothers
> you?

To indulge in loose and inexact phrasing, it is the corporate nature.
For in moving from a family with toddlers to an hierarchical pack, we
cross the line from "objective" to "socially constructed" concerns.
Certainly this is a treacherous line of thought to pursue, but of
course I imply not a clean dichotomy between the two types so much
as the degree of "intersubjectivity". Toddlers have provably concrete
needs as far as being kept an eye on, physically restrained from straying
off or tripping over, etc, and these are comprehensible to most of the
humanity you will find in any public space. A specific boss's needs, on
the other hand, are a closed book to the rest of the world, their being
insufficiently intersubjective. A "corporation", then, which goes to
extremes in this direction, will develop into an isolationist commune.

> In case 2, is the family in an English-speaking restaurant, or in a
> Cantonese joint?  (I suppose in the Cantonese joint, the behavior would
> be endorsed by the context...)

In an English-speaking restaurant. It is essential to assume that, since
the conclusion is that one's "high-context" laws of a homogeneous culture
must be hung up when in a "low-context" heterogeneous cultural zone.

> I find case 4 particularly interesting.  I think power politics are at
> play here, and the snail's pace is an instrument of sedition, a sort of
> non-violent agression, a kind of Gandhian cultural stoppage of which I
> heartily approve. Anything that stops the buses from rolling on time is
> fine by me.

The possibility cannot entirely be ruled out. Yet, a notion of femininity
is unmistakably at play, which is as unmistakably considered exaggerated
by others. This may be proved by observing that at times, extremely
ladylike women have forgone a bus altogether. At the same time, it
is unclear what the nonviolent attrition, if any, is directed at,
except perhaps the very amorphous phenomenon of their invisibility.

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02003-09-02 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> >   Though he had dropped alchemy for now, Newton had learned from it.
> >   He embraced invisible forces. He knew he was going to have to allow
> >   planets to influence one another from a distance. ...
>
> This is dynamite stuff, T.S.  Now, I REALLY can't wait
> until the book gets here.

You are an utter, pathetic, geek. Coffee sometime?

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> I have a Yahoo mail account which I use occasionally
> when travelling.  Most of the time I get little
> mail, not even much spam.  But a few moments ago I
> was alerted on my screen that I had mail in Yahoo .
> . . in fact, the mail started spilling onto my
> screen when I hadn't even gone to Yahoo.  It  was
> weird.  When I went there, the mail was coming in
> faster than I could delete it.  I'd guess there were
> 500-600 messages, most of them from
> MailerDaemon@springboardhosting.com.
> with the subject "failure notice".  There were also
> some from Postmaster.
>
> Still some coming in and interrupting anything I am
> doing.  Very obnoxious.


As you can see, I use Yahoo, and haven't had any
problems since the day after Adam put in the big fix.
I get surprisingly little spam with it.

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02003-09-02 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Ah, so your proselytizing has been successful!  Congratulations.  I would
> love to be a cable missionary in some unenlightened corner of the planet.

It is not all fun and games. Angry telecom assailants often lurk
in the shadows.

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Hmm.  So long as they don't interrupt me, or give me the old centripetal
heave-ho, we'll get along just fine.

>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> > Ah, so your proselytizing has been successful!  Congratulations.  I
>would
> > love to be a cable missionary in some unenlightened corner of the
>planet.
>
>It is not all fun and games. Angry telecom assailants often lurk
>in the shadows.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> I'm sorry, Rita, I shouldn't have written what I did.


        That's ok.


> It's just all this pressure on me, and no one to help.


        Ah, One More Thing.  I recognize that!  I wish your mom were
more of a help to you.

        Something that helps me lately is to cut people some slack
when they piss me off.  Not because they deserve it, but
because it's not worth the energy to be angry. It sounds
like your cable cutters are of diminished mental capacity.
Sometimes it is easier to just shake your head at idiots
than waste a lot of energy, which you don't have any more
than I do, being angry.  It still sucks that you have One
More Thing to deal with, of course.  (And this sounds all
lovely and Zen-like, but I only achieve it part of the time,
actually, and the rest of the time I'm a total stress puppy.)


> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> People are not ruled by their memories.
> Roger Smith


        Hm.. I think Roger is wrong.  I think we are our memories.




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> You are an utter, pathetic, geek. Coffee sometime?


Yes, please.  But please wait until after I read the
book.  Unless, of course, you want to continue to
condense and paraphrase it, sort of like Tushar's Notes.

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02003-09-02 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Thanks for the clarification.  By the way, do you want me to photocopy the
> Cohen pages and send them along?

No, I will check it out of the library as soon as possible. The
largest public library outside the Loop is one of the chief reasons
I moved to this neighborhood (not to speak of several trees with
ready-to-drop fruit). It is time I acted on the plan. However,
thank you for the offer.

Yesterday, while purchasing Q-Tips at Walgreens, the person next
in line asked me whether I liked the book. She also mentioned that
she had just written a paper on Isaac Newton, and imparted the
valuable update that Gleick had recently read from the book at
the Co-op bookstore. A second Newtonian revolution is clearly
imminent.

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02003-09-02 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > You are an utter, pathetic, geek. Coffee sometime?
>
> Yes, please.  But please wait until after I read the
> book.  Unless, of course, you want to continue to
> condense and paraphrase it, sort of like Tushar's Notes.

Thank you for being the first pathetic geek to say "yes".

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At 08:41 PM 9/2/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>Yesterday, while purchasing Q-Tips at Walgreens, the person next
>in line asked me whether I liked the book. She also mentioned that

What do you use the Q-Tips for?

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Rita Chapman wrote:
> I'm just
> interested in how attached you are to these television
> programs.  I'm trying to figure out how that works since it
> would probably be days before I noticed somebody cut off my
> cable (if I had cable).

See my recent posting re that.  I also wouldn't notice for a long time
if my tv set died.  But I'm addicted to e-mail.  Different strokes and
all that.

> > You know, Rita, I've tried to be nice to you.
> > But I really have to tell you to go to Hell.
>
>         Jeez.  So much for all that dog advice.

Evelyn:  Rita is not nearly as snippy ftf as she sometimes sounds on the
list.

>         BTW, some guy at Harvard thinks there's nothing wrong with
> you according to an article in Newsweek.  You just think
> like a boy.  I think he should be denied tenure.  You should
> read it.

I'm lost in this paragraph.  This week's Newsweek?  Mine is still
sitting unopened.  As I think I said earlier, this week has gotten out
of control.  I will look at it next week in search of Evelyn.  The
Harvard guy says that Evelyn thinks like a boy?

--
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02003-09-02 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 08:41 PM 9/2/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >Yesterday, while purchasing Q-Tips at Walgreens, the person next
> >in line asked me whether I liked the book. She also mentioned that
>
> What do you use the Q-Tips for?

Mascara.

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At 08:44 PM 9/2/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>02003-09-02 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > Greetings,
> >
> > I love you, man.
> >
> > BB
>
>Greetings,
>
>You appear to have made an elliptical high-context utterance
>in a low-context heterogeneous space. Perhaps you would like
>to reformulate it to ensure better social cohesion.

Is this an all out personal attack?

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They are essential in the replication of Newtonian experiments.


>From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>

>What do you use the Q-Tips for?

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Tushar:
> You appear to have made an elliptical high-context utterance
> in a low-context heterogeneous space. Perhaps you would like
> to reformulate it to ensure better social cohesion.


Note to self:
In next life be born in India to learn
English!  Yowee, those kids can
verbalize!

          - D. M.

           - D. M.

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So I can
> understand that some
> people might find a single day without tv upsetting.


It's very much a matter of habit.  If one is
anticipating something for a few days or more (or
less), it can be very upsetting when something
interferes, as in the case of having unexpected guests
when something special is planned.

Also, it's nice to know something is there if you want
it - for example, the telephone.

It may be the interruption of daily services that
leads to revolution.

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02003-09-02 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> I trust this will be an elliptical spin.

And if not, it will be provided by historians.

> I spent the evening reading the definitions at the beginning
> of the Principia.

A laudable activity. Gleick, who seems to be making rather more
of a fuss about linguistic issues than necessary, suggests that
Newton chose Latin partly in order to escape from loaded English
words. One wonders how Latin words for primary philosophical
notions such as space, time and quantity could have been load-
free in the 1680s.

> >the Co-op bookstore. A second Newtonian revolution is clearly
> >imminent.

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At 08:50 PM 9/2/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-09-02 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > At 08:41 PM 9/2/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >Yesterday, while purchasing Q-Tips at Walgreens, the person next
> > >in line asked me whether I liked the book. She also mentioned that
> >
> > What do you use the Q-Tips for?
>
>Mascara.

Removal?

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         Is a single day without cable television that bad?

That was my first thought when I read the posting, but then I realized
that it depends on one's habits and preferences.  A single day without
computer access would have me cussing (if it was an ordinary day -- one
when I'm not traveling or whatever).  So I can understand that some
people might find a single day without tv upsetting.  It's just quite
alien from my own life, when I sometimes go weeks without thinking about
turning on the tv.

Meanwhile, I may need to spend lots of days not on the computer -- as in
the rest of this week.  But I bet I will anyway.  This week is spinning
out of control.  Tomorrow night I'll be at the Dean Meet-up in Columbus,
the next night at a Humane Society meeting, the next day (Friday)
marching in the MSU pres's inauguration, etc. etc.  And I'm having a
lunch for fourteen people Sunday.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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02003-09-02 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> Greetings,
>
> I love you, man.
>
> BB

Greetings,

You appear to have made an elliptical high-context utterance
in a low-context heterogeneous space. Perhaps you would like
to reformulate it to ensure better social cohesion.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        Is a single day without cable television that bad?
>>
>
> That was my first thought when I read the posting, but then I realized
> that it depends on one's habits and preferences.  A single day without
> computer access would have me cussing (if it was an ordinary day -- one
> when I'm not traveling or whatever).  So I can understand that some
> people might find a single day without tv upsetting.  It's just quite
> alien from my own life, when I sometimes go weeks without thinking about
> turning on the tv.

        I used to think the same thing, but every now and then I
won't have Internet access, and after a few minutes it
doesn't bother me at all.  I'm a little compulsive about
checking my email all day, but it seems to be a relatively
easy habit for me to break.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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I trust this will be an elliptical spin.  I spent the evening reading the
definitions at the beginning of the Principia.

>the Co-op bookstore. A second Newtonian revolution is clearly
>imminent.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> I'm sorry, Rita, I shouldn't have written what I did.

I don't think you need to apologize.  Spitting it out on Words-L is a
tradition.

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On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>the rest of this week.  But I bet I will anyway.  This week is spinning
>out of control.  Tomorrow night I'll be at the Dean Meet-up in Columbus,
>the next night at a Humane Society meeting, the next day (Friday)
>marching in the MSU pres's inauguration, etc. etc.  And I'm having a
>lunch for fourteen people Sunday.

Then perhaps ou will be glad to know that you will not have to worry about
either being invited or not invited to a to house warming or house blessing
immediately. The BIG m-o-v-i-n-g day will be Sept. 22. But before then, I
will try to move all paintings, all sculpture except da big buddha, all
clothing, all food and dishes, etc. I will probably still be moving the
last of the paintings, etc. up until Sept. 30. But I plan to sleep in my
condo beginning on Sept. 22, maybe before if I put some kind of bed or
bedding in the <guest> bedroom. I suppose there is no way around paying
for dual telephone service - but maybe there is. I plan to switch to
Comcast DSL, so maybe I will not need my home tel. working over there
immediately.  Does one need a telephone for cable DSL to work? Surely not
... but I don't know.

Cable, by the way, is much less expnsive at HH. I will pay $16.00 instead
of $47.15 - apparently for exactly the same service (no HOB, but most
other things). HH was wired for cable at some point, and the reduced
price was negotiated then. I love having a cable outlet in every room -
also a telephone jack.

Did I mention the telephone in the <master> bath? And the two basins,
each with a spray attachment (for washing one's hair, I presume).

Bethany, very much looking forward

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> When this sort of thing happens here - as it often does - and it is
> Comcast's fault, I usually ask the cable guy what I should do and then he
> usually calls Comcast and <negotiates> a major reduction in my bill for a
> few weeks.

Do you shop at Lowe's?  I'm suddenly reminded of a friend's story at
lunch today about his weekend in Knoxville, where his son has recently
started grad school (math).  They were furnishing the son's apartment,
and something involved Lowe's.  I don't remember the details of the
story except that he was laughing about how the Lowe's people in
Knoxville seemed incredulous that he was trying to give them money --
that he was telling them that they were undercharging for whatever.
They said, "You are trying to give US money?"  I hadn't thought about it
when he was telling this story, but now I'm wondering if the surprise at
Knoxville Lowe's was that they're used to Bethany and her <negotiating>.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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02003-09-02 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> Tushar:
> > You appear to have made an elliptical high-context utterance
> > in a low-context heterogeneous space. Perhaps you would like
> > to reformulate it to ensure better social cohesion.
>
>
> Note to self:
> In next life be born in India to learn
> English!  Yowee, those kids can
> verbalize!

That may be true--however, it may be your cultural priority
to make sense rather than utter convoluted sentences.

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Ah so!

At 09:51 PM 9/2/2003 -0400, Marty Rosen wrote:
>They are essential in the replication of Newtonian experiments.
>
>
>>From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
>
>>What do you use the Q-Tips for?

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02003-09-02 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >> Greetings,
> >>
> >> I love you, man.
> >>
> >> BB
> >
> >Greetings,
> >
> >You appear to have made an elliptical high-context utterance
> >in a low-context heterogeneous space. Perhaps you would like
> >to reformulate it to ensure better social cohesion.
>
> Is this an all out personal attack?

Natural philosophers do not recognize this concept. I would
prefer to call it an opposite and equal reaction.

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02003-09-02 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 08:50 PM 9/2/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-09-02 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >> At 08:41 PM 9/2/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> >Yesterday, while purchasing Q-Tips at Walgreens, the person next
> >> >in line asked me whether I liked the book. She also mentioned that
> >>
> >> What do you use the Q-Tips for?
> >
> >Mascara.
>
> Removal?

This being far from a free service, I urge you to read
the Principia in the original.

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02003-09-02 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> >
> > I'm sorry, Rita, I shouldn't have written what I did.
>
> I don't think you need to apologize.  Spitting it out on Words-L is a
> tradition.

Besides, it was the mildest "spitting out" I have heard in a decade.

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> Besides, it was the mildest "spitting out" I have
> heard in a decade.


Perhaps you can instigate something more provocative.

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02003-09-02 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > Besides, it was the mildest "spitting out" I have
> > heard in a decade.
>
> Perhaps you can instigate something more provocative.

That is a variety of second-order instigation which is
impossible to achieve without the infinitesimal calculus.

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> > > You appear to have made an elliptical high-context utterance
> > > in a low-context heterogeneous space. Perhaps you would like
> > > to reformulate it to ensure better social cohesion.
> >
> >
> > Note to self:
> > In next life be born in India to learn
> > English!  Yowee, those kids can
> > verbalize!
>
> That may be true--however, it may be your cultural priority
> to make sense rather than utter convoluted sentences.

Omigod!  You have given me an inspiration.
I will start a corporation and call it:

          AMERISENSE

Thank you, Tushar.
\
             - D. M.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         I used to think the same thing, but every now and then I
> won't have Internet access, and after a few minutes it
> doesn't bother me at all.  I'm a little compulsive about
> checking my email all day, but it seems to be a relatively
> easy habit for me to break.

I've noticed that when traveling in recent months.  I used to feel
compelled to find net access wherever I was in the world.  I still do
like to check when I can while traveling, but it's not as big a
compulsion as it used to be.  I don't go out of my way to find it.

Still, though, if I were sitting here right now with no net access, I
would be cussing big-time.  I'm arranging lots of things via e-mail and
communicating with a wide assortment of people.  A break in that
communication would be major.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Speaking of Dean meet-ups, the bar which I repaired to after the
official Jazz Fest, to listen to the unofficial appendices thereto,
seemed to be hosting a Dean for America party at the same time.
This was unexpected to the musicians--yet I must say I have never
seen so many hot mammas in one place! This has created inchoate
political stirrings in me.

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In a message dated 9/2/2003 8:38:18 PM Central Daylight Time,
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
<<
Something that helps me lately is to cut people some slack
when they piss me off.  Not because they deserve it, but
because it's not worth the energy to be angry. It sounds
like your cable cutters are of diminished mental capacity.

>>

What if you don't have any more slack to cut?

If they charge us for the repairs, I'm going to cancel the
cable.  The only program I really will miss will be Big O
on Cartoon Network (there are some more anime that
I will miss, but not as much: .hack//sign and inuyasha).

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
People are not ruled by their memories.
Roger Smith

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> It's very much a matter of habit.  If one is
> anticipating something for a few days or more (or
> less), it can be very upsetting when something
> interferes,

Yes.  I will be mightily po'ed if my tv set dies on Sept. 18.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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In a message dated 9/2/2003 8:49:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
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The
Harvard guy says that Evelyn thinks like a boy?

>>

I wouldn't be surprised.  I've always been more interested
guy nerd things:  manga, anime, computers.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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Roger Smith

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Tushar Samant writes,

>I consider this a needlessly snippy remark:

You need Baron-Cohen's empathy and systemising quizzes:

<http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/news/page/0,12983,937443,00.html>

Also see the Cartesian chart for your EQ/SQ results to determine your brain
type:

<http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/news/page/0,12983,937443,00.html>

Pete

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> If they charge us for the repairs, I'm going to
> cancel the
> cable.

Surely they can't charge you for a situation they
brought about.

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In a message dated 9/2/2003 9:30:30 PM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
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>If they charge us for the repairs, I'm going to
>cancel the
>cable.

Surely they can't charge you for a situation they
brought about.

>>

They might try.

I want the apartment complex to pay for installation and
one month of digital cable.  if they cover that, i will be
happy.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
People are not ruled by their memories.
Roger Smith

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> type:
>
> <http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/news/page/0,12983,937443,00.html>
>
> Pete

I am a man.  A little late to be
finding this out.

          - D. M.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> BTW, one of my favorite things to do is tell independent contractors,
> notaries public, etc. that they do not charge enough - many do not. I pay
> them more than they ask. But I seldom tell corporations that.

Notaries public charge?  I've had to have a zillion of my signatures
notarized since my mother died -- I hope the last ones were the ones
today -- and there has been no charge.  I asked about a charge the first
time since I thought it made sense for there to be a charge.  But I was
told no.  I've used various notaries, some on campus, some at banks, and
none charge.  I told the ones on campus that it had nothing to do with
MSU, and they've said that that didn't matter.  I've asked the bank ones
whether it mattered whether I was a customer of that bank, and they've
said no -- that anybody could use their free service.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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02003-09-02 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant writes,
>
> >A second Newtonian revolution is clearly imminent.
>
> I'm waiting for you to read Wolfram's _New Kind of Science_
> <http://www.wolframscience.com/> so you can tell us whether the universe is
> just a bunch of cellular automata or not.

The answer is yes.

True, it flips to "no" when the right kind of parallel universes
show up around the corner, but "no" flips to "yes" at the same
time, which resultant invariant is known as the universal constant.

This was known to Thomas Vaughan.

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> Notaries public charge?    I told the ones on campus
that it had
> nothing to do with
> MSU, and they've said that that didn't matter.  I've
> asked the bank ones
> whether it mattered whether I was a customer of that
> bank, and they've
> said no -- that anybody could use their free
> service.

I am bonded by the City, and do not charge, but may
not notarize anything that is not City business.  When
my mother was a Notary in PA, most notaries did
charge, but she did not.

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Tushar Samant writes,

>Are there versions where numerical answers may be given on unambiguously
>defined scales?

An ironic shortcoming, to be sure.

Pete

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On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Then perhaps ou will be glad to know that you will not have to worry about
>> either being invited or not invited to a to house warming or house blessing
>> immediately.
>
>The warming/blessing is going to occur this week??

??? As I said, you may be glad to know that you will not have to worry
about such festivities immediately.

>>  I suppose there is no way around paying
>> for dual telephone service - but maybe there is. I plan to switch to
>> Comcast DSL, so maybe I will not need my home tel. working over there
>> immediately.  Does one need a telephone for cable DSL to work? Surely not
>> ... but I don't know.
>
>You've lost me.  Why do you think you need dual telephone service?  I

So I can check email.

>cable modem and cell phone, with no wired phone?  But again -- aren't
>you going to be living in one place or the other?  I don't get the dual
>thing.

Not for a few days. It will be more comfortabe to be in my new place as
soon as I can be - but I will not be <living> there until everything is
moved. And dual service does not cost much. But I do need to build up
savings again, so it <counts>.

Bethany

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02003-09-02 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant writes,
>
> >Are there versions where numerical answers may be given on unambiguously
> >defined scales?
>
> An ironic shortcoming, to be sure.

I expect that "ironic shortcoming" is-a "shortcoming", preferably
for-all "shortcoming". If not, it is beyond my comprehension.

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>The Harvard guy says that Evelyn thinks like a boy?

That autistic people are just farther over on the male-style-thinking side
of the scale instead of on the female-style.

<http://www.msnbc.com/news/958646.asp>

The article isn't very satisfactory on detail.  They talk of Baron-Cohen's
"model", "but the model takes us only so far."

Pete

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Tushar Samant writes,

>A second Newtonian revolution is clearly imminent.

I'm waiting for you to read Wolfram's _New Kind of Science_
<http://www.wolframscience.com/> so you can tell us whether the universe is
just a bunch of cellular automata or not.

Pete

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02003-09-02 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> > > > You appear to have made an elliptical high-context utterance
> > > > in a low-context heterogeneous space. Perhaps you would like
> > > > to reformulate it to ensure better social cohesion.
> > >
> > >
> > > Note to self:
> > > In next life be born in India to learn
> > > English!  Yowee, those kids can
> > > verbalize!
> >
> > That may be true--however, it may be your cultural priority
> > to make sense rather than utter convoluted sentences.
>
> Omigod!  You have given me an inspiration.
> I will start a corporation and call it:
>
>           AMERISENSE
>
> Thank you, Tushar.
> \

All I have to offer is extremely convoluted business plans
which get instant approval. Do not underestimate them.

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On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Do you shop at Lowe's?  I'm suddenly reminded of a friend's story at

I never have. I did try to rent a sort of trolley thing there once - their
insurance policy does not allow them to do that.

BTW, one of my favorite things to do is tell independent contractors,
notaries public, etc. that they do not charge enough - many do not. I pay
them more than they ask. But I seldom tell corporations that.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >marching in the MSU pres's inauguration, etc. etc.  And I'm having a
> >lunch for fourteen people Sunday.
>
> Then perhaps ou will be glad to know that you will not have to worry about
> either being invited or not invited to a to house warming or house blessing
> immediately.

The warming/blessing is going to occur this week??

>  I suppose there is no way around paying
> for dual telephone service - but maybe there is. I plan to switch to
> Comcast DSL, so maybe I will not need my home tel. working over there
> immediately.  Does one need a telephone for cable DSL to work? Surely not
> ... but I don't know.

You've lost me.  Why do you think you need dual telephone service?  I
would ask that even if I didn't think you had a cell phone, but with a
cell phone it seems especially strange that you need two wired places.
I tend to think of a phone as being in the place you're sleeping in.
Like I got my phone changed on my moving day (though it occurred in the
wee hours, which I hadn't known it would).

I don't know anything first-hand about cable modem, but I don't think
your phone line would be involved.  Aren't some people these days using
cable modem and cell phone, with no wired phone?  But again -- aren't
you going to be living in one place or the other?  I don't get the dual
thing.

> Did I mention the telephone in the <master> bath?

This reminds me of the question I think I asked a good while back about
cell-phone etiquette and flushing toilets.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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02003-09-02 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant writes,
>
> >I consider this a needlessly snippy remark:
>
> You need Baron-Cohen's empathy and systemising quizzes:
>
> <http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/news/page/0,12983,937443,00.html>
>
> Also see the Cartesian chart for your EQ/SQ results to determine your brain
> type:
>
> <http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/news/page/0,12983,937443,00.html>

After failing to program a Flash viewer for my QNX-embedded
wristwatch, I was unable to determine which strong feeling
I was experiencing. However, kicking my mouse violently led
me straight to the non-interactive versions of the tests.
The questions ask for strong or slight agreement or dis-
agreement, and I am utterly unable to answer them. Are
there versions where numerical answers may be given on
unambiguously defined scales?

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On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

>I am a man.  A little late to be
>finding this out.

Will you buy a new wardrobe?

Bethany

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On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>> Will you buy a new wardrobe?
>
>Will you offer her a good price for the old one?

I don't know. I cannot figure out whether I am a man or a woman.

Bethany

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> On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> >I am a man.  A little late to be
> >finding this out.
>
> Will you buy a new wardrobe?
>
> Bethany

No.  But I'm thinking about learning
to hawk, spit, and cuss.

               - D. M.

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In a message dated 9/2/2003 8:54:22 PM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Also, it's nice to know something is there if you want
it - for example, the telephone.

>>

If it weren't for Internet access, I could do very well without
a landline.  My cell phone will do just fine for emergencies.

And it's not just cable we're out, but local channels as well.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
People are not ruled by their memories.
Roger Smith

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Here's a review of Baron-Cohen's book, _The Essential Difference: The Truth
about the Male and Female Brain_

<http://www.powells.com/review/2003_08_29.html>

and his bio page at ARC in Cambridge:

<http://www.autismresearchcentre.com/arc/staff_member.asp?id=33>

Pete

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My habits and preferences are such that a day without food
would be impossible to endure.

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On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> and the most ladylike lady has to run sometimes. It's, like,
> the 21st century. You need "emergent" laws. These are laws
> which sort of sit between "daily" laws and "crisis" laws,
> and they are now part of life, like it or not.

If people didn't do these things, I don't know, seems like everything
would move WAY TOO FAST.  Jeez lighten up and slow down.

Particularly, let the old man order.

Let pedestrians rule!  (that's just an extra added thought)

Ann

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I were already moved, I could go sit in my Whirlpool!

Bethany

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02003-09-02 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> Here's a review of Baron-Cohen's book, _The Essential Difference: The Truth
> about the Male and Female Brain_
>
> <http://www.powells.com/review/2003_08_29.html>

I consider this a needlessly snippy remark:

> But I'm showing my poor systemizing skills here
> and getting ahead of myself.

I would like to hack into their web server and erase
it tracelessly.

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On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Notaries public charge?  I've had to have a zillion of my signatures

They are allowed to charge a very small fee. If I ask a notary to notarize
several documents for me or to notarize at inconvenient times or
frequently, I pay or contribute to a food/drink fund, etc. - unless I am
having the notarizing done at a law firm for which I occasionally do pro
bono work. Then I do not pay.

Bethany

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> Will you buy a new wardrobe?

Will you offer her a good price for the old one?

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Greetings,

After a careful analysis of the online tests, I have devised a
reliable PQ test. This measures a person's level of Pimp Juice,
and should engender a rather searching intellectual controversy,
not to speak of several more or less zany reality shows. However,
the issue of publishing it on this service leaves me vacillating
like an automaton cell. (A) this space is too small to adjoin the
entire test, and (B) it would be suboptimal to attract snippy
remarks at the Dean meetups I plan to attend with alchemical
fervor.

Perhaps this investigation should remain undiscovered for some
years.

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02003-09-02 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> >> Will you buy a new wardrobe?
> >
> >Will you offer her a good price for the old one?
>
> I don't know. I cannot figure out whether I am a man or a woman.

Upgrade your browser.

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Soon the icon of the Old City will be gone (that's me). And on Friday of
last week, Earth to Old City, the most important anchor tenant on West
Jackson, closed its doors - it will reopen on Market Sq. at the end of
the week. The important anchor tenants on E. Jackson are all antique or
pseudo-antique stores. Everything is going downhill fast.

Our parking lot attendant may have quit. She did not work last Friday, and
I don't think she was here today.

It's a mess here - the city, inexperienced business owners, and greedy
capitalists totally screwed this one up. Unfortunately, I think they will
do the same on Market Sq. I feel privileged to have lived here during the
heyday of the Old City. It is now just a memory.

Bethany

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> Which is, going by the principle of the thing, the limit of
> irresponsibility. Especially since I have already paid them
> everything ... However, to me, personally, it wasn't that
> important, so I forgot about it.

Right.  So let the women stroll to the bus, and LET THE GODDAMNED OLD MAN
ORDER.

Ann

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At 2:28 PM -0700 9/1/03, John Williams wrote:
>>                    Michael gasped in wonder and admiration, but then
>>exclaimed, "What about balance, God? You
>>                    said there would be balance! Everyone and everything
>>seems so totally perfect in this place
>>                    you call Arizona.
>>
>>                    God replied wisely,
>>
>>                    ”Ahh, just wait until you see the assholes I'm
>>putting in the state just to the left of it.”
>>

This is an unwarranted slam against Nevadans.  What did Pete Kaminski ever
do to you?

Ken Miller
Will Rogers School of Geohumorography

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Bookrat writes,

>This is an unwarranted slam against Nevadans.  What did Pete Kaminski ever
>do to you?

It's okay -- Northern Nevada is different from Southern Nevada. ;)

Pete

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09:18 02.09.2003 -0400 skrev bonniev:
> Here is a reconstructed one:
>http://www.museumsnett.no/vsm/vsmengelsk/mortensnes.html
>>but you can still find them in use. Ingjerd's father owns some land at a
>>lake far away from roads etc. where there used to be a gamme - although it
>>has collapsed now.         --Espen
>
>These appear to be very similar to the Scottish "Black Houses".  A very few
>are still in use out on the Hebrides.
>
>http://www.isleofskye.net/threeherons/kenbryan/blackhouse/

Not really similar - this is a more standard version of the one in Northern Norway:

http://www.uit.no/ssweb/gammen/indexno.htm

Espen

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11:27 02.09.2003 -0400 skrev Marty Rosen:
>I love raw oysters when they're of the highest quality.  Wellfleets right
>out of the water can be amazing at times.  Malaspinas, when you can afford
>them, are unbelievable.  In the west, raw shellfish is the only thing we
>still routinely consume while it's in its living state.  That's not the case
>everywhere: Petits Propos Culinaires 44, August 1993, has a fine study of
>"The Mushroom-Growing Termites of Uganda) by Arthur French:L

I love raw oysters as well, and two years ago Marie, Rashmi, my brother and I finally made it to the Oyster Bar at Grand Central Station in NYC. But there is more that can be eaten in its natural state (more or less): apart from sashimi and sushi which has come quite some way from its natural state there is roe: the fresh roe from trout for instance, and not to forget the sea urchins and their roe.

Espen

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12:04 02.09.2003 -0400 skrev Tony Harminc:
>On Saturday, August 30, 2003 at 19:12, Lynne Weber wrote:
>
>> > You know I think the 3 essential places, for me, to visit in San Francisco
>> > are 1. The Golden Gate Bridge, 2.  The Asian Museum, and 3.  The Camera
>> > Obscura by the Clift Hotel.
>>
>> What is Camera Obscura?  Dark secret?
>
>A nice etymological lesson: camera = Latin "room", and in this case
>you are in the (if I may be so bold as to borrow a word) "chamber" as
>the picture is projected onto the wall, floor, etc.

There is a camera obscura in Edinburgh up near the castle.

Espen

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18:53 02.09.2003 -0500 skrev Tushar Samant:

>2: Large Chinese family in a restaurant where the old man
>orders everything, when someone younger knows better English.

This reminds me of one of the many small stories in Tampopo.

Espen

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20:45 02.09.2003 -0500 skrev Rita Chapman:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>>Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>>       Is a single day without cable television that bad?
>>
>>That was my first thought when I read the posting, but then I realized
>>that it depends on one's habits and preferences.  A single day without
>>computer access would have me cussing (if it was an ordinary day -- one
>>when I'm not traveling or whatever).  So I can understand that some
>>people might find a single day without tv upsetting.  It's just quite
>>alien from my own life, when I sometimes go weeks without thinking about
>>turning on the tv.
>
>       I used to think the same thing, but every now and then I
>won't have Internet access, and after a few minutes it
>doesn't bother me at all.  I'm a little compulsive about
>checking my email all day, but it seems to be a relatively
>easy habit for me to break.

And I may have to break mine for four weeks, starting on Thursday evening. If the withdrawal symptoms are to heavy to bear I may look for an internet café if I visit a larger village or a town. But our plans so far are: Friday we fly to Athens, stay there for three nights and do som museum visits etc, Monday we embark on the Kriti II and sail off to Heraklion where our car should be waiting for us at the harbour, and off we go to Myrtos (where ther may be an internet café) and stay there for two nights - and then off somewhere where we can hike in the mountains and swim in the sea and hope that there aren't many other people. We might try Kato Zakro on the extreme East end of Crete.

Espen

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21:40 02.09.2003 -0500 skrev Doris Markland:
>> type:
>>
>> <http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/news/page/0,12983,937443,00.html>
>>
>> Pete
>
>I am a man.  A little late to be
>finding this out.

 From my EQ I am a female. My SQ on the other hand moves me towards the Asperger group. Hmmm.

Espen

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Bethany K. Dumas:
= On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
=
= >In my case, it is not. Last Wednesday, I waited all afternoon
= >for the cable guy to show up and hook it up. Nobody came. I called
= >them later, and she says "we told you 1 to 5, but he could only
= >make it at 7:15, sorry, and next Wednesday is the earliest we
= >can reschedule this."
=
= When this sort of thing happens here - as it often does - and it is
= Comcast's fault, I usually ask the cable guy what I should do and then he
= usually calls Comcast and <negotiates> a major reduction in my bill for a
= few weeks.
=
= Bethany

Yeah.  If you can stand being on hold, call the cable company.
We write stuff off like this and more all the time!

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On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, steph wrote:

>= When this sort of thing happens here - as it often does - and it is
>= Comcast's fault, I usually ask the cable guy what I should do and then he
>= usually calls Comcast and <negotiates> a major reduction in my bill for a
>= few weeks.
>=
>= Bethany
>
>Yeah.  If you can stand being on hold, call the cable company.
>We write stuff off like this and more all the time!

The cable guy never seems to have a problem getting through.

Bethany

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> The cable guy never seems to have a problem getting through.

I doubt that he is dialing the same number as the <public>.


AS

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At 10:58 PM 9/2/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

>It's a mess here - the city, inexperienced business owners, and greedy
>capitalists totally screwed this one up. Unfortunately, I think they will
>do the same on Market Sq. I feel privileged to have lived here during the
>heyday of the Old City. It is now just a memory.

The Old City evolved considerably over its life.  First, it was mostly a
collection of small restaurants---that was about the time that Christopher
was more or less pioneering the gentrification effort in central
Knoxville.  As for Market Square, it has survived a lot of neglect and poor
decisions.  I rather suspect, though, that as long as TVA anchors one end
and the street-corner fundies howl on the other, there will continue to be
a Market Square.

cwv

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>I feel privileged to have lived here during the
>heyday of the Old City. It is now just a memory.
>Bethany

I would think the heyday was when it truly was the heart of the
city.  Recent times probably didn't even rise to a second heydey.  How's
Christopher doing, owner of The Orangery and developer of old buildings?


bonnie

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On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, bonniev wrote:

>I would think the heyday was when it truly was the heart of the
>city.

Perhaps to some, though the only evidence I have seen for what that was
like is photos of flop houses and hardware stores - and the continued
presence of an old barber college.

To many of us, it was the mid 80s-early 90s when there were very
interesting retail shops, many restaurants (beginning with Annie's of
course, then Patrick Sullivan's), several jazz clubs, etc. - and every
lawyer in town was down here at 5 p.m. on Friday. Adults came here in the
evenings and on weekends to shop, to drink, to listen to music, to dine.
Now it's mostly students or student-age individuals - and they do not
shop. The retail shops are moving. It is antique stores, internet
services, and bars for the most part. Except for Big Don's - it continues
as an institution.

>Recent times probably didn't even rise to a second heydey.  How's
>Christopher doing, owner of The Orangery and developer of old buildings?

Christopher seems to be fine. He is now less a developer and much more a
collector of rent. I see him at the Summit Hill Weigels's occasionally -
when we are both buying a NYTimes - and at the 8 a.m. service at St.
John's when I go to that service, which I have done for most of the
summer.

Bethany

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On Wednesday, September 03, 2003, Espen Ore wrote:
> 21:40 02.09.2003 -0500 skrev Doris Markland:
>>> type:
>>>
>>> <http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/news/page/0,12983,937443,00.html>
>>>
>>> Pete
>>
>>I am a man.  A little late to be
>>finding this out.

>  From my EQ I am a female. My SQ on the other hand moves me towards the Asperger group. Hmmm.

I am in the Asperger group for both--28 and 44. I think there's a
problem with these tests!

Karen

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EQ 67
SQ 55
 
Whatever the hell that means
 
BrP
 

>>> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM 09/03/03 09:59AM >>>

I am in the Asperger group for both--28 and 44. I think there's a
problem with these tests!

Karen

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Amy Burns Short wrote:

> Public Library Fiscal 2001 Data Now Available In Library Locator

    Easier to just swivel around and grab the ALA directory.

Sluggo

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Bookrat wrote:

> This is an unwarranted slam against Nevadans.  What did Pete Kaminski ever
> do to you?

    Not cut me in on his IPO?  8-)

JMW

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Just got a spam for anti-virus software
 
The first line reads "If you can not see this line, please click here."
 
 
BrP
 
 

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> The cable guy never seems to have a problem getting
> through.
>
> Bethany


And you must have an inside track with the cable guy.

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On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>And you must have an inside track with the cable guy.

No. But I always ask him what he thinks I should do (re lost service etc.)
instead of telling him what I think I should do.

Bethany

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At 10:20 AM 9/3/2003 -0400, Paul Barfoot wrote:
>EQ 67
>SQ 55
>
>Whatever the hell that means

SQ lost.

cwv

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        With the "Cable" thread becoming more like a cable than a thread, I thought I'd
ask an actual word-related question.  It looks like the word "glurge" is
becoming the Internet vogue for those sappy, disgustingly-sweet heartwarming
stories about Jesus saving little children's puppies that get forwarded like
chain letters; some of them actually are chain letters.  I have never heard of
this term before today, but there is a www.glurge.com that collects them (along
with some anti-glurge parodies), and www.snopes.com has a "glurge gallery" that
attempts to learn the truth or falsehood of these stories.  And there's the
Glurge Scam at http://www.antwon.com/other/glurge-scam.html , an attempt to
prevent C&W songs from being written about these stories ever again.

        For the record, I encountered the term on snopes.com while looking up an
unrelated urban legend and Googled for "glurge" to find these others.

        But where does this word come from?  I can't find the answer, and of course
IMFTATL.  Did some entrepreneurial emailer just make up the word glurge, or did
they just appropriate an already-existing word for their purpose?  It "sounds"
made up, but is it?  Anybody know?

--
Take care,
Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>
Glurge dies in my mailbox

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From: DDEckerslyke (spambin@tiscali.co.uk)
Subject: Glurge
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Date: 2003-08-26 11:29:05 PST


The world needs this word....

Glurge

Glurge is a term specific to snopes.com, coined in 1998. Already in its
short lifespan it has reached across the Internet and has appeared in the
print media a number of times, and it may well soon make the final
breakthrough by appearing in dictionaries as a bona fide entry. The word was
invented by Patricia Chapin, a member of the urban legends discussion
mailing list run in conjunction with this site. At a loss for words to
describe the retching sensation this then-unnamed category of stories
subjected her to, she fashioned a word that simultaneously named the genre
and described its effect.

Glurge (a term which can be used to describe one story or applied to the
genre as a whole) is the body of inspirational tales which conceal much
darker meanings than the uplifting moral lessons they purport to offer, and
which undermine their messages by fabricating and distorting historical fact
in the guise of offering "true stories." Glurge often contains such
heart-tugging elements as sad-eyed puppies, sweet-faced children, angels,
dying mothers, or miraculous rescues brought about by prayer. These stories
are meant to be parables for modern times but fall far short of the mark.
Our Glurge Gallery links to all the glurge any human could stand.

http://www.snopes.com/glurge/glurge.asp?music=off

cheers

dd


----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Lee <flint@KIVA.NET>
Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2003 12:36 pm
Subject: Glurge?

>        With the "Cable" thread becoming more like a cable than a
> thread, I thought I'd
> ask an actual word-related question.  It looks like the word
> "glurge" is
> becoming the Internet vogue for those sappy, disgustingly-sweet
> heartwarmingstories about Jesus saving little children's puppies
> that get forwarded like
> chain letters; some of them actually are chain letters.  I have
> never heard of
> this term before today, but there is a www.glurge.com that
> collects them (along
> with some anti-glurge parodies), and www.snopes.com has a "glurge
> gallery" that
> attempts to learn the truth or falsehood of these stories.  And
> there's the
> Glurge Scam at http://www.antwon.com/other/glurge-scam.html , an
> attempt to
> prevent C&W songs from being written about these stories ever again.
>
>        For the record, I encountered the term on snopes.com while
> looking up an
> unrelated urban legend and Googled for "glurge" to find these others.
>
>        But where does this word come from?  I can't find the
> answer, and of course
> IMFTATL.  Did some entrepreneurial emailer just make up the word
> glurge, or did
> they just appropriate an already-existing word for their purpose?
> It "sounds"
> made up, but is it?  Anybody know?
>
> --
> Take care,
> Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>
> Glurge dies in my mailbox
>

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In a message dated 9/3/2003 6:33:18 AM Central Daylight Time,
dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU writes:
<<
The cable guy never seems to have a problem getting through.

>>

He came out and said that there is nothing he can do, but the
multi-unit team will be here sometime Friday to see if they
can activate the inside wall outlet.  When we moved it, there
were two outlets:  one on an inner wall, and one on the outer
wall.  The one that was live was the one on the outer wall,
but Tracey, the apartment manager, wants no wires on the
outside.  And she won't do anything to compensate us for
our trouble.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
People are not ruled by their memories.
Roger Smith

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ah, but EQ won
 
 


>>> cwv@GWI.NET 09/03/03 12:35PM >>>
At 10:20 AM 9/3/2003 -0400, Paul Barfoot wrote:
>EQ 67
>SQ 55
>
>Whatever the hell that means

SQ lost.

cwv

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What the heck is 'valency' in this context:

"Title: A study of valency-changing devices in Proto Oceanic
Author: Bethwyn  Evans

Abstract:

Characteristic of many of the Oceanic languages of the Pacific is the
presence of several valency-changing devices. This work is an
historical study of three valency-increasing and two
valency-decreasing morphemes, presenting descriptions of their
reflexes in a number of modern Oceanic languages and a detailed
reconstruction of their forms and functions in the ancestor language,
Proto Oceanic. The reconstructions of valency-changing devices is
presented within of an analysis of morphosyntactic classes of verbs,
both in the modern languages and in Proto Oceanic."

Karen

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> There is a camera obscura in Edinburgh up near the castle.

Yep. There's also one in Santa Monica near the beach.

Actually, lookee here, a directory:

http://www.foredown.virtualmuseum.info/camera_obscuras/

Marie

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EQ:  22
SQ:  62

I'm a man with Asperger's.

Evelyn Duncan
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People are not ruled by their memories.
Roger Smith

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Accept the converse:  "If you can see this, don't lick here."

;-)


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Just got a spam for anti-virus software

The first line reads "If you can not see this line, please click here."


BrP

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I used to wear converse all the time but I don't much anymore.
 
BrP 
 

>>> awild@URI.EDU 09/03/03 01:32PM >>>
Accept the converse:  "If you can see this, don't lick here."

;-)

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um... click...



----- Original Message -----
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> Accept the converse:  "If you can see this, don't lick here."
>
> ;-)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Barfoot" <Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU>
> To: <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 11:40 AM
> Subject: uh huh
>
>
> Just got a spam for anti-virus software
>
> The first line reads "If you can not see this line, please click here."
>
>
> BrP

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On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 12:52:43 -0400, Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> wrote:

> The world needs this word....

        Is this editorial yours, Marie, or DDEckerslyke's?

--
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Paging Dr Freud...
 
 
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>>> awild@URI.EDU 09/03/03 01:40PM >>>
um... click...

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>         But where does this word come from?  I can't
> find the answer, and of course
> IMFTATL.  Did some entrepreneurial emailer just make
> up the word glurge, or did
> they just appropriate an already-existing word for
> their purpose?  It "sounds"
> made up, but is it?  Anybody know?

Glucose surge?

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=
= There is a camera obscura in Edinburgh up near the castle.
=
= Espen

Yes.  and it's wonderful.

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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/artandlife/apother_story.asp?category=1404&slug=People%20Lopez%20Affleck

"Affleck and Lopez met on the set of film 'Gigli' and their romance
spurned interest in the film, which ended up as the summer's biggest
flop."

Karen

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Karen Kay writes,

>What the heck is 'valency' in this context:

<http://visl.hum.sdu.dk/visl/en/info/engglos.html#V>:
"the number and kinds of participants associated with verbs."

<http://coral.lili.uni-bielefeld.de/Classes/Winter98/ComLex/GibbonElsnet/elsnetbook.dg/node15.html>
"number of conceptual arguments"

Also see:
<http://www.ling.upenn.edu/~beatrice/150/ch3.html#argumenthood>

Pete

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And a very nice definition page, noting the relationship to chemistry:
<http://www.sil.org/linguistics/GlossaryOfLinguisticTerms/WhatIsValency.htm>.

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Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 12:54 PM
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> >         But where does this word come from?  I can't
> > find the answer, and of course
> > IMFTATL.  Did some entrepreneurial emailer just make
> > up the word glurge, or did
> > they just appropriate an already-existing word for
> > their purpose?  It "sounds"
> > made up, but is it?  Anybody know?
>
> Glucose surge?
>
> __________________________________
That sounds logical to me.

Sickening sweet, most of it,
and so phoney.
I hate glurge.

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On Wednesday, September 03, 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> And a very nice definition page, noting the relationship to chemistry:
> <http://www.sil.org/linguistics/GlossaryOfLinguisticTerms/WhatIsValency.htm>.

Thank you. (For both sets of cites.)

Karen

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YIKES!  I can't believe how this displayed!
 
It didn't look like that when I sent it
 
I'll try again


>>> Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU 09/03/03 04:10PM >>>
In an effort to keep everyone informed, or perhaps to prove the validity of JMW's Arizona joke - here are all of the websites listed on the "Certified Candidates" list from California.

enjoy

BrP

www.zellhoefer.comwww.vote4woz.comwww.rstengineering.com/governorwww.wattsforgovernor.comwww.nathan.walton.comwww.chuckwalkerforgov.comwww.paulvannforgovernor.comhttp://marcvaldezcalgov.blogspot.comwww.peterforgovernor.comwww.Tracyforgovernor.comwww.dianetemplin.comwww.taylorlaw.comwww.timforgovernor.orgwww.sproulforgovernor.comwww.sprague4gov.comwww.MikeForGov.orgwww.save-california.uswww.davidsams.comwww.georgyforgov.comwww.smokersparty.comwww.davasbar.comwww.ranken.comwww.dannyramirez.comwww.jeff4gov.comwww.quinn4gov.comwww.pinedaforgovernor.comhttp://peters4gov.comwww.RonaldJasonPalmieri.comwww.Newman4governor.orgwww.paulnave.comwww.voteformobly.comwww.millerforcalifornia.comwww.ourcalifornia.orgwww.tommcclintock.comwww.bobmcclain.comwww.macforgov.comwww.calvinlouieforgovernor.comwww.lane-for-governor.orgwww.nasaproracing.com/norcal/jerry/jerryforgovernor.comwww.voteforeric.comwww.kennedygov.comhttp://users.cwnet.comwww.governorken.orgwww.gruenerforgovernor.comGrishamforgovernor.comwww.jamesgreengovernor.comwww.richgosse.comForteForGovernor.comwww.warrenfarrell.comwww.bobedwards.comwww.DavisForGovernor.orgwww.bobcan.comwww.votecamejo.orgwww.bettercalifornia.orgwww.electedbeyer.comwww.Andersonforgovernor.orgwww.StJames2003.orgwww.brookeforgovernor.comwww.irisadam.com 

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Hmmm   I never knew this before - prolly should have:
 

To use Google's built-in calculator function, simply enter the expression you'd like evaluated in the search box and hit the Enter key or click the Google Search button. The calculator can evaluate mathematical expressions involving basic arithmetic (5+2*2 or 2^20), more complicated math (sine(30 degrees) or e^(i pi)+1), units of measure and conversions (100 miles in kilometers or 160 pounds * 4000 feet in Calories), and physical constants (1 a.u./c or G*mass of earth/radius of earth^2). You can also experiment with other numbering systems, including hexadecimal and binary.

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Paul Barfoot wrote:

> I used to wear converse all the time but I don't much anymore.

    And today I saw an actual pair of high-heel sneakers - I think they
were Converse.

JMW

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Is there a 3-D graphing calculator for Windows as there is for the
Apple?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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I think I knew about the calculator, but there is this function where,
if you want to know how many teaspoons half a cup is, it will tell
you. Very convenient for recipe changing.

Karen

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DDEckerslyke's.

Marie

----- Original Message -----
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> On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 12:52:43 -0400, Marie Ascher
> <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> wrote:
>
> > The world needs this word....
>
>        Is this editorial yours, Marie, or DDEckerslyke's?
>
> --
> Take care,
> Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>
> 1998?  I know I'm out of date, but 5 years?  In 6 days that will
> be 1/7 of my
> life!
>

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> Paul Barfoot wrote:
>
> > I used to wear converse all the time but I don't much anymore.
>
>    And today I saw an actual pair of high-heel sneakers - I think
> theywere Converse.
>
> JMW

I'm betting they weren't actually Converse, but Converse lookalikes.

Accept the Converse.

Marie

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In an effort to keep everyone informed, or perhaps to prove the validity of JMW's Arizona joke - here are all of the websites listed on the "Certified Candidates" list from California.
 
enjoy
 
BrP
 
www.zellhoefer.comwww.vote4woz.comwww.rstengineering.com/governorwww.wattsforgovernor.comwww.nathan.walton.comwww.chuckwalkerforgov.comwww.paulvannforgovernor.comhttp://marcvaldezcalgov.blogspot.comwww.peterforgovernor.comwww.Tracyforgovernor.comwww.dianetemplin.comwww.taylorlaw.comwww.timforgovernor.orgwww.sproulforgovernor.comwww.sprague4gov.comwww.MikeForGov.orgwww.save-california.uswww.davidsams.comwww.georgyforgov.comwww.smokersparty.comwww.davasbar.comwww.ranken.comwww.dannyramirez.comwww.jeff4gov.comwww.quinn4gov.comwww.pinedaforgovernor.comhttp://peters4gov.comwww.RonaldJasonPalmieri.comwww.Newman4governor.orgwww.paulnave.comwww.voteformobly.comwww.millerforcalifornia.comwww.ourcalifornia.orgwww.tommcclintock.comwww.bobmcclain.comwww.macforgov.comwww.calvinlouieforgovernor.comwww.lane-for-governor.orgwww.nasaproracing.com/norcal/jerry/jerryforgovernor.comwww.voteforeric.comwww.kennedygov.comhttp://users.cwnet.comwww.governorken.orgwww.gruenerforgovernor.comGrishamforgovernor.comwww.jamesgreengovernor.comwww.richgosse.comForteForGovernor.comwww.warrenfarrell.comwww.bobedwards.comwww.DavisForGovernor.orgwww.bobcan.comwww.votecamejo.orgwww.bettercalifornia.orgwww.electedbeyer.comwww.Andersonforgovernor.orgwww.StJames2003.orgwww.brookeforgovernor.comwww.irisadam.com 

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Paul Barfoot wrote:

> In an effort to keep everyone informed, or perhaps to prove the validity of JMW's Arizona joke

    I heard on the radio this morning, "One thing about the gubernatorial mess in California is that people aren't laughing at Arizona anymore."
    (For those of you who just joined us, when Governor Jane left office in January she was the first to complete a normal term of office for the last thirty years.)

JMW

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Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>
>>Notaries public charge?  I've had to have a zillion of my signatures
>>
>
> They are allowed to charge a very small fee. If I ask a notary to notarize
> several documents for me or to notarize at inconvenient times or
> frequently, I pay or contribute to a food/drink fund, etc. - unless I am
> having the notarizing done at a law firm for which I occasionally do pro
> bono work. Then I do not pay.


        By Missouri law, I can charge a maximum of $2.50 to notarize
a document.  I've never charged anybody, though.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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On Wednesday, September 03, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         By Missouri law, I can charge a maximum of $2.50 to notarize
> a document.  I've never charged anybody, though.

How did you become a notary?

Karen

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John Williams writes,

>     Not cut me in on his IPO?  8-)

I would feel bad, except we never made it to IPO.  ;-)

Pete
try, try again...

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On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 16:00:40 -0400, Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> wrote:

> DDEckerslyke's.

        OK.  Thanks for finding that, Marie!  But what do *you* think of it?

--
Take care,
Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>
Eternally curious

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Rita Chapman writes,

>        By Missouri law, I can charge a maximum of $2.50 to notarize
>a document.

$10 in California.
<http://www.ss.ca.gov/business/notary/notary_2003hdbk.htm#gc>, sec. 8211

Pete

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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Wednesday, September 03, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        By Missouri law, I can charge a maximum of $2.50 to notarize
>>a document.  I've never charged anybody, though.
>>
>
> How did you become a notary?


        I filled out a couple of forms, sent them in to the State
with about $10 I think, then swore an oath to uphold the
Constitution.   I think my stamp and bond cost about $40.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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At 02:28 PM 9/3/2003 -0700, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>Rita Chapman writes,
>
>>        By Missouri law, I can charge a maximum of $2.50 to notarize
>>a document.
>
>$10 in California.
><http://www.ss.ca.gov/business/notary/notary_2003hdbk.htm#gc>, sec. 8211

Yes, but in California, you can pay in tofu...

cwv

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> A more interesting question to me is why you became one.
>
> Can a notary notarize her own signature?

The space between those two sentences is intended to indicate that they
don't exactly <go together>.  I.e., I did not mean to imply that the
reason one might become a notary was to notarize her own signature.
That second question just suddenly popped into my head.

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> Karen Kay wrote:

> > How did you become a notary?
>
>         I filled out a couple of forms, sent them in to the State
> with about $10 I think, then swore an oath to uphold the
> Constitution.   I think my stamp and bond cost about $40.

A more interesting question to me is why you became one.

Can a notary notarize her own signature?

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>
>>>How did you become a notary?
>>>
>>        I filled out a couple of forms, sent them in to the State
>>with about $10 I think, then swore an oath to uphold the
>>Constitution.   I think my stamp and bond cost about $40.
>>
>
> A more interesting question to me is why you became one.



        For when I worked in a law firm for a short time.


> Can a notary notarize her own signature?


        Nope.  I can't notarize anything if I have an <interest> in
the transaction.  So I have to go to the bank when I need
something notarized, too.




--
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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 9/2/2003 8:38:18 PM Central Daylight Time,
> rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
> <<
> Something that helps me lately is to cut people some slack
> when they piss me off.  Not because they deserve it, but
> because it's not worth the energy to be angry. It sounds
> like your cable cutters are of diminished mental capacity.
>
>
>
> What if you don't have any more slack to cut?


        I don't know.  I throw a temper tantrum, but I don't consider
that one of my finest moments.




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In a message dated 9/3/2003 5:36:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
<<
    I don't know.  I throw a temper tantrum, but I don't consider
that one of my finest moments.

>>

I tend to be on a permanent angry mood lately when it comes to
people, not with animals, though.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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Espen Ore wrote:

> 20:45 02.09.2003 -0500 skrev Rita Chapman:
>
>>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Rita Chapman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>      Is a single day without cable television that bad?
>>>>
>>>That was my first thought when I read the posting, but then I realized
>>>that it depends on one's habits and preferences.  A single day without
>>>computer access would have me cussing (if it was an ordinary day -- one
>>>when I'm not traveling or whatever).  So I can understand that some
>>>people might find a single day without tv upsetting.  It's just quite
>>>alien from my own life, when I sometimes go weeks without thinking about
>>>turning on the tv.
>>>
>>      I used to think the same thing, but every now and then I
>>won't have Internet access, and after a few minutes it
>>doesn't bother me at all.  I'm a little compulsive about
>>checking my email all day, but it seems to be a relatively
>>easy habit for me to break.
>>
>
> And I may have to break mine for four weeks, starting on Thursday evening. If the withdrawal symptoms are to heavy to bear I may look for an internet café if I visit a larger village or a town. But our plans so far are: Friday we fly to Athens, stay there for three nights and do som museum visits etc, Monday we embark on the Kriti II and sail off to Heraklion where our car should be waiting for us at the harbour, and off we go to Myrtos (where ther may be an internet café) and stay there for two nights - and then off somewhere where we can hike in the mountains and swim in the sea and hope that there aren't many other people. We might try Kato Zakro on the extreme East end of Crete.
>
> Espen


        I'm jealous!


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JMW:
>when Governor Jane left office in January she was the first to complete a
>normal term of office for the last thirty years.)

But have you thrown any of the scoundrels in jail?

Louisiana finally did.  Almost makes me proud.

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> I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
> Peter Venkman

Jim Casy had something to say about
that topic in _Grapes of Wrath_.

Not that I agree with either of 'em.

--
Yeah, I got both rods and cones, but
still see in B&W.

Saves me on TV costs, huh.

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02003-09-02 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > and the most ladylike lady has to run sometimes. It's, like,
> > the 21st century. You need "emergent" laws. These are laws
> > which sort of sit between "daily" laws and "crisis" laws,
> > and they are now part of life, like it or not.
>
> If people didn't do these things, I don't know, seems like everything
> would move WAY TOO FAST.  Jeez lighten up and slow down.
>
> Particularly, let the old man order.
>
> Let pedestrians rule!  (that's just an extra added thought)

Excuse me, you want everybody to be in PAIN so things may move slowly?

Nothing happens fast just because it's easy. Puh!

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02003-09-02 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > Which is, going by the principle of the thing, the limit of
> > irresponsibility. Especially since I have already paid them
> > everything ... However, to me, personally, it wasn't that
> > important, so I forgot about it.
>
> Right.  So let the women stroll to the bus, and LET THE GODDAMNED OLD MAN
> ORDER.

It's not strolling by any means. And the old man should shut up, by
the way. Too much involvement in worldly affairs. Gotta start pursuing
the spiritual thing. Nobody's getting any younger.

(Guess what, MOST of China very likely does not want old men in worldly
affairs. *If you know what I mean* ...)

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Tushar Samant writes,

>Nothing happens fast just because it's easy. Puh!

Hey, you're writing in aphorisms!  This one is like one of my favorites:

Never mistake a clear view for a short distance.

Pete

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On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Tushar Samant writes,
> >Nothing happens fast just because it's easy. Puh!
> Hey, you're writing in aphorisms!  This one is like one of my favorites:
> Never mistake a clear view for a short distance.

Tushar is writing in aphorisms!  Puh!

Ann

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At 04:56 PM 9/3/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> > Tushar Samant writes,
> > >Nothing happens fast just because it's easy. Puh!
> > Hey, you're writing in aphorisms!  This one is like one of my favorites:
> > Never mistake a clear view for a short distance.
>
>Tushar is writing in aphorisms!  Puh!

Tushar is myopic in several ways!  Puh**2

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  29/46, which puts me in the Asperger's range.

Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Tushar Samant writes,
>
>> I consider this a needlessly snippy remark:
>
>
> You need Baron-Cohen's empathy and systemising quizzes:
>
> <http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/news/page/0,12983,937443,00.html>
>
> Also see the Cartesian chart for your EQ/SQ results to determine your brain
> type:
>
> <http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/news/page/0,12983,937443,00.html>
>
> Pete
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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On Wednesday, September 03, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>   29/46, which puts me in the Asperger's range.

I was 28/44--we are twins!!!!

Karen

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>
> But have you thrown any of the scoundrels in jail?

     Yea, the one before last.  Didn't seem to do much good, though.

JMW

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At 06:28 PM 9/3/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-09-02 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > > and the most ladylike lady has to run sometimes. It's, like,
> > > the 21st century. You need "emergent" laws. These are laws
> > > which sort of sit between "daily" laws and "crisis" laws,
> > > and they are now part of life, like it or not.
> >
> > If people didn't do these things, I don't know, seems like everything
> > would move WAY TOO FAST.  Jeez lighten up and slow down.
> >
> > Particularly, let the old man order.
> >
> > Let pedestrians rule!  (that's just an extra added thought)
>
>Excuse me, you want everybody to be in PAIN so things may move slowly?
>
>Nothing happens fast just because it's easy. Puh!

I'm with Ann on this.  Show a little respect.

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male or female?

At 07:12 PM 9/3/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>  29/46, which puts me in the Asperger's range.
>
>Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
>>Tushar Samant writes,
>>
>>>I consider this a needlessly snippy remark:
>>
>>
>>You need Baron-Cohen's empathy and systemising quizzes:
>>
>><http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/news/page/0,12983,937443,00.html>
>>
>>Also see the Cartesian chart for your EQ/SQ results to determine your brain
>>type:
>>
>><http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/news/page/0,12983,937443,00.html>
>>
>>Pete
>
>
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>

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At 07:31 PM 9/3/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Wednesday, September 03, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >   29/46, which puts me in the Asperger's range.
>
>I was 28/44--we are twins!!!!

Evil for sure.

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Betty wrote:

> male or female?


        I'm all boy, bay bee!


>
> At 07:12 PM 9/3/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>  29/46, which puts me in the Asperger's range.
>>
>> Peter Kaminski wrote:
>>
>>> Tushar Samant writes,
>>>
>>>> I consider this a needlessly snippy remark:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You need Baron-Cohen's empathy and systemising quizzes:
>>>
>>> <http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/news/page/0,12983,937443,00.html>
>>>
>>> Also see the Cartesian chart for your EQ/SQ results to determine your
>>> brain
>>> type:
>>>
>>> <http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/news/page/0,12983,937443,00.html>
>>>
>>> Pete
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Wednesday, September 03, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>  29/46, which puts me in the Asperger's range.
>>
>
> I was 28/44--we are twins!!!!


        Oh. God. No.




--
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I've told Mom that if they can't activate the internal cable on Friday
to call me and I'll go to Radio Shack and get a couple of rabbit
ears.

Evelyn Duncan
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I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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> Paul Barfoot wrote:
>
> > I used to wear converse all the time but I don't much anymore.
>
>     And today I saw an actual pair of high-heel sneakers - I think
they
> were Converse.
>
> JMW
>
I would say that a lot of people who still wear high heels could be
sneakers, or at least
sneaky.  Whether they are also converse I
do not know.

                      - D. M.

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> Can a notary notarize her own signature?

No.

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> But have you thrown any of the scoundrels in jail?
>
> Louisiana finally did.  Almost makes me proud.

"Every man a king".


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--- Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> wrote:
> Tushar Samant writes,
>
> >Nothing happens fast just because it's easy. Puh!
>
> Hey, you're writing in aphorisms!  This one is like
> one of my favorites:
>
> Never mistake a clear view for a short distance.
>
> Pete

Or:  Nothing's easy just because it's fast.


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>   29/46, which puts me in the Asperger's range.


37/48, which puts me in the Cascade range, with rather
poor eyesight.  As Dr. V. would observe, it's a
lose-win situation.


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As I was writing up more of the WHTM, I'd like to get it done before my
mind goes, I remembered seeing these pink flowers along the road with
stalks only.  All of a sudden they seemed to be everywhere I looked.
Called Naked Ladies, they reminded me of you.  They might be the same as
the rain lilies you were talking about.  I want to get some of these, but
don't know if they're hardy enough.

Terry

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>         I'm jealous!


I'm frankly shocked, Rita.  Just look at that
spelling.


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> I tend to be on a permanent angry mood lately when
> it comes to
> people, not with animals, though.

How's the Puppy 500?  Does your mom keep it under
control while you're at work?

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In a message dated 9/3/2003 8:42:09 PM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
How's the Puppy 500?  Does your mom keep it under
control while you're at work?

>>

She tries.

Oh, Daisy has developed a fear of other dogs.  When she
hears another dog barks when she's outside, she takes off
for home.

I'm glad we're keeping her.

I've found a couple of rabbit ears that sound good; one's actually
programmable.  There are only a few cable programs I would miss,
and they're all anime, so they'll be on DVD.


Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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How can somebody with such a <questionable> past make so much good sense
in old age?  This isn't really my favorite of his speeches, but it's not
bad:

http://tinyurl.com/m5o0

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Saturday August 16th.  The day started with a nice dark cup of java and a
Betty special dish of oatmeal.  The sun was shining, not unusual, and from
time to time the trains could be heard rumbling nearby.

Our first trek was Muir Woods.  I had a Johnny Cash moment as we went by
San Quentin.  Being my mother’s favorite singer, I recall seeing his live
concert there on TV.  So I had a bit of a head tune.    The fog in the area
is low and looked just like water waves coming over the hills.  We arrived
early at Muir Woods and had a nice stroll.  Adam moments were a plenty as
we took the high path.  The forest felt like home, but the girth and sheer
size of the Redwoods were inspiring.  Not much wildlife, I’m sure they wait
until the two-legged creatures leave.  Speaking of leaving, the trip back
up just happened to be on the cliff side of the road with no guardrails.
That ‘A’ person’s name came up again.

The Golden Gate Bridge was being caressed by fog, fast moving and whimsy.
As Betty and I approached for our trek over, we passed two armed service
men.  Although serious in their manner, GGB is not a bad post to have.  The
walk was brisk.  I was about to ask about jumpers then saw a call box.  The
sadness these bridges sometimes endure.  Luckily, there were a few of these
boxes as one was out of order!

Larry expertly navigated through the city and we headed to Berkeley for
lunch.   As we approached the sake factory, a message on yellow cloth
welcomed us:  “The wild geese do not intend to cast their reflection on the
lake, for the water has no mind to receive their image?”  It is from”The
Zenrin Kushu”.  http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dharp/msc/zenrin.html
Besides, reflections aren’t received, by their nature, although I’m sure a
small amount of light is absorbed. (Just covering all bases, I’m sure Alan,
Tushar, or a few others can correct me.)

The sake factory was interesting.  We were sipping warms and colds.  I
didn’t realize there were so many tastes.  Even more tastes to come at the
deli Betty directed us to on Telegraph St.  What a fun spot.  We had a WLM
as the Hare Krishna’s crossed the street in full song. All along the
street, street artists were set up selling their wares.  Many were
creating; some just played music while soliciting funds, music more
specifically good enjoyable music is relative. It was a local crafts fair.

On the way back to the car we stopped at a henna tattoo booth.  This I
could do, it would be a tattoo, and enough to cause a bit of a stir.  I
picked a design while awaiting the return of the artist. I could have had
just about any body part decorated.  There was a picture of nicely
decorated boobs, but I would have had to walk around shirtless for a few
hours while it dried as well as avoid being bumped and smudged.

After a few minutes we crossed the street to the other henna drawer who was
painstakingly slow and had a waiting list.  Ughhh.  Back across the street
the soon to be employed artist had returned.  After a bit of orientation
discussion she got right to work and had the image on in no time and well
done at that. It was fun.

We ended the excursion with a trip to the Berkeley Rose Garden and were
witness to a wedding.  They lit sparklers after the ceremony creating a
nasty smoke bank.  Although fun, the officiating person had a look of
concern, wouldn’t want to set the place ablaze!  The roses were impressive
with gorgeous colors and sizes.

We ended the day with Larry working some magic with chicken and I cooked up
a batch of Johnny cakes after spending a delightful time visiting with
their friend Gene.

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> >   29/46, which puts me in the Asperger's range.
>
>
>37/48, which puts me in the Cascade range, with rather
>poor eyesight.  As Dr. V. would observe, it's a
>lose-win situation.

I would have scored higher on the empathy scale if they had made a
distinction between understanding social situations and actually giving a
shit about society.


bonnie

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The crickets are making a racket, and it's the end of summer, so I sat
myself on the deck even though I knew the sky was cloudy and maybe I would
be cold.

I didn't get cold.  I saw several lights in the sky, no stars, I figured.
A couple of planes moved and blinked.  One plane, not blinking, moved
toward me (I figured).  It didn't actually look much like a plane - it
looked most like the yellow street light (road light, actually, since it's
on a hill and not in town) across the valley.

Then the planes I had been watching left my sky and other ones arrived and
moved across the sky; but the yellow round ballpoint kind of stayed where
it was - except was it moving upward?  hard to say.  So, I figured, this
is MARS.

I couldn't see any other star.  But the tiny MARS sphere and sparkle was
still there.  Other planes moved in and out, as the clouds hid them or
not.  MARS evidently was rising.  For a few minutes I thought it's a
hot air balloon over the city maybe.  But it would have been over the Bay,
and not drifting fast at all, just kind of MAYBE rising.

Then I looked at the half moon a while, and when I looked at MARS it was
slightly higher in the sky and a little less yellow.  So, I guess, it
really is MARS.

We own a telescope and I could drag it out and try to make it work.  But I
scored way too feminine on those stupid tests, for that.

Ann

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You make me want to be in California!

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LOL
 
  There should be a GASQ test
 
BrP
 


>>> bonniev@GWI.NET 09/03/03 10:47PM >>>
> >   29/46, which puts me in the Asperger's range.
>
>
>37/48, which puts me in the Cascade range, with rather
>poor eyesight.  As Dr. V. would observe, it's a
>lose-win situation.

I would have scored higher on the empathy scale if they had made a
distinction between understanding social situations and actually giving a
shit about society.


bonnie

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Think of a notary as a registered witness.  

>>> natalie@MAYNOR.NET 09/03/03 05:51PM >>>
Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> Karen Kay wrote:

> > How did you become a notary?
>
>         I filled out a couple of forms, sent them in to the State
> with about $10 I think, then swore an oath to uphold the
> Constitution.   I think my stamp and bond cost about $40.

A more interesting question to me is why you became one.

Can a notary notarize her own signature?

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-- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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I just got my photos back on a CD - I don't have time to publish many of them, but here are a few:

The twins and their parents in my mother's house:
http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/iogtogkoge.jpg

Marianne and Aurora - Aurora with her party dress on:
http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/dress.jpg

Me, celebrating that am halfway to 50 (we were 26 grown ups, three small children and a rabbit)
http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/finally50.jpg

Ingjerd and her father in front of a lavvu in Gargia:
http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/gargialavvu.jpg

In the far North: from Mehamn towards the North Pole
http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/mehamn1.jpg

Ingejdr and her father in front of her grandparents' and great grandparents' graves in Nesseby. I love the natural way the churchyard has been kept:
http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/churchyard.jpg

More GIFFs and accumulated WHTUs when I come back from Greece in October. I will go nomail later tonight, Norwegian time.

Espen

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Wonderful pics.  Thanks for sharing them.
 
Aurora is beautiful and looks very happy.
 
BrP
 


>>> Espen.Ore@NB.NO 09/04/03 08:59AM >>>
I just got my photos back on a CD - I don't have time to publish many of them, but here are a few:

The twins and their parents in my mother's house:
http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/iogtogkoge.jpg 

Marianne and Aurora - Aurora with her party dress on:
http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/dress.jpg 

Me, celebrating that am halfway to 50 (we were 26 grown ups, three small children and a rabbit)
http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/finally50.jpg 

Ingjerd and her father in front of a lavvu in Gargia:
http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/gargialavvu.jpg 

In the far North: from Mehamn towards the North Pole
http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/mehamn1.jpg 

Ingejdr and her father in front of her grandparents' and great grandparents' graves in Nesseby. I love the natural way the churchyard has been kept:
http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/churchyard.jpg 

More GIFFs and accumulated WHTUs when I come back from Greece in October. I will go nomail later tonight, Norwegian time.

Espen

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At 09:07 AM 9/4/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
>Son in Uzbekistan has had a clear brilliant
>view of it all month, with no city lights to
>interfere.

The image from the Hubble telescope is at

http://tinyurl.com/lqr6

cwv

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Wonderful pics.  Thanks for sharing them.

Aurora is beautiful and looks very happy.

BrP


Yes . . and healthy.  Enjoyed all the pictures.

          - D. M.

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On Thursday, September 04, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> Wonderful pics.  Thanks for sharing them.

> Aurora is beautiful and looks very happy.

With cheeks like that, what's not to be happy?!

Karen

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> We own a telescope and I could drag it out and try to make it work.
But I
> scored way too feminine on those stupid tests, for that.
>
> Ann

Did it look red at all?

Son in Uzbekistan has had a clear brilliant
view of it all month, with no city lights to
interfere.

                - D. M.

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Great pictures...babies are beautiful...but I want your mother's house!
It looks so wonderfully bright and warm and comfortable.  Just what I
think a home should be.

Rita L.

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On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > But have you thrown any of the scoundrels in jail?
> > Louisiana finally did.  Almost makes me proud.
> "Every man a king".

Oh, we didn't throw him in jail, we shot him.

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Well, when you get back, I have some questions about the Norwegian porridge
feud.


>From: Espen Ore <Espen.Ore@NB.NO>
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>Subject: Some gifs
>Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:59:15 +0200
>
>I just got my photos back on a CD - I don't have time to publish many of
>them, but here are a few:
>
>The twins and their parents in my mother's house:
>http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/iogtogkoge.jpg
>
>Marianne and Aurora - Aurora with her party dress on:
>http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/dress.jpg
>
>Me, celebrating that am halfway to 50 (we were 26 grown ups, three small
>children and a rabbit)
>http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/finally50.jpg
>
>Ingjerd and her father in front of a lavvu in Gargia:
>http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/gargialavvu.jpg
>
>In the far North: from Mehamn towards the North Pole
>http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/mehamn1.jpg
>
>Ingejdr and her father in front of her grandparents' and great
>grandparents' graves in Nesseby. I love the natural way the churchyard has
>been kept:
>http://home.no.net/espenore/2003/churchyard.jpg
>
>More GIFFs and accumulated WHTUs when I come back from Greece in October. I
>will go nomail later tonight, Norwegian time.
>
>Espen

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> I just got my photos back on a CD - I don't have
> time to publish many of them, but here are a few:


Lovely photos.  I had to return to each twice to
inspect all the details, and to track the twins'
similarity in appearance to your family.

Please keep them coming, and enjoy your trip.

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On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

> Did it look red at all?
Yes, orange/yellow.  I can't believe I didn't say that!

>
> Son in Uzbekistan has had a clear brilliant
> view of it all month, with no city lights to
> interfere.

Wow.

Ann

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Dome Dog.

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02003-09-03 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >> > and the most ladylike lady has to run sometimes. It's, like,
> >> > the 21st century. You need "emergent" laws. These are laws
> >> > which sort of sit between "daily" laws and "crisis" laws,
> >> > and they are now part of life, like it or not.
> >>
> >> If people didn't do these things, I don't know, seems like everything
> >> would move WAY TOO FAST.  Jeez lighten up and slow down.
> >>
> >> Particularly, let the old man order.
> >>
> >> Let pedestrians rule!  (that's just an extra added thought)
> >
> >Excuse me, you want everybody to be in PAIN so things may move slowly?
> >
> >Nothing happens fast just because it's easy. Puh!
>
> I'm with Ann on this.  Show a little respect.

That is not a respect, madam.

Respect is saying "don't worry about it pops" ...

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02003-09-03 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> --- Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> wrote:
> > Tushar Samant writes,
> >
> > >Nothing happens fast just because it's easy. Puh!
> >
> > Hey, you're writing in aphorisms!  This one is like
> > one of my favorites:
> >
> > Never mistake a clear view for a short distance.
>
> Or:  Nothing's easy just because it's fast.

Or: existence is suffering.

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02003-09-03 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Betty wrote:
>
> >male or female?
>
>
>        I'm all boy, bay bee!

Are you cute?

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02003-09-03 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Wednesday, September 03, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >   29/46, which puts me in the Asperger's range.
>
> I was 28/44--we are twins!!!!

Only to emotionally precise (aka sloppy) people ...

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of clyde w. voigtlander
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>
>Dome Dog.
>

who?


alec

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At 02:20 PM 9/4/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> >Subject: R.I.P.
> >
> >
> >Dome Dog.
> >
>
>who?

Paul ought to be the one to explain in more detail; one of the culinary
phenomena of the Syracuse Dome is no more.

Sic transit and all that.

cwv

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02003-09-04 | Paul Barfoot <Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU> writes:
> no offense to the memory of a tradidion, but I can't help but add "and
> good riddance"

That was kind of the reaction to "Demon Dog" here ...

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no offense to the memory of a tradidion, but I can't help but add "and good riddance"
 
BrP
 
 


>>> cwv@GWI.NET 09/04/03 01:05PM >>>
Dome Dog.

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On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-09-03 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > --- Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> wrote:
> > > Tushar Samant writes,
> > >
> > > >Nothing happens fast just because it's easy. Puh!
> > >
> > > Hey, you're writing in aphorisms!  This one is like
> > > one of my favorites:
> > >
> > > Never mistake a clear view for a short distance.
> >
> > Or:  Nothing's easy just because it's fast.
>
> Or: existence is suffering.
>

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Did you add a button to your website, or did you have
your name (Natalie Maynor) removed?

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> > > Or: existence is suffering.

Which may be why the properties of groups consist
mainly of swampland.


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02003-09-04 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-09-03 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > > --- Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> wrote:
> > > > Tushar Samant writes,
> > > >
> > > > >Nothing happens fast just because it's easy. Puh!
> > > >
> > > > Hey, you're writing in aphorisms!  This one is like
> > > > one of my favorites:
> > > >
> > > > Never mistake a clear view for a short distance.
> > >
> > > Or:  Nothing's easy just because it's fast.
> >
> > Or: existence is suffering.

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At 02:55 PM 9/4/2003 -0400, Paul Barfoot wrote:
>no offense to the memory of a tradidion, but I can't help but add "and
>good riddance"

That was the sense of the short note in the paper.

cwv

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On Thursday, September 04, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> I have just spoken with Ken Ringle of the Washington Post. he is
> interested in slang use of the word "random" as in "That certainly was
> a random outfit."

> Apparently teenagers in some areas (CA?) have been using the term as a
> more-or-less value-neutral term for about 6 years. If you can provide
> data or other information about this usage, please let me know.

Value-neutral? How can something certainly be value-neutral?

And are you talking about 'ransom' or 'random'

Karen

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I have just spoken with Ken Ringle of the Washington Post. he is
interested in slang use of the word "random" as in "That certainly was
a random outfit."

Apparently teenagers in some areas (CA?) have been using the term as a
more-or-less value-neutral term for about 6 years. If you can provide
data or other information about this usage, please let me know.

Thanks,
Bethany

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At 02:37 PM 9/4/2003 -0400, plotkina@isc.upenn.edu and Syracuse.com wrote:
>Dear Words-l:
>
>Dome Dog Eater (plotkina@isc.upenn.edu) thought you would be interested in
>this item from Syracuse.com.
>
>http://www.syracuse.com/search/index.ssf?/base/news-11/1062578186149183.xml?syrneocit

good article.

cwv

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Bethany K. Dumas writes,

>Apparently teenagers in some areas (CA?) have been using the term as a
>more-or-less value-neutral term for about 6 years. If you can provide
>data or other information about this usage, please let me know.

We used it often to mean essentially "arbitrary" at Caltech in ca. 1979 et
seq., and continued to do so after we left.  A sub-meaning was "needlessly
arbitrary," or arbitrary in a way that was not easily understood.

It's been part of geek lexicon for a long time.  See the Jargon File entry:
<http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/R/random.html> and especially
<http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/J/J--Random-Hacker.html>.

At Caltech we also used "J. Random" as an intensified replacement for "random".

Pete

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On Thursday, September 04, 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> We used it often to mean essentially "arbitrary" at Caltech in ca. 1979 et
> seq., and continued to do so after we left.  A sub-meaning was "needlessly
> arbitrary," or arbitrary in a way that was not easily understood.

But this is surely not value-neutral. It's negative, at least that's
how I know it.

> At Caltech we also used "J. Random" as an intensified replacement for "random".

Randomly.:)

Karen

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On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-09-04 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > 02003-09-03 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > > > --- Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> wrote:
> > > > > Tushar Samant writes,
> > > > >
> > > > > >Nothing happens fast just because it's easy. Puh!
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey, you're writing in aphorisms!  This one is like
> > > > > one of my favorites:
> > > > >
> > > > > Never mistake a clear view for a short distance.
> > > >
> > > > Or:  Nothing's easy just because it's fast.
> > >
> > > Or: existence is suffering.
>
Less is more!

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Karen Kay writes,

>But this is surely not value-neutral. It's negative, at least that's
>how I know it.

As "arbitrary", it's value-neutral.  It was seldom negative as "needlessly
arbitrary".

Pete

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On Thursday, September 04, 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Karen Kay writes,
>>But this is surely not value-neutral. It's negative, at least that's
>>how I know it.

> As "arbitrary", it's value-neutral.  It was seldom negative as "needlessly
> arbitrary".

Wasn't the orginal question about clothes? I really do think that
calling someone's outfit 'needlessly arbitrary' is a negative.

Karen

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Karen Kay writes,

>Wasn't the orginal question about clothes? I really do think that
>calling someone's outfit 'needlessly arbitrary' is a negative.

Just describing my observations of the usage of "random" at Caltech.

We didn't talk much about clothes, except about the one guy who never
changed his, and then we used other, more negative expressions. :)

Pete

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On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>Wasn't the orginal question about clothes? I really do think that
>calling someone's outfit 'needlessly arbitrary' is a negative.

No. The single example I quoted merely involved clothing.

Bethany

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On Thursday, September 04, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>Value-neutral? How can something certainly be value-neutral?

> I don't know. That's his term.

>>And are you talking about 'ransom' or 'random'

> Random. (Did I mistype?)

Per usual.

Karen

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Here is the query I posted:

>I have just spoken with Ken Ringle of the Washington Post. he is
interested in slang use of the word "random" as in "That certainly was
a random outfit."

Apparently teenagers in some areas (CA?) have been using the term as a
more-or-less value-neutral term for about 6 years. If you can provide
data or other information about this usage, please let me know.<

If "random" came through as "ransom" for some reason, please change it.

Thanks,
Bethany

(Yes, I know the header has a typo in it - the header is not my query.)

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> > DDEckerslyke's.
>
>        OK.  Thanks for finding that, Marie!  But what do *you*
> think of it?

What do I think of the word "glurge"? Did we need a word to describe this particular subset of spam? Do I think this is a good word to do the job?

Sure. Why not. It reminds me of the sound of vomiting.

Marie

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On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>Value-neutral? How can something certainly be value-neutral?

I don't know. That's his term.

>And are you talking about 'ransom' or 'random'

Random. (Did I mistype?)

Bethany

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> (Yes, I know the header has a typo in it - the header is not my query.)

Uh-huh.

Karen

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When asked what I wanted to do for my birthday it was a no-brainer. I wanted to go into the city and see Los Lonely Boys play at the Mercury Lounge. I feel like shit today but it was well worth it. These guys are the real thing. And I was standing three feet from Henry's guitar. (and I got a kiss -- swoon)

Get on it, Rosen.

Marie

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Happy Birthday, Marie.  Henry kissed you?

Betty

At 06:02 PM 9/4/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>When asked what I wanted to do for my birthday it was a no-brainer. I
>wanted to go into the city and see Los Lonely Boys play at the Mercury
>Lounge. I feel like shit today but it was well worth it. These guys are
>the real thing. And I was standing three feet from Henry's guitar. (and I
>got a kiss -- swoon)
>
>Get on it, Rosen.
>
>Marie

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On Thursday, September 04, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
> When asked what I wanted to do for my birthday it was a no-brainer.
> I wanted to go into the city and see Los Lonely Boys play at the
> Mercury Lounge. I feel like shit today but it was well worth it.
> These guys are the real thing.

I agree with you. They were here for a couple weeks around the time of
their CD release party, so they were all over the airwaves.
Interesting stuff.

Karen

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Great pictures!!

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Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> Did you add a button to your website, or did you have

Thanks for reminding me.  I read that mail and forwarded it to Words-L
in a big hurry since I needed to leave my office, and I have not been
back at a computer for many hours.  Am still rushing but at least can
add the button to blog or website or both.  I did sign the pledge -- the
one from out-of-staters.

> your name (Natalie Maynor) removed?

Removed from what?

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02003-09-04 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-09-04 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > > On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > > 02003-09-03 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > > > > --- Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> wrote:
> > > > > > Tushar Samant writes,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Nothing happens fast just because it's easy. Puh!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hey, you're writing in aphorisms!  This one is like
> > > > > > one of my favorites:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Never mistake a clear view for a short distance.
> > > > >
> > > > > Or:  Nothing's easy just because it's fast.
> > > >
> > > > Or: existence is suffering.
>
> Less is more!

Nothing is free.

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02003-09-04 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> >But this is surely not value-neutral. It's negative, at least that's
> >how I know it.
>
> As "arbitrary", it's value-neutral.  It was seldom negative as "needlessly
> arbitrary".

You mistyped "often", per usual.

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Wake up late on an off day, walk a mile or so to the nice coffee shop,
plug in the computer, start reworking a story, take breaks and stand
on the sidewalk, drinking coffee, finish story and walk back ... this
is the life, man ...

If anybody remembers a silly story in installments I had begun posting
last year--I just finished it, and it's up at
<http://samant.com/prose/map.html>. Not really in a finished state,
but what is words-l for? If anyone feels like suggesting a title,
welcome!

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
> Happy Birthday, Marie.  Henry kissed you?

I believe it was me that kissed him. He seemed open to it.

Marie

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>If anybody remembers a silly story in installments I had begun posting
>last year--I just finished it, and it's up at
><http://samant.com/prose/map.html>. Not really in a finished state,
>but what is words-l for? If anyone feels like suggesting a title,
>welcome!

Everything Looked Very Normal


bonnie

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02003-09-04 | bonniev <bonniev@GWI.NET> writes:
> >If anybody remembers a silly story in installments I had begun posting
> >last year--I just finished it, and it's up at
> ><http://samant.com/prose/map.html>. Not really in a finished state,
> >but what is words-l for? If anyone feels like suggesting a title,
> >welcome!
>
> Everything Looked Very Normal

Thank you, Dr Voigtlander! I have to hurry out now ...

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From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> I agree with you. They were here for a couple weeks around the
> time of
> their CD release party, so they were all over the airwaves.
> Interesting stuff.

You're in their home turf. Go see them.

Marie

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Only 3.9 though.

Betty

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On Thursday, September 04, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
> From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>> I agree with you. They were here for a couple weeks around the
>> time of
>> their CD release party, so they were all over the airwaves.
>> Interesting stuff.

> You're in their home turf. Go see them.

No income means, to my sorrow, no live music.

Karen

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I just saw one that's living room rug colored. (In my living room.)
Yay! Maybe it will eat some of the mosquitos.

Karen

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> When asked what I wanted to do for my birthday it was a
> no-brainer. I wanted to go into the city and see Los Lonely Boys
> play at the Mercury Lounge.

Remember when we saw Fruvous there?

::sigh::

Happy belated birthday, Marie.

--Adam
whose NFB is Fruit, http://www.fruitmusic.com.au, but who still adores TN,
MF, PC, etc

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> Only 3.9 though.
>
> Betty


That doesn't sound too bad, and a little teeny part of me thinks it would
be an experience.  Where were you and what did you feel?

Terry

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Glad to hear you had a fun time.

Terry

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Betty writes,

>Only 3.9 though.

The kids felt it, upstairs.  Downstairs, I didn't.

Currently 2,000+ responses on the report map:
<http://pasadena.wr.usgs.gov/shake/STORE/X40146204/ciim_display.html>

The site classified the kids' report as III, weak shaking.

Pete

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anyone feels like
> suggesting a title,
> welcome!

I would love to see the preceding chapters; sorry I
missed them.

Two titles come to mind, both of them "pre-owned", as
they are wont to say these days.

"My World and Welcome to It"

"Happy Families"

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> I was in the recliner and it felt as if the dog hit the chair on the way
> by or lying down next to me.  We don't have a dog any longer.
>
> Betty

Ah, no diving incidents.  Over before you knew it.

We're all watching the progress of Fabian on this coast.

Terry

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At 10:09 PM 9/4/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>>Only 3.9 though.
>>
>>Betty
>
>That doesn't sound too bad, and a little teeny part of me thinks it would
>be an experience.  Where were you and what did you feel?
>
>Terry

I was in the recliner and it felt as if the dog hit the chair on the way by
or lying down next to me.  We don't have a dog any longer.

Betty

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At 10:11 PM 9/4/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Glad to hear you had a fun time.
>
>Terry

It's your turn tomorrow!  Do you get breakfast in bed? Have a good one.

Betty

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On Thursday, September 04, 2003, Terry Wild wrote:
>> Only 3.9 though.
>>
>> Betty


> That doesn't sound too bad, and a little teeny part of me thinks it would
> be an experience.  Where were you and what did you feel?

3.9 is barely a roller coaster...

Karen

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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 22:45:30 -0400
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> The kids felt it, upstairs.  Downstairs, I didn't.
>
> Currently 2,000+ responses on the report map:
> <http://pasadena.wr.usgs.gov/shake/STORE/X40146204/ciim_display.html>
>
> The site classified the kids' report as III, weak shaking.
>
> Pete

Must have been busy, the site is unavailable.  Glad it was a mild one.
What do the kids think?

Terry

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Terry Wild writes,

>Must have been busy, the site is unavailable.

Try it again -- I haven't had any problems with it.  And it's got a neat
map by zip code of the responses.

>What do the kids think?

Ethan thought it was cool, once he figured out what it was.  Gwynnie didn't
have much of an opinion, until Daddy scared her with the news that sometime
between now and 2032, there's a better than even-money chance that a 6.7 or
greater quake will hit the SF Bay Area.

Didn't make her scared of the little one today, but made her wonder if we
should move before a big one.

Pete

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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 22:56:14 -0400
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> It's your turn tomorrow!  Do you get breakfast in bed? Have a good one.
>
> Betty

Thanks, no breakfast in bed, assess and elbows as 3 occupants make their
way through the morning ritual and out the door.

Alan and I went out to dinner Monday and enjoyed a marina view.  Then we
moved onto desserts and an ocean view.  Yum.

We preceded the fest with a walk on the new section of the bike path which
officially opened yesterday. If it ever stops raining, I'll take Edward for
a stroll.

Terry

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On Thursday, September 04, 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Didn't make her scared of the little one today, but made her wonder if we
> should move before a big one.

Austin has no earthquakes.

But we do have tornadoes as the roofers who have been working on my
street will testify...

Karen

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-On Thursday, September 04, 2003 8:15 PM -0700 Peter Kaminski
<kaminski@ISTORI.COM> wrote:

> Try it again -- I haven't had any problems with it.  And it's got a neat
> map by zip code of the responses.
>

I got in this time.  It is a cool map.

>> What do the kids think?
>
> Ethan thought it was cool, once he figured out what it was.  Gwynnie
> didn't have much of an opinion, until Daddy scared her with the news that
> sometime between now and 2032, there's a better than even-money chance
> that a 6.7 or greater quake will hit the SF Bay Area.
>
> Didn't make her scared of the little one today, but made her wonder if we
> should move before a big one.

Very smart girl. IMHO

Terry
>
> Pete

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On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> If anybody remembers a silly story in installments I had begun posting
> last year--I just finished it, and it's up at
> <http://samant.com/prose/map.html>. Not really in a finished state,
> but what is words-l for? If anyone feels like suggesting a title,
> welcome!

If She Wants To Know

Ann

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HB, T! And many returns of the day.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
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> HB, T! And many returns of the day.

YES!

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Happy Birthday, Terry!  And a belated HB to Marie.

Rita L.

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shhhh
don't tempt the fates
 
 
 

>>> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM 09/04/03 11:29PM >>>

Austin has no earthquakes.


Karen

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> > If anybody remembers a silly story in installments I had begun posting
> > last year--I just finished it, and it's up at
> > <http://samant.com/prose/map.html>. Not really in a finished state,
> > but what is words-l for? If anyone feels like suggesting a title,
> > welcome!
>
>If She Wants To Know
>Ann

The Size of Bombay


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From: Adam Hartfield <adamh1@COMCAST.NET>
> Remember when we saw Fruvous there?
>
> ::sigh::

Sure do. But mostly I have associated the place with the time I saw Great Big Sea there.

We didn't eat at Katz's.

Marie

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> Glad to hear you had a fun time.
>
> Terry

Thanks. And happy birthday to you!!!

Marie

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We went to Malden, MA this weekend to see the vizsla puppies. I'm partial to  the one with the wrinkly head on the upper right of this photo:

http://marieascher.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=49182

I'll add more shortly.

Marie

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On Friday, September 05, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
> From: Adam Hartfield <adamh1@COMCAST.NET>
>> Remember when we saw Fruvous there?
>>
>> ::sigh::

> Sure do. But mostly I have associated the place with the time I saw Great Big Sea there.

> We didn't eat at Katz's.

Katz's Never Kloses.

Karen

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--- Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> wrote:
> We went to Malden, MA this weekend to see the vizsla
> puppies. I'm partial to  the one with the wrinkly
> head on the upper right of this photo:
>
>
http://marieascher.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=49182

He has a furrowed brow.

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On Friday, September 05, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
> We went to Malden, MA this weekend to see the vizsla puppies.

Happy Birthday!

Karen

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From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> On Friday, September 05, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
> > From: Adam Hartfield <adamh1@COMCAST.NET>
> >> Remember when we saw Fruvous there?
> >>
> >> ::sigh::
>
> > Sure do. But mostly I have associated the place with the time I
> saw Great Big Sea there.
>
> > We didn't eat at Katz's.
>
> Katz's Never Kloses.

Send a Salami to Your Boy in the Army!

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On Friday, September 05, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> I was in a group at a party last night.  Somebody came up to the group and
> introduced her friend, something like this:

> "This is my friend Sally.  Her name was Sally Van Kitornich until this
> week. She just got married and now her name is Sally Cohen."

> The host:  "Sounds like an upgrade!" [extends hand etc.]

> - - - - - -

> I thought it was hilarious at the time although possibly slightly rude,

I agree.

> and I had to put a damper on my laughter because it looked like I was
> finding it funnier by far than anybody else.

As you know, this doesn't stop me.

Karen

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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I was in a group at a party last night.  Somebody came up to the group and
introduced her friend, something like this:

"This is my friend Sally.  Her name was Sally Van Kitornich until this
week. She just got married and now her name is Sally Cohen."

The host:  "Sounds like an upgrade!" [extends hand etc.]

- - - - - -

I thought it was hilarious at the time although possibly slightly rude,
and I had to put a damper on my laughter because it looked like I was
finding it funnier by far than anybody else.

Now, this morning, I'm thinking . . . what's so funny about that?  Was I
just drunk and nervous to think it was so hilarious?

I should get out more.

Ann

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> If anybody remembers a silly story in installments I had begun posting
> last year--I just finished it, and it's up at
> <http://samant.com/prose/map.html>. Not really in a finished state,
> but what is words-l for? If anyone feels like suggesting a title,
> welcome!

If nothing else works, see your title on the subject line above.

Ann

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Borkin" <aborkin@RAHUL.NET>
> ... I had to put a damper on my laughter because it looked like I was
> finding it funnier by far than anybody else.
>
> Ann

Yes... Please join *my* chapter of the professional Hoof-in-Mouth Assoc.  We
have an honors committee with the assoc. who specialize in swapping hooves
at a rapid rate.  I chair that committee.  'Enough said.

'Alan

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>
> Now, this morning, I'm thinking . . . what's so funny about that?  Was
I
> just drunk and nervous to think it was so hilarious?
>
> I should get out more.
>
> Ann
>

Sounds funny to me, if you don't get all
PC about anything.

                      - D. M.

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On Friday, September 05, 2003, Alan Wild wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ann Borkin" <aborkin@RAHUL.NET>
>> ... I had to put a damper on my laughter because it looked like I was
>> finding it funnier by far than anybody else.
>>
>> Ann

> Yes... Please join *my* chapter of the professional Hoof-in-Mouth Assoc.  We
> have an honors committee with the assoc. who specialize in swapping hooves
> at a rapid rate.  I chair that committee.  'Enough said.

Why should Ann join the Hoof-in-Mouth Assoc.? She didn't say anything.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Ah, I get it. Laughing is a crime now.

    In some places it is.

JMW

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> Why should Ann join the Hoof-in-Mouth Assoc.? She
> didn't say anything.


She evidently giggled, chortled, grinned or otherwise
evinced amusement.

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On Friday, September 05, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> Why should Ann join the Hoof-in-Mouth Assoc.? She
>> didn't say anything.

> She evidently giggled, chortled, grinned or otherwise
> evinced amusement.

Ah, I get it. Laughing is a crime now.

Karen

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Kay" <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>

> *** 'Enough said. ***


> Why should Ann join the Hoof-in-Mouth Assoc.? She didn't say anything.
>
> Karen

A good laugh tells all.

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On Friday, September 05, 2003, Alan Wild wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karen Kay" <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>

>> *** 'Enough said. ***


>> Why should Ann join the Hoof-in-Mouth Assoc.? She didn't say anything.
>>
>> Karen

> A good laugh tells all.

I can't believe that guy didn't intend to be funny.

Karen

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On Friday, September 05, 2003, John Williams wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> Ah, I get it. Laughing is a crime now.

>     In some places it is.

Note to self: don't go there.

Karen

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> > She evidently giggled, chortled, grinned or
> otherwise
> > evinced amusement.
>
> Ah, I get it. Laughing is a crime now.

Certainly not.  It just explains the mouth aspect of
this entire burning issue.

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Unfolding the triangle


>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
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>
>Wake up late on an off day, walk a mile or so to the nice coffee shop,
>plug in the computer, start reworking a story, take breaks and stand
>on the sidewalk, drinking coffee, finish story and walk back ... this
>is the life, man ...
>
>If anybody remembers a silly story in installments I had begun posting
>last year--I just finished it, and it's up at
><http://samant.com/prose/map.html>. Not really in a finished state,
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>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
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>
>Wake up late on an off day, walk a mile or so to the nice coffee shop,
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>on the sidewalk, drinking coffee, finish story and walk back ... this
>is the life, man ...
>
>If anybody remembers a silly story in installments I had begun posting
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On Friday, September 05, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> > She evidently giggled, chortled, grinned or
>> otherwise
>> > evinced amusement.
>>
>> Ah, I get it. Laughing is a crime now.

> Certainly not.  It just explains the mouth aspect of
> this entire burning issue.

To you.

Karen

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Thank you all for the suggestions, and bless.

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"When a man spends his own money to buy something for himself, he is very
careful about how much he spends and how he spends it.  When a man spends
his own money to buy something for someone else, he is still very careful
about how much he spends, but somewhat less what he spends in on.  When a
man spends someone else's money to buy something for himself, he is very
careful about what he buys, but doesn't care at all how much he spends.  And
when a man spends someone else's money on someone else, he doesn't care how
much he spends or what he spends it on.  And that's government for you."

- Milton Friedman, Economist and Nobel Laureate

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02003-09-05 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> "This is my friend Sally.  Her name was Sally Van Kitornich until this
> week. She just got married and now her name is Sally Cohen."
>
> The host:  "Sounds like an upgrade!" [extends hand etc.]

I find it funny in the sense that dorks trying to be funny are funny.

Man, nobody makes a GOOD non-meta joke! Old people least of all ...
their best jokes are all about CRAFT and Memory's The First To Go and
stuff.

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Ach, now that I think of it, I don't remember this at all.  Thus you must
not have finished it;
As for what words-l is for, I think we're for three things: still air in
wind tunnels, the end of the death tax on heirloom tomatoes, and
hypo-allergenic, scent-free flowers.


>If anybody remembers a silly story in installments I had begun posting
>last year--I just finished it, and it's up at
><http://samant.com/prose/map.html>. Not really in a finished state,
>but what is words-l for? If anyone feels like suggesting a title,
>welcome!

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Pearl Buck was a Nobel laureate, too, but I wouldn't be inclined to take her
advice on either prose or China.  Still, I'm glad you haven't let lapse your
subscription to Reader's Digest. Is it still 30 days to improve your word
power?  or have they upped it to 45?


>From: Alan Wild <awild@URI.EDU>
>
>- Milton Friedman, Economist and Nobel Laureate

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Greetings,

It is always amusing to hear cloistered old farts begin their
sentences with "When a man" ...


02003-09-05 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Pearl Buck was a Nobel laureate, too, but I wouldn't be inclined to take her
> advice on either prose or China.  Still, I'm glad you haven't let lapse your
> subscription to Reader's Digest. Is it still 30 days to improve your word
> power?  or have they upped it to 45?
>
>
> >From: Alan Wild <awild@URI.EDU>
> >
> >- Milton Friedman, Economist and Nobel Laureate
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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>
> Coming soon to the 2100 block of Market St. May already
> be open by now. Shelves were stacked the last time I
> walked by it.
>
>

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It's going to be Tuesday before they can even get into the attic
and string the cable into the apartment since Tracey has put
the kibosh on installing any cable outside.

Evelyn Duncan
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I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
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>  Coming soon to the 2100 block of Market St. May already
>  be open by now. Shelves were stacked the last time I
>  walked by it.

Stacked or stocked?

We just got home from a four mile hike with Lisa A.'s mother.  The three of
us are going out to Mache tonight.


bonnie

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Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> We went to Malden, MA this weekend to see the vizsla puppies. I'm partial to  the one with the wrinkly head on the upper right of this photo:
>
> http://marieascher.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=49182

They all look wonderful.  Were you present when the gate was opened for
them to come out to greet you?  That's what I noticed the day I met
Bernard.  He was the first out of the pen when the woman opened the
door.  I also noticed, looking down on the puppies as they tumbled out,
that he had a marking that reminded me of Super, a wonderful beagle of
my childhood.  I picked Bernard up, checked his genitals because I
wanted a male, and never put him down again.  I admired the other
puppies but hung onto Bernardykins.

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Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> I was in a group at a party last night.  Somebody came up to the group and
> introduced her friend, something like this:
>
> "This is my friend Sally.  Her name was Sally Van Kitornich until this
> week. She just got married and now her name is Sally Cohen."
>
> The host:  "Sounds like an upgrade!" [extends hand etc.]
>
> - - - - - -
>
> I thought it was hilarious at the time although possibly slightly rude,
> and I had to put a damper on my laughter because it looked like I was
> finding it funnier by far than anybody else.
>
> Now, this morning, I'm thinking . . . what's so funny about that?  Was I
> just drunk and nervous to think it was so hilarious?

It's funny because "Kitornich" is a <difficult> name -- i.e., one that
probably requires spelling it for people you're saying it to if they
need to write it down, etc.  Probably Sally also found it funny since
she had been hassling with Kitornich for years.  (And if she had wanted
to remain Kitornich, she would've.)  So it wasn't rude.  Actually, I'm
pretty sure I've heard that same line in the same context (not the same
name, of course).  Not that I'm suggesting that the person you heard say
it had heard somebody else say it.  It's just sort of a <natural> funny
line.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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The MSU student body pres is from Sylacauga.  I learned that today at
the investiture to-do for the new MSU Pres.  Various people made short
speeches, praising MSU and the new Pres.  (I kept wondering what the Ole
Miss Chancellor, who was sitting right behind me, was thinking about all
the little factoids about MSU, likes having the top students in the
state, being in the whatever the top tier is called these days of
research universities, being The People's University with a brief
mention thrown in about the eventless integration in the '60s -- quite
different from Ole Miss's eventful experience, etc. etc.  I guess
university preses are used to such occasions, though -- that every dog
has his day and all that.)  Anyway, the student-gov't pres in his little
speech made another reference to our being The People's University (a
label proudly worn by MSU for years) and said something about how an
indication of it was that he, "just a student from Sylacauga, Alabama,"
was up there on the platform with all these important people (like the
Gov, Lt Gov, new MSU Pres, board members, etc.).  His name is Josh
Blades.  Do you know any Bladeses in Sylacauga?
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> Thank you all for the suggestions, and bless.

Am I unblessed because I haven't had time yet to chase the url?  I
really do have lots of excuses for not chasing it yet.  It's a major
time-crunch time in my life.  But now I'm worrying about being
unblessed.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Friday, September 05, 2003, bonniev wrote:
> We just got home from a four mile hike with Lisa A.'s mother.

Cool!

> The three of us are going out to Mache tonight.

I hope she doesn't do anything you have to apologize for.

Karen

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I am so into marinades.

Tonight I am doing chicken breasts that have
been quietly absorbing the flavors of sherry,
soy, fresh ginger, minced fresh red peppers,
garlic, lemon zest, scallions . . .

Thanks to Sly who sent me tips on how to
kick the heart diet up a notch.

             - D. M.

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> Wake up late on an off day, walk a mile or so to the nice coffee shop,
> plug in the computer, start reworking a story, take breaks and stand
> on the sidewalk, drinking coffee, finish story and walk back ... this
> is the life, man ...
>
> If anybody remembers a silly story in installments I had begun posting
> last year--I just finished it, and it's up at
> <http://samant.com/prose/map.html>. Not really in a finished state,
> but what is words-l for? If anyone feels like suggesting a title,
> welcome!

I enjoyed the story, Tushar, and thought it was
well written.  Now, what are you going to do with it?

            - D. M.

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bonniev wrote:

> We just got home from a four mile hike with Lisa A.'s mother.  The three of
> us are going out to Mache tonight.

Neat.  So you have gotten the courage to return to Mache?  Tell -- I'm
blanking on her name -- not April -- April is the Internet Cafe person
-- anyway, tell the Mache Bistro person hi from your rowdy friends!

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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years.  (And if she had wanted
> to remain Kitornich, she would've.)  So it wasn't rude.  Actually, I'm
> pretty sure I've heard that same line in the same context (not the
same
> name, of course).  Not that I'm suggesting that the person you heard
say
> it had heard somebody else say it.  It's just sort of a <natural>
funny
> line.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Actually, I've had the same thought when I see in the newspaper that a
girl named Kutchenslammer or Backhaus or Peters
becomes a Williams or Smith or Adams.

          - D. M.

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> I am so into marinades.

I love marinating (except when I think about the oft-told tale about the
person here years ago who marinated lamb on his back porch for several
days in summer, giving everybody food poisoning -- I wasn't present at
that event, thank goodness).

But on the subject of food, is this going to be enough?  It doesn't
sound like enough to me.  Smoked salmon on toast points, a large
fruit-dominated salad on a bed of green, and tomato aspic.  I think I
mentioned that I'm having fourteen people to lunch Sunday.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Actually, I've had the same thought when I see in the newspaper that a
> girl named Kutchenslammer or Backhaus or Peters
> becomes a Williams or Smith or Adams.

I don't think it would be convenient to be a Williams or Smith or
Adams.  There are so many of those that confusion can occur.  Even with
a not-extremely-common first name like Clyde, there are three Clyde
Williamses in the Starkville phone book.  And we're talking here about a
very small town.  That example came to mind because I looked up Clyde's
phone number just yesterday -- the one of the three who is a friend of
mine.  I knew which one he was because I knew he was Clyde V. and I knew
his street, but not everybody might know that.

I think a name like Markland would be ideal.  It's not extremely common,
yet it's clear and easy to understand -- like you probably don't have to
spell it for people.  Spelling Maynor is something I do automatically,
though.  I automatically say, "Maynor -- m-a-y-n-o-r."  Or
em-ah-igrec-en-oh-er if I'm in France.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> They all look wonderful.  Were you present when the gate was
> opened for
> them to come out to greet you?  That's what I noticed the day I met
> Bernard.  He was the first out of the pen when the woman opened the
> door.

I wasn't actually. I had left the camera in the car, and Bruce and Patty (the breeder) went in before me. I've been warned about using the "first one that comes to you" method of choosing a puppy. Sometimes the sweetest ones aren't the most aggressive/outgoing ones.

Not that you didn't do the right thing in hanging onto Bernard, of course.

We weren't actually allowed to choose one yet, so I tried not to get too attached to any one. I admired them all, but I am, as I said before, partial to that male with the wrinkly head. But it's going to come down to which Patty keeps, and the owners of the stud. So, we'll see. They're all adorable.

Marie

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> But on the subject of food, is this going to be enough?  It doesn't
> sound like enough to me.  Smoked salmon on toast points, a large
> fruit-dominated salad on a bed of green, and tomato aspic.  I think I
> mentioned that I'm having fourteen people to lunch Sunday.
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
\
I always think you need a starch item for
some people.

How about an easy casserole of something
like frozen hashbrown potatoes with mushroom soup, sour cream, onion,
peppers.  Lots of recipes on the net.
Can make up in advance.

           - D. M.

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> I think a name like Markland would be ideal.  It's not extremely
common,
> yet it's clear and easy to understand -- like you probably don't have
to
> spell it for people.  Spelling Maynor is something I do automatically,
> though.  I automatically say, "Maynor -- m-a-y-n-o-r."  Or
> em-ah-igrec-en-oh-er if I'm in France.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Oddly, I do have to spell it constantly.
Or I have to say "Markland, as in Mark the
Land. " Otherwise I become Marquart or
some more common name.  Always the
clerk says "Oh.  Just like it sounds."
Duh.

             - D. M.

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I have four unrelated students with the same last name in
one of my classes.  It's not that big a deal.  Although
people are always asking me if I'm related to some Chapman
or other.  As if I'd know.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Doris Markland wrote:
>
>
>>Actually, I've had the same thought when I see in the newspaper that a
>>girl named Kutchenslammer or Backhaus or Peters
>>becomes a Williams or Smith or Adams.
>>
>
> I don't think it would be convenient to be a Williams or Smith or
> Adams.  There are so many of those that confusion can occur.  Even with
> a not-extremely-common first name like Clyde, there are three Clyde
> Williamses in the Starkville phone book.  And we're talking here about a
> very small town.  That example came to mind because I looked up Clyde's
> phone number just yesterday -- the one of the three who is a friend of
> mine.  I knew which one he was because I knew he was Clyde V. and I knew
> his street, but not everybody might know that.
>
> I think a name like Markland would be ideal.  It's not extremely common,
> yet it's clear and easy to understand -- like you probably don't have to
> spell it for people.  Spelling Maynor is something I do automatically,
> though.  I automatically say, "Maynor -- m-a-y-n-o-r."  Or
> em-ah-igrec-en-oh-er if I'm in France.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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02003-09-05 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> I enjoyed the story, Tushar, and thought it was
> well written.  Now, what are you going to do with it?

Thank you, D.M. I wasn't really going to do anything with it,
but due to some recent prodding I am going to rework it a few
of times and send it to some publication. Pretty well drawn up
plan, I think everyone will agree.

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Happy Birthday, Terry and Marie. I am having to read very selectively
right now.

Bethany

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> I have four unrelated students with the same last name in
> one of my classes.  It's not that big a deal.

Having four unrelated students with the same last name might not be a
big deal.  I've had that at various times.  But there are other
negatives about a very common last name -- like phone books (and
genealogy -- I've ignored my Mason branch to a large extent for that
reason).

Speaking of class rolls, some of these in a current class of mine give
me fits because of my bad pronunciation of Korean names and the
similarities:

Jeong, Mijin
Jung, Yeon Kyoung
Kim, Yeon Hoe
Kim, Young Soon

I have difficulties with Jeong/Jung and Yeon/Young.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>I have four unrelated students with the same last name in
>>one of my classes.  It's not that big a deal.
>>
>
> Having four unrelated students with the same last name might not be a
> big deal.  I've had that at various times.  But there are other
> negatives about a very common last name -- like phone books (and
> genealogy -- I've ignored my Mason branch to a large extent for that
> reason).
>
> Speaking of class rolls, some of these in a current class of mine give
> me fits because of my bad pronunciation of Korean names and the
> similarities:
>
> Jeong, Mijin
> Jung, Yeon Kyoung
> Kim, Yeon Hoe
> Kim, Young Soon
>
> I have difficulties with Jeong/Jung and Yeon/Young.

        1987 was the Antoine year.  Or Antwond.  Or Antwon.  Or
Antwoind.  I have one every hour, all spelled differently.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>Oddly, I do have to spell it constantly.
>Or I have to say "Markland, as in Mark the
>Land. " Otherwise I become Marquart or
>some more common name.  Always the
>clerk says "Oh.  Just like it sounds."
>Duh.

  >           - D. M.

Yep. "S-H-O-R-T" is an utterance I must produce more often than one would
think.

I'm confident I'll have better luck with not having to spell
"W-I-L-L-I-A-M-S" as often.

AS

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02003-09-05 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > Thank you all for the suggestions, and bless.
>
> Am I unblessed because I haven't had time yet to chase the url?  I
> really do have lots of excuses for not chasing it yet.  It's a major
> time-crunch time in my life.  But now I'm worrying about being
> unblessed.

Hey, it's going to stay there for a little while ...

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ANYBODY does it ...

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20030904214921.07708.00000443%40mb-m17.aol.com

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02003-09-04 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> I would love to see the preceding chapters; sorry I
> missed them.

Missed this ... There are no preceding chapters.

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02003-09-04 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> If She Wants To Know

We can tell a lot about YOU with this, Dr Ann!

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<dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> > I enjoyed the story, Tushar, and thought it was
> > well written.  Now, what are you going to do with it?
>
> Thank you, D.M. I wasn't really going to do anything with it,
> but due to some recent prodding I am going to rework it a few
> of times and send it to some publication. Pretty well drawn up
> plan, I think everyone will agree.

If you don't know where to send it get some good advice.  It think it's
do-able.

               - D. M.

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The recently concluded Jazz Fest is as good a frame of reference as
any. I'll particularly mention Ken Vandermark's Crisis Ensemble, which
in my opinion blew the roof off the fest. There are security guards
who will attest to this. "Hell of a show", one said, "did you understand
it?" I didn't know the answer to that, but I assumed he meant whether
I enjoyed it, and so I nodded. Surely the opinion of someone who didn't
have to like jazz and had to listen to it for three whole days counts
for something ...

At any rate, we now turn to the annoying loud people three rows behind.
They kept laughing, mostly nervously. This is the inevitable bunch that
thinks real music is extinct and they are listening to crap and the world
is going to hell.

Then there were the couples who left--guy with a grim constipated look,
lady in black and pearls, with looks which I take to mean "this wouldn't
go well with a steak and martini" ... Spare me ...

Then there was the long-haired guy selling or giving out "Thank you for
POT smoking" stickers. It may not be immediately apparent that the humor
of the message turns on a verbal device sometimes known as a pun. I expect
this living cliché made a killing on the festival grounds, since jazz and
reefer scarcely exist apart from each other, and consequently everybody
in the audience is a total pothead.

Then there were the stereotypical couples--really old guy with a really
young woman. Huh, I thought that didn't exist anymore ... True, I sensed
that in New York it's made a comeback, led by a large contingent of young
ex-Soviet women ... What's Chicago's excuse? Man, I hate these couples.
I hate every jazz liner note where the author speaks to a "bright young
woman" he knows, and she says something stupid, like "I don't know why
they criticize his playing, I think it's WONDERFUL!" Just really hate
that Woody Allen crap.

To be fair, most ex-Soviets who come to jazz events here are mother-and-
daughter pairs ... which I think is strange, totally LIKE THAT, and yet
oddly endearing.

But back to the subject--what's with the section of the audience
making this amazingly repressed GAY conversation? I understand it's
difficult. But man, aren't you in about the most immensely accepting
time and place in history? How unaware can you be about yourself? WOW.

Apart from these minor objections, though, this is a pleasant, reasonable,
intelligent crowd.

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At 05:32 PM 9/5/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Friday, September 05, 2003, bonniev wrote:
> > We just got home from a four mile hike with Lisa A.'s mother.
>
>Cool!
>
> > The three of us are going out to Mache tonight.
>
>I hope she doesn't do anything you have to apologize for.

She did not.  We had a great time, gossiping at the bar with another local,
having good food, and good company.  Honor was upheld, no fish and game
laws were broken, and no cell phones were used.

cwv

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Marie Ascher wrote:
> I've been warned about using the "first one that comes to you" method of choosing a puppy. Sometimes the sweetest ones aren't the most aggressive/outgoing ones.

I didn't know anybody else had ever used that method.  I thought I had
invented it.  It wasn't that he first came to me, though -- just that he
was first out of the pen -- out in general, not aimed at me.  I can see
the negative possibilies of that, though.  I've marveled at the
difference between Bernardykins and Spencer re open doors, etc.  As I
think I've said before, I don't even bother to put Spencer's leash on
when we're about to leave in the car.  I just let him out, open the car
door, and he jumps in.  If I opened a door and let Bernard out, he would
be in Columbus before I could blink an eye.

> Not that you didn't do the right thing in hanging onto Bernard, of course.

That is inded true.

Speaking of dogs, what do you think about Neutersol, Rita?  I heard a
presentation on it at last night's Humane Society meeting.  The vet who
gave the presentation says she's been doing it for shelter dogs without
any sedation, and that it's gone fine.  When I watched the procedure in
the video she showed us, I had big questions about the
without-sedation/anesthesia thought.  Would you male Wordslers feel
ho-hum about a needle stuck into your balls?  Two needles actually, one
for each ball.  And not just a quickie -- a slow release of the
atrophy-inducing gunk in the needle.  (But the vet said that they're
doing it only on dogs between three and ten months since that's the age
group that has been tested and approved for the procedure.  Since they
have little balls, the amount of gunk is relatively small.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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02003-09-05 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> > > I enjoyed the story, Tushar, and thought it was
> > > well written.  Now, what are you going to do with it?
> >
> > Thank you, D.M. I wasn't really going to do anything with it,
> > but due to some recent prodding I am going to rework it a few
> > of times and send it to some publication. Pretty well drawn up
> > plan, I think everyone will agree.
>
> If you don't know where to send it get some good advice.  It think it's
> do-able.

I have in fact gotten some good advice already, and am sending
out for more ...

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I always think you need a starch item for
> some people.

I think so too.  I have grave misgivings about the menu.  But what
happened is that an out-of-town guest planned it.  We were discussing in
e-mail her upcoming visit and decided on this Sunday lunch thing at my
house.  I said that I don't know how to do lunches, and she said that's
not a problem -- that she does -- that she does them all the time for
the French women who come along with their husbands on business trips to
her husband's company.  (He's a nuclear engineer.)  She said that she
would do all the fixing of the lunch.  She then sent me the menu, which
was smoked salmon on toast points and a mainly-fruit salad.  I knew that
wasn't enough food and decided to take a friend up on her offer of
bringing something.  (Wordslers should say YAY since I've been chastised
for never accepting offers of help -- but I did this time.)  So she's
going to bring tomato aspic.  But that's not starchy at all -- and not
filling at all -- it just tastes good.

> How about an easy casserole of something
> like frozen hashbrown potatoes with mushroom soup, sour cream, onion,
> peppers.  Lots of recipes on the net.
> Can make up in advance.

Sounds good to me, but time is running out.  And the idea of something
new and different is daunting.  Also, the idea was that everything was
going to be cold.  A casserole like that would need to be hot, wouldn't
it?

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > time-crunch time in my life.  But now I'm worrying about being
> > unblessed.
>
> Hey, it's going to stay there for a little while ...

WHEW!

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> His name is Josh
> Blades.  Do you know any Bladeses in Sylacauga?
> --


Yes, we know his folks, Richard and Betty Blades.
They own "A & M Clothing", a casual men's store.  My
husband has known Richard for years.  Betty used to be
the secretary at the First Presbyterian church, which
my husband's (Chris) family has attended for three
generations.

You know what, though, I think Richard and Betty must
be his GRANDparents, in which case, his aunt passed
away about three weeks ago at the age of 43.

I knew he had won several scholastic honors, but did
not know where he was headed to college.  Chris will
be pleased.

Thanks for the

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New pronoun alert:

On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, bonniev wrote:
>She won't soon forget you'll.

Bethany

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> > The three of us are going out to Mache tonight.
>
>I hope she doesn't do anything you have to apologize for.
>Karen

Nope.  She didn't. We had a great meal from about 6:30 until 9.   On Sunday
she and I are going to hike down the South Ridge of Cadillac while Clyde
watches football.  Then he will make salmon-under-parchment for the two of
us and lamb for himself.  Lisa's Mom is quite nice.


bonnie

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bonniev wrote:

> >-- anyway, tell the Mache Bistro person hi from your rowdy friends!
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> She won't soon forget you'll.

Should we feel flattered?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 06:00 PM 9/5/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>bonniev wrote:
>
> > We just got home from a four mile hike with Lisa A.'s mother.  The three of
> > us are going out to Mache tonight.
>
>Neat.  So you have gotten the courage to return to Mache?  Tell -- I'm
>blanking on her name -- not April -- April is the Internet Cafe person
>-- anyway, tell the Mache Bistro person hi from your rowdy friends!

We have been back to Mache before this.  Maureen is a very forgiving
person.  The food remains excellent.  And no flowers were mashed.

cwv

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>Neat.  So you have gotten the courage to return to Mache?  Tell -- I'm
>blanking on her name -- not April -- April is the Internet Cafe person

Maureen.

>-- anyway, tell the Mache Bistro person hi from your rowdy friends!
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

She won't soon forget you'll.


bonnie

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> It's going to be Tuesday before they can even get
> into the attic
> and string the cable into the apartment since Tracey
> has put
> the kibosh on installing any cable outside.


Hope you have plenty of tapes.

When does Daisy start to school?

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--- Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
> ANYBODY does it ...

Who is this individual, and when will this book be
snapped up by BOMC?

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> We can tell a lot about YOU with this, Dr Ann!

Where is the "Cinderella" girl now?


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 A casserole like that would need to be hot, wouldn't
> it?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
Yes.  But of course there is potato salad,
which is cold.

                 - D. M.

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> Thanks to Sly who sent me tips on how to
> kick the heart diet up a notch.


Yikes, do you really know Sylvester Stallone?  :-]

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> > I would love to see the preceding chapters; sorry
> I
> > missed them.
>
> Missed this ... There are no preceding chapters.

Should have been.  I want to know more about this
family.


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In a message dated 9/5/2003 8:26:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Hope you have plenty of tapes.

When does Daisy start to school?

>>

My brother got us a set of cheap rabbit ears for the TV in the
living room; we are down to 3 channels, and there's a program
on PBS on Monday that I really wanted to see and tape.

I was hoping that she would start this week, but, with everything
going on, that would have been another thing on me, and I can't
handle anything else.  We're homeschooling her.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> We have been back to Mache before this.  Maureen is a very forgiving
> person.  The food remains excellent.  And no flowers were mashed.

Maureen!  That was her name.  And I had the feeling that she was a good
person.

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02003-09-05 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > We can tell a lot about YOU with this, Dr Ann!
>
> Where is the "Cinderella" girl now?

In Bombay. She's got a little girl of her own now ...

Wish that Cinderella dress had survived. But that expression
on her face when it was ruined ... priceless ...

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02003-09-05 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > > I would love to see the preceding chapters; sorry
> > I
> > > missed them.
> >
> > Missed this ... There are no preceding chapters.
>
> Should have been.  I want to know more about this
> family.

Well I have a vague plan to write a whole "sitcom" ...

Anyway, in a slightly different mode, check out
http://samant.com/prose/scraps.html

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> I knew he had won several scholastic honors, but did
> not know where he was headed to college.  Chris will
> be pleased.
>
> Thanks for the

I bet there was supposed to be something after the "the" -- how fitting
since just this morning we were talking in my Descriptive English
Grammar class about determiners.

Please tell the Blades family (or tell Chris to tell them) that they
should be proud of their son (which quite likely they are without my
having to pass along the word to them to be).  It is a pretty big deal
to be Pres of the Student-Gov't.  And he also gave a good little talk
today.  I wish now that I remembered everything he said.  He ended it
with something slightly exaggerated and perhaps smaltzy, though it fit
perfectly with this kind of occasion -- something about how having a
degree from MSU meant more than just an excellent education -- something
about how when you walked through the doors at the end of your MSU stay
you were a better person -- that you knew how to treat other people
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Doris Markland wrote:

> Yes.  But of course there is potato salad,
> which is cold.

But potato salad sounds like picnic food, not like something to
accompany smoked salmon, wine, etc.  Still, though, I am interested in
all these thoughts on the menu.  If nothing else, I can come back to
y'all to report Sunday night that there was a glaring lack.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> living room; we are down to 3 channels, and there's a program
> on PBS on Monday that I really wanted to see and tape.

You can't get PBS with rabbit ears?  I find that surprising.  I thought
one of the main goals of PBS when it first got started was to build
towers all over the place, making it available to everybody.

> I was hoping that she would start this week, but, with everything
> going on, that would have been another thing on me, and I can't
> handle anything else.  We're homeschooling her.

Homeschooling might be best.  I've seen some obedience-trained dogs who
have given me pause re obedience-training.  And I've known lots of
home-schooled dogs who were wonderful.

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On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 18:36:49 -0500, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
wrote:

>I have difficulties with Jeong/Jung and Yeon/Young.

What's hard about that? Jung and Jeong are the same name, romanized
differently. You can thank (or not) the Ministry of Education for the 'eo'
nonsense. Yeon and Young also sound the same except for the final
consonant. Actually, the vowel sound in all these names is the same.

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In a message dated 9/5/2003 8:59:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
<<
You can't get PBS with rabbit ears?  I find that surprising.  I thought
one of the main goals of PBS when it first got started was to build
towers all over the place, making it available to everybody.

>>

We can get PBS somewhat with the rabbit ears, but it's fuzzy;
too fuzzy to be taped.  It's a cheap set of ears, not the set I wanted
to get; that one is amplified and programmable.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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02003-09-05 | mem <mem@LAVA.NET> writes:
> On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 18:36:49 -0500, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> wrote:
>
> >I have difficulties with Jeong/Jung and Yeon/Young.
>
> What's hard about that? Jung and Jeong are the same name, romanized
> differently. You can thank (or not) the Ministry of Education for the 'eo'
> nonsense. Yeon and Young also sound the same except for the final
> consonant. Actually, the vowel sound in all these names is the same.

And it is ...?

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I knew that
> wasn't enough food and decided to take a friend up
> on her offer of
> bringing something.  (Wordslers should say YAY since
> I've been chastised
> for never accepting offers of help -- but I did this
> time.)  So she's
> going to bring tomato aspic.  But that's not starchy
> at all -- and not
> filling at all -- it just tastes good.


Is this going to be buffet-style?  I can't imagine the
logistics of serving luncheon to a sit-down crowd.

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Well, hi. I know it will take me about a month to catch up in the archives,
and I'm going to stay nomail till I do, but I thought I'd better let you
all know the desert didn't eat me and I made it through Burning Man with
some real adventures to tell about once I get decompressed.

Did I miss much?
clo

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> Well, hi. I know it will take me about a month to catch up in the archives,
> and I'm going to stay nomail till I do, but I thought I'd better let you
> all know the desert didn't eat me and I made it through Burning Man with
> some real adventures to tell about once I get decompressed.

Funny timing.  I was just on the verge of sending a "Where Is Clo?"
message.  Welcome home!

> Did I miss much?

Oh yes.  Doris has left Gene and has moved in with Tushar.  Clyde has
left Bonnie in BH and moved to Knoxville to be with Bethany.  Marie and
Bruce are tired on NY and are moving to rural Idaho.  And lots and lots
more.  You'll have to read the archives carefully to get all of it.

--
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> I was hoping that she would start this week, but,
> with everything
> going on, that would have been another thing on me,
> and I can't
> handle anything else.  We're homeschooling her.

I am told home-schooled students do very well in
secondary education.

What were you going to tape on PBS?

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In a message dated 9/5/2003 8:59:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
<<
Homeschooling might be best.  I've seen some obedience-trained dogs who
have given me pause re obedience-training.  And I've known lots of
home-schooled dogs who were wonderful.

>>

The main thing is the biting; she doesn't do it out of meanness; there's
not a mean bone in her body.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > If She Wants To Know
> We can tell a lot about YOU with this, Dr Ann!

Yes, I suppose so.

I rather like Marty's suggestion with "triangle" in the title.  I didn't
like (and don't remember) the exact title he suggested; but I do think
that Triangle in the title would be wonderfully suggestive.  Bombay
Triangle.  This would insinuate a lot about YOU and your ma - pa - son
relationship and would give the whole thing ever so much DEPTH!

Ann

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> Wish that Cinderella dress had survived. But that
> expression
> on her face when it was ruined ... priceless ...

You've got to write it all!

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mem wrote:

> >I have difficulties with Jeong/Jung and Yeon/Young.
>
> What's hard about that? Jung and Jeong are the same name, romanized
> differently. You can thank (or not) the Ministry of Education for the 'eo'
> nonsense.

What's hard about it?  I find that a very strange question given what
you have said.  It's hard because they sound just alike.  I thought that
had been my point re Jung/Jeong.

> Yeon and Young also sound the same except for the final
> consonant. Actually, the vowel sound in all these names is the same.

Yes re the vowel sound -- there is no problem with the vowel sound.  The
final consonant difference of Yeon/Young is difficult for me, however.
I've practiced it over and over, sometimes in class, sometimes
elsewhere.  And I still screw up that final almost-th sound.  Some of us
are just not as talented as others re such things.  I should import you
to be my roll-caller.  (Actually, I don't call the roll after I know all
the names in the class.  And I'm very close to that now.)

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> Apart from these minor objections, though, this is a
> pleasant, reasonable,
> intelligent crowd.

Beyond the ex-Soviets, what types are bearable at
these functions?


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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > consonant. Actually, the vowel sound in all these names is the same.
>
> And it is ...?

Something not far from a schwa.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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In a message dated 9/5/2003 9:24:11 PM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
What were you going to tape on PBS?

>>

It's a program by Ken Burns' brother on the World Trade Center.
He had a series on PBS on the history of New York and was
finishing the last chapter when the towers fell.

Did you know that the Bank of Oklahoma building in downtown
Tulsa was designed by the same architect as the towers?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, bonniev wrote:
>
> >-- anyway, tell the Mache Bistro person hi from your rowdy friends!
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> She won't soon forget you'll.

I want to go to Bar Harbor and make a stupid spectacle of myself so bad
that Bonnie and Clyde can never live it down.

Maybe I will have to put drugs in their drinks so they somehow seem
obviously conspiring in idiocy and disgusting revolting demeaning displays
of irredeemably depraved BEHAVIOR.

Ann

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On 5 Sep 2003 at 21:08, Tushar Samant wrote:

> And it is ...?

About like uh uttered by speakers of American English. Young sounds
just like Young.

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At 07:35 PM 9/5/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:

>I want to go to Bar Harbor and make a stupid spectacle of myself so bad
>that Bonnie and Clyde can never live it down.

It is clear that you do rather well at that where you are now---why involve us?

cwv

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On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> >I want to go to Bar Harbor and make a stupid spectacle of myself so bad
> >that Bonnie and Clyde can never live it down.
> It is clear that you do rather well at that where you are now---why involve us?

Because, it's so lonely, making an ass of one's self, where nobody
notices,
and not dragging down anybody else.

Call me crazy!  I want to crash and burn and take you down with me!

Ann

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> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > Yes.  But of course there is potato salad,
> > which is cold.
>
> But potato salad sounds like picnic food, not like something to
> accompany smoked salmon, wine, etc.  Still, though, I am interested in
> all these thoughts on the menu.  If nothing else, I can come back to
> y'all to report Sunday night that there was a glaring lack.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Perhaps.  But chefs do surprising things like this.  It's all in the
presentation.

                  - D. M.

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On 5 Sep 2003 at 21:28, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> > >I have difficulties with Jeong/Jung and Yeon/Young.
> >
> > What's hard about that? Jung and Jeong are the same name, romanized
> > differently. You can thank (or not) the Ministry of Education for the 'eo'
> > nonsense.
>
> What's hard about it?  I find that a very strange question given what
> you have said.  It's hard because they sound just alike.  I thought that
> had been my point re Jung/Jeong.

Clearly I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying you found
something difficult about dealing with different spellings for the
same sound. They sound alike because they are the same. A bit like
having a class with a Bill Green and a Ted Greene.


> Yes re the vowel sound -- there is no problem with the vowel sound.  The
> final consonant difference of Yeon/Young is difficult for me, however.

That's just a conditioning thing, isn't it? Young is a common
English word so it's no trouble. You don't have trouble with yen or
gin, so there's nothing intrinsically difficult about the final n.
I'm not sure where you're hearing a final almost-th sound.

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On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

> > We can tell a lot about YOU with this, Dr Ann!
>
> Where is the "Cinderella" girl now?

This is my favorite exchange of all words-l.

Ann

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Sunday August 17th.   Go North!  Larry threw a couple of irons on the gas
pedal and we were at Korbel Champagne Cellars before they opened.  Nice
flower beds up front, so we set about smushing some flowers for the sake of
photo opportunities.  We strolled up to the bar and prepared for our
champagne breakfast.  We tasted, we questioned, we tasted some more, and
nearly doubled the limit.  Some of it was very good.  I liked the cabernet
champagne, but that is only available at the cellars. Should have brought a
bigger backpack!  They do have some odd policies of only shipping to
certain states.  Highly discriminatory! We did however ask where we could
go see grapes as we didn’t have time for their tour.

Off to saddle up and take in Armstrong Redwood Preserve.  Nice horses,
quarter horses I found out.  And yes, as Betty mentioned they liked to walk
the edge.  The Zenrin Kushu has a verse for that: “Ride your horse along
the edge of a sword: Hide yourself in the middle of the flames.” I just
made sure I didn’t get my legs scrapped.

When we stopped, my horse had his feet tied.  I asked why, “Politicking”;
it goes on everywhere in CA!  It was a nice ride, and I think we saw more
than if we had hoofed it ourselves.

Connolly’s was the next stop.  No Myles yet.  So we ordered beers, pool was
free so we hit some balls around.  The table was as hilly as the trails.
Connolly’s wasn’t quite what I had in my mind from years ago.  For some
reason I thought it would be lighter tones inside, but it has evolved into
a standard town bar with pool tables.

The Santa Rosa Stick sauntered in with his case.  He was not hard to miss
with his trademark cap.  Greetings were exchanged and he proceeded to warm
up.  After the ale and 8 were sunk, we adjourned to a café around the
corner.  To the drip drip of water on the awning we chatted and planned our
attack on the vineyard.

Since we originally had other plans, we all duly forgot the name of the
road.  We did however find it and the grapes.  Champagne grapes are the
tiniest.  We taste tested.  Sweet to start and puckery at the end.

Continuing south with Myles in tow, we dropped in on the Lovely Lorinda and
Koi Keeper Kevin.  Wonderful people.  Kevin built a great backyard pond.
Nice hobby.  We also enjoyed shutterbug Kyleigh, B&L’s niece.  I of course
referred to Betty as aunt not ant, but no one looked at me funny or said
anything.

On the way home, a Trader Joe’s stop yielded lots of interesting things to
look at.  We tasted green tea ice cream.  Rather strong!  I only bought
turkey jerky and flowers.

We arrived at Chez Clark before the sun set, observing quite the cloud bank
roaring in.  Marinated salmon, fresh beans from L&K, and a wonderful Korbel
capped the night.  It was going to be another obscene wakeup in the morning.

Monday August 18th.  It was a breeze into SF airport.  I believe Larry was
off to hit a few balls; he didn’t get much golfing in while I was around.
The flight home was uneventful.  From Charlotte to Prov. I sat next to man
who was on his way home from visiting his mother in FL.  His daughter had
lived in SF at one time.  As we approached Prov, the conversations started
up again, and I found out he was a history prof at URI.

Although a wonderful time, I was glad to be home, I must admit I was
getting tired and I missed Al and the kids.  I came through the security
gates and there they were coming up to the gates.  They were hoping to see
the plane land, but I guess it was a few minutes early.  Hugs were
exchanged, I was ‘checked out’ for tattoos and other trappings, and then a
sleeping Edward was passed to me as we headed to baggage claim.  Here Ed
woke up, looked at me, looked around, looked back at me and smiled. He
hugged me and looked up and pointed at me while looking at Alan, just to
let Al know I was here.

Everyone was so excited, they couldn’t stop chattering.  We all had so much
to tell.  Al did a wonderful job keeping things running smoothly.  A big
hug and thanks to Al for helping me have this experience.  Big hugs and
thanks also to Betty and Larry for being such gracious and accommodating
hosts.  And big hugs and thanks to our friends Sue and David for all their
help in making this happen.

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02003-09-05 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > If She Wants To Know
> > We can tell a lot about YOU with this, Dr Ann!
>
> Yes, I suppose so.
>
> I rather like Marty's suggestion with "triangle" in the title.  I didn't
> like (and don't remember) the exact title he suggested; but I do think
> that Triangle in the title would be wonderfully suggestive.  Bombay
> Triangle.  This would insinuate a lot about YOU and your ma - pa - son
> relationship and would give the whole thing ever so much DEPTH!

Yeah, pretty deep ...

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02003-09-05 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@GWI.NET> writes:
> At 07:35 PM 9/5/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> >I want to go to Bar Harbor and make a stupid spectacle of myself so bad
> >that Bonnie and Clyde can never live it down.
>
> It is clear that you do rather well at that where you are now---why involve
> us?

What's the fun in doing it alone? You have got to embarrass someone
else.

I'll do it, actually ... Hey, I can get a slab of four days free any
time. I could go to Bar Harbor, enter Mache Bistro with a ton of bling
on, and turn on the pimp juice spigot baby! No flower will be ass-free
THAT day ... no floor unstained, no tablecloths unsmeared, few glasses
uncracked. When leaving, I'll explain my lack of tip by saying I know
the Voigtlanders. It's watertight.

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> Call me crazy!  I want to crash and burn and take
> you down with me!

Hey, it's lonely at the top!


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02003-09-05 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > Apart from these minor objections, though, this is a
> > pleasant, reasonable,
> > intelligent crowd.
>
> Beyond the ex-Soviets, what types are bearable at
> these functions?

Everyone else.

I don't really go to any Big Venues ... man, those things are overrun
by people with ridiculous disposable incomes, is one way of putting
it. Or rich college students--which is perhaps the only type of college
student anymore. I go to the cheap places. So it's mainly nerds, often
with some musical ability. There are few real desiccated souls in there,
but overall it's OK.

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02003-09-05 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET> writes:
> That's just a conditioning thing, isn't it? Young is a common
> English word so it's no trouble. You don't have trouble with yen or
> gin, so there's nothing intrinsically difficult about the final n.

Besides, "young'un" is a common word.

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02003-09-05 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> > > We can tell a lot about YOU with this, Dr Ann!
> >
> > Where is the "Cinderella" girl now?
>
> This is my favorite exchange of all words-l.

Why?

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02003-09-05 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, bonniev wrote:
> >
> > >-- anyway, tell the Mache Bistro person hi from your rowdy friends!
> > >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> > She won't soon forget you'll.
>
> I want to go to Bar Harbor and make a stupid spectacle of myself so bad
> that Bonnie and Clyde can never live it down.
>
> Maybe I will have to put drugs in their drinks so they somehow seem
> obviously conspiring in idiocy and disgusting revolting demeaning displays
> of irredeemably depraved BEHAVIOR.

They don't have to be there. You just mention them and demand a discount.

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02003-09-05 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET> writes:
> On 5 Sep 2003 at 21:28, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Yes re the vowel sound -- there is no problem with the vowel sound.  The
> > final consonant difference of Yeon/Young is difficult for me, however.
>
> That's just a conditioning thing, isn't it? Young is a common
> English word so it's no trouble. You don't have trouble with yen or
> gin, so there's nothing intrinsically difficult about the final n.
> I'm not sure where you're hearing a final almost-th sound.

Agreed 100% ... what's the PROBLEM, Maynor?

(BTW, I am acquiring these Korean skills at such a fast pace
because I want to go to the 24-hr BBQ over that way ...)

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02003-09-05 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET> writes:
> On 5 Sep 2003 at 21:08, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > And it is ...?
>
> About like uh uttered by speakers of American English. Young sounds
> just like Young.

Thank you ...

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This is a move in the right direction.  Mine wasn't good enough, but the
triangle/square is at the center of everything.


>From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET>
>>I rather like Marty's suggestion with "triangle" in the title.  I didn't
>like (and don't remember) the exact title he suggested; but I do think
>that Triangle in the title would be wonderfully suggestive.  Bombay
>Triangle.  This would insinuate a lot about YOU and your ma - pa - son
>relationship and would give the whole thing ever so much DEPTH!
>
>Ann

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On Friday, September 05, 2003, bonniev wrote:
>> > The three of us are going out to Mache tonight.
>>
>>I hope she doesn't do anything you have to apologize for.
>>Karen

> Nope.  She didn't.

Whew!

> Lisa's Mom is quite nice.

Where is Lisa?

Karen

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On Friday, September 05, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> Because, it's so lonely, making an ass of one's self, where nobody
> notices,
> and not dragging down anybody else.

Indeed.

> Call me crazy!  I want to crash and burn and take you down with me!

I didn't see any glass panels in restaurants...

Karen

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On Friday, September 05, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>> Doris Markland wrote:
>>
>> > Yes.  But of course there is potato salad,
>> > which is cold.
>>
>> But potato salad sounds like picnic food, not like something to
>> accompany smoked salmon, wine, etc.  Still, though, I am interested in
>> all these thoughts on the menu.  If nothing else, I can come back to
>> y'all to report Sunday night that there was a glaring lack.
>>
>> --
>>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

> Perhaps.  But chefs do surprising things like this.  It's all in the
> presentation.

A vinegar potato salad, not a mayo one.

Karen

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> Is this going to be buffet-style?  I can't imagine the
> logistics of serving luncheon to a sit-down crowd.

Oh yes.  Definitely buffet.  My table is crowded with even eight
people.  There's no way I could <table> fourteen.  It's going to be
tricky for everybody to find a place to sit even this way -- as in
enough comfortable seats with a convenient place to put a glass or
whatever.  I fear it's going to be a bit chaotic.  But these are all
people I know very well, and nobody is likely to mind a bit of chaos.

I think I mentioned earlier that I never have luncheons.  Dinners are
much easier in many ways.  One thing is the beverage situation.  For
dinners it's simple:  drinks before dinner (I normally set the stuff out
and make the guests fix their own), then wine and water with dinner.
The usual thing for lunches around here is bloody marys before eating,
but some people (including me) don't like mid-day drinking, so I guess
they'll just sit around drinking nothing at first.  (I do think we'll go
on and eat pretty soon -- unlike dinners, where it would be an hour or
two after the arrival of the guests.)  And with the meal some people
will want wine but some iced tea.  I'll probably make sun tea tomorrow
morning -- or maybe this afternoon.  I'll have a pitcher of tea, some
bottles of wine, and various kinds of glasses out.  That will also mean
putting sugar in a bowl since some people might like sweetened tea.  And
lemon slices.  And maybe I'll go grab some of my neighbors' mint
tomorrow morning.  Anyway, it all seems more complicated than a dinner
would be.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>I want to go to Bar Harbor and make a stupid spectacle of myself so bad
>that Bonnie and Clyde can never live it down.
>Ann

Bring it on.


bonnie

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:

> Clearly I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying you found
> something difficult about dealing with different spellings for the
> same sound. They sound alike because they are the same. A bit like
> having a class with a Bill Green and a Ted Greene.

I was talking about two different kinds of problems with various names
in that class.  (There are nine Koreans in the class.)  One problem is
getting the identities straight because of the similar names -- and the
students' knowing which one I'm saying here at the beginning of the
semester when I actually call rolls.  The other problem is the
pronunciation of some of the names -- not all of them.

> > Yes re the vowel sound -- there is no problem with the vowel sound.  The
> > final consonant difference of Yeon/Young is difficult for me, however.
>
> That's just a conditioning thing, isn't it? Young is a common
> English word so it's no trouble. You don't have trouble with yen or
> gin, so there's nothing intrinsically difficult about the final n.
> I'm not sure where you're hearing a final almost-th sound.

I'll have to consult my class cards Monday and report to you which names
are pronounced how (according to the users of those names).  I made
notes on those cards when asking them about their own pronunciations of
their names.  I'm pretty sure that it's Young that has a -th at the
end.  She was on the front row, right in front of me, when she
pronounced it for me.  She did it again slowly, and I could actually see
the tongue between the teeth.  That led us to a brief discussion of how
I had not realized that th (the voiceless version -- theta symbol)
existed in Korean.  Even though we're not to phonology yet in that
class, I gave them a very quick preview of the fun ahead and mentioned
the difficulty many speakers of other languages have with the English th
sounds.

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Terry Wild wrote:

>   They do have some odd policies of only shipping to
> certain states.  Highly discriminatory!

That has to do with the laws of the <receiving> states, doesn't it?

> sleeping Edward was passed to me as we headed to baggage claim.  Here Ed
> woke up, looked at me, looked around, looked back at me and smiled. He
> hugged me and looked up and pointed at me while looking at Alan, just to
> let Al know I was here.

I loved all of the descriptions in all three parts of the WHTM, but I
think this is my very favorite!

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Perhaps.  But chefs do surprising things like this.  It's all in the
> presentation.

True.  I have no aspiration toward chefdom, though.

Hmm.  I wonder whether I might be able to buy something like a
<sophisticated> kind of potato salad in a largish quantity at City
Bagel.

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> > Lisa's Mom is quite nice.
>
>Where is Lisa?
>Karen

She's home in the Boston area.  She's taking a break from words-l.


bonnie

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The plan:

I will be moving some items on 9/13 and on 9/20 - then the big moving day
will be 9/22. Donna, our parking lot attendant and former professional
mover, will help me on the 13th and 20th (NO HOME FOOTBALL!). I hope to
move all art work, especially paintings, some clothing (winter stuff),
most dishes, most food, and some of the bookcases on the 13th and 20th.

I think I will have to see the bookcases in their new home before I can
decide where I want all of them - probably some in my study and some in my
living room. Also - I may refinish some (I will have plenty of room to do
that). Before I moved back to the Old City in 1995, I arranged for them to
be stripped and stained. Unfortunately, the people I hired (mid-range
price, not the most expensive in town) did not understand what staining
was, and they used the stain that I provided like paint. I was sick when I
saw what they had done, but I decided to live with the result for a while.
But I may be ready to strip and stain. I built the bookcases between
1979-1981 and painted them at that time. Never again!

Bethany

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> >> But potato salad sounds like picnic food, not like something to
> >> accompany smoked salmon, wine, etc.  Still, though, I am
> interested in
> >> all these thoughts on the menu.  If nothing else, I can come
> back to
> >> y'all to report Sunday night that there was a glaring lack.
>
> > Perhaps.  But chefs do surprising things like this.  It's all in the
> > presentation.
>
> A vinegar potato salad, not a mayo one.

That was my first thought re the potato salad. I have a great recipe for one, too, if you're interested.

Regarding the rest of the menu, it seems a little lacking, but I think it could be remedied by adding another item suitable for serving on toast points. Maybe an egg salad (lightly) topped with caviar?

Marie

Marie

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> elsewhere.  And I still screw up that final almost-th sound.  Some
> of us
> are just not as talented as others re such things.  I should
> import you
> to be my roll-caller.

I've discovered a phrase I somehow just can't say -- it gets all screwed up in my mouth: "vulvar cancer". Hopefully I won't have to say it too often. (this was a work thing, not a personal thing)

Marie

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Marie Ascher wrote:
>
>>I've been warned about using the "first one that comes to you" method of choosing a puppy. Sometimes the sweetest ones aren't the most aggressive/outgoing ones.
>>
>
> I didn't know anybody else had ever used that method.  I thought I had
> invented it.  It wasn't that he first came to me, though -- just that he
> was first out of the pen -- out in general, not aimed at me.  I can see
> the negative possibilies of that, though.


        I think that's the way most people choose their puppy.  I'm
guessing Marie will have a choice of a subset of the litter.
  The dam and sire owners take their picks first, then
they'll probably try to place anything else in the litter
with great show potential in a show home.\

        The pups have probably been temperment tested.  This is
pretty reliable to determining what kind of personality the
pup will have.  But my dogs have all just sort of ended up
with me, so I can't say whether it works out better or not.



>
> Speaking of dogs, what do you think about Neutersol, Rita?



        In the past few years I've developed reservations about
spay/neuter because I think that hormones are probably
pretty important.  Irish setters develop "spay coat" -- all
that beautiful silky red coat turns to absolute fuzzy shit.
  I wonder what else turns to shit that I can't see (some
cancers are thought to be linked -- such as Maynard's
osteosarcoma).  So, a method that preserves the hormone
production would be a health benefit to the dog, I think.
Of course, it does nothing for behavior issues that come
with hormones.  I don't find an intact dog hard to live
with, though.


  Two needles actually, one
> for each ball.  And not just a quickie -- a slow release of the
> atrophy-inducing gunk in the needle.  (But the vet said that they're
> doing it only on dogs between three and ten months since that's the age
> group that has been tested and approved for the procedure.  Since they
> have little balls, the amount of gunk is relatively small.)


        Maybe not putting the dog under, but a dose of Bute or Ace or
something would be humane.  Heck, they were still cutting
the foreskin off baby boys without anesthesia up until very
recently.  Tell me that doesn't hurt.  So, I'm not surprised.



--
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
>
>>living room; we are down to 3 channels, and there's a program
>>on PBS on Monday that I really wanted to see and tape.
>>
>
> You can't get PBS with rabbit ears?  I find that surprising.  I thought
> one of the main goals of PBS when it first got started was to build
> towers all over the place, making it available to everybody.



        The PBS signal is pretty strong here, but I always remember
WGBH being weak when I was growing up -- maybe because the
South Shore was still considered pretty rural back then.  We
get 4 channels, 3 when ABC goes out (they have a
malfunctioning tower).


>>I was hoping that she would start this week, but, with everything
>>going on, that would have been another thing on me, and I can't
>>handle anything else.  We're homeschooling her.
>>
>
> Homeschooling might be best.  I've seen some obedience-trained dogs who
> have given me pause re obedience-training.  And I've known lots of
> home-schooled dogs who were wonderful.


        I'm going to do clicker training with my next puppy.
Vinnie is trained by traditional methods.




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Thank you, Doris, for originating the potato salad thought; thank you,
others, for joining the discussion; thank you, RitaL, for the recipe.  I
was on my way to shop for the ingredients for your recipe, Rita, but I
got side-tracked by running into some friends in the campus bakery,
where I was buying cute cookies for tomorrow, and we ended up sitting
around there and then one person came with me to my house to examine the
serving-platter situation.  So I set out again a couple of hours later
but decided I was hungry and would stop at City Bagel for a sandwich and
to look at their possible items for tomorrow.  I tried their potato
salad, deemed it perfect, and bought a bunch of it.  Actually, the bunch
of it doesn't look like very much.  The person there told me that three
pounds would be about right for fifteen people (we're up to fifteen now
-- invited another person in the bakery this morning).  I hope the
person who stuck it into the container understood the other person
correctly when he said to dish up three pounds.  It looks a bit scant to
me.  But it tastes good.  (I didn't taste what's in the container.  I
had some with my sandwich while there.  He had offered me some just to
taste, but I said that since I was hungry and was about to order a
sandwich, I'd just do a regular side-order of it.)

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> > A vinegar potato salad, not a mayo one.
>
> That was my first thought re the potato salad.

What I got is mayonnaise-based.  I asked the person that question.  He
said mayonnaise but "with a zing."  I don't know what all is in it, but
it's definitely zingy.

> Regarding the rest of the menu, it seems a little lacking, but I think it could be remedied by adding another item suitable for serving on toast points. Maybe an egg salad (lightly) topped with caviar?

That sounds good -- the egg salad, at least -- I don't like caviar
(which is why that part doesn't sound good to me -- but I'm feeding
others, not just me).  I think there's plenty of food now, though.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         In the past few years I've developed reservations about
> spay/neuter because I think that hormones are probably
> pretty important.  Irish setters develop "spay coat" -- all
> that beautiful silky red coat turns to absolute fuzzy shit.
>   I wonder what else turns to shit that I can't see (some
> cancers are thought to be linked -- such as Maynard's
> osteosarcoma).

I've always had reservations about it.  I had no choice with Spencer
since it's part of the promise when adopting.  And I of course
understand the point of animal shelters' encouraging it.  Still I've
never felt comfortable with it.

> So, a method that preserves the hormone
> production would be a health benefit to the dog, I think.
> Of course, it does nothing for behavior issues that come
> with hormones.  I don't find an intact dog hard to live
> with, though.

That question was discussed at the meeting.  I can't remember exactly
what the vet said except that supposedly the decrease in hormone
production with neutersol affects the behavior issues to some extent.
They're still testing it.  In fact, the shelters dogs from here are part
of the project.  They're going to try to keep track of them to report on
their behavior, etc.  It's because this vet is part of the testing
program that the shelter gets a big price break on the stuff.  We (the
OCHS) are in cahoots now with the Neurosol people.  Or at least this vet
is.  I don't know much about her.  I've been meaning to look at her
website (www.ThinkVet.com).

>         Maybe not putting the dog under, but a dose of Bute or Ace or
> something would be humane.  Heck, they were still cutting
> the foreskin off baby boys without anesthesia up until very
> recently.  Tell me that doesn't hurt.  So, I'm not surprised.

It bothered me when she said they were doing it with no sedation, and it
bothered me even more when I was watching the videotape she showed us of
the procedure (a training video she had used to learn how to do it --
not a video she'd made herself).

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PS:  Another interesting question re Neutersol was raised by somebody at
the meeting.  Supposedly the balls of neutersoled dogs look pretty close
to normal -- they don't need to feel self-conscious or have neuticles
implanted.  Somebody raised the question of dog shows -- that neutered
dogs aren't allowed in them.  (Why is that, btw?  I started to ask that
question at the meeting, but there were too many other things to
discuss.)  Anyway, the thought arose that somebody could lie about a
dog's status, entering a neutersoled dog in a dog show.

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Esteemed meebers, I have a buyer for my PBG3, and I am removing files from
it right now. I have deceided to keep the 145B for archiving. I need a
buyer for the iMac. I am <deleting> and <wiping> - and I will <wipe free
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Interesting.  I just went to the website of the vet who spoke at the
OCHS meeting and found it odd that there was no mention at all of her
credentials/experience, except that she has a DVM.  I know it's from
Colorado State because somebody asked her that question at the meeting
-- or rather asked her whether she had gone to the MSU vet school.  She
said that it hadn't existed back when she lived in Sville.  She appears
to be in her early 50s or so.  And I take it she must be a Starkville
native.  Or maybe she went to MSU to undergraduate school.  Anyway, she
has apparently lived here in the long-ago past.  It seems odd that her
website wouldn't mention where she got her degree and what she has done
since then.  It makes me somehow suspicious.

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Hmm.  I googled for her and found this:

*********
First Author: Kristine Tischer, BS, MA, DVM
Affiliation: College of Veterinary Medicine; Mississippi State
*********
from: http://hahn.lcs.mit.edu/98Talbot/posters.htm

Somebody asked her before her talk if she was with the Vet School, and
she said no -- that she had no connection with the vet school.
Apparently she used to.  Makes me wonder if maybe she got fired.

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Her father was a professor and died xmas day 1987 in Starkville:

http://www.gencircles.com/users/snakaji/9/data/384

Enough detective work.  Back to luncheon thoughts.

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Detective work is fun:

**********
New faculty and staff for 1998
...
Kristine Tischer, lecturer, DVM, Colorado State University, previous
position: assistant to dean for multimedia instructional development and
assistant professor, anatomy and neurobiology, Colorado State University
**********
from: http://msuinfo.ur.msstate.edu/msu_memo/1998/10-05-98/staff.htm

Regressing from assistant professor to lecturer.  Hmm.  Something is
wrong with this picture.

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In a message dated 9/3/2003 6:30:59 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

>I was 28/44--we are twins!!!!
>
>Karen
>
I couldn't get the damned site to work for me. Or perhaps they ran out of
numbers to grade my IQ? :-) Theo

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In a message dated 9/3/2003 7:24:18 PM, BrandyKitt@AOL.COM writes:

>I've told Mom that if they can't activate the internal cable on Friday
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>
There you go, good solution. Theo

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In a message dated 9/5/2003 12:12:36 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

>Man, nobody makes a GOOD non-meta joke! Old people least of all ...
>their best jokes are all about CRAFT and Memory's The First To Go and
>stuff.
>
I beg your pardon..... Theo

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> I don't really go to any Big Venues ... man, those things are overrun
> by people with ridiculous disposable incomes, is one way of putting
> it. Or rich college students--which is perhaps the only type of
> collegestudent anymore. I go to the cheap places. So it's mainly
> nerds, often
> with some musical ability. There are few real desiccated souls in
> there,but overall it's OK.

Small places are better musical experiences anyway, which is why part of me wants to keep Los Lonely Boys my own little secret. I have a feeling I won't be standing three feet from Henry's guitar again. (or get the opportunity to steal a kiss)

Marie

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On Saturday, September 06, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> It seems odd that her website wouldn't mention where she got her
> degree and what she has done since then. It makes me somehow
> suspicious.

If she only does research, I'd agree. But for a regular, practicing
vet, I can't see why.

Karen

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On Saturday, September 06, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
> Small places are better musical experiences anyway, which is why
> part of me wants to keep Los Lonely Boys my own little secret.

Well, if it makes you feel better, they are in teeny tiny print on the
Austin City Limits Music Festival ad I saw last night.

Karen

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> Thank you, Doris, for originating the potato salad thought; thank you,
> others, for joining the discussion; thank you, RitaL, for the recipe.
I
> was on my way to shop for the ingredients for your recipe, Rita, but I
> got side-tracked by running into some friends in the campus bakery,
> where I was buying cute cookies for tomorrow, and we ended up sitting
> around there and then one person came with me to my house to examine
the
> serving-platter situation.  So I set out again a couple of hours later
> but decided I was hungry and would stop at City Bagel for a sandwich
and
> to look at their possible items for tomorrow.  I tried their potato
> salad, deemed it perfect, and bought a bunch of it.
>
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>

Not to overdo, but if you need color I can see the potato salad
garnished with strips of sweet red peppers.

                      - D. M.

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>Then there were the stereotypical couples--really old guy with a really
>young woman. Huh, I thought that didn't exist anymore ... True, I sensed
>that in New York it's made a comeback, led by a large contingent of young
>ex-Soviet women ... What's Chicago's excuse?

Maybe when you are a really old guy trying to live with a really old woman,
you will come to understand and no longer scoff.

 > But man, aren't you in about the most immensely accepting
 >time and place in history?

 From what I read of the judgmental rantings that you do on this service, I
would say we do NOT live in an immensely accepting time.


bonnie

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02003-09-06 | bonniev <bonniev@GWI.NET> writes:
> >Then there were the stereotypical couples--really old guy with a really
> >young woman. Huh, I thought that didn't exist anymore ... True, I sensed
> >that in New York it's made a comeback, led by a large contingent of young
> >ex-Soviet women ... What's Chicago's excuse?
>
> Maybe when you are a really old guy trying to live with a really old woman,
> you will come to understand and no longer scoff.

I mightn't be that far ... I am certainly old enough to have
expected this amazingly predictable remark ...

> > But man, aren't you in about the most immensely accepting
> >time and place in history?
>
> From what I read of the judgmental rantings that you do on this service, I
> would say we do NOT live in an immensely accepting time.

Excellent logic, Doctor ...

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02003-09-06 | Theo Groothof <Dutchessg1@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 9/5/2003 12:12:36 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
>
> >Man, nobody makes a GOOD non-meta joke! Old people least of all ...
> >their best jokes are all about CRAFT and Memory's The First To Go and
> >stuff.
>
> I beg your pardon..... Theo

I don't remember posting this. When's it from?

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I'll be interested in how the Neutersol studies turn out.
There's lots of interesting stuff coming out of the vet
schools right now.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

> PS:  Another interesting question re Neutersol was raised by somebody at
> the meeting.  Supposedly the balls of neutersoled dogs look pretty close
> to normal -- they don't need to feel self-conscious or have neuticles
> implanted.  Somebody raised the question of dog shows -- that neutered
> dogs aren't allowed in them.  (Why is that, btw?  I started to ask that
> question at the meeting, but there were too many other things to
> discuss.)  Anyway, the thought arose that somebody could lie about a
> dog's status, entering a neutersoled dog in a dog show.


        Because, historically, the purpose of a dog show is to
determine the best breeding stock within the breed.  The
theory is that a champion is among the best qualified to
perpetuate the breed.  There's no point to showing a dog
that cannot perpetuate the breed.


        Every now and then people debate the rule.  FWIW, the veteran
classes (dogs aged 7 and older) are open to spayed/neutered
animals.  Maynard competed in the Vets class at the National
when it was here in Missouri, and the previous owners had
neutered him.

        As for sneaking a Neutersoled dog in, I'm not sure it would
be a big issue.  With the new laser surgeries, you could
easily show a spayed bitch without anyone being the wiser.
Even vets can't tell from a simple exam.  You'd get in big
trouble with the AKC, but it's not like being
spayed/neutered offers any kind of competitive edge.  It's
probably the opposite.


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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02003-09-06 | Theo Groothof <Dutchessg1@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 9/6/2003 2:31:02 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
>
> > >Man, nobody makes a GOOD non-meta joke! Old people least of all ...
> >> >their best jokes are all about CRAFT and Memory's The First To Go and
> >> >stuff.
> >>
> >> I beg your pardon..... Theo
> >
> >I don't remember posting this. When's it from?
>
> I dunno, but it landed in my mailbox this morning. You ready to take it back?

What?

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In a message dated 9/6/2003 2:31:02 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

> >Man, nobody makes a GOOD non-meta joke! Old people least of all ...
>> >their best jokes are all about CRAFT and Memory's The First To Go and
>> >stuff.
>>
>> I beg your pardon..... Theo
>
>I don't remember posting this. When's it from?
>
I dunno, but it landed in my mailbox this morning. You ready to take it back?
Theo

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In a message dated 9/6/2003 4:40:29 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

>What?

Your insults about old people having no sense of humor, of course.
Good grief, I was just teasing you! Theo

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02003-09-06 | Theo Groothof <Dutchessg1@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 9/6/2003 4:40:29 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
>
> >What?
>
> Your insults about old people having no sense of humor, of course.
> Good grief, I was just teasing you! Theo

Oh. I guess I insulted someone, sometime? I remember it now.
Well I stand by it.

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02003-09-06 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > Oh. I guess I insulted someone, sometime? I remember
> > it now.
> > Well I stand by it.
>
> Sorry, you'll have to speak up.

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> Oh. I guess I insulted someone, sometime? I remember
> it now.
> Well I stand by it.

Sorry, you'll have to speak up.


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Marie:
>screwed up in my mouth: "vulvar cancer".

Assuming this affects what I think it
does, what's with the 'r'?

I mean, we got lung, prostate, brain,
stomach...  No suffixes.

Wait a sec, we also have pancreatic
and ovarian...

Is there a rule?

> Hopefully I won't have to say it too often.

Word.

> (this was a work thing, not a personal thing)

pow (word, 2);

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > It seems odd that her website wouldn't mention where she got her
> > degree and what she has done since then. It makes me somehow
> > suspicious.
>
> If she only does research, I'd agree. But for a regular, practicing
> vet, I can't see why.

I certainly wouldn't take Spencer to a vet that I knew nothing about.
If the vet is young, then I would not expect to learn much other than
where the degree is from, but for a middle-aged woman to breeze into
town and open a house-call vet practice with a website that says zero
about her background -- well, I don't know -- I do know that I would
want to know more about her before I let her mess with Spencer.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Not to overdo, but if you need color I can see the potato salad
> garnished with strips of sweet red peppers.

This potato salad is somewhat colorful anyway.  It's sort of streaked
with maroon.  I think it's going to be perfect, both in its appearance
and in its tastiness.

This afternoon vanished.  The person whose idea the lunch was and I went
shopping for the ingredients for her fruit/greenery salad and for the
salmon and for some kind of cheese that fits somewhere into the
picture.  Then we went to the liquor store, where I bought way, way more
wine than we need, but wine keeps.  Do y'all know Fat Bastard wine?  I
hadn't noticed it until today.  Bought several bottles of it because I
liked its name.  We ran into the head of MSU food services when we first
walked into the liquor store, and I said, "Hey, here's our expert.  He
can tell us the best wine to get."  He took it all quite seriously.  I
asked him what would go well with smoked salmon, and he led us across
the store and pulled out a bottle of pinot noir and said it would be
perfect.  I thanked him heartily, and then we dawdled around until he
left before putting it back on the shelf.  Actually, I wouldn't have
minded buying one or two bottles of $20 wine for the occasion,
supplementing with cheaper ones.  But Brenda said that this group did
not need $20 wine.  I do think that Mo enjoyed being asked for his
opinion, though.  He's new in the position of Top Food Dawg, his
predecessor having been fired recently for equipping his home-catering
business with MSU-bought equipment, or so the story goes.  Mo, short for
Mohammed, is a nice guy.  I need to go visit his secretary sometime soon
to talk about food for the ARF xmas banquet.

We then brought the stuff back to my house and pulled out various
serving utensils.  Then we sat on my decklet and talked for ages.  So
now today is gone.  All I've got to do tomorrow morning, though, is
clean the bathrooms, do a quick touch-up of the house-cleaning I did a
couple of days ago, cut the bread for the toast points, and a few other
odds and ends of that kind.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Because, historically, the purpose of a dog show is to
> determine the best breeding stock within the breed.  The
> theory is that a champion is among the best qualified to
> perpetuate the breed.  There's no point to showing a dog
> that cannot perpetuate the breed.

That entered my mind as the likely answer.
>
>         Every now and then people debate the rule.  FWIW, the veteran
> classes (dogs aged 7 and older) are open to spayed/neutered
> animals.  Maynard competed in the Vets class at the National
> when it was here in Missouri, and the previous owners had
> neutered him.

It makes sense to me that an older dog who had already produced
offspring should still be able to be in shows.

>         As for sneaking a Neutersoled dog in, I'm not sure it would
> be a big issue.  With the new laser surgeries, you could
> easily show a spayed bitch without anyone being the wiser.

Something about microchipping was mentioned during the discussion of
this topic -- like how microchips (or at least some of them) show
whether a dog has been spayed/neutered and that some people who try to
sneak dogs into dog shows don't have their dogs microchipped for that
reason.  Something like that.

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> We then brought the stuff back to my house and pulled out various
> serving utensils.  Then we sat on my decklet and talked for ages.  So
> now today is gone.  All I've got to do tomorrow morning, though, is
> clean the bathrooms, do a quick touch-up of the house-cleaning I did a
> couple of days ago, cut the bread for the toast points, and a few
other
> odds and ends of that kind.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Sounds to me like you're having
lots of fun.  Good.

      - D. M.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Sounds to me like you're having
> lots of fun.  Good.

I always enjoy <entertaining> once it gets initiated.  The only part I
dislike is choosing the date/time and rendering the invitations.  That's
all much easier in these e-mail days.  I do much of my inviting via
e-mail.  I did make a phone call today to remind the 94-year-old friend
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parroting what somebody had told them to say.  Needless to say, those of
us she was talking to found that hilarious and so true.  But mainly I
like that at the age of 94 she is still thinking and is annoyed by
non-thinkers.

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On Sat, 6 Sep 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I always enjoy <entertaining> once it gets initiated.  The only part I
>dislike is choosing the date/time and rendering the invitations.  That's

Rendering? Good Lord - there are so many experiences I have never had. To
the best of my knowledge, I have never <rendered> an invitation. I just
muddle along inviting people. Oh, that sounds so 20th c.! Forgive me ...

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >I always enjoy <entertaining> once it gets initiated.  The only part I
> >dislike is choosing the date/time and rendering the invitations.  That's
>
> Rendering? Good Lord - there are so many experiences I have never had. To
> the best of my knowledge, I have never <rendered> an invitation. I just
> muddle along inviting people. Oh, that sounds so 20th c.! Forgive me ...

How do you manage to invite people if you don't render invitations?

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> If the vet is young, then I would not expect to
> learn much other than
> where the degree is from, but for a middle-aged
> woman to breeze into
> town and open a house-call vet practice with a
> website that says zero
> about her background -- well, I don't know -- I do
> know that I would
> want to know more about her before I let her mess
> with Spencer.

Yes, but in the days before we could check, we would
have been none the wiser, except for word of mouth,
and this seems not to be a factor here.

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On Sat, 6 Sep 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>How do you manage to invite people if you don't render invitations?

I muddle along by inviting people using boring old methods like paper and
pen or telephones. Occasionally I have invitations <printed>. Then I mail
them.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >How do you manage to invite people if you don't render invitations?
>
> I muddle along by inviting people using boring old methods like paper and
> pen or telephones. Occasionally I have invitations <printed>. Then I mail
> them.

?? How is that not rendering invitations?  (When I have my big xmas
parties, I always render the invitations via mail -- usually
fill-in-the-blank invitations bought at Hallmark, once or twice printed
ones.)

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> Yes, but in the days before we could check, we would
> have been none the wiser, except for word of mouth,
> and this seems not to be a factor here.

But she has a website.  A website with no indication of what she has
been doing in her vet career.  I find that suspicion-evoking.

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> But she has a website.  A website with no indication
> of what she has
> been doing in her vet career.  I find that
> suspicion-evoking.


I agree.  And where Spencer does NOT go, Jaysie fears
to tread.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:


>
> Something about microchipping was mentioned during the discussion of
> this topic -- like how microchips (or at least some of them) show
> whether a dog has been spayed/neutered and that some people who try to
> sneak dogs into dog shows don't have their dogs microchipped for that
> reason.  Something like that.


        I don't think microchips record that sort of information.  In
any case, sneaking dogs into dog shows isn't an issue as far
as I know, and my experience is that nearly all show dogs
are microchipped for identification in case they get stolen
or lost.

        Dog shows work on a points system.  You earn so many
according to how many dogs you beat, etc.  If you're
sneaking a dog in, then how are the points going to be
recorded?  That just doesn't make sense.  And believe me,
the pet store dog being snuck into a dog show would be stand
out big time. The biggest problem is thieves sneaking dogs
OUT of the shows.


        Now, I haven't been to zillions of dog shows, but I've never
seen anybody, including the AKC rep, walking around with an
AVID scanner.

--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Natalie Maynor wrote:


>
> I certainly wouldn't take Spencer to a vet that I knew nothing about.
> If the vet is young, then I would not expect to learn much other than
> where the degree is from, but for a middle-aged woman to breeze into
> town and open a house-call vet practice with a website that says zero
> about her background -- well, I don't know -- I do know that I would
> want to know more about her before I let her mess with Spencer.


        When we first moved here, the greyhound folks recommended the
practice we go to.  Then when we got Maynard, we found out
that the vet we were using actually delivered him (although
Cecily has since switched practices to one closer to her
house).  Then one day we went in and we had the brand new
vet instead of the owner.  And I loooooved him.  He was so
nervous and it took him like 9 jabs to get blood to do
May-man's heartworm test, but something about him just
screamed he was going to be wonderful.  I was right.  He
really was terrific about getting me through Maynard's
cancer and euthanasia.  And let me tell you, this man
performs a spay like no other.  Every rescue girl I've
brought to him has been jumping around the next day.  I
really don't know anything about him except that he went to
Mizzou, but despite that first visit when the poor man could
hardly take a blood sample, my gut said he was our new vet.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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> Oh yes.  Definitely buffet.  My table is crowded with even eight
> people.  There's no way I could <table> fourteen.  It's going to be
> tricky for everybody to find a place to sit even this way -- as in
> enough comfortable seats with a convenient place to put a glass or
> whatever.  I fear it's going to be a bit chaotic.  But these are all
> people I know very well, and nobody is likely to mind a bit of chaos.

You could be describing SnowBash!

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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> Review:
> "[A]n electrifyingly creepy tale likely to haunt young readers for many
> moons....Gaiman twines his taught tale with a menacing tone and crisp
> prose fraught with memorable imagery...yet keeps the narrative just
> this side of terrifying...."

Make it stop.

> Review:
>  By turns <adjective> and <adjective>,

Next ...

> Review:
> "Delicate and extraordinary, it reads like Alice in Wonderland crossed
> with Stephen King..."

Alice in Wonderland is really just Harry Potter in old language.

> Review:
> "[Neil Gaiman] is, simply put, a treasure house of story, and we are
> lucky to have him in any medium."

-- Stephen King (master yarn spinner).

> Review:
> "I think this book will nudge Alice in Wonderland out of its niche at
> last. It is the most splendidly original, weird, and frightening book I
> have read, and yet full of things children will love." Diana Wynne
> Jones, author of Dark Lord of Derkholm

Buy it now.

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These kids! Sometimes you wonder, are they even people?

http://www.beloit.edu/~pubaff/releases/2003/03mindsetlist.html


"Gas has always been unleaded."

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In a message dated 9/6/2003 5:23:30 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

>Oh. I guess I insulted someone, sometime? I remember
>> > it now.
>> > Well I stand by it.
>>
>> Sorry, you'll have to speak up.
>
>ZZZZZZZZZZZ

's ok. You may apologize sitting or laying down too. I'm easy to get along
with. Theo

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In a message dated 9/6/2003 10:35:24 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

>"Delicate and extraordinary, it reads like Alice in Wonderland crossed
>> with Stephen King..."
>
Must be great reading. Stephen King, my all-time favorite. Thanks for the
recommendation. Theo

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         I don't think microchips record that sort of information.  In

I think I remember in that brief discussion that it depends on which
microchip you use.  The vet/speaker uses one kind, which I think does
include the reproductive status, while the person who has been in charge
of our (OCHS'S) low-cost microchipping clinics uses a kind that
doesn't.  Or vice versa.

> any case, sneaking dogs into dog shows isn't an issue as far
> as I know, and my experience is that nearly all show dogs
> are microchipped for identification in case they get stolen
> or lost.

Yes.  Somebody mentioned that at some point.
>
>         Dog shows work on a points system.  You earn so many
> according to how many dogs you beat, etc.  If you're
> sneaking a dog in, then how are the points going to be
> recorded?  That just doesn't make sense.  And believe me,
> the pet store dog being snuck into a dog show would be stand
> out big time. The biggest problem is thieves sneaking dogs
> OUT of the shows.

I don't see how any of the above would be affected by whether the dog's
owner was sneaking him in -- violating the rule of no neutered/spayed
dogs.

>         Now, I haven't been to zillions of dog shows, but I've never
> seen anybody, including the AKC rep, walking around with an
> AVID scanner.

That was my first thought also.  I wish I remembered more of the details
now of the microchipping/dogshow discussion at the meeting.  Having
never been into dog shows, I wasn't paying that much attention to the
details.  It was a spin-off of the question of whether neutersoled dogs
might be sneaked into dog shows.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>  I
> really don't know anything about him except that he went to
> Mizzou, but despite that first visit when the poor man could
> hardly take a blood sample, my gut said he was our new vet.

Yes, you do.  You know bunches about him.  Or at least you can
reasonably guess things.  You can be reasonably sure that the vet the
greyhound people recommended to you had chosen to hire this new one.
And you knew right away intuitively that he was going to be good.  And
now, of course, you know it more than intuitively.  I inferred from your
description that he was young when he first showed up there.  So it
would be safe to assume that he hadn't been out of school long -- that
he didn't have gaps in his background.  When a middle-aged vet showed up
one day working for my vet, I did some quick checking up on him.  Found
out that he was quite good -- that he had taught at the vet school for a
good while and was highly respected as a vet but that he had been fired
(or asked to resign or whatever) because of some kind of sex scandal
involving a student.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > whatever.  I fear it's going to be a bit chaotic.  But these are all
> > people I know very well, and nobody is likely to mind a bit of chaos.
>
> You could be describing SnowBash!

A happy thought!

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Do y'all know Fat Bastard
> wine?  I
> hadn't noticed it until today.  Bought several bottles of it
> because I
> liked its name.

I've bought it for the same reason. It tastes just fine too.

Marie

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----- Original Message -----
From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Date: Saturday, September 6, 2003 2:33 pm
Subject: Re: Some mild to the point of noexistent objections to some jazz listeners in Chicago

> On Saturday, September 06, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
> > Small places are better musical experiences anyway, which is why
> > part of me wants to keep Los Lonely Boys my own little secret.
>
> Well, if it makes you feel better, they are in teeny tiny print on the
> Austin City Limits Music Festival ad I saw last night.

Actually, I'm a little upset that they haven't gotten any print for Wednesday night's performance. Granted, they were just a 45 minute act in a Alejandro Escovedo benefit show which included the likes of Levon Helm and Ian Hunter (and Tammy Faye Starlight -- for those who have seen it), and there hasn't been much at all anywhere about any of it. But they were definitely the highlight -- and the reason we were there.

Marie

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>>These kids! Sometimes you wonder, are they even people?

Me? No, I don't.

And anyway, this list hit the streets almost a week ago ....

:)

AS

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Can anyone think of a poem in English/American about
Hiroshima?  I know I have read a bunch, but it isn't coming
to me.  Karolin is trying to find one for some school thing
she is doing.

My girls are so grown up.  Tomoko is finishing up college,
and Julie is a nurse now.

--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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ALBSW spotted this on the The Observer site and thought you should see it.

-------
Note from ALBSW:

Coming to a school near you!

AS
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To see this story with its related links on the The Observer site, go to http://www.observer.co.uk

Stressed school staff turn to drink and drugs
Mark Townsend and Vikki Miller
Saturday September 06 2003
The Guardian


Thousands of teachers are on the brink of nervous breakdowns as deepening uncertainty over the school funding crisis drives record numbers to drink and drugs.

With the new school year just starting, stress levels among teachers have risen to unprecedented levels. Half of all teachers are deemed to be anxious and depressed over workload and job fears.

So profound is concern that the Health and Safety Executive has launched a national inquiry into stress levels among teachers. It will unveil guidelines for headmasters to diagnose stressed-out staff later this year.

Early inquiries by education chiefs have revealed the widespread use of anti-depressants such as Prozac and binge drinking among staff, as witnessed in the Channel 4 comedy drama  Teachers.

A survey in Wrexham of 600 teachers found that 10 per cent were using anti-depressants. Almost a third admitted they were drinking more than they used to, with the same number admitting they dreaded going to work.

Patrick Nash, chief executive of the Teacher Support Network (TNS), the profession's national support service, estimated that up to half of the 420,000 teachers in England and Wales are at risk of a nervous breakdown.

Unruly children, tough government targets and thousands of redundancies following the funding fiasco were all contributing to increased pressures, warn experts. Surveys suggest that hundreds of teachers lost their jobs through a shortfall in funding for the latest school year.

A separate study, conducted by the TNS, revealed that more than a quarter of the calls to its 24-hour helpline were about stress.

Inquiries by  The Observer    found that drug taking and drinking among teachers is widespread. One primary school teacher from an affluent suburb of south Manchester talked of a 'drinking culture' that comes from stress. The school's deputy head downed a bottle of wine every night after work, he said.

'As the Government brings out more and more testing and regulations, teachers are feeling the pressure to rise to the new standards. More pressure often comes in the form of big drinking sessions with other teachers,' he added.

An English teacher from a rural school in southern England admitted the drink culture among teachers was so ingrained he was driven to alcoholism. 'A drink was a convenient way of finishing off the working day - a good way to wind down after a hectic day at school,' said the recovering alcoholic.

It follows a recent survey of headteachers in which 15 per cent believed they were alcoholics. Former counsellor Tom Lewis and spokesman for the TNS added: 'Indications are that this is a growing, serious problem. The fact is that 40 per cent of teachers are expected to leave teaching within five years.'

One teacher recently won more than &#163;250,000 when her local education authority failed to respond to her rising stress levels.

Copyright Guardian Newspapers Limited

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Oh, I thought you meant sneaking an unentered dog into the
> show (unentered dogs are not supposed to be on the grounds).

No, I meant officially entering a spayed/neutered dog.

Meanwhile, my house stinks of burned bread.  I had to throw away some of
the toast points because they were black.  The others are widely varying
in color -- some with just a hint of color, others quite dark.  I ended
up not putting anything on them.  The person who first suggested them
had mentioned butter or olive oil, but then yesterday she didn't
remember having said that and seemed to think that putting nothing on
them was the way to go.  I mainly hate the stink right now, though.  I'm
way away from the kitchen and am smelling it full strength even way back
here.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> Can anyone think of a poem in English/American about
> Hiroshima?

By an English or American poet?  I just googled "hiroshima poem" and
popped up this one:

http://www.hiroshima-cdas.or.jp/sokagakkai/eng/chouhen/chouhtop.html

Here's another:

http://www.about.com/arts/poetry/library/weekly/blroose.htm

Would research some more but need to go do house chores now.

> My girls are so grown up.  Tomoko is finishing up college,
> and Julie is a nurse now.

Heavens!  Tempus fugit.  What school is Tomoko going to?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 08:33 AM 9/7/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Can anyone think of a poem in English/American about
>Hiroshima?  I know I have read a bunch, but it isn't coming
>to me.  Karolin is trying to find one for some school thing
>she is doing.

Try:

http://www.antigonishreview.com/bi-106/106-rossi.html

cwv

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Natalie Maynor wrote:


>>        Dog shows work on a points system.  You earn so many
>>according to how many dogs you beat, etc.  If you're
>>sneaking a dog in, then how are the points going to be
>>recorded?  That just doesn't make sense.  And believe me,
>>the pet store dog being snuck into a dog show would be stand
>>out big time. The biggest problem is thieves sneaking dogs
>>OUT of the shows.
>>
>
> I don't see how any of the above would be affected by whether the dog's
> owner was sneaking him in -- violating the rule of no neutered/spayed
> dogs.


        Oh, I thought you meant sneaking an unentered dog into the
show (unentered dogs are not supposed to be on the grounds).
  Entering a neutered/spayed dog is pretty blatant.  The way
the gossip mills work, I can only imagine the unstable
trying to do it (then complaining of a conspiracy when it
was discovered).  In any case, I don't think it will be an
issue.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Coming?  I wasn't hired two hours before somebody told me
the bar a bunch of the teachers go to after school.  LOL.




Amy Burns Short wrote:


> -------
> Note from ALBSW:
>
> Coming to a school near you!
>
> AS
> -------
>
> To see this story with its related links on the The Observer site, go to http://www.observer.co.uk
>
> Stressed school staff turn to drink and drugs
> Mark Townsend and Vikki Miller
> Saturday September 06 2003
> The Guardian
>
>
> Thousands of teachers are on the brink of nervous breakdowns as deepening uncertainty over the school funding crisis drives record numbers to drink and drugs.
>
> With the new school year just starting, stress levels among teachers have risen to unprecedented levels. Half of all teachers are deemed to be anxious and depressed over workload and job fears.
>
> So profound is concern that the Health and Safety Executive has launched a national inquiry into stress levels among teachers. It will unveil guidelines for headmasters to diagnose stressed-out staff later this year.
>
> Early inquiries by education chiefs have revealed the widespread use of anti-depressants such as Prozac and binge drinking among staff, as witnessed in the Channel 4 comedy drama  Teachers.
>
> A survey in Wrexham of 600 teachers found that 10 per cent were using anti-depressants. Almost a third admitted they were drinking more than they used to, with the same number admitting they dreaded going to work.
>
> Patrick Nash, chief executive of the Teacher Support Network (TNS), the profession's national support service, estimated that up to half of the 420,000 teachers in England and Wales are at risk of a nervous breakdown.
>
> Unruly children, tough government targets and thousands of redundancies following the funding fiasco were all contributing to increased pressures, warn experts. Surveys suggest that hundreds of teachers lost their jobs through a shortfall in funding for the latest school year.
>
> A separate study, conducted by the TNS, revealed that more than a quarter of the calls to its 24-hour helpline were about stress.
>
> Inquiries by  The Observer    found that drug taking and drinking among teachers is widespread. One primary school teacher from an affluent suburb of south Manchester talked of a 'drinking culture' that comes from stress. The school's deputy head downed a bottle of wine every night after work, he said.
>
> 'As the Government brings out more and more testing and regulations, teachers are feeling the pressure to rise to the new standards. More pressure often comes in the form of big drinking sessions with other teachers,' he added.
>
> An English teacher from a rural school in southern England admitted the drink culture among teachers was so ingrained he was driven to alcoholism. 'A drink was a convenient way of finishing off the working day - a good way to wind down after a hectic day at school,' said the recovering alcoholic.
>
> It follows a recent survey of headteachers in which 15 per cent believed they were alcoholics. Former counsellor Tom Lewis and spokesman for the TNS added: 'Indications are that this is a growing, serious problem. The fact is that 40 per cent of teachers are expected to leave teaching within five years.'
>
> One teacher recently won more than &#163;250,000 when her local education authority failed to respond to her rising stress levels.
>
> Copyright Guardian Newspapers Limited
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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>Coming?  I wasn't hired two hours before somebody told me the bar a bunch
of the teachers go to after school.  LOL.

 "Coming" was facetious, of course.

When I was living in St. Thomas -- a number of years before I ever even
thought about teaching school there or anywhere -- I used to bartend
sometimes (day shift, 9-4) at a hangout most heavily frequented by teachers,
school counselors and other government workers. Many of the teachers would
stop by on their planning periods even, then would come back when school was
out ....

I'll never forget the Christmas party held at one elementary school where I
taught there (I believe this was in '91) where the principal pulled a bottle
of Cruzan out of her desk and started mixing herself a drink.

I love the lack of pretense there.

AS

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>She said that she had given up on talking to her Republican
>friends because they refused to think -- that they seemed to be
>parroting what somebody had told them to say.  Needless to say, those of
>us she was talking to found that hilarious and so true.  But mainly I
>like that at the age of 94 she is still thinking and is annoyed by
>non-thinkers.       -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

May we all live to be such feisty 94-year-olds.   However, I was thinking
about this very thing the other day.  How does one manage to have friends
who think differently than oneself when it is so annoying to spend time
with non-thinkers?  I guess one looks for the other good things in a person
and always is careful of the topics of conversation.  But that seems so sad.


bonnie

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bonniev wrote:

> May we all live to be such feisty 94-year-olds.   However, I was thinking
> about this very thing the other day.  How does one manage to have friends
> who think differently than oneself when it is so annoying to spend time
> with non-thinkers?

But you're lumping together two different things there.  What she said
that she found frustrating was the apparent non-thinking of these people
-- their parroting of lines without the ability to discuss the ideas or
without knowledge of the facts involved.  That's not the same as simply
having different ideas, reaching different conclusions.

> I guess one looks for the other good things in a person
> and always is careful of the topics of conversation.  But that seems so sad.

I find it unpleasant to have to be careful of the topics of
conversation.  I don't think of friendship as including that (except, of
course, for certain odd situations, like a friend who has lost a child
to leukemia and does not want the topic brought up).  As for general
topics, I enjoy discussions with people of different views as long as
thought is involved.

The 94-yr-old lives an extremely full life, with all kinds of networks
of friends and acquaintances.  The non-thinkers may be in one of her
networks where she does just live with the non-thinking and, as you say,
finds other good things in the people.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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02003-09-07 | Theo Groothof <Dutchessg1@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 9/6/2003 10:35:24 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
>
> >"Delicate and extraordinary, it reads like Alice in Wonderland crossed
> >> with Stephen King..."
>
> Must be great reading. Stephen King, my all-time favorite. Thanks for the
> recommendation. Theo

Well it's more like diluted Stephen King, but I guess you can see that.

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02003-09-07 | Amy Burns Short <amyb_short@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >>These kids! Sometimes you wonder, are they even people?
>
> Me? No, I don't.

I was being facetious, of course.

> And anyway, this list hit the streets almost a week ago ....

Perzackly

> :)
>
> AS

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On Sat, 6 Sep 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> I muddle along by inviting people using boring old methods like paper and
>> pen or telephones. Occasionally I have invitations <printed>. Then I mail
>> them.
>
>?? How is that not rendering invitations?  (When I have my big xmas

I have known people to <render> FAT - but I usually <extend> invitations.
But I am behind the times, I know. What do others do?

Bethany

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>> >>These kids! Sometimes you wonder, are they even people?
>
>> Me? No, I don't.

>I was being facetious, of course.

>> And anyway, this list hit the streets almost a week ago ....

>Perzackly

I love the lack of pretense there.

AS

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02003-09-07 | Amy Burns Short <amyb_short@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >> >>These kids! Sometimes you wonder, are they even people?
> >
> >> Me? No, I don't.
>
> >I was being facetious, of course.
>
> >> And anyway, this list hit the streets almost a week ago ....
>
> >Perzackly
>
> I love the lack of pretense there.

Well, Mars is receding I hear

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with elvis and shelley fabares, airing on Flix this afternoon.

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Sheesh, no poet worth his salt is going to be obvious about it, but here's
one by Kenneth Rexroth:

In the month of great heat
The first bell cricket cries,
"It is time to leave."

>From: "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@GWI.NET>
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>
>At 08:33 AM 9/7/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>Can anyone think of a poem in English/American about
>>Hiroshima?  I know I have read a bunch, but it isn't coming
>>to me.  Karolin is trying to find one for some school thing
>>she is doing.
>
>Try:
>
>http://www.antigonishreview.com/bi-106/106-rossi.html
>
>cwv

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Oh, wow, I just got a bunch of email that I thought got
lost.  In any case, my kids use "random" all the time.

Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> I have just spoken with Ken Ringle of the Washington Post. he is
> interested in slang use of the word "random" as in "That certainly was
> a random outfit."
>
> Apparently teenagers in some areas (CA?) have been using the term as a
> more-or-less value-neutral term for about 6 years. If you can provide
> data or other information about this usage, please let me know.
>
> Thanks,
> Bethany
>
>


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On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Oh, wow, I just got a bunch of email that I thought got
> lost.  In any case, my kids use "random" all the time.

In a value-neutral way?

Karen

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On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> I have known people to <render> FAT - but I usually <extend> invitations.
> But I am behind the times, I know. What do others do?

I would just invite people.  But a Google search on "render an invitation"
gets one relevant hit, while a search on "tender an invitation" gets at
least 3, probably more among the false hits.

Ann

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The time has come to define the word "value-random".

I'd like to start by asking, is "bless your heart" value-random?

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On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> I'd like to start by asking, is "bless your heart" value-random?

No. Talk to Molly Ivins about it.

Karen

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On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> The time has come to define the word "value-random".
>
> I'd like to start by asking, is "bless your heart" value-random?

Please, could we start another way?

Like, could you remind us -why- the time has come to define the phrase
'value-random"?

Ann

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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Oh, wow, I just got a bunch of email that I thought got
>>lost.  In any case, my kids use "random" all the time.
>>
>
> In a value-neutral way?


        It can be very slightly negative or very slightly
positive.... it hovers around neutral.  Somebody might say
"So-and-so is so random."  Used that way, it is neutral.
It's a descriptor like hair or eye color.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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I can't get to Google...

Karen

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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OK, somebody in the generation next down from mine
has rendered an invitation to a marriage celebration and house warming,
and the invitation says, none too politely, to wear a Hawaiian shirt.

Nothing I know about this person, a daughter of a friend of mine, is
helpful in figuring out WHY we are getting an invitation telling us to
wear a Hawaiian shirt.  In fact it has occurred to me that she has
conceived a dislike for us and ONLY OUR invitation says to wear such a
shirt.

Here are other possibilities:

1.  She is marrying another complete idiot and asshole (after 20 years of
marriage to the first one). and/or
2.  They have thought about each of their sets of friends and just can't
stand however they imagine we would all come dressed like if they didn't
stipulate what to wear.  and/or
3.  It's a joke - but not a joke ON any of us, a joke FOR us, to be
understood when we get to the party and find the best damned Hawaiian band
or Elvis personator in the business. and/or
4.  OH my god.  I just figured it out.  I've heard they're roasting a
goddamned pig but I put it out of my mind.  They're having a luau!  Oh
jeez.

I've never been to a luau and I don't think I want to go to a pretend one.

On the other hand, I like what I just bought today instead of a Hawaiian
shirt - in Sausalito I spent 16 dollars and got quite a nice Chinese
print, kind of a longish shirt-jacket - not TOO ill-fitting and definitely
more colorful and interesting than whatever I would've worn if I hadn't
been told to go Hawaiian.

I'm told another friend, my generation, will be providing the music.  He
plays jazz clarinet and usually brings along some other friend but I
forget what the some other friend usually plays.  So how luau-y can it
get.

Ann

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02003-09-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>        It can be very slightly negative or very slightly
> positive.... it hovers around neutral.  Somebody might say
> "So-and-so is so random."  Used that way, it is neutral.
> It's a descriptor like hair or eye color.

Really? The kids in their 20s that I know--well they are abnormal,
but--use "random" as some kind of badge of honor ... Like, that's
how they set themselves apart from the "mundane"s.

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On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> OK, somebody in the generation next down from mine
> has rendered an invitation to a marriage celebration and house warming,
> and the invitation says, none too politely, to wear a Hawaiian shirt.

What does 'none too politely' MEAN???

> In fact it has occurred to me that she has conceived a dislike for
> us and ONLY OUR invitation says to wear such a shirt.

LOL. If I ever send you a wedding invitation, I will do this. Except
worse.

> 4.  OH my god.  I just figured it out.  I've heard they're roasting a
> goddamned pig but I put it out of my mind.  They're having a luau!  Oh
> jeez.

> I've never been to a luau and I don't think I want to go to a pretend one.

I'd go for the pig. Roast pig is good.

> On the other hand, I like what I just bought today instead of a Hawaiian
> shirt - in Sausalito I spent 16 dollars and got quite a nice Chinese
> print, kind of a longish shirt-jacket - not TOO ill-fitting and definitely
> more colorful and interesting than whatever I would've worn if I hadn't
> been told to go Hawaiian.

Women don't wear Hawaiian shirts, anyway. It's a guy thing.

> I'm told another friend, my generation, will be providing the music.  He
> plays jazz clarinet and usually brings along some other friend but I
> forget what the some other friend usually plays.  So how luau-y can it
> get.

Maybe they are going to fake playing ukelele? Tiny bubbles...

Karen

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Send a $35 gift coupon ...

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On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-09-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >        It can be very slightly negative or very slightly
> > positive.... it hovers around neutral.  Somebody might say
> > "So-and-so is so random."  Used that way, it is neutral.
> > It's a descriptor like hair or eye color.
> Really? The kids in their 20s that I know--well they are abnormal,
> but--use "random" as some kind of badge of honor ... Like, that's
> how they set themselves apart from the "mundane"s.

Here's an article from yesterday.  If somebody has posted it here before
me, I'm sorry for cluttering.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33337-2003Sep5.html

Ann

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On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > OK, somebody in the generation next down from mine
> > has rendered an invitation to a marriage celebration and house warming,
> > and the invitation says, none too politely, to wear a Hawaiian shirt.
>
> What does 'none too politely' MEAN???

It means rude but rude from a prissy stuffed-shirt (shirt!  ha ha ha)
point of view

Ann

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On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> Send a $35 gift coupon ...

Right, from Walmart!

Ann

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02003-09-07 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> Please, could we start another way?
>
> Like, could you remind us -why- the time has come to define the phrase
> 'value-random"?

Because the smugly assumptive sound of "value-neutral" is
PISSING PEOPLE OFF.

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On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> 02003-09-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>> >        It can be very slightly negative or very slightly
>> > positive.... it hovers around neutral.  Somebody might say
>> > "So-and-so is so random."  Used that way, it is neutral.
>> > It's a descriptor like hair or eye color.
>> Really? The kids in their 20s that I know--well they are abnormal,
>> but--use "random" as some kind of badge of honor ... Like, that's
>> how they set themselves apart from the "mundane"s.

> Here's an article from yesterday.  If somebody has posted it here before
> me, I'm sorry for cluttering.

> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33337-2003Sep5.html

This is the article the guy was doing research for--thanks for posting
the link.

Karen

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02003-09-07 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > Send a $35 gift coupon ...
>
> Right, from Walmart!

That's pretty deeep ... it says "there you go, two hawaiian shirts"

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02003-09-07 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> 02003-09-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >> >        It can be very slightly negative or very slightly
> >> > positive.... it hovers around neutral.  Somebody might say
> >> > "So-and-so is so random."  Used that way, it is neutral.
> >> > It's a descriptor like hair or eye color.
> >> Really? The kids in their 20s that I know--well they are abnormal,
> >> but--use "random" as some kind of badge of honor ... Like, that's
> >> how they set themselves apart from the "mundane"s.
>
> > Here's an article from yesterday.  If somebody has posted it here before
> > me, I'm sorry for cluttering.
>
> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33337-2003Sep5.html
>
> This is the article the guy was doing research for--thanks for posting
> the link.

Could you post the user name and password for this?

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On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Could you post the user name and password for this?
>
> I didn't need one; just had to fill out a survey.

I didn't need to even fill out a survey, sorry - I would have cut and
pasted if I thought  . . . hey, I'll cut and paste, just a minute:

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For the Young, The World's Not Cool, Neat, Or Whatever

By Ken Ringle
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, September 6, 2003; Page C01


We have seen the future and it is random.

We used to think it was whatever, but somewhere between the Y2K crisis,
which never arrived, and the 9/11 one, which did, our lives went from
whatever to random.


As usual, realization of this surfaced first among social critics recently
liberated from the psychic carapace of middle school:

"Did you see that outfit she was wearing? That was so random!"

"Who invited those random kids to this party?"

"I never watch the news on TV. It's too, like, random."

Indeed it is. As are the data blizzards that assault us daily, the crimes
that stalk our neighborhoods, the technologies that provide us solutions
to problems we don't have, and the autistic spasms of our educational
system. We're talking cultural fragmentation here.

It is not entirely clear just when our children became so overwhelmed by
the randomness of the stimuli assaulting them that they selected "random"
as their adjective of choice. Patrick Welsh, who teaches English to
seniors at T.C. Williams High School in Alexandria, says "random" appeared
atop the teen lexicon there about three years ago. That time frame mirrors
its reported employment at other schools in the Washington area. Its use
is now so widespread, Welsh says, that "I started a campaign against it.
The kids will say, 'That was so random!' where we adults might say, 'That
was serendipitous.' "

But he concedes that while "serendipitous" means finding something good in
a chance or associated event, "random" is value-neutral.

"It's actually rather specific the way students use it," he says. "They
throw it around a great deal, but it doesn't seem to have gotten watered
down" in meaning the way slang terms like "funky," "cool" and "groovy"
have in the past.

It would seem there's a reason for this: "The brightest of the bright kids
are the ones who tend to use it," Welsh says.

Just how widespread such a usage is outside the Washington area is
difficult to say. A California linguistics scholar named Tom Dalzell
reports four citations for "random" so far in the database for the New
Partridge Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English scheduled for
publication in 2005. The earliest dates from a college undergraduate slang
study conducted at Brown University in 1968, another year of extremely
random events. Other citations document the word's usage at the University
of North Carolina in 1982, on college campuses generally in 1993 and in
the very California 1995 movie "Clueless." ( "She met some random guys at
the Foot Locker and escorted them right over there.") Some scholars,
reached via a linguistics e-mail network, report the usage was old hat in
Chicago by 1995, but it is still hot among eighth-graders outside Seattle.

American popular culture is one whose very patternlessness is its only
pattern. "Reality" shows? Trash sports? Sensitivity police? Is there any
wonder we have an art enclave in Florida known as the Randomists?

Think politically. What could be more random than the California
gubernatorial contest -- 135 extremely random candidates competing in a
recall election that is itself emblematic of an almost totally unhinged
electoral structure: In random we trust.

Think militarily. Once war was a question of invasions, battles and
contending states. Now random violence after the war in Iraq has cost us
more American lives than full-scale battles did during it. Terrorism is
random violence by definition, whether in the Middle East or via sniper in
West Virginia or the Washington suburbs.

Marshall Crook of Alexandria, a junior at the College of William & Mary,
describes the slang use of "random" among his friends as "an expression of
the confusion of surprise." Or vice versa. It also, he says, describes the
sudden appearance of something in an unfamiliar context, or perhaps no
context at all.

That concept is reinforced by random's use -- documented on the Internet
by the online Surrealist Teen Lingo Dictionary -- as an exclamation of
surprise: "Hey, random!"

God knows we have had enough surprises and unusual contexts in recent
years, ranging (randomly) from the world of Steve Spurrier to that of
Osama bin Laden. It's no wonder we needed to find a term for all that. But
consider the term we've chosen.

Random is the flip side of that favorite slang term of post-World War II
adolescent Americans: "neat." "Neat" was the achievement (or at least
appearance) of order and symmetry in one's personal life equivalent to the
butch haircuts, trimmed lawns and squared corners evanescent in 1950s
public life. No loose ends left dangling. A well-tuned 1955 Chevrolet was
"neat" in part because nothing about it had been left to chance.

"Random," on the other hand, recognizes that chance is the only mechanic
doing tuneups these days -- on Chevys or anything else. It's a term more
observational than disapproving. In fact, unlike the dismissive
"whatever," which appears to accept chaos as the norm, "random" suggests
that whoever employs the term in its 2003 slang usage has some awareness,
however dim, of a "neat," non-random, world existing sometime, somewhere
-- maybe in the distant past, perhaps in another dimension.

Maybe that was when we taught our history in the form of narrative rather
than an assemblage of social trends and statistics. Maybe that was when
our popular music had melody as well as rhythm. Maybe that was when we
ordered society by manners and the world by power. It wasn't always
laudable, but at least we understood the context.

How random was that?


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>I'm told another friend, my generation, will be providing the music.  He
>plays jazz clarinet and usually brings along some other friend but I
>forget what the some other friend usually plays.  So how luau-y can it
>get.

>Ann

Just keep your coconuts crossed!

John and I were discussing plans our own wedding attire only last night, and
we were gagging at this very genre of <festivity>.

We've decided.

Date, venue, attire and honeymoon are now set.

AS

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Someone posted this on a local woman's group last week.

http://www.sitepoint.com/newsletter/viewissue.php?id=2&issue=258#4


Karen

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> Buy it now.

Which one, or all of them?


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In a message dated 9/7/2003 2:22:49 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

>> > Send a $35 gift coupon ...
>>
>> Right, from Walmart!
>
>That's pretty deeep ... it says "there you go, two hawaiian shirts

Better yet: Buy 2 get one free! Theo

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On 7 Sep 2003 at 15:11, Karen Kay wrote:

> I'd go for the pig. Roast pig is good.

Yes, indeed. But I don't much like poi, nor laulau.


> Women don't wear Hawaiian shirts, anyway. It's a guy thing.

Sounds like you need to come take the refresher course.

In these parts, one doesn't often refer to "Hawaiian shirts," though. The
preferred term is "aloha shirts." It isn't unusual to have rendered unto oneself
an invitation specifying aloha attire.

In any case, I think Borkin should go them one better: Wear a sarong.

Now I have to go decide which shirt to wear when I go listen to Midori play the
Brahms violin concerto this afternoon.

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On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-09-07 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>> > On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> >> 02003-09-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>> >> >        It can be very slightly negative or very slightly
>> >> > positive.... it hovers around neutral.  Somebody might say
>> >> > "So-and-so is so random."  Used that way, it is neutral.
>> >> > It's a descriptor like hair or eye color.
>> >> Really? The kids in their 20s that I know--well they are abnormal,
>> >> but--use "random" as some kind of badge of honor ... Like, that's
>> >> how they set themselves apart from the "mundane"s.
>>
>> > Here's an article from yesterday.  If somebody has posted it here before
>> > me, I'm sorry for cluttering.
>>
>> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33337-2003Sep5.html
>>
>> This is the article the guy was doing research for--thanks for posting
>> the link.

> Could you post the user name and password for this?

I didn't need one; just had to fill out a survey.

Karen

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On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> Someone posted this on a local woman's group last week.

> http://www.sitepoint.com/newsletter/viewissue.php?id=2&issue=258#4


> Karen

As if.

Karen

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 15:53:01 -0500
From: Karen Kay <Karen@WordWrite.com>
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On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
> On 7 Sep 2003 at 15:11, Karen Kay wrote:
>> I'd go for the pig. Roast pig is good.

> Yes, indeed. But I don't much like poi, nor laulau.

I like Very Small Amounts of Very Fresh poi. And I do like laulau.

>> Women don't wear Hawaiian shirts, anyway. It's a guy thing.

> Sounds like you need to come take the refresher course.

That *really* surprises me. When I lose my house, I'll fly to Honolulu
and sleep on the beach at Ka'a'awa and eat the tourist's trash.

> In these parts, one doesn't often refer to "Hawaiian shirts," though. The
> preferred term is "aloha shirts." It isn't unusual to have rendered unto oneself
> an invitation specifying aloha attire.

Indeed.

> In any case, I think Borkin should go them one better: Wear a sarong.

LOL--now there's an image.

> Now I have to go decide which shirt to wear when I go listen to Midori play the
> Brahms violin concerto this afternoon.

Lovely.

Karen

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On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>
> > In any case, I think Borkin should go them one better: Wear a sarong.
>
> LOL--now there's an image.

I think I take exception to your -tone- here, K@r3N, which I don't feel is
quite value-neutral.

Ann

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At 10:47 AM 9/7/2003 -1000, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:

>Now I have to go decide which shirt to wear when I go listen to Midori
>play the
>Brahms violin concerto this afternoon.

I seldom envy anyone on this list; I envy you.

cwv

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02003-09-07 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-09-07 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> >> > On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> >> 02003-09-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >> >> >        It can be very slightly negative or very slightly
> >> >> > positive.... it hovers around neutral.  Somebody might say
> >> >> > "So-and-so is so random."  Used that way, it is neutral.
> >> >> > It's a descriptor like hair or eye color.
> >> >> Really? The kids in their 20s that I know--well they are abnormal,
> >> >> but--use "random" as some kind of badge of honor ... Like, that's
> >> >> how they set themselves apart from the "mundane"s.
> >>
> >> > Here's an article from yesterday.  If somebody has posted it here before
> >> > me, I'm sorry for cluttering.
> >>
> >> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33337-2003Sep5.html
> >>
> >> This is the article the guy was doing research for--thanks for posting
> >> the link.
>
> > Could you post the user name and password for this?
>
> I didn't need one; just had to fill out a survey.

Many thanks.

I find this paragraph unnecessarily assholistic:

>> Maybe that was when we taught our history in the form of narrative
>> rather than an assemblage of social trends and statistics. Maybe
>> that was when our popular music had melody as well as rhythm. Maybe
>> that was when we ordered society by manners and the world by power.
>> It wasn't always laudable, but at least we understood the context.

Mark the villainy of "it wasn't always laudable".

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> On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > > Could you post the user name and password for this?
> >
> > I didn't need one; just had to fill out a survey.
>
> I didn't need to even fill out a survey, sorry - I would have cut and
> pasted if I thought  . . . hey, I'll cut and paste, just a minute:

I didn't have to do anything.  Just walked right in.

           - D. M.

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> John and I were discussing plans our own wedding attire only last
night, and
> we were gagging at this very genre of <festivity>.
>
> We've decided.
>
> Date, venue, attire and honeymoon are now set.
>
> AS

Let's see,

Cowboy?
Mexican?
West Indian?
Islander?
Jeans?
Bathing suits?
????

           - D. M.

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On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>> > In any case, I think Borkin should go them one better: Wear a sarong.
>>
>> LOL--now there's an image.

> I think I take exception to your -tone- here, K@r3N, which I don't feel is
> quite value-neutral.

My Dearest Ann, I value you highly. I could never be value-neutral
about you!

Karen

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On 7 Sep 2003 at 15:53, Karen Kay wrote:

> LOL--now there's an image.

Perhaps a mu'umu'u or even a holoku is closer to the image she would prefer
to project, but I still vote for the sarong.

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> I have known people to <render> FAT - but I usually
> <extend> invitations.
> But I am behind the times, I know. What do others
> do?


At times, tender.

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I think a musk-melon-green tux is the uniform of the day.


>From: "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@FLEX.COM>
>Now I have to go decide which shirt to wear when I go listen to Midori play
>the
>Brahms violin concerto this afternoon.

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On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
> On 7 Sep 2003 at 15:53, Karen Kay wrote:

>> LOL--now there's an image.

> Perhaps a mu'umu'u or even a holoku is closer to the image she would prefer
> to project, but I still vote for the sarong.

Definitely holoku.

Karen

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On 7 Sep 2003 at 17:00, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

> I seldom envy anyone on this list; I envy you.

Well, I have an extra ticket, but I guess it's a little late now.

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02003-09-07 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > Buy it now.
>
> Which one, or all of them?

Yes!

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>
> I've never been to a luau and I don't think I want to go to a pretend
one.

Actually a pretend one will probably be
better, if they are doing it themselves . .
less poi and less lomi lomi and more
roast pork or teriyaki chicken and pineapple.
>
> On the other hand, I like what I just bought today instead of a
Hawaiian
> shirt - in Sausalito I spent 16 dollars and got quite a nice Chinese
> print, kind of a longish shirt-jacket - not TOO ill-fitting and
definitely
> more colorful and interesting than whatever I would've worn if I
hadn't
> been told to go Hawaiian.

> Ann

Wear that! it would be very Hawaiian.
Hawaiian-Chinese.  Gorgeous!

                 - D. M.

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On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> Actually a pretend one will probably be
> better, if they are doing it themselves . .
> less poi and less lomi lomi and more
> roast pork or teriyaki chicken and pineapple.

I loathe teriyaki anything.

Karen

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> Here's an article from yesterday.  If somebody has posted it here
before
> me, I'm sorry for cluttering.
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33337-2003Sep5.html
>
> Ann

This is interesting, but I am really struggling to
understand the concept.  I kinda do and kinda don't.

              - D. M.

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Thank you, Dr Borkin.

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> On 7 Sep 2003 at 15:11, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > I'd go for the pig. Roast pig is good.
>
> Yes, indeed. But I don't much like poi, nor laulau.
>
>
> > Women don't wear Hawaiian shirts, anyway. It's a guy thing.
>
> Sounds like you need to come take the refresher course.
>
> In these parts, one doesn't often refer to "Hawaiian shirts," though.
The
> preferred term is "aloha shirts." It isn't unusual to have rendered
unto oneself
> an invitation specifying aloha attire.
>
> In any case, I think Borkin should go them one better: Wear a sarong.
>
> Now I have to go decide which shirt to wear when I go listen to Midori
play the
> Brahms violin concerto this afternoon.

You really know how to hurt a guy, don't you?
I'm so gelous.

          Mahalo,

              - D. M.

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On 7 Sep 2003 at 16:30, Doris Markland wrote:

> Let's see,
>

You missed matching jumpers.

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> On 7 Sep 2003 at 16:30, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > Let's see,
> >
>
> You missed matching jumpers.

Too sexy.
Wouldn't be prudent.

      - D. M.

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>
> > Let's see,
> >
>
> You missed matching jumpers.

>Too sexy.
>Wouldn't be prudent.


 >     - D. M.

Right you are, madam.

And anyway -- its work is done.

:).

AS

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> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33337-2003Sep5.html

So did he get it right?

Bethany

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On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:

> Perhaps a mu'umu'u or even a holoku is closer to the image she would prefer
> to project, but I still vote for the sarong.

What's a holoku, kind of like chador?

No, you got me right, I'm a sarong girl at heart, don't tell the
missionaries.

Ann

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On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> Definitely holoku.

Get Outta Here!

http://www.holleygene.com/hawaii/frntview.htm

NO WAY.

Ann

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While shopping for the upcoming Montana trip, I was looking for canned meat
to add to the canned stew. I couldn't find what I was looking for but they
did have Libby's Potted Meat Food Product so I checked out the ingedients:

Mechanically seperated chicken
Partially defatted cooked pork
Fatty tissue beef tripe
Partially defatted cooked beef fatty tissue
Vinegar, salt, spices, sugar, flavorings (and various chemicals)

I didn't buy any

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On 7 Sep 2003 at 16:03, Ann Borkin wrote:

> No, you got me right, I'm a sarong girl at heart, don't tell the
> missionaries.

Well, you are in my fantasies at least. Buy two; they're cheap.

http://www.hilohattie.com/items.cfm?catid=18&objectgroup_id=497

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On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Larry Clark wrote:

>Mechanically seperated chicken
>Partially defatted cooked pork
>Fatty tissue beef tripe
>Partially defatted cooked beef fatty tissue
>Vinegar, salt, spices, sugar, flavorings (and various chemicals)

Nothing rendered?

Bethany

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On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
> On 7 Sep 2003 at 16:03, Ann Borkin wrote:

>> No, you got me right, I'm a sarong girl at heart, don't tell the
>> missionaries.

> Well, you are in my fantasies at least. Buy two; they're cheap.

> http://www.hilohattie.com/items.cfm?catid=18&objectgroup_id=497

So 'long sarong' is the same as pareau?

I always thought sarongs were the short ones.

Karen

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On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> Definitely holoku.

> Get Outta Here!

> http://www.holleygene.com/hawaii/frntview.htm

> NO WAY.

No, they don't look like that.

http://hawaiiantrading.com/herb-kane/pages/hula-holoku.html

They are fitted.

Karen

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Here's an explanation: http://www.punawelewele.com/halepai/kepakemapa/kepakemapa6a.htm

Karen

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On 7 Sep 2003 at 19:01, Karen Kay wrote:

> So 'long sarong' is the same as pareau?

Thank you. I've been grasping for that word for hours now.

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The lunch went fine.  The menu was perfect, and things were only minorly
chaotic.  If you want to see a 94-yr-old merrily partying, she's the one
in the yellow and white in these pictures:

http://maynor.net/Temp/Luncheon/

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02003-09-07 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Larry Clark wrote:
>
> >Mechanically seperated chicken
> >Partially defatted cooked pork
> >Fatty tissue beef tripe
> >Partially defatted cooked beef fatty tissue
> >Vinegar, salt, spices, sugar, flavorings (and various chemicals)
>
> Nothing rendered?

Nothing bought.

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Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

>>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33337-2003Sep5.html
>>
>
> So did he get it right?


        The usage, yep.  The social commentary I would quibble with.




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On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> Here's an explanation: http://www.punawelewele.com/halepai/kepakemapa/kepakemapa6a.htm

"The native women admired the missionary clothes which was reminiscent of
New England fashions of the early 1820s."

Jeez this article makes it sound like they weren't forced to wear European
dress.

Well what do I know - I thought the missionaries made them wear these
clothes, at least when in the presence of missionaries.  But maybe indeed
the native women thought hey I'd look pretty good in that too?

Ann

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At 07:28 PM 09/07/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

>
>Nothing rendered?
>

Nothing gained?

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Is it ok to freeze smoked salmon?  I had bought fifteen chunks of it for
the fifteen people -- those separately packaged chunks in grocery stores
-- I've forgotten the brand name on them, and those packages are outside
in nasty garbage now.  But apparently some people took just half
chunks.  I'm left with four or five chunks.  Just ate one of the
leftover chunks but still have several.  They would make great meals
later, but I don't know that I want to eat salmon every night for the
next several nights.  Or does smoked salmon keep just sitting in the
refrigerator for ages and ages?  The packages all had mid-October
expiration dates, so I bet that's true.  They sat out at room
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On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
> On 7 Sep 2003 at 19:01, Karen Kay wrote:
>> So 'long sarong' is the same as pareau?

> Thank you. I've been grasping for that word for hours now.

Well, I used to wear them, when I was young. I suspect you didn't.

Karen

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On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> The lunch went fine.

YaY!

Karen

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Thank you, Marty!  Yes, the problem is the good poems are
subtle, and I don't have time to re-read all my poetry
books/journals looking.  I did find one by Mary Jo Salter
tht is good.

Marty Rosen wrote:

> Sheesh, no poet worth his salt is going to be obvious about it, but here's
> one by Kenneth Rexroth:
>
> In the month of great heat
> The first bell cricket cries,
> "It is time to leave."
>
>> From: "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@GWI.NET>
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>> To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>> At 08:33 AM 9/7/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>> Can anyone think of a poem in English/American about
>>> Hiroshima?  I know I have read a bunch, but it isn't coming
>>> to me.  Karolin is trying to find one for some school thing
>>> she is doing.
>>
>>
>> Try:
>>
>> http://www.antigonishreview.com/bi-106/106-rossi.html
>>
>> cwv
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On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Is it ok to freeze smoked salmon?

No. See http://www.stoningtonseafood.com/aboutus_faqs.htm

> They would make great meals
> later, but I don't know that I want to eat salmon every night for the
> next several nights.

Make scrambled eggs with smoked salmon for breakfast.

> Or does smoked salmon keep just sitting in the
> refrigerator for ages and ages?

No.

> They sat out at room
> temperature for several hours today.  Does that matter?

Yes. I give it 2-3 days.

Karen

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>The lunch went fine.  The menu was perfect, and things were only minorly
>chaotic.  If you want to see a 94-yr-old merrily partying, she's the one
>in the yellow and white in these pictures:
>
>http://maynor.net/Temp/Luncheon/
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Looks wonderful.  What an incredibly straight back your 94-year-old friend
has.  I wonder if she takes Fosomax.


bonnie

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> Jeez this article makes it sound like they weren't
> forced to wear European
> dress.
>
> Well what do I know - I thought the missionaries
> made them wear these
> clothes, at least when in the presence of
> missionaries.  But maybe indeed
> the native women thought hey I'd look pretty good in
> that too?

How would missionaries force the native women to wear
European attire against their will?

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On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> She is an incredible person.  I don't know whether she takes Fosomax.  I
> should ask her that sometime.  But my gosh -- she was at osteoporosis
> age FORTY years ago.

What is osteoporosis age? That's a new term for me.

Karen

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On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> Well what do I know - I thought the missionaries made them wear these
> clothes, at least when in the presence of missionaries.  But maybe indeed
> the native women thought hey I'd look pretty good in that too?

There has to be a reason people still wear them.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > Is it ok to freeze smoked salmon?
>
> No. See http://www.stoningtonseafood.com/aboutus_faqs.htm

Thank you.  I don't need to chase the url.  I trust your reading of it.
(I did wonder for a minute what smoked salmon had to do with one's
sexual preferences.  Then I realized that it said aboutus_faqs, not
aboutus_fags.)

> Make scrambled eggs with smoked salmon for breakfast.

Yuk!  Sorry -- I remember now that one should not say yuk about food.
But it's just that I can't imagine adulterating eggs with salmon.  I
like eggs and I like salmon, but not as a unit.  Also, I don't have any
eggs right now and am not planning on going to the grocery store any
time in the next several days since I'm not out of any essentials.

> > They sat out at room
> > temperature for several hours today.  Does that matter?
>
> Yes. I give it 2-3 days.

Too bad there aren't homeless people in Sville.  I joined a conversation
group today and realized they were discussing something we have
discussed here -- the repulsively large servings in most restaurants
these days.  One person said that when traveling to a large city, she
and her husband normally ask for to-go boxes and find homeless people to
give the food to.  She said that one time it didn't work -- that they
walked for hours in search of somebody homeless and couldn't find
anybody.  She couldn't remember what city that was.

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On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>> >Mechanically seperated chicken
>> >Partially defatted cooked pork
>> >Fatty tissue beef tripe
>> >Partially defatted cooked beef fatty tissue
>> >Vinegar, salt, spices, sugar, flavorings (and various chemicals)
>>
>> Nothing rendered?
>
>Nothing bought.

You get the prize, Tush!

Bethany

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On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Larry Clark wrote:

>>Nothing rendered?
>>
>
>Nothing gained?

Hmmm - I am now rethinking my award to Tush!

Bethany

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bonniev wrote:

> Looks wonderful.  What an incredibly straight back your 94-year-old friend
> has.  I wonder if she takes Fosomax.

She is an incredible person.  I don't know whether she takes Fosomax.  I
should ask her that sometime.  But my gosh -- she was at osteoporosis
age FORTY years ago.

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> While shopping for the upcoming Montana trip, I was
> looking for canned meat
> to add to the canned stew. I couldn't find what I
> was looking for but they
> did have Libby's Potted Meat Food Product so I
> checked out the ingedients:
>
> Mechanically seperated chicken


This is only because Libby's employees refused point
blank to separate them personally.

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> She is an incredible person.  I don't know whether
> she takes Fosomax.  I
> should ask her that sometime.  But my gosh -- she
> was at osteoporosis
> age FORTY years ago.


Everyone looks very interesting and interestED.

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On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > Is it ok to freeze smoked salmon?
>>
>> No. See http://www.stoningtonseafood.com/aboutus_faqs.htm

> Thank you.  I don't need to chase the url.  I trust your reading of it.

Then I'm sorry I bothered; I knew that without looking it up.

> (I did wonder for a minute what smoked salmon had to do with one's
> sexual preferences.  Then I realized that it said aboutus_faqs, not
> aboutus_fags.)

No, that's Paul's web page...

>> Make scrambled eggs with smoked salmon for breakfast.

> Yuk!  Sorry -- I remember now that one should not say yuk about food.
> But it's just that I can't imagine adulterating eggs with salmon.  I
> like eggs and I like salmon, but not as a unit.

If you haven't had it, you can't say that...

> One person said that when traveling to a large city, she
> and her husband normally ask for to-go boxes and find homeless people to
> give the food to.

I know people who do that.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:


> Heavens!  Tempus fugit.  What school is Tomoko going to?
>


Thanks for the suggestions.  I feel pretty good about
finding a Mary Jo Salter and William Stafford for her.  It's
nice to be needed :).

Otsuma University?  Does that sound right?




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Lynne Weber wrote:

> Everyone looks very interesting and interestED.

I said in my e-mail to the guests a little while ago, giving them the
url, that I should have cropped out the toilet paper behind Marsha's
head in one of the pictures near the end.  But I didn't.  It was kind of
symbolic of the way parties go at my house -- not exactly <formal>
events.

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Thanks, Clyde.  I forwarded it on to her.

clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

> At 08:33 AM 9/7/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>> Can anyone think of a poem in English/American about
>> Hiroshima?  I know I have read a bunch, but it isn't coming
>> to me.  Karolin is trying to find one for some school thing
>> she is doing.
>
>
> Try:
>
> http://www.antigonishreview.com/bi-106/106-rossi.html
>
> cwv
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Rita Chapman wrote:

> Otsuma University?  Does that sound right?

Yes.  I don't know that university, but the name fits Japanese
phonology.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>She said that one time it didn't work -- that they
>walked for hours in search of somebody homeless and couldn't find
>anybody.  She couldn't remember what city that was.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Bar Harbor?


bonnie

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> There has to be a reason people still wear them.

Well, NOW, sure, it's one of the states for godsakes!  And they're wearing
denim everywhere in the world they can get it or are allowed to.

Ann

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On Sunday, September 07, 2003, bonniev wrote:
>>She said that one time it didn't work -- that they
>>walked for hours in search of somebody homeless and couldn't find
>>anybody.  She couldn't remember what city that was.
>>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

> Bar Harbor?

You don't get people who try to sleep on the beach?

Karen

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>No, that's Paul's web page...
>Karen

Wow.  When did he get demoted to "Paul"?  What happened to your beloved
Evil Twin??


bonnie

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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Sunday, September 07, 2003, bonniev wrote:
>
>>>She said that one time it didn't work -- that they
>>>walked for hours in search of somebody homeless and couldn't find
>>>anybody.  She couldn't remember what city that was.
>>> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>>>
>
>>Bar Harbor?
>>
>
> You don't get people who try to sleep on the beach?


        Oh, man.  Everyone should do that once.  It's great.  But
maybe a little cold in Maine -- and I don't think I would
have accepted somebody's lukewarm doggie bag when I was
doing it.






--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>> There has to be a reason people still wear them.

> Well, NOW, sure, it's one of the states for godsakes!

You mean I didn't NEED my passport when I lived there?!

> And they're wearing
> denim everywhere in the world they can get it or are allowed to.

Cultural imperialism.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Thank you.  I don't need to chase the url.  I trust your reading of it.
>
> Then I'm sorry I bothered; I knew that without looking it up.

You didn't think I'd believe you?

> > Yuk!  Sorry -- I remember now that one should not say yuk about food.
> > But it's just that I can't imagine adulterating eggs with salmon.  I
> > like eggs and I like salmon, but not as a unit.
>
> If you haven't had it, you can't say that...

I could say it anyway, but the fact is that I *have* had that combo.  It
was not my doing -- as in I did not personally choose to adulterate eggs
that way.  But I have indeed eaten that combo.

> > One person said that when traveling to a large city, she
> > and her husband normally ask for to-go boxes and find homeless people to
> > give the food to.
>
> I know people who do that.

It reminded me of the time I left half of a huge sandwich beside a
sleeping homeless person in NYC.  I don't do to-go boxes when traveling
since I rarely eat in regular restaurants in big cities.

--
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On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

> How would missionaries force the native women to wear
> European attire against their will?

Perhaps 'force' is too strong a word, except for children.  This is a good
question and if it's easy I'll try to find support.

Did you ever see the movie, or read the book, At Play in the Fields of the
Lord?

Ann

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Karen Kay wrote:

> What is osteoporosis age? That's a new term for me.

The age at which the risk of osteoporosis sharply increases.  For women
that's usually menopause.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> Did you ever see the movie, or read the book, At
> Play in the Fields of the
> Lord?

No.  I have done neither.  Should I?

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On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > Thank you.  I don't need to chase the url.  I trust your reading of it.
>>
>> Then I'm sorry I bothered; I knew that without looking it up.

> You didn't think I'd believe you?

I thought you'd argue.

>> > Yuk!  Sorry -- I remember now that one should not say yuk about food.
>> > But it's just that I can't imagine adulterating eggs with salmon.  I
>> > like eggs and I like salmon, but not as a unit.
>>
>> If you haven't had it, you can't say that...

> I could say it anyway, but the fact is that I *have* had that combo.  It
> was not my doing -- as in I did not personally choose to adulterate eggs
> that way.  But I have indeed eaten that combo.

Huh. I think it's sublime.

Karen

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On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> Did you ever see the movie, or read the book, At
>> Play in the Fields of the
>> Lord?

> No.  I have done neither.  Should I?

See the movie.

Karen

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> > No.  I have done neither.  Should I?
>
> See the movie.


I will make it a point.

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On Sunday, September 07, 2003, bonniev wrote:
>>No, that's Paul's web page...
>>Karen

> Wow.  When did he get demoted to "Paul"?

Demoted? It's his name.

> What happened to your beloved Evil Twin??

He is still my beloved, and we are still Evil Twins.

Karen

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On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         Oh, man.  Everyone should do that once.  It's great.  But
> maybe a little cold in Maine -- and I don't think I would
> have accepted somebody's lukewarm doggie bag when I was
> doing it.

I hate sand fleas.

Karen

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On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

> > You don't get people who try to sleep on the beach?
>
>         Oh, man.  Everyone should do that once.  It's great.  But
> maybe a little cold in Maine -- and I don't think I would
> have accepted somebody's lukewarm doggie bag when I was
> doing it.

I tried to sleep on a beach on Lake Michigan once and was driven back to
my cabin by sand fleas.

Ann

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On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> Did you ever see the movie, or read the book, At Play in the Fields of the
> Lord?

Yes! What a great movie!!!! What a horrible3 subject.

Karen

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> > Bar Harbor?
>
>You don't get people who try to sleep on the beach?
>Karen

What beach?  Granite is pretty darn hard to sleep on.  No, we don't.


bonnie

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On Sunday, September 07, 2003, bonniev wrote:
>> > Bar Harbor?
>>
>>You don't get people who try to sleep on the beach?
>>Karen

> What beach?  Granite is pretty darn hard to sleep on.  No, we don't.

They must roust them, then.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > You didn't think I'd believe you?
>
> I thought you'd argue.

??  Argue about an answer to a simple yes-no question that I had asked,
wanting a yes or no since I didn't know the answer?  I find your thought
bizarre.

> > I could say it anyway, but the fact is that I *have* had that combo.  It
> > was not my doing -- as in I did not personally choose to adulterate eggs
> > that way.  But I have indeed eaten that combo.
>
> Huh. I think it's sublime.

Food tastes are like that.  Different strokes are quite the norm.

--
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Lynne, maybe somebody else here will answer your question about why
native Hawaiian women started wearing muu-muu's and other western
clothing.

I've spent about 5 minutes googling, and found reinforcement for this
opinion or maybe legend, but nothing that would explain the power
situation or count as respectable evidence.

I'm not going to research it.  But I regard it as an interesting question:
why did the Hawaiian women change, and (more broadly) how does missionary
power work?  Is it that they bring technology and food and riches, so
people just get sucked into the economy and Business Casual gets defined
by the bosses?

Ann

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--- Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> wrote:
> Lynne, maybe somebody else here will answer your
> question about why
> native Hawaiian women started wearing muu-muu's and
> other western
> clothing.

Thank you for taking the time.  I, too, view it as an
interesting topic.  Perhaps it should remain open to
interpretation by other meebers.

Or cites, of course.

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Hi:

I am a new subscriber.  Can anyone tell me what we do here?

Bill
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> On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >
> > > In any case, I think Borkin should go them one better: Wear a sarong.
> >
> > LOL--now there's an image.
>
> I think I take exception to your -tone- here, K@r3N, which I don't feel is
> quite value-neutral.
>
> Ann

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In "Sling Blade",  Billy Bob Thornton had quite a bit to say about potted
meat.


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> While shopping for the upcoming Montana trip, I was looking for canned
meat
> to add to the canned stew. I couldn't find what I was looking for but they
> did have Libby's Potted Meat Food Product so I checked out the ingedients:
>
> Mechanically seperated chicken
> Partially defatted cooked pork
> Fatty tissue beef tripe
> Partially defatted cooked beef fatty tissue
> Vinegar, salt, spices, sugar, flavorings (and various chemicals)
>
> I didn't buy any

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >She said that one time it didn't work -- that they
> >walked for hours in search of somebody homeless and couldn't find
> >anybody.  She couldn't remember what city that was.
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> Bar Harbor?

She said "big cities."  As a Starkville resident, she's aware that there
aren't many homeless people in small towns.

--
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> > Otsuma University?  Does that sound right?
>
> Yes.  I don't know that university, but the name fits Japanese
> phonology.

And it has a website:

http://www.otsuma.ac.jp/gakuin/

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New Bill:

>In "Sling Blade",  Billy Bob Thornton had quite a bit to say about potted
meat.

... and new meat, er, I mean blood.

Welcome. What you see is what you get.

Sometimes.

AS

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On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Bill wrote:

> Hi:
>
> I am a new subscriber.  Can anyone tell me what we do here?
>
We research the excercise of Missionary Power.

Currently, the topic is:  How did the missionaries in Hawaii effect
certain costume changes for the native women?  SUBTITLE:  how come
muu-muu.

Ann

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Bill wrote:
>
> Hi:
>
> I am a new subscriber.  Can anyone tell me what we do here?

Hi, Bill.  And welcome!  What we do here is kind of hard to describe.
You'll gradually get the hang of it if you stick with us.  We might be
talking about Hawaiian shirts (a thread I haven't been paying much
attention to because I'm extra busy right now -- that's another thing --
a few Wordslers read every word of every posting, while many others read
selectively, depending on their schedules, moods, interests -- some
Wordslers go on nomail from time to time for one reason or another).  Or
we might be talking about headless chickens.  Or we might be talking
about Nietzsche.  Or about computers.  Or about Brahms.  Or each other.

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On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> Nothing rendered?
> >Nothing bought.
> You get the prize, Tush!

I don't get it.

I wish I got it.

Ann

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>And it has a website:

>http://www.otsuma.ac.jp/gakuin/

Ah, yes -- 'tis the famed Otsuma *Women's* University from whence came the
62 Japanese girls to Murray State for a special study program a couple of
years ago, about which I posted more than a thing or two. A great group!

Still in the archives, I presume.

AS

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--- Amy Burns Short <amyb_short@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> New Bill:
>
> >In "Sling Blade",  Billy Bob Thornton had quite a
> bit to say about potted
> meat.
>
> ... and new meat, er, I mean blood.
>
> Welcome. What you see is what you get.
>
> Sometimes.

Take ALL of your vitamins.  Grow strong bones and
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On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> But I regard it as an interesting question:
> why did the Hawaiian women change, and (more broadly) how does missionary
> power work?  Is it that they bring technology and food and riches, so
> people just get sucked into the economy and Business Casual gets defined
> by the bosses?

I thought you saw "At Play in the Fields of the Lord"?

Karen

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> I hate it, how I am with regard to memories like
> this.  Apparently I still
> have some maybe meta memory, since Karen thinks a
> movie I cited answers my
> questions; but I can't remember how.


Although I haven't seen "At Play", it occurs to me
that what you saw in that movie may have been
reinforced by the movie "Hawaii". (?)

> It's happened throughout my life:  somebody says
> something, I respond with
> something apt and relevent:  but I can't explain
> how, and can't remember
> the details.  It's like I have a retrieval system in
> place but it stops at
> that.
>
> Ann


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On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> > You didn't think I'd believe you?
>>
>> I thought you'd argue.

> ??  Argue about an answer to a simple yes-no question that I had asked,
> wanting a yes or no since I didn't know the answer?  I find your thought
> bizarre.

It's based on experience.

Karen

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On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> I thought you saw "At Play in the Fields of the Lord"?

Does it answer these questions?

I hate it, how I am with regard to memories like this.  Apparently I still
have some maybe meta memory, since Karen thinks a movie I cited answers my
questions; but I can't remember how.

It's happened throughout my life:  somebody says something, I respond with
something apt and relevent:  but I can't explain how, and can't remember
the details.  It's like I have a retrieval system in place but it stops at
that.

Ann

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Of course I know the William Carlos Williams poem but I didn't know the
Kenneth Koch answer.

William Carlos Williams: "This is just to say":

> >> I have eaten
> >> the plums
> >> that were in
> >> the icebox
> >>
> >> and which
> >> you were probably
> >> saving
> >> for breakfast
> >>
> >> Forgive me
> >> they were delicious
> >> so sweet
> >> and so cold
> >
 VARIATIONS ON A THEME BY WILLIAM CARLOS WILLIAMS
(Kenneth Koch)]

> > 1. I chopped down the house that you had been saving to live in next
> > summer.
> > I am sorry, but it was morning, and I had nothing to do
> > and its wooden beams were so inviting.
> >
> > 2.
> > We laughed at the hollyhocks together
> > and then I sprayed them with lye.
> > Forgive me.  I simply do not know what I am doing.
> >
> > 3.
> > I gave away the money that you had been saving to live on for the next
> > ten
> > years.
> > The man who asked for it was shabby
> > and the firm March wind on the porch was so juicy and cold.
> >
> > 4.
> > Last evening we went dancing and I broke your leg.
> > Forgive me I was clumsy, and
> > I wanted you here in the wards, where I am the doctor!

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On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> I thought you saw "At Play in the Fields of the Lord"?

> Does it answer these questions?

Yes, to some extent. Here's the IMDB blurb: "Martin and Hazel Quarrier
are small-town fundamentalist missionaries sent to the jungles of
South America to convert the Indians. Their remote mission was
previously run by the Catholics, before the natives murdered them all.
They are sent by the pompous Leslie Huben, who runs the missionary
effort in the area but who seems more concerned about competing with
his Catholic 'rivals' than in the Indians themselves. Hazel is
terrified of the Indians while Martin is fascinated. Soon American
pilot Lewis Moon joins the Indian tribe but is attracted by Leslie's
young wife, Andy. Can the interaction of these characters and
cultures, and the advancing bulldozers of civilization, avoid
disaster?"

There's another relevant movie I saw around the same time, but I can't
remember the name or who was in it. I thought maybe it was Al Pacino,
but nothing is listed. (I thought it was called "The Missionary", but
that's a Michael Palin movie.)

> It's happened throughout my life:  somebody says something, I respond with
> something apt and relevent:  but I can't explain how, and can't remember
> the details.  It's like I have a retrieval system in place but it stops at
> that.

Yes, well? Doesn't everyone's work that way?

Karen

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In a message dated 9/7/2003 7:10:19 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

>Well, I used to wear them, when I was young. I suspect you didn't.
>
All this reminded me of an Hawaiian couple we had as neighbors many years
ago. She always wore a longish dress at home, and she told me about it's origin,
but which I've forgotten. All I remembered was that they were the nicest
neighbors I ever had. Unfortunately for me they returned to Hawaii. Theo

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In a message dated 9/7/2003 8:25:30 PM, brintala@BELLSOUTH.NET writes:

>I am a new subscriber.  Can anyone tell me what we do here?

Welcome, Bill. I'm not exactly new anymore, but I haven't discovered the
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On 7 Sep 2003 at 20:10, Karen Kay wrote:

> Well, I used to wear them, when I was young. I suspect you didn't.

I herewith confirm your suspicion.

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Who is the moderator of this list?

Bill
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> In a message dated 9/7/2003 8:25:30 PM, brintala@BELLSOUTH.NET writes:
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> >I am a new subscriber.  Can anyone tell me what we do here?
>
> Welcome, Bill. I'm not exactly new anymore, but I haven't discovered the
> answer to your question YET! Theo

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I think that "The Missionary" starred Robert Dinero.  Has anyone read a
smallish book titled "Things Fall Apart" by Chinua Achebe?  It's about the
coming of the missionaries from the perspective of the "heathens".

Bill R
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> > I hate it, how I am with regard to memories like
> > this.  Apparently I still
> > have some maybe meta memory, since Karen thinks a
> > movie I cited answers my
> > questions; but I can't remember how.
>
>
> Although I haven't seen "At Play", it occurs to me
> that what you saw in that movie may have been
> reinforced by the movie "Hawaii". (?)
>
> > It's happened throughout my life:  somebody says
> > something, I respond with
> > something apt and relevent:  but I can't explain
> > how, and can't remember
> > the details.  It's like I have a retrieval system in
> > place but it stops at
> > that.
> >
> > Ann
>
>
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Bill:
= Who is the moderator of this list?
=

What makes you think there is one?

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Bill wrote:
> I think that "The Missionary" starred Robert Dinero.

De Niro. Thank you, for some reason, I could not think of that name.
It's "The Mission". Here are two IMDB blurbs, Ann.

"Jeremy Irons plays a Spanish Jesuit who goes into the South American
wilderness to build a mission in the hope of converting the Indians of
the region. Robert DeNiro plays a slave hunter who is converted and
joins Irons in his mission. When Spain sells the colony to Portugal,
they are forced to defend all they have built against the Portugese
aggressors.

Summary written by mattbballman17"

"Father Gabriel ascends the mountains of Brazil to bring christianity
to the natives. He is successful and brings about a golden age among
them. Mendoza, a slaver, kills his brother in a fit of rage, and only
Fr. Gabriel's guidance prevents his suicide. Gabriel brings Mendoza to
work at his mission with the natives, and Mendoza finds peace and asks
to become a priest. The church , under pressure, cedes the land to the
Portuguese which will allow slavers in again. Mendoza breaks his vows
and organizes the natives to resist while Gabriel warns him to help
them as a priest.

Summary written by John Vogel {jvogel@dgs.dgsys.com}"

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > ??  Argue about an answer to a simple yes-no question that I had asked,
> > wanting a yes or no since I didn't know the answer?  I find your thought
> > bizarre.
>
> It's based on experience.

You have had bizarre experiences.

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Bill wrote:
>
> Who is the moderator of this list?

Al Essa.

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Koch is suuuuuch a bastard, isn't he?


Ann Borkin wrote:

> Of course I know the William Carlos Williams poem but I didn't know the
> Kenneth Koch answer.
>
> William Carlos Williams: "This is just to say":
>
>
>>>>I have eaten
>>>>the plums
>>>>that were in
>>>>the icebox
>>>>
>>>>and which
>>>>you were probably
>>>>saving
>>>>for breakfast
>>>>
>>>>Forgive me
>>>>they were delicious
>>>>so sweet
>>>>and so cold
>>>>
>  VARIATIONS ON A THEME BY WILLIAM CARLOS WILLIAMS
> (Kenneth Koch)]
>
>
>>>1. I chopped down the house that you had been saving to live in next
>>>summer.
>>>I am sorry, but it was morning, and I had nothing to do
>>>and its wooden beams were so inviting.
>>>
>>>2.
>>>We laughed at the hollyhocks together
>>>and then I sprayed them with lye.
>>>Forgive me.  I simply do not know what I am doing.
>>>
>>>3.
>>>I gave away the money that you had been saving to live on for the next
>>>ten
>>>years.
>>>The man who asked for it was shabby
>>>and the firm March wind on the porch was so juicy and cold.
>>>
>>>4.
>>>Last evening we went dancing and I broke your leg.
>>>Forgive me I was clumsy, and
>>>I wanted you here in the wards, where I am the doctor!
>>>
>


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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        Oh, man.  Everyone should do that once.  It's great.  But
>>maybe a little cold in Maine -- and I don't think I would
>>have accepted somebody's lukewarm doggie bag when I was
>>doing it.
>>
>
> I hate sand fleas.


        Never bothered me.




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Natalie Maynor:
= Bill wrote:
= >
= > Who is the moderator of this list?
=
= Al Essa.
=

This Al Essa?

http://tinyurl.com/mlyi  (google groups)

Apparently this was already funny by 1992!

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On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

>> >> Nothing rendered?
>> >Nothing bought.
>> You get the prize, Tush!
>
>I don't get it.
>
>I wish I got it.

Think "Nothing ventured, nothing gained."

Bethany

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On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

>>>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33337-2003Sep5.html
>>>
>>
>> So did he get it right?
>
>
>        The usage, yep.  The social commentary I would quibble with.

Would you elaborate for us?

Bethany

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Welcome Bill
 
There is no moderation on words-l
 
BrP


>>> brintala@BELLSOUTH.NET 09/08/03 03:43AM >>>
Who is the moderator of this list?

Bill

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> Bill wrote:
> >
> > Who is the moderator of this list?
>
> Al Essa.

Have we been immoderate?

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>Is it that they bring technology and food and riches, so
>people just get sucked into the economy and Business Casual gets defined
>by the bosses?          --Ann

Or is it that the missionaries bring their foreign religion and then rule
through fear of hell or love for Jesus?


bonnie

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>She said "big cities."  As a Starkville resident, she's aware that there
>aren't many homeless people in small towns.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I guess the most desirable place would be a big city with a sand beach.


bonnie

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> > >> Nothing rendered?
> > >Nothing bought.
> > You get the prize, Tush!
>
>I don't get it.
>
>I wish I got it.
>Ann

Perhaps they refer to this site:  http://www.renderosity.com/ which has
many things for sale.


bonnie

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> > ??  Argue about an answer to a simple yes-no question that I had asked,
>> > wanting a yes or no since I didn't know the answer?  I find your thought
>> > bizarre.
>>
>> It's based on experience.

> You have had bizarre experiences.

I agree.

Karen

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, bonniev wrote:
>>Is it that they bring technology and food and riches, so
>>people just get sucked into the economy and Business Casual gets defined
>>by the bosses?          --Ann

> Or is it that the missionaries bring their foreign religion and then rule
> through fear of hell or love for Jesus?

Only subsidiarily.

Karen

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At 02:43 AM 9/8/2003 -0500, Bill wrote:
>Who is the moderator of this list?

Moderator??  We don' need no steenkin' moderator.

cwv

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>This Al Essa?
>
>http://tinyurl.com/mlyi  (google groups)
>
>Apparently this was already funny by 1992!

Wow.   Well written.  Surely Al Essa is THE giant that formerly stomped
about these grounds.  Alas, before my time.


bonnie

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> > Or is it that the missionaries bring their foreign religion and then rule
> > through fear of hell or love for Jesus?
>
>Only subsidiarily.
>Karen

If only you could speak fully, clearly, and plainly, K@R3N.   The movie
synopses you posted said nothing about how the missionaries dominated and
changed culture.


bonnie

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, bonniev wrote:
>> > Or is it that the missionaries bring their foreign religion and then rule
>> > through fear of hell or love for Jesus?
>>
>>Only subsidiarily.
>>Karen

> If only you could speak fully, clearly, and plainly, K@R3N.

Sorry, I'm not really awake.

> The movie synopses you posted said nothing about how the
> missionaries dominated and changed culture.

Well, their very presence changed the cultures they were living in. I
don't think that 'fear of hell or love for Jesus' worked unless they
had been their for a long time and had a LOT of believers. People like
to believe what they want to believe; missionaries were most
successful places where their beliefs fit in with the existing
framework, or they brought technology and money.

Karen

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> If only you could speak fully, clearly, and plainly,
> K@R3N.   The movie
> synopses you posted said nothing about how the
> missionaries dominated and
> changed culture.


I believe cites of fact are required, here.  These
folks were, after all, missionaries, not Great White
Hunters. Even in fictionalized accounts, I don't
remember guns being held to heads.

I am no apologist for missionaries or evangelists.
I'd like to see some factual information regarding the
vice-like grip they are widely believed to have
maintained over Polynesians.


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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> I am no apologist for missionaries or evangelists.
> I'd like to see some factual information regarding the
> vice-like grip they are widely believed to have
> maintained over Polynesians.

Well, I've never seen the movie or read the book, but in Hawaii a lot
of the interests were economic.

Karen

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Larry Clark wrote:

> Mechanically seperated chicken
> Partially defatted cooked pork
> Fatty tissue beef tripe
> Partially defatted cooked beef fatty tissue
> Vinegar, salt, spices, sugar, flavorings (and various chemicals)

    And those are the good parts.

> I didn't buy any.

    You are wise.  Go to PetSmart and get some hooves instead.

JMW

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>From a NYT piece by Wm Safire this morning:

"On my return to the lists after vacation, let me animadvert 
on the swelling chorus of handwringing failuremongers. 
In Britain, for example, the BBC was recently revealed to 
have "sexed up" a story that accused Prime Minister Tony 
Blair of having "sexed up" a prewar intelligence report about 
Saddam's weaponry. When the anti-Blair, antiwar BBC learned 
of its reporter's exaggeration, it refused to correct his inflammatory
story lest it appear to be caving in to government pressure.
One board member claimed truth in reporting to be "less important"
than an image of fearlessness."

Now be honest.  How many knew this word?  Anyone go
look it up?

                                                    - D. M.

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
[about animadvert]
> Now be honest.  How many knew this word?

I've heard it before.

> Anyone go look it up?

I did (afterwards), and it comes from where I thought it did--animus
and advert(are).

Karen

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What makes me think that there is one is that this List has a history, of
which I am a part.   Several years ago there was another large group of word
lovers who met here.  The moderator, at that time, began to ban people from
the list for what he considered were off topic conversational strings.  The
upshot of that was that we all left Words-L and formed another word group
which has been thriving.
Seeing the topics from my first day back makes me think that Maz is no
longer the moderator here.  So I ask, if not Maz then who?  All of these
lists have someone who moderates them even if they lurk in the background.

Bill R


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> Bill:
> = Who is the moderator of this list?
> =
>
> What makes you think there is one?

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> Now be honest.  How many knew this word?  Anyone go
> look it up?

I will.  Not I.  Yes.

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On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Bill wrote:

> What makes me think that there is one is that this List has a history, of
> which I am a part.   Several years ago there was another large group of word
> lovers who met here.  The moderator, at that time, began to ban people from
> the list for what he considered were off topic conversational strings.  The
> upshot of that was that we all left Words-L and formed another word group
> which has been thriving.

oh good, more signs of an alternate universe.

Ann

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> Date, venue, attire and honeymoon are now set.
>
> AS

Are you going to share this information with us?

Marie

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> I mean, we got lung, prostate, brain,
> stomach...  No suffixes.
>
> Wait a sec, we also have pancreatic
> and ovarian...
>
> Is there a rule?

I do not think there is a rule. But you are right, my solution was to give up the "r" on vulvar. I couldn't even decide which vowel sound I needed to make there.

Marie

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Bill wrote:
> What makes me think that there is one is that this List has a history, of
> which I am a part.  Several years ago there was another large group of word
> lovers who met here.  The moderator, at that time, began to ban people from
> the list for what he considered were off topic conversational strings.  The
> upshot of that was that we all left Words-L and formed another word group
> which has been thriving.

I think you've got the wrong list.

> Seeing the topics from my first day back makes me think that Maz is no
> longer the moderator here.  So I ask, if not Maz then who?

We have never had a moderator. We have had list-owners, but none of
them were named Maz.

> All of these lists have someone who moderates them even if they lurk
> in the background.

You are mistaken. This one doesn't.

Karen

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> strings.  The
> > upshot of that was that we all left Words-L and formed another
> word group
> > which has been thriving.
>
> oh good, more signs of an alternate universe.

My thought exactly was that this man has leapt over from the "Bizarro Words-L". (a la Seinfeld)

Marie

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> Make scrambled eggs with smoked salmon for breakfast.

That's one of my favorite things. Must add onions and cream cheese though.

> > Or does smoked salmon keep just sitting in the
> > refrigerator for ages and ages?
>
> No.

But it freezes very well. I always have some in my freezer. Just wrap it in some saran and/or foil in serving sized packets.

Marie

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
>> Make scrambled eggs with smoked salmon for breakfast.

> That's one of my favorite things. Must add onions and cream cheese though.

Onions, for sure (green or red), but I don't always add cc.

>> > Or does smoked salmon keep just sitting in the
>> > refrigerator for ages and ages?
>>
>> No.

> But it freezes very well. I always have some in my freezer. Just
> wrap it in some saran and/or foil in serving sized packets.

Hm. All the web sites said no, and my own experiences have been
dismal. What are you doing special?!

Karen

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> On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> >> > Is it ok to freeze smoked salmon?
> >>
> >> No. See http://www.stoningtonseafood.com/aboutus_faqs.htm
>
> > Thank you.  I don't need to chase the url.  I trust your reading
> of it.

I don't. It says:
_________________________________

Can I freeze my smoked seafood?
Our smoked seafood packaged under vacuum can be frozen if unopened. The eating quality will deteriorate slightly during the freezing process, but can be minimized if you do not keep it frozen for over two months. Thaw slowly in the fridge overnight, keep refrigerated, and eat within a couple of days.
__________________________________

I do it all the time -- mostly I just open the vacuum packed stuff to reallocate it into portions of about 1/4 lb., but I really don't think it's an absolute no-no.

Marie

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> Onions, for sure (green or red), but I don't always add cc.

I don't either, but it's good!  (and I use regular white onions)

> Hm. All the web sites said no, and my own experiences have been
> dismal. What are you doing special?!

I don't know. We just wrap it very well maybe. But it works very well. Even for just eating straight.

Marie

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 11:53 AM
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>
>
>On Monday, September 08, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
>>> Make scrambled eggs with smoked salmon for breakfast.
>
>> That's one of my favorite things. Must add onions and cream
>cheese though.
>
>Onions, for sure (green or red), but I don't always add cc.
>
>>> > Or does smoked salmon keep just sitting in the
>>> > refrigerator for ages and ages?
>>>
>>> No.
>
>> But it freezes very well. I always have some in my freezer. Just
>> wrap it in some saran and/or foil in serving sized packets.
>
>Hm. All the web sites said no, and my own experiences have been
>dismal. What are you doing special?!
>
>Karen
>

We usually buy a pound and freeze it too. We bought a vacuum sealer which
works great.


alec

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
>> On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> > Karen Kay wrote:
>> >> > Is it ok to freeze smoked salmon?
>> >>
>> >> No. See http://www.stoningtonseafood.com/aboutus_faqs.htm
>>
>> > Thank you.  I don't need to chase the url.  I trust your reading
>> of it.

> I don't. It says:
> _________________________________

> Can I freeze my smoked seafood? Our smoked seafood packaged under
> vacuum can be frozen if unopened. The eating quality will
> deteriorate slightly during the freezing process, but can be
> minimized if you do not keep it frozen for over two months. Thaw
> slowly in the fridge overnight, keep refrigerated, and eat within a
> couple of days. __________________________________

> I do it all the time -- mostly I just open the vacuum packed stuff
> to reallocate it into portions of about 1/4 lb., but I really don't
> think it's an absolute no-no.

You're just disagreeing with the website, not distrusting my reading
of it. It specifically says you can only freeze unopened pkgs.

Karen

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> Is it ok to freeze smoked salmon?  I had bought fifteen chunks of
> it for
> the fifteen people -- those separately packaged chunks in grocery
> stores-- I've forgotten the brand name on them, and those packages
> are outside
> in nasty garbage now.

Chunks?

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
>> Hm. All the web sites said no, and my own experiences have been
>> dismal. What are you doing special?!

> I don't know. We just wrap it very well maybe. But it works very well. Even for just eating straight.

Maybe I'm not getting enough air out. I'll try again when I can afford
to buy smoked salmon.

Karen

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> You're just disagreeing with the website, not distrusting my reading
> of it. It specifically says you can only freeze unopened pkgs.

It doesn't say why.

Marie

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> We usually buy a pound and freeze it too. We bought a vacuum sealer which
> works great.

Yes--I'm not surprised the vacuum sealer works well.

Karen

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
>> You're just disagreeing with the website, not distrusting my reading
>> of it. It specifically says you can only freeze unopened pkgs.

> It doesn't say why.

No, but it doesn't matter, does it? Natalie's were opened.

Karen

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Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>We usually buy a pound and freeze it too. We bought a vacuum sealer which
>works great.
>
>
>alec
>
>
One of the world's truly great inventions!  We love ours.  Foods can be
frozen for long periods of time and when thawed, have lost almost none
of their original flavor.  (I stuck that "almost" in there because even
I have to believe that there is some loss but it is not detectable.)

Rita L.

--

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>> Date, venue, attire and honeymoon are now set.
>>
>> AS

>Are you going to share this information with us?

>Marie

In time -- inasmuch as is appropriate.

AS

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From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> On Monday, September 08, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
> >> You're just disagreeing with the website, not distrusting my
> reading>> of it. It specifically says you can only freeze unopened
> pkgs.
> > It doesn't say why.
>
> No, but it doesn't matter, does it? Natalie's were opened.

It does matter. It said it was totally fine if unopened. Didn't say why having been opened would matter. You offered to her that she can't because you read on this information-free website that you can't. I say that she can, and there's nothing there telling me why not. When I've done so myself.

Marie

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At 07:37 AM 09/08/2003 -0700, John Williams wrote:

>    You are wise.  Go to PetSmart and get some hooves instead.
>

I thought about  that. Not buying some hooves but thinking dog food must
have better ingredients than that.

Larry

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
> It does matter. It said it was totally fine if unopened. Didn't say
> why having been opened would matter. You offered to her that she
> can't because you read on this information-free website that you
> can't.

No--that was merely supporting my experience.

> I say that she can, and there's nothing there telling me why
> not. When I've done so myself.

Good for you, Marie! You win. Are you happy, now? You are the goddess
of smoked salmon, I kiss your toes.

Karen

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> I thought about  that. Not buying some hooves but thinking dog
> food must
> have better ingredients than that.
>
> Larry

     Cheaper, too.  But you ever really *looked* at a can of corned beef
hash?  I don't thing it would be much of a stretch.  8-)
     I read a book about Alaskan bush pilots that said that right after
a rifle and ammunition the most common item of survival gear carried was
a fifty-pound sack of Purina Cat Chow.

JMW

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> > I say that she can, and there's nothing there telling me why
> > not. When I've done so myself.
>
> Good for you, Marie! You win. Are you happy, now? You are the goddess
> of smoked salmon, I kiss your toes.

No need to get hysterical.

Marie

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At 09:55 AM 9/8/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:

>Now be honest.  How many knew this word?  Anyone go
>look it up?

Gregg Easterbrook uses it in his ESPN.com column---there is always a
section entitled Reader Animadversions.

cwv

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
>> > I say that she can, and there's nothing there telling me why
>> > not. When I've done so myself.
>>
>> Good for you, Marie! You win. Are you happy, now? You are the goddess
>> of smoked salmon, I kiss your toes.

> No need to get hysterical.

I am not hysterical, OGOSS.

Karen

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It's a song not a poem, but the first thing that came to my mind is Fred Small's "Cranes Over Hiroshima"
 
Here are the lyrics
 
ARTIST: Fred SmallTITLE: Cranes Over HiroshimaThe baby blinks her eyes as the sun falls from the skyShe feels the stings of a thousand fires as the city around her diesSome sleep beneath the rubble, some wake to a different worldFrom the crying babe will grow a laughing girlTen summers fade to autumn, ten winters' snows have passedShe's a child of dreams and dances, she's a racer strong and fastBut the headaches come ever more often and the dizziness always returnsAnd the word that she hears is leukemia and it burns{Refrain}Cranes over Hiroshima, white and red and goldFlicker in the sunlight like a million vanished soulsI will fold these cranes of paper to a thousand one by oneAnd I'll fly away when I'm doneHer ancestors knew the legend - if you make a thousand cranesFrom squares of colored paper, it will take the pain awayWith loving hands she folds them, 6 hundred 44Till the morning her stumbling fingers can't fold anymore{Refrain}Her friends did not forget her - crane after crane they madeUntil they reached a thousand and laid them upon her gravePeople from everywhere gathered, together a prayer they saidAnd they wrote the words in granite so none can forget:This is our cry, this is our prayer, peace in the worldThis is our cry, this is our prayer, peace in the worldThis is our cry


>>> rouvalis@SWBELL.NET 09/07/03 09:33AM >>>
Can anyone think of a poem in English/American about
Hiroshima?  I know I have read a bunch, but it isn't coming
to me.  Karolin is trying to find one for some school thing
she is doing.

My girls are so grown up.  Tomoko is finishing up college,
and Julie is a nurse now.

--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org 
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http://www.azstarnet.com/star/sat/30906NShushingLibrarian.html

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02003-09-08 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> > strings.  The
> > > upshot of that was that we all left Words-L and formed another
> > word group
> > > which has been thriving.
> >
> > oh good, more signs of an alternate universe.
>
> My thought exactly was that this man has leapt over from the "Bizarro
> Words-L". (a la Seinfeld)

Wrong ... the phrase hit the mainstream after it was used in Buffy.

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02003-09-07 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > Well what do I know - I thought the missionaries made them wear these
> > clothes, at least when in the presence of missionaries.  But maybe indeed
> > the native women thought hey I'd look pretty good in that too?
>
> There has to be a reason people still wear them.

The question, K-R-N, is not about its looking good now. Did it
look good to them then? Answer the question carefully, K-R-N.

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02003-09-07 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> How would missionaries force the native women to wear
> European attire against their will?

If I was a missionary I would spit fire and berate, and
point and ridicule, until they think, who needs this shit ...

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-09-07 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>> > Well what do I know - I thought the missionaries made them wear these
>> > clothes, at least when in the presence of missionaries.  But maybe indeed
>> > the native women thought hey I'd look pretty good in that too?
>>
>> There has to be a reason people still wear them.

> The question, K-R-N, is not about its looking good now. Did it
> look good to them then? Answer the question carefully, K-R-N.

1) I have no idea.
b) Furthermore, I don't care.

Karen

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Sadly, not even cows.

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> Sadly, not even cows.

Another Fred Small song:

If I Were A Moose

If I were a moose and you were a cow
Would you love me anyhow?
Would you introduce me to your folks
Would you tell your friends "No moose jokes!"
If I were a moose and you were a cow.

Would you invite me to your club
And risk a cruel bovine snub
Would you lead me down the receiving line
And boldly boast "This moose is mine!"

Would your parents watch us graze
Shake their heads, "It's just a phase"
Or would they thank the stars above
Their precious heifer's found her love?

Would your grandparents change their will?
They'd really expected a Holstein bull
"For this we toiled before the plow --
You bring home someone who's not even a cow.

There's lot's of proper stock around
Like that nice young Guernsey at Farmer Brown's
Or that last one we ridiculed and cursed
On second thought you could do worse.

But if you think this thing will last
Could he learn to moo and eat our grass
Shed his antlers in the dirt
Could you persuade him to convert?"

If our anatomies did not quite fit
Would you make the best of it
Would you nuzzle up so near
And hum sweet cow tunes in my ear?

Or would you sadly break it off
When all the hillside sneered and scoffed
"You know those moose are all the same
They're lazy, they're stupid, they come from Maine."

It's true things slip a moose's mind
That cows remember all the time
Bulbous nose and knobby knees
A coat that harbors ticks and fleas

But a moose can be a handy thing
When hungry wolves come visiting
In icy gust of winter storm
Our fur is deep and dry and warm.

And someday should your milk run dry
And farmer stare with baleful eye
In dead of night I'd slip your noose
And lead you home to the land of moose
If I were a moose and you were a cow.

If hunters came to do me harm
Would you hide me in the barn
Would all the herd come on the run
And glare until they dropped their guns?

Might you permit a goodnight kiss
Could you learn to love wet moose lips?
If I were a moose and you were a cow
If you were a cow and I were a moose

Karen

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> If I was a missionary I would spit fire and berate,
> and
> point and ridicule, until they think, who needs this
> shit ...

Then I, being nothing but a savage after all, would
simply skewer you.


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It's a keeper.



--- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> On Monday, September 08, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > Sadly, not even cows.
>
> Another Fred Small song:
>
> If I Were A Moose
>
> If I were a moose and you were a cow
> Would you love me anyhow?
> Would you introduce me to your folks
> Would you tell your friends "No moose jokes!"
> If I were a moose and you were a cow.
>
> Would you invite me to your club
> And risk a cruel bovine snub
> Would you lead me down the receiving line
> And boldly boast "This moose is mine!"
>
> Would your parents watch us graze
> Shake their heads, "It's just a phase"
> Or would they thank the stars above
> Their precious heifer's found her love?
>
> Would your grandparents change their will?
> They'd really expected a Holstein bull
> "For this we toiled before the plow --
> You bring home someone who's not even a cow.
>
> There's lot's of proper stock around
> Like that nice young Guernsey at Farmer Brown's
> Or that last one we ridiculed and cursed
> On second thought you could do worse.
>
> But if you think this thing will last
> Could he learn to moo and eat our grass
> Shed his antlers in the dirt
> Could you persuade him to convert?"
>
> If our anatomies did not quite fit
> Would you make the best of it
> Would you nuzzle up so near
> And hum sweet cow tunes in my ear?
>
> Or would you sadly break it off
> When all the hillside sneered and scoffed
> "You know those moose are all the same
> They're lazy, they're stupid, they come from Maine."
>
> It's true things slip a moose's mind
> That cows remember all the time
> Bulbous nose and knobby knees
> A coat that harbors ticks and fleas
>
> But a moose can be a handy thing
> When hungry wolves come visiting
> In icy gust of winter storm
> Our fur is deep and dry and warm.
>
> And someday should your milk run dry
> And farmer stare with baleful eye
> In dead of night I'd slip your noose
> And lead you home to the land of moose
> If I were a moose and you were a cow.
>
> If hunters came to do me harm
> Would you hide me in the barn
> Would all the herd come on the run
> And glare until they dropped their guns?
>
> Might you permit a goodnight kiss
> Could you learn to love wet moose lips?
> If I were a moose and you were a cow
> If you were a cow and I were a moose
>
> Karen


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I can't find any of this anywhere. Did it all occur in the parallel
 Hawaiian shirt universe?

Geez, Natalie, if I can't count on you to tell me little details, what
can I count on? Next thing I know, Tushar will welcome me back with
delight and Lynne will swear!

I'm a little more back than I was, but now I have both strep and sinus
infection, so no triumph goes unpunished.

clo

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02003-09-07 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> I'm not going to research it.  But I regard it as an interesting question:
> why did the Hawaiian women change, and (more broadly) how does missionary
> power work?  Is it that they bring technology and food and riches, so
> people just get sucked into the economy and Business Casual gets defined
> by the bosses?

Excuse me BORKIN,

Are you asking HOW Christianity spread in the world?

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Animadversion is a pretty common word with the Indian (and
presumably British) press.

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02003-09-08 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > If I was a missionary I would spit fire and berate,
> > and point and ridicule, until they think, who needs
> > this shit ...
>
> Then I, being nothing but a savage after all, would
> simply skewer you.

On pain of burning eternally? Answer extremely carefully.

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02003-09-08 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> >> > Well what do I know - I thought the missionaries made them wear these
> >> > clothes, at least when in the presence of missionaries.  But maybe
> >> > indeed the native women thought hey I'd look pretty good in that too?
> >>
> >> There has to be a reason people still wear them.
>
> > The question, K-R-N, is not about its looking good now. Did it
> > look good to them then? Answer the question carefully, K-R-N.
>
> 1) I have no idea.
> b) Furthermore, I don't care.

Furthermore? You mean "hence".

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On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 16:29:12 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:

>02003-09-08 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> >> On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>> >> > Well what do I know - I thought the missionaries made them wear
these
>> >> > clothes, at least when in the presence of missionaries.  But maybe
>> >> > indeed the native women thought hey I'd look pretty good in that
too?
>> >>
>> >> There has to be a reason people still wear them.
>>
>> > The question, K-R-N, is not about its looking good now. Did it
>> > look good to them then? Answer the question carefully, K-R-N.
>>
>> 1) I have no idea.
>> b) Furthermore, I don't care.
>
>Furthermore? You mean "hence".

I think I know Karen well enough to say that, even if she had an idea, she
wouldn't care.

Furthermore, so don't I.

clo

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On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-09-07 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > I'm not going to research it.  But I regard it as an interesting question:
> > why did the Hawaiian women change, and (more broadly) how does missionary
> > power work?  Is it that they bring technology and food and riches, so
> > people just get sucked into the economy and Business Casual gets defined
> > by the bosses?
>
> Excuse me BORKIN,
>
> Are you asking HOW Christianity spread in the world?
>

Just the muu-muu, in Hawaii, you-u stupid boy.

Ann

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02003-09-08 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Well, their very presence changed the cultures they were living in.
> I don't think that 'fear of hell or love for Jesus' worked unless
> they had been their for a long time and had a LOT of believers.
> People like to believe what they want to believe; missionaries
> were most successful places where their beliefs fit in with the
> existing framework, or they brought technology and money.

More like, some religious systems are just rendered completely
useless and powerless by abrupt import of technology. While the
old religion crumbles, the new one can step in. Does this really
need a long time? I don't think so. When a community converts, it
converts overnight.

Let's not let our irreligiousness get in the way of understanding...

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> On pain of burning eternally? Answer extremely
carefully.

In the setting of a court of law, it's a slam dunk -
justifiable homicide.

But, as to eternity...  I'm still reckoning on whether
or not you're worth it.


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02003-09-07 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> I tried to sleep on a beach on Lake Michigan once and was driven back to
> my cabin by sand fleas.

I took an afternoon nap, and when I woke up my sense of perspective
and scale was completely messed up. A bird very far, on the horizon,
looked very near and monstrously large.

Then I got up and the spell was broken.

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02003-09-08 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > On pain of burning eternally? Answer extremely
> carefully.
>
> In the setting of a court of law, it's a slam dunk -
> justifiable homicide.
>
> But, as to eternity...  I'm still reckoning on whether
> or not you're worth it.

Please, no personal remarks ...

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-09-08 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> >> On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>> >> > Well what do I know - I thought the missionaries made them wear these
>> >> > clothes, at least when in the presence of missionaries.  But maybe
>> >> > indeed the native women thought hey I'd look pretty good in that too?
>> >>
>> >> There has to be a reason people still wear them.
>>
>> > The question, K-R-N, is not about its looking good now. Did it
>> > look good to them then? Answer the question carefully, K-R-N.
>>
>> 1) I have no idea.
>> b) Furthermore, I don't care.

> Furthermore? You mean "hence".

Don't tell me what I mean, bitch.

Karen

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 16:29:12 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:

>>02003-09-08 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>>> >> On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>>> >> > Well what do I know - I thought the missionaries made them wear
> these
>>> >> > clothes, at least when in the presence of missionaries.  But maybe
>>> >> > indeed the native women thought hey I'd look pretty good in that
> too?
>>> >>
>>> >> There has to be a reason people still wear them.
>>>
>>> > The question, K-R-N, is not about its looking good now. Did it
>>> > look good to them then? Answer the question carefully, K-R-N.
>>>
>>> 1) I have no idea.
>>> b) Furthermore, I don't care.
>>
>>Furthermore? You mean "hence".

> I think I know Karen well enough to say that, even if she had an idea, she
> wouldn't care.

> Furthermore, so don't I.

Quite true. So don't I!!

Sorry you're sick.

Karen

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> > But, as to eternity...  I'm still reckoning on
> whether
> > or not you're worth it.
>
> Please, no personal remarks ...

Just my inadequate manner of showing sincere affection.

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> > My thought exactly was that this man has leapt over from the
> "Bizarro> Words-L". (a la Seinfeld)
>
> Wrong ... the phrase hit the mainstream after it was used in Buffy.

Well, it actually all started in Superman comics.

The Seinfeld episode was 1996. I don't know about Buffy.

Marie

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Y'all may recall that I took a week off from my scintillating
relationship with stbex to attend the missionary revival known as
Burning Man. Friends, I have been reborn.

OK, not really, not again. In fact, may I say that I felt very good
about not being reborn? In contrast to what other people may feel about
living in a temporary city in the desert for a week with no resources other
than what you can bring in or are given, no sales or bartering, and very few
rules, I didn't have the sense of entering an entirely new world.

I have been young before, and I remember it. I enjoyed the challenges; I
enjoyed the sun and the heat of day and the dust storms and the cold at
night; I enjoyed missing every single freaking party in a city of 30,000+
partiers and rising every morning to watch dawn over the mountains; I loved
volunteering at several sites (in particular driving the jitney - remember
the flame-throwing jitney?) and not doing a single thing I didn't feel like
doing except walking more than my knee wanted me too - I loved it, and I
loved that I can still do it. Most of all I love that I am finally old
enough not to buy into anything that doesn't feel completely natural to me.

Folks, this thing is a hoot. The art is mostly makeshift; but the stuff
that is good is magnificent. My primary camera malfunctioned, leaving me
with 5 shots which I took in a dust storm, 4 of them of the Temple of
Honor, to which I added Alyce's name (unfortunately my 1-use camera didn't
focus well enough that you can see it, but it's there).

<http://web.syr.edu/~clostran/Dreamscape/Temple.htm>

I don't think it subtracts a thing that the temple this year was created of
papier-mache' in a pin~ata factory.

I kept a sort of journal, which I will stick on the page with the pictures
when I am feeling better. Sorry that this is such a pared-down whtm, with
little of sight-seeing interest, but my fever has been rising all day. I
just wanted to get the pictures of the temple up, and let you know that
Alyce was among those honored.

ps, the actual event is documented pretty well at <www.burningman.com>

clo

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> Animadversion is a pretty common word with the Indian (and
> presumably British) press.

If so I would be surprised.  It is a very awkward word
that does nothing but add a jarring note to a sentence.


                         - D. M.

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02003-09-08 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 16:29:12 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
>
> >02003-09-08 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> >> On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> >> >> > Well what do I know - I thought the missionaries made them wear
> >> >> > these clothes, at least when in the presence of missionaries.  But
> >> >> > maybe indeed the native women thought hey I'd look pretty good in
> >> >> > that too?
> >> >>
> >> >> There has to be a reason people still wear them.
> >>
> >> > The question, K-R-N, is not about its looking good now. Did it
> >> > look good to them then? Answer the question carefully, K-R-N.
> >>
> >> 1) I have no idea.
> >> b) Furthermore, I don't care.
> >
> >Furthermore? You mean "hence".
>
> I think I know Karen well enough to say that, even if she had an idea, she
> wouldn't care.
>
> Furthermore, so don't I.

b) Your imagination alarms me.

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02003-09-08 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > > But, as to eternity...  I'm still reckoning on whether
> > > or not you're worth it.
> >
> > Please, no personal remarks ...
>
> Just my inadequate manner of showing sincere affection.

You are weighing between avoiding eternal burning and killing me?
Thank you for the sincere affection.

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02003-09-08 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Monday, September 08, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-09-08 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> >> On Sunday, September 07, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> >> >> > Well what do I know - I thought the missionaries made them wear
> >> >> > these clothes, at least when in the presence of missionaries.  But
> >> >> > maybe indeed the native women thought hey I'd look pretty good in
> >> >> > that too?
> >> >>
> >> >> There has to be a reason people still wear them.
> >>
> >> > The question, K-R-N, is not about its looking good now. Did it
> >> > look good to them then? Answer the question carefully, K-R-N.
> >>
> >> 1) I have no idea.
> >> b) Furthermore, I don't care.
>
> > Furthermore? You mean "hence".
>
> Don't tell me what I mean, bitch.

Apologies--I was telling the rest of the list.

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02003-09-08 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> > Animadversion is a pretty common word with the Indian (and
> > presumably British) press.
>
> If so I would be surprised.  It is a very awkward word
> that does nothing but add a jarring note to a sentence.

Be extremely surprised ... And perhaps it's merely an unfamiliar
word, and is hence at present adding an attention-whisking note
to the sentence. Having read it several times before, I thought
the sentence was not particularly held up by it.

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02003-09-08 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> > > My thought exactly was that this man has leapt over from the
> > "Bizarro> Words-L". (a la Seinfeld)
> >
> > Wrong ... the phrase hit the mainstream after it was used in Buffy.
>
> Well, it actually all started in Superman comics.
>
> The Seinfeld episode was 1996. I don't know about Buffy.

Thank you, library lady.

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In a message dated 9/8/2003 7:57:09 AM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

>Well, I've never seen the movie or read the book, but in Hawaii a lot
>of the interests were economic.
>
>Karen
>
Wake up, Karen please! Theo

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>> Animadversion is a pretty common word with the Indian (and
>> presumably British) press.

> If so I would be surprised.  It is a very awkward word
> that does nothing but add a jarring note to a sentence.

Jarring to you because you don't know it, maybe?

Karen

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Theo Groothof wrote:
> In a message dated 9/8/2003 7:57:09 AM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

>>Well, I've never seen the movie or read the book, but in Hawaii a lot
>>of the interests were economic.
>>
>>Karen
>>
> Wake up, Karen please! Theo

Thank you, Theo. I am awake. It's 5:30pm.

Karen

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Karen:
> b) Furthermore, I don't care.

...which is why you posted about a dozen
messages to this thread?

Come clean.  You care.  You really do.

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> If I were a moose and you were a cow

Aren't female moose also called cows?

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, hominy cricket wrote:
> Karen:
>> b) Furthermore, I don't care.

> ...which is why you posted about a dozen
> messages to this thread?

> Come clean.  You care.  You really do.

Nope. No longer.

Karen

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In a message dated 9/8/2003 10:46:30 AM Central Daylight Time,
14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET writes:
<<
My thought exactly was that this man has leapt over from the "Bizarro
Words-L". (a la Seinfeld)
>>

Or Superman.

If they don't reinstall our cable by tomorrow, I'm calling them to cancel
(I'll really miss Big O and .hack//sign, though) and going to RadioShack
to get a couple of really good rabbit ears.

Evelyn Duncan
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I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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clo:
> Folks, this thing is a hoot.

Urrr...  BM is about as cool as flash mobs.

Or didn't you get that memo?

--
Let's just go ahead and get you another
copy of that memo, O.K.?

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, hominy cricket wrote:
>> If I were a moose and you were a cow

> Aren't female moose also called cows?

Don't know; take it up with Fred or Googol.

Karen

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steph wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor:
> = Bill wrote:
> = >
> = > Who is the moderator of this list?
> =
> = Al Essa.
> =
>
> This Al Essa?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/mlyi  (google groups)

Yep.  That's our Al.  (I do feel grateful to him for starting this
list.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> > Bill wrote:
> > >
> > > Who is the moderator of this list?
> >
> > Al Essa.
>
> Have we been immoderate?

Al thought so.

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In a message dated 9/8/2003 4:56:48 PM Central Daylight Time, 
14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET writes:
<<
The Seinfeld episode was 1996. I don't know about Buffy.

>>

Third-season episode "The Wish" (1999):  Cordelia, angry and
upset over her breakup with Xander, makes a wish, granted
by Anyanka (a vengeance demon), that Buffy had never come
to Sunnydale.  Anyanka grants her wish, and Sunnydale turns
into a vampire party town, with both Xander and Willow becoming
vampires (I LOVE Vamp Willow).

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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> If so I would be surprised.

What surprises me is that there are
still people who read that dessicated
old gnome Safire.

I haven't gotten (hi Roy!) more than
a paragraph deep into any of his pieces
since, like, Reagan was alive.*

Have I missed something?

Seriously.  Is he sentient again?


* Oh, shut up.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >She said "big cities."  As a Starkville resident, she's aware that there
> >aren't many homeless people in small towns.
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> I guess the most desirable place would be a big city with a sand beach.

I read in today's paper that the population density in my old
neighborhood is the same as in NYC.

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They are called cow moose on most of the websites I checked.

This is a story of a particular cow and a particular moose who fell in
love, though.

Karen

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In a message dated 9/8/2003 4:34:25 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

>Thank you, Theo. I am awake. It's 5:30pm.
>
>Karen
>
Sorry Karen.You could have fooled me by the way you've been posting lately.
Theo

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<LAMER>Replying to my own post:</LAMER>
> Seriously.  Is he sentient again?

I am referring to Safire, not Reagan.

RWR has an excuse, Safire doesn't.

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Thanks.

> This is a story of a particular cow and a particular moose who fell in
> love, though.

Moose, oh moose,
Wherefore art thou MOOSE?

I'm guessing most cross-species love
affairs end tragically.

But then, I'm such a mundane.

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Bill wrote:
>
> What makes me think that there is one is that this List has a history, of
> which I am a part.   Several years ago there was another large group of word
> lovers who met here.  The moderator, at that time, began to ban people from
> the list for what he considered were off topic conversational strings.  The
> upshot of that was that we all left Words-L and formed another word group
> which has been thriving.

I think you've got your lists confused.  Even Al Essa in his attempts to
slow-the-flow and make the list on-topic didn't ban people from the
list.  Or at least I have no memory of anything that extreme.  (And the
Al days were a long time ago -- late '80s.  I can't remember the exact
date of when he passed the listownership along to me, but it was no
later than '91 -- late '90 or early '91.)
...

Weird.  Spencer just started barking wildly, and I went to the door and
saw a red jeep-like vehicle in my driveway.  I then found a fat woman at
the front door saying she was with "Premium Somethingorother" and they'd
been making some deliveries here and had some extras that she'd be
willing to sell for a very low price.  I looked blank, and she said, "Do
you like steak?"  I said, "Not really."  She said, "I have one box of
chicken left."  I shook my head and said that I was an
almost-vegetarian.  She was smiling and pleasant and friendly, but I
found the whole experience a bit odd.  Hmm.  Maybe I should've asked her
if she'd like to buy some leftover chunks of salmon.  (I plan to eat one
more chunk tonight and toss the rest.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Theo Groothof wrote:
> In a message dated 9/8/2003 4:34:25 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

>>Thank you, Theo. I am awake. It's 5:30pm.
>>
>>Karen
>>
> Sorry Karen.You could have fooled me by the way you've been posting lately.

Your judgement cuts me to the quick, Theo.

Karen

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, hominy cricket wrote:
>> This is a story of a particular cow and a particular moose who fell in
>> love, though.

> Moose, oh moose,
> Wherefore art thou MOOSE?

I saw "The Complete Works of William Shakespeare ABRIDGED" the other
night, and the actor who played Juliet rather looked like a Moose.

> I'm guessing most cross-species love
> affairs end tragically.

No comment.

> But then, I'm such a mundane.

Indeed. An animadvertiginous mundane!!!!

Karen

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> On Monday, September 08, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> >> Animadversion is a pretty common word with the Indian (and
> >> presumably British) press.
>
> > If so I would be surprised.  It is a very awkward word
> > that does nothing but add a jarring note to a sentence.
>
> Jarring to you because you don't know it, maybe?
>
> Karen
>

No.  It stopped me cold because as I read I am really reading aloud in
my mind, and this
word tripped up the tongue and totally caused
me to lose interest in the sentence.

           - D. M.

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Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> > the list for what he considered were off topic conversational strings.  The
> > upshot of that was that we all left Words-L and formed another word group
> > which has been thriving.
>
> oh good, more signs of an alternate universe.

What this does sound very much like was the Folklore/Lore lists.  When
Mark Whatshisname -- abht knows him -- he's at Panam -- got all uptight
about off-topic postings on Folklore, a bunch of us "list gypsies" (as
we were called back then) left and formed Lore.  Bernardykins was the
first subscriber to Lore.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> Lynne Weber wrote:
> >
> > > Bill wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Who is the moderator of this list?
> > >
> > > Al Essa.
> >
> > Have we been immoderate?
>
> Al thought so.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

5 posts per day ???  Did someone really
come up with that, seriously?

               - D. M.

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> 5 posts per day ???  Did someone really
> come up with that, seriously?

Yes, but that was a loooooooooooooooong time ago.

Karen

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One change I want to make when I move is to move from UT DSL to Comcast
DSL. Everyone who has used both says Comcast is superior. And it is
much less expensive. UT charges me $54.27 a month (right now, that
includes modem rental at about $5 per month). I have my own modem now, and
Comcast will charge me $24.95 per month until March, then $42.95 per
month.

I assume that I will be able to have mail forwarded from one account
to another as I want to. Right?

Bethany

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Karen Kay wrote:

> We have never had a moderator.

Yes we have.  Al Essa was moderator during the brief time that Words-L
was a moderated list.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> We have never had a moderator.

> Yes we have.  Al Essa was moderator during the brief time that Words-L
> was a moderated list.

Really? He individually approved posts? I don't remember that at all.

Karen

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> > > Thank you.  I don't need to chase the url.  I trust your reading
> > of it.
>
> I don't. It says:
> _________________________________
>
> Can I freeze my smoked seafood?
> Our smoked seafood packaged under vacuum can be frozen if unopened. The eating

My packages were opened.  I depackaged the salmon an hour or so before
the party, wrapped it up and put it in the refrigerator, then piled it
onto a platter when the party started, then took the leftover after the
party and put it in the refrigerator in baggies (or rather zip-lock
bags).  There was not supposed to be any leftover.  People were expected
to consume a whole package each.  But the chunks really were pretty
large, so I guess I'm not surprised that some people took only half a
chunk.

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Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> > Is it ok to freeze smoked salmon?  I had bought fifteen chunks of
> > it for
> > the fifteen people -- those separately packaged chunks in grocery
> > stores-- I've forgotten the brand name on them, and those packages
> > are outside
> > in nasty garbage now.
>
> Chunks?

Yes, chunks.  Or globs?  Or hunks?  It's a hefty piece of salmon in an
individual package.  I'm sure these must be common in other grocery
stores.  The out-of-town guest who came up with this idea serves it in
Virginia.  And it's for sale in Starkville.  I wish I still had a
package to read the labeling on.  But they are in the landfill now.
Today was garbage day.
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Crap.  I will be deemed responsible for this food-fight even though all
I did was ask a simple question.

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Paul Barfoot wrote:
>
> It's a song not a poem, but the first thing that came to my mind is Fred Small's "Cranes Over Hiroshima"
>
> Here are the lyrics
>
> ARTIST: Fred SmallTITLE: Cranes Over HiroshimaThe baby blinks her eyes as the sun falls from the skyShe feels the stings of a thousand fires as the city around her diesSome sleep beneath the rubble, some wake to a different worldFrom the crying babe will grow a laughing girlTen summers fade to autumn, ten winters' snows have passedShe's a child of dreams and dances, she's a racer strong and fastBut the headaches come ever more often and the dizziness always returnsAnd the word that she hears is leukemia and it burns{Refrain}Cranes over Hiroshima, white and red and goldFlicker in the sunlight like a million vanished soulsI will fold these cranes of paper to a thousand one by oneAnd I'll fly away when I'm doneHer ancestors knew the legend - if you make a thousand cranesFrom squares of colored paper, it will take the pain awayWith loving hands she folds them, 6 hundred 44Till the morning her stumbling fingers can't fold anymore{Refrain}Her friends did not forget her - crane after crane
> they madeUntil they reached a thousand and laid them upon her gravePeople from everywhere gathered, together a prayer they saidAnd they wrote the words in granite so none can forget:This is our cry, this is our prayer, peace in the worldThis is our cry, this is our prayer, peace in the worldThis is our cry

I suddenly can't remember her name!  The above lyrics aren't fictional.
She was a real human being, around my age -- except that I am now sixty
and she died at twelve.  Why?

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Geez, Natalie, if I can't count on you to tell me little details, what
> can I count on?

But I did, didn't I?  I have actually been way busier than any retired
person should be and have been reading list mail sketchily.  One problem
is that my retirement hobbies have been growing while I'm still
teaching.  I've got a meeting tomorrow afternoon of the ARF board and
have to do vice-presidentish things, I've got a meeting of the Friends
of the Library Board sometime soon (need to look at my calendar to see
when), I've gotten a phone message and a snail-mail letter from an
elderly new-found cousin in my bastard line -- he's legitimate -- I'm in
the bastard line -- the Wheelers -- wanting me to come to a Wheeler
reunion the end of this month and stay in his guest apartment, etc. etc.
etc.  Life is way too FULL.

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> 02003-09-07 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > I tried to sleep on a beach on Lake Michigan once and was driven back to
> > my cabin by sand fleas.

I think I missed this earlier.  You noticed the sand fleas at the moment
they were doing their thing?  I ask because my main sand-flea experience
involved <illicit sex on a beach> a long time ago, and the sand-flea
bites weren't noticeable until the next day.

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>From the error queue:

> I can't find any of this anywhere. Did it all occur in the parallel
> Hawaiian shirt universe?

Geez, Natalie, if I can't count on you to tell me little details, what
can I count on? Next thing I know, Tushar will welcome me back with
delight and Lynne will swear!

I'm a little more back than I was, but now I have both strep and sinus
infection, so no triumph goes unpunished.

clo


Apologies for not properly citing the reference first time around.
-c

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 20:22:48 -0400
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for all the birthday wishes.

I've got a long ways to go to match Natalie's 94 year old friend.  She
looks wonderful.

Natalie, glad to hear your luncheon was a success.  I say freeze the salmon
and use before the end of the month.

Terry

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> One change I want to make when I move is to move from UT DSL to Comcast
> DSL. Everyone who has used both says Comcast is superior. And it is
> much less expensive. UT charges me $54.27 a month (right now, that
> includes modem rental at about $5 per month). I have my own modem now, and
> Comcast will charge me $24.95 per month until March, then $42.95 per
> month.

Is Comcast DSL, or is it cable?  If people there say that Comcast is
better, go with it.  Whether DSL or cable is better is highly regional.
As for your UT DSL, it's almost certainly really BellSouth (assuming
you're in the BellSouth region), with UT as your middle-person.  You
could have done slightly better with just straight BellSouth.  Here you
can choose to have DSL via various ISPs, but it's all BellSouth.  The
ISPs are just middle-people.  With straight BellSouth it's $50 a month
and a free modem (if their free-modem offer is on, which I think it
always is).  But none of that is the issue if you're changing to
Comcast.

> I assume that I will be able to have mail forwarded from one account
> to another as I want to. Right?

I don't think I fully understand your question here.  What accounts are
you talking about?  You can have mail forwarded from any account that is
currently active to any other account, afaik.  But if you're planning on
continuing to use a particular account, just keep using it.  Your
connection doesn't matter except for outgoing mail.  BellSouth is my
connection when I'm at home, which means (in these tacky days that
replaced the good-ole days when you could choose any outgoing mailserver
you wanted to) that my outgoing mail is all via the BellSouth outgoing
mailserver.  But none of my incoming mail has anything to do with
BellSouth.  (I did, of course, automatically get a BellSouth account
when I got the DSL, but I immediately set it to forward to my
ra.msstate.edu account, and I get no mail to the BellSouth address
except possible BellSouth-related mail.)

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On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 14:33:41 -0700, Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> wrote:

>Just the muu-muu, in Hawaii, you-u stupid boy.

If you're interested simply in the clothing issue, I can send you an
article on the origin and development of the holoku that might be
illuminating. The article is a bit bogged down in the author's attempt to
infuse theory into the issue (how else to get it published in an academic
journal?), but there is interesting stuff in it.

Today's mu'umu'u is an outer garment, but the original was a kind of slip
intended to be worn under the holoku, the design of which has changed
significantly over the years.

There is plenty to be said about missionary influence if one has the time
to do so. I don't right now. There's a very substantial literature for
anyone who care to explore it. I will say that I don't buy any notion of
missionaries having a whole indigenous population locked in their control.
In Hawaii, at least, the situation was much more complex than that. A good
starting survey of Hawaii's history is Gavan Daws's Shoal of Time.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> 5 posts per day ???  Did someone really
> come up with that, seriously?

It was 2 posts a day for a while.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >> We have never had a moderator.
>
> > Yes we have.  Al Essa was moderator during the brief time that Words-L
> > was a moderated list.
>
> Really? He individually approved posts? I don't remember that at all.

That was a very, very brief period.  It was in late '89, I think.  He
approved the posts and lumped them together in something sort of like a
listserv digest format.

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> >> We have never had a moderator.
>>
>> > Yes we have.  Al Essa was moderator during the brief time that Words-L
>> > was a moderated list.
>>
>> Really? He individually approved posts? I don't remember that at all.

> That was a very, very brief period.  It was in late '89, I think.  He
> approved the posts and lumped them together in something sort of like a
> listserv digest format.

Blech.

Karen

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Terry Wild wrote:

> Natalie, glad to hear your luncheon was a success.  I say freeze the salmon
> and use before the end of the month.

I ate another chunk of it tonight.  These chunks really are quite
hefty.  There's no way I could eat more than one.  I'll worry tomorrow
about what to do with what's still left.

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Here are a couple of teasers from the forthcoming Ruthless Interrogation
encounter with Adam Brodsky.  (well the first part won't be part of the
published interview, in any event).  Since this was the longest interview to
date, significant parts won't be published in print. I'll post those here as
a words-l exclusive once the C-J has published the rest.

By the way, I now believe that Ms. Borkin's inadvertent "nosh pit" was not
new humor.  I carefully led Brodsky in the right direction, and he leapt
nimbly, and without prompting, right into the breach, as you will see below.

First excerpt:

I should mention to you that I’m a friend of Adam Hartfield.

Oh, I love Adam Hartfeld.  I call him Adam Hartfeld cuz he used to be
Jewish..

Used to be?

Well, his ancestors were sort of, I think, he’s half Jewish on a side that
converted to get away from the Nazis.  His grandfather just died I guess
about a year ago but up until then he was receiving a settlement check from
the German government.   Adam’s a Nields fan.  Everybody has an Achilles
heel, a tragic flaw.  With Macbeth it was ambition.  With Adam it’s that he
likes the Nields.

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Second excerpt:


What is anti-folk?

It's where punk rock and folk meet.  It’s punk without the Marshall stacks
and folk without the wussies.  Like Dee Dee Ramone goes drinking with Woody
Guthrie and Moses Asch records the conversation.  It’s all the best parts of
punk rock and folk music. The things they have in common are the
do-it-yourself ethos, the fact that you don’t have to be a virtuoso, the
fact that you should have something really important to say.  Anti-folk
takes all those and ignores all the big bloated things that make punk and
folk music intolerable these days.

If you’re playing folk-punk, is there moshing at your shows?

Well, there’s no moshing per se, but at my shows there’s a nosh pit.

What’s a nosh pit?

It’s just like a mosh pit, except that there’s prune Danish.

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I screwed up my back on the golf course this mornig, but that's not as bad
as messing up your back and God help you if you fuck up your back.

Larry

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Thanks, Natalie. I don't even know the terminology yet, I see. I thought
both cable and DSL were DSL.

I have BellSouth through UT - and a UT address.

Comcast tells me I will have a comcast.net address.

>> I assume that I will be able to have mail forwarded from one account
>> to another as I want to. Right?
>
>I don't think I fully understand your question here.

I will have a comcast.net address and a utk.edu address. Will I be able to
have mail forwarded from one to another?

>you talking about?  You can have mail forwarded from any account that is
>currently active to any other account, afaik.  But if you're planning on
>continuing to use a particular account, just keep using it.  Your
>connection doesn't matter except for outgoing mail.

Does that mean that everyone will get mail from me at comcast.net -  even
when I am using my ut account?

Bethany

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IOW, am I going to have to check two mail accounts all the time to make
certain I am getting all my mail? That sounds like a real nuisance.

Bethany

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> Does that mean that everyone will get mail from me at comcast.net -  even
> when I am using my ut account?

It depends on how you have your e-mail set up. If you intend to POP
mail, you can set your mailer to say you're sending mail from wherever
you want it to say. I have two major accounts set up in The Bat! (my
mailer), one for my wordwrite.com, and one for my ISP.

Karen

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>the actor who played Juliet rather looked like a Moose.

The animal or the fraternal order?

> > But then, I'm such a mundane.
> Indeed. An animadvertiginous mundane!!!!

Right, I can use either hand to do most things.

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In a message dated 9/8/2003 7:56:49 PM Central Daylight Time,
lgclark@COMCAST.NET writes:
<<
I screwed up my back on the golf course this mornig, but that's not as bad
as messing up your back and God help you if you fuck up your back.


>>

It still hurts, though.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> IOW, am I going to have to check two mail accounts all the time to make
> certain I am getting all my mail? That sounds like a real nuisance.

Why?

In any case, if both accounts are active, you can generally have
e-mail forwarded, but I would think this would ultimately be
confusing.

Karen

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> By the way, I now believe that Ms. Borkin's inadvertent "nosh pit" was not
> new humor.

I love it when The Borkinator is trite...

Karen

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OK, maybe I have come over from Bizarro Land. How many people are on this
list?  You all sound as if you've known each other for a while.  Where is
everyone living?  What do you do with your time?    Have you ever shared
bios?

Bill from Bizarro Land


----- Original Message -----
From: "Natalie Maynor" <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
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> "Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >
> > One change I want to make when I move is to move from UT DSL to Comcast
> > DSL. Everyone who has used both says Comcast is superior. And it is
> > much less expensive. UT charges me $54.27 a month (right now, that
> > includes modem rental at about $5 per month). I have my own modem now,
and
> > Comcast will charge me $24.95 per month until March, then $42.95 per
> > month.
>
> Is Comcast DSL, or is it cable?  If people there say that Comcast is
> better, go with it.  Whether DSL or cable is better is highly regional.
> As for your UT DSL, it's almost certainly really BellSouth (assuming
> you're in the BellSouth region), with UT as your middle-person.  You
> could have done slightly better with just straight BellSouth.  Here you
> can choose to have DSL via various ISPs, but it's all BellSouth.  The
> ISPs are just middle-people.  With straight BellSouth it's $50 a month
> and a free modem (if their free-modem offer is on, which I think it
> always is).  But none of that is the issue if you're changing to
> Comcast.
>
> > I assume that I will be able to have mail forwarded from one account
> > to another as I want to. Right?
>
> I don't think I fully understand your question here.  What accounts are
> you talking about?  You can have mail forwarded from any account that is
> currently active to any other account, afaik.  But if you're planning on
> continuing to use a particular account, just keep using it.  Your
> connection doesn't matter except for outgoing mail.  BellSouth is my
> connection when I'm at home, which means (in these tacky days that
> replaced the good-ole days when you could choose any outgoing mailserver
> you wanted to) that my outgoing mail is all via the BellSouth outgoing
> mailserver.  But none of my incoming mail has anything to do with
> BellSouth.  (I did, of course, automatically get a BellSouth account
> when I got the DSL, but I immediately set it to forward to my
> ra.msstate.edu account, and I get no mail to the BellSouth address
> except possible BellSouth-related mail.)
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, hominy cricket wrote:
>>the actor who played Juliet rather looked like a Moose.

> The animal or the fraternal order?

Either.

>> > But then, I'm such a mundane.
>> Indeed. An animadvertiginous mundane!!!!

> Right, I can use either hand to do most things.

I get it!!! You and My Sweet Polenta were switched at birth!

Karen

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> Let's just go ahead and get you another
> copy of that memo, O.K.?

I already have three copies of the memo!

--Adam, who works across the aisle from a real-life Corporate Accounts
Payable, Nina Speaking
adamh1@comcast.net

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> Thanks, Natalie. I don't even know the terminology yet, I see. I thought
> both cable and DSL were DSL.

No, they're not.  But I heard something not long ago that led me to
believe that the cable people and the DSL people were bonding somehow.
I'm sure the techies and business types on the list can give better word
on all this.  But the price difference you mentioned makes it pretty
clear to me that you're not talking about the same animal.  (As I think
I said earlier, which animal is better varies by locality.  If people
there who have had both say that cable is better, that's a wise choice
to make.  Here DSL is much better.)

> I have BellSouth through UT - and a UT address.
>
> Comcast tells me I will have a comcast.net address.

That's not surprising.  When I got BellSouth's DSL, I got a
bellsouth.net address.  I've never used it for anything, though.
There's no reason for you to use the comcast address unless you want to
for some reason.  Ditto if you had DSL via BellSouth.  You could still
use your UT address.

> I will have a comcast.net address and a utk.edu address. Will I be able to
> have mail forwarded from one to another?

Yes.  Just set a .forward file on whichever one you don't want to use.

> >you talking about?  You can have mail forwarded from any account that is
> >currently active to any other account, afaik.  But if you're planning on
> >continuing to use a particular account, just keep using it.  Your
> >connection doesn't matter except for outgoing mail.
>
> Does that mean that everyone will get mail from me at comcast.net -  even
> when I am using my ut account?

No.  If you're using your UT account via telnet -- as in you're logging
onto the server and using Unix mailx or Pine or whatever, then that's
where you are -- your mail goes from there.  If you're using popmail,
then you set the 'from' address to whatever you want it to be.  All of
my outgoing mail from home goes out via bellsouth.net, but no recipient
is aware of that unless somebody is into sniffing carefully through full
headers or whatever.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> What this does sound very much like was the Folklore/Lore lists.  When
> Mark Whatshisname -- abht knows him -- he's at Panam -- got all uptight
> about off-topic postings on Folklore, a bunch of us "list gypsies" (as
> we were called back then) left and formed Lore.  Bernardykins was the
> first subscriber to Lore.

I sort-of remember that. I remember that it was through Folklore-L that I
found Words-L. I joined Folklore right before it died.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:

>Here are a couple of teasers from the forthcoming Ruthless Interrogation

etc. LOL!

Thanks,
Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> IOW, am I going to have to check two mail accounts all the time to make
> certain I am getting all my mail? That sounds like a real nuisance.

There's no reason to do that unless you want to.  I do check two
addresses regularly because I intentionally have my mail divided between
them.  But I certainly don't have to do it that way.  And I have various
other addresses (including the automatically provided bellsouth.net
address) that I never have reason to check.  I have .forward files on
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Unless you tell somebody about that comcast address, the only reason it
might be used would be if Comcast sent you e-mail.

--
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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> "Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>> Thanks, Natalie. I don't even know the terminology yet, I see. I thought
>> both cable and DSL were DSL.

> No, they're not.  But I heard something not long ago that led me to
> believe that the cable people and the DSL people were bonding somehow.

They are both broadband.

> Yes.  Just set a .forward file on whichever one you don't want to use.

This assumes that she has shell access on comcast.net, which I believe
is a faulty assumption. She'll have to find out from her ISP or
another user how to forward mail.

Karen

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On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>It depends on how you have your e-mail set up. If you intend to POP
>mail, you can set your mailer to say you're sending mail from wherever
>you want it to say. I have two major accounts set up in The Bat! (my
>mailer), one for my wordwrite.com, and one for my ISP.

I aspire to know what POP mail is - I still don't get it.

Bethany

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On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> IOW, am I going to have to check two mail accounts all the time to make
>> certain I am getting all my mail? That sounds like a real nuisance.
>
>Why?

Because it will take a lot of extra time.

Bethany

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 21:21:10 -0400
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--On Monday, September 08, 2003 5:55 PM -0700 Larry Clark
<lgclark@comcast.net> wrote:

> I screwed up my back on the golf course this mornig


Ouch!  Hope it is better before your trip!

Terry

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> On Monday, September 08, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> > IOW, am I going to have to check two mail accounts all the time to make
> > certain I am getting all my mail? That sounds like a real nuisance.
>
> Why?

Why what?  Why a nuisance?  It would be a nuisance if she didn't have a
particular reason to want to check two accounts.

> In any case, if both accounts are active, you can generally have
> e-mail forwarded, but I would think this would ultimately be
> confusing.

Why confusing?  I see nothing confusing about that or about Bethany's
situation.  There's no reason for her ever to use that comcast address
for anything.  I would go on and set a .forward file on it in case the
Comcast people sent e-mail for some reason.  But otherwise there's no
reason for comcast.net to be part of her e-life at all, even though
that's the outgoing mailserver.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> OK, maybe I have come over from Bizarro Land. How many people are on
this
> list?  You all sound as if you've known each other for a while.  Where
is
> everyone living?  What do you do with your time?    Have you ever
shared
> bios?
>
> Bill from Bizarro Land

When I was new to the list in about 1996 or so I had trouble sorting
everyone out so I wrote backchannel to one of the members and started
asking questions.  He very nicely wrote back and told me the fun of
Words-L was in discovering each person as I read the posts
and that I should relax and PAY ATTENTION.  So I did and sooner or later
I knew where each person was from originally,
what he/she did for a living, what he/she had for family, what he/she
enjoyed and didn't enjoy, etc.  I came to see that it was more fun this
way than reading their biographies.

But I mention this just to pass along one train of thought, one that may
move slower but is
fairly reliable.

                               - D. M.

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On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Bill wrote:

>OK, maybe I have come over from Bizarro Land. How many people are on this
>list?  You all sound as if you've known each other for a while.  Where is
>everyone living?  What do you do with your time?    Have you ever shared
>bios?

No, you have arrived in Bizarro Land. I have no idea how many of us there
are. Everyone lives all over - we have yankees and damnyankees and rebels
and allsortsofpeople and wannabe allsortsofthings. We spend much of our
time right here, though, as someone said earlier, we do take sabbaticals
(well, that's not actually what they said, but that's what I take), and we
would not dream of sharing any but fake bios.

Bethany

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> I aspire to know what POP mail is - I still don't get it.

Most non-U ISPs won't let you touch their servers. You have to suck
your mail off their mail server in order to read it. One protocol for
sucking is POP.

Karen

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>>> IOW, am I going to have to check two mail accounts all the time to make
>>> certain I am getting all my mail? That sounds like a real nuisance.
>>
>>Why?

> Because it will take a lot of extra time.

I don't think it does. For me, it just takes remembering. It's not
like you have to dial up and log in--you're already connected.

Karen

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> In any case, if both accounts are active, you can generally have
>> e-mail forwarded, but I would think this would ultimately be
>> confusing.

> Why confusing?  I see nothing confusing about that or about Bethany's
> situation.  There's no reason for her ever to use that comcast address
> for anything.  I would go on and set a .forward file on it in case the
> Comcast people sent e-mail for some reason.  But otherwise there's no
> reason for comcast.net to be part of her e-life at all, even though
> that's the outgoing mailserver.

Ah. This wasn't clear to me. I thought she'd want to know where her
e-mail was coming from.

Karen

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Dare I ask where I put a .forward file once I figure out how to compose
- or is that <render>? - one?

Bethany

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> > If I were a moose and you were a cow
>
> Aren't female moose also called cows?

You are ruining the poeticality of the whole tone
poem, slashing through the tender, romantic thread.
How could you be so banal?


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Bill wrote:
>
> OK, maybe I have come over from Bizarro Land. How many people are on this
> list?

You can get a general idea by sending the 'rev words-l' command to
listserv@listserv.uga.edu.  But there are subscribers who are lurkers or
on nomail, so it's not a totally clear answer.

> You all sound as if you've known each other for a while.

Many of us have, but we have newbies who quickly become <one of us>.
Clo was a newbie not long ago.  And Lynne is a natural-born Meeber even
though she didn't show up here until what -- a few months ago?

>  Where is
> everyone living?

Do we have online a picture of that first list t-shirt -- the one with
the map and the dots?  It would be out of date now, of course, but it
would still be neat to have it online.  If looking at numbers of
Wordslers, the USA is dominant.  But certain <pillars> of the list are
in other countries -- Tony in Canada, Espen in Norway, Steph (though a
USAer) in The Netherlands, to name those who post fairly regularly.  We
also have Kristin in Estonia, who goes through flurries of actively
posting, Roy in England, who is a long-time Wordsler but is quiet,
Carolyn in Australia, who has been too quiet for too long (SAY
SOMETHING, CAROLYN WOMBAT), Lucia in Italy, who is off and on in her
presence here, and assorted others.

> What do you do with your time?

Read Words-L.

>  Have you ever shared
> bios?

Yes:  ftp://ftp.msstate.edu/docs/words-l/List-Stuff/bios

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Is one of the Dummies books good for learning stuff like what I am asking
about tonight? I lived through main frames and SOS and mail and early
desktops and DOS and early laptops, but I really do not know exactly what
shells and POP accounts are or whether I have them. I read most mail in
pine, but go to webmail if I have to deal with attachments (which all UT
administrators seem enamoured of - why I don't know - very few messages
actually need to be  anything more than plain text messages, I think). I
am thinking of installing Eudora - that's POP, right? I used for a while
many years ago. I do not like to have to download mail as a matter of
course, though.

Bethany

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Did some moron actually advise you to "relax and pay attention"?!?  One
might do so in a convent, but it seems like a bad way to proceed here.  Now
I finally understand that you've been laboring under a serious misconception
for seven years or so.  I urge you forthwith to, albeit belatedly, start
ignoring this pathetic, feeble-minded advice. My advice is to get tense, and
ignore everybody.

>From: Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM>

>When I was new to the list in about 1996 or so I had trouble sorting
>everyone out so I wrote backchannel to one of the members and started
>asking questions.  He very nicely wrote back and told me the fun of
>Words-L was in discovering each person as I read the posts
>and that I should relax and PAY ATTENTION.  So I did and sooner or later
>I knew where each person was from originally,
>what he/she did for a living, what he/she had for family, what he/she
>enjoyed and didn't enjoy, etc.  I came to see that it was more fun this
>way than reading their biographies.
>
>But I mention this just to pass along one train of thought, one that may
>move slower but is
>fairly reliable.
>
>                                - D. M.

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--- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> They are called cow moose on most of the websites I
> checked.
>
> This is a story of a particular cow and a particular
> moose who fell in
> love, though.


It's about a pair/couple who MAY be moose and cow.
QOSS will jump your bones re:conditional verb forms.

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On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>Most non-U ISPs won't let you touch their servers. You have to suck
>your mail off their mail server in order to read it. One protocol for
>sucking is POP.

That helps. Maybe I will forget Eudora. I do NOT like to have to suck
mail.

Bethany

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On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>Ah. This wasn't clear to me. I thought she'd want to know where her
>e-mail was coming from.

Well, I want to know who the sender is, of course - but routing does not
much matter to me. I like the convenience of simply checking occasionally
as I am working to see what else has come in. At UT, I am connected via
ethernet all the time I am working.

Bethany

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Pish.  I hope he pays no attention to this post, which is pretty obviously a
clever attempt at proselytization.  Next you'll be inviting him to a house
blessing or an exorcism or some other of your cult's ritual activities.

>From: "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU>

>No, you have arrived in Bizarro Land. I have no idea how many of us there
>are. Everyone lives all over - we have yankees and damnyankees and rebels
>and allsortsofpeople and wannabe allsortsofthings. We spend much of our
>time right here, though, as someone said earlier, we do take sabbaticals
>(well, that's not actually what they said, but that's what I take), and we
>would not dream of sharing any but fake bios.
>
>Bethany

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> >  Have you ever shared
> > bios?
>
> Yes:  ftp://ftp.msstate.edu/docs/words-l/List-Stuff/bios

Oh, mine made me puke. I was insufferable!

--Adam
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I think if you're a dummy these books are just right for you.

>From: "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU>
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>Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 21:25:18 -0400
>
>Is one of the Dummies books good for learning stuff like what I am asking
>about tonight? I lived through main frames and SOS and mail and early
>desktops and DOS and early laptops, but I really do not know exactly what
>shells and POP accounts are or whether I have them. I read most mail in
>pine, but go to webmail if I have to deal with attachments (which all UT
>administrators seem enamoured of - why I don't know - very few messages
>actually need to be  anything more than plain text messages, I think). I
>am thinking of installing Eudora - that's POP, right? I used for a while
>many years ago. I do not like to have to download mail as a matter of
>course, though.
>
>Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >It depends on how you have your e-mail set up. If you intend to POP
> >mail, you can set your mailer to say you're sending mail from wherever
> >you want it to say. I have two major accounts set up in The Bat! (my
> >mailer), one for my wordwrite.com, and one for my ISP.
>
> I aspire to know what POP mail is - I still don't get it.

If you aspire to know, we can tell you.  But you might be jumping into
more things than you need to right now.  You can almost certainly
continue to read your e-mail via a Comcast connection the same way you
are reading it now.  How do you read it now?  What mail-reading program
do you use?  If you use Unix mailx or Pine or elm, you can simply telnet
to the server you normally go to and continue your life exactly as it is
now.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> Is one of the Dummies books good for learning stuff like what I am asking
> about tonight?

Don't know, sorry.

> I lived through main frames and SOS and mail and early
> desktops and DOS and early laptops, but I really do not know exactly what
> shells and POP accounts are or whether I have them. I read most mail in
> pine but go to webmail if I have to deal with attachments (which all UT
> administrators seem enamoured of - why I don't know - very few messages
> actually need to be  anything more than plain text messages, I think). I
> am thinking of installing Eudora - that's POP, right? I used for a while
> many years ago. I do not like to have to download mail as a matter of
> course, though.

Yes, Eudora is POP.

I don't know what to tell you. Downloading all mail as a matter of
course is how it's done these days. I resisted it for many years
myself, but now I've gotten used to it.

I'm surprised that only UT administrators use attachments--I would
have thought a lot of your legal stuff was attachments, too.
Attachments are easy, that's why people use them. And you can control
formatting.

Karen

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One must confess that at least one of the bios was honest and accurate;


>From: Adam Hartfield <adamh1@COMCAST.NET>

>
>Oh, mine made me puke. I was insufferable!
>
>--Adam
>adamh1@comcast.net

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> That helps. Maybe I will forget Eudora. I do NOT like to have to suck
> mail.

Why? It takes up very little space. And it is how things are done in
the 21st century.

Karen

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Is this an excerpt from a "dummies" book?  It inspires similar confidence.

>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>If you aspire to know, we can tell you.  But you might be jumping into
>more things than you need to right now.  You can almost certainly
>continue to read your e-mail via a Comcast connection the same way you
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>do you use?  If you use Unix mailx or Pine or elm, you can simply telnet
>to the server you normally go to and continue your life exactly as it is
>now.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> Well, I want to know who the sender is, of course - but routing does not
> much matter to me.

Ah. I filter by the address the e-mail is sent to.

> I like the convenience of simply checking occasionally
> as I am working to see what else has come in. At UT, I am connected via
> ethernet all the time I am working.

You can do this with POPmail. The Bat! flies when there is new mail,
so I like it best.

Karen

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Who am I?  Referee between Ninja Kitty and Daisy, the DestructoDog.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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Indeed?  It seems premature to make such bold statements about a century
that's barely underway.


>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>Why? It takes up very little space. And it is how things are done in
>the 21st century.
>
>Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > No, they're not.  But I heard something not long ago that led me to
> > believe that the cable people and the DSL people were bonding somehow.
>
> They are both broadband.

Of course.  But I mean I heard something more <intimate> -- something
local, I think, like how the cable people and the telephone people were
about to merge somehow.

> > Yes.  Just set a .forward file on whichever one you don't want to use.
>
> This assumes that she has shell access on comcast.net, which I believe
> is a faulty assumption. She'll have to find out from her ISP or
> another user how to forward mail.

Of course.  But it will be a .forward file almost certainly, whether she
creates it directly or indirectly.  My point was that there is no need
to worry -- that she can have her mail forwarded to wherever.  And she
is not likely to have to "find out from her ISP or another user" except
in the sense that she looks at the screen and sees the mechanism.  I
can't log on to the BellSouth server, afaik, but finding the
mail-forwarding mechanism was a no-brainer.  I logged onto the site,
looked at the options, filled in the blank for forwarding mail.  What I
filled in was no doubt automatically turned into a .forward file on the
bellsouth server.

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> --- Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
>> They are called cow moose on most of the websites I
>> checked.
>>
>> This is a story of a particular cow and a particular
>> moose who fell in
>> love, though.


> It's about a pair/couple who MAY be moose and cow.

Well, the song is conditional, but the story is not.

> QOSS will jump your bones re:conditional verb forms.

It's OQOSS. And I doubt it.

Karen

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> It was 2 posts a day for a while.


There is a Crim Justice variety that is two posts per day.

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> > Yes:  ftp://ftp.msstate.edu/docs/words-l/List-Stuff/bios
>
>Oh, mine made me puke. I was insufferable!
>--Adam

You were going to be a graduate student and, sadly, you didn't even finish
the BA.  And what's with Lisa Alfieri having an ex BOY friend??   Things
sure do change in 12 years.


bonnie

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> Dare I ask where I put a .forward file once I figure out how to compose
> - or is that <render>? - one?

See above.  Once you get your Comcast account, you can follow their
instructions for what will turn into a .forward file.  Of if you for
some reason you prefer to quit using your UT address, just log onto the
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Adam Hartfield wrote:

>>> Have you ever shared
>>>bios?
>>>
>>Yes:  ftp://ftp.msstate.edu/docs/words-l/List-Stuff/bios
>>
>
> Oh, mine made me puke. I was insufferable!


        Tee hee.  What a blast from the past.  We were so young!

        I'd like to hereby announce what Words-L is good for:  I am
beyond fully prepared for graduate philosophy courses.  I
can out-question and talk around and manipulate everyone!
They'd last 30 seconds here. I have learned from the best.



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 I will say that I
> don't buy any notion of
> missionaries having a whole indigenous population
> locked in their control.
> In Hawaii, at least, the situation was much more
> complex than that. A good
> starting survey of Hawaii's history is Gavan Daws's
> Shoal of Time.

The more I read, it seems to me, the weaker the
strangle hold appears to have been.  Over and over,
the missionaries are "permitted" to do this, "allowed"
to do that.

It would also seem that missionaries were the first to
get the Hawaiian language into written form.


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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> On Monday, September 08, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> > I aspire to know what POP mail is - I still don't get it.
>
> Most non-U ISPs won't let you touch their servers. You have to suck
> your mail off their mail server in order to read it. One protocol for
> sucking is POP.

But there is no particular need for her to use her non-U ISP's
mail-service.  She can continue to telnet to her UT account.

--
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>
>
>>>No, they're not.  But I heard something not long ago that led me to
>>>believe that the cable people and the DSL people were bonding somehow.
>>>
>>They are both broadband.
>>
>
> Of course.  But I mean I heard something more <intimate> -- something
> local, I think, like how the cable people and the telephone people were
> about to merge somehow.


        No.  They're at each other's throats.  The very suggestion
would cause several heart attacks at the mandatory Public
Action Committee meetings my darling attends at work.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> On Monday, September 08, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> > On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>> IOW, am I going to have to check two mail accounts all the time to make
> >>> certain I am getting all my mail? That sounds like a real nuisance.
> >>
> >>Why?
>
> > Because it will take a lot of extra time.
>
> I don't think it does. For me, it just takes remembering. It's not
> like you have to dial up and log in--you're already connected.

But there's no reason for Bethany to do that unless she prefers to
separate her mail into two accounts.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Here's Kenneth Rexroth in a Williams-like mode:

Between Two Wars

Remember that breakfast one November -
Cold black grapes smelling faintly
Of the cork they were packed in,
Hard rolls with hot, white flesh,
And thick, honey sweetened chocolate?
And the parties at night; the gin and the tangos?
The torn hair nets, the lost cuff links?
Where have they all gone to,
The beautiful girls, the abandoned hours?
They said we were lost, mad and immoral,
And interfered with the plans of the management.
And today, millions and millions, shut alive
In the coffins of circumstance,
Beat on the buried lids,
Huddle in the cellars of ruins, and quarrel
Over their own fragmented flesh.

>From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET>
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>
>Of course I know the William Carlos Williams poem but I didn't know the
>Kenneth Koch answer.
>
>William Carlos Williams: "This is just to say":
>
> > >> I have eaten
> > >> the plums
> > >> that were in
> > >> the icebox
> > >>
> > >> and which
> > >> you were probably
> > >> saving
> > >> for breakfast
> > >>
> > >> Forgive me
> > >> they were delicious
> > >> so sweet
> > >> and so cold
> > >
>  VARIATIONS ON A THEME BY WILLIAM CARLOS WILLIAMS
>(Kenneth Koch)]
>
> > > 1. I chopped down the house that you had been saving to live in next
> > > summer.
> > > I am sorry, but it was morning, and I had nothing to do
> > > and its wooden beams were so inviting.
> > >
> > > 2.
> > > We laughed at the hollyhocks together
> > > and then I sprayed them with lye.
> > > Forgive me.  I simply do not know what I am doing.
> > >
> > > 3.
> > > I gave away the money that you had been saving to live on for the next
> > > ten
> > > years.
> > > The man who asked for it was shabby
> > > and the firm March wind on the porch was so juicy and cold.
> > >
> > > 4.
> > > Last evening we went dancing and I broke your leg.
> > > Forgive me I was clumsy, and
> > > I wanted you here in the wards, where I am the doctor!

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Karen Kay wrote:
> >> In any case, if both accounts are active, you can generally have
> >> e-mail forwarded, but I would think this would ultimately be
> >> confusing.
>
> > Why confusing?  I see nothing confusing about that or about Bethany's
> > situation.  There's no reason for her ever to use that comcast address
> > for anything.  I would go on and set a .forward file on it in case the
> > Comcast people sent e-mail for some reason.  But otherwise there's no
> > reason for comcast.net to be part of her e-life at all, even though
> > that's the outgoing mailserver.
>
> Ah. This wasn't clear to me. I thought she'd want to know where her
> e-mail was coming from.

Huh?

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Of course.  But I mean I heard something more <intimate> -- something
> local, I think, like how the cable people and the telephone people were
> about to merge somehow.

I wonder if the antitrust people know about this.

>> > Yes.  Just set a .forward file on whichever one you don't want to use.
>>
>> This assumes that she has shell access on comcast.net, which I believe
>> is a faulty assumption. She'll have to find out from her ISP or
>> another user how to forward mail.

> Of course.  But it will be a .forward file almost certainly, whether she
> creates it directly or indirectly.

Really? How can you state this with such confidence?

> My point was that there is no need to worry -- that she can have her
> mail forwarded to wherever.

That's probably true.

> And she is not likely to have to "find out from her ISP or another
> user" except in the sense that she looks at the screen and sees the
> mechanism. I can't log on to the BellSouth server, afaik, but
> finding the mail-forwarding mechanism was a no-brainer.

I think that's pretty unusual, from what I've seen of other broadband
ISPs.

> What I filled in was no doubt automatically turned
> into a .forward file on the bellsouth server.

Uh, okay...

Karen

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> >  Have you ever shared
> > bios?
>
> Yes:  ftp://ftp.msstate.edu/docs/words-l/List-Stuff/bios
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

My goodness, Natalie, almost none of those people are
still on this list.

                  - D. M.

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I took piano lessons from someone who took piano lessons from someone who
took piano lessons from someone who took piano lessons from someone who took
piano lessons from someone who took piano lessons from someone who took
piano lessons from Beethoven.  But, that simply defines me as one more step
on the downward ladder of degeneracy, dear. With all due respect to Isaac
Newton, we are all squishing under the soles of giants.

>From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>

>        I'd like to hereby announce what Words-L is good for:  I am
>beyond fully prepared for graduate philosophy courses.  I
>can out-question and talk around and manipulate everyone!
>They'd last 30 seconds here. I have learned from the best.
>
>
>
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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> On Monday, September 08, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>> > I aspire to know what POP mail is - I still don't get it.
>>
>> Most non-U ISPs won't let you touch their servers. You have to suck
>> your mail off their mail server in order to read it. One protocol for
>> sucking is POP.

> But there is no particular need for her to use her non-U ISP's
> mail-service.  She can continue to telnet to her UT account.

Yes--if she wants.

Karen

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> On Monday, September 08, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>> > On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>> >>> IOW, am I going to have to check two mail accounts all the time to make
>> >>> certain I am getting all my mail? That sounds like a real nuisance.
>> >>
>> >>Why?
>>
>> > Because it will take a lot of extra time.
>>
>> I don't think it does. For me, it just takes remembering. It's not
>> like you have to dial up and log in--you're already connected.

> But there's no reason for Bethany to do that unless she prefers to
> separate her mail into two accounts.

She needs to know what's possible. Why should she continue to do
things in the same old antiquated way?

Karen

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I think you should stick with Michener, and sing songs by Rodgers and
Hammerstein.


>From: Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
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>Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 18:55:35 -0700
>
>  I will say that I
> > don't buy any notion of
> > missionaries having a whole indigenous population
> > locked in their control.
> > In Hawaii, at least, the situation was much more
> > complex than that. A good
> > starting survey of Hawaii's history is Gavan Daws's
> > Shoal of Time.
>
>The more I read, it seems to me, the weaker the
>strangle hold appears to have been.  Over and over,
>the missionaries are "permitted" to do this, "allowed"
>to do that.
>
>It would also seem that missionaries were the first to
>get the Hawaiian language into written form.
>
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There's something terribly wrong with a country where the defenders of the
common folk's interests are known to be opposed to trust.

>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>
>I wonder if the antitrust people know about this.

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> >> In any case, if both accounts are active, you can generally have
>> >> e-mail forwarded, but I would think this would ultimately be
>> >> confusing.
>>
>> > Why confusing?  I see nothing confusing about that or about Bethany's
>> > situation.  There's no reason for her ever to use that comcast address
>> > for anything.  I would go on and set a .forward file on it in case the
>> > Comcast people sent e-mail for some reason.  But otherwise there's no
>> > reason for comcast.net to be part of her e-life at all, even though
>> > that's the outgoing mailserver.
>>
>> Ah. This wasn't clear to me. I thought she'd want to know where her
>> e-mail was coming from.

> Huh?

Who's using which address.

Karen

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        Exactly my point, darlin'!  You are brilliant as always.



Marty Rosen wrote:

> I took piano lessons from someone who took piano lessons from someone who
> took piano lessons from someone who took piano lessons from someone who
> took
> piano lessons from someone who took piano lessons from someone who took
> piano lessons from Beethoven.  But, that simply defines me as one more step
> on the downward ladder of degeneracy, dear. With all due respect to Isaac
> Newton, we are all squishing under the soles of giants.
>
>> From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
>
>
>>        I'd like to hereby announce what Words-L is good for:  I am
>> beyond fully prepared for graduate philosophy courses.  I
>> can out-question and talk around and manipulate everyone!
>> They'd last 30 seconds here. I have learned from the best.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>>
>>
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>
>                   - D. M.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> I read most mail in
> pine, but go to webmail if I have to deal with attachments (which all UT
> administrators seem enamoured of - why I don't know - very few messages
> actually need to be  anything more than plain text messages, I think).

Hear, hear.  I also dislike the attachment thing and wonder what's wrong
with plain old ascii.  But back to the main point:  There is no reason
for you to change your current habits unless you want to.  You can
continue to read most mail in Pine and go to webmail for attachments
after your change to Comcast, unless there's something really bizarre
about a Comcast connection.  You simply need a telnet connection, which
is built in on Windows and surely is on Macs also.

> I
> am thinking of installing Eudora - that's POP, right? I used for a while
> many years ago. I do not like to have to download mail as a matter of
> course, though.

Yes.  Eudora is POP.  There are many disadvantages to downloading
e-mail, imho, though I do it for natalie@maynor.net -- which I don't
check when traveling since it comes to a server that is different from
the one I can log onto for things like editing web pages and which I
don't check in my office because I don't want to download mail on
various computers.  I can check it via webmail from anywhere, of course,
but I detest webmail.

Your change to Comcast does *not* require use of Eudora.  Nothing in
your current e-life has to change.

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Amy Burns Short wrote:

>>And it has a website:
>>
>
>>http://www.otsuma.ac.jp/gakuin/
>>
>
> Ah, yes -- 'tis the famed Otsuma *Women's* University from whence came the
> 62 Japanese girls to Murray State for a special study program a couple of
> years ago, about which I posted more than a thing or two. A great group!
>
> Still in the archives, I presume.


        I think that was the same year Tomoko was living with us,
wasn't it?  I'm glad she's in good company.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Bill wrote:
>
>>What makes me think that there is one is that this List has a history, of
>>which I am a part.   Several years ago there was another large group of word
>>lovers who met here.  The moderator, at that time, began to ban people from
>>the list for what he considered were off topic conversational strings.  The
>>upshot of that was that we all left Words-L and formed another word group
>>which has been thriving.
>>
>
> I think you've got your lists confused.  Even Al Essa in his attempts to
> slow-the-flow and make the list on-topic didn't ban people from the
> list.  Or at least I have no memory of anything that extreme.  (And the
> Al days were a long time ago -- late '80s.  I can't remember the exact
> date of when he passed the listownership along to me, but it was no
> later than '91 -- late '90 or early '91.)


        Hmm.  I ban everybody!


> Weird.  Spencer just started barking wildly, and I went to the door and
> saw a red jeep-like vehicle in my driveway.  I then found a fat woman at
> the front door saying she was with "Premium Somethingorother" and they'd
> been making some deliveries here and had some extras that she'd be
> willing to sell for a very low price.  I looked blank, and she said, "Do
> you like steak?"  I said, "Not really."  She said, "I have one box of
> chicken left."  I shook my head and said that I was an
> almost-vegetarian.  She was smiling and pleasant and friendly, but I
> found the whole experience a bit odd.  Hmm.  Maybe I should've asked her
> if she'd like to buy some leftover chunks of salmon.  (I plan to eat one
> more chunk tonight and toss the rest.)


        These people are annoying.  And the meat is bad, I hear.
Personally, I think it is unwise to buy meat from the back
of somebody's hooptie.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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I think this is a bit optimistic, but even in the 21st century, antiquated
options are within the realm of possibility.


>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>Your change to Comcast does *not* require use of Eudora.  Nothing in
>your current e-life has to change.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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I was sitting on my front porch one day, playing Richard Thompson tunes on
my guitar, when a male selling the same stuff walked up the sidewalk and
asked me if I was interested.  "No, thanks," I said.  "Why not?" said he.
"I know you didn't get that gut from being a vegetarian."  Although I
enjoyed the riposte, it wasn't sufficient to persuade me to buy his wares.

>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>>saw a red jeep-like vehicle in my driveway.  I then found a fat
>>woman at
>>the front door saying she was with "Premium Somethingorother" and they'd
>>been making some deliveries here and had some extras that she'd be
>>willing to sell for a very low price.  I looked blank, and she said, "Do
>>you like steak?"  I said, "Not really."  She said, "I have one box of
>>chicken left."  I shook my head and said that I was an
>>almost-vegetarian.  She was smiling and pleasant and friendly, but I
>>found the whole experience a bit odd.  Hmm.  Maybe I should've asked her
>>if she'd like to buy some leftover chunks of salmon.  (I plan to eat one
>>more chunk tonight and toss the rest.)
>

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On 8 Sep 2003 at 18:55, Lynne Weber wrote:

> It would also seem that missionaries were the first to
> get the Hawaiian language into written form.

That's true. It served their purpose of bringing (their)
civilization--and the bible--to the ill-clad heathens. That is one
of the ways in which their influence was enormous. They were not
the only, or even the first, Westerners to appear in the Islands,
though, and their influence was not exclusive. The mission itself--
that is, the ABCFM mission--lasted only twenty years, but its
influence lingered far longer.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> Oh, mine made me puke. I was insufferable!

I haven't looked at any of them in eons and am sure most of us would
find ours puky.  Those were the "current" ones, btw.  There's another
file of out-of-date ones -- people who had left the list.  I should look
at those someday and post them.  Not tonight, though.  Today has been
way too busy, and tomorrow promises the same.  I feel <crunched>.  I am
in need of TIME.

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On 8 Sep 2003 at 22:05, Marty Rosen wrote:

> I think you should stick with Michener, and sing songs by Rodgers and
> Hammerstein.

I suspect Michener is a part of the problem, but, damn, I do like
that Rodgers and Hammerstein stuff.

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From: "Doris Markland" <dmarkld@ncfcomm.com>
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Subject: Overweight
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So much is being written about the fact that Americans are overweight
 . . and our kids are overweight.  Now today this:


       AP Photo  
Group Warns American Pets Are Overweight 
(AP) - The old wives' tale holds that people start to look like their pets
. Turns out it's the other way around: America's pets are starting to look
 like Americans — overweight. Whether it's round hounds or corpulent 
cats, as many as one-fourth of cats and dogs in the Western world are
 overweight, according to a the National Research Council, an arm of the
 National Academies. 

Just a week or two ago I read for the first time that the British
are becoming overweight.  So we're not alone.

But what got me thinking was this line I heard from, I think, some
comedian:  "We are the only country in which the poor
people are fat."   

                         - D. M.

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Certainly you are foolish enough, and possess a sort of blithe, foolish
certitude that suggests you could be a prodigal poster and part of the long
lost history of this list.  I suppose the root of your post is something
along the lines of "Take me to your leader."  If so, please indicate whether
you bring valuable offerings.  If so, a leader will appear.

>From: Bill <brintala@BELLSOUTH.NET>
All of these
>lists have someone who moderates them even if they lurk in the background.
>
>Bill R
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "steph" <stevie@MULTINIX.COM>
>To: <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:02 AM
>Subject: Re: Hawaiian Shirts.
>
>
> > Bill:
> > = Who is the moderator of this list?
> > =
> >
> > What makes you think there is one?

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Don't trust her.  She's a tricky one, she is.  Do you bring valuable gifts?

>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>
>You are mistaken. This one doesn't.
>
>Karen

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--- "Bethany K. Dumas" > On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Bill
wrote:

> No, you have arrived in Bizarro Land. I have no idea
> how many of us there
> are. Everyone lives all over - we have yankees and
> damnyankees and rebels
> and allsortsofpeople and wannabe allsortsofthings.
> We spend much of our
> time right here, though, as someone said earlier, we
> do take sabbaticals
> (well, that's not actually what they said, but
> that's what I take), and we
> would not dream of sharing any but fake bios.

Yeah, what she said, except from AL, not TN.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> On Monday, September 08, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> > That helps. Maybe I will forget Eudora. I do NOT like to have to suck
> > mail.
>
> Why? It takes up very little space. And it is how things are done in
> the 21st century.

Because things end up on various computers.  And if you want to save
something, like a piece of e-mail that you think you might want for some
reason six months later, it's much more convenient to save it on the
server since you might not be in the same place with the same computer
six months later.  Or your computer may die.  Or what if you need to
check something when you're in Hong Kong or wherever?  If it's on the
server, there's no problem.  If it's on an individual PC, there probably
is.  (Sure, you can ftp it from your computer to the server to save it,
but what a hassle.)   Or what if you're leaving on a trip and want to
check e-mail one last time before departure and you have a ton of mail
that gets stuck on your PC because you downloaded it -- and you can't
get to it after you leave town?  (Sure, you can tell a pop-mail program
to leave duplicates on the server, but what a mess that would be if you
get much e-mail.)

But if it's how things are done in the 21st century, one must leap in
and do it that way.  Gotta be <withit> doncha know.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Sheesh, you, a librarian, have the temerity to dispute the authority of a
WEBSITE????


>From: Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET>
>It does matter. It said it was totally fine if unopened. Didn't say why
>having been opened would matter. You offered to her that she can't because
>you read on this information-free website that you can't. I say that she
>can, and there's nothing there telling me why not. When I've done so
>myself.
>
>Marie

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Marty Rosen wrote:
>
> Is this an excerpt from a "dummies" book?  It inspires similar confidence.

Inspires confidence?  Is that what "dummies" books are supposed to do?
I had thought of them as practical in intent.  Didn't know they were
intended as self-esteem builders or whatever.

>
> >From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> >If you aspire to know, we can tell you.  But you might be jumping into
> >more things than you need to right now.  You can almost certainly
> >continue to read your e-mail via a Comcast connection the same way you
> >are reading it now.  How do you read it now?  What mail-reading program
> >do you use?  If you use Unix mailx or Pine or elm, you can simply telnet
> >to the server you normally go to and continue your life exactly as it is
> >now.
>

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>         I'd like to hereby announce what Words-L is
> good for:  I am
> beyond fully prepared for graduate philosophy
> courses.  I
> can out-question and talk around and manipulate
> everyone!
> They'd last 30 seconds here. I have learned from the
> best.


Are the best now among your victims, the manipulatees?

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > Of course.  But I mean I heard something more <intimate> -- something
> > local, I think, like how the cable people and the telephone people were
> > about to merge somehow.
>
>         No.  They're at each other's throats.  The very suggestion
> would cause several heart attacks at the mandatory Public
> Action Committee meetings my darling attends at work.

That is exactly why I expressed such surprise when I heard this thing
about Northland Cable and BellSouth.  I'll inquire at lunch tomorrow if
the person who mentioned it is there.

It was sad today that one of our sometime-regulars who has MS and is
more and more crippled made it to the cafeteria today for the first time
in months and fell when he was leaving, causing a big scene of gawkers.
I've felt down ever since noon because of that.

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On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:

>I think if you're a dummy these books are just right for you.

Good - I am qualified. Which one shall I get?

Bethany

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Hmm.  The other day on the bus I spied a young lass reading "Copernicus for
Dummies" and my self-esteem immediately shot way up.  I started humming the
music of the spheres and revolving around her in what I like to think of as
my cosmic dance, but she stared me down with a look full of gravitas, and I
found myself sinking at a downright angle.


>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>Inspires confidence?  Is that what "dummies" books are supposed to do?
>I had thought of them as practical in intent.  Didn't know they were
>intended as self-esteem builders or whatever.
>
> >
> > >From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> > >If you aspire to know, we can tell you.  But you might be jumping into
> > >more things than you need to right now.  You can almost certainly
> > >continue to read your e-mail via a Comcast connection the same way you
> > >are reading it now.  How do you read it now?  What mail-reading program
> > >do you use?  If you use Unix mailx or Pine or elm, you can simply
>telnet
> > >to the server you normally go to and continue your life exactly as it
>is
> > >now.
> >
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>I'm surprised that only UT administrators use attachments--I would
>have thought a lot of your legal stuff was attachments, too.
>Attachments are easy, that's why people use them. And you can control
>formatting.

Sure - and when that is necessary, attachments are fine. But if all you
are doing is callng a committee meeting for next Thursday, it hardly
seems necessary.

Bethany

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On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> That helps. Maybe I will forget Eudora. I do NOT like to have to suck
>> mail.
>
>Why? It takes up very little space. And it is how things are done in
>the 21st century.

Depends on how much mail you get!

Bethany

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > Of course.  But I mean I heard something more <intimate> -- something
> > local, I think, like how the cable people and the telephone people were
> > about to merge somehow.
>
> I wonder if the antitrust people know about this.

My "the" meant locally.  As I told Rita, I will inquire about it and
report.

> > Of course.  But it will be a .forward file almost certainly, whether she
> > creates it directly or indirectly.
>
> Really? How can you state this with such confidence?

Because I know about these things.  Note that I said "almost" -- that is
not the same as "for sure."  It means quite likely, not definitely.

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> I think you should stick with Michener, and sing
> songs by Rodgers and
> Hammerstein.


If you had any truly broad, beneficent wish for modern
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Suppose that you were able to journey to the center of the earth, and that
there you found a hollow spot, air to breathe, etc.  Once there, would you
be weightless, or would you be torn asunder by the competing gravitational
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If you could translate this into an if-then statement that made some sort of
sense, I'd attempt to respond.


>From: Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>

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>civilization, you would un-think the singing part.
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Karen Kay wrote:

> > But there's no reason for Bethany to do that unless she prefers to
> > separate her mail into two accounts.
>
> She needs to know what's possible. Why should she continue to do
> things in the same old antiquated way?

Because she has enough other things to be thinking about right now --
moving, changing internet service, etc. etc.  There's no reason for her
to add another change to her life right now unless she just wants to
stack up the changes in one huge pile.  If she does prefer to deal with
them that way -- the sudden stack, that's fine also.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, mem wrote:

> If you're interested simply in the clothing issue, I can send you an
> article on the origin and development of the holoku that might be
> illuminating. The article is a bit bogged down in the author's attempt to
> infuse theory into the issue (how else to get it published in an academic
> journal?), but there is interesting stuff in it.

Thanks, mem, but I can't handle it right now.  All my extra time is taken
up with the Cliff Notes' Algebra I!  And I'm not kidding.

What I'm interested in is the minutiae of power.  I guess what would
really suit me is a fictional story (based on an intelligent and informed
reading of whatever historical materials there are) showing HOW IT WAS to
start wearing missionary-induced clothing - why they thought they did it,
how did it feel, etc.

I'm going to save your message though because I probably will be
interested in that article when I get a chance.

Ann

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> On Monday, September 08, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> >> >> In any case, if both accounts are active, you can generally have
> >> >> e-mail forwarded, but I would think this would ultimately be
> >> >> confusing.
> >>
> >> > Why confusing?  I see nothing confusing about that or about Bethany's
> >> > situation.  There's no reason for her ever to use that comcast address
> >> > for anything.  I would go on and set a .forward file on it in case the
> >> > Comcast people sent e-mail for some reason.  But otherwise there's no
> >> > reason for comcast.net to be part of her e-life at all, even though
> >> > that's the outgoing mailserver.
> >>
> >> Ah. This wasn't clear to me. I thought she'd want to know where her
> >> e-mail was coming from.
>
> > Huh?
>
> Who's using which address.

? Why would anybody be using an address she didn't use or give to
anybody?

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> If you could translate this into an if-then
> statement that made some sort of
> sense, I'd attempt to respond.

The "then" is silent.  And there is no disgrace in
failed attempts.

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On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > 02003-09-07 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > > I tried to sleep on a beach on Lake Michigan once and was driven back to
> > > my cabin by sand fleas.
>
> I think I missed this earlier.  You noticed the sand fleas at the
moment they were doing their thing?  I ask because my main sand-flea experience
> involved <illicit sex on a beach> a long time ago, and the sand-flea
> bites weren't noticeable until the next day.

Well I was alone on the beach, at a summer camp, or maybe I was with a
girlfriend, definitely not having illicit sex.  So I noticed.  (I think I
may have slept a bit so there was some delay.)

Ann

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On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Why? It takes up very little space. And it is how things are done in
>> the 21st century.
>
>Because things end up on various computers.  And if you want to save
>something, like a piece of e-mail that you think you might want for some
>reason six months later, it's much more convenient to save it on the
>server since you might not be in the same place with the same computer
>six months later.  Or your computer may die.  Or what if you need to
>check something when you're in Hong Kong or wherever?  If it's on the
>server, there's no problem.  If it's on an individual PC, there probably
>is.  (Sure, you can ftp it from your computer to the server to save it,
>but what a hassle.)   Or what if you're leaving on a trip and want to
>check e-mail one last time before departure and you have a ton of mail
>that gets stuck on your PC because you downloaded it -- and you can't
>get to it after you leave town?  (Sure, you can tell a pop-mail program
>to leave duplicates on the server, but what a mess that would be if you
>get much e-mail.)

Exactement!

>But if it's how things are done in the 21st century, one must leap in
>and do it that way.  Gotta be <withit> doncha know.

Fuget that!

Bethany

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         These people are annoying.  And the meat is bad, I hear.
> Personally, I think it is unwise to buy meat from the back
> of somebody's hooptie.

Shortly after I sent that posting, a vague memory started bubbling up of
a similar list discussion several years ago.  Alyce and I had had this
experience of strange meat vendors, iirc.  No, I would not buy meat from
a stranger.

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On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>--- "Bethany K. Dumas" > On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Bill
>wrote:

....

>Yeah, what she said, except from AL, not TN.

Clone!

Bethany

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> My goodness, Natalie, almost none of those people are
> still on this list.

Remind me to go back to the old bios -- the ones that that "current" bio
file replaced.  But what am I doing still online?  Today was long,
tomorrow will be equally long or longer, and I should turn off the
computer and go to bed.

G'night.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> Clone!


Evil Twin!  And...and...uh, it takes one to know one!

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My accountant will have my head shortly if I do not get all my 2002 tax
records to her. I love to procrastinate re tax records - I got many,
many useful things done today. It is actually very helpful for me that the
IRS exists.

Bethany

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On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> I took an afternoon nap, and when I woke up my sense of perspective
> and scale was completely messed up. A bird very far, on the horizon,
> looked very near and monstrously large.

This would never happen to me: something very far looking near.  My eyes
just don't (not) work like this.

WRONG JUST CAUGHT MYSELF:  I took Mars the other night for maybe a baloon
over the Bay.  Still, there's something right - I can't imagine a far bird
looking near.  Because my eyesight's so bad I guess.

Another person would read this and not send it.  BUT HERE IT GOES:

Ann

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> Hmm.  The other day on the bus I spied a young lass
> reading "Copernicus for
> Dummies" and my self-esteem immediately shot way up.

>From the outset, this story is ridiculous. How could
it?

>  I started humming the
> music of the spheres and revolving around her in
> what I like to think of as
> my cosmic dance, but she stared me down with a look
> full of gravitas, and I
> found myself sinking at a downright angle.

Yet another instance.  How "low can you go?"
>
> >From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> >Inspires confidence?  Is that what "dummies" books
> are supposed to do?
> >I had thought of them as practical in intent.
> Didn't know they were
> >intended as self-esteem builders or whatever.
> >
> > >
> > > >From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> > > >If you aspire to know, we can tell you.  But
> you might be jumping into
> > > >more things than you need to right now.  You
> can almost certainly
> > > >continue to read your e-mail via a Comcast
> connection the same way you
> > > >are reading it now.  How do you read it now?
> What mail-reading program
> > > >do you use?  If you use Unix mailx or Pine or
> elm, you can simply
> >telnet
> > > >to the server you normally go to and continue
> your life exactly as it
> >is
> > > >now.
> > >
> >
> >--
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>
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I have read the bios. Everyone's assignment is to go to the nearest
university library <media center> (that was the audio-visual room last
century) and watch the full (56-minute) version of "American Tongues."
Were I <alllowed> to, I would <attach> the handout that Dennis Preston
and I <rendered> last century.

Bethany

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> On Monday, September 08, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>> > That helps. Maybe I will forget Eudora. I do NOT like to have to suck
>> > mail.
>>
>> Why? It takes up very little space. And it is how things are done in
>> the 21st century.

> Because things end up on various computers.

Only because you allow it to happen that way. I don't have that
problem.

Karen

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> Sure - and when that is necessary, attachments are fine. But if all you
> are doing is callng a committee meeting for next Thursday, it hardly
> seems necessary.

Some people attach the agenda.

Karen

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>>Why? It takes up very little space. And it is how things are done in
>>the 21st century.

> Depends on how much mail you get!

I get about 1,000 pieces of e-mail/day.

Karen

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> What I'm interested in is the minutiae of power.  I guess what would
> really suit me is a fictional story (based on an intelligent and informed
> reading of whatever historical materials there are) showing HOW IT WAS to
> start wearing missionary-induced clothing - why they thought they did it,
> how did it feel, etc.

Read Michener, then.

Karen

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> ? Why would anybody be using an address she didn't use or give to
> anybody?

Any number of reasons. In any case, I can't always remember what
address I've given to which person/thing. I doubt if I'm alone there.

Karen

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 Read Michener, then.


Reaallly, Ms. Kay.  He is so declasse.

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> Everyone's assignment is to go to the nearest
> university library <media center> (that was the audio-visual room last
> century) and watch the full (56-minute) version of "American Tongues."

No, thank you. Why do you think we need it?

Karen

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Lynne,

You need to practice that editing thing again.

Karen

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> > Everyone's assignment is to go to the nearest
> > university library <media center> (that was the
> audio-visual room last
> > century) and watch the full (56-minute) version of
> "American Tongues."
>
> No, thank you. Why do you think we need it?

I would love to watch it.  I guess the nearest
potential source for me would be UAB.

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>  Read Michener, then.


> Reaallly, Ms. Kay.  He is so declasse.

Like you would know.

Karen

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> Like you would know.

No, I wouldn't.  If I needed a definitive answer, I
would certainly defer to M. Rosen.

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Shortly after I sent that posting, a vague memory started bubbling up of
> a similar list discussion several years ago.  Alyce and I had had this
> experience of strange meat vendors, iirc.  No, I would not buy meat from
> a stranger.

I get those meat people here, too.

Karen

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> On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, mem wrote:
>
> > If you're interested simply in the clothing issue, I can send you an
> > article on the origin and development of the holoku that might be
> > illuminating. The article is a bit bogged down in the author's
attempt to
> > infuse theory into the issue (how else to get it published in an
academic
> > journal?), but there is interesting stuff in it.
>
> Thanks, mem, but I can't handle it right now.  All my extra time is
taken
> up with the Cliff Notes' Algebra I!  And I'm not kidding.
>
> What I'm interested in is the minutiae of power.  I guess what would
> really suit me is a fictional story (based on an intelligent and
informed
> reading of whatever historical materials there are) showing HOW IT WAS
to
> start wearing missionary-induced clothing - why they thought they did
it,
> how did it feel, etc.
>
> I'm going to save your message though because I probably will be
> interested in that article when I get a chance.
>
> Ann

So have you read Michener's "Hawaii"
or not?  Of course it's fictional and some
say exaggerated, but it's a very good book
and gives a feeling for what it might have
been like to be any of a number of persons
or factions in that part of the world over
quite a period of time.

              - D. M.

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Could you please apply yourself to the question of gravitational forces at
the center of the earth?  I'm planning to start digging in the back yard,
and I need an answer forthwith.


>From: Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
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> > Like you would know.
>
>No, I wouldn't.  If I needed a definitive answer, I
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On 8 Sep 2003 at 19:44, Ann Borkin wrote:

> I guess what would really suit me is a fictional story (based on an
> intelligent and informed reading of whatever historical materials there
> are) showing HOW IT WAS to start wearing missionary-induced clothing -
> why they thought they did it, how did it feel, etc.

Then you might be interested in Grapes of Canaan: Hawaii 1820 by
Albertine Loomis. I can't say whether it deals specifically with
the clothing issue. If it does, it might not do so very well from
the indigenous person's point of view.

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Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 9:41 PM
Subject: serious science question


> Suppose that you were able to journey to the center of the earth, and
that
> there you found a hollow spot, air to breathe, etc.  Once there, would
you
> be weightless, or would you be torn asunder by the competing
gravitational
> pull acting on you from all the points of the surrounding sphere?
>
>
I do not have the answer to this question, but
I would be more interested in learning this:
as you descended to the center of the earth
were you swirling from left to right or from
right to left?

                     - D. M.

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I think this may be a question for Cecil.

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>Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 9:41 PM
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>
>
> > Suppose that you were able to journey to the center of the earth, and
>that
> > there you found a hollow spot, air to breathe, etc.  Once there, would
>you
> > be weightless, or would you be torn asunder by the competing
>gravitational
> > pull acting on you from all the points of the surrounding sphere?
> >
> >
>I do not have the answer to this question, but
>I would be more interested in learning this:
>as you descended to the center of the earth
>were you swirling from left to right or from
>right to left?
>
>                      - D. M.

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
> Then you might be interested in Grapes of Canaan: Hawaii 1820 by
> Albertine Loomis. I can't say whether it deals specifically with
> the clothing issue. If it does, it might not do so very well from
> the indigenous person's point of view.

Here's some info: http://www.loomis.8k.com/page6.html
http://www.hawaiianhistory.org/sumr1898.html

Oh, and Lynne, remind me to tell you about my Hawaiian lg. story.

Karen

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Most esteemed Cecil,

Suppose that you were able to journey to the center of the earth, and that
once there you found a hollow spot, air to breathe, a cool hotel suite with
a wet bar, and other amenities like that.  Once you had arrived at the
center, would you be weightless? Or would you be torn limb from limb by
competing gravitational forces pulling at you from all points of the
surrounding planetary sphere?

Please answer quickly.  I'm digging a hole in my back yard and need to know.

Marty Rosen, Louisville, KY

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From: "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@noxiousweeds.net>
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On 8 Sep 2003 at 19:44, Ann Borkin wrote:

> What I'm interested in is the minutiae of power.  I guess what would
> really suit me is a fictional story (based on an intelligent and informed
> reading of whatever historical materials there are) showing HOW IT WAS to
> start wearing missionary-induced clothing - why they thought they did it,
> how did it feel, etc.

Another small point about this. The first adopters--who were queens
and other nobility--were not induced by the missionaries but rather
were fascinated by the novelty of Western dress, some of of which
they had seen before the arrival of the Congregationalists in 1820.
Among Christian converts subsequently, of course, missionary
disapproval of nakedness was instrumental in changing habits.

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--- Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> Suppose that you were able to journey to the center
> of the earth, and that
> there you found a hollow spot, air to breathe, etc.
> Once there, would you
> be weightless, or would you be torn asunder by the
> competing gravitational
> pull acting on you from all the points of the
> surrounding sphere?

It is entirely moot, as you will still come out in
China.
>
>
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> Here's some info:
> http://www.loomis.8k.com/page6.html
> http://www.hawaiianhistory.org/sumr1898.html
>
> Oh, and Lynne, remind me to tell you about my
> Hawaiian lg. story.

"Hawaiian lg. story?", she asked warily.


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> Among Christian converts subsequently, of course,
> missionary
> disapproval of nakedness was instrumental in
> changing habits.

To a certain extent, and in some circles, this bias
remains with us today.


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> I have read the bios. Everyone's assignment is to go to the nearest
> university library <media center> (that was the audio-visual room last
> century) and watch the full (56-minute) version of "American Tongues."
> Were I <alllowed> to, I would <attach> the handout that Dennis Preston
> and I <rendered> last century.
>
> Bethany

I would have last week, but apparently we don't have it.  I need to ask my
favorite media librarian.

Terry

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So there is no official moderator, the bios that exist are obsolete and any
new ones will be faked.

Who would you say sets the tenor of the list?  Are there certain people who
tend to dominate the list?  People whose opinions are most often deferred
to?

I detect a flippancy and randomness of content but you aren't discussing
canniblism or pederastry so someone must be keeping you in deeper waters.

My bio is that I am 53 years old. I am married to Linda and we have 3
children ages 28, 23, and 19.  My oldest son teaches English at Texas A& M.
My daughter teaches special education to 2nd and 3rd graders.  My youngest
son is a sophmore at the University of Southern Mississippi.  My wife and I
are both nurses.  She works with psychiatric patients  on a day shift and I
work on a Telemetry Unit (Cardiology) on nights.   I developed a profound
interest in words, in 1971 it occurred to me that it was a miracle that we
could all understand one another.  What a marvelous thing language was! I
have since been consumed with a fascination as to how words are used to
communicate thought... blah blah.  I have 2 dogs and 3 cats (down from 3
dogs and 5 cats a year ago) and I live just outside of New Orleans.

Bizarro Bill



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> Every once in a while, at the most unlikely moments, one discerns a sliver
> of hope.
>
>
> >My goodness, Natalie, almost none of those people are
> >still on this list.
> >
> >                   - D. M.
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I think that I know this one.  Gravity is only one of the forces that you
would have to contend with.  The rule of physics states that the force of
gravity is inversely proportional to your distance from the center of mass
of an object.  The center of mass is a hypothetical place. As you burrow
into the earth the forces of gravity would diminish until you reached a
point where the mass above you was equal to the mass below you.   You might
be weightless there except for other factors.  The primary factor would be
the weight of the 2000 miles of rock over your head.  We are all familiar
with the idea that as we descend to deeper depths in water the pressure gets
greater.  Hydrostatic pressure at great sea depths can crush a submarine.
Similarly the earth presses in as you go down with what is known as
lithostatic pressure.   Pressure at the Earth's surface is 14.7 pounds per
square inch but at the earth's center it is about 3900 metric tons/cm
enough to crush you like a bug.

Bizarro Bill



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> Most esteemed Cecil,
>
> Suppose that you were able to journey to the center of the earth, and that
> once there you found a hollow spot, air to breathe, a cool hotel suite
with
> a wet bar, and other amenities like that.  Once you had arrived at the
> center, would you be weightless? Or would you be torn limb from limb by
> competing gravitational forces pulling at you from all points of the
> surrounding planetary sphere?
>
> Please answer quickly.  I'm digging a hole in my back yard and need to
know.
>
> Marty Rosen, Louisville, KY
>
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02003-09-08 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET> writes:
> I suspect Michener is a part of the problem, but, damn, I do like
> that Rodgers and Hammerstein stuff.

I'm rarely jealous of wordslers but I'm burning with envy here.

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02003-09-08 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Could you please apply yourself to the question of gravitational forces at
> the center of the earth?  I'm planning to start digging in the back yard,
> and I need an answer forthwith.

It's the most scientific weight-loss technique yet known ...

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02003-09-08 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> All my extra time is taken up with the Cliff Notes' Algebra I!

Express this in the form of an equation and solve it.

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02003-09-08 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > I took an afternoon nap, and when I woke up my sense of perspective
> > and scale was completely messed up. A bird very far, on the horizon,
> > looked very near and monstrously large.
>
> This would never happen to me: something very far looking near.  My eyes
> just don't (not) work like this.
>
> WRONG JUST CAUGHT MYSELF:  I took Mars the other night for maybe a baloon
> over the Bay.  Still, there's something right - I can't imagine a far bird
> looking near.  Because my eyesight's so bad I guess.
>
> Another person would read this and not send it.  BUT HERE IT GOES:

Could somebody construe this? It looks like a random slow-blinking
array of inch-wide pixels to me.

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WELCOME, CLO!

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02003-09-08 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Hmm.  The other day on the bus I spied a young lass reading "Copernicus for
> Dummies" and my self-esteem immediately shot way up.  I started humming the
> music of the spheres and revolving around her in what I like to think of as
> my cosmic dance, but she stared me down with a look full of gravitas, and I
> found myself sinking at a downright angle.

There is a little-known footnote by Copernicus which asserts that
the music of the spheres is distinct from a hangover. It should be
better known.

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02003-09-08 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Here's Kenneth Rexroth in a Williams-like mode:
>
> Between Two Wars
>
> Remember that breakfast one November -
> Cold black grapes smelling faintly
> Of the cork they were packed in,
> Hard rolls with hot, white flesh,
> And thick, honey sweetened chocolate?
> And the parties at night; the gin and the tangos?
> The torn hair nets, the lost cuff links?
> Where have they all gone to,
> The beautiful girls, the abandoned hours?
> They said we were lost, mad and immoral,
> And interfered with the plans of the management.
> And today, millions and millions, shut alive
> In the coffins of circumstance,
> Beat on the buried lids,
> Huddle in the cellars of ruins, and quarrel
> Over their own fragmented flesh.

Nope, can't say I remember that.

However, if it involved Brahms's Ballade, I am insanely gelous.

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02003-09-08 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Suppose that you were able to journey to the center of the earth, and that
> there you found a hollow spot, air to breathe, etc.  Once there, would you
> be weightless, or would you be torn asunder by the competing gravitational
> pull acting on you from all the points of the surrounding sphere?

There certainly are competing gravitational forces, but I am afraid
we inadvertantly apply an unconscious cold war model if we imagine
the forces ripping us apart in two, three or another integer number
of parts ... For forces accumulate not in this all-or-nothing manner
but rather by means of what is known as the parallelogram law. Thus,
a canonball is operated on by the gravitational force and the canon's
initial impulse, and hence experiences a diagonal pull as a body (as
opposed to separating into two parts).

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02003-09-08 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Most esteemed Cecil,
>
> Suppose that you were able to journey to the center of the earth, and that
> once there you found a hollow spot, air to breathe, a cool hotel suite with
> a wet bar, and other amenities like that.  Once you had arrived at the
> center, would you be weightless? Or would you be torn limb from limb by
> competing gravitational forces pulling at you from all points of the
> surrounding planetary sphere?
>
> Please answer quickly.  I'm digging a hole in my back yard and need to know.

If you strike a state border leave it alone!

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>From a local friend:

> >>I bet some of the techies on Words-L could answer the question.  Should I
> >>ask it there?
>
> Yes. I'm curious. Thanks for all your help.
>
> ff

The question:

> There's something I don't understand about transferring pictures between my
> computers. It's a good thing but I don't understand it. Maybe you can
> explain.
>
> In 1994 when I bought my first home computer, I bought a Gateway, a printer,
> and very good scanner (expensive then). Later when Tom bought an inexpensive
> scanner at work his comment was that I didn't realize how good of a scanner
> I had. The current problem is that with the new computer it doesn't have a
> scuzzy port that the old one had. So what I do, until we buy another
> scanner, is scan into the old computer pictures I want to improve, put them
> on a floppy, and bring to the new computer. The computers are in different
> rooms so they aren't networked. I know there's lots of new, even cheap
> technology out there that we just haven't taken advantage of but here's the
> puzzle.
>
> I took an Adobe Photoshop workshop in Birmingham many years ago. They said
> to always scan your photos at 300 dpi so that you always have all the info
> to edit. Then the LAST thing you do after editing is change it to indexed
> color to reduce size for websites and quick download. So my initial scanned
> files are huge - 5.6M, etc. This won't normally fit on the old floppies, as
> you know. I scan everything in using Photoshop and save as a .jpg. Then I
> close the files. When I look in Explorer to copy to a floppy, I see that
> they are listed as Imager files and only 225K in size. This is a zip or
> something that Microsoft Imager does on it's own. Then they will all fit on
> one floppy. When I take this to the new computer and open them in Photoshop
> again, they revert to the 5.6M size file. How can they do this? It's a good
> thing but I don't understand how I can take 4 or 5 pictures of around 5M,
> put them on a floppy which only holds 1.4M, then open them again in
> Photoshop and all the info and size is still there. Do you understand that?
>
> ff


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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Because things end up on various computers.
>
> Only because you allow it to happen that way. I don't have that
> problem.

Well, duh.  Of course if you always use the same computer, there's no
problem with popmail (except for the extra time of
uploading/downloading).  I love your rendering of the idea, though --
the tone suggesting that traveling and using an office computer are <bad
things> -- that by using other computers you are <allowing> mess.  The
fact is that I do not have the mess because I do not allow it.  I don't
read popmail except at this computer.  But I find it a limiting
arrangement since I am away from this computer for hours most days and
for weeks at times.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> On Monday, September 08, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > ? Why would anybody be using an address she didn't use or give to
> > anybody?
>
> Any number of reasons. In any case, I can't always remember what
> address I've given to which person/thing. I doubt if I'm alone there.

If you are using more than one address, then of course you might not
remember which one you've given to whom.  But that's not what we're
talking about here.  We're talking about being assigned an address by
the ISP but NOT USING IT -- i.e., never sending mail from it, never
giving it to anybody.  What are the any number of reasons one might get
mail at that address?  The only one I can think of is mail from the ISP
about the system or your account or whatever.

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I can get the answer for you today.  But it will be tonight before I'm
back online to report it.

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Bill wrote:

>  and I live just outside of New Orleans.

Where?  (I mean what town, not where is NO.)  And what happened to the
dog and two cats you lost?  I will have more questions later.  Need to
rush now.  This week is much too busy.

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On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> Sure - and when that is necessary, attachments are fine. But if all you
>> are doing is callng a committee meeting for next Thursday, it hardly
>> seems necessary.
>
>Some people attach the agenda.

Why not sinmply 1., 2., 3.?

Bethany

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On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> Everyone's assignment is to go to the nearest
>> university library <media center> (that was the audio-visual room last
>> century) and watch the full (56-minute) version of "American Tongues."
>
>No, thank you. Why do you think we need it?

The reason will be obvious if you do your assignment. If you don't do your
assignment, you will not understand. Your choice.

Bethany

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        He's a spy!

Bill wrote:

> So there is no official moderator, the bios that exist are obsolete and any
> new ones will be faked.
>
> Who would you say sets the tenor of the list?  Are there certain people who
> tend to dominate the list?  People whose opinions are most often deferred
> to?
>
> I detect a flippancy and randomness of content but you aren't discussing
> canniblism or pederastry so someone must be keeping you in deeper waters.
>
> My bio is that I am 53 years old. I am married to Linda and we have 3
> children ages 28, 23, and 19.  My oldest son teaches English at Texas A& M.
> My daughter teaches special education to 2nd and 3rd graders.  My youngest
> son is a sophmore at the University of Southern Mississippi.  My wife and I
> are both nurses.  She works with psychiatric patients  on a day shift and I
> work on a Telemetry Unit (Cardiology) on nights.   I developed a profound
> interest in words, in 1971 it occurred to me that it was a miracle that we
> could all understand one another.  What a marvelous thing language was! I
> have since been consumed with a fascination as to how words are used to
> communicate thought... blah blah.  I have 2 dogs and 3 cats (down from 3
> dogs and 5 cats a year ago) and I live just outside of New Orleans.
>
> Bizarro Bill
>
>
>
> .----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marty Rosen" <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
> To: <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 9:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Who are you people?
>
>
>
>>Every once in a while, at the most unlikely moments, one discerns a sliver
>>of hope.
>>
>>
>>
>>>My goodness, Natalie, almost none of those people are
>>>still on this list.
>>>
>>>                  - D. M.
>>>
>>_________________________________________________________________
>>Use custom emotions -- try MSN Messenger 6.0!
>>http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_emoticon
>>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Bill wrote:
> So there is no official moderator, the bios that exist are obsolete and any
> new ones will be faked.

Pretty much.

> Who would you say sets the tenor of the list?  Are there certain people who
> tend to dominate the list?  People whose opinions are most often deferred
> to?

What's the opposite of 'deferred to'? That's what happens most here.

> I detect a flippancy and randomness of content but you aren't discussing
> canniblism or pederastry so someone must be keeping you in deeper waters.

We discussed both of those in 1991 and moved on.

Karen

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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> > Because things end up on various computers.
>>
>> Only because you allow it to happen that way. I don't have that
>> problem.

> Well, duh.  Of course if you always use the same computer, there's no
> problem with popmail (except for the extra time of
> uploading/downloading).

I don't always use the same computer.

> I love your rendering of the idea, though -- the tone suggesting
> that traveling and using an office computer are <bad
> things>>

You're reading this into what I wrote. I don't think those are bad
things at all.

> -- that by using other computers you are <allowing> mess.

Nonsense. It's what you do with those other computers that creates
mess.

Karen

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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> If you are using more than one address, then of course you might not
> remember which one you've given to whom.  But that's not what we're
> talking about here.  We're talking about being assigned an address by
> the ISP but NOT USING IT -- i.e., never sending mail from it, never
> giving it to anybody.  What are the any number of reasons one might get
> mail at that address?  The only one I can think of is mail from the ISP
> about the system or your account or whatever.

I didn't realize we were talking about never using the other address.
If you don't use it, then of course, there's no problem.

I've started using sneakemail.com to track sources of spam, and that
has complicated my life somewhat.

Karen

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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>> Sure - and when that is necessary, attachments are fine. But if all you
>>> are doing is callng a committee meeting for next Thursday, it hardly
>>> seems necessary.
>>
>>Some people attach the agenda.

> Why not sinmply 1., 2., 3.?

If you attach the agenda, then people can print it out and take notes
on it at the meeting, rather than taking notes on your e-mail. It's
somewhat neater.

Karen

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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>> Everyone's assignment is to go to the nearest
>>> university library <media center> (that was the audio-visual room last
>>> century) and watch the full (56-minute) version of "American Tongues."
>>
>>No, thank you. Why do you think we need it?

> The reason will be obvious if you do your assignment. If you don't do your
> assignment, you will not understand. Your choice.

Well, I think I have enough linguistics training. So I'll just have to
muddle along without it.

Karen

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>"No, thanks," I said.  "Why not?" said he.
>"I know you didn't get that gut from being a vegetarian."  Although I
>enjoyed the riposte, it wasn't sufficient to persuade me to buy his wares.

And what was your reply, sweet Nipper?   "No, I got it from drinking beer."
??  I do, in fact, know an overweight vegetarian.


bonnie

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> Could somebody construe this? It looks like a random
> slow-blinking
> array of inch-wide pixels to me.

Consider it construed; and you didn't have to lift a finger.

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--- Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
> WELCOME, CLO!


Dang-blasted glad to have you back.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Have you ever shared
>bios?
>
>
>
>Yes:  ftp://ftp.msstate.edu/docs/words-l/List-Stuff/bios
>
>
>
Wow, I didn't even remember that I had a bio out there :-)  My, how my 'family' has changed!  Dopey dog has been replaced by a husband and now there are five different cats.

Rita L.

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Stop digging.  The answer is that you will be torn to bits by competing
forces.  This is something I've learned through my many years on this
<service>.


>Could you please apply yourself to the question of gravitational forces at
>the center of the earth?  I'm planning to start digging in the back yard,
>and I need an answer forthwith.
>
>
>>From: Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
>>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: Re: it's not easy.
>>Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 20:20:56 -0700
>>
>> > Like you would know.
>>
>>No, I wouldn't.  If I needed a definitive answer, I
>>would certainly defer to M. Rosen.
>>
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> There certainly are competing gravitational forces,
> but I am afraid
> we inadvertantly apply an unconscious cold war model
> if we imagine
> the forces ripping us apart in two, three or another
> integer number
> of parts ... For forces accumulate not in this
> all-or-nothing manner
> but rather by means of what is known as the
> parallelogram law. Thus,
> a canonball is operated on by the gravitational
> force and the canon's
> initial impulse, and hence experiences a diagonal
> pull as a body (as
> opposed to separating into two parts).

This is all perfectly logical and reasonable, but does
it hold true for cannons and cannonballs, as well?


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On second thought, there is a contradiction in your very question.  If one
would be torn to bits, then what kind of being would have preceded you to
build the wet bar and other amenities?


>Stop digging.  The answer is that you will be torn to bits by competing
>forces.  This is something I've learned through my many years on this
><service>.
>
>
>>Could you please apply yourself to the question of gravitational forces at
>>the center of the earth?  I'm planning to start digging in the back yard,
>>and I need an answer forthwith.
>>
>>
>>>From: Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
>>>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>>Subject: Re: it's not easy.
>>>Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 20:20:56 -0700
>>>
>>> > Like you would know.
>>>
>>>No, I wouldn't.  If I needed a definitive answer, I
>>>would certainly defer to M. Rosen.
>>>
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> > All my extra time is taken up with the Cliff Notes' Algebra I!
>
>Express this in the form of an equation and solve it.

ET < R + U + A

Solution:  Drop the class.


bonnie

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Yes, I'm glad you didn't die.  I read in the newspaper that two or more
people did die at this year's Burning Man.  Did you see Shoshana there??


>WELCOME, CLO!

bonnie

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> > The computers are in different
> > rooms so they aren't networked. I know there's lots of new, even cheap
> > technology out there that we just haven't taken advantage of

There is even old and cheap technology to accomplish such a networking.  We
bought a cable and drilled holes in the floor so that we could it run it
under the bathroom and between the two computers in two different
rooms.  Voila!  Networked!

> > put them on a floppy which only holds 1.4M, then open them again in
> > Photoshop and all the info and size is still there. Do you understand that?
> > ff

I don't understand it myself.  But I think it involves gravitational forces
and a four star cave in the center of the earth.


bonnie

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>Karen Kay wrote:
> >> Sure - and when that is necessary, attachments are fine. But if all you
> >> are doing is callng a committee meeting for next Thursday, it hardly
> >> seems necessary.
> >
> >Some people attach the agenda.
>
>Why not sinmply 1., 2., 3.?
>Bethany

Because you have already typed it up as a Word document in a proper format
and find it easier to simply attach it to the email where, someone not
stuck in yesterday's technology, would find it easy to print out.


bonnie

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No, he's collecting information for a paper that his wife is writing about
Online Neuroses.


>        He's a spy!
>
>Bill wrote:
>
>>So there is no official moderator, the bios that exist are obsolete and any
>>new ones will be faked.
>>
>>Who would you say sets the tenor of the list?  Are there certain people who
>>tend to dominate the list?  People whose opinions are most often deferred
>>to?
>>
>>I detect a flippancy and randomness of content but you aren't discussing
>>canniblism or pederastry so someone must be keeping you in deeper waters.
>>
>>My bio is that I am 53 years old. I am married to Linda and we have 3
>>children ages 28, 23, and 19.  My oldest son teaches English at Texas A& M.
>>My daughter teaches special education to 2nd and 3rd graders.  My youngest
>>son is a sophmore at the University of Southern Mississippi.  My wife and I
>>are both nurses.  She works with psychiatric patients  on a day shift and I
>>work on a Telemetry Unit (Cardiology) on nights.   I developed a profound
>>interest in words, in 1971 it occurred to me that it was a miracle that we
>>could all understand one another.  What a marvelous thing language was! I
>>have since been consumed with a fascination as to how words are used to
>>communicate thought... blah blah.  I have 2 dogs and 3 cats (down from 3
>>dogs and 5 cats a year ago) and I live just outside of New Orleans.
>>
>>Bizarro Bill
>>
>>
>>
>>.----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Marty Rosen" <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
>>To: <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 9:08 PM
>>Subject: Re: Who are you people?
>>
>>
>>
>>>Every once in a while, at the most unlikely moments, one discerns a sliver
>>>of hope.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>My goodness, Natalie, almost none of those people are
>>>>still on this list.
>>>>
>>>>                  - D. M.
>>>_________________________________________________________________
>>>Use custom emotions -- try MSN Messenger 6.0!
>>>http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_emoticon
>
>
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>
>

bonnie

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There is a legend, recounted by the list-elders at night as the campfire
flickers, of a Great Moderator, a blonde-haired blue-eyed man of husky
stature who led us from the wilderness of bitnet into the promised land and
then, one stormy night, disappeared into the vapor.  According the
list-elders, the Great Moderator will one day return, bearing valuable
gifts.  Do you, by chance, bear valuable gifts?

>From: Bill <brintala@BELLSOUTH.NET>

>I detect a flippancy and randomness of content but you aren't discussing
>canniblism or pederastry so someone must be keeping you in deeper waters.

It is the memory of the Great Moderator.


>My bio is that I am 53 years old. I am married to Linda and we have 3
>children ages 28, 23, and 19.  My oldest son teaches English at Texas A& M.
>My daughter teaches special education to 2nd and 3rd graders.  My youngest
>son is a sophmore at the University of Southern Mississippi.  My wife and I
>are both nurses.  She works with psychiatric patients  on a day shift and I
>work on a Telemetry Unit (Cardiology) on nights.   I developed a profound
>interest in words, in 1971 it occurred to me that it was a miracle that we
>could all understand one another.  What a marvelous thing language was! I
>have since been consumed with a fascination as to how words are used to
>communicate thought... blah blah.  I have 2 dogs and 3 cats (down from 3
>dogs and 5 cats a year ago) and I live just outside of New Orleans.
>
>Bizarro Bill
>
>
>
>.----- Original Message -----
>From: "Marty Rosen" <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
>To: <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 9:08 PM
>Subject: Re: Who are you people?
>
>
> > Every once in a while, at the most unlikely moments, one discerns a
>sliver
> > of hope.
> >
> >
> > >My goodness, Natalie, almost none of those people are
> > >still on this list.
> > >
> > >                   - D. M.
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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The great Cecil will answer my question.  Just you wait.  Then you'll be
sorry you made fun of me.


>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
>>
>If you strike a state border leave it alone!

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In "How to Stuff a Wild Bikini" Annette Funicello sings:

The perfect boy doesn't have to be Hercules.
The perfect boy doesn't have to be Euripides.
The perfect boy only has to be true to me.

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Wow.  What a blast from the past.  There are several names there that I had not thought about in a long time.  I wish now that I had taken the time to write a bio back then.
 
BrP
 
 


>>> leonard@BC.EDU 09/09/03 09:05AM >>>
Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Have you ever shared
>bios?
>
>
>
>Yes:  ftp://ftp.msstate.edu/docs/words-l/List-Stuff/bios 
>
>
>
Wow, I didn't even remember that I had a bio out there :-)  My, how my 'family' has changed!  Dopey dog has been replaced by a husband and now there are five different cats.

Rita L.

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Another thought occurs to me this morning.  At the present time you have the
entire mass of the Earth beneath you.  You don't even notice this
gravitational pull until you jump up and down or you drop or throw
something.  At the center of the earth this force would be even less,
theoretically 1/2.   I'd say that if you could survive the heat and pressure
you would not notice the effects of gravity.

Bizarro Bill
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> Suppose that you were able to journey to the center of the earth, and that
> there you found a hollow spot, air to breathe, etc.  Once there, would you
> be weightless, or would you be torn asunder by the competing gravitational
> pull acting on you from all the points of the surrounding sphere?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Marty Rosen" <meeberphobia@hotmail.com>
> In "How to Stuff a Wild Bikini" Annette Funicello sings:
>
> The perfect boy doesn't have to be Hercules.
> The perfect boy doesn't have to be Euripides.
> The perfect boy only has to be true to me.

So you qualify?

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I thought this line from Lisa's bio was very interesting
 
"At present I am not seeing anyone but, I do date my ex-boyfriend when I'm in the mood for a free dinner and if I'm real good he'll take me to the movies."
 
 
BrP
 
 

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Bikini stuffing?
 
Euripides?
 
BrP
 
 


>>> meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM 09/09/03 10:04AM >>>
In "How to Stuff a Wild Bikini" Annette Funicello sings:

The perfect boy doesn't have to be Hercules.
The perfect boy doesn't have to be Euripides.
The perfect boy only has to be true to me.

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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Bill wrote:
> You don't even notice this gravitational pull until you jump up and
> down or you drop or throw something.

I beg to differ, and I have one word for you: Pilates. Do Pilates, and
you, too, will spend a lot of time noticing gravity. 'Orthogonal to
gravity' is my favorite phrase.

Karen

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On Monday, September 08, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> Here's some info:
>> http://www.loomis.8k.com/page6.html
>> http://www.hawaiianhistory.org/sumr1898.html
>>
>> Oh, and Lynne, remind me to tell you about my
>> Hawaiian lg. story.

> "Hawaiian lg. story?", she asked warily.

I think I've told this on this service before, though not since you've
been here. It has to do with the mythical character Kapeenukukku,
about whom much has been written.

Karen

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The business section of the paper today has an article about Time
Warner cable 'seeking to offer phone service'.

There's also an article about a new system that will allow SBC and
Cingular customers to link their lines.

Karen

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Barfoot" <Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU>

Bikini stuffing?

Euripides?

BrP

Sure... You know... like the loan dissolution clerk who works for Tom & Ray
Magliozzi.  Except in this case it's Euripides Offandgetaneyefull.

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> The great Cecil will answer my question.  Just you
> wait.  Then you'll be
> sorry you made fun of me.


It is getting to be that time of year.

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> Sure... You know... like the loan dissolution clerk
> who works for Tom & Ray


They lend out a clerk just to be dissolute?  Ms. Kay,
have you considered this field of endeavor?

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02003-09-09 | bonniev <bonniev@GWI.NET> writes:
> >> All my extra time is taken up with the Cliff Notes' Algebra I!
> >
> >Express this in the form of an equation and solve it.
>
> ET < R + U + A

Wrong

> Solution:  Drop the class.

Wrong

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02003-09-09 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Bill wrote:
> > You don't even notice this gravitational pull until you jump up and
> > down or you drop or throw something.
>
> I beg to differ, and I have one word for you: Pilates. Do Pilates, and
> you, too, will spend a lot of time noticing gravity. 'Orthogonal to
> gravity' is my favorite phrase.

What does it mean?

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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Bill to the list.

I would -not- like to give a bio or a description of myself.

However - I'm in Hawaiian-shirt-luau-first-days-at-college mixer mode -
it might be fun for each of us to pick a name out of a hat and offer a
bio/description (short or long, sweet, salty or sour) of that other
person.

Somebody could think of a way of arbitrarily assigning the names.

Ann
Cruise Ship Fun Lady

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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 10:26:53 -0500
From: Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>
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On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 05:15:16 -0500, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote
(quoting ff):

> > So what I do, until we buy another
> > scanner, is scan into the old computer pictures I want to improve, put them
> > on a floppy, and bring to the new computer.

> > When I look in Explorer to copy to a floppy, I see that
> > they are listed as Imager files and only 225K in size. This is a zip or
> > something that Microsoft Imager does on it's own. Then they will all fit on
> > one floppy. When I take this to the new computer and open them in Photoshop
> > again, they revert to the 5.6M size file. How can they do this? It's a good
> > thing but I don't understand how I can take 4 or 5 pictures of around 5M,
> > put them on a floppy which only holds 1.4M, then open them again in
> > Photoshop and all the info and size is still there. Do you understand that?

        There are probably a few things going on here:

* First, Imager is probably using a lossy compression scheme such as JPEG that
actually deletes information out of the picture in ways you don't notice without
looking closely.  This is not normally a problem, as most of the information is
visually redundant, but it can become a problem if you repeatedly compress and
uncompress -- each time the image's quality will degrade, like making a
photocopy of a photocopy.

* Second, and I am not a Photoshop expert, so this is an educated guess, but
when Photoshop opens a picture, it no doubt expands it to store it in RAM in its
internal format, which is probably 24- or 32-bit, even if the original image is
8- or 16-bit.  This allows Photoshop to more easily work with the image in
memory, but it can be deceptive about how much space it's going to take up on
disk.  This can easily multiply the image's size by a factor of 1.5 - 4.  And
that's on top of the decompression.

        I really don't think there's anything to worry about with the possible
exception of the lossy compression.  In general when you're working with images
you don't want to use a lossy compression format as part of your process at
least until the end result, when you might want to make the images into JPEGs to
put on the Web or to email to friends, so as to save bandwidth for the people
who will be viewing the images.  But keep the originals (as TIFFs, PNGs,
Photoshop files, or some other lossless format), because once an image has
undergone lossy compression, it has lost information that will never come back.
But when the equipment you've got is what you've got, if it looks good enough it
is good enough.

--
Take care,
Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>
Graphics twiddler

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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> Somebody could think of a way of arbitrarily assigning the names.

This reeks of family feud.

Karen

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Happy Birthday, Tom!

Tom Lee wrote:

--

Rita L.

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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 10:38:17 -0500
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        There's a bit of cognitive dissonance here, arising not from the physics but
from the organization of this paragraph.  If things are weightless at the center
of the earth, then all that rock doesn't have any weight either and won't be
crushing anything.  Right?  No, because even though the (doubtless molten) rock
right there at the center doesn't weigh anything, the rock that's farther out in
all directions does, and it's all pushing inward on the rock at the center, like
the skin of a balloon pushing in on the gas inside it.  But this balloon's skin
is thousands of miles thick and made of rock, and there's molten iron and other
elements at the core, not air.  You would in fact be crushed like a bug at the
center of this balloon, all righty, and char-broiled at the same time.  But you
wouldn't weigh anything while you were at it.

--
Take care,
Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>
Weightlessness is for the birds.  Where is Cecil?

On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 01:27:56 -0500, Bill <brintala@BELLSOUTH.NET> wrote:

> I think that I know this one.  Gravity is only one of the forces that you
> would have to contend with.  The rule of physics states that the force of
> gravity is inversely proportional to your distance from the center of mass
> of an object.  The center of mass is a hypothetical place. As you burrow
> into the earth the forces of gravity would diminish until you reached a
> point where the mass above you was equal to the mass below you.   You might
> be weightless there except for other factors.  The primary factor would be
> the weight of the 2000 miles of rock over your head.  We are all familiar
> with the idea that as we descend to deeper depths in water the pressure gets
> greater.  Hydrostatic pressure at great sea depths can crush a submarine.
> Similarly the earth presses in as you go down with what is known as
> lithostatic pressure.   Pressure at the Earth's surface is 14.7 pounds per
> square inch but at the earth's center it is about 3900 metric tons/cm
> enough to crush you like a bug.
>
> Bizarro Bill
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marty Rosen" <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
> To: <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 10:34 PM
> Subject: gravitational forces at the center of the earth
>
>
> > Most esteemed Cecil,
> >
> > Suppose that you were able to journey to the center of the earth, and that
> > once there you found a hollow spot, air to breathe, a cool hotel suite
> with
> > a wet bar, and other amenities like that.  Once you had arrived at the
> > center, would you be weightless? Or would you be torn limb from limb by
> > competing gravitational forces pulling at you from all points of the
> > surrounding planetary sphere?
> >
> > Please answer quickly.  I'm digging a hole in my back yard and need to
> know.
> >
> > Marty Rosen, Louisville, KY

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um... dissolution clerk...  His name was Euripides Upsir, or something like
that  ;-)


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> > Sure... You know... like the loan dissolution clerk
> > who works for Tom & Ray
>
>
> They lend out a clerk just to be dissolute?  Ms. Kay,
> have you considered this field of endeavor?
>
> __________________________________
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At 10:27 AM 9/9/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:

>This reeks of family feud.

Well, you got the first part right...

cwv

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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> At 10:27 AM 9/9/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:

>>This reeks of family feud.

> Well, you got the first part right...

Family. Oh, REEKS! Yes.

Karen
"Old age and treachery/Always overcomes youth and skill."--Willie Nelson

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We are bordered by bees.  Bizarro Bill, Bad Betty -
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On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 11:31:31 -0400, Rita Leonard <leonard@BC.EDU> wrote:

> Happy Birthday, Tom!

        Hey hey!  Thank you, Rita!

--
Take care,
Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>
Birthday boy

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One of my favorite childern's books from when I was reading them aloud every night *nostalgic sigh* is tthe Berenstain's B Book
 

Big brown

Big brown bear

Big brown bear, blue bull

Big brown bear, blue bull, beautiful baboon

Big brown bear, blue bull, beautiful baboon blowing bubbles...

Big brown bear, blue bull, beautiful baboon blowing bubbles biking backward, bump...

BAM!!! 

Big brown bear, blue bull, beautiful baboon blowing bubbles biking backward, bump black bug's banana boxes...

BOP!!!

Big brown bear, blue bull, beautiful baboon blowing bubbles biking backward, bump black bug's banana boxes and Billy Bunny's breadbasket...

Big brown bear, blue bull, beautiful baboon blowing bubbles biking backward, bump black bug's banana boxes and Billy Bunny's breadbasket and ...

BONK!!!

Brother Bob's baseball bus...

BOOM!!!

Big brown bear, 
blue bull, beautiful baboon 
blowing bubbles biking backward, 
bump black bug's banana boxes and 
Billy Bunny's breadbasket and 
Brother Bob's baseball bus and 
Buster Beagle's banjo-
bagpipe-bugle band...

and that's what...

broke Baby Bird's balloon.
----------------

BrP
 
 
 
 

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On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, bonniev wrote:

>>Why not sinmply 1., 2., 3.?
>>Bethany
>
>Because you have already typed it up as a Word document in a proper format
>and find it easier to simply attach it to the email where, someone not
>stuck in yesterday's technology, would find it easy to print out.

I'm missing something here. I have this vision of 25 people around the
campus all taking time to download and print out copies of a half-page
memo that consists of 3 sentences and agenda items 1-3. That seem very
unnecessary.

Maybe it's this - I have colleagues who routinely PRINT every memo they
get - even when it is clearly unnecessary. I almost never print routine
memos. I read them, note time and place, etc., then go on about my
business. Is that it?

Bethany

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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> I'm missing something here. I have this vision of 25 people around the
> campus all taking time to download and print out copies of a half-page
> memo that consists of 3 sentences and agenda items 1-3. That seem very
> unnecessary.

Where do you take your notes? I prefer to take mine on the agenda
rather than in a notebook or on Yet Another sheet of paper.

Also, this way, you get to check the agenda items off as they are
completed.:)

> Maybe it's this - I have colleagues who routinely PRINT every memo they
> get - even when it is clearly unnecessary. I almost never print routine
> memos. I read them, note time and place, etc., then go on about my
> business. Is that it?

I did this as an academic--every single time I didn't, it came back to
bite me. (I would have saved the e-mail, but we had ridiculously small
limits, and e-mail was in a proprietary format.)

Karen
"Old age and treachery/Always overcomes youth and skill."--Willie Nelson

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Adam:
> I already have three copies of the memo!

Just move your things to the basement.

And shut up about that damn stapler.

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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> One of my favorite childern's books from when I was reading them
> aloud every night *nostalgic sigh* is tthe Berenstain's B Book

I love you, my beautiful baboon.

Maybe you can try reading Tina a book Wednesday night?:)

Karen
"Old age and treachery/Always overcomes youth and skill."--Willie Nelson

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Lynne:
> How could you be so banal?

That cross-species stuff gets me all squicky.

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bonnie:
>>Because you have already typed it up as a Word document
>>in a proper format and find it easier to simply attach
>>it to the email where, someone not stuck in yesterday's
>>technology, would find it easy to print out.

Why are you so certain all your recipients use Word?

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> I get it!!! You and My Sweet Polenta were switched at birth!

Stay away from me.

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Here is a question of some gravity.  What does the Earth weigh?   Not its
mass but its weight.  Would the Earth weigh the same on Jupiter as it would
on the Moon?

Bizarro Bill
----- Original Message -----
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>         There's a bit of cognitive dissonance here, arising not from the
physics but
> from the organization of this paragraph.  If things are weightless at the
center
> of the earth, then all that rock doesn't have any weight either and won't
be
> crushing anything.  Right?  No, because even though the (doubtless molten)
rock
> right there at the center doesn't weigh anything, the rock that's farther
out in
> all directions does, and it's all pushing inward on the rock at the
center, like
> the skin of a balloon pushing in on the gas inside it.  But this balloon's
skin
> is thousands of miles thick and made of rock, and there's molten iron and
other
> elements at the core, not air.  You would in fact be crushed like a bug at
the
> center of this balloon, all righty, and char-broiled at the same time.
But you
> wouldn't weigh anything while you were at it.
>
> --
> Take care,
> Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>
> Weightlessness is for the birds.  Where is Cecil?
>
> On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 01:27:56 -0500, Bill <brintala@BELLSOUTH.NET> wrote:
>
> > I think that I know this one.  Gravity is only one of the forces that
you
> > would have to contend with.  The rule of physics states that the force
of
> > gravity is inversely proportional to your distance from the center of
mass
> > of an object.  The center of mass is a hypothetical place. As you burrow
> > into the earth the forces of gravity would diminish until you reached a
> > point where the mass above you was equal to the mass below you.   You
might
> > be weightless there except for other factors.  The primary factor would
be
> > the weight of the 2000 miles of rock over your head.  We are all
familiar
> > with the idea that as we descend to deeper depths in water the pressure
gets
> > greater.  Hydrostatic pressure at great sea depths can crush a
submarine.
> > Similarly the earth presses in as you go down with what is known as
> > lithostatic pressure.   Pressure at the Earth's surface is 14.7 pounds
per
> > square inch but at the earth's center it is about 3900 metric tons/cm
> > enough to crush you like a bug.
> >
> > Bizarro Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Marty Rosen" <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
> > To: <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 10:34 PM
> > Subject: gravitational forces at the center of the earth
> >
> >
> > > Most esteemed Cecil,
> > >
> > > Suppose that you were able to journey to the center of the earth, and
that
> > > once there you found a hollow spot, air to breathe, a cool hotel suite
> > with
> > > a wet bar, and other amenities like that.  Once you had arrived at the
> > > center, would you be weightless? Or would you be torn limb from limb
by
> > > competing gravitational forces pulling at you from all points of the
> > > surrounding planetary sphere?
> > >
> > > Please answer quickly.  I'm digging a hole in my back yard and need to
> > know.
> > >
> > > Marty Rosen, Louisville, KY

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How many Birthdays have you had Tom?


----- Original Message -----
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> On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 11:31:31 -0400, Rita Leonard <leonard@BC.EDU> wrote:
>
> > Happy Birthday, Tom!
>
>         Hey hey!  Thank you, Rita!
>
> --
> Take care,
> Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>
> Birthday boy

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02003-09-09 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> I'm missing something here. I have this vision of 25 people around the
> campus all taking time to download and print out copies of a half-page
> memo that consists of 3 sentences and agenda items 1-3. That seem very
> unnecessary.
>
> Maybe it's this - I have colleagues who routinely PRINT every memo they
> get - even when it is clearly unnecessary. I almost never print routine
> memos. I read them, note time and place, etc., then go on about my
> business. Is that it?

Dr Dumas,

Thank you for not participating in the corporate-like waste
of resources brought on by "convenient applications" like
Word. All "convenience" advocates should be forced to write
their utterly insignificant notes on the backs of old 1-sided
printouts. We look to the university campus as the last bastion
of sense in this regard.

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On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>Where do you take your notes? I prefer to take mine on the agenda
>rather than in a notebook or on Yet Another sheet of paper.

I seldom take notes. All my committees have persons assigned to take
minutes.

>Also, this way, you get to check the agenda items off as they are
>completed.:)

Not one of my hobbies!

>> Maybe it's this - I have colleagues who routinely PRINT every memo they
>> get - even when it is clearly unnecessary. I almost never print routine
>> memos. I read them, note time and place, etc., then go on about my
>> business. Is that it?
>
>I did this as an academic--every single time I didn't, it came back to
>bite me. (I would have saved the e-mail, but we had ridiculously small
>limits, and e-mail was in a proprietary format.)

Again, not one of my hobbies. I can check the electronic copy if I need
to.

Bethany

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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>Where do you take your notes? I prefer to take mine on the agenda
>>rather than in a notebook or on Yet Another sheet of paper.

> I seldom take notes. All my committees have persons assigned to take
> minutes.

>>Also, this way, you get to check the agenda items off as they are
>>completed.:)

> Not one of my hobbies!

>>> Maybe it's this - I have colleagues who routinely PRINT every memo they
>>> get - even when it is clearly unnecessary. I almost never print routine
>>> memos. I read them, note time and place, etc., then go on about my
>>> business. Is that it?
>>
>>I did this as an academic--every single time I didn't, it came back to
>>bite me. (I would have saved the e-mail, but we had ridiculously small
>>limits, and e-mail was in a proprietary format.)

> Again, not one of my hobbies. I can check the electronic copy if I need
> to.

So we should all behave as you do! Got it.

Karen
"Old age and treachery/Always overcomes youth and skill."--Willie Nelson

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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, hominy cricket wrote:
>> I get it!!! You and My Sweet Polenta were switched at birth!

> Stay away from me.

If ever I have read a silent scream of "Come closer!", this is it...

Karen
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On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>So we should all behave as you do! Got it.

Lord, who said that?

Bethany

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Where?  (I mean what town, not where is NO.)

Slidell

And what happened to the dog and two cats you lost?

Dog (Apollo, a 10 year old Golden Retriever and my bestest friend ever) gran
mal seizures due to a brain tumor.  Had to put him down in July.  It broke
my heart, I still cry when I buy dog food.

Cat 1 (Shanti, an 18 year old Burmese) went into kidney failure and we put
her down a year ago.

Cat 2 (Emcee, a 12 year old Maine Coon and my bed partner) developed cancer
of the jaw.  We didn't even notice until his jaw broke and the vet xrayed
him and said that all of the bone was gone.  The cancer had eatten away his
entire lower jawbone.  We put him down in May. I'll wake up sometimes and
miss him terribly.

We still have 2 dogs Isis, a 4 year old Golden Retriever and Madigan, a 1
year old Beagle and 3 cats.  Kamilla a 3 year old Maine Coone, Austin a 12
year old all American Breed, and Khan a 15 year old Himalayan


----- Original Message -----
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> Bill wrote:
>
> >  and I live just outside of New Orleans.
>
> Where?  (I mean what town, not where is NO.)  And what happened to the
> dog and two cats you lost?  I will have more questions later.  Need to
> rush now.  This week is much too busy.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>So we should all behave as you do! Got it.

> Lord, who said that?

I am not your Lord.

Karen
"Old age and treachery/Always overcomes youth and skill."--Willie Nelson

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Leni Riefenstahl's death was all over the news this AM, and not a word
about Warren Zevon! :(

How did he get mesothelioma anyway--I thought that is caused by
asbestos exposure?

Karen

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Warren Zevon's death was all over the news yesterday.
 
 


>>> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM 09/09/03 01:56PM >>>
Leni Riefenstahl's death was all over the news this AM, and not a word
about Warren Zevon! :(

How did he get mesothelioma anyway--I thought that is caused by
asbestos exposure?

Karen

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(1) The thing I was trying to remember about phone company and
cable company wasn't about the cable company.  It was that
BellSouth might buy DirecTV (or some part of it -- something
about Pegasus and DirecTV feuding).  Where I got cable tied into
my head re that was that DirecTV also offers net access.  That's
why I said to the person who mentioned it several weeks ago
something about their being competitors -- DSL vs satellite modem.

(2) I asked my physicist friend whether he'd answered the
center-of-the-earth question I had e-mailed him this morning.
He said yes.  Y'all will have to wait for the answer, though,
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(I didn't ask him what the answer was.  We had too many other
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(3) A third item I just thought about:  I thought the next
Survivor was supposed to be the one involving former winners
and runners-up or whatever.  But apparently it's not.  Somebody
said today that a female mortician from Mississippi is going to
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   --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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Shirley, you jest.
 
 


>>> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM 09/09/03 01:56PM >>>
On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>So we should all behave as you do! Got it.

> Lord, who said that?

I am not your Lord.

Karen
"Old age and treachery/Always overcomes youth and skill."--Willie Nelson

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On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>Dr Dumas,
>
>Thank you for not participating in the corporate-like waste
>of resources brought on by "convenient applications" like
>Word. All "convenience" advocates should be forced to write
>their utterly insignificant notes on the backs of old 1-sided
>printouts. We look to the university campus as the last bastion
>of sense in this regard.

My pleasure (actually, my hobby).

: )

Dr. Dumas

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On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> Lord, who said that?
>
>I am not your Lord.

Then butt out, kid! I was not speaking to you, obviously.

Bethany

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No $#!+ ... but they had his son on a last Saturday morning I think... yeah,
cause it was Scott Simon leading the eulogy.

I don't know the cause of the cancer, Karen, but I'll bet Hunter Thompson
prolly knows something about it ;-)

Tell me if you need a source of his MP3s... I've got a bunch.

Anyway... Now he can sleep...

'Alan, the headless Thompson gunner


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> Leni Riefenstahl's death was all over the news this AM, and not a word
> about Warren Zevon! :(
>
> How did he get mesothelioma anyway--I thought that is caused by
> asbestos exposure?
>
> Karen

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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> Warren Zevon's death was all over the news yesterday.

Ah. I am a day late and a dollar short.

Well, more than a dollar, actually, but that's neither here nor
there...

Karen
"Old age and treachery/Always overcomes youth and skill."--Willie Nelson

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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Paul Barfoot wrote:
> Warren Zevon's death was all over the news yesterday.

What did they say about how got mesothelioma?

Karen
"Old age and treachery/Always overcomes youth and skill."--Willie Nelson

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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>> Lord, who said that?
>>
>>I am not your Lord.

> Then butt out, kid! I was not speaking to you, obviously.

Uh-huh.

Karen
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I'm going nomail until the 19th.  I leave early tomorrow morning for Portland - to see my daughter Tina and her partner Melissa.  YaY!
 
BrP
 
 

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At 03:20 PM 9/9/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>I'm going nomail until the 19th.  I leave early tomorrow morning for
>Portland - to see my daughter Tina and her partner Melissa.  YaY!
>
>BrP
>
>

Write every day!  Larry and Ryan are taking off for Montana tomorrow and
I'll join them Monday.

Betty

P.S.  If you can't write, call.

>

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On 9 Sep 2003 at 12:56, Karen Kay wrote:

> Leni Riefenstahl's death was all over the news this AM, and not a word
> about Warren Zevon! :(

Who's Warren Zevon?

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--On Tuesday, September 09, 2003 11:31 AM -0400 Rita Leonard
<leonard@BC.EDU> wrote:

> Happy Birthday, Tom!
>

Hope it's a good one.

Terry

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Thanks.  This is helpful and to the point.  Cecil is the "straight dope"
columnist (his column is syndicated; see it in the Chicago Reader).


>From: Tom Lee <flint@KIVA.NET>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: gravitational forces at the center of the earth
>Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 10:38:17 -0500
>
>         There's a bit of cognitive dissonance here, arising not from the
>physics but
>from the organization of this paragraph.  If things are weightless at the
>center
>of the earth, then all that rock doesn't have any weight either and won't
>be
>crushing anything.  Right?  No, because even though the (doubtless molten)
>rock
>right there at the center doesn't weigh anything, the rock that's farther
>out in
>all directions does, and it's all pushing inward on the rock at the center,
>like
>the skin of a balloon pushing in on the gas inside it.  But this balloon's
>skin
>is thousands of miles thick and made of rock, and there's molten iron and
>other
>elements at the core, not air.  You would in fact be crushed like a bug at
>the
>center of this balloon, all righty, and char-broiled at the same time.  But
>you
>wouldn't weigh anything while you were at it.
>
>--
>Take care,
>Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>
>Weightlessness is for the birds.  Where is Cecil?
>
>On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 01:27:56 -0500, Bill <brintala@BELLSOUTH.NET> wrote:
>
> > I think that I know this one.  Gravity is only one of the forces that
>you
> > would have to contend with.  The rule of physics states that the force
>of
> > gravity is inversely proportional to your distance from the center of
>mass
> > of an object.  The center of mass is a hypothetical place. As you burrow
> > into the earth the forces of gravity would diminish until you reached a
> > point where the mass above you was equal to the mass below you.   You
>might
> > be weightless there except for other factors.  The primary factor would
>be
> > the weight of the 2000 miles of rock over your head.  We are all
>familiar
> > with the idea that as we descend to deeper depths in water the pressure
>gets
> > greater.  Hydrostatic pressure at great sea depths can crush a
>submarine.
> > Similarly the earth presses in as you go down with what is known as
> > lithostatic pressure.   Pressure at the Earth's surface is 14.7 pounds
>per
> > square inch but at the earth's center it is about 3900 metric tons/cm
> > enough to crush you like a bug.
> >
> > Bizarro Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Marty Rosen" <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
> > To: <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 10:34 PM
> > Subject: gravitational forces at the center of the earth
> >
> >
> > > Most esteemed Cecil,
> > >
> > > Suppose that you were able to journey to the center of the earth, and
>that
> > > once there you found a hollow spot, air to breathe, a cool hotel suite
> > with
> > > a wet bar, and other amenities like that.  Once you had arrived at the
> > > center, would you be weightless? Or would you be torn limb from limb
>by
> > > competing gravitational forces pulling at you from all points of the
> > > surrounding planetary sphere?
> > >
> > > Please answer quickly.  I'm digging a hole in my back yard and need to
> > know.
> > >
> > > Marty Rosen, Louisville, KY

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02003-09-09 | Bill <brintala@BELLSOUTH.NET> writes:
> Here is a question of some gravity.  What does the Earth weigh?   Not its
> mass but its weight.  Would the Earth weigh the same on Jupiter as it would
> on the Moon?

At the moment, yes. It weighs pretty much zero on both. But if it
were "close enough" it would weigh greater on Jupiter. (As for the
moon--well it's more conventional to ask what would the moon weigh
on the earth. If the word "conventional" is applicable here.)

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On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Tom Lee wrote:

>There's a bit of cognitive dissonance here, arising not from the physics
.... etc.

Happy Birthday, anyway!

Bethany

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mem:
>>Leni Riefenstahl's death was all over the news
>>this AM, and not a word about Warren Zevon! :(
> Who's Warren Zevon?

Didn't Leni have a fairly famous boyfriend?

jeez, his name escapes me at the moment.

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They had to install the cable from the outside, which the
apartment manager had sworn would never happen.
Because of her obstinance, we've had to wait a week.

I think it's hilarious.

Evelyn Duncan
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I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
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Did your cable T.V. service heal up?

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> (1) The thing I was trying to remember about phone company and
> cable company wasn't about the cable company.  It was that
> BellSouth might buy DirecTV (or some part of it -- something
> about Pegasus and DirecTV feuding).  Where I got cable tied into
> my head re that was that DirecTV also offers net access.  That's
> why I said to the person who mentioned it several weeks ago
> something about their being competitors -- DSL vs satellite modem.



Kevin was told that good Bell corporate citizens get DirecTV
(we choose not to have any pay TV).  I'm pretty sure there
is already some sort of corporate relationship going on,
though I can't remember what it is.



--
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Subject: Re: cable:  last act
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--- Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> wrote:
> They had to install the cable from the outside,
> which the
> apartment manager had sworn would never happen.
> Because of her obstinance, we've had to wait a week.
>
> I think it's hilarious.

Our posts whizzed past each other.  I'm glad you think
it's hilarious, because the joke's on Tracy, heh heh heh.

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The newspaper ads for this Saturday's
Tulane-Dawgs game tout MSU as:

SEC POWERHOUSE
 Mississippi
    State

So, it's been MSU pounding the shit
out of everybody all these years, not
Tennessee and Florida and Alabama.

Huh.  Who knew?

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Lynne Weber wrote:

>>        I'd like to hereby announce what Words-L is
>>good for:  I am
>>beyond fully prepared for graduate philosophy
>>courses.  I
>>can out-question and talk around and manipulate
>>everyone!
>>They'd last 30 seconds here. I have learned from the
>>best.
>>
>
>
> Are the best now among your victims, the manipulatees?


They are not victims; they are my colleagues.  But now I'm
thoroughly bored with the class.



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rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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        Quit hogging the valuable gifts.

Marty Rosen wrote:

> Don't trust her.  She's a tricky one, she is.  Do you bring valuable gifts?
>
>> From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>>
>> You are mistaken. This one doesn't.
>>
>> Karen
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95.
> https://broadband.msn.com
>


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In a message dated 9/9/2003 4:54:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Did your cable T.V. service heal up?

>>

They had to install it from the outside, which that apartment manager
had sworn would never happen!

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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Nothing to add; just wanted to see
this Subject: line once more.

--
Look, it was either this or the one
with my name in it.

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In a message dated 9/9/2003 4:56:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Our posts whizzed past each other.  I'm glad you think
it's hilarious, because the joke's on Tracy, heh heh heh.

>>
Yep.  If Mom were younger, I was hoping that we would
have had to get the rabbit ears; I would have welcomed
the challenge.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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In a message dated 9/9/2003 7:33:28 AM, bonniev@GWI.NET writes:

>>WELCOME, CLO!

Happy to have you back, Clo.
Theo

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So far, I can't get this tightwad messiah to unloose any gifts whatsoever.
If he ups some, you'll get your cut of the boodle, or your boodle cut, so to
speak.

>From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Hawaiian Shirts.
>Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:56:33 -0500
>
>        Quit hogging the valuable gifts.
>
>Marty Rosen wrote:
>
>>Don't trust her.  She's a tricky one, she is.  Do you bring valuable
>>gifts?
>>
>>>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>>>
>>>You are mistaken. This one doesn't.
>>>
>>>Karen
>>
>>
>>_________________________________________________________________
>>Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95.
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>
>
>--
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>

_________________________________________________________________
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Doesn't anyone else in the complex have cable?  How did they handle it?

Betty

At 05:53 PM 9/9/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>They had to install the cable from the outside, which the
>apartment manager had sworn would never happen.
>Because of her obstinance, we've had to wait a week.
>
>I think it's hilarious.
>
>Evelyn Duncan
>brandykitt@aol.com
>I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
>Peter Venkman

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On 9 Sep 2003 at 16:45, hominy cricket wrote:

> Didn't Leni have a fairly famous boyfriend?

Yeah, but that was a long time ago. He hasn't done much for her
lately.

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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, hominy cricket wrote:
> Nothing to add; just wanted to see
> this Subject: line once more.

> --
> Look, it was either this or the one
> with my name in it.

I'm not sure why, but... As long as it's all about you, are you still
optimistic about the economy, Richard?

Karen
"Old age and treachery/Always overcomes youth and skill."--Willie Nelson

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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
> On 9 Sep 2003 at 16:45, hominy cricket wrote:

>> Didn't Leni have a fairly famous boyfriend?

> Yeah, but that was a long time ago. He hasn't done much for her
> lately.

He was her *boyfriend*????? Cite, please.

Karen
"Old age and treachery/Always overcomes youth and skill."--Willie Nelson

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In a message dated 9/9/2003 5:28:57 PM Central Daylight Time,
bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:
<<
Doesn't anyone else in the complex have cable?  How did they handle it?

>>

Theirs were all installed inside the walls; Tracey wanted Cox to do it that
way, but TCI couldn't back before we moved in, and Cox couldn't now.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:20:02 -0500, Bill <brintala@BELLSOUTH.NET> wrote:

> How many Birthdays have you had Tom?

        Technically ... only one.  But who's counting?  I am, and by the common
reckoning I've now had 35.

--
Take care,
Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>
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On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 17:17:32 -0400, "Bethany K. Dumas"
<dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> wrote:

> On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Tom Lee wrote:

> Happy Birthday, anyway!

        Thanks, Bethany!

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Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>
Having a happy birthday

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In a message dated 9/9/2003 3:10:36 PM, twild@URI.EDU writes:

>> Happy Birthday, Tom!
>
Many happy returns, Theo

PS What happened to the birthday list? I lost it and is it still available
somewhere?

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On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 17:10:18 -0400, Terry Wild <twild@URI.EDU> wrote:

> --On Tuesday, September 09, 2003 11:31 AM -0400 Rita Leonard
> <leonard@BC.EDU> wrote:
>
> > Happy Birthday, Tom!
> >
>
> Hope it's a good one.

        Thank you, Terry!

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Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>
About to head out for birthday dinner

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mem:
> > Didn't Leni have a fairly famous boyfriend?
> Yeah, but that was a long time ago. He hasn't
> done much for her lately.

You're right.  When was the last time she
put out a movie?  Alladays now you hear
about nothing but Spielberg and J.Lo and
this IMAX stuff.

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>I'm not sure why, but... As long as it's all
>about you, are you still optimistic about the
>economy, Richard?

Of course I am.  I am unabashedly optimistic
about the future of the USA.  It has changed
before, and it will change again.

It will always -- always -- be the wonder of
the world.

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Sorry, I get this way on the second Tuesday
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> He was her *boyfriend*????? Cite, please.

jeez, even some *Nazis* don't kiss and tell.


O.K., boys, who was hotter, Leni or Eva?

--
man, where did that question come from?
that's the kind of thing that won't wash off

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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, hominy cricket wrote:
> When was the last time she
> put out a movie?

1943, according to what I heard on NPR this AM.

Karen
"Old age and treachery/Always overcomes youth and skill."--Willie Nelson

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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, hominy cricket wrote:
> Of course I am.  I am unabashedly optimistic
> about the future of the USA.  It has changed
> before, and it will change again.

> It will always -- always -- be the wonder of
> the world.

> --
> Sorry, I get this way on the second Tuesday
> in September.  Just a thing.  Weird, I know.

Definitely.

Karen
"Old age and treachery/Always overcomes youth and skill."--Willie Nelson

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> You would be weightless.
> And you would not be torn limb from limb as the forces pulling on your
> molecules would balance each other out.
> (You only tear something apart when (two) forces pull on different parts of
> an object, e.g. grabbing a string of mardi gras beads on two opposing ends.
> If you grab the same bead, the string does not break. :-)
>
> > > Suppose that you were able to journey to the center of the earth, and
> that
> > > once there you found a hollow spot, air to breathe, a cool hotel suite
> with
> > > a wet bar, and other amenities like that.  Once you had arrived at the
> > > center, would you be weightless? Or would you be torn limb from limb by
> > > competing gravitational forces pulling at you from all points of the
> > > surrounding planetary sphere?
>
--
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> >I'm not sure why, but... As long as it's all
> >about you, are you still optimistic about the
> >economy, Richard?
>
> Of course I am.  I am unabashedly optimistic
> about the future of the USA.  It has changed
> before, and it will change again.
>
> It will always -- always -- be the wonder of
> the world.
>
> --
> Sorry, I get this way on the second Tuesday
> in September.  Just a thing.  Weird, I know.

Comforting words.
Thanks.

       - D. M.

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Thanks.  I take it this is from your reliable source.


>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
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>
> > You would be weightless.
> > And you would not be torn limb from limb as the forces pulling on your
> > molecules would balance each other out.
> > (You only tear something apart when (two) forces pull on different parts
>of
> > an object, e.g. grabbing a string of mardi gras beads on two opposing
>ends.
> > If you grab the same bead, the string does not break. :-)
> >
> > > > Suppose that you were able to journey to the center of the earth,
>and
> > that
> > > > once there you found a hollow spot, air to breathe, a cool hotel
>suite
> > with
> > > > a wet bar, and other amenities like that.  Once you had arrived at
>the
> > > > center, would you be weightless? Or would you be torn limb from limb
>by
> > > > competing gravitational forces pulling at you from all points of the
> > > > surrounding planetary sphere?
> >
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's soul.


>From: "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU>

> >So we should all behave as you do! Got it.
>
>Lord, who said that?
>
>Bethany

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02003-09-09 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Thanks.  I take it this is from your reliable source.

As is common--commoner than you expect--a good explanation is
marred by a ridiculous, misleading remark. Why people do that
I have no idea ... What the hell's that about "parts of an
object" etc?

> >> You would be weightless.
> >> And you would not be torn limb from limb as the forces pulling on
> >> your molecules would balance each other out.
> >> (You only tear something apart when (two) forces pull on different
> >> parts of an object, e.g. grabbing a string of mardi gras beads on
> >> two opposing ends. If you grab the same bead, the string does not
> >> break. :-)

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I take your point, but in this case I think we must grant the
asnwering-person the same amount of slack we would grant a string of mardi
gras beads, being mindful that he was answering a question that came to him
from Natalie.


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>02003-09-09 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > Thanks.  I take it this is from your reliable source.
>
>As is common--commoner than you expect--a good explanation is
>marred by a ridiculous, misleading remark. Why people do that
>I have no idea ... What the hell's that about "parts of an
>object" etc?
>
> > >> You would be weightless.
> > >> And you would not be torn limb from limb as the forces pulling on
> > >> your molecules would balance each other out.
> > >> (You only tear something apart when (two) forces pull on different
> > >> parts of an object, e.g. grabbing a string of mardi gras beads on
> > >> two opposing ends. If you grab the same bead, the string does not
> > >> break. :-)

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On 9 Sep 2003 at 18:37, Theo Groothof wrote:

> PS What happened to the birthday list? I lost it and is it still available
> somewhere?

http://www.words-l.org/textarc/bday.html

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >> Everyone's assignment is to go to the nearest
> >> university library <media center> (that was the audio-visual room last
> >> century) and watch the full (56-minute) version of "American Tongues."
> >
> >No, thank you. Why do you think we need it?
>
> The reason will be obvious if you do your assignment. If you don't do your
> assignment, you will not understand. Your choice.

I've seen it more times than I can count (and I love it).  Do I need to
watch it again to figure out the particular reason for your assignment?
It's a great video, but somehow I'm not catching onto your sudden
asssigning of it.

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         He's a spy!

He was probably hiding with Fay et al on the weed-covered rocks around
Clambake.
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Karen Kay wrote:

> I didn't realize we were talking about never using the other address.
> If you don't use it, then of course, there's no problem.

That's what I thought we were talking about.  I got the impression that
Bethany thought she might be somehow required to use the comcast address
simply because it was given to her.  I thought she didn't want to use it
(just as I don't want to use my bellsouth address since I can't imagine
why I would want to use it -- so I don't use it).

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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bonniev wrote:

> > >Some people attach the agenda.
> >
> >Why not sinmply 1., 2., 3.?
> >Bethany
>
> Because you have already typed it up as a Word document in a proper format
> and find it easier to simply attach it to the email where, someone not
> stuck in yesterday's technology, would find it easy to print out.

If I'm not responsible for running the meeting, I can't imagine printing
out the agenda.  It will happen without my holding it in my hand.  (I
was not happy to learn at today's ARF board meeting that the Pres is
going to be out of town all of October, leaving it to me as the VP to do
a zillion things.  These ARFers travel constantly.  Another officer
mentioned that he would be out of the country all of November.  And
another is going to be gone all of December.)

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> The business section of the paper today has an article about Time
> Warner cable 'seeking to offer phone service'.

But, as I reported right after lunch (which was well after this message
in the mail queue, of course), I had it confused when mentioning cable.
It was satellite.

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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> If I'm not responsible for running the meeting, I can't imagine printing
> out the agenda.  It will happen without my holding it in my hand.

True. But I am unlikely to pay attention if I don't have the agenda in
front of me, with items I can check off as I watch my watch. I stay
awake by writing notes to myself.

Karen
"Old age and treachery/Always overcomes youth and skill."--Willie Nelson

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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> I didn't realize we were talking about never using the other address.
>> If you don't use it, then of course, there's no problem.

> That's what I thought we were talking about.  I got the impression that
> Bethany thought she might be somehow required to use the comcast address
> simply because it was given to her.  I thought she didn't want to use it
> (just as I don't want to use my bellsouth address since I can't imagine
> why I would want to use it -- so I don't use it).

Interesting. I use both of mine, so I thought that's what she was
talking about. I don't believe she was explicit in this matter.

Karen
"Old age and treachery/Always overcomes youth and skill."--Willie Nelson

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Thanks, Lamplighter!!

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On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I've seen it more times than I can count (and I love it).  Do I need to
>watch it again to figure out the particular reason for your assignment?
>It's a great video, but somehow I'm not catching onto your sudden
>asssigning of it.

Think, Natalie, think.

Bethany

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Rita Leonard wrote:
>
> Happy Birthday, Tom!

Phyllis has GOT to come back to us.  HB,T!!

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Maybe it's this - I have colleagues who routinely PRINT every memo they
> get - even when it is clearly unnecessary. I almost never print routine
> memos. I read them, note time and place, etc., then go on about my
> business. Is that it?

I rarely print anything.  But something was said not long ago at lunch
about how it helps Mississippi's economy for people to use lots of paper
-- because of the forestry industry.  Trees have to be cut at whatever
interval because they'd otherwise get too crowded, and there needs to be
something to do with the cut trees.

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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Rita Leonard wrote:
>>
>> Happy Birthday, Tom!

> Phyllis has GOT to come back to us.  HB,T!!

I keep thinking we're celebrating OGOSS's BD again...

Happy Birthday, Tom and Tom.

Karen
"Old age and treachery/Always overcomes youth and skill."--Willie Nelson

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hominy cricket wrote:
>
> bonnie:
> >>Because you have already typed it up as a Word document
> >>in a proper format and find it easier to simply attach
> >>it to the email where, someone not stuck in yesterday's
> >>technology, would find it easy to print out.
>
> Why are you so certain all your recipients use Word?

That is a very good question.  I hate it when people send me Word
documents since I can't open them.  Actually, I think I can read them on
this (my home) computer because I have Wordpad, which will read Word
documents.  But students at times have sent me papers in Word that I've
wanted to read on my office computer and couldn't because it has only
Notepad, not Wordpad.  My Wordperfect will suck in documents produced by
aged Word versions, but it's too old itself to suck in anything produced
by later Word versions.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>(3) A third item I just thought about:  I thought the next
>Survivor was supposed to be the one involving former winners
>and runners-up or whatever.  But apparently it's not.  Somebody
>said today that a female mortician from Mississippi is going to
>be on the one that starts next week.
>    --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

No, it's not the former star survivors.  That should be the next one.  The
twist on the upcoming one is that they don't get to take anything with them
to the island except the clothes on their backs.  This isn't told to them
until they are on the boat and told to jump in and swim for the island.


bonnie

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02003-09-09 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> I keep thinking we're celebrating OGOSS's BD again...

Is that "Goddess of Smoked Salmon"? That makes the person in
question too unbearably, maddeningly attractive. Nobody should
that cool. Retire the name.

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>
> Just move your things to the basement.
>
> And shut up about that damn stapler.

"But..  But...  I was promised my own stapler..."

JMW, who works where that is regarded as a training film, if not a
documentary

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Bill wrote:

> Slidell

Words-L connection!  That's where I stayed when I went to NO to
rendezvous with Wordslers back whenever it was -- Zoofest time.  I also
spent one night there when I went to NO to get my work visa at the
Japanese consulate and then went and visited Richard at work and then
headed home.  I was also near Slidell on the interstate a month or so
ago, when I left McComb and headed to Bay St. Louis.  Iirc, I55 meets
I12 at Slidell.

> We still have 2 dogs Isis, a 4 year old Golden Retriever and Madigan, a 1
> year old Beagle and 3 cats.  Kamilla a 3 year old Maine Coone, Austin a 12
> year old all American Breed, and Khan a 15 year old Himalayan

You are definitely a Wordsler, in the animals you still have and in your
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but quite a few very much are.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Paul Barfoot wrote:
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> I'm going nomail until the 19th.  I leave early tomorrow morning for Portland - to see my daughter Tina and her partner Melissa.  YaY!

Bon voyage!  (I bet he won't see this.  I bet he set nomail hours ago.)
Somebody else is going somewhere on the 19th.  Or returning from
somewhere.  Who?  Where?

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hominy cricket wrote:
>
> The newspaper ads for this Saturday's
> Tulane-Dawgs game tout MSU as:
>
> SEC POWERHOUSE
>  Mississippi
>     State

ROFL!!  I hadn't realized we were playing Tulane this weekend.  I had no
idea who we were playing.  As a fair-weather fan, I quickly concluded
that ignoring fb this year is a good idea.

> So, it's been MSU pounding the shit
> out of everybody all these years, not
> Tennessee and Florida and Alabama.
>
> Huh.  Who knew?

Well, one interesting thing about MSU is the inconsistency.  We have in
fact pounded the shit out of Tennessee, Florida, and Alabama in years
when they were considered super wonderful.  It's just that we did it out
of the blue to everybody's surprise and lost to teams like Northwest
Louisiana Community College or Troy State or whoever.

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But I learned on NPR that black holes play b-flat.  Or I think that's
what I heard.  I heard only the very end of it.

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Bill wrote:

> Slidell

I know Slidell. In another life, I taught at Southern U. in Baton Rouge.

Bethany

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Marty Rosen wrote:
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> Thanks.  I take it this is from your reliable source.

Yes.  He is a very reliable source.  Highly respected in astrophysics.

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Marty Rosen wrote:
>
> I take your point, but in this case I think we must grant the
> asnwering-person the same amount of slack we would grant a string of mardi
> gras beads, being mindful that he was answering a question that came to him
> from Natalie.

This is true.  For one thing, he is used to teaching people who are not
as smart or knowledgeable as he is.  And he knows that I know zero.  (I
did tell him that the question was from Words-L, but that would not
necessarily make him think that he should be more <lofty> in his
answer.)

It's funny that we were talking at lunch today about just this kind of
subject.  A couple of people in our group had gone to a lecture
yesterday on genome stuff from a genome expert -- actually a male/female
pair who are joint genome experts.  They were said to have been terrible
beyond words -- that they had no sense at all of the general audience.
The astrophysicist whose answer I posted here was one of the ones
talking about how terrible these speakers were, and he said that he
learned some good lessons from having gone to their talk -- that he is
to be some kind of featured speaker at something in Florida soon,
talking about gamma rays, and that he is very definitely going to gear
his talk to the general audience that the talk is advertised as being
for -- that he thinks it's really bad for somebody to be oblivious to
the knowledge-level of the audience.

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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Bon voyage!  (I bet he won't see this.  I bet he set nomail hours ago.)

You would be correctimundo. I just got off the phone with him--I told
him I saw two lizards on my door, and he said he saw a large black
furry lizard with a white stripe near his car, so he was waiting to go
outside. The idea of being on a 5-hour airplane trip with someone who
has been skunked does not really sound appealing!

Karen
"Dead skunk in the middle of the road"--Loudon Wainwright III

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Natalie Maynor" <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> But I learned on NPR that black holes play b-flat.  Or I think that's
> what I heard.  I heard only the very end of it.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

No no  no... that was a different color'...

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> > Didn't Leni have a fairly famous boyfriend?
>
> Yeah, but that was a long time ago. He hasn't done
> much for her
> lately.

She said her documentaries were not propaganda because
they were factual.  Any thoughts?


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Does Pete Fountain's rendering of "Strangers on the Shore" start with
something close to b-flat?  When I heard that tiny bit of a segment of
NPR this afternoon in my car, I thought it was about to be PF playing
"Strangers on the Shore."  Then I heard that it was about black holes
and how they or at least one of them plays b-flat.  My relative pitch is
decent, but I definitely don't have absolute pitch.  So I'm curious
about why I thought that black hole noise was PF's clarinet starting
SOTS.
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> He was her *boyfriend*????? Cite, please.
>
> Karen


I believe Ms. Kay is correct in this.


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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >I've seen it more times than I can count (and I love it).  Do I need to
> >watch it again to figure out the particular reason for your assignment?
> >It's a great video, but somehow I'm not catching onto your sudden
> >asssigning of it.
>
> Think, Natalie, think.

I don't remember the context of your making that assignment.  If you'll
tell me the context, maybe I can figure out what I'm supposed to think
about.

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Karen Kay wrote:

>  I stay
> awake by writing notes to myself.

I play mind games.  I sometimes compose papers I'm about to write; I
sometimes fantasize; I sometimes think about what people in the group
might do when they get home; I sometimes declothe the people; etc. etc.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> "Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
>
>>>I've seen it more times than I can count (and I love it).  Do I need to
>>>watch it again to figure out the particular reason for your assignment?
>>>It's a great video, but somehow I'm not catching onto your sudden
>>>asssigning of it.
>>>
>>Think, Natalie, think.
>>
>
> I don't remember the context of your making that assignment.  If you'll
> tell me the context, maybe I can figure out what I'm supposed to think
> about.


        I'm not taking on additional assignments at this time.




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bonniev wrote:
>
> >(3) A third item I just thought about:  I thought the next
> >Survivor was supposed to be the one involving former winners
> >and runners-up or whatever.  But apparently it's not.  Somebody
> >said today that a female mortician from Mississippi is going to
> >be on the one that starts next week.
> >    --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
>
> No, it's not the former star survivors.  That should be the next one.  The
> twist on the upcoming one is that they don't get to take anything with them
> to the island except the clothes on their backs.  This isn't told to them
> until they are on the boat and told to jump in and swim for the island.

I really wish I had a large-screened tv!  I'm excited that it's almost
Survivor time again.  This is funny in a way since I was just feeling
guilty again about having not turned on my tv set in the past I don't
know how long -- two weeks maybe?  No, I think it hasn't been that
long.  When was it that I watched a movie that I mentioned here?  I'm
blanking on what it was about but have a memory of having mentioned it.
Wait -- it was a movie about a child who accidentally killed his
brother.

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In a message dated 9/9/2003 7:33:41 PM Central Daylight Time,
williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU writes:
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"But..  But...  I was promised my own stapler..."

JMW, who works where that is regarded as a training film, if not a
documentary
>>

Office Space?  Stephen Root is such a good actor.

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> Is that "Goddess of Smoked Salmon"? That makes the
> person in
> question too unbearably, maddeningly attractive.
> Nobody should
> that cool. Retire the name.

"O Goddess of Smoked Salmon", if you please.  You
cannot cavalierly discard part of an acronym.


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In a message dated 9/9/2003 12:56:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
brintala@BELLSOUTH.NET writes:
<<
Dog (Apollo, a 10 year old Golden Retriever and my bestest friend ever) gran
mal seizures due to a brain tumor.  Had to put him down in July.  It broke
my heart, I still cry when I buy dog food.

Cat 1 (Shanti, an 18 year old Burmese) went into kidney failure and we put
her down a year ago.

Cat 2 (Emcee, a 12 year old Maine Coon and my bed partner) developed cancer
of the jaw.  We didn't even notice until his jaw broke and the vet xrayed
him and said that all of the bone was gone.  The cancer had eatten away his
entire lower jawbone.  We put him down in May. I'll wake up sometimes and
miss him terribly.

>>

Bill, I'm sorry about your losses; our pets are members of our families, not
our possessions.


Evelyn Duncan
eduncan368@aol.com
This account protected by an attack cabbit.

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> I don't remember the context of your making that
> assignment.  If you'll
> tell me the context, maybe I can figure out what I'm
> supposed to think
> about.


She had just read the bios the Wordslers had written
some years ago.

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> Wait -- it was a movie about a child who
> accidentally killed his
> brother.


And a young woman and her baby on a bus resolved his
dilemma, or something like that.

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> Just move your things to the basement.
>
> And shut up about that damn stapler.

Excuse me. Put on more flair and then come talk to me.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> > I don't remember the context of your making that
> > assignment.  If you'll
> > tell me the context, maybe I can figure out what I'm
> > supposed to think
> > about.
>
> She had just read the bios the Wordslers had written
> some years ago.

Hmm.  I posted the url but haven't had a chance to read them (as in read
them recently -- I presumbably read them a long time ago since I
<stabled> them there in ftp space).  Was there something in them about
dialectal diversity?

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> Bill, I'm sorry about your losses; our pets are
> members of our families, not
> our possessions.


> This account protected by an attack cabbit.


Er, exactly how large is this cabbit?  Is he/she a
genial type critter?

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Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> > Wait -- it was a movie about a child who
> > accidentally killed his
> > brother.
>
> And a young woman and her baby on a bus resolved his
> dilemma, or something like that.

Yes!  I liked that movie.  But I don't remember how long ago it was that
I saw it and thus am not sure when I last turned on tv.  (I think that
movie was the last time, though I'm not totally positive.)

--
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On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Think, Natalie, think.
>
>I don't remember the context of your making that assignment.  If you'll
>tell me the context, maybe I can figure out what I'm supposed to think
>about.

Surely you jest. I do not do archives.

Bethany

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In a message dated 9/9/2003 8:54:41 PM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Er, exactly how large is this cabbit?  Is he/she a
genial type critter?

>>

Ryo-Ohki was sent to me over two years ago by a friend
who died shortly afterwards.  She's a stuffed toy based on
the character in the Tenchi Muyo series of animes.
A cabbit (part cat-part rabbit) loves carrots, can pass
through walls (well, maybe not the first time she tries),
and can turn into a spaceship.  Ryo-Ohki belonged to
the space pirate Ryoko, who was imprisoned several
thousand years ago by the Juraian prince Yosho after
he chased her to Earth.  Yosho then decided to stay
on Earth, and, in the 20th century, married, had a daughter
and then a grandson, Tenchi.  Tenchi accidentally freed
Ryoko, who assumed the form of a lovely young catlike
woman (since Ryoko took the life energy of a cat).
If you want to know anymore, I would suggest getting
the original Tenchi Muyo and Tenchi Universe tapes
(stay away from those marked "Cartoon Network":  those
are heavily edited to protect American children from
nudity and sake).

Evelyn Duncan
eduncan368@aol.com
This account protected by an attack cabbit.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >> Think, Natalie, think.
> >
> >I don't remember the context of your making that assignment.  If you'll
> >tell me the context, maybe I can figure out what I'm supposed to think
> >about.
>
> Surely you jest. I do not do archives.

No, I don't jest.  I don't know why we're talking about "American
Tongues" right now, although, as I've said, I do recommend it highly.
Even though it's getting pretty old, I think it's still excellent.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 01:50 PM 9/9/2003 -1000, you wrote:
>On 9 Sep 2003 at 18:37, Theo Groothof wrote:
>
> > PS What happened to the birthday list? I lost it and is it still available
> > somewhere?
>
>http://www.words-l.org/textarc/bday.html

Lots of September babies!

Betty

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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> He was her *boyfriend*????? Cite, please.
>>
>> Karen


> I believe Ms. Kay is correct in this.

Correct in what? Questioning the assertion?

Karen

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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> Office Space?  Stephen Root is such a good actor.

Filmed in Austin...

Karen
"Old age and treachery/Always overcomes youth and skill."--Willie Nelson

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> No, I don't jest.  I don't know why we're talking about "American
> Tongues" right now, although, as I've said, I do recommend it highly.
> Even though it's getting pretty old, I think it's still excellent.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Well, I'm interested, but the tape is getting rather elusive around here.
It exists in 3 places in the state, but doesn't circulate.  So I would have
to truck to Prov. for a viewing.

I've found it in MA and will check with interlibrary loan tomorrow as the
MA places didn't post ILL policies.

Instead, I'm occupying my time with a book entitled " The Secrets of the
Camera Obscura" by David Knowles.  I'm sure he's a distant relative.

Terry

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> Ryo-Ohki was sent to me over two years ago by a
> friend
> who died shortly afterwards.  She's a stuffed toy
> based on
> the character in the Tenchi Muyo series of animes.
> A cabbit (part cat-part rabbit) loves carrots, can
> pass
> through walls (well, maybe not the first time she
> tries),
> and can turn into a spaceship.  Ryo-Ohki belonged to
> the space pirate Ryoko, who was imprisoned several
> thousand years ago by the Juraian prince Yosho after
> he chased her to Earth.  Yosho then decided to stay
> on Earth, and, in the 20th century, married, had a
> daughter
> and then a grandson, Tenchi.  Tenchi accidentally
> freed
> Ryoko, who assumed the form of a lovely young
> catlike
> woman (since Ryoko took the life energy of a cat).

Yes, this cabbit is the stuff that dreams are made of.
 Someday I will ask one to own me.

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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>>  I stay
>> awake by writing notes to myself.

> I play mind games.  I sometimes compose papers I'm about to write; I
> sometimes fantasize; I sometimes think about what people in the group
> might do when they get home; I sometimes declothe the people; etc. etc.

But none of that implies paying attention.

Karen
"Old age and treachery/Always overcomes youth and skill."--Willie Nelson

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> > I believe Ms. Kay is correct in this.
>
> Correct in what? Questioning the assertion?

Yes, in questioning the assertion, and in the
implication within the question.

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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> > I believe Ms. Kay is correct in this.
>>
>> Correct in what? Questioning the assertion?

> Yes, in questioning the assertion, and in the
> implication within the question.

Don't read implications into my questions, please.

Karen
"Old age and treachery/Always overcomes youth and skill."--Willie Nelson

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At 07:12 PM 9/9/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > If I'm not responsible for running the meeting, I can't imagine printing
> > out the agenda.  It will happen without my holding it in my hand.
>
>True. But I am unlikely to pay attention if I don't have the agenda in
>front of me, with items I can check off as I watch my watch. I stay
>awake by writing notes to myself.

You need to check off stuff?  I guess old age and treachery does overcome
youth and skill.


>Karen
>"Old age and treachery/Always overcomes youth and skill."--Willie Nelson

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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
> Write every day!  Larry and Ryan are taking off for Montana tomorrow and
> I'll join them Monday.

Why are they going first?

Karen
"Old age and treachery/Always overcomes youth and skill."--Willie Nelson

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> Instead, I'm occupying my time with a book entitled
> " The Secrets of the
> Camera Obscura" by David Knowles.  I'm sure he's a
> distant relative.

Surely this is a book that Mme. Borinki would enjoy.
Are you a Knowles?

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> Don't read implications into my questions, please.

To engage in a discussion with you, Ms. Kay, is a
measure of the combativeness of one's character.  It
is certainly not a question of the presence of that
trait in your character.


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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Betty wrote:
> You need to check off stuff?  I guess old age and treachery does overcome
> youth and skill.

LOL. No, I don't *have* to check stuff off. I like checking off stuff.
Like on a list.

Karen
"Old age and treachery/Always overcomes youth and skill."--Willie Nelson

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >>  I stay
> >> awake by writing notes to myself.
>
> > I play mind games.  I sometimes compose papers I'm about to write; I
> > sometimes fantasize; I sometimes think about what people in the group
> > might do when they get home; I sometimes declothe the people; etc. etc.
>
> But none of that implies paying attention.

Correct.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 21:57:03 -0500
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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> Don't read implications into my questions, please.

> To engage in a discussion with you, Ms. Kay, is a
> measure of the combativeness of one's character.  It
> is certainly not a question of the presence of that
> trait in your character.

Bless your heart.

Karen
"Old age and treachery/Always overcomes youth and skill."--Willie Nelson

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At 09:50 PM 9/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
> > Write every day!  Larry and Ryan are taking off for Montana tomorrow and
> > I'll join them Monday.
>
>Why are they going first?

To prepare a place for me?  They are driving the RV and will stop by Utah
to see a Cal Football game along the way which was just coincidental.  I
can't get that much time off work right now. Ryan has to fly home, too, but
Larry will take his time and fish his way back.

Betty

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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> >>  I stay
>> >> awake by writing notes to myself.
>>
>> > I play mind games.  I sometimes compose papers I'm about to write; I
>> > sometimes fantasize; I sometimes think about what people in the group
>> > might do when they get home; I sometimes declothe the people; etc. etc.
>>
>> But none of that implies paying attention.

> Correct.

Ah, well. I think paying attention is often prudent.

Karen
"Old age and treachery/Always overcomes youth and skill."--Willie Nelson

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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Betty wrote:
> To prepare a place for me?

Kewl--homesteaders, like on Little House!

> Larry will take his time and fish his way back.

I love thinking of him this way.

Karen
"Old age and treachery/Always overcomes youth and skill."--Willie Nelson

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On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Betty wrote:
>
> You need to check off stuff?  I guess old age and treachery does overcome
> youth and skill.

Good One, Beautiful Betty!

I have appointed myself as biographical slammer.  That means, whenever I
feel like it, I will make a biographical remark.

for you, BB:

You live in Pinole.  You radiate people.  You have a gift for the
puncture of ego-balloons.  You are looking forward to release from work,
in the form of retirement, although you like your job (at least 3 years ago you did).

Ann

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At 09:55 PM 9/9/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Betty wrote:
> > You need to check off stuff?  I guess old age and treachery does overcome
> > youth and skill.
>
>LOL. No, I don't *have* to check stuff off. I like checking off stuff.
>Like on a list.

Is that considered anal?

Betty

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At 09:59 PM 9/9/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Betty wrote:
> > To prepare a place for me?
>
>Kewl--homesteaders, like on Little House!

No, like in the Scriptures.  :-)


> > Larry will take his time and fish his way back.
>
>I love thinking of him this way.

I envy  him actually. I've been fantasizing about a road trip alone but I
love traveling in the RV with Larry.  We travel well together.

I have to go put my "stuff" in there now so I don't have to pack it and
carry it on the plane.



Betty

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--On Tuesday, September 09, 2003 7:51 PM -0700 Lynne Weber
<lcweber2003@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Surely this is a book that Mme. Borinki would enjoy.

I think of her often as I read it.  It is fiction but intertwined with
historical tidbits. It is captivating.

> Are you a Knowles?

My mother was.  The family hit the shores of MA in the 1630s and branched
out from there.  I've made contact with some *very* distant cousins in CO,
and MI.

Last Friday as Ed and I explored the bike path, we passed the cemetery
where a small white obelisk peaked over the bank.  I gave a thank you
salute to Jeremiah and Abby Knowles, my GGG grandparents and told them
their genes were still trucking.

Terry

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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 23:08:59 -0400
From: Terry Wild <twild@uri.edu>
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>I can't get that much time off work right now. Ryan has to fly home, too,
> but Larry will take his time and fish his way back.
>
> Betty

How's Larry's back doing?

Terry

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At 08:00 PM 9/9/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>for you, BB:
>
>You live in Pinole.  You radiate people.  You have a gift for the
>puncture of ego-balloons.  You are looking forward to release from work,
>in the form of retirement, although you like your job (at least 3 years
>ago you did).
>
>Ann

It's more challenging this year with the budget cuts but I still get a kick
out of the students and being on campus.  I know I will miss it but look
forward to letting go of that part of my life.

Betty

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At 11:08 PM 9/9/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:
>>I can't get that much time off work right now. Ryan has to fly home, too,
>>but Larry will take his time and fish his way back.
>>
>>Betty
>
>How's Larry's back doing?

He is already no mail so I asked him.  He said "better".  Thanks for
asking.  I forgot.

Betty

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> Last Friday as Ed and I explored the bike path, we
> passed the cemetery
> where a small white obelisk peaked over the bank.  I
> gave a thank you
> salute to Jeremiah and Abby Knowles, my GGG
> grandparents and told them
> their genes were still trucking.

I honestly think they appreciate knowing that.  Good
for you.

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In a message dated 9/9/2003 5:52:24 PM, mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET writes:

>http://www.words-l.org/textarc/bday.html
>
Thanks a bunch. It's file disappeared when I got a different computer.:-(
Theo

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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 23:27:07 -0400
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--On Tuesday, September 09, 2003 8:15 PM -0700 Lynne Weber
<lcweber2003@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> gave a thank you
>> salute to Jeremiah and Abby Knowles, my GGG
>> grandparents and told them
>> their genes were still trucking.
>
> I honestly think they appreciate knowing that.  Good
> for you.
>

 I got a warm fuzzy out of it anyway.

Terry

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02003-09-09 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >> >> I stay awake by writing notes to myself.
> >>
> >> > I play mind games.  I sometimes compose papers I'm about to write; I
> >> > sometimes fantasize; I sometimes think about what people in the group
> >> > might do when they get home; I sometimes declothe the people; etc. etc.
> >>
> >> But none of that implies paying attention.
>
> > Correct.
>
> Ah, well. I think paying attention is often prudent.

This is a level of giving a hoot I had never encountered.

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02003-09-09 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> >> > I believe Ms. Kay is correct in this.
> >>
> >> Correct in what? Questioning the assertion?
>
> > Yes, in questioning the assertion, and in the
> > implication within the question.
>
> Don't read implications into my questions, please.

There is a shorter way to say it:

Don't read my questions, please.

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On 9 Sep 2003 at 19:47, Lynne Weber wrote:

> Yes, in questioning the assertion, and in the
> implication within the question.

Just because she denied it doesn't mean it wasn't true.

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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Betty wrote:
> At 09:55 PM 9/9/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Betty wrote:
>> > You need to check off stuff?  I guess old age and treachery does overcome
>> > youth and skill.
>>
>>LOL. No, I don't *have* to check stuff off. I like checking off stuff.
>>Like on a list.

> Is that considered anal?

Oh, probably. I'm much more anal than my ET--in some ways, hahaha...

Karen
"Old age and treachery/Always overcomes youth and skill."--Willie Nelson

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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
> On 9 Sep 2003 at 19:47, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> Yes, in questioning the assertion, and in the
>> implication within the question.

> Just because she denied it doesn't mean it wasn't true.

Assuming the 'she' wasn't me, but her... What I read is that she saw
him speak and was overcome with lust and offered her services. IOW, it
was more or less one-sided.

Hmmmmm... I wonder if Hitler liked cigars.

Karen
"Old age and treachery/Always overcomes youth and skill."--Willie Nelson

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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-09-09 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> > Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> >> >> I stay awake by writing notes to myself.
>> >>
>> >> > I play mind games.  I sometimes compose papers I'm about to write; I
>> >> > sometimes fantasize; I sometimes think about what people in the group
>> >> > might do when they get home; I sometimes declothe the people; etc. etc.
>> >>
>> >> But none of that implies paying attention.
>>
>> > Correct.
>>
>> Ah, well. I think paying attention is often prudent.

> This is a level of giving a hoot I had never encountered.

I cancel meetings where paying attention isn't prudent.

Karen
"Old age and treachery/Always overcomes youth and skill."--Willie Nelson

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On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Betty wrote:
> At 09:59 PM 9/9/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Betty wrote:
>> > To prepare a place for me?
>>
>>Kewl--homesteaders, like on Little House!

> No, like in the Scriptures.  :-)

Even better!

>> > Larry will take his time and fish his way back.
>>
>>I love thinking of him this way.

> I envy  him actually. I've been fantasizing about a road trip alone but I
> love traveling in the RV with Larry.  We travel well together.

> I have to go put my "stuff" in there now so I don't have to pack it and
> carry it on the plane.

YaY! I hope you all have a good time.

Karen
"Old age and treachery/Always overcomes youth and skill."--Willie Nelson

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On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:58:23 -0500, hominy cricket <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>
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>clo:
>> Folks, this thing is a hoot.
>
>Urrr...  BM is about as cool as flash mobs.
>
>Or didn't you get that memo?
>
>--
>Let's just go ahead and get you another
>copy of that memo, O.K.?

I think the gist of my message is that I don't give a rat's
what other people think is cool. I did what I wanted to do.
Enjoy!
clo

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On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 22:51:47 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas
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>I have read the bios. Everyone's assignment is to go to the nearest
>university library <media center> (that was the audio-visual room last
>century) and watch the full (56-minute) version of "American Tongues."
>Were I <alllowed> to, I would <attach> the handout that Dennis Preston
>and I <rendered> last century.
>
>Bethany

I happen to own a copy. Why is it of interest?
clo

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On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 02:41:40 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:

>WELCOME, CLO!

Oh my god, now I am truly lost.
clo

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On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 09:33:26 -0400, bonniev <bonniev@GWI.NET> wrote:

>Yes, I'm glad you didn't die.  I read in the newspaper that two or more
>people did die at this year's Burning Man.  Did you see Shoshana there??
>
>
>>WELCOME, CLO!
>
>bonnie

Confirming - I didn't die, and I am glad as well.

One young woman was crushed between the wheels of a vehicle, at the actual
event. Other than that, I don't believe anyone died on the Playa. There are
almost always fatalities on the road to and from the event, and that may be
where the other death report came from.

To the best of my knowledge, Shoshana was otherwise involved. I suspect she
would be more comfortable at the solstice Burning Woman event in AZ. I
entered a couple thousand data cards for Playa Info, but didn't run across
her name. Too bad!

clo

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On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 09:53:03 -0400, Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:

>>From: Bill <brintala@BELLSOUTH.NET>
>
>>I detect a flippancy and randomness of content but you aren't discussing
>>canniblism or pederastry so someone must be keeping you in deeper waters.

Do you mean to imply that I seem to you to be the kind of person who needs help
avoiding pederasty?


Sir, you have a dark view of the human race. I for one am shocked.

PS - our office administrator agrees with you; I was talking about an orgy of
chocolate-eating one day when she walked in, and turned 3 shades of purple.
These prurient minds!
clo

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On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:57:08 -0400, Paul Barfoot <Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU> wrote:

>One of my favorite childern's books from when I was reading them aloud
every night *nostalgic sigh* is tthe Berenstain's B Book
>

Well, that and Blueberry the Blue Bloodhound.
clo

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On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:56:16 -0500, Bill <brintala@BELLSOUTH.NET> wrote:

>Where?  (I mean what town, not where is NO.)
>
>Slidell

Now who do I know in Slidell? What parish is it in? Is it near Ascension?

clo

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>Hi:
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>I am a new subscriber.  Can anyone tell me what we do here?
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>Bill

As little as possible.

Ken Miller
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On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 18:09:15 EDT, Theo Groothof <Dutchessg1@AOL.COM> wrote:

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>Happy to have you back, Clo.
>Theo

Thanks, Theo. Happy to be back, actually.
clo

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>> Date, venue, attire and honeymoon are now set.
>>
>> AS
>
>Are you going to share this information with us?
>
>Marie

Quite possibly this is an indication of how little I know about the
altar-bound couple, but I can't resist this image:

Picture this: for the wedding, JMW and AS, and all of their guests, decked
out in full ParrotHead regalia.  For the reception: a Tex-Mex Tiki Bar
theme.

Ken Miller
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On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 19:43:36 -0700, Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> wrote:

>At 01:50 PM 9/9/2003 -1000, you wrote:
>>On 9 Sep 2003 at 18:37, Theo Groothof wrote:
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>> > PS What happened to the birthday list? I lost it and is it still available
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>>http://www.words-l.org/textarc/bday.html
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>Lots of September babies!
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>Betty

hb Tom, and belated bday, Terry!
This is how you know you're still a newbie.
clo
no birthdate.

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At 1:39 PM -0700 9/8/03, Tushar Samant wrote:
>If I was a missionary I would spit fire and berate, and
>point and ridicule, until they think, who needs this shit ...

And that differs from your not-a-missionary behavior...exactly how?

Ken Miller
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>>> Ah. This wasn't clear to me. I thought she'd want to know where her
>>> e-mail was coming from.
>
>> Huh?
>
>Who's using which address.
>
>Karen

No, Who's on first.  I don't know where Which comes into it, or what
address he's using.

Ken Miller
Abbott-Costello School of Pronounal Onomastics

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In a message dated 9/9/2003 10:37:47 PM, clostran@SYR.EDU writes:

>I don't give a rat's
>what other people think is cool.

My thought exactly!
Theo

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Natalie Maynor:
= Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
= elderly new-found cousin in my bastard line -- he's legitimate -- I'm in
= the bastard line -- the Wheelers -- wanting me to come to a Wheeler
= reunion the end of this month and stay in his guest apartment, etc. etc.
= etc.  Life is way too FULL.
=

I keep meaning to ask you where your Wheelers come from.  My boss
is a Wheeler, from a neighborhood of Wheelers, all who live in
Newcastle.

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It's said that celebrity deaths come in threes.  It's hard to know what to
make of the latest trio of entrants into the cosmic Dead Pool winners'
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Warren Zevon
Leni Riefenstahl
Edward Teller

What a long, strange half-century it's been.

Ken Miller
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The Lostin Times

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=
= > What I filled in was no doubt automatically turned
= > into a .forward file on the bellsouth server.
=
= Uh, okay...
=

Maybe she was speaking metaphorically?


Where I work we've got more than 700K broadband customers
in 9 countries.  There's a special application just to handle all
the email.  It's stored in Oracle databases.  It is not running
sendmail, you have no shell access, and there is not a .forward
file created when you forward your mail.

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I'm not Cecil, but I know how to Google.

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_165.html

(1979!!)


Marty Rosen:
= Most esteemed Cecil,
=
= Suppose that you were able to journey to the center of the earth, and that
= once there you found a hollow spot, air to breathe, a cool hotel suite with
= a wet bar, and other amenities like that.  Once you had arrived at the
= center, would you be weightless? Or would you be torn limb from limb by
= competing gravitational forces pulling at you from all points of the
= surrounding planetary sphere?
=
= Please answer quickly.  I'm digging a hole in my back yard and need to know.
=
= Marty Rosen, Louisville, KY
=
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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Now who do I know in Slidell?

(1)Bill
(2)Maybe some of your sister's friends from when she lived quite close
to Slidell?

> What parish is it in?

St. Tammany, I think.

> Is it near Ascension?

That's close to Baton Rouge, isn't it?

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steph wrote:

> I keep meaning to ask you where your Wheelers come from.  My boss
> is a Wheeler, from a neighborhood of Wheelers, all who live in
> Newcastle.

I haven't bothered trying to get them back to pre-NC yet.  But I've
ordered the 2-vol _Amos Wheeler and His Descandants_, which will
probably give some hints.  The conception of my illegitimate
gg-grandfather took place in Wilkes County, North Carolina, in late
1828.

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>If I was a missionary I would spit fire and berate, and
>point and ridicule, until they think, who needs this shit ...

>And that differs from your not-a-missionary behavior...exactly how?


>Ken Miller
>Ironic Correspondent
>The Lostin Times

And how. I am reminded of the film "Rain" featuring a young (pre- eyebrows
of death, that is) Joan Crawford as Sadie.

AS

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At 01:18 AM 9/10/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>... I entered a couple thousand data cards for Playa Info, but didn't run
>across
>her name. Too bad!

Hmmm.  You never see both Clo and Sho at the same event...

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>Quite possibly this is an indication of how little I know about the
>altar-bound couple, but I can't resist this image:

>Picture this: for the wedding, JMW and AS, and all of their guests, decked
>out in full ParrotHead regalia.  For the reception: a Tex-Mex Tiki Bar
>theme.

Quite. The altar-bound couple may be meandering toward themes more New Age
"retro missionary." :).

The picture offered above applies more to biz as usual at Manse Meeber.

AS

>Ken Miller
>Hymeneal Correspondent
>The Lostin Times

P.S. *What* type of correspondent? :)

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At 10:52 AM 9/10/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
>I'm not Cecil, but I know how to Google.
>
>http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_165.html
>
>(1979!!)

OK, then---Cecilia.

cwv

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JMW:

>From: hominy cricket <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>
> >
> > Just move your things to the basement.
> >
> > And shut up about that damn stapler.
>
>"But..  But...  I was promised my own stapler..."

Don't be greedy, Milton, pass the cake.

>JMW, who works where that is regarded as a training film, if not a
>documentary

Documentary, definitely. I've seen many versions of the Bobs...

-rashmi, we all work at Initech

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At 12:08 PM 9/10/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

>Documentary, definitely. I've seen many versions of the Bobs...
>
>-rashmi, we all work at Initech

Welcome back.  How was the trip?

cwv

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On Wednesday, September 10, 2003, steph wrote:
> =
= >> What I filled in was no doubt automatically turned
= >> into a .forward file on the bellsouth server.
> =
> = Uh, okay...
> =

> Maybe she was speaking metaphorically?

That turns out to be the case. Who would have thought a . file to be
metaphorical, though!

> Where I work we've got more than 700K broadband customers
> in 9 countries.  There's a special application just to handle all
> the email.  It's stored in Oracle databases.  It is not running
> sendmail, you have no shell access, and there is not a .forward
> file created when you forward your mail.

See?

Karen
"Old age and treachery/Always overcomes youth and skill."--Willie Nelson

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On Wednesday, September 10, 2003, Bookrat wrote:
>>>> Ah. This wasn't clear to me. I thought she'd want to know where her
>>>> e-mail was coming from.
>>
>>> Huh?
>>
>>Who's using which address.
>>
>>Karen

> No, Who's on first.  I don't know where Which comes into it, or what
> address he's using.

> Ken Miller
> Abbott-Costello School of Pronounal Onomastics

Pronominal? But in any case, thank you. I'm glad someone gets my
jokes.

Karen
"Old age and treachery/Always overcomes youth and skill."--Willie Nelson

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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 05:34:38 -0500, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
wrote:

>Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
>> Now who do I know in Slidell?
>
>(1)Bill

er.. thanks.

>(2)Maybe some of your sister's friends from when she lived quite close
>to Slidell?

I'm thinking that's it. I'll have to ask her.

>
>> What parish is it in?
>
>St. Tammany, I think.
>
>> Is it near Ascension?
>
>That's close to Baton Rouge, isn't it?

Thanks. Now I have a much better picture of LA geography. Ascension is near
Baton Rouge, and Slidell is near NO. I was thinking that it was a deafness-
related educator or a family with a deaf child. I will have to ponder the
sister-connection.

clo

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 08:35:06 -0400
From: Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU>
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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 07:52:01 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander <cwv@GWI.NET>
wrote:

>At 01:18 AM 9/10/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>>... I entered a couple thousand data cards for Playa Info, but didn't run
>>across
>>her name. Too bad!
>
>Hmmm.  You never see both Clo and Sho at the same event...

All right, that's enough of that. Having just rewatched Mystery Men, Mr.
Furious comes vividly to mind:

temper ... rising
fists ... clenching

clo

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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:59:25 -0500, Amy Burns Short
<amyb_short@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:


>>Ken Miller
>>Hymeneal Correspondent
>>The Lostin Times
>
>P.S. *What* type of correspondent? :)

Think "Pirates of Penzance" -
"Tomorrow morning early we will duly be parsonified;
hymeneally coupled, conjugally matrimonified"
clo

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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:08:06 +0000, Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM>
wrote:

>JMW:
>
>>JMW, who works where that is regarded as a training film, if not a
>>documentary
>
>Documentary, definitely. I've seen many versions of the Bobs...
>
>-rashmi, we all work at Initech


Rashmi!
How are you?
clo

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> As little as possible.
>
> Ken Miller
> Jake Gittes School of Ergonomic Studies
aka Bookrat - "He Gittes as Good as He Gets"

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In a message dated 9/10/2003 6:56:03 AM Central Daylight Time,
amyb_short@HOTMAIL.COM writes:
<<
And how. I am reminded of the film "Rain" featuring a young (pre- eyebrows
of death, that is) Joan Crawford as Sadie.

>>

Oh, I love that movie; I've only seen it once, but everytime I see a book on
early 30s movies, I check it to see if it mentions that movie.

There were two books published in the 70s that I would love to read again;
_Popcorn Venus_ and _From Reverence to Rape_.  They came out about
the time I started watching silents and early sound films.  They're both
excellent books about women in the movies and cover the Biograph era
through the 30s.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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> Oh, I love that movie; I've only seen it once, but
> everytime I see a book on
> early 30s movies, I check it to see if it mentions
> that movie.
>
> There were two books published in the 70s that I
> would love to read again;
> _Popcorn Venus_ and _From Reverence to Rape_.  They
> came out about
> the time I started watching silents and early sound
> films.  They're both
> excellent books about women in the movies and cover
> the Biograph era
> through the 30s.

I almost forgot you are off on Wednesdays.  There was
also a fair book about Bette Davis, written by her
daughter, B.D. Hyatt.  If you haven't read it, I'll
send it to you, if you'll post me your address.


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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>I happen to own a copy. Why is it of interest?

Have you ever viewed it? Why do you own it?

Bethany

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> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> >I happen to own a copy. Why is it of interest?
>
> Have you ever viewed it? Why do you own it?

And if you don't want it, can I buy it?

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You said: > Do you mean to imply that I seem to you to be the kind of person
who needs help
> avoiding pederasty?
>
> Sir, you have a dark view of the human race. I for one am shocked.

Several years ago someone introduced me to IRC,  for those of you who are
unfamiliar with IRC I need to explain.  IRC is a vast underworld of chat
rooms where groups of people gather to talk about "whatever".   A "Beavis
and Butthead" room would contain people who love to talk about Beavis and
Butthead.  There are hundreds of these chat rooms on IRC.  I joined one
titled "Pet Lovers" only these people didn't just adore their animals they
really "Loved" their animals.  So pederastry aside, you folks appear to be
seem to swim in cleaner waters.  Unless we want to discuss the finer points
of the use of peanut butter.

Bizarro Bill

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Ostrander" <clostran@SYR.EDU>
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> On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 09:53:03 -0400, Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
wrote:
>
> >>From: Bill <brintala@BELLSOUTH.NET>
> >
> >>I detect a flippancy and randomness of content but you aren't discussing
> >>canniblism or pederastry so someone must be keeping you in deeper
waters.
>
> Do you mean to imply that I seem to you to be the kind of person who needs
help
> avoiding pederasty?
>
>
> Sir, you have a dark view of the human race. I for one am shocked.
>
> PS - our office administrator agrees with you; I was talking about an orgy
of
> chocolate-eating one day when she walked in, and turned 3 shades of
purple.
> These prurient minds!
> clo

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Slidell is in St Tammany Parish.  BTW as far as I know there was never a St
Tammany in the Catholic list of saints.
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> On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:56:16 -0500, Bill <brintala@BELLSOUTH.NET> wrote:
>
> >Where?  (I mean what town, not where is NO.)
> >
> >Slidell
>
> Now who do I know in Slidell? What parish is it in? Is it near Ascension?
>
> clo

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> > Is it near Ascension?
>
> That's close to Baton Rouge, isn't it?

Ascension Parish is just south of Baton Rouge.  Slidell is 80 miles east of
there.  Just across Lake Ponchartrain from the Big Easy.

BB

>
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> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
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> > Now who do I know in Slidell?
>
> (1)Bill
> (2)Maybe some of your sister's friends from when she lived quite close
> to Slidell?
>
> > What parish is it in?
>
> St. Tammany, I think.
>
> > Is it near Ascension?
>
> That's close to Baton Rouge, isn't it?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Karen Kay wrote:

> him speak and was overcome with lust and offered her services. IOW, it
> was more or less one-sided.

    Considering AH was a monorchidal coprophile it was probably just as
well.

> Hmmmmm... I wonder if Hitler liked cigars.

    Non-smoking vegetarian.  Reportedly one of his lesser post-war goals was
outlawing tobacco.

JMW

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Bookrat wrote:

> Quite possibly this is an indication of how little I know about the
> altar-bound couple, but I can't resist this image:
>
> Picture this: for the wedding, JMW and AS, and all of their guests, decked
> out in full ParrotHead regalia.  For the reception: a Tex-Mex Tiki Bar
> theme.

    Boo just about has it nailed!  (And just gave me an idea.)  Amy, did you
know that Hilda and Jim's spacious and lovely back yard has a tiki bar?
Hmmmm...

JMW

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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Bill wrote:

>seem to swim in cleaner waters.  Unless we want to discuss the finer points
>of the use of peanut butter.

Now you're getting it!

Bethany

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>know that Hilda and Jim's spacious and lovely back yard has a tiki bar?
>Hmmmm...          --JMW

Are those the friends that had the stomach stapling?  Even they aren't, how
are the dieting friends doing?


bonnie

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Biographical notes on Bethany K. Dumas:

Professor and Consultant.  PhD in Linguistics and J.D.  Specializes in
language and the law, particularly jury instructions.

Recent vow of celibacy, connected with some kind of lay role in some kind
of church, maybe Episcopalian.

Pisses off the Voightlanders, I mean REALLY PISSES THEM OFF.

Ann


On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Bill wrote:
>
> >seem to swim in cleaner waters.  Unless we want to discuss the finer points
> >of the use of peanut butter.
>
> Now you're getting it!
>
> Bethany
>

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On Wednesday, September 10, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> Pisses off the Voightlanders, I mean REALLY PISSES THEM OFF.

So do you, when you spell their name wrong.

Karen
"Old age and treachery/Always overcomes youth and skill."--Willie Nelson

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On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 19:18:55 -0500, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

> Rita Leonard wrote:
> >
> > Happy Birthday, Tom!
>
> Phyllis has GOT to come back to us.  HB,T!!

        TY, N!  :-)

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Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>
1 day into 35

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On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 19:25:39 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

> On Tuesday, September 09, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Rita Leonard wrote:
> >>
> >> Happy Birthday, Tom!
>
> > Phyllis has GOT to come back to us.  HB,T!!
>
> I keep thinking we're celebrating OGOSS's BD again...
>
> Happy Birthday, Tom and Tom.

        Thank you, Karen!

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Happy that people somehow remembered

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On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 19:18:06 -0500, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

> Thanks, Lamplighter!!

        Hehe, you're welcome!  I hope I'm helping.

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Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>
Still LL in some places

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Bill:
>Slidell is in St Tammany Parish.  BTW as far
>as I know there was never a St Tammany in the
>Catholic list of saints.

Right.  It's named after a chief of the
Delaware tribe (so was the political
organization).

Where the "Saint" came from is, as far
as I know, a mystery.  I guess he was
a really nice guy.

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bonniev wrote:

> Are those the friends that had the stomach stapling?  Even they aren't, how
> are the dieting friends doing?

    No, they're the Mexico bunch.  The staplers are doing splendidly, having
lost about the equivalent of two people between them and getting better all the
time.  It turns out that just about all their health problems except hearing
loss was weight-related.  8-/

JMW

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>Ann Borkin wrote:
> > Pisses off the Voightlanders, I mean REALLY PISSES THEM OFF.
>
>So do you, when you spell their name wrong.
>Karen

Not really.  It's hard to get pissed off at Borkin.  For the record,
there's no H in our last name.

Borkin:  lives north of the Golden Gate Bridge but commutes by bus and
ferry into San Francisco to a job that aids and abets lawyers.  She is a
woman of a certain age: elegant and timeless.  In person (not that I would
know), she is the direct opposite of the sassy attitude she shows
here.  She is demure, gracious, and charming.  She reads voraciously,
visits art museums on her lunch hour, and goes to retreat weekends run by
Buddhists.  In her youth, she was a wild woman, a hippy in a Michigan
college.  Yet nothing about her reminds one of Shoshana.  Her husband, like
mine, cooks for her.


bonnie

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> Biographical notes on Bethany K. Dumas:
>
> Recent vow of celibacy, connected with some kind of
> lay role .

This sounds vaguely oxymoronic.


Pisses off the Voightlanders, I mean REALLY PISSES
> THEM OFF.

I hadn't noticed. Does she really?


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> Where the "Saint" came from is, as far
> as I know, a mystery.  I guess he was
> a really nice guy.


The Chief and Huey Long were poker cronies.

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At 12:32 PM 9/10/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:

>Borkin:  lives north of the Golden Gate Bridge but commutes by bus and
>ferry into San Francisco to a job that aids and abets lawyers.  She is a
>woman of a certain age: elegant and timeless.  In person (not that I would
>know), she is the direct opposite of the sassy attitude she shows
>here.  She is demure, gracious, and charming.  She reads voraciously,
>visits art museums on her lunch hour, and goes to retreat weekends run by
>Buddhists.  In her youth, she was a wild woman, a hippy in a Michigan
>college.  Yet nothing about her reminds one of Shoshana.  Her husband, like
>mine, cooks for her.

Umm, no, I don't cook for Borkin, nor am I likely to cook for her or
anybody who can't spell my last name.

cwv

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> Umm, no, I don't cook for Borkin, nor am I likely to
> cook for her or
> anybody who can't spell my last name.


And  for those who can spell it?  Does that increase
the likelihood?

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At 11:53 AM 9/10/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > Umm, no, I don't cook for Borkin, nor am I likely to
> > cook for her or
> > anybody who can't spell my last name.
>
>
>And  for those who can spell it?  Does that increase
>the likelihood?

marginally

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http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=10299


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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:38:49 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas
<dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> wrote:

>On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
>>I happen to own a copy. Why is it of interest?
>
>Have you ever viewed it? Why do you own it?
>
>Bethany

I have seen it often; but of course before I knew any wordslers (beyond
BrP). I'm assuming either someone's in it or there is a phrase used that
sets up a Words-L moment?

I own it because I have been training transliterators for the Deaf, and
among the issues they need to examine, their own preconceptions and
attitudes about how people are "s'posed" to talk and, in fact, how they
actually talk themselves, rank quite high.

clo

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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:08:02 -0500, Bill <brintala@BELLSOUTH.NET> wrote:

>You said: > Do you mean to imply that I seem to you to be the kind of
person
>who needs help
>> avoiding pederasty?
>>
>> Sir, you have a dark view of the human race. I for one am shocked.
>
>Several years ago someone introduced me to IRC,  for those of you who are
>unfamiliar with IRC I need to explain.

Hmm. Anyone here unfamiliar with IRC?

> IRC is a vast underworld of chat
>rooms where groups of people gather to talk about "whatever".   A "Beavis
>and Butthead" room would contain people who love to talk about Beavis and
>Butthead.  There are hundreds of these chat rooms on IRC.  I joined one
>titled "Pet Lovers" only these people didn't just adore their animals they
>really "Loved" their animals.  So pederastry aside, you folks appear to be
>seem to swim in cleaner waters.  Unless we want to discuss the finer points
>of the use of peanut butter.
>

Ooh, an <orgy> of peanut butter sandwiches!
clo

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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:09:33 -0500, Bill <brintala@BELLSOUTH.NET> wrote:

>Slidell is in St Tammany Parish.  BTW as far as I know there was never a St
>Tammany in the Catholic list of saints.
>
>
>> On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:56:16 -0500, Bill <brintala@BELLSOUTH.NET> wrote:
>>
>> >Where?  (I mean what town, not where is NO.)
>> >
>> >Slidell
>>
>> Now who do I know in Slidell? What parish is it in? Is it near Ascension?
>>
>> clo

St. Tammany - that's it! OK, I definitely know a family with a deaf child
(probably now grown) from that area. I'll come up with it sooner or later.
Carry on!
clo

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Sheesh, I didn't realize Cecil had been around since 1979.  No wonder he
knows so much stuff;  You google, girl.


>From: steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM>
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>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: gravitational forces at the center of the earth
>Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:52:48 +0200
>
>I'm not Cecil, but I know how to Google.
>
>http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_165.html
>
>(1979!!)
>
>
>Marty Rosen:
>= Most esteemed Cecil,
>=
>= Suppose that you were able to journey to the center of the earth, and
>that
>= once there you found a hollow spot, air to breathe, a cool hotel suite
>with
>= a wet bar, and other amenities like that.  Once you had arrived at the
>= center, would you be weightless? Or would you be torn limb from limb by
>= competing gravitational forces pulling at you from all points of the
>= surrounding planetary sphere?
>=
>= Please answer quickly.  I'm digging a hole in my back yard and need to
>know.
>=
>= Marty Rosen, Louisville, KY
>=
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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:55:32 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander <cwv@GWI.NET>
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>At 11:53 AM 9/10/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> > Umm, no, I don't cook for Borkin, nor am I likely to
>> > cook for her or
>> > anybody who can't spell my last name.
>>
>>
>>And  for those who can spell it?  Does that increase
>>the likelihood?
>
>marginally

He cooked for us!
clo

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02003-09-10 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@GWI.NET> writes:
> Umm, no, I don't cook for Borkin, nor am I likely to cook for her or
> anybody who can't spell my last name.

That's the sound of a REALLY PISSED OFF person ...

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cwv:

> >-rashmi, we all work at Initech

>Welcome back.  How was the trip?

Trip was fine, thanks. I always come back feeling fat and old but now I'm
prepared for it, so it's not as devastating as it once was. Everyone seems
to be doing ok. Bangalore had a buzz about it and people seemed upbeat
and positive. And not just from outsourcing or call centers. The middle
class
which was substantial in number 15-20 years ago seems to have exploded
and includes a really broad section of society. You get to understand why
everyone's (MNCs) so eager to sell in India. There were a gazillion new
kinds of compact cars on the road, good old Ambassador seems to have
finally faded away. The cars were all manufactured in India - there appears
to have been a revival of auto and auto parts manufacturing with cars
being exported to, gasp, China. The traffic's still insane and I didn't even
think of driving but on foot the streets didn't faze me one it. I didn't
miss
a beat crossing the busy streets and impressed the locals. Once a city
gal always a city gal.

Don't get me wrong, Bangalore hasn't morphed into Singapore or
Shanghai- there's lots of infrastructure and development work to
be done but I came away with a glass-half-full impression.

Anti-amercanism wasn't much in evidence, unless you count jokes
about Ahnuld and the blackout. There was deep cynicism about
the US presence in Iraq and I didn't see much support for sending
Indian troops to Iraq (I left before the Bush decision to go back
to the UN). Everyone's convinced that PTB in Pakistan  know
where Osama is. The hooker look as interpreted by Britney doesn't
seem to have caught on though bellybuttons and cropped tops
were all the rage. I saw the wonderul Naseerudin Shah perform/
read some Ismat Chugtai stories - it was beautifully done and
entertaining but I had a hard time keeping up - my Urdu's
become very rusty.

(Personal details included for bonniev)
I got to spend time with my 4-1/2 year old nephew. He's friendly and
adorable and wants to be a truck driver *and* artist when he grows up.
My folks have turned into neat grandparents. I ate a lot, read and
shopped  and ate. The three friends I'm in touch with are all fine.
Friend A, of the storybook life, continues to lead a charmed life with a
wonderful family, career, health, happiness, money and has managed
to stay level-headed and sane. Friend B, who has the opposite life -
she'd had a dreadful time of it two years ago seems to have dug herself
out of the hole. No, she hasn't found a job at a call-center (she teaches
school and is a classically trained dancer). I was so happy to see the way
she's dealt with adversity. C, my boyfriend through college until I left
to come here directed his first feature film this year. Granted, it's an
indie film in English, not the Bollywood variety, but the idea of going
out with someone who makes movies struck me as pretty wild - in my
current life I don't even *meet* people who make movies. Long,
stange road etc.

-rashmi

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clo:

>Rashmi!
>How are you?

Great, thanks.

(Karen, don't read the rest of this post)

.


.


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I started my new job this week - I'm psyched. It's been good so
far. There's like 30 guys and 3 women in my group.

-rashmi

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> Hmm. Anyone here unfamiliar with IRC?

I am very happy to be unfamiliar with IRC--though I did have an
extremely wordy career going on in the mist-shrouded past sometime.

> >IRC is a vast underworld of chat
> >rooms where groups of people gather to talk about "whatever".   A "Beavis
> >and Butthead" room would contain people who love to talk about Beavis and
> >Butthead.  There are hundreds of these chat rooms on IRC.  I joined one
> >titled "Pet Lovers" only these people didn't just adore their animals they
> >really "Loved" their animals.  So pederastry aside, you folks appear to be
> >seem to swim in cleaner waters.  Unless we want to discuss the finer points
> >of the use of peanut butter.

These folks only appear to be swimming in "cleaner waters". It's
like some very competent-looking clean-cut sales guy with a navy
career in the past and a nice suburban home and beautiful picture
of wife and kids on his desk, who gets fired and you spend hours
unsubscribing him from almostUnderageAsianSlutBootyPorn.com lists.

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02003-09-10 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> good old Ambassador seems to have finally faded away

We salute!

> Don't get me wrong, Bangalore hasn't morphed into Singapore or
> Shanghai-

And in fact it won't. There is something completely different
about that part of the world. I might be talking under the
influence of a Sebastião Salgado exhibition I just came out
of--but the Bombay pictures had a different feel from Shanghai.

(However, all Asian pictures do have a glass-half-full quality
about them ... the African and Central and South American pictures
look SCREWED)

> (Personal details included for bonniev)

Are you related to the Bill Gates of India?

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>
> >Welcome back.  How was the trip?
>
> Trip was fine, thanks. I always come back feeling fat and old but now
I'm
> prepared for it, so it's not as devastating as it once was. Everyone
seems
> to be doing ok

> -rashmi

Thank you for sharing a nice fat report full of
detail.  I enjoyed it and am glad you had a good
time.

                - D. M.

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>(Personal details included for bonniev)
>I got to spend time with my 4-1/2 year old nephew. He's friendly and
>adorable and wants to be a truck driver *and* artist when he grows up.
>My folks have turned into neat grandparents. I ate a lot, read and
>shopped  and ate.            -rashmi

And she thanks you for the full report.  I'm glad you had a good time and I
hope the new job is fun and fulfilling!


bonniev

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> It's stored in Oracle databases.

I attempted earlier this week at work to set up an Oracle 9i database on my
machine.

I got the database created and configured fine, but was stymied by the
backup application. Long story short, my machine is now happily running
Microsoft SQL Server 2000, which backed up directly to my DAT drive quite
happily.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:51:50 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
wrote:

>> Hmm. Anyone here unfamiliar with IRC?
>
>I am very happy to be unfamiliar with IRC--though I did have an
>extremely wordy career going on in the mist-shrouded past sometime.
>
>> >IRC is a vast underworld of chat
>> >rooms where groups of people gather to talk about "whatever".   A
"Beavis
>> >and Butthead" room would contain people who love to talk about Beavis
and
>> >Butthead.  There are hundreds of these chat rooms on IRC.  I joined one
>> >titled "Pet Lovers" only these people didn't just adore their animals
they
>> >really "Loved" their animals.  So pederastry aside, you folks appear to
be
>> >seem to swim in cleaner waters.  Unless we want to discuss the finer
points
>> >of the use of peanut butter.
>
>These folks only appear to be swimming in "cleaner waters". It's
>like some very competent-looking clean-cut sales guy with a navy
>career in the past and a nice suburban home and beautiful picture
>of wife and kids on his desk, who gets fired and you spend hours
>unsubscribing him from almostUnderageAsianSlutBootyPorn.com lists.

Yep, that's definitely me. I'm not Shoshana, I'm Shoshana's ex!
clo

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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:19:36 -0400, Adam Hartfield <adamh1@COMCAST.NET>
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>> It's stored in Oracle databases.
>
>I attempted earlier this week at work to set up an Oracle 9i database on my
>machine.
>
>I got the database created and configured fine, but was stymied by the
>backup application. Long story short, my machine is now happily running
>Microsoft SQL Server 2000, which backed up directly to my DAT drive quite
>happily.
>
>--Adam
>adamh1@comcast.net

And that reminds me. Adam, thanks again for the CD, I am loving it.
clo

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> And that reminds me. Adam, thanks again for the CD, I am loving it.
> clo

The Sarah Harmer album? Good. Next on your list of bands to check out is the
Australian band Fruit.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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>Yep, that's definitely me. I'm not Shoshana, I'm Shoshana's ex!
>clo

Ah, Shoshana's ex is dead.  Or so she claimed.  When I first encountered
Shoshana online, she, like you, was talking about divorce.    In her next
online incarnation her husband was beloved but fatally ill.  After his
supposed death, she purportedly married again at a Renaissance Faire.


bonnie

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Welcome  home, Rashmi.

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bye
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From: "Carolyn Ostrander" <clostran@SYR.EDU>
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> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:51:50 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> wrote:
>
> >> Hmm. Anyone here unfamiliar with IRC?
> >
> >I am very happy to be unfamiliar with IRC--though I did have an
> >extremely wordy career going on in the mist-shrouded past sometime.
> >
> >> >IRC is a vast underworld of chat
> >> >rooms where groups of people gather to talk about "whatever".   A
> "Beavis
> >> >and Butthead" room would contain people who love to talk about Beavis
> and
> >> >Butthead.  There are hundreds of these chat rooms on IRC.  I joined
one
> >> >titled "Pet Lovers" only these people didn't just adore their animals
> they
> >> >really "Loved" their animals.  So pederastry aside, you folks appear
to
> be
> >> >seem to swim in cleaner waters.  Unless we want to discuss the finer
> points
> >> >of the use of peanut butter.
> >
> >These folks only appear to be swimming in "cleaner waters". It's
> >like some very competent-looking clean-cut sales guy with a navy
> >career in the past and a nice suburban home and beautiful picture
> >of wife and kids on his desk, who gets fired and you spend hours
> >unsubscribing him from almostUnderageAsianSlutBootyPorn.com lists.
>
> Yep, that's definitely me. I'm not Shoshana, I'm Shoshana's ex!
> clo

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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:14:11 -0500, Bill <brintala@BELLSOUTH.NET> wrote:

>bye
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Carolyn Ostrander" <clostran@SYR.EDU>
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>Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 7:26 PM
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>
>
>> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:51:50 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> Hmm. Anyone here unfamiliar with IRC?
>> >
>> >I am very happy to be unfamiliar with IRC--though I did have an
>> >extremely wordy career going on in the mist-shrouded past sometime.
>> >
>> >> >IRC is a vast underworld of chat
>> >> >rooms where groups of people gather to talk about "whatever".   A
>> "Beavis
>> >> >and Butthead" room would contain people who love to talk about Beavis
>> and
>> >> >Butthead.  There are hundreds of these chat rooms on IRC.  I joined
>one
>> >> >titled "Pet Lovers" only these people didn't just adore their animals
>> they
>> >> >really "Loved" their animals.  So pederastry aside, you folks appear
>to
>> be
>> >> >seem to swim in cleaner waters.  Unless we want to discuss the finer
>> points
>> >> >of the use of peanut butter.
>> >
>> >These folks only appear to be swimming in "cleaner waters". It's
>> >like some very competent-looking clean-cut sales guy with a navy
>> >career in the past and a nice suburban home and beautiful picture
>> >of wife and kids on his desk, who gets fired and you spend hours
>> >unsubscribing him from almostUnderageAsianSlutBootyPorn.com lists.
>>
>> Yep, that's definitely me. I'm not Shoshana, I'm Shoshana's ex!
>> clo

Oh my god, I have driven someone off the list. I should unsub immediately.
Wait. I am already nomail. Think. Could this mean... am I no longer a
newbie?

clo

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> (Personal details included for bonniev)
> I got to spend time with my 4-1/2 year old nephew.
> He's friendly and
> adorable and wants to be a truck driver *and* artist
> when he grows up.
> My folks have turned into neat grandparents. I ate a
> lot, read and
> shopped  and ate. The three friends I'm in touch
> with are all fine.
> Friend A, of the storybook life, continues to lead a
> charmed life with a
> wonderful family, career, health, happiness, money
> and has managed
> to stay level-headed and sane. Friend B, who has the
> opposite life -
> she'd had a dreadful time of it two years ago seems
> to have dug herself
> out of the hole. No, she hasn't found a job at a
> call-center (she teaches
> school and is a classically trained dancer). I was
> so happy to see the way
> she's dealt with adversity. C, my boyfriend through
> college until I left
> to come here directed his first feature film this
> year. Granted, it's an
> indie film in English, not the Bollywood variety,
> but the idea of going
> out with someone who makes movies struck me as
> pretty wild - in my
> current life I don't even *meet* people who make
> movies. Long,
> stange road etc.

This seems a very full agenda to have been a vacation.
 When does the job start?


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> Ah, Shoshana's ex is dead.  Or so she claimed.  When
> I first encountered
> Shoshana online, she, like you, was talking about
> divorce.    In her next
> online incarnation her husband was beloved but
> fatally ill.  After his
> supposed death, she purportedly married again at a
> Renaissance Faire.


How did y'all let Shoshana get away?  Her bio would be
the burst of clarity - the Wordslers own Reality Show.


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>How did y'all let Shoshana get away?  Her bio would be
>the burst of clarity - the Wordslers own Reality Show.

Perhaps Clo could write a bio while her fever is still high.  Please don't
forget giving birth to Jim Morrison's love child.

Is your fever still high, Clo?   I just went and read parts of The Burning
Man web page.  Sounds complicated.  Was there music as well as art?  Did
you ever have an art car?


bonnie

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The book I have re: Bette Davis is not by her
daughter, but by Barbara Leaming, who also wrote a bio
of Rita Hayworth (which I do not have). Does this make
a difference?

I also have a good book about Thelma Todd's murder in
circa 1933, and another about William Desmond Taylor's
murder, during the silent era.  This last book
involves Mary Miles Minter, who almost no one
remembers today.

Just let me know if you want all, some, or none, and
I'll mail them one at a time - unbirthday gifts.

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> BB


Which one?

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> Oh my god, I have driven someone off the list. I
> should unsub immediately.
> Wait. I am already nomail. Think. Could this mean...
> am I no longer a
> newbie?

Is this the pinnacle to which you aspired?  You're now
just another oldie but goodie.


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In a message dated 9/10/2003 8:47:49 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
The book I have re: Bette Davis is not by her
daughter, but by Barbara Leaming, who also wrote a bio
of Rita Hayworth (which I do not have). Does this make
a difference?
>>

No.  As long as it's a good, intelligent biography, it makes
no difference.

<<
I also have a good book about Thelma Todd's murder in
circa 1933, and another about William Desmond Taylor's
murder, during the silent era.  This last book
involves Mary Miles Minter, who almost no one
remembers today.
>>

Oh, I remember that murder; he was dallying with a lot
of the actresses of that day, including Mabel Normand.
Minter was a Mary Pickford-type whose audience was
horrified to find out she wasn't the "innocent" girl she
portrayed.

Sure, I'll take them; thanks!

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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> Oh, I remember that murder; he was dallying with a
> lot
> of the actresses of that day, including Mabel
> Normand.
> Minter was a Mary Pickford-type whose audience was
> horrified to find out she wasn't the "innocent" girl
> she
> portrayed.

Okay, you got 'em.  Boy, you really have the Taylor
case pegged.

For some reason, it sticks in my mind that MMM's
mother got her (the girl's) name from a tombstone in
Texas.  Analyze that.

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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Bill wrote:

> bye

Damn!  He didn't even wait for my Bonnie bio.  Damn.  I will have to wait
for another foo^^^^ newbie to explain Bonnie to (that handsome and
learned, discerning and astute, straight-talking ex-jock and ex-nun, the
incomparable bonniev)

Ann

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>The book I have re: Bette Davis is not by her
>daughter, but by Barbara Leaming, who also wrote a bio
>of Rita Hayworth (which I do not have). Does this make
>a difference?

Is that the bio that ends, "I've ended up just the way they all said I
would, a lonely old woman ... on a pedestal"?

Bethany

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From: Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU>
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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:46:23 -0400, bonniev <bonniev@GWI.NET> wrote:

>>How did y'all let Shoshana get away?  Her bio would be
>>the burst of clarity - the Wordslers own Reality Show.
>
>Perhaps Clo could write a bio while her fever is still high.  Please don't
>forget giving birth to Jim Morrison's love child.

Oh my god. Go to one party at one stinking farm and you are branded
forever around here. Besides, when Jim Morrison was begatting, I was
pre-pubescent. Sheesh.

You want a bio? Here's my bio:
I'm the oldest of six, born in a small town to a minister in upstate NY and
an ex-missionary from the Cape Fear area of NC. I had a lot to make up for
when I was let off my chain at 16 to go to college. And I did, for about 3
years. Then I married a poet, had 2 kids, divorced the poet, and married
the old college friend. After a while I went back to work, which
accidentally led to me becoming an expert in an obscure method of
communication with the Deaf. That led to access to higher education.

My current husband, whom I love very tenderly, suffers cyclic depression
with compulsive tendencies and anxiety attacks that result in verbally
abusive behavior. I've stuck it out for 20 years, but I don't like it and
very few people approve of that choice. When he gets me down, he's the stbex
on this list, and that gives me some room to breath again.

Except for the parts that were painful, I have enjoyed every moment, and I
never look at anything I experience as ordinary if I can help it, because I
am lucky to be anywhere at all. I don't get high and I rarely drink a full
drink. I can be loony without any help. But I did live through the early
70s, and I did move around a bit with the old friend, the old flame, and the
poet. I am an unrepentent liberal; I don't apologize for knowing that it's
wrong to do violence and wrong to be selfish when one has the power to be
generous.

When it seemed that "get a life" was a valid piece of advice, I got myself
a life. At 45, I suddenly began to write poetry again (a thing I gave up
about the time I married the poet).

As it happens I have been lucky enough to survive the usual 70's adolescent
adventures, cervical cancer, a head-on accident, and a natural gas pocket
opening into our well, which produced flammable water. Why shouldn't I think
life is exciting?

Is there any part of the bio that doesn't suit? Please feel free to suggest
additions or corrections.

>Is your fever still high, Clo?   I just went and read parts of The Burning
>Man web page.  Sounds complicated.  Was there music as well as art?  Did
>you ever have an art car?

There were bells, and music, sweet music, all around, la la la
-oh. ahem. I may still have an extra degree or two of temp. There
was a ton of techno drivel, most of it not <that> good, but also some Elvis,
a brass band dressed in Salvation Army uniforms doing old hymns, some good
acoustic stuff in various places, and a hell of a lot of drumming. Oh, and a
girl in sparkly stuff sang very good classical stuff, mostly opera, to
 people waiting in line at one of the porta-john blocks.

Not only was I exposed to art cars, here is a picture of the one I drove:
<http://www.playacruizers.com/images/Art_Cars/New%20Jitney/IMG_0060.html>;
and though it's black and red now, not yellow, here's what it does to show
off:
<http://www.playacruizers.com/images/Art_Cars/art_cars.htm>


I didn't drive it flaming. I drove it for 18 hours up and down the Exodus
lines, delivering supplies and volunteers to flag stations along the narrow
lanes leading out of the Playa. It was a very cool thing to do - people
cheered and blew kisses to me and I had a lot of fun push-starting stalled
cars, resetting traffic cones, and otherwise solving dilemmas and helping
out.

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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>I have seen it often; but of course before I knew any wordslers (beyond
>BrP). I'm assuming either someone's in it or there is a phrase used that
>sets up a Words-L moment?

No - nothing that direct. Think "discourse diversity."
>
>I own it because I have been training transliterators for the Deaf, and
>among the issues they need to examine, their own preconceptions and
>attitudes about how people are "s'posed" to talk and, in fact, how they
>actually talk themselves, rank quite high.

Interesting. You may want to join us in Linguistics here at UT on Feb.
24. See:

http://web.utk.edu/~germslav/lingevents.html

(Scroll down to Feb. 24.)

Richard Bayley may come, also.

Bethany

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In a message dated 9/10/2003 9:22:39 PM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
For some reason, it sticks in my mind that MMM's
mother got her (the girl's) name from a tombstone in
Texas.  Analyze that.

>>

Not even Madame Rose would go that far.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:18:15 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas
<dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> wrote:

>On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
>>I have seen it often; but of course before I knew any wordslers (beyond
>>BrP). I'm assuming either someone's in it or there is a phrase used that
>>sets up a Words-L moment?
>
>No - nothing that direct. Think "discourse diversity."
>>
>>I own it because I have been training transliterators for the Deaf, and
>>among the issues they need to examine, their own preconceptions and
>>attitudes about how people are "s'posed" to talk and, in fact, how they
>>actually talk themselves, rank quite high.
>
>Interesting. You may want to join us in Linguistics here at UT on Feb.
>24. See:
>
>http://web.utk.edu/~germslav/lingevents.html

I would be interested indeed. I have followed Lucas's work for many years.

>(Scroll down to Feb. 24.)
>
>Richard Bayley may come, also.

Cool. I'll see what I can do. I did a lot of overtime summer advising this
year, which resulted in a small stipend for "research". I might just be able
to swing it.

clo

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The problem is this - Sir Isaac Newton has arrived.
He is not just on the doorstep, he is IN the house.
And very welcome he is; however, the seven daughters
of Eve preceded him by about 6 days and are firmly
entrenched.  Despite the language differences between
them, they seem to share some sort of basic, primitive
bond.  They are aware that, at some point, they must
move on, but for now, they are comfortably surveying
the details of the humanity they have spawned.

The difficulty arises in the fact that they insist Sir
Isaac divest himself of his European clothing.  He is
dignified but immutable.  He finds them mildly
interesting, but not an integral part of his field of
expertise.  He is not falling for them.

They have cajoled, exhorted, threatened, berated, and
ridiculed, all to no avail.  Sir Isaac stands before
them fully clothed in the attire of a different
century.

Even this, in itself, would not be a problem, except
that yesterday, Ursula was seen to be hawking the odd
waistcoat out the side door.  We cannot afford for
this to evolve into a cottage industry.

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Oh, I forgot to say that the difficulties mentioned
here are for the consideration of Cecil.

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> Is that the bio that ends, "I've ended up just the
> way they all said I
> would, a lonely old woman ... on a pedestal"?


All of her (Bette's) biographies probably end that way.

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> Damn!  He didn't even wait for my Bonnie bio.  Damn.
>  I will have to wait
> for another foo^^^^ newbie to explain Bonnie to
> (that handsome and
> learned, discerning and astute, straight-talking
> ex-jock and ex-nun, the
> incomparable bonniev)


Hey!  I'm a new newbie.  Explain her to me, please.

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> I'm the oldest of six, born in a small town to a
> minister in upstate NY and
> an ex-missionary from the Cape Fear area of NC. I
> had a lot to make up for
> when I was let off my chain at 16 to go to college.
> And I did, for about 3
> years. Then I married a poet, had 2 kids, divorced
> the poet, and married
> the old college friend. After a while I went back to
> work, which
> accidentally led to me becoming an expert in an
> obscure method of
> communication with the Deaf. That led to access to
> higher education.
>
> My current husband, whom I love very tenderly,
> suffers cyclic depression
> with compulsive tendencies and anxiety attacks that
> result in verbally
> abusive behavior. I've stuck it out for 20 years,
> but I don't like it and
> very few people approve of that choice. When he gets
> me down, he's the stbex
> on this list, and that gives me some room to breath
> again.
>
> Except for the parts that were painful, I have
> enjoyed every moment, and I
> never look at anything I experience as ordinary if I
> can help it, because I
> am lucky to be anywhere at all. I don't get high and
> I rarely drink a full
> drink. I can be loony without any help. But I did
> live through the early
> 70s, and I did move around a bit with the old
> friend, the old flame, and the
> poet. I am an unrepentent liberal; I don't apologize
> for knowing that it's
> wrong to do violence and wrong to be selfish when
> one has the power to be
> generous.
>
> When it seemed that "get a life" was a valid piece
> of advice, I got myself
> a life. At 45, I suddenly began to write poetry
> again (a thing I gave up
> about the time I married the poet).
>
> As it happens I have been lucky enough to survive
> the usual 70's adolescent
> adventures, cervical cancer, a head-on accident, and
> a natural gas pocket
> opening into our well, which produced flammable
> water. Why shouldn't I think
> life is exciting?
>
> Is there any part of the bio that doesn't suit?
> Please feel free to suggest
> additions or corrections.
>
> >Is your fever still high, Clo?   I just went and
> read parts of The Burning
> >Man web page.  Sounds complicated.  Was there music
> as well as art?  Did
> >you ever have an art car?
>
> There were bells, and music, sweet music, all
> around, la la la
> -oh. ahem. I may still have an extra degree or two
> of temp. There
> was a ton of techno drivel, most of it not <that>
> good, but also some Elvis,
> a brass band dressed in Salvation Army uniforms
> doing old hymns, some good
> acoustic stuff in various places, and a hell of a
> lot of drumming. Oh, and a
> girl in sparkly stuff sang very good classical
> stuff, mostly opera, to
>  people waiting in line at one of the porta-john
> blocks.

I have the niggling feeling you have left something
out.


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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:51:55 -0700, Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
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>
>I have the niggling feeling you have left something
>out.

When you figure out what you wish it was, feel free to add it to Shoshana's
bio.
clo

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"RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - Saudi Arabia's religious police have declared Barbie dolls a threat to morality, complaining that the revealing clothes of the "Jewish" toy — already banned in the kingdom — are offensive to Islam. "

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I'm sitting here wondering how Barbie is a

"Jewish" toy.  Er, because of Streisand??

                  - D. M.

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From: Janet Hardy <verdie@EARTHLINK.NET>
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Hi all --

Remember that housewarming party I promised everybody a year or so ago?
Well, I'm finally having it -- Sunday, October 12, 2 p.m. on, here at my
place in Oakland (3403 Piedmont Ave. #301, at the corner of Broadway &
Piedmont, upstairs from the former Sawmill furniture store).

I'm hoping that at least a few Bay Area Wordslers can make it. It's a
talk-only event, no play, although of course I can't vouch for the topics of
conversation ;). Children, FOWLs, et al are welcome. If anybody is in from
out of town and needs a place to crash, I can bed down at least four or five
people comfortably, more if people are willing to stretch out on the floor.

If you're interested in coming, send me an email at verdie@earthlink.net and
I'll put you on the evite list so you're In The System.

I'll do a long newsy post another time, but I'm off to Ashland tomorrow
morning and have a million things to do. All is reasonably OK here and I
miss you all -- hope everybody's fine --

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Janet

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> I'm sitting here wondering how Barbie is a
>
> "Jewish" toy.  Er, because of Streisand??


Could be.  I never would have made that connection, though.

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> Daisy finally settled down for a nap; I wish I had
> as much energy
> as she.  I walked down to the pet store to get her
> some
> Science Diet and saw a guy with a dog as small as
> Daisy's
> toy dog.

Sniff.  Those teeny things are not proper dogs.

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> And click on "audition video."

Land sakes, Natalie!  Are you putting your money on her?

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   Life is way
> too busy.


Only if you allow it to be, Professor.

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> You should have it blessed, too!
>
> Betty

And don't forget Maria.  All good horses should be bless.

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> I'm doing the tour that first goes to five lighthouses before it ventures
> out to the whaling grounds.

That sounds fun!

--
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At 04:34 PM 9/11/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>Is Ben back?

I certainly hope so.

cwv

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On Wednesday, September 10, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Is there any part of the bio that doesn't suit? Please feel free to suggest
> additions or corrections.

I want to tell you the part I like best:
> ... and a natural gas pocket opening into our well, which produced
> flammable water. Why shouldn't I think life is exciting?

I think that says it all.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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    Barbie's last name is Roberts.  Doesn't sound very Jewish to me.

JMW

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http://www.zpub.com/burn/bm-history.html

Ann

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On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:13:02 -0700, Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
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>> > >                   - D. M.
>> >
>> > Not necessarily.  The Iraqis seem to believe that
>> all Americans are
>> tools
>> > of the Jews, come to take away the Arabic way of
>> life and eliminate
>> their
>> > culture and religion.
>
>
>But if we take it away from them, we will have it.
>And I, for one, do not want it.

How very dog-in-the-manger!
clo

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Some newbie TA requests this:

>I am teaching MCG 201 this semester and one of the assignments I have for
the
>students is movie reviews.  I would really appreciate it if you would send
me
>suggestions of movies you have seen that have a strong Race, Class, Gender,
or
>Sexuality theme.

It's for one of those weary Multicultural, Class and Gender courses.

I never assign movie reviews because they are so easy to lift.

What films fit this category? Are there any that don't?

AS

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On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:44:58 -0500, Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM>
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>> >Would anyone care to put into a nutshell for me what Burning Man is
>all
>> >about?  I googled but was overwhelmed with information, none of which
>> >gave the "special purpose".                      - D. M.
>>
>> The exact same thing happened to me when I went to the Burning Man web
>site
>> that Clo/Sho sent.  But what I finally got out of it was that it is a
>> week-long happening dating back to the mid-1980s.  People get together
>is
>> some desert place and celebrate life and independence and surviving
>the hot
>> days and cold nights with minimal supplies.  It is not commercial.
>Nothing
>> but coffee and ice is sold on site.  They burn a man on Saturday
>night.
>>
>> Clo may be correct or add things.  And, by the way, Clo I'm only
>pulling
>> your chain about the whole Shoshana thing.  You are very little like
>her.
>>
>> bonnie
>
>Thanks again, Bonnie.
>
>Maybe Clo can tell us why they burn a man.
>
>                  - D. M.

The original story is that they built the first man of found materials on a
 whim, and the next whim that occurred was to set it afire. People like
partying around bonfires, I suppose. The only symbolism that attaches to it
is whatever individuals choose to invest. I suppose one meaning could be
that whatever man creates is impermanent. You can certainly invent dozens of
others.

The other very large burn is the temple designed by David Best, and people
 have chosen to invest that with a group meaning of saying goodbye to loved
ones. If you look at the photos I posted of that, you'll see that it is
 covered with names and artifacts of people who have died in the previous
 year, including Alyce, my uncle and my cousin, my co-worker, my student,
my mentor, and my husband's best friend.

clo

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> > I'm doing the tour that first goes to five lighthouses before it ventures
> > out to the whaling grounds.
>
>That sounds fun!
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

It was great fun.  We did see whales.  We saw two sets of humpbacks up
close -- very close to the boat.  In each case, they surfaced and then
showed their tails before they went deep.  They did this very slowly and
majestically.  Quite nice.  We saw the blows of many more whales.  There
was a naturalist and an Allied Whale researcher on board our boat.

But the best part for me was just seeing Mount Desert Island from the sea,
as we left and as we came back home.  We went 25 miles out to sea.  The
whole range of mountains on this island was clearly visible at about five
miles out.  I counted 15 mountain peaks.  When we first moved here, I was
looking forward to being able to identify every peak from any aspect that I
might encounter them.  I've achieved that.

It was very moving to me to be able to look at the mountains and tell
myself:  "There's the south ridge of Cadillac that Jeanne and I hiked on
Sunday."  "There's Pemetic that Clyde and I hiked up one side and down the
other last summer."   "There's Acadia Mountain which we forced Tom and
Holly to hike with us."  "There's The Perpendicular Trail going up Mansell
Mountain."  Even the two minor peaks of Kebo Mountain, which Clyde and I
hiked two weeks ago, were clearly visible as we passed close to one of the
two cruise ships in harbor.

Those of you who were at Acadiafest and went out to the Jordan Pond House
will remember the two small peaks, The Bubbles, that one sees across Jordan
Pond from the restaurant.  Those two peaks were visible for a long, long
time, framed between the higher mountains.  I hadn't realized there was an
opening in the hills there that allowed one to see The Bubbles so clearly.

I didn't even get seasick.  However, I can now feel that the drugs have
taken full effect.  I have a slow metabolism.  Right now I feel utterly
mellow and a tad sleepy.



bonnie

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>Would anyone care to put into a nutshell for me what Burning Man is all
>about?  I googled but was overwhelmed with information, none of which
>gave the "special purpose".
>
>                      - D. M.

It gives people who enjoy propane-tank skeet-shooting a place to set up
their trebuchets for a week.

Ken Miller
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Oh.My.Gosh.  I just found the official Survivor web page and found the
Mississippi mortician.  Go here:

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor7/survivors/bio/darrah.shtml

And click on "audition video."

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Better late than never on that 'debt' thing and yes I do love my pets
:-)  I'm glad you like the quarter.  It just didn't seem right to send
you a plain old ordinary one when the occasion was so special.

Rita L.

Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

>
>She likes words and PETS. She is creative and generous and always
>pays her debts and keeps her word.
>
>
>Rita, the quarter is a wonderful gift - THANK YOU!
>
>---
>On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Rita Leonard wrote:
>
>
>
>>Bethany,
>>
>>That is super!  I'll send you a quarter.  Breathing feels really good
>>after all this time :-)
>>
>>
>---
>
>(It is a Tennessee quarter, "2002 Tennessee Coin Collector Set, State
>Coin Collector Set Series, Volume 16," housed in a packet showing views of
>the Great Smoky Mountains, The Old Mill in Pigeon Forge, etc. It will
>occupy a very special place in my Hamilton House condo.)
>
>Bethany
>
>

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>I'm doing the tour that first goes to five lighthouses before it ventures
>out to the whaling grounds.  I'm taking my digi.  Clyde's staying home to
>varnish windowsills.  The Bonine is perking in my body right now.  Here's
>hoping I don't get sick and have no appetite for dinner out at Red Sky
>tonight.
>
>
>bonnie

Does Clyde know that you're using the word "digi"?

If I were to approve of that usage, Clyde would probably call me the
Neville Chamberlain of the English language...oh, wait, he already did!
Does that make you the Edouard Daladier of the English language?

Ken Miller
Assistant Drone
Johnson Institute for the Study of Harmless Drudgery

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> >Would anyone care to put into a nutshell for me what Burning Man is
all
> >about?  I googled but was overwhelmed with information, none of which
> >gave the "special purpose".                      - D. M.
>
> The exact same thing happened to me when I went to the Burning Man web
site
> that Clo/Sho sent.  But what I finally got out of it was that it is a
> week-long happening dating back to the mid-1980s.  People get together
is
> some desert place and celebrate life and independence and surviving
the hot
> days and cold nights with minimal supplies.  It is not commercial.
Nothing
> but coffee and ice is sold on site.  They burn a man on Saturday
night.
>
> Clo may be correct or add things.  And, by the way, Clo I'm only
pulling
> your chain about the whole Shoshana thing.  You are very little like
her.
>
> bonnie

Thanks again, Bonnie.

Maybe Clo can tell us why they burn a man.

                  - D. M.

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> >Is Ben back?
> I certainly hope so.

Thanks! I've decided to try MIME-digest mode in the hopes that I can keep
up with at least part of the firehose, and when I can't, deleting the
phatic drivel will be that much easier.

As Clyde knows from receiving two copies of this message, I still have to
learn to change the To: line, but.

Ben

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> >"RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - Saudi Arabia's religious police have declared
> >Barbie dolls a threat to morality, complaining that the revealing
clothes
> >of the "Jewish" toy - already banned in the kingdom - are offensive
to Islam. "
> >________________________________
> >
> >I'm sitting here wondering how Barbie is a
> >
> >"Jewish" toy.  Er, because of Streisand??
> >                   - D. M.
>
>Not necessarily.  The Iraqis seem to believe that all Americans are
tools
>of the Jews, come to take away the Arabic way of life and eliminate
their
>culture and religion.
>
>
>bonnie

How did Iraqis get into the picture? Doris' post quoted the Saudi
religious police - they are evil and horrible but in no way connected
to Iraq, AFAIK.

-rashmi

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In a message dated 9/11/2003 12:57:38 PM Central Daylight Time,
williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU writes:
<<
Barbie's last name is Roberts.  Doesn't sound very Jewish to me.

>>

Her family may have picked it when they came over in the late
19th Century.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:05:25 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 10, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>> Is there any part of the bio that doesn't suit? Please feel free to
suggest
>> additions or corrections.
>
>I want to tell you the part I like best:
>> ... and a natural gas pocket opening into our well, which produced
>> flammable water. Why shouldn't I think life is exciting?
>
>I think that says it all.
>
>Karen
>"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

Hi, Karen,

How are knitting lessons coming?
This is the time of year when I can think about picking up wool without my
fingers itching. Are you working on any projects?

clo

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> > And click on "audition video."
> That's disgusting.

I'll say.  That damn thing's been running for seven years?!  I have no
desire to experience <reality>.

Ben

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>already said that in the future I will be willing to teach only on TTh.
>I like MWF in most ways, but it makes it impossible to do something like
>go to a party in SF on a Sunday afternoon.   -- Natalie

The second time that I went down to teach at the University of Florida, I
insisted on only MWF classes.  I also refused to come into campus on TTh,
even for office hours.  I thus had four days a week to get the tan of my
life.  And I did.

I was just thinking about this on Tuesday because one of the guests at The
Hearthside was a pathologist from Gainesville, Florida.  We talked about
old times.


bonnie

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On 11 Sep 2003 at 18:29, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> And click on "audition video."

That's disgusting.

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:

> > And click on "audition video."
>
> That's disgusting.

Yes.  I assume by "that," you mean the whole little show -- the whole
audition video.  So why was she chosen?  Comedy?  I do wonder exactly
how they decide.  They want diversity, reasonable fitness (i.e., nobody
who's likely to have a heart attack upon arrival), and I guess
<interesting> sorts.  So I guess I can see how she might be chosen.
She's a rural PWT to balance out the urban sophisticates.  She's
presumably physically fit.  And she is <insteresting> in that she is so
totally ridiculous.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>Sounds like a good day.  Were most of the people on the boat tourists?
>  -- Natalie

Yes, I'm sure they were.  Some were from the two cruise ships that were in
harbor.  They were allowed off the boat first because they had to catch a
4:30 shuttle back to their ships.  I did recognize one group of young
people who are either summer workers here or COA students.   I've seen them
out and about on the streets of Bar Harbor this summer. There were two
hundred or more people on the boat.  I'm sure the vast majority were tourists.


bonnie

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In a message dated 9/11/2003 1:24:41 PM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Old Bette's in the mail.

>>

Thanks!

Daisy finally settled down for a nap; I wish I had as much energy
as she.  I walked down to the pet store to get her some
Science Diet and saw a guy with a dog as small as Daisy's
toy dog.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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Teaching Math in 1950:  A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100.-  His cost of production is 4/5 of the price. What is his profit?

Teaching Math in 1960:  A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100.  His cost of production is 4/5 of the price, or $80.  What is his profit?

Teaching Math in 1970:  A logger exchanges a set "L" of lumber for a set "M" of money.  The cardinality of set "M" is 100.  Each element is worth one dollar.  Make 100 dots representing the elements of the set "M."  The set "C", the cost of production contains 20 fewer points than set "M."  Represent the set "C" as a subset of set "M" and answer the following question:  What is the cardinality of the set "P" of profits?

Teaching Math in 1980:  A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100.  His cost of production is $80 and his profit is $20.  Your assignment:  Underline the number 20.

Teaching Math in 1990:  By cutting down beautiful forest trees, the logger makes $20.  What do you think of this way of making a living?  What's wrong about it?  Topic for writing prompt after answering the question:  How did the forest birds and squirrels feel as the logger cut down the trees?  (There are no wrong answers.)

Teaching Math in 2000:  A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100.  His cost of production is $120.  How does Arthur Andersen determine that his profit margin is $60?  And how many documents were shredded to achieve this number?

Teaching Math in 2010:  El Loggero se habla with the truckero y se ponen de acuerdo con otro driver de la competencia y etc...

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> > >                   - D. M.
> >
> > Not necessarily.  The Iraqis seem to believe that
> all Americans are
> tools
> > of the Jews, come to take away the Arabic way of
> life and eliminate
> their
> > culture and religion.


But if we take it away from them, we will have it.
And I, for one, do not want it.

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Old Bette's in the mail.

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Articles on Sally Baron's obituary, which said that "memorials in her
honor can be made to any organization working for the removal of President
Bush", often mention that she loved to call him a "whistle ass".

"Whistle ass"?  Did she invent this term or what?

Ben

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> >  They burn a man on Saturday night.
>
>Who chooses?

If they can burn one man, why can't they burn them all?


bonnie

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On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>And don't forget Maria.  All good horses should be bless.

That happens with great regularity.

Bethany

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bonniev wrote:

> I gather that part of this thing that is Burning Man is to survive a
> minimalist weekend.  Is it always in a desert place?  Never in Alaska??

It's always in precisely the same place, isn't it?  And I don't remember
its being about surviving a minimalist weekend (remember from reading
about it through the years -- I've never experienced it ftf).  I thought
it was just kind a party that accidentally got started by some friends
and then grew and became famous and attacted lots of other people -- for
no particular reason except it happened and thus became a tradition.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> The origins of the festival were a small party on a beach in SF, contiguous
> to a pile of construction debris in the '60s. When it got too large for a
>  congested metropolitan area, it was shifted to an empty national park in
> the desert. The minimalism is an artifact of the move, but for those who

I believe the small party on the beach was a gathering of artists - at
least, there was one artist there who constructed a wooden man and burned
it.

Allan was working at the SF Art Institute in those days and the burning
man artist was teaching there then - but Allan can't remember his name.
Anyway, that was this guy's thing, in any case:  wooden sculpture, then
burned.  Sez Allan.

Ann

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--- "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@GWI.NET> wrote:
> At 04:34 PM 9/11/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>
> >Is Ben back?
>
> I certainly hope so.


Another "B" to the swarm.


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I have my kids write reviews, but of other things.  Have
them write a review of a commercial or their commute.
Something more original and harder to plagiarize.

Amy Burns Short wrote:

> Some newbie TA requests this:
>
>
>>I am teaching MCG 201 this semester and one of the assignments I have for
>>
> the
>
>>students is movie reviews.  I would really appreciate it if you would send
>>
> me
>
>>suggestions of movies you have seen that have a strong Race, Class, Gender,
>>
> or
>
>>Sexuality theme.
>>
>
> It's for one of those weary Multicultural, Class and Gender courses.
>
> I never assign movie reviews because they are so easy to lift.
>
> What films fit this category? Are there any that don't?
>
> AS
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Bad timing.  My ice bucket is going to be on the stage at the Starkville
Community Theatre at the very time I'm hosting an English Department
symposium.  But the truth is that I haven't had this ice bucket all that
long.  I managed to get along without it before and can surely manage to
host the symposium without it.  And as I told the person who asked about
borrowing it for the play, my ice bucket will feel quite honored to be
on the stage.  Hmm.  I wonder whether the chair I gave the SCT a few
months ago is going to be in this play.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Rita Leonard wrote:

>Better late than never on that 'debt' thing and yes I do love my pets
>:-)  I'm glad you like the quarter.  It just didn't seem right to send
>you a plain old ordinary one when the occasion was so special.

Now to decide which priest will bless it - probably our Cathedral Dean.
It's too early to plan a date yet, though. I could have it double-blessed
- the monks at Gethsemani will bless objets.

Bethany

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On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:43:59 -0400, bonniev <bonniev@GWI.NET> wrote:

>I'm going to go on my whale watch at 1 p.m.
>
>http://www.barharborwhales.com/
>
>This is the free ticket that I won as a door prize when I donated blood
>this summer.  The seas are calm today and it's about as warm as it's going
>to be before wintah sets in.  I'm taking a fleece pullover, a gortex wind
>breaker, and a wool hat and gloves.  It's bound to be cold out on the open
>Atlantic.
>
>I'm doing the tour that first goes to five lighthouses before it ventures
>out to the whaling grounds.  I'm taking my digi.  Clyde's staying home to
>varnish windowsills.  The Bonine is perking in my body right now.  Here's
>hoping I don't get sick and have no appetite for dinner out at Red Sky
tonight.
>
>
>bonnie

This sounds very cool. I hope you enjoy it thoroughly.
clo

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02003-09-11 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> > >"RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - Saudi Arabia's religious police have declared
> > >Barbie dolls a threat to morality, complaining that the revealing
> > >clothes of the "Jewish" toy - already banned in the kingdom - are
> > >offensive to Islam. "
> > >________________________________
> > >
> > >I'm sitting here wondering how Barbie is a
> > >
> > >"Jewish" toy.  Er, because of Streisand??
> > >                   - D. M.
> >
> > Not necessarily.  The Iraqis seem to believe that all Americans
> > are tools of the Jews, come to take away the Arabic way of life
> > and eliminate their culture and religion.
> >
> >
> > bonnie
> >
> Thanks.  But of course.
>
>         - D. M.

Glad to see the confusion settled.

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>
> I gather that part of this thing that is Burning Man is to survive a
> minimalist weekend.  Is it always in a desert place?  Never in
Alaska??
>
>
> bonnie

Would anyone care to put into a nutshell for me what Burning Man is all
about?  I googled but was overwhelmed with information, none of which
gave the "special purpose".

                      - D. M.

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>I had a lot to make up for
>when I was let off my chain at 16 to go to college. And I did, for about 3
>years. Then I married a poet, had 2 kids, divorced the poet, and married
>the old college friend. After a while I went back to work,

Well, maybe you aren't Shoshana.  Or, at least, you tell a different
story.  If I remember correctly, she had three daughters, two of which died
tragically, and the third who wouldn't talk to her or allow her to see her
granddaughter.

>girl in sparkly stuff sang very good classical stuff, mostly opera, to
>  people waiting in line at one of the porta-john blocks.

I gather that part of this thing that is Burning Man is to survive a
minimalist weekend.  Is it always in a desert place?  Never in Alaska??


bonnie

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ben Ostrowsky
>Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 4:30 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Whistle ass?
>
>
>Articles on Sally Baron's obituary, which said that "memorials in her
>honor can be made to any organization working for the removal
>of President
>Bush", often mention that she loved to call him a "whistle ass".
>
>"Whistle ass"?  Did she invent this term or what?
>
>Ben
>

Is Ben back?


alec

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Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> > And click on "audition video."
>
> Land sakes, Natalie!  Are you putting your money on her?

This is the first time I've ever done anything re Survivor except watch
it -- the first time I've looked at stuff like that on a website.  I
never even watch the after-council comments -- I turn off the tv as the
voted-out person walks up the path.  I'm not sure I like this extra
knowledge.  Seeing that video most definitely turned me off.

I noticed while on that site that they're all young this time.  So much
for diversity.  There's only one over fifty -- and she's just
fifty-one.  I'm not sure about this Survivor at all.  But I am
nevertheless looking forward to next Thursday night.  I've got to be
very well organized in the coming week.  The night after Survivor is the
symposium at my house.  I'm going to have to spread out the preparations
and house-cleaning and stuff to make sure that Thursday night is sacred
time.  But I've got a zillion obligations next week, in addition to just
teaching my classes, from a bunch of ARF-related things to a Friends of
the Library Board meeting to making food to take to a Federation of
Democratic Women event to putting up posters for the community theatre
to other things I can't even remember.  Life is way too busy.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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        I wish Barbie would get banned *here*.

Doris Markland wrote:

> "RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - Saudi Arabia's religious police have declared Barbie dolls a threat to morality, complaining that the revealing clothes of the "Jewish" toy — already banned in the kingdom — are offensive to Islam. "
>
> ________________________________
>
> I'm sitting here wondering how Barbie is a
>
> "Jewish" toy.  Er, because of Streisand??
>
>                   - D. M.
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Janet Hardy wrote:

> out of town and needs a place to crash, I can bed down at least four or five
> people comfortably, more if people are willing to stretch out on the floor.

Darnit.  I've gotta quit teaching.  This would be fun.  Actually, I have
already said that in the future I will be willing to teach only on TTh.
I like MWF in most ways, but it makes it impossible to do something like
go to a party in SF on a Sunday afternoon.  Or at least I am not willing
to cancel that Monday's class for personal travel since I'm already
doing that on a Friday at the end of October.  I agreed to go to a party
in Jackson on Thursday night, October 30, and decided instead of driving
back at dawn the next morning I would just declare that a holiday.
Since in my days as a full-fledged employee I would normally miss a
Friday around that time in the semester because of SAMLA, I decided to
miss this one to party in Jackson.  My syllabus says "no class" for that
day -- I told them it was their Halloween holiday.  (Another difference
between that and SF is that I've never canceled a class after the
semester has begun.  The no-class days are always on the syllabus.)

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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(It is a Tennessee quarter, "2002 Tennessee Coin Collector Set, State
>Coin Collector Set Series, Volume 16," housed in a packet showing views of
>the Great Smoky Mountains, The Old Mill in Pigeon Forge, etc. It will
>occupy a very special place in my Hamilton House condo.)
>
>Bethany

You should have it blessed, too!

Betty

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On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:21:33 -0400, bonniev <bonniev@GWI.NET> wrote:

>> >  They burn a man on Saturday night.
>>
>>Who chooses?
>
>If they can burn one man, why can't they burn them all?
>
>
>bonnie

bloodthirsty!
clo

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I'm going to go on my whale watch at 1 p.m.

http://www.barharborwhales.com/

This is the free ticket that I won as a door prize when I donated blood
this summer.  The seas are calm today and it's about as warm as it's going
to be before wintah sets in.  I'm taking a fleece pullover, a gortex wind
breaker, and a wool hat and gloves.  It's bound to be cold out on the open
Atlantic.

I'm doing the tour that first goes to five lighthouses before it ventures
out to the whaling grounds.  I'm taking my digi.  Clyde's staying home to
varnish windowsills.  The Bonine is perking in my body right now.  Here's
hoping I don't get sick and have no appetite for dinner out at Red Sky tonight.


bonnie

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On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:16:45 -0700, Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
wrote:

>  They burn a man
>> on Saturday night.
>
>
>Who chooses?
>

To be accurate, they don't burn <a> man, but <the> man.
clo

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> >"RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - Saudi Arabia's religious police have declared
> >Barbie dolls a threat to morality, complaining that the revealing
clothes
> >of the "Jewish" toy - already banned in the kingdom - are offensive
to Islam. "
> >________________________________
> >
> >I'm sitting here wondering how Barbie is a
> >
> >"Jewish" toy.  Er, because of Streisand??
> >                   - D. M.
>
> Not necessarily.  The Iraqis seem to believe that all Americans are
tools
> of the Jews, come to take away the Arabic way of life and eliminate
their
> culture and religion.
>
>
> bonnie
>
Thanks.  But of course.

        - D. M.

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:14:11 -0500, Bill <brintala@BELLSOUTH.NET> wrote:
>
>
>>bye
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Carolyn Ostrander" <clostran@SYR.EDU>
>>To: <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 7:26 PM
>>Subject: Re: Who are you people?
>>
>>
>>
>>>On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:51:50 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Hmm. Anyone here unfamiliar with IRC?
>>>>>
>>>>I am very happy to be unfamiliar with IRC--though I did have an
>>>>extremely wordy career going on in the mist-shrouded past sometime.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>IRC is a vast underworld of chat
>>>>>>rooms where groups of people gather to talk about "whatever".   A
>>>>>>
>>>"Beavis
>>>
>>>>>>and Butthead" room would contain people who love to talk about Beavis
>>>>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>>>>Butthead.  There are hundreds of these chat rooms on IRC.  I joined
>>>>>>
>>one
>>
>>>>>>titled "Pet Lovers" only these people didn't just adore their animals
>>>>>>
>>>they
>>>
>>>>>>really "Loved" their animals.  So pederastry aside, you folks appear
>>>>>>
>>to
>>
>>>be
>>>
>>>>>>seem to swim in cleaner waters.  Unless we want to discuss the finer
>>>>>>
>>>points
>>>
>>>>>>of the use of peanut butter.
>>>>>>
>>>>These folks only appear to be swimming in "cleaner waters". It's
>>>>like some very competent-looking clean-cut sales guy with a navy
>>>>career in the past and a nice suburban home and beautiful picture
>>>>of wife and kids on his desk, who gets fired and you spend hours
>>>>unsubscribing him from almostUnderageAsianSlutBootyPorn.com lists.
>>>>
>>>Yep, that's definitely me. I'm not Shoshana, I'm Shoshana's ex!
>>>clo
>>>
>
> Oh my god, I have driven someone off the list. I should unsub immediately.
> Wait. I am already nomail. Think. Could this mean... am I no longer a
> newbie?


        You have arrived!


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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02003-09-11 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> The original story is that they built the first man of found materials on
> a whim, and the next whim that occurred was to set it afire. People like
> partying around bonfires, I suppose. The only symbolism that attaches to
> it is whatever individuals choose to invest. I suppose one meaning could
> be that whatever man creates is impermanent. You can certainly invent
> dozens of others.

Burning a man is a very old practice and is roughly speaking a rite
of "ringing out the old". "Whatever individuals choose" must be an
intriguing Californian variation.

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--- John Williams <williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU>
wrote:
>     Barbie's last name is Roberts.  Doesn't sound
> very Jewish to me.


that is a red herring.

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> > I'm sitting here wondering how Barbie is a
> >
> > "Jewish" toy.  Er, because of Streisand??
>
>
> Could be.  I never would have made that connection, though.
>
>
I was just being silly.  But really I wonder
where they get the idea to associate Jewish
with Barbie.

                   - D. M.

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Here's an interesting tool...

http://consumer.tveyes.com/index.asp

You give it your email address (could be a Yahoo anonymous one), and a few
keywoprds to watch for.  My guess is that it scans the
caption-for-the-hearing-impaired.  It reports via email all instances of the
keywords you give it.  For instance I have "firearms" in there, and I
recently got this link sent to me by the service:

http://www.TVEyes.com/database/expand.asp?ln=4701092&Key=firearms

I imagine it would be an excellent tool for watching a specific company or
commodity if one were seriously interested in stocks and/or futures.

'fyi... 'Alan

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If it's not a house blessing, I'm not interested.

>From: Janet Hardy <verdie@EARTHLINK.NET>
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>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: a slightly warmed-over housewarming
>Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 23:49:56 -0400
>
>Hi all --
>
>Remember that housewarming party I promised everybody a year or so ago?
>Well, I'm finally having it -- Sunday, October 12, 2 p.m. on, here at my
>place in Oakland (3403 Piedmont Ave. #301, at the corner of Broadway &
>Piedmont, upstairs from the former Sawmill furniture store).
>
>I'm hoping that at least a few Bay Area Wordslers can make it. It's a
>talk-only event, no play, although of course I can't vouch for the topics
>of
>conversation ;). Children, FOWLs, et al are welcome. If anybody is in from
>out of town and needs a place to crash, I can bed down at least four or
>five
>people comfortably, more if people are willing to stretch out on the floor.
>
>If you're interested in coming, send me an email at verdie@earthlink.net
>and
>I'll put you on the evite list so you're In The System.
>
>I'll do a long newsy post another time, but I'm off to Ashland tomorrow
>morning and have a million things to do. All is reasonably OK here and I
>miss you all -- hope everybody's fine --
>
>Hugs,
>Janet

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>How did Iraqis get into the picture? Doris' post quoted the Saudi
>religious police - they are evil and horrible but in no way connected
>to Iraq, AFAIK.            -rashmi

Oops.  Sorry.  I guess I've bought into Bush-speak  --  someone from over
there created an act of terror on us, so they are all painted with the same
brush.  My bad.


bonnie

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On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:08:36 -0400, bonniev <bonniev@GWI.NET> wrote:

>>Would anyone care to put into a nutshell for me what Burning Man is all
>>about?  I googled but was overwhelmed with information, none of which
>>gave the "special purpose".                      - D. M.
>
>The exact same thing happened to me when I went to the Burning Man web site
>that Clo/Sho sent.  But what I finally got out of it was that it is a
>week-long happening dating back to the mid-1980s.  People get together is
>some desert place and celebrate life and independence and surviving the hot
>days and cold nights with minimal supplies.  It is not commercial.  Nothing
>but coffee and ice is sold on site.  They burn a man on Saturday night.
>
>Clo may be correct or add things.  And, by the way, Clo I'm only pulling
>your chain about the whole Shoshana thing.  You are very little like her.
>
>bonnie

Bonnie,
If anything I subtracted quite a lot.
clo

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  They burn a man
> on Saturday night.


Who chooses?


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Ben Ostrowsky wrote:
>
> > > And click on "audition video."
> > That's disgusting.
>
> I'll say.  That damn thing's been running for seven years?!  I have no
> desire to experience <reality>.

What damn thing?  Survivor?  I don't think of it as exactly "running"
since it's not like a regular tv show that runs all year (or I guess
regular tv shows run all year -- do they?).  And I know the first
Survivor was not as long ago as seven years.  It was at least a year
after I had returned from Japan, which I did in May '98.  I had cable
for a while after that, then dropped it, and it was sometime after I
dropped it that Survivor started.  I remember deciding to get cable
again (which turned out to be dish) because of Survivor.  I watched it
one week on a tv set in a hotel and was fascinated at how prtetty
everything looked with cable.  Anyway, all of that was well under seven
years ago.  Hmm.  The Survivors are numbered, I think.  This one may be
Survivor 7 -- I didn't notice when I looked at the website.  If so, that
would mean about 3.5 years since I think there have been two a year,
right?

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Twelve hundred people have paid $1000 a piece to hear Dubya speak at a
lunch in Jackson today.

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Sounds like a good day.  Were most of the people on the boat tourists?

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On Thursday, September 11, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> How are knitting lessons coming?

I'm still going when I can.

> This is the time of year when I can think about picking up wool without my
> fingers itching. Are you working on any projects?

Lacy socks for my sister, socks for Liginiere's birthday, and I have
two pairs of socks I need to make for me. (I need to make my zebra
socks and I need to make the matching sock of the fancy socks I
designed.) And don't tell Paul, but I bought yarn to make him more
socks.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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From: Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU>
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On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:46:26 -0400, bonniev <bonniev@GWI.NET> wrote:

>>I had a lot to make up for
>>when I was let off my chain at 16 to go to college. And I did, for about 3
>>years. Then I married a poet, had 2 kids, divorced the poet, and married
>>the old college friend. After a while I went back to work,
>
>Well, maybe you aren't Shoshana.  Or, at least, you tell a different
>story.  If I remember correctly, she had three daughters, two of which died
>tragically, and the third who wouldn't talk to her or allow her to see her
>granddaughter.
>

I would hate to destroy any cherished illusions, but more than one person
lived through the 70s and spent time in Oregon.

In fact, I met one on the plane back from NV.

>>girl in sparkly stuff sang very good classical stuff, mostly opera, to
>>  people waiting in line at one of the porta-john blocks.
>
>I gather that part of this thing that is Burning Man is to survive a
>minimalist weekend.  Is it always in a desert place?  Never in Alaska??
>
>
>bonnie

The origins of the festival were a small party on a beach in SF, contiguous
to a pile of construction debris in the '60s. When it got too large for a
 congested metropolitan area, it was shifted to an empty national park in
the desert. The minimalism is an artifact of the move, but for those who
a) enjoy camping in the desert or b) think that limiting the # of people
who care too much for creature comforts adds something to the mix, it's
considered a positive feature.

clo

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Rita Leonard claims to be a "shy person (mostly a lurker on the list)."
She appears not to have updated her bio for many years, though there is
some evidence that a 4-legged critter has been replaced by a 2-legged
critter. Further evidence says that she was born, raised, and educated in
the Boston area. She holds a B.S. from Boston College where she is
currently employed.

She likes words and PETS. She is creative and generous and always
pays her debts and keeps her word.


Rita, the quarter is a wonderful gift - THANK YOU!

---
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Rita Leonard wrote:

>Bethany,
>
>That is super!  I'll send you a quarter.  Breathing feels really good
>after all this time :-)
---

(It is a Tennessee quarter, "2002 Tennessee Coin Collector Set, State
Coin Collector Set Series, Volume 16," housed in a packet showing views of
the Great Smoky Mountains, The Old Mill in Pigeon Forge, etc. It will
occupy a very special place in my Hamilton House condo.)

Bethany

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> >>
> >> bonnie
> >
> >Thanks again, Bonnie.
> >
> >Maybe Clo can tell us why they burn a man.
> >
> >                  - D. M.
>
>
> The other very large burn is the temple designed by David Best, and
people
>  have chosen to invest that with a group meaning of saying goodbye to
loved
> ones. If you look at the photos I posted of that, you'll see that it
is
>  covered with names and artifacts of people who have died in the
previous
>  year, including Alyce, my uncle and my cousin, my co-worker, my
student,
> my mentor, and my husband's best friend.
>
> clo

Thanks, Clo.  This makes sense and saves
me a lot of reading.

            - D. M.

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On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 00:36:35 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
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>bye
>
>02003-09-10 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
>> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:51:55 -0700, Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >
>> >I have the niggling feeling you have left something
>> >out.
>>
>> When you figure out what you wish it was, feel free to add it to
Shoshana's
>> bio.
>> clo

Nice.
clo

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Yesterday was pretty hard day on the world, I guess. Or at least
Americans: Johnny Cash and John Ritter gone.

Karen

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At 09:56 PM 9/11/2003 -0700, Bookrat wrote:
>Does Clyde know that you're using the word "digi"?

I attributed it to the effects of the Bonine.

cwv

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Does Clyde know that you're using the word "digi"?

If I were to approve of that usage, Clyde would
probably call me the
Neville Chamberlain of the English language...oh,
wait, he already did!
Does that make you the Edouard Daladier of the English
language?

For Dr. C.V., it is probably more Quislingesque.

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> > > And click on "audition video."
> > That's disgusting.
>
>I'll say.  That damn thing's been running for seven years?!  I have no
>desire to experience <reality>.             --Ben

Welcome back, Ben.  Wast that newbie who just came and left actually you in
disguise??

The show Survivor isn't nearly as bad as those audition videos, not that I
even went to view it.  Some people will do anything to get on TV.  But once
on TV they turn meek and mild and boring.


bonnie

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  Is it always in a desert place?
>  Never in Alaska??


Baked Alaska

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>Would anyone care to put into a nutshell for me what Burning Man is all
>about?  I googled but was overwhelmed with information, none of which
>gave the "special purpose".                      - D. M.

The exact same thing happened to me when I went to the Burning Man web site
that Clo/Sho sent.  But what I finally got out of it was that it is a
week-long happening dating back to the mid-1980s.  People get together is
some desert place and celebrate life and independence and surviving the hot
days and cold nights with minimal supplies.  It is not commercial.  Nothing
but coffee and ice is sold on site.  They burn a man on Saturday night.

Clo may be correct or add things.  And, by the way, Clo I'm only pulling
your chain about the whole Shoshana thing.  You are very little like her.

bonnie

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Amy Burns Short wrote:

> Some newbie TA requests this:
>
> >I am teaching MCG 201 this semester and one of the assignments I have for
> the
> >students is movie reviews.  I would really appreciate it if you would send
> me
> >suggestions of movies you have seen that have a strong Race, Class, Gender,
> or
> >Sexuality theme.
>
> What films fit this category? Are there any that don't?

    Good Lord, not very many.  Have her pick one, or at least narrow it down to
a specific decade.  Color, B&W, talkie, anything.

JMW

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> The show Survivor isn't nearly as bad as those
> audition videos, not that I
> even went to view it.  Some people will do anything
> to get on TV.  But once
> on TV they turn meek and mild and boring.


What is the wide appeal, then?  The personalities, the
situations, the just plain unabashedness?

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>What is the wide appeal, then?  The personalities, the
>situations, the just plain unabashedness?

Not sure of the wide appeal.  But for me it's fun to watch people interact
in a somewhat stressful situation.  The show is somewhat formulaic which is
comforting -- you know what you're going to get to some extent.  But people
are fascinating in their infinite variety.  In some ways, the first show
was best because people had no idea what was coming.  In other ways, the
later shows are interesting in that people make the same mistakes -- they
can't help themselves.

It's fun to watch how a leader emerges early, often against his or her
will.  It's better in the game not to be too bossy.  But there is always
one who just can't stand the fact that nothing is getting done.  So they
take charge.  There is always the lazy one.  Always the beauty and no
brains one.  Sometimes the older ones are well accepted.  Other times the
young are scornful of the old.  Always there are the cocky and
clueless.  Sometimes there is a master manipulator.

If you can accept it for what it is (a highly edited and choreographed
slice of human interaction), it's quite interesting.


bonnie

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On Friday, September 12, 2003, bonniev wrote:
> If you can accept it for what it is (a highly edited and choreographed
> slice of human interaction), it's quite interesting.

I disagree that it's highly choreographed. It's certainly highly
edited.

Karen
"Old age and treachery/Always overcomes youth and skill."--Willie Nelson

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I turned on the TV for a bit this morning, and was presented with the
story of Craig Shergold! http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0292109/

Karen

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>"RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - Saudi Arabia's religious police have declared
>Barbie dolls a threat to morality, complaining that the revealing clothes
>of the "Jewish" toy — already banned in the kingdom — are offensive to Islam. "
>________________________________
>
>I'm sitting here wondering how Barbie is a
>
>"Jewish" toy.  Er, because of Streisand??
>                   - D. M.

Not necessarily.  The Iraqis seem to believe that all Americans are tools
of the Jews, come to take away the Arabic way of life and eliminate their
culture and religion.


bonnie

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On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Betty Clark wrote:

>You should have it blessed, too!

Right! It shall be blessed.

Thanks,
Bethany

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bye

02003-09-10 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:51:55 -0700, Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >I have the niggling feeling you have left something
> >out.
>
> When you figure out what you wish it was, feel free to add it to Shoshana's
> bio.
> clo

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Johnny Cash...  'favorite song:  _Sea of Heartbreak_

The lights
In the harbor
Don't shine for me
I'm...
Like a lost ship
Adrift on the sea
Yeah... the Sea of Heartbreak
Lost tears and loneliness
Memories of your caress
How divine
How wish that you were mine
Again my Dear
I'm on the sea of tears
The Sea of Heartbreak
Lost tears and loneliness
Memories of your caress
How devinie
How I wish that you were mine
Again, my Dear
I'm on the sea of tears
The Sea of Heartbreak
Lost tears and loneliness
Memories of your caress
How devinie
How I wish that you were mine
Again, my Dear  <STOP THAT!  STOP THAT!>

A classic it is... dom dom dom ;-)


----- Original Message -----
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> alec

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Hi Pete.... you're always so helpful, I wanted to share this with you...  It
a list of fun/useful registry entries...  wallpapering the login screen
background, autologin switches, etc... ;-)

http://www.rns-solutions.com/ntinfo/

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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 05:52:13 -0500, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
wrote:

>Twelve hundred people have paid $1000 a piece to hear Dubya speak at a
>lunch in Jackson today.
>
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Yeah, well. People also pay big money to EAT blowfish.
clo

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It's too late for me, but maybe some of you will find this protection
useful:
http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html

Ann

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> It's too late for me, but maybe some of you will
> find this protection
> useful:
> http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html


Strange... I sort of thought most Wordslers already
wore these.

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>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU>
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>Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 9:26 AM
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>
>
>> alec

When June died, I knew he wouldn't be far behind.
clo

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02003-09-12 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >>"RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - Saudi Arabia's religious police have declared
> >>Barbie dolls a threat to morality, complaining that the revealing
> >>clothes of the "Jewish" toy - already banned in the kingdom - are
> >>offensive to Islam. "
> >>________________________________
> >>
> >>I'm sitting here wondering how Barbie is a
> >>
> >>"Jewish" toy.  Er, because of Streisand??
> >>                   - D. M.
> >
> >Not necessarily.  The Iraqis seem to believe that all Americans are tools
> >of the Jews, come to take away the Arabic way of life and eliminate their
> >culture and religion.
> >
> >
> >bonnie
>
> How did Iraqis get into the picture? Doris' post quoted the Saudi
> religious police - they are evil and horrible but in no way connected
> to Iraq, AFAIK.
>
> -rashmi


You have messed up the third frame of a funny comic strip. It should be:

"I guess there are no psychology classes in Palestine which explain
the word 'programming'"

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Isn't Webster Groves where Rita teaches?  One of this year's crop of
Survivors is from there:


Born and raised in St. Louis, Tijuana Bradley is currently single and
employed as a waitress; she recently resigned from a position as a
pharmaceutical sales representative. She holds a Bachelor of Arts degree in
mass communications with an emphasis in broadcast journalism from St. Louis
University. In her hometown of Webster Groves, she was Miss Webster 1993.
In college she was a SLU Cheerleader, interned at a network-affiliated
television station and later worked as a high school cheerleading coach.
Her favorite hobbies include fishing, skydiving and taking her nieces to
different entertainment and education events. She is most proud of her
mother's ability as a single parent to raise her and her brother, as well
as the love and lessons her late mother taught her. She belongs to Big
Brother/Big Sister and volunteers at homeless and women's shelters. Her
favorite sports are stunt-cheerleading, basketball and football. Her mother
is her hero. She describes herself as perky, emotional and genuine. She
believes her sense of logic, attention to detail, athleticism, expression,
motivation, ability to be realistic and nurturing nature make her a perfect
candidate for SURVIVOR: PEARL ISLANDS. Her birth date is July 23, 1976.


bonnie

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> Welcome back, Ben.  Wast that newbie who just came and left actually you in
> disguise??

By my troth, it was not!

Ben

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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 11:15:13 -0700, Ben Ostrowsky <sylvar@VAXER.NET> wrote:

>> Welcome back, Ben.  Wast that newbie who just came and left actually you
in
>> disguise??
>
>By my troth, it was not!
>
>Ben

My god, was that a newbie? Surely now - if so, how is it that no one asked
 him the three magic questions?
clo

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Yep, that's where I work.  She predates my arrival in
Missouri, tho.

bonniev wrote:

> Isn't Webster Groves where Rita teaches?  One of this year's crop of
> Survivors is from there:
>
>
> Born and raised in St. Louis, Tijuana Bradley is currently single and
> employed as a waitress; she recently resigned from a position as a
> pharmaceutical sales representative. She holds a Bachelor of Arts degree in
> mass communications with an emphasis in broadcast journalism from St. Louis
> University. In her hometown of Webster Groves, she was Miss Webster 1993.
> In college she was a SLU Cheerleader, interned at a network-affiliated
> television station and later worked as a high school cheerleading coach.
> Her favorite hobbies include fishing, skydiving and taking her nieces to
> different entertainment and education events. She is most proud of her
> mother's ability as a single parent to raise her and her brother, as well
> as the love and lessons her late mother taught her. She belongs to Big
> Brother/Big Sister and volunteers at homeless and women's shelters. Her
> favorite sports are stunt-cheerleading, basketball and football. Her mother
> is her hero. She describes herself as perky, emotional and genuine. She
> believes her sense of logic, attention to detail, athleticism, expression,
> motivation, ability to be realistic and nurturing nature make her a perfect
> candidate for SURVIVOR: PEARL ISLANDS. Her birth date is July 23, 1976.
>
>
> bonnie
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 11:15:13 -0700, Ben Ostrowsky <sylvar@VAXER.NET> wrote:
>
>
>>>Welcome back, Ben.  Wast that newbie who just came and left actually you
>>>
> in
>
>>>disguise??
>>>
>>By my troth, it was not!
>>
>>Ben
>>
>
> My god, was that a newbie? Surely now - if so, how is it that no one asked
>  him the three magic questions?
> clo


        That's no newbie.




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And Larry Hovis, who played Carter on Hogan's Heroes.  Most of the
time Carter was a sweet, bumbling character, but when he had to
play a Nazi, he was clever and sadistic.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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> My god, was that a newbie? Surely now - if so, how
> is it that no one asked
>  him the three magic questions?


He didn't sound like a person who would have egg
shelves, AT ALL.  Just peanut butter.

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02003-09-11 | Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM> writes:
> Does Clyde know that you're using the word "digi"?
>
> If I were to approve of that usage, Clyde would probably call me the
> Neville Chamberlain of the English language...oh, wait, he already did!
> Does that make you the Edouard Daladier of the English language?
>
> Ken Miller
> Assistant Drone
> Johnson Institute for the Study of Harmless Drudgery

I submit that the above drudgery is not harmless.

Discuss

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> What is the wide appeal, then?  The personalities, the
> situations, the just plain unabashedness?

I liked the first one best because there didn't seem to be so much
emphasis on alliances and back-stabbing and stuff.  Naively perhaps, I
didn't think much about all that, even though I was aware, of course, of
the delicate balancing act of competing while also knowing that the
people you were competing against were the voters on who left next.  I
enjoy watching the challenges, both the physical ones and the
intellectual ones, and the overall survival like finding food and water,
building shelters, making fire, etc.  And it's fun to get to know these
people, even though, as we've discussed before, the editing skews the
views for whatever reasons the producers have for choosing to skew in
certain ways at certain times.

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bonniev wrote:

> If you can accept it for what it is (a highly edited and choreographed
> slice of human interaction), it's quite interesting.

Well said.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I disagree that it's highly choreographed. It's certainly highly
> edited.

There's a certain choreography in the original choices of the
participants, in the method used for dividing them into tribes, in the
kinds of challenges, etc.  I think there have been suggestions that the
choreography goes farther than that -- accusations of major manipulating
by the producers, haven't there?

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Karen Kay wrote:
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> I turned on the TV for a bit this morning, and was presented with the
> story of Craig Shergold! http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0292109/

I saw that movie and enjoyed it.

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On Friday, September 12, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>> My god, was that a newbie? Surely now - if so, how is it that no one asked
>>  him the three magic questions?
>> clo


>         That's no newbie.

Bill, not Ben.

Karen
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On Friday, September 12, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> I disagree that it's highly choreographed. It's certainly highly
>> edited.

> There's a certain choreography in the original choices of the
> participants, in the method used for dividing them into tribes, in the
> kinds of challenges, etc.

Sure, but I'd call that low-level choreography.

> I think there have been suggestions that the choreography goes
> farther than that -- accusations of major manipulating by the
> producers, haven't there?

Like what? Manipulation of the viewing audience by editing, yes.

Karen
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Somebody said at lunch today that he had been on some kind of city
committee back whenever it was that an addition to the jail here was
about to be opened, dedicated, whatever and that he had suggested that
Johnny Cash be invited to come and sing "Starkville City Jail."  He said
that the city officials looked at him as though he were from Mars.  We
all thought it would have been a great idea -- and that Johnny might
have done it.

There is no such thing as the Starkville City Jail, of course, nor was
there when Johnny was in the Oktibbeha County Jail.  But Oktibbeha
wouldn't have fit the metrics as well.  Otherwise, the song is pretty
true, according to people I've known who were here when it happened --
shortly before I moved here.  He had been at a party, the party ended,
he was taken back to where he was staying, he decided he wasn't quite
ready to turn in (it was only 2 a.m.), he headed out onto the streets,
and he was arrested while picking the mayor's flowers.  He was not
exactly what one could call <sober>.

I don't know John Ritter, btw.  I know personally a local person named
Tom Ritter, and I know Scott Ritter, the former arms inspector in Iraq,
though not personally.  But I do not know John.

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On Friday, September 12, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I don't know John Ritter, btw.  I know personally a local person named
> Tom Ritter, and I know Scott Ritter, the former arms inspector in Iraq,
> though not personally.  But I do not know John.

"The most recognizable face on TV."

Karen

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02003-09-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Friday, September 12, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> > Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >> My god, was that a newbie? Surely now - if so, how is it that no one asked
> >>  him the three magic questions?
> >> clo
>
>
> >         That's no newbie.
>
> Bill, not Ben.
>
> Karen
> "True reveolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> > My god, was that a newbie? Surely now - if so, how
> > is it that no one asked
> >  him the three magic questions?
>
> He didn't sound like a person who would have egg
> shelves, AT ALL.  Just peanut butter.

Why?  And is that good or bad?  I'm sorry he didn't stay longer.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I think there have been suggestions that the choreography goes
> > farther than that -- accusations of major manipulating by the
> > producers, haven't there?
>
> Like what? Manipulation of the viewing audience by editing, yes.

No, not manipulation of the audience via editing.  I haven't read much
about Survivor, but I remember reading something somewhere in the
<general news> at some point about one of the people on one of the early
Survivors accusing CBS of major fakery.  Alas, I don't remember the
details.  Wasn't there something like a threatened lawsuit?  Something
about telling some of the people what to do or something like that?

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Karen Kay wrote:

> "The most recognizable face on TV."

Your quotation is from where?  I don't necessarily dispute it since I
for sure wouldn't try to name the most recognizable face on tv for the
general viewing public.  I do find it amazing, though, that it wouldn't
be somebody like Dan Rather or Mike Wallace or Peter Jennings or at
least somebody I'd heard of.  What exactly does (did) this Ritter person
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> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > "The most recognizable face on TV."
>
> Your quotation is from where?  I don't necessarily dispute it since I
> for sure wouldn't try to name the most recognizable face on tv for the
> general viewing public.  I do find it amazing, though, that it
wouldn't
> be somebody like Dan Rather or Mike Wallace or Peter Jennings or at
> least somebody I'd heard of.  What exactly does (did) this Ritter
person
> do on tv?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

You never watched Three's Company?

             - D. M.

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> > I think there have been suggestions that the choreography goes
> > farther than that -- accusations of major manipulating by the
> > producers, haven't there?
>
>Like what? Manipulation of the viewing audience by editing, yes.
>Karen

There have been accusations of bribery and coercion to, for example, not
vote out the old guy.  Or whatever.  That's possibly not true.  I don't
think they need to do that to keep the show interesting.

But certainly they manipulate emotions with the episode that always
includes visits or letters from loved ones at home.  Then there is the host
with his prying questions at council meetings.  And I wouldn't be surprised
if the interviewers behind those cameras don't manipulate the survivors to
say nasty things about each other because they know that is of interest to
the viewers.

During the first episode the survivors went on strike until they were
issued waterproof jackets during the monsoon rains.  It would be mildly
interesting to see the contracts these people have to sign.


bonnie

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On Friday, September 12, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> "The most recognizable face on TV."

> Your quotation is from where?

I don't remember--NPR, I think, but I can't swear. It's something I
heard in passing today.

> What exactly does (did) this Ritter person
> do on tv?

Actor.

Karen
"True reveolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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> > What exactly does (did) this Ritter person do on tv?
>
>Actor.          --Karen

He was only 54 years old and was about to star in a new sitcom:  8 simple
rules for dating my teenage daughter.  "The cause of death was a tear in
the aorta, the result of an unrecognized flaw in his heart."


bonnie

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> He was only 54 years old and was about to star in a new sitcom:  8 simple
> rules for dating my teenage daughter.  "The cause of death was a tear in
> the aorta, the result of an unrecognized flaw in his heart."

He did star in that show.

Two people at work independently said it was a pretty good show.

--Adam
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In a message dated 9/12/2003 6:54:20 PM Central Daylight Time,
bonniev@GWI.NET writes:
<<
He was only 54 years old and was about to star in a new sitcom:  8 simple
rules for dating my teenage daughter.
>>

He was about to start the second year of the series.

He was in a pretty good comedy-drama (Hooperman)
as a police detective.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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On Friday, September 12, 2003, bonniev wrote:
> He was only 54 years old and was about to star in a new sitcom:  8 simple
> rules for dating my teenage daughter.

Um, no. He's been starring in it.

Karen
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On Friday, September 12, 2003, bonniev wrote:
>> > I think there have been suggestions that the choreography goes
>> > farther than that -- accusations of major manipulating by the
>> > producers, haven't there?
>>
>>Like what? Manipulation of the viewing audience by editing, yes.
>>Karen

> There have been accusations of bribery and coercion to, for example, not
> vote out the old guy.  Or whatever.  That's possibly not true.  I don't
> think they need to do that to keep the show interesting.

I agree.

> But certainly they manipulate emotions with the episode that always
> includes visits or letters from loved ones at home.  Then there is the host
> with his prying questions at council meetings.

True, but I see those as pot-stirring rather than choreography.

> And I wouldn't be surprised
> if the interviewers behind those cameras don't manipulate the survivors to
> say nasty things about each other because they know that is of interest to
> the viewers.

Again, I see this as pot-stirring.

> During the first episode the survivors went on strike until they were
> issued waterproof jackets during the monsoon rains.  It would be mildly
> interesting to see the contracts these people have to sign.

Yes.

Karen
"True reveolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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At 07:57 PM 9/12/2003 -0400, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

>He was about to start the second year of the series.
>
>He was in a pretty good comedy-drama (Hooperman)
>as a police detective.

To me, one of his better moments was during one of Robin Williams's
specials.  He came up from the audience and did an improvisational bit with
Williams---most of it a takeoff on Shakespeare.  Williams was at his manic,
imaginative best---and Ritter stayed right with him.

cwv

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In a message dated 9/12/2003 7:04:19 PM Central Daylight Time, cwv@GWI.NET
writes:
<<
To me, one of his better moments was during one of Robin Williams's
specials.  He came up from the audience and did an improvisational bit with
Williams---most of it a takeoff on Shakespeare.
>>

I remember when Robin Williams did a "Shakespeare meets Three Mile Island"
on Dick Cavett's PBS show; it was hilarious.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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Doris Markland wrote:

> You never watched Three's Company?

No.  But I've heard the name.  Ditto a bunch of other tv shows.  I could
spiel off lots of names of shows I've never seen but know exist/existed
-- Mash, Hill Street Blues, Cheers -- my brain is blanking, but I know I
could come up with some more tv shows if I worked hard on this project.
Or if somebody gave me a list and told me to mark which ones had been
popular tv shows, I think I'd do ok.

Of <regular> tv shows (as in not movies and not news or news-like
stuff), the ones I've watched in my life are Father Knows Best (a
carryover from listening to it on the radio), Dragnet (it was also on
radio, wasn't it?), Lux Video Theater (maybe not a regular tv show, but
I remember it was one of my favorites when tv was young), I Love Lucy,
Our Miss Brooks, the Ed Sullivan Show, Hit Parade, then a longish gap --
as in I don't remember watching tv between those shows I just named and
the late '70s or early '80s.  That makes sense, though.  I graduated
from high school in '61.  Didn't watch tv in college at all, as far as I
can remember, except for odd occasions like standing in the Student
Union and watching stuff about Kennedy's assasination.  Didn't have tv
access for a good many years after that -- didn't own one and wasn't at
college where there were communal ones.  It was late '70s, I think, when
I next had tv.  Was that when Family was on?  That leads to my next list
of shows I watched.  I adored Family.  I also watched some episodes of
those wine-related shows -- I can't remember the names -- wait --
Dynasty??  Was that one?  And I watched some episodes of Dallas.

I may be leaving out some other shows I've watched, but those are the
only ones that float to my current braintop:  Father Knows Best,
Dragnet, Lux Video Theater, I Love Lucy, Our Miss Brooks, Ed Sullivan,
Hit Parade, Family, Dynasty, Dallas.

And then there was Boston Public!  Can't believe I almost forgot it.
It's the only tv show (not counting Survivor, of course, which is not a
<regular> tv show) that I've watched in recent years.  I watched it
regularly for a while but then stopped when it lost its combination of
funny and serious.  It became cornily serious and boring.

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bonniev wrote:
> It would be mildly
> interesting to see the contracts these people have to sign.

I thought about that during the burned-hands thing and during the
African one when there were lions and tigers (and bears oh my) nearby.
I have a feeling that the legal stuff the participants have to sign is
quite lengthy and careful.

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Mississippi (as a whole -- not Starkville) is a hotbed of bushy
thinking.  That's why I'm yaying about what I just looked at.  There's a
poll in today's Clarion-Ledger about how much you'd be willing to spend
to eat lunch with Dubya.  I'm yaying that my answer is with the
majority.  I'm not used to that.  The poll is here (left-hand side of
screen -- apparently there's no way to pull up just that poll in a
separate frame and give its url):

http://www.clarionledger.com/

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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This came to me courtesy of Ligniere.

Karen

BENTONVILLE, ARK(AP)

Wal-Mart customers soon will be able to sample a new discount item -- Wal-Mart's
own brand of wine.  The world's largest retail  chain is teaming up with E&J Gallo
Winery of Modesto, Calif., to  produce the spirits at an affordable price, in the
$2-5 range.

While wine connoisseurs may not be inclined to throw a bottle of Wal-Mart brand
wine into their shopping carts, there is a market for cheap wine, said Kathy
Micken, professor of marketing at Roger Williams University in Bristol, R.I.
She said: "The right name is important."

So, here we go: The top 12 suggested names for Wal-Mart Wine:

12. Chateau Traileur Parc
11. White Trashfindel
10. Big Red Gulp
 9. Grape Expectations
 8. Domaine Wal-Mart  "Merde du Pays"
 7. NASCARbernet
 6. Chef Boyardeaux
 5. Peanut Noir
 4. Chateau des Moines
 3. I Can't Believe It's Not Vinegar!
 2. World Championship Riesling

And the number 1 name for Wal-Mart Wine...

        1. Nasti Spumante

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In a message dated 9/12/2003 4:53:29 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

>building shelters, making fire, etc.  And it's fun to get to know these
>people,

Believe me, it ain't no fun when you have to do it in reality to stay alive
as in WWII in the Netherlands. My daddy would get on his bike and travel
several miles (winter, mind you) to the areas that produced flower bulbs for
consumption. If it had lasted 2 more weeks he wouldn't have survived. You
Americans.... shakes head.
Theo

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http://cio.com/archive/090103/people_sidebar_1.html

"No Americans Need Apply

Daniel Soong, who lost his programming job to Indian offshore
companies, is willing to relocate to India. But Indian officials have
told him they don't hire Americans."


Karen

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On Friday, September 12, 2003, Theo Groothof wrote:
> In a message dated 9/12/2003 4:53:29 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

>>building shelters, making fire, etc.  And it's fun to get to know these
>>people,

> Believe me, it ain't no fun when you have to do it in reality to stay alive
> as in WWII in the Netherlands. My daddy would get on his bike and travel
> several miles (winter, mind you) to the areas that produced flower bulbs for
> consumption. If it had lasted 2 more weeks he wouldn't have survived. You
> Americans.... shakes head.
> Theo

Theo, Natalie didn't say she though building shelters and making fire
was fun. She said "it's fun to get to know these people". That's a
different issue than the one you're shaking your head over.

Karen
"True reveolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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Will the Walmart wine be sold in liquor stores or just in Wmarts in
states that allow that?  Here one can't buy wine except in liquor
stores.  I prefer the system in states like Alabama that allow wine
sales in grocery stores.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Theo Groothof wrote:

> >building shelters, making fire, etc.  And it's fun to get to know these
> >people,
>
> Believe me, it ain't no fun when you have to do it in reality to stay alive

With all due respect to your childhood experiences, you missed the
point.  I said that it is fun to get to know the people.

> You
> Americans.... shakes head.

If I'm not mistaken, the USA was involved in some way in WWII.

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On a recent grocery shopping expedition, I scanned the packages of three or
four different brands of smoked salmon.  All indicated that the unused
portions should be wrapped tightly in aluminum foil and
frozen.  Personally, I'd double wrap---first plastic wrap, then aluminum foil.

cwv

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> I submit that the above drudgery is not harmless.
>
> Discuss

Drudgery always harms someone, somewhere.

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In a message dated 9/12/2003 7:17:38 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

>If I'm not mistaken, the USA was involved in some way in WWII.
>
Very little; it was the Canadians that send us food. So there.
Americans like the *joy of violence*, but food is what we needed the most.
You'll understand if you ever experienced hunger.
Theo

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Clyde., I think it was you who told me quite a while ago that prior to
wrapping meat for frozen stowage, it should be thoroughly washed...

'Alan... 'Happily reminiscing around about 4Jul03...



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> On a recent grocery shopping expedition, I scanned the packages of three
or
> four different brands of smoked salmon.  All indicated that the unused
> portions should be wrapped tightly in aluminum foil and
> frozen.  Personally, I'd double wrap---first plastic wrap, then aluminum
foil.
>
> cwv

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
>
> On a recent grocery shopping expedition, I scanned the packages of three or
> four different brands of smoked salmon.  All indicated that the unused
> portions should be wrapped tightly in aluminum foil and
> frozen.  Personally, I'd double wrap---first plastic wrap, then aluminum foil.

Thank you for the research, which I might need in the future, having
decided that I really like those smoked salmon chunks and thinking that
I may well serve them again on some occasion.  I don't need the
knowledge at present, though, because I managed to stuff myself with
smoked salmon for a good many nights in a row, throwing away only a last
tiny bit that I really couldn't force down on that last night of my
salmon-gorging.  The next night felt odd -- my first non-salmon night in
ages.

I really do recommend those packages of smoked-salmon chunks.  I bought
them at Kroger, which I haven't been in again since then.  The next time
I go there, which may be ages from now since I normally grocery-shop at
Wmart, I will try to remember to go look at the smoked salmon packages
and remember the brand.

Meanwhile, I used late today some chutney that was past the time period
that somebody posted a chutney-related url here describing.  I first
tasted it, though, and decided it tasted non-tainted.  Then I put it
into the curry-chicken balls I was making.  They're now frozen -- for
use at the symposium that will be here a week from tonight.  I decided
that if I get horribly sick tomorrow, I will conclude it's from old
chutney and will throw away the chicken balls.  Otherwise, I'll serve
them.  I also made late today stage one of the cheese-bacon crispies.
Will slice and bake them tomorrow and then freeze them.

--
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> Why?  And is that good or bad?  I'm sorry he didn't
> stay longer.


He just didn't.  But it must have been more than clo
that spooked him.  Why even bother to say "bye"?  Was
it Rita C. who said "spy"?  She may be right.  He's
spying on behalf of other reality shows.  They're
going to choose 8 of us for a smashing new show.

Since B. Bill has fled the scene, Mme. Borinki may
have to give them some pointers.

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Theo Groothof wrote:
> >If I'm not mistaken, the USA was involved in some way in WWII.
> >
> Very little; it was the Canadians that send us food. So there.

I did say "if I'm not mistaken."  No doubt I'm mistaken and the stories
from people involved and the history books are wrong -- that the USA was
involved "very little" in WWII.

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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Theo Groothof wrote:

>Americans like the *joy of violence*, but food is what we needed the most.
>You'll understand if you ever experienced hunger.

Theo, honey, please engage the brain.

Thanks,
Bethany

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> He was about to start the second year of the series.
>
> He was in a pretty good comedy-drama (Hooperman)
> as a police detective.


In that series, he had a dog named Bijou.

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Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> > Why?  And is that good or bad?  I'm sorry he didn't
> > stay longer.
>
> He just didn't.  But it must have been more than clo
> that spooked him.  Why even bother to say "bye"?  Was

I must have been reading too hurriedly and skipping things.  How did clo
spook him?  As for bothering to say bye, I consider that polite
behavior.  It's of course not necessary for somebody who has lurked a
while but not said anything.  But I do think it's appropriate for
somebody who has jumped in for a while -- a simple bye without telling
us why he doesn't like us.

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In a message dated 9/12/2003 8:41:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
In that series, he had a dog named Bijou.

>>

Who was much smaller than Daisy is at 16 weeks.

Evelyn Duncan
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I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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The chess game starts in the morning. We will move my paintings and some
sculptures to HH - also two chairs and maybe a bookcase or two, and
perhaps an electric tv (the one for the den, which has a marvelous
built-in cabinet for all <media> components - but it does not have a shelf
big enough for my 25" set, so that one will go in my bedroom/exercise
room). [Natalie, can you diagram that S?]

There will be NO electric tv in my living-room, which will be a museum
room for a while (I have very little living room furniture - basically a
couch).

Then I will have to figure out where to put my large speakers.

My life is quite impossible right now. And the phone keeps ringing. I was
amused today - plaintiffs in a lawsuit in Maryville emailed me - after
searching on the web for a linguist to work on a legal case. I remember
when people used to all the nearest university for such needs.

Bethany

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> I must have been reading too hurriedly and skipping
> things.  How did clo
> spook him?  As for bothering to say bye, I consider
> that polite
> behavior.  It's of course not necessary for somebody
> who has lurked a
> while but not said anything.  But I do think it's
> appropriate for
> somebody who has jumped in for a while -- a simple
> bye without telling
> us why he doesn't like us.

Clo reckons she is no longer a newbie, as she drove
him off the list - or at least, that's the way I
understood it.

And why should he worry about being polite at this
juncture?  Perhaps he finally realized he was not on
the list of his memory.

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> My life is quite impossible right now. And the phone
> keeps ringing. I was
> amused today - plaintiffs in a lawsuit in Maryville
> emailed me - after
> searching on the web for a linguist to work on a
> legal case. I remember
> when people used to all the nearest university for
> such needs.

Will you take the Maryville case, or will it interfere
with your moving?

BTW, e.e. cummings made his appearance today.  Mayhem looms.

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I wonder if there's something in the Book of Common Prayer
for breaking computers.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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So, I'm at this gig at the juevenile detention center, where
St. Barnabas sometimes hosts birthday parties for the kids
(through Episcopal City Mission).   And I'm doling out pizza
when one of the young men comes up to me and asks if I'm
still at WG.  I asked him of he was one of my students,
because I didn't quite recognize him, and he replied with
his name.  (He was in my class my first terrifying week last
year, which explains why he remembered me, but I didn't
remember him.)  And, wonder upon wonders, I tell him he's on
my roster for 7th hour and I was wondering where he had
been.  Well, wasn't I the royalty for the evening, as he was
telling all his buddies that I was his English teacher*.  We
sat and had a nice chat over the pizza.

*We're not supposed to give our last names or anything like
that, but my cover was blown, baby.

--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

>I wonder if there's something in the Book of Common Prayer
>for breaking computers.

Remember that the BCP is always being revised.

Bethany

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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>Will you take the Maryville case, or will it interfere
>with your moving?

Probably. Plaintiffs emailed me - I told them I work only with lawyers,
not directly with parties (partly in order to keep the attorney-client
privilege operative). Their lawyer is to call me next week. Trial is set
for next March.

> >BTW, e.e. cummings made his appearance today.  Mayhem looms.

Obvioulsy!

Bethany

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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

> Since B. Bill has fled the scene, Mme. Borinki may
> have to give them some pointers.

Well I'm not up to doing a satire, parody, spoof or adaptation.  (Where is
Myles.)

But I can speculate who would be in the final 1 or 2, if say the top 16
posters (top in terms of volume) would be divided into 2 tribes and put on
Survivor.

Pete, I speculate, would last a long time.  But would he allow himself to
be devious enough to do what's necessary?

Bonniev of course is a strong contender, since she's studied the game and
has strong basic skills.  But I doubt she has any ingratiating skills:
too blunt.  Won't get along with the southreners.

Bad Betty:  there's a possibility, except for the athleticism sometimes
demanded.  Would she stand on a stupid effing stump in a stupid effing
swamp for 10 hours, just to advance herself in the game?  I doubt it.  But
I bet Bonniev would.

'Alan.  There's a possibility.

I eliminate Espen, Rashmi, Tushar, even Jacque, because they don't come
from Our Heartland, on the contrary.

Has a city person ever won?  Maybe, I don't know.

You know, this is pretty boring.  I don't have the frikking KNACK.  Damn.

Ann

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On Friday, September 12, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I really do recommend those packages of smoked-salmon chunks.

Are these the pieces that are leftover after they make the nice
filets? Yes, I agree that these are quite good. I love them in eggs or
on the occasional bagel. They are very hard to find, generally,
though. Trader Joe's used to only sell them around Christmas.

Karen
"True reveolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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On Friday, September 12, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> The chess game starts in the morning. We will move my paintings and some
> sculptures to HH

I keep reading this "Habitat for Humanity".

Karen
"True reveolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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At 09:15 PM 9/12/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>So, I'm at this gig at the juevenile detention center, where
>St. Barnabas sometimes hosts birthday parties for the kids
>(through Episcopal City Mission).   And I'm doling out pizza
>when one of the young men comes up to me and asks if I'm
>still at WG.  I asked him of he was one of my students,
>because I didn't quite recognize him, and he replied with
>his name.  (He was in my class my first terrifying week last
>year, which explains why he remembered me, but I didn't
>remember him.)  And, wonder upon wonders, I tell him he's on
>my roster for 7th hour and I was wondering where he had
>been.  Well, wasn't I the royalty for the evening, as he was
>telling all his buddies that I was his English teacher*.  We
>sat and had a nice chat over the pizza.
>
>*We're not supposed to give our last names or anything like
>that, but my cover was blown, baby.

You rule, Rita.  I'm sorry that I did not get or take the time to chat with
you more in Maine.  I really wish that we could have been able to come out
to your campground but we had a *very* early flight in the morning out of
Portland.  I envied Clo going.  I did spend a lot of time watching your
daughter. She is gorgeous.  I really enjoyed just watching the interaction
between her and all the Wild children.  They were all just incredible.  If
only all children were loved as much. . .sorry, getting maudlin.  Where is
Brad?

Betty

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> > "True reveolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

I wonder if that's actually true.

Ann

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On Friday, September 12, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> But I can speculate who would be in the final 1 or 2, if say the top 16
> posters (top in terms of volume) would be divided into 2 tribes and put on
> Survivor.

> Pete, I speculate, would last a long time.  But would he allow himself to
> be devious enough to do what's necessary?

He'd be an inadvertent leader and get axed within the first 4.

> Bonniev of course is a strong contender, since she's studied the game and
> has strong basic skills.  But I doubt she has any ingratiating skills:
> too blunt.  Won't get along with the southreners.

> Bad Betty:  there's a possibility, except for the athleticism sometimes
> demanded.  Would she stand on a stupid effing stump in a stupid effing
> swamp for 10 hours, just to advance herself in the game?  I doubt it.  But
> I bet Bonniev would.

If there's a million dollars at stake, don't underestimate My Bad
Betty.

> 'Alan.  There's a possibility.

> I eliminate Espen, Rashmi, Tushar, even Jacque, because they don't come
> from Our Heartland, on the contrary.

> Has a city person ever won?  Maybe, I don't know.

> You know, this is pretty boring.  I don't have the frikking KNACK.  Damn.

You think I'd be eliminated right away or something????

Karen
"True reveolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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On Friday, September 12, 2003, Betty wrote:
> I did spend a lot of time watching your
> daughter. She is gorgeous.  I really enjoyed just watching the interaction
> between her and all the Wild children.  They were all just incredible.  If
> only all children were loved as much. . .sorry, getting maudlin.

You are far from the only one who had such thoughts, and *I* don't
think they are maudlin.

Karen
"True reveolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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At 07:42 PM 9/12/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Bad Betty:  there's a possibility, except for the athleticism sometimes
>demanded.  Would she stand on a stupid effing stump in a stupid effing
>swamp for 10 hours, just to advance herself in the game?  I doubt it.  But
>I bet Bonniev would.
>
>Ann

Hey, I climbed Mt. Lassen in July!  No, I wouldn't stand on the stump.

Larry just called from Montana.  It is 40 degrees and the wind is blowing!

Betty

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At 09:50 PM 9/12/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>On Friday, September 12, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> > The chess game starts in the morning. We will move my paintings and some
> > sculptures to HH
>
>I keep reading this "Habitat for Humanity".

I read wHore House.

Betty

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At 07:52 PM 9/12/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> > > "True reveolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern
>
>I wonder if that's actually true.
>
>Ann

And the Aliens came to fuck the monkeys.

Betty

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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> You think I'd be eliminated right away or something????

sorry, but that LAUGH ....

Ann

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On Friday, September 12, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>> > "True reveolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

> I wonder if that's actually true.

Me, too. In any case, it's caused me to think about what a true
revolutionary is.

I think many of the people I go to meeting with on Sunday *are* true
revolutionaries. There are a few of them who do not pay taxes because
they choose not to support war. There are others who do other
extraordinary things. Like the guy who works with juvenile death
penalty clients. I don't think I have that much fortitude.

Karen

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On Friday, September 12, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> You think I'd be eliminated right away or something????

> sorry, but that LAUGH ....

You don't like my laugh?!

Karen
"True reveolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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Somehow I don't think 'Gal on the Corner' has the same impact.

http://www.news8austin.com/content/your_news_/stories/?SecID=372&ArID=83292

Karen

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--- Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> wrote:
> > > "True reveolutionaries never bomb
> buildings."--Dan Bern
>
> I wonder if that's actually true.

They have never wavered long in the bombing of people.


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02003-09-12 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > > "True reveolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern
>
> I wonder if that's actually true.
>
> Ann

Shyeuh, "Ann" ... there's just a typo in it, that's all!

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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> > sorry, but that LAUGH ....
>
> You don't like my laugh?!

I don't know, would you stifle it in the tent?

It'd be fine in the tundra!

Ann

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ON the tundra.

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>And the Aliens came to fuck the monkeys.

>Betty

Damned straight as an arrow.

Give me some of whatever it is you're having. Or I will give you some more
of mine (margarita, that is).

AS

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02003-09-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> http://cio.com/archive/090103/people_sidebar_1.html
>
> "No Americans Need Apply
>
> Daniel Soong, who lost his programming job to Indian offshore
> companies, is willing to relocate to India. But Indian officials have
> told him they don't hire Americans."

You are speaking like it's bad news--but since the hiring is protectionist,
non-merit-based, and unnaturally regulated, the whole infrstructure in
India will collapse rapidly in a free global market. It's simple economics.
Chin up, and have some faith.

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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http://surface.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/20/index.html

over this blob.  Rip it up - make big swaths across the stupid blob.

I really like to watch this if the mouse works it hard.  But it's like a
big cow pie if you don't move the mouse very much, or move it slowly.

Ann

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At 10:40 PM 9/12/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >And the Aliens came to fuck the monkeys.
>
> >Betty
>
>Damned straight as an arrow.
>
>Give me some of whatever it is you're having. Or I will give you some more
>of mine (margarita, that is).
>
>AS

Wine.  And it's not two buck Chuck.

Betty

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At 08:47 PM 9/12/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>http://surface.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/20/index.html
>
>over this blob.  Rip it up - make big swaths across the stupid blob.
>
>I really like to watch this if the mouse works it hard.  But it's like a
>big cow pie if you don't move the mouse very much, or move it slowly.
>
>Ann

I made it cover the entire screen and had my way with it. I didn't want to
over work my  mouse.

BB

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In a message dated 9/12/2003 8:42:38 PM, aborkin@RAHUL.NET writes:

>You know, this is pretty boring.  I don't have the frikking KNACK.  Damn.
>
Me too, fortunately, Theo

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In a message dated 9/12/2003 8:59:11 PM, bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

>And the Aliens came to fuck the monkeys.
>
>Betty
>
And are still at it! And sadly failing alas.
Theo

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In a message dated 9/12/2003 9:56:12 PM, bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

>Wine.  And it's not two buck Chuck.
>
>Betty
>
What a waste! Theo

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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>I keep reading this "Habitat for Humanity".

And indeed it is.

(Around here we don't shorten it to HH - we call it Habitat.)

Bethany

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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Betty wrote:

>>I keep reading this "Habitat for Humanity".
>
>I read wHore House.

I'll tell the residents first chance I get.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> >Will you take the Maryville case, or will it interfere
> >with your moving?
>
> Probably. Plaintiffs emailed me - I told them I work only with lawyers,
> not directly with parties (partly in order to keep the attorney-client
> privilege operative). Their lawyer is to call me next week. Trial is set
> for next March.

I somehow missed the beginning of this discussion, but I'm curious about
your comment re the attorney-client pivilege.  Why would it not be
operative if you worked directly with the parties?

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Karen Kay wrote:
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> On Friday, September 12, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > I really do recommend those packages of smoked-salmon chunks.
>
> Are these the pieces that are leftover after they make the nice
> filets? Yes, I agree that these are quite good. I love them in eggs or

I have no idea what their origin is.  They're not small pieces --
they're almost as big as a filet.  I'd say they're sort of baby filets.
They're only ever so slightly smaller than what I would expect to show
up on my dinner plate in a nice restaurant if I ordered salmon filet.
Maybe not smaller at all -- or at least if the restaurant is one that
hasn't gotten into today's habit of repulsively large servings.  They're
somewhat bigger, I think, than the salmon filets I often cooked in Japan
-- maybe about the same length and width but much thicker.

> on the occasional bagel. They are very hard to find, generally,
> though. Trader Joe's used to only sell them around Christmas.

I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing.  I've never looked for
them before, but the person who had served them to guests in Virginia
(and possibly in Richland, Washington, before that -- I'm not sure
whether this is something she started serving only after their move to
Lynchburg a couple of years ago) went and checked out grocery stores
upon her arrival in Starkville and told me that she had found all the
necessary ingredients for the luncheon.  Then we went together to buy
the stuff.  These packages of salmon were hanging on hooks near the fish
counter in Kroger -- each chunk in its own package.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Pete, I speculate, would last a long time.  But would he allow himself to
> > be devious enough to do what's necessary?
>
> He'd be an inadvertent leader and get axed within the first 4.

I don't think he'd get axed that soon since he would not be a pushy,
obnoxious leader.  He would be a quietly competent worker, leading
through polite suggestions at proper times.  In the later stages,
though, he would be recognized as a major threat because of his skills
and because of his likability.  That might cost him in the long-run.

> > Bad Betty:  there's a possibility, except for the athleticism sometimes
> > demanded.  Would she stand on a stupid effing stump in a stupid effing
> > swamp for 10 hours, just to advance herself in the game?  I doubt it.  But
> > I bet Bonniev would.
>
> If there's a million dollars at stake, don't underestimate My Bad
> Betty.

Yes, I think BB is a possibility.  But she would have to stifle the
occasional wonderfully snarky jibe at her cohorts.

What about BrP?  I think he would last a good while.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I think many of the people I go to meeting with on Sunday *are* true

What kind of meeting?  Quaker?

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Somehow I don't think 'Gal on the Corner' has the same impact.
>
> http://www.news8austin.com/content/your_news_/stories/?SecID=372&ArID=83292

I read about somebody else doing this somewhere else a year or so ago --
on a highway in maybe California.  Can't remember now whether it was a
male or female.

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Ann Borkin wrote:
> I don't know, would you stifle it in the tent?
>
> It'd be fine in the tundra!

Another Wordsler who would do well until near the end when it was
realized that he was too much of a threat is Tony.  Or do Canadians not
get to play?

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Betty wrote:

> I made it cover the entire screen and had my way with it. I didn't want to
> over work my  mouse.

I got as far as "click here to get plug-in."

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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I somehow missed the beginning of this discussion, but I'm curious about
>your comment re the attorney-client pivilege.  Why would it not be
>operative if you worked directly with the parties?

It's basically good only between a lawyer and a client (not between a
linguist and a client) - but to some extent communications between
lawyers and persons such as expert witnesses are protected also. At a
certain point, items such as CVs, expert reports have to be made
available, but not much else until there is a deposition or a formal
proceeding.

I.e., there is no linguist-client privilege.

Bethany

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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> on the occasional bagel. They are very hard to find, generally,

Now there is an item hard to find in many places. Paneras etc all sell
things they call bagels, and they are very good - but they are not bagels.
I think I have mentioned that we have one real bagel-maker in Knoxville
now (from NJ).

Bethany

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>Bonniev of course is a strong contender, since she's studied the game and
>has strong basic skills.  But I doubt she has any ingratiating skills:
>too blunt.  Won't get along with the southreners.

Studying the game doesn't help a great deal.  But you underestimate my
powers of ingratiation.  You ought to see how sweet and pleasant I can be
to the Southerners when I'm Inn-sitting.  Also I'm one of those people who
actually listens to others.  I'd ace that contest where you have to
remember what another survivor's first cousin's second born child was named.

>I eliminate Espen, Rashmi, Tushar, even Jacque, because they don't come
>from Our Heartland, on the contrary.

There have been contestants on Survivor born in other countries.  Some have
even been born on the coasts of this country.

>Has a city person ever won?  Maybe, I don't know.

If you call Knoxville a city, there was a winner from a city.

>You know, this is pretty boring.  I don't have the frikking KNACK.  Damn.
>Ann

Practice makes perfect.


bonnie

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 > Survivor 7 -- I didn't notice when I looked at the website.  If
> so, that
> would mean about 3.5 years since I think there have been two a year,
> right?

Yep. The first Survivor was on TV over the summer of 2000.

Marie

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>Hey, I climbed Mt. Lassen in July!  No, I wouldn't stand on the stump.

Let us remember that in the very first episode of Survivor it was the guy
who, after about five minutes, stood down from his stump on purpose and ate
orange slices who went on to win the million dollars.

>Larry just called from Montana.  It is 40 degrees and the wind is blowing!
>Betty

Ah, lovely.  55 degrees here at 8:30 a.m.


bonnie

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> >Larry just called from Montana.  It is 40 degrees and the wind is
blowing!
> >Betty
>
> Ah, lovely.  55 degrees here at 8:30 a.m.
>
>
> bonnie

Sunny and 54 here.

     - D. M.

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>Wine.  And it's not two buck Chuck.

>Betty

Good for you -- and I even know about two buck Chuck, thanks to one of JMW's
Trader Joe's sightseeing tours ...

AS

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At 08:51 AM 9/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >Wine.  And it's not two buck Chuck.
>
> >Betty
>
>Good for you -- and I even know about two buck Chuck, thanks to one of JMW's
>Trader Joe's sightseeing tours ...
>
>AS

Two Buck Chuck isn't all that bad. We have a couple of cases in the shed.

Betty

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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 20:43:34 -0500, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

>Lynne Weber wrote:
>>
>> > Why?  And is that good or bad?  I'm sorry he didn't
>> > stay longer.
>>
>> He just didn't.  But it must have been more than clo
>> that spooked him.  Why even bother to say "bye"?  Was
>
>I must have been reading too hurriedly and skipping things.  How did clo
>spook him?

I had the honor of the last post in the topic before the "bye", I think.
'Twas propinquity, not logic, that led to the conclusion. Though claiming to
be Shoshana's ex might do it!

Secretly I have been assuming that he was on the non-phatic-drivel end of
the listserv split he was thinking he had been a part of.

>  As for bothering to say bye, I consider that polite
>behavior.  It's of course not necessary for somebody who has lurked a
>while but not said anything.  But I do think it's appropriate for
>somebody who has jumped in for a while -- a simple bye without telling
>us why he doesn't like us.
>

Yes, not telling why permits us to speculate unendingly!
clo

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02003-09-13 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 20:43:34 -0500, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:
> >Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> >> > Why?  And is that good or bad?  I'm sorry he didn't
> >> > stay longer.
> >>
> >> He just didn't.  But it must have been more than clo
> >> that spooked him.  Why even bother to say "bye"?  Was
> >
> >I must have been reading too hurriedly and skipping things.  How did clo
> >spook him?
>
> I had the honor of the last post in the topic before the "bye", I think.
> 'Twas propinquity, not logic, that led to the conclusion. Though claiming
> to be Shoshana's ex might do it!

Huh? The facts are clear ... *I*, T Bone in person, made a jackass
post, saying that people here were not normal as he was "sure of",
and that their accounts were full of booty-porn.com mails.

Well, that's not at all what I said, but there are people who read
"slut" and "porn" etc, and their parsing systems simply shut down,
and they can only sense acutely discomforting words whirling around.
Somebody like that would easily conclude this is one of them fearful
communities of perverts. I'd leave if I was such a person.

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I don't think he'd get axed that soon since he would not be a pushy,
> obnoxious leader.  He would be a quietly competent worker, leading
> through polite suggestions at proper times.

That's not enough to make people like him, though.

> What about BrP?  I think he would last a good while.

I think he'd win.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> I think many of the people I go to meeting with on Sunday *are* true

> What kind of meeting?  Quaker?

Yes.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, bonniev wrote:
> But you underestimate my
> powers of ingratiation.  You ought to see how sweet and pleasant I can be
> to the Southerners when I'm Inn-sitting.

But that's not a month in the bush. I don't think you'd be able to
keep it up.

> Also I'm one of those people who
> actually listens to others.  I'd ace that contest where you have to
> remember what another survivor's first cousin's second born child was named.

True. But that doesn't come till long after you'd be voted off.

Karen
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First the link, then the full, enedited text of the official interview (see
my previous post for the portion about Adam).

http://www.courier-journal.com/features/columns/ruthless/2003/ruthless.html

Philadelphia-based Adam Brodsky is an outrageously funny anti-folk singer
whose knack for politically irreverent humor is revealed in album titles
like “Hookers, Hicks, and Hebes,” and song titles like “Jesus Owes Me $50.”
Since he was kid, the self-described “Dork” has dreamt of getting his name
into the Guinness Book of World Records.  Now he has his chance: he’s on a
whirlwind tour that has him playing 50 gigs on 50 consecutive days in 50
states.  His gig at the Rudyard Kipling on Friday Sept. 19 at 10 p.m. (with
Louisvillians Nate Thumas and Brigid Kaelin) will be gig 48 out of 50.  The
Interrogator caught up with him in Burlington, Vermont, on day 18,
approximately 4500 miles into the tour.

Is this your first attempt to get into the Guinness Book of World Records?

No.  When I was kid I woke up early one morning and tried for the
pogo-sticking record.  I think the record is 113 hours.  I got 13 minutes
in, so I failed by 112 hours and 47 minutes.  You might want to have your
fact checkers check the actual record.

In what category do you expect Guinness to list your exploit?

Fastest tour by a solo performer.

You drive a Ford conversion van that you’ve dubbed the Pequod.  What is your
white whale?

I’m in search of the perfect folk song.

Can you describe the perfect folk song?

I’ll know it when I hear it, but it pisses me off that it’ll probably be
written by somebody else.

How’s the Pequod holding up?

It’s doing great.  I had a scare in Louisiana.  It acted like it had a dead
battery and didn’t want to start.  I scraped around the posts.  It didn’t
look corroded, like it didn’t have that white soapy stuff around the
terminal, but the metal was just dirty.  So I scraped around and got it
started one more time and took it to a Sears auto.  I bought new connectors
and installed them, and seven dollars later I was back in business.

Are you keeping the Pequod spic and span?

No, it’s a <bleeping> pigsty.  One thing I’ve discovered is that I tend to
write songs and clean the van on off days, and there are no off days on this
tour.  So the van’s not clean at all.  But I have started on a bluegrass
song that’s gonna be called “You Cut Out My Heart With Occam’s Razor.”  I’ll
have it finished by the time I get to Kentucky.

How many miles do you expect to log during this tour?

I think it’s somewhere between 25,000 and 30,000 miles

Does 50 states in 50 days mean that you’re eating 150 road meals?

No.  I don’t eat three meals a day.  I’m getting into these protein bars,
because you can get energy and get full without actually stopping and
eating.  Part of it is price.  A protein bar is $1.50, and you’re not gonna
get a meal for that.  The other thing is I don’t eat fast food.  It’s not
good for you, and it’s expensive.  Usually, I stop at supermarkets and cook
on a grill, but by the time you light the grill and clean up, that’s a long
process and I don’t have much time on this tour.  So I’m eating protein bars
and maybe eating one real meal a day.

What are you doing about laundry?

I brought 14 pairs of socks and underwear, and a few less shirts and jeans,
and every couple of weeks I do laundry in a laundromat.  For the most part
I’m not stinking up the joints where I’m playing.

How would you describe your politics?

There’s nuts on the left and there’s nuts on the right, and the truth is
somewhere in the middle.  If you have a bumpersticker, you’re labeling
yourself as a left-wing nut or a right wing kook, or a Dave Matthews Band
fan, one of the three.  So what I want to come out with is a line of
moderate bumper stickers with things like “Give Peace Half a Chance,” or
“Save a Reasonable Amount of Whales,” or “Keep First Trimester Abortions
Legal.”

Do you think it’s a coincidence that right in the middle of your tour, John
Ashcroft is barnstorming around the country defending the Patriot Act?

Oh, he’s scared of me.  He’s so scared of me.  He won’t return my calls.
He’s fearful.  I’d like to have my own FBI file, but I think it’s tougher to
get one these days.  I’m just a little schmuck who plays folk songs.

What is anti-folk?

It is where punk rock and folk meet.  It’s punk without the Marshall stacks
and folk without the wussies.  Like Dee Dee Ramone goes drinking with Woody
Guthrie and Moses Asch records the conversation.  It’s all the best parts of
punk rock and folk music. The things they have in common are the
do-it-yourself ethos, the fact that you don’t have to be a virtuoso, the
fact that you should have something really important to say.  Anti-folk
takes all those and ignores all the big bloated things that make punk and
especially folk music intolerable these days.

If you’re playing folk-punk, is there moshing at your shows?

Well, there’s no moshing per se, but at my shows there’s a nosh pit.

What’s a nosh pit?

It’s just like a mosh pit, except that there’s prune Danish.

Isn’t this whole 50 gigs in 50 states in 50 days thing really about meeting
chicks?

No, it’s not. I wish it was, but if there are after-parties - and there have
been - I can’t really go to ‘em. I can’t really meet chicks, because I have
to get in the car and drive after the show.  The only way I can meet a chick
is if she’s willing to take a bus home from the next city.  If I meet a
chick in Louisville, she has to take a bus home from Charleston. West
Virginia.

You describe yourself as a dork.  What is a dork?

Here’s the thing, when you get your publicity photos taken, you can look
like an asshole or an idiot.  You can scowl and look tough, or you can put a
finger up your nose and look goofy.  Neither one is good, but you’re gonna
look like one or the other, and I would choose an idiot over an asshole as
the lesser of two evils.  One of the things I really don’t like is I really
do not like rock stars. I don’t like people who think they’re too cool for
school, people that walk around thinking that they’re a rock star.  And I
defuse that by sayin’ “Look at me, I’m playing music for a living and
everything, but I’m a dork.”

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bye

On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-09-13 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 20:43:34 -0500, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:
> > >Lynne Weber wrote:
> >
> > >> > Why?  And is that good or bad?  I'm sorry he didn't
> > >> > stay longer.
> > >>
> > >> He just didn't.  But it must have been more than clo
> > >> that spooked him.  Why even bother to say "bye"?  Was
> > >
> > >I must have been reading too hurriedly and skipping things.  How did clo
> > >spook him?
> >
> > I had the honor of the last post in the topic before the "bye", I think.
> > 'Twas propinquity, not logic, that led to the conclusion. Though claiming
> > to be Shoshana's ex might do it!
>
> Huh? The facts are clear ... *I*, T Bone in person, made a jackass
> post, saying that people here were not normal as he was "sure of",
> and that their accounts were full of booty-porn.com mails.
>
> Well, that's not at all what I said, but there are people who read
> "slut" and "porn" etc, and their parsing systems simply shut down,
> and they can only sense acutely discomforting words whirling around.
> Somebody like that would easily conclude this is one of them fearful
> communities of perverts. I'd leave if I was such a person.
>

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If you were an angle, you'd be way more than 91 degrees.

>--- Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> wrote:
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> > buildings."--Dan Bern
> >
> > I wonder if that's actually true.
>
>They have never wavered long in the bombing of people.
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I *am* an angel.

I did another one yesterday:  I told somebody I was sending her
something in a vanilla envelope.

I'm so acute.

Ann

On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:

> If you were an angle, you'd be way more than 91 degrees.
>
> >--- Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> wrote:
> > > > > "True reveolutionaries never bomb
> > > buildings."--Dan Bern
> > >
> > > I wonder if that's actually true.
> >
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> >
> >
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> Huh? The facts are clear ... *I*, T Bone in person, made a jackass
> post, saying that people here were not normal as he was "sure of",
> and that their accounts were full of booty-porn.com mails.
>
> Well, that's not at all what I said, but there are people who read
> "slut" and "porn" etc, and their parsing systems simply shut down,
> and they can only sense acutely discomforting words whirling around.
> Somebody like that would easily conclude this is one of them fearful
> communities of perverts. I'd leave if I was such a person.

Aha.  So he put us in the peanut
butter category.

                - D. M.

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02003-09-13 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
>
> Aha.  So he put us in the p*****
> b***** category.

Adios

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Here in the midwest, they mark it up; it's three buck chuck.  I keep a
couple of cases as well.  The better buys, though, are probably the dirt
cheap tuscans and australians that cost 4 or 5 bucks but are generally more
interesting.


>From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 07:08:25 -0700
>
>At 08:51 AM 9/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>> >Wine.  And it's not two buck Chuck.
>>
>> >Betty
>>
>>Good for you -- and I even know about two buck Chuck, thanks to one of
>>JMW's
>>Trader Joe's sightseeing tours ...
>>
>>AS
>
>Two Buck Chuck isn't all that bad. We have a couple of cases in the shed.
>
>Betty

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02003-09-13 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > I don't think he'd get axed that soon since he would not be a pushy,
> > obnoxious leader.  He would be a quietly competent worker, leading
> > through polite suggestions at proper times.
>
> That's not enough to make people like him, though.
>
> > What about BrP?  I think he would last a good while.
>
> I think he'd win.

I'd vote his ass out single-handedly ...

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>
> I did another one yesterday:  I told somebody I was sending her
> something in a vanilla envelope.
>
> I'm so acute.
>
> Ann

It doesn't count for anything unless it is:
     1.  a plain vanilla envelope, or
     2.  a brown vanilla envelope

              - D. M.

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> I *am* an angel.

> I did another one yesterday:  I told somebody I was sending her
> something in a vanilla envelope.

> I'm so acute.

No, just cute.:)


I agree with Marty (gasp!) about Lynne, at least in this case.

Karen
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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> I'd vote his ass out single-handedly ...

You don't get to play, OREOTU.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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All I know is he never brought any valuable gifts, was a devout literalist
with no sense of humor, had an obsession with the dullest of facts, and was
boneheadedly self-assured and self-absorbed.  For a while, it occurred to me
that Karen was spoofing us with a fictional alter ego....

> > Huh? The facts are clear ... *I*, T Bone in person, made a jackass
> > post, saying that people here were not normal as he was "sure of",
> > and that their accounts were full of booty-porn.com mails.

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It might also count if one were mailing extracts, mightn't it?
>It doesn't count for anything unless it is:
>      1.  a plain vanilla envelope, or
>      2.  a brown vanilla envelope
>
>               - D. M.

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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > I'd vote his ass out single-handedly ...
> You don't get to play, OREOTU.

I'd grade this remark at maybe 150 degrees?  Maybe 145.

Ann

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> Do you think it’s a coincidence that right in the middle of your tour, John
> Ashcroft is barnstorming around the country defending the Patriot Act?

I love this question.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> All I know is he never brought any valuable gifts, was a devout literalist
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> boneheadedly self-assured and self-absorbed.  For a while, it occurred to me
> that Karen was spoofing us with a fictional alter ego....

And then you realized I'm not nearly creative enough.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>> On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > I'd vote his ass out single-handedly ...
>> You don't get to play, OREOTU.

> I'd grade this remark at maybe 150 degrees?  Maybe 145.

Maybe 30!

Karen
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Indeed, on this topic, one thought between the two of us is more than
sufficient; we've achieved a true economy of intellectual scale.

From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>
>I agree with Marty (gasp!) about Lynne, at least in this case.
>
>Karen
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Hmmm.  Unemployment is the mother of creativity.  And I never actually
witnessed the two of you posting at precisely the same instant.

>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
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>On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> > All I know is he never brought any valuable gifts, was a devout
>literalist
> > with no sense of humor, had an obsession with the dullest of facts, and
>was
> > boneheadedly self-assured and self-absorbed.  For a while, it occurred
>to me
> > that Karen was spoofing us with a fictional alter ego....
>
>And then you realized I'm not nearly creative enough.
>
>Karen
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Agreed. There is a Valpolicelli cabernet that is very good.  Also, Black
Opal Petite Shiraz.

Betty

At 11:43 AM 9/13/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Here in the midwest, they mark it up; it's three buck chuck.  I keep a
>couple of cases as well.  The better buys, though, are probably the dirt
>cheap tuscans and australians that cost 4 or 5 bucks but are generally more
>interesting.
>
>
>>From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
>>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: Re: Yo, BB!
>>Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 07:08:25 -0700
>>
>>At 08:51 AM 9/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>> >Wine.  And it's not two buck Chuck.
>>>
>>> >Betty
>>>
>>>Good for you -- and I even know about two buck Chuck, thanks to one of
>>>JMW's
>>>Trader Joe's sightseeing tours ...
>>>
>>>AS
>>
>>Two Buck Chuck isn't all that bad. We have a couple of cases in the shed.
>>
>>Betty
>
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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> Hmmm.  Unemployment is the mother of creativity.

Not long-term unemployment. Trust me on this.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Betty wrote:
> Agreed. There is a Valpolicelli cabernet that is very good.  Also, Black
> Opal Petite Shiraz.

I thought it was Valpolicella? I like the Black Opal, too.

Karen
"I need a job so I can buy better wine."--Karen Kay

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Though I agree with Natalie that Bonnie's remark is a well-expressed
justification for doing something she likes to do, the substance of the
original remark isn't compelling.  Nearly any work of theater or literature
is a highly edited and choreographed slice of human interaction.  The
quality of the editing and choreographing is what separates the "quite
interesting" from this voyeuristic scrutiny of former cheerleaders and
beauty queens exposing cleavage, legs, and consistently dull attempts at
"cunning" as they quest for their tainted notion of celebrity.  The survivor
premise is far more interesting than its actual achievement, mostly because
the people who participate are stupid and predictable.  Any episode of Buffy
is better choreographed and edited, and certainly better entertainment, than
an entire season of survivor.

>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
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>Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:54:24 -0500
>
>bonniev wrote:
>
> > If you can accept it for what it is (a highly edited and choreographed
> > slice of human interaction), it's quite interesting.
>
>Well said.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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D'accord!

>From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
>Agreed. There is a Valpolicelli cabernet that is very good.  Also, Black
>Opal Petite Shiraz.
>At 11:43 AM 9/13/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>>Here in the midwest, they mark it up; it's three buck chuck.  I keep a
>>couple of cases as well.  The better buys, though, are probably the dirt
>>cheap tuscans and australians that cost 4 or 5 bucks but are generally
>>more
>>interesting.
>>
>>
>>>From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
>>>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>>Subject: Re: Yo, BB!
>>>Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 07:08:25 -0700
>>>
>>>At 08:51 AM 9/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>>> >Wine.  And it's not two buck Chuck.
>>>>
>>>> >Betty
>>>>
>>>>Good for you -- and I even know about two buck Chuck, thanks to one of
>>>>JMW's
>>>>Trader Joe's sightseeing tours ...
>>>>
>>>>AS
>>>
>>>Two Buck Chuck isn't all that bad. We have a couple of cases in the shed.
>>>
>>>Betty
>>
>>_________________________________________________________________
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Trust you?!?!?  That's a lot to ask.  I think you should start writing a
movie treatment about a geek named I.T. Joad who packs up his family in an
old, overloaded pickup, drives from Silicon Valley to the Rust Belt seeking
work as a computer consultant and finds the sidewalks of Flint, Michigan,
lined with computer vagabonds hooking up to rich folks' wifi hot spots and
working as itinerant tech writers for unscrupulous employers who don't even
give them cubicles.  Possibly it could be called "The Macs of Wrath."


>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 11:01:25 -0500
>
>On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> > Hmmm.  Unemployment is the mother of creativity.
>
>Not long-term unemployment. Trust me on this.
>
>Karen
>"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> Trust you?!?!?  That's a lot to ask.  I think you should start writing a
> movie treatment about a geek named I.T. Joad who packs up his family in an
> old, overloaded pickup, drives from Silicon Valley to the Rust Belt seeking
> work as a computer consultant and finds the sidewalks of Flint, Michigan,
> lined with computer vagabonds hooking up to rich folks' wifi hot spots and
> working as itinerant tech writers for unscrupulous employers who don't even
> give them cubicles.  Possibly it could be called "The Macs of Wrath."

I don't do Macs.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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At 11:32 AM 9/13/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>   Possibly it could be called "The Macs of Wrath."
>
>I don't do Macs.

OK---For Whom the Dell Tolls ?

cwv

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
<something>

I think that I would appreciate it if we don't go down this road.

Karen

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At 11:06 AM 9/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Betty wrote:
> > Agreed. There is a Valpolicelli cabernet that is very good.  Also, Black
> > Opal Petite Shiraz.
>
>I thought it was Valpolicella? I like the Black Opal, too.

It probably is.  I was guessing at the spelling and spell check was no help.

Betty

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Betty wrote:
> At 11:06 AM 9/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Betty wrote:
>> > Agreed. There is a Valpolicelli cabernet that is very good.  Also, Black
>> > Opal Petite Shiraz.
>>
>>I thought it was Valpolicella? I like the Black Opal, too.

> It probably is.  I was guessing at the spelling and spell check was no help.

Well, now I'm curious, because googling didn't help me.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Well, now I'm curious, because googling didn't help me.

Well since Pete doesn't seem to be present at the moment:  I googled on
valpol* and here was one of the first hits:

http://www.rcvr.org/scuole/negrar/media/attivita/valpol/valpol.htm

Ann

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bonniev wrote:

> >Has a city person ever won?  Maybe, I don't know.
>
> If you call Knoxville a city, there was a winner from a city.

I thought various of the winners were from cities, but I can't really
remember who they were or what cities they lived in.  Where was Ethan
from?

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> Somebody like that would easily conclude this is one of them fearful
> communities of perverts. I'd leave if I was such a person.

Has anybody heard from Hiroshi?

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> Well, now I'm curious, because googling didn't help me.

> Well since Pete doesn't seem to be present at the moment:  I googled on
> valpol* and here was one of the first hits:

> http://www.rcvr.org/scuole/negrar/media/attivita/valpol/valpol.htm

I *know* that there's Valpolicella; I drank it in grad school. But I
googled on Valpolicelli and got lots of hits, too, which makes me
curious.

I know Pete Kaminski, and you are no Pete Kaminski.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > What about BrP?  I think he would last a good while.
>
> I think he'd win.

That's a definite possibility.  I think he would be one of the
under-the-radar people for a good many weeks, would move along steadily
doing his share of the work and winning some challenges but not enough
to become feared and disliked.  He would be without enemies at the end
and would come through.

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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

> Well since Pete doesn't seem to be present at the moment:  I googled on
> valpol* and here was one of the first hits:
> http://www.rcvr.org/scuole/negrar/media/attivita/valpol/valpol.htm

This is getting to be too much like Work.  I made an effort to confirm:
indeed, valpolicella gets WAY more hits than valpolicello, but then I
required that both be in the same record, and found several
respectable-seeming hits, among them
http://www.italiancookingandliving.com/wine/wines/amarone.html

But I'm not going to pursue it.  I do Pete at work all day, it's no fun on
the weekends.

Ann

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I would take valpolicelli to be plural.

Ann

On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Karen Kay
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> On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, now I'm curious, because googling didn't help me.
>
> > Well since Pete doesn't seem to be present at the moment:  I googled on
> > valpol* and here was one of the first hits:
>
> > http://www.rcvr.org/scuole/negrar/media/attivita/valpol/valpol.htm
>
> I *know* that there's Valpolicella; I drank it in grad school. But I
> googled on Valpolicelli and got lots of hits, too, which makes me
> curious.
>
> I know Pete Kaminski, and you are no Pete Kaminski.
>
> Karen
> "True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern
>

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On Friday, September 12, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>> > sorry, but that LAUGH ....
>>
>> You don't like my laugh?!

> I don't know, would you stifle it in the tent?

I could. I don't think you'd be that funny.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

> I would take valpolicelli to be plural.

You would be full of shit, Ann

Ann


>
> Ann
>
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Karen Kay
> wrote:
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> > On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > > On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Well, now I'm curious, because googling didn't help me.
> >
> > > Well since Pete doesn't seem to be present at the moment:  I googled on
> > > valpol* and here was one of the first hits:
> >
> > > http://www.rcvr.org/scuole/negrar/media/attivita/valpol/valpol.htm
> >
> > I *know* that there's Valpolicella; I drank it in grad school. But I
> > googled on Valpolicelli and got lots of hits, too, which makes me
> > curious.
> >
> > I know Pete Kaminski, and you are no Pete Kaminski.
> >
> > Karen
> > "True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern
> >
>

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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> > I don't know, would you stifle it in the tent?
>
> I could. I don't think you'd be that funny.

Oh, lord, not just the TWO OF US

- - hey, wait a minute, if it was the two of us, that'd mean . . .  yeah,
sure, I'll go for the jury's vote.

Ann

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What is Montreal Steak?  Steak from cows living in the streets of
Montreal?  I can't remember where I kept seeing that term in grocery
stores when getting stuff for the luncheon.  I wasn't looking at steak
itself.  I think it might have been on jars or something.  I need to go
buy orange juice today.  Maybe I'll check for some other things.  Maybe
I'll go to Kroger and see what's on the salmon labels.

But I need to get those posters from the SCT if I can figure out when
somebody is going to be there.  And I need to take them around town
asking to tape them to windows.  And I need to make lists of other
symposium foods.  (The crispies are now baked and frozen.)

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I agree with Marty (gasp!) about Lynne, at least in this case.

I think I'm missing mail.  What did Marty say about Lynne?

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> That's a definite possibility.  I think he would be one of the
> under-the-radar people for a good many weeks, would move along steadily
> doing his share of the work and winning some challenges but not enough
> to become feared and disliked.  He would be without enemies at the end
> and would come through.

Yep. Very Ethan-like, in many ways. (Though, sad to say, I think Ethan
had a cuter butt.)

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> I would take valpolicelli to be plural.

Me, too, but it's the name of some wines. And presumably they use more
than one grape.:)

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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Betty wrote:
>
> Agreed. There is a Valpolicelli cabernet that is very good.  Also, Black
> Opal Petite Shiraz.

Did I mention that I liked the Fat Bastard?

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> This is getting to be too much like Work.  I made an effort to confirm:
> indeed, valpolicella gets WAY more hits than valpolicello, but then I
> required that both be in the same record, and found several
> respectable-seeming hits, among them
> http://www.italiancookingandliving.com/wine/wines/amarone.html

Okay, and this is the kind of thing that confuses me further:
"History: Amarone is actually one of two subdivisions of the wine
called Valpolicella. Valpolicello comes in two versions: Recioto and
Recioto Amarone."

> But I'm not going to pursue it.  I do Pete at work all day, it's no fun on
> the weekends.

It was your choice.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> I agree with Marty (gasp!) about Lynne, at least in this case.

> I think I'm missing mail.  What did Marty say about Lynne?

If she were an angle, she'd be more than 90 degrees (and less than
180).

Karen
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At 10:06 AM 9/13/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> > > I don't know, would you stifle it in the tent?
> >
> > I could. I don't think you'd be that funny.
>
>Oh, lord, not just the TWO OF US
>
>- - hey, wait a minute, if it was the two of us, that'd mean . . .  yeah,
>sure, I'll go for the jury's vote.
>
>Ann

Decisions, decisions.

Betty

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At 12:11 PM 9/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Betty wrote:
> >
> > Agreed. There is a Valpolicelli cabernet that is very good.  Also, Black
> > Opal Petite Shiraz.
>
>Did I mention that I liked the Fat Bastard?

Is he back from his trip abroad?

Betty

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This is what I saw in the stores:

http://www.mccormick.com/productdetail.cfm?ID=6209

The lettering suggests that Montreal Steak is a <constituent> -- that
it's

Montreal Steak | Seasoning

not

Montreal | Steak Seasoning

So what is Montreal steak?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Hey Karen, look at this (from The Guardian)

2000 Di Notte Valpolicella Classico, Pasqua (£4.99, Tesco). Far more
substantial than most commercial Valpol, this is packed with cherry and
                                ^^^^^^^
plum fruit flavours unencumbered by oak. It is fresh and fragrant, but
there's enough tannin and body here to make it an ideal fireside quaffer.

Ann

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> Hey Karen, look at this (from The Guardian)

> 2000 Di Notte Valpolicella Classico, Pasqua (£4.99, Tesco). Far more
> substantial than most commercial Valpol, this is packed with cherry and
>                                 ^^^^^^^
> plum fruit flavours unencumbered by oak. It is fresh and fragrant, but
> there's enough tannin and body here to make it an ideal fireside quaffer.

You're killing me, Ann. I'm gonna have to go find out now.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>
> You're killing me, Ann. I'm gonna have to go find out now.

Maybe Lucia?  (I don't have her address)

Ann

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Perhaps the change will unleash your latent creativity.

>I don't do Macs.
>
>Karen
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We're just trying to help, bless our hearts.

>I think that I would appreciate it if we don't go down this road.
>
>Karen

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> Perhaps the change will unleash your latent creativity.

Yeah, I'll have a lot of time to think on that street corner.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>
>> You're killing me, Ann. I'm gonna have to go find out now.

> Maybe Lucia?  (I don't have her address)

Good point.

I'm going to try my local sources first.

Karen
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[karen'> I'm going to try my local sources first.

Good.  Here's my hypothesis:

The area is Valpolicella.  That's for certain.  And usually the wine is
called Valpolicella.  If you want to form a plural off that, you can:

" Now more innovative producers are also using barriques, to add wood
tannins and vanilla & spice notes to their Valpolicelle ­ the resulting
wines are good ... "

But "vino" is of course masculine.  So you can think of "valpolicell-" as
an adjective stem and use "valpolicello" or (plural) "valpolicelli" .

Then, of course, anybody can make typos, and foreigners can have their way
with the language, screwing up the googled data.  As for "valpo" or
"valpol," (can't remember which it was in the Guardian) it's just cute
Britspeak or winetasting speak like "zin" for zinfandel.

Anyway I am molto gellosa that you have a local source to ask, although I
will demand to know his or her credentials before accepting his or her
answer (unless of course it confirms mine)

Ann

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Marty Rosen wrote:
>
> Though I agree with Natalie that Bonnie's remark is a well-expressed
> justification for doing something she likes to do, the substance of the
> original remark isn't compelling.  Nearly any work of theater or literature
> is a highly edited and choreographed slice of human interaction.  The
> quality of the editing and choreographing is what separates the "quite
> interesting" from this voyeuristic scrutiny of former cheerleaders and

It's true that the quality of editing and choreographing is what makes
art more <real> than life, or whatever it is that whoever it was said --
was it Sidney in "The Defense of Poesy"?  But it's interesting watching
people playing themselves.

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Betty wrote:

> >Did I mention that I liked the Fat Bastard?
>
> Is he back from his trip abroad?

He came here from California, I think.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> He came here from California, I think.

Apparently he was born in France.  Dumb website:

http://www.fatbastard.com/history.html

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>The survivor
>premise is far more interesting than its actual achievement, mostly because
>the people who participate are stupid and predictable.  Any episode of Buffy
>is better choreographed and edited, and certainly better entertainment, than
>an entire season of survivor.

And this is why it is called a reality program.  People are, in fact,
stupid and predictable.  Some of us would rather stay in the real world
than escape to fiction, fantasy, opera, and music.


bonnie

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Natalie,

Both 'Montreal' and 'Steak' are descriptors for 'seasoning'.  There is
no such <animal> as 'Montreal Steak'.  I don't  believe that there is
any such animal as a 'Roasted Garlic Montreal Chicken' either but there
is a McCormick seasoning for it.

Rita L.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

>This is what I saw in the stores:
>
>http://www.mccormick.com/productdetail.cfm?ID=6209
>
>The lettering suggests that Montreal Steak is a <constituent> -- that
>it's
>
>Montreal Steak | Seasoning
>
>not
>
>Montreal | Steak Seasoning
>
>So what is Montreal steak?
>
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>

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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, bonniev wrote:

> And this is why it is called a reality program.  People are, in fact,
> stupid and predictable.  Some of us would rather stay in the real world
> than escape to fiction, fantasy, opera, and music.

This is an attitude I just don't get.

Ann

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>On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> > Perhaps the change will unleash your latent creativity.
>
>Yeah, I'll have a lot of time to think on that street corner.
>Karen

With the help of wordslers, maybe you will sell your first novel before you
lose the house.


bonnie

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>  bonniev wrote:
> > And this is why it is called a reality program.  People are, in fact,
> > stupid and predictable.  Some of us would rather stay in the real world
> > than escape to fiction, fantasy, opera, and music.
>
>This is an attitude I just don't get.
>Ann

Me either, actually.  On second and third thought, I like to escape reality
by reading fiction.  I seldom read non-fiction, as a matter of fact.  But I
never learned an appreciation of opera or music or dance.


bonnie

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At 01:55 PM 9/13/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>>The survivor
>>premise is far more interesting than its actual achievement, mostly because
>>the people who participate are stupid and predictable.  Any episode of Buffy
>>is better choreographed and edited, and certainly better entertainment, than
>>an entire season of survivor.
>
>And this is why it is called a reality program.  People are, in fact,
>stupid and predictable.  Some of us would rather stay in the real world
>than escape to fiction, fantasy, opera, and music.

Why?

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, bonniev wrote:
>>On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
>> > Perhaps the change will unleash your latent creativity.
>>
>>Yeah, I'll have a lot of time to think on that street corner.
>>Karen

> With the help of wordslers, maybe you will sell your first novel before you
> lose the house.

Only if they write it for me. Being unemployed for two years does NOT
stimulate general creativity.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> The area is Valpolicella.  That's for certain.  And usually the wine is
> called Valpolicella.  If you want to form a plural off that, you can:

> " Now more innovative producers are also using barriques, to add wood
> tannins and vanilla & spice notes to their Valpolicelle ­ the resulting
> wines are good ... "

> But "vino" is of course masculine.  So you can think of "valpolicell-" as
> an adjective stem and use "valpolicello" or (plural) "valpolicelli" .

Nodnodnod.

> Then, of course, anybody can make typos, and foreigners can have their way
> with the language, screwing up the googled data.  As for "valpo" or
> "valpol," (can't remember which it was in the Guardian) it's just cute
> Britspeak or winetasting speak like "zin" for zinfandel.

That was my guess.

> Anyway I am molto gellosa that you have a local source to ask, although I
> will demand to know his or her credentials before accepting his or her
> answer (unless of course it confirms mine)

Well, there's someone I know on a local newsgroup who lived in Italy
for a long time. Or, I could go to my wine store and ask; they are
quite knowledgeable and really into education, but it would be better
if I could actually afford to buy a bottle of wine there.

WLM: Just saw a Survivor commercial.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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http://www.heritage.org/Research/Features/TAXcalculator/

Karen

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Okay, we have the despicable, ugly word foodie to describe people who
like food. What about wine? Do we call them winies? Winos?

Karen

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Rita Leonard wrote:
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> Natalie,
>
> Both 'Montreal' and 'Steak' are descriptors for 'seasoning'.  There is
> no such <animal> as 'Montreal Steak'.  I don't  believe that there is
> any such animal as a 'Roasted Garlic Montreal Chicken' either but there
> is a McCormick seasoning for it.

Weird.  Why Montreal?

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Karen Kay wrote:
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> http://www.heritage.org/Research/Features/TAXcalculator/

I am skeptical of things produced by the Heritage Foundation.

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02003-09-13 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> >> On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> > I'd vote his ass out single-handedly ...
> >> You don't get to play, OREOTU.
>
> > I'd grade this remark at maybe 150 degrees?  Maybe 145.
>
> Maybe 30!

In radians maybe

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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> Okay, we have the despicable, ugly word foodie to describe people who
> like food. What about wine? Do we call them winies? Winos?

I hear 'wine snob' a lot.

Ann

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Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Okay, we have the despicable, ugly word foodie to describe people who
> > like food. What about wine? Do we call them winies? Winos?
>
> I hear 'wine snob' a lot.

People who like wine are not necessarily wine snobs.  I offer myself as
evidence of that fact.  I love wine.  It is definitely my alcoholic
beverage of choice, but I am in no way knowledgeable about it, have no
particular desire to become knowledgeable about it, and am far from
feeling anything related to snobbery when buying it or consuming it.

I've never heard the term foodie.  Does it connote snobbery or refined
tastes?  I.e., is it like being a gourmet?  Seems to me it could just as
easily mean gourmand.

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02003-09-13 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> All I know is he never brought any valuable gifts, was a devout literalist
> with no sense of humor, had an obsession with the dullest of facts, and was
> boneheadedly self-assured and self-absorbed.  For a while, it occurred to me
> that Karen was spoofing us with a fictional alter ego....

Greetings,

I did not realize this at all ... truth be told, I had not been paying
a lot of attention, since (a) I got the vague impression that Borkin
had it all under control, and (b) the best outcome would have been
another wordslur, and how much attention could that warrant? Hence,
I thank you for this brief and vivid description.

I would have thought that people of this type, who used to be endemic
to a broad range of lists and newsgroups about words, grammar, usage,
literature, books, etc (and were often praised by other dullards of
the same type, for their intellect and subtlety) would gravitate to
the most congenial niche that ever opened up for them in the late 90s:
blogs. It's a mystery to me how and why stupefying bores still occur
on social lists and newsgroups.

PS: the title of this thread is by now grossly inappropriate--I am
tempted to scribble a subtly humorous writeup about it.

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02003-09-13 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> > Hmmm.  Unemployment is the mother of creativity.
>
> Not long-term unemployment. Trust me on this.

Aunt?

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> Okay, we have the despicable, ugly word foodie to describe people who
>> like food. What about wine? Do we call them winies? Winos?

> I hear 'wine snob' a lot.

But you can be a wine snob without liking or knowing a lot about wine.
Not so a foodie.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-09-13 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
>> > Hmmm.  Unemployment is the mother of creativity.
>>
>> Not long-term unemployment. Trust me on this.

> Aunt?

Serial killer?

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>> Okay, we have the despicable, ugly word foodie to describe people who
>>> like food. What about wine? Do we call them winies? Winos?

>> I hear 'wine snob' a lot.

> But you can be a wine snob without liking or knowing a lot about wine.
             ^'t

> Not so a foodie.

> Karen
> "True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern



Karen
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02003-09-13 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Though I agree with Natalie that Bonnie's remark is a well-expressed
> justification for doing something she likes to do, the substance of the
> original remark isn't compelling.  Nearly any work of theater or literature
> is a highly edited and choreographed slice of human interaction.

And Survivor gets its raw material from people least talented at
theater and literature.

Hence, it is infallibly found "interesting" or "funny" (both rather
stale hedge words), by old educated people. If it were completely
fictional, of course, it would be rejected as banal.

One way to understand it is to consider how very bad prose is made
acceptable--most daringly by simply calling it poetry, more often
by breaking lines at ungrammatical points and then calling it poetry,
and more successfully, by additionally calling it sincere and
confessional.

To bring up a more suggestive parallel: assume that old educated
people have occasion to eat at a rather average restaurant of
<ethnicity>. They would reject the unimpressive food. However, if
it were served on, say, a wooden platform (to make up an example),
they would enthusiastically endorse it. This is not a fiction--it
is a fact daily exploited in the restaurant industry.

I refer, of course, to the ubiquitous concept of "authenticity". To
snare the liberally educated old fart, there is no better bait than
"authenticity"--by which one means a gross, hectoring, untrue simulation
of authenticity. If you combine it with low quality, as the best in
the game do, it becomes absolutely unbeatable.

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02003-09-13 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, bonniev wrote:
>
> > And this is why it is called a reality program.  People are, in fact,
> > stupid and predictable.  Some of us would rather stay in the real world
> > than escape to fiction, fantasy, opera, and music.
>
> This is an attitude I just don't get.

It is an attitude rooted in a person's biological makeup. Imagine that
you are at a table in a bar, with a large group. Suppose you take a
sip of the drink on front of you, and close your eyes in order to taste
it. Chances are that some social busybody will be terrified that you are
falling asleep or passing out. Variations on this are easy to find. Such
people cannot shut their eyes or mouths except when falling asleep; ergo,
they know of no such stage as "escaping to fiction".

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02003-09-13 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-09-13 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> >> > Hmmm.  Unemployment is the mother of creativity.
> >>
> >> Not long-term unemployment. Trust me on this.
>
> > Aunt?
>
> Serial killer?

Actually, that strikes me as a very creative epigram!

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02003-09-13 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Okay, we have the despicable, ugly word foodie to describe people who
> like food.

That's a pretty complacent word: "like". It's akin to saying that
nerds who can quote every wanky chapter and verse from the manuals
are "people who like programming".

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02003-09-13 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> > But you can be a wine snob without liking or knowing a lot about wine.
>              ^'t
> > Not so a foodie.

At this point, I would like to put forward the concept of a "wordie".

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Actually, I suspect it's called a reality program in order to place it in a
clear marketing niche so that stupid consumers will easily find their way to
it.  It's predictable and stupid to imply that it has anything to do with
the "real world," when it fact it's a poorly choreographed and edited work
of fiction with the novel element that it uses amateur performers and and an
extraordinarily thin "plot."

More importantly, though some, perhaps most, people are stupid and
predictable, the same cannot be said of all people.  If survivor panders to
your low expectations and feeble aspirations, by all means wallow in the
sweaty bodies and delude into thinking that it's artistic proof that the
world is as dismal as you think it.  And by all means, feel free to explain
your indulgence by making content-free observations that it's an edited,
choreographed representation of something, and is therefore "interesting."

Even words-l, which is certainly rife with stupidity and predictability, at
least stimulates a bit of thought from time to time.

>From: bonniev <bonniev@GWI.NET>
>
>And this is why it is called a reality program.  People are, in fact,
>stupid and predictable.  Some of us would rather stay in the real world
>than escape to fiction, fantasy, opera, and music.
>
>
>bonnie

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There are people who actually do prefer to stay in the real world rather
than "escape" into art, though this is clearly a false dichotomy.  Ralph
Nader, from what I hear, is sincerely in this camp.  Bonnie's simply
advancing a desperate (and one hopes, ironic) excuse.  There is clearly no
relationship between the "real world" and survivor.  Don Giovanni and
survivor are both art forms.  One is masterful evidence of the best work
humans can do.  The other is pap for dullards.


>From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET>
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>On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, bonniev wrote:
>
> > And this is why it is called a reality program.  People are, in fact,
> > stupid and predictable.  Some of us would rather stay in the real world
> > than escape to fiction, fantasy, opera, and music.
>
>This is an attitude I just don't get.
>
>Ann

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I don'[t think there's a general theory of creativity.

>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>
>>Only if they write it for me. Being unemployed for two years does NOT
>stimulate general creativity.
>
>Karen
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02003-09-13 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> First the link, then the full, enedited text of the official interview (see
> my previous post for the portion about Adam).

WHAT A DORK!

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02003-09-13 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> I don'[t think there's a general theory of creativity.

However, there is a grand unified one.

> >From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> >
> >>Only if they write it for me. Being unemployed for two years does NOT
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> >
> >Karen
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Do you have all his albums?

>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>

>WHAT A DORK!

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Betty wrote:


> You rule, Rita.  I'm sorry that I did not get or take the time to chat with
> you more in Maine.  I really wish that we could have been able to come out
> to your campground but we had a *very* early flight in the morning out of
> Portland.  I envied Clo going.  I did spend a lot of time watching your
> daughter. She is gorgeous.  I really enjoyed just watching the interaction
> between her and all the Wild children.  They were all just incredible.  If
> only all children were loved as much. . .sorry, getting maudlin.  Where is
> Brad?


        You're too kind, Betty.  Perhaps we'll get the chance this
coming 'Fest.  I might even get to have a drink or so with
ya if I'm not in full-time mom mode.

        Kevin and I were talking last night and trying to figure out
who Ana looks like.  She has my eyes and his chin, but
that's about it.  She definitely has our energy level :).

        Right now I'm tired and sore.  I managed to drag my fat ass
out to riding lessons with Ana in spite of my Back-to-School
cold (damn kids and their cooties), and the instructor
decided it was time I did some jumping again.  I'm just
happy I didn't fall off (it was an itty bitty jump).


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I have recently heard more than one person cite "studies" which purportedly
show that over the course of a lifetime a U.S. citizen will change "not just
jobs, but careers" as many as eight times.  I was curious about these
"studies."  A google search brought me to the U.S. Bureau of Labor
Statistics, which has a nifty essay on why they've never studied this
question (because there's no agreement on what it means to "change careers);
I also found a number of university web pages using these "studies" to argue
in favor of a "liberal education"; and I found these "studies" mentioned in
promotional materials related to books and career counselling agencies.

Thus far, however, I haven't found a single instance in which an actual
"study" was cited in a way that permit one to verify the accuracy of the
assertion.  I'm a bit troubled to see this on university web pages, because
I'm beginning to think it's either completely untrue or, at best, it's based
on shoddy research (along the lines:  I know four people who started out in
fast food, got a job at a movie theater, then worked in construction, then
joined the army, then went to college and got a job at a record store, then
got a job as a teacher, and then became an assistant principal, q.e.d.).

Does anyone know of any actual evidence related to this frequently invoked
"fact" about career changes in the U.S.?

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I have recently heard more than one person cite "studies" which purportedly
show that over the course of a lifetime a U.S. citizen will change "not just
jobs, but careers" as many as eight times.  I was curious about these
"studies."  A google search brought me to the U.S. Bureau of Labor
Statistics, which has a nifty essay on why they've never studied this
question (because there's no agreement on what it means to "change careers);
I also found a number of university web pages using these "studies" to argue
in favor of a "liberal education"; and I found these "studies" mentioned in
promotional materials related to books and career counselling agencies.

Thus far, however, I haven't found a single instance in which an actual
"study" was cited in a way that permit one to verify the accuracy of the
assertion.  I'm a bit troubled to see this on university web pages, because
I'm beginning to think it's either completely untrue or, at best, it's based
on shoddy research (along the lines:  I know four people who started out in
fast food, got a job at a movie theater, then worked in construction, then
joined the army, then went to college and got a job at a record store, then
got a job as a teacher, and then became an assistant principal, q.e.d.).

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02003-09-13 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Do you have all his albums?

Is that what "the full Brodsky" means? In that case, no.

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> Well, that's not at all what I said, but there are
> people who read
> "slut" and "porn" etc, and their parsing systems
> simply shut down,
> and they can only sense acutely discomforting words
> whirling around.
> Somebody like that would easily conclude this is one
> of them fearful
> communities of perverts. I'd leave if I was such a
person.

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In a message dated 9/13/2003 11:25:46 AM, meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

>>I don't do Macs
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You don't know what you're missing.....
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I have dreaded moving so much that I have not been able to make any
preparation (certainly no packing!) other than scheduling a date with
Gouffon and also asking Donna (my multi-talented parking lot attendant
friend who used to be a professional mover) to help me today and next Sat.
She lined up help from Jimmy, a nice muscled dude and they showed up this
morning. By shortly after 2 p.m., we had moved almost all my paintings,
posters, etc. - and a few pieces of furniture. They will help me next
Sat. both with moving to the condo and with making some changes in my UT
office (like subtract one desk and add a 9' * 12' carpet).

This transition is going to be fun - and funny. When we arrived this
morning, "Opal" was waiting to see the new tenant (apparently, everyone
was told that I would start my move today). She is a very talkative little
old lady (80s?) with too much time on her hands - almost the first thing
she said was, "We heard you were rich!" I assured her that that was not
true.

AND - a monthly meeting of the association will be held in the lobby of my
bldg. at 6 p.m. on 9/22 - the day I move almost everything. We will be
electing new board members!

I also found out why UT owned some of the condos until recently. A number
of years ago, it became difficult to sell the units, so one prof. gave his
to UT in order to get the tax deduction. That apparently went on for a
while - but has stopped. UT no longer owns any units.

I continue ...

Bethany

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02003-09-13 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> Gouffon and also asking Donna (my multi-talented parking lot attendant
> friend who used to be a professional mover)

What were her other six careers?

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02003-09-13 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> (Sound of foot tapping.)

We consider dancing immoral. Please leave ...

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In a message dated 9/13/2003 1:15:19 PM, aborkin@RAHUL.NET writes:

>I hear 'wine snob' a lot.
>
>Ann
>
I'd keep it a little hidden if I were you.
Theo

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Theo Groothof wrote:
> In a message dated 9/13/2003 11:25:46 AM, meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

>>>I don't do Macs
> -----------------
> You don't know what you're missing.....

I didn't realize you were so PC literate that you could compare?

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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Natalie:
>Mississippi (as a whole -- not Starkville) is a
>hotbed of bushy thinking.

Not today.  I think every Starkpatchian
except you is partying in the Quarter.

--
the color of the day is maroon

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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> And Larry Hovis, who played Carter on Hogan's Heroes.  Most of the

Dammit!  Andrew, we barely knew ye.

> time Carter was a sweet, bumbling character,

Right.  In the opening sequence, pouring the
fluid from the test tube into the beaker, and
then the oh-no! look.

> play a Nazi, he was clever and sadistic.

General Karterhoff!

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Karen, on John Ritter:
> "The most recognizable face on TV."

goddammit, he sure was good in Sling Blade.

(sniff)

But Three's Company sucked out loud.

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At 04:52 PM 9/13/2003 -0400, Marty Rosen wrote:
>Does anyone know of any actual evidence related to this frequently invoked
>"fact" about career changes in the U.S.?

First of all, I'm still trying to figure out why I received this post
twice.  But anyhow.

My guess is that nobody can come up with factual evidence.  Part of it, of
course, is differentiating the the definitions of "job" vs.
"career."  Leaving aside the various things I did to raise money during my
somewhat random walk through academe, it remains that once having acquired
gainful employment beyond my last degree, my job situation or career path
or whatever changed several times---all within the confines of the same,
relatively small, bureaucracy.  I was hired as a fishery biologist, then
moved up to some sort of senior scientist, then to a program manager, then
to a staff position in the corporate environmental area.  Was each of these
a career change?  Certainly, the transition from a practicing scientist to
being a manager (budgets, people, associated nonsense) was a real
change.  Then moving out (some would say down) from the exalted ranks of
management to a staff postion was another transition.

All of this is perhaps simply a verbose way of saying that the people who
espouse the dubious statistic that you quoted are really talking about job
changes and that as with much else in our language, the terms "job change"
and "career change" have been mushed together into something that has
damned little meaning.

cwv

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        I've always heard three times, but I have no idea.  Two or
three sounds possible to me.  I'm on my third.

Marty Rosen wrote:

> I have recently heard more than one person cite "studies" which purportedly
> show that over the course of a lifetime a U.S. citizen will change "not
> just
> jobs, but careers" as many as eight times.  I was curious about these
> "studies."  A google search brought me to the U.S. Bureau of Labor
> Statistics, which has a nifty essay on why they've never studied this
> question (because there's no agreement on what it means to "change
> careers);
> I also found a number of university web pages using these "studies" to
> argue
> in favor of a "liberal education"; and I found these "studies" mentioned in
> promotional materials related to books and career counselling agencies.
>
> Thus far, however, I haven't found a single instance in which an actual
> "study" was cited in a way that permit one to verify the accuracy of the
> assertion.  I'm a bit troubled to see this on university web pages, because
> I'm beginning to think it's either completely untrue or, at best, it's
> based
> on shoddy research (along the lines:  I know four people who started out in
> fast food, got a job at a movie theater, then worked in construction, then
> joined the army, then went to college and got a job at a record store, then
> got a job as a teacher, and then became an assistant principal, q.e.d.).
>
> Does anyone know of any actual evidence related to this frequently invoked
> "fact" about career changes in the U.S.?
>
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> The lettering suggests that Montreal Steak is a
> <constituent> -- that
> it's
>
> Montreal Steak | Seasoning
>
> not
>
> Montreal | Steak Seasoning
>
> So what is Montreal steak?


Everything would point to the fact that it is a
seasoning only.  What were you looking at when you saw
it.

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Natalie:
> So what is Montreal steak?

For the love of G[g]od, I hope it's nothing
like "viande fume".

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I looked at the smoked salmon in Kroger when I was there to hang a
community theatre poster.  The packages aren't hanging on hooks.
They're plopped in bin-type things.  But they probably could be hanging
on hooks.  The packages for the "original," which is what we used, are
blue and gold.  There's also "cracked pepper," as opposed to
"original."  Those packages are red and gold.  The packages say
"Alderwood Smoked Salmon" and have an address in Washington (state).
The weight of one of the chunks is 4 oz.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> I would have thought that people of this type, who used to be endemic
> to a broad range of lists and newsgroups about words, grammar, usage,
> literature, books, etc (and were often praised by other dullards of
> the same type, for their intellect and subtlety) would gravitate to
> the most congenial niche that ever opened up for them in the late 90s:
> blogs. It's a mystery to me how and why stupefying bores still occur
> on social lists and newsgroups.

I didn't notice these bad things about him.  Maybe I wasn't paying
attention since I was dealing with too many distractions.  I thought he
sounded like an ok person.  All I remember is that he and his wife are
both nurses, they have grown or almost-grown children, they have a bunch
of animals, they live in Slidell, and he wondered what Earth would weigh
on Jupiter.

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02003-09-13 | Theo Groothof <Dutchessg1@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 9/13/2003 1:15:19 PM, aborkin@RAHUL.NET writes:
>
> >I hear 'wine snob' a lot.
> >
> >Ann
>
> I'd keep it a little hidden if I were you.
> Theo

Americans!

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In a message dated 9/13/2003 4:44:17 PM Central Daylight Time,
rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU writes:
<<
goddammit, he sure was good in Sling Blade.

>>

Billy Bob wrote that role just for him, BBT said.

Evelyn Duncan
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I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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Marty Rosen wrote:
>
> Actually, I suspect it's called a reality program in order to place it in a
> clear marketing niche so that stupid consumers will easily find their way to
> it.

I had thought that label appeared after Survivor -- or rather after the
first one was underway.  (I don't know anything about the other
so-called "reality programs" except that what I've heard people say
about them does not entice me to them.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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02003-09-13 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > I would have thought that people of this type, who used to be endemic
> > to a broad range of lists and newsgroups about words, grammar, usage,
> > literature, books, etc (and were often praised by other dullards of
> > the same type, for their intellect and subtlety) would gravitate to
> > the most congenial niche that ever opened up for them in the late 90s:
> > blogs. It's a mystery to me how and why stupefying bores still occur
> > on social lists and newsgroups.
>
> I didn't notice these bad things about him.  Maybe I wasn't paying
> attention since I was dealing with too many distractions.  I thought he
> sounded like an ok person.  All I remember is that he and his wife are
> both nurses, they have grown or almost-grown children, they have a bunch
> of animals, they live in Slidell, and he wondered what Earth would weigh
> on Jupiter.

#1: Pay attention in future.

#2: I agree with you, more or less. He sounded fine, even humorful.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         You're too kind, Betty.  Perhaps we'll get the chance this
> coming 'Fest.

When is Rashmi going to <SPEAK>?

> decided it was time I did some jumping again.  I'm just
> happy I didn't fall off (it was an itty bitty jump).

Remember when I taped "Marnie" a while back?  We discussed it here.  I
finally got around to watching it not long ago and liked it ok except I
*DID NOT* like the horse-injury scene.  It's like that dog that was
floating down the river in whatever movie it was (but it turned out ok
-- he survived).  Or like the horrible part of "My Dog Skip."  Etc.

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02003-09-13 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Marty Rosen wrote:
> >
> > Actually, I suspect it's called a reality program in order to place it
> > in a clear marketing niche so that stupid consumers will easily find
> > their way to it.
>
> I had thought that label appeared after Survivor -- or rather after the
> first one was underway.  (I don't know anything about the other
> so-called "reality programs" except that what I've heard people say
> about them does not entice me to them.)

I disagree ... I believe there were shows on MTV which came before
that, which were "reality" shows.

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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > > "True reveolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern
> I wonder if that's actually true.

Geo. Washington did some pretty hairy things,
if I remember my history correctly.

And, J. Davis, though he lost his war, invaded
the United States (at least) twice, and I think
some bad shit mighta happened then.

If these chaps don't meet the definition of
"revolutionary", I need a new dictionary.

Kenn?  mem?  Got an extra?

Of course, Karen is using Bern's "revolutionary"
like she uses "orphan".

--
leapin' lizards!

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Karen:
> I don't do Macs.

Uh...  Why not?

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hominy cricket wrote:
> >Mississippi (as a whole -- not Starkville) is a
> >hotbed of bushy thinking.
>
> Not today.  I think every Starkpatchian
> except you is partying in the Quarter.

Hmm.  I know only one couple who went to the game (ie, who went down
that way and will go to the game tonight), and that was because somebody
had given them free tickets and because they're from NO and have a
daughter living in Hammond and decided they might as well go.  They're
not likely in the Quarter today.  They were going to visit their
daughter in Hammond and then go to the game tonight and then go back and
spend the night in Hammond.  I do know another couple who are in NO this
weekend, but it has nothing to do with football (they follow pro
football but not college football).  They went because they go fairly
often since they're both from there and since they own a house there.
They do sometimes go to the Quarter for one reason or another, but I
somehow doubt that they're partying there today -- and they would not
likely be identifiable as Starkpatchians even if they were.

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> nerds who can quote every wanky chapter and verse
> from the manuals are "people who like programming".

9.1) An interface declaration specifies a new
named reference type:


---
Gosling, Joy, Steele, and Bracha

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> My guess is that nobody can come up with factual evidence.  Part of it, of

That was my thought also when Nipper mentioned it.  What are career
changes?  Is it a bigger change for Clyde to have changed from fishery
biologist to administrator within the same organization or for somebody
to make a smaller change in actual work while moving to a different
place to a position with a different name?  And, as Clyde mentioned,
there's the question of whether you count somebody's change from
stocking shelves in Walmart while in college to working as an engineer
after graduating.  Etc. etc.

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         I've always heard three times, but I have no idea.  Two or
> three sounds possible to me.  I'm on my third.

I don't know how many careers I've had.  Maybe just one.  Does teaching
swimming and water-skiing count?  And if so, do those count as two, or
are they considered one because they both involve water?  What about
teaching high school and teaching college?  One career or two?

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Natalie:
> Hmm.  I know only one couple who went to the game

True, a lot of the folks I was rubbing
elbows with were <busy signals>, so you
wouldn't know them, but there were a lot
of _adults_ as well.

In any case, everbody was having a good
time, and that's what we're here for.

Go WaveDawgs!

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> Everything would point to the fact that it is a
> seasoning only.  What were you looking at when you saw
> it.

After googling for it and seeing the spice bottle, I realized that I had
been looking at spices when I saw it.  And now I remember that it wasn't
for the luncheon foods -- it was that fruit salad I made for
ChiggerFest.  I had been looking for orange rind.

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, hominy cricket wrote:
> Of course, Karen is using Bern's "revolutionary"
> like she uses "orphan".

Huh? I use 'orphan' as a self-descriptor. Not revolutionary.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, hominy cricket wrote:
> Karen:
>> I don't do Macs.

> Uh...  Why not?

Can't afford 'em. Don't like buying "computers".

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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> Huh? I use 'orphan' as a self-descriptor.

Yep.

And my mother's a single mom with
five kids.

SHE'S A HERO!!!!!!!!!

jeez, never mind, there's a football
game and partying to catch up with.

bye

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On 13 Sep 2003 at 17:08, Tushar Samant wrote:

> I disagree ... I believe there were shows on MTV which came before
> that, which were "reality" shows.

And before that. Heck, American Bandstand was a reality show.

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Evelyn:
> Billy Bob wrote that role just for him, BBT said.

Huh.

I once tried to cut my hair so I'd look
like Johnny Unitas, but it ended up like
John Ritter's 'do in Sling Blade.

And I looked and figured, well shit, he
was cool too.

True story.

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> And my mother's a single mom with
> five kids.
>
> SHE'S A HERO!!!!!!!!!
>
> jeez, never mind, there's a football
> game and partying to catch up with.
>
> bye
>
>

Oh-oh.  He said bye.  That could mean
any of a number of things.

           - D. M.

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PS:  The package also said "Salmolux."

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > I had thought that label appeared after Survivor -- or rather after the
> > first one was underway.  (I don't know anything about the other
> > so-called "reality programs" except that what I've heard people say
> > about them does not entice me to them.)
>
> I disagree ... I believe there were shows on MTV which came before
> that, which were "reality" shows.

How can you disagree with "I had thought"?  Are you contending that I
did not think that?

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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>02003-09-13 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
>> Gouffon and also asking Donna (my multi-talented parking lot attendant
>> friend who used to be a professional mover)
>
>What were her other six careers?

Six of her other careers were wife, mother, professional packer (as in
for large moving company), and  um I forget.

Bethany

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hominy cricket wrote:

> True, a lot of the folks I was rubbing
> elbows with were <busy signals>, so you
> wouldn't know them, but there were a lot
> of _adults_ as well.

I would guess that most of those _adults_ are alums -- from various
places, most which places aren't Starkville.

> In any case, everbody was having a good
> time, and that's what we're here for.

Indeed.  A sports column in today's Clarion-Ledger was about how fans of
the various Mississippi universities shouldn't be feeling as bad as they
are right now about the horrible beginning of the season -- that there
were silver linings.  He named those silver linings (I don't think he
used that term) for each school and mentioned ours as something like the
excuse to get drunk in the French Quarter.

> Go WaveDawgs!

How long ago was it that Tulane left the SEC?

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:
>
> On 13 Sep 2003 at 17:08, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > I disagree ... I believe there were shows on MTV which came before
> > that, which were "reality" shows.
>
> And before that. Heck, American Bandstand was a reality show.

Of course it was.  But I was talking about the use of that label.  I
don't remember ever hearing anybody refer to ABS as a "reality show."
Nor do I remember that term for my <tv career> -- things like "Teen
Tempos," Jackson's local ABS, or playing the piano on tv for whatever
local reality thing was happening.

The term "reality show" may well have existed before Survivor, though.
All I know about MTV is that it is said to be a combination of pop music
and pictures.
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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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02003-09-13 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > > I had thought that label appeared after Survivor -- or rather after the
> > > first one was underway.  (I don't know anything about the other
> > > so-called "reality programs" except that what I've heard people say
> > > about them does not entice me to them.)
> >
> > I disagree ... I believe there were shows on MTV which came before
> > that, which were "reality" shows.
>
> How can you disagree with "I had thought"?
                           ^ what

I have my rights.

> Are you contending that I did not think that?

Here, I am of two minds. Perhaps I should go ahead and contend it.

The issue is discussed briefly in "Articulating Reasons: An
introduction to inferentialism", a short non-technical book by
Robert B Brandom that touches upon a few of the core themes of
his "Making It Explicit".

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > How can you disagree with "I had thought"?
>                            ^ what
>
> I have my rights.

You do not have the right to add a word to what I said above.

But now I need to go cook orange roughy.  I ate leftover cream cheese
for lunch and would really rather be eating something like that tonight,
but I thawed a piece of orange roughy and thus must make myself go stick
it in the toaster oven.  In the future maybe I'll just buy smoked
salmon.  No cooking involved.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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02003-09-13 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > > How can you disagree with "I had thought"?
> >                            ^ what
> >
> > I have my rights.
>
> You do     have the right to add a word to what I said above.

Thank you, Dr Maynor!

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> I thought various of the winners were from cities, but I can't really
> remember who they were or what cities they lived in.  Where was Ethan
> from?

If I remember correctly, he worked in NYC.

Marie

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You probably wouldn't consider these things bad.  But this is a fine Eulogy
for one we hardly knew.  If only he'd brought valuable gifts....


>I didn't notice these bad things about him.  Maybe I wasn't paying
>attention since I was dealing with too many distractions.  I thought he
>sounded like an ok person.  All I remember is that he and his wife are
>both nurses, they have grown or almost-grown children, they have a bunch
>of animals, they live in Slidell, and he wondered what Earth would weigh
>on Jupiter.
>
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This was a good summary of the problem with counting "career changes."  Part
of the issue, though, is that the usual trope goes something like:  "The
average worker changes not only jobs but careers x number of times."  So the
writer/speaker is consciously making an assertion about careers; it's not
some sloppy conflation of ideas.

The point of the assertion is frequently to tout the value of a liberal
education.  I could rephrase it like this:  "A liberal education doesn't
prepare you for _a_ job; it prepares you for a lifetime of jobs."  Or, more
cynically, "Get a liberal education and earn a lifetime of employment
insecurity..."

In addition to being irritated about universities making unsubstantiated
claims, I'm interested in the use of this stat in support of a liberal
education. Even if it's wrong, as I suspect, it's still a thin argument.

Here are a few variations on the theme.  ulm goes one further, asserting
that the stat applies to college graduates, rather than everyone.

http://www.cofc.edu/~career/majorstocareers.html
http://www.nau.edu/~service/studentinfo/humanities.html
http://www.umass.edu/umassmag/archives/1998/winter_98/wint98_bol_nurs.html
http://www.ulm.edu/sociology/socmajor.html
http://www.aaup.org/publications/Academe/02nd/02ndFTGS.HTM
http://www.parkland.cc.il.us/ss/counseling/adult.html


>From: "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@GWI.NET>


>My guess is that nobody can come up with factual evidence.  Part of it, of
>course, is differentiating the the definitions of "job" vs.
>"career."  Leaving aside the various things I did to raise money

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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 11:01:25 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
>> Hmmm.  Unemployment is the mother of creativity.
>
>Not long-term unemployment. Trust me on this.
>
>Karen
>"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

As I used to say in the bad old days, "necessity is a mother ******"
clo

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> The lettering suggests that Montreal Steak is a <constituent> -- that
> it's
>
> Montreal Steak | Seasoning
>
> not
>
> Montreal | Steak Seasoning
>
> So what is Montreal steak?

I have the same question. However, I have a giant tub of the seasoning, and
used it tonight to encrust the eye round roast I cooked. Yum!

--Adam
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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 12:11:47 -0400, Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
wrote:

>Though I agree with Natalie that Bonnie's remark is a well-expressed
>justification for doing something she likes to do, the substance of the
>original remark isn't compelling.  Nearly any work of theater or literature
>is a highly edited and choreographed slice of human interaction.  The
>quality of the editing and choreographing is what separates the "quite
>interesting" from this voyeuristic scrutiny of former cheerleaders and
>beauty queens exposing cleavage, legs, and consistently dull attempts at
>"cunning" as they quest for their tainted notion of celebrity.  The survivor
>premise is far more interesting than its actual achievement, mostly because
>the people who participate are stupid and predictable.  Any episode of Buffy
>is better choreographed and edited, and certainly better entertainment, than
>an entire season of survivor.

It's now my turn to be downcast by the thought of agreement with Marty.
clo

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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 15:05:21 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:

>02003-09-13 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
>> Though I agree with Natalie that Bonnie's remark is a well-expressed
>> justification for doing something she likes to do, the substance of the
>> original remark isn't compelling.  Nearly any work of theater or literature
>> is a highly edited and choreographed slice of human interaction.
>
>And Survivor gets its raw material from people least talented at
>theater and literature.
>
>Hence, it is infallibly found "interesting" or "funny" (both rather
>stale hedge words), by old educated people. If it were completely
>fictional, of course, it would be rejected as banal.
>
>One way to understand it is to consider how very bad prose is made
>acceptable--most daringly by simply calling it poetry, more often
>by breaking lines at ungrammatical points and then calling it poetry,
>and more successfully, by additionally calling it sincere and
>confessional.
>
>To bring up a more suggestive parallel: assume that old educated
>people have occasion to eat at a rather average restaurant of
><ethnicity>. They would reject the unimpressive food. However, if
>it were served on, say, a wooden platform (to make up an example),
>they would enthusiastically endorse it. This is not a fiction--it
>is a fact daily exploited in the restaurant industry.
>
>I refer, of course, to the ubiquitous concept of "authenticity". To
>snare the liberally educated old fart, there is no better bait than
>"authenticity"--by which one means a gross, hectoring, untrue simulation
>of authenticity. If you combine it with low quality, as the best in
>the game do, it becomes absolutely unbeatable.

Phew. I hope I never write anything that you feel worthy of comment on.
clo

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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 16:36:23 -0400, Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
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>I don'[t think there's a general theory of creativity.
>
>>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>>
>>>Only if they write it for me. Being unemployed for two years does NOT
>>stimulate general creativity.
>>

$= (2C)*(C)

clo

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        You're too kind, Betty.  Perhaps we'll get the chance this
>>coming 'Fest.
>>
>
> When is Rashmi going to <SPEAK>?



        In her own sweet time, of course.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 16:46:02 -0500, Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> wrote:

>        I've always heard three times, but I have no idea.  Two or
>three sounds possible to me.  I'm on my third.
>

You're young yet.

Actually I remember when this claim about 8 job changes came out... it was
right about the time my brother in law took a job transfer to England to
avoid a round of cuts at Big Blue.

The way it was reported at the time was that, whereas in the (some era, say
pre-WWII) a single career was the norm, since the (perhaps mid sixties) it
had been three and *now* since the invention of the PC it was expected that
8 would be the norm for the group then entering the world of employment.
OR so. But you're absolutely right, I can't remember any hard cites. Just
"experts say".

clo

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 16:36:23 -0400, Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
> wrote:

>>I don'[t think there's a general theory of creativity.
>>
>>>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>>>
>>>>Only if they write it for me. Being unemployed for two years does NOT
>>>stimulate general creativity.
>>>

> $= (2C)*(C)

LOL. Yes, that comes close!

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 17:24:40 -0500, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

>Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>         I've always heard three times, but I have no idea.  Two or
>> three sounds possible to me.  I'm on my third.
>
>I don't know how many careers I've had.

ahem.
wrong generation, Natalie - you started to work in the 1-2 range.

Me:
child care worker; waitress; factory worker; sales clerk; interpreter;
secretary; higher ed administration - let's hope not too many more ahead in
the next 20 yrs!
clo

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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 17:29:52 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>On Saturday, September 13, 2003, hominy cricket wrote:
>> Karen:
>>> I don't do Macs.
>
>> Uh...  Why not?
>
>Can't afford 'em. Don't like buying "computers".
>

*blank look*
Ohhh, computers!
clo

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 17:29:52 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>>On Saturday, September 13, 2003, hominy cricket wrote:
>>> Karen:
>>>> I don't do Macs.
>>
>>> Uh...  Why not?
>>
>>Can't afford 'em. Don't like buying "computers".
>>

> *blank look*
> Ohhh, computers!

LOL. What were you thinking???? Raincoats?

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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Marty Rosen wrote:
>
> You probably wouldn't consider these things bad.  But this is a fine Eulogy
> for one we hardly knew.  If only he'd brought valuable gifts....

Not all gift-bearers present their gifts the minute they walk through
the door.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Me:
> child care worker; waitress; factory worker; sales clerk; interpreter;
> secretary; higher ed administration - let's hope not too many more ahead in
> the next 20 yrs!

Were these all really careers?

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 19:50:41 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 17:29:52 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
>
>>>On Saturday, September 13, 2003, hominy cricket wrote:
>>>> Karen:
>>>>> I don't do Macs.
>>>
>>>> Uh...  Why not?
>>>
>>>Can't afford 'em. Don't like buying "computers".
>>>
>
>> *blank look*
>> Ohhh, computers!
>
>LOL. What were you thinking???? Raincoats?

I was misled by "do".
clo

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Actually I remember when this claim about 8 job changes came out... it was
> right about the time my brother in law took a job transfer to England to
> avoid a round of cuts at Big Blue.

> The way it was reported at the time was that, whereas in the (some era, say
> pre-WWII) a single career was the norm, since the (perhaps mid sixties) it
> had been three and *now* since the invention of the PC it was expected that
> 8 would be the norm for the group then entering the world of employment.
> OR so. But you're absolutely right, I can't remember any hard cites. Just
> "experts say".

My impression was always that this was for younger people. But I've
already had 4 careers:
        ESL instructor
        Japanese professor
        Japanese technical translator
        technical writer

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> The point of the assertion is frequently to tout the value of a liberal
> education.

But a good engineering education should enable one to be as flexible.

> I could rephrase it like this: "A liberal education doesn't prepare
> you for _a_ job; it prepares you for a lifetime of jobs." Or, more
> cynically, "Get a liberal education and earn a lifetime of
> employment insecurity..."

I'm not quite sure what world you are living in, Marty. In my world, I
don't see any correlation between education and employment insecurity.
Or maybe a negative correlation--all the people I know who only have a
high school education haven't been laid off.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 19:50:41 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>>On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 17:29:52 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
>>
>>>>On Saturday, September 13, 2003, hominy cricket wrote:
>>>>> Karen:
>>>>>> I don't do Macs.
>>>>
>>>>> Uh...  Why not?
>>>>
>>>>Can't afford 'em. Don't like buying "computers".
>>>>
>>
>>> *blank look*
>>> Ohhh, computers!
>>
>>LOL. What were you thinking???? Raincoats?

> I was misled by "do".

OH!

Never mind...

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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From: Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU>
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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 19:52:32 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>> Me:
>> child care worker; waitress; factory worker; sales clerk; interpreter;
>> secretary; higher ed administration - let's hope not too many more ahead in
>> the next 20 yrs!
>
>Were these all really careers?
>
>Karen
>"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

Well, under the previous discussion "what is a job change vs career change",
my ample early acquaintance with the Big Book of Career Codes at the
Unemployment Office defined these as non-cross-pollinating fields, i.e.
careers under one definition.

Any one of them could have been a job I kept for a lifetime under other
circumstances, and I had coworkers in each who had been there two decades or
more. None were just summer jobs. So yes, in a sense.

I didn't list:
semi-engine mechanic's apprentice (2 wks), paper recycling warehouse, nanny,
state institution "recreation aide", summer school teacher, nonprofit board
member, interpreter training, or consultant - all things I have also done.


So it might be a fair list.

clo

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Lynne, I just turned on the end of 48 Hours, and they said that DNA
testing in the case they were discussing (which I know nothing about
and didn't see) would cost $3,000.

Karen

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Marty Rosen wrote:

> Here are a few variations on the theme.  ulm goes one further, asserting
> that the stat applies to college graduates, rather than everyone.
>
> http://www.cofc.edu/~career/majorstocareers.html

Are you saying that this is a variation on the career-change theme?

|Offering predominantly a liberal arts education, the College of
Charleston does not |have as its primary purpose the training of
|people for specific occupations or careers. Rather, it gives students a
broad |educational background from which to go in many
|career directions.

I didn't chase the other urls -- just that first one.  There are no
doubt some claims re career-changes in some of them, but I don't see it
in that first one.  I see it as saying that a liberal arts education is
not aimed at a specific career.  Sort of like my dept's web page:

http://www.msstate.edu/dept/English/EnCelebs.html

I agree with you, of course, that somebody needs to come up with the
research record if claims about X number of career changes are being
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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 19:57:20 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
>> The point of the assertion is frequently to tout the value of a liberal
>> education.
>
>But a good engineering education should enable one to be as flexible.
>
>> I could rephrase it like this: "A liberal education doesn't prepare
>> you for _a_ job; it prepares you for a lifetime of jobs." Or, more
>> cynically, "Get a liberal education and earn a lifetime of
>> employment insecurity..."
>
>I'm not quite sure what world you are living in, Marty. In my world, I
>don't see any correlation between education and employment insecurity.
>Or maybe a negative correlation--all the people I know who only have a
>high school education haven't been laid off.
>

Think again, Karen - I've been laid off plenty, and mostly when I had only a
high school education. And many of my hs-level working class friends have
been through long spells of unemployment recently, including 2 highly
qualified plumbers.

clo

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Hey, Adam!  I've been meaning to report but keep forgetting:  I found
out how to switch between CD and radio in my car more gracefully!  I had
wondered why when removing a CD I had to hit the on button to turn on
the radio.  But it hadn't occurred to me that it was because inserting a
CD turned the radio to <off> and that I could turn the radio on without
removing the CD by hitting the on button.  I tried that a week or so ago
-- hit the on button while a CD was in.  And it switched to radio!  Then
hitting it (the off/on button) again switched to the CD that was still
sitting there in the CD-player's guts.  Wish I had known this before
doing all that driving during the summer.  But I'm happy to know it now.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>>I'm not quite sure what world you are living in, Marty. In my world, I
>>don't see any correlation between education and employment insecurity.
>>Or maybe a negative correlation--all the people I know who only have a
>>high school education haven't been laid off.

> Think again, Karen - I've been laid off plenty, and mostly when I had only a
> high school education.

Sorry, I meant 'in this recent economic downturn'. I only know 3
people that I know for sure haven't gone to college, but I don't
screen for this.

> And many of my hs-level working class friends have
> been through long spells of unemployment recently, including 2 highly
> qualified plumbers.

PLUMBERS! That's on my list of recession-proof jobs.

Anyway, I wasn't claiming anything other that this was anecdote.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 17:24:40 -0500, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:
>
> >Rita Chapman wrote:
> >>
> >>         I've always heard three times, but I have no idea.  Two or
> >> three sounds possible to me.  I'm on my third.
> >
> >I don't know how many careers I've had.
>
> ahem.
> wrong generation, Natalie - you started to work in the 1-2 range.

Huh?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> sitting there in the CD-player's guts.  Wish I had known this before
> doing all that driving during the summer.  But I'm happy to know it now.

Great!!!

Now imagine what you could have learned (and still can!) by reading the
instruction book that came with the stereo! :)

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 19:52:32 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
>
>
>>On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>>
>>>Me:
>>>child care worker; waitress; factory worker; sales clerk; interpreter;
>>>secretary; higher ed administration - let's hope not too many more ahead in
>>>the next 20 yrs!
>>>
>>Were these all really careers?
>>
>>Karen
>>"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern
>>
>
> Well, under the previous discussion "what is a job change vs career change",
> my ample early acquaintance with the Big Book of Career Codes at the
> Unemployment Office defined these as non-cross-pollinating fields, i.e.
> careers under one definition.
>
> Any one of them could have been a job I kept for a lifetime under other
> circumstances, and I had coworkers in each who had been there two decades or
> more. None were just summer jobs. So yes, in a sense.
>
> I didn't list:
> semi-engine mechanic's apprentice (2 wks), paper recycling warehouse, nanny,
> state institution "recreation aide", summer school teacher, nonprofit board
> member, interpreter training, or consultant - all things I have also done.
>
>
> So it might be a fair list.


        For my class this semester, the instructor had us list all
our jobs on the back of an index card.  I ran out of room.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 17:24:40 -0500, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:
>>
>> >Rita Chapman wrote:
>> >>
>> >>         I've always heard three times, but I have no idea.  Two or
>> >> three sounds possible to me.  I'm on my third.
>> >
>> >I don't know how many careers I've had.
>>
>> ahem.
>> wrong generation, Natalie - you started to work in the 1-2 range.

> Huh?

You are of the cohort that had 1-2 jobs.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> Now imagine what you could have learned (and still can!) by reading the
> instruction book that came with the stereo! :)

I keep meaning to look for it -- to see whether it's in the car or in my
equipment folder.  But I don't think I need to learn anything more.  I
am content with the current state of things.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> > I'd keep it a little hidden if I were you.
> > Theo
>
> Americans!

Can't live with 'em.....


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> Billy Bob wrote that role just for him, BBT said.


Wish I had seen him with Robin Williams; but Sling
Blade must have been a coup for John Ritter.  I'll
miss him.

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At 09:07 PM 9/13/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > sitting there in the CD-player's guts.  Wish I had known this before
> > doing all that driving during the summer.  But I'm happy to know it now.
>
>Great!!!
>
>Now imagine what you could have learned (and still can!) by reading the
>instruction book that came with the stereo! :)

I'm listening to Dixie Chicks and came across The Nields. We're both
thinking about you today, Adam.

Betty

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> I'm listening to Dixie Chicks and came across The Nields. We're both
> thinking about you today, Adam.

o/~ We sat around the table/And drank a bottle of Valpolicella o/~

hmmmm.

o/~ We sat around the table/And drank a bottle of Two Buck Chuck o/~

No, that's not right, either.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net
who is craving bourbon for some strange reason

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>--Adam
>adamh1@comcast.net
>who is craving bourbon for some strange reason

I'm drinking iced tea.  I have some bourbon though if you can come on over.
Still have some sake, too.


Betty

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In a message dated 9/13/2003 3:30:47 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

>I didn't realize you were so PC literate that you could compare?
>
I have several other talents you're not aware of methinks.
Theo

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> Lynne, I just turned on the end of 48 Hours, and
> they said that DNA
> testing in the case they were discussing (which I
> know nothing about
> and didn't see) would cost $3,000.


I didn't see it, either, but that sounds much more
like the figure I've been hearing for some time.  The
$l59 job was supposedly being advertised by a
"genealogical sleuth firm" in NYC.  As reported by
NPR.  I'm sure Dr. CV is correct in that they take
your money and give you a can and a length of string.

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> > And many of my hs-level working class friends have
> > been through long spells of unemployment recently,
> including 2 highly
> > qualified plumbers.
>
> PLUMBERS! That's on my list of recession-proof jobs.


It is comforting to know, however, that folks produce
less waste in time of economic recession.

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Theo Groothof wrote:
> In a message dated 9/13/2003 3:30:47 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

>>I didn't realize you were so PC literate that you could compare?
>>
> I have several other talents you're not aware of methinks.

Theo, any talent you had would amaze me. When was the last time you
used a PC?

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> > And many of my hs-level working class friends have
>> > been through long spells of unemployment recently,
>> including 2 highly
>> > qualified plumbers.
>>
>> PLUMBERS! That's on my list of recession-proof jobs.


> It is comforting to know, however, that folks produce
> less waste in time of economic recession.

And you know this, because?

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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Betty wrote:

> I'm listening to Dixie Chicks and came across The Nields. We're both
> thinking about you today, Adam.

I think about Adam constantly when traveling.  I don't listen to CDs as
much when not traveling since, even though I know now how to do the
quick change from radio to CD, I'm normally not in my car long enough to
do much switching.  I stick to PRM most of the time.  But the Nields are
constantly with me on the road.  I could listen to CDs in my house, of
course, but I don't do that very often.  It's odd.  I used to listen to
music all the time when at home.  Now I don't very often.  But when
traveling I think about driving back from Germantown with Adam.

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Betty wrote:

> Still have some sake, too.

Makes me want to be in Japan.  I really should go there sometime soon.
I've got to get on the ball and make plans for Thanksgiving (when we as
of this year will have a whole week off) and Xmas.  Furrbabies is going
to fill up soon for those holiday times.  And airplanes.  I've got to
shake my inertia re travel plans.

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> > It is comforting to know, however, that folks
> produce
> > less waste in time of economic recession.
>
> And you know this, because?


In a word, yes.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >> >I don't know how many careers I've had.
> >>
> >> ahem.
> >> wrong generation, Natalie - you started to work in the 1-2 range.
>
> > Huh?
>
> You are of the cohort that had 1-2 jobs.

?  I still don't understand.  I can see how 1-2 jobs might fit me -- 1
if teaching swimming and waterskiing and teaching English are the same,
2 if they're different, or if we're excluding jobs before graduation,
then 1 if teaching k-12 and teaching college are the same, 2 if not.
But I don't see what this has to do with generations.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> >> > And many of my hs-level working class friends have
> >> > been through long spells of unemployment recently,
> >> including 2 highly
> >> > qualified plumbers.
> >>
> >> PLUMBERS! That's on my list of recession-proof jobs.
>
> > It is comforting to know, however, that folks produce
> > less waste in time of economic recession.
>
> And you know this, because?

Why else would the plumbers mentioned at > >> above be without work?

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In a message dated 9/13/2003 8:29:25 PM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Wish I had seen him with Robin Williams; but Sling
Blade must have been a coup for John Ritter.  I'll
miss him.

>>

Ever see him on Buffy as Joyce's (Buffy's mom) boyfriend?

Evelyn Duncan
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>I'm drinking iced tea.  I have some bourbon though if you can come on over.
Still have some sake, too.

>Betty

Iced water here.

No bourbon (can't stand the stuff), but plenty of tequila, vodka, rum,
scotch, brandy, 43 and Zivana.

AS

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>
> Ever see him on Buffy as Joyce's (Buffy's mom)
> boyfriend?
>

No, I've never seen Buffy, period.  I never thought it
would appeal to me.  Is it concerned with magic or
occultism?


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At 09:23 PM 9/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >I'm drinking iced tea.  I have some bourbon though if you can come on over.
>Still have some sake, too.
>
> >Betty
>
>Iced water here.
>
>No bourbon (can't stand the stuff), but plenty of tequila, vodka, rum,
>scotch, brandy, 43 and Zivana.

What kind of tequila?

Betty

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In a message dated 9/13/2003 9:33:40 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
No, I've never seen Buffy, period.  I never thought it
would appeal to me.  Is it concerned with magic or
occultism?

>>

Oh, quite a bit.  Buffy is a vampire slayer, her friend Willow
is a witch, Willow's ex-boyfriend Oz is a werewolf three nights
out of the month, Xander's ex-fiancée Anya was a former
vengeance demon, and Buffy's been in love with one vampire
(Angel) and slept with another (Spike).  She slept with 
Angel one night which caused him to lose his soul (a gypsy
curse) and turn evil; as the evil Angelus, he killed Giles' 
(Buffy's watcher) girlfriend, Jenny Calendar (computer instructor
and gypsy).

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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>>

Oh, quite a bit. Buffy is a vampire slayer, her friend
Willow


A metaphysical Peyton Place?  Maybe I'll try it in reruns.

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> > It is comforting to know, however, that folks
>> produce
>> > less waste in time of economic recession.
>>
>> And you know this, because?


> In a word, yes.

Uh-huh?

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> But I don't see what this has to do with generations.

Well, I never expected to be involuntarily changing careers in my
50's. 50-year-old career-changers used to be relatively uncommon,
because people had fewer jobs in their lifetime. But a whole bunch of
baby boomers are changing the statistics by changing careers later in
life.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> >> > And many of my hs-level working class friends have
>> >> > been through long spells of unemployment recently,
>> >> including 2 highly
>> >> > qualified plumbers.
>> >>
>> >> PLUMBERS! That's on my list of recession-proof jobs.
>>
>> > It is comforting to know, however, that folks produce
>> > less waste in time of economic recession.
>>
>> And you know this, because?

> Why else would the plumbers mentioned at > >> above be without work?

Because construction has been down. Duh.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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In a message dated 9/13/2003 9:59:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
A metaphysical Peyton Place?  Maybe I'll try it in reruns.

>>

FX twice a day Monday through Friday; it's in season four
now:  Buffy and Willow are freshmen in college and their
psychology professor is the head of a military operation
to capture demons, vampires, and the like and make them
"harmless."

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Theo Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 9/13/2003 1:15:19 PM, aborkin@RAHUL.NET writes:
>
> >I hear 'wine snob' a lot.
> >
> >Ann
> >
> I'd keep it a little hidden if I were you.
> Theo

THIS, no, THIS!  Is my favorite words-l exchange of the year.

Ann>

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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> My impression was always that this was for younger people. But I've
> already had 4 careers:
>         ESL instructor
>         Japanese professor
>         Japanese technical translator
>         technical writer

I have sucked myself into this stupid contest.

I claim:

Potter (was only an assistant but was also doing my own paltry thing)
Secretary
French Teacher
Linguist and assistant professor
Legal Assistant
Law Librarian

umm what was the question, was there any question?

Ann

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On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> My impression was always that this was for younger people. But I've
>> already had 4 careers:
>>         ESL instructor
>>         Japanese professor
>>         Japanese technical translator
>>         technical writer

> I have sucked myself into this stupid contest.

> I claim:

> Potter (was only an assistant but was also doing my own paltry thing)
> Secretary
> French Teacher
> Linguist and assistant professor
> Legal Assistant
> Law Librarian

> umm what was the question, was there any question?

I don't know. I didn't list all my jobs. I listed my careers. I have
worked as a secretary, a receptionist, a bookkeeper, a sandwich-maker
in a bagel restaurant. Other things that I forget--I liked working as
a floater in a dept. store. But none of those were careers, IMO.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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In a message dated 9/13/2003 8:01:00 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

>Theo, any talent you had would amaze me. When was the last time you
>used a PC?
>
I'm using one right now if you are referring to a personal computer, because
that was (and still is) the *correct* abbreviation for personal computer.
Besides your "windows" is just a copy of the MAC
and because they couldn't come up with a better version for a pc Theo,{who is
only satisfied with the best}

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In a message dated 9/13/2003 9:07:09 PM, aborkin@RAHUL.NET writes:

>On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Theo Groothof wrote:
 In a message dated 9/13/2003 1:15:19 PM, aborkin@RAHUL.NET writes:
 I hear 'wine snob' a lot.
 >Ann
 >
 I'd keep it a little hidden if I were you.
 Theo

THIS, no, THIS!  Is my favorite words-l exchange of the year.
Ann>
No doubt about it; I've missed it, Theo

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> > >> > been through long spells of unemployment recently,
> > >> including 2 highly qualified plumbers.
> > >>
> > >> PLUMBERS! That's on my list of recession-proof jobs.
> >
> > > It is comforting to know, however, that folks produce
> > > less waste in time of economic recession.
> >
> > And you know this, because?
>
>Why else would the plumbers mentioned at > >> above be without work?
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

No new construction.


bonnie

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> > You are of the cohort that had 1-2 jobs.
>
>?  I still don't understand.  I can see how 1-2 jobs might fit me -- 1
>if teaching swimming and waterskiing and teaching English are the same,
>2 if they're different, or if we're excluding jobs before graduation,
>then 1 if teaching k-12 and teaching college are the same, 2 if not.
>But I don't see what this has to do with generations.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Times change.  In this case, they have supposedly changed toward succeeding
generations of workers needing more than one career a lifetime.


bonniev, nun, secretary, professional student, teacher, rower, bookkeeper,
knitter, Inn-sitter.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> > > >> > been through long spells of unemployment recently,
> > > >> including 2 highly qualified plumbers.
> > > >>
> > > >> PLUMBERS! That's on my list of recession-proof jobs.
> > >
> > > > It is comforting to know, however, that folks produce
> > > > less waste in time of economic recession.
> > >
> > > And you know this, because?
> >
> >Why else would the plumbers mentioned at > >> above be without work?
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> No new construction.

My gosh.  I wasn't surprised at Karen's <literality>.  But you too?  I
thought you would see that the reason plumbers are out of work in bad
economic times is that people have less to eat and thus go to the
bathroom less.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>>No bourbon (can't stand the stuff), but plenty of tequila, vodka, rum,
>>scotch, brandy, 43 and Zivana.

>What kind of tequila?

>Betty

Sauza. I don't know how this ranks. Historically, I've not been an <avid>
tequila drinker but I have become fond of the occasional margarita. What
kind of tequila do you like?

AS

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>
>Sauza. I don't know how this ranks. Historically, I've not been an <avid>
>tequila drinker but I have become fond of the occasional margarita. What
>kind of tequila do you like?
>
>AS

I have just recently been introduced to different tequilas. I had no
idea.  Don Julio was  good and the something with reposado on the
label.  I'm on a mission to find my favorite.

Betty

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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 20:05:49 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>>>I'm not quite sure what world you are living in, Marty. In my world, I
>>>don't see any correlation between education and employment insecurity.
>>>Or maybe a negative correlation--all the people I know who only have a
>>>high school education haven't been laid off.
>
>> Think again, Karen - I've been laid off plenty, and mostly when I had only a
>> high school education.
>
>Sorry, I meant 'in this recent economic downturn'. I only know 3
>people that I know for sure haven't gone to college, but I don't
>screen for this.
>
>> And many of my hs-level working class friends have
>> been through long spells of unemployment recently, including 2 highly
>> qualified plumbers.
>
>PLUMBERS! That's on my list of recession-proof jobs.
>
>Anyway, I wasn't claiming anything other that this was anecdote.
>
>Karen
>"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

True, and I didn't mean to undercut your own experience; but maybe it's
useful to reflect (on the abstract level) that the <noteworthiness> of
educated people being out of work for long periods of time stems from
the fact that it's unusual and catches them by surprise. In a way, the
current periodic downturns for educated workers might have some sort of
analogy to the cyclical "panics" of the post-civil war era that spawned the
Republican ethic as we now know it.

Underneath that, unskilled workers and physical laborers have always had
a lower employment rate and longer periods of unemployment, with fewer
resources to keep them afloat. The ranks swell during downturns,
<including this one> but nobody cares or thinks it worth discussing except
when it might be an election point for Dems. But of course when the most
 active voters (middle and upper class) are hurting, it's no longer a worthy
talking point for Dems either.
clo

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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 20:07:07 -0500, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

>Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 17:24:40 -0500, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
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>>
>> >Rita Chapman wrote:
>> >>
>> >>         I've always heard three times, but I have no idea.  Two or
>> >> three sounds possible to me.  I'm on my third.
>> >
>> >I don't know how many careers I've had.
>>
>> ahem.
>> wrong generation, Natalie - you started to work in the 1-2 range.
>
>Huh?

When did you get your first job? Or when did you graduate from high school?
If in the 50's - 60's, you would be in the cohort that is less likely to have
so many careers, based on the claims that I heard.

<Not> that it matters for an individual - it's a statistical claim, <if>
it's a claim at all - since no one can come up with a cite!

clo

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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 21:39:30 EDT, Theo Groothof <Dutchessg1@AOL.COM> wrote:

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>>I didn't realize you were so PC literate that you could compare?
>>
>I have several other talents you're not aware of methinks.
>Theo

How are you feeling, Theo?

clo

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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 21:14:48 -0500, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

>Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> >> > And many of my hs-level working class friends have
>> >> > been through long spells of unemployment recently,
>> >> including 2 highly
>> >> > qualified plumbers.
>> >>
>> >> PLUMBERS! That's on my list of recession-proof jobs.
>>
>> > It is comforting to know, however, that folks produce
>> > less waste in time of economic recession.
>>
>> And you know this, because?
>
>Why else would the plumbers mentioned at > >> above be without work?
>
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

LOL!

Less housebuilding, people slower to make non-emergency repairs, plumbing
businesses and contractors less willing to spread work around by keeping
people on payroll; office buildings etc. being reused instead of building new...

clo

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>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> > http://www.cofc.edu/~career/majorstocareers.html
>
>Are you saying that this is a variation on the career-change theme?


Here's the specific passage from that page:

Career decisions require not only more specific information about a career
field and the personal skills need to be successful in a field, but are more
complex and often need to be made several times during a lifetime. According
to the experts, the av erage American is making 7-10 jobs changes and 3-5
career changes in a lifetime. Decisions about an undergraduate major are
usually made once or twice during college only. A four-year undergraduate
education basically provides a foundation of knowledge and skills upon which
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>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: career changes and "studies"
>Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 19:57:20 -0500
>
>On Saturday, September 13, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> > The point of the assertion is frequently to tout the value of a liberal
> > education.
>
>But a good engineering education should enable one to be as flexible.
>
> > I could rephrase it like this: "A liberal education doesn't prepare
> > you for _a_ job; it prepares you for a lifetime of jobs." Or, more
> > cynically, "Get a liberal education and earn a lifetime of
> > employment insecurity..."
>
>I'm not quite sure what world you are living in, Marty. In my world, I
>don't see any correlation between education and employment insecurity.
>Or maybe a negative correlation--all the people I know who only have a
>high school education haven't been laid off.
>
>Karen
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I live in a world where former technical writers are expected to read with
more attention to detail.

>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> > I could rephrase it like this: "A liberal education doesn't prepare
> > you for _a_ job; it prepares you for a lifetime of jobs." Or, more
> > cynically, "Get a liberal education and earn a lifetime of
> > employment insecurity..."
>
>I'm not quite sure what world you are living in, Marty. In my world, I
>don't see any correlation between education and employment insecurity.
>Or maybe a negative correlation--all the people I know who only have a
>high school education haven't been laid off.
>
>Karen
>"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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In a message dated 9/14/2003 9:50:50 AM, clostran@SYR.EDU writes:

>How are you feeling, Theo?
----------
That broken hip has been causing a lot of pain lately, but other than that
fairly well. If only my daughter who lives just down the street could be a
little more helpful I'd be happier, but you know how that goes.... well, perhaps
you don't. Shouldn't complain; got what I wanted. Theo

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> When did you get your first job?

First <adult> job (not a part-time or summer job) started in August '65.

> Or when did you graduate from high school?

June '61.

> If in the 50's - 60's, you would be in the cohort that is less likely to have
> so many careers, based on the claims that I heard.
>
> <Not> that it matters for an individual - it's a statistical claim, <if>
> it's a claim at all - since no one can come up with a cite!

Have reasons for it been given?  Like why would people born in the '30s
and '40s be less likely to change jobs than people born later than
that?  Might it be that those of us born in my generation were more
likely to grow up hearing tales of The Depression and therefore be more
concerned with job security?

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> >Why else would the plumbers mentioned at > >> above be without work?
>
> LOL!

Thank you.  I was beginning to wonder whether anybody realized that my
comment was intended as facetious.

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I'm going to a real estate open house this afternoon at this house:

http://www.starkvillerealestate.com/listings_residential/4bedroom/510greensboro/

NOT that I am interested in buying that house.  I am most definitely not
interested.  But I think it will be fun to see it since I've been
curious about it.  For one thing I'm curious about why it's so cheap
(for the kind of house it is, I mean -- there are plenty of cheaper
houses around).  Part of the reason is probably that the houses along
that stretch back up to an <unsavory> neighborhood -- as in high crime
-- petty crimes mostly, not murders and rapes and stuff, but vandalism
has been known to occur along there.  A friend of mine who lives not far
down that street bought a dog machine for that reason -- a
motion-sensitive device that barks and growls.  He said that it's quite
realistic sounding and that he has not been bothered by lurking vandals
since getting it.

Speaking of dog machines, I am in love with the Pet of the Week in
today's paper.  His name is River because he was rescued recently by a
skier on the Tombigbee River.  The skier saw the dog in front of him and
dropped the rope to keep from hitting him.  He then guided the dog to
shore and took him to the vet school, where a vet said that it appeared
that the dog had probably been thrown off a bridge near where the skier
found him.

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On Sunday, September 14, 2003, Theo Groothof wrote:
> In a message dated 9/13/2003 8:01:00 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

>>Theo, any talent you had would amaze me. When was the last time you
>>used a PC?
>>
> I'm using one right now if you are referring to a personal computer, because
> that was (and still is) the *correct* abbreviation for personal computer.
> Besides your "windows" is just a copy of the MAC
> and because they couldn't come up with a better version for a pc Theo,{who is
> only satisfied with the best}

LOL. Uh-huh!

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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On Sunday, September 14, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Less housebuilding, people slower to make non-emergency repairs, plumbing
> businesses and contractors less willing to spread work around by keeping
> people on payroll; office buildings etc. being reused instead of building new...

A lot of people are beginning to be more unwilling to extend any sort
of credit to their clients, I've heard. Austin used to be the kind of
place where people trusted other people about money.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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Shouldn't complain; got what I wanted. Theo


What was it wanted that you got, Theo?

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I loved the house.  Of course now I couldn't make an offer on it even if
I wanted to because I blurted right out to the two real estate people,
"This is a wonderful house, worth every penny of the asking price."  But
that's ok.  It's much too big for me anyway.

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Natalie:
>I would guess that most of those _adults_ are alums --
>from various places, most which places aren't Starkville.

Yes, I suppose.

Are most people who go to MSU from MS, or
do they get a lot of out-of-staters?

> How long ago was it that Tulane left the SEC?

After the 1965 football season.

And what a mistake that turned out to be.

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Evelyn:
> Willow's ex-boyfriend Oz is a werewolf three nights
> out of the month,

Is that the full moon and the days around it,
or just three random excessive-hair days?

And, if the former, is there PWS?

> I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
> Peter Venkman

...but only three days a month.

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In a message dated 9/14/2003 1:42:38 PM, lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:

>What was it wanted that you got, Theo?
----
A place near dau#3 that she recommended. I had been planning to move into a
retirement home just prior moving.
Dau just got a new boyfriend, and seems happier, so I am too.
My kitty and I don't need much, so I'm satisfied.
Besides, I've got you people to entertain me, don't I? <Theo>

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In a message dated 9/14/2003 5:01:55 PM Central Daylight Time,
rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU writes:
<<
Is that the full moon and the days around it,
or just three random excessive-hair days?

>>

The former, but he later learned to control it with meditation
techniques.

Seth Green is in Macaulay Culkin's new movie; I'm going
to try to see it.  It's been a long time since I've gone to
see a movie; I usually wait until it's on tape or cable.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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hominy cricket wrote:
>
> Natalie:
> >I would guess that most of those _adults_ are alums --
> >from various places, most which places aren't Starkville.
>
> Yes, I suppose.
>
> Are most people who go to MSU from MS, or
> do they get a lot of out-of-staters?

The majority are from MS, but there are lots of out-of-staters.  Also a
good many <international> (what used to be called foreign until somebody
decided that wasn't nice, for reasons I still don't understand) students
(far more grad than undergrad), although foreign enrollment is down,
presumably because of the new visa regulations.

But where the students come from and where they go upon leaving aren't
always the same.  I don't know what percentage stay in the state (though
I'm sure those figures are findable).

> > How long ago was it that Tulane left the SEC?
>
> After the 1965 football season.
>
> And what a mistake that turned out to be.

Why?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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You can discuss the various reasons why this might be so, but you should
also be aware that the oft-repeated claim that there was some sort of
secular change in the likelihood of lifetime employment sometime during the
last half of the twentieth century may not be substantiated by any sort of
robust evidence.  I'm still trying to track this one down, and it may be
true, but I advise skepticism until someone can cite evidence.  To be
specific, I'm not suggesting that lifetime employment is rare, but rather
that it may be no less rare for baby boomers than for previous generations
in the U.S.  Again, here, you encounter some definitional complexities, and
you have to establish a meaningful cut-off point.

The proposition that lifetime employment is less likely in the
post-industrial U.S. than it was in the agrarian early 19th century U.S.
strikes me as intuitively plausible, but perhaps only in certain pockets of
the country.  Considering the massive immigration that took place during the
19th century the rapid shift toward industrialization, the growing pace of
factory-employment, etc. I'd guess you might have to go back pretty far to
find a period when lifetime employment at a single firm was the norm.

>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>Have reasons for it been given?  Like why would people born in the '30s
>and '40s be less likely to change jobs than people born later than
>that?  Might it be that those of us born in my generation were more
>likely to grow up hearing tales of The Depression and therefore be more
>concerned with job security?
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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****************************
More than 75 percent of this fall’s students are Mississippi residents.
About 48 percent are women, more than 18 percent are African-American,
and 21 percent are graduate students.

The entering freshman class, made up of 1,270 Mississippi residents and
428 from other states and countries, reported an average ACT score of
23.5.
****************************
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With a statewide enrollment of more than 15,000 students, representing
all 82 counties in Mississippi, 50 states, and nearly 80 foreign
countries, Mississippi State truly is "The People's University"
*************
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http://www.its.msstate.edu/Information/Documentation/files/sample0.html

That's not dated, and I know it must be old since we've been over 16,000
for a good while, I think.  I do think it's true that we normally have
students from all 50 states, though.  I've heard that said, and it seems
reasonable to assume that there would be a least a student or two from
every state.

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Weird.  Do most universities have a blurb about the quality of their
drinking water on their websites?

http://www.msstate.edu/web/about_us.php

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>I do think it's true that we normally have
>students from all 50 states, though.  I've heard that said, and it seems
>reasonable to assume that there would be a least a student or two from
>every state.        -- Natalie

That doesn't sound reasonable to me at all.  I can't picture, for example,
someone from California or Massachusetts choosing to go to school in
Mississippi.  Why travel across the country, to what constitutes a foreign
culture, when your own state has a wide variety of colleges to choose from??!


bonnie

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On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:05:35 -0500, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
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>Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
>> When did you get your first job?
>
>First <adult> job (not a part-time or summer job) started in August '65.
>
>> Or when did you graduate from high school?
>
>June '61.
>
>> If in the 50's - 60's, you would be in the cohort that is less likely to
have
>> so many careers, based on the claims that I heard.
>>
>> <Not> that it matters for an individual - it's a statistical claim, <if>
>> it's a claim at all - since no one can come up with a cite!
>
>Have reasons for it been given?  Like why would people born in the '30s
>and '40s be less likely to change jobs than people born later than
>that?  Might it be that those of us born in my generation were more
>likely to grow up hearing tales of The Depression and therefore be more
>concerned with job security?

My memory is not that it's a matter of choice, but that older people would
tend to have been in jobs at a time when corporations had a sense that it
was good to have people stay with them a long time, and technology wasn't
yet rendering skills obsolete and demanding new ones at such a rapid rate.

clo

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On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 18:16:52 -0400, Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
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>You can discuss the various reasons why this might be so, but you should
>also be aware that the oft-repeated claim that there was some sort of
>secular change in the likelihood of lifetime employment sometime during the
>last half of the twentieth century may not be substantiated by any sort of
>robust evidence.  I'm still trying to track this one down, and it may be
>true, but I advise skepticism until someone can cite evidence.  To be
>specific, I'm not suggesting that lifetime employment is rare, but rather
>that it may be no less rare for baby boomers than for previous generations
>in the U.S.  Again, here, you encounter some definitional complexities, and
>you have to establish a meaningful cut-off point.
>
>The proposition that lifetime employment is less likely in the
>post-industrial U.S. than it was in the agrarian early 19th century U.S.
>strikes me as intuitively plausible, but perhaps only in certain pockets of
>the country.  Considering the massive immigration that took place during
the
>19th century the rapid shift toward industrialization, the growing pace of
>factory-employment, etc. I'd guess you might have to go back pretty far to
>find a period when lifetime employment at a single firm was the norm.
>
>>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>>Have reasons for it been given?  Like why would people born in the '30s
>>and '40s be less likely to change jobs than people born later than
>>that?  Might it be that those of us born in my generation were more
>>likely to grow up hearing tales of The Depression and therefore be more
>>concerned with job security?

I agree with you about being cautious with these claims, even after we
 manage to unearth citations, if any. My g-grandfather (b 1880)had multiple
 careers, and my father-in-law (b. 1898) did also.

clo

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Marty:

> The proposition that lifetime employment is less likely in the
> post-industrial U.S. than it was in the agrarian early 19th century
U.S.
> strikes me as intuitively plausible, but perhaps only in certain
pockets of
> the country.  Considering the massive immigration that took place
during the
> 19th century the rapid shift toward industrialization, the growing
pace of
> factory-employment, etc. I'd guess you might have to go back pretty
far to
> find a period when lifetime employment at a single firm was the norm.

As you know, I was born in the 20's, as were most of my friends.
I have to think really hard to think of one person among my
many friends and acquaintances who have ever held more than
one job or who have even changed direction or occupations.
Matter of fact, I can't think of one, at the moment.  I don't know why.
I guess they never had a reason to change.

                  - D. M.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >I do think it's true that we normally have
> >students from all 50 states, though.  I've heard that said, and it seems
> >reasonable to assume that there would be a least a student or two from
> >every state.        -- Natalie
>
> That doesn't sound reasonable to me at all.  I can't picture, for example,
> someone from California or Massachusetts choosing to go to school in
> Mississippi.  Why travel across the country, to what constitutes a foreign
> culture, when your own state has a wide variety of colleges to choose from??!

There are many reasons that many people do what they do.  I have
certainly had plenty of students from California and Massachusetts.  I
would have named Hawaii and Alaska as less likely, though I know we do
have students from those states also.  Reasons I can think of are
following boyfriends/girlfriends, parents who are alums, a few odd
programs (I think I heard that we're the only school in the country with
a major in being a Golf Pro -- I've forgotten exactly what that major is
called), or whim (as in pick a school somewhere far away just for the
heck of it -- throw a dart over your shoulder at a map -- whatever).  I
heard a good one -- as in an <interesting> reason just a few days ago at
lunch when we were talking about Johnny Cash.  Somebody said he had a
student from some faraway state -- I can't remember where now -- who
said that he chose to come here because he had been a lifetime fan of
Johnny Cash and liked "Starkville City Jail."

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Here's another reason:  Somebody from out of state may have been from
here earlier.  I remembered having glanced at a column in the Reflector
(student newspaper) a week or so ago on that subject.  I just found it:

"This kind of hospitality and friendliness from Southerners is the main
reason I made my exodus from Pennsylvania and came to Mississippi
State."
from: http://tinyurl.com/ncpf

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Saturday night . . we were watching the Nebraska/Penn State game when the phone rang and it was our daughter, who was travelling on business in Pennsylvania, and was sitting in a sports bar watching the game.  Moments later we had an email from our #2 son in Uzbekistan saying he would have the opportunity to watch the game there at 2:30 a.m., which is when he said he usually finished his daily duties anyway.  He said he understood it's a Nebraska state law that one has to watch the game no matter where you are or what you are doing.  

Much as I'm not into sports, I grant that it's kind of a nice thing to keep people in touch.

Son #2 in California isn't into football.
He takes after his mom.

BTW, we won the game.  I watched it, though not ever really understanding it, while hand sewing on a baby quilt, which I do understand.
(Another g. grandchild due in January).

End of report.

            - D. M.

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My brother picked the University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa for
one reason and one reason only:  they had Bear Bryant.

Evelyn Duncan
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I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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>"This kind of hospitality and friendliness from Southerners is the main
>reason I made my exodus from Pennsylvania and came to Mississippi
>State."          from: http://tinyurl.com/ncpf
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Oh, barf.  The Inn was full of Southerners last night and the owners didn't
even warn me.


bonnie

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At 06:49 PM 9/14/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>>I do think it's true that we normally have
>>students from all 50 states, though.  I've heard that said, and it seems
>>reasonable to assume that there would be a least a student or two from
>>every state.        -- Natalie
>
>That doesn't sound reasonable to me at all.  I can't picture, for example,
>someone from California or Massachusetts choosing to go to school in
>Mississippi.  Why travel across the country, to what constitutes a foreign
>culture, when your own state has a wide variety of colleges to choose from??!
>
>
>bonnie

And out of state tuition is high here.  I don't know about other places.

Betty

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One of the neighbors told Mom that Daisy had bitten her.  That's
ridiculous, because we always keep Daisy on a short leash
when anyone passes by or comes close.

Evelyn Duncan
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I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> I agree with you about being cautious with these claims, even after we
>  manage to unearth citations, if any. My g-grandfather (b 1880)had multiple
>  careers, and my father-in-law (b. 1898) did also.

My family is also a datum like yours (sort of) in that the amount of
job-changing decreased through the generations rather than increasing.
My father's father died very young and had only one career: a
middle-management person with the IC railraod.  But my mother's father
(b. 1890) had several different careers in his early adulthood before
settling on accounting.  And he changed companies once even after that.
My father (b. 1907) changed careers once -- from teaching school for his
first few years out of college to working in the cottonseed business for
the rest of his working life.  My brother (1939) and I (1943) have not
changed careers at all, unless we count my teaching jr high, high
school, and college as different careers.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >"This kind of hospitality and friendliness from Southerners is the main
> >reason I made my exodus from Pennsylvania and came to Mississippi
> >State."          from: http://tinyurl.com/ncpf
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> Oh, barf.  The Inn was full of Southerners last night and the owners didn't
> even warn me.

You probably didn't chase the url and read the whole column.  His
examples were of the kinds of things you don't like -- of conversations
with strangers, etc.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, bonniev wrote:

>Oh, barf.  The Inn was full of Southerners last night and the owners didn't
>even warn me.

Poor baby!

Bethany

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> You probably didn't chase the url and read the whole column.  His
> examples were of the kinds of things you don't like -- of conversations
> with strangers, etc.

And the point, of course, re our current discussion was about the
various reasons people have for going to school in other states.  His
reason was that he had lived in Mississippi until his family moved to
Pennsylvania six years ago -- and that he hated the move.  I feel sure
that there are similar cases of people whose families moved to
Mississippi from other states -- Maine, for example.  The child hates
the move, misses his/her former life in Maine, and decides to go to
college at the U of Maine instead of to a university in Mississippi.

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Re going to school out of state, I'm suddenly reminded of something that
I can't remember whether I reported here -- a great WLM.  I was talking
to one of my colleagues in early summer, asking him about his daughter,
who is a student at the U of Nebraska.  He and his wife are both from
Nebraska and met while undergrads at the U of Nebraska.  I asked him
whether Jackie was home for the summer, and he said no -- that she was
working at a lake in Iowa -- a place he was sure I had never heard of.
He said the lake was named Okoboji.  I assured him that I knew it ftf.

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, and he said no -- that she was
> working at a lake in Iowa -- a place he was sure I had never heard of.
> He said the lake was named Okoboji.  I assured him that I knew it ftf.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>

Interesting!
       - D. M.

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>You probably didn't chase the url and read the whole column.  His
>examples were of the kinds of things you don't like -- of conversations
>with strangers, etc.      -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

O.k.   I went and read the article and now I give it a triple barf.  This
isn't a guy from the North who decides to go to school in the South because
the South is friendlier.  This is a guy born and raised in the South who
spent six years in the north and interpreted everything he experienced as
unfriendliness and then ran back to the South.


bonnie

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> Re going to school out of state,

One of the reasons I went to school out-of-state is because I wanted to be
far enough away so that I wouldn't have to worry about drop-in visits. I
didn't have to worry - and that was a relief.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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> >Oh, barf.  The Inn was full of Southerners last night and the owners didn't
> >even warn me.
>
>Poor baby!             --Bethany

Thank you for your sincere sympathy.  It was four hours of hell.  Well,
actually, only two hours of hell and then I hid out in the kitchen, baked a
cake, and did the ironing.


bonnie

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> > Re going to school out of state,
>
> One of the reasons I went to school out-of-state is because I wanted to be
> far enough away so that I wouldn't have to worry about drop-in visits. I
> didn't have to worry - and that was a relief.

This reminds me of a friend from New Orleans (one of my lunch bunch)
whom Rice was trying to lure to grad school there when he was graduating
from U of NO.  He instead went to Purdue for his M.S.  Then he decided
to get his PhD at Rice.  When the Rice people mentioned that he had
spurned them earlier, he said that that was because Houston was too
close to NO -- that he needed to get farther away.  (He did end up going
to Rice for his PhD.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Sunday, September 14, 2003, bonniev wrote:
>>I do think it's true that we normally have
>>students from all 50 states, though.  I've heard that said, and it seems
>>reasonable to assume that there would be a least a student or two from
>>every state.        -- Natalie

> That doesn't sound reasonable to me at all.  I can't picture, for example,
> someone from California or Massachusetts choosing to go to school in
> Mississippi.  Why travel across the country, to what constitutes a foreign
> culture, when your own state has a wide variety of colleges to choose from??!

Because it's there.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >You probably didn't chase the url and read the whole column.  His
> >examples were of the kinds of things you don't like -- of conversations
> >with strangers, etc.      -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> O.k.   I went and read the article and now I give it a triple barf.  This
> isn't a guy from the North who decides to go to school in the South because
> the South is friendlier.  This is a guy born and raised in the South who
> spent six years in the north and interpreted everything he experienced as
> unfriendliness and then ran back to the South.

??  That was precisely my point in posting it.  I said that "another
reason" might be that one had lived in a certain state earlier.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, bonniev wrote:

>>Poor baby!             --Bethany
>
>Thank you for your sincere sympathy.  It was four hours of hell.  Well,
>actually, only two hours of hell and then I hid out in the kitchen, baked a
>cake, and did the ironing.

bonnie, if that is what you do when you are hiding out in the kitchen,
you may hide out in my kitchen anytime you want to/need to! I will
entertain the sucky southerners in other rooms.

Bethany

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I left for church about 9:40 this morning ... as I walked toward my
vehicle, a dude on the other side of the street (Jackson Ave.) shouted,
"Hey, Lady" over and over. I kept walking, did not look back, and
finally said, "Sorry, I'm late for church." It worked like a charm. The
guy shut up immediately. I keep learning how to live in the Old City ...

And in just over two weeks, I'll be outta here ... I look forward. I loved
living here much of the time that I was here, but I am ready to move on
...

Bethany

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I've been seeing these ads for Levitra, and couldn't figure out what
they were advertising, except that it's a drug you should ask your
doctor about.

Well, duh, it's for erectile dysfunction! That totally explains the
man throwing the football through the tire hanging from the tree.

Karen

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At 06:16 PM 9/14/2003 -0400, Marty Rosen wrote:
>You can discuss the various reasons why this might be so, but you should
>also be aware that the oft-repeated claim that there was some sort of
>secular change in the likelihood of lifetime employment sometime during the
>last half of the twentieth century may not be substantiated by any sort of
>robust evidence.

I agree that robust evidence may be lacking (and most likely
unobtainable).  However, as one of the generation who graduated from high
school in the late 1950s, then went through undergraduate and graduate
school to burst onto the "meaningful" employment scene in the late 1960s,
there were two fairly substantial factors in operation.  The first was, if
one was employed by a reasonably large bureaucracy, i.e., state government,
federal government, universities, large corporations, the principal rule in
terms of reducing personnel (if that was deemed necessary) was "last in,
first out."  This is a rule/hoary tradition that no longer seems to be
followed (it seems rather that the opposite argument obtains).  Concomitant
with that was the notion of being vested in the retirement program (this
again was in a more peaceful time when retirement/pension programs tended
to be healthy and no corporate pirates were raiding them).  So, if one (1)
had sufficient years to be relatively safe from cutbacks/RIFs/whatever; (2)
was getting close to being completely vested in the retirement program; and
(3)  was reasonably happy in one's job/career path in that organization, it
would take a very, very good offer from outside to instigate a move,
whether simply in job or in career.  I might also point out that the
university tenure system at that time was not all that different in
practice from the "employment seniority" system of other bureaucracies.

I can't speak from experience anymore, but from much that I have read and
heard over the past several years, these factors may no longer be
significant.  Reductions in personnel seem to target the older, more
expensive (to the organization) people.  Parenthetically, I took advantage
of this attitude when I chose early retirement---had I been younger (in
terms of service and, hence, salary/benefits), they might not have approved
my volunteering for a RIF with the attendant one-time benefits.  Retirement
programs have been shown to be vulnerable to all sorts of corporate
shenanigans.  Job/career satisfaction (and loyalty to the organization) may
be at a several-decades low---perhaps owing in part to what I've noted above.

For what it's worth in the semantics of job vs. career:  for my part, I
considered myself to be in the profession of a biological
scientist.  Except for one relatively brief hiatus in TVA, all of the
positions I held were within the bounds of that profession (including my
extracurricular activities as an editor/sometime teacher).  The other
activity which occupied much of my free time for several years (and still
occupies me from time to time)---as a rowing referee---was and is, in my
view, an avocation and would not fit in any job/career model.

cwv

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On Sunday, September 14, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> The first was, if
> one was employed by a reasonably large bureaucracy, i.e., state government,
> federal government, universities, large corporations, the principal rule in
> terms of reducing personnel (if that was deemed necessary) was "last in,
> first out."  This is a rule/hoary tradition that no longer seems to be
> followed (it seems rather that the opposite argument obtains).

It's the rationale by which I was laid off at Dell. I've seen this
used at other companies, too.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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On Sunday, September 14, 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> On Sunday, September 14, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>> The first was, if
>> one was employed by a reasonably large bureaucracy, i.e., state government,
>> federal government, universities, large corporations, the principal rule in
>> terms of reducing personnel (if that was deemed necessary) was "last in,
>> first out."  This is a rule/hoary tradition that no longer seems to be
>> followed (it seems rather that the opposite argument obtains).

> It's the rationale by which I was laid off at Dell. I've seen this
> used at other companies, too.

[This was not meant to dispute your claim that older, more expensive
people are encouraged to go. That's certainly true.]

Karen

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> >  This is a guy born and raised in the South who
> > spent six years in the north and interpreted everything he experienced as
> > unfriendliness and then ran back to the South.
>
>??  That was precisely my point in posting it.  I said that "another
>reason" might be that one had lived in a certain state earlier.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

O.k. Sorry.  I see now.  My bad.


bonnie

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> My kitty and I don't need much, so I'm satisfied.
> Besides, I've got you people to entertain me, don't
> I? <Theo>

Well, as long as that's what you wanted.  I will try
to learn to be entertaining.

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> >Thank you for your sincere sympathy.  It was four hours of hell.  Well,
> >actually, only two hours of hell and then I hid out in the kitchen, baked a
> >cake, and did the ironing.
>
>bonnie, if that is what you do when you are hiding out in the kitchen,
>you may hide out in my kitchen anytime you want to/need to! I will
>entertain the sucky southerners in other rooms.
>Bethany

I charge $10 an hour.  And I don't travel south of the Mason-Dixon line
except to visit the NC coast every three years.  If there is anything left
of the NC coast after this hurricane hits.


bonnie

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> Oh, barf.  The Inn was full of Southerners last
> night and the owners didn't
> even warn me.

As in "The Russians are Coming!  The Russians are
Coming!"?


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> One of the neighbors told Mom that Daisy had bitten
> her.  That's
> ridiculous, because we always keep Daisy on a short
> leash
> when anyone passes by or comes close.


Did you ask Daisy?

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On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, bonniev wrote:

>I charge $10 an hour.  And I don't travel south of the Mason-Dixon line
>except to visit the NC coast every three years.  If there is anything left
>of the NC coast after this hurricane hits.

Too bad about your travel restrictions. (I tip well.)

Bethany

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> Well, duh, it's for erectile dysfunction! That
> totally explains the
> man throwing the football through the tire hanging
> from the tree.

Didn't the "Levit" give it away?


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On Sunday, September 14, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> Well, duh, it's for erectile dysfunction! That
>> totally explains the
>> man throwing the football through the tire hanging
>> from the tree.

> Didn't the "Levit" give it away?

No.

Hm. According to AHD, this is the etymology of 'levitate':
"From Latin levis, light (on the model of gravitate). See levity."

I don't think they want this drug associated with levity.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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> them).  So, if one (1)
> I can't speak from experience anymore, but from much
> that I have read and
> heard over the past several years, these factors may
> no longer be
> significant.  Reductions in personnel seem to target
> the older, more
> expensive (to the organization) people.
> Parenthetically, I took advantage
> of this attitude when I chose early retirement---had
> I been younger (in
> terms of service and, hence, salary/benefits), they
> might not have approved
> my volunteering for a RIF with the attendant
> one-time benefits.  Retirement
> programs have been shown to be vulnerable to all
> sorts of corporate
> shenanigans.  Job/career satisfaction (and loyalty
> to the organization) may
> be at a several-decades low---perhaps owing in part
> to what I've noted above.

>> cwv

A good example of the truth in these observations lies
in a local industry, Avondale Mills.  In its heyday,
it was a very large corporation throughout the South.
I met my ex-husband when his father was transferred
from AL to Philly to the sales office of Avondale.

Within the past 30 years, they have begun
"reorganizations".  The employees who were at one time
rewarded for their longevity and loyalty, are now
"first in", "first out."  The catch is that the new
people, the "reorganization replacement officers",
think they have made a cool deal.  And in fifteen
years, they are out on their ears, as well.  I realize
there are all sorts of mitigating circumstances
involving the bottoming of the textile industry, etc.
But this is no way to run an airline.

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That Jaysie has gone and got herself a fancy-schmancy
new harness, patterned, with matching lead.  She is so la--di--da.

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On Sunday, September 14, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> But this is no way to run an airline.

Why not? Discuss.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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> > Oh, barf.  The Inn was full of Southerners last
> > night and the owners didn't even warn me.
>
>As in "The Russians are Coming!  The Russians are
>Coming!"?

Yes, exactly like that.  Usually, Susan says:  "Bonnie the Inn is full of
Southerners.  Try to be nice."


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> Too bad about your travel restrictions. (I tip
> well.)

Non-negotiable?


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In a message dated 9/14/2003 8:31:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Did you ask Daisy?

>>

Maybe I should ask the Pet Psychic?

Evelyn Duncan
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I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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"This is a wonderful house, worth every penny of the
asking price." But
that's ok. It's much too big for me anyway.

Tell all.

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> On Sunday, September 14, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > But this is no way to run an airline.
>
> Why not? Discuss.
>
> Karen
> "True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan
Bern

IMO, everyone has to trust someone else in his life.
The business of business is so riddled with distrust -
employer-employee, CEO's-shareholders, bankers-debtors
- that it's a wonder the economy staggers along at
all.  Dishonesty often crumples under its own weight.
To my mind, it is dishonest to "retire" employees who
had every right to expect trust and honesty.


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02003-09-14 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> IMO, everyone has to trust someone else in his life.
> The business of business is so riddled with distrust -
> employer-employee, CEO's-shareholders, bankers-debtors
> - that it's a wonder the economy staggers along at
> all.  Dishonesty often crumples under its own weight.

I see you are not familiar with simple economics. Read
any number of blogs to educate yourself.

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On Sunday, September 14, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> IMO, everyone has to trust someone else in his life.

True, I guess.

> The business of business is so riddled with distrust -
> employer-employee, CEO's-shareholders, bankers-debtors
> - that it's a wonder the economy staggers along at
> all.  Dishonesty often crumples under its own weight.
> To my mind, it is dishonest to "retire" employees who
> had every right to expect trust and honesty.

I think that the idea of trusting an employer went out about 20 years
ago. We are all entrepreneurs on this bus. Some of us more failed than
others.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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> Yes, exactly like that.  Usually, Susan says:
> "Bonnie the Inn is full of
> Southerners.  Try to be nice."

That's very good of Susan, she should of done so this
time.

As to football content, Auburn and Alabama are
miserable this year, so I may have to hitch my star to
Doris' team, and that is crass heresy in these parts.

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02003-09-14 | bonniev <bonniev@GWI.NET> writes:
> Yes, exactly like that.  Usually, Susan says:  "Bonnie the Inn is full of
> Southerners.  Try to be nice."

You two seem to be amazingly unpleasant people. Hope you have
to rely on sucky Southerners for business.

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On Sunday, September 14, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> That's very good of Susan, she should of done so this
> time.

have, not of.

Karen
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> I think that the idea of trusting an employer went
> out about 20 years
> ago. We are all entrepreneurs on this bus. Some of
> us more failed than
> others.

Upon consideration, I believe you are right, and I
have indeed been fortunate.  My boss is an honest man;
perhaps I am in the minority.

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> I see you are not familiar with simple economics.
> Read
> any number of blogs to educate yourself.

Sorry, I am not a bloggatee.


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On Sunday, September 14, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> I think that the idea of trusting an employer went
>> out about 20 years
>> ago. We are all entrepreneurs on this bus. Some of
>> us more failed than
>> others.

> Upon consideration, I believe you are right, and I
> have indeed been fortunate.  My boss is an honest man;
> perhaps I am in the minority.

I have worked for and with people I trust. Heck, the first woman who
hired me as a fulltime technical writer is one of my best friends. But
I haven't worked with companies I trust--including the universities I
worked at. No one has your best interests at heart the way that you
do.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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In a message dated 9/14/2003 5:07:23 PM, dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:

>Son #2 in California isn't into football.
>He takes after his mom.
>
Smart enough reason, although reason not necessary; hates the junk.
Theo

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I just watched a Hallmark movie that I enjoyed very much -- have
forgotten the name.  I was wondering about something, though.  I've
always thought of heat lightning as those very distant flashes you see,
without hearing thunder and without any thought that they're anything
except distant flashes in the sky on a summer night.  In this movie,
which was about a major drought, there was raucous lightning and thunder
at one point, waking up sleeping people.  But the native of this
dustbowl area (the specific area wasn't identified) said to his wife,
"It's just heat lightning."  Does "heat lightning" ever seem that much
like a real thunderstorm about to happen?

Hey, Bonnie -- the dustbowl wife was a native of Maine, and she and her
stepchildren went to Maine for a while after the barn burned down, but
she chose to go back to "the prairie."  Different strokes for different
folks.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 08:58 PM 9/14/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Sunday, September 14, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > But this is no way to run an airline.
>
>Why not? Discuss.

If I interpret Lynne's post correctly---and add my own and others
experiences, some of what is lost by the <first in-first out> process is
the loss of institutional memory.  This was true in my case.  My
manager/nominal supervisor really felt the impending loss, because in
certain areas, I not only had more knowledge, but also I had built up a
network of contacts in other agencies---most of those contacts were
developed on person-to-person professional relationships of mutual trust
and respect.  Sometimes, I could accomplish with a phone call or a brief
visit what would otherwise take weeks of interagency negotiations (that is,
as long as I and my counterpart could keep our respective lawyers out of
the picture).  Those contacts, by and large, were lost when I walked out
the door.  My good friend at Miami University experienced the same
thing.  Once having notified everyone of his intention to retire, a certain
amount of panic ensued because few others understood, let alone had
experience with, the inner workings of the university bureaucracy.  It's
not that I or my friend were all that brilliant, or necessarily all that
successful, in dealing with such things---we simply had accumulated a hell
of a lot of experience and learned a little from most of it.

Very often as organizations change, the incoming young turks have no
particular interest in institutional memory---what happened before they
came on the scene is, in their terms, irrelevant.  They see only the
mistakes they rightly or wrongly perceive.  The price the organization
sometimes pays is to relive some rather painful lessons in addition to some
loss in efficency.

cwv

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On Sunday, September 14, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Does "heat lightning" ever seem that much
> like a real thunderstorm about to happen?

Yes. I've seen it like that in the midwest. When I first learned the
term as a child, in fact.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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 No one has your best interests at heart
> the way that you
> do.

Quite so.  But I've held full time jobs since I was
seventeen; and never have I seen anyone claw and fight
for the rights and expansion of benefits for his
employees that our Police Chief has.  The sad part is
that few of them even realize that he is behind their
"good fortune."


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> Smart enough reason, although reason not necessary;
> hates the junk.
> Theo

Do you like soccer, Theo?

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On Sunday, September 14, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> Very often as organizations change, the incoming young turks have no
> particular interest in institutional memory---what happened before they
> came on the scene is, in their terms, irrelevant.  They see only the
> mistakes they rightly or wrongly perceive.  The price the organization
> sometimes pays is to relive some rather painful lessons in addition to some
> loss in efficency.

Good summary.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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At 09:37 PM 9/14/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>... But the native of this
>dustbowl area (the specific area wasn't identified) said to his wife,
>"It's just heat lightning."  Does "heat lightning" ever seem that much
>like a real thunderstorm about to happen?

My guess is that "heat lightning" is cloud-to-cloud lightning viewed from
afar and doesn't necessarily portend a real (rain, lightning, thunder)
thunderstorm.

cwv

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In a message dated 9/14/2003 5:12:39 PM, bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:
>>That doesn't sound reasonable to me at all.  I can't picture, for example,
>>someone from California or Massachusetts choosing to go to school in
>>Mississippi.  Why travel across the country, to what constitutes a foreign
>>culture, when your own state has a wide variety of colleges to choose
>from??!
>
Have they mastered the english language there yet?
Theo

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On Sunday, September 14, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> My guess is that "heat lightning" is cloud-to-cloud lightning viewed from
> afar and doesn't necessarily portend a real (rain, lightning, thunder)
> thunderstorm.

What I saw was cloud-to-ground.

Karen
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> If I interpret Lynne's post correctly---and add my
> own and others
> experiences, some of what is lost by the <first
> in-first out> process is
> the loss of institutional memory.  This was true in
> my case.  My
> manager/nominal supervisor really felt the impending
> loss, because in
> certain areas, I not only had more knowledge, but
> also I had built up a
> network of contacts in other agencies---most of
> those contacts were
> developed on person-to-person professional
> relationships of mutual trust
> and respect.  Sometimes, I could accomplish with a
> phone call or a brief
> visit what would otherwise take weeks of interagency
> negotiations (that is,
> as long as I and my counterpart could keep our
> respective lawyers out of
> the picture).  Those contacts, by and large, were
> lost when I walked out
> the door.  My good friend at Miami University
> experienced the same
> thing.  Once having notified everyone of his
> intention to retire, a certain
> amount of panic ensued because few others
> understood, let alone had
> experience with, the inner workings of the
> university bureaucracy.  It's
> not that I or my friend were all that brilliant, or
> necessarily all that
> successful, in dealing with such things---we simply
> had accumulated a hell
> of a lot of experience and learned a little from
> most of it.
>
> Very often as organizations change, the incoming
> young turks have no
> particular interest in institutional memory---what
> happened before they
> came on the scene is, in their terms, irrelevant.
> They see only the
> mistakes they rightly or wrongly perceive.  The
> price the organization
> sometimes pays is to relive some rather painful
> lessons in addition to some
> loss in efficency.


Please consider being my full-time interpreter.


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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

>   Concomitant
> with that was the notion of being vested in the retirement program (this

That to me became a major factor after my early adulthood.  In my
twenties, it was not something I thought about.  Retirement seemed like
an alien concept.  By my mid thirties or so, however, I recognized the
importance of such matters.  And I am glad that realization kicked in.
My life right now is much happier because of it.

My uncle, a career-changer, job-hopper who is living hand-to-mouth and
still trying to find work (writing assignments) in his eighties, said
that he always thought somehow that he didn't need to worry about the
future -- that it would take care of itself -- that he would publish a
best-seller or make a bundle on an investment or whatever.  That is far,
far from the way I look at things.  I would never count on anything like
that.

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Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> That Jaysie has gone and got herself a fancy-schmancy
> new harness, patterned, with matching lead.  She is so la--di--da.

Bernard had a harness after his neck injury -- or to quote my good
friend, now dead, "after you broke his neck."  Spencer gets along with
just an ordinary collar, though it does have his name and phone number
on it.

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> That to me became a major factor after my early
> adulthood.  In my
> twenties, it was not something I thought about.
> Retirement seemed like
> an alien concept.  By my mid thirties or so,
> however, I recognized the
> importance of such matters.  And I am glad that
> realization kicked in.
> My life right now is much happier because of it.

I never thought about the future until I was
approaching my tenth year in the same job.  Tomorrow
is my employment anniversary - 28 years.

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Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> "This is a wonderful house, worth every penny of the
> asking price." But
> that's ok. It's much too big for me anyway.
>
> Tell all.

What would all be?  A more detailed description?  Will perhaps do so
tomorrow.  Just looked at the clock and realize that I'm up past my
bedtime with a very busy day tomorrow.

G'night.

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> Bernard had a harness after his neck injury -- or to
> quote my good
> friend, now dead, "after you broke his neck."
> Spencer gets along with
> just an ordinary collar, though it does have his
> name and phone number
> on it.

It's just that the "new" hasn't worn off it yet, for her.

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In a message dated 9/14/2003 7:14:48 PM, lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:

>Well, as long as that's what you wanted.  I will try
>to learn to be entertaining.
>
I'd appreciate it very much.
<Theo>

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In a message dated 9/14/2003 7:55:25 PM, lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:

>  Retirement
>> programs have been shown to be vulnerable to all
>> sorts of corporate
>> shenanigans.
------
I guess I got lucky to get it at the time I did because it was a Brittish
company. They went back shortly after I had to quit because of the accident.
<Theo>

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In a message dated 9/14/2003 8:26:29 PM, lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:

>To my mind, it is dishonest to "retire" employees who
>had every right to expect trust and honesty.
>
No doubt about it.
<Theo>

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In a message dated 9/14/2003 8:43:17 PM, lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:

>Do you like soccer, Theo?
-----I even worked for the KNVB for a while. The Royal Dutch Soccerball
Organization. My daddy liked it the best, because I'd get free international
tickets. I too have had several ^careers^, but I liked writing for a paper the best.
Theo

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At 07:54 PM 9/14/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> > That to me became a major factor after my early
> > adulthood.  In my
> > twenties, it was not something I thought about.
> > Retirement seemed like
> > an alien concept.  By my mid thirties or so,
> > however, I recognized the
> > importance of such matters.  And I am glad that
> > realization kicked in.
> > My life right now is much happier because of it.
>
>I never thought about the future until I was
>approaching my tenth year in the same job.  Tomorrow
>is my employment anniversary - 28 years.

Next month will be my 36th.

Betty

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02003-09-14 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >approaching my tenth year in the same job.  Tomorrow
> >is my employment anniversary - 28 years.
>
> Next month will be my 36th.

Time to meet new people.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I think that the idea of trusting an employer went out about 20 years

I trust my employer.

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> As to football content, Auburn and Alabama are
> miserable this year, so I may have to hitch my star to

Be of good cheer.  We always play both Auburn and Alabama, so they have
resounding triumphs to look forward to.

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
> >... But the native of this
> >dustbowl area (the specific area wasn't identified) said to his wife,
> >"It's just heat lightning."  Does "heat lightning" ever seem that much
> >like a real thunderstorm about to happen?
>
> My guess is that "heat lightning" is cloud-to-cloud lightning viewed from
> afar and doesn't necessarily portend a real (rain, lightning, thunder)
> thunderstorm.

That's what I grew up thinking it was (as in how it appeared -- not
necessarily exactly how it worked).  What I've always called heat
lightning appears far away and has nothing to do with a real
thunderstorm.  But judging from what Karen said, it may be different in
the Midwest -- like in the movie last night, the setting of which
(except for the part in Camden, ME) was never made clear -- just that it
was "the prairies."  It did finally rain in the end.  And they lived
happily ever after.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> I think that the idea of trusting an employer went out about 20 years
>
>I trust my employer.

!

Exactly whom do you perceive your employer to be?

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >I trust my employer.
>
> !
>
> Exactly whom do you perceive your employer to be?

Mississippi State University -- though I don't think I've been hired yet
for this semester, so I am perhaps not technically employed at the
moment.  But I will be.  And it is "Mississippi State University" that I
write on various forms asking for my employer and from whom I get a W2
at tax time, etc. etc.

Now I must turn off the computer and get ready to head to work in my
non-job.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> "clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
> > >... But the native of this
> > >dustbowl area (the specific area wasn't identified) said to his
wife,
> > >"It's just heat lightning."  Does "heat lightning" ever seem that
much
> > >like a real thunderstorm about to happen?

What I have always called heat lightning looks like patches
of light in the sky . . as if the clouds were suddenly backlit.
We also say "it's just heat lightning."

A more serious kind of lightning comes in bolts.

              - D. M.

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On Monday, September 15, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> I think that the idea of trusting an employer went out about 20 years

> I trust my employer.

You're of the generation that had only one or two, so that makes
sense.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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Are just itchier than others, I guess.

I have half a dozen mosquito bites on the one foot I stuck out from
under the covers night before last and they are driving me crazy, and
NOTHING HELPS. I've tried the Benadryl anti-itch stick and the Rhuli
gel and the Rhuli spray. Usually by this time of year I've had so many
mosquito bites I hardly react at all, but these mosquito bites are
SPECIAL. (I think they are too small to be spider bites, and we don't
get black fly.)

I'm not a bug spray person, but I finally went out and bought some
yesterday in hopes that I won't have to endure this again.

Karen

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> > Too bad about your travel restrictions. (I tip well.)
>
>Non-negotiable?

The part about the Mason-Dixon line?   Yes.  Definitely.


bonnie

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>> > Too bad about your travel restrictions. (I tip well.)
>>
>>Non-negotiable?
>
>The part about the Mason-Dixon line?   Yes.  Definitely.

Here's some of the cakes and cookies that I bake at the Inn:

blueberry streusel coffee cake in a tube pan
Happy apple cake which is an apple streusel coffee cake much like the
above, both with sour cream
Banana bread
Zucchini bread
Pumpkin bread
A layered raspberry, cream cheese cake in a spring form pan
A blueberry streusel bread, very popular but odd to make

Ginger, molasses cookies
Chocolate chip cookies, sometimes they also have nuts and chocolate-covered
raisins
Oatmeal cookies


bonnie

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> > Yes, exactly like that.  Usually, Susan says:  "Bonnie the Inn is full of
> > Southerners.  Try to be nice."
>
>You two seem to be amazingly unpleasant people. Hope you have
>to rely on sucky Southerners for business.

Read a blog on Southern customs, Tushar.  This is perfectly
acceptable.  The culture demands being pleasant to one's face.  It matters
not at all what is said behind the back.


bonnie

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>Upon consideration, I believe you are right, and I
>have indeed been fortunate.  My boss is an honest man;
>perhaps I am in the minority.

I don't see that honesty has a lot to do with it.  One can be honest and
still ruthless.


bonnie

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>  Does "heat lightning" ever seem that much
>like a real thunderstorm about to happen?

I didn't think so.  I thought it was cloud to cloud lightning.

>Hey, Bonnie -- the dustbowl wife was a native of Maine, and she and her
>stepchildren went to Maine for a while after the barn burned down, but
>she chose to go back to "the prairie."  Different strokes for different
>folks.     -- Natalie

Amazing.  She must not have been from the coast of Maine.  I can't imagine
leaving the ocean for the prairie.


bonnie

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He's speaking at MSU next week.  "Speaking to college students
is an extension of his desire to make a difference.  Zohn shares
with them his belief in the importance of personal character,
citing it as the reason he won 'Survivor: Africa.'"
-- Starkville Daily News (the online edition of which updates
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   --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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Next month will be my 36th.

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Wow! Hats off to BB!

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>  It did finally rain in the end.  And they lived happily ever after.
>  -- Natalie

Thanks a lot for spoiling the movie for the rest of us.  What was the name
of it again??


bonnie

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On Monday, September 15, 2003, bonniev wrote:
>>  Does "heat lightning" ever seem that much
>>like a real thunderstorm about to happen?

> I didn't think so.  I thought it was cloud to cloud lightning.

What I saw was amazing cloud-to-ground lightning. The Weather Channel
Glossary says "Lightning that appears as a glowing flash
on the horizon. It is actually lightning occurring in distant
thunderstorms, just over the horizon and too far away for thunder to
be heard."

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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my tenth year in the same job.
> Tomorrow
> > >is my employment anniversary - 28 years.
> >
> > Next month will be my 36th.
>
> Time to meet new people.

I've looked.  There ARE no new people.


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M-W sez: "vivid and extensive flashes of electric light without
thunder seen near the horizon especially at the close of a hot day and
ascribed to far-off lightning reflected by high clouds" That must be
why it appears to be cloud-to-cloud. What I saw was closer than the
horizon, but far enough away for no rain.

Karen

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There's a picture in today's SDN of Starkville High School
students who made perfect scores on the state Algebra test.
They are Lisa Fulgham, Michael Kim, Salaa Dakhlalla, and Helen
Zhang.  The fifth perfect score was by Eun Joo Choe, not
pictured.  The appearance of those pictured, along with the
names, suggests to me that only one of the five is a USAer.
The others may be, of course -- but probably their parents
weren't.  Why do foreigners seem to outperform locals on tests
like this?  Is it nature or nurture?

I am not making sweeping generalizations based on five SHS
students.  I'm adding it to what I've read in various news
sources through the years about the top scholarship students
in US colleges being Asians, etc. etc.
   --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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>Why do foreigners seem to outperform locals on tests
>like this?  Is it nature or nurture?
>    --Natalie Maynor


Because, like Avis, they try harder.


bonnie

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On Monday, September 15, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Why do foreigners seem to outperform locals on tests
> like this?  Is it nature or nurture?

Nurture.

> I am not making sweeping generalizations based on five SHS
> students.  I'm adding it to what I've read in various news
> sources through the years about the top scholarship students
> in US colleges being Asians, etc. etc.

The articles I've read on the topic talk about a) the fact that
education is highly valued in other cultures vs. US culture where
celebrity is highly valued and b) because of (a), studying is more
central to family life.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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What level of mechanization does an entity have to
reach in order to be characterized as an

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At 06:20 AM 9/15/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
>What level of mechanization does an entity have to
>reach in order to be characterized as an

about average...

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http://canada.com/national/story.asp?id=C558D2DC-C87E-4A1E-86F3-989A8AF4EA13

"TORONTO -- The first puff on a cigarette could be enough to hook a
young teenager into addiction, according to new Canadian research.

The extraordinary findings upend the prevailing view about nicotine
addiction being a slowly acquired process that occurs only after
several years of heavy smoking, suggesting instead that some young
people show the first signs of addiction almost immediately after
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At 05:43 AM 9/15/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I trust my employer.

Within limits, I trusted mine.  I trusted it to stay in business---and it
did, still does, although there was a close call or two.  The
retirement/pension program, happily, is separate from the agency, so that
no top-management interference or raids on the pension treasury were/are
possible.  I didn't put much trust in whatever reward/promotion scheme was
in vogue at the moment---or for that matter, any new scheme by the
personnel (Human Resources) types to simplify or improve things.

cwv

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--- "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@GWI.NET> wrote:
> At 06:20 AM 9/15/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
> >What level of mechanization does an entity have to
> >reach in order to be characterized as an
>
> about average...

Like, for example, is Iceland?


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On Monday, September 15, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> --- "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@GWI.NET> wrote:
>> At 06:20 AM 9/15/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> >What level of mechanization does an entity have to
>> >reach in order to be characterized as an
>>
>> about average...

> Like, for example, is Iceland?

I think Iceland is decidely above average.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
>  Is it nature or nurture?
>
>    --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

imho, there's very little socially for them to do but their school work, and
we all know, given that education mostly centers on the capacities of the
average student, or even below average, that if you try you can get high
grades and excel quite easily.  I just think foreign students lack
distractions, and have school work outlined for them so they work on it, and
not so surprisingly, they excel... they simply are *with* the program,
unlike so many native/indigenous students.

'Alan

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On Monday, September 15, 2003, Alan Wild wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
>>  Is it nature or nurture?
>>
>>    --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

> imho, there's very little socially for them to do but their school work,

What makes you say this?!

> I just think foreign students lack distractions,

We don't know that these were foreign students. Have you ever lived
abroad or had a foreign exchange student live with you? IME,
everything is a distraction, because it's all new to you.

> and have school work outlined for them so they work on it, and
> not so surprisingly, they excel... they simply are *with* the program,
> unlike so many native/indigenous students.

If we're talking about foreign students--which I frankly didn't think
we were--most of them come from better school systems. I'm sure Rita
will have much to say on this topic.

You can't assume someone is a foreigner just because they have a funny
name.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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Natalie:
>> And what a mistake that turned out to be.
> Why?

>From a purely vulgar point of view, the
members of the SEC divvy up a _lot_ more
filthy lucre than have-not conferences
like Tulane's.

There's also the prestige involved, as
well as a much more interesting set of
opponents.

As recently as a few weeks before the
season, Tulane was contemplating
dropping football entirely.  As in
closing up shop, just like that.

TU athletics is a sorry mess.

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Natalie:
> countries, Mississippi State truly is "The People's University"

Sounds vaguely North Korean or something.

--
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>As recently as a few weeks before the
>season, Tulane was contemplating
>dropping football entirely.  As in
>closing up shop, just like that.
>
>TU athletics is a sorry mess.

Do they still have crew?


bonnie

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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 07:18:32 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>Are just itchier than others, I guess.
>
>I have half a dozen mosquito bites on the one foot I stuck out from
>under the covers night before last and they are driving me crazy, and
>NOTHING HELPS. I've tried the Benadryl anti-itch stick and the Rhuli
>gel and the Rhuli spray. Usually by this time of year I've had so many
>mosquito bites I hardly react at all, but these mosquito bites are
>SPECIAL. (I think they are too small to be spider bites, and we don't
>get black fly.)
>
>I'm not a bug spray person, but I finally went out and bought some
>yesterday in hopes that I won't have to endure this again.
>
>Karen

There are any number of itchy bites. The ones I have the worst reaction to
are "no-see-um" bits (smaller than gnats). They are sometimes so bad after
a hatch at camp that they drive me out of bed.

Among the things I find helpful are:
Water. Soak in the tub. Try adding baking soda or Epsom Salts to the water.

Ammonia. Some anti-itch sticks are really about .0002 cents worth of
 ammonia. In a bottle at the pharmacy, it's cheap.

clo

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02003-09-15 | bonniev <bonniev@GWI.NET> writes:
> >> Yes, exactly like that.  Usually, Susan says:  "Bonnie the Inn is full of
> >> Southerners.  Try to be nice."
> >
> >You two seem to be amazingly unpleasant people. Hope you have
> >to rely on sucky Southerners for business.
>
> Read a blog on Southern customs, Tushar.  This is perfectly
> acceptable.  The culture demands being pleasant to one's face.
> It matters not at all what is said behind the back.

I am aware of your in-depth knowledge of the culture. It doesn't
really contradict my post, does it. I do sincerely wish that you
have to rely on them for business.

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> On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 07:18:32 -0500, Karen Kay
>
> >I have half a dozen mosquito bites on the one foot I stuck out from
> >under the covers night before last and they are driving me crazy, and
> >NOTHING HELPS.

    Adolphs Meat Tenderizer.

JMW

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02003-09-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > I am not making sweeping generalizations based on five SHS
> > students.  I'm adding it to what I've read in various news
> > sources through the years about the top scholarship students
> > in US colleges being Asians, etc. etc.
>
> The articles I've read on the topic talk about a) the fact that
> education is highly valued in other cultures vs. US culture where
> celebrity is highly valued and b) because of (a), studying is more
> central to family life.

Huh? American families where education is valued don't live
in Starkville. Whereas foreign families pretty much live in
any strange place in America, whether valuing education or
not. Within a generation they will have a clue about where
to go find their type, and properly accord to American
pretensions. They will have the money to do it too--it's
not completely arbitrary ...

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> I am aware of your in-depth knowledge of the
> culture. It doesn't
> really contradict my post, does it. I do sincerely
> wish that you
> have to rely on them for business.

It wouldn't be taken amiss if bonniev were to send
along some of those goodies she bakes - to sweeten us
up, not to make amends.


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>It wouldn't be taken amiss if bonniev were to send
>along some of those goodies she bakes - to sweeten usup, not to make amends.

Whoa! What a *Southern* thing to do! :)

AS, who marvels that anyone should think that sucky human behavior is
categorized by geographical area ...

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> Huh? American families where education is valued
> don't live
> in Starkville. Whereas foreign families pretty much
> live in
> any strange place in America, whether valuing
> education or
> not. Within a generation they will have a clue about
> where
> to go find their type, and properly accord to
> American
> pretensions. They will have the money to do it
> too--it's
> not completely arbitrary ...

IMO, it's because they apply themselves as though
there is no tomorrow.  I believe that they are
absolutely single-minded in the pursuit of the
American dream, and education is the sparkling path.

U.S. kids whose families can afford to send them to
college also know, even if subconsciously, that there
is a built-in bailout system, if they fail.

This is, of course, a gross simplification.  There
must be many facets to the whole phenomenon, least of
which may be the subliminal spur to beat the U.S.
college kids at their own game.


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Adam Hartfield:
= > It's stored in Oracle databases.
=
= I attempted earlier this week at work to set up an Oracle 9i database on my
= machine.
=
= I got the database created and configured fine, but was stymied by the
= backup application. Long story short, my machine is now happily running
= Microsoft SQL Server 2000, which backed up directly to my DAT drive quite
= happily.
=

You should've asked.  All you have to do is bring the database
down and backup the files.  That said, I've still never seen
Oracle running on MS, and I have no idea what the backup
application you're talking about is, so what the hell do I know.

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On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>> Too bad about your travel restrictions. (I tip
>> well.)
>
>Non-negotiable?

Huh?

Bethany

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In a message dated 9/15/2003 10:09:46 AM, lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:

>This is, of course, a gross simplification.  There
>must be many facets to the whole phenomenon, least of
>which may be the subliminal spur to beat the U.S.
>college kids at their own game.
>
There you have it; foreign kids don't think of knowledge as being just a
game. Education is serious and necessary for life.
It has been taught them from day one.
Now I'm beginning to think that it isn't so important if you don't keep in
good shape. Although I have to admit that mine that lost on account of American
stupidity, alas.
<Theo>

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> > >> Yes, exactly like that.  Usually, Susan says:  "Bonnie the Inn is
> full of
> > >> Southerners.  Try to be nice."
> > >
> > >You two seem to be amazingly unpleasant people. Hope you have
> > >to rely on sucky Southerners for business.
> >
> > Read a blog on Southern customs, Tushar.  This is perfectly
> > acceptable.  The culture demands being pleasant to one's face.
> > It matters not at all what is said behind the back.
>
>I am aware of your in-depth knowledge of the culture. It doesn't
>really contradict my post, does it. I do sincerely wish that you
>have to rely on them for business.

Thank you for your kind thoughts.  But I, personally, do not need to rely
on anyone for business.


bonnie

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> Do they still have crew?

http://www.tulane.edu/~sports/Rowing.html

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Hahaha! Better late than never: http://www.computerworld.com/careertopics/careers/labor/story/0,10801,84897,00.html?nas=CAR-84897

or http://tinyurl.com/nfgi


Karen

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On Monday, September 15, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> This is, of course, a gross simplification.

Indeed.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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>From a local list.

Karen

"(hmmm ... this may be one to send to your legislators! ;-)

Bush Lays Off Congress; will Outsource Lawmaking to India

Reuters International Release

Washington - Citing the growing cost of running the Federal government and
the need to cut costs in order to reduce the budget deficit, President Bush
announced today that he was laying off all 535 members of Congress and
transferring lawmaking operations to a legislative support center in
Bangalore, India. "Hey, outsourcing is the way to go these days," said Bush
at an impromptu news conference where he announced the decision, adding,
"the American people want to see less government waste. Since every one of
those ex-Congressmen had a salary of $150,000, this move will cut our costs
by over $80 million per year, and that's not even counting what we'll save
on health insurance and retirement plans." Sources indicate that the Indian
replacements will be paid approximately $250 per month.

However, the changes won't take effect immediatly, Bush said. "Members of
congress could remain on the job an extra 30 days if they agree to train
their replacements. If you think about it, this really frees congress up.
They now have the opportunity to seek better jobs elsewhere in the economy.
It really is a win-win for both countries," he went on to say.

The outcry from the newly laid-off Senators and Representatives was swift.
Ex-California Senator Diane Feinstein said, "This is absolutely outrageous.
How can a bunch of replacements over in India run Congress? What do they
know about filibusters and committee hearings?" As she was being escorted
out of the Hart Senate Office Building by U.S. Capitol Police officers,
Feinstein complained that the newly-terminated lawmakers, those who chose
not to train their replacements, were only given ten minutes to clean out
their desks and leave the building.

"I think it's a great idea," said Vice President Dick Cheney, speaking from
a secure undisclosed location. "The American people were fed up with that
expensive do-nothing Congress which didn't always give the President
everything he asked for. Our new Indian replacements will be much more
cooperative to the President, which is what we all want."

Asked whether the outsourcing may be unconstitutional, Cheney noted,
"That's up to the Supreme Court to decide, but as you know, they usually
see things our way."

The new members of Congress seem thrilled with the attention they are
receiving. Speaking from the offices of All-India Legislative Support
Centre Ltd. in Bangalore, new Mississippi Senator Ramchandra Shekar Gupta
told reporters, "The Indian people are very hard working and we will do our
best as U.S. Congressmen and Congresswomen. And we are going to have some
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>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>

>On Sunday, September 14, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > IMO, everyone has to trust someone else in his life.
>
>True, I guess.

Why?  I think it's useful to be able to predict that other people's behavior
will fall into a certain range, which is a kind of trust I suppose, but
generally I don't find it necessary to trust anyone.

>I think that the idea of trusting an employer went out about 20 years
>ago. We are all entrepreneurs on this bus. Some of us more failed than
>others.

I suspect you're taking the short view.  I'm sure trust in employers died
out much, much longer ago than 20 years.

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02003-09-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Hahaha! Better late than never: http://www.computerworld.com/careertopics/careers/labor/story/0,10801,84897,00.html?nas=CAR-84897

K-R-N ...

Did you read the article? It's a reduction in new H1Bs, i.e.
fewer foreigners coming to work in the US. What do you think
it means? That those jobs are going to be done by ... whom?

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> Did you read the article? It's a reduction in new
> H1Bs, i.e.
> fewer foreigners coming to work in the US. What do
> you think
> it means? That those jobs are going to be done by
> ... whom?

Those jobs will be outsourced to Iceland, what else?


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02003-09-15 | Amy Burns Short <amy.short@MURRAYSTATE.EDU> writes:
> >It wouldn't be taken amiss if bonniev were to send
> >along some of those goodies she bakes - to sweeten usup, not to make amends.
>
> Whoa! What a *Southern* thing to do! :)
>
> AS, who marvels that anyone should think that sucky human behavior is
> categorized by geographical area ...

Sucky Southern behavior is a distinct type of sucky behavior.
Nobody else in the civilized world is nice to one's face and
rude behind their backs. It is unique to the South.

This is analogous to another well-known phenomenon: "Southern
racism". Apparently, racism, where it occurs in the South, is
so qualitatively different that other parts of the US may not
be said to have racism at all. Observe the number of times
people use this phrase without preface or apology--they
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02003-09-15 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > Did you read the article? It's a reduction in new H1Bs, i.e.
> > fewer foreigners coming to work in the US. What do you think
> > it means? That those jobs are going to be done by ... whom?
>
> Those jobs will be outsourced to Iceland, what else?

Hahaha! Better late than never!

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On Monday, September 15, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-09-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Hahaha! Better late than never: http://www.computerworld.com/careertopics/careers/labor/story/0,10801,84897,00.html?nas=CAR-84897

> K-R-N ...

> Did you read the article? It's a reduction in new H1Bs, i.e.
> fewer foreigners coming to work in the US. What do you think
> it means? That those jobs are going to be done by ... whom?

You act as if you think those jobs will remain in the US. I'm pretty
sure they won't.

Karen
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On Monday, September 15, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
>>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>>On Sunday, September 14, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> > IMO, everyone has to trust someone else in his life.
>>
>>True, I guess.

> Why?  I think it's useful to be able to predict that other people's behavior
> will fall into a certain range, which is a kind of trust I suppose,

This concept always amuses me--which I guess is why I placed in the
Asperger's range on those tests.

> but generally I don't find it necessary to trust anyone.

Do you trust your wife?

>>I think that the idea of trusting an employer went out about 20 years
>>ago. We are all entrepreneurs on this bus. Some of us more failed than
>>others.

> I suspect you're taking the short view.  I'm sure trust in employers died
> out much, much longer ago than 20 years.

It's cyclic.

Karen
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02003-09-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Monday, September 15, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-09-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> Hahaha! Better late than never: http://www.computerworld.com/careertopics/careers/labor/story/0,10801,84897,00.html?nas=CAR-84897
>
> > K-R-N ...
>
> > Did you read the article? It's a reduction in new H1Bs, i.e.
> > fewer foreigners coming to work in the US. What do you think
> > it means? That those jobs are going to be done by ... whom?
>
> You act as if you think those jobs will remain in the US. I'm pretty
> sure they won't.

Well slap my fro!

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On Monday, September 15, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-09-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Monday, September 15, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > 02003-09-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> >> Hahaha! Better late than never: http://www.computerworld.com/careertopics/careers/labor/story/0,10801,84897,00.html?nas=CAR-84897
>>
>> > K-R-N ...
>>
>> > Did you read the article? It's a reduction in new H1Bs, i.e.
>> > fewer foreigners coming to work in the US. What do you think
>> > it means? That those jobs are going to be done by ... whom?
>>
>> You act as if you think those jobs will remain in the US. I'm pretty
>> sure they won't.

> Well slap my fro!

You don't have one.

Karen
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On Monday, September 15, 2003, John Williams wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 07:18:32 -0500, Karen Kay
>>
>> >I have half a dozen mosquito bites on the one foot I stuck out from
>> >under the covers night before last and they are driving me crazy, and
>> >NOTHING HELPS.

>     Adolphs Meat Tenderizer.

I don't have any--all I have is A-1.:(

Karen
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> > Well slap my fro!
>
> You don't have one.
>

When did you last see him?  As a matter of fact, has
anyone ever seen Theo and T.S. together?

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On Monday, September 15, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> > Well slap my fro!
>>
>> You don't have one.
>>

> When did you last see him?

Last Christmas. He got me drunk on Cosmopolitans and had his way with
me.

> As a matter of fact, has
> anyone ever seen Theo and T.S. together?

Alyce, who died a short while back, knew Theo from another list before
they came here.

Karen
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:18:15 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
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>02003-09-15 | Amy Burns Short <amy.short@MURRAYSTATE.EDU> writes:
>> >It wouldn't be taken amiss if bonniev were to send
>> >along some of those goodies she bakes - to sweeten usup, not to make
amends.
>>
>> Whoa! What a *Southern* thing to do! :)
>>
>> AS, who marvels that anyone should think that sucky human behavior is
>> categorized by geographical area ...
>
>Sucky Southern behavior is a distinct type of sucky behavior.
>Nobody else in the civilized world is nice to one's face and
>rude behind their backs. It is unique to the South.
>
>This is analogous to another well-known phenomenon: "Southern
>racism". Apparently, racism, where it occurs in the South, is
>so qualitatively different that other parts of the US may not
>be said to have racism at all. Observe the number of times
>people use this phrase without preface or apology--they
>wouldn't do it if it weren't true.

Yes, this makes my mother very hot under the collar.
clo

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> Last Christmas. He got me drunk on Cosmopolitans and
> had his way with
> me.

What's in a Cosmopolitan, so I'll know what I'm
missing?
>
> > As a matter of fact, has
> > anyone ever seen Theo and T.S. together?
>
> Alyce, who died a short while back, knew Theo from
> another list before
> they came here.

This is evading the issue.


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On Monday, September 15, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
>> Alyce, who died a short while back, knew Theo from another list before
>> they came here.

> Oh, you don't think Alyce would cover up for TS?! She adored him!

Cover up for TS? Sure. Was that the question?

Karen
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The Bottom Line may be closing! :-(

>From http://www.bottomlinecabaret.com/ :

The doors may soon close on a thirty year legacy.

The Bottom Line has been presenting live music since February 12, 1974, and is owned and operated by Allan Pepper and Stanley Snadowsky, who have been friends since childhood. The Bottom Line is unique because it is a "mom & pop store" amidst a crowded field of conglomerates and corporations. Our main commodity in the club has always been and will always be the music.

The Bottom Line has always been, and still is, run by Allan & Stanley, who take a great pride in what they do. They always have and still love the music.

The problem is as follows:

Even before the terrorist attacks on the World Trader Center, the nation was already feeling the downturn in the economy. Our business, along with so many other small businesses, has not been able to recover since the tragedy of September 11th. Attendance to shows has declined. In addition, our customers are feeling economic stress, our bills have been multiplying, and we have found ourselves substantially behind in our rent. Our landlord, New York University, has started eviction proceedings.

During our negotiations with New York University to resolve this situation, the Bottom Line has presented several different proposals to pay our past due rent, while at the same time keeping current with a new, higher rent proposed by NYU. Unfortunately, NYU has not been open to negotiating a long-term solution to our mutual problem. We want to pay off our debt to NYU, but to do so we need to remain in business. To stay in business, we need a promise from NYU that, if we pay off the rental arrears, they won't evict the Bottom Line.

Unless we can sway NYU to give us this basic assurance, we won't be able to take the steps necessary to save the Bottom Line. If you'd like to help, here's what you can do.

Let NYU know how important the Bottom Line is to the metropolitan area and what a loss it would be if the city was downsized by another landmark - particularly if you are an alumnus/a of NYU. Send a note to John Beckman assistant vice president of the Office of Public Affairs at john.beckman@nyu.edu or Lynne Brown, the VP for University Relations and Public Affairs at NYU at lynne.brown@nyu.edu. Please send us a copy at SaveBLT@aol.com - and please forward this message to your friends.

Please support The Bottom Line now. Do not put off seeing a show today because we may not have a tomorrow.

You can e-mail us at: SaveBLT@aol.com

Thank you for your support.

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On Monday, September 15, 2003, Theo Groothof wrote:
> Hey, leave me out of this! My PT just left and I'm enough pain as it is. I
> know that pain and physical exercise start with the same letter, but do they
> have to use that as an excuse to come to my house and torture me?

Surely you asked for this? If not, I'm confident you could stop it.
Unfortunately, you can't stop the consequences.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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In a message dated 9/15/2003 12:50:39 PM, lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:

>When did you last see him?  As a matter of fact, has
>anyone ever seen Theo and T.S. together?
>
Hey, leave me out of this! My PT just left and I'm enough pain as it is. I
know that pain and physical exercise start with the same letter, but do they
have to use that as an excuse to come to my house and torture me?
<Theo>

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bonniev wrote:

> >Hey, Bonnie -- the dustbowl wife was a native of Maine, and she and her
> >stepchildren went to Maine for a while after the barn burned down, but
> >she chose to go back to "the prairie."  Different strokes for different
> >folks.     -- Natalie
>
> Amazing.  She must not have been from the coast of Maine.

Camden.  In a wonderful house with a big yard that went right down to
the water.

> I can't imagine
> leaving the ocean for the prairie.

She was in love with Jacob.  And his heart was in the prairie.

--
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bonniev wrote:
>
> >  It did finally rain in the end.  And they lived happily ever after.
> >  -- Natalie
>
> Thanks a lot for spoiling the movie for the rest of us.  What was the name
> of it again??

I didn't spoil anything.  For one thing, I don't remember the name of
the movie so you won't know whether you're watching the one I watched.
There might be lots of movies involving drought, heat lightning that
seems extreme, burned-down barns, stepchildren, a temporary move back to
Camden, Maine, and a husband named Jacob with his heart in the prairie.
And for another, it was a Hallmark movie.  I knew how it would end from
its very beginning.

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

>  I didn't put much trust in whatever reward/promotion scheme was
> in vogue at the moment---or for that matter, any new scheme by the
> personnel (Human Resources) types to simplify or improve things.

I don't think our Human Resources office makes decisions.  It does the
paperwork to help in implementing decisions made by people in
decision-making positions.

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In a message dated 9/15/2003 1:08:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Those jobs will be outsourced to Iceland, what else?

>>

Well, Santa's elves need work 11 months out of the year.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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Alan Wild wrote:

> imho, there's very little socially for them to do but their school work, and

I find that weird.  If talking about people like exchange students
(which I'm not really), I think they have tons of social life.  Many
people love getting to know exchange students.  If talking about
students who have moved here from foreign countries or who are perhaps
first-generation USAers, I've never noticed any isolation from the usual
social life.  I'm talking about k-12 students now, not college
students.  I think many of the foreign students in college may keep to
themselves to a greater extent than hs students do.

Probably all of those SHS students in today's newspaper are children of
MSU faculty or grad students.  In the former case they have perhaps been
here for many years, were possibly born here.  In the latter, they're
here temporarily while a parent (most likely father) gets a PhD or
whatever.  In all of those cases I think that they would have pretty
normal social lives.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:21:29 -0400
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--On Sunday, September 14, 2003 10:39 PM -0400 "clyde w. voigtlander"
<cwv@GWI.NET> wrote:

>
> If I interpret Lynne's post correctly---and add my own and others
> experiences, some of what is lost by the <first in-first out> process is
> the loss of institutional memory.  This was true in my case.  My

Institutional memory is a very important knowledge base for many companies.
Equally important for many companies today are innovative ideas allowing
companies to compete globally.  The concept that technology is an important
player is evident in the economic idea of a New Economy driven by
technology.  Most of this comes from the economic sector, Kevin Kelly,
Bradford DeLong, Shapiro and Varian to name a few.

The prized worker is considered the knowledge worker who's skills and
knowledge are viable resources, thus allowing the worker to drive his own
competitive edge regarding employment.  Although this idea can be seen in
the late 90s, and primarily in the tech sector, there is still a lot of
speculation as to whether a New Economy is a lasting phenomena.

So, it is likely the concept of multiple job changing is just a response to
current economic/business trends, and just as clo said, the idea of not
changing jobs in the past had to do with what the corporate sense of the
time was.

Terry

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02003-09-15 | Terry Wild <twild@URI.EDU> writes:
> Institutional memory is a very important knowledge base for many companies.
> Equally important for many companies today are innovative ideas allowing
> companies to compete globally.  The concept that technology is an important
> player is evident in the economic idea of a New Economy driven by
> technology.  Most of this comes from the economic sector, Kevin Kelly,
> Bradford DeLong, Shapiro and Varian to name a few.
>
> The prized worker is considered the knowledge worker who's skills and
> knowledge are viable resources, thus allowing the worker to drive his own
> competitive edge regarding employment.  Although this idea can be seen in
> the late 90s, and primarily in the tech sector, there is still a lot of
> speculation as to whether a New Economy is a lasting phenomena.
>
> So, it is likely the concept of multiple job changing is just a response to
> current economic/business trends, and just as clo said, the idea of not
> changing jobs in the past had to do with what the corporate sense of the
> time was.

WHO TOOK OVER YOUR ACCOUNT?!!@

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In a message dated 9/15/2003 5:09:12 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
<<
I didn't spoil anything.  For one thing, I don't remember the name of
the movie so you won't know whether you're watching the one I watched.
There might be lots of movies involving drought, heat lightning that
seems extreme, burned-down barns, stepchildren, a temporary move back to
Camden, Maine, and a husband named Jacob with his heart in the prairie.

>>

Was Glenn Close in this one?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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On Monday, September 15, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> Last Christmas. He got me drunk on Cosmopolitans and
>> had his way with
>> me.

> What's in a Cosmopolitan, so I'll know what I'm
> missing?
>>
>> > As a matter of fact, has
>> > anyone ever seen Theo and T.S. together?
>>
>> Alyce, who died a short while back, knew Theo from
>> another list before
>> they came here.

> This is evading the issue.

No, sweetie. It's the wordsler thing: I'm discussing this topic in the
way I want to.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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> Alyce, who died a short while back, knew Theo from another list before
> they came here.

Oh, you don't think Alyce would cover up for TS?! She adored him!

Marie

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On Monday, September 15, 2003, Terry Wild wrote:
> Institutional memory is a very important knowledge base for many companies.

I've never worked at a company that significantly valued their
institutional memory. Part of this is that tech companies get bought
up and it's in the interest of the buyer to command loyalty by not
providing a way for the memory of the former company to continue.

> The concept that technology is an important player is evident in the
> economic idea of a New Economy driven by technology.

This is a concept not supported by reality. The reality is that the
support for technology--and thus knowledge of technology--is all going
overseas. I got e-mail from someone who just got laid off at
Visa; he's supposed to spend his last two weeks training his
replacement in India.

> The prized worker is considered the knowledge worker who's skills and
> knowledge are viable resources, thus allowing the worker to drive his own
> competitive edge regarding employment.

Sorry; I think we passed this about 5 years ago. I don't think skills
or knowledge have much to do with employment.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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In a message dated 9/15/2003 3:03:57 PM, clostran@SYR.EDU writes:

>Stiff upper lip, Theo!
---
Stiff isn't a word found in my vocabulary, sweety. It went out right around
the time I learned about the 'other sex'.
But I guess there ain't no other choice, eh? Worst part is she's returning
this Friday. Couldn't they have sent a good looking guy?
<Theo>

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hominy cricket wrote:
>
> Natalie:
> >> And what a mistake that turned out to be.
> > Why?
>
> >From a purely vulgar point of view, the
> members of the SEC divvy up a _lot_ more
> filthy lucre than have-not conferences
> like Tulane's.

This is true.  It would be harder to support athletic teams without that
money.  Every SEC team that plays in a bowl game means more money for
our athletic program.  And, of course, the money from football tickets,
which is no doubt larger for SEC schools than for Tulane, covers all the
rest of our athletic teams.  I had heard that said and asked a former
MSU pres about it a year or so ago.  He said that it is indeed true.
Football is quite profitable.

> There's also the prestige involved, as
> well as a much more interesting set of
> opponents.

Football prestige, yes.  But I'm not sure how much otherwise prestigious
schools care about football prestige.  How many outstanding high school
seniors decide between Harvard and Princeton based on who won the last
football game?  Or Tulane and Vanderbilt?

> As recently as a few weeks before the
> season, Tulane was contemplating
> dropping football entirely.  As in
> closing up shop, just like that.

I guess you've read that Vanderbilt has suddenly abolished its football
program as a separate entity -- it's now lumped with intramurals and
stuff.  One reason I asked when Tulane had left the SEC and then asked
why you thought it wasn't good was that I remember wondering years ago
why Tulane left the SEC but Vanderbilt didn't.  They were kind of a
<pair> -- good schools, bad football teams.

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hominy cricket wrote:
>
> Natalie:
> > countries, Mississippi State truly is "The People's University"
>
> Sounds vaguely North Korean or something.

Yep.  I fit well.  My RRB has always called me a communist.  But then he
also has always been an MSU sports fan.  Odd.

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Among the things I find helpful are:
> Water. Soak in the tub. Try adding baking soda or Epsom Salts to the water.
>
> Ammonia. Some anti-itch sticks are really about .0002 cents worth of
>  ammonia. In a bottle at the pharmacy, it's cheap.

Aloe vera ooze.  It cures bites in an instant.

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In a message dated 9/15/2003 8:20:50 AM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
What level of mechanization does an entity have to
reach in order to be characterized as an

>>

Star Trek Q, James Bond Q, or some other Q?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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On Monday, September 15, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>> Among the things I find helpful are:
>> Water. Soak in the tub. Try adding baking soda or Epsom Salts to the water.
>>
>> Ammonia. Some anti-itch sticks are really about .0002 cents worth of
>>  ammonia. In a bottle at the pharmacy, it's cheap.

> Aloe vera ooze.  It cures bites in an instant.

Aha! I will go try this now, since I have a.v. in the kitchen.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> This is, of course, a gross simplification.  There
> must be many facets to the whole phenomenon, least of
> which may be the subliminal spur to beat the U.S.
> college kids at their own game.

I was thinking more about high school students -- foreign-born or
first-generation USAers.  Foreign students at US universities are
different, imho.  For one thing, they have to be pretty good
academically to get to come, either because of the particular
university's requirements or because they are coming on scholarships
awarded by their own governments.  For another, they are usually quite
serious about getting the maximum benefit from their years studying in a
foreign country.  Etc.

The students I was wondering about aren't the ones who have come here
from their countries to go to school.  They're students who are
foreign-born or first-generation USAer, who are living with their
families in a US town.  I mentioned earlier having read about Asians
winning the majority of scholarships to some US colleges or something
like that.  I wasn't talking about students who apply to come here from
Asia to go to school.  I don't think most of the scholarships awared by
US colleges go to real <foreigners>.  I was talking about
Asian-Americans.  Isn't that what others of you have read?

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 17:47:21 -0500
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On Monday, September 15, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> They're students who are foreign-born or first-generation USAer, who
> are living with their families in a US town. I mentioned earlier
> having read about Asians winning the majority of scholarships to
> some US colleges or something like that.

Not scholarships--admissions to some universities, like UC Berkeley.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:47:47 -0400
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--On Monday, September 15, 2003 5:25 PM -0500 Tushar Samant
<scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:

> 02003-09-15 | Terry Wild <twild@URI.EDU> writes:
>> My stuff deleted...
>
> WHO TOOK OVER YOUR ACCOUNT?!!@

A bug no doubt.

Terry

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> <<
> I didn't spoil anything.  For one thing, I don't remember the name of
> the movie so you won't know whether you're watching the one I watched.
> There might be lots of movies involving drought, heat lightning that
> seems extreme, burned-down barns, stepchildren, a temporary move back to
> Camden, Maine, and a husband named Jacob with his heart in the prairie.
> >>
>
> Was Glenn Close in this one?

I don't know.  What does he look like?

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On Monday, September 15, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> Was Glenn Close in this one?

> I don't know.  What does he look like?

She. Cruella de Ville.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:56:58 -0400
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--On Monday, September 15, 2003 5:29 PM -0500 Karen Kay
<Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>
> Sorry; I think we passed this about 5 years ago. I don't think skills
> or knowledge have much to do with employment.
>

I agree.  The US companies appear not to be able to conduct business
cheaper than other places.  It sucks for US workers.

Terry

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bonnie, after Natalie:
> > I can't imagine

Well, there we have it.

This breeziness you have in dismissing,
or even ignoring, the fact that you are
a bigot -- as if it's some sort of charming
personality quirk -- is creepy.

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On Monday, September 15, 2003, Terry Wild wrote:
> I agree.  The US companies appear not to be able to conduct business
> cheaper than other places.

Do we want to have India's infrastructure?

>   It sucks for US workers.

Amen.

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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On Monday, September 15, 2003, hominy cricket wrote:
> bonnie, after Natalie:
>> > I can't imagine

> Well, there we have it.

> This breeziness you have in dismissing,
> or even ignoring, the fact that you are
> a bigot -- as if it's some sort of charming
> personality quirk -- is creepy.

Is every lack of imagination a bigotry?

I've never seen a bigotry than the redwoods in Muir Woods...

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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>the money from football tickets, which is no
>doubt larger for SEC schools than for Tulane

That's a fact.  One of the reasons my
crowd-hating self likes going to Tulane
football games is that nobody goes.

And, man, the Superdome is a BIG PLACE.

(Though they're playing two games outdoors
this year, in our teensy stadium in City
Park.  You can tailgate, they have a parade,
the whole shot.  They get, like, 25000 folks,
which isn't even a blip on the Dome's radar.)

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02003-09-15 | Theo Groothof <Dutchessg1@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 9/15/2003 3:03:57 PM, clostran@SYR.EDU writes:
>
> >Stiff upper lip, Theo!
> ---
> Stiff isn't a word found in my vocabulary, sweety. It went out right around
> the time I learned about the 'other sex'.
> But I guess there ain't no other choice, eh? Worst part is she's returning
> this Friday. Couldn't they have sent a good looking guy?
> <Theo>

Wait a minute, is this ... humor? Am I hearing HUMOR?

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--On Monday, September 15, 2003 6:02 PM -0500 Karen Kay
<Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>
> Do we want to have India's infrastructure?
>

Probably not, but I really can't say, I have no knowledge of this.

We could sure use some Yankee ingenuity!

Terry

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On Monday, September 15, 2003, Terry Wild wrote:
> We could sure use some Yankee ingenuity!

Some people think that can be outsourced, too...

Karen
"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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> I've never seen a bigotry than the redwoods in Muir Woods...
>

Wow, this is rough reading...

Terry

> Karen
> "True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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Natalie:
> > Sounds vaguely North Korean or something.
> Yep.  I fit well.  My RRB has always called me a communist.

Hey, you can be as much a communist as you
want to be.

Apropos of nothing, I'd bet that porky little
psychopath Kim is one of the few North Koreans
who knows what that smoked salmon tastes like.

--
buttering my guns

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On Monday, September 15, 2003, Terry Wild wrote:
>> I've never seen a bigotry than the redwoods in Muir Woods...
>>

> Wow, this is rough reading...

Please tell me you laughed, though.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
> >> Was Glenn Close in this one?
>
> > I don't know.  What does he look like?
>
> She. Cruella de Ville.

?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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hominy cricket wrote:

> who knows what that smoked salmon tastes like.

I wish I had some of that smoked salmon right now.  I'm suddenly hungry
and don't know what I'm going to find to eat.  If Kroger weren't so far
away, I'd go buy a chunk of smoked salmon.  Something else that sounds
good is one of those organic pizzas sold at Foodmax.  And it's closer.
But it's still farther than I want to trek right now.

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> Karen Kay wrote:
> > >> Was Glenn Close in this one?
> >
> > > I don't know.  What does he look like?
> >
> > She. Cruella de Ville.
>
> ?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Look her up on IMDB.
She's been in 50 or more movies.
Probably you have seen at least one
of them.  Then you can say,
"Oh, <that> Glenn Close.

           - D. M.

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On Monday, September 15, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > >> Was Glenn Close in this one?
>> >
>> > > I don't know.  What does he look like?
>> >
>> > She. Cruella de Ville.
>>
>> ?
>>
>> --
>>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

> Look her up on IMDB.
> She's been in 50 or more movies.
> Probably you have seen at least one
> of them.  Then you can say,
> "Oh, <that> Glenn Close.

I'm pretty sure I saw a picture of her there yesterday when I was
looking at something else.

Karen

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Karen:
> Is every lack of imagination a bigotry?

No, you're right.

Bonnie's <thing> (that she loves to bring
up with TIRESOME REGULARITY) is based on
stupidity, which I tend to link with a
lack of imagination.

But that's just me.  Before I moved here
I was as pure as the driven snow.  But
now I lie to everybody.  Weird, huh?

How I long to move back to the snow-driven
north to reclaim my pure Yankee virtues.

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In a message dated 9/15/2003 4:45:56 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

>I don't think most of the scholarships awared by
>US colleges go to real <foreigners>.  I was talking about
>Asian-Americans.  Isn't that what others of you have read?
>
Yes, and when my kids were in hs their asian friends proved it too.
Only my first born lived up to ^my^ expectations.
Unfortunately, I didn't have the needed support from my ex, and only she has
a fairly reliable job to take care of her family.
The time when *he* did that has long past I guess.
Enfin, I did my share, no guilty feelings required. Need to take care of my
own problems for a change.
<Theo>

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Look her up on IMDB.
> She's been in 50 or more movies.
> Probably you have seen at least one
> of them.  Then you can say,
> "Oh, <that> Glenn Close.

I don't like to think of characters in movies I'm watching as being
actors in other movies.  But I did just look at the blurb in the DirecTV
guide for last night's movie and found the name Glenn Close.  The
prairie was in Kansas, according to the blurb, although I have no memory
at all of that having been revealed in the movie.  I guess it must have
been if this blurb-writer knew it.  The movie was named "Skylark."

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Monday, September 15, 2003, hominy cricket wrote:
> Bonnie's <thing> (that she loves to bring
> up with TIRESOME REGULARITY) is based on
> stupidity, which I tend to link with a
> lack of imagination.

There are many imaginative, stupid people.

> But that's just me.  Before I moved here
> I was as pure as the driven snow.  But
> now I lie to everybody.  Weird, huh?

> How I long to move back to the snow-driven
> north to reclaim my pure Yankee virtues.

Living in the Quarter would corrupt anyone.

Karen

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Karen:
> Living in the Quarter would corrupt anyone.

It'd give Bonnie another opportunity to
look down her nose at tourists.

She might like it.

It's close to the water, too.


Heck, it's even _under_ the water.

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On Monday, September 15, 2003, hominy cricket wrote:
> It'd give Bonnie another opportunity to
> look down her nose at tourists.

I'm not Bonnie, but I lived in Hawaii and fed off the tourists like
anyone else: I don't like them.

> She might like it.

Maybe; more likely she doesn't care.

> It's close to the water, too.

> Heck, it's even _under_ the water.

I prefer Acadia's water, sorry.

Karen

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>How I long to move back to the snow-driven
>north to reclaim my pure Yankee virtues.

It's not too late.  Or maybe it is.

Have you ever read _A Confederacy of Dunces_ by John Kennedy Toole?  Lisa
Alfieri's mother left it here for me to read.  I'm not very far into it
yet.  But it certainly has an interesting forward by Walker Percy about how
the author's mother gave the manuscript to Percy after the author committed
suicide, partly due to the fact that he couldn't get the book
published.  In any case, it's supposed to present an accurate picture of
New Orleans.  All of this being old news, I imagine, because it was
published in 1980.


bonnie

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>Karen:
> > Living in the Quarter would corrupt anyone.
>
>It'd give Bonnie another opportunity to
>look down her nose at tourists.

Hey, wait.  Let's keep my bigotry straight.  I don't look down my nose at
<tourists>.  Just Southerners.  Nor is it really a matter of looking down
my nose.  I don't think myself better than them.  I just don't like having
to tolerate the behavior exhibited by many of them.

>She might like it.
>It's close to the water, too.
>Heck, it's even _under_ the water.

Been there.  Didn't like it.


bonnie

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> You should've asked.  All you have to do is bring the database
> down and backup the files.  That said, I've still never seen
> Oracle running on MS, and I have no idea what the backup
> application you're talking about is, so what the hell do I know.

Well, 9i was humming right along on my machine running Windows XP, sucking
up about 192 MB of RAM in its default Standard configuration with an empty
starter database.

The backup app in the Enterprise Manager Console said I didn't have the
right permissions to run it, but I was connecting sys as sysdba or
whatever...so I tried to fix the permissions. Hah. Thanks anyway.

No wonder Oracle DBAs are in demand and highly paid.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.com

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>I'm not Bonnie, but I lived in Hawaii and fed off the tourists like
>anyone else: I don't like them.
>Karen

Tourists have their charm.  I was sitting in the Opera House this morning
chatting with a few of them.  One guy from the D.C. area was trying to plan
the rest of his vacation, choosing between New Brunswick and Nova Scotia
with some questions thrown in about ferry routes, Campobello, and
P.E.I.  Somehow Tennessee came up.  By that time another couple was clearly
listening in on the conversation.  Before I said anything too bad about
Tennessee, I asked her where they were from.  She laughed and said she was
from Turtletown, Tennessee.  I said I was unfamiliar with that.  She said
it was near Ducktown and then we had a nice conversation about how Ducktown
is coming back from the environmental disaster it once was.

Last Tuesday I had a delightful talk with a guy from Gainesville,
Florida.  He is a pathologist there and we talked medical ethics.


bonnie

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--On Monday, September 15, 2003 6:12 PM -0500 Karen Kay
<Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

> Some people think that can be outsourced, too...


Damn, the end of the world must be near!

Terry

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--On Monday, September 15, 2003 6:15 PM -0500 Karen Kay
<Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>>> I've never seen a bigotry than the redwoods in Muir Woods...
>>>
>
>> Wow, this is rough reading...
>
> Please tell me you laughed, though.
>
> Karen


I'm sorry, I tried but with this cold I could only manage a bark.

Terry

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At 05:33 PM 9/15/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>I guess you've read that Vanderbilt has suddenly abolished its football
>program as a separate entity -- it's now lumped with intramurals and
>stuff.

Actually, Vanderbilt abolished the office of Athletic Director and the
athletic department that he managed---as you noted, by merging it with the
intramural program under an Office of Student Affairs, Recreation, and
Wellness.  So the intercollegiate programs (football, basketball, etc.)
will continue for the time being, but under more direct university
control.  The budget discussions from here on out ought to be
interesting.  I hope Vandy succeeds in this---although it will take a major
revolution to achieve the same change in places like Tennessee, Ohio State,
etc.

cwv

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From: hominy cricket <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>
> But that's just me.  Before I moved here
> I was as pure as the driven snow

     "I used to be as pure as the driven snow, but then I drifted."

           - Mae West

JMW

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>The prairie was in Kansas, according to the blurb, although I have no memory
>at all of that having been revealed in the movie.  I guess it must have
>been if this blurb-writer knew it.  The movie was named "Skylark."

It's connected to Patricia MacLachlan's "Sarah, Plain and Tall" books,
which I have not read, but in which I presume it is made evident that
Sarah's travels are specifically between Maine and Kansas.

Pete
back from 10 days in points east: Nyack, NYC, Boston, and Woods Hole

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Is there some reason they should?

>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>You act as if you think those jobs will remain in the US. I'm pretty
>sure they won't.
>
>Karen
>"True revolutionaries never bomb buildings."--Dan Bern

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For many years, I have always moved during the summer. This move within a
semester is being a killer. I have moved it back two days - to Sept. 24,
inconveient as that date is (St. John's has a 2-day flower festival Sept.
24-25, and I want to sing with the Cathedral Choir for Evensong that day)
- because I am so short of time for packing. I think I can get it done
with the two extra days, though I will probably do little other than pack
this coming weeked. Yuck!

Bethany

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rofl

>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>I've never seen a bigotry than the redwoods in Muir Woods...
>
>Karen
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>
>It's connected to Patricia MacLachlan's "Sarah, Plain and Tall" books,
>which I have not read, but in which I presume it is made evident that
>Sarah's travels are specifically between Maine and Kansas.

Ah.  That must account for the origin of the saying:  "From the sublime to
the ridiculous."

[We will now pause for another "tiresome regularity" rant.]

cwv

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bonniev wrote:

> published.  In any case, it's supposed to present an accurate picture of
> New Orleans.  All of this being old news, I imagine, because it was
> published in 1980.

Yes, it was a minor <rage> when first published.  I readily admit,
however, that I found it boring.

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
>
> At 05:33 PM 9/15/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >I guess you've read that Vanderbilt has suddenly abolished its football
> >program as a separate entity -- it's now lumped with intramurals and
> >stuff.
>
> Actually, Vanderbilt abolished the office of Athletic Director and the
> athletic department that he managed---as you noted, by merging it with the

Right.  I knew something was wrong with the way I said that.

> interesting.  I hope Vandy succeeds in this---although it will take a major
> revolution to achieve the same change in places like Tennessee, Ohio State,
> etc.

Do you really think other places would do it if Vandy succeeds?  I
somehow doubt it.  Football isn't a religion at Vanderbilt.

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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:55:23 EDT, Theo Groothof <Dutchessg1@AOL.COM> wrote:

>In a message dated 9/15/2003 12:50:39 PM, lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
>
>>When did you last see him?  As a matter of fact, has
>>anyone ever seen Theo and T.S. together?
>>
>Hey, leave me out of this! My PT just left and I'm enough pain as it is. I
>know that pain and physical exercise start with the same letter, but do
they
>have to use that as an excuse to come to my house and torture me?
><Theo>

Stiff upper lip, Theo!
The goal is to get enough strength to be able to stay in your house, right?
I know it hurts, but as you get stronger it will be worth it.

clo

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Post of the Week!

----- Original Message -----
From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
> At 12:11 PM 9/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >Did I mention that I liked the Fat Bastard?
>
> Is he back from his trip abroad?
>
> Betty
>

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> For many years, I have always moved during the summer. This move within a
> semester is being a killer. I have moved it back two days - to Sept. 24,

Ha!  Try moving on a weekend in the midst of summer school, when losing
the previous weekend to a hs class reunion.  I still can't believe I
survived June '01.  Talk about a killer.  Regular semesters are quite
leisurely compared to summer school.

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Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor writes,
>
> >The prairie was in Kansas, according to the blurb, although I have no memory
> >at all of that having been revealed in the movie.  I guess it must have
> >been if this blurb-writer knew it.  The movie was named "Skylark."
>
> It's connected to Patricia MacLachlan's "Sarah, Plain and Tall" books,
> which I have not read, but in which I presume it is made evident that
> Sarah's travels are specifically between Maine and Kansas.

I do remember that it was said to be a sequel to something called
"Sarah, Plain and Tall."  I guess, as you say, the setting was made more
obvious in the earlier movie.  I really don't remember any reference to
Kansas in the movie I saw last night (though there might have been one
that I managed to miss).

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The setting accounted for only part of the appeal.  The satire would have
been equally amusing had it been set in Bar Harbor.  This kind of humor
can't appeal to everyone.  As Booth has made abundantly clear, the targets
are particularly likely to miss the point.


>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
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>bonniev wrote:
>
> > published.  In any case, it's supposed to present an accurate picture of
> > New Orleans.  All of this being old news, I imagine, because it was
> > published in 1980.
>
>Yes, it was a minor <rage> when first published.  I readily admit,
>however, that I found it boring.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Was there, by any chance, a CLOCK in that movie?  I've heard that there was
once a movie with a CLOCK in it.  It might have been an orange CLOCK, I
don't know, but I know there was a CLOCK.  It might have been a surreal
CLOCK, I'm not absolutely certain. Come to think on it, maybe there were two
CLOCKS.  CLOCKS, I say, CLOCKS.

>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>obvious in the earlier movie.  I really don't remember any reference to
>Kansas in the movie I saw last night (though there might have been one
>that I managed to miss).
>
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> Do we want to have India's infrastructure?

You must admit, this teeters on the brink of dog-in-the-manger.

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You know, I think you should have your own domain.  www.karenkayonline.com
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bonniev re: _A Confederacy of Dunces_

>published.  In any case, it's supposed to present an accurate picture of
>New Orleans.  All of this being old news, I imagine, because it was
>published in 1980.

I tried reading it a couple of times but never made it past page 30 or so.
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> How I long to move back to the snow-driven
> north to reclaim my pure Yankee virtues.

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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Ha!  Try moving on a weekend in the midst of summer school, when losing
>the previous weekend to a hs class reunion.  I still can't believe I

I would not even consider doing that. I couldn't do it, in fact. Not to HH
- moving is not permitted on Sat/Sun.

Bethany

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>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>

> > Why?  I think it's useful to be able to predict that other people's
>behavior
> > will fall into a certain range, which is a kind of trust I suppose,
>
>This concept always amuses me--which I guess is why I placed in the
>Asperger's range on those tests.

Why? Discuss.
>
> > but generally I don't find it necessary to trust anyone.

>Do you trust your wife?

I said what I meant.  Was it unclear?  Or do you think I make a habit of
being sloppy about such things?

> > I suspect you're taking the short view.  I'm sure trust in employers
>died
> > out much, much longer ago than 20 years.
>
>It's cyclic.

Pish.  This is feeble.  If it's a cycle, it's a damned long one.  Unless
people are as stupid as bonnie thinks they are, most people have had reason
to distrust their employers since the beginning of the industrial
revolution, if not longer.

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02003-09-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> There are many imaginative, stupid people.

Sorry, that's completely false.

Maybe you mean there are many stupid people who can
go on random boring streams of consciousness?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Monday, September 15, 2003, Alan Wild wrote:
>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
>>
>>> Is it nature or nurture?
>>>
>>>   --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
>>>
>
>>imho, there's very little socially for them to do but their school work,
>>
>
> What makes you say this?!
>
>
>>I just think foreign students lack distractions,
>>
>
> We don't know that these were foreign students. Have you ever lived
> abroad or had a foreign exchange student live with you? IME,
> everything is a distraction, because it's all new to you.


        The Mall seems to be a multicultural experience.


>>and have school work outlined for them so they work on it, and
>>not so surprisingly, they excel... they simply are *with* the program,
>>unlike so many native/indigenous students.
>>
>
> If we're talking about foreign students--which I frankly didn't think
> we were--most of them come from better school systems. I'm sure Rita
> will have much to say on this topic.
>
> You can't assume someone is a foreigner just because they have a funny
> name.


        No, I've had a long, <dramatic> day, so I don't have a lot to
say about anything.  But I do have several extremely lazy
1st generation Asian immigrants in my classes, and the child
in my class with the alleged weapon today was not a white
male.  So, I'm not a great believer in stereotypes.




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> Pete
> back from 10 days in points east: Nyack, NYC,
> Boston, and Woods Hole

Any specific project in Woods Hole you wanted to see?


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>K-R-N ...

>Did you read the article? It's a reduction in new H1Bs, i.e.
>fewer foreigners coming to work in the US. What do you think
>it means? That those jobs are going to be done by ... whom?

Workers from Singapore and Chile? The annual work visa numbers
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> bonniev wrote:
>
>>> It did finally rain in the end.  And they lived happily ever after.
>>> -- Natalie
>>>
>>Thanks a lot for spoiling the movie for the rest of us.  What was the name
>>of it again??
>>
>
> I didn't spoil anything.  For one thing, I don't remember the name of
> the movie so you won't know whether you're watching the one I watched.
> There might be lots of movies involving drought, heat lightning that
> seems extreme, burned-down barns, stepchildren, a temporary move back to
> Camden, Maine, and a husband named Jacob with his heart in the prairie.
> And for another, it was a Hallmark movie.  I knew how it would end from
> its very beginning.


        My God.  I can't believe that I know this is Sara, Tall and
Plain -- or something like that.



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OP-ED COLUMNIST
Gunsmoke and Mirrors
By MAUREEN DOWD


ASHINGTON

This is how bad things are for George W. Bush: He's back in a dead heat with
Al Gore.

(And this is how bad things are for Al Gore: He's back in a dead heat with
George W. Bush.)

One terrorist attack, two wars, three tax cuts, four months of guerrilla
mayhem in Iraq, five silly colors on a terror alert chart, nine nattering
Democratic candidates, 10 Iraqi cops killed by Americans, $87 billion in
Pentagon illusions, a gazillion boastful Osama tapes, zero Saddam and zilch
W.M.D. have left America split evenly between the president and former vice
president.

"More than two and a half years after the 2000 election and we are back
where we started," marveled John Zogby, who conducted the poll.

It's plus ça change all over again. We are learning once more, as we did on
9/11, that all the fantastic technology in the world will not save us. The
undigitalized human will is able to frustrate our most elaborate schemes and
lofty policies.

What unleashed Shock and Awe and the most extravagant display of American
military prowess ever was a bunch of theologically deranged Arabs with box
cutters.

The Bush administration thought it could use scientific superiority to
impose its will on alien tribal cultures. But we're spending hundreds of
billions subduing two backward countries without subduing them.

After the president celebrated victory in our high-tech war in Iraq, our
enemies came back to rattle us with a diabolically ingenious low-tech war, a
homemade bomb in a truck obliterating the U.N. offices, and improvised
explosive devices hidden in soda cans, plastic bags and dead animals blowing
up our soldiers. Afghanistan has mirror chaos, with reconstruction sabotaged
by Taliban assaults on American forces, the Afghan police and aid workers.

The Pentagon blithely says that we have 56,000 Iraqi police and security
officers and that we will soon have more. But it may be hard to keep and
recruit Iraqi cops; the job pays O.K. but it might end very suddenly, given
the rate at which Americans and guerrillas are mowing them down.

"This shows the Americans are completely out of control," First Lt. Mazen
Hamid, an Iraqi policeman, said Friday after angry demonstrators gathered in
Falluja to demand the victims' bodies.

Secretary Pangloss at Defense and Wolfie the Naif are terminally enchanted
by their own descriptions of the world. They know how to use their minds,
but it's not clear they know how to use their eyes.

"They are like people in Plato's cave," observed one military analyst.
"They've been staring at the shadows on the wall for so long, they think
they're forms."

Our high-tech impotence is making our low-tech colony sullen.

"It's 125 degrees there and they have no electricity and no water and it
doesn't make for a very happy population," said Senator John McCain, who
recently toured Iraq. "We're in a race to provide the services and security
for people so the Iraqis will support us rather than turn against us. It's
up for grabs."

Senator McCain says that "the bad guys" are reminding Iraqis that America
"propped up Saddam Hussein in the 80's, sided with Iraq in the Iraq-Iran
war, told the people in Basra in '91 we'd help them get rid of Saddam and
didn't, and put economic sanctions on them in the 90's."

He says we have to woo them, even though we are pouring $87 billion — double
the amount designated for homeland security — into the Iraqi infrastructure
when our own electrical grid, and port and airport security, need upgrading.

"If anyone thinks the French and Germans are going to help us readily and
rapidly," he says, "they're smoking something very strong."

Mocking all our high-priced, know-nothing intelligence, Osama is back in the
studio making his rock videos.

The cadaverous caveman has gone more primitive to avoid electronic
detection, operating via notes passed by couriers.

We haven't forgotten all Mr. Bush's bullhorn, dead-or-alive pledges.

But he's like a kid singing with fingers in his ears, avoiding mentioning
Saddam or bin Laden, or pressing the Pakistanis who must be protecting Osama
up in no man's land and letting the Taliban reconstitute (even though we
bribed Pakistan with a billion in aid). He doesn't dwell on nailing Saddam
either.

His gunsmoke has gone up in smoke.

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Janet's Chocolate Medicinal Mousse Pie
Serves 8 to 12

This recipe, a household favorite, wows guests who—even after finishing a
sinfully rich slice of pie—never suspect that the main ingredient is tofu.
In the past, I've always billed the dessert as heart-healthy, based on
studies suggesting that soy products can offer cardiovascular and
anti-cancer benefits. In fact, I adapted this recipe from a fattier and more
heavily sweetened version that was served 6 years ago to me and other
attendees of the First International Symposium on the Role of Soy in
Preventing and Treating Chronic Disease.

Despite the pie's soy base, however, I often felt a twinge of guilt over the
heavy dose of chocolate present in each slice.

With the newly emerging data on dark chocolate's flavonoids, I now feel less
self-conscious about serving this popular dessert. I can point out that its
bounty of chocolate may actually contribute to the pie's offering of a
cardiovascular double whammy. And the stearic acid in chocolate, although a
saturated fat, is the type that doesn't appear to raise serum cholesterol.

Want a triple whammy? Serve with a cup of strong, flavonoid-rich darjeeling
tea. The especially good news: This pie is so rich that it's easy to be
satisfied with a very small slice.

2 boxes of low-fat Mori-Nu silken tofu (12.3-ounces each, any firmness)
1 10-ounce package of semi-sweet chocolate chips
1/3 tsp. sugar
1/3 tsp. water
chocolate-cookie no-bake pie shell
raspberries or strawberries (garnish)
Melt the chocolate in the top of a double boiler until the chips retain
their shape but are soft as warm butter. Remove from heat and let stand a
couple minutes.

Puree the tofu in a food processor—about 2 minutes—frequently scraping down
the sides of the mixing bowl to ensure that all of the tofu is converted
from a soft brick into a warm-pudding consistency. Add the water to the
sugar, then mix both into the tofu. Add the softened chocolate and stir
until thoroughly mixed. Pour into a chocolate-cookie pie shell and swirl the
top to make soft peaks, like frosting a cake. Garnish with berries. Then
chill to set. Ready in 1 hour.

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Alright, I will.   People have been calling for you to announce the
location of fest 2004.

Any chance you can get off work after all and come up here for the week of
9/29 to 10/6 ??



>bonniev re: _A Confederacy of Dunces_
>
>>published.  In any case, it's supposed to present an accurate picture of
>>New Orleans.  All of this being old news, I imagine, because it was
>>published in 1980.
>
>I tried reading it a couple of times but never made it past page 30 or so.
>Please let me know if you read the whole thing.
>
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In a message dated 9/15/2003 5:08:51 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

>Wait a minute, is this ... humor? Am I hearing HUMOR?
>
Nawww It's just delirium talking
<Theo>.

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Y'all have several months to think about this assignment.  I don't have
to perform until December 9.  But I started wondering about it today
when I discovered that I will be expected to do the "invocation" at the
ARF banquet.  An invocation is not necessarily a prayer, if I'm not
mistaken, though most often it is.  I'm pondering what to do.

I, VP of ARF (Association of Retired Faculty), met today with the ARF
Pres and the Provost's secretary to do much of the planning of the
Christmas banquet.  It is called a "Christmas banquet."  That's what it
has always been, and I have caught on already that these old people
don't like change.  And printed in the program are lyrics to xmas songs,
including blatantly religious ones like "Silent Night" and "O Come, All
Ye Faithful."  When I said today that I found it quite surprising that
an organization affiliated with a public university would be singing
such songs, the other two people looked at me as if I'd just cruised in
from Mars.  That surprised me in many ways.  One is that many people in
my department would have raised a major ruckus over including religious
songs of that kind in a university event.  Another reason I was
surprised was that the ARF Pres is a seemingly <thoughtful> retired
biologist who has had lots and lots of international experience and is
somebody I would have thought would be more conscious of different
cultures, especially since he is from the Philippines originally --
still has an extremely thick accent even after thirty-five or forty
years here.

I was surprised that both he and the Provost's secretary (about whom I
know little except that she seems on the ball) considered it perfectly
normal for this organization to assume that the participants were all
<the faithful> -- of a particular faith, those coming joyfully and
triumphantly to Bethlehem to behold Him.  The majority of active
participants in ARF are quite likely of the Christian faith.  But I know
that not all are.  I know there are Jewish members, and I assume that
there are Muslim members, atheist members, etc.  I don't worry as much
about the atheists as I do about those of other religions.  I'm not sure
exactly why I feel that way -- something about how the party is clearly
associated with a holiday season, many atheists celebrate xmas
secularly, etc.  Of course some people of other religions do also.  I'm
also wishy-washy on some xmas trappings in public institutions.  E.g., I
don't think of xmas trees as all that offensive, particularly given
their origins.  I also consider the non-religious xmas songs as less
inappropriate -- not necessarily totally appropriate, but not as clearly
inappropriate.

Note that we are talking here about an organization open to all retired
faculty of a state university.  We are not talking about somebody's
private party.  When I have xmas parties, I don't consider it in any way
bad to have xtian-related decorations in my house or to have something
like "The Messiah" playing as background music, even though I always
have non-xtian guests.  A private party in somebody's house is a whole
nother thing from what I'm talking about.

I was really pretty offended by the non-inclusiveness of the program and
plans, but I restrained myself from saying too much about it.  I hate
Young Turks who show up and try to change everything a group has been
doing.  Maybe next year, when I'm Pres, I'll be a bit pushier.  (I did
manage to get "Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!" at the bottom of the
printed program changed to "Happy Holidays!" but that was because it was
an obvious solution to a spacing problem we were having in trying to get
the names of the three musicians onto the program.  The cover of the
program says "Christmas Banquet," which means that getting rid of "Merry
Christmas" inside the program is not exactly a major coup, especially
with the lyrics of "We Wish You a Merry Christmas," "Silent Night," etc.
printed inside the program -- for the sing-along.

Enough background and digression.  We're back to the invocation.  I will
stand there at the beginning of this event and give "the invocation."
Help me think of something good to do -- something that will not offend
the old-timers who want it to be about Christmas but will also not
offend the non-Christians in the group.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Marty Rosen wrote:
>
> The setting accounted for only part of the appeal.  The satire would have
> been equally amusing had it been set in Bar Harbor.  This kind of humor
> can't appeal to everyone.  As Booth has made abundantly clear, the targets
> are particularly likely to miss the point.

Of course.  It was not "a book about New Orleans."  It could have been
set anywhere, with the superficial details changed accordingly.  I still
found it boring, however.  I don't think he was a good writer.

--
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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> - moving is not permitted on Sat/Sun.

Why not?  Rules of that kind would give me pause, regardless of which
day I wanted to move.  Are you moving into some kind of <institution>?

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karen's such a collar-ist.

Tens (hundreds, prolly) of thousands of manufacturing jobs have gone
to China over the last 20+ years and the result is cheap stuff in Walmart
and Home Depot and ToysRus and ... Why shouldn't we expect low-cost
financial analysis from Bombay or IT support from Bangalore? Or grapes
from Chile or asparagus from El Salvador or lamb from NZ or ...

Btw, I saw somewhere that China plans to snag 20% of the call center
industry revenues by 2010 ...

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> > - moving is not permitted on Sat/Sun.
>
> Why not?  Rules of that kind would give me pause,
> regardless of which
> day I wanted to move.  Are you moving into some kind
> of <institution>?

Indeed, that would give me not only pause, but halt.
Where will these regressive rules end?

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In a message dated 9/15/2003 9:14:38 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
<<
"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

>- moving is not permitted on Sat/Sun.

Why not?
>>

I was wondering that myself.  Weekends are perfect for moving.
Especially cross-country:  the weigh stations are usually closed
those days.

Evelyn Duncan
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I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
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Marty Rosen wrote:
>
> http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=732
>
> OP-ED COLUMNIST
> Gunsmoke and Mirrors
> By MAUREEN DOWD

For some reason I don't find Maureen Dowd's columns all that appealing,
even though I agree with her positions.  I find myself rarely blogging
her.  I was thinking about that a few days ago -- about how I like her
views but find many of her columns somehow <lacking>.  A columnist I
like better is Eric Margolis:

http://www.canoe.ca/Columnists/margolis_sep14.html

Here's another one on that subject (the exploitation) by a columnist I
don't know anything about, but I thought this column was very good:

http://www.counterpunch.org/leupp09132003.html

And a good one by Robert Parry on a similar theme -- the responsibility
of the public in a democracy to be informed:

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2003/091003a.html

I almost always like Paul Krugman:

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/12/opinion/12KRUG.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/09/opinion/09KRUG.html

And Robert Fisk:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4679.htm

And a bunch of others, but it's time to turn off the computer and go to
bed.

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bonniev wrote:
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> Alright, I will.   People have been calling for you to announce the
> location of fest 2004.
>
> Any chance you can get off work after all and come up here for the week of
> 9/29 to 10/6 ??

And now Bonniemae is into top-posting.  What has Nipper unleashed.  It
really drives me crazy.

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At 08:13 PM 9/15/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Do you really think other places would do it if Vandy succeeds?  I
>somehow doubt it.  Football isn't a religion at Vanderbilt.

As I said---at some places, it would take some sort of major revolution or
a scandal even worse than Baylor is experiencing.  The Vandy
President---Gee---was quoted that if he was to try this at Ohio State (his
former post), he'd be pumping gas about now.  But yes, I can see it
happening elsewhere <if> the Vandy experiment succeeds.  For example,
several of the colleges in the East and Northeast (e.g., Boston U.,
Northeastern, St. John's, Temple) which now are facing budget difficulties
might see it as a promising option.

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At 09:49 PM 9/15/2003 -0400, Marty Rosen wrote:
>http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=732
>

If the poll is halfway credible (and believable by the adminstration), I
suppose we are in for another round of brightly colored terrorism alerts,
with Ashcroft and Ridge doing a duet.

cwv

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>ARF banquet.  An invocation is not necessarily a prayer, if I'm not
>mistaken, though most often it is.  I'm pondering what to do.

I think you are stuck with invoking somebody or something, Natalie. The
OED says (def 1): "Ê1. The action or an act of invoking or calling upon
(God, a deity, etc.) in prayer or attestation; supplication, or an act or
form of supplication, for aid or protection.' Or one could be
eccelesiastical, of course - I suggest that you cosult BCP pp. 810-841 -
and perhaps modify something you find there. I recall using some of those
collects when I <preached> at the Unitarian church service.

>don't like change.  And printed in the program are lyrics to xmas songs,
>including blatantly religious ones like "Silent Night" and "O Come, All
>Ye Faithful."  When I said today that I found it quite surprising that

Leaving aside the issue of appropriateness, of course those should not be
sung anywhere until Christmas - which begins at midnight on 12/24.

helpfully,
Bethany

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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> - moving is not permitted on Sat/Sun.
>
>Why not?  Rules of that kind would give me pause, regardless of which
>day I wanted to move.  Are you moving into some kind of <institution>?

No - I am moving into a community which decides together about such
matters. On weekends, most of the reisdents want to relax, enjoy the
pool, entertain, etc. - they do not want to be waiting on elevators etc.
because someone is tying them up moving in. I concur with this policy.

Bethany

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Lynne Weber writes,

>Any specific project in Woods Hole you wanted to see?

Just hanging out with friends.

We did get a rare treat: some time with a superlative musician, Howard Levy.

Here's a snippet, an impromptu but still amazing rendition of "Amazing
Grace" by arguably the world's best diatonic harmonica player:
<http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/mtarchive/001974.html>.

Pete

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Quite right, and well-observed.  In general, America-first protectionism is
dumb, and prone to fail.  But the Clinton-Bush faux-free market model is
also dumb and prone to fail.  What's needed is an integrated approach to
globalism that values environmental standards, collective bargaining rights,
and so forth as much as it does the unimpeded movement of capital. That's
why folks riot outside trade talks.

A few years ago, every overpaid freelance techie in Seattle or Silicon
Valley was an anti-government, free market capitalist, and by their lights,
every out-of-work shirtmaker in Alabama was a backwards redneck who hadn't
changed with the times.  I wonder whether that group of folks has seen the
light of solidarity.  In the end, if you work for the man, it doesn't make
any difference what collar you wear.


>From: Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 02:14:16 +0000
>
>karen's such a collar-ist.
>
>Tens (hundreds, prolly) of thousands of manufacturing jobs have gone
>to China over the last 20+ years and the result is cheap stuff in Walmart
>and Home Depot and ToysRus and ... Why shouldn't we expect low-cost
>financial analysis from Bombay or IT support from Bangalore? Or grapes
>from Chile or asparagus from El Salvador or lamb from NZ or ...
>
>Btw, I saw somewhere that China plans to snag 20% of the call center
>industry revenues by 2010 ...
>
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

>>- moving is not permitted on Sat/Sun.
>
>Why not?
>>>
>
>I was wondering that myself.  Weekends are perfect for moving.
>Especially cross-country:  the weigh stations are usually closed
>those days.

We discourage most illegal activity.

Bethany

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And what a short drive it is.

>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>And now Bonniemae is into top-posting.  What has Nipper unleashed.  It
>really drives me crazy.
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Oh, yeah.  And if we had any troops left, every little country in the world
with a handful of American medical students would be sweating buckets.

>From: "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@GWI.NET>
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>At 09:49 PM 9/15/2003 -0400, Marty Rosen wrote:
>>http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=732
>>
>
>If the poll is halfway credible (and believable by the adminstration), I
>suppose we are in for another round of brightly colored terrorism alerts,
>with Ashcroft and Ridge doing a duet.
>
>cwv

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She could claim to have misunderstood, and deliver a Provocation.


>From: "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU>
>
>I think you are stuck with invoking somebody or something, Natalie. The
>

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On Monday, September 15, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> rofl

Made you laugh!!!!

I can die happy and satisfied now.

Karen

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On Monday, September 15, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> Do we want to have India's infrastructure?

> You must admit, this teeters on the brink of dog-in-the-manger.

I don't understand this comment.

Karen

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On Monday, September 15, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-09-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> There are many imaginative, stupid people.

> Sorry, that's completely false.

> Maybe you mean there are many stupid people who can
> go on random boring streams of consciousness?

Well, there are more of that than imaginative ones, for sure.

Karen

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On Monday, September 15, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
> You know, I think you should have your own domain.

I already have my own domain, thank you very much.

Karen

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On Monday, September 15, 2003, Marty Rosen wrote:
>>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>

>> > Why?  I think it's useful to be able to predict that other people's
>>behavior
>> > will fall into a certain range, which is a kind of trust I suppose,
>>
>>This concept always amuses me--which I guess is why I placed in the
>>Asperger's range on those tests.

> Why? Discuss.

I don't find people nearly as predictable as many people claim to.

>>
>> > but generally I don't find it necessary to trust anyone.

>>Do you trust your wife?

> I said what I meant.  Was it unclear?  Or do you think I make a habit of
> being sloppy about such things?

Well, yes, I do frequently find you sloppy. And untrusting.

>> > I suspect you're taking the short view.  I'm sure trust in employers
>>died
>> > out much, much longer ago than 20 years.
>>
>>It's cyclic.

> Pish.

You win!

Karen

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On Monday, September 15, 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> karen's such a collar-ist.

Sure.

> Why shouldn't we expect low-cost financial analysis from Bombay or
> IT support from Bangalore? Or grapes from Chile or asparagus from El
> Salvador or lamb from NZ or ...

I have no problem with any of that. But I wonder what I'm supposed to
be doing to be able to acquire an income to pay for it. All clues
welcome.

> Btw, I saw somewhere that China plans to snag 20% of the call center
> industry revenues by 2010 ...

Oh, goodie.

Karen

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On Monday, September 15, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> In a message dated 9/15/2003 9:14:38 PM Central Daylight Time,
> natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
> <<
> "Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

>>- moving is not permitted on Sat/Sun.

> Why not?
>>>

> I was wondering that myself.  Weekends are perfect for moving.
> Especially cross-country:  the weigh stations are usually closed
> those days.

It's annoying when you are the person already in place.

Karen

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> We did get a rare treat: some time with a
> superlative musician, Howard Levy.
>
> Here's a snippet, an impromptu but still amazing
> rendition of "Amazing
> Grace" by arguably the world's best diatonic
> harmonica player:
>
<http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/mtarchive/001974.html>.


That's an amazing "Amazing Grace".  I'm going to
investigate him further, I love that sound.

BTW, I finished "The Seven Daughters of Eve".  Very
interesting and compelling, in fact, unput-downable.
Thanks for the advice.


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--- Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> She could claim to have misunderstood, and deliver a
> Provocation.


And that is what she'll prolly end up doing,
intentionally or not.

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02003-09-16 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> karen's such a collar-ist.

You are very unkind.

K-R-N is the old lady who decides on some unreal paranoid
belief to fixate on, entices about 10 different reasonable
explanations everyday from new suckers, and dismisses them
and makes the exact same verbatim complaint the next morning,
gradually making the most concerned people lose interest.

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On Monday, September 15, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-09-16 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
>> karen's such a collar-ist.

> You are very unkind.

> K-R-N is the old lady who decides on some unreal paranoid
> belief to fixate on, entices about 10 different reasonable
> explanations everyday from new suckers, and dismisses them
> and makes the exact same verbatim complaint the next morning,
> gradually making the most concerned people lose interest.

I think I'll kill myself now and put you all out of your misery.

bye

Karen

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02003-09-16 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Monday, September 15, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-09-16 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >> karen's such a collar-ist.
>
> > You are very unkind.
>
> > K-R-N is the old lady who decides on some unreal paranoid
> > belief to fixate on, entices about 10 different reasonable
> > explanations everyday from new suckers, and dismisses them
> > and makes the exact same verbatim complaint the next morning,
> > gradually making the most concerned people lose interest.
>
> I think I'll kill myself now and put you all out of your misery.
>
> bye

Oh, there's no misery.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> I think you are stuck with invoking somebody or something, Natalie. The
> OED says (def 1): "Ê1. The action or an act of invoking or calling upon

Of course an ivocation involves invoking.  I don't need to go to a
dictionary to figure that out.  My question is what and how.  Muses?
Ghost of Xmas Past?  The Hermetic Bright Shoots Within Us?

> eccelesiastical, of course - I suggest that you cosult BCP pp. 810-841 -
> and perhaps modify something you find there. I recall using some of those
> collects when I <preached> at the Unitarian church service.

Thanks for the suggestion.  The thought of Unitarian services did enter
my mind last night when I was pondering this matter.  I've never been to
one (we have no Unitarian church here), but, as I've said here before, I
think I am one.  And I think I might find some Unitarian-style material
useful in invoking.

--
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>Sucky Southern behavior is a distinct type of sucky behavior.
>Nobody else in the civilized world is nice to one's face and
>rude behind their backs. It is unique to the South.
>

Ah. A <cultural artifact>, of sorts.

>This is analogous to another well-known phenomenon: "Southern
>racism". Apparently, racism, where it occurs in the South, is
>so qualitatively different that other parts of the US may not
>be said to have racism at all. Observe the number of times
>people use this phrase without preface or apology--they
>wouldn't do it if it weren't true.

Of course not.

Thank you for this clarification.

AS

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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:27:16 EDT, Theo Groothof <Dutchessg1@AOL.COM> wrote:

>In a message dated 9/15/2003 3:03:57 PM, clostran@SYR.EDU writes:
>
>>Stiff upper lip, Theo!
>---
>Stiff isn't a word found in my vocabulary, sweety. It went out right around
>the time I learned about the 'other sex'.
>But I guess there ain't no other choice, eh? Worst part is she's returning
>this Friday. Couldn't they have sent a good looking guy?
><Theo>

All my sympathies on that one, Theo.

clo

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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:15:40 -0500, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

>Karen Kay wrote:
>> >> Was Glenn Close in this one?
>>
>> > I don't know.  What does he look like?
>>
>> She. Cruella de Ville.
>
>?
>
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Tall and slender, with a prominent nose, though not an ungraceful face.
I think Karen is asking if the Hallmark feature was
Sarah Plain and Tall, which was also a children's book that won the -
Newberry Medal, if I'm not surprised.

clo

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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 20:18:58 -0400, Terry Wild <twild@URI.EDU> wrote:

>--On Monday, September 15, 2003 6:12 PM -0500 Karen Kay
><Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
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>> Some people think that can be outsourced, too...
>
>
>Damn, the end of the world must be near!
>
>Terry

I read this as "The end of the world must be neat!"
clo

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>Enough background and digression.  We're back to the invocation.  I will
>stand there at the beginning of this event and give "the invocation."
>Help me think of something good to do -- something that will not offend
>the old-timers who want it to be about Christmas but will also not
>offend the non-Christians in the group.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

"We gather together to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ who died on the
cross to save every one of your sorry souls, if you believe it or
not.  Repent you who think differently and join with us, the faithful, now
as we sing to celebrate the birth of our Holy Redeemer."


bonnie

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>Of course.  It was not "a book about New Orleans."  It could have been
>set anywhere, with the superficial details changed accordingly.  I still
>found it boring, however.  I don't think he was a good writer.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I'm on page 70 and wondering what exactly it was that made Lisa A. "laugh
out loud" as she read it.  She clearly loved the book.


bonnie

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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:14:37 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> wrote:

>On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:15:40 -0500, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:
>
>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>> >> Was Glenn Close in this one?
>>>
>>> > I don't know.  What does he look like?
>>>
>>> She. Cruella de Ville.
>>
>>?
>>
>>--
>> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>Tall and slender, with a prominent nose, though not an ungraceful face.
>I think Karen is asking if the Hallmark feature was
>Sarah Plain and Tall, which was also a children's book that won the -
>Newberry Medal, if I'm not surprised.
>
>clo
But of course, I always am, at the way these things just pop out before the
first cup of coffee. I meant "if I'm not mistaken".

clo

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> "We gather together to celebrate the birth of Jesus
> Christ who died on the
> cross to save every one of your sorry souls, if you
> believe it or
> not.  Repent you who think differently and join with
> us, the faithful, now
> as we sing to celebrate the birth of our Holy
> Redeemer."

This has ponderation written on it.  Have you ever
used it?

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>>Of course.  It was not "a book about New Orleans."  It could have been
>>set anywhere, with the superficial details changed accordingly.  I still
>>found it boring, however.  I don't think he was a good writer.
>>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>I'm on page 70 and wondering what exactly it was that made Lisa A. "laugh
>out loud" as she read it.  She clearly loved the book.

Oops.  I meant Lisa A's MOTHER, who isn't much like Lisa at all.


bonnie

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> > "We gather together to celebrate the birth of Jesus
> > Christ who died on the
> > cross to save every one of your sorry souls, if you
> > believe it or
> > not.  Repent you who think differently and join with
> > us, the faithful, now
> > as we sing to celebrate the birth of our Holy
> > Redeemer."
>
>This has ponderation written on it.  Have you ever
>used it?

Who can remember?  Not in the last 35 years, that's certain.


bonnie

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02003-09-16 | bonniev <bonniev@GWI.NET> writes:
> >Enough background and digression.  We're back to the invocation.  I will
> >stand there at the beginning of this event and give "the invocation."
> >Help me think of something good to do -- something that will not offend
> >the old-timers who want it to be about Christmas but will also not
> >offend the non-Christians in the group.
> > -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> "We gather together to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ who died on the
> cross to save every one of your sorry souls, if you believe it or
> not.  Repent you who think differently and join with us, the faithful, now
> as we sing to celebrate the birth of our Holy Redeemer."

I'd cut out "sorry" and "if you believe it or not" ... They are
a wee bit tacky if actually said, and should be communicated by
intonation.

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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:33:38 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@TMETIC.COM>
wrote:

>02003-09-16 | bonniev <bonniev@GWI.NET> writes:
>> >Enough background and digression.  We're back to the invocation.  I will
>> >stand there at the beginning of this event and give "the invocation."
>> >Help me think of something good to do -- something that will not offend
>> >the old-timers who want it to be about Christmas but will also not
>> >offend the non-Christians in the group.
>> > -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>>
>> "We gather together to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ who died on
the
>> cross to save every one of your sorry souls, if you believe it or
>> not.  Repent you who think differently and join with us, the faithful,
now
>> as we sing to celebrate the birth of our Holy Redeemer."
>
>I'd cut out "sorry" and "if you believe it or not" ... They are
>a wee bit tacky if actually said, and should be communicated by
>intonation.

It's apparent that you lack the imagination to appreciate the solemnity of
this address. An American would be more reverent and accept the sincere good
wishes embodied herein without question.

May your house be bless in spite of these failings.

clo

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Tall and slender, with a prominent nose, though not an ungraceful face.

That fits.  I don't really remember her nose, but she was kind of tall
and slender, iirc.

> I think Karen is asking if the Hallmark feature was
> Sarah Plain and Tall, which was also a children's book that won the -
> Newberry Medal, if I'm not surprised.

Twas its sequel -- "Skylark."

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bonniev wrote:

> "We gather together to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ who died on the
> cross to save every one of your sorry souls, if you believe it or
> not.  Repent you who think differently and join with us, the faithful, now
> as we sing to celebrate the birth of our Holy Redeemer."

Thank you.  I don't think I have to announce the songs, but I can use
most of this for the invocation since I can't look at those pages
Bethany recommended in the Book of CP since I don't think the pages are
the same in the one I have, which is a teeny, tiny one from the Church
of England printed c1870.

Speaking of CP, are you reading this, Bethany, and, if so, have you used
the Fromkin, Rodman, and NewPerson (can't remember her name) 7th ed --
the one that came out after Vicki Fromkin had died?  The
phrase-structure rules have been changed slightly, and either I'm just
stupid, or the authors screwed up in one of the exercises -- leaving the
old tree-drawing exercise exactly as it was, not noticing that the new
version of the p-s rules would not allow the last two trees in the
exercise to grow.  (The change involved having CP coming out of VP
instead of out of NP, where it had been in the 6th ed.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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bonniev wrote:

> I'm on page 70 and wondering what exactly it was that made Lisa A. "laugh
> out loud" as she read it.  She clearly loved the book.

I have a vague memory of a few laughs but don't remember the specifics.

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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Thank you.  I don't think I have to announce the songs, but I can use
>most of this for the invocation since I can't look at those pages
>Bethany recommended in the Book of CP since I don't think the pages are
>the same in the one I have, which is a teeny, tiny one from the Church
>of England printed c1870.

Lazy! See http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/formatted_1979.htm

Bethany

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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Speaking of CP, are you reading this, Bethany, and, if so, have you used
>the Fromkin, Rodman, and NewPerson (can't remember her name) 7th ed --
>the one that came out after Vicki Fromkin had died?  The
>phrase-structure rules have been changed slightly, and either I'm just
>stupid, or the authors screwed up in one of the exercises -- leaving the
>old tree-drawing exercise exactly as it was, not noticing that the new
>version of the p-s rules would not allow the last two trees in the
>exercise to grow.  (The change involved having CP coming out of VP
>instead of out of NP, where it had been in the 6th ed.)

I cannot comment, since I stopped using that book long before the 7th
ed. I teach from Paul Hopper.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Lazy! See http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/formatted_1979.htm

Does it have page numbers?

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Who would be a better candidate, Howard Dean or Wesley Clark?  Why?  Who
would be a better Pres when elected?  Why?  I don't feel that I know
Wesley very well.

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> Who would be a better candidate, Howard Dean or Wesley Clark?  Why?
Who
> would be a better Pres when elected?  Why?  I don't feel that I know
> Wesley very well.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>

It was just discussed on NPR, with points
being made for each, I think.  It was just
coming on when I pulled in and shut off
the car, so I didn't get to hear it.

                               - D. M.

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>I think I'll kill myself now and put you all out of your misery.
>
>bye
>Karen

Come back, Karen !!


bonnie

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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Lazy! See http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/formatted_1979.htm
>
>Does it have page numbers?

As I said:

See http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/formatted_1979.htm

B.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> "Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> > Lazy! See http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/formatted_1979.htm
>
> Does it have page numbers?

Yes.  I've been looking a prayers, but the ones I've seen would take
quite a bit of doctoring to make them suitable for a general audience.
This one has some possibilities:

**************
 Endue
with the spirit of wisdom those to whom in thy Name we entrust the
authority of government, that there may be justice and
peace at home, and that, through obedience to thy law, we
may show forth thy praise among the nations of the earth.
In the time of prosperity, fill our hearts with thankfulness,
and in the day of trouble, suffer not our trust in thee to fail;
**************

Just a tiny bit of editing might make it usable:

 Endue
with the spirit of wisdom those to whom we entrust the authority of
government, that there may be justice and
peace at home, and that we
may behave more decently among the nations of the earth.
In the time of prosperity, fill our hearts with thankfulness,
and in the day of trouble, help us oust bad presidents;

Oohh -- there's another one right after that one:

*****************
 Grant
to the President of the United States, the Governor of this
State (or Commonwealth), and to all in authority, wisdom
and strength to know and to do thy will. Fill them with the
love of truth and righteousness, and make them ever mindful
of their calling to serve this people in thy fear; through Jesus
Christ our Lord, who liveth and reigneth with thee and the
Holy Spirit, one God, world without end.  Amen.
*****************

Grant to the POTUS wisdom, or at least a wee bit of sense.  Introduce
him to the concepts of truth and righteousness.

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Where can I find the words to "Blessed Spirit of My Life" -- #86 in
Unitarian hymnals?
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Well, so far I'm more interested in the comic aspects of this campaign than
substance, so the things I've found most interesting are silly.  To be
specific:

1. I thought Clark's performance on Bill Maher's show was superb.  He seemed
to me to have a very strong and principled sense of the way public discourse
should be handled in regard to things like tax policy, making war, and the
overall democratic process.  And when he criticizes Rumsfeld and his cronies
regarding the Iraqi debacle, it has some credibility.  In general, I don't
care much for military men's contribution to the political arena, but that
may be because in the last generation a lot of those creatures have been
flat out dumb or corrupt, to wit Schwartzkopf and Oliver North. Powell seems
neither dumb nor corrupt, but the fact that he's a Bush minion and that his
son is a miserable excuse for an FCC chairperson indicates that he has some
other flaw I just haven't been able to label.  I could make an exception for
Clark, and I think he could be a strong candidate.  He has some charisma and
seems brighter than most politicians.

2.  I love it that Edwards kept his promise and announced his candidacy on
Jon Stewart's show last night.  I have some significant policy differences
with him regarding this war.

3.  Dean strikes me as a lightweight, but not nearly as dumb as Bush.  I'm
still in a kind of shock that an uninformed failure with absolutely nothing
to commend him managed to become president of the U.S.  Dean is brighter,
certainly, but not by much.  I don't know how many people watched the first
episode of K Street on HBO this week.  It's a pseudo-documentary featuring
Carville, Matalin, some other real politicos, and a few actors.  Everybody
politics watcher in America has by now heard Dean's riposte in the debate
that "if the number of blacks in a state had anything to do with a
politicians ability to be responsive to racial issues, then Trent Lott would
be Martin Luther King."  (or words to that effect).  In K Street, we learn
that Carville fed him that line during debate prep.

Right now, I can't claim to be familiar with the nuances of the various
candidates' positions.  Mostly what I want is someone who can beat Bush.  Of
the announced democrats, I'm not convinced any of them can.  The bad economy
and the dreary failure in Iraq are still easily attributed to factors
outside Bush's control, and he's adept at playing to the fears associated
with those important factors.  The democrats are attempting to play to
people's fears about Bush.  I'm not convinced any of the announced guys has
the comforting gravitas to convince people that he (or she) is a safer
choice than the moron we know.  Clark is a different story.  I think as Bush
loses credibility with veterans and service men, Clark can pick up some of
that vote.  As a self-described liberal, who seems to understand what being
a liberal means, I think he can pick up a large part of the left-progressive
vote.  I don't know where he stands on trade, which is going to play a huge
role in the labor/business vote, but if he's able to articulate some
moderate pro-growth/pro-labor/pro-corporate accountability agenda, I think
he has a real shot.

>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 18:30:09 -0500
>
>Who would be a better candidate, Howard Dean or Wesley Clark?  Why?  Who
>would be a better Pres when elected?  Why?  I don't feel that I know
>Wesley very well.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Hmmm.  I don't think it'll work.  You'd be dead, but we'd still be
miserable, so really, there's no point.  But thanks for the offer.


>>I think I'll kill myself now and put you all out of your misery.
>>
>>bye
>>Karen
>

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Natalie writes,

>Where can I find the words to "Blessed Spirit of My Life" -- #86 in
>Unitarian hymnals?

Does this look right?

<http://www.cowboy.net/~uuchstw/sermons.htm>

Blessed spirit of my life, give me strength through stress and strife; help
me live with dignity; let me know serenity. Fill me with a vision, clear my
mind of fear and confusion. When my thoughts flow restlessly, let peace
find a home in me.

Spirit of great mystery, hear the still, small voice in me. Help me live my
wordless creed as I comfort those in need. Fill me with compassion, be the
source of my intuition. Then when life is done for me, let love be my legacy.

May all of our senses perceive the wonder of the Spirit's presence: May our
eyes see the beauty of each person beneath the surface, our ears hear the
music in laughter and crying, our nostrils breathe in the aroma of honesty,
our tongues taste truthfulness, and our fingers touch the hands of all
those who long for companionship, understanding, and love.

Pete

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Marty Rosen wrote:

> the comforting gravitas to convince people that he (or she) is a safer
> choice than the moron we know.  Clark is a different story.  I think as Bush
> loses credibility with veterans and service men, Clark can pick up some of
> that vote.  As a self-described liberal, who seems to understand what being
> a liberal means, I think he can pick up a large part of the left-progressive
> vote.  I don't know where he stands on trade, which is going to play a huge
> role in the labor/business vote, but if he's able to articulate some
> moderate pro-growth/pro-labor/pro-corporate accountability agenda, I think
> he has a real shot.

Thank you for playing.  Your analysis is very much what I've been
thinking, though your assessment of Dean is many notches below mine.
I've never thought he was perfect, by any means, but he is not just
smarter than Dubya -- he also does not seem to be the puppet-type with
strings likely to be pulled by rich buddies, warmongers, et al.  I do
think Clark might be better, however, both in chances of winning and in
performing after winning.  As I said, I don't feel that I know enough
about WC yet, but what I know sounds good.

--
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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Does this look right?
>
> <http://www.cowboy.net/~uuchstw/sermons.htm>
>
> Blessed spirit of my life, give me strength through stress and strife; help
> me live with dignity; let me know serenity. Fill me with a vision, clear my
> mind of fear and confusion. When my thoughts flow restlessly, let peace
> find a home in me.
>
> Spirit of great mystery, hear the still, small voice in me. Help me live my
> wordless creed as I comfort those in need. Fill me with compassion, be the
> source of my intuition. Then when life is done for me, let love be my legacy.
>
> May all of our senses perceive the wonder of the Spirit's presence: May our
> eyes see the beauty of each person beneath the surface, our ears hear the
> music in laughter and crying, our nostrils breathe in the aroma of honesty,
> our tongues taste truthfulness, and our fingers touch the hands of all
> those who long for companionship, understanding, and love.

Possibly.  I was looking for it because of a reference to it on a
website saying that it (the hymn by that name) was the closest thing to
prayer to her.

--
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If you're going to invoke, please don't invoke some silly power that sounds
like a god.  Invoke something specifically from the secular humanist canon.
See below:

As educators, let us hope that through reason, study, reflection, and
experience our fellow citizens will develop the good sense to recognize that
compromise, accountability, mutual responibility, candid debate, and
information-based decision-making are the essence of good government.

Let us hope that through reason, study, reflection, and experience, they
come to understand that when we get lucky as a nation, or a state, we should
bear in mind that luck is not the same as virtue, and that we should save
some resources for when we get unlucky.

Let us hope that through reason, study, reflection, and experience our
fellow citizens come to understand that personal misfortune, bad health,
age, and poverty are not evidence of character flaws, and that we have a
responsibility to generously assist our fellow citizens in their time of
need.

Let us hope that through reason, study, reflection, and experience our
fellow citizens come to realize that government is one of the great
inventions of humankind, and that taxation is the price we pay for living in
a civilized society.

>Oohh -- there's another one right after that one:
>
>*****************
>  Grant
>to the President of the United States, the Governor of this
>State (or Commonwealth), and to all in authority, wisdom
>and strength to know and to do thy will. Fill them with the
>love of truth and righteousness, and make them ever mindful
>of their calling to serve this people in thy fear; through Jesus
>Christ our Lord, who liveth and reigneth with thee and the
>Holy Spirit, one God, world without end.  Amen.
>*****************
>
>Grant to the POTUS wisdom, or at least a wee bit of sense.  Introduce
>him to the concepts of truth and righteousness.
>
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>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>

>Thank you for playing.  Your analysis is very much what I've been
>thinking, though your assessment of Dean is many notches below mine.
>I've never thought he was perfect, by any means, but he is not just
>smarter than Dubya -- he also does not seem to be the puppet-type with

Yes, I think you're right on this.  I wasn't factoring in the ethical
aspect. Bush is very much a puppet.  Dean would be less hypocritical, likely
to surround himself with smarter people (though that wouldn't be terribly
difficult, after all), and generally more principled.  I think if you see
the K street episode, your opinion may drop.  He does a very amusing bit of
shtick in which he makes fun of a southerner, though in his defence the
southerner is a right wing fundamentalist, and everybody ought to make fun
of them.  In kind of a backwoods accent, he does an impression of a guy
saying something along these lines:  "Don't go to vermont.  They got those
civil unions up there, and you don't know what might happen.  Why, with
those civil unions it could be that the days will grow shorter, and there'll
be more darkness, and the leaves on the trees will start turning color and
falling off, and it'll grow cold....."  You get the picture.

Dean's big challenge now that he's a front-runner is to reign himself in and
start being more accurate and accountable in his statements (see yesterday's
NYT for a piece of this subject).  He's be better than Bush, but like
Edwards, I'm not sure he's turned the psychological corner and started
acting like a candidate for the presidency of the US.  Bush was smart enough
to remain pretty furtive until late in the game; he had his money in hand
before most people even had a clue what a vapid waste he was.  This crop of
democrats is out early, and their vulnerabilities are going to be fairly
evident long before January.

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Seen this?


http://www.charleston.net/stories/032703/loc_27atheist2.shtml
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Yes, and just at the moment that your creativity is starting to emerge.

>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>Made you laugh!!!!
>
>I can die happy and satisfied now.
>
>Karen

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Marty Rosen wrote:

> Dean's big challenge now that he's a front-runner is to reign himself in and
> start being more accurate and accountable in his statements (see yesterday's
> NYT for a piece of this subject).  He's be better than Bush, but like

Yes.  There have been lots of stories about the challenges ahead, the
possibility of having peaked too soon, etc.  I've been watching and
worrying that he might self-destruct at some point.  I don't mean to
suggest by any of this discussion that I no longer like Dean.  I do.
But I'm finding the thought of Clark quite compelling.

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Marty Rosen wrote:
>
> Seen this?
>
> http://www.charleston.net/stories/032703/loc_27atheist2.shtml
> http://charleston.net/stories/041403/com_14silverman.shtml

Yes.  I found it interesting.

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02003-09-16 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> If you're going to invoke, please don't invoke some silly power that sounds
> like a god.  Invoke something specifically from the secular humanist canon.
> See below:
>
> As educators, let us hope that through reason, study, reflection, and
> experience our fellow citizens will develop the good sense to recognize that
> compromise, accountability, mutual responibility, candid debate, and
> information-based decision-making are the essence of good government.
>
> Let us hope that through reason, study, reflection, and experience, they
> come to understand that when we get lucky as a nation, or a state, we should
> bear in mind that luck is not the same as virtue, and that we should save
> some resources for when we get unlucky.
>
> Let us hope that through reason, study, reflection, and experience our
> fellow citizens come to understand that personal misfortune, bad health,
> age, and poverty are not evidence of character flaws, and that we have a
> responsibility to generously assist our fellow citizens in their time of
> need.
>
> Let us hope that through reason, study, reflection, and experience our
> fellow citizens come to realize that government is one of the great
> inventions of humankind, and that taxation is the price we pay for
> living in a civilized society.

Not badly written at all, Br Marty... This has a familiar sound, though
a rather provocative content. Still, it is the sort of thing we were
brought up on. Admittedly, mainly because of "political correctness",
since there was practically no gathering where you could avoid your
Christian and Muslim br's ... But this is why I am completely for
political correctness ...

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It's a first draft.  I think it could be improved by changing "our fellow
citizens," with its faintly smug, patronizing air, to "we".


>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@TMETIC.COM>
>Not badly written at all, Br Marty... This has a familiar sound, though
>a rather provocative content. Still, it is the sort of thing we were
>brought up on. Admittedly, mainly because of "political correctness",
>since there was practically no gathering where you could avoid your
>Christian and Muslim br's ... But this is why I am completely for
>political correctness ...

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>  Endue
> with the spirit of wisdom those to whom in thy Name
> we entrust the
> authority of government, that there may be justice
> and
> peace at home, and that, through obedience to thy
> law, we
> may show forth thy praise among the nations of the
> earth.
> In the time of prosperity, fill our hearts with
> thankfulness,
> and in the day of trouble, suffer not our trust in
> thee to fail;

To my mind, this is the better of the two.  The other
is too specific.
>
> Just a tiny bit of editing might make it usable:

>  Endue
> with the spirit of wisdom those to whom we entrust
> the authority of
> government, that there may be justice and
> peace at home, and that we
> may behave more decently among the nations of the
> earth.
> In the time of prosperity, fill our hearts with
> thankfulness,
> and in the day of trouble, help us oust bad
> presidents;
>
> Oohh -- there's another one right after that one:
>
> *****************
>  Grant
> to the President of the United States, the Governor
> of this
> State (or Commonwealth), and to all in authority,
> wisdom
> and strength to know and to do thy will. Fill them
> with the
> love of truth and righteousness, and make them ever
> mindful
> of their calling to serve this people in thy fear;
> through Jesus
> Christ our Lord, who liveth and reigneth with thee
> and the
> Holy Spirit, one God, world without end.  Amen.
> *****************
>
> Grant to the POTUS wisdom, or at least a wee bit of
> sense.  Introduce
> him to the concepts of truth and righteousness.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


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02003-09-16 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> Does this look right?
>
> <http://www.cowboy.net/~uuchstw/sermons.htm>
>
> Blessed spirit of my life, give me strength through stress and strife; help
> me live with dignity; let me know serenity. Fill me with a vision, clear my
> mind of fear and confusion. When my thoughts flow restlessly, let peace
> find a home in me.
>
> Spirit of great mystery, hear the still, small voice in me. Help me live my
> wordless creed as I comfort those in need. Fill me with compassion, be the
> source of my intuition. Then when life is done for me, let love be my
> legacy.
>
> May all of our senses perceive the wonder of the Spirit's presence: May our
> eyes see the beauty of each person beneath the surface, our ears hear the
> music in laughter and crying, our nostrils breathe in the aroma of honesty,
> our tongues taste truthfulness, and our fingers touch the hands of all
> those who long for companionship, understanding, and love.

I hope it's not taken as offensive when I say that I feel completely
shaken by the first two paragraphs. I can't bring myself to take them
even slightly seriously. Could it be that that's why a lot of people
shy from ALL rhyming metrical poems? Because those are a couple of
atrocious paragraphs.

Actually, I have always felt that even "Amazing Grace" is a pretty
childish song. I mean I feel moved by it, but for rather different
reasons which I won't go into ... It bolsters the impression that
if you want depth of feeling, especially "for everyman", you have
to trade in any vestige of nuanced speech. And you must speak like
a child new to language to express that "you are a child". This is
all extremely unfamiliar thinking to me and I don't think I will
take to it ... maybe this is why I don't like much of meat-and-
potatoes blues either ...

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Hah.  I don't know how you persisted to read them through, let alone be
shaken by them.  The text of amazing grace is indeed pretty lame.  The
simple melody has a commendable sturdiness and a pentatonic simplicity that
makes it memorable and accessible.  I'm quite susceptible to the emotional
impact of music (which is doubtless the reason I was willing to take the
time necessary to get a degree in music, an exercise that significantly
diminished its emotional impact), but this kind of melody doesn't really get
to me on its own. I think hearing it at funerals eventually creates a
conditioned response.


>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@TMETIC.COM>
>I hope it's not taken as offensive when I say that I feel completely
>shaken by the first two paragraphs. I can't bring myself to take them
>even slightly seriously. Could it be that that's why a lot of people
>shy from ALL rhyming metrical poems? Because those are a couple of
>atrocious paragraphs.
>
>Actually, I have always felt that even "Amazing Grace" is a pretty
>childish song. I mean I feel moved by it, but for rather different
>reasons which I won't go into ... It bolsters the impression that
>if you want depth of feeling, especially "for everyman", you have
>to trade in any vestige of nuanced speech. And you must speak like
>a child new to language to express that "you are a child". This is
>all extremely unfamiliar thinking to me and I don't think I will
>take to it ... maybe this is why I don't like much of meat-and-
>potatoes blues either ...

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> Actually, I have always felt that even "Amazing
> Grace" is a pretty
> childish song. I mean I feel moved by it, but for
> rather different
> reasons which I won't go into ... It bolsters the
> impression that
> if you want depth of feeling, especially "for
> everyman", you have
> to trade in any vestige of nuanced speech. And you
> must speak like
> a child new to language to express that "you are a
> child". This is
> all extremely unfamiliar thinking to me and I don't
> think I will
> take to it ... maybe this is why I don't like much
> of meat-and-
> potatoes blues either ...

Perhaps this goes back to the "all children of God"
thing.  The Fundamentalists (and all sects were, at
one time) preferred their religion plain and tall -
easy to grasp.  Besides, it is easier to guide numbers
of persons who feel they are sheep in a fold.

Regardless of the atrocity of lyrics and melodies,
these simplistic hymns seem to provide comfort to
those raised in the Christian church.  At least,
that's the case for me, and at this point, I have not
a clue as to what I believe religiously.  They
represent the familiar in a calm, non-threatening
environment.
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02003-09-16 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> It's a first draft.  I think it could be improved by changing "our fellow
> citizens," with its faintly smug, patronizing air, to "we".

Funny ... I think "we" sounds smug and patronizing ...

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02003-09-16 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Hah.  I don't know how you persisted to read them through, let alone be
> shaken by them.  The text of amazing grace is indeed pretty lame.  The
> simple melody has a commendable sturdiness and a pentatonic simplicity that
> makes it memorable and accessible.  I'm quite susceptible to the emotional
> impact of music (which is doubtless the reason I was willing to take the
> time necessary to get a degree in music, an exercise that significantly
> diminished its emotional impact), but this kind of melody doesn't really
> get to me on its own. I think hearing it at funerals eventually creates
> a conditioned response.

However, (a) it is unthinkable for it to be heard at, e.g. a nosh
pit, which makes the conditioning at least a little non-arbitrary,
(b) don't you think the sound of bagpipes has some exploitative
physical properties?

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Tushar:
> Actually, I have always felt that even "Amazing Grace" is a pretty
> childish song.

It's the "saved a wretch like me"
that gets me.

                - D. M.

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That's because you're subtle. I was just hoping to befuddle a bunch of
Mississippians.  How about "us"?

>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@TMETIC.COM>
>Funny ... I think "we" sounds smug and patronizing ...

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Check this out:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/16/science/16MUSI.html


>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@TMETIC.COM>
>However, (a) it is unthinkable for it to be heard at, e.g. a nosh
>pit, which makes the conditioning at least a little non-arbitrary,
>(b) don't you think the sound of bagpipes has some exploitative
>physical properties?

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Listening the BBC this evening, I heard the excerpt below from Bush's Sept.
7 speech.  Now I see what we were fighting against in Iraq: mismanagement.

"This budget request will also support our commitment to helping the Iraqi
and Afghan people rebuild their own nations, after decades of oppression and
mismanagement. We will provide funds to help them improve security. And we
will help them to restore basic services, such as electricity and water, and
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02003-09-16 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> I was just hoping to befuddle a bunch of Mississippians.

Carry on then ...

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> I hope it's not taken as offensive when I say that I feel completely
> shaken by the first two paragraphs. I can't bring myself to take them
> even slightly seriously. Could it be that that's why a lot of people
> shy from ALL rhyming metrical poems? Because those are a couple of
> atrocious paragraphs.

When searching for that hymn last night, I came upon a website of
Unitarian prayers, medidations, invocations, etc. and was surprised at
how many of them struck me as silly sounding.  Part of it might have
been in the sitting here reading them on a computer screen rather than
hearing them in a church-like setting.  Some would start out ok and
suddenly toss in specific examples that sounded somehow laughable.  I
was reminded of Wordsworth's "The Idiot Boy," who goes brrrr, brrrr,
brrrr.  A few weren't bad, though.

> Actually, I have always felt that even "Amazing Grace" is a pretty
> childish song. I mean I feel moved by it, but for rather different
> reasons which I won't go into ... It bolsters the impression that
> if you want depth of feeling, especially "for everyman", you have
> to trade in any vestige of nuanced speech. And you must speak like

I prefer AG without the lyrics -- like a lone bagpiper in the distance.
I think I might have told here about the day I was eating a sandwich in
that wonderful small park next to St. Julien le Pauvre -- across the
river from Notre Dame, listening to a bagpiper playing (AG, among other
things) on the bridge.  I went over there and tipped him hugely because
I had found his music extremely moving.

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> Regardless of the atrocity of lyrics and melodies,
> these simplistic hymns seem to provide comfort to
> those raised in the Christian church.  At least,
> that's the case for me, and at this point, I have not
> a clue as to what I believe religiously.  They
> represent the familiar in a calm, non-threatening
> environment.

Yes!

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No time to discuss right now -- busy day to leap into.  But I just read
something that gave me pause re Clark.  This is the kind of thing I
meant about not knowing enough about him yet to feel comfortable being
"for" him:

http://www.commondreams.org/news2003/0916-10.htm

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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:31:02 -0400, Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
wrote:

>Listening the BBC this evening, I heard the excerpt below from Bush's Sept.
>7 speech.  Now I see what we were fighting against in Iraq: mismanagement.
>
>"This budget request will also support our commitment to helping the Iraqi
>and Afghan people rebuild their own nations, after decades of oppression and
>mismanagement. We will provide funds to help them improve security. And we
>will help them to restore basic services, such as electricity and water, and
>to build new schools, roads and medical clinics."
>
As the mismanagement that destroyed basic services and kept them from being
rebuilt in Iraq was his father's, I consider this the first intelligent remark.

clo

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At 11:31 PM 9/16/2003 -0400, Marty Rosen wrote:
>Listening the BBC this evening, I heard the excerpt below from Bush's Sept.
>7 speech.  Now I see what we were fighting against in Iraq: mismanagement.
>
>"This budget request will also support our commitment to helping the Iraqi
>and Afghan people rebuild their own nations, after decades of oppression and
>mismanagement. We will provide funds to help them improve security. And we
>will help them to restore basic services, such as electricity and water, and
>to build new schools, roads and medical clinics."

Given his history, mismanagement is certainly something he is familiar with.

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> No time to discuss right now -- busy day to leap
> into.  But I just read
> something that gave me pause re Clark.  This is the
> kind of thing I
> meant about not knowing enough about him yet to feel
> comfortable being
> "for" him:


We could really get a better handle on him if he were
related to Larry.  Larry?  Does he be your kin?

And in as much as she's bad, and all, the Gen. may be
related to Betty, as well.

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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:22:19 -0400, Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM>
wrote:

>Hah.  I don't know how you persisted to read them through, let alone be
>shaken by them.  The text of amazing grace is indeed pretty lame.  The
>simple melody has a commendable sturdiness and a pentatonic simplicity that
>makes it memorable and accessible.  I'm quite susceptible to the emotional
>impact of music (which is doubtless the reason I was willing to take the
>time necessary to get a degree in music, an exercise that significantly
>diminished its emotional impact), but this kind of melody doesn't really
get
>to me on its own. I think hearing it at funerals eventually creates a
>conditioned response.
>

Yes - acute nausea.
clo

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02003-09-16 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Listening the BBC this evening, I heard the excerpt below from Bush's Sept.
> 7 speech.  Now I see what we were fighting against in Iraq: mismanagement.
>
> "This budget request will also support our commitment to helping the Iraqi
> and Afghan people rebuild their own nations, after decades of oppression and
> mismanagement. We will provide funds to help them improve security. And we
> will help them to restore basic services, such as electricity and water, and
> to build new schools, roads and medical clinics."

I just thought of a good one:

Mismanagement? He'd know about that!

HAR...

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The guy was a general, after all, and was hawkish in Kosovo
(http://www.thenation.com/edcut/index.mhtml?bid=7)

But let's face it, that's true of very nearly the entire democratic party.
At this point, we're stuck in Iraq, and we're likely stuck there alone,
until we have an administration that forgoes lunatic unilateralist policies.
  Just pulling out isn't a realistic option; it would be, if such is
possible, even stupider than the original invasion.  And I don't think Bush
and his minions can find the will or the smarts to heal relationships with
old Europe.  When the time comes, the big factors are likely to be the
economy/budget and Iraq/terror.  The only graceful way out of the problem in
Iraq is to share the burden, and Clark might be capable of rebuilding some
alliances with the U.N. and Europe.  I wonder whether Dean or Edwards, is
capable of that?

Does anyone know the relationship between Clark and Powell?  Though Powell
should have resigned long ago, Clark, with Powell at State, would be far
better than Clinton/Albright or Bush/Powell.  And I think we could count on
Clark to repeal the Bush tax cuts.

>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
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>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Not Sounding Good (re WC)
>Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 05:47:48 -0500
>
>No time to discuss right now -- busy day to leap into.  But I just read
>something that gave me pause re Clark.  This is the kind of thing I
>meant about not knowing enough about him yet to feel comfortable being
>"for" him:
>
>http://www.commondreams.org/news2003/0916-10.htm
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On the front of the dust cover of the Gleick book re:
Isaac, there is a red spot.  This is a new book, and
blood has not been shed over it yet.  My husband asks
if that red spot is the apple.

Discuss, please.


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Lynne Weber writes,

>My husband asks if that red spot is the apple.

I think the real question is why the jacket designer thinks Eremaeus is a
good typeface for "Isaac Newton".

(Name trivia: the Eremaeidae are fungivorous mites.)

Pete

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> I think the real question is why the jacket designer
> thinks Eremaeus is a
> good typeface for "Isaac Newton".
>
> (Name trivia: the Eremaeidae are fungivorous mites.)


The publisher's assistant must have given the designer
free range on design, but stipulated, "Dust jackets
must be fungi-free."

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02003-09-17 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> On the front of the dust cover of the Gleick book re:
> Isaac, there is a red spot.  This is a new book, and
> blood has not been shed over it yet.  My husband asks
> if that red spot is the apple.
>
> Discuss, please.

The first thing I do with a hardback is take the dust
jacket off, so I don't remember much. One strange thing
I do remember is that I got the book for a lower price,
and the copy had a matte jacket as opposed to glossy,
and a torn-off price label. Which, strangely, had taken
away the red dot with it. Though we can safely say that
a red spot on a dust jacket is not an apple, it is likely
that the "apple" was taken as a sort of thematic starting
point by the designer ...

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Marty Rosen wrote:
>
> The guy was a general, after all, and was hawkish in Kosovo
> (http://www.thenation.com/edcut/index.mhtml?bid=7)
>
> But let's face it, that's true of very nearly the entire democratic party.

Yes.  I haven't looked at your url above yet -- I glance at The Nation
fairly often but haven't today -- this week is crammed.  I also didn't
read every word carefully of the article that led to my subject header.
What I was questioning was what seemed to be possible chameleon
behavior.  What I've liked about Dean, at least re Iraq, is that he has
said what he thought since the beginning.  He has, of course, changed
positions on some issues -- Cuba, social security, campaign finance.
I'm not suggesting that it's <evil> for somebody to change a position.
But I don't like the looks of too much political flip-flopping,
particularly about something as serious as attacking another country.
Although I don't like hawkishness, I have liked various hawks -- Bill
Clinton is a notable examples.  He was certainly a hawk, yet I think he
was a good POTUS in most ways.  And he didn't alienate the rest of the
world.  He also waged war without UN approval, but at least he gave
reasons and got a sort of after-the-fact nod.  He didn't talk as if the
rest of the world was <irrelevant>.

> At this point, we're stuck in Iraq, and we're likely stuck there alone,
> until we have an administration that forgoes lunatic unilateralist policies.

>   Just pulling out isn't a realistic option; it would be, if such is
> possible, even stupider than the original invasion.  And I don't think Bush

I certainly do not think we should pull out.  That would be disastrous.

> and his minions can find the will or the smarts to heal relationships with
> old Europe.  When the time comes, the big factors are likely to be the
> economy/budget and Iraq/terror.  The only graceful way out of the problem in
> Iraq is to share the burden, and Clark might be capable of rebuilding some
> alliances with the U.N. and Europe.  I wonder whether Dean or Edwards, is
> capable of that?

Either Dean or Edwards (or for that matter *any* of the candidates)
would probably be able to do a tiny bit of mending.  Iow, pretty much
anybody would be a big improvement, and the ousting of Dubya would no
doubt help raise US credibility in the world.  But you may be right that
Clark could do a quicker and better job of it.  As I think I said a
while back, the damage that Dubya et al have done in one term will be
very difficult to repair, but I think it can be done.  If they're left
in office for eight years, I fear that the damage will be irreparable.

> Does anyone know the relationship between Clark and Powell?  Though Powell
> should have resigned long ago, Clark, with Powell at State, would be far
> better than Clinton/Albright or Bush/Powell.  And I think we could count on
> Clark to repeal the Bush tax cuts.

I've wondered quite a bit about what's been going in Powell's head the
past couple of years.  Remember how he continued to be the voice of
reason for a while and then suddenly seemed to become another pawn in
Rummy's wargame?  I've wondered what his life must have been like.  I
bet he has rued the day he agreed to join this administration.  He had
retired with a spotless reputation.  It's pretty leopard-like now.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> The first thing I do with a hardback is take the dust
> jacket off,

Me too.  I hate dust jackets, at least when I'm reading a book.

I am very much looking forward to removing the dust jacket and leaping
into the book you sent me, Lynne.  As I think I told you when it
arrived, I am not letting myself open it until I get my cluttered life
under control a bit better.  I'm majorly over-extended right now and
will be for a while yet.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Where are BrP and Karen?  Have they run off together?  Does Steve know?
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>Where are BrP and Karen?  Have they run off together?  Does Steve know?
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

BrP is on an excused absence and Karen has, possibly, committed suicide.


bonnie

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I was surprised to see that Bar Harbor is actually taking some precautions
because of the hurricane.  I'm sure the only thing we will get is some
ocean swells.  I walked the Shore Path in town this afternoon.  The
Margaret Todd, a four-masted excursion schooner, was anchored off it's
dock.  That's not all that unusual.  She will do that for any storm.  But
three of the docks have pulled up their gangways and loosely tethered the
floating dock to the pier with ropes.    One other time I remember them
actually pulling the floating docks out of the water because of a hurricane.

But the whale watchers and the kayak tours were still going out this
afternoon.  And there was yet another cruise ship in harbor.

Poor North Carolina.  It looks like the eye of the hurricane will come on
shore very close to the place that Clyde and I used to vacation every year
-- the Morehead City area.  I hope the beach and the homes aren't hurt too
badly.  I hope the dunes aren't lost.  I hope our favorite motel does not
sustain serious damage.

bonnie

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> Marty Rosen wrote:
> >
> > The guy was a general, after all, and was hawkish in Kosovo
> >

Yes.  I'm hoping he may be able to explain
what was the big threat and why we needed
to go into Kosovo . . and why we are still
there.

                      - D. M.

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At 08:04 PM 9/17/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:

>Poor North Carolina.  It looks like the eye of the hurricane will come on
>shore very close to the place that Clyde and I used to vacation every year
>-- the Morehead City area.

...and where the two Beachfests have been held

>  I hope the beach and the homes aren't hurt too
>badly.  I hope the dunes aren't lost.  I hope our favorite motel does not
>sustain serious damage.

Like most barrier islands, Bogue Bank (where we have stayed and hope to,
again, this next spring), is, in geological terms, a temporary thing---and
in some areas, rendered even more temporary by the dumbass things that
people do.  Last time we were there, the effects of storm-driven erosion
were evident.  I suspect that Isabel will enhance the effects.  As for
here, it probably will be Friday or Saturday before we see much of an
effect, given the latest predictions of Isabel's landfall.

cwv

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So . . . the first trial has begun in the case of the guys who went into one of our banks last
year and gunned down 5 people.  Today
members of the families of the deceased saw
films shown in the courtroom of the gunning
down of their loved ones.  Must have been
tough.  The one man presently on trial just
looked down.  From the time they entered the
bank until the time they left 5 people dead
took exactly 45 seconds.  It was all caught on
tape, plus their shoe prints as they jumped over
the counter.   We are paying attorneys to defend them, and it's all dragggggging out.  

              - D. M.

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> I think the real question is why the jacket designer thinks Eremaeus is a
> good typeface for "Isaac Newton".

It is pretty ugly - some Arts and Crafts font in the funhouse mirror. And
that quasi-shadow font the author's name is in is ugly, too.

Yes, I *can* criticize anything I see! It's a gift, really.

--Adam

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bonniev wrote:

> Poor North Carolina.  It looks like the eye of the hurricane will come on
> shore very close to the place that Clyde and I used to vacation every year
> -- the Morehead City area.  I hope the beach and the homes aren't hurt too
> badly.  I hope the dunes aren't lost.  I hope our favorite motel does not
> sustain serious damage.

The BeachFest locale?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > Marty Rosen wrote:
> > >
> > > The guy was a general, after all, and was hawkish in Kosovo
> > >
>
> Yes.  I'm hoping he may be able to explain
> what was the big threat and why we needed
> to go into Kosovo . . and why we are still
> there.

I don't remember any talk about threats re Kosovo (or Bosnia) in the
sense of stockpiles of WMD about to <get us>.  I do remember questioning
our involvement.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> The first thing I do with a hardback is take the
> dust
> jacket off, so I don't remember much. One strange
> thing
> I do remember is that I got the book for a lower
> price,
> and the copy had a matte jacket as opposed to
> glossy,
> and a torn-off price label. Which, strangely, had
> taken
> away the red dot with it. Though we can safely say
> that
> a red spot on a dust jacket is not an apple, it is
> likely
> that the "apple" was taken as a sort of thematic
> starting
> point by the designer ...

And I have so informed him.  When I first received the
book, I wondered if publishers reserved matte finished
jackets for "brainier books"; because they don't have
to dazzle the eyes of the intellectual.

Looking through my books, I do notice that most matte
jackets clothe non-fiction books.  I'd like to take a
crash course in the psychology of book publishing.

Thank for your views on this apple subject.

I worry about you, though.  Have you given any thought
to having Bethany's priest in for an apartment
blessing?



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Doris Markland wrote:

>    We are paying attorneys to defend them, and it's all dragggggging out.

What exactly is causing the dragging?  (I assume that it's the dragging
out that you are objecting to, not the paying of attorneys -- unless you
really truly don't believe in the American way.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> > Does anyone know the relationship between Clark
> and Powell?  Though Powell
> > should have resigned long ago, Clark, with Powell
> at State, would be far
> > better than Clinton/Albright or Bush/Powell.  And
> I think we could count on
> > Clark to repeal the Bush tax cuts.
>
> I've wondered quite a bit about what's been going in
> Powell's head the
> past couple of years.  Remember how he continued to
> be the voice of
> reason for a while and then suddenly seemed to
> become another pawn in
> Rummy's wargame?  I've wondered what his life must
> have been like.  I
> bet he has rued the day he agreed to join this
> administration.  He had
> retired with a spotless reputation.  It's pretty
> leopard-like now.


This Clark-Powell thing may well be one of the most
intriguing pieces of this whole puzzle.  Maybe I'll
find some answers as I read on down these posts.

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--- bonniev <bonniev@GWI.NET> wrote:
> >Where are BrP and Karen?  Have they run off
> together?  Does Steve know?
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> BrP is on an excused absence and Karen has,
> possibly, committed suicide.


I must admit, the room has been strangely silent for
the last 24 hrs.


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  From the time they entered the
> bank until the time they left 5 people dead
> took exactly 45 seconds.  It was all caught on
> tape, plus their shoe prints as they jumped over
> the counter.   We are paying attorneys to defend
> them, and it's all dragggggging out.


The products of broken homes and disadvantaged
childhoods, no doubt.

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Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> > > Does anyone know the relationship between Clark
> > and Powell?  Though Powell
> > > should have resigned long ago, Clark, with Powell
> > at State, would be far
> > > better than Clinton/Albright or Bush/Powell.  And
> > I think we could count on
> > > Clark to repeal the Bush tax cuts.
> >
> > I've wondered quite a bit about what's been going in
> > Powell's head the
> > past couple of years.  Remember how he continued to
> > be the voice of
> > reason for a while and then suddenly seemed to
> > become another pawn in
> > Rummy's wargame?  I've wondered what his life must
> > have been like.  I
> > bet he has rued the day he agreed to join this
> > administration.  He had
> > retired with a spotless reputation.  It's pretty
> > leopard-like now.
>
> This Clark-Powell thing may well be one of the most
> intriguing pieces of this whole puzzle.  Maybe I'll
> find some answers as I read on down these posts.

I didn't edit out anything to shorten because I wasn't sure what you
meant by this Clark-Powell thing re pieces of the puzzle or re answers,
and thus I wanted all the preceding stuff present.  Clark and Powell
would be an unusual team in a way re <matters of state> since they are
both (former) military.  But I'm not sure what answers you are looking
for when reading further.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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In a message dated 9/17/2003 8:45:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
I must admit, the room has been strangely silent for
the last 24 hrs.

>>

I've received more messages from WX-ATLAN than
WORDS-L today.

I can't wait until Daisy stops chewing on everything.
With her, it's "see the object, chew the object."
She has plenty of chew toys and boxes, but she
prefers books, tapes, cables, etc."

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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> > I hope the dunes aren't lost.  I hope our favorite motel does not
> > sustain serious damage.
>
>The BeachFest locale?
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Yup.  http://www.atlantislodge.com/


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> > This Clark-Powell thing may well be one of the
> most
> > intriguing pieces of this whole puzzle.  Maybe
> I'll
> > find some answers as I read on down these posts.
>
> I didn't edit out anything to shorten because I
> wasn't sure what you
> meant by this Clark-Powell thing re pieces of the
> puzzle or re answers,
> and thus I wanted all the preceding stuff present.
> Clark and Powell
> would be an unusual team in a way re <matters of
> state> since they are
> both (former) military.  But I'm not sure what
> answers you are looking
> for when reading further.

What I actually meant was how do they actually feel
about each other, what has happened if and when they
have some to loggerheads in the military
establishment, do they see one another socially, do
they talk mil. strategy or political issues?  Do they
even know each other very well?

The puzzle is how one individual can assemble this
bevy of egos, "the Cabinet", and then somehow make the
machinery of government work;  and also, how that same
group of egos can operate viably when under the thumb
of a predominant president.


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--- Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> wrote:
> In a message dated 9/17/2003 8:45:27 PM Central
> Daylight Time,
> lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
> <<
> I must admit, the room has been strangely silent for
> the last 24 hrs.

> >>
>
> I've received more messages from WX-ATLAN than
> WORDS-L today.

They are all secretly making preparations to appear on
"Survivor".  Ms. Kay is reshooting her demo tape.
>
> I can't wait until Daisy stops chewing on
> everything.
> With her, it's "see the object, chew the object."
> She has plenty of chew toys and boxes, but she
> prefers books, tapes, cables, etc."

Jaysie is not allowed in the part of the house where
the computer pulsates.  Every night, I have to give
her a rawhide "chip".  It is, in fact, a bribe.  But
she quit chewing about the time she was 1 year old.
That's not a fair measure, because she was almost 1
when we got her.  She was found by the side of a road
with a broken leg.  Her BIG problem with
housebreaking.  I don't mean she broke into houses -
well, you know what I mean.

Then a minor crisis broke the surface for the humans,
and Jaysie suddenly quit having accidents.  It was as
though she knew we couldn't take another nuisance.
>From that day until this, she had been a perfect lady,
in the doggy sense.


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> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> >    We are paying attorneys to defend them, and it's all dragggggging
out.
>
> What exactly is causing the dragging?  (I assume that it's the
dragging
> out that you are objecting to, not the paying of attorneys -- unless
you
> really truly don't believe in the American way.)
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>

Nothing new.  All trials drag out.
In this case, the attorneys said they
needed a year to prepare the case, and
they have taken a year.  It boggles my
mind, since it's a pretty clear-cut case
with loads of actual evidence.

                   - D. M.

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On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

>Nothing new.  All trials drag out.
>In this case, the attorneys said they
>needed a year to prepare the case, and
>they have taken a year.  It boggles my
>mind, since it's a pretty clear-cut case
>with loads of actual evidence.

Then of course, as you know, it will take defense a while to work up the
kind of defense they are required by law to present - they must defend
their clients zealously within the bounds of the law.

Bethany

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On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 19:30:39 -0700, Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> wrote:

>--- Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> wrote:
>> In a message dated 9/17/2003 8:45:27 PM Central
>> Daylight Time,
>> lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
>> <<
>> I must admit, the room has been strangely silent for
>> the last 24 hrs.
>
>> >>
>>
>> I've received more messages from WX-ATLAN than
>> WORDS-L today.
>
>They are all secretly making preparations to appear on
>"Survivor".  Ms. Kay is reshooting her demo tape.
>>

It's a doozy, too. I must admit that I find Words-L strangely quiet and
ordinary the last few days. I will break the suspense and admit I have heard
from Karen backchannel, and no one's plane has gone down over a remote
Pacific island, afik.

clo

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There's a A Dictionary of Comicbook Words on Historical Principles at
http://collection.nlc-bnc.ca/100/200/300/ktaylor/kaboom/Kaboomhome.htm

Ann

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On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> It's a doozy, too. I must admit that I find Words-L strangely quiet and
> ordinary the last few days. I will break the suspense and admit I have heard
> from Karen backchannel, and no one's plane has gone down over a remote
> Pacific island, afik.

Has she unsubbed again?

Ann

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At first, I thought this was just fun.  Later, I grew to respect the rigor
of the syndetic links.  This may be the most ado about nothing ever.
Astonishing.

>From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET>
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>There's a A Dictionary of Comicbook Words on Historical Principles at
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>Ann

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In a message dated 9/17/2003 9:30:57 PM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
That's not a fair measure, because she was almost 1
when we got her.  She was found by the side of a road
with a broken leg.
>>

I'm glad you found her; some people would have put her down
for that.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

>In a message dated 9/17/2003 9:30:57 PM Central Daylight Time,
>lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
><<
>
>I'm glad you found her; some people would have put her down
>for that
>
Note to self:  Never try to follow a thread on this <service>.

I was curious to know that Karen was O.K., read Clo's post about backchannel communication and then this!

Rita L. (wondering for a while just what kind of people live in Tulsa)

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Rita Leonard wrote:

> >I'm glad you found her; some people would have put her down
> >for that
> >
> Note to self:  Never try to follow a thread on this <service>.
>
> I was curious to know that Karen was O.K., read Clo's post about backchannel communication and then this!

LOL.

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This is an interesting (not profound, not startling, just somewhat
interesting) editorial on Wesley Clark -- not unlike some things I've
read elsewhere:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27039-2003Sep17.html

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Two interesting items (three if you count that one of the county
schools is temporarily closed because snakes kept entering the
building during the school day and slithering around):  (1) A
Diabetes Festival is set for Saturday -- celebrating diabetes?
(2) "[Mary Holmes College] is not technically closed, Rhodes
said.  However, there are no students, no faculty, and little
staff."  Faculty may be the university, but I guess they aren't
the two-year college.  Little staff must be.
   --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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http://www.leoweekly.com/archives/091703/diningguide.shtml

and for this week's review (though I have a dispute with the headline and a
couple of copy editing decisions that made my prose even worse than usual):
http://www.leoweekly.com/archives/091703/dining.shtml

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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 05:29:41 -0500, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

>This is an interesting (not profound, not startling, just somewhat
>interesting) editorial on Wesley Clark -- not unlike some things I've
>read elsewhere:
>
>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27039-2003Sep17.html
>
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I had a student walk into my office to try to get me to sign her petition to
draft Clark - even though he had announced that morning and she had gotten
up early to see the webcast!

Such devotion. I was not impressed by her glib explanation that "she's a
pacifist but it's practical to have a military man as Commander in Chief".

clo

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--- Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:
> This is an interesting (not profound, not startling,
> just somewhat
> interesting) editorial on Wesley Clark -- not unlike
> some things I've
> read elsewhere:
>
>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27039-2003Sep17.html


This article just makes me curiouser and curiouser.
Surely we'll have ample time to be able to judge his
give and take as a candidate.  For one thing, I think
he needs a loomier presence.  We just don't know much
about him other than the bald facts of his resume.

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> This is an interesting (not profound, not startling, just somewhat
> interesting) editorial on Wesley Clark -- not unlike some things I've
> read elsewhere:
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27039-2003Sep17.html
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Yes, that was interesting. I have liked Clark when I've seen him
interviewed about military stuff during the war, etc.  but during this
campaign we may see some other sides of him.
Still, I like him more than Dean.

                           - D. M.

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02003-09-17 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Me too.  I hate dust jackets, at least when I'm reading a book.

What about tags on T-shirts?

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02003-09-17 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> At first, I thought this was just fun.  Later, I grew to respect the rigor
> of the syndetic links.

Rigor mortis, you mean?

> This may be the most ado about nothing ever. Astonishing.

"Ker-splash" can't possibly be as young as 1994!

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> What about tags on T-shirts?


Slice 'em off, red dots and all.

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--- Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> wrote:
> Go to this address.   When you get the picture,
> click on the little guy in the right hand corner and
> follow the instructions!
>
> Anyone know how this works?  Beats me.
>
> http://digicc.com/fido/
>

I  tried it 3 times, and couldn't get past the "draw a
circle around" frame.  I don't know how it works, and
I don't know how it does not work.

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> --- Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> wrote:
> > Go to this address.   When you get the picture,
> > click on the little guy in the right hand corner and
> > follow the instructions!
> >
> > Anyone know how this works?  Beats me.
> >
> > http://digicc.com/fido/
> >
>
> I  tried it 3 times, and couldn't get past the "draw a
> circle around" frame.  I don't know how it works, and
> I don't know how it does not work.
>

Hmm.  I've been there several times and gone through the whole exercise,
each time with the same surprising result.

Maybe I gave you a bad link or something.

             - D. M.

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>Hmm.  I've been there several times and gone through the whole exercise,
>each time with the same surprising result.
>
>Maybe I gave you a bad link or something.
>              - D. M.

I got it.   Don't know how it works but I'm sure it has something to do
with subtracting the numbers whose numeral order has simply changed.


bonnie

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>I  tried it 3 times, and couldn't get past the "draw a
>circle around" frame.  I don't know how it works, and
>I don't know how it does not work.

Did you type the number in the frame?


bonnie

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Doris Markland:
= Go to this address.   When you get the picture, click on the little guy in the right hand corner and follow the instructions!
=
= Anyone know how this works?  Beats me.
=
= http://digicc.com/fido/
=
=
=             - D. M.

I'll leave it to the bald guy to do the explaining, but let's
just say it's MATH.  If you really cared, you could learn how to
figure it out.  I'm sure I could, but I'd rather write a snotty
email than actually do it.

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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:09:34 -0500
From: Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>
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Subject: Re: Numbers game
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:59:20 -0500, Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> wrote:

> Go to this address.   When you get the picture, click on the little guy in the
> right hand corner and follow the instructions!
>
> Anyone know how this works?  Beats me.
>
> http://digicc.com/fido/

        Well, here's part of the answer.

        Write down a four-digit number (actually this will work with any integer of 2
or more digits), then scramble the digits and subtract the smaller number from
the larger.  There's already something interesting about this difference -- it
is always evenly divisible by 9, though I don't understand why.  Anyway, now add
up the digits of your result.  If you get something with more than one digit,
add up those digits.  Repeat until you get a one-digit number.  Did you get 9?
Yes, you did, because for some reason that I don't understand, multiples of 9
have this property in our base-10 system.

        Leave out a digit and tell me all the others, and I can find out which one you
left out, because when I add the digits you gave me I'll get some other digit as
a result, unless you left out a 0 or a 9, in which case I'll still get 9 as a
result.  It's more impressive if I say "It's 9" instead of "It's either 0 or 9,"
so I just have to make sure that you don't choose 0 to leave out, which this
puzzle does (don't circle zero, "'cause that's already a circle").  So now I can
always tell you what digit I need to add to the ones you told me to make your
result 9.

--
Take care,
Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>
Understanding some of it, if not all

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> Doris Markland:
> = Go to this address.   When you get the picture, click on the little
guy in the right hand corner and follow the instructions!
> =
> = Anyone know how this works?  Beats me.
> =
> = http://digicc.com/fido/
> =
> =
> =             - D. M.
>
> I'll leave it to the bald guy to do the explaining, but let's
> just say it's MATH.  If you really cared, you could learn how to
> figure it out.  I'm sure I could, but I'd rather write a snotty
> email than actually do it.

Besides, snotty emails are more fun to
read than intellectual ones.

Besides, this sounds like all the smokers I have known (including
myself) who said "well, I could quit if I wanted to  . . I just don't
want to."

              - D. M.

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>
> > Go to this address.   When you get the picture, click on the little
guy in the
> > right hand corner and follow the instructions!
> >
> > Anyone know how this works?  Beats me.
> >
> > http://digicc.com/fido/
>
>         Well, here's part of the answer.
>
>         Write down a four-digit number (actually this will work with
any integer of 2
> or more digits), then scramble the digits and subtract the smaller
number from
> the larger.  There's already something interesting about this
difference -- it
> is always evenly divisible by 9, though I don't understand why.
Anyway, now add
> up the digits of your result.  If you get something with more than one
digit,
> add up those digits.  Repeat until you get a one-digit number.  Did
you get 9?
> Yes, you did, because for some reason that I don't understand,
multiples of 9
> have this property in our base-10 system.
>
>         Leave out a digit and tell me all the others, and I can find
out which one you
> left out, because when I add the digits you gave me I'll get some
other digit as
> a result, unless you left out a 0 or a 9, in which case I'll still get
9 as a
> result.  It's more impressive if I say "It's 9" instead of "It's
either 0 or 9,"
> so I just have to make sure that you don't choose 0 to leave out,
which this
> puzzle does (don't circle zero, "'cause that's already a circle").  So
now I can
> always tell you what digit I need to add to the ones you told me to
make your
> result 9.
>
> --
> Take care,
> Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>
> Understanding some of it, if not all


Aha!  The man is a genuis.

         - D. M.

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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:55:47 -0500
From: Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:25:23 -0500, Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> wrote:

> Aha!  The man is a genuis.

        Awww ... shucks ...

--
Take care,
Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>
Tried the number-guessing routine on some cow orkers and it didn't work

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> Did you type the number in the frame?
>

Yup.  Got it now, thanks.

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In a message dated 9/18/2003 9:54:39 AM, scribble@TMETIC.COM writes:

>What about tags on T-shirts?

Hate them too. Cut them of immediately. Theo

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It's not that hard to understand it. This is sort of the
way my grandfather showed me:

Add the digits of 10. You get 1. In other words, for 10,
adding digits is the same as subtracting 9.

Hence, adding the digits of 20 is the same as subtracting
18, adding the digits of 30 is the same as subtracting 27,
etc.

Now take something which is not a multiple of 10, say 34.
It's 30 + 4. If you do 3 + 4 instead, you have cast out,
what? 27, a multiple of 9.

Also, for any 1000...000 type of number (power of ten),
adding all digits is the same as subtracting 999....999,
which is a multiple of 9.

So for a large number, say 8356, if you replace 8000 by 8,
300 by 3 and 50 by 5, each time you are casting out multiples
of 9. Hence, replacing all of 8356 by 8+3+5+6 is the same
as taking away a large number of 9s. Doing the same for
the resulting number just continues the process: 22 -> 4.

Ergo, repeatedly adding digits eventually leads you to the
remainder after division by 9. (Except instead of 0 you get
9, not a terribly important detail ...)

NOW: if getting the remainder is the same as adding up digits,
what does that say about digit-permuted numbers? That they
have the SAME remainder after dividing by 9. Which means:
their difference is a multiple of 9. (X number of 9s and
3 over, minus Y number of 9s and 3 over = some number of
9s).

That's all you are doing: from a seemingly random process,
you are first getting a multiple of 9, then "verifying" that
it's a multiple of 9 by adding its digits and getting ... 9.

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@tmetic.com>
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How to find if numbers are divisible by 2, 3, 4 etc ...
(I am making it sound like my grandfather invented this
but it's of course the oldest bit of folklore):

2: if it ends in an even number
3: adding the digits gives you 3, 6 or 9
4: last two digits are divisible by 4
5: ends in 5 or 0
6: divisible by 2 and 3
7: "there is no trick" (see below)
8: last THREE digits divisible by 8
9: add digits

12, 15, 18 and stuff: use 4x3, 5x3, 9x2 etc

For 11 and especially 7, it's not really worth it. Still:
11: add and subtract alternate digits. 737 -> 7 - 3 + 7 = 11
    (followed pedantically by 11 -> 1 - 1 = 0). Hence, yes,
    737 is divisible.

7: add and subtract alternate 3-digit chunks: 1640961 ->
   961 - 640 + 001 = 322, which is divisible by 7, so, yes.
   The exact same procedure works for 13.

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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

> Go to this address.   When you get the picture, click on the little guy in the right hand corner and follow the instructions!
>
> Anyone know how this works?  Beats me.
>
> http://digicc.com/fido/

HA HA HA HA He didn't guess MY number!

That's 'cause I am a MORON!

Ann

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Smiley's People is now out on VHS and DVD---see:

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This site also has the Tinker, Tailor.. set.

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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 13:09:54 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@TMETIC.COM> wrote:

> NOW: if getting the remainder is the same as adding up digits,
> what does that say about digit-permuted numbers? That they
> have the SAME remainder after dividing by 9. Which means:
> their difference is a multiple of 9. (X number of 9s and
> 3 over, minus Y number of 9s and 3 over = some number of
> 9s).

        This is extremely cool.

--
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> That's all you are doing: from a seemingly random
> process,
> you are first getting a multiple of 9, then
> "verifying" that
> it's a multiple of 9 by adding its digits and
> getting ... 9.
I don't know, there is a certain smugness about all of
this... almost as though the whole thing had been
dreamed up so T.S. could explain it.

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02003-09-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Monday, September 15, 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> >> Do we want to have India's infrastructure?
>
> > You must admit, this teeters on the brink of dog-in-the-manger.
>
> I don't understand this comment.

*HUG*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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How was it?

AS

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02003-09-18 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> That's 'cause I am a MORON!

A certain coworker who excels in "vanilla folder"-isms has
contributed gems such as:

1 That yacht on the lake is ... CRAVING my soul
2 Come on, it's just a hop, two skips and away!
3 That's why I was the first thing that the topic brought up ...

But these were done over months, whereas yesterday we got three
in three minutes from a challenger.

1 OK, put your thinking toes on
2 I liked the story, I guess it's semi-autobiotic?
3 He was being a bit too dramastic

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02003-09-15 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> an integrated approach to globalism that values environmental
> standards, collective bargaining rights,

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02003-09-18 | Amy Burns Short <amy.short@MURRAYSTATE.EDU> writes:
> How was it?

Pretty good. Food was not exactly up to par, but not so bad.
Made a couple of friends.

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02003-09-15 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> A few years ago, every overpaid freelance techie in Seattle or Silicon
> Valley was an anti-government, free market capitalist, and by their lights,
> every out-of-work shirtmaker in Alabama was a backwards redneck who hadn't
> changed with the times.  I wonder whether that group of folks has seen the
> light of solidarity.

Wrong, they are writing blogs called smartandpissed.com,
talentedandgrumbling.com etc.

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> But these were done over months, whereas yesterday
> we got three
> in three minutes from a challenger.
>
> 1 OK, put your thinking toes on
> 2 I liked the story, I guess it's semi-autobiotic?
> 3 He was being a bit too dramastic

Bless your heart.  Not even cops aspire to reach this
level of fluency.

You shouldn't have to put up with it.  Chuck the whole
job and move to the sucky South.  A wealth of
vernacular chit-chat awaits you.

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Tom Lee:
= On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 13:09:54 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@TMETIC.COM> wrote:
=
= > NOW: if getting the remainder is the same as adding up digits,
= > what does that say about digit-permuted numbers? That they
= > have the SAME remainder after dividing by 9. Which means:
= > their difference is a multiple of 9. (X number of 9s and
= > 3 over, minus Y number of 9s and 3 over = some number of
= > 9s).
=
=         This is extremely cool.

Why do you think I did stuff like this for an entire semester,
with rigor, in my previous life.

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02003-09-18 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
>
> TUSHAR [ ... ] on PBS

You know how to hurt a guy don't you?

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--- Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
> 02003-09-18 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
> writes:
> >
> > TUSHAR [ ... ] on PBS
>
> You know how to hurt a guy don't you?

I write that stuff in defense, when I'm reduced to
mush by cerebral guys.  You know what it all boils
down to - I'm just gelous.


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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:42:45 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
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>02003-09-18 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
>> That's 'cause I am a MORON!
>
>A certain coworker who excels in "vanilla folder"-isms has
>contributed gems such as:
>
>1 That yacht on the lake is ... CRAVING my soul
>2 Come on, it's just a hop, two skips and away!
>3 That's why I was the first thing that the topic brought up ...
>
>But these were done over months, whereas yesterday we got three
>in three minutes from a challenger.
>
>1 OK, put your thinking toes on
>2 I liked the story, I guess it's semi-autobiotic?
>3 He was being a bit too dramastic

Candida number one has all my sympathetic nerves, but will have to hang up
her umbrella now that a new challenged person has appeared.
May his/her house be bless.

clo

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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:59:30 -0700, Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
wrote:

>--- Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
>> 02003-09-18 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
>> writes:
>> >
>> > TUSHAR [ ... ] on PBS
>>
>> You know how to hurt a guy don't you?
>
>I write that stuff in defense, when I'm reduced to
>mush by cerebral guys.  You know what it all boils
>down to - I'm just gelous.
>

Note to self: add to Lynne's bio -

She has a secret yen to be featured in her own PBS series.
clo

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Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Me too.  I hate dust jackets, at least when I'm reading a book.
>
> What about tags on T-shirts?

The ones on the inside that say things like "100% Cotton" or the ones on
some t-shirts that are like patches on the outside of the sleeve?  I've
never liked taggy things on outsides of clothes.

--
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I'm proud of myself for having scheduled carefully and worked diligently
to get most of my symposium-hosting stuff done so that I can sit and
soak in Survivor tonight without worrying about other things I need to
be doing.

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In a message dated 9/18/2003 1:57:39 PM Central Daylight Time, cwv@GWI.NET
writes:
<<
Smiley's People is now out on VHS and DVD---see:

www.shopPBS.com

This site also has the Tinker, Tailor.. set.


>>

Thanks!  I've put them on my Christmas wish list.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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I'm not sending this on because I don't think you have access to this information, but because I think it's funny the worm is called
"Swen".
  
           - D. M.

_______

"A new worm is beginning to make its way around the Internet, and like the
last big e-mail worm to hit the net (Sobig.F), this one is poised to be
pretty virulent.  This worm is generally known as "Swen" and will appear
to be a Microsoft security Update.  Microsoft does not send out security
patches via e-mail, so if you receive a message from Microsoft about a
new security patch, you should delete it without reading or even opening
it."

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> I'm not sending this on because I don't think you have access to
> this information, but because I think it's funny the worm is called
> "Swen".
>
>            - D. M.
>
> _______
>
> "A new worm is beginning to make its way around the Internet, and like the
> last big e-mail worm to hit the net (Sobig.F), this one is poised to be
> pretty virulent.  This worm is generally known as "Swen" and will appear
> to be a Microsoft security Update.  Microsoft does not send out security
> patches via e-mail, so if you receive a message from Microsoft about a
> new security patch, you should delete it without reading or even opening
> it."

I got a worm message about half an hour ago, then. I looked at its headers
and deleted it unread. Thanks for the information, Doris - I hadn't heard
about it.

I hope this doesn't require another Critical Update from Microsoft. Man, am
I sick of those; having to be the Update Czar at work is a real drag.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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From: Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Swen Worm
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  This worm is generally known as
> "Swen" and will appear
> to be a Microsoft security Update.  Microsoft does
> not send out security
> patches via e-mail, so if you receive a message from
> Microsoft about a
> new security patch, you should delete it without
> reading or even opening
> it."


Actually, I got one of these e-mails at work and one
at home.  NAV indicated they were suspect, so I
deleted them.

But why Swen, for pete's sake?  (Why Pete, for that
matter?)

Doris, I've been wrangling mentally with Bookworm
management, and the words they allow in, and those
they don't.  Does this happen with you?

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> I hope this doesn't require another Critical Update
> from Microsoft. Man, am
> I sick of those; having to be the Update Czar at
> work is a real drag.


Leadership timber will out.

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> Doris, I've been wrangling mentally with Bookworm
> management, and the words they allow in, and those
> they don't.  Does this happen with you?
>

Yes!  I was going to start a list of words I
thought questionable, but then thought it
a waste of my time.  Some are beyond the
pale.  Pale?  Pail?  Beyond my imagination.

            - D. M.

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> Yes!  I was going to start a list of words I
> thought questionable, but then thought it
> a waste of my time.  Some are beyond the
> pale.  Pale?  Pail?  Beyond my imagination.
>
>             - D. M.

Maybe we should each keep a list, and then exchange
them to see if we're both hung up on the same words.
It's a thought, anyway.


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Lynne Weber writes,

>Why Pete, for that matter?

Probably for Saint Peter, who hangs with The Big Dude, but is more utterable.

<http://www.asktherick.com/Live%20Pages/issue7.htm>

Pete

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>> Doris, I've been wrangling mentally with Bookworm
>> management, and the words they allow in, and those
>> they don't.  Does this happen with you?

What is Bookworm management?

Bethany

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I think it's going to be an interesting one.  The Mississippi mortician
is so under the radar that I began to think that I had been mistaken
about her being on it.  It was close to the end before she said
anything, and then it was only a couple of words.  Are we waiting to
talk about it because some people might not have seen it yet?  I have
two things I want to say about it.  Maybe I'll just scroll down and say
them below.


                    S
                    C
                    R
                    O
                    L
                    L
                    I
                    N
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                    S
                    C
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                    N
                    G


(1) I was happy with who got voted off.  She was a bad seed.  (2)  I
wish they hadn't blocked out the views of the naked men.  I think it
would've been fun to watch their sinclairs flopping through the mud.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> >> Doris, I've been wrangling mentally with Bookworm
> >> management, and the words they allow in, and those
> >> they don't.  Does this happen with you?
>
> What is Bookworm management?
>
> Bethany

I would say whoever runs the Bookworm
site and decides which words are acceptable and which are not.  They
seem to be full of
surprises.  For instance, they accept the English luv and guv but do not
accept some
of our standard words, none of which I can
think of at the moment.  I am tired.  Time for
bed.

                      - D. M.

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> What is Bookworm management?
>
> Bethany

A group of erudite fishermen.

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> Probably for Saint Peter, who hangs with The Big
> Dude, but is more utterable.
>
> <http://www.asktherick.com/Live%20Pages/issue7.htm>
>
> Pete

Minced oaths?  Good gracious, what a windfall!

Thank you, Pete, for my sake.


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(1) I was happy with who got voted off. She was a bad
seed. (2) I
wish they hadn't blocked out the views of the naked
men. I think it
would've been fun to watch their sinclairs flopping
through the mud.

Do you mean to say you did not spot Ms. Kay or BrP?




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Lynne Weber wrote:

> Do you mean to say you did not spot Ms. Kay or BrP?

No, they're in the one that's being filmed now.  The one we're watching
was done months ago.  I'm looking forward to seeing Karen and BrP when
the one being made right now is shown.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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02003-09-18 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > Me too.  I hate dust jackets, at least when I'm reading a book.
> >
> > What about tags on T-shirts?
>
> The ones on the inside that say things like "100% Cotton" or the ones on
> some t-shirts that are like patches on the outside of the sleeve?  I've
> never liked taggy things on outsides of clothes.

Well the outside ones are dorky as anything, but remember it all
started with stupid logos on clothes. Only the most innocuous logos
are permissible, sorry. But I was talking about inside. For some damn
reason the most "comfortable" clothes still have ridiculous tags sewn
on with fish wire. These descend from cheap low-class simulations of
tailor insignia, no doubt. That's what makes them doubly stupid in
mass-manufactured shirts. "Kudos" to the tagless T or whatever it's
called, even though it took more than 100 years to get to this point ...

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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

>> What is Bookworm management?
>>
>> Bethany
>
>I would say whoever runs the Bookworm
>site and decides which words are acceptable and which are not.  They
>seem to be full of

So what is Bookworm site?

Bethany

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02003-09-18 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > But these were done over months, whereas yesterday
> > we got three
> > in three minutes from a challenger.
> >
> > 1 OK, put your thinking toes on
> > 2 I liked the story, I guess it's semi-autobiotic?
> > 3 He was being a bit too dramastic
>
> Bless your heart.  Not even cops aspire to reach this
> level of fluency.
>
> You shouldn't have to put up with it.  Chuck the whole
> job and move to the sucky South.  A wealth of
> vernacular chit-chat awaits you.

Why don't you guys move up? A lot of people did and ended
up in Chicago you know ... This is a pretty vernacular-rich
area ...

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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>> What is Bookworm management?
>>
>> Bethany
>
>A group of erudite fishermen.

And it fishes where?

Bethany

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02003-09-18 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:42:45 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> wrote:
> >02003-09-18 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> >> That's 'cause I am a MORON!
> >
> >A certain coworker who excels in "vanilla folder"-isms has
> >contributed gems such as:
> >
> >1 That yacht on the lake is ... CRAVING my soul
> >2 Come on, it's just a hop, two skips and away!
> >3 That's why I was the first thing that the topic brought up ...
> >
> >But these were done over months, whereas yesterday we got three
> >in three minutes from a challenger.
> >
> >1 OK, put your thinking toes on
> >2 I liked the story, I guess it's semi-autobiotic?
> >3 He was being a bit too dramastic
>
> Candida number one has all my sympathetic nerves, but will have to
> hang up her umbrella now that a new challenged person has appeared.
> May his/her house be bless.

So "she" is a woman. Is that what you think?

I'm TIRED of this bogus autobiotic thinking!

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> Why don't you guys move up? A lot of people did and
> ended
> up in Chicago you know ... This is a pretty
> vernacular-rich
> area ...

Yeah, but it's the climate, man...


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02003-09-18 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > Why don't you guys move up? A lot of people did and
> > ended up in Chicago you know ... This is a pretty
> > vernacular-rich area ...
>
> Yeah, but it's the climate, man...

What about it?

Are you reviving the tired old line about it being too cold?
Chicago has fantastic weather most days.

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> And it fishes where?


At Yahoo Games, in very deep water.

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02003-09-18 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> I'm proud of myself for having scheduled carefully and worked diligently
> to get most of my symposium-hosting stuff done so that I can sit and
> soak in Survivor tonight without worrying about other things I need to
> be doing.

Pretty good feeling, huh. Nowadays, that's my criterion for entering
a pub ...

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> What about it?
>
> Are you reviving the tired old line about it being
> too cold?
> Chicago has fantastic weather most days.

Far be it from me to revive anything.  My boss spent a
week in Chicago in '95, but it was winter, so I won't
count that.  I may try Chicago one day.  Have you ever
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02003-09-18 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > What about it?
> >
> > Are you reviving the tired old line about it being
> > too cold?
> > Chicago has fantastic weather most days.
>
> Far be it from me to revive anything.  My boss spent a
> week in Chicago in '95, but it was winter, so I won't
> count that.  I may try Chicago one day.  Have you ever
> been in the "DEEP SOUTH"?

Such as? Would being in say Athens GA count?

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02003-09-18 | Marty Rosen <meeberphobia@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> I'll be nomail for a week or so, while living off the grid near Meldrum Bay
> in a cottage sans hydro, running water, or other conveniences.  I think of
> it as a preview of where we'll all likely be after another Bush term.  By
> all means, strive to say something interesting in my absence;

OK, all I have to say is I have NOT said "slut", "booty" or
"peanut butter" for days.

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> Such as? Would being in say Athens GA count?

Yes, that depth qualifies.  I bet you hated it.  I
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02003-09-18 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > Such as? Would being in say Athens GA count?
>
> Yes, that depth qualifies.  I bet you hated it.  I
> think you are a big city mouse.

Why? I liked it fine, actually. Maybe it's a small town, but it's
also a campus town. Not sure if that's relevant. Anyway, I didn't
mind it. Though almost the only thing I remember now is the Waffle
House.

Maybe I won't like it if I lived there ... That's a possibility.

Or was it Hattiesburg? Damn, I have completely forgotten.

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> Maybe I won't like it if I lived there ... That's a
> possibility.
>
> Or was it Hattiesburg? Damn, I have completely
forgotten.

Hattiesburg is even deeper than Athens.  It's all in
what you're used to, I guess.  I lived in Birmingham
for 3 1/2 years, and loved it.  Now, I would hate it
(I think).  But then, I've changed even more than
B'ham has.

Better go assist Sir Isaac now.  He's going at it
pretty forcefully with Mr. Hooke.  I wouldn't want to
miss it.

Write some more about your grandfather.

Good night.

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Doesn't matter if it's Clark or Dean or ... Dubya's pretty much invincible.
He's raised over $100 million already and is on track to raise another 100
mill by election day. The only figure that matters.

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02003-09-18 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> Better go assist Sir Isaac now.  He's going at it
> pretty forcefully with Mr. Hooke.  I wouldn't want to
> miss it.

"Assist"? What kind of heinous vocabulary is this?

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02003-09-19 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Doesn't matter if it's Clark or Dean or ... Dubya's pretty much invincible.
> He's raised over $100 million already and is on track to raise another 100
> mill by election day. The only figure that matters.

So what were the figures in 2000? They must have been within 1000s of
each other ...

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>"A new worm is beginning to make its way around the Internet, and like the
>last big e-mail worm to hit the net (Sobig.F), this one is poised to be
>pretty virulent.  This worm is generally known as "Swen" and will appear
>to be a Microsoft security Update.  Microsoft does not send out security
>patches via e-mail, so if you receive a message from Microsoft about a
>new security patch, you should delete it without reading or even opening
>it."

This is *so* last March, it's hard to even yawn halfway convincingly.  I
don't know anything about the name of the virus, but the purported
Microsoft Security Updates clogged up my mail spool much more than Sobig.F
ever did.  Marginally compensating for that annoyance was the fact that the
list of infected PCs turned out to be an inventory of the *real* IP
addresses of address-harvesting spam-houses.

Anyone who gets taken in by this virus -- and no, it's not a worm, dammit
(and neither was Sobig.F), it's a virus -- would probably send their life's
savings to Nigeria in return for a "guaranteed" million-dollar return.

Ken Miller
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Pretty complicated, huh ...

http://www.geocities.com/khola_mon/Image31.jpg

First, I guess I don't know any art history, because I
thought ALL pictures were forbidden ... Of course, the
site is basically an anti-Islam site by ex-Muslims.

Second--call me crazy but the sky doesn't look particularly
Judaeo-Christian or Islamic to me... I see the hindu symbol
"AUM" up there.

It's a messed up world ...

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I am sure sights like this on the back streets of Florence or
wherever inspired some overpowering "Vision of Hell" paintings ...

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/photos/photo.asp?PhotoID=27423

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Dudeney's dissection, in the famous "hinged" form!

http://www.profactor.at/~wstoec/dudney.html

Is it possible to buy a four-piece coffee table like this?
Hell no ...

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02003-09-19 | Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> writes:
> Dudeney's dissection, in the famous "hinged" form!
>
> http://www.profactor.at/~wstoec/dudney.html
>
> Is it possible to buy a four-piece coffee table like this?
> Hell no ...

I misspoke. If you get "Jan de Koning" to build it, you can have it:

http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/gnf/book2/Booknews2/jooppic.html

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> It's a messed up world ...

The camel is too little.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> "Kudos" to the tagless T or whatever it's
> called, even though it took more than 100 years to get to this point ...

But tags are useful.  What if you want to check to see the brand of a
shirt you've decided you especially like?  Or what if you forget what
size you are and need to check on a tag?

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Why did people wear such strange things on a long flight?  Like the men
who wore suits?  I found that way weird.
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On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>But tags are useful.  What if you want to check to see the brand of a
>shirt you've decided you especially like?  Or what if you forget what
>size you are and need to check on a tag?

But they sure as heck do not belong at the neckline. They irrirate the
back of my neck so much that I have to remove them or have medical
treatment at the end of the day. They belong in an inside side seam,

Bethany

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The following is directly copied from an mail to me, confirming an order:

Your order for the items listed below has been received, and it has been
entered
into our fulfillment process.



I'm happy for them, I guess.

cwv

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> Second--call me crazy but the sky doesn't look
> particularly
> Judaeo-Christian or Islamic to me... I see the hindu
> symbol
> "AUM" up there.

?You see "AUM"?  I don't see it.  One presumes that
Jesus is on the donkey and Mohammed is on the camel.
Why is Moses walled up like Rapunzel?

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> Dudeney's dissection, in the famous "hinged" form!
>
> http://www.profactor.at/~wstoec/dudney.html
>
> Is it possible to buy a four-piece coffee table like
> this?
> Hell no ...

This form is in very fine condition, considering it
was built in 1903.


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;-)

----- Original Message -----
From: "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@GWI.NET>
>
> I'm happy for them, I guess.
>
> cwv

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> Your order for the items listed below has been
> received, and it has been
> entered
> into our fulfillment process.
>
>
>
> I'm happy for them, I guess.


You are a man of fine feeling, Dr. V.


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In a message dated 9/19/2003 7:43:40 AM Central Daylight Time, cwv@GWI.NET
writes:
<<
The following is directly copied from an mail to me, confirming an order:

Your order for the items listed below has been received, and it has been
entered
into our fulfillment process.

>>

Oh, I've received several messages from AOL users stating that orders
from 1-800flowers.com have been billed to my account.  I just send them
to the TOS people.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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02003-09-19 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > "Kudos" to the tagless T or whatever it's
> > called, even though it took more than 100 years to get to this point ...
>
> But tags are useful.  What if you want to check to see the brand of a
> shirt you've decided you especially like?  Or what if you forget what
> size you are and need to check on a tag?

You mean a way to check the brand, size and material is useful.

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02003-09-19 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > It's a messed up world ...
>
> The camel is too little.

Maybe that's what makes the picture acceptable ...

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02003-09-19 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > Dudeney's dissection, in the famous "hinged" form!
> >
> > http://www.profactor.at/~wstoec/dudney.html
> >
> > Is it possible to buy a four-piece coffee table like this?
> > Hell no ...
>
> This form is in very fine condition, considering it
> was built in 1903.

It wasn't, unless this is some kind of joke ...

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On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> I am sure sights like this on the back streets of Florence or
> wherever inspired some overpowering "Vision of Hell" paintings ...
>
> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/photos/photo.asp?PhotoID=27423

What a find, this picture.  Florence seems right - their complexions are
those of madonna and angels, though.  Cherubs gone wrong, or maybe that's
what happens to dear chubby flying cherubs, they get put in Cherubic
Institutions and get raised together.  These were trained by Sister
Britney.

This would be a good group to do a Brown Sisters deal with - remember the
aging sisters pictures?

Some artist is going to use this - I hope.   On this computer, anyway, the
background color is perfect, kind of peachy yellow.

I love this picture.  It is so scary.

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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:53:11 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
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>02003-09-18 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
>> On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:42:45 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
>> wrote:
>> >02003-09-18 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
>> >> That's 'cause I am a MORON!
>> >
>> >A certain coworker who excels in "vanilla folder"-isms has
>> >contributed gems such as:
>> >
>> >1 That yacht on the lake is ... CRAVING my soul
>> >2 Come on, it's just a hop, two skips and away!
>> >3 That's why I was the first thing that the topic brought up ...
>> >
>> >But these were done over months, whereas yesterday we got three
>> >in three minutes from a challenger.
>> >
>> >1 OK, put your thinking toes on
>> >2 I liked the story, I guess it's semi-autobiotic?
>> >3 He was being a bit too dramastic
>>
>> Candida number one has all my sympathetic nerves, but will have to
>> hang up her umbrella now that a new challenged person has appeared.
>> May his/her house be bless.
>
>So "she" is a woman. Is that what you think?
>
>I'm TIRED of this bogus autobiotic thinking!

Is Ethel still on Eastenders?
clo

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On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 00:57:22 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
wrote:

>I am sure sights like this on the back streets of Florence or
>wherever inspired some overpowering "Vision of Hell" paintings ...
>
>http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/photos/photo.asp?PhotoID=27423

What a mercy they were all bent over. I have a horror of going blind if I
witness too much pink in a single viewing.

clo

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On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 00:13:22 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
wrote:

>Pretty complicated, huh ...
>
>http://www.geocities.com/khola_mon/Image31.jpg
>
>First, I guess I don't know any art history, because I
>thought ALL pictures were forbidden ... Of course, the
>site is basically an anti-Islam site by ex-Muslims.
>
>Second--call me crazy but the sky doesn't look particularly
>Judaeo-Christian or Islamic to me... I see the hindu symbol
>"AUM" up there.
>
>It's a messed up world ...

"Sorry, this site is temporarily unavailable"
I missed my chance.
clo

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> Why did people wear such strange things on a long flight?  Like
> the men
> who wore suits?  I found that way weird.

They thought they were going straight to a photo shoot.

Marie

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In a message dated 9/19/2003 6:53:08 AM, BrandyKitt@AOL.COM writes:

>Oh, I've received several messages from AOL users stating that orders
>from 1-800flowers.com have been billed to my account.  I just send them
>to the TOS people.
>
I keep getting these too, and was told that it's a hacker being responsible
for it. I'm not too worried because I don't see them having my credit card
number, but I'm not happy about it in the least either because AOL has it and what
if it's an inside job?
Theo

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In a message dated 9/19/2003 4:29:58 AM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

> Or what if you forget what
>size you are

You aren't serious about this, are you? Just wondering, Theo

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How we amused ourselves at work today:
http://www.talklikeapirate.com/

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In a message dated 9/19/2003 2:04:16 PM Central Daylight Time,
Dutchessg1@AOL.COM writes:
<<
I keep getting these too, and was told that it's a hacker being responsible
for it. I'm not too worried because I don't see them having my credit card
number, but I'm not happy about it in the least either because AOL has it and
what
if it's an inside job?

>>

I check my billing statement every week, and, if there were any unauthorized
charges on it, I would complain to AOL management.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > The camel is too little.
>
> Maybe that's what makes the picture acceptable ...

Remember that tiny horse Chaucer was riding in the well-known picture of
the Canterbury pilgrims?

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02003-09-19 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > It wasn't, unless this is some kind of joke ...
>
> Please reread the first three sentences of the header caption.

Well, still assuming this isn't a joke ... "Dudeney (1902)" is
a standard way to cite, isn't it? That's when Dudeney published
the construction.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > But tags are useful.  What if you want to check to see the brand of a
> > shirt you've decided you especially like?  Or what if you forget what
> > size you are and need to check on a tag?
>
> You mean a way to check the brand, size and material is useful.

I'm amenable to a different method for doing it.  What would a good
method be?

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Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> > Why did people wear such strange things on a long flight?  Like
> > the men
> > who wore suits?  I found that way weird.
>
> They thought they were going straight to a photo shoot.

I guess that makes sense.  Did Osten wear those falling-off shorts on
the flight, or are those his underwear?  And if they keep falling down,
are we going to have many weeks of the other two taking off their pants
also?

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Theo Groothof wrote:

> > Or what if you forget what
> >size you are
>
> You aren't serious about this, are you? Just wondering, Theo

Yes.  I don't really forget t-shirt sizes since I always get X-L.  But I
often look inside shoes to see what size a particular pair was if I'm
about to order some more of them.  And I might do the same with other
kinds of shirts or other clothes.

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On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Theo Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 9/19/2003 4:29:58 AM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
>
> > Or what if you forget what
> >size you are
>
> You aren't serious about this, are you? Just wondering, Theo

It's easy to forget what size you are with respect to a certain label.  I
have an XL top that's smaller than another, M, one.  I've never seen a
HUGE S but I've seen S's I would call M.  Etc.

I solve this problem by making a quilt of all the labels.  I indicate the
provenance and the date each piece of clothing was bought, plus of course
the description, in tiny spidery but elegant permanent-ink handwriting.

I have done this since I was 13, and now my quilt is big enough to serve
as a fumigation tent for our house.

Ann

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02003-09-19 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Theo Groothof wrote:
> > In a message dated 9/19/2003 4:29:58 AM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
> >
> > > Or what if you forget what
> > >size you are
> >
> > You aren't serious about this, are you? Just wondering, Theo
>
> It's easy to forget what size you are with respect to a certain label.  I
> have an XL top that's smaller than another, M, one.  I've never seen a
> HUGE S but I've seen S's I would call M.  Etc.
>
> I solve this problem by making a quilt of all the labels.  I indicate the
> provenance and the date each piece of clothing was bought, plus of course
> the description, in tiny spidery but elegant permanent-ink handwriting.
>
> I have done this since I was 13, and now my quilt is big enough to serve
> as a fumigation tent for our house.

Get an NEA grant and take a picture of the Florentine "sorority"
swaddled in it.

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> It wasn't, unless this is some kind of joke ...

Please reread the first three sentences of the header caption.

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Well, I suppose you might forget if your spouse purchases your clothes for
> you - as is the case with a male friend of mine who says that new clothes
> "new clothes just appear in the closet", or if you buy new clothes seldom
> and don't change sizes.

I find that my clothes are a zillion different sizes.  When I mentioned
that the only consistent item is t-shirts since I always get XL, I meant
the kind of t-shirts with writing on them.  That's what I always mean
when I say t-shirt.  If I mean something without writing, I usually say
"t-shirt-type shirt."  My t-shirt-type shirts vary in size.  I sometimes
buy medium, sometimes large.  Never small.  I hate small shirts.
Anyway, if I especially like one and decide I want another one just like
it except maybe in a different color, I like to be able to check the
size in the one I like.

> This actually has happened to me in shoe sizes, but of course the numbers
> rub off and I can't look anyway.

This can be a problem with shoes.  The numbers don't seem to rub on in
Birkenstocks, but that doesn't matter since I do know my Birkenstock
size: 37.  I wonder when the ones I ordered from Germany will get here.
I know the order went through since the payment was on my last visa
bill.  I think the estimated shipping time was something like six
weeks.  The Madrids I ordered are for next summer.  Madrid season is
almost over.  But I also ordered some clogs.  They're for winter.

And now I need to go make my ice run.  I guess it's not too early to put
ice in coolers for a party that doesn't start until 8.  (The coolers are
for beer that won't fit into the refrigerator.  Our symposia are byob,
and most people bring beer.)

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On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:55:17 EDT, Theo Groothof <Dutchessg1@AOL.COM> wrote:

>In a message dated 9/19/2003 4:29:58 AM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
>
>> Or what if you forget what
>>size you are
>
>You aren't serious about this, are you? Just wondering, Theo

Well, I suppose you might forget if your spouse purchases your clothes for
you - as is the case with a male friend of mine who says that new clothes
"new clothes just appear in the closet", or if you buy new clothes seldom
and don't change sizes.

This actually has happened to me in shoe sizes, but of course the numbers
rub off and I can't look anyway.

clo

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02003-09-19 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > I am sure sights like this on the back streets of Florence or
> > wherever inspired some overpowering "Vision of Hell" paintings ...
> >
> > http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/photos/photo.asp?PhotoID=27423
>
> What a find, this picture.  Florence seems right - their complexions are
> those of madonna and angels, though.

Puh lease ... these are "sausage skins" ...

> I love this picture.  It is so scary.

Amen

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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You know how it feels when you haven't eaten in quite a while and you're
thirsty so you drink something cold or even room temperature?  And it goes
way to the bottom of your stomach and you can feel it go down and land
there?

That's a funny feeling when you think about it.

Ann

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Don't you think "words-l" is a really stupid name for this service?

Ann

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02003-09-19 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> You know how it feels when you haven't eaten in quite a while and you're
> thirsty so you drink something cold or even room temperature?  And it goes
> way to the bottom of your stomach and you can feel it go down and land
> there?
>
> That's a funny feeling when you think about it.

Thank you for the validation.

I get that when I HAVE eaten. If I haven't eaten and maybe walked
"briskly" for a long time etc, I feel that it goes down to the toes.

It's like psychosomatic ...

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This is what the local group has come up with. I have culled
the lists quite a bit ...

Stupid software names:

  ActiveX
  Ant
  Blogdex
  Bob
  Bogofilter
  Dave
  Debian
  Ecmascript
  Globus
  Jython
  Knoppix
  LaTeX
  Perlaspx
  Phposxom
  Plone
  Pyzor
  Spampal
  Struts
  Twiki
  Zope

Stupid drug names:

  Afrin
  Claritin
  Fosamax
  Halcion
  Hismanal
  Levitra
  Lipitor
  Nimotop
  Percodan
  Placidyl
  Preludin
  Symmetrel
  Toprol

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On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> This is what the local group has come up with. I have culled
> the lists quite a bit ...
>
> Stupid software names:
>
>  [snip]

>   Pyzor
>   Spampal
>   Struts
>   Twiki
>   Zope
>
> Stupid drug names:
>
 {snip]

>   Placidyl
>   Preludin
>   Symmetrel
>   Toprol

Maybe the last one is spelled "Torporl" ?

Anyway, I like to laugh at stupid names and TWIKI is a keeper.

Here's a list (unculled by me) of stupid band names.  I mean, all band
names are stupid, but this guy found some REALLY stupid ones.

http://www.evibenstein.co.uk/carpark/level1/bands.html

Ann

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Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> You know how it feels when you haven't eaten in quite a while and you're
> thirsty so you drink something cold or even room temperature?  And it goes
> way to the bottom of your stomach and you can feel it go down and land
> there?

No.  Am I mutant for not knowing that feeling?  I don't remember feeling
liquids deeper than my esophagus area.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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02003-09-19 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> Don't you think "words-l" is a really stupid name for this service?

l-yeah!

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Here's a seed list:

Applause
Charade
Delta Wide Wagon
Legacy
Vivio
Hino
Rising Ranger
Orthia
Elf
Mu
Grand-air
MeLady
Cosmo
Scrum
Sentia
Aero Queen
Debonair
Big Thumb
Cedric
Homy
Prairie Joy
Camry
Starlet
'

Ann

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> I love this picture.  It is so scary.

Yup.

What struck me is that except for the redhead with the wavy hair, they all
have the same hair. Spooky.

--Adam
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> Starlet

My mom had a 1982 Toyota Starlet. Smoothest-shifting manual transmission,
most forgiving clutch EVER. It was a pathetic little car otherwise.

--Adam
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There was a dead frog in the volleyball court, and, naturally, Daisy
found it and tried to eat it.

Evelyn Duncan
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I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
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On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

>Don't you think "words-l" is a really stupid name for this service?

Why? We seem to post more words than anything else. So far.

Bethany

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> That's a funny feeling when you think about it.


Yes, it is.  Are you preparing the stage for the next act?

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--- Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> wrote:
> Don't you think "words-l" is a really stupid name
> for this service?


Suggestions?


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--- Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> wrote:
> There was a dead frog in the volleyball court, and,
> naturally, Daisy
> found it and tried to eat it.


There is an on-going debate on the effects of frogs,
dead or alive, on dogs.  To be on the safe side,
please don't let her swallow one like a raw oyster.

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In a message dated 9/19/2003 8:39:03 PM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
There is an on-going debate on the effects of frogs,
dead or alive, on dogs.  To be on the safe side,
please don't let her swallow one like a raw oyster.

>>

I rushed her inside, and Mom and I got it away from her.
She's an amazing dog.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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> Suggestions?
>
> >>
>
> Phred


Yes, I like that.

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--- Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
> Pretty complicated, huh ...
>
> http://www.geocities.com/khola_mon/Image31.jpg
>
> First, I guess I don't know any art history, because
> I
> thought ALL pictures were forbidden ... Of course,
> the
> site is basically an anti-Islam site by ex-Muslims.
>
> Second--call me crazy but the sky doesn't look
> particularly
> Judaeo-Christian or Islamic to me... I see the hindu
> symbol
> "AUM" up there.
>
> It's a messed up world ...

I thought so.  This has been bothering me.  It's not a
horse at all, it's a donkey - it should be smaller
than a horse.  The camel is not quite large enough.

T.S., what is the provenance of this painting, please?


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In a message dated 9/19/2003 8:35:33 PM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
--- Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> wrote:
>Don't you think "words-l" is a really stupid name
>for this service?


Suggestions?

>>

Phred

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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> I rushed her inside, and Mom and I got it away from
> her.
> She's an amazing dog.


She should be okay.  And she should not have
chocolate, or anything with caffeine in it.  Toxic to
canines.  However, Jaysie is keeping up her end as
regards the ingestion of grasshoppers.

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In a message dated 9/19/2003 8:48:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
She should be okay.  And she should not have
chocolate, or anything with caffeine in it.  Toxic to
canines.
>>

I know:  and onions and garlic, too, are bad.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

> > That's a funny feeling when you think about it.
>
>
> Yes, it is.  Are you preparing the stage for the next act?

This is an interesting remark but I don't get the logic of it.  How it is
a sequitor.

Ann

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On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

> See?  For me, "taken in" is part of the paranoia.

Jeez neither we nor you are THAT important - - LOSE IT!

Ann

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Very well, but suppose I don't know what the subject
matter of the painting is?  Where would I have started
without your or T.S.' help?  I am very interested in
this.



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> OH, SURE, discuss, and fall into your SEX-OBSESSED
> TRAP!
>
> NO WAY!
>
> LUSER!

Thank you, Mme. Borinki, for expressing my sentiments.
 I no longer feel ALONE.

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> I know:  and onions and garlic, too, are bad.


I bet you already know more about dogs than you ever
thought you would.  How's Sweetie holding up?


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In a message dated 9/19/2003 9:00:06 PM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
I bet you already know more about dogs than you ever
thought you would.  How's Sweetie holding up?

>>
She's watching Rambo movies.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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AnnB:

>I love this picture.  It is so scary.

I read the thread before seeing the picture and was expecting, I don't
know, something quite different.

I feel so taken in.

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02003-09-19 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> --- Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
> > Pretty complicated, huh ...
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/khola_mon/Image31.jpg
> >
> > First, I guess I don't know any art history, because I
> > thought ALL pictures were forbidden ... Of course, the
> > site is basically an anti-Islam site by ex-Muslims.
> >
> > Second--call me crazy but the sky doesn't look particularly
> > Judaeo-Christian or Islamic to me... I see the hindu symbol
> > "AUM" up there.
> >
> > It's a messed up world ...
>
> I thought so.  This has been bothering me.  It's not a
> horse at all, it's a donkey - it should be smaller
> than a horse.  The camel is not quite large enough.
>
> T.S., what is the provenance of this painting, please?

"A middle eastern artist" is all I could get from the site.
I don't see why the relative proportions of a camel and a
donkey are that important. The event happened--or "happened",
whatever. Its details don't have to be precisely the same
as the everyday world's.

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> This is an interesting remark but I don't get the
> logic of it.  How it is
> a sequitor.


It is probably just symptomatic of my short but lively
experience with Wordslers - I'm paranoid.  There is a
set up around each rickety corner.

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> I read the thread before seeing the picture and was
> expecting, I don't
> know, something quite different.
>
> I feel so taken in.


See?  For me, "taken in" is part of the paranoia.

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02003-09-19 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> It is probably just symptomatic of my short but lively
> experience with Wordslers - I'm paranoid.  There is a
> set up around each rickety corner.

Well, there isn't.

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In a message dated 9/19/2003 9:00:06 PM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
How's Sweetie holding up?

>>

Seriously, she's not getting along with Daisy at all.
Daisy's being the typical puppy:  all enthusiasm and
trying to eat Sweetie's food as well as her own.
And Sweetie is not amused.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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> > T.S., what is the provenance of this painting,
> please?
>
> "A middle eastern artist" is all I could get from
> the site.
> I don't see why the relative proportions of a camel
> and a
> donkey are that important. The event happened--or
> "happened",
> whatever. Its details don't have to be precisely the
> same
> as the everyday world's.

It's kind of like writing, though.  You want the
editor to leave in all the fine words exactly as you
placed them, for you did so for a specific reason. An
artist must feel the same.  I would like him/her to
know that I notice.

There's no doubt in my mind that it happened.

It's a beautiful painting, to my eyes.


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02003-09-19 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> Here's a seed list:
>
> Applause
> Charade
> Delta Wide Wagon
> Legacy
> Vivio
> Hino
> Rising Ranger
> Orthia
> Elf
> Mu
> Grand-air
> MeLady
> Cosmo
> Scrum
> Sentia
> Aero Queen
> Debonair
> Big Thumb
> Cedric
> Homy
> Prairie Joy
> Camry
> Starlet
> '
>
> Ann

There's a car called Scrum?

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Lynne Weber writes,

>T.S., what is the provenance of this painting, please?

This one is a good exercise for your Internet research skills, if you want
to practice. :)  If not:

The page that contains it is
<http://www.geocities.com/khola_mon/Images.html>, but it doesn't say where
it came from.

Another image of the painting is linked to from
<http://www.unf.edu/classes/saints/saintsinart.htm>, where it's attributed
to Rashid-al-din.

This page says, "Most modern Muslims reject images of the Prophet, and one
often comes upon statements that islam does not allow figurative art at
all.  There is, in fact, no condemnation of figurative art in the Qu'ran,
although there is condemnation of idolatry. At various times and places,
Muslims have portrayed the Prophet, along with other (earlier) prophets,
saints, walis, pirs, and imams."  It also links to some other images of
Muhammad.

Rashid-al-din did a History of the World in 1307 AD
<http://www.lib.ed.ac.uk/about/bgallery/Gallery/researchcoll/islamicart.html>,
but I don't know if the painting came from that manuscript.

Pete

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On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> There's a car called Scrum?

There must be, I took it off some Japanese car list on the internet.

Ann

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> > But tags are useful.  What if you want to check to see the brand of
a
> > shirt you've decided you especially like?  Or what if you forget
what
> > size you are and need to check on a tag?
>
> You mean a way to check the brand, size and material is useful.

Wait til you get an RFID (tag, chip or whatever) in or on everything you
own.

                      - D. M.

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02003-09-19 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> > You mean a way to check the brand, size and material is useful.
>
> Wait til you get an RFID (tag, chip or whatever) in or on everything you
> own.

True ... then you can just swipe your remote control over your
shirt and go to your automated pesonal blog to see the info it
posted. I am very much looking forward to it ...

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02003-09-19 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> > See?  For me, "taken in" is part of the paranoia.
>
> Jeez neither we nor you are THAT important - - LOSE IT!

Hm, I wonder if this is a trap?

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02003-09-19 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > There's a car called Scrum?
>
> There must be, I took it off some Japanese car list on the internet.

I think there is an implicit (ot) in the middle of the name.

Discuss

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On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> > There must be, I took it off some Japanese car list on the internet.
> I think there is an implicit (ot) in the middle of the name.
> Discuss

OH, SURE, discuss, and fall into your SEX-OBSESSED TRAP!

NO WAY!

LUSER!

Ann

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Subject: Re:      Re: Q for T.S.
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> >
> > Wait til you get an RFID (tag, chip or whatever) in or on everything
you
> > own.
>
> True ... then you can just swipe your remote control over your
> shirt and go to your automated pesonal blog to see the info it
> posted. I am very much looking forward to it ...

But wait.  We have to take time out to protest our
privacy rights being violated.  Someone might
swipe me!!  Ohmigod.  (I wonder if it feels good
to be swiped)

                         - D. M.

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> But wait.  We have to take time out to protest our
> privacy rights being violated.  Someone might
> swipe me!!  Ohmigod.  (I wonder if it feels good
> to be swiped)


Evelyn and her mom had their purses swiped.  Does that
count as a proper swiping?

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-09-19 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
= > On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
= >
= > > There's a car called Scrum?
= >
= > There must be, I took it off some Japanese car list on the internet.
=
= I think there is an implicit (ot) in the middle of the name.
=
= Discuss

I was up for a freakin' 4:30 conference call and I think it
invokes rugby and little cars that are good in traffic circles.

My new term for the weekend is "three line whip", and my boss'
boss sent a mail with this term in it for how we are all to
behave this weekend and it was address to three other guys and me
and the salutation is "Guys, and Steph".

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> Perhaps for my personal once-over
> I should use the term "scanned."
> Swiped does sound like stealing,
> and since I have no fear of someone
> stealing me or my personal information
> I shall not think in terms of swiping.
> Don't fear scanning either, however.
> Perhaps that would be like copping an
> intellectual feel, eh?  (And they'd find
> little they would be interested in)


Ditto.  Got to go to bed, brain fever from Bookworm.
'Night.


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Lynne Weber writes,

>Very well, but suppose I don't know what the subject matter of the
>painting is?  Where would I have started without your or T.S.' help?

You would have had to find a mailing list about the English language, and
ask there.  And then watch for set ups around every corner, of course...

Pete

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> > But wait.  We have to take time out to protest our
> > privacy rights being violated.  Someone might
> > swipe me!!  Ohmigod.  (I wonder if it feels good
> > to be swiped)
>
>
> Evelyn and her mom had their purses swiped.  Does that
> count as a proper swiping?
>

Perhaps for my personal once-over
I should use the term "scanned."
Swiped does sound like stealing,
and since I have no fear of someone
stealing me or my personal information
I shall not think in terms of swiping.
Don't fear scanning either, however.
Perhaps that would be like copping an
intellectual feel, eh?  (And they'd find
little they would be interested in)

            - D. M.



              - D. M.

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>
> Ditto.  Got to go to bed, brain fever from Bookworm.
> 'Night.

That will do it.

     - D. M.

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In a message dated 9/18/2003 10:29:23 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

>"Assist"? What kind of heinous vocabulary is this?

I've had a rough day, this sure helps! :-)
Theo

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In a message dated 9/19/2003 1:45:08 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

>But I
>often look inside shoes to see what size a particular pair was if I'm
>about to order some more of them.

I haven't changed sizes in years for shoes or clothing so I can't say it's
helpful. I do have very sensitive skin so the tags hurt me, therefor I get rid
of them asap.
Theo

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> There is an on-going debate on the effects of frogs,
> dead or alive, on dogs.  To be on the safe side,
> please don't let her swallow one like a raw oyster.

And watch for warts.  If a wart appears, you have to wait until thunder
for it to go away.  No, wait -- that's if you get grabbed by a snapping
turtle.  Thunder doesn't help warts.

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02003-09-19 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> > >
> > > Wait til you get an RFID (tag, chip or whatever) in or on everything
> you
> > > own.
> >
> > True ... then you can just swipe your remote control over your
> > shirt and go to your automated pesonal blog to see the info it
> > posted. I am very much looking forward to it ...
>
> But wait.  We have to take time out to protest our
> privacy rights being violated.  Someone might
> swipe me!!  Ohmigod.  (I wonder if it feels good
> to be swiped)

Why, do you have something to hide? Only a wacko minority
of the impure-hearted ever brings up the science fiction
of "privacy violations".

Let those girls fret about it for a while and it will be
all right ...

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02003-09-19 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > > There must be, I took it off some Japanese car list on the internet.
> > I think there is an implicit (ot) in the middle of the name.
> > Discuss
>
> OH, SURE, discuss, and fall into your SEX-OBSESSED TRAP!
>
> NO WAY!
>
> LUSER!
>
> Ann

What's a sex-obsessed trap?

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> In a message dated 9/19/2003 8:48:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
> lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
> <<
> She should be okay.  And she should not have
> chocolate, or anything with caffeine in it.  Toxic to
> canines.
> >>
>
> I know:  and onions and garlic, too, are bad.

I thought garlic was good for dogs.  Re chocolate, you don't need to
worry if Daisy happens to find a small amount of chocolate and consume
it.  At least U.S. chocolate.  It's pure chocolate that is a threat, and
not much chocolate stuff in this country (and probably in most
countries) is pure.  And how much might be deadly depends on the size of
the dog.  Feeding pure chocolate to a chihuahua could be indeed bad.  A
lab eating a Milky Way would probably be fine.

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> 02003-09-19 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > > There's a car called Scrum?
> >
> > There must be, I took it off some Japanese car list on the internet.
>
> I think there is an implicit (ot) in the middle of the name.
>
> Discuss

It has been neutered.

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Theo Groothof wrote:

> I haven't changed sizes in years for shoes or clothing so I can't say it's

It's not a matter of the person changing sizes.  It's that sizes aren't
consistent among various brands.

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02003-09-20 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-09-19 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > > On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >
> > > > There's a car called Scrum?
> > >
> > > There must be, I took it off some Japanese car list on the internet.
> >
> > I think there is an implicit (ot) in the middle of the name.
> >
> > Discuss
>
> It has been neutered.

If you think I'll fall for this elaborate sex-obsessed setup,
you are sadly mistaken.

bye

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In a message dated 9/19/2003 3:13:07 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

>Our symposia are byob,
>and most people bring beer.)

I guess I'm not living a "normal" life anymore since my accident. Haven't
been to a party in can't remember when, but I never liked beer, so that's no
loss. I DO miss the people contact, but I wouldn't know how to solve that problem.
Today my dau told me that I'd be better of in a *home*, but I don't agree. I
had to ask her to pick up some medication from the pharmacy, but that only
happens once in a while, so I don't think I'm too demanding. It's not easy to
find help that can be relied on a permanent basis, but I'm not willing to return
to this nursing type of care, because you are not allowed to live the way you
want, and spending all your days in bed in exchange for 3 meals a day with
your only form of entertainment the TV, no thanks.
Why can't she understand that I'm not willing to return to this kind of
"living"? She has seen me experience it, and heard me complain, yet she's sug
gesting it again. Why?
Theo

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In a message dated 9/19/2003 5:38:08 PM, aborkin@RAHUL.NET writes:

>Don't you think "words-l" is a really stupid name for this service?
>
ROFL (love it) Can you think of a better name?
Theo

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In a message dated 9/19/2003 6:39:57 PM, BrandyKitt@AOL.COM writes:

>There was a dead frog in the volleyball court, and, naturally, Daisy
>found it and tried to eat it.
>
Don't you feed the poor animal? Shame on you! ;-)
Theo

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> In a message dated 9/18/2003 10:29:23 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
>
> >"Assist"? What kind of heinous vocabulary is this?
>
> I've had a rough day, this sure helps! :-)
> Theo
>

Sorry you've had a rough day, Theo.
Hope you sleep well tonight.  Tomorrow
is another day.

                - D. M.

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In a message dated 9/20/2003 1:19:27 AM Central Daylight Time,
Dutchessg1@AOL.COM writes:
<<
Don't you feed the poor animal? Shame on you! ;-)

>>

She eats her food and Sweetie's; she tries to eat mine.
You ever watch the Patty Duke Show?  Patty's boyfriend,
Richard Harrison, was always eating.  He reminds me of
Daisy.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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In a message dated 9/19/2003 11:18:24 PM, dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:

>Sorry you've had a rough day, Theo.
>
>Hope you sleep well tonight.  Tomorrow
>
>is another day.
>
>
Thanks. I'm a "tuff" one. No need to feel sorry for me, although I appreciate
you concern.
Theo

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In a message dated 9/19/2003 11:34:13 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

> A
>lab eating a Milky Way would probably be fine.
>
I've never seen any bad consequences from feeding chocolate to a dog. I'd
never even *heard of it being bad* before I came to this country. When I was
growing up we had a dog, and my mom loved chocolate, and the dog we had always got
some, and never seemed to get sick from it.
Theo

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In a message dated 9/19/2003 11:40:24 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

>It's not a matter of the person changing sizes.  It's that sizes aren't
>consistent among various brands.
>
Hmmmm, can't say I've had experience with that either. Could it be that I'm
in a rut?
Theo

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In a message dated 9/19/2003 8:29:49 PM, lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:

>It's a beautiful painting, to my eyes.
>
I'm not sure I understand it's meaning; if there is any.
Theo

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In a message dated 9/20/2003 12:44:47 AM, BrandyKitt@AOL.COM writes:

>You ever watch the Patty Duke Show?  Patty's boyfriend,
>Richard Harrison, was always eating.  He reminds me of
>Daisy.
>
No, can't say I ever did, but I didn't need to watch a TV show to know about
it because my ex was a "chowhound". He could easily beat the lab we had afa
eating habits go.
Theo

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1. Turns of Phrase: Bookcrossing
-------------------------------------------------------------------
...  idea is to leave a book in a public place with a note of how to log
on to the www.bookcrossing.com site to record where and when you found it
and what you thought of it. After you've read it, you then "release" the
book for a new reader - perhaps by giving it to a friend, leaving it on a park
bench, a coffee shop or some other public place, or by donating it to
charity. The Bookcrossing site describes itself as a cross between a book
club, a reading group and an attempt to turn the whole world into a
library. The idea was taken up in the UK in August by Urbis, the centre
for the urban experience, based in Manchester. They released several
hundred books into the city. Within three weeks, one of their books had
been reported from Tangiers and another from Bangkok.

Unlike music or movie file swapping bookcrossing is unlikely to face the
wrath of the publishing industry. I don't think that passing books on to
friends is illegal (at least I hope not) and this site is only likely to
encourage people to read more not less.
                                   [Birmingham Post, 11 March 2003]

Bookcrossing strikes at one of the industry's darkest fears: that there
are already enough books in the world. Some authors have voiced anxieties
about the phenomenon.
                                           [Guardian, 30 Aug. 2003]

---
Bethany

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> 1. Turns of Phrase: Bookcrossing
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> ...  idea is to leave a book in a public place with a note of how to
log
> on to the www.bookcrossing.com site to record where and when you found
it
> and what you thought of it. After you've read it, you then "release"
the
> book for a new reader - perhaps by giving it to a friend, leaving it
on a park
> bench, a coffee shop or some other public place, or by donating it to
> charity. The Bookcrossing site describes itself as a cross between a
book
> club, a reading group and an attempt to turn the whole world into a
> library.

> Bethany

I love the concept.  Could lead to lots
of serendipity.

                       - D. M.

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Theo Groothof wrote:
> >Our symposia are byob,
> >and most people bring beer.)
>
> I guess I'm not living a "normal" life anymore since my accident. Haven't
> been to a party in can't remember when, but I never liked beer, so that's no
> loss.

I don't drink beer very often (drank wine last night at the symposium),
but I like beer in certain situations, usually associated with outdoors
-- outdoor summer parties or sitting out on a rickety deck of a
hole-in-the-wall style beach restaurant watching the surf lapping in and
watching people eating raw oysters, etc.  Sometimes beer is the <perfect
choice>.  I do remember having to cultivate a taste for it.  I hated it
at first.  I cultivated that taste the summer I was teaching skiing on
Lake George (NY) when groups of us would take the boat across the lake
at night to Hague and order pitchers of beer.

I've found it interesting to watch the changes through the years in what
most people bring to byob events, like our departmental symposia.  I
remember in my early adulthood (before the symposia), back when byob
parties were quite common (which they probably still are among that age
group -- young people without enough money to host parties that involve
buying alcohol), most people brought hard liquor to parties.  The host
would provide set-ups.  Then wine became the most common beverage at
such events.  Now, at least in our department, beer seems to be the most
common, although some people still bring wine.

> to this nursing type of care, because you are not allowed to live the way you
> want, and spending all your days in bed in exchange for 3 meals a day with
> your only form of entertainment the TV, no thanks.

I'm certainly not saying that I don't understand your not wanting to
move to a nursing home.  You're right that in a full-fledged nursing
home (as opposed to an "independent living" facility), you are not
allowed to live the way you want.  But I don't get the "spending all
your days in bed" part or the idea of TV as your only entertainment.
Unless you're bedridden for some reason, you would certainly not stay in
bed all day.  In fact, going back to the part about not being allowed to
live the way you want to, the nursing home personnel would *make* you
get out of bed.  And there is more entertainment available in nursing
homes than in most people's own homes: games (organized large games or
the availablity of plenty of partners for your own small card games or
whatever), programs, entertainers, libraries of books and magazines,
people to socialize with, etc.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> She eats her food and Sweetie's; she tries to eat mine.

Spencer was so neat (as in tidy) before the symposium last night when he
stole a bit of food from the table while I was in another room.  Instead
of making a big mess, he neatly took individual ham & cheese pinwheels,
neatly bit a corner off of the chunk of whatever it was a friend had
brought by yesterday afternoon that was left over from some event she
had hosted in Columbus the night before -- some kind of cheese/pesto
torte thing, neatly swiped off the side of the chunk of pate, etc.  No
mess at all, and there was plenty of food left for the guests when they
arrived.

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Theo Groothof wrote:

> I've never seen any bad consequences from feeding chocolate to a dog. I'd
> never even *heard of it being bad* before I came to this country. When I was
> growing up we had a dog, and my mom loved chocolate, and the dog we had always got
> some, and never seemed to get sick from it.

I don't think the dog-chocolate thing has been known for all that many
years.  I know I hadn't heard of it in childhood (or even young
adulthood).  Although I don't remember ever handing a dog chocolate for
a snack, I am sure that I've had dogs who have consumed chocolate that
they've managed to find, like Spencer and the food last night (which did
include some brownies, although he did not partake of them since they
were on a higher surface than the other things he sampled).  But, as I
said earlier, according to vets I've asked about it, it would take a
huge amount of your typical chocolate to affect a medium-sized dog.
Most chocolate items that we consume are not pure chocolate.

I did always hear in the old days the thing about dogs and poinsettias.
I didn't find out that that was a myth until maybe ten or fifteeen years
ago.  They are not poisonous.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I love the concept.  Could lead to lots
> of serendipity.

Didn't we discuss this a year or so ago?

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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 00:33:12 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:

>02003-09-19 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
>> On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>> > > There must be, I took it off some Japanese car list on the internet.
>> > I think there is an implicit (ot) in the middle of the name.
>> > Discuss
>>
>> OH, SURE, discuss, and fall into your SEX-OBSESSED TRAP!
>>
>> NO WAY!
>>
>> LUSER!
>>
>> Ann
>
>What's a sex-obsessed trap?

It's a small, sentient, horse-drawn vehicle with "issues" from having to
stare at the horse's rear end for hours at a time.

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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 08:40:27 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas
<dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> wrote:

>1. Turns of Phrase: Bookcrossing
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>...  idea is to leave a book in a public place with a note of how to log
>on to the www.bookcrossing.com site to record where and when you found it
>and what you thought of it. After you've read it, you then "release" the
>book for a new reader - perhaps by giving it to a friend, leaving it on a park
>bench, a coffee shop or some other public place, or by donating it to
>charity. The Bookcrossing site describes itself as a cross between a book
>club, a reading group and an attempt to turn the whole world into a
>library. The idea was taken up in the UK in August by Urbis, the centre
>for the urban experience, based in Manchester. They released several
>hundred books into the city. Within three weeks, one of their books had
>been reported from Tangiers and another from Bangkok.
>
>Unlike music or movie file swapping bookcrossing is unlikely to face the
>wrath of the publishing industry. I don't think that passing books on to
>friends is illegal (at least I hope not) and this site is only likely to
>encourage people to read more not less.
>                                   [Birmingham Post, 11 March 2003]
>
>Bookcrossing strikes at one of the industry's darkest fears: that there
>are already enough books in the world. Some authors have voiced anxieties
>about the phenomenon.
>                                           [Guardian, 30 Aug. 2003]
>
>---
>Bethany

Sheesh, I have been doing this for years, just undocumented. I get probably
1/30 of my "loaned" books returned.

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> > Ditto.  Got to go to bed, brain fever from Bookworm.
> > 'Night.
>
>That will do it.
>      - D. M.

Why can't  you "just say no" ?  Perhaps, Doris, you should start a group of
BookwormEnders.


bonnie

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Sheesh, I have been doing this for years, just undocumented. I get probably
> 1/30 of my "loaned" books returned.

I think we discussed this earlier also -- back when the Bookcrossing
thing first was being publicized -- the this we discussed being the fact
that most of us have been doing it forever.  What makes the Bookcrossing
different, of course, is the interesting tracking of the books (how
successful has that been? I didn't read the whole thing Bethany posted
-- just read enough to know what it was) and the online reviews.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>Sorry you've had a rough day, Theo.
>Hope you sleep well tonight.  Tomorrow
>is another day.                 - D. M.

I never understand this.  Is that last sentence supposed to be a
comfort?  Sounds more like doom to me.

One of my favorite cartoons, displayed on the 'frig, is a Dilbert cartoon
containing this dialog:

"Is there more to life than working?"
"Yes, there's also the complaining about work, the nightly periods of
unconsciousness and sweet, sweet death."
"Maybe I should have kids."
"To share the joy?"


bonnie

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>
> Why can't  you "just say no" ?  Perhaps, Doris, you should start a
group of
> BookwormEnders.
>
>
> bonnie

LOL

  - D. M.

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> >Sorry you've had a rough day, Theo.
> >Hope you sleep well tonight.  Tomorrow
> >is another day.                 - D. M.
>
> I never understand this.  Is that last sentence supposed to be a
> comfort?  Sounds more like doom to me.
> "To share the joy?"
>
>
> bonnie

Sounds like doom at the end of a bad day,
but don't you find that by morning you see
things with fresh eyes and hope returns?

                            - D. M.

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>Sounds like doom at the end of a bad day,
>but don't you find that by morning you see
>things with fresh eyes and hope returns?
>                             - D. M.

Yes, for a while in the morning things seem better.  But which is the true
view??  Am I not deluded for some hours each morning before reality once
more sets in?  Perhaps for a moment each morning I forget that once again
the rock must be pushed up the hill.


bonnie

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> >Sounds like doom at the end of a bad day,
> >but don't you find that by morning you see
> >things with fresh eyes and hope returns?
> >                             - D. M.
>
> Yes, for a while in the morning things seem better.  But which is the
true
> view??  Am I not deluded for some hours each morning before reality
once
> more sets in?  Perhaps for a moment each morning I forget that once
again
> the rock must be pushed up the hill.
>
>
> bonnie

I think the real frustration here is if you
don't understand why you are pushing
the rock up the hill.

            - D. M.

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>I think the real frustration here is if you
>don't understand why you are pushing
>the rock up the hill.          - D. M.

Which I would interpret as saying:  you can be made to feel better if you
work up some justification for the rock pushing.


bonnie

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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, bonniev wrote:
>
> Yes, for a while in the morning things seem better.  But which is the true
> view??  Am I not deluded for some hours each morning before reality once
> more sets in?  Perhaps for a moment each morning I forget that once again
> the rock must be pushed up the hill.

Jeez, Bonnie, is living as Bonnie that bad?  (You don't have to answer
that, it's a TRAP)

Anyway, this rock-up-a-hill metaphor, it's interesting.  When I don't look
forward to a day of work, it feels more like I'm on a hot griddle and I
want to get off and rest instead of run all day.  But maybe you're
describing depression.  What do I know, none of my business, I'm just a
compulsive poster to a stupidly-named list.

Ann

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> >I think the real frustration here is if you
> >don't understand why you are pushing
> >the rock up the hill.          - D. M.
>
> Which I would interpret as saying:  you can be made to feel better if
you
> work up some justification for the rock pushing.
>
>
> bonnie

Spoken again as if someone other than
you is in control of your life.  Made to
feel?

                       - D. M.

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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

>I think the real frustration here is if you >don't understand why you are
pushing >the rock up the hill.

Ah, you understand the situation beautifully.

My favorite "Lesser Saint" is Samuel Isaac Joseph Schereschewsky, Bishop
of Shanghai:

"In 1877 he was elected Bishop of Shanghai, where he founded St John's
University, and began his translation of the Bible into Wenli (another
Chinese dialect). He developed Parkinson's disease, was largely paralyzed,
resigned his position as Bishop of Shanghai, and spent the rest of his
life completing his Wenli Bible, the last 2000 pages of which he typed
with the one finger that he could still move.

Four years before his death in 1906, he said: "I have sat in this chair
for over twenty years. It seemed very hard at first. But God knew best. He
kept me for the work for which I am best fitted." "

Read more at:

http://www.stsams.org/photo/SIJSbio.html

Bethany

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>Jeez, Bonnie, is living as Bonnie that bad?  (You don't have to answer
>that, it's a TRAP)             --Ann

It's not a matter of <my> life and it's not a matter of an emotion like
depression.  It's more a world-view that I've had all of my life.  I think
life is rather meaningless.  My life is no more meaningless or meaningful
than anyone else's and is, in fact, more comfortable than many.  I don't
walk around down-in-the-dumps.  Rather I walk around mildly annoyed and
puzzled about the whole thing.


bonnie

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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, bonniev wrote:

> It's not a matter of <my> life and it's not a matter of an emotion like
> depression.  It's more a world-view that I've had all of my life.  I think
> life is rather meaningless.  My life is no more meaningless or meaningful
> than anyone else's and is, in fact, more comfortable than many.  I don't
> walk around down-in-the-dumps.  Rather I walk around mildly annoyed and
> puzzled about the whole thing.

Well then it's not really like pushing a huge rock up a steep hill, then,
sounds like - more like ping-pong or penny slots or:  you name it, what
it's more like.  Polishing door knobs?  Pin ball?

Ann

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>
> It's not a matter of <my> life and it's not a matter of an emotion
like
> depression.  It's more a world-view that I've had all of my life.  I
think
> life is rather meaningless.  My life is no more meaningless or
meaningful
> than anyone else's and is, in fact, more comfortable than many.  I
don't
> walk around down-in-the-dumps.  Rather I walk around mildly annoyed
and
> puzzled about the whole thing.
>
>
> bonnie

Sounds like progress to me.  You have
apparently found the question.  A lot of
people aren't puzzled at all, just riding
along.

                        - D. M.

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02003-09-20 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> Anyway, this rock-up-a-hill metaphor, it's interesting.

No, it's incredibly boring.

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>Well then it's not really like pushing a huge rock up a steep hill, then,
>sounds like - more like ping-pong or penny slots or:  you name it, what
>it's more like.  Polishing door knobs?  Pin ball?
>Ann

It's not the effort that matters.  It's the "why" that matters.


bonnie

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>Sounds like progress to me.  You have
>apparently found the question.  A lot of
>people aren't puzzled at all, just riding
>along.                        - D. M.

Although this is true. I think perhaps there really is happiness in
ignorance.  The herd follows along.  The border collie sits down and
wanders what the whole point of it is.  Who is happier?


bonnie

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> >Sounds like progress to me.  You have
> >apparently found the question.  A lot of
> >people aren't puzzled at all, just riding
> >along.                        - D. M.
>
> Although this is true. I think perhaps there really is happiness in
> ignorance.  The herd follows along.  The border collie sits down and
> wanders what the whole point of it is.  Who is happier?
>
>
> bonnie

I can only speculate that the study of
philosophy is an intellectual exercise
that leads into quagmire and paralysis.

                    - D. M.

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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, bonniev wrote:

> It's not the effort that matters.  It's the "why" that matters.

Oh!  I get it.  It's not that you're sweaty and grunting and desperate,
it's just that you don't have a point AND YOU WANT ONE.

Ann

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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> > Anyway, this rock-up-a-hill metaphor, it's interesting.
>
> No, it's incredibly boring.

I find it interesting.  I like to think about it.

I am incredibly boring.

Ann

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Here's something Tushar will find INCREDIBLY LAME!  Tushar will want to
say MY ASS!  I think Tushar probably has already decided that Albert Camus
is a lame-brained dickhead, and this will just confirm it!

"I leave Sisyphus at the foot of the mountain! One always finds one's
burden again. But Sisyphus teaches the higher fidelity that negates the
gods and raises rocks. He too concludes that all is well. This universe
henceforth without a master seems to him neither sterile nor futile. Each
atom of that stone, each mineral flake of that night filled mountain, in
itself forms a world. The struggle itself toward the heights is enough to
fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy."
---Albert Camus---

Translation by Justin O'Brien, 1955

Ann

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Is this a common thing to have happen?

I went on to www.cheaptickets.com, for SF - Miami roundtrip fares, and
found them at something like $716 and higher.  ONLY.

But I got a ticket from the AA site for something like $317, and could
have bought one from United's site at about the same price.  I didn't try
Orbitz.

Ann

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >Jeez, Bonnie, is living as Bonnie that bad?  (You don't have to answer
> >that, it's a TRAP)             --Ann
>
> It's not a matter of <my> life and it's not a matter of an emotion like
> depression.  It's more a world-view that I've had all of my life.  I think
> life is rather meaningless.  My life is no more meaningless or meaningful
> than anyone else's and is, in fact, more comfortable than many.  I don't
> walk around down-in-the-dumps.  Rather I walk around mildly annoyed and
> puzzled about the whole thing.

Why annoyed?  I don't see why life has to have any particular
<meaning>.  It's just plain fun.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >I think the real frustration here is if you
> >don't understand why you are pushing
> >the rock up the hill.          - D. M.
>
> Which I would interpret as saying:  you can be made to feel better if you
> work up some justification for the rock pushing.

Isn't that what Sisyphus did?  Well, maybe not exactly a justification.
But are you pushing a rock up the hill?

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I can only speculate that the study of
> philosophy is an intellectual exercise
> that leads into quagmire and paralysis.

Don't forget wallpaper-hanging.

Which brings us to a more important subject:  What kind of vacuum
cleaner should I buy?  There's no rush in the matter.  I don't have time
to mess with vc-shopping right away.  But I started thinking while doing
post-symposium vacuuming this morning that there are no doubt vacuum
cleaners that suck more vigorously than mine.  What features, brands,
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> > It's not the effort that matters.  It's the "why" that matters.
>
>Oh!  I get it.  It's not that you're sweaty and grunting and desperate,
>it's just that you don't have a point AND YOU WANT ONE.
>Ann

Yes!  Exactly.  Took long enough.


bonnie

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>I can only speculate that the study of
>philosophy is an intellectual exercise
>that leads into quagmire and paralysis.
>                     - D. M.

Or is that those who are predisposed to viewing life as a quagmire are
attracted to philosophy?  Once there they rather enjoy the paralysis, seek
like-minded people, and become more interested in endless ways to describe
the quagmire rather than placing some boards and climbing on out.


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>Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > > Anyway, this rock-up-a-hill metaphor, it's interesting.
> >
> > No, it's incredibly boring.
>
>I find it interesting.  I like to think about it.
>Ann

Stick with us Ann.  Tushar is shallow.  He only seeks excitement.  His is a
life lived to escape the ordinary and exist at some falsely heightened
sense of awareness.  He is doomed to crash.  Nor is he any happier than the
rest of us.  Less, perhaps.


bonnie

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>The struggle itself toward the heights is enough to
>fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy."
>---Albert Camus---
>
>Translation by Justin O'Brien, 1955
>Ann

But how to get to that point where the struggle is enough?  Leap of faith?


bonnie

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>Why annoyed?  I don't see why life has to have any particular
><meaning>.  It's just plain fun.        -- Natalie

There are many people like you.  Clyde is one.  Your kind think only in
terms of <this> life:  your daily routine, your work, your friends,
etc.   You find lots of fun and meaning in the day.  You put meaning into
your life.  You do for others, you find satisfaction in doing a job well,
you delight in a good book or a funny movie.

My kind (I might include Borkin) do all those same things.  And for the
most part we are fairly happy.  We too put meaning into our lives, enjoy a
good book, laugh with friends.  But it is a bigger thing that bothers
us.  Your kind seldom if ever thinks about things like "why am I here and
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somewhere?".

Life with a lower class "l" is quite enough.  You don't understand why
anyway need bother thinking of Life with a capital L.   When forced by one
of my kind to think about these things, your usual answer is:  "why even
bother with that?  you can't know anyway."  which only indicates that it
isn't important to you.  My kind stays troubled.


bonnie

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>Which brings us to a more important subject:  What kind of vacuum
>cleaner should I buy?  There's no rush in the matter.  I don't have time
>to mess with vc-shopping right away.  But I started thinking while doing
>post-symposium vacuuming this morning that there are no doubt vacuum
>cleaners that suck more vigorously than mine.  What features, brands,
>etc. should I look for?           -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

First look within yourself and determine what is most important.  I didn't
do this.  Or maybe I did and was mistaken.  I thought sucking power was my
most important thing.  It turned out that the noise factor was even more
important.  After a few years of wearing ear protectors every time I
vacuumed, I rejoiced when that powerful sucker died.  I went out and bought
one that sucked less efficiently but was easier on my nervous system.


bonnie

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bonniev wrote:

>   But it is a bigger thing that bothers
> us.  Your kind seldom if ever thinks about things like "why am I here and
> is there something I'm supposed to do while I'm here?  Is this all leading
> somewhere?".

I used to think about things like that more than I do now.

> Life with a lower class "l" is quite enough.  You don't understand why
> anyway need bother thinking of Life with a capital L.   When forced by one
> of my kind to think about these things, your usual answer is:  "why even
> bother with that?  you can't know anyway."  which only indicates that it
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That's not precisely it, though it's close in ways -- or at least for me
-- I can't speak for all of us life-enjoyers.  I think it's perfectly
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philosophy courses and have spent a good bit of time thinking about
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thoughts.  I think about it for a while but then think about how much
fun life is, whatever Life's purpose or non-purpose.  So in a sense,
you're right that it isn't important for me to <figure it out>.  I think
I would choose the word "necessary" rather than "important."  But that's
a minor quibble.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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bonniev wrote:

> First look within yourself and determine what is most important.  I didn't
> do this.  Or maybe I did and was mistaken.  I thought sucking power was my
> most important thing.  It turned out that the noise factor was even more
> important.  After a few years of wearing ear protectors every time I
> vacuumed, I rejoiced when that powerful sucker died.  I went out and bought
> one that sucked less efficiently but was easier on my nervous system.

Hmm.  Is it either-or?  I do consider my ears more important than my
rugs.  But I would prefer to have it all -- to have outstanding quiet
sucking.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> >I can only speculate that the study of
> >philosophy is an intellectual exercise
> >that leads into quagmire and paralysis.
> >                     - D. M.
>
> Or is that those who are predisposed to viewing life as a quagmire are
> attracted to philosophy?  Once there they rather enjoy the paralysis,
seek
> like-minded people, and become more interested in endless ways to
describe
> the quagmire rather than placing some boards and climbing on out.
>
>
> bonnie

Could be, couldn't it?

        - D. M.

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>Hmm.  Is it either-or?  I do consider my ears more important than my
>rugs.  But I would prefer to have it all -- to have outstanding quiet
>sucking.         -- Natalie

If you find one that has it all, please do let me know.  Will you have the
patience and courage to shop extensively and ask to please listen to each
brand before buying?


bonnie

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bonniev writes,

>My kind stays troubled.

Sooner or later you'll come to realize that there isn't *any* meaning to
life, and therefore it's up to us to create the meaning we'd like.  (If we
so desire, of course.)

I think you're annoyed because you expect there is, or should be, a meaning
(perhaps because you'd been told so), but you also suspect there isn't a
meaning (having not found one yet) -- and that dichotomy is unsatisfying.

Pete

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Evelyn Duncan:
>There was a dead frog in the volleyball court, and,
>naturally, Daisy found it and tried to eat it.

...and rightfully so.  Frogs are good eating.

Well, maybe not decomposing court-found frogs.

Come down here and we'll go Rayne, La, the
Frog Capital of the World.

Dat's livin', huh.

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Here's a picture that shows the pinwheels Spencer daintily picked off of
the platter.  I think it's impressive that he could do so, especially
for a clumsy dog:

http://www.maynor.net/Temp/food.jpg

The stuff to the left of the pinwheels is what he ate a neat corner off
of.  I took this picture to test my camera batteries shortly before
Spencer committed the acts.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>I think you're annoyed because you expect there is, or should be, a meaning
>(perhaps because you'd been told so),

It's not just because I've been told so.  It simply would be nice if it all
made some sense and was going some place..

>but you also suspect there isn't a
>meaning (having not found one yet) -- and that dichotomy is unsatisfying.
>Pete

One thing it is not -- I can't put that kind of meaning in my
life.   Either this is one or there isn't.  It has nothing to do with
me.  If there is some meaning, then I am but a very tiny cog in the big
machine.


bonnie

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In a message dated 9/20/2003 2:17:33 AM Central Daylight Time,
Dutchessg1@AOL.COM writes:
<<
He could easily beat the lab we had afa
eating habits go.

>>

If he could beat Daisy, he would be a champion eater.
I'm used to finicky cats who don't eat much.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> Very well, but suppose I don't know what the subject
> matter of the painting is?  Where would I have started
> without your or T.S.' help?  I am very interested in
> this.

Had I not been told, I'd have assumed it was
a painting of two of the Three Kings swinging
by the other's place on the way to Bethlehem.

That'd explain the <oriental> appearance of
the camel-borne chap, and that strange thing
in the sky (the Hindu thing Tushar mentioned),
which would be the star.

But hey, to me, art is dirty pix of Ginger Lynn.

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bonnie:
>Rather I walk around mildly annoyed and
>puzzled about the whole thing.

So just stay away from southerners,
you fucking moron.

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In a message dated 9/20/2003 12:37:30 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
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What kind of vacuum
cleaner should I buy?
>>

You want bagless or bag?  How much are you willing to pay?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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In a message dated 9/20/2003 1:04:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
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But I would prefer to have it all -- to have outstanding quiet
sucking.

>>

Kenmore Progressive.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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In case you're just dying to see the symposium pictures, here they are:

http://maynor.net/Temp/Symposium/

People found it way weird, btw, that the person who read the paper
decided to come in formal attire.  That is most definitely not <normal>.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> <<
> But I would prefer to have it all -- to have outstanding quiet
> sucking.
>
> >>
>
> Kenmore Progressive.

Kenmore is a Sears brand, right?  Does it have another name?  I.e., is
there a twin of a Kenmore Progressive that is sold under the name of
whoever makes the Kenmores for Sears?  I definitely don't have the
patience to fool with Sears.  Nor do I like the added expense of paying
to have the thing shipped from Memphis to Starkville.  I want to go to a
store that has vacuum cleaners sitting there and walk out with one and
put it in my car and take it home.  I don't want to screw with looking
at a catalogue at a counter, picking out what I want, doing the order,
paying extra for getting it here, then going and picking it up upon its
arrival.

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The rock takes various forms. Today, we finished moving most artwork to
HH. As soon as I transport my wooden animals (from Mexico) and a few very
small framed photos, all that will remain of the artwork is my bronze
Buddha. Among the wooden animals are a large, colorful armadillo, a
long dragon about to hurl her egg, a medium-sized cat, and a small horse.
(Well, actually, I have to transport one more wooden mask and one ceramic
mask.)

I must start packing soon.

Bethany

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Did you know? 
 
 
 Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer are in the rghit pclae.  The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm.  Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by it slef but the wrod as a wlohe and the biran fguiers it out aynawy. 

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As I contemplate all the books that have to be put into boxes very soon,
I think I will take one more  load to McKay's .... yuck!

I have now funded my move (I sold 2 computers and 2 pieces of furniture
Friday), but extra cash is always handy.

Bethany

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bonniev wrote:
>  Will you have the
> patience and courage to shop extensively and ask to please listen to each
> brand before buying?

I'm not sure how extensively extensively is.  If I go to Columbus, I'll
have both Walmart and Lowe's.  Here I have just Wmart.  But wouldn't it
be simpler and wiser to let my fingers do the clicking through the web?
Surely there are sites that evaluate different vacuum cleaners and
mention things like the sound factor.  And there's always Consumer
Reports, which I can read at the library.  Before I bought my current
vacuum cleaner, I researched in CR.  It has been a good one, but it's
getting pretty old now.  It still works -- I don't have to leap to this
project immediately.  But it's something I think I would like to do
before too long.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> You want bagless or bag?

I have no idea.  That's the reason I asked for opinions here.  What are
the pros and cons?  I also don't know whether I want upright or
cannister.  I guess cannister (is that the right word?), but I'm not
sure why.  It's the kind I've always had.

>  How much are you willing to pay?

Whatever is reasonable for the particular vacuum cleaner.  I'm not
looking for The Best.  Vacuuming is just not that important to me.  But
I want something that will make my rugs clean and happy.  I couldn't
begin to name an amount of money since I haven't looked at vacuum
cleaners in years and thus don't have any idea what they cost these
days.  (I don't remember what they cost in the olden days, for that
matter.)

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> The rock takes various forms. Today, we finished moving most artwork to
> HH. As soon as I transport my wooden animals (from Mexico) and a few very

Why are your wooden animals in Mexico?  (Note:  That is a joke.)

> small framed photos, all that will remain of the artwork is my bronze
> Buddha. Among the wooden animals are a large, colorful armadillo, a
> long dragon about to hurl her egg, a medium-sized cat, and a small horse.
> (Well, actually, I have to transport one more wooden mask and one ceramic
> mask.)
>
> I must start packing soon.

And you consider this kind of thing a rock?

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Doris Markland wrote:
>wouthit a porbelm.  Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by it slef but the wrod as a wlohe and the biran fguiers it out aynawy.

Brains are very smart.

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In a message dated 9/20/2003 6:10:58 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
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I have no idea.  That's the reason I asked for opinions here.  What are
the pros and cons?
>>

With the bagless, you have no bags to change, but you do have a
number of filters to clean or change; the cost would be similar.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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In a message dated 9/20/2003 6:14:31 PM Central Daylight Time,
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Kenmore is a Sears brand, right?  Does it have another name?  I.e., is
there a twin of a Kenmore Progressive that is sold under the name of
whoever makes the Kenmores for Sears?
>>

Panasonic makes most of the Kenmores; Whirlpool makes some of the
beltless (direct drive) ones.

Evelyn Duncan
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Peter Venkman

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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> I must start packing soon.
>
>And you consider this kind of thing a rock?

Yes, I think Sisyphus and bonnie and Samuel Isaac Joseph
Schereschewsky have it right - packing books, pots, pans, dishes, bills,
clothes, videos, appliances, etc. is indeed pushing a rock uphill.

Bethany

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I sent the url for the symposium pictures to the English Department
e-mail list this afternoon, and one person (on leave this year, living
with her husband in Georgia, but that's not really relevant to the
point) said this:

> I can't get those photos. Could you try sending another address or another
> way for me on an iMac going through AOL to get them?

That made no sense at all to me.  (Her address for the English
Department mailing list has always been her AOL address -- because she
spends lots of time in Georgia and didn't realize that she could access
her msstate.edu e-mail via AOL in Georgia.)

Anyway, just as I was thinking that what she said made no sense, I
started thinking about how I sometimes get e-mail from various
organizations that give urls and then add a statement saying that if
you're using AOL, go to [whatever] instead.  I've never paid any
attention to the details -- like how the special url for AOL users
differs from the one for everybody else.  Do any of you have any idea
what that's all about or why my AOL-using colleague can't go to
http://www.maynor.net/Temp/Symposium/?

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> With the bagless, you have no bags to change, but you do have a
> number of filters to clean or change; the cost would be similar.

What about the convenience?  Seems to me that having a number of filters
to clean or change would be a hassle.  This makes me lean toward the
bagged rather than the bagless.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> Panasonic makes most of the Kenmores; Whirlpool makes some of the
> beltless (direct drive) ones.

Aha.  My current vc is a Panasonic (and was very highly praised by
Consumers Report back whenever it was that I bought it -- fifteen or so
years ago).

You've introduced another topic here -- direct drive.  Is that something
good?

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >And you consider this kind of thing a rock?
>
> Yes, I think Sisyphus and bonnie and Samuel Isaac Joseph
> Schereschewsky have it right - packing books, pots, pans, dishes, bills,
> clothes, videos, appliances, etc. is indeed pushing a rock uphill.

Hmm.  I enjoy that sort of stuff but don't think I would enjoy pushing a
rock up a hill.  Also, if you decide to stay put, then the rock doesn't
come back down the hill.  Cutting grass strikes me as more like
rock-pushing since it comes back and back and back down the hill.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>So just stay away from southerners,
>you fucking moron.

Thanks for the advice.  Tonight the Inn was full of Canadians.  Much more
pleasant to talk with.


bonnie

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Why is that woman sitting on the kitchen floor???


>In case you're just dying to see the symposium pictures, here they are:
>
>http://maynor.net/Temp/Symposium/
>
>People found it way weird, btw, that the person who read the paper
>decided to come in formal attire.  That is most definitely not <normal>.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

bonnie

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> But I started thinking while doing
> post-symposium vacuuming this morning that there are no doubt vacuum
> cleaners that suck more vigorously than mine.  What features, brands,
> etc. should I look for?

Avoid Eurekas. They're really bad.

I have a Hoover WindTunnel Bagless that works too well - I'm amazed at all
the fibers it pulls out of the rug. And, it's a pain to use for dusting -
the brushes still turn when it's upright, and the hose isn't long enough. My
Eureka was better for dusting, but it was really horrible at floor-cleaning.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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>Yes, I think Sisyphus and bonnie and Samuel Isaac Joseph
>Schereschewsky have it right - packing books, pots, pans, dishes, bills,
>clothes, videos, appliances, etc. is indeed pushing a rock uphill.
>Bethany

Why?  You don't have to do it all over again the next day.


bonnie

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The owner of one of these building (Kyle and Gloria sold the end one
before they opened these up) is thinking of leasing the ground floor to
the owner of a karaoke bar! Yuck!

Bethany

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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, bonniev wrote:

> But how to get to that point where the struggle is enough?  Leap of faith?

Good genes.

(ha ha ha ha ha)

Ann

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In a message dated 9/20/2003 7:15:12 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
<<
You've introduced another topic here -- direct drive.  Is that something
good?

>>

You don't have to worry about belts breaking; a direct-drive vac has
a second motor for the brushroller; there's usually a switch to turn
the brushroller off for bare floors and on for carpeting.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, bonniev wrote:

> My kind (I might include Borkin) do all those same things.  And for the
> most part we are fairly happy.  We too put meaning into our lives, enjoy a
> good book, laugh with friends.  But it is a bigger thing that bothers
> us.  Your kind seldom if ever thinks about things like "why am I here and
> is there something I'm supposed to do while I'm here?  Is this all leading
> somewhere?".

First look within yourself and determine what is most important.  I didn't
do this.  Or maybe I did and was mistaken.  I thought sucking power was my
most important thing.

Ann

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Why, Natalie, why was a guest giving you the finger?

Does your grandfather clock work?

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In a message dated 9/20/2003 7:10:14 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
<<
Do any of you have any idea
what that's all about or why my AOL-using colleague can't go to
http://www.maynor.net/Temp/Symposium/?

>>

I had no trouble, but then I'm running AOL 8.0 Plus
(not sure if I want to upgrade to 9.0 until I get more memory
for this computer).

Is the dog Spencer?  He's a cutie.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, bonniev wrote:

>>Yes, I think Sisyphus and bonnie and Samuel Isaac Joseph
>>Schereschewsky have it right - packing books, pots, pans, dishes, bills,
>>clothes, videos, appliances, etc. is indeed pushing a rock uphill.
>>Bethany
>
>Why?  You don't have to do it all over again the next day.

Because it is part of the whole process.

Bethany

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> Had I not been told, I'd have assumed it was
> a painting of two of the Three Kings swinging
> by the other's place on the way to Bethlehem.
>
> That'd explain the <oriental> appearance of
> the camel-borne chap, and that strange thing
> in the sky (the Hindu thing Tushar mentioned),
> which would be the star.
>
> But hey, to me, art is dirty pix of Ginger Lynn.

I didn't even know the visit had taken place.
Something else left out of my pock-marked education.
But it must be so, as there is the picture to prove
it.


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  It has been a
> good one, but it's
> getting pretty old now.  It still works -- I don't
> have to leap to this
> project immediately.  But it's something I think I
> would like to do
> before too long.


I don't know how noisy they are these days, but you
can't go wrong with the mechanics of a Kenmore.  You
can pay a lot more money for a more prestigious name, though.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> Why is that woman sitting on the kitchen floor???

It would not necessarily be unusual for somebody at such an event to be
sitting on the kitchen floor, but in this case it was because she was
sick.  In fact, I hesitated before including that picture in the batch
(when I took it, I didn't realize she was sick) but then decided it was
ok since she must be ok since her car vanished from the street sometime
shortly before noon today.

A German professor and I were sitting on the steps outside my kitchen
door smoking during the paper, shortly after I took that picture of
Becky on the kitchen floor, and Becky came out and said she was horribly
sick and needed to go home.  The German professor is a good friend of
hers.  He had come on a bicycle, she in her car.  So I suggested that we
get in my car, which was a short distance from where we were sitting,
and take Becky home.  Mike agreed and said that he would bring her back
today to pick up her car.  So that's what we did.  She was coughing and
gagging and saying she was about to throw up.  It had nothing to do with
alcohol.  She had consumed little or none.  It was something else.

On the way back from taking her home, Mike and I were talking about
illnesses, and we discovered that neither of us was ever sick.  He then
said something that made me chuckle because it is so out of kilter with
statistics yet is something I have noticed in my personal life so very,
very often.  He said, "Have you ever noticed that smokers don't get sick
but non-smokers do?"  I L'edOL and said, "Yes."  My (now dead) friend
Mary Ann and I used to talk about that.  We found it totally alien to
our experiences that some of our colleagues would miss work because of
illness.  I think I forgot to mention to Mike that in my 30+-year career
I have never missed a day of work because of illness, but I did tell him
that illness wasn't something I was into.

As I said, I know that statistics say otherwise, but it has seemed for
all of my adult life that smokers don't get sick while non-smokers do.
(I guess I could add my childhood to that.  My father was a smoker.  It
never occurred to me that somebody might stay home from work because of
being sick since it wasn't something I had ever observed.  Daddy was
never sick.)

It has been my experience that smokers do die earlier than non-smokers.
But they for sure don't get sick as often in their pre-death years in my
experience.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> Dusting?  It has never occurred to me to use a vc
> for dusting.  To me
> vc=floor-cleaner.  Am I mutant?


Yes.  Doesn't your present machine have attachments
for dusting?

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> I had no trouble, but then I'm running AOL 8.0 Plus
> (not sure if I want to upgrade to 9.0 until I get more memory
> for this computer).

Thanks.  You are also light years above this person in overall computer
knowledge.  Who knows what she might be doing to keep her from seeing
the pictures.

> Is the dog Spencer?  He's a cutie.

Indeed that is Spencer.  And he is indeed a cutie.  Thank you for
recognizing that!

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> Dusting?  It has never occurred to me to use a vc for dusting.  To me
> vc=floor-cleaner.  Am I mutant?

Not at all, this time, I don't think, you just don't know that most upright
vacuums today come with hoses and attachments. I use the little brush on the
end of the hose to dust with.

--Adam
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> http://maynor.net/Temp/Symposium/

Very nice.
>
> People found it way weird, btw, that the person who
> read the paper
> decided to come in formal attire.  That is most
> definitely not <normal>.

He dresses nattily only for Natalie.


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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> I have a Hoover WindTunnel Bagless that works too well - I'm amazed at all
> the fibers it pulls out of the rug. And, it's a pain to use for dusting -
> the brushes still turn when it's upright, and the hose isn't long enough. My
> Eureka was better for dusting, but it was really horrible at floor-cleaning.

Dusting?  It has never occurred to me to use a vc for dusting.  To me
vc=floor-cleaner.  Am I mutant?

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> Why, Natalie, why was a guest giving you the finger?

He wasn't giving it to me.  He was giving it to my camera.  He had said
that he didn't like having his picture taken, and I had reminded him
that I have a picture of his bare butt in a shoebox in my closet.  He
mooned us all during my moving party in '83.  We had fun talking about
pictures because he's the one I threw my camera to in Morocco when the
snake man pushed the snake into my face.  The picture of the man and
snake, on my bathroom wall, was one Richard took.  Now that I think
about it, Richard-related things are in abundance in my bathroom.  The
"A la queue" picture of the French dogs is one he had brought his mother
from France and that his mother wanted me to have when she died.
Anyway, I think Richard doesn't like cameras now because he is gray and
bald.  He is very vain.  I was happy and surprised that he even came to
the symposium because September is one of the months when he usually
doesn't eat.

> Does your grandfather clock work?

Yes.  I don't think I would want one that didn't work.

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In a message dated 9/20/2003 8:27:04 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
<<
Dusting?  It has never occurred to me to use a vc for dusting.  To me
vc=floor-cleaner.
>>

That's what the attachments are for.  And with a Kenmore, the
upholstery tool and dusting brush can fit onto the crevice tool,
giving you a little extra reach.

Evelyn Duncan
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Adam Hartfield wrote:
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> > Dusting?  It has never occurred to me to use a vc for dusting.  To me
> > vc=floor-cleaner.  Am I mutant?
>
> Not at all, this time, I don't think, you just don't know that most upright
> vacuums today come with hoses and attachments. I use the little brush on the
> end of the hose to dust with.

I've never had a vacuum cleaner without attachments (and all have been
cannister, not upright).  My current one has tons of attachments, as did
its predecessors.  I use them for things like vacuuming the car and
vacuuming cobwebs from the ceiling.  But I don't think of any of those
activities as dusting.  I dust with EndDust and a cloth -- or between
serious dustings with a Swifler Mitt.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> That's what the attachments are for.  And with a Kenmore, the
> upholstery tool and dusting brush can fit onto the crevice tool,
> giving you a little extra reach.

Crevice tool?  I can tell that there are many things for me to learn
about vacuum cleaners.

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The pseudonymous New Orleans drunk wrote:
>>So just stay away from southerners,
>>you fucking moron.

Ah, so the resident expert in Roman Catholic theology has reverted to his
customary mode of expression.

cwv

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Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> > Dusting?  It has never occurred to me to use a vc
> > for dusting.  To me
> > vc=floor-cleaner.  Am I mutant?
>
> Yes.  Doesn't your present machine have attachments
> for dusting?

It certainly has attachments.  I do <dust> chairs at times with them.
But what I'm talking about is wood stuff -- like dressers or coffee
tables or whatever.  One uses a vc for such surfaces??

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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>It has been my experience that smokers do die earlier than non-smokers.
>But they for sure don't get sick as often in their pre-death years in my
>experience.

I suppose your generalization makes sense - if you do not count lung
cancer, emphysema, gangrene, etc. as <being sick>.

Bethany

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> Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> > With the bagless, you have no bags to change, but you do have a
> > number of filters to clean or change; the cost would be similar.
>
> What about the convenience?  Seems to me that having a number of
filters
> to clean or change would be a hassle.  This makes me lean toward the
> bagged rather than the bagless.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I agree.  Just take the bag out and
replace it and be done.

     - D. M.

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> >So just stay away from southerners,
> >you fucking moron.
>
> Thanks for the advice.  Tonight the Inn was full of Canadians.  Much
more
> pleasant to talk with.
>
>
> bonnie

However . . in Hawaii, the Canadians are
known as "the people who don't give tips."

         - D. M.

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In a message dated 9/20/2003 8:59:30 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
<<
It certainly has attachments.  I do <dust> chairs at times with them.
But what I'm talking about is wood stuff -- like dressers or coffee
tables or whatever.  One uses a vc for such surfaces??

>>

You can use the dusting brush, but there's nothing like
handrubbing the furniture with polish.  I remember when I
was a kid, we had this red furniture polish, and one of the
things we polished was the stereo system.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> You can use the dusting brush, but there's nothing like
> handrubbing the furniture with polish.  I remember when I
> was a kid, we had this red furniture polish, and one of the
> things we polished was the stereo system.

I don't use furniture polish, except on very rare occasions when I'm
trying to help a piece of furniture that's seriously marred -- and it
usually doesn't work.  I use EndDust as a help-grab-the-dust thing,
though I also use just the Swifler glove pretty often and also
feather-dusters for odd places like around the stereo components.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> I suppose your generalization makes sense - if you do not count lung
>> cancer, emphysema, gangrene, etc. as <being sick>.
>
>?  I wasn't talking about <sense>.

Oh, well - in that case, make whatever generalizations you want to!

Bethany

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In a message dated 9/20/2003 6:10:07 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

>Do any of you have any idea
>what that's all about or why my AOL-using colleague can't go to
>http://www.maynor.net/Temp/Symposium/?
---
I can only get one of them too.
Theo

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> ?  I wasn't talking about <sense>.  I was simply
> saying that what this
> German professor said in the car last night jibed
> with my own
> observations and that I found that funny in a way.
> Most people die
> pretty soon after being diagnosed with lung cancer,
> in my observation,
> btw.  We were talking about people who are ordinary
> employees of an
> organization (like MSU) and who are either at work
> every day or not at
> work every day, in the latter case being "sick."  It
> has long been my
> observation, which is why I found his mentioning it
> funny, that the
> non-smokers are the ones who are constantly "sick."
>  But this goes back
> to an earlier topic on this <service> about what
> sick means and how you
> have to feel to decide that you are <sick>.  We
> don't know how each
> other feels exactly.  How could we?  I therefore
> think that some people
> declare themselves "sick" when feeling exactly like
> somebody else who
> just thinks it's "not a good day."

I have made the same observation vis a vis smokers and
non.  Non-smokers, especially females, seem to tend to
the hypochondriacal.  Also, I keep payroll records, so
am in a position to be able to compare.

But the same phenomenon holds true with alcoholics.
Good employees who happen to be alcoholic seldom miss
work due to sickness (or any other reason).


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> However . . in Hawaii, the Canadians are
> known as "the people who don't give tips."
>

Heck of a choice.  Obnoxious or cheap.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >It has been my experience that smokers do die earlier than non-smokers.
> >But they for sure don't get sick as often in their pre-death years in my
> >experience.
>
> I suppose your generalization makes sense - if you do not count lung
> cancer, emphysema, gangrene, etc. as <being sick>.

?  I wasn't talking about <sense>.  I was simply saying that what this
German professor said in the car last night jibed with my own
observations and that I found that funny in a way.  Most people die
pretty soon after being diagnosed with lung cancer, in my observation,
btw.  We were talking about people who are ordinary employees of an
organization (like MSU) and who are either at work every day or not at
work every day, in the latter case being "sick."  It has long been my
observation, which is why I found his mentioning it funny, that the
non-smokers are the ones who are constantly "sick."   But this goes back
to an earlier topic on this <service> about what sick means and how you
have to feel to decide that you are <sick>.  We don't know how each
other feels exactly.  How could we?  I therefore think that some people
declare themselves "sick" when feeling exactly like somebody else who
just thinks it's "not a good day."

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Doris Markland wrote:

> However . . in Hawaii, the Canadians are
> known as "the people who don't give tips."

Is that because the tipping routines are different in Canada (I use the
US ones when there) and they thus forget, or is it because they're
stingy?  What is the usual with Japanese in Hawaii, of which there are
many?  Since tipping isn't done at all in Japan, I would guess that they
might forget to tip, although it's also possible that they keep
reminding themselves about tipping and do it to an extreme.  (When I'm
traveling and thus eating in restaurants alone, I always overtip because
I want the waitpeople not to have negative feelings toward women or
toward single diners.  It's sort of a <cause> with me, though I don't
overtip if the service is really horrible.  I do if it's average.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> >?  I wasn't talking about <sense>.
>
> Oh, well - in that case, make whatever generalizations you want to!

? I was talking about personal observations.  I would say that
statistics are at least as likely to be considered "generalizations."

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Theo Groothof wrote:

> >Do any of you have any idea
> >what that's all about or why my AOL-using colleague can't go to
> >http://www.maynor.net/Temp/Symposium/?
> ---
> I can only get one of them too.

What do you mean?  Only one picture of the bunch?

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> Is that because the tipping routines are different in Canada (I use
the
> US ones when there) and they thus forget, or is it because they're
> stingy?  What is the usual with Japanese in Hawaii, of which there are
> many?  Since tipping isn't done at all in Japan, I would guess that
they
> might forget to tip, although it's also possible that they keep
> reminding themselves about tipping and do it to an extreme.  (When I'm
> traveling and thus eating in restaurants alone, I always overtip
because
> I want the waitpeople not to have negative feelings toward women or
> toward single diners.  It's sort of a <cause> with me, though I don't
> overtip if the service is really horrible.  I do if it's average.)
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Understandable.

I know people in the hotel business in Hawaii
and they just say that Canadians are not generous and often don't tip at
all.  Zilch.  Nada.  I know that so many of the Canadians who winter
there are older, rather staunch retired people, farmers, probably much
like Gene and me . . although I tend to think that Gene is generous and
I tend to think we are not staunch.  :-)

The only Japanese we know are Hawaiian
Japanese and they are extremely generous in
their tipping.  Generous to the point of almost
shocking us.  But they are generous with us too.

The Japanese are such thoughtful gifting people.  It is difficult to
outdo them.

               - D. M.

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> > However . . in Hawaii, the Canadians are
> > known as "the people who don't give tips."
> >
>
> Heck of a choice.  Obnoxious or cheap.
>

:-)

- D. M.

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Lynne Weber wrote:

> I have made the same observation vis a vis smokers and
> non.  Non-smokers, especially females, seem to tend to
> the hypochondriacal.  Also, I keep payroll records, so
> am in a position to be able to compare.

I wonder why it seems to be true.  And I wonder why I've read things
about statistics that suggest otherwise -- that suggest that smokers
miss more days of work than do non-smokers.  I know I've read that.  But
I've never seen it ftf to be true.

I hate that Karen is absent right now.  She is one example I'm thinking
of as a non-smoker who is constantly sick -- or at least she was when
she was employed.  I remember thinking "OH MY Gosh -- HOW HORRIBLE" when
she first mentioned being at home "sick" after first going to work with
Dell.  I kept thinking about how terrible it would be for something like
that to happen on a new job.  But then I realized that she didn't think
it was a big deal at all.  It seemd pretty ho-hum to her, as if staying
at home "sick" was routine.

Let me state flat-out that I am obviously mutant in my views about such
things.  I would have considered it death to be sick when on a new job.
Nothing ho-hum at all.  And I must admit (though I still hate that Karen
isn't here at the moment, thus making me feel that I'm <talking behind
her back>) that if I were an employer given the terrible task of having
to choose people to let go in a crunch, I would, as much as I hated
having to be in that position, choose the sickly.  Probably that was not
related to Karen's situation.  It was probably the old
lasthired/firstfired thing.

> But the same phenomenon holds true with alcoholics.
> Good employees who happen to be alcoholic seldom miss
> work due to sickness (or any other reason).

And let me reiterate that I am not trying to promote smoking or drinking
(in excess).  I know that both of those activities can lead to early
deaths.  I just find it interesting that the pre-death (as in not in the
final months of life) scene seems to defy the statistics.

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Someone please help me.  I think I am suffering from time warp or something.

I thought, this afternoon, that I read that Miss America had been crowned last night and it was Erica someone, Miss Illinois.

Then tonight, after our dinner guests left, I turned on the TV to the Miss America pageant
and watched them crown a Miss Florida.
Whole different scenario.

Who won?  When?  What is happening?
I am losing it, I swear.

             - D. M.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> The Japanese are such thoughtful gifting people.  It is difficult to
> outdo them.

This is true.  I guess when they travel, they keep reminding themselves
about the alien world of tipping.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>
> > I have made the same observation vis a vis smokers and
> > non.  Non-smokers, especially females, seem to tend to
> > the hypochondriacal.  Also, I keep payroll records, so
> > am in a position to be able to compare.

I don't know about that but I do know that
I was a very addicted smoker but I can't remember  being sick more than
a few times in my life, either while I was smoking or after I quit.
Not sick now, in my "old age", even
with my past smoking history.  Don't even have colds.

               - D. M.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Who won?  When?  What is happening?
> I am losing it, I swear.

Surely there are more reliable sources here than I am.  All I can say is
that I remember from back in my high-school years, when it was exciting
because Miss Mississippis kept winning, was that it was always on the
Saturday night before school started on Monday.  And school normally
started around my Daddy's birthday, which was September 18.

But wait -- you watched them crown this person?  That means it can't be
happening tonight.  It was always much later than this -- like after
11.  Something is amiss.

--
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> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > Who won?  When?  What is happening?
> > I am losing it, I swear.
>
> Surely there are more reliable sources here than I am.  All I can say
is
> that I remember from back in my high-school years, when it was
exciting
> because Miss Mississippis kept winning, was that it was always on the
> Saturday night before school started on Monday.  And school normally
> started around my Daddy's birthday, which was September 18.
>
> But wait -- you watched them crown this person?  That means it can't
be
> happening tonight.  It was always much later than this -- like after
> 11.  Something is amiss.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

But that's not what's amiss.  The press said
that Miss Illinois was crowned last night and then I watched Miss
Florida be crowned
tonight.  I watched the talent portion, and it
was not up to it's usual standard.  Bad M. C.
too (IMO).  In fact, everything seemed "off."
I'm not sure they sand "Here she comes,
Miss America."

Maybe there was more than one contest this
year.

Maybe there was something called
Miss Ablerica.

                      - D. M.

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02003-09-20 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > > Anyway, this rock-up-a-hill metaphor, it's interesting.
> >
> > No, it's incredibly boring.
>
> I find it interesting.  I like to think about it.
>
> I am incredibly boring.

Is that some kind of "all Cretans lie" statement?

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> Then tonight, after our dinner guests left, I turned
> on the TV to the Miss America pageant
> and watched them crown a Miss Florida.
> Whole different scenario.
>
> Who won?  When?  What is happening?
> I am losing it, I swear.

Well, the second scenario is the real one, but it must
be hard for bonniev to contemplate for an entire year.

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> Sorry, that was sloppy editing.  I still miss Bert Parks.


Well, he's dead, I think.  He did have a
certain something. . . probably just that we
expected to see him at that event.  We were
used to him.  Familiar.  Association.

The number of black finalists tonight seemed
disproportinate.  That could happen, of
course.  It just struck me because all along
I wasn't sure this was the real Miss America
contest in the first place.

I think  I have dreamed all this.

            - D. M.

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> > Saturday night before school started on Monday.
>
> But that's not what's amiss.  The press said
> that Miss Illinois was crowned last night and then I
> watched Miss
> Florida be crowned
> tonight.  I watched the talent portion, and it
> was not up to it's usual standard.  Bad M. C.
> too (IMO).  In fact, everything seemed "off."
> I'm not sure they sand "Here she comes,
> Miss America."
>
> Maybe there was more than one contest this
> year.
>
> Maybe there was something called

I read that they were going to have a pre-recorded
version of the song to let the "co-hosts" off the
hook.  And I remember thinking the "co-hosts" were
some persons very ho-hum.

But now, which is the true Miss A?
> Miss Ablerica.
>
>                       - D. M.


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Sorry, that was sloppy editing.  I still miss Bert Parks.

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02003-09-20 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> Here's something Tushar will find INCREDIBLY LAME!  Tushar will want to
> say MY ASS!  I think Tushar probably has already decided that Albert Camus
> is a lame-brained dickhead, and this will just confirm it!
>
> "I leave Sisyphus at the foot of the mountain! One always finds one's
> burden again. But Sisyphus teaches the higher fidelity that negates the
> gods and raises rocks. He too concludes that all is well. This universe
> henceforth without a master seems to him neither sterile nor futile. Each
> atom of that stone, each mineral flake of that night filled mountain, in
> itself forms a world. The struggle itself toward the heights is enough to
> fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy."
> ---Albert Camus---
>
> Translation by Justin O'Brien, 1955

I almost didn't respond to this, since I remember having done it two
or three times before ... Let me simply ask: after having the exact
same exchange every year since 1955, about the exact same passage,
with some person exactly like Bonnie, don't you get bored? Don't you
want to take a thing to some higher level of abstraction, after seeing
it three times?

The above is indeed an uninteresting passage, written by a conniver
with pretty contemptibly base motives. The conniving can be seen in
the use of the ridiculous word "fidelity" so the WORD "faith" may be
avoided, and generally the unbelievable stuffing of rhetoric to fill
out the pages with a small point. And of course the "argument"--if
there is any--which even a taxi driver would laugh at. (No lie--a
taxi driver HAS laughed at it. He just hadn't heard of the myth of
Sisyphus or anything.)

As for the base motive, it is more easily expressed by saying: "I
will sit here in this dark room, miserable, as long as you are all
happy". It would be a pretty basic error to mistake something this
puny for, say, "may all beings be happy".

It occurs to me that Bonnie could do well to say it like that. She
is in that condition anyway--selfish to the point of occasionally
disbelieving in other beings, unable to sympathize, unable to
participate in a community, and bored out of her mind. Why not
cut through the rhetorical crap? Non-crap rhetoric isn't that
easy. Once an admission is made, it becomes a lot easier to
invent satisfying ways to feel superiorily sensitive. And they
are enough to fill a man's heart! They too lead to the conclusion
that all is well!

Finally, I must ask--how does this remain interesting after innumerable
visits to Buddhist day camp?

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It's like pushing a rock up a hill!

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In a message dated 9/20/2003 9:19:55 AM, dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU writes:

>Four years before his death in 1906, he said: "I have sat in this chair
>for over twenty years. It seemed very hard at first. But God knew best.
>He
>kept me for the work for which I am best fitted." "
>
How fortunate that he could find solace in finding something(one) to blame
for his condition. Ignorance *IS* bless I guess. I've never been able to accept
mine because it was other people's stupidity that caused it.
Theo

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In a message dated 9/20/2003 8:06:16 AM, dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:

>Sounds like doom at the end of a bad day,
>
>but don't you find that by morning you see
>>things with fresh eyes and hope returns?
>
>Some of us have come to realize that there's no hope no matter how many new
days are to follow. That's exactly why frustration takes over. I sincerely
hope that none of you ever have to feel like that because it *ain't no fun*, take
my word for it.
Theo

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In a message dated 9/20/2003 7:26:00 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

>It has been my experience that smokers do die earlier than non-smokers.
>But they for sure don't get sick as often in their pre-death years in my
>experience.
>
It's been mine too. Alyce has been the exception. I remember it was
practically the first thing she said when we met. "Oh, thank goodness you smoke too."
But then of course, she wasn't that young when she died; so perhaps it was her
time to go. I DO believe that we have a time schedule set out for us. And
death does not scare me. I only hope that it's the least painful when it comes.
Theo

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In a message dated 9/20/2003 8:41:36 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

>What do you mean?  Only one picture of the bunch?
>
No, I meant one at the time.
Theo

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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> >?  I wasn't talking about <sense>.
>>
>> Oh, well - in that case, make whatever generalizations you want to!
>
>? I was talking about personal observations.  I would say that
>statistics are at least as likely to be considered "generalizations."

Sure - which is why we want them to make sense.

Bethany

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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>And let me reiterate that I am not trying to promote smoking or drinking
>(in excess).  I know that both of those activities can lead to early
>deaths.  I just find it interesting that the pre-death (as in not in the
>final months of life) scene seems to defy the statistics.

I have never seen any <evidence> that that is true.

Bethany

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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Theo Groothof wrote:

>In a message dated 9/20/2003 9:19:55 AM, dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU writes:
>
>>Four years before his death in 1906, he said: "I have sat in this chair
>>for over twenty years. It seemed very hard at first. But God knew best.
>>He
>>kept me for the work for which I am best fitted." "
>>
>How fortunate that he could find solace in finding something(one) to blame
>for his condition. Ignorance *IS* bless I guess. I've never been able to accept
>mine because it was other people's stupidity that caused it.

Where do you read <blame> in S's statement, Theo?

Bethany

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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 10:30:40 -0700, Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> wrote:

>Is this a common thing to have happen?
>
>I went on to www.cheaptickets.com, for SF - Miami roundtrip fares, and
>found them at something like $716 and higher.  ONLY.
>
>But I got a ticket from the AA site for something like $317, and could
>have bought one from United's site at about the same price.  I didn't try
>Orbitz.
>
Too bad. It would have been interesting to know what kind of packages Orbitz
had.

>From the earliest days of online ticket sales, when cheaptickets and
lowestfares were just starting up, I remember that some young dotcomm
er actually came out on the front page of the website with a whine that
 the airlines were hedging, holding back some of the deals from them
and only giving them access to a limited number of discount tickets.
The implication (or accusation) was that the airlines intended to compete
 directly with them in the online sales arena and that it "wasn't fair".

I generally use Orbitz, but I always check my favorite airlines directly
 also. About 2/3 of the time, Orbitz is a better deal or flies more
interesting routes (through airports I find more fun to change planes at).
By the way, I decided last month that when I fly coast to coast from now on
I am going to try to make two connections instead of one. I enjoyed the trip
much more because I was able to get out and stretch my legs. Odd, no?

clo

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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 12:37:22 -0500, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

>Doris Markland wrote:
>
>> I can only speculate that the study of
>> philosophy is an intellectual exercise
>> that leads into quagmire and paralysis.
>
>Don't forget wallpaper-hanging.
>
>Which brings us to a more important subject:  What kind of vacuum
>cleaner should I buy?  There's no rush in the matter.  I don't have time
>to mess with vc-shopping right away.  But I started thinking while doing
>post-symposium vacuuming this morning that there are no doubt vacuum
>cleaners that suck more vigorously than mine.  What features, brands,
>etc. should I look for?
>
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

This is a question that deeply interests me. I have been disappointed by
 every purchase I have made in 20 years in this department. The only vc
that meets my standards is the Electrolux that was manufactured the year
my husband was born, which we sadly can no longer get parts for. If you find
something that really is effective - particularly with cat hair on carpets -
please share!
clo

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I'm not sure they sand "Here she comes,
> Miss America."

I thought they quit singing that when Whatshisname retired -- that
nobody else knew how to sing it right or something like that.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> The number of black finalists tonight seemed
> disproportinate.  That could happen, of

How many were there?

It occurs to me that I don't even know who Miss Mississippi is or what
color she is.  Wait -- it's coming to me that I heard somebody saying at
lunch that he had taught her and that she's an outstanding student.  But
I don't know what race.  Also, I'm not sure that was about Miss
Mississippi.  Maybe it was about somebody who was vying for the MM title
but maybe didn't get it.

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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 13:43:22 -0400, bonniev <bonniev@GWI.NET> wrote:

>>I can only speculate that the study of
>>philosophy is an intellectual exercise
>>that leads into quagmire and paralysis.
>>                     - D. M.
>
>Or is that those who are predisposed to viewing life as a quagmire are
>attracted to philosophy?  Once there they rather enjoy the paralysis, seek
>like-minded people, and become more interested in endless ways to describe
>the quagmire rather than placing some boards and climbing on out.
>
>
>bonnie

Interesting way to describe (or disarm?) those who attempt to measure the
length of the boards needed to reach the lip of the quagmire.

*aside* -  I only stay on this list because it's the one place I can write a
sentence like that and get a response from someone who could follow it.
<blissful sigh>

clo

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> It's like pushing a rock up a hill!

Should I feel left out at not having gotten such mail?  Or if I have
gotten it, I haven't noticed it.

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Theo Groothof wrote:

> >What do you mean?  Only one picture of the bunch?
> >
> No, I meant one at the time.

I'm not sure that I understand.  When you click on that url (or type it
in), one picture hops onto your screen?  If so, how could you see any of
the others?


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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> I am going to try to make two connections instead of one. I enjoyed the trip
> much more because I was able to get out and stretch my legs. Odd, no?

I don't find that odd at all.  I've always preferred to change planes
relatively often unless I'm carrying a bunch of stuff, which I almost
never am since I hate carrying stuff onto planes.  The only time I've
taken an actual carry-on bag onto a plane was in going to Japan with a
year's worth of clothes and stuff.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> This is a question that deeply interests me. I have been disappointed by
>  every purchase I have made in 20 years in this department. The only vc
> that meets my standards is the Electrolux that was manufactured the year
> my husband was born, which we sadly can no longer get parts for. If you find
> something that really is effective - particularly with cat hair on carpets -
> please share!

I will.  Probably I'm not going to get to this project right away,
though.  I keep managing to pile on more tasks/activities.  I think it
will be after xmas before my life gets calmer.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 13:54:17 -0400, bonniev <bonniev@GWI.NET> wrote:

>>Why annoyed?  I don't see why life has to have any particular
>><meaning>.  It's just plain fun.        -- Natalie
>
>There are many people like you.  Clyde is one.  Your kind think only in
>terms of <this> life:  your daily routine, your work, your friends,
>etc.   You find lots of fun and meaning in the day.  You put meaning into
>your life.  You do for others, you find satisfaction in doing a job well,
>you delight in a good book or a funny movie.
>
>My kind (I might include Borkin) do all those same things.  And for the
>most part we are fairly happy.  We too put meaning into our lives, enjoy a
>good book, laugh with friends.  But it is a bigger thing that bothers
>us.  Your kind seldom if ever thinks about things like "why am I here and
>is there something I'm supposed to do while I'm here?  Is this all leading
>somewhere?".
>
>Life with a lower class "l" is quite enough.  You don't understand why
>anyway need bother thinking of Life with a capital L.   When forced by one
>of my kind to think about these things, your usual answer is:  "why even
>bother with that?  you can't know anyway."  which only indicates that it
>isn't important to you.  My kind stays troubled.
>
>
>bonnie

Not always. There are lots of ways to step out of that frame. Alcohol, Good
Works, and Perpetual Cynicism are three that come to mind.

clo

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At 10:15 PM 9/20/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
>I don't know about that but I do know that
>I was a very addicted smoker but I can't remember  being sick more than
>a few times in my life, either while I was smoking or after I quit.
>Not sick now, in my "old age", even
>with my past smoking history.  Don't even have colds.

You are indeed fortunate in that regard.  I don't remember if I was any
more/less sick when I was smoking.  I've had some sort of minor sinus
problem most of my life---smoking may have exacerbated it somewhat, I
suppose.  Two thoughts occur to me:

1.  Those smokers who do so in order to relieve stress may in fact be less
prone to diseases/discomforts caused by stress.

2.  Smokers, once they have quit coughing in the morning, perhaps feel that
nothing worse can happen to them, so they go to work.

cwv

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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 17:55:52 -0500, Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> wrote:

>Did you know?
>
>
> Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht
oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and
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sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm.  Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter
by it slef but the wrod as a wlohe and the biran fguiers it out aynawy.


This has been all over the net and is on the Urban Legend site, but no one can
locate the research. Another version claims it's Cambridge, by the way.

clo

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>I am going to try to make two connections instead of one. I enjoyed the
trip
>much more because I was able to get out and stretch my legs. Odd, no?

>clo

Some people like to route their flights so they can take cigarette breaks.

Otherwise, <adding> connections indeed seems odd to me.

AS, not a smoker

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At 09:22 AM 9/21/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 17:55:52 -0500, Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM>
>wrote:
>
> >Did you know?
> >
> >
> > Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht
>oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the
>frist and
>lsat ltteer are in the rghit pclae.  The rset can be a toatl mses and you can
>sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm.  Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter
>by it slef but the wrod as a wlohe and the biran fguiers it out aynawy.
>
>
>This has been all over the net and is on the Urban Legend site, but no one can
>locate the research. Another version claims it's Cambridge, by the way.

I certainly didn't invent it, but when I was young, and before my vision
problem was diagnosed and corrected, I largely trained myself to read by
word shape, rather than by scanning all of the letters.  I don't quite buy
the notion that only the first and last letters matter, however.

cwv

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= >
= >Which brings us to a more important subject:  What kind of vacuum
= >cleaner should I buy?  There's no rush in the matter.  I don't have time
= >
= >--
= > -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
=
= This is a question that deeply interests me. I have been disappointed by
=  every purchase I have made in 20 years in this department. The only vc
= that meets my standards is the Electrolux that was manufactured the year
= my husband was born, which we sadly can no longer get parts for. If you find
= something that really is effective - particularly with cat hair on carpets -
= please share!
= clo

We only have one carpet, but we have a new Miele vacuum cleaner
we are very happy with (and a new washer and dryer).

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Ann B.:

>But I got a ticket from the AA site for something like $317, and could
>have bought one from United's site at about the same price.  I didn't try
Orbitz.

If you're willing to fly out of San Jose and into Lauderdale, Southwest
often has better deals. If not, then forget it. What you wound up with is
pretty good.

You can only book Southwest through Southwest -- other travel purveyors do
not list them.

Orbitz and Expedia generally run at least $5 above the airlines prices, but
not always. It's good to check there first to see which routes are
discounted at the time, and then follow up and compare. What I often find is
that the airlines have additional flight times on discounted routes that do
not always show up on Orbitz/Expedia.

AS and JMW, very frequent travelers these days

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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>I have made the same observation vis a vis smokers and >non.
Non-smokers, especially females, seem to tend to >the hypochondriacal.
Also, I keep payroll records, so >am in a position to be able to compare.
>
>But the same phenomenon holds true with alcoholics. >Good employees who
happen to be alcoholic seldom miss >work due to sickness (or any other
reason).

Maybe it's guilt.

Bethany

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= = something that really is effective - particularly with cat hair on carpets -
= = please share!
= = clo
=
= We only have one carpet, but we have a new Miele vacuum cleaner
= we are very happy with (and a new washer and dryer).

I meant to say that it took care of what little cat hair was on
the carpet (for some reason, this carpet didn't collect much cat
hair).

The cat is, by the way, finally in England and settled in.  Just
in time to move to Wales.  So currently I am cat-free.

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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 09:30:09 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas
<dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> wrote:

>On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>
>>I have made the same observation vis a vis smokers and >non.
>Non-smokers, especially females, seem to tend to >the hypochondriacal.
>Also, I keep payroll records, so >am in a position to be able to compare.
>>
>>But the same phenomenon holds true with alcoholics. >Good employees who
>happen to be alcoholic seldom miss >work due to sickness (or any other
>reason).
>
>Maybe it's guilt.
>
>Bethany

Note the important difference between <missing work due to illness> and
<being ill>. I have finally succumbed to my cow-orkers' hatred of being
exposed to germs, and stay home when I am in the contagious stage, in spite
of having been raised to believe that perfect attendance is next to godliness


I think in the case of alcoholics, a good work record is most likely a stage
 or degree of alcoholism. One of the questions that identifies early
alcoholism is "do you miss work due to hangovers or drinking?".

On the other hand, people with long term severe alcoholism <can> learn to
manage it as a chronic illness, which is to say they plan their lives around
being drunk.

I knew a guy who bought a piece of land in a neighboring state to his home,
and carefully arranged vacations to coincide with 2-week blackout binges. He
was gracious to his wife when she left him, and went right on drinking.
Eventually he "took early retirement" from his job and moved into a trailer
on his land, in order to give full-time attention to his "hobby", which he
continued to manage carefully for years.

But his attendance at work once he decided to defiantly <be> an alcoholic
was exemplary - part of proving to himself that "he could handle it".
clo

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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>>
>>Maybe it's guilt.
>>
>>Bethany
>
>Note the important difference between <missing work due to illness> and
><being ill>. I have finally succumbed to my cow-orkers' hatred of being
>exposed to germs, and stay home when I am in the contagious stage, in spite
>of having been raised to believe that perfect attendance is next to godliness

Yes.

>But his attendance at work once he decided to defiantly <be> an alcoholic
>was exemplary - part of proving to himself that "he could handle it".

Good point. There are many ways to <be> an alcoholic. I have a ms.
floating around in this mess here called "How to Be An Alcobolic."

Bethany

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>Interesting way to describe (or disarm?) those who attempt to measure the
>length of the boards needed to reach the lip of the quagmire.
>
>*aside* -  I only stay on this list because it's the one place I can write a
>sentence like that and get a response from someone who could follow it.
><blissful sigh>                    --clo

How many angels can dance on the surface of an average length
quagmire-crossing board?


bonnie

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steph wrote:

> The cat is, by the way, finally in England and settled in.  Just
> in time to move to Wales.  So currently I am cat-free.

Did I miss the story of the cat's moving plans?  Why did the cat move to
England?  And can cats enter England without the lengthy rabies waiting
period?  Why is the cat about to move to Wales?  How did this
international cat come into your life?  And by what means did the cat
move -- as in transportation?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> steph wrote:
>
> > The cat is, by the way, finally in England and settled in.  Just
> > in time to move to Wales.  So currently I am cat-free.
>
> Did I miss the story of the cat's moving plans?  Why did the cat move
to
> England?  And can cats enter England without the lengthy rabies
waiting
> period?  Why is the cat about to move to Wales?  How did this
> international cat come into your life?  And by what means did the cat
> move -- as in transportation?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

She moved on the cat walk.
She is moving into a cat house.

            - D. M.

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> Should I feel left out at not having gotten such
> mail?  Or if I have
> gotten it, I haven't noticed it.

You would have noticed it.  There seems to be TONS of it.

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>Should I feel left out at not having gotten such mail?  Or if I have
>gotten it, I haven't noticed it.

Your ISP might be filtering it.  Mine filters all executable attachments
now, and I didn't get any copies of Sobig or this one.  Which does make me
feel left out, but hey.

Pete

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> >But the same phenomenon holds true with alcoholics.
> >Good employees who
> happen to be alcoholic seldom miss >work due to
> sickness (or any other
> reason).
>
> Maybe it's guilt.
>
> Bethany

I believe there is a strong element of guilt involved;
 and a degree of over-compensation, as in, "I'll prove
that I can party all night, and still get to work and
do a good job".  And there is also ever present
rationalization.


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> She moved on the cat walk.
> She is moving into a cat house.
>
>             - D. M.

She categorically refused to stay in the US.


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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> I almost didn't respond to this, since I remember having done it two
> or three times before ... Let me simply ask: after having the exact
> same exchange every year since 1955, about the exact same passage,
> with some person exactly like Bonnie, don't you get bored?

Exactly the same?  Not.  And, to be embarrassingly frank, no, I don't get
bored.

> Don't you
> want to take a thing to some higher level of abstraction, after seeing
> it three times?

No, not really.  I would like to take it to a lower level of abstraction,
really.  To minutiae.  This borders on what others here (probably you,
too) have been disgusted or annoyed by - Natalie and I saying we like to
imagine ourselves in other peoples' lives.  I like to imagine what it's
like to be Bonnie.

> will sit here in this dark room, miserable, as long as you are all
> happy". It would be a pretty basic error to mistake something this
> puny for, say, "may all beings be happy".

Yes.  So?  Who's mistaking it?  Sheeee-it.
>
> It occurs to me that Bonnie could do well to say it like that. She
> is in that condition anyway--selfish to the point of occasionally
> disbelieving in other beings, unable to sympathize, unable to
> participate in a community, and bored out of her mind. Why not
> cut through the rhetorical crap? Non-crap rhetoric isn't that
> easy. Once an admission is made, it becomes a lot easier to
> invent satisfying ways to feel superiorily sensitive. And they
> are enough to fill a man's heart! They too lead to the conclusion
> that all is well!
>
> Finally, I must ask--how does this remain interesting after innumerable
> visits to Buddhist day camp?

Buddhist day camp continues to teach me useful attitudes and useful
practices.  However, the more I learn the more I am tempted* to revisit my
own intellectual and religious traditions (my puny share of them).
*tempted but too lazy and not -that- interested, currently

I have stopped going to day camp sessions that are run by western
psychologists or people that come from a mental health, teaching, or hippy
backgrounds.  It's an honor to be with the monks, though, (even though I
suppose many of them may have started out as 70's druggies or marriage
counselors); and I will make an effort to attend a session by a particular
American who has studied Theravadan Buddhist and other religious
traditions as an academic.  However, the more I am with them the more I
see that they have a FAITH that I find, well, spooky.  That's the only
word I know to describe it ('faith' not 'spooky'),  although it is a
Christian word and I don't think they would cop to it.  Another way to say
it in my language is that they operate as if they are connected to
something eternal, timeless, well you get the idea which I will trivialize
with more words.

In fact I'm going to stop talking, it is just so awkward and I hate to
drag people I respect into my own stupid maunderings and analysis.

(um "people I respect" refers to the monks, not to you-u, stupid boy)

Ann

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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> (um "people I respect" refers to the monks, not to you-u, stupid boy)

I humbly take this back.  I respect Tushar.

I suck when I'm being defensive.

Ann

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> I suck when I'm being defensive.
>
> Ann

Don't we all?

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Peter Kaminski wrote:
> >Should I feel left out at not having gotten such mail?  Or if I have
> >gotten it, I haven't noticed it.
>
> Your ISP might be filtering it.  Mine filters all executable attachments
> now, and I didn't get any copies of Sobig or this one.  Which does make me
> feel left out, but hey.

I don't know.  I get incoming mail through various servers.  If they're
filtering anything, I'm not aware of it.  I got tons of copies of
Sobig.  Norton took care of them, though, zapping them or quarantining
them or whatever.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Too bad. It would have been interesting to know what kind of packages Orbitz
> had.

I went on just now and the prices were the same as at the airlines' sites.

But it was strange that when I put in my itinerary they gave me only
United flights (at first, anyway, I didn't spend a lot of time there).
Also, they offered me a United combo I would have taken if I had found it
myself on the United site.   After looking at United and American
yesterday, I had chosen an American package.

So, I guess next time, I'll consult Orbitz and the airlines sites.

Amy's idea of using San Jose and Ft. Lauderdale, and Southwest, may be
useful to me in the future.  Thanks!

> I am going to try to make two connections instead of one. I enjoyed the trip
> much more because I was able to get out and stretch my legs. Odd, no?

I agree with the 2-connections plan.  I like to visit strange airports.
There's always a local flavor, even if it's only the sets of travellers
and regional accents.

Ann

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At 09:28 AM 9/21/2003 -0700, Peter Kaminski wrote:

>Your ISP might be filtering it.  Mine filters all executable attachments
>now, and I didn't get any copies of Sobig or this one.  Which does make me
>feel left out, but hey.

Same here and we don't feel left out at all.

cwv

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In a message dated 9/21/2003 7:11:53 AM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

>I'm not sure that I understand.  When you click on that url (or type it
>in), one picture hops onto your screen?  If so, how could you see any of
>the others?
>
It shows that one only. I have to reload the url for any of the other ones.
Hopefully this makes sense.
Theo

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In a message dated 9/21/2003 7:17:08 AM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

>If you find
>> something that really is effective - particularly with cat hair on carpets
>-
>> please share!
-----
I've got this bagless GE with a built-in HEPA filter that seems to work very
well.I forgot how much I paid for it, because I mail-ordered it; it's about
the only way I get most everything these days of course.
Theo

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2,401,420

Then I crashed.  Probably a good thing.
I was beginning to think I was invincible.

Now I can shut down and get on
to something else.

            - D. M.

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--- Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> wrote:
> 2,401,420
>
> Then I crashed.  Probably a good thing.
> I was beginning to think I was invincible.
>
> Now I can shut down and get on
> to something else.
>
>             - D. M.

Gee, Doris.  You give free lessons in humility?
Whatever "something else" is, I'm going to avoid it.


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Because you will probably never do that well again, are you going to quit
now??

I am reminded of a scene I witnessed in the parking lot of the regatta site
during a fall rowing competition in Atlanta.  A little boy came running to
his mother's car saying:  "Mommy, Mommy, Daddy won!!!"    The mother's
response was:  "Good.  Maybe now he will quit."

As if.


>2,401,420
>
>Then I crashed.  Probably a good thing.
>I was beginning to think I was invincible.
>
>Now I can shut down and get on
>to something else.
>
>             - D. M.

bonnie

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Natalie Maynor:
= steph wrote:
=
= > The cat is, by the way, finally in England and settled in.  Just
= > in time to move to Wales.  So currently I am cat-free.
=
= Did I miss the story of the cat's moving plans?  Why did the cat move to
= England?  And can cats enter England without the lengthy rabies waiting
= period?  Why is the cat about to move to Wales?  How did this
= international cat come into your life?  And by what means did the cat
= move -- as in transportation?
=

Natalie, I'm a little worried about your memory.  I know we
talked about the whole UK pet passport thing last year when I
first got Murph.  And I've mentioned it other times.  But you do
have to pay attention to remember something, so maybe it's just
your attention that's been lacking.

Here's a nice picture of him, and the reason why most of the cat
hair was not on the carpet.
http://www.patnsteph.net/summer_03/murphy34.jpg

He belongs to an ex-colleague of mine.  This ex-colleague decided
rather hastily to get married and move back to the UK.  I
volunteered to take care of his cat while Murphy did the six month
rabies wait.  Then right as he was settling in he got sick, and
it turned out he had diabetes.  So for most of the past year, twice
a day we had to give him a shot of insulin.  And he was on
special diet cat food.

Anyway, the six months turned into a year, but finally everything
got arranged.  The cat flew to Heathrow, and was handled by a
special company that does these things.  He is in England now,
but the happy couple (or now a threesome, since they've got their
cat) is about to buy a house in Wales and move.  So I figure
he'll go by car for that move.

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02003-09-21 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> >
> > (um "people I respect" refers to the monks, not to you-u, stupid boy)
>
> I humbly take this back.  I respect Tushar.
>
> I suck when I'm being defensive.
>
> Ann

My sex-obsessed trap is working!

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Did any of you get hurt by the hurricane???


bonnie

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02003-09-20 | bonniev <bonniev@GWI.NET> writes:
> One of my favorite cartoons, displayed on the 'frig, is a Dilbert cartoon
> containing this dialog:
>
> "Is there more to life than working?"
> "Yes, there's also the complaining about work, the nightly periods of
> unconsciousness and sweet, sweet death."
> "Maybe I should have kids."
> "To share the joy?"

Does anyone feel that MOST strips nowadays have a dorky post-punchline
frame, just sitting there like a stupid? Why is that? The ones which
maintain a unity are unfortunately the lame ones like Cathy.

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In a message dated 9/21/2003 2:03:27 PM, stevie@MULTINIX.COM writes:

>Natalie, I'm a little worried about your memory.  I know we
>talked about the whole UK pet passport thing last year when I
>first got Murph.  And I've mentioned it other times.  But you do
>have to pay attention to remember something, so maybe it's just
>your attention that's been lacking.
>
It must have been before I joined the list because I don't remember it
either, and I DO pay attention.
Theo

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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 12:37:22 -0500, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
wrote:

>Which brings us to a more important subject:  What kind of vacuum
>cleaner should I buy?  There's no rush in the matter.  I don't have time
>to mess with vc-shopping right away.  But I started thinking while doing
>post-symposium vacuuming this morning that there are no doubt vacuum
>cleaners that suck more vigorously than mine.  What features, brands,
>etc. should I look for?

gaaaawd, not another shopping thread. Natalie, do you ever take a
break from shopping?

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bonniev:

>Did any of you get hurt by the hurricane???

I came through without much damage. It was a (loud and) scary night.
My biggest fear was losing power - many of the areas around here didn't
have electricity for over 24 hour. The sump pump ran until Saturday
evening - I'd have been in trouble if I'd lost power after the storm.
There's a lot of debris in the yard, nothing major.

Glad it's over.

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Theo Groothof wrote:

> >I'm not sure that I understand.  When you click on that url (or type it
> >in), one picture hops onto your screen?  If so, how could you see any of
> >the others?
> >
> It shows that one only. I have to reload the url for any of the other ones.
> Hopefully this makes sense.

Weird.  My colleague did manage to see the pictures -- something about
not being able to use Netscape when on AOL but going through Ra
instead.  I have no idea what she meant by that unless she meant she
called the MSU terminal-server.

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steph wrote:

> Anyway, the six months turned into a year, but finally everything
> got arranged.  The cat flew to Heathrow, and was handled by a
> special company that does these things.  He is in England now,
> but the happy couple (or now a threesome, since they've got their
> cat) is about to buy a house in Wales and move.  So I figure
> he'll go by car for that move.

Where in England are they living, and why are they moving to Wales?

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> gaaaawd, not another shopping thread. Natalie, do you ever take a
> break from shopping?

My guess is that I shop less than average.  I dislike most kinds of
shopping.  But there are times when it is necessary, or at least
strongly recommended.

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Natalie:

>My guess is that I shop less than average.  I dislike most kinds of
>shopping.

Your words-l posts paint a different picture. I see you as a serial
shopper planning a new purchase soon after one (purchase) is
endlessly debated on the list.

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There is simply no way all my earthly possessions will be packed and
ready for movers on Wed. morn. So - Plan B:

Make sure the movers take all the heavy stuff - all furniture that is
going (I am abandoning some, selling some, probably giving some away) and
most stuff that needs to go in heavy boxes, esp. wardrobe boxes.

I have the art-moving people lined up for Sat. with a pickup. I have until
9/30 to get everything out. I also have to get the Medeco lock moved - I
must arrange that tomorrow.

Now I am remembering how I got this done the last time I moved across
town. I had some rooms ready to go, and I packed stuff while the movers moved
stuff out of those rooms.

Yuck!

Bethany

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> >My guess is that I shop less than average.  I dislike most kinds of
> >shopping.
>
> Your words-l posts paint a different picture. I see you as a serial
> shopper planning a new purchase soon after one (purchase) is
> endlessly debated on the list.

I find this fascinating, given that many friends through the years have
found it odd that I don't consider shopping a <pleasurable activity>.  I
consider it one of life's minor chores, not one of life's joys.  Except
for house-shopping.  I do enjoy that.  I loved going to that real-estate
open house last weekend and have just been exchanging e-mail about that
house with the colleague I mentioned who is in Georgia, where her
husband lives.  The house is next door to her house, and she has been
trying to convince me to buy it -- talking about how wonderful the
neighborhood is, how everybody loves dogs, how one night she leaned down
and kissed her floor and said "I love you, house."

Meanwhile, I've just been looking at more house ads online.  There's one
that I really, really like -- at a very low price and a perfect size:

http://tinyurl.com/o5k1

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> 9/30 to get everything out. I also have to get the Medeco lock moved - I
> must arrange that tomorrow.

What's a Medeco lock?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>
> Buddhist day camp continues to teach me useful attitudes and useful
> practices.  However, the more I learn the more I am tempted* to
revisit my
> own intellectual and religious traditions (my puny share of them).
> *tempted but too lazy and not -that- interested, currently
>
> I have stopped going to day camp sessions that are run by western
> psychologists or people that come from a mental health, teaching, or
hippy
> backgrounds.  It's an honor to be with the monks, though, (even though
I
> suppose many of them may have started out as 70's druggies or marriage
> counselors); and I will make an effort to attend a session by a
particular
> American who has studied Theravadan Buddhist and other religious
> traditions as an academic.  However, the more I am with them the more
I
> see that they have a FAITH that I find, well, spooky.  That's the only
> word I know to describe it ('faith' not 'spooky'),  although it is a
> Christian word and I don't think they would cop to it.  Another way to
say
> it in my language is that they operate as if they are connected to
> something eternal, timeless, well you get the idea which I will
trivialize
> with more words.
>
> In fact I'm going to stop talking, it is just so awkward and I hate to
> drag people I respect into my own stupid maunderings and analysis.
>
> (um "people I respect" refers to the monks, not to you-u, stupid boy)
>
> Ann

This seems a good time to admit that I
subscribed for years to the journals of
Rajneesh . . . that was long before he
went to the western U. S. and started a
compound there and sorta went crazy.
Of all the various teachers I dipped into,
he told the best dirty jokes (with
spiritual insights).  I didn't learn from him,
though . . was entertained and challenged
a bit, but disappointed in the end.  That
was before I found things much better.

               - D. M.

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>What's a Medeco lock?

The best made, so far as I know. The keys cannot be duplicated at key
shops. See:

        http://www.medeco.com/

Bethany

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> > was before I found things much better.
>
> Examples are cried out for here.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

No.  I only talk about the steps/ teachers/teachings that are not
precious
to me.  Once put on my own path it becomes highly personal, and I don't
want it
intellectualized.  Does that make sense?
Probably not.  But thanks for your interest.

                  - D. M.

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Doris M:

>Yes.  I'm hoping he may be able to explain
>what was the big threat and why we needed
>to go into Kosovo . . and why we are still
>there.

Deadbird alert - I couldn't remember the guy's name
when I first saw this.

I can't remember the details but in essence Milosevic the
Serbian leader was an evil thug implicated in many
massacres/ethnic cleansings. Western intervention
got him out of power and prevented another bout of
ethnic cleansing. Milosevic was at least as evil as Saddam
with the big difference that the intervention took place
soon after the massacres unlike Saddam's case where
we were his friends for years after many of his atrocities
and continued to sell him chemicals etc.

I

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Doris Markland wrote:

> was before I found things much better.

Examples are cried out for here.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> When I went to Caltech, locksmithing and lock-picking were common
> extra-curricular activities.  Students carried master keys for many of the
> buildings on campus, and could pick other locks as needed, but for the labs

For years we opened the door to the English Dept's main office with
credit cards.  That was a long time ago, though -- back when it was on
the second floor.  It moved to the third floor well over twenty years
ago and now has a lock that can't be opened with a credit card.

> A friend and I once borrowed a Medeco lock from a non-sensitive door,
> disassembled it, and filed our own home-made keys for it, to prove to
> ourselves we could do it.  Moral of the story: make sure your door is as
> secure as your lock.

I figure that if anybody wants to break into my house, there are easier
ways than lock-picking -- things like breaking windows.  Or simply
turning the knob since I don't lock my doors regularly.

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> Meanwhile, I've just been looking at more house ads online.  There's one
> that I really, really like -- at a very low price and a perfect size:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/o5k1

That looks perfect for ME!

I am getting serious house-buying urges...I do wish Grampa's estate would
hurry up and close.

--Adam
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> Does anyone feel that MOST strips nowadays have a dorky post-punchline
> frame, just sitting there like a stupid? Why is that? The ones which
> maintain a unity are unfortunately the lame ones like Cathy.

You probably don't like Rhymes With Orange, either. How about Non Sequitur?

--Adam
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>Medeco locks are "unpickable" because the tumbler pins are not only lifted
>by the key, but rotated as well -- an action that's very difficult to
>replicate without the key.
...
>A friend and I once borrowed a Medeco lock from a non-sensitive door,
>disassembled it, and filed our own home-made keys for it, to prove to
>ourselves we could do it.  Moral of the story: make sure your door is as
>secure as your lock.

Or be aware that time is your best friend. I am certain that any door can
be entered by anyone with enough time. I think a Medeco lock works for
the same reason a car alarm does. If there are 20 cars in the parking lot,
the thief is going to pick on one without a little flashing red light.
The thief is also going to pick the lock of a door that will let him - or
her - in quickly.

Bethany

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> But
> many cars now seem to do this obnoxious horn-honking -- like even if the
> owner has just gotten out of the car -- it's not as if somebody is about
> to steal it -- but they honk for some reason.

They honk to indicate they're locked and any alarm system is armed. They
usually honk as you are pressing the lock button on the key fob.

My car used to honk, but I turned that off the first day I had it. It's rude
to my neighbors. I do wish its lights flashed instead, but no such luck.

Sigh. I want a new car.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> > Meanwhile, I've just been looking at more house ads online.  There's one
> > that I really, really like -- at a very low price and a perfect size:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/o5k1
>
> That looks perfect for ME!

Then you should move to Starkville forthwith.  But I might have already
bought it by then.  I should be able to sell this house for more than
even the asking price of that house, so I'd be living in a house of the
size I'd like with a profit.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Doris Markland wrote:

> No.  I only talk about the steps/ teachers/teachings that are not
> precious
> to me.  Once put on my own path it becomes highly personal, and I don't
> want it
> intellectualized.  Does that make sense?

Yes, it does.

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>What's a Medeco lock?

Medeco locks are "unpickable" because the tumbler pins are not only lifted
by the key, but rotated as well -- an action that's very difficult to
replicate without the key.

When I went to Caltech, locksmithing and lock-picking were common
extra-curricular activities.  Students carried master keys for many of the
buildings on campus, and could pick other locks as needed, but for the labs
with sensitive or very expensive equipment, the facilities folks used
Medeco locks, which effectively meant "Do Not Enter".  (As opposed to signs
saying "No Exit", which effectively meant "This Way To The Steam Tunnels"
or some such.)

A friend and I once borrowed a Medeco lock from a non-sensitive door,
disassembled it, and filed our own home-made keys for it, to prove to
ourselves we could do it.  Moral of the story: make sure your door is as
secure as your lock.

Pete

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> the same reason a car alarm does. If there are 20 cars in the parking lot,
> the thief is going to pick on one without a little flashing red light.

I once had a car with a little flashing red light, but it was on (and
for) the radio -- something that was supposed to tell thieves not to
steal the radio.  Do car alarms have flashing red lights?  Where do they
flash?  I hate car alarms.  Fortunately, the days of the shriekings
seems to have passed.  I rarely hear shrieking car alarms anymore.  But
many cars now seem to do this obnoxious horn-honking -- like even if the
owner has just gotten out of the car -- it's not as if somebody is about
to steal it -- but they honk for some reason.
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At 07:46 PM 9/21/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > Does anyone feel that MOST strips nowadays have a dorky post-punchline
> > frame, just sitting there like a stupid? Why is that? The ones which
> > maintain a unity are unfortunately the lame ones like Cathy.
>
>You probably don't like Rhymes With Orange, either. How about Non Sequitur?

Or Boondocks.

cwv

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>I am getting serious house-buying urges...I do wish Grampa's estate would
>hurry up and close.

Any estimate yet on when that will happen?  What is the major hangup?

cwv

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> My car used to honk, but I turned that off the first day I had it. It's rude
> to my neighbors. I do wish its lights flashed instead, but no such luck.

You are a kind neighbor.

> Sigh. I want a new car.

So that it would flash its lights instead of honking?  I've never had
either of the above and am happy without them.

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> Doris M:
>
> >Yes.  I'm hoping he may be able to explain
> >what was the big threat and why we needed
> >to go into Kosovo . . and why we are still
> >there.
>
> Deadbird alert - I couldn't remember the guy's name
> when I first saw this.
>
> I can't remember the details but in essence Milosevic the
> Serbian leader was an evil thug implicated in many
> massacres/ethnic cleansings. Western intervention
> got him out of power and prevented another bout of
> ethnic cleansing. Milosevic was at least as evil as Saddam
> with the big difference that the intervention took place
> soon after the massacres unlike Saddam's case where
> we were his friends for years after many of his atrocities
> and continued to sell him chemicals etc.

And wasn't NATO involved in our Kosovo thing?  As opposed to our new
Lone Ranger mode?

> I

Is that aye?

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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>steal the radio.  Do car alarms have flashing red lights?  Where do they

Of course. On the dash - also they have stickers on the windows. The
flashing red light says the alarm is ON.

I love car alarms. Properly used, owe almost never hears one.

Bethany

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> Any estimate yet on when that will happen?  What is the major hangup?

It's closer, but I still have no idea as to when it will be complete;
Melanie, whom we appointed Managing Trustee, now has the forms from Karen,
the executrix, to move the mutual funds into the trust. However, she's been
sick for the past month - oh, btw, she's pregnant - and hasn't done them yet
as of last week. Maybe she's done them this weekend; I don't know.

The major hangup thus far has been the executrix's lack of action. She seems
to be better now, and is actively working with the new accountant to sort
out the mess the first accountant made of the taxes.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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> Doris M:
>
> >Yes.  I'm hoping he may be able to explain
> >what was the big threat and why we needed
> >to go into Kosovo . . and why we are still
> >there.
>
> Deadbird alert - I couldn't remember the guy's name
> when I first saw this.
>
> I can't remember the details but in essence Milosevic the
> Serbian leader was an evil thug implicated in many
> massacres/ethnic cleansings. Western intervention
> got him out of power and prevented another bout of
> ethnic cleansing. Milosevic was at least as evil as Saddam
> with the big difference that the intervention took place
> soon after the massacres unlike Saddam's case where
> we were his friends for years after many of his atrocities
> and continued to sell him chemicals etc.

Thanks for the review, Rashmi.

           - D. M.

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Doris M:

>Yes.  I'm hoping he may be able to explain
>what was the big threat and why we needed
>to go into Kosovo . . and why we are still
>there.

Deadbird alert - I couldn't remember the guy's name
when I first saw this.

I can't remember the details but in essence Milosevic the
Serbian leader was an evil thug implicated in many
massacres/ethnic cleansings. Western intervention
got him out of power and prevented another bout of
ethnic cleansing. Milosevic was at least as evil as Saddam
with the big difference that the intervention took place
soon after the massacres unlike Saddam's case where
we were his friends for years after many of his atrocities
and continued to sell him chemicals etc.
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ooops I meant to add that there was never any "big threat"
to the us or the west in Kosovo and it was never billed
as such. It was never anything but a humanitarian mission.

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> > Sigh. I want a new car.
>
> So that it would flash its lights instead of honking?  I've never had
> either of the above and am happy without them.

No, I want a car that goes better and stops better. I like everything about
my car - the size, the handling, the ride - except for the fact it can't get
out of its own way and takes forever to stop. Getting on the highway in the
morning is sometimes a very harrowing experience.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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> >I am getting serious house-buying urges...I do wish Grampa's estate
would
> >hurry up and close.
>
> Any estimate yet on when that will happen?  What is the major hangup?
>
> cwv

The attorneys.  As always.  What else.
They have a vested interest.
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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> I love car alarms. Properly used, owe almost never hears one.

Why do you love them?  I have lived happily for lo these many years
without ever thinking I would want one.  Rashmi will love it if I decide
to go car-alarm shopping.  Not.  I do not want a car alarm.  I don't
like alarms.  I think I mentioned that the person I bought this house
from had some kind of weird paranoia or maybe genuine fear from threats
and had an elaborate house alarm in place that was still activated when
I moved in.  I yanked its guts out because I hated that blip-blip sound
that it made when I walked in the door, even though I did not have it
turned on.  It sounded like walking into a store.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> sick for the past month - oh, btw, she's pregnant - and hasn't done them yet

Neat!  And this reminds me that I need advice on non-alcoholic punch or
something to serve at a baby shower I'm going to host in October.  There
will be wine for those who want it, but I don't want it to be the
<featured beverage> since the honoree is presumably not drinking while
pregnant.  So I'm thinking of having some kind of punch in the punch
bowl.  The last time I had a baby shower was about eight years ago -- or
I guess that's right since the forthcoming baby I had it for is about
eight now.  I can't remember what I served.

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> I have the art-moving people lined up for Sat. with
> a pickup. I have until
> 9/30 to get everything out. I also have to get the
> Medeco lock moved - I
> must arrange that tomorrow.
> Bethany

How are you going to move the art IN on a Saturday?

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> No, I want a car that goes better and stops better. I like everything about
> my car - the size, the handling, the ride - except for the fact it can't get
> out of its own way and takes forever to stop. Getting on the highway in the
> morning is sometimes a very harrowing experience.

Taking forever to stop does sound scary.  My car has to huff and puff to
do things like climb hills, which is ok since I don't really climb hills
all that often.  I noticed it last summer when on interstates in
mountains.  At times I was chanting, "I think I can, I think I can."
One time I remember that was in the area that had the No-Haz (was that
it?) signs -- the ones I asked about here.  Wait -- it was No Haz Mats.
But my car quickly stops when my feet tell it to.

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>Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> > sick for the past month - oh, btw, she's pregnant - and hasn't done
> them yet

Is it Melanie or Karen that is pregnant???

>Neat!  And this reminds me that I need advice on non-alcoholic punch or
>something to serve at a baby shower I'm going to host in October.
>  -- Natalie

Sparkling cider.


bonnie

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Rashmi Murthy writes,

>Western intervention got him out of power and prevented another bout of
>ethnic cleansing.

Not Sounding Good:

<http://www.nationalreview.com/lowry/lowry082603.asp>

>General Wesley Clark is riding high on what is universally considered his
>prescience about the current Iraq war. Going unremarked is his utter lack
>of prescience about his own war, in Kosovo in 1999.
>
>Back then, Clark thought he had Slobodan Milosevic figured out, and that
>the mere threat of NATO bombing - and perhaps a day or two of the real
>thing - would bring him to the negotiating table and force him to be
>reasonable. When this turned out not to be the case, Clark had no Plan B,
>because President Clinton had ruled out ground troops from the outset.
>
>So, NATO continued with a limp air campaign that was inadequate to
>stopping Milosevic's ethnic-cleansing campaign, that appalled other
>members of the military brass who thought Clark had helped drag the U.S.
>into a near-fiasco, and that led to such ill-feeling toward Clark in the
>Pentagon that he was fired at war's end, launching his career as a TV pundit.

<snip>

>And so NATO stumbled on. "In short order," Andrew Bacevich writes in
>American Empire, "it became clear that Clark - though not he alone - had
>miscalculated. A defiant Milosevic did not fold. The first several days'
>bombing succeeded only in stoking the fires of Serb nationalism and
>providing Belgrade with the excuse to accelerate its ethnic cleansing of
>Kosovo."
>
>To Clark's credit, he pushed for a ground option, but for everyone else in
>Washington it was a nonstarter, because no one thought it worth the risk
>in a war in which the American national interest was so attenuated.
>
>Things turned out in the end, of course. But one million refugees later,
>and only because one of Gen. Clark's subordinates, Gen. Michael C. Short,
>did an end run around Clark to institute an increasingly aggressive
>bombing campaign against Belgrade. By the end, Bacevich writes, "Clark
>found his control over ongoing operations eroding. Rather than the theater
>commander, he became hardly more than a kibitzer."

Pete

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bonniev wrote:

> Sparkling cider.

That sounds good.  What is it?  Is there something pre-bottled called
"sparkling cider," or is it something I concoct?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> > Sparkling cider.
>
>That sounds good.  What is it?  Is there something pre-bottled called
>"sparkling cider," or is it something I concoct?
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

It's pre-bottled.  It comes at the grocery store in bottles that look
rather like champagne bottles.


bonnie

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> Is it Melanie or Karen that is pregnant???

Melanie.

--Adam
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> > Is it Melanie or Karen that is pregnant???
>
>Melanie.
>--Adam

Wow!  Cool.  Is she happy about it?  Hope so.


bonnie

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> Wow!  Cool.  Is she happy about it?  Hope so.

Yes, she is. She and Peter have wanted another child for a long time now.

--Adam
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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> I love car alarms. Properly used, owe almost never hears one.
>
>Why do you love them?  I have lived happily for lo these many years

Because they deter the theft. (Duh!)

Bethany

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bonniev wrote:

> It's pre-bottled.  It comes at the grocery store in bottles that look
> rather like champagne bottles.

Thank you!  I don't remember seeing it in grocery stores around here,
but maybe I just wasn't looking.  It sounds perfect.  I could look at
grocery stores elsewhere if I hadn't gotten my life into such a crammed
state.  This ARF vice-presidency is taking much more time than I had
anticipated.  I just found out that I've got to introduce the new
Provost at a meeting in early October and do various other stuff,
including having a budget worked out for the xmas banquet (the
invocation occasion) before the board meeting on Oct. 7.  And I'm
committed now to spending the weekend before that organizing books for
the Friends of the Library (public library) sale since I'm suddenly on
that board.  And there are OCHS (Humane Society) tasks and OCDP (local
Democratic Party) tasks and on and on.  And teaching.  I really do need
to quit teaching.  There isn't enough time for it.

I'm having this baby shower because I realized that nobody was planning
one.  And not having one would be really bad since this is the pregnant
wife of a colleague who is in his second year here.  I think it would be
mightily tacky for no English Dept shower to occur.  So I'm having one.
We decided tentatively for it to be Sunday afternoon, Oct. 26, but I'm
now thinking about moving it to the previous Sunday because some people
like that date better.  (The honorees said that any date was fine with
them.)  The baby is due in late November, but the father thinks it may
come early and is already worried about whether it might come while he's
at SAMLA.  Anyway, it's going to be a male-inclusive event, not a hen
party.  And probably there will be no games.  If somebody comes up with
a good game suggestion, we might do that, but mainly it's going to be
sitting around talking and then watching them open the presents.

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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Neat!  And this reminds me that I need advice on non-alcoholic punch or
>something to serve at a baby shower I'm going to host in October.  There

I hate punch usually (because I do not like sweet drinks, and most punches
are sweet). I really really like a glass of club soda with ice
and a choice of such items as lime slices, bitters, etc. for flavor.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >Why do you love them?  I have lived happily for lo these many years
>
> Because they deter the theft. (Duh!)

And you have had how many cars stolen in your pre-alarm years?  I guess
I'm just lucky.  I've had none stolen.  And I've owned cars since I
graduated from college and started working full-time in '65.
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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> I hate punch usually (because I do not like sweet drinks, and most punches
> are sweet). I really really like a glass of club soda with ice
> and a choice of such items as lime slices, bitters, etc. for flavor.

I always have that kind of stuff available.  It will be an option.  But
usually there's sort of featured beverage.  That's what I think should
be in the punch bowl.

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Daisy's our apartment alarm; if she even thinks that anyone is at
the door, she starts barking at it.

Evelyn Duncan
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I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>How are you going to move the art IN on a Saturday?

The art has been moved (yesterday and last Sat.). I requested and obtained
an exception for art. It's the furniture and endless boxes of books etc.
that are the problem on the weekends. No one wants to watch all that mover
in on a weekend - not to mention have the elevator tied up with it. We
used the 15-minute loading zone inside the secure parking area -right by
a door and right by the elevator once inside.

Bethany

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--- Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> wrote:
> Daisy's our apartment alarm; if she even thinks that
> anyone is at
> the door, she starts barking at it.


Does she behave well when folks come in the apartment?


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> The art has been moved (yesterday and last Sat.). I
> requested and obtained
> an exception for art.

Okay.  Just checking for illegal activity.

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In a message dated 9/21/2003 8:41:40 PM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
Does she behave well when folks come in the apartment?

>>

She knows the ones we let in, except for the maintenance
people.  When they come in, we shut her in Mom's bathroom.

Let's just say that she's enthusiastic.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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> She knows the ones we let in, except for the
> maintenance
> people.  When they come in, we shut her in Mom's
> bathroom.
>
> Let's just say that she's enthusiastic.

Same with Jaysie - to a fault.

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> <http://www.nationalreview.com/lowry/lowry082603.asp>

This is the kind of thing that is so frustrating about politics.  I have
some huge question marks about WC, had them even before reading what you
quoted.  (I didn't chase the url -- just read what you quoted from
it.)   But think about how much the typical US voter knows about
anything.  Polls are still showing that 70% of the US population think
that Saddam was responsible for 9/11.  Iow, the voting masses are
flat-out ignorant.  I don't think anybody could be worse than Dubya.  So
if the voters might take a liking to Wesley Clark, being of course
ignorant of any fine points, then I am for him.

I love what Dean's candidacy has done so far.  I think it woke up some
of the slumbering, mealy-mouthed Democrats who are basically
Republicans.  But if WC stands a better chance of beating the incumbent
idiot crook, then I'm for him.

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In a message dated 9/21/2003 8:49:39 PM Central Daylight Time,
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Same with Jaysie - to a fault.

>>

I went to Southern Agriculture (a store in which you can buy things
for animals from hamsters to horses) to get a longer leash for Daisy.
The LabRescue people were there with older Labs; I hope the Labs
all get good homes.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman

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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>And you have had how many cars stolen in your pre-alarm years?  I guess
>I'm just lucky.  I've had none stolen.  And I've owned cars since I
>graduated from college and started working full-time in '65.

It's not the car that usually gets stolen - it's the stereo system,
etc. And I had a car broken into immediately before I purchased my car
alarm. That prompted my purchase. Since then, I have had only one broken
into - and it was a borrowed vehicle with no alarm system.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> that are the problem on the weekends. No one wants to watch all that mover
> in on a weekend - not to mention have the elevator tied up with it. We

Why is there so much moving in and out there?  Or I assume there must be
quite a bit for people to make a big thing about it.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>> The art has been moved (yesterday and last Sat.). I
>> requested and obtained
>> an exception for art.
>
>Okay.  Just checking for illegal activity.

Remember: art is usually granted an exception.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> It's not the car that usually gets stolen - it's the stereo system,
> etc. And I had a car broken into immediately before I purchased my car
> alarm. That prompted my purchase. Since then, I have had only one broken
> into - and it was a borrowed vehicle with no alarm system.

I find this intriguing.  I guess I've just lived a <bless> life.  And
no, my cars have not always lived in this pleasant little town.  The
first car I owned lived in Melbourne, Florida -- just south of the Cape,
then I moved to Memphis, then here, then to Knoxville, then back here,
then a summer in Chicago, where I parked on the city streets (but had to
move the car at certain times because of sweepers).  Plus my cars have
lived for short periods in various places all over the country when I've
been traveling.  As I said, I must be <bless>.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> I went to Southern Agriculture (a store in which you
> can buy things
> for animals from hamsters to horses) to get a longer
> leash for Daisy.
> The LabRescue people were there with older Labs; I
> hope the Labs
> all get good homes.


Surely they will.  Labs are wonderful animals.  Let's
hope they all do as well as Daisy did.

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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Why is there so much moving in and out there?  Or I assume there must be
>quite a bit for people to make a big thing about it.

!!! Who told you that? They lied. There is very litte - which is the way
we like it. Ain't no big thing - we just don't interfere with weekends.
Most of us are working stiffs, and we like our weekends.

Bethany

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In a message dated 9/21/2003 7:03:54 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

>I do not want a car alarm.  I don't
>like alarms.

--I've never owned a house that didn't have a garage. Even though I don't
drive anymore this one does too. Guess I've always had so much junk that I need
one :-(
Theo

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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>lived for short periods in various places all over the country when I've
>been traveling.  As I said, I must be <bless>.

Or else people just don't covet your stufff. Most of what us taken is
taken to be resold - the night my Volvo was broken into, I was told that
they were almost certainly after the stereo speakers - I found out that
the rear speakers were worth a great deal. The thieves were apparently
interrupted. All I lost was the window they broke. I had an alarm
installed immediately.

Bethany

