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Subject: Re: Good wishes in my direction, please...
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             2002  4:43:27 pm"
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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > There's nothing to congratulate me about yet. I've been in this very
> > position close to a dozen times before and the company pulled out at
> > the last minute. That may happen this time, too.
>
> I don't understand what it is she's bringing over.  What kind of
> proposal?  I thought it was the work itself -- that you were to be
> involved in editing some kind of complicated proposal between now and
> February.

No. The proposal proposes that the agency will produce an installation
guide and a user guide for a Windows backup and recovery tool. The
work I would do is producing these two books for the agency.

Karen

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Subject: Re: ken has work!
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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > You make extroverts sound like they are lacking something. They
> > > > aren't. It's just that they choose a different process to gain
> > > > information than introverts do.
> > >
> > > Lacking something?  I don't see where you're getting that.
> >
> > That they need other people's opinions to help define themselves--that
> > they lack the wherewithal to do it themselves.
>
> You seem to assume that it's somehow <better> for one to do it alone.  I
> don't see involving people in your life as being a lack.

Involving people in your life isn't a lack; *needing* to involve
people implies a lack.

> > > And, as far as I can tell from what you and Janet have said on the
> > > subject, my understanding of the terms is the same as yours.
> >
> > I would not have guessed that.
>
> Then you would not have guessed correctly.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > The proposal will go out tomorrow morning.
>
> What does it propose

That I'll produce two books in six weeks.

> and to whom will it go tomorrow morning?

The company that's hiring the agency.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > You make extroverts sound like they are lacking something. They
> > > > aren't. It's just that they choose a different process to gain
> > > > information than introverts do.
> > >
> > > Lacking something?  I don't see where you're getting that.
> >
> > That they need other people's opinions to help define themselves--that
> > they lack the wherewithal to do it themselves.
>
> You seem to assume that it's somehow <better> for one to do it
> alone.

No. I'm assuming that if you *need* something else other than
yourself, you don't have the wherewithal yourself. I'm quite sure that
this is not a novel interpretation of that word.

Karen

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At 02:53 PM 12/17/2002 -0800, karen wrote:
>Natalie Maynor said:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> > > The proposal will go out tomorrow morning.
> >
> > What does it propose
>
>That I'll produce two books in six weeks.
>
> > and to whom will it go tomorrow morning?
>
>The company that's hiring the agency.

Good answers, and good luck.

cwv

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> > wondering about is what makes the stuff that goes throught the whole
in
> > the bottom of the toilet keep on going to its destination.
>
>     The new <stuff> pushes out the old <stuff>.
>
>     The Four Rules of Plumbing:
>     1. Water runs downhill.
>     2. The boss is a son-of-a-bitch.
>     3. Payday's Friday.
>     4. Never bite your nails.
>
> JMW

5.  Isn't there a rule about the plumber's
     butt always shows beneath his belt?

                      - D. M.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > You seem to assume that it's somehow <better> for one to do it alone.  I
> > don't see involving people in your life as being a lack.
>
> Involving people in your life isn't a lack; *needing* to involve
> people implies a lack.

I don't see that as a lack, but I can live with the fact that you do.  I
see needing people as being a healthy, appropriate thing.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > You seem to assume that it's somehow <better> for one to do it
> > alone.
>
> No. I'm assuming that if you *need* something else other than
> yourself, you don't have the wherewithal yourself. I'm quite sure that
> this is not a novel interpretation of that word.

So if you need food and water and shelter, you are lacking the
wherewithal to get along without them?  I guess so.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > > The proposal will go out tomorrow morning.
> >
> > What does it propose
>
> That I'll produce two books in six weeks.
>
> > and to whom will it go tomorrow morning?
>
> The company that's hiring the agency.

Obviously I asked these questions before you wrote the explanation of
what the proposal is.  It sounds like a very good thing, and I hope you
get the good news promptly.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Subject: Re:      Re: ken has work!
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> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > with Robin W.  Also . . did I tell you this? . .
> > on his way home he set the plane down for a while
> > in Newfoundland and there met and visited with
> > and had pictures taken with the Prime Minister
> > of Canada.  Just a chance thing of some kind,
> > I guess.
>
> Not only did you not tell us this, I don't think you even told us that
> he was home!
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Well, yes, he's home but has been in some special
training here and then has to go right back probably
after Xmas, if not before.  When he comes and goes
he sometimes sends me descriptions of what he
flew over and these are spectacular, since his plane
flies fairly low and he arranges to fly over things like
the pyramids, the Nile, the Alps, Kilamanjaro, etc. . .
whatever's around that might be interesting.

                         - D. M.

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > > You seem to assume that it's somehow <better> for one to do it alone.  I
> > > don't see involving people in your life as being a lack.
> >
> > Involving people in your life isn't a lack; *needing* to involve
> > people implies a lack.
>
> I don't see that as a lack, but I can live with the fact that you do.  I
> see needing people as being a healthy, appropriate thing.

Then introverts are unhealthy?????

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > > You seem to assume that it's somehow <better> for one to do it
> > > alone.
> >
> > No. I'm assuming that if you *need* something else other than
> > yourself, you don't have the wherewithal yourself. I'm quite sure that
> > this is not a novel interpretation of that word.
>
> So if you need food and water and shelter, you are lacking the
> wherewithal to get along without them?  I guess so.

Yes.

I don't, however, need a cat, though I seem to have acquired one.

Karen

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clyde w. voigtlander said:
> At 02:53 PM 12/17/2002 -0800, karen wrote:
> >Natalie Maynor said:
> > > Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > The proposal will go out tomorrow morning.
> > >
> > > What does it propose
> >
> >That I'll produce two books in six weeks.
> >
> > > and to whom will it go tomorrow morning?
> >
> >The company that's hiring the agency.
>
> Good answers, and good luck.

Thank you. I feel a bit better, because I just got e-mail from the
contract agent saying that she would be able to charge less overhead.
(Contract agents regularly add on 40-60%.)

Karen

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From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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>Natalie Maynor said:
>>  Karen Kay wrote:
>>  > > You seem to assume that it's somehow <better> for one to do it
>>  > > alone.
>>  >
>>  > No. I'm assuming that if you *need* something else other than
>>  > yourself, you don't have the wherewithal yourself. I'm quite sure that
>>  > this is not a novel interpretation of that word.
>>
>>  So if you need food and water and shelter, you are lacking the
>>  wherewithal to get along without them?  I guess so.
>
>Yes.
>
>I don't, however, need a cat, though I seem to have acquired one.

Want another?

Janet

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Alan, Wild family - the pb is even better than last year. I could get
addicted.

Thank you!

Bethany

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Doris Markland wrote:

> he sometimes sends me descriptions of what he
> flew over and these are spectacular, since his plane
> flies fairly low and he arranges to fly over things like
> the pyramids, the Nile, the Alps, Kilamanjaro, etc. . .
> whatever's around that might be interesting.

Smart navigator!

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > > Involving people in your life isn't a lack; *needing* to involve
> > > people implies a lack.
> >
> > I don't see that as a lack, but I can live with the fact that you do.  I
> > see needing people as being a healthy, appropriate thing.
>
> Then introverts are unhealthy?????

Good grief.  I've encountered thousands of logical fallacies in my life,
as all teachers do and as most non-teachers also do, but I don't
remember when I last saw one quite as absurd as this one.  To say that
extroverts are healthy is to say that introverts are unhealthy?  No, I
don't think so.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> Alan, Wild family - the pb is even better than last year. I could get
> addicted.

It really is super.  I don't like some pb -- it's just too glassy and
hard.  But Wildian pb is absolutely perfect.

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Janet Hardy said:
> >Natalie Maynor said:
> >>  Karen Kay wrote:
> >>  > > You seem to assume that it's somehow <better> for one to do it
> >>  > > alone.
> >>  >
> >>  > No. I'm assuming that if you *need* something else other than
> >>  > yourself, you don't have the wherewithal yourself. I'm quite sure that
> >>  > this is not a novel interpretation of that word.
> >>
> >>  So if you need food and water and shelter, you are lacking the
> >>  wherewithal to get along without them?  I guess so.
> >
> >Yes.
> >
> >I don't, however, need a cat, though I seem to have acquired one.
>
> Want another?

No. And do me a favor--don't just plop the cat's bowl and a container
of food on your neighbor's driveway, okay? They are apt to resent it.

I hope this job comes through so I can afford cat food.

Karen

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Janet Hardy wrote:

> >I don't, however, need a cat, though I seem to have acquired one.
>
> Want another?

I hate the local Humane Society e-mail list since it includes postings
about animals in need of homes.  I read one a little while ago that made
me almost ask Rita if she needed another Vinnie.  She's a dog about
seven or eight years old, mixed breed, medium size, who is named Vinnie
after Van Gogh since she has only half an ear.  (I think VG's ear was
totaled, wasn't it -- no half.)  She loves people and other animals.

Speaking of dogs, I want a Drexler(??) -- that doesn't look right.  It's
something like that.  Are you reading, Rita, or are you abed in snot and
agony?  I saw the picture and brief description in a dog book my RRSIL&N
brought to my mother yesterday.  It's a smallish hound from Sweden.  I
loved the way it looked.  But then I also want a bloodhound -- have for
years.  And I love black-and-tans.  And there are many, many shelter
dogs of no particular brand in need of homes.  And I don't need another
dog right now!

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > Involving people in your life isn't a lack; *needing* to involve
> > > > people implies a lack.
> > >
> > > I don't see that as a lack, but I can live with the fact that you do.  I
> > > see needing people as being a healthy, appropriate thing.
> >
> > Then introverts are unhealthy?????
>
> Good grief.  I've encountered thousands of logical fallacies in my life,
> as all teachers do and as most non-teachers also do, but I don't
> remember when I last saw one quite as absurd as this one.  To say that
> extroverts are healthy is to say that introverts are unhealthy?  No, I
> don't think so.

Good, that's a start.

Karen

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Doris Markland wrote:

> 5.  Isn't there a rule about the plumber's
>      butt always shows beneath his belt?

    Not since the invention of Crack Caulk.  [tm]

JMW

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor said:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > > Involving people in your life isn't a lack; *needing* to involve
> > > > > people implies a lack.
> > > >
> > > > I don't see that as a lack, but I can live with the fact that you do.  I
> > > > see needing people as being a healthy, appropriate thing.
> > >
> > > Then introverts are unhealthy?????
> >
> > Good grief.  I've encountered thousands of logical fallacies in my life,
> > as all teachers do and as most non-teachers also do, but I don't
> > remember when I last saw one quite as absurd as this one.  To say that
> > extroverts are healthy is to say that introverts are unhealthy?  No, I
> > don't think so.
>
> Good, that's a start.

A start toward your being more logical?  I hope so.

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Nobody has made a peep about last week's Survivor.  Does that mean it
was boring?  I'm glad that noboby has peeped since I have not yet gotten
around to watching the tape I set to be made while I was at the symphony
concert last Thursday night -- which was a great concert, btw.  The
whole orchestra was good, not just the locals who came home from faraway
places to star in it.  Anyway, I'm about to watch the Survivor tape
now.
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John Williams said:
> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > 5.  Isn't there a rule about the plumber's
> >      butt always shows beneath his belt?
>
>     Not since the invention of Crack Caulk.  [tm]

TMI!

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > Natalie Maynor said:
> > > Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > > > Involving people in your life isn't a lack; *needing* to involve
> > > > > > people implies a lack.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't see that as a lack, but I can live with the fact that you do.  I
> > > > > see needing people as being a healthy, appropriate thing.
> > > >
> > > > Then introverts are unhealthy?????
> > >
> > > Good grief.  I've encountered thousands of logical fallacies in my life,
> > > as all teachers do and as most non-teachers also do, but I don't
> > > remember when I last saw one quite as absurd as this one.  To say that
> > > extroverts are healthy is to say that introverts are unhealthy?  No, I
> > > don't think so.
> >
> > Good, that's a start.
>
> A start toward your being more logical?  I hope so.

Uh-huh.

Karen

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I was about to go start the Survivor tape but of course first went out
onto the decklet to smoke, and I noticed that the sky looked just like
it did one night the summer of '65 when Tony Nania and I were sitting on
a porch in Keene Valley, NY.  The weather in general is about the same
probably.  After cold nastiness today has been warm and wonderful.  It
feels like that night in Keene Valley.  Memories of that kind are
great.  I wonder where Tony is now.  He visited me once in Jackson after
that summer, but we then lost touch.  I still remember the night (not
the moon night -- another night) when he and I were in a sleeping bag
beside a fire on a mountain and another couple were running around the
fire naked, with the male half of the couple saying "I want to fooook
you."  I also remember eating raw steak, still another night, with Tony,
with his relatives who were having a fight with each other.  We drank
lots of gin and tonics.

But now I'm going to turn on the Survivor tape.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Tue, Dec 17, 2002 at 11:13:09AM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > This reminds me of long long ago in Ann Arbor when the radicalesbians
> > were writing stuff like parasitic women fuck off, on the sidewalks.
> > I took it as a message from god and enrolled in ed school to get my
> > teaching certificate.
>
> My choice of the metaphor had nothing to do with radicalesbians'
> sidewalk graffiti.

Your metaphor sucks.

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On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 05:19:29PM -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > > "Baby's got back."
> >
> > I think this is not grammatical. It should be "the baby has back".
>
> WRONG.  RIGHT:  "Baby gots back."

Sure.

I maintain that Bonnie putting and "'s" after "baby" is hilarious...

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On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 12:15:40PM -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
> Paul R. Barfoot said:
> > > My housemate's wife had her interview for her visa application today
> > > and was turned down.
>
> I hate crap like this. Why can't people in love just go where they need
> to be so they can be together.

People should not fall in love until they've got a permanent visa.
It only ends in tears.

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On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 08:30:21AM -0800, Janet Hardy wrote:
> Talking about "The $100 Misunderstanding" made me think I'd like to
> read it again as an adult and see what I think of it, so I went to
> Amazon to look at it. It's still in print, and apparently selling
> pretty well. But what gave me pause was:
>
> Customers who bought this book also bought:
>
>     * My Name Is Red by Orhan Pamuk, Erdag M. Goknar (Translator)
> (Paperback) [I had to look it up; it's a historical mystery that
> takes place in 16th-century Turkey]
>     * The Map That Changed the World: William Smith and the Birth of
> Modern Geology by Simon Winchester, Soun Vannithone (Paperback)
>     * The Explosive Child: A New Approach for Understanding and
> Parenting Easily Frustrated, Chronically Inflexible Children by Ross
> W., Ph.D. Greene, Ross W. Greene (Paperback)
>     * On Writing : A Memoir of the Craft by Stephen King (Paperback)
>     * Basket Case by Carl Hiaasen (Hardcover)
>
> OK, I can see the Hiaasen. But the others??

Did they buy clean underwear and pet socks?

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On Tue, Dec 17, 2002 at 08:26:39AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > Just when you think you're doing well and have
> > > > everything in place and maybe you're going to make
> > > > it, you look up and see burning tiles have appeared
> > > > out of nowhere, crept in around the edges, dropped
> > > > full speed and gathered friends along the way.
> > >
> > > Thanks, Doris. I appreciate the happy thought.:(
> >
> > Well, then, another view.  Just when  you're
> > surrounded and the heat is growing so intense
> > you're likely to panic, you don't.  You reverse
> > your thinking, make a bold plan, see through
> > the maze to a startling new combination that
> > uses every red letter and two sparkling gold
> > ones as well.
>
> Too late, I've already killed myself.

Now what am I going to do for five hours I set aside from
my busy day?

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On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I was about to go start the Survivor tape but of course first went out
>onto the decklet to smoke,

Oh of course!

Bethany

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>No. And do me a favor--don't just plop the cat's bowl and a container
>of food on your neighbor's driveway, okay? They are apt to resent it.

No. If he gets plopped anywhere it will be in front of Jay's apartment.

>I hope this job comes through so I can afford cat food.

Don't you have an SPCA there?

Janet

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Turns out there is a Lexographer 1st Class---at about 728K

cwv

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I got an over quota message just after receiving a number of large
attachments (which I sometimes read in webmail), so I went on a delete
rampage. But the quota stayed the same, way over quota. I finally figured
out that in webmail "delete" does nothing except move a file to a folder
named "delete." Only when you delete from delete does the file actually
disappear for quota purposes.

Yuck!

Bethany

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Graham Toal wrote:

> La Borkin wrote:
>         > What, btw, is a sewage-ejector pump?  Sounds nasty.  And what does your
>         > telephone have to do with electricity?

    They don't draw much but they do need juice to work.  Tony?

>         I think s-e pumps may also be known as sump pumps?  Ours pumps sewage up
>         into the public sewage pipes or channels or whatever.

    Nah, a sump pump just draws excess water from a quasi-holdingtank thingie from
places that have an plentitude of moisture.  (I live in a desert, what do I know?)  I
think an s-e pump may work for those who live downhill from the municipal cloaca.

> ... is anyone up to helping me prepare an April Fool's prank for next April?

    Count me in.

> G, stirring shit again.

    8-)

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
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> Turns out there is a Lexographer 1st Class---at about 728K

I'm pretty impressed!

alyce

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Weigels makes fantastic eggnog, so I got my mother some. I though she'd
like it and that the extra calories would do her good.

She loved it, but stopped drinking it when she read the label and decided
that it contains too much cholesterol! There's no relaxing the rules for
her ...

Can you imagine what Christmas was like when I wa a kid? Sheesh! If I live
to be 87, I'll drink what I want (I am reasonably confident that that will
not be beverage alcohol.)

Bethany

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I thought for sure it was going to be Clay.  For it to be Ted was a
shocker.
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Just remembered another great Tony memory.  He and I went rat-shooting
at the garbage dump in Lake Placid one cold July night.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> Your metaphor sucks.

Indeed.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> She loved it, but stopped drinking it when she read the label and decided
> that it contains too much cholesterol! There's no relaxing the rules for
> her ...

My mother was into nutrition until only a couple of years ago, but now I
don't think she thinks much about it.  They bring her nutritious shake
things to fatten her, and she drinks them if she's in the mood to, which
she isn't always.  I left her this afternoon drinking a strawberry
nutrition shake thing.  Or maybe that was this morning.  I went twice
today.  I went this morning to make sure her eye was getting better.
She had some kind of eye itchiness yesterday afternoon, but they called
her doctor, who came and looked at it last night, and then they called
me to tell me what he had done (cultures) and what he had prescribed
(I've forgotten).  She was asleep when I got there this morning and was
goofy upon waking.  This afternoon she was a bit more withit, though not
really great imho.  (But her eye looks fine now.)

But back to the point.  She doesn't seem as concerned about nutrition as
she did when she was 87, which is what you said your mother's age is.
Maybe 88 is the magic year for changing one's views.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>>We hate S'pam too! That is why BlueMountain.com follows and enforces
very strict No S'pam and Privacy Policies.<<

What's with BlueMountain.com?

Bethany

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> My friend, Laurie, swears by Yankee Candles.
>
> Sandra

They are nice, and they have an amazing variety of scents. The Green Grass
one was amazing.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> I was about to go start the Survivor tape but of course first went out
> onto the decklet to smoke, and I noticed that the sky looked just like
> it did one night the summer of '65 when Tony Nania and I were sitting
on
> a porch in Keene Valley, NY.  The weather in general is about the same
> probably.  After cold nastiness today has been warm and wonderful.  It
> feels like that night in Keene Valley.  Memories of that kind are
> great.  I wonder where Tony is now.  He visited me once in Jackson
after
> that summer, but we then lost touch.  I still remember the night (not
> the moon night -- another night) when he and I were in a sleeping bag
> beside a fire on a mountain and another couple were running around the
> fire naked, with the male half of the couple saying "I want to fooook
> you."  I also remember eating raw steak, still another night, with
Tony,
> with his relatives who were having a fight with each other.  We drank
> lots of gin and tonics.
>
> But now I'm going to turn on the Survivor tape.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Well, I guess this is about as racy as I can
bear to read.  Natalie, you surprise me.

            - D. M.

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> Turns out there is a Lexographer 1st Class---at about 728K
>
> cwv

Wait a minute.  Did you make that level??  Or just
hear about it?

                  - D. M.

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Tushar Samant said:
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2002 at 08:26:39AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > > Just when you think you're doing well and have
> > > > > everything in place and maybe you're going to make
> > > > > it, you look up and see burning tiles have appeared
> > > > > out of nowhere, crept in around the edges, dropped
> > > > > full speed and gathered friends along the way.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, Doris. I appreciate the happy thought.:(
> > >
> > > Well, then, another view.  Just when  you're
> > > surrounded and the heat is growing so intense
> > > you're likely to panic, you don't.  You reverse
> > > your thinking, make a bold plan, see through
> > > the maze to a startling new combination that
> > > uses every red letter and two sparkling gold
> > > ones as well.
> >
> > Too late, I've already killed myself.
>
> Now what am I going to do for five hours I set aside from
> my busy day?

Do you have any interest in Hemingway?

Karen

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Janet Hardy said:
> >No. And do me a favor--don't just plop the cat's bowl and a container
> >of food on your neighbor's driveway, okay? They are apt to resent it.
>
> No. If he gets plopped anywhere it will be in front of Jay's apartment.

Ah.

> >I hope this job comes through so I can afford cat food.
>
> Don't you have an SPCA there?

I imagine. Don't know nothing 'bout no cats.

Karen

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> Wait a minute.  Did you make that level??  Or just
> hear about it?
>
I am right now at 316,450, which is nothing special, I know. Except that
I have a very good feeling about this one because I just had almost a
whole vertical row of reds in the center and knocked them all off.
However, right now I have to watch Judging Amy, so I will work on The
Game tomorrow.

alyce

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At 08:48 PM 12/17/2002 -0600, d.m. wrote:
> > Turns out there is a Lexographer 1st Class---at about 728K
> >
> > cwv
>
>Wait a minute.  Did you make that level??  Or just
>hear about it?

I read it on my very own screen after bombing out at that level.

cwv

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Doris Markland said:
> Well, I guess this is about as racy as I can
> bear to read.  Natalie, you surprise me.

She has a Words-l Whore t-shirt...

Karen

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> >That I'll produce two books in six weeks.

Speaking of which, Karen, the author of MIF2GO is offering free copies for
unemployed tech writers. See http://www.omsys.com. (MIF2GO creates various
things from FrameMaker files; it's what I use to create ArtiosCAD's Help
file.)

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Believes in Satan
Does Not Believe in Satan
IS SATAN
Looks Like Satan


Sandra


>
> 4 Season's Of A Man's Life
>
>
> Believes In Santa
> Does Not Believe In Santa
> IS SANTA
> Looks Like Santa
>

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Natalie Maynor wrote:


> I hate the local Humane Society e-mail list since it includes postings
> about animals in need of homes.  I read one a little while ago that made
> me almost ask Rita if she needed another Vinnie.  She's a dog about
> seven or eight years old, mixed breed, medium size, who is named Vinnie
> after Van Gogh since she has only half an ear.  (I think VG's ear was
> totaled, wasn't it -- no half.)  She loves people and other animals.


        No, I definitely don't need another dog, even though I want a
puppy.


> Speaking of dogs, I want a Drexler(??) -- that doesn't look right.  It's
> something like that.  Are you reading, Rita, or are you abed in snot and
> agony?  I saw the picture and brief description in a dog book my RRSIL&N
> brought to my mother yesterday.  It's a smallish hound from Sweden.  I
> loved the way it looked.  But then I also want a bloodhound -- have for
> years.  And I love black-and-tans.  And there are many, many shelter
> dogs of no particular brand in need of homes.  And I don't need another
> dog right now!


        I am not awash in any kind of snot at all.  I have a cough,
aches, and high fever.  I'm currently debating whether I
will call in sick for tomorrow.  I hate calling in sick, and
part of me wants to gamble that the fever will break over
night since I slept all afternoon.  But I can't go into
school with a fever like I did this morning.  I had seven
kids absent my first hour, so I suspect that this particular
cootie is racing through the school.

        A Dresxler sounds familiar, but I can't think of what it
looks like at the moment.  I'm not a huge hound fan like you
are -- I like the sporting breeds.  Although someday I want
a little lap dog.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Has he read the Hitchhiker books?

Sandra
>
> >Has he read Lawrence Block? Try Josef Skvorecky :) He's
> wonderful. Check out
> >his mysteries.
>
> He's diverted off the detective track and is on a Vonnegut tear, but
> I'll keep them in mind for later. Thanks.
>
> Janet
>

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> I just Daniel Day Lewis interviewed. I think a lot of actors are
> introverts.
>
> Karen
>

I saw him on Charlie Rose. I liked his quietness....I guess I've always
associated dynacism with putting forth a great deal of energy. But, he's
dynamic in his silence.

Sandra

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

>>My friend, Laurie, swears by Yankee Candles.
>>
>>Sandra
>>
>
> They are nice, and they have an amazing variety of scents. The Green Grass
> one was amazing.


        Anything flowery is nice.  I buy them all the time.  They
have the added bonus of not setting off Kevin's asthma,
which some brands tend to do.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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> >  > > I've picked up a lot of new books and authors
> >>  > that way -- my favorite place is A Clean Well Lighted Place on Van
> >>  > Ness Ave.
> >
> >There is a nice, multi-page ad for that place in the most recent
> New Yorker.
>
> It's a wonderful store -- it and Booksmith in the Haight are my two
> favorite SF bookstores. (I have to get back over to Booksmith to pick
> up one of those signed Clive Barkers tomorrow.)
>
> Janet

Oooohh, you're dissing Green Apple!

Sandra

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> At 08:48 PM 12/17/2002 -0600, d.m. wrote:
> > > Turns out there is a Lexographer 1st Class---at about 728K
> > >
> > > cwv
> >
> >Wait a minute.  Did you make that level??  Or just
> >hear about it?
>
> I read it on my very own screen after bombing out at that level.
>
> cwv

wow!

  - D. M.

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> > >Yes. I also have a new housemate starting the first of the year.
> >
> > Sounds kinky to me :) Enjoy.
> >
> > > > You may even have to rub Tushar's head and buy him a drink!
> > >
> > >I'll rub any body parts he wants, but he still has to pay for
> the drinks.
> > >
> > >Karen
>
> Which part sounds kinky? The housemate part isn't at all kinky,
> believe me. I'll talk more about this when it actually happens; it
> hasn't happened yet.
>
> Karen

Sounds like a great money move! You're starting the year off well!

Sandra

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>Has he read the Hitchhiker books?

Oh, yes. They're one of the Library Of Referents That Mom Doesn't
Get, along with vast quantities of Simpsons dialogue, They Might Be
Giants lyrics and scraps of Kids In The Hall improv.

Janet

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>  > >  > > I've picked up a lot of new books and authors
>>  >>  > that way -- my favorite place is A Clean Well Lighted Place on Van
>>  >>  > Ness Ave.
>>  >
>>  >There is a nice, multi-page ad for that place in the most recent
>>  New Yorker.
>>
>>  It's a wonderful store -- it and Booksmith in the Haight are my two
>>  favorite SF bookstores. (I have to get back over to Booksmith to pick
>  > up one of those signed Clive Barkers tomorrow.)
>
>Oooohh, you're dissing Green Apple!

Green Apple's nice, but it has a jumbled and chaotic quality that can
be a little jangling, especially when it's crowded. I like the other
two better.

Janet

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I gave it last night and told them it was because of Annegret's actions
up to and including those of Saturday.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

Spike had a little trip to the vet, and now
he can't chase the other puppies anymore.
--Spike

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In a message dated 12/17/2002 11:37:43 AM Central Standard Time,
karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
Daphene is sending over a proposal this afternoon. This will keep me
busy through mid-February, with the possibility of more beyond that.
So please direct all your good thought in this direction. TYVM.


>>

You got 'em!

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

Spike had a little trip to the vet, and now
he can't chase the other puppies anymore.
--Spike

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Adam Hartfield said:
> > >That I'll produce two books in six weeks.
>
> Speaking of which, Karen, the author of MIF2GO is offering free copies for
> unemployed tech writers. See http://www.omsys.com. (MIF2GO creates various
> things from FrameMaker files; it's what I use to create ArtiosCAD's Help
> file.)

Merci bien des fois.

Karen

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Evelyn Duncan said:
> I gave it last night and told them it was because of Annegret's actions
> up to and including those of Saturday.

YAY!

Karen

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In a message dated 12/17/2002 9:50:31 PM Central Standard Time,
karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
Evelyn Duncan said:
> I gave it last night and told them it was because of Annegret's actions
> up to and including those of Saturday.

YAY!


>>

Eydie, the Asset Protection manager, asked me why I'm quitting, and
both Mary and I told her that this situation with Annegret had been
going on for some time and that management (both the former store
manager and the Brand Central manager) had been told and that they
had done nothing but give Annegret permission to do whatever she
wanted.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

Spike had a little trip to the vet, and now
he can't chase the other puppies anymore.
--Spike

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> Eydie, the Asset Protection manager, asked me why I'm quitting, and
> both Mary and I told her that this situation with Annegret had been
> going on for some time and that management (both the former store
> manager and the Brand Central manager) had been told and that they
> had done nothing but give Annegret permission to do whatever she
> wanted.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
>


Good for you for drawing a line over which you are no longer willing to
cross.

In a dinner conversation last night, a newish friend told me about her years
being in HR for many companies and how she often was "forced" to have to
making hiring decisions based on race. An unpleasant discussion followed.

I'm glad you're standing up for yourself.

Sandra

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> >  > >  > > I've picked up a lot of new books and authors
> >>  >>  > that way -- my favorite place is A Clean Well Lighted
> Place on Van
> >>  >>  > Ness Ave.
> >>  >
> >>  >There is a nice, multi-page ad for that place in the most recent
> >>  New Yorker.
> >>
> >>  It's a wonderful store -- it and Booksmith in the Haight are my two
> >>  favorite SF bookstores. (I have to get back over to Booksmith to pick
> >  > up one of those signed Clive Barkers tomorrow.)
> >
> >Oooohh, you're dissing Green Apple!
>
> Green Apple's nice, but it has a jumbled and chaotic quality that can
> be a little jangling, especially when it's crowded. I like the other
> two better.
>
> Janet


They were better organized when they were in one space and not two separated
by only a few shops. It's a bit crazy-making, but I love the combo of new &
used.

Sandra

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In a message dated 12/17/2002 10:28:26 PM Central Standard Time,
Sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM writes:

<<
I'm glad you're standing up for yourself.


>>

I'm not only doing it for myself; I'm doing it for Mary and Daniel and
all the others who had to work with Annegret and were forced out of
the department.

Now Annegret can have her wish:  she can be the only salesperson
in the department.  And she's forging her chain, link by link.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

Spike had a little trip to the vet, and now
he can't chase the other puppies anymore.
--Spike

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S Hess said:
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> > I just Daniel Day Lewis interviewed. I think a lot of actors are
> > introverts.
> >
> > Karen
> >
>
> I saw him on Charlie Rose. I liked his quietness....I guess I've always
> associated dynacism with putting forth a great deal of energy. But, he's
> dynamic in his silence.

I think you mean dynamism.

I can't remember where I saw him, but it was painful--adynamism at its
worst. He looked ready to bolt at any minute.

Karen

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> My friend Cheryl's 1930s bungalow has beautiful rounded-off turquoise
> tile and fixtures in the bathroom. She's taken great pains through
> the years to find period-appropriate and matching soap dishes,
> toothbrush glasses, etc. (It also features one of the most unusual
> decorating accoutrements I've ever seen in a private home -- a huge
> perm machine that looks like the electrical lovechild of a willow
> tree and an octopus.) It all looks terrific.
>
> Janet

Seems like it ought to be featured in a magazine if it hasn't already.

Sandra

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>Our library puts an ad in the med school year book every year,
>"Congratulations class of 2003" etc. Last year I included the Einstein
>quote, "The important thing is not to stop questioning."
>
>I am now soliciting suggestions for this year's quote.
>
>Marie

"Aways wear sunscreen."

Ken Miller
Mary Schmich School of Advice

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> S Hess said:
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> > > I just Daniel Day Lewis interviewed. I think a lot of actors are
> > > introverts.
> > >
> > > Karen
> > >
> >
> > I saw him on Charlie Rose. I liked his quietness....I guess I've always
> > associated dynacism with putting forth a great deal of energy. But, he's
> > dynamic in his silence.
>
> I think you mean dynamism.

I'm sure I do. Thanks.

>
> I can't remember where I saw him, but it was painful--adynamism at its
> worst. He looked ready to bolt at any minute.
>
> Karen

Perhaps, but wasn't he highly watchable?

Sandra

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At 8:18 AM -0800 12/17/02, Doris Markland wrote:
>4 Season's Of A Man's Life
>
>
>Believes In Santa
>Does Not Believe In Santa
>IS SANTA
>Looks Like Santa

I seem to have arrived at stage 4 a little early.

Ken Miller
Department of Jellous Mobility

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>Nobody has made a peep about last week's Survivor.  Does that mean it
>was boring?  I'm glad that noboby has peeped since I have not yet gotten
>around to watching the tape I set to be made while I was at the symphony
>concert last Thursday night -- which was a great concert, btw.  The
>whole orchestra was good, not just the locals who came home from faraway
>places to star in it.  Anyway, I'm about to watch the Survivor tape
>now.
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

The last episode was, in its own way, kind of predictable.  About as
exciting as the time Frank was voted out on Survivor Africa.

Ken Miller
Lasting Correspondent
The Lostin Times

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S Hess said:
[Charset Windows-1252 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...]
> > S Hess said:
> > [Charset Windows-1252 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...]
> > > > I just Daniel Day Lewis interviewed. I think a lot of actors are
> > > > introverts.
> > > >
> > > > Karen
> > > >
> > >
> > > I saw him on Charlie Rose. I liked his quietness....I guess I've always
> > > associated dynacism with putting forth a great deal of energy. But, he's
> > > dynamic in his silence.
> >
> > I think you mean dynamism.
>
> I'm sure I do. Thanks.
>
> >
> > I can't remember where I saw him, but it was painful--adynamism at its
> > worst. He looked ready to bolt at any minute.
> >
> > Karen
>
> Perhaps, but wasn't he highly watchable?

No, it was painful.

Karen

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From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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>  > My friend Cheryl's 1930s bungalow has beautiful rounded-off turquoise
>>  tile and fixtures in the bathroom. She's taken great pains through
>>  the years to find period-appropriate and matching soap dishes,
>>  toothbrush glasses, etc. (It also features one of the most unusual
>>  decorating accoutrements I've ever seen in a private home -- a huge
>>  perm machine that looks like the electrical lovechild of a willow
>  > tree and an octopus.) It all looks terrific.
>
>Seems like it ought to be featured in a magazine if it hasn't already.

There's some *very* cool stuff in Cheryl's house; she's got weird but
good taste and the dough to indulge it. But since she took up
woodworking it's all covered with a quarter-inch of sawdust.

Janet

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13:49 15.12.2002 -0800 skrev Karen Kay:
>stevie said:
>> Um, wtf kind of education did you have?
>
>I read everything all the time. I was given extra reading assignments
>because I did all my regular work in school.
>
>> (I don't think my parents, who went to the wonderful chicago
>> public schools had any ancient greek either...)
>
>I didn't *study* Ancient Greek till college, but I read a lot of
>translated stuff early on. I worked my way through the fairy tale
>section of our library, which has helped me enormously later on. (I
>learned all about wearing kimono through that, for example.)

Mutatis mutandi I feel very close to this experience. I did, however, wish to learn Latin in 4th grade, so my mother bought me a Latin grammar. OTOH I never learned how to wear a kimono.

Espen

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On Tue, Dec 17, 2002 at 07:01:28PM -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
= On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 12:15:40PM -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
= > Paul R. Barfoot said:
= > > > My housemate's wife had her interview for her visa application today
= > > > and was turned down.
= >
= > I hate crap like this. Why can't people in love just go where they need
= > to be so they can be together.
=
= People should not fall in love until they've got a permanent visa.
= It only ends in tears.

This explains your bachelor status.

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Rita:
=         A Dresxler sounds familiar, but I can't think of what it
= looks like at the moment.  I'm not a huge hound fan like you
= are -- I like the sporting breeds.  Although someday I want
= a little lap dog.

My mom just got a Norwich Terrier.  I guess that's a little
bigger than a little lap dog.  My step-mom just got a cockapoo.

I think the parental units are in major children-out-the-nest
compensation mode.

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= >Looks Like Santa
=
= I seem to have arrived at stage 4 a little early.
=
= Ken Miller
= Department of Jellous Mobility

Did you go totally grey while I wasn't looking?

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16:25 15.12.2002 -0800 skrev Karen Kay:
>Adam Hartfield said:
>> Well, jeeze, Karen, I didn't hear about them until college, and even then
>> only because I was a history major with a Classics minor! I think my intro
>> to Western civ history course started with the ancient Greeks and Romans but
>> certainly focused more on Plato and Aristotle than on the historians.
>
>What about cuneiform? Did none of you learn to read this your youths?

No, but I followed an introductory Russian course when I was 12.

Marianne (my daughter) learned some of the alphabetic (one sound alphabetic) Hieroglyphs when she was about 12.

Espen

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         A Dresxler sounds familiar, but I can't think of what it
> looks like at the moment.  I'm not a huge hound fan like you
> are -- I like the sporting breeds.  Although someday I want
> a little lap dog.

It's Drever.  I knew something didn't look right about Drexler.  Here's
a picture of a Drever:

http://hem.passagen.se/berry46/Fintik.gif

I hope you're feeling better today!

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> I gave it last night and told them it was because of Annegret's actions
> up to and including those of Saturday.

Sounds good!

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Bookrat wrote:

> The last episode was, in its own way, kind of predictable.  About as
> exciting as the time Frank was voted out on Survivor Africa.

I preferred the one week before last -- when the spouses or others
showed up to eat the nasty stuff and interact.  It was interesting
getting to know people's <loved ones> a bit.

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18:13 16.12.2002 +0100 skrev stevie:
>= > = > =
>= > = > = What about cuneiform? Did none of you learn to read this your youths?
>= > = > =
>= > = > = Karen
>= > = >
>= > = > No.  Then again, I went to Hebrew school.
>= > =
>= > = I went to Catholic school.
>= > =
>= > = Karen
>= >
>= > You do know that Hebrew school is a different kind of beast than
>= > Catholic school.  You're not just being weird, right?
>=
>= No. I don't understand why you were telling me that, but I know it's
>= different.
>=
>= Karen
>
>You learned cuneiform.  I learned Hebrew.

I learned runes ...

Espen

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10:45 16.12.2002 -0800 skrev Karen Kay:
>stevie said:
>> Everyone's education has holes in it.
>
>This, we are in perfect harmony on. Ommmmmmmmm....

Me three!

Espen

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17:18 16.12.2002 -0800 skrev Karen Kay:
>Rita Chapman said:
>> I'm trying to buy a bottle of Greek wine from a wine maker
>> who is a distant cousin.  I found a distributor who is in
>> the same city as my brother (it's a Christmas gift for him),
>> and I'm crossing my fingers he really has this wine ... it
>> is supposed to be some of the best in Greece.  Of course,
>> it's easy to get this stuff all over Europe and in Canada,
>> but not the US.  My brother is a wine snob, and he doesn't
>> know this cousin exists.  It'll be a fun gift if I can pull
>> it off.
>
>Cool!
>
>I think of you every time I eat Greek olives. Which is often.

Kalamata is not a fun city to drive around in but after a while we understood the parking system. The signs with Parking or No parking were just decorations. The main thing was not to stop so that garbage collectors couldn't collect (large) carbage containers and so on. But yes, Kalamata olives are very good. And so are Halkidiki olives!

Espen

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09:18 17.12.2002 -0800 skrev Karen Kay:
>So the contract agent I've been dealing with (Daphene) has found me
>another job. The last company freaked at the cost and decided to do it
>themselves. This company is a much better match for me personally, and
>we have already bonded. I like the stuff they do and the people in the
>company. (I'd take a full-time job there in a heartbeat.)
>
>Daphene is sending over a proposal this afternoon. This will keep me
>busy through mid-February, with the possibility of more beyond that.
>So please direct all your good thought in this direction. TYVM.

Fingers are crossed!

Espen

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10:36 17.12.2002 -0800 skrev Karen Kay:
>I am an extrovert: the first thing I do when I have a problem is phone
>someone up and ask them to help me think about it. Introverts work on
>it themselves first.

Aha. I have suspected this - I am an introvert.

Espen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:


> It's Drever.  I knew something didn't look right about Drexler.  Here's
> a picture of a Drever:
>
> http://hem.passagen.se/berry46/Fintik.gif


Oh, it looks like a cross between a corgi and a beagle.


> I hope you're feeling better today!


        Thanks.  I'm up for a little while because my back hurts from
too much sleeping.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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>
> Rubbing Tushar is not kinky to me. If you would like to get kinky with
> Tushar, feel free to enjoy.
>
> alec

What are you, his pimp?


BrP

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Espen Ore said:
> 13:49 15.12.2002 -0800 skrev Karen Kay:
> >stevie said:
> >> Um, wtf kind of education did you have?
> >
> >I read everything all the time. I was given extra reading assignments
> >because I did all my regular work in school.
> >
> >> (I don't think my parents, who went to the wonderful chicago
> >> public schools had any ancient greek either...)
> >
> >I didn't *study* Ancient Greek till college, but I read a lot of
> >translated stuff early on. I worked my way through the fairy tale
> >section of our library, which has helped me enormously later on. (I
> >learned all about wearing kimono through that, for example.)
>
> Mutatis mutandi I feel very close to this experience. I did, however, wish to learn Latin in 4th grade, so my mother bought me a Latin grammar. OTOH I never learned how to wear a kimono.

Thank you for making me feel normal, Espen.

Karen

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Espen Ore said:
> Kalamata is not a fun city to drive around in but after a while we understood the parking system. The signs with Parking or No parking were just decorations. The main thing was not to stop so that garbage collectors couldn't collect (large) carbage containers and so on. But yes, Kalamata olives are very good. And so are Halkidiki olives!

I don't know that I've ever had Halkidiki olives. Shall I send you my
address.:)

Thanks for the info on freezing shrooms. I bought a huge amount of
portobellos, but I've used them all up but one. So no freezing
experiment this time. (The one will go in an omelet.)

Karen

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Espen Ore said:
> 10:36 17.12.2002 -0800 skrev Karen Kay:
> >I am an extrovert: the first thing I do when I have a problem is phone
> >someone up and ask them to help me think about it. Introverts work on
> >it themselves first.
>
> Aha. I have suspected this - I am an introvert.

My friend Moureen told me a funny story last night. Some people change
as they get older--I have become more introverted than I ever thought
I could be, for example. And she told me about a friend of hers that
is having the same experience--so she called up all of her friends and
said "I've become an introvert!". It took her till the tenth call to
figure out what she was doing..

Karen

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>Espen Ore said:
>>  10:36 17.12.2002 -0800 skrev Karen Kay:
>>  >I am an extrovert: the first thing I do when I have a problem is phone
>>  >someone up and ask them to help me think about it. Introverts work on
>>  >it themselves first.
>>
>>  Aha. I have suspected this - I am an introvert.
>
>My friend Moureen told me a funny story last night. Some people change
>as they get older--I have become more introverted than I ever thought
>I could be, for example. And she told me about a friend of hers that
>is having the same experience--so she called up all of her friends and
>said "I've become an introvert!". It took her till the tenth call to
>figure out what she was doing..

<g>

I've certainly become less sociable as I've aged, but I'm still an
extrovert -- I don't think *anything* through without talking to
people about it, if I possibly can.

Janet

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Wore my multicolored sox this morning, and when I went into the post
office, the man behind me said, "Those are beautiful socks." This was a
man older than I. I then took off my shoes, right there in public, and
showed him the whole socks. Then other people looked too, and they all
marvelled.

alyce

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Janet Hardy said:
> I've certainly become less sociable as I've aged, but I'm still an
> extrovert -- I don't think *anything* through without talking to
> people about it, if I possibly can.

I think we balance out as we age, but leopards don't change their
spots.

Karen

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alyce cresap said:
> Wore my multicolored sox this morning, and when I went into the post
> office, the man behind me said, "Those are beautiful socks." This was a
> man older than I. I then took off my shoes, right there in public, and
> showed him the whole socks. Then other people looked too, and they all
> marvelled.

You are my role model, Alyce.:)

Karen

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Karen Kay said:
> alyce cresap said:
> > Wore my multicolored sox this morning, and when I went into the post
> > office, the man behind me said, "Those are beautiful socks." This was a
> > man older than I. I then took off my shoes, right there in public, and
> > showed him the whole socks. Then other people looked too, and they all
> > marvelled.
>
> You are my role model, Alyce.:)

P.S. Keep Germantown Weird!

Karen

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At 01:59 PM 12/18/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>Wore my multicolored sox this morning, and when I went into the post
>office, the man behind me said, "Those are beautiful socks." This was a
>man older than I. I then took off my shoes, right there in public, and
>showed him the whole socks. Then other people looked too, and they all
>marvelled.
>
>alyce

This made me smile.  I can see you doing this.

Betty

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On Tue, Dec 17, 2002 at 04:38:15PM -0500, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> Rubbing Tushar is not kinky to me.

Sure it isn't, you little monkey.

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On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 10:27:32AM +0100, stevie wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2002 at 07:01:28PM -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> = On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 12:15:40PM -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
> = > Paul R. Barfoot said:
> = > > > My housemate's wife had her interview for her visa application today
> = > > > and was turned down.
> = >
> = > I hate crap like this. Why can't people in love just go where they need
> = > to be so they can be together.
> =
> = People should not fall in love until they've got a permanent visa.
> = It only ends in tears.
>
> This explains your bachelor status.

Statuses explain statuses ... first rule of immigration ...

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>Wore my multicolored sox this morning, and when I went into the post
>office, the man behind me said, "Those are beautiful socks." This was a
>man older than I. I then took off my shoes, right there in public, and
>showed him the whole socks. Then other people looked too, and they all
>marvelled.      --alyce

Yeah!   I'm a hit in Germantown, New York.  And in Oxford, Ohio my
Christmas stocking is making the rounds as an example of good knitting.   I
shall take over the world, little town after little town.


    --bonniev

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Murgatroyd !

Did you watch Magpie as a kid ?

Roy

On Tuesday, December 17, 2002, at 10:48 , Graham Toal wrote:

> La Borkin wrote:
>> What, btw, is a sewage-ejector pump?  Sounds nasty.  And what does your
>> telephone have to do with electricity?
>
>         I think s-e pumps may also be known as sump pumps?  Ours pumps
> sewage up
>         into the public sewage pipes or channels or whatever.
>
> Which reminds me, on a smaller scale ...
>
> ... is anyone up to helping me prepare an April Fool's prank for next
> April?
>
> I came up with this 'invention' called the "Instinkerator" (for want of a
> better name, though that may have to change before public release for
> copyright reasons, and also so that no-one searching for it hits this
> page!)
> which is basically just a garbage disposal unit attached to the bottom of
> your toilet, which turns on when you flush.  I'm thinking about a web page
> advertising it and a press release timed for "second quarter 2003" (which
> when you think about it starts on April 1st...)
>
> It will purport to be a "low flow" device to save water, but the
> underlying
> message of the web site is that it will cure blocked drain problems for
> those of us who are intimately familiar with Murgatroyd the Megaturd (who
> I'm sure Judith remembers as an unwelcome visitor from Clambake...)
>
> Of course it would be touted as a new invention; we wouldn't admit to
> it being just a regular kitchen sink-style garbage disposal, but the
> website would have lovely (qv) glossy photos of the unit attached to
> a toilet which would make it obvious to anyone with a brain that is
> was literally just a kitchen sink unit.
>
> Which is where I need some help, because neither my plumbing skills nor
> my Photoshop compositor skills are sufficient to produce a decent photo
> of the Instinkerator in situ.
>
> And it needs to be done soonish to get the back story in place and have
> it listed in google etc so that come press release day, if anyone is
> sharp enough to bother checking it out on the web, they'll find plenty
> of evidence to back it up.  Just like our toilet really.
>
> G, stirring shit again.
>

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > http://hem.passagen.se/berry46/Fintik.gif
>
> Oh, it looks like a cross between a corgi and a beagle.

I hadn't thought of that, but you're right.  That's a good description.

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> Merci bien des fois.
>
> Karen

Okay, I know the first two words, but not the last two. "For this?"

At any rate, you're welcome. I hope you find it useful.

--Adam
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At 07:42 PM 12/18/2002 -0500, adam wrote:
> > Merci bien des fois.
> >
> > Karen
>
>Okay, I know the first two words, but not the last two. "For this?"

Either that, or she's making a reference to goose liver...

cwv

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> > > http://hem.passagen.se/berry46/Fintik.gif
> >
> > Oh, it looks like a cross between a corgi and a beagle.
>
> I hadn't thought of that, but you're right.  That's a good description.

His head looks too big for his body.

alyce

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Adam Hartfield said:
> > Merci bien des fois.
> >
> > Karen
>
> Okay, I know the first two words, but not the last two. "For this?"

"Thanks a million" or "many thanks". I forget what 'foi' is, an
instance maybe.

> At any rate, you're welcome. I hope you find it useful.

I've never used it, but can always use a new tool.

Still haven't heard about the contract. It's been submitted, looks
good to everyone involved, but needs to be signed off on by the
company. That should happen when I'm out running around tomorrow
morning.

Karen

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alyce cresap said:
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> > Rita Chapman wrote:
> >
> > > > http://hem.passagen.se/berry46/Fintik.gif
> > >
> > > Oh, it looks like a cross between a corgi and a beagle.
> >
> > I hadn't thought of that, but you're right.  That's a good description.
>
> His head looks too big for his body.

Like a beagle head on a Corgi body...

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Adam Hartfield said:
> > > Merci bien des fois.
> > >
> > > Karen
> >
> > Okay, I know the first two words, but not the last two. "For this?"
>
> "Thanks a million" or "many thanks". I forget what 'foi' is, an
> instance maybe.

Yes, an instance.  "Mille fois" is what I've heard most often with merci
-- as in thanks a thousand times.

--
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alyce cresap wrote:

> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>>Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>http://hem.passagen.se/berry46/Fintik.gif
>>>>
>>>Oh, it looks like a cross between a corgi and a beagle.
>>>
>>I hadn't thought of that, but you're right.  That's a good description.
>>
>
> His head looks too big for his body.
>


        Sort of a cross between Bernard and Spencer :).



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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alyce cresap wrote:

> His head looks too big for his body.

You should've seen Spencer when I first got him.  He was all head and
feet.  The vet said it was probably just the way he was shaped -- but
ha!  Fooled him.  His body spread out to match the head size
beautifully.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Sort of a cross between Bernard and Spencer :).

That has crossed my mind in fact.  I once knew a wonderful dog named
Simon who was a basset-dachshund mix.  He looked like a dachshund that
had been sort of pumped up like a tire.

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This week's Time has an interesting article on The Evil One.  I was
amazed to read that he lived the first ten years of his life in a house
without plumbing.
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Flour doesn't expire, does it?  I did stage one of cheese-bacon crispies
today, using flour that's over a year old, but I'm assuming that's ok.
Tomorrow I'll do stage two, which includes the cooking, and then I'll
freeze them and thaw them out on the 24th or 25th to take to give the
people working at the nursing home those days.  (I've discovered that
they taste better after being frozen than if never frozen.)

I'm going to do ham-cheese pinwheels for the party the 23rd.  Will do
them Sunday except for the slicing and will slice them just before party
time Monday and put them on the huge, ugly Wmart plastic platter I
bought today.
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Natalie Maynor said:
> This week's Time has an interesting article on The Evil One.  I was
> amazed to read that he lived the first ten years of his life in a house
> without plumbing.

But he's from Mississippi!

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
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> This week's Time has an interesting article on The Evil One.  I was
> amazed to read that he lived the first ten years of his life in a house
> without plumbing.

Because his dear father was but a poor shipbuilder.

alyce

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> Flour doesn't expire, does it?  I did stage one of cheese-bacon crispies
> today, using flour that's over a year old, but I'm assuming that's ok.

As long as your canister is airtight, it should be okay.

I made the lebkuchen last night with flour that's at least a year old.

Speaking of that, has anyone other than the original submitter ever made any
recipies from the Words-L cookbook?

--Adam
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Karen Kay wrote:
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> But he's from Mississippi!

And he likes Sonic's #2 cheeseburger with fried onions on the side.

Is it true that Biloxi is a small gambling town? That's what they called
it on ABC tonight. If it is small, why have I always heard of it? And
was there always gambling there?

alyce

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Flour doesn't expire, does it?

No, but it gets bugs.

Karen

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Something is amiss.  I've never even heard of the person this e-mail
was from, and I bet she and her cohorts screwed the archives:

> Archive, the primary university web server (www.msstate.edu,
> archive.msstate.edu, etc.) was upgraded this past weekend (December
> 14, 2002).  With this upgrade users should see dramatically enhanced
> performance of the server and will soon have available several new
> features (such as ColdFusion, PHP4, MySQL, etc.). These new features
....

I don't know nuthin bout ColdFusion, etc.  The Words-L archives are
more important.

   --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> You should've seen Spencer when I first got him.  He was all head and
> feet.

    John Sebastian once wrote a song about a hound where he described him
as "Forty pounds of feet and tongue."

JMW

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > This week's Time has an interesting article on The Evil One.  I was
> > amazed to read that he lived the first ten years of his life in a house
> > without plumbing.
>
> But he's from Mississippi!

Actually, I heard of somebody else of his generation (my generation)
saying something about having lived in a house without indoor plumbing
in early childhood.  I remember being startled by that and asking my
Daddy, who was born in Jackson in 1907, whether he had ever lived
without indoor plumbing.  He hadn't.  I guess it must have been a
city-vs-country thing.

Speaking of Mississippi, I was happy that the Time reporters who wrote
the article said something about its being unfair for Mississippi to
have Trent Lott's attitudes blamed on where he's from -- something about
how blacks and whites in Mississippi work, play, eat, and study together
much more than is the case in Northern cities.  I was glad to see that
the reporters in fact did their homework -- presumably made a visit and
observed for themselves -- rather than basing their ideas on myths and
movies.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Karen Kay wrote:

> No, but it gets bugs.

If there were bugs in this flour, they were white and fluffy, blending
in with it.  That would simply add a bit of protein.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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There was some kind of big upgrading of this machine Dec. 14, and I
see that the Words-L archives stop on that date.  I bet the idiots
doing the upgrading didn't realize its importance or know what they
were doing.  I will inquire of FWP as to what's going on.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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alyce cresap wrote:
> > This week's Time has an interesting article on The Evil One.  I was
> > amazed to read that he lived the first ten years of his life in a house
> > without plumbing.
>
> Because his dear father was but a poor shipbuilder.

No, this was before they moved to the coast.  He was a sharecropper in
north Mississippi before getting the job at the shipyard in Pascagoula.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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alyce cresap said:
> And he likes Sonic's #2 cheeseburger with fried onions on the side.

Good--he'll die young.

> Is it true that Biloxi is a small gambling town? That's what they called
> it on ABC tonight. If it is small, why have I always heard of it? And
> was there always gambling there?

I don't know.

The number of prison inmates who will be released this year is
the same number as the population of Austin. I heard this on TV and
found it odd.

Karen

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Is it true that Biloxi is a small gambling town? That's what they called
> it on ABC tonight.

I don't really know its population, although it would be easy to find.
It's certainly not a large city, though the towns on the coast all run
together, making for sort of a long chain of towniness.  If you added
all the towns together, the population would be fairly large.

>  If it is small, why have I always heard of it?

I don't know why you've always heard of it.  It's not famous for
anything in particular, afaik.  There's an airforce base there --
Keesler.  And lately it's made the news because of controversy over a
confederate flag as part of a flag display in a museum.  But that's
about it for fame.

> And
> was there always gambling there?

Not legally.  But yes.  The coast has always had gambling.  I played
slot machines there when I was barely tall enough to reach the levers.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Something is amiss.  I've never even heard of the person this e-mail
> was from, and I bet she and her cohorts screwed the archives:
>
> > Archive, the primary university web server (www.msstate.edu,
> > archive.msstate.edu, etc.) was upgraded this past weekend (December
> > 14, 2002).  With this upgrade users should see dramatically enhanced
> > performance of the server and will soon have available several new
> > features (such as ColdFusion, PHP4, MySQL, etc.). These new features
> ....
>
> I don't know nuthin bout ColdFusion, etc.  The Words-L archives are
> more important.

That's all web stuff. Why should it screw with the archives? And maybe
it's time to start using the UGA archives?

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> That's all web stuff. Why should it screw with the archives?

Because it's the same machine.  These ITS people I've never heard of
were messing with that server.

> And maybe
> it's time to start using the UGA archives?

I'll get the scoop from FWP.  Tomorrow is the last day before offices
close until Jan. 2.  I hope he's still around.

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50,644

from: http://www.biloxi.ms.us/census_data.html

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Today we got an email from Odyssey Books of San Jose, announcing they
were going out of business (1435 The Alameda, 408-293-7175). Not only
are they selling their books, also their shelves. Full liquidation, it
appears.

This is a good store, no?

alyce

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
 I guess it must have been a
> city-vs-country thing.

As I have said before, the first toilet was put in this house in 1939 in
the corner of the kitchen.

alyce

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>>This week's Time has an interesting article on The Evil One.  I was
>>amazed to read that he lived the first ten years of his life in a house
>>without plumbing.
>>
>
> Because his dear father was but a poor shipbuilder.


        My uncle was a shipbuilder in Pascagoula for awhile.  Now
he's in Delaware.



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Natalie Maynor wrote:
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> 50,644
>
That's fairly small, all right. I learned of Biloxi in grade school
geography class, I feel sure.

alyce

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>  I guess it must have been a
>
>>city-vs-country thing.
>>
>
> As I have said before, the first toilet was put in this house in 1939 in
> the corner of the kitchen.


        We looked at a house in Ohio that had no indoor plumbing in
1996.  The house we owned got it in the early 70's.




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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         My uncle was a shipbuilder in Pascagoula for awhile.  Now

Did he know Trent's Daddy?  He died a long time ago, I think.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        My uncle was a shipbuilder in Pascagoula for awhile.  Now
>>
>
> Did he know Trent's Daddy?  He died a long time ago, I think.


        Well, I dunno.  I'll have to ask him next time I see him.  He
lived there in the 70's, I believe.



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Mutant City wrote:

> There was some kind of big upgrading of this machine Dec. 14, and I
> see that the Words-L archives stop on that date.  I bet the idiots
> doing the upgrading didn't realize its importance or know what they
> were doing.  I will inquire of FWP as to what's going on.


        I noticed this the other day since I sometimes read the
archives on my lunch break at school.  I didn't worry about
it too much because I should be doing other things.  I'm
going to attempt to go to school tomorrow even though I'm
still running a fever -- I'm betting it'll break overnight.
  Ana has the cootie now, too, poor dear.  She missed her
school play tonight :(.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Well, I dunno.  I'll have to ask him next time I see him.  He
> lived there in the 70's, I believe.

I think it was in the '60s that Trent's daddy died.  The only reason I
know that (or rather think it) is that it was mentioned in the article I
read today.  I sort of read two articles.  I read the one in Time, and
then I glanced through one in Newsweek while visiting my mother.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> going to attempt to go to school tomorrow even though I'm
> still running a fever -- I'm betting it'll break overnight.

When do your holidays start?

>   Ana has the cootie now, too, poor dear.  She missed her
> school play tonight :(.

That's a major bummer.

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alyce cresap said:
> Today we got an email from Odyssey Books of San Jose, announcing they
> were going out of business (1435 The Alameda, 408-293-7175). Not only
> are they selling their books, also their shelves. Full liquidation, it
> appears.
>
> This is a good store, no?

I've never been there and never heard of it.

Karen

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Here's the page (screen) of the article I found interesting, with the
biographical stuff:

http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101021223/story3.html

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This is going to be a fun season.  I just remembered that we were
playing a basketball game in Jackson tonight, so I turned on the radio
when there was just about a minute of it left.  None of the starters
were still playing.  What was fun was that when the buzzer buzzed (or
got ready to buzz or whenever the last instant that counts is) one of
these walk-ons playing was bringing the ball up and was at mid-court.
He threw it and it went neatly through for 3 more points.  What a nice
ending.

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Three of Barbara Walters' 10 most interesting people are from Texas.

Like me.:)

Karen

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I wanna see!

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> Wore my multicolored sox this morning, and when I went into the post
> office, the man behind me said, "Those are beautiful socks." This was a
> man older than I. I then took off my shoes, right there in public, and
> showed him the whole socks. Then other people looked too, and they all
> marvelled.
>
> alyce

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I'm unsubbing this evening and won't be reading your posts (as if you care)
til Monday.

Heading to my brother's in Claremont, CA to play Santa and drop off my gifts
to his family. Spending the night there and then taking them to the airport.
Then I'll head down to an old friend's in La Jolla. I'm going with him to an
Xmas/Housewarming/Birthday party being thrown on Sat by his former
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I've just made dog biscuits (my first time) with this cute little dog bone
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Hope you all enjoy the next few days. I'll be busy when I get back; I'm
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homemade cinnamon rolls for my first time on Xmas morn.

Sandra

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Go to this web page to see the yarn knit up as
socks:  http://uncommonthreads-pa.com/Opal.htm

I think Alyce's socks are most like #114, down the page a bit in the Mexiko
Collection.


>I wanna see!     -- Big  Al
> > Wore my multicolored sox this morning, and when I went into the post
> > office, the man behind me said, "Those are beautiful socks." This was a
> > man older than I. I then took off my shoes, right there in public, and
> > showed him the whole socks. Then other people looked too, and they all
> > marvelled.     -- alyce

    --bonniev

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bonniev said:
> Go to this web page to see the yarn knit up as
> socks:  http://uncommonthreads-pa.com/Opal.htm
>
> I think Alyce's socks are most like #114, down the page a bit in the Mexiko
> Collection.

I'm planning to pack my BonnieSox(tm), so the natives of Dorr, MI,
will be suitably impressed.

Karen

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> Go to this web page to see the yarn knit up as
> socks:  http://uncommonthreads-pa.com/Opal.htm
>
> I think Alyce's socks are most like #114, down the page a bit in the
Mexiko
> Collection.
>
Woo-Woo.

    - D. M.

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In making space for my housemate, I found an old pedometer, and I put
it on. I will have track this more carefully, but it looks like I
walked a mile tonight, just running around making chocolate chip
cookies and cleaning his room.

Karen

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> Go to this web page to see the yarn knit up as
> socks:  http://uncommonthreads-pa.com/Opal.htm
>
> I think Alyce's socks are most like #114, down the page a bit in
> the Mexiko
> Collection.
>
>
> >I wanna see!     -- Big  Al
> > > Wore my multicolored sox this morning, and when I went into the post
> > > office, the man behind me said, "Those are beautiful socks."
> This was a
> > > man older than I. I then took off my shoes, right there in public, and
> > > showed him the whole socks. Then other people looked too, and they all
> > > marvelled.     -- alyce
>
>     --bonniev
>

Killer socks!!!

Sandra

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>
> In making space for my housemate, I found an old pedometer, and I put
> it on. I will have track this more carefully, but it looks like I
> walked a mile tonight, just running around making chocolate chip
> cookies and cleaning his room.
>
> Karen

How'd you find him? Word of mouth or an ad? How'd you screen people you were
considering?

Dammit...I can't sign off til I know you got the contract!!!! Tell 'em to
hurry up tomorrow morning. I'm leaving early but I want to unsub before I
leave.

Sandra

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>
> > The Great Brain books.  I read Encylopedia Brown.
>
> I *loved* Encyclopedia Brown. People used to call me that. *cough*
>
> --Adam
> adamh1@attbi.com

Oooooh.... you and me both!!! He was my favorite. I remember one story where
he solved the puzzle by looking at the upside down reflection of something
in a spoon.

Sandra

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>Flour doesn't expire, does it?  I did stage one of cheese-bacon crispies
>today, using flour that's over a year old, but I'm assuming that's ok.
>Tomorrow I'll do stage two, which includes the cooking, and then I'll
>freeze them and thaw them out on the 24th or 25th to take to give the
>people working at the nursing home those days.  (I've discovered that
>they taste better after being frozen than if never frozen.)

Care to share the recipe? I need a few finger-foody things for the
NYE gathering.

Thanks,
Janet

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>Today we got an email from Odyssey Books of San Jose, announcing they
>were going out of business (1435 The Alameda, 408-293-7175). Not only
>are they selling their books, also their shelves. Full liquidation, it
>appears.
>
>This is a good store, no?

I'm not familiar with it either, but San Jose's a bit out of my regular path.

Janet

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I just googled on pedometers, and they said ones that count steps are
best. Oh, well.

S Hess said:
> How'd you find him? Word of mouth or an ad? How'd you screen people you were
> considering?

I didn't. This guy basically fell from heaven. Nameless phoned me up a
couple weeks ago, and said that this guy works with him, and asked
Nameless if he wanted a roommate. Nameless didn't, but knew I was
possibly looking for someone. He phoned me, we had lunch, and we shook
hands on it. His wife and child are in Houston, and he's a
workaholic. I warned him that there is no phone line in that room and
that I don't have a bed or dresser for him, and he didn't care. And he
offered to pay exactly what I wanted to ask.

> Dammit...I can't sign off til I know you got the contract!!!! Tell 'em to
> hurry up tomorrow morning. I'm leaving early but I want to unsub before I
> leave.

Sorry, I have to take Nameless to the airport, and then I have an
errand to run, so I may not be back before you leave.

Karen

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>Today we got an email from Odyssey Books of San Jose, announcing they
>were going out of business (1435 The Alameda, 408-293-7175). Not only
>are they selling their books, also their shelves. Full liquidation, it
>appears.
>
>This is a good store, no?
>
>alyce

It's a very good store; alas, quite under-appreciated.  They've always had
very good stock -- good books in good condition.  It's been having
going-out-of-business sales for several months now, so they must be getting
down to the end.

I have to say that they will probably do a lot better as an internet book
store, because, from what I can see, the owner is not terribly socially
skilled, and it's difficult to operate a successful retail business when
the person at the cash register leaves his customers with the impression
that they are imposing on him when they come up to make a purchase.

I don't think you blame this domino on the chains.

Ken Miller
Literary Correspondent
The Lostin Times

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A five year old girl was told by a nine year old that there
is no tooth fairy. If you do find money it's your mother who
left it there. Please vote for the choice closest to your
take:

1 Good!
2 Whatever ...
3 Maybe slightly bad but not disastrous, move on
4 How AWFUL :( :( :(

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>A five year old girl was told by a nine year old that there
>is no tooth fairy. If you do find money it's your mother who
>left it there. Please vote for the choice closest to your
>take:
>
>1 Good!
>2 Whatever ...
>3 Maybe slightly bad but not disastrous, move on
>4 How AWFUL :( :( :(

I vote for 2. One of the worst shocks of my life at that age was
learning that Peter Pan on TV was a *girl*.

Hmm. I was about to add, "... and I got over it," but come to think
of it, maybe not.

Janet

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09:37 18.12.2002 -0800 skrev Karen Kay:
>Espen Ore said:
>> 13:49 15.12.2002 -0800 skrev Karen Kay:
>> >stevie said:
>> >> Um, wtf kind of education did you have?
>> >
>> >I read everything all the time. I was given extra reading assignments
>> >because I did all my regular work in school.
>> >
>> >> (I don't think my parents, who went to the wonderful chicago
>> >> public schools had any ancient greek either...)
>> >
>> >I didn't *study* Ancient Greek till college, but I read a lot of
>> >translated stuff early on. I worked my way through the fairy tale
>> >section of our library, which has helped me enormously later on. (I
>> >learned all about wearing kimono through that, for example.)
>>
>> Mutatis mutandi I feel very close to this experience. I did, however, wish to learn Latin in 4th grade, so my mother bought me a Latin grammar. OTOH I never learned how to wear a kimono.
>
>Thank you for making me feel normal, Espen.

And the same to you!

Espen

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09:40 18.12.2002 -0800 skrev Karen Kay:
>Espen Ore said:
>> Kalamata is not a fun city to drive around in but after a while we understood the parking system. The signs with Parking or No parking were just decorations. The main thing was not to stop so that garbage collectors couldn't collect (large) carbage containers and so on. But yes, Kalamata olives are very good. And so are Halkidiki olives!
>
>I don't know that I've ever had Halkidiki olives. Shall I send you my
>address.:)

Halkidiki olives har partly dried, so theu are wrinkled like prines - and full of taste. They have something similar in Turkey, and in Southern Greece (I boght my Halkidiki olives in Thessaloniki) they have something similar as well, but I don't remember the name/area.

Espen

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=
= Halkidiki olives har partly dried, so theu are wrinkled like prines - and full of taste. They have something similar in Turkey, and in Southern Greece (I boght my Halkidiki olives in Thessaloniki) they have something similar as well, but I don't remember the name/area.
=
= Espen

Are these black olives, cured in oil, little salt bombs?

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>going to attempt to go to school tomorrow even though I'm
>>still running a fever -- I'm betting it'll break overnight.
>>
>
> When do your holidays start?


        Tomorrow is our last day, then we're off for two weeks.  I'm
going to work today, but I may be little better than a sub
and just have most of my classes do silent reading.


>
>>  Ana has the cootie now, too, poor dear.  She missed her
>>school play tonight :(.
>>
>
> That's a major bummer.
>


        Yes.  She was going to be an angel.  Luckily, she'll be in
the church pageant, so she won't miss out entirely.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 02:30:40PM -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
= On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 10:27:32AM +0100, stevie wrote:
= > On Tue, Dec 17, 2002 at 07:01:28PM -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
= > = On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 12:15:40PM -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
= > = > Paul R. Barfoot said:
= > = > > > My housemate's wife had her interview for her visa application today
= > = > > > and was turned down.
= > = >
= > = > I hate crap like this. Why can't people in love just go where they need
= > = > to be so they can be together.
= > =
= > = People should not fall in love until they've got a permanent visa.
= > = It only ends in tears.
= >
= > This explains your bachelor status.
=
= Statuses explain statuses ... first rule of immigration ...

hunh?  either, why immigration specifically, or, I thought the
first law of immigration was, don't stand out, or, why haven't I
run into this before, said one immigrant to the other

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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 05:57:12 -0600
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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You're all making me miss good olives!  I'll have some this
summer when I go home.

At any rate, I managed to locate a distributor of Oenoforos
wines in Roslindale, which has a large Greek population and
is where my brother lives.  The nice gentleman gave me a
list of stores to which he'd recently made deliveries of
what I want, one of which is Blanchard's.  Well, the guy two
doors up from my parents owns the Blanchard's in Marshfield,
which is across the street from where my mom works, so she's
going to pick it up for me.

What my brother really needs this year is some time, sleep,
and a sense of humor with a 2-year-old and twins on the way,
but I figure this is a quirky enough gift that everybody
will get a kick out of it on Christmas Day.  I forwarded my
dad a couple of web pages about Oenoforos to print out,
including one that talks about a wine-tasting tour that
stops at the "Rouvalis estate."  He got a huge kick out of
that.
--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 01:27:50AM -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
= A five year old girl was told by a nine year old that there
= is no tooth fairy. If you do find money it's your mother who
= left it there. Please vote for the choice closest to your
= take:
=
= 1 Good!
= 2 Whatever ...
= 3 Maybe slightly bad but not disastrous, move on
= 4 How AWFUL :( :( :(

Why do you care?

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19:46 18.12.2002 -0500 skrev clyde w. voigtlander:
>At 07:42 PM 12/18/2002 -0500, adam wrote:
>>> Merci bien des fois.
>>>
>>> Karen
>>
>>Okay, I know the first two words, but not the last two. "For this?"
>
>Either that, or she's making a reference to goose liver...

At my meeting in Bremen last weekend we went to a fancy kind of restaurant on Saturday. I had some kind of clear broth (venission boullion or someting) with slices of goose liver which was extremely good. To bad that the wild duck which followed was rather dry ..

Actually I enjoyed the simpler restaurants/cafés/bierstuben more: ther we had local North Sea seafood and beer and local snaps.

Espen

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12:45 19.12.2002 +0100 skrev stevie:
>=
>= Halkidiki olives har partly dried, so theu are wrinkled like prines - and full of taste. They have something similar in Turkey, and in Southern Greece (I boght my Halkidiki olives in Thessaloniki) they have something similar as well, but I don't remember the name/area.
>=
>= Espen
>
>Are these black olives, cured in oil, little salt bombs?

Yes they are.

Espen

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Although the next time I put out garbage will be an even shorter day
than today, it will have a very happy <aspect> -- it will be longer than
the day before.  The sun will be heading back this way!
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Espen Ore said:
> Actually I enjoyed the simpler restaurants/cafés/bierstuben more:
> ther we had local North Sea seafood and beer and local snaps.

Peasant!

Karen

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Janet Hardy wrote:
>
> >Flour doesn't expire, does it?  I did stage one of cheese-bacon crispies
> >today, using flour that's over a year old, but I'm assuming that's ok.
> >Tomorrow I'll do stage two, which includes the cooking, and then I'll
> >freeze them and thaw them out on the 24th or 25th to take to give the
> >people working at the nursing home those days.  (I've discovered that
> >they taste better after being frozen than if never frozen.)
>
> Care to share the recipe? I need a few finger-foody things for the
> NYE gathering.

I even have it online, I think.  Actually, it's on Ra or Archive, but I
may also have it on this computer.  In any case, I will be happy to post
it.  Will find it and do so right after this note.  It has directions
for freezing either before or after baking (or neither of the above, of
course).  I see little point in the freezing before baking because then
you have to do the baking at the last minute.  I do the freezing after
baking, meaning that all you do is pull the bag out of the freezer a few
hours before you want to serve the things, and they're perfect.
(They're basically just cheese straws in the shape of wafers and with
bacon included.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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04:33 19.12.2002 -0800 skrev Karen Kay:
>Espen Ore said:
>> Actually I enjoyed the simpler restaurants/cafés/bierstuben more:
>> ther we had local North Sea seafood and beer and local snaps.
>
>Peasant!

' wegian peasant

Espen

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 (recipe cut out of _Southern Living_ many years ago)

 Cheese-Bacon Crispies

 1/2 cup butter, softened
 2 cups (8 oz.) shredded sharp Cheddar cheese
 1/4 tsp. salt
 1/4 tsp. dry mustard
 1 tsp. Worcestershire
 3 drops Tobasco
 1 1/4 cups all-purpose flour
 10 slices bacon, crumbled

 Combine first 6 ingredients in a large mixing bowl; mix well.  Stir in
 flour and bacon.  Shape dough into 2 rolls, 1 1/2" in diameter; wrap in
 waxed paper, and chill overnight.  Unwrap roll, and cut into 1/4"-thick
 slices.  Place slices on a lightly greased baking sheet; bake at 375
for
 8-10 minutes or until lightly browned.  Cool on wire rack.

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baking
 sheets, and bake at 375 for 10-12 minutes or until lightly browned.

 To freeze after baking, let wafers cool completely on wire rack.
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 Yield:  about 3 dozen (I usually double the recipe.)

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Here's another tried-and-true recipe.  I have no idea where it came from
originally.  It might have been a newspaper recipe.  I have it written
on an index card.  Anyway, it's quite popular with my party guests:

      Ham & Cheese Pinwheels

 1 cup Calif. Dip (made from Lipton's dry onion soup)
 1 pkg. (3-oz.) cream cheese, softened
 2 TBS chopped ripe olives
 6 slices cooked ham
 6 slices Swiss cheese

 In small bowl, blend Calif. dip with cream cheese & olives.
 Chill about 1 hour.  Spread mixture evenly on ham slices;
 top with cheese slices, then more dip mixture.  Roll up &
 wrap in waxed paper.  Chill at least 2 hours.  Cut each roll
 into 1/2" slices.
 (I normally double this recipe.  Doubling it makes it easier to
  deal with the Calif. dip, since 1 pkg of soup makes 2 cups of dip.)

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> A five year old girl was told by a nine year old that there
> is no tooth fairy. If you do find money it's your mother who
> left it there. Please vote for the choice closest to your
> take:
>
> 1 Good!
> 2 Whatever ...
> 3 Maybe slightly bad but not disastrous, move on
> 4 How AWFUL :( :( :(

1.  That is in fact the reaction I remember having when a neighbor told
me that Santa Claus was my parents.  I felt more <secure> knowing that
SC wasn't a stranger that was somehow expected to know I existed.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Tomorrow is our last day, then we're off for two weeks.  I'm
> going to work today, but I may be little better than a sub
> and just have most of my classes do silent reading.

The last couple of days before a long holiday are never likely to be
very productive ones.  Just slide calmly.

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Espen Ore said:
> 04:33 19.12.2002 -0800 skrev Karen Kay:
> >Espen Ore said:
> >> Actually I enjoyed the simpler restaurants/cafés/bierstuben more:
> >> ther we had local North Sea seafood and beer and local snaps.
> >
> >Peasant!
>
> ' wegian peasant

:)

Karen

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06:42 19.12.2002 -0600 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>Although the next time I put out garbage will be an even shorter day
>than today, it will have a very happy <aspect> -- it will be longer than
>the day before.  The sun will be heading back this way!

Huzza!

Espen

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Espen Ore said:
> Halkidiki olives har partly dried, so theu are wrinkled like prines - and full of taste. They have something similar in Turkey, and in Southern Greece (I boght my Halkidiki olives in Thessaloniki) they have something similar as well, but I don't remember the name/area.

Ah! Ligniere brought some of these over a few weeks ago. YUM!

Karen

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Rita Chapman said:
> You're all making me miss good olives!  I'll have some this
> summer when I go home.

Whole Foods has an excellent olive bar, if there's one near where you
live. I need to start writing down the names.

> What my brother really needs this year is some time, sleep,
> and a sense of humor with a 2-year-old and twins on the way,

If he doesn't have one, he'll acquire one.

> including one that talks about a wine-tasting tour that
> stops at the "Rouvalis estate."  He got a huge kick out of
> that.

LOL.

Karen

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Rita Chapman wrote:
> At any rate, I managed to locate a distributor of Oenoforos
> wines in Roslindale, which has a large Greek population and
> is where my brother lives.  The nice gentleman gave me a
> list of stores to which he'd recently made deliveries of
> what I want, one of which is Blanchard's.  Well, the guy two
> doors up from my parents owns the Blanchard's in Marshfield,
> which is across the street from where my mom works, so she's
> going to pick it up for me.

I love the smallworldishness of this story.

Speaking of brothers and xmas, did I mention that my RRB&SIL managed to
lose my xmas present?  It's so typical of them.  It's a gift card to
somewhere -- probably Lowe's since I mentioned that as a store I can get
to easily when we were talking about gift cards earlier.  But they lost
it.  My RRSIL says that it has to be somewhere in their house and that
surely they'll find it at some point.  But I bet they don't, and I bet
they forget to look for it.  I find it hilarious since it's so typical
of their lives.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Tushar Samant said:
> A five year old girl was told by a nine year old that there
> is no tooth fairy. If you do find money it's your mother who
> left it there. Please vote for the choice closest to your
> take:
>
> 1 Good!
> 2 Whatever ...
> 3 Maybe slightly bad but not disastrous, move on
> 4 How AWFUL :( :( :(

5 This is normal sibling behavior, and the ages are about right.

Karen

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On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 01:37:28PM +0100, Espen Ore wrote:
= 12:45 19.12.2002 +0100 skrev stevie:
= >=
= >= Halkidiki olives har partly dried, so theu are wrinkled like prines - and full of taste. They have something similar in Turkey, and in Southern Greece (I boght my Halkidiki olives in Thessaloniki) they have something similar as well, but I don't remember the name/area.
= >=
= >= Espen
= >
= >Are these black olives, cured in oil, little salt bombs?
=
= Yes they are.
=

Hmmm.  That's not what google says.  Halkidiki are supposed to be
very large.  the ones I was thinking of are really about 1 - 1.5
cm, not large olives, but definitely wrinkly.  We bake them into
pasta dishes and they swell up.  We get them these days from a
stand where they're not labeled.  Guess I'll have to ask on
Saturday what they're called.  Usuallly we just point and ask for
"those black olives".

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14:25 19.12.2002 +0100 skrev stevie:
>On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 01:37:28PM +0100, Espen Ore wrote:
>= 12:45 19.12.2002 +0100 skrev stevie:
>= >=
>= >= Halkidiki olives har partly dried, so theu are wrinkled like prines - and full of taste. They have something similar in Turkey, and in Southern Greece (I boght my Halkidiki olives in Thessaloniki) they have something similar as well, but I don't remember the name/area.
>= >=
>= >= Espen
>= >
>= >Are these black olives, cured in oil, little salt bombs?
>=
>= Yes they are.
>=
>
>Hmmm.  That's not what google says.  Halkidiki are supposed to be
>very large.  the ones I was thinking of are really about 1 - 1.5
>cm, not large olives, but definitely wrinkly.  We bake them into
>pasta dishes and they swell up.  We get them these days from a
>stand where they're not labeled.  Guess I'll have to ask on
>Saturday what they're called.  Usuallly we just point and ask for
>"those black olives".

Sorry, I didn't see the "little" in your former message. But they ar black and large yeas, similar in sice to largish kalamata olives but wrinkled.

Espen

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14:25 19.12.2002 +0100 skrev stevie:
>On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 01:37:28PM +0100, Espen Ore wrote:
>= 12:45 19.12.2002 +0100 skrev stevie:
>= >=
>= >= Halkidiki olives har partly dried, so theu are wrinkled like prines - and full of taste. They have something similar in Turkey, and in Southern Greece (I boght my Halkidiki olives in Thessaloniki) they have something similar as well, but I don't remember the name/area.
>= >=
>= >= Espen
>= >
>= >Are these black olives, cured in oil, little salt bombs?
>=
>= Yes they are.
>=
>
>Hmmm.  That's not what google says.  Halkidiki are supposed to be

PS: I see that if I should base my knowledge on Google I would also claim that Halkidiki olives are green olives. So they may be in some cases but you can also get the black half-dried Halkidiki olives.

Espen

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> A five year old girl was told by a nine year old that there
> is no tooth fairy. If you do find money it's your mother who
> left it there. Please vote for the choice closest to your
> take:
>
> 1 Good!
> 2 Whatever ...
> 3 Maybe slightly bad but not disastrous, move on
> 4 How AWFUL :( :( :(

3   And someone needs to have a talk with the 9 yr old.

My 8 yr old niece has not told her 6 yr old sister that there is no Santa
Claus. She told her mom she knows there isn't one but that she thinks her
sister should still believe. She's a good girl.

When I pointed out Coit Tower (in SF) when we went for a walk on
Thanksgiving and told her a 1 min. story about wealthy Lily Coit...she said
that she thinks all the big building are built by rich people so that they
can get remembered but asked "how do poor people get remembered?". I brought
up Ghandi...and a few others and we talked about getting remembered for
actions and not money. Then she told me how when she and her family lived in
England (Cambridge) and there was this big celebration (the Queen's 50th or
whatever)...she never thought it was a big deal...that the woman never *did*
anything to earn it. She's freakin' 8 yrs old, almost 9. My SIL is under the
impression she'll go off to work in the Peace Corps or such. I was very
impressed by my little niece.

Sandra

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At 01:27 AM 12/19/2002 -0600, tushar wrote:
>A five year old girl was told by a nine year old that there
>is no tooth fairy. If you do find money it's your mother who
>left it there. Please vote for the choice closest to your
>take:
>
>1 Good!
>2 Whatever ...
>3 Maybe slightly bad but not disastrous, move on
>4 How AWFUL :( :( :(

7.  It's a slap at Dubya's faith-based initiatives...

cwv

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Janet Hardy said:
> >A five year old girl was told by a nine year old that there
> >is no tooth fairy. If you do find money it's your mother who
> >left it there. Please vote for the choice closest to your
> >take:
> >
> >1 Good!
> >2 Whatever ...
> >3 Maybe slightly bad but not disastrous, move on
> >4 How AWFUL :( :( :(
>
> I vote for 2. One of the worst shocks of my life at that age was
> learning that Peter Pan on TV was a *girl*.
>
> Hmm. I was about to add, "... and I got over it," but come to think
> of it, maybe not.

I remember learning that and being delighted. But then, I'm the one
who saw nuns as women living alone and being devoted to their jobs...

Karen

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> Tushar Samant said:
> > A five year old girl was told by a nine year old that there
> > is no tooth fairy. If you do find money it's your mother who
> > left it there. Please vote for the choice closest to your
> > take:
> >
> > 1 Good!
> > 2 Whatever ...
> > 3 Maybe slightly bad but not disastrous, move on
> > 4 How AWFUL :( :( :(
>
> 5 This is normal sibling behavior, and the ages are about right.
>
> Karen

6  What's done is done.  Whatya gonna do about it? (3)

7  You can't punish the kid for telling the truth when you're
    the one who told the lie.

P. S.  In my next life I will not tell the tooth, easter, or
Xmas lies to my kids.

                             - D. M.

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> >A five year old girl was told by a nine year old that there
> >is no tooth fairy. If you do find money it's your mother who
> >left it there. Please vote for the choice closest to your
> >take:
> >
> >1 Good!
> >2 Whatever ...
> >3 Maybe slightly bad but not disastrous, move on
> >4 How AWFUL :( :( :(
>
> I vote for 2. One of the worst shocks of my life at that age was
> learning that Peter Pan on TV was a *girl*.
>
> Hmm. I was about to add, "... and I got over it," but come to think
> of it, maybe not.
>
> Janet

I'd choose 3 - but then, I pretty much choose 3 whenever anything unpleasant
happens.

>From the other side, I have painful memories of the tooth fairy <forgetting>.
Fortunately, I was able to sneak the money under the pillow as I was "helping my son
look", and persuade him that the tooth fairy had simply neglected to take the tooth
away.  *sigh*

I don't remember ever thinking that the tooth fairy or Santa were actual beings.  I
think I just accepted the story as a story.


BrP

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> left it there. Please vote for the choice closest to your
> take:
>
> 1 Good!
> 2 Whatever ...

I'm a 1.5 .

Ann

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Karen Kay wrote:

>  But then, I'm the one
> who saw nuns as women living alone and being devoted to their jobs...

I thought they were ghosts since they wore ghost costumes.

--
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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> I don't remember ever thinking that the tooth fairy or Santa were actual beings.  I
> think I just accepted the story as a story.

I don't either.  It's funny that I remember my reaction when Carolyn
Newman told me that SC was my parents, yet I don't remember having
thought before that about who he really was.  Somehow I don't think I
ever believed he really existed, though I hadn't bothered to give the
matter great thought.

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The c-b crispies are sliced and baked and cooled and now in bags in the
freezer.
--
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At 08:31 AM 12/19/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> > left it there. Please vote for the choice closest to your
> > take:
> >
> > 1 Good!
> > 2 Whatever ...
>
>I'm a 1.5 .
>
>Ann

It's stupid survey.

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At 10:46 AM 12/19/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>The c-b crispies are sliced and baked and cooled and now in bags in the
>freezer.

Yay.

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On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 09:02:29AM -0800, Betty Clark wrote:
= At 10:46 AM 12/19/2002 -0600, you wrote:
= >The c-b crispies are sliced and baked and cooled and now in bags in the
= >freezer.
=
= Yay.

Yay!

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every email at the University got spam this morning from a new local Turkish
restaurant.  Here's an excerpt:

-----------------

Whether you celebrate end of finals or holidays, come
and join us to taste variety of Turkish food. You can
take out or dine in.

At Sultan's, we buy live animals directly from upstate
NY farmers and each animal is hand slaughtered by our
own staff in a federally monitored and inspected
slaughterhouse. All animals are tested for any bacteria
or disease to ensure consumer safety.

The blood of the aminals thoroughly removed from the
bodies. This assures the consumer of getting completely
healthy meat processed in accordance with the highest
standarts of cleanliness, purity and healthiness.

Every food served at Sultan's is cooked by our experienced
cook by using fresh and health meat.
--------------------------------

BrP

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>Although the next time I put out garbage will be an even shorter day
>than today, it will have a very happy <aspect> -- it will be longer than
>the day before.  The sun will be heading back this way!

This is where Natalie and I clone -- counting the minutes till the
winter solstice, and dreading the summer one.

Janet

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Who was it here who liked reading Christmas letters -- Rashmi, maybe?

Anyway, this year I did mine as a PDF with color photos, so I can't
post it to the list... but if anyone's interested drop me a line &
I'll send a copy.

Janet

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Janet Hardy said:
> Who was it here who liked reading Christmas letters -- Rashmi, maybe?
>
> Anyway, this year I did mine as a PDF with color photos, so I can't
> post it to the list... but if anyone's interested drop me a line &
> I'll send a copy.

Me.

Karen

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On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 01:12:07PM -0500, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
= every email at the University got spam this morning from a new local Turkish
= restaurant.  Here's an excerpt:
=
= -----------------
=
= At Sultan's, we buy live animals directly from upstate
= NY farmers and each animal is hand slaughtered by our
= own staff in a federally monitored and inspected
= slaughterhouse. All animals are tested for any bacteria
= or disease to ensure consumer safety.
=

This beats two guys with a sheep on their balcony, which is what
sometimes happens here.

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At 10:54 AM 12/19/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>Who was it here who liked reading Christmas letters -- Rashmi, maybe?
>
>Anyway, this year I did mine as a PDF with color photos, so I can't
>post it to the list... but if anyone's interested drop me a line &
>I'll send a copy.

Yes, please, as long as it isn't a diary of your doctor visits.  :-)

Betty

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stevie wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 09:02:29AM -0800, Betty Clark wrote:
> = At 10:46 AM 12/19/2002 -0600, you wrote:
> = >The c-b crispies are sliced and baked and cooled and now in bags in the
> = >freezer.
> =
> = Yay.
>
> Yay!

Well, I'm not sure it's quite *that* exciting, but y'all have inspired
me to be sure to report when I finish the ham-cheese pinwheels.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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See inquiry at end.


>I have a question about this book:
>
>[122669]   Ho-t'ien, Ma. CHINESE AGENT IN MONGOLIA: A REPORT ON THE BIRTH
>OF THE MONGOLIAN PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC. Johns Hopkins: 1949, 215 pages. 1st
>Edition. Hardbound. Very good with a dust jacket in like condition. Travel
>diary from China through the Gobi Desert and Mongolia and the Buriat
>Republic of the former Soviet Union. Mongol society and politics during
>the mid-twentieth century. Translated by John De Francis.   $25
>
>
>Inquiry: May i know the present political issues of momgolian republic for
>my research work?
--
alyce

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Wonder how many new vegetarians there are today on the Syracuse campus.

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Janet Hardy wrote:
>
> Who was it here who liked reading Christmas letters -- Rashmi, maybe?

I usually do, depending on time and type.

> Anyway, this year I did mine as a PDF with color photos, so I can't
> post it to the list... but if anyone's interested drop me a line &
> I'll send a copy.

Me!

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On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 01:22:10PM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= Wonder how many new vegetarians there are today on the Syracuse campus.
=

I dunno, didn't bother me a bit, but I'm alread a vegetarian.

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Please do not be offended. I know I am taking a risk here, but I post
this site of Japanese goods because I find it interesting, and mean no
disrespect. I note that on the merchandise pages, you have to scroll way
down. It looks like they're black blanks, but they're not.

I especially like the Shining Elegance plate in Household Goods. Don't
believe it is shining elegance? But it _says_ it is!

http://www.engrish.com
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alyce

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alyce cresap said:
> >[122669]   Ho-t'ien, Ma. CHINESE AGENT IN MONGOLIA: A REPORT ON THE BIRTH
> >OF THE MONGOLIAN PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC. Johns Hopkins: 1949, 215 pages. 1st
> >Edition. Hardbound. Very good with a dust jacket in like condition. Travel
> >diary from China through the Gobi Desert and Mongolia and the Buriat
> >Republic of the former Soviet Union. Mongol society and politics during
> >the mid-twentieth century. Translated by John De Francis.   $25

This is, of course, a Mem moment, since John De Francis lived in
Honolulu for many years.

> >Inquiry: May i know the present political issues of momgolian republic for
> >my research work?

It's a great place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.

Karen

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Bookrat wrote:
> >
> I don't think you blame this domino on the chains.

OK. I don't know him. He's not on any of the booklists--I used to see
his ads in Antiquarian Bookman before it died, and they looked
impressive.

alyce

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One of my nieces has moved to Webster Groves. Fwiw.
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On 19 Dec 2002 at 11:23, Karen Kay wrote:

> This is, of course, a Mem moment, since John De Francis lived in
> Honolulu for many years.

He still does. From an item in the October 2002 newsletter of the
EA lang. and lit. dept.:

    Professor Emeritus John DeFrancis, though retired since 1976
and not
    teaching, has continued to be a very prolific scholar, putting
    together four books between 1977 and 1993, _Colonialism and
Language
    Policy in Vietnam_, _The Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy_,
    _Visible Speech: The Diverse Oneness of Writing Systems_, and a
    nostalgic account of his travels through the Gobi Desert in the
    1930s, _In the Footsteps of Genghis Khan_. After that book, he
    switched gears and jumped into dictionaries seeing that there
was a
    complete lack of romanized Chinese-English dictionaries with
entries
    arranged in strict alphabetical order. As a follow-up of his
1996
    72,000-entry _ABC Chinese-English Dictionary_, he started a
    190,000-entry project, _ABC Chinese-English Comprehensive
    Dictionary_, which is scheduled to be published by the UH Press
in
    2003. . . . [Several articles and book reviews omitted]
Happily, in
    the midst of all this scholarly activity, Professor DeFrancis
took
    time out in late August and celebrated his 91st birthday with
    friends and colleagues.

Apologies to those for whom this is TMI.


     mem

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Probably a few more after reading the spam.

BrP




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Michael E. Macmillan said:
> On 19 Dec 2002 at 11:23, Karen Kay wrote:
> > This is, of course, a Mem moment, since John De Francis lived in
> > Honolulu for many years.
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> He still does. From an item in the October 2002 newsletter of the
> EA lang. and lit. dept.:

Why did I never meet him? That's weird. I genuinely thought he had
moved or died.

Karen

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Will come back to West Wing full time. I think he's *great*.

Karen

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Tony Shaloub nominated for Golden Globe Award for best actor in a
series.
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alyce

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actor or the character ?  I don't recognize the name - and I do watch WW
sometimes.  I liked the character who was the secretary but they killed her off.

BrP




> Will come back to West Wing full time. I think he's *great*.
>
> Karen

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Per CNN: Tornado rips through MS WalMart. Fatalities reported. East of
Newton, which is east of Jackson.
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alyce

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>Will come back to West Wing full time. I think he's *great*.

I had to look him up -- the new speechwriter guy from Orange County,
right? Yeah, I'm looking forward to him.

Does it seem to you that Lily Tomlin is being underutilized?

Janet

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alyce cresap said:
> Tony Shaloub nominated for Golden Globe Award for best actor in a
> series.

Yahoo! Go, Tony!

Karen

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Paul R. Barfoot said:
> actor or the character ?  I don't recognize the name - and I do watch WW
> sometimes.  I liked the character who was the secretary but they killed her off.

Yes, me, too. Surely she chose to leave?! I do like Lily Tomlin,
though.

This is the speechwriter that's going to take over Rob Lowe's
job. He's not as good-looking as Rob Lowe, but he's very sweet, and
has a sense of humor that I (know you would) like.

Karen

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alyce cresap wrote:

> One of my nieces has moved to Webster Groves. Fwiw.
> --


        Ah ha!  Does she have children?




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>Paul R. Barfoot said:
>>  actor or the character ?  I don't recognize the name - and I do watch WW
>>  sometimes.  I liked the character who was the secretary but they
>>killed her off.
>
>Yes, me, too. Surely she chose to leave?! I do like Lily Tomlin,
>though.

I wondered if her "death" had anything to do with the actress's name
appearing in "A Heartbreaking Work of Startling Genius," but I can't
imagine how.

Janet

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Make that "Staggering Genius."

Janet

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a sense of humor that I (know you would) like.
>
> Karen

:-)

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Janet Hardy said:
> >Will come back to West Wing full time. I think he's *great*.
>
> I had to look him up -- the new speechwriter guy from Orange County,
> right? Yeah, I'm looking forward to him.

YES. It must be the geek appeal, but I want to lick his toes.

> Does it seem to you that Lily Tomlin is being underutilized?

Sigh. Yes. She interacts with everyone really well, but she and Martin
Sheen are awfully intense together--like when she was
telling-him-without-telling-him that she was preparing for his MS to
get worse during the campaign.

And then I wonder if it's just what happens to middle-aged actresses,
that they get underutilized.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Rita Chapman said:
>
>>You're all making me miss good olives!  I'll have some this
>>summer when I go home.
>>
>
> Whole Foods has an excellent olive bar, if there's one near where you
> live. I need to start writing down the names.


        There's one on my way home for work, but I've never stopped in.

>
>>What my brother really needs this year is some time, sleep,
>>and a sense of humor with a 2-year-old and twins on the way,
>>
>
> If he doesn't have one, he'll acquire one.


        I hope so.  My sister in law is sweet, but she won't put up
with his nonsense forever.


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Janet Hardy said:
> >Paul R. Barfoot said:
> >>  actor or the character ?  I don't recognize the name - and I do watch WW
> >>  sometimes.  I liked the character who was the secretary but they
> >>killed her off.
> >
> >Yes, me, too. Surely she chose to leave?! I do like Lily Tomlin,
> >though.
>
> I wondered if her "death" had anything to do with the actress's name
> appearing in "A Heartbreaking Work of Startling Genius," but I can't
> imagine how.

What is "AHWOSG"?

Karen

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> > I wondered if her "death" had anything to do with the actress's name
> > appearing in "A Heartbreaking Work of Startling Genius," but I can't
> > imagine how.
>
>What is "AHWOSG"?
>Karen

It's a book.  A modern day _Catcher in the Rye_.


    --bonniev

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Paul R. Barfoot said:
> a sense of humor that I (know you would) like.
> >
> > Karen
>
> :-)

But--I don't know that you would like to lick his toes. Maybe.

Karen

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         Ah ha!  Does she have children?

Four--1 month to ten years. They go to parochial school. She is the
family's Catholic convert.

alyce

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This arises from playing The Game too much.

There are all these -ice words--fice and bice and tice and almost
every consonant+ice. Are these related? I don't know what any of them
mean (and am too lazy to look them up).

Karen

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>Janet Hardy said:
>>  >Paul R. Barfoot said:
>>  >>  actor or the character ?  I don't recognize the name - and I do watch WW
>>  >>  sometimes.  I liked the character who was the secretary but they
>>  >>killed her off.
>>  >
>>  >Yes, me, too. Surely she chose to leave?! I do like Lily Tomlin,
>>  >though.
>>
>>  I wondered if her "death" had anything to do with the actress's name
>>  appearing in "A Heartbreaking Work of Startling Genius," but I can't
>>  imagine how.
>
>What is "AHWOSG"?

A wonderful book, highly recommended.

Janet

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> Paul R. Barfoot said:
> > a sense of humor that I (know you would) like.
> > >
> > > Karen
> >
> > :-)
>
> But--I don't know that you would like to lick his toes. Maybe.
>
> Karen

I have licked a toe or two in my time.  In this particular case, since I haven't figured
out who he is yet,  I reserve judgment.

BrP

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Rita Chapman said:
>         There's one on my way home for work, but I've never stopped in.

OH! You need a loaf of rosemary bread and some olives. Trust me.
There's lots of other stuff, but those are the must-haves.

> >>What my brother really needs this year is some time, sleep,
> >>and a sense of humor with a 2-year-old and twins on the way,
> >
> > If he doesn't have one, he'll acquire one.
>
>
>         I hope so.  My sister in law is sweet, but she won't put up
> with his nonsense forever.

Either he'll acquire a sense of humor or abandon his family.:-/ I do
think that there's nothing funnier than twins. I did most of the care
of my brothers when they were little.

Karen

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bonniev said:
> > > I wondered if her "death" had anything to do with the actress's name
> > > appearing in "A Heartbreaking Work of Startling Genius," but I can't
> > > imagine how.
> >
> >What is "AHWOSG"?
> >Karen
>
> It's a book.  A modern day _Catcher in the Rye_.

I'm sorry WTF does that *mean*????? There is no 'just like CITR but
not it'. It's not a *type*, fercryinoutloud.

To echo Tushar's sentiments.

Karen

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> Per CNN: Tornado rips through MS WalMart. Fatalities reported. East of
> Newton, which is east of Jackson.

I smelled tornado weather as soon as I walked outside this morning.  But
we haven't had any warnings yet today -- just the usual watches that I
know I'll see posted on wunderground if I've been outside and felt the
feel, as I did this morning.  I did hear on PRM while driving to visit
my mother this afternoon that there were warnings in three counties in
that vicinity (the Newton/Meridian vicinity).  Then on the way back I
stopped by a convenience store and the clerk told me about the Wmart
tornado in Newton.

--
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Paul R. Barfoot said:
> I have licked a toe or two in my time.

Doris will be scandalized!

> In this particular case, since I haven't figured
> out who he is yet,  I reserve judgment.

Smart move! Clean feet are the best...

Karen

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>bonniev said:
>>  > > I wondered if her "death" had anything to do with the actress's name
>>  > > appearing in "A Heartbreaking Work of Startling Genius," but I can't
>>  > > imagine how.
>>  >
>>  >What is "AHWOSG"?
>>  >Karen
>>
>>  It's a book.  A modern day _Catcher in the Rye_.
>
>I'm sorry WTF does that *mean*????? There is no 'just like CITR but
>not it'. It's not a *type*, fercryinoutloud.

It's a memoir. The author, Dave Eggers, took over caring for his
grade-school-aged brother here in the Bay Area after both of their
parents died within months of one another of cancer. It is a wild,
dark, funny, moving book, one of the best I've read in years.

I've been meaning to go buy another copy -- mine has disappeared into
the Miles Zone.

Janet

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Janet Hardy
>Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 4:46 PM
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>
>
>>bonniev said:
>>>  > > I wondered if her "death" had anything to do with the
>actress's name
>>>  > > appearing in "A Heartbreaking Work of Startling
>Genius," but I can't
>>>  > > imagine how.
>>>  >
>>>  >What is "AHWOSG"?
>>>  >Karen
>>>
>>>  It's a book.  A modern day _Catcher in the Rye_.
>>
>>I'm sorry WTF does that *mean*????? There is no 'just like CITR but
>>not it'. It's not a *type*, fercryinoutloud.
>
>It's a memoir. The author, Dave Eggers, took over caring for his
>grade-school-aged brother here in the Bay Area after both of their
>parents died within months of one another of cancer. It is a wild,
>dark, funny, moving book, one of the best I've read in years.
>
>I've been meaning to go buy another copy -- mine has disappeared into
>the Miles Zone.
>
>Janet
>

>From what I saw at Amazon and on the web, this book looks heavy and a bit
too much for me. Maybe some day.


alec

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Janet Hardy said:
> It's a memoir. The author, Dave Eggers, took over caring for his
> grade-school-aged brother here in the Bay Area after both of their
> parents died within months of one another of cancer. It is a wild,
> dark, funny, moving book, one of the best I've read in years.

This sounds vaguely familiar, like we talked about it before. I wonder
if it's an Audible book.

Dang, they only have an O. Henry Prize story by him.

APL has that, plus a later book, "You shall know our velocity".

Karen

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> > It's a book.  A modern day _Catcher in the Rye_.
>
>I'm sorry WTF does that *mean*????? There is no 'just like CITR but
>not it'. It's not a *type*, fercryinoutloud.
>
>To echo Tushar's sentiments.
>Karen

Of course it is a type.  _Catcher_ is the classic "coming of age"
novel.  One is written and gains popularity about once a decade.  I read
that somewhere.


    --bonniev

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> From what I saw at Amazon and on the web, this book looks heavy and a bit
>too much for me. Maybe some day.
>alec

When I bought my copy at the local (independent) bookstore, I was told that
the last person to buy it brought it back after two days saying there was
no way she wanted to read such a downer of a book.  I've barely gotten into
it.  But I will read it some day.


    --bonniev

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>Janet Hardy said:
>>  It's a memoir. The author, Dave Eggers, took over caring for his
>>  grade-school-aged brother here in the Bay Area after both of their
>>  parents died within months of one another of cancer. It is a wild,
>>  dark, funny, moving book, one of the best I've read in years.
>
>This sounds vaguely familiar, like we talked about it before.

Yes, we did.

Janet

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>From what I saw at Amazon and on the web, this book looks heavy and a bit
>too much for me. Maybe some day.

Yes. I couldn't have read it during the period when Miles was ill.
Better to wait until life is stable.

Janet

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>  > From what I saw at Amazon and on the web, this book looks heavy and a bit
>>too much for me. Maybe some day.
>>alec
>
>When I bought my copy at the local (independent) bookstore, I was told that
>the last person to buy it brought it back after two days saying there was
>no way she wanted to read such a downer of a book.  I've barely gotten into
>it.  But I will read it some day.

The first chapter is very much a downer. The rest isn't.

Janet

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bonniev said:
> Of course it is a type.

Only to people who think Monk is a neurotic Miss Marple.

> _Catcher_ is the classic "coming of age" novel.  One is written and
> gains popularity about once a decade.  I read that somewhere.

Then it must be true.

Do you not see the difference between saying that the Eggers book is a
coming of age novel and saying it's like CITR?

Karen

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Rita Chapman said:
>
>>        There's one on my way home for work, but I've never stopped in.
>>
>
> OH! You need a loaf of rosemary bread and some olives. Trust me.
> There's lots of other stuff, but those are the must-haves.


        I'll keep that in mind for when I get my appetite back :).


>>>>What my brother really needs this year is some time, sleep,
>>>>and a sense of humor with a 2-year-old and twins on the way,
>>>>
>>>If he doesn't have one, he'll acquire one.
>>>
>>
>>        I hope so.  My sister in law is sweet, but she won't put up
>>with his nonsense forever.
>>
>
> Either he'll acquire a sense of humor or abandon his family.:-/ I do
> think that there's nothing funnier than twins. I did most of the care
> of my brothers when they were little.


        I don't think even he dares do the latter.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 01:14:33PM +0100, stevie wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 01:27:50AM -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> = A five year old girl was told by a nine year old that there
> = is no tooth fairy. If you do find money it's your mother who
> = left it there. Please vote for the choice closest to your
> = take:
> =
> = 1 Good!
> = 2 Whatever ...
> = 3 Maybe slightly bad but not disastrous, move on
> = 4 How AWFUL :( :( :(
>
> Why do you care?

To be completely frank and forthright, I absent-mindedly let
on that I was somewhere between 1 & 2, and was jumped on and
practically b*tch*d **t by the #4 contingent, leading me to
be mildly PISSED.

It never occurred to me that a five year old would actually
believe, I mean *actually believe* any B.S. of that type.
You are a kid, you "believe", it's a bit of fun, the end.

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On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 04:52:45AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> Tushar Samant said:
> > A five year old girl was told by a nine year old that there
> > is no tooth fairy. If you do find money it's your mother who
> > left it there. Please vote for the choice closest to your
> > take:
> >
> > 1 Good!
> > 2 Whatever ...
> > 3 Maybe slightly bad but not disastrous, move on
> > 4 How AWFUL :( :( :(
>
> 5 This is normal sibling behavior, and the ages are about right.

Thanks for the update. I did not ask for it, I asked for a
value judgement.

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Rita Chapman said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > Rita Chapman said:
> >
> >>        There's one on my way home for work, but I've never stopped in.
> >>
> >
> > OH! You need a loaf of rosemary bread and some olives. Trust me.
> > There's lots of other stuff, but those are the must-haves.
>
>
>         I'll keep that in mind for when I get my appetite back :).

Their rosemary bread is SOOOO good. I tried to make it, and it sucked.
As I told Ligniere, "This cooking thing! I don't get it!"

Their olives are the best I've ever had.

> >>>>What my brother really needs this year is some time, sleep,
> >>>>and a sense of humor with a 2-year-old and twins on the way,
> >>>>
> >>>If he doesn't have one, he'll acquire one.
> >>>
> >>
> >>        I hope so.  My sister in law is sweet, but she won't put up
> >>with his nonsense forever.
> >>
> >
> > Either he'll acquire a sense of humor or abandon his family.:-/ I do
> > think that there's nothing funnier than twins. I did most of the care
> > of my brothers when they were little.
>
>
>         I don't think even he dares do the latter.

Then he will laugh, laugh, laugh!

Karen

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On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 05:36:42AM -0800, S Hess wrote:
> > A five year old girl was told by a nine year old that there
> > is no tooth fairy. If you do find money it's your mother who
> > left it there. Please vote for the choice closest to your
> > take:
> >
> > 1 Good!
> > 2 Whatever ...
> > 3 Maybe slightly bad but not disastrous, move on
> > 4 How AWFUL :( :( :(
>
> 3   And someone needs to have a talk with the 9 yr old.

Oh I am sure that will happen. Probably keep happening until
she is 29.

> My 8 yr old niece has not told her 6 yr old sister that there is no Santa
> Claus. She told her mom she knows there isn't one but that she thinks her
> sister should still believe. She's a good girl.

LAME

> When I pointed out Coit Tower (in SF) when we went for a walk on
> Thanksgiving and told her a 1 min. story about wealthy Lily Coit...she said
> that she thinks all the big building are built by rich people so that they
> can get remembered but asked "how do poor people get remembered?". I brought
> up Ghandi...and a few others and we talked about getting remembered for
> actions and not money.

For someone supposedly so famous, the spelling of his name is
sure never remembered ... Anyway, Gandhi was not poor, and in
what way is building a tower not an "action"?

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On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 08:31:41AM -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > left it there. Please vote for the choice closest to your
> > take:
> >
> > 1 Good!
> > 2 Whatever ...
>
> I'm a 1.5 .

Oh whoop di da aren't we REALLY cool!

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On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 08:52:16AM -0800, Betty Clark wrote:
> At 08:31 AM 12/19/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> >> left it there. Please vote for the choice closest to your
> >> take:
> >>
> >> 1 Good!
> >> 2 Whatever ...
> >
> >I'm a 1.5 .
> >
> >Ann
>
> It's stupid survey.

Nuh-uh!

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On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 12:52:41PM +0100, stevie wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 02:30:40PM -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> = On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 10:27:32AM +0100, stevie wrote:
> = > On Tue, Dec 17, 2002 at 07:01:28PM -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> = > = On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 12:15:40PM -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
> = > = > Paul R. Barfoot said:
> = > = > > > My housemate's wife had her interview for her visa application today
> = > = > > > and was turned down.
> = > = >
> = > = > I hate crap like this. Why can't people in love just go where they need
> = > = > to be so they can be together.
> = > =
> = > = People should not fall in love until they've got a permanent visa.
> = > = It only ends in tears.
> = >
> = > This explains your bachelor status.
> =
> = Statuses explain statuses ... first rule of immigration ...
>
> hunh?  either, why immigration specifically, or, I thought the
> first law of immigration was, don't stand out, or, why haven't
> I run into this before, said one immigrant to the other

"Steph", I am simply writing my personal heartbreaking work of staggering
genius in a cryptographic mode so could you PLEASE just let me wank it up
in peace?

my readers understand me

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On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 10:50:58AM -0800, Janet Hardy wrote:
> >Although the next time I put out garbage will be an even shorter day
> >than today, it will have a very happy <aspect> -- it will be longer than
> >the day before.  The sun will be heading back this way!
>
> This is where Natalie and I clone --

This is an egregious abuse of the verb, please stop it.

> counting the minutes till the
> winter solstice, and dreading the summer one.

How repetitive. Try some other attitude once every ten years.

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On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 01:20:23PM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> stevie wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 09:02:29AM -0800, Betty Clark wrote:
> > = At 10:46 AM 12/19/2002 -0600, you wrote:
> > = >The c-b crispies are sliced and baked and cooled and now in bags in the
> > = >freezer.
> > =
> > = Yay.
> >
> > Yay!
>
> Well, I'm not sure it's quite *that* exciting, but y'all have inspired
> me to be sure to report when I finish the ham-cheese pinwheels.

YAY

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Tushar Samant said:
> On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 04:52:45AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Tushar Samant said:
> > > A five year old girl was told by a nine year old that there
> > > is no tooth fairy. If you do find money it's your mother who
> > > left it there. Please vote for the choice closest to your
> > > take:
> > >
> > > 1 Good!
> > > 2 Whatever ...
> > > 3 Maybe slightly bad but not disastrous, move on
> > > 4 How AWFUL :( :( :(
> >
> > 5 This is normal sibling behavior, and the ages are about right.
>
> Thanks for the update. I did not ask for it, I asked for a
> value judgement.

Snark City!!!

Karen

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On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 12:42:58PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> alyce cresap said:
> > Tony Shaloub nominated for Golden Globe Award for best actor in a
> > series.
>
> Yahoo! Go, Tony!

It has an "h", K-R-N. WTFkinda education did you get?

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On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 03:26:41PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> Tushar Samant said:
> > On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 04:52:45AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > > Tushar Samant said:
> > > > A five year old girl was told by a nine year old that there
> > > > is no tooth fairy. If you do find money it's your mother who
> > > > left it there. Please vote for the choice closest to your
> > > > take:
> > > >
> > > > 1 Good!
> > > > 2 Whatever ...
> > > > 3 Maybe slightly bad but not disastrous, move on
> > > > 4 How AWFUL :( :( :(
> > >
> > > 5 This is normal sibling behavior, and the ages are about right.
> >
> > Thanks for the update. I did not ask for it, I asked for a
> > value judgement.
>
> Snark City!!!

Good night, K*R*N.

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Tushar Samant said:
> On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 12:42:58PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > alyce cresap said:
> > > Tony Shaloub nominated for Golden Globe Award for best actor in a
> > > series.
> >
> > Yahoo! Go, Tony!
>
> It has an "h", K-R-N. WTFkinda education did you get?

The kind that taught me when it is polite to avoid typos.

Karen

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Tushar Samant said:
> On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 03:26:41PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Tushar Samant said:
> > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 04:52:45AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > Tushar Samant said:
> > > > > A five year old girl was told by a nine year old that there
> > > > > is no tooth fairy. If you do find money it's your mother who
> > > > > left it there. Please vote for the choice closest to your
> > > > > take:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1 Good!
> > > > > 2 Whatever ...
> > > > > 3 Maybe slightly bad but not disastrous, move on
> > > > > 4 How AWFUL :( :( :(
> > > >
> > > > 5 This is normal sibling behavior, and the ages are about right.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the update. I did not ask for it, I asked for a
> > > value judgement.
> >
> > Snark City!!!
>
> Good night, K*R*N.

Did you know Tush is in The Game dictionary? I won big with your butt,
baby!

And as it turns out, I have a social engagement this evening and will
be leaving shortly. So everyone's happy.

Karen

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On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 03:38:08PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> Tushar Samant said:
> > On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 12:42:58PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > > alyce cresap said:
> > > > Tony Shaloub nominated for Golden Globe Award for best actor in a
> > > > series.
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Go, Tony!
> >
> > It has an "h", K-R-N. WTFkinda education did you get?
>
> The kind that taught me when it is polite to avoid typos.

Lame save ...

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Did you know Tush is in The Game dictionary? I won big with your butt,
> baby!

How does one win the game?  Does it stop if you hit a million, or what?
The last couple of times I've played it I've done it the way I
discovered ensures you of getting over 500,000:  you don't just x out
when you get tired of it or need to do something else -- you close that
window and then come back to it at a second sitting.  I haven't gone
past two sittings of it, though.  I bet if you did, you'd easily hit a
million.

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I was just looking at my PRM list of discounts for hotels, thinking
about how I really ought to spend a couple of nights in Bay St. Louis
sometime before second semester starts -- if there's any time during
that time that Furrbabies has any openings.  There's one in Bay St.
Louis and one in Pass Christian on the list.  But I just checked their
websites, and they're both B&Bs -- big old houses with prettily
furnished rooms.  Why is it that that is off-putting to me?  I remember
that we discussed this before, but I can't remember who all agreed with
me and who all liked staying in B&Bs -- or whether anybody gave any
reason for the preferences.  I think maybe it's something like
anonymity.  I would feel in these places that I was staying in
somebody's house and that my whereabouts or whatever would be
<noticed>.  I think I'd rather stay elsewhere, even though the deal is
two nights for the price of one because of being a PRM member.

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Here's the one in Bay St. Louis:

http://www.baytowninn.com/

In a way it would make sense to stay in an <intimate> place there as a
way to get to know people to further my research about whether I want to
move there someday.  But I'd rather explore more <anonymously>, I think.

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>Do you not see the difference between saying that the Eggers book is a
>coming of age novel and saying it's like CITR?
>Karen

Yes, and actually the Eggers book is like CITR in more ways than just the
coming of age thing.


    --bonniev

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At 06:21 PM 12/19/2002 -0600, natalie wrote:
>...Why is it that that is off-putting to me?  I remember
>that we discussed this before, but I can't remember who all agreed with
>me and who all liked staying in B&Bs -- or whether anybody gave any
>reason for the preferences.  I think maybe it's something like
>anonymity.  I would feel in these places that I was staying in
>somebody's house ...


You definitely are not a B&B person.  Do the owners and their clientele a
favor and find yourself a Super 8.

cwv

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At 05:30 PM 12/19/2002 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 08:52:16AM -0800, Betty Clark wrote:
> > At 08:31 AM 12/19/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> > >> left it there. Please vote for the choice closest to your
> > >> take:
> > >>
> > >> 1 Good!
> > >> 2 Whatever ...
> > >
> > >I'm a 1.5 .
> > >
> > >Ann
> >
> > It's stupid survey.
>
>Nuh-uh!

Is too!

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> You definitely are not a B&B person.  Do the owners and their clientele a
> favor and find yourself a Super 8.

What exactly is a B&B person?  That's what I'm trying to figure out.  I
was pondering it during commercials while watching Survivor and decided
that one of the main reasons I'm leaning against the B&B idea is
clothes.  I like wearing jeans and stuff but would feel the need to look
less scuzzy at a B&B -- of the kind we're talking about not, not of the
kind like around Russell Square in London.

I just did a double-take on your second sentence.  Why would the owners
and their clientele care?  I really would make myself wear something
<nicer> than I would if staying in a regular motel.  That's the only
thing I can think of that would be different about a B&B re
<relationships> with owners and clientele.

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I'm certainly glad I wasn't going somewhere tonight and taping Survivor
since I would've missed the second hour.  I hadn't realized that tonight
was the last night.  I won't say anything now about it, of course, since
there are still people who haven't seen it.  I can say one thing that
won't give anything away:  I was not enthusiastic since I didn't like
either of the final two.

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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:03:54 -0800
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>  > counting the minutes till the
>>  winter solstice, and dreading the summer one.
>
>How repetitive. Try some other attitude once every ten years.

Any suggestions? I'm considering eloping with my light box.

Janet

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>http://www.deanliou.com/WinRG/

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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:49:32 -0800
From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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>"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
>
>>  You definitely are not a B&B person.  Do the owners and their clientele a
>>  favor and find yourself a Super 8.
>
>What exactly is a B&B person?  That's what I'm trying to figure out.  I
>was pondering it during commercials while watching Survivor and decided
>that one of the main reasons I'm leaning against the B&B idea is
>clothes.  I like wearing jeans and stuff but would feel the need to look
>less scuzzy at a B&B -- of the kind we're talking about not, not of the
>kind like around Russell Square in London.
>
>I just did a double-take on your second sentence.  Why would the owners
>and their clientele care?  I really would make myself wear something
><nicer> than I would if staying in a regular motel.  That's the only
>thing I can think of that would be different about a B&B re
><relationships> with owners and clientele.

At B&Bs you're expected to have conversation with strangers at
breakfast <shudder>

Janet

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>I'm certainly glad I wasn't going somewhere tonight and taping Survivor
>since I would've missed the second hour.  I hadn't realized that tonight
>was the last night.  I won't say anything now about it, of course, since
>there are still people who haven't seen it.  I can say one thing that
>won't give anything away:  I was not enthusiastic since I didn't like
>either of the final two.     -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I was happy at who won.   Next time:   Survivor: The Amazon  !!!!!!


    --bonniev

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>I like wearing jeans and stuff but would feel the need to look
>less scuzzy at a B&B -- of the kind we're talking about not, not of the
>kind like around Russell Square in London.

That's definitely not true here in Bar Harbor.  Even the owners wear
jeans.  It's a tourist town.  Casual dress is expected.  People go hiking
and biking.  Some times they come back to the inn with muddy boots and
jeans.   That's not a problem.  People sometimes come down to breakfast
barefoot with wet hair from the shower.  Not a problem.

>I just did a double-take on your second sentence.  Why would the owners
>and their clientele care?  I really would make myself wear something
><nicer> than I would if staying in a regular motel.  That's the only
>thing I can think of that would be different about a B&B re
><relationships> with owners and clientele.     -- Natalie

This is why you are not a B&B person.  You don't get it.  No one gives a
rip about how you dress.  But what the owners and other clientele care
about is that you are pleasant, that you keep up your end of a
conversation, that you don't insult people, that you aren't a complainer
about every little thing, that you don't bring down the geniality level of
the group at breakfast or afternoon tea or around the fire in the evening.


    --bonniev

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At 09:16 PM 12/19/2002 -0600, natalie wrote:
>"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
>
> > You definitely are not a B&B person.  Do the owners and their clientele a
> > favor and find yourself a Super 8.
>
>What exactly is a B&B person?

It's less what a B&B person is than what a B&B person is not.  By your
post, you show a negative attitude towards the sort of socializing (that
you would be noticed, etc.) that is common in B&Bs.  As Janet noted, there
is conversation, even at breakfast.  Moreover, you smoke.  Many, if not
most, B&Bs now, in addition to not allowing smoking in the building, don't
want people smoking anywhere on the property; discrimination it may be, but
that's the way it is.   Basically, it appears that you would go in
expecting not to enjoy it, so you wouldn't, and whether you intended to or
not, you would communicate that to the other guests, thereby diminishing
the quality of their stay.  No B&B owner wants that.

cwv

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Fellow Wordslers,

I would like to shed the mantle of responsibility for list management and will be interviewing candidates for a list co-owner to replace me. If you would like to mail me privately, or if you prefer your soul to be laid bare in the cold noonday glare of the winter sun (meaning on-list), I will be happy to consider your application.

Also, I have received the renewal notice for the words-l.org domain. While I don't mind paying it, I would do so even more ungrudgingly if I believed it was going to support an actual website. As Bill Clinton said, we have done much, but we can do better. So what can be done with the website? Anyone out there want to take it on?

I have been on vacation from words-l for the past several months. This has been a rough year in some respects, but rewarding in others. Bittersweet chocolate shot through with a vein of raspberry jam, if you can relate to food imagery. This was one of those years that had many turning points for me. Last winter I dubbed 2002 "My Year of The Dragon," meaning a time of chaos and turmoil, and it was that. When I named the year that name, I arrogantly thought it would be a year that looked tough on the surface but would be easy to sail over, leaving others with the impression that tough things were magically easy for me. 

In actuality it turned out to be a rough ride where I nearly capsized the kayak several times. More than once I thought I had finally been given more than I could bear. In fact, hell yes, I was given more than I could bear. I stumbled and made mistakes. I got a few things right, though, and as it turned out the things I got right outweighed the things I messed up. The Year of The Dragon finally passed on September 1.

This isn't very interesting, so I'll wrap it up now. If you want to mail me privately for even more self-revelatory navel-examining, I would love to hear from you. Meanwhile, it's been great being your list admin for these years and I look forward to making trouble for the next admin.

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On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 05:36:06PM -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
= On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 01:20:23PM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= > stevie wrote:
= >
= > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 09:02:29AM -0800, Betty Clark wrote:
= > > = At 10:46 AM 12/19/2002 -0600, you wrote:
= > > = >The c-b crispies are sliced and baked and cooled and now in bags in the
= > > = >freezer.
= > > =
= > > = Yay.
= > >
= > > Yay!
= >
= > Well, I'm not sure it's quite *that* exciting, but y'all have inspired
= > me to be sure to report when I finish the ham-cheese pinwheels.
=
= YAY

Yay!

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bonniev wrote:

> I was happy at who won.   Next time:   Survivor: The Amazon  !!!!!!

When does the next one start?  Re who won this time (can we talk openly
yet?), I had liked him earlier, but he started showing very unpleasant
stripes near the end.  (I just went up and changed the subject header in
case somebody taped it to watch later.  My saying "him" gives something
away.  Now that I've changed the subject header, I'll go on and talk
openly.)

Of the final two, I was happy that Brian one because I have disliked
Clay (who for some reason I kept calling Walt earlier) since the
beginning.  I kept expecting him to be kicked off ages and ages ok.

My thoughts on the final five:

Brian:  Worthy of winning in many ways.  He was a good worker, a winner
of challenges, a pleasant person to be around.  But he sure was talking
snakily last night.  It wasn't quite the same as some of the others'
talk about the need to "play the game" and look out for themselves.  He
was more like "ha -- I've fooled them -- what idiots they are."  And he
had a mean gleam in his eyes.

Clay:  A generally unpleasant person who grated on me the whole time.  I
did not see him as contributing much of anything positive to the group
in any way and, as I said above, was surprised he lasted more than a few
days.

Jan:  Of the final three I would rather have seen her win simply because
she seemed to be a <nicer person> that the other two.  Otoh, she really
wasn't worthy of winning it in most ways.  I was thinking when they
started that last challenge that she might be the one to stick it out
longest (like the older woman on one of the previous Survivors who did
so well on one of those endurance things) and ultimately win the whole
thing.  I think Brian was smart not to choose her for the final two,
btw.  I hadn't realized the negative feelings so many of them had about
Brian.  If some of them were anti-Brian enough to vote for weasly Clay,
I can imagine that more would've voted for Jan.  That, of course, is
what Brian was thinking when he chose Clay -- remember when he said
whatever it was about how she hadn't done much for the group but also
hadn't offended anybody.

Helen:  My reactions to Helen were strangely up and down -- basically a
/\.  My first thoughts on her were negative -- when she was so kneejerky
in assuming that Ted was lying and Ghandia telling the truth re <the bed
episode>.  She seemed strident and bitchy in general to me at that
time.  Later she seemed like a different person.  (Again one has to
wonder about the editing -- about how consistent the people really were,
with seeming changes being the result of editing.)  I liked Helen during
the last few weeks and was disappointed to see her voted off.  But then
at that last tribal council -- the one to vote on the winner -- I
thought she was a totally obnoxious bitch.  (It was interesting, btw,
how she had been so anti-Ted back during the sex scandal and then was
his bosom buddy later.)

Ted:  Until the question period of that last tribal council, I would
have picked Ted as the one I wanted to win.  When it got down to the
final two, I was thinking how I wish it had been Ted and Helen since I
would have been happy with either of them as the winner -- at that
point.  But I found his questioning of Clay bizarre and prejudiced.
Maybe I missed the episode that showed Clay as a racist.  I found Clay a
generally unpleasant person but don't remember his racism.  Ted's attack
on him made me wonder about Ted himself and his prejudices against honky
southern males.

I was suprised in general at the level of the nastiness during the
questioning at the last tribal council.  And the tacky stereotyping --
like Brian was really a used-car salesman inside (although I must admit
to having had that same thought cross my mind near the end -- it's just
that I wouldn't have said it since I think it's unfair to an honest
used-car salesman who might exist somewhere -- why is it always "used,"
btw?  I think most new-car salesmen are sneaky liars also).  I began to
think none of them -- the jury nor the final two -- should win.  Or
almost none of them.  Jake was ok, iirc, and maybe one or more of the
females whose names I can't remember.  The policeman was probably right
to point out that it was untrue that anybody would lie to get to the end
and that he had been honest the whole way, but he got a bit too
holier-than-thou about it imho, with too much seething hostility.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >I like wearing jeans and stuff but would feel the need to look
> >less scuzzy at a B&B -- of the kind we're talking about not, not of the
> >kind like around Russell Square in London.
>
> That's definitely not true here in Bar Harbor.  Even the owners wear
> jeans.  It's a tourist town.  Casual dress is expected.  People go hiking

Clothing customs are quite different in the Northeast from those here.
I prefer the Yankee ones, I might add.  <Respectable> Southerners are
expected to <dress nicely>.  Women and girls are expected to wear
expensive little <outfits>, even for play.  I've never cared much about
what I wear, but my goal is to fit in enough not to be noticed --
meaning I don't want to be looked askance at for dressing
<inappropriately>.

> This is why you are not a B&B person.  You don't get it.  No one gives a
> rip about how you dress.  But what the owners and other clientele care
> about is that you are pleasant, that you keep up your end of a
> conversation, that you don't insult people, that you aren't a complainer
> about every little thing, that you don't bring down the geniality level of
> the group at breakfast or afternoon tea or around the fire in the evening.

ROFL!!  I'm laughing especially hard at the thought of being a
"complainer"!  I'm too much the opposite extreme, in fact.  I have
frozen to death or burned up in hotel rooms where the a/c or heat in the
room was malfunctioning, have dressed in the dark because of burned-out
or non-working lights, have battled recalcitrant toilets or showers,
etc. etc. etc. because I just don't have it in me to be a <complainer>.
Ditto in restaurants.  I can't imagine asking a waitperson to take
something back because it was overcooked or undercooked or had a bug in
it or whatever.  I take whatever is offered and live with it.  And say
polite thank-yous, even if I hated the food or lodging or whatever.
(That's part of the Southern hypocrisy you don't like, if I'm not
mistaken.)

It's harder to respond about my inability to have a conversation and my
bringing down the geniality level of the group.  Nobody has ever given
me any kind of hint that I lack those social skills, but maybe it's just
that people are too polite.  Maybe I've always been considered a social
pariah, included in things only because people feel sorry for me or
something.

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> post, you show a negative attitude towards the sort of socializing (that
> you would be noticed, etc.) that is common in B&Bs.  As Janet noted, there
> is conversation, even at breakfast.

I don't mind conversation at breakfast at all.  It's my favorite time of
day and my favorite meal.

> Moreover, you smoke.  Many, if not
> most, B&Bs now, in addition to not allowing smoking in the building, don't
> want people smoking anywhere on the property; discrimination it may be, but

I haven't smoked inside any place in forever and ever -- not even in my
own house or car or office, much less anybody else's.  I also don't
smoke on somebody's property unless there is clear evidence that it is
considered ok.  I can't imagine smoking anywhere in or near a B&B.  I
don't think I even smoked anywhere near that inn on Block Island, which
was not exactly a B&B.  It just wasn't the right kind of place to smoke.

> that's the way it is.   Basically, it appears that you would go in
> expecting not to enjoy it, so you wouldn't, and whether you intended to or

If that was my ironclad attitude, I wouldn't have started this
discussion or be asking these questions.

> not, you would communicate that to the other guests, thereby diminishing
> the quality of their stay.  No B&B owner wants that.

It is clear to me from this discussion that I do not want to stay in a
B&B in Maine since I don't ever want to be in a place where I'm not
wanted.  I'm still not convinced, however, that Yankee attitudes and
behavior are the norm in the South.  We are taught from birth that
having conversations with proprietors and other customers, whether hotel
or store or wherever, is simply what one does in life.  I have become
what I would call friends (though temporary) with many hotel employees
and other guests in my life in many places -- looking forward to
returning and sitting around talking to them at the end of the day or in
the morning, etc. etc.  Even though these experiences have been in other
parts of the country or (even more often) in other countries, I'm
beginning to think that I was wrong to think that I was being congenial
-- that I was in fact a somehow negative entity in the environment.

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Anne Toal wrote:

> This isn't very interesting, so I'll wrap it up now.

Everything you write is interesting.

> and I look forward to making trouble for the next admin.

Whew.  Don't go pulling any vanishing acts!

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=
= > that's the way it is.   Basically, it appears that you would go in
= > expecting not to enjoy it, so you wouldn't, and whether you intended to or
=
= If that was my ironclad attitude, I wouldn't have started this
= discussion or be asking these questions.
=
= > not, you would communicate that to the other guests, thereby diminishing
= > the quality of their stay.  No B&B owner wants that.
=
= It is clear to me from this discussion that I do not want to stay in a
= B&B in Maine since I don't ever want to be in a place where I'm not
= wanted.

Ha ha ha ha a ha ha a ha.

When't the last time you and Clyde had useful communication with
each other?!

Hell, if you go anywhere expecting you won't enjoy it you won't
enjoy it.  Personally, I think that you would probably enjoy a
B&B, but I've never stayed in a B&B in the USA, so maybe things
are different there (but not, I would think, substantially
different from Canada).  The only thing is, you should just wipe
all your expectations.  Just see what it is and be your normal
Natalie self.

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On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Natalie Maynor wrote,, for some reason:

>Clothing customs are quite different in the Northeast from those here.
>I prefer the Yankee ones, I might add.  <Respectable> Southerners are
>expected to <dress nicely>.  Women and girls are expected to wear
>expensive little <outfits>, even for play.  I've never cared much about

That is not true in most of the South; it's not even true in Knoxville, a
very conservative place, outside a tiny percentage of the population -
under-educated, financially well-off families (think Cherokee Country
Club nouveau).

Bethany

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We are leaving this morning for the long drive to
Texas.  I have the list set to digest, the first of which
has arrived.  And guess what.  O E has removed it
as being possibly dangerous.

I guess I will set it to no mail and just miss words-l
all together.  Then when I get back I will have to
find out how to stop O E from removing all
attachments.

Have fun over the holidays, all of you.

                   - D. M.

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stevie wrote:

> When't the last time you and Clyde had useful communication with
> each other?!

I don't know re useful e-communication.  The only time I was around him
ftf I don't think he said p-turkey.  But then I must admit that Bonnie
and I and to some extent my friend Katherine didn't really give him a
chance.

> Hell, if you go anywhere expecting you won't enjoy it you won't
> enjoy it.

Well, sure.  That's commonsensical (with occasional exceptions, of
course).

>  Personally, I think that you would probably enjoy a
> B&B, but I've never stayed in a B&B in the USA, so maybe things
> are different there (but not, I would think, substantially
> different from Canada).  The only thing is, you should just wipe
> all your expectations.  Just see what it is and be your normal
> Natalie self.

It's not as if I've never stayed in a B&B anywhere.  I've stayed in lots
and lots of them in Europe (though none of them looked like what I think
of as a US B&B -- as in a white house with green shutters and a porch)
and in lots of tiny hotels that in some ways are like B&Bs, including
the one I stayed in in Vichy for six weeks.  I loved breakfasting with
the Amash at Mohammed's hotel in Anchorage.  I'm sure I told y'all about
Mohammed -- he of the dog-and-fish story and the old flame from Germany
that he was perhaps about to get back with.  And now that I think about
it, I've stayed in a B&B in Canada, though that really doesn't count
since I was with a mob of Wordslers.  (Remember how the kind owners
offered breakfast to our crasher that morning?)  But I don't routinely
stay in B&Bs and have never stayed in one anywhere around here that I
can remember.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> That is not true in most of the South; it's not even true in Knoxville, a
> very conservative place, outside a tiny percentage of the population -
> under-educated, financially well-off families (think Cherokee Country
> Club nouveau).

I do not consider East Tennessee the real South, at least not
culturally.  (West Tennessee is, of course -- or at least Memphis.)  I'm
sure I've told the story before of our former MA student who went on and
got his PhD at UT and then got a job teaching at a small college in a
small town in Georgia.  When I saw him a year or so later and asked how
he liked his new job and new town, he replied, "I like being back in the
South."  I said something like, "Many people would consider Knoxville in
the South."  He smiled and said, "You lived in Knoxville.  You know what
I mean."  And I did, of course.  It's Southern in some ways perhaps but
is certainly not prototypical.  I would never consider it The Deep
South.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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It's clear you didn't watch the hour-long reunion show last night.  It gave
a bit of clarity to some of the things you said.  I thought it was a better
reunion show than those hosted by Rosie or Gumbel.

>When does the next one start?

It starts airing in February.

>Brian:  was more like "ha -- I've fooled them -- what idiots they
>are."  And he
>had a mean gleam in his eyes.

Yes, he was even more like that on the reunion show.  He came right out and
said that he picked Clay because he know people didn't like him.  I almost
felt sorry for Clay at that point because it was clear that no one liked
him.  Helen was asked if she still would have voted for Brian after she got
to view the episodes and see the things that Brian did behind the
scenes.  She said she would not have, but yet she would have had trouble
voting for Clay.  She still seemed pissed about the whole thing.

 >(It was interesting, btw, how she had been so anti-Ted back
 >during the sex scandal and then was his bosom buddy later.)

This didn't seem strange to me.  She felt sorry for Ghandia at first.  I
would have also.  But then Ted explained and apologized.   This was also
addressed on the reunion show.  Ted said he told his wife about the whole
thing immediately upon returning to the states.  She understood but then
still found it hard and embarrassing when that episode aired.  But they
worked it through as did Ghandia and her husband.  They showed her husband
and kids in the audience.

>But I found his questioning of Clay bizarre and prejudiced.
>Maybe I missed the episode that showed Clay as a racist.

It came out in the reunion show that Ted based that whole thing about Clay
being a racist on something that Helen told Ted after they were both voted
off.  It wasn't said just what Clay supposedly said.  But Ted trusted
Helen, didn't think she would lie, and was truly pissed at whatever racist
words Clay had used in speaking about Ted behind Ted's back.

>I was suprised in general at the level of the nastiness during the
>questioning at the last tribal council.  And the tacky stereotyping --
>like Brian was really a used-car salesman inside

I think it's expected to be nasty.  It was like that from the very first
Survivor.  I also think that emotions are still running very high at the
point where they do the questioning.  It's understandable that Helen and
Ted were bitterly disappointed and felt betrayed by Brian.   What surprised
me is that it was never referred to that Brian is more than a used car
salesman.  He's a porn star.  They must all have known that by the time of
the reunion show.

 > I began to think none of them -- the jury nor the final two -- should win.
 > -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

It's not a popularity contest.  You don't win a million dollars because you
are a genuinely good and nice person.  Outwit, outplay, outlast.  Brian did
it best.  He deserves it.  He sucked Clay into an alliance with him just
because he knew that when it came down to him and Clay more people would
vote for Brian.  In fact, the moderator ragged Brian that the vote was so
close.  He pointed out that Clay, during the questioning, alienated and
pissed off three people whose vote he needed.  And still he got three of
the seven votes.

    --bonniev

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> > This is why you are not a B&B person.  You don't get it.  No one gives a
> > rip about how you dress.  But what the owners and other clientele care
> > about is that you are pleasant, that you keep up your end of a
> > conversation, that you don't insult people, that you aren't a complainer
> > about every little thing, that you don't bring down the geniality level of
> > the group at breakfast or afternoon tea or around the fire in the evening.
>
>ROFL!!  I'm laughing especially hard at the thought of being a
>"complainer"!

I didn't say that you were incapable of being a good B&B guest.  I simply
said that you don't seem to understand what is required.  Your comment
about being nicely dressed being the only thing you could imagine would
impact the other guests or the owners is what lead me to that conclusion.

 >>  And say polite thank-yous, even if I hated the food or lodging or
whatever.
 >(That's part of the Southern hypocrisy you don't like, if I'm not mistaken.)
 > -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Yes.

    --bonniev

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>It is clear to me from this discussion that I do not want to stay in a
>B&B in Maine since I don't ever want to be in a place where I'm not
>wanted.  I'm still not convinced, however, that Yankee attitudes and
>behavior are the norm in the South.  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Southerners are not universally hated in the North the way Yankees are
universally hated in the South.


    --bonniev

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On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> That is not true in most of the South; it's not even true in Knoxville, a
>> very conservative place, outside a tiny percentage of the population -
>> under-educated, financially well-off families (think Cherokee Country
>> Club nouveau).
>
>I do not consider East Tennessee the real South, at least not
>culturally.  (West Tennessee is, of course -- or at least Memphis.)  I'm

Of course it's not the south - that's why I said "it's not even true
in Knoxville."

Duh!

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >I do not consider East Tennessee the real South, at least not
> >culturally.  (West Tennessee is, of course -- or at least Memphis.)  I'm
>
> Of course it's not the south - that's why I said "it's not even true
> in Knoxville."

Where in the South have you ever spent time (as in very much time)?  I
can think of three border areas you've lived in (Texas, Arkansas, ET).

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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bonniev wrote:

> It's clear you didn't watch the hour-long reunion show last night.  It gave

No, I didn't.  Three hours would be more than my attention span could
handle.

> >But I found his questioning of Clay bizarre and prejudiced.
> >Maybe I missed the episode that showed Clay as a racist.
>
> It came out in the reunion show that Ted based that whole thing about Clay
> being a racist on something that Helen told Ted after they were both voted
> off.  It wasn't said just what Clay supposedly said.  But Ted trusted
> Helen, didn't think she would lie, and was truly pissed at whatever racist
> words Clay had used in speaking about Ted behind Ted's back.

It wouldn't really surprise me that Clay might be a racist.  He seems
the type in ways.  It's just that I hadn't seen it in the episodes shown
and wondered where Ted's outburst suddenly came from.

> I think it's expected to be nasty.  It was like that from the very first
> Survivor.  I also think that emotions are still running very high at the

I didn't notice it much in the first one.  I think one reason I liked
the first one best was that I was naively not thinking about any kind of
political maneuvering -- alliances, etc.  I was aware of course of the
need to get along with people -- that it wasn't all just about the
reward/immunity challenges.  But I really wasn't noticing politicking in
that one.

Where were they at the end, btw?  As I was turning off the tv, I saw
something that appeared to be a large auditorium.  I have the vague
memory of having asked this about one of the earlier Survivors.  They
appear to be still on the site, but then suddenly there's a huge
audience.  (Obviously I'm not talking about the one where they delayed
it for months, with the helicopter bringing the votes in, etc.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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bonniev wrote:

> I didn't say that you were incapable of being a good B&B guest.  I simply
> said that you don't seem to understand what is required.  Your comment
> about being nicely dressed being the only thing you could imagine would
> impact the other guests or the owners is what lead me to that conclusion.

The only thing different from other kinds of settings.  Obviously being
polite and friendly is important anywhere one is in life.  It wouldn't
occur to me to single that out as worthy of comment.

> >>  And say polite thank-yous, even if I hated the food or lodging or
> whatever.
>  >(That's part of the Southern hypocrisy you don't like, if I'm not mistaken.)
>  > -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> Yes.

But you think one should do it in a B&B?  Just not elsewhere?

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >It is clear to me from this discussion that I do not want to stay in a
> >B&B in Maine since I don't ever want to be in a place where I'm not
> >wanted.  I'm still not convinced, however, that Yankee attitudes and
> >behavior are the norm in the South.  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> Southerners are not universally hated in the North the way Yankees are
> universally hated in the South.

I wasn't thinking about being hated because I was Southern.  I've spent
lots of very happy times in the North, including several whole summers.
I was thinking about me as an individual.  You and Clyde seemed to be
suggesting that I have some kind of personality deformity that would
make the owners and the guests unhappy.

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> > I think it's expected to be nasty.  It was like that from the very first
> > Survivor.  I also think that emotions are still running very high at the
>
>I didn't notice it much in the first one.

I remember vividly when the female Wisconsin truck driver delivered this
horrid diatribe against the other woman of the final four.  She said
something about not giving her a drink of water if she found her dying of
thirst in the dessert.  And she called Richard Hatch, the winner, a rat
while the woman of the final two was a snake.  Or something like that.

>Where were they at the end, btw?  As I was turning off the tv, I saw
>something that appeared to be a large auditorium.   -- Natalie

They were in a CBS studio in Los Angeles.   When he goes off the set to say
"I'll go tally the votes", they cut to commercial.  When he comes back, the
set from Thailand has been recreated in the studio with all the survivors
wearing the same clothes they were wearing back then.


    --bonniev

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>bonniev wrote:
> > I didn't say that you were incapable of being a good B&B guest.  I simply
> > said that you don't seem to understand what is required.  Your comment
> > about being nicely dressed being the only thing you could imagine would
> > impact the other guests or the owners is what lead me to that conclusion.
>
>The only thing different from other kinds of settings.  Obviously being
>polite and friendly is important anywhere one is in life.  It wouldn't
>occur to me to single that out as worthy of comment.

We disagree.  I think the biggest difference between a motel and a B&B is
that you are pretty much forced to interact with the other guests.  It is
possible, however, to be reclusive in a B&B.  One isn't required to come
down to breakfast.  One can nod politely if addressed on the stairs and
continue on one's way.  One can simply hang out in one's room.

> > >>  And say polite thank-yous, even if I hated the food or lodging or
> > whatever.
> >  >(That's part of the Southern hypocrisy you don't like, if I'm not
> mistaken.)
> >  > -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> >
> > Yes.
>
>But you think one should do it in a B&B?  Just not elsewhere?
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

No.  I don't think hypocrisy is required anywhere.


    --bonniev

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>I wasn't thinking about being hated because I was Southern.  I've spent
>lots of very happy times in the North, including several whole summers.
>I was thinking about me as an individual.  You and Clyde seemed to be
>suggesting that I have some kind of personality deformity that would
>make the owners and the guests unhappy.  -- Natalie

No, neither one of us said that.  I can't speak for Clyde, but I don't
think you have any personal deformity.  I can see you as the life of the
party at breakfast in a B&B.  Nevertheless, based on what you initially
said on this topic (before you told us about your happy B&B times in Europe
and Canada) I judged that you are not a B&B kind of person because you
claim to seek anonymity.  I myself am not much of a B&B person.  Back when
we were tourists here and stayed at the Cleftstone, I often didn't come
down for breakfast.  I think of myself as a small European-style hotel
person -- lots of service, nice lounge on site, uniquely decorated rooms,
no interaction with other guests.  We don't have one of those in Bar Harbor.


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:
> >I didn't notice it much in the first one.
>
> I remember vividly when the female Wisconsin truck driver delivered this
> horrid diatribe against the other woman of the final four.  She said
> something about not giving her a drink of water if she found her dying of
> thirst in the dessert.  And she called Richard Hatch, the winner, a rat
> while the woman of the final two was a snake.  Or something like that.

That was at the end.  I also remember her major outburst, although I
didn't remember which one of the Survivors it was (as in the first one
or second one or whatever).

> They were in a CBS studio in Los Angeles.   When he goes off the set to say
> "I'll go tally the votes", they cut to commercial.  When he comes back, the
> set from Thailand has been recreated in the studio with all the survivors
> wearing the same clothes they were wearing back then.

So the winner doesn't find out right after the vote?  There's always a
delay, even if the audience doesn't see it the way it did with the
helicopter one?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Where in the South have you ever spent time (as in very much time)?  I
>can think of three border areas you've lived in (Texas, Arkansas, ET).

Baton Rouge does not count?

Bethany

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>So the winner doesn't find out right after the vote?  There's always a
>delay, even if the audience doesn't see it the way it did with the
>helicopter one?    -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Exactly.  Ever since the first one, the votes have been kept under lock and
key and not revealed until after the series has aired.  The actual money
was handed over on the CBS morning show this morning.


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:

> >The only thing different from other kinds of settings.  Obviously being
> >polite and friendly is important anywhere one is in life.  It wouldn't
> >occur to me to single that out as worthy of comment.
>
> We disagree.  I think the biggest difference between a motel and a B&B is
> that you are pretty much forced to interact with the other guests.  It is

I'm trying to think now about forced vs unforced interaction.  I do see
what you're saying -- like at a B&B everybody sits down together at a
big table for breakfast at exactly the same time?  That was the case in
at least one B&B I've stayed in.  But in others, just like regular
motels, there's a period of time for breakfast -- as in people come and
go and don't necessarily sit at one big table together (though often
various strangers share smallish tables).

> possible, however, to be reclusive in a B&B.  One isn't required to come
> down to breakfast.  One can nod politely if addressed on the stairs and
> continue on one's way.  One can simply hang out in one's room.

I can't imagine choosing to do any of those things.  I would certainly
not skip breakfast.  I would, I guess, nod and continue on the stairs if
I sensed that the other person was simply nodding with intention of
continuing on his/her way rather than trying to start a conversation,
though I can't imagine staying in any small place without having any
general conversations at all.  I don't even go to Wmart without having
at least some conversations with strangers.  And I definitely can't
imagine simply hanging out in my room (except maybe early in the morning
-- before anybody else was up or anything in the outer world was open --
and possibly at night, depending on whether there was any other real
option -- as in somebody sitting around downstairs to talk to --
depending on the setting, I might sit in a general area to read at night
instead of in my room).

> > > >>  And say polite thank-yous, even if I hated the food or lodging or
> > > whatever.
> > >  >(That's part of the Southern hypocrisy you don't like, if I'm not
> > mistaken.)
> > >  > -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> > >
> > > Yes.
> >
> >But you think one should do it in a B&B?  Just not elsewhere?
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> No.  I don't think hypocrisy is required anywhere.

Then I don't get what you were talking about earlier re <complaining>.
I would never ever complain, as I've already said, but that means
sometimes requiring hypocrisy.  (I do sometimes tell hotel people very
nicely when checking out that they might want to check the light fixture
or the a/c or whatever in that room so that the next guest doesn't have
the same problem.  But I don't do it in a complaining tone.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >Where in the South have you ever spent time (as in very much time)?  I
> >can think of three border areas you've lived in (Texas, Arkansas, ET).
>
> Baton Rouge does not count?

I would say it counts, even though it's getting pretty close to NO.
When did you live in BR?  The clothing styles at LSU were quite
different from those at colleges and universities in Mississippi,
however.  LSU was famous back in my day (early/mid '60s) for girls
wearing their weejuns without hose and for shockingly informal
football-game attire.  That was back when people wore suits and corsages
to fb games.  Those times have changed, thank goodness (or at least
thank goodness if I really went to many fb games), sort of like the
change when people quit wearing hats and gloves when shopping downtown
in Jackson, but there are still strong <dress codes>.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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bonniev wrote:

> Exactly.  Ever since the first one, the votes have been kept under lock and
> key and not revealed until after the series has aired.  The actual money
> was handed over on the CBS morning show this morning.

After it's aired??  You mean that scene last night was live?  (I'm
talking, of course, about the scene of the counting of the votes.)  It
was interesting how Brian and Clay both had the same facial covering --
as in Brian's beard and Clay's scruff.)  What's the time period?  Like
how long was it between the voting and last night's counting?

I wish they wouldn't combine the last two episodes into a two-hour deal
but instead have just the last one with the followup thing you were
talking about.  In that case, I would watch the followup.

--
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On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Baton Rouge does not count?
>
>I would say it counts, even though it's getting pretty close to NO.
>When did you live in BR?  The clothing styles at LSU were quite

Most of August 1966 - May 1972. And I have spent a lot of time in Atlanta,
s. Arkansas, etc.

I taught at Southern U. in Baton Rouge - so saw a great deal more of ALL
social/ethnic classes than I might otherwise have done. I also spent a lot
of itme on the LSU campus.

Bethany

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bonniev wrote:

> I judged that you are not a B&B kind of person because you
> claim to seek anonymity.

In certain ways.  Like I don't necessarily want to tell people where I'm
going at a certain time, why I'm going there, what time I'll be back,
etc.  And I might prefer to drive around assessing Bay St. Louis houses
by myself, without the B&B owners' calling their real estate buddy to
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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> I taught at Southern U. in Baton Rouge -

Ah yes.  I remember this now.  I drove through that campus once.  Iirc,
it was pretty.  Wasn't it near or on the river?  (My memory of it is
hazy.  Not many people I knew had cars back then, so I did not do very
much driving around in BR.  On one of the car occasions we drove through
the lepor colony near BR.  (Is that how you spell lepor?  It looks
funny.)  We washed the car upon return to the dorm, in fear that it
might have picked up leprosy.  How young and dumb we were.  I don't
remember now why we drove through there.  We weren't gawking or pointing
or anything.  I think we passed the entrance and decided on a whim to
tour it.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Just ended on eBay:

Back by popular demand....A BIBLE WITH A JESUS SIGNATURE!!! Jesus
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It's signed "To Nick - Keep on truckin' / Love, Jesus"
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says the TV

alyce
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At 11:23 AM 12/20/2002 -0500, alyce wrote:
>says the TV
>

How far down?

cwv

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> that you don't bring down the geniality level of
> the group at breakfast or afternoon tea or around the fire in the evening.

I finally have a phrase for myself:  I bring down the geniality level of
the group!

thanks, bonniev

Ann

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>Then I don't get what you were talking about earlier re <complaining>.
>I would never ever complain, as I've already said, but that means
>sometimes requiring hypocrisy.   -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I disagree.  One can politely request extra towels or a fourth pillow for
the bed without complaining.  One need not smile and gush and speak about
how everything was just wonderful during one's stay.  That would be
hypocrisy, if indeed everything wasn't wonderful.  The kind of guests that
Innkeepers hate are the ones who complain about every little thing and are
never happy no matter what you do.  Often these are couples who are
fighting with each other on vacation and take it out on the Innkeepers.


    --bonniev

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Bless his heart!

Bethany

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> says the TV

Wonderful!  Now I wish the people were right who have speculated that he
might leave the Senate entirely, but I really don't think that's going
to happen.  I'm just hoping that the voters will take care of that, but
I'm not counting on it.  In spite of the very strong ratio of negative
letters to the editor about him, I bet his stupidity will blow over
after a while and he'll get lots of votes.  And I can't think of who we
have in the state who would be a good opponent.  The only really strong
one I can think of (Mike Moore, state AG) is not likely to seek that
office, imho.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 11:44 AM 12/20/2002 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>Then I don't get what you were talking about earlier re <complaining>.
>>I would never ever complain, as I've already said, but that means
>>sometimes requiring hypocrisy.   -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>I disagree.  One can politely request extra towels or a fourth pillow for
>the bed without complaining.  One need not smile and gush and speak about
>how everything was just wonderful during one's stay.  That would be
>hypocrisy, if indeed everything wasn't wonderful.  The kind of guests that
>Innkeepers hate are the ones who complain about every little thing and are
>never happy no matter what you do.  Often these are couples who are
>fighting with each other on vacation and take it out on the Innkeepers.

They would be like that no matter where they stayed. Some people are just
unhappy and want to make everyone else unhappy.  Natalie would be a fine
B&B guest.

Betty

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>After it's aired??  You mean that scene last night was live?  (I'm
>talking, of course, about the scene of the counting of the votes.)

Yes, that scene was live.  Or maybe tape-delayed.  In any case, it happened
last night.  The whole group of survivors then appear on the CBS late show
and on the CBS morning show.  A check was given to Brian this morning, I
guess.  I didn't watch it.

>What's the time period?  Like
>how long was it between the voting and last night's counting?

Probably two months.  I'm sure it takes the film editors awhile to get the
episodes together.

>I wish they wouldn't combine the last two episodes into a two-hour deal
>but instead have just the last one with the followup thing you were
>talking about.  In that case, I would watch the followup.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Some years I've taped the reunion hour and watched it the next night.  Last
night I watched all three hours because I have some interesting to knit.


    --bonniev

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I've spoken up here before about not being a B&B fan. I
dread florals, chintz, frilly flounces - all of which
abound in B&Bs. I hate that overstuffed B&B look. Most
B&B people seem to be cat lovers and I'm not. I like
certain cats but don't go googoo over every cat in sight.

I much prefer a modern hotel with all the ameneties. I also
like European hotels that are kinda sparse - stayed in a great
one in Chamonix. I've also stayed in some that were so-so.

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bonniev said:
> It's clear you didn't watch the hour-long reunion show last night.  It gave
> a bit of clarity to some of the things you said.  I thought it was a better
> reunion show than those hosted by Rosie or Gumbel.

Well, yeah, because Jeff had his own questions.

[Helen]
> She still seemed pissed about the whole thing.

I think she's mostly mad at herself. But yes, she radiated anger, and
it was ugly.

> me is that it was never referred to that Brian is more than a used car
> salesman.  He's a porn star.  They must all have known that by the time of
> the reunion show.

I thought that was a long time ago.

>  > I began to think none of them -- the jury nor the final two -- should win.
>  > -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> It's not a popularity contest.  You don't win a million dollars because you
> are a genuinely good and nice person.

But actually, the people that win are perceived to be nice. I think
the difference between Ethan and Brian are instructive.

I also think it's interesting that the people who do the best at the
end (especially in the grueling last immunity trial) are those who
have some sort of interior life or spiritual practice.

> In fact, the moderator ragged Brian that the vote was so
> close.  He pointed out that Clay, during the questioning, alienated and
> pissed off three people whose vote he needed.  And still he got three of
> the seven votes.

That was funny. And his reference to Nash was interesting. I like Jeff
the more that I watch him.

Karen

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I read something that says that it is illegal to own more than six sex
toys in Texas. Even as educational instruments.

Karen

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Ann Borkin said:
> > that you don't bring down the geniality level of
> > the group at breakfast or afternoon tea or around the fire in the evening.
>
> I finally have a phrase for myself:  I bring down the geniality level of
> the group!

Not.

Karen

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>From: bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM>
>>won't give anything away:  I was not enthusiastic since I didn't like
>>either of the final two.     -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>I was happy at who won.

I definitely preferred Brian to Clay who probably still doesn't realize that
people didn't like him. Brian played smart, which unfortunately, in this
game means that he had to manipulate people. He engineered the ending and it
worked. He eliminated Ted because Ted was well-liked and strong. He
eliminated Helen similarly. Then Jan, who was also well-liked. All the time,
remaining at least somewhat liked -- the lesser of two evils anyway -- till
the end. It almost didn't work because people realized that they had been
manipulated and that pissed them off.

I really didn't like many of the Survivors this time at all.

>  Next time:   Survivor: The Amazon  !!!!!!

February?

Marie

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>>  Next time:   Survivor: The Amazon  !!!!!!
>
>February?
>Marie

Yup.


    --bonniev

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At 10:50 AM 12/20/2002 -0600, natalie wrote:
>alyce cresap wrote:
> >
> > says the TV
>
>Wonderful!  Now I wish the people were right who have speculated that he
>might leave the Senate entirely, but I really don't think that's going
>to happen.  I'm just hoping that the voters will take care of that, but
>I'm not counting on it.

That may depend on when he has to run again.  One of the advantages of
being a Senator (over that of Representative) is that the six-year term
allows some time for people to forget or the Senator to live down a stupid
or unpopular action---provided that it doesn't happen in the year or so
before re-election time.

cwv

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>
>
>I've spoken up here before about not being a B&B fan. I
>dread florals, chintz, frilly flounces - all of which
>abound in B&Bs. I hate that overstuffed B&B look. Most
>B&B people seem to be cat lovers and I'm not. I like
>certain cats but don't go googoo over every cat in sight.
>
>I much prefer a modern hotel with all the ameneties. I also
>like European hotels that are kinda sparse - stayed in a great
>one in Chamonix. I've also stayed in some that were so-so.
>
>-rashmi
>
>

Damn. You sound butch to me. Definitely, pants wearing kinda of gal.  I
enjoy B&Bs because they are much more personalized then a mega hotel. Heide
enjoys frilly and florals. I like the small towns they are usually located
in and the owners can be fun people too.


alec

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I also think it's interesting that the people who do the best at the
> end (especially in the grueling last immunity trial) are those who
> have some sort of interior life or spiritual practice.

What kind of interior life or spiritual practice did Brian have?

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> That may depend on when he has to run again.

2006

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At 05:04 PM 12/20/2002 +0000, rashmi wrote:
>I've spoken up here before about not being a B&B fan. I
>dread florals, chintz, frilly flounces - all of which
>abound in B&Bs. I hate that overstuffed B&B look.

Some definitely take the frou-frou bit too far.  There are some here that
haven't gone that route.

>Most
>B&B people seem to be cat lovers and I'm not. I like
>certain cats but don't go googoo over every cat in sight.

Most of the B&B owners we know have pets but generally, they are kept in
the owners' quarters.

>I much prefer a modern hotel with all the ameneties.

There <is> that...  We have come to avoid any place that bills its act or
is described as "quaint."  That usually means small rooms, low ceilings,
small beds, and things that if not in disrepair, look like they could fall
apart any moment.

cwv

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > I also think it's interesting that the people who do the best at the
> > end (especially in the grueling last immunity trial) are those who
> > have some sort of interior life or spiritual practice.
>
> What kind of interior life or spiritual practice did Brian have?

He talked about a couple of different thinks. Basically he felt that
the 'positive affirmations' he used every morning helped him stay
focused on the game qua game.

Karen

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
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>
> That may depend on when he has to run again.

He has four more years. And CNN says that people are thronging to his MS
district offices with condolences.

alyce

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The word that to me conjures up everything B&B is "twee".
I hate twee - it makes me shudder.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> He has four more years. And CNN says that people are thronging to his MS
> district offices with condolences.

Did they give any idea how many people constitute a "throng"?  I feel
sure there are people offering condolences.  He has had supporters
throughout the flap.  Some people in Pascagoula are said to have dropped
their newspaper subscriptions when his hometown paper came out with an
editorial last week saying he should be ousted as leader.  And I've seen
one letter to the editor saying that he was wonderful because the
Christian Whatever Organization kept tallies on votes and had noted that
his voting record is 100% for <Christian values>.  There have been some
others thrown in saying he should be forgiven, etc.  But negative
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>The word that to me conjures up everything B&B is "twee".
>I hate twee - it makes me shudder.     -rashmi

Many of the Bar Harbor B&Bs are like that.  But here's one that is not:

http://www.sunsetonwest.com/index-2.html

One of the rooms has the most incredible black art.  Huge, modern
canvases.  The staircase of the mansion is painted in bold, dark
contrasting colors.  Quite untwee.


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> his voting record is 100% for <Christian values>.  There have been some
> others thrown in saying he should be forgiven, etc.  But negative
> comments (letters, columns, etc.) have been far more numerous.

I should add that except for the <odd> cases like the <xtian values>
letter, the reasons I've read for being for him have mainly been
"because he helps the state" (porkily).  I've been happy to see that far
more letters have said "he's a huge embarrassment to the state -- get
rid of him."  Mississippians have never in general been favorable toward
being <bought> -- as in being for something because it brings material
advantages.  That attitude is stupid in many respects, imho -- like
being against federal aid when you're the poorest state in the country.
But it's some kind of a general <moral stance>.

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> The word that to me conjures up everything B&B is "twee".
> I hate twee - it makes me shudder.

Me too.

Butch

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I just thought about the fact that I'm pretty sure I still have
somewhere my old "Vote Wayne Dowdy" t-shirt from The Evil One's first
Senate race.  If it weren't so cold, I'd pull it out and wear it (except
that it is probably too little now -- it's from back when I used to put
t-shirts in the dryer).  Probably a good many people wouldn't remember
exactly when Wayne Dowdy ran, but some would and would find it funny.  I
was a major campaigner for Dowdy, not because I thought he would be all
that great a Senator but because I was so much against the EO.

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> >I've spoken up here before about not being a B&B fan. I
>  >dread florals, chintz, frilly flounces - all of which
>  >abound in B&Bs. I hate that overstuffed B&B look. Most
>  >B&B people seem to be cat lovers and I'm not. I like
>  >certain cats but don't go googoo over every cat in sight.

>  Damn. You sound butch to me. Definitely, pants wearing kinda of gal.  I
>  enjoy B&Bs because they are much more personalized then a mega hotel.
>Heide
>  enjoys frilly and florals.

I like the modern aesthetic -clean uncluttered lines appeal to me.
I like candles and almost always have fresh flowers around. Don't
know where that goes on the frilly scale.  Floral prints and angels
are the big no-nos.

-rashmi, who prefers her summer dresses non-frilly


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Does it count as staying at a B&B in Mississippi that I spent nights and
lots of days at what is now a very pretty B&B in Jackson?

http://www.millsapsbuiehouse.com/

It was owned by Boo, the grandmother of my cross-the-street neighbors,
the Buies, and my grandparents lived on the street behind Boo's house.
Sometimes we'd coordinate our grandparent visits and play in the
adjacent yards and all over Boo's house and my grandparents' apartment.
Sometimes I'd just go with Marjorie and Webster to Boo's house.  I have
many fond memories of that house, although I haven't been in it since it
was turned into a B&B.

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>From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU>
> >I much prefer a modern hotel with all the ameneties. I also
> >like European hotels that are kinda sparse - stayed in a great
> >one in Chamonix. I've also stayed in some that were so-so.
>
>Damn. You sound butch to me. Definitely, pants wearing kinda of gal.  I
>enjoy B&Bs because they are much more personalized then a mega hotel.

I'm butch like rashmi then. Probably my favorite hotel I ever stayed in (oh,
no second -- first was very expensive one in London), was the Listel Hotel
in Vancouver http://www.listel-vancouver.com/ Not a frill in sight and
everything smelled really good, like herbally-cedary. All the rooms had
original artwork, down comforters, modern furniture, and clean lines. I came
to stay at this hotel via an online discounter -- very good luck. I would
decorate my home like this place. No frills for me.

Marie

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>From: Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM>
>I like the modern aesthetic -clean uncluttered lines appeal to me.
>I like candles and almost always have fresh flowers around. Don't
>know where that goes on the frilly scale.  Floral prints and angels
>are the big no-nos.
>
>-rashmi, who prefers her summer dresses non-frilly

Yep. We're clones on this one for sure.

Marie

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>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>>the lepor colony near BR.  (Is that how you spell lepor?  It looks
>funny

It's leper.

Marie

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What's California dip? What's in it besides onion soup mix?

Marie
   lounge_ascher@hotmail.com





>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: H&C Pinwheels
>Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 06:52:14 -0600
>
>Here's another tried-and-true recipe.  I have no idea where it came from
>originally.  It might have been a newspaper recipe.  I have it written
>on an index card.  Anyway, it's quite popular with my party guests:
>
>       Ham & Cheese Pinwheels
>
>  1 cup Calif. Dip (made from Lipton's dry onion soup)
>  1 pkg. (3-oz.) cream cheese, softened
>  2 TBS chopped ripe olives
>  6 slices cooked ham
>  6 slices Swiss cheese
>
>  In small bowl, blend Calif. dip with cream cheese & olives.
>  Chill about 1 hour.  Spread mixture evenly on ham slices;
>  top with cheese slices, then more dip mixture.  Roll up &
>  wrap in waxed paper.  Chill at least 2 hours.  Cut each roll
>  into 1/2" slices.
>  (I normally double this recipe.  Doubling it makes it easier to
>   deal with the Calif. dip, since 1 pkg of soup makes 2 cups of dip.)
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


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> What's California dip? What's in it besides onion soup mix?
>
> Marie
>    lounge_ascher@hotmail.com


Sour cream - and usually by the end of the party, broken pieces of potato chip.


BrP

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>From: "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU>
> > What's California dip? What's in it besides onion soup mix?
>
>Sour cream - and usually by the end of the party, broken pieces of potato
>chip.

I've never heard it called that. It's just "onion dip" to me.

Marie

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Marie Ascher wrote:
> >>the lepor colony near BR.  (Is that how you spell lepor?  It looks
> >funny
>
> It's leper.

Yes, that looks better.  I knew lepor looked wrong.

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Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> What's California dip? What's in it besides onion soup mix?

Sour cream.  I think that's the only other ingredient.  The recipe has
for many, many years been on the side of the Lipton's onion soup boxes
and packets -- I think on some other brands of dry onion soup also.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Did they give any idea how many people constitute a "throng"?

No. They showed a guy who said he was a veteran (Viet Nam, I guess) and
he was very angry. Said it was Lott's right to free speech and he could
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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> Sour cream - and usually by the end of the party, broken pieces of potato chip.

At my xmas party last year I had some leftover Calif dip because I had
screwed up somehow in making extra h&c pinwheels and made twice as much
dip as necessary.  On a last-minute whim I stuck it out on the table
with all the other stuff and was amazed to find that people scarfed it
up more enthusiastically (at least judging from the bowls at the end of
the party) than the really good water chestnut dip that I had spent
effort in making.  No chips in the bowls, though.  The dip devices were
vegetables or crackers from the spread dishes if desired.

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Marie Ascher said:
> >From: "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU>
> > > What's California dip? What's in it besides onion soup mix?
> >
> >Sour cream - and usually by the end of the party, broken pieces of potato
> >chip.
>
> I've never heard it called that. It's just "onion dip" to me.

Me, too. I thought it had to have avocado for Californianess.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I've never heard it called that. It's just "onion dip" to me.
>
> Me, too. I thought it had to have avocado for Californianess.

It's always been called California dip by Lipton (and others).

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1 envelope soup, 16 oz sour cream -- that's all

http://chefwizard.home.mindspring.com/recipes/Liptons/The_Famous_Lipton_California_Dip.html

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Bonnie, I think you should go on Survivor. I think you'd be good at it.

Marie
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>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>Marie Ascher wrote:> > What's California dip? What's in it besides onion
>soup mix?
>
>Sour cream.  I think that's the only other ingredient.  The recipe has
>for many, many years been on the side of the Lipton's onion soup boxes
>and packets -- I think on some other brands of dry onion soup also.

I wonder of the packaging differs by region, 'cause I've never seen
"California Dip" before, and I'm a fan of onion dip. Must investigate.

Marie

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We always just called it onion dip too, but I knew that California was Lipton's word for
it so I just did the translation.

BrP





> 1 envelope soup, 16 oz sour cream -- that's all
>
> http://chefwizard.home.mindspring.com/recipes/Liptons/The_Famous_Lipton_California_Dip.html
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> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> I wonder of the packaging differs by region, 'cause I've never seen
> "California Dip" before, and I'm a fan of onion dip. Must investigate.
>
> Marie

I doubt that the California packages would call it Mississip dip.

BrP

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At 02:43 PM 12/20/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > > I've never heard it called that. It's just "onion dip" to me.
> >
> > Me, too. I thought it had to have avocado for Californianess.
>
>It's always been called California dip by Lipton (and others).
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

For more recipe ideas. check out http://www.recipesecrets.com/


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Natalie Maynor said:
> Marie Ascher wrote:
> > >>the lepor colony near BR.  (Is that how you spell lepor?  It looks
> > >funny
> >
> > It's leper.
>
> Yes, that looks better.  I knew lepor looked wrong.

But lepors spots change--they fall off.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > > I've never heard it called that. It's just "onion dip" to me.
> >
> > Me, too. I thought it had to have avocado for Californianess.
>
> It's always been called California dip by Lipton (and others).

But what do they know?

Karen

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Paul R. Barfoot said:
> We always just called it onion dip too, but I knew that California was Lipton's word for
> it so I just did the translation.

"I am bilingual in English and Lipton.":)

Karen

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Paul R. Barfoot said:
> > I wonder of the packaging differs by region, 'cause I've never seen
> > "California Dip" before, and I'm a fan of onion dip. Must investigate.
> >
> > Marie
>
> I doubt that the California packages would call it Mississip dip.

No, you'd have to add brown food coloring for that, and who would want
to eat it?

Hm. What do they call Mississippi Mud Pie in Mississippi?

Karen

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still no freaking power (except for tv, heat THANK GOD and now we've
hooked up the refrigerator to a live outlet, using an extension cord)

I don't watch tv.  Seems like we ought to be able to trade computer access
for tv.

Ann

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Ann Borkin said:
> still no freaking power (except for tv, heat THANK GOD and now we've
> hooked up the refrigerator to a live outlet, using an extension cord)
>
> I don't watch tv.  Seems like we ought to be able to trade computer access
> for tv.

Our lights blinked off last night. I thought of you.

Karen

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>Bonnie, I think you should go on Survivor. I think you'd be good at it.
>Marie

I doubt it.  39 days is more than enough time to see through my surface
charm.  Besides I couldn't do any of the water challenges.  I'd eat bugs
before I'd put my face in water.


    --bonniev

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Peter Jennings can't pronounce Pascagoula.

Karen

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> Peter Jennings can't pronounce Pascagoula.
>
> Karen

That's ok, neither can Tom Brokaw.


BrP

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alyce cresap wrote:
> > Did they give any idea how many people constitute a "throng"?
>
> No. They showed a guy who said he was a veteran (Viet Nam, I guess) and
> he was very angry. Said it was Lott's right to free speech and he could
> say whatever he wanted and that was the right this fellow fought for.

Hmm.  Did he think TL was being put in jail for what he said?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Hm. What do they call Mississippi Mud Pie in Mississippi?

Mississippi Mud Pie, I think.  I don't see it on menus very often but
have seen mixes for it in cute little gift tins in Mississippi gift
stores -- as in stores that sell Mississippi-related gift items (though
I don't think that pie originated in Mississippi -- didn't it originate
somewhere pretty far up the river?).

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bonniev said:
> I doubt it.  39 days is more than enough time to see through my surface
> charm.  Besides I couldn't do any of the water challenges.  I'd eat bugs
> before I'd put my face in water.

Do they always have water challenges?

Karen

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Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> still no freaking power (except for tv, heat THANK GOD and now we've
> hooked up the refrigerator to a live outlet, using an extension cord)

I was just about to ask you for a report.  You must have felt the
anticipatory vibes.

> I don't watch tv.  Seems like we ought to be able to trade computer access
> for tv.

I don't understand.  How can there be power for tv but not for a
computer?  Like can't you plug the computer in where the tv set is
plugged in?

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Peter Jennings can't pronounce Pascagoula.

Maybe there's a Canadian pronunciation.  How did he pronounce it?

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Here's one item re its origin:

**************************
"Mississippi mud pie.
A very dense chocolate pie that takes its name from the thick mud along
the banks of the Mississippi River. According to
Nathalie Dupree in New Southern Cooking (1986), the top is what she
calls "Mississippi Mud Cake" should be "cracked and
dry-looking like Mississippi mud in the hot, dry summer." It does,
however, seem to be of fairly recent origin; according to
Mississippi-born food authority Craig Claiborne, writing in 1987, "I
never heard of a Mississippi mud pie or Mississippi mud
cake until I moved North."
---Encyclopedia of American Food and Drink, John F. Mariani
[Lebhar-Friedman:New York] 1999 (p. 207)
**************************

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But then:

"Where did all this mud stuff start? Not many people are willing as John
(Chappy) Chapman...to venture an explanation.
Chapman, who grew up in New Orleans has spent all of his life in Gulf
Coast towns, said mud pie was invented ears ago in the
Vicksburg-Natchez area.,,,It was [mud pie]...a pre-baked pie crust
filled with "a layer of [baked ] chocolate cake, a layer of
chocolate pudding, another of cake, another of pudding, another of cake,
topped with chocolate icing." Sometimes people
added hot-fudge sauce and/or chocolate ice cream, he said."
---Mississippi Mud Pie (or Cake), Bernadette Wheeler, Newsday [New
York], July 13, 1988 Food (p. 7)

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Natalie Maynor said:
> I don't think that pie originated in Mississippi -- didn't it originate
> somewhere pretty far up the river?).

Don't know, don't care enough to Google.

Karen

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I can't find the mudpie mixes I was talking about.  But I found that one
can order an MSU basket or an Ole Miss basket for $59.95.  If any of you
still have xmas shopping to do, you should indeed consider such.  Or a
teddy-bear basket:

http://store.telepak.net/pecanhouse/gift_baskets.html

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But at a different store you can get Mississippi Mud Fudge Cake:

********
mississippi mud fudge cake
Mounds of chocolate chips with chopped pecans and walnuts enhance this
fudge
delight. Baked in a jar, ready to eat. 10 oz. jar. Cakes, Desserts.
*******
from: http://www.msgifts.com/

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > Peter Jennings can't pronounce Pascagoula.
>
> Maybe there's a Canadian pronunciation.  How did he pronounce it?

He spoonered it: Pascalouga. I played the tape 3 times.

I just found out that Robin Williams is Christopher Reeves' best
friend. No wonder he is getting back nerve function!

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Baked in a jar, ready to eat.

Is this a Southern thing?

Karen

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>bonniev said:
> > I doubt it.  39 days is more than enough time to see through my surface
> > charm.  Besides I couldn't do any of the water challenges.  I'd eat bugs
> > before I'd put my face in water.
>
>Do they always have water challenges?
>Karen

Either that or things that require swimming.  If they ever announced a
Survivor in some cold climate, I'd be tempted to apply.


    --bonniev

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bonniev said:
> >bonniev said:
> > > I doubt it.  39 days is more than enough time to see through my surface
> > > charm.  Besides I couldn't do any of the water challenges.  I'd eat bugs
> > > before I'd put my face in water.
> >
> >Do they always have water challenges?
> >Karen
>
> Either that or things that require swimming.  If they ever announced a
> Survivor in some cold climate, I'd be tempted to apply.

Not enough T and A.

Karen

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Got a catalog today which is a first for me.   That's understandable
because the catalog is addressed to Nancy Patterson at 15 Pine Street.   I
can't fault the post man for being confused.  He was delivering mail in a
downpour of rain all afternoon.

Anyway, everything in this catalog is $14.99.  Clever.  Mostly it is
Christmas stuff.  There is a very cute Santa Tree Skirt that Janet might be
interested in.  I checked out their web page.  On the web page the tree
skirt is only $8.97.

www.collectionsetc.com


    --bonniev

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>Probably my favorite hotel I ever stayed in (oh,
>no second -- first was very expensive one in London), was the Listel Hotel
>in Vancouver http://www.listel-vancouver.com/ Not a frill in sight and
>everything smelled really good, like herbally-cedary.
>Marie

Very nice.   By the way, I asked for a recommendation of motels from five
women B&B owners, explaining to them about wordslers and
Acadiafest.   These are five women that I am in a stitch'n'bitch with this
winter.  They recommended Edenbrook http://www.acadia.net/edenbrook/.  This
is the motel that a friend of Adam's stayed at last season.  It is right
next door to the Cleftstone where Clyde and I used to stay when we were
tourists and which is for the moment owned by one of the women in the
stitch'n'bitch.  They are in the process of selling the Cleftstone and
buying an Inn/restaurant in Wisconsin.

Another decent motel is http://www.cromwellharbor.com/

And the one where Marie's parents stayed is:  http://www.wonderviewinn.com/


    --bonniev

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Baked in a jar, ready to eat.
>
> Is this a Southern thing?

I don't know.  I've seen things like that in stores but don't know
anything about the process.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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"We urge all investors to avoid putting money into unsolicited
get-rich-quick offers of this type."

<http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,5652168%255E1702,00.html>

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On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 06:45:28PM +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> The word that to me conjures up everything B&B is "twee".
> I hate twee - it makes me shudder.

Wow, you are a ch*k who is like almost a guy in her tastes!
That's SO weird!

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On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 11:17:13AM -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > The word that to me conjures up everything B&B is "twee".
> > I hate twee - it makes me shudder.
>
> Me too.
>
> Butch

Oh we are REALLY cool!

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Natalie,

Did you talk to Frank today?

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Did you talk to Frank today?

Everything on campus closed yesterday afternoon -- technically not until
5:00 but in fact more like noon.  He'll presumably be back on Jan. 2,
when everything reopens.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Everything on campus closed yesterday afternoon -- technically not until

Except the library, of course.  It will be open during the holidays,
though not every day and not its usual hours.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:06:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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I just saw a woman come out of the Firm's 18th floor men's room.

I've been in SF for let's see 19 years but this is the first (I suppose)
transgender person I've 'met'.

She was very tall and elegant - definitely a client and not a lawyer.

But why did she choose the men's room.

Now I'm really confused.

Ann

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:16:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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> I don't understand.  How can there be power for tv but not for a
> computer?  Like can't you plug the computer in where the tv set is
> plugged in?

Right.  For some reason I just thought of that.  I'm not going to do it
though myself and Allan won't be back until Sunday. I think what's
happened is we keep thinking EVERY DAY that surely PG&E will plug us back in.

Maybe it happened today, here's hoping.

Ann

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Ann Borkin said:
> I just saw a woman come out of the Firm's 18th floor men's room.
>
> I've been in SF for let's see 19 years but this is the first (I suppose)
> transgender person I've 'met'.
>
> She was very tall and elegant - definitely a client and not a lawyer.
>
> But why did she choose the men's room.
>
> Now I'm really confused.

How do you know she was transgenered? Maybe she was just using the
men's room.

Karen

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On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Everything on campus closed yesterday afternoon -- technically not until
>5:00 but in fact more like noon.  He'll presumably be back on Jan. 2,
>when everything reopens.

Interesting. We close only for one week, then we reopen Dec. 30, 31 - and
close again for one day on Jan. 1. We officially closed at 5/6 p.m. The
English Dep't secretaries left at noon, but I think they were the only
ones who did.

I spent part of the week returning or renewing library books - they now
have to be presented for renewal once a year, so I had to cart lots of
them to the libe, then cart many of them back to my office.

Bethany

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> > Now I'm really confused.
>
> How do you know she was transgenered? Maybe she was just using the
> men's room.

Right.  I'm confused.  But it all made sense when I thought she [had been]
a man - tall, angular, kind of a nice firm set to the jaw :  I could see
it.

Ann

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> But why did she choose the men's room.

Two possibilities:  she didn't realize it was the men's room; the
women's room was full or out of order.  I've known lots of women who
have used men's restrooms on such occasions.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Interesting. We close only for one week, then we reopen Dec. 30, 31 - and

Why is this interesting?  I wouldn't expect everybody everywhere to have
precisely the same holidays.

--
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we got chocolate covered peanuts and a wonderful smelling candle.  Thank
you  Bonnie and Clyde!  What a nice surprise to come home to after my
second shopping excursion today!

Betty

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:27:54 -0800 (PST)
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> Two possibilities:  she didn't realize it was the men's room; the
> women's room was full or out of order.  I've known lots of women who
> have used men's restrooms on such occasions.

Not out of order. Certainly not full.

She didn't look stupid but maybe . . .  (the men's and women's are face to
face and equal, so to speak.

bye
Ann

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> Right.  For some reason I just thought of that.  I'm not going to do it
> though myself and Allan won't be back until Sunday. I think what's
> happened is we keep thinking EVERY DAY that surely PG&E will plug us back in.

So it's a partial outage in the sense that selected outlets in a house
are operational?  That seems strange.  In fact, I'm not at all sure how
it works.  Doesn't the <juice> come into the house in one big lump
before spreading itself out through the different internal wires?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> Right.  I'm confused.  But it all made sense when I thought she [had been]
> a man - tall, angular, kind of a nice firm set to the jaw :  I could see
> it.

Iow, you think he went into the restroom and she came out?

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> She didn't look stupid but maybe . . .  (the men's and women's are face to
> face and equal, so to speak.

Surely Bethany knows of cases of people in McClung Tower on the UT
campus going into the wrong restrooms.  The men's and women's restrooms
are in the staircase (well, sort of off the staircase, I guess I should
say), with the genders alternating by floor.  It was very easy to forget
which landing you were on and walk into the wrong one.  I'm pretty sure
that the doors were labeled, of course, but it was still easy for people
used to those alternating restrooms to miscount the flights of steps and
barge into the wrong one.

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Betty wrote:

> second shopping excursion today!

What did you buy?  I miss Nancy Harwood's last-minute shopping tales.
Not only is my shopping done, the gifts are already given.  Tis truly
over (except for taking the cheese-bacon crispies to the nursing home --
and, of course, the ham-cheese pinwheels for the party).

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>we got chocolate covered peanuts and a wonderful smelling candle.  Thank
>you  Bonnie and Clyde!  What a nice surprise to come home to after my
>second shopping excursion today!     --Betty

You are welcome.  Note that the candle is shaped like a cinnamon bun which
Larry now bakes.  And the nuts are not just peanuts.  All different kinds
of nuts.  You are next in line for colorful socks, Betty.  I already have
the yarn.  I wish you would send me those green socks so that I can knit
new feet into them.


    --bonniev

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Ann Borkin said:
> > > Now I'm really confused.
> >
> > How do you know she was transgenered? Maybe she was just using the
> > men's room.
>
> Right.  I'm confused.  But it all made sense when I thought she [had been]
> a man - tall, angular, kind of a nice firm set to the jaw :  I could see
> it.

It thought it was the Adam's apple more than the jaw that's telling.

Karen

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On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 07:34:53PM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Not only is my shopping done, the gifts are already given.  Tis truly
> over (except for taking the cheese-bacon crispies to the nursing home --
> and, of course, the ham-cheese pinwheels for the party).

Yay!

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>Surely Bethany knows of cases of people in McClung Tower on the UT
>campus going into the wrong restrooms.  The men's and women's restrooms
>are in the staircase (well, sort of off the staircase,
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I was thinking about those bathrooms in the stairwells just the other
day.  Good old McClung Tower.  Many happy memories.


    --bonniev

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On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 08:34:47PM -0500, bonniev wrote:
> You are welcome.  Note that the candle is shaped like a cinnamon bun which
> Larry now bakes.  And the nuts are not just peanuts.  All different kinds
> of nuts.  You are next in line for colorful socks, Betty.  I already have
> the yarn.  I wish you would send me those green socks so that I can knit
> new feet into them.

With every word of this I fill with hate.

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Ann Borkin said:
> > Two possibilities:  she didn't realize it was the men's room; the
> > women's room was full or out of order.  I've known lots of women who
> > have used men's restrooms on such occasions.
>
> Not out of order. Certainly not full.
>
> She didn't look stupid but maybe . . .  (the men's and women's are face to
> face and equal, so to speak.

I've done this before, when I really had to go.

Karen

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >Surely Bethany knows of cases of people in McClung Tower on the UT
> >campus going into the wrong restrooms.  The men's and women's restrooms
> >are in the staircase (well, sort of off the staircase,
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> I was thinking about those bathrooms in the stairwells just the other
> day.  Good old McClung Tower.  Many happy memories.

I shouldn't have left you out!  I was thinking of Bethany since she's
still there.  Yes, I also have happy memories.  And I am riddled with
sadness when I think about what they did to the 12th-floor lounge.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> sadness when I think about what they did to the 12th-floor lounge.

And I still am fascinated at the thought of how many times you and I no
doubt saw each other without knowing each other.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 07:34 PM 12/20/2002 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > second shopping excursion today!
>
>What did you buy?  I miss Nancy Harwood's last-minute shopping tales.
>Not only is my shopping done, the gifts are already given.  Tis truly
>over (except for taking the cheese-bacon crispies to the nursing home --
>and, of course, the ham-cheese pinwheels for the party).

On the first excursion we bought some stocking stuffers plus a new purse,
socks, and bed ruffle for me. On the second excursion I took care of my MIL
with a new shirt and my co-worker with a bracelet.

Betty

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At 08:34 PM 12/20/2002 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>we got chocolate covered peanuts and a wonderful smelling candle.  Thank
>>you  Bonnie and Clyde!  What a nice surprise to come home to after my
>>second shopping excursion today!     --Betty
>
>You are welcome.  Note that the candle is shaped like a cinnamon bun which
>Larry now bakes.  And the nuts are not just peanuts.  All different kinds
>of nuts.  You are next in line for colorful socks, Betty.  I already have
>the yarn.  I wish you would send me those green socks so that I can knit
>new feet into them.

Oh, I'll have to eat more!  I've started on wine now though.  The green
socks are just sitting there on the floor waiting for me to launder them
first.  I haven't been in the mood to do stuff like that.

Betty

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>I shouldn't have left you out!  I was thinking of Bethany since she's
>still there.  Yes, I also have happy memories.  And I am riddled with
>sadness when I think about what they did to the 12th-floor lounge.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Indeed.   I loved that 12th floor lounge.   And many a happy seminar in the
12th floor classrooms.


    --bonniev

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> > sadness when I think about what they did to the 12th-floor lounge.
>
>And I still am fascinated at the thought of how many times you and I no
>doubt saw each other without knowing each other.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

There and at the old L&N.   How times have changed.


    --bonniev

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At 07:35 PM 12/20/2002 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 07:34:53PM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Not only is my shopping done, the gifts are already given.  Tis truly
> > over (except for taking the cheese-bacon crispies to the nursing home --
> > and, of course, the ham-cheese pinwheels for the party).
>
>Yay!

I'd rather eat chocolate!  You need to suck up to Bonnie so that she will
send you chocolate covered nuts and maybe knit you a hat to keep your
little bald head warm.

Betty

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At 07:36 PM 12/20/2002 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 08:34:47PM -0500, bonniev wrote:
> > You are welcome.  Note that the candle is shaped like a cinnamon bun which
> > Larry now bakes.  And the nuts are not just peanuts.  All different kinds
> > of nuts.  You are next in line for colorful socks, Betty.  I already have
> > the yarn.  I wish you would send me those green socks so that I can knit
> > new feet into them.
>
>With every word of this I fill with hate.


This is so sad.

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> > You are welcome.  Note that the candle is shaped like a cinnamon bun which
> > Larry now bakes.  And the nuts are not just peanuts.  All different kinds
> > of nuts.  You are next in line for colorful socks, Betty.  I already have
> > the yarn.  I wish you would send me those green socks so that I can knit
> > new feet into them.
>
>With every word of this I fill with hate.

Why?  What are you doing for Christmas, Tushar?  Did you give your Secret
Santa gift yet?


    --bonniev

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At 07:38 PM 12/20/2002 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>bonniev wrote:
> >
> > >Surely Bethany knows of cases of people in McClung Tower on the UT
> > >campus going into the wrong restrooms.  The men's and women's restrooms
> > >are in the staircase (well, sort of off the staircase,
> > >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> >
> > I was thinking about those bathrooms in the stairwells just the other
> > day.  Good old McClung Tower.  Many happy memories.
>
>I shouldn't have left you out!  I was thinking of Bethany since she's
>still there.  Yes, I also have happy memories.  And I am riddled with
>sadness when I think about what they did to the 12th-floor lounge.

Did you sneak in there and smoke?

Betty

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Karen Kay said:
> Ann Borkin said:
> > > > Now I'm really confused.
> > >
> > > How do you know she was transgenered? Maybe she was just using the
> > > men's room.
> >
> > Right.  I'm confused.  But it all made sense when I thought she [had been]
> > a man - tall, angular, kind of a nice firm set to the jaw :  I could see
> > it.
>
> It thought it was the Adam's apple more than the jaw that's telling.

*I* thought. No *it*.

I can't believe I'm still hung over.

Karen

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Tushar Samant said:
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 08:34:47PM -0500, bonniev wrote:
> > You are welcome.  Note that the candle is shaped like a cinnamon bun which
> > Larry now bakes.  And the nuts are not just peanuts.  All different kinds
> > of nuts.  You are next in line for colorful socks, Betty.  I already have
> > the yarn.  I wish you would send me those green socks so that I can knit
> > new feet into them.
>
> With every word of this I fill with hate.

TWEE!


Karen

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>I'd rather eat chocolate!  You need to suck up to Bonnie so that she will
>send you chocolate covered nuts and maybe knit you a hat to keep your
>little bald head warm.     --Betty

I could do that.   You should have come to Snow Bash, T Bone.  You could
have fallen in love with my chocolate-covered nuts like Betty did.   I
definitely could knit you a hat.  I do watch hats:  wide rib, turn over
edge.   What color would you like?  I just made a nice black one for
someone in Vermont.


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:

> >And I still am fascinated at the thought of how many times you and I no
> >doubt saw each other without knowing each other.
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> There and at the old L&N.   How times have changed.

As I have said before, I think when thinking about things like this
about who I might be seeing now and not knowing but will someday know
well.  I guess not many people, though, since I know most of the people
I see now and since the future isn't as long as it used to be.  But I
also think about who I might have seen in the past and not known but
know now.  It's easy to figure out that I saw you many times.  It simply
had to have been.  But I might have sat beside mem or DorisM or boo or
who knows who on an airplane or passed them when walking into a
restaurant somewhere or whatever.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>>I shouldn't have left you out!  I was thinking of Bethany since she's
>>still there.  Yes, I also have happy memories.  And I am riddled with
>>sadness when I think about what they did to the 12th-floor lounge.
>
>Did you sneak in there and smoke?
>Betty

Those were the good old days.  You could smoke in there without having to
sneak.


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor said:
> And I still am fascinated at the thought of how many times you and I no
> doubt saw each other without knowing each other.

I sometimes think about all the hours I wasted in Syracuse without
knowing that Paul Barfoot was there.

Karen

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Betty wrote:

> socks, and bed ruffle for me. On the second excursion I took care of my MIL

Spencer somehow makes my bed ruffle get dirty.  The bad thing is that I
sometimes don't notice its dirtiness -- like it was when I was showing
my Japanese friends around my house last summer that I suddenly noticed
that the dust ruffle was brown with mud and crud.  (I don't think I've
ever heard "bed ruffle" before.  I repeated it in my reply because you
had said it, but then I noticed it when I was typing "dust ruffle"
later.  I assume that a bed ruffle is the same thing as what I've always
called a dust ruffle.)

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Betty wrote:

> Did you sneak in there and smoke?

I don't think sneaking was required back then.  But I was a non-smoker
during that time period.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Betty said:
> At 07:35 PM 12/20/2002 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 07:34:53PM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > > Not only is my shopping done, the gifts are already given.  Tis truly
> > > over (except for taking the cheese-bacon crispies to the nursing home --
> > > and, of course, the ham-cheese pinwheels for the party).
> >
> >Yay!
>
> I'd rather eat chocolate!  You need to suck up to Bonnie so that she will
> send you chocolate covered nuts and maybe knit you a hat to keep your
> little bald head warm.

His head is not little.

Karen

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>I don't think sneaking was required back then.  But I was a non-smoker
>during that time period.      -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I think I was too.   It was toward the end of my graduate school career
that I began to smoke.


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:

> I think I was too.   It was toward the end of my graduate school career
> that I began to smoke.

I had smoked earlier but quit when I met the person I ended up marrying
and didn't start back until after we were divorced.

--
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My Norton suddenly started doing its thing.  But this reminds me that I
have not yet been able to tell it to renew my antivirus subscription
since it keeps telling me page not found.  I'm getting annoyed at
Symantec.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Betty wrote:
> > socks, and bed ruffle for me. On the second excursion I took care of my MIL
>
> Spencer somehow makes my bed ruffle get dirty.  The bad thing is that I
> sometimes don't notice its dirtiness -- like it was when I was showing
> my Japanese friends around my house last summer that I suddenly noticed
> that the dust ruffle was brown with mud and crud.  (I don't think I've
> ever heard "bed ruffle" before.  I repeated it in my reply because you
> had said it, but then I noticed it when I was typing "dust ruffle"
> later.  I assume that a bed ruffle is the same thing as what I've always
> called a dust ruffle.)

I've always called it a dust ruffle, too. I've never really understood
them.

Karen

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On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Interesting. We close only for one week, then we reopen Dec. 30, 31 - and
>
>Why is this interesting?  I wouldn't expect everybody everywhere to have
>precisely the same holidays.

Probably for the same reason that, say, language variation is
interesting. I find a 10-day holiday period rather lengthy.

Bethany

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On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Surely Bethany knows of cases of people in McClung Tower on the UT
>campus going into the wrong restrooms.  The men's and women's restrooms
>are in the staircase (well, sort of off the staircase, I guess I should
>say), with the genders alternating by floor.  It was very easy to forget
>which landing you were on and walk into the wrong one.  I'm pretty sure
>that the doors were labeled, of course, but it was still easy for people
>used to those alternating restrooms to miscount the flights of steps and
>barge into the wrong one.

No, not really. I suppose it happens. I seldom use those rooms now. I am
but a level away from the women's room on the 12th floor. I generally use
it. There are a few of us on the 11th floor who tend to regard it as our
<private> room.

I do get amused when a male in desperate straits appears at my door to ask
if there is a  men's room anywhere in the bldg. A lawyer arrived to see me
last week practially crossing his legs as he walked.

Bethany

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On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I shouldn't have left you out!  I was thinking of Bethany since she's
>still there.  Yes, I also have happy memories.  And I am riddled with
>sadness when I think about what they did to the 12th-floor lounge.

A friend and I used to eat a picnic lunch there on football days and
watch the stadium fill before we walked over for the game. It's a
different universe, folks.

The 11th floor is now the best floor in the bldg.

Bethany

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On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, bonniev wrote:

>Indeed.   I loved that 12th floor lounge.   And many a happy seminar in the
>12th floor classrooms.

Ah - so Bonnie was a student as well as Kyle's employee. What did she
study here?

Bethany

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Bethany K. Dumas said:
> On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, bonniev wrote:
>
> >Indeed.   I loved that 12th floor lounge.   And many a happy seminar in the
> >12th floor classrooms.
>
> Ah - so Bonnie was a student as well as Kyle's employee. What did she
> study here?

Philosophy.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I've always called it a dust ruffle, too. I've never really understood
> them.

Understood them how?  As in their function?  To me their function is to
fill in the gaps when you don't have a full-fledged bedspread -- to
cover up whatever you have doesn't cover up.  I would rather have a
full-fledged bedspread, but they seem to be increasingly hard to find.
I've had quilts for years now, except that I now have for winter a
comforter instead of a quilt.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Probably for the same reason that, say, language variation is
> interesting. I find a 10-day holiday period rather lengthy.

I dunno.  The total number of holidays per year is 17.  I remember that
from some calendar work I did a while back.  That's pretty many, I
guess, though not as many as White House employees get.  I was amazed to
find that my RRN has about a month off for xmas.

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On 20 Dec 2002 at 17:27, Ann Borkin wrote:

> She didn't look stupid but maybe . . .  (the men's and women's are face to
> face and equal, so to speak.

If one has any doubt whatsovever in such a situation, it is far
safer to choose the men's room.


    mem

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

>  There are a few of us on the 11th floor who tend to regard it as our

Why are you on the 11th floor?  When did the English Dept move up that
high?

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >sadness when I think about what they did to the 12th-floor lounge.
>
> A friend and I used to eat a picnic lunch there on football days and
> watch the stadium fill before we walked over for the game. It's a
> different universe, folks.

What's a different universe?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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It's beginning to feel a lot <not> like Christmas here in downeast
Maine.  We are in about the fourth hour of what promises to be a
nearly-all-night storm:  30 mph winds with gusts to 35 or so, temperature
at 52F (at 2130 EST), and the rain, heavy at times, is horizontal.  The
raor of the winds outside is nearly constant, save for the louder roar
during a gust---often combined with the sound of rain pelting against the
south and southwest faces of the house.  The outdoor lights drowned out a
couple of hours ago; the satellite TV signal is intermittent.  This seems
to be a biggy---although probably not nearly like Ann apparently
experienced.  Bonnie just came up from the basement---we have some pooled
water.  Generally, our basement stays drier than most others, so I suspect
that some places in the village are very wet tonight.

It's strange to think that yesterday we took advantage of great weather and
walked the Hadlock Pond carriage road loop to the waterfall.  Yesterday was
bright, sunny, cloudless, in the high 30s, with only a slight breeze.  The
carriage road was mostly clear, although there was one stretch where I used
my ice-grippers.  I had thought that the waterfall might be nice, given all
of the rain we have had, followed by cold weather.  It surpassed my
expectations--the best I've seen it.  The masses of ice cascaded down the
fall, establishing several layers.  As we snacked on our Balance Bars and
water, we could hear the water flowing behind the ice and could see the
water flowing down below the other side of the bridge.  Another couple came
up the trail; they were amazed at the sight of the waterfall, which they
first saw as they rounded a curve in the trail; they were more amazed when
I told them that Rockefeller had deliberately designed the archway under
the bridge to frame the sight of the waterfall.  On the way back down, we
went past the area where the ice flows develop over the vertical rock faces
and some years, cover the carriage road.  The flows are developing and were
beautiful in the sunlight; this may be one of those years when they again
cover the road.  I'll have to go back.

Anyhow, I'm glad we took the walk yesterday.

cwv

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Ah - so Bonnie was a student as well as Kyle's employee. What did she
> study here?

She got a PhD in Philosophy there in the mid '70s and hung out in <all
the right places> -- the 12th floor of McClung and the L&N on Friday
afternoons -- the real L&N -- not that place that now calls itself the
L&N.  The real L&N with its wonderful big wood tables with sperm-shaped
holes in them, etc.  Oh to be eating spiders and drinking beer and
listening to Elton John singing "Philadelphia Freedom."  Those were good
years.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>The real L&N with its wonderful big wood tables with sperm-shaped
>holes in them, etc.  Oh to be eating spiders and drinking beer and
>listening to Elton John singing "Philadelphia Freedom."  Those were good
>years.       -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

And don't forget the rats scurrying on the floor in the lower level.  All
part of the charm.  And that old classic car (Porsche ?) that was left
covered in the parking lot for years.


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > I've always called it a dust ruffle, too. I've never really understood
> > them.
>
> Understood them how?  As in their function?  To me their function is to
> fill in the gaps when you don't have a full-fledged bedspread -- to
> cover up whatever you have doesn't cover up.

I don't feel a need cover anything up--but I've never owned a bed,
either, so what do I know.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> guess, though not as many as White House employees get.  I was amazed to
> find that my RRN has about a month off for xmas.

That's because they aren't in session. I bet he works horrible hours
when they are in session.

Karen

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At 05:55 PM 12/20/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>Natalie Maynor said:
> > Betty wrote:
> > > socks, and bed ruffle for me. On the second excursion I took care of
> my MIL
> >
> > Spencer somehow makes my bed ruffle get dirty.  The bad thing is that I
> > sometimes don't notice its dirtiness -- like it was when I was showing
> > my Japanese friends around my house last summer that I suddenly noticed
> > that the dust ruffle was brown with mud and crud.  (I don't think I've
> > ever heard "bed ruffle" before.  I repeated it in my reply because you
> > had said it, but then I noticed it when I was typing "dust ruffle"
> > later.  I assume that a bed ruffle is the same thing as what I've always
> > called a dust ruffle.)
>
>I've always called it a dust ruffle, too. I've never really understood
>them.

If you have a quilt that doesn't cover the box springs , it helps.

Betty

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I don't feel a need cover anything up--but I've never owned a bed,

What do you sleep on?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 06:48 PM 12/20/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>Natalie Maynor said:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> > > I've always called it a dust ruffle, too. I've never really understood
> > > them.
> >
> > Understood them how?  As in their function?  To me their function is to
> > fill in the gaps when you don't have a full-fledged bedspread -- to
> > cover up whatever you have doesn't cover up.
>
>I don't feel a need cover anything up--but I've never owned a bed,
>either, so what do I know.

I have things hidden under the bed that you don't want to see.

Betty

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > guess, though not as many as White House employees get.  I was amazed to
> > find that my RRN has about a month off for xmas.
>
> That's because they aren't in session. I bet he works horrible hours
> when they are in session.

I didn't know that the WH had sessions.  What does that mean?  I'm not
sure exactly what his hours are, but I don't think they're horrible at
all -- they're something fairly normal, I think.

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bonniev wrote:

> And don't forget the rats scurrying on the floor in the lower level.  All
> part of the charm.  And that old classic car (Porsche ?) that was left
> covered in the parking lot for years.

It's amazing I made it home some of those Fridays.  Fortunately it was
an easy route.  I rolled down that steep hill onto Western Avenue,
turned right, and drove for something like eight miles before turning
left and being home.  Problem is that I never could find it the last
time I was in Kville.  I drove out Western (aka Oak Ridge Hwy) and
turned left somewhere in the right vicinity but then got hopelessly
lost.  I plan to try it again sometime.

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On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>>  There are a few of us on the 11th floor who tend to regard it as our
>
>Why are you on the 11th floor?  When did the English Dept move up that
>high?

Oh, didn't I tell you? In 1997, history left for Dunford Hall (where
English SHOULD have gone). That left the 11th floor vacant. Classics
moved there. But Classics is a tiny dep't (in spite of the resurgence in
interest in Latin) - so, others of us moved there independently of our
departments. We tend to be either renegades or ex-dep't chairs (Charlie
Reynolds, John Rohmeiser) - a lot of us have pissed off some Deans in
recent years. Tom H. is up there, and a couple of new people in
English. I love being with the other renegades, having classics profs
nearby, and being away from the throngs on the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th
floors. (Some of our adjuncts are on 12.)

Also - each of us has what was a double office (2 people), so I have the
largest office I have ever had at a univ. I have been here since
mid-semester Fall 1997.

Bethany

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On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> A friend and I used to eat a picnic lunch there on football days and
>> watch the stadium fill before we walked over for the game. It's a
>> different universe, folks.
>
>What's a different universe?

What are we talking about? The 12th floor, so far as I can tell.

Bethany

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--On Friday, December 20, 2002, 8:45 PM -0600 Natalie Maynor
<natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

> Understood them how?  As in their function?  To me their function is to
> fill in the gaps when you don't have a full-fledged bedspread -- to
> cover up whatever you have doesn't cover up.  I would rather have a
> full-fledged bedspread, but they seem to be increasingly hard to find.
> I've had quilts for years now, except that I now have for winter a
> comforter instead of a quilt.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Bedspreads are indeed hard to find.  Last year I searched everywhere for
one for my Dad.  I finally found one at L.L. Bean.  Everyone locally said
comforters and dust ruffles are the trend.

This year I went on the curtain hunt.  I figured the green Americana design
was due for retirement.  Besides, it doesn't go with the walls and
bedspread.  This almost proved daunting, but I did manage to find some not
flowery or sheer curtains.

Have any of you noticed a candy cane shortage?  There seemed to be a
limited supply to the local drugstores (CVS & Brooks) and Benny's.  They
had all run out early in the week.  The grocery store didn't have many left
either.  Maybe they didn't order as many this year.

Terry

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Also, the views from the 11th floor are excellent.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Also - each of us has what was a double office (2 people), so I have the
> largest office I have ever had at a univ. I have been here since
> mid-semester Fall 1997.

Have you knocked down the door yet?  Or was it a wall you were going to
knock down?

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >> A friend and I used to eat a picnic lunch there on football days and
> >> watch the stadium fill before we walked over for the game. It's a
> >> different universe, folks.
> >
> >What's a different universe?
>
> What are we talking about? The 12th floor, so far as I can tell.

Oh.  I guess I interpreted "folks" to be a wider audience than just
Bonnie and me.  And I've seen the 12th floor since it got ruined.  I
went up there on some trip to Kville, can't remember when, and was
horrified.  A kind person let me come into an office to look out at the
view I remembered.  But it was sad.  I wept.

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On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> I don't feel a need cover anything up--but I've never owned a bed,
>
>What do you sleep on?

I don't know what Karen sleeps on, but I purchased my first and only bed
only about 7 years ago. Before that, I slept mostly on a bed frame +
mattress.

Bethany

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > I don't feel a need cover anything up--but I've never owned a bed,
>
> What do you sleep on?

A futon.

Karen

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Betty said:
> I have things hidden under the bed that you don't want to see.

LOL. TMI, Betty, TMI!

Karen

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Terry Wild wrote:

> Have any of you noticed a candy cane shortage?  There seemed to be a

I haven't looked, but a friend at lunch a few days ago had a couple of
tiny candy canes he had acquired somewhere.  I ate both of them.  Not
that I really like candy canes, but they were there and he didn't want
them.

Where's Alan?  Did he read the raves and thank-yous a couple of days
ago?  That really is the best peanut brittle I've ever encountered in my
life.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> I don't know what Karen sleeps on, but I purchased my first and only bed
> only about 7 years ago. Before that, I slept mostly on a bed frame +
> mattress.

I don't understand.  What's the difference between a bed and a bedframe
+ mattress?  No box springs?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> A futon.

US style or Japanese style?

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > I have things hidden under the bed that you don't want to see.
>
> LOL. TMI, Betty, TMI!

Is there anybody who doesn't store strange items under the bed?  Or at
least anyone who has a bed.

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>Is there anybody who doesn't store strange items under the bed?  Or at
>least anyone who has a bed.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I don't anymore.  It felt utterly luxurious to move to this house and have
enough storage space without using the under-the-bed space.   There is not
a thing under our bed upstairs.  Down here I have a table under the bed,
legs folded up, and right now a picture that was hanging on the wall where
I put the wreath.


    --bonniev

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> Oooooh.... you and me both!!! He was my favorite. I remember one
> story where
> he solved the puzzle by looking at the upside down reflection of something
> in a spoon.
>
> Sandra

The only one I remember for sure was the one he solved by noticing how
squirrels go down tree trunks.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Bethany K. Dumas said:
> I don't know what Karen sleeps on, but I purchased my first and only bed
> only about 7 years ago. Before that, I slept mostly on a bed frame +
> mattress.

I don't understand why a bed frame and mattress isn't a bed. What's
different?

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > A futon.
>
> US style or Japanese style?

What's the difference?

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Is there anybody who doesn't store strange items under the bed?  Or at
> least anyone who has a bed.

Don't know.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > US style or Japanese style?
>
> What's the difference?

Japanese ones go on the floor (and are normally moved in the day time,
although that obviously isn't a requirement of the definition).  The
things I've seen called futons in US furniture stores are of two kinds.
One is basically what I'd call a flimsy couch thing that has a pad for
the seating and that I think the back folds down on -- making it like a
bed.  The other is sort of beanbaggish.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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I quick googling for futon popped up these pictures:

http://www.thefutonshop.com/

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--On Friday, December 20, 2002, 9:16 PM -0600 Natalie Maynor
<natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

> Where's Alan?  Did he read the raves and thank-yous a couple of days
> ago?  That really is the best peanut brittle I've ever encountered in my
> life.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


He's around.  I'm not sure if he's reading much right now.  He was the last
holdout for the headcold in our family and finally succumbed this week.  I
did mention to him earlier your and Bethany's comments.  I'm really glad
you enjoyed it.  It is a fun task to do.  We managed to get it rather thin
this year.

 I can't remember which of you will be the recipient, but one package will
be wrapped in brown paper.  I questioned my friendly postmaster Charlie who
said he knew of no rules regarding wrapping boxes in brown paper.  He said
not to reuse boxes which had any chemicals or cheese in it.

There is a unique story about Charlie.  Many years ago when Lillia was
about 1 year old, he dressed as Santa with hat and beard.  She was
immediately terrified and went on an anti-beard phase for about 6 months.
Even after Christmas when Charlie returned to his normal look, she refused
to talk to him or have anything to do with him.  She was quite 'put out' by
the whole adventure.

Terry

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Japanese ones go on the floor (and are normally moved in the day time,
> although that obviously isn't a requirement of the definition).  The
> things I've seen called futons in US furniture stores are of two kinds.
> One is basically what I'd call a flimsy couch thing that has a pad for
> the seating and that I think the back folds down on -- making it like a
> bed.  The other is sort of beanbaggish.

Hm. Then mine is Japanese style.

Karen

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On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> I don't know what Karen sleeps on, but I purchased my first and only bed
>> only about 7 years ago. Before that, I slept mostly on a bed frame +
>> mattress.
>
>I don't understand.  What's the difference between a bed and a bedframe
>+ mattress?  No box springs?

A bed has rigid sides, head(board), etc.

Bethany

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Bethany K. Dumas said:
> A bed has rigid sides, head(board), etc.

Hm.

Karen

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At 10:38 PM 12/20/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >> I don't know what Karen sleeps on, but I purchased my first and only bed
> >> only about 7 years ago. Before that, I slept mostly on a bed frame +
> >> mattress.
> >
> >I don't understand.  What's the difference between a bed and a bedframe
> >+ mattress?  No box springs?
>
>A bed has rigid sides, head(board), etc.

Hm.  Maybe I don't have a bed.  I don't have a headboard.

Betty

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John Stossel had a piece on <interesting> collectibles on 20/20 tonight.

Karen

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I saw a woman walk out of the men's room today. Because I was
"standing guard". I am sure everyone was really interested to
know this ... However, at places where there are lines (such
as "festivals" etc) nowadays I have enough shamelessness to
divert women the "other" way. All you have to do is come out,
make some dumb joke about it not being all that gross and
wave some poor character in. Of course it has to be a one-
person fixture ... It's not just me--The **** ****, one of
the nicest bars on the north side, has one restroom for women
and one for men and women.

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If Mom has to undergo radiation or chemo, what can we expect?

Evelyn

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On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 09:19:16PM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= Karen Kay wrote:
= > > I have things hidden under the bed that you don't want to see.
= >
= > LOL. TMI, Betty, TMI!
=
= Is there anybody who doesn't store strange items under the bed?  Or at
= least anyone who has a bed.
=

There is only dust under my bed.  And not much of that because we
vaccuum under there.

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>Bethany K. Dumas said:
> > A bed has rigid sides, head(board), etc.
>
>Hm.
>Karen

I have to agree with Bethany, much as it distresses me.   I also have never
bought a bed in my life.  Both of our "beds" are simply mattress and box
spring on a metal frame.  No headboard.  No foot board.   No bed.  Just
mattress and box spring, lifted from floor level by the metal frames that
used to be given away at stores when you bought your mattress and box
spring.  The metal frame does have some fittings onto which a headboard
could be affixed.  But I've never seen the point of spending money for a
useless piece of wood.


    --bonniev

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>-The **** ****, one of
>the nicest bars on the north side, has one restroom for women
>and one for men and women.

A number of the restaurants in Bar Harbor have unisex toilets.   Often
there are two of them.  But they are unmarked.  Either will do.


    --bonniev

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > Japanese ones go on the floor (and are normally moved in the day time,
> > although that obviously isn't a requirement of the definition).  The
> > things I've seen called futons in US furniture stores are of two kinds.
> > One is basically what I'd call a flimsy couch thing that has a pad for
> > the seating and that I think the back folds down on -- making it like a
> > bed.  The other is sort of beanbaggish.
>
> Hm. Then mine is Japanese style.

The pad itself that's on the flimsy couch things called futons that you
see in US stores is similar to a Japanese futon, but I've never seen the
pads sold by themselves here.  (But then I haven't really looked hard.)
The stores seem to call the whole device a futon, and apparently the
idea is that one sleeps on it on the frame thing -- as in not on the
floor.

Do you have a good place for airing yours?  I liked sleeping on a futon
in my tatami room in Japan (which I did only when I had guests in the
bedrooms, both of which had regular beds), but I didn't want to do it
regularly because of the hassle of hanging it out with the futon hooks
on the balcony, etc.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >I don't understand.  What's the difference between a bed and a bedframe
> >+ mattress?  No box springs?
>
> A bed has rigid sides, head(board), etc.

Hmm.  My definition of bed has always been much looser than that.  I've
always thought I had a bed, but I guess not.  I might have had a bed in
childhood -- can't really remember now -- but have not had one since
then.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Terry Wild wrote:

>  I'm really glad
> you enjoyed it.  It is a fun task to do.  We managed to get it rather thin
> this year.

My thank-you was directed to Alan since he's always the one who mentions
the pb on the list, and I've had the impression somehow that it was his
special man-in-the-kitchen event, even though the card says The Wilds,
not just Alan.  So thank you also!!

> Even after Christmas when Charlie returned to his normal look, she refused
> to talk to him or have anything to do with him.  She was quite 'put out' by
> the whole adventure.

I love it!

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Betty wrote:

> >A bed has rigid sides, head(board), etc.
>
> Hm.  Maybe I don't have a bed.  I don't have a headboard.

I have a headboard now, though I haven't always -- and it's unrelated to
the frame that holds the mattress and box springs.  I added it later.  I
haven't always had headboards, though, and can't remember ever having
sides.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> If Mom has to undergo radiation or chemo, what can we expect?

The reactions seem to vary.  I know some people who have been lucky
enough to have very mild, almost non-existent, reactions, while others
suffer quite a bit.

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At 08:34 AM 12/21/2002 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>Bethany K. Dumas said:
>> > A bed has rigid sides, head(board), etc.
>>
>>Hm.
>>Karen
>
>I have to agree with Bethany, much as it distresses me.   I also have never
>bought a bed in my life.  Both of our "beds" are simply mattress and box
>spring on a metal frame.  No headboard.  No foot board.   No bed.  Just
>mattress and box spring, lifted from floor level by the metal frames that
>used to be given away at stores when you bought your mattress and box
>spring.  The metal frame does have some fittings onto which a headboard
>could be affixed.  But I've never seen the point of spending money for a
>useless piece of wood.

That is how all three of ours are, too.  We used to have a head board until
we went to a larger bed.  Headboards are nice if they are the type to hold
things, too.  Books, candles, clocks, butt plugs, sex toys, etc.

Betty

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stevie wrote:

> There is only dust under my bed.  And not much of that because we
> vaccuum under there.

Actually, I have very little stored under my bed in this house but had
every inch of that space in use in my previous house.  I really don't
need to use the under-the-bed space at all here, but it seems such a
waste to let it just sit there doing nothing.  I need to go look to be
sure, but I'm thinking that the only thing I use it for here is the xmas
wreath.  The wreath itself isn't there now since it's on the door, but
the plastic bag I keep it in is sitting under the bed waiting for the
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In a message dated 12/21/2002 7:44:58 AM Central Standard Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
The reactions seem to vary.  I know some people who have been lucky
enough to have very mild, almost non-existent, reactions, while others
suffer quite a bit.


>>

Thanks!  Her doctor said that he doesn't want to operate because of
her heart condition.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

Spike had a little trip to the vet, and now
he can't chase the other puppies anymore.
--Spike

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>The pad itself that's on the flimsy couch things called futons that you
>see in US stores is similar to a Japanese futon, but I've never seen the
>pads sold by themselves here.  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

They do sell the pads by themselves.  Nor are the couches that
flimsy.  LLBean sells one that is quite expensive.  I've seen this kind of
futon couch that is made out of some very expensive woods.  I've slept on
one once.  It was quite comfortable.


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:

> They do sell the pads by themselves.  Nor are the couches that
> flimsy.  LLBean sells one that is quite expensive.  I've seen this kind of
> futon couch that is made out of some very expensive woods.  I've slept on
> one once.  It was quite comfortable.

"Flimsy" was probably bad word-choice, even for some of the cheap ones
I've seen in stores.  I think what makes me think "flimsy" is that the
pad itself seems small and light compared to what you usually picture as
being on a couch.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Natalie Maynor said:
> The pad itself that's on the flimsy couch things called futons that you
> see in US stores

Those are futon frames in my lexicon.

> Do you have a good place for airing yours?

My back yard.

> I liked sleeping on a futon
> in my tatami room in Japan (which I did only when I had guests in the
> bedrooms, both of which had regular beds), but I didn't want to do it
> regularly because of the hassle of hanging it out with the futon hooks
> on the balcony, etc.

Futon hooks? I always threw mine over the rod.

Karen

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There's a funny letter from Jeff Bezos in Friday's WSJ - I'll see if I can
get a copy off the web. It's about the "recommendations."

Bethany

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bonniev said:
> They do sell the pads by themselves.

These are not 'pads', but futons.

Karen

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---
Don't Laugh When You Read This

In your Dec. 4 article on Amazon.com you stated that our computerized
recommendations reflect customers' tastes with "uncanny accuracy." Thank
you. We've worked hard on that.

You also suggested that the adjoining hand-built "recommendations" that
were designed to humorously promote our new apparel store (470-plus major
clothing brands in one convenient location) might be misleading. My
personal favorite is "Customers who wear clothes also shop for Arm Warmers
and Cheetah Print Slippers." Now, granted, we are computer people and not
comics, but I think that's pretty funny.

Regardless, you have brought a critical matter to our attention -- namely,
that our site may be inaccessible to the humor-impaired. This was never
our intent, and it's now clear that we must take our humor seriously. Our
plan:

1) New Humor Alert feature. Simply check the tick box labeled, "I am humor
impaired," and all humorous content on our site will be prominently
labeled for your enjoyment (consider this the Internet equivalent of a
sit-com "laugh track" so you'll know when to laugh). This will be a great
public service and we thank the staff of the Journal for inspiring it.

2) Humor Warning Stickers. It turns out we have thousands of humor
magazines and books on our Web site. We now realize that these products
could be dangerous for people with special problems digesting humor. As
quickly as possible, we will be affixing special warning symbols on the
detail pages of all such products. (Did I mention that you can subscribe
to more than 60,000 different magazines at Amazon.com?)

3) Stop confusing folks with even mildly clever program names. Let's face
it, this is just asking for trouble. For instance, we have a program named
"Share the Love," which allows customers to send a 10% discount (on top of
our already heavily discounted prices, and did I mention free shipping if
you spend $25?) to their friends on any item they've just bought. Now,
this could really confuse folks. Perhaps some might think this program is
tacitly encouraging sexual promiscuity. If not that, then perhaps people
might be misled into thinking that they can actually send true love
instead of a discount. We'll be rethinking all our program names.

As a next story from the Journal, may I suggest the expose: "Amazon.com
CEO shamelessly plugs its stores in Letter to the Editor." Until then, you
know where you can buy your clothes!

Jeff Bezos
Founder and CEO Amazon.com
Seattle

Copyright © 2002    Dow Jones & Company, Inc.    All Rights Reserved
--

Bethany

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Futon hooks? I always threw mine over the rod.

The norm in my neighborhood was to use futon hooks to keep the futons
secure (like from being blown askew by wind).  You threw the futons over
the rod but secured them with big clamp things that were common features
of balconies (though not built on -- people bought them).  Futon hooks
stayed on the rods all the time -- as in you saw them sitting on the
rods whether there were futons present or not.  (I don't know what the
Japanese word for them was.  It might not translate to "hook."  In fact,
"clamp" probably fits the idea better than "hook" does.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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As some of you know, I made one-years vows of celibacy in early December
in 2000 and in 2001, intending to make final vows this December. I was
unable to arrange a service at which to make those vows publicly when I
wanted to (Advent 1), so I made private vows (to my bishop, as God's
representative) on November 21. I will make those vows public at a
service of Morning Prayer at St. John's Cathedral on Thursday, January 23
(8 a.m.).

Recently, I have received a copy of a poem that sets forth pretty fully
the theology and practice of celibacy as I understand it. It's a bit
long for posting to the list (50 lines), but if you would like to see it,
please email me privately and I will send it to you.

Bethany

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Subject: Re: No wreathe (sic)  but
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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Futon hooks? I always threw mine over the rod.
>
> The norm in my neighborhood was to use futon hooks to keep the futons
> secure (like from being blown askew by wind).  You threw the futons over
> the rod but secured them with big clamp things that were common features
> of balconies (though not built on -- people bought them).  Futon hooks
> stayed on the rods all the time -- as in you saw them sitting on the
> rods whether there were futons present or not.  (I don't know what the
> Japanese word for them was.  It might not translate to "hook."  In fact,
> "clamp" probably fits the idea better than "hook" does.)

Never saw one; these must be a postmodern invention.

Karen

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Terry Wild wrote:


> Have any of you noticed a candy cane shortage?  There seemed to be a
> limited supply to the local drugstores (CVS & Brooks) and Benny's.  They
> had all run out early in the week.  The grocery store didn't have many left
> either.  Maybe they didn't order as many this year.


        Nope.  I got about 150 to hand out to my students yesterday.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Have you knocked down the door yet?  Or was it a wall you were going to
>knock down?

Alas, costs and bldg codes have prevented my doing either - now I am
implementing a new furniture arrangement that will include a screen of
some sort in lieu of a door that opens the proper way. i was not going to
knock the door down - just reverse it so that it opened the proper
way. Now I will leave the door open, but use the screen as a sound
buffer. Part of the problem is that the classics dep't members tend to
have loud conversations in the hallway - something that of course English
profs do not do.

Bethany

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Never saw one; these must be a postmodern invention.

I found the term -- "futon basami" (translated as "clamps" by whoever
this person is):

*********
Special clamps for securing futon (futon basami) are available in
 the laundry section of most supermarkets and dry goods stores.
*********
http://www.chic.gol.com/CultureTips.htm#Airing_your_Futon_

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Sat, 21 Dec 2002 08:34:27 -0500, bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> wrote:
>Both of our "beds" are simply mattress and box
>spring on a metal frame.  No headboard.  No foot board.   No bed.  Just
>mattress and box spring, lifted from floor level by the metal frames that
>used to be given away at stores when you bought your mattress and box
>spring.  The metal frame does have some fittings onto which a headboard
>could be affixed.  But I've never seen the point of spending money for a
>useless piece of wood.

So you don't call what you sleep in a bed?

You don't make your bed?

Karen

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Re beds: it is indeed difficult to distinguish precisely between a bed
and what I am calling a bed frame. But I don't consider those flimsy this
frames that will just support a mattress or even mattress/box spring to be
beds. To me, a bed is a much more substantial piece of furniture - even
if one does not install a headboard, as one may choose not to.

After I bought my bed, I was amazed at how much better support it offers
than the bed frames I had been sleeping on most of my life. (A few
rental places that I lived in as a graduate student had beds in them, but
the mattresses were usually so sorry that one did not wax ecstatic at the
quality of support they offered.)

Bethany

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>So you don't call what you sleep in a bed?

No.  Around 11 p.m. I often stretch, yawn, and say "I think I'll go on up
to mattress."

>You don't make your bed?
>Karen

No.  Most mornings I straighten up the bedding on the mattress.  But it
would take a hammer and nails to make a bed.


    --bonniev

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On Sat, 21 Dec 2002, bonniev, who once in a great while agrees with me,
wrote:

>>You don't make your bed?
>
>No.  Most mornings I straighten up the bedding on the mattress.  But it
>would take a hammer and nails to make a bed.

My bed is made of steel. Hammers and nails would not cut it (pun!).

Bethany

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=
= I spent part of the week returning or renewing library books - they now
= have to be presented for renewal once a year, so I had to cart lots of
= them to the libe, then cart many of them back to my office.
=
= Bethany

Will some of you please comment on whether this is normal, for
someone to be able to permanently check out books from the
library?

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stevie wrote:

> =
> = I spent part of the week returning or renewing library books - they now
> = have to be presented for renewal once a year, so I had to cart lots of
> = them to the libe, then cart many of them back to my office.
> =
> = Bethany
>
> Will some of you please comment on whether this is normal, for
> someone to be able to permanently check out books from the
> library?


        It's annoying and selfish.  On several occasions I've tried
to get books for research only to find some faculty member
has them out and I have no hope of getting them.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 10:06:53AM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
> stevie wrote:
>
> >=
> >= I spent part of the week returning or renewing library books - they now
> >= have to be presented for renewal once a year, so I had to cart lots of
> >= them to the libe, then cart many of them back to my office.
> >=
> >= Bethany
> >
> >Will some of you please comment on whether this is normal, for
> >someone to be able to permanently check out books from the
> >library?
>
>
>     It's annoying and selfish.  On several occasions I've tried
> to get books for research only to find some faculty member
> has them out and I have no hope of getting them.

Now that we have moved (for all practical purposes) closer to
the "Harold Washington Library Center", I'll be there pretty
frequently. To elaborate--this library has pretty much the
books you would want, and no selfish faculty.

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= stevie wrote:
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= > =
= > = I spent part of the week returning or renewing library books - they now
= > = have to be presented for renewal once a year, so I had to cart lots of
= > = them to the libe, then cart many of them back to my office.
= > =
= > = Bethany
= >
= > Will some of you please comment on whether this is normal, for
= > someone to be able to permanently check out books from the
= > library?
=
=
=         It's annoying and selfish.  On several occasions I've tried

Well, yeah.  And I bet it mucks with the library's budget a
little bit too.

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stevie said:
> = I spent part of the week returning or renewing library books - they now
> = have to be presented for renewal once a year, so I had to cart lots of
> = them to the libe, then cart many of them back to my office.
> =
> = Bethany
>
> Will some of you please comment on whether this is normal, for
> someone to be able to permanently check out books from the
> library?

It's normal at academic institutions.

Karen

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> After I bought my bed, I was amazed at how much better support it offers
> than the bed frames I had been sleeping on most of my life. (A few

Perhaps someday I'll sleep on a bed and find out what it feels like.
I've been pretty happy so far with sleeping, though.

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stevie wrote:
>
> =
> = I spent part of the week returning or renewing library books - they now
> = have to be presented for renewal once a year, so I had to cart lots of
> = them to the libe, then cart many of them back to my office.
> =
> = Bethany
>
> Will some of you please comment on whether this is normal, for
> someone to be able to permanently check out books from the
> library?

Yes, it is a normal privilege for faculty everywhere I would guess.  But
I don't know how many people would actually keep a book for more than a
semester, if that long.  I figure if I need a book for more than a month
or so, I should buy my own copy of it.

Anybody who wants a book that's checked out long-term can ask for it, of
course, and it will be recalled immediately.  But sometimes students (or
others) might not know about a particular book -- might stumble upon it
when browsing the shelves if it is in fact on the shelves.  That's why
I'm against keeping books for long periods of time.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         It's annoying and selfish.  On several occasions I've tried
> to get books for research only to find some faculty member
> has them out and I have no hope of getting them.

They don't call in books there for people who need them?  That's bad,
imho.

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stevie wrote:

> =         It's annoying and selfish.  On several occasions I've tried
>
> Well, yeah.  And I bet it mucks with the library's budget a
> little bit too.

How would the library's budget be involved?

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On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 12:24:46PM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= stevie wrote:
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= > =         It's annoying and selfish.  On several occasions I've tried
= >
= > Well, yeah.  And I bet it mucks with the library's budget a
= > little bit too.
=
= How would the library's budget be involved?

If the library plans on having a certain book on the shelf but
the greedy faculty member keeps it, they'd have to buy another
one.

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steph wrote:

> If the library plans on having a certain book on the shelf but
> the greedy faculty member keeps it, they'd have to buy another
> one.

I bet most libraries don't have budgets to do things like that.

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steph said:
> On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 12:24:46PM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> = stevie wrote:
> =
> = > =         It's annoying and selfish.  On several occasions I've tried
> = >
> = > Well, yeah.  And I bet it mucks with the library's budget a
> = > little bit too.
> =
> = How would the library's budget be involved?
>
> If the library plans on having a certain book on the shelf but
> the greedy faculty member keeps it, they'd have to buy another
> one.

Believe me, they don't.

Karen

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Thanks for the kind note, yall.  We're glad you liked it.  'Got your letter
too Brad.  It was really nice to read.

Has anyone experience with the DirecWay DirectTV Internet connection?  I
plan on upgrading shortly, and I was wondering if there are any sig'
pitfalls.

'Alan



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> "Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >
> > Alan, Wild family - the pb is even better than last year. I could get
> > addicted.
>
> It really is super.  I don't like some pb -- it's just too glassy and
> hard.  But Wildian pb is absolutely perfect.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 12:52:29PM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= steph wrote:
=
= > If the library plans on having a certain book on the shelf but
= > the greedy faculty member keeps it, they'd have to buy another
= > one.
=
= I bet most libraries don't have budgets to do things like that.
=

That was my point.

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stevie wrote:
>
> Will some of you please comment on whether this is normal, for
> someone to be able to permanently check out books from the
> library?

I will comment. It is not a very nice thing to do. It deprives others of
the privilege of using these books and libraries cannot afford
multi-copies. I cannot believe it is allowed.

alyce


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alyce cresap said:
> I will comment. It is not a very nice thing to do. It deprives others of
> the privilege of using these books and libraries cannot afford
> multi-copies. I cannot believe it is allowed.

I think this is a silly attitude. I mean, in that case, libraries
shouldn't allow any of their books to be checked out. It's not like
anyone can't recall any book at any time. Sheesh.

Karen

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On Sat, 21 Dec 2002, stevie wrote:

>Will some of you please comment on whether this is normal, for
>someone to be able to permanently check out books from the
>library?

Please tell me where it is possible to check out books permanently. I
have never had that privilege.

Bethany

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Feels like one of those times when a nasty humorless guy
is trying to be funny, and isn't succeeding in much beyond
"loud", and everyone is laughing nervously.

Amazon's "tongue in cheek recommendations" suck. Stupidass...


On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 09:10:15AM -0500, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> ---
> Don't Laugh When You Read This
>
> In your Dec. 4 article on Amazon.com you stated that our computerized
> recommendations reflect customers' tastes with "uncanny accuracy." Thank
> you. We've worked hard on that.
>
> You also suggested that the adjoining hand-built "recommendations" that
> were designed to humorously promote our new apparel store (470-plus major
> clothing brands in one convenient location) might be misleading. My
> personal favorite is "Customers who wear clothes also shop for Arm Warmers
> and Cheetah Print Slippers." Now, granted, we are computer people and not
> comics, but I think that's pretty funny.
>
> Regardless, you have brought a critical matter to our attention -- namely,
> that our site may be inaccessible to the humor-impaired. This was never
> our intent, and it's now clear that we must take our humor seriously. Our
> plan:
>
> 1) New Humor Alert feature. Simply check the tick box labeled, "I am humor
> impaired," and all humorous content on our site will be prominently
> labeled for your enjoyment (consider this the Internet equivalent of a
> sit-com "laugh track" so you'll know when to laugh). This will be a great
> public service and we thank the staff of the Journal for inspiring it.
>
> 2) Humor Warning Stickers. It turns out we have thousands of humor
> magazines and books on our Web site. We now realize that these products
> could be dangerous for people with special problems digesting humor. As
> quickly as possible, we will be affixing special warning symbols on the
> detail pages of all such products. (Did I mention that you can subscribe
> to more than 60,000 different magazines at Amazon.com?)
>
> 3) Stop confusing folks with even mildly clever program names. Let's face
> it, this is just asking for trouble. For instance, we have a program named
> "Share the Love," which allows customers to send a 10% discount (on top of
> our already heavily discounted prices, and did I mention free shipping if
> you spend $25?) to their friends on any item they've just bought. Now,
> this could really confuse folks. Perhaps some might think this program is
> tacitly encouraging sexual promiscuity. If not that, then perhaps people
> might be misled into thinking that they can actually send true love
> instead of a discount. We'll be rethinking all our program names.
>
> As a next story from the Journal, may I suggest the expose: "Amazon.com
> CEO shamelessly plugs its stores in Letter to the Editor." Until then, you
> know where you can buy your clothes!
>
> Jeff Bezos
> Founder and CEO Amazon.com
> Seattle
>
> Copyright © 2002    Dow Jones & Company, Inc.    All Rights Reserved
> --

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On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 06:26:15PM -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Feels like one of those times when a nasty humorless guy
> is trying to be funny, and isn't succeeding in much beyond
> "loud", and everyone is laughing nervously.
>
> Amazon's "tongue in cheek recommendations" suck. Stupidass...

I will add. though, that when I looked up a programming book I
wanted to buy--probably for specialized tastes and certainly not
"mainstream"--people who bought it also bought ... Articulating
Reasons: An Introduction to Inferentialism, by Robert Brandom.

DAMN ...

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On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 02:32:47PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> I think this is a silly attitude. I mean, in that case, libraries
> shouldn't allow any of their books to be checked out. It's not like
> anyone can't recall any book at any time. Sheesh.

That doesn't quite cut it. Come on, I recalled books many times,
but I clearly never saw a whole lot more, and besides, when my
interest in some book was "not that strong", I did not recall
it, thinking it was being used by somebody who needed it much
more. Keep books circulating ...

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Tushar Samant said:
> That doesn't quite cut it. Come on, I recalled books many times,
> but I clearly never saw a whole lot more, and besides, when my
> interest in some book was "not that strong", I did not recall
> it, thinking it was being used by somebody who needed it much
> more. Keep books circulating ...

Uh-huh.

The best thing about APL is that they have a Wish List feature--you
can request books by the click of a button. Everyone should have that.

Karen

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On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 05:06:28PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> Tushar Samant said:
> > That doesn't quite cut it. Come on, I recalled books many times,
> > but I clearly never saw a whole lot more, and besides, when my
> > interest in some book was "not that strong", I did not recall
> > it, thinking it was being used by somebody who needed it much
> > more. Keep books circulating ...
>
> Uh-huh.
>
> The best thing about APL is that they have a Wish List feature--you
> can request books by the click of a button. Everyone should have that.

There are three enormous flaws in this post:

#1 "Uh-huh" has zero meaning.
#2 A wish list is nothing but a glorified recall, and I have
   already outlined the disadvantages of the dumb macroeconomic
   "they'd recall it if they were to benefit from it" argument.
#3 Public libraries don't have selfish faculty. In Chicago,
   almost all the books you might want are readily available.

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Tushar Samant said:
> #3 Public libraries don't have selfish faculty.

No, but you renew books (and videos) multiple times. Ligniere and I
have worked this scam to our advantage.

> In Chicago,
>    almost all the books you might want are readily available.

Good to know!:)

Karen

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On Sat, 21 Dec 2002, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Hmm.  My definition of bed has always been much looser than that.  I've
>always thought I had a bed, but I guess not.  I might have had a bed in
>childhood -- can't really remember now -- but have not had one since
>then.

What so you sleep on then?

Bethany

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Bethany K. Dumas said:
> On Sat, 21 Dec 2002, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >Hmm.  My definition of bed has always been much looser than that.  I've
> >always thought I had a bed, but I guess not.  I might have had a bed in
> >childhood -- can't really remember now -- but have not had one since
> >then.
>
> What so you sleep on then?

She thought she was sleeping on a bed.

Karen

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>Bethany K. Dumas said:
> > What so you sleep on then?
>
>She thought she was sleeping on a bed.
>Karen

"What so you sleep on then?"       ??????????


    --bonniev

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On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 05:27:01PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> Tushar Samant said:
> > #3 Public libraries don't have selfish faculty.
>
> No, but you renew books (and videos) multiple times.

I see ... maybe here they have two categories of videos.
In particular, one where there would be too much "recall
activity" if multiple renewals were allowed. Not very
sure, but this is really beginning to make me want to
go on Monday!

> Ligniere and I have worked this scam to our advantage.

Oh aren't we so very cool! Have you called me, by the
way? Send me mail.

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bonniev said:
> >Bethany K. Dumas said:
> > > What so you sleep on then?
> >
> >She thought she was sleeping on a bed.
> >Karen
>
> "What so you sleep on then?"       ?????????

s and d are next to each other.

Do I have to help you with everything?!

Karen

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Tushar Samant said:
> I see ... maybe here they have two categories of videos.
> In particular, one where there would be too much "recall
> activity" if multiple renewals were allowed. Not very
> sure, but this is really beginning to make me want to
> go on Monday!

Go where?

> > Ligniere and I have worked this scam to our advantage.
>
> Oh aren't we so very cool! Have you called me, by the
> way? Send me mail.

I could call you...

Karen

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> > "What so you sleep on then?"       ?????????
>
>s and d are next to each other.
>
>Do I have to help you with everything?!
>Karen

Ah,  thank you.   Yed, you do nees to help me.

How is the wreath doing?  Dying in the Texas heat yet?  We sent one to Ohio
last year and it lasted a long, long time.  When do you leave for Christmas?


    --bonniev

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On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 06:05:25PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> Tushar Samant said:
> > I see ... maybe here they have two categories of videos.
> > In particular, one where there would be too much "recall
> > activity" if multiple renewals were allowed. Not very
> > sure, but this is really beginning to make me want to
> > go on Monday!
>
> Go where?

The library.

> > > Ligniere and I have worked this scam to our advantage.
> >
> > Oh aren't we so very cool! Have you called me, by the
> > way? Send me mail.
>
> I could call you...

At least send me mail with your preliminary plans. Call me
later ...

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bonniev said:
> How is the wreath doing?

Fine.

> When do you leave for Christmas?

Monday. My entry is quite protected, so it doesn't get that hot. I'm
planning to leave it till it's bare.:) Or at least till I get back. It
smells so good every time I open the door.

I'm NOT looking forward to the cold. Ah, well, Tushar will keep me warm...

Karen

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Tushar Samant said:
> At least send me mail with your preliminary plans.

I'm free the afternoon of the 27th, from about 1 to 6. I'm not sure
what we're doing in the morning yet. It's imperative that I catch the
6-something train from Chicago to Kalamazoo; the rest of my life
depends on it, but I have no idea where the train station is. I've
only gone there with Don, before. I'm not up to a lot of walking,
whatever I do, and I have very little money. (Ooh, don't I sound like
fun?!)

You don't have to spend all that time with me, of course. But it won't
be as long as it sounds like right now.:) *Everyone* tells me I'm fun,
remember!!!

> Call me later ...

Tomorrow afternoon?

Karen

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On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 06:40:20PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> Tushar Samant said:
> > At least send me mail with your preliminary plans.
>
> I'm free the afternoon of the 27th, from about 1 to 6. I'm not sure
> what we're doing in the morning yet. It's imperative that I catch the
> 6-something train from Chicago to Kalamazoo; the rest of my life
> depends on it, but I have no idea where the train station is. I've
> only gone there with Don, before.

Thanks for the updates. The firm will find out where the hell the
train leaves from. BTW that's "five free hours" in a pretty broad
interpretation ...

> I'm not up to a lot of walking, whatever I do, and I have very
> little money. (Ooh, don't I sound like fun?!)

Yes.

> You don't have to spend all that time with me, of course. But it won't
> be as long as it sounds like right now.:) *Everyone* tells me I'm fun,
> remember!!!

Sure ...

> > Call me later ...
>
> Tomorrow afternoon?

It's much better if you called me at work that day, but I don't
have a number yet. When are you leaving? What's your number?

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Tushar Samant said:
> Thanks for the updates. The firm will find out where the hell the
> train leaves from.

Wherever the Amtrak station is.:)

> BTW that's "five free hours" in a pretty broad
> interpretation ...

Well, yes, especially since I have to get to the train station early
enough to pick up my ticket.

> It's much better if you called me at work that day, but I don't
> have a number yet. When are you leaving? What's your number?

Sent PRIVATELY.

Karen

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Deck your hall with Boston Charlie etc!

Today I will go to my mother's place and cut down a suitable tree. We will take our skis down from the attic and prepare for our planned cross country skiing. I have taken the few work days left between now and New Year's day off, so i will do nothing related to my (paid) work before January 2. I may or may not read e-mail. My best wishes to you all!

Espen

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I have played with Photoshop and have managed to make our rabbit's eye less red than it was in a photo. Two new images are at:

<http://www.espenore.tk/2002/kanin1.jpg>

and

<http://www.espenore.tk/2002/kanin2.jpg>

I have bought a portable car battery/starting booster so even with -10C I should be able to start today.

Espen

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http://home.no.net/espenore/2002/kanin2.jpg

and

http://home.no.net/espenore/2002/kanin1.jpg

Espen

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At 10:57 AM 12/22/2002 +0100, Espen S. Ore wrote:
>Deck your hall with Boston Charlie etc!
>
>Today I will go to my mother's place and cut down a suitable tree. We will
>take our skis down from the attic and prepare for our planned cross
>country skiing. I have taken the few work days left between now and New
>Year's day off, so i will do nothing related to my (paid) work before
>January 2. I may or may not read e-mail. My best wishes to you all!

Have a wonderful time, Grandpa, and don't break a leg!

Betty

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Looks more like a cat!

Betty

At 12:51 PM 12/22/2002 +0100, Espen S. Ore wrote:
>I have played with Photoshop and have managed to make our rabbit's eye
>less red than it was in a photo. Two new images are at:
>
><http://www.espenore.tk/2002/kanin1.jpg>
>
>and
>
><http://www.espenore.tk/2002/kanin2.jpg>
>
>I have bought a portable car battery/starting booster so even with -10C I
>should be able to start today.
>
>Espen

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I just sent the following reply to my uncle.  Are my answers correct?  I
think that first one is something somebody said here on Words-L.
Perhaps Pete.  And where is Pete, btw?  He has been silent for too long.

Oh dear.  I thought I had copied (from Ra) my words to my uncle, but I
bet I blocked it and then forgot to say 'copy' -- and I didn't send
myself a copy -- and I'm now logged off of Ra, so it's gone.  (He and I
have to use Ra because his ISP's spam-filter won't let mail from
bellsouth.net through, which is my outgoing mailserver for popmail when
I'm at home, unless I want to dial up to MSU's terminal server, which I
don't.)

His mail to me said first that his Norton was grabbing lots of incoming
virus mail lately.  Then he said that he was also getting lots of
returned mail from "Mail Administrator" that was supposedly from him but
that was to people he had never heard of.  He asked why and asked
whether getting a firewall would solve the problem.  My reply to him was
that that sounded like virus-related behavior but that it did not mean
his computer was infected -- that the virus had picked up his address
somewhere and was using it to try to send itself (the virus) to people
it had found in other people's address books or wherever.  And I told
him no re the firewall -- that what a firewall does is prevent hackers
from hacking into his computer via the net.

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 02:32:47PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > I think this is a silly attitude. I mean, in that case, libraries
> > shouldn't allow any of their books to be checked out. It's not like
> > anyone can't recall any book at any time. Sheesh.
>
> That doesn't quite cut it. Come on, I recalled books many times,
> but I clearly never saw a whole lot more, and besides, when my
> interest in some book was "not that strong", I did not recall
> it, thinking it was being used by somebody who needed it much
> more. Keep books circulating ...

Those are my thoughts exactly.  Although I do think the recall system is
important and that it works for somebody who really neeeds a particular
book and knows it, I agree that there might be other books such a person
is missing that could be useful, as might one of the ones the person
might have <less strong> interest in and think that somebody who needed
it more was using it.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >Hmm.  My definition of bed has always been much looser than that.  I've
> >always thought I had a bed, but I guess not.  I might have had a bed in
> >childhood -- can't really remember now -- but have not had one since
> >then.
>
> What so you sleep on then?

I sleep on what is considered a bed in my looser definition of the
term.  I'm not sure what you would call what I sleep on.  Do you have a
term for it, or do you have to say something like "a mattress on top of
box springs on top of a metal frame"?

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bonniev wrote:

> "What so you sleep on then?"       ??????????

Rarely.  I love getting up.  But I sometimes sleep on for a while on a
cold, rainy winter morning.  I was more inclined to do that with
Bernardykins snuggled against me, though.  I hate that Spencer chooses
to sleep elsewhere.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Tushar Samant said:
> > I see ... maybe here they have two categories of videos.
> > In particular, one where there would be too much "recall
> > activity" if multiple renewals were allowed. Not very
> > sure, but this is really beginning to make me want to
> > go on Monday!
>
> Go where?

To the library.

> > > Ligniere and I have worked this scam to our advantage.
> >
> > Oh aren't we so very cool! Have you called me, by the
> > way? Send me mail.
>
> I could call you...

Why, btw, would you want to renew a video?  I can see how one might want
to renew a book -- I used a public library copy of a sixteenth-century
non-Shakespearian drama book that was the textbook for a summer school
course in Memphis by renewing it once.  I can also see how if you didn't
have much reading time and had checked out a really long book, you might
want to renew it.  But why a video?

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Karen Kay wrote:
> It's imperative that I catch the
> 6-something train from Chicago to Kalamazoo; the rest of my life
> depends on it

Are you planning on moving to Kalamazaoo?  All I ever think of when I
hear that name is medievalists.  What else is there?

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"Espen S. Ore" wrote:
> I may or may not read e-mail. My best wishes to you all!

Eek.  That's too long to abandon us!

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At 08:14 AM 12/22/2002 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Karen Kay wrote:
> > It's imperative that I catch the
> > 6-something train from Chicago to Kalamazoo; the rest of my life
> > depends on it
>
>Are you planning on moving to Kalamazaoo?  All I ever think of when I
>hear that name is medievalists.  What else is there?

After death you mean?

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"Espen S. Ore" wrote:
>
> I have played with Photoshop and have managed to make our rabbit's eye less red than it was in a photo. Two new images are at:
>
> <http://www.espenore.tk/2002/kanin1.jpg>
>
> and
>
> <http://www.espenore.tk/2002/kanin2.jpg>

Great pictures.  But what mean-looking eyes!

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"Espen S. Ore" wrote:
>
> http://home.no.net/espenore/2002/kanin2.jpg
>
> and
>
> http://home.no.net/espenore/2002/kanin1.jpg

Ohh.  I thought you had said "rabbit" jokingly or mistakenly -- even
though I did know you had a rabbit.  These are also great pictures.  And
the rabbit has kinder-looking eyes than the cat.

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At 08:05 PM 12/15/2002 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > Adam, she wants to know if you've settled on a date for Snowbash.
>
>I haven't yet, no.
>
>*looks at calendar*
>
>How about March 22-23, 2003?

One week too early.

BB

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Why, btw, would you want to renew a video?

Because I haven't finished watching it yet.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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This is a <sweet> story.  Somebody mentioned it at a party last night,
and I just found it in the Clarion-Ledger archives.  It's about the
walk-on who slung the ball from way far away in the last second of last
week's game, scoring a final three points.  I didn't know anything about
him, but the person last night mentioned this CL column that told about
how he ended up on the team -- by sleeping in the drizzling rain outside
the coliseum:

http://www.clarionledger.com/news/0212/19/srick.html

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Betty wrote:

> >Are you planning on moving to Kalamazaoo?  All I ever think of when I
> >hear that name is medievalists.  What else is there?
>
> After death you mean?

No, not after death.  It would be too cold there to enjoy death.

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Betty wrote:
>
> At 08:05 PM 12/15/2002 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > > Adam, she wants to know if you've settled on a date for Snowbash.
> >
> >I haven't yet, no.
> >
> >*looks at calendar*
> >
> >How about March 22-23, 2003?
>
> One week too early.

How about March 8-9?

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > Why, btw, would you want to renew a video?
>
> Because I haven't finished watching it yet.

It must be a very long tape.

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > It's imperative that I catch the
> > 6-something train from Chicago to Kalamazoo; the rest of my life
> > depends on it
>
> Are you planning on moving to Kalamazaoo?

No. Why would you think that?

> All I ever think of when I
> hear that name is medievalists.  What else is there?

A train station.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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I think I forgot to report yesterday on step 1 of the h&c pinwheels and
thus denied y'all the opportunity to celebrate it:  I bought the
ingredients.  Now I can report that step 2 is complete:  I just
remembered to take the cream cheese out of the refrigerator to let it
soften.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > > It's imperative that I catch the
> > > 6-something train from Chicago to Kalamazoo; the rest of my life
> > > depends on it
> >
> > Are you planning on moving to Kalamazaoo?
>
> No. Why would you think that?

Although not the only explanation of course, it was one that came to
mind as a possible reason that the rest of your life depends on getting
to Kalamazoo.

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On Sun, Dec 22, 2002 at 09:48:10AM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= I think I forgot to report yesterday on step 1 of the h&c pinwheels and
= thus denied y'all the opportunity to celebrate it:  I bought the
= ingredients.  Now I can report that step 2 is complete:  I just
= remembered to take the cream cheese out of the refrigerator to let it
= soften.
=

Yay!

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > It's imperative that I catch the
> > > > 6-something train from Chicago to Kalamazoo; the rest of my life
> > > > depends on it
> > >
> > > Are you planning on moving to Kalamazaoo?
> >
> > No. Why would you think that?
>
> Although not the only explanation of course, it was one that came to
> mind as a possible reason that the rest of your life depends on getting
> to Kalamazoo.

Getting *to* Kalamazoo from Chicago is pretty easy; trains go several
times/day. Getting that particular train is a whole different matter.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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     The nights won't seem so long or cold
     Once morning finally comes
     And dark gives way to longer days
     Returning with the sun.

     by Jim Cockrell
     http://www.bayarea.net/~jc/solstice/solstice_poem.html
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On Sun, Dec 22, 2002 at 08:11:45AM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > Tushar Samant said:
> > > I see ... maybe here they have two categories of videos.
> > > In particular, one where there would be too much "recall
> > > activity" if multiple renewals were allowed. Not very
> > > sure, but this is really beginning to make me want to
> > > go on Monday!
> >
> > Go where?
>
> To the library.
>
> > > > Ligniere and I have worked this scam to our advantage.
> > >
> > > Oh aren't we so very cool! Have you called me, by the
> > > way? Send me mail.
> >
> > I could call you...
>
> Why, btw, would you want to renew a video?  I can see how one might want
> to renew a book -- I used a public library copy of a sixteenth-century
> non-Shakespearian drama book that was the textbook for a summer school
> course in Memphis by renewing it once.  I can also see how if you didn't
> have much reading time and had checked out a really long book, you might
> want to renew it.  But why a video?

It was a pr0n video, Natalie.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Getting *to* Kalamazoo from Chicago is pretty easy; trains go several
> times/day. Getting that particular train is a whole different matter.

Ah so.  You're meeting somebody on that train upon whom the rest of your
life depends.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 10:25:38PM -0600, Anne Toal wrote:
> I would like to shed the mantle of responsibility for list management and
> will be interviewing candidates for a list co-owner to replace me. If you
> would like to mail me privately, or if you prefer your soul to be laid
> bare in the cold noonday glare of the winter sun (meaning on-list), I will
> be happy to consider your application.
>
> Also, I have received the renewal notice for the words-l.org domain. While
> I don't mind paying it, I would do so even more ungrudgingly if I believed
> it was going to support an actual website. As Bill Clinton said, we have
> done much, but we can do better. So what can be done with the website?
> Anyone out there want to take it on?

Don't know about list management, but for hosting, and owning the domain,
I am game. I need some time, because I am still shopping for server space.
(If you have any ideas, welcome, I need it cheap.) I will ask what people
want with the web site and do what's reasonable. I'd say please go ahead
and renew the domain if it's an emergency, and I will send you check. If
it's better done another way, let me know. mx&ahny, Tushar

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On Sun, Dec 22, 2002 at 10:38:14AM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>      The nights won't seem so long or cold
>      Once morning finally comes
>      And dark gives way to longer days
>      Returning with the sun.
>
>      by Jim Cockrell
>      http://www.bayarea.net/~jc/solstice/solstice_poem.html

What a bore!

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> I'm not sure what you would call what I sleep on.  Do you have a
> term for it, or do you have to say something like "a mattress on top of
> box springs on top of a metal frame"?

Sounds like a bed to me. What else would you say constitutes a "real"
bed?

alyce

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 Natalie Maynor said:
>  Why, btw, would you want to renew a video?

Because she's a slow watcher.

alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > All I ever think of when I
> > hear that name is medievalists.  What else is there?
>
> A train station.

Isn't there cereal or something?

alyce
>
> Karen
> "How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"


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Tushar Samant wrote:

> What a bore!

The poem is sucky, but my Solsticish happiness is real.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> > I'm not sure what you would call what I sleep on.  Do you have a
> > term for it, or do you have to say something like "a mattress on top of
> > box springs on top of a metal frame"?
>
> Sounds like a bed to me. What else would you say constitutes a "real"
> bed?

Bethany's definition of a real bed would not include what I sleep on.  I
can't remember what all she said now, but I remember something about
"rigid sides."

--
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The question was raised about what other merchandise a bookstore might
sell to keep from going out of business:

At 05:35 PM 12/19/2002 -0800, Jeffrey Sandrone wrote:
>Sell candles.  The fourth candle store just opened here within about a one
>square mile area.  The gift shop next store sells Yankee Candles at $25.00 a
>jar.  Try selling a book, ANY book, for that amount and I get laughed at.  I
>did a direct mailing, 20% off coupon, to 500 of her candle club members and
>not one single coupon came in.  It would seem that candle lovers are not
>book lovers.

Sorry to be responding so late to this (once again playing catch-up
with mailing list mail, I'm afraid), but I just can't resist.

Our shop is in the same town as the Yankee Candle mothership
(which is literally three blocks away, as a matter of fact). This
huge place is one of the biggest tourist attractions in New England,
selling not only candles but an incredible array of other overpriced
brightly packaged, mass-produced plastic "quaintly old-fashioned"
tourist-oriented crap all laid out in a noisy, frenetic environment
complete with scary bargain basement animatronics, the combined
smells of hundreds of synthetically produced candle "aromas," and
enough hustle & bustle and hurtling humanity to put Union Station
to shame. In other words,  Yankee Candle is the apotheosis of
middle-class shopping mecca hell.

Other candle shops (or "shoppes" if the owners are especially
desperate in their attempt to seem quaint) have opened up around
here to try to get in on some of that tourist action, but they fall
flat on their faces. It's Yankee Candle the folks want, and it's
Yankee Candle which consistently is full of screaming children,
tottering geezers, and beleaguered parents trying with grim
determination to have the good time that was promised them
in that colorful brochure.

It is a rare day indeed that our bookstore gets more than a few
stragglers from Yankee Candle, although the occasional bewildered
spouse does reel in, wanting a quiet respite whilst hubby or wifey
is immersed in the Yankee Candle Experience. But we knew that
when we moved here; we never expected much fallout from that
place.

We do, however, get a fair number of people from the other big
local tourist attraction, namely Historic Deerfield which is just a
hop skip & jump in the other direction and which doesn't, so far
as I can tell, get a whole lot of overlap from Yankee Candle either.

Just goes to show that some tourist-type places are a good fit
with bookstores, but not all of them, be they ever so humongous.
(Of course, Yankee Candle is a big help to us in one very major
way -- which is that it provides a lot of tax revenue for the town,
thereby keeping our own property taxes in check).


--
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>Bethany's definition of a real bed would not include what I sleep on.  I
>can't remember what all she said now, but I remember something about
>"rigid sides."     -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

And a headboard and a footboard.  I got to thinking what Bethany said about
a bed like that offering more support than a metal frame bed.  That makes
no sense because in either case the box spring is only supported on the
edges.   I've never seen a bed that had a complete bottom holding up the
box spring.

By the way, where have you been Alyce?  How's it going?  When is your son
arriving?


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Bethany's definition of a real bed would not include what I sleep on.  I
> can't remember what all she said now, but I remember something about
> "rigid sides."
>
Pfffft. I sleep in a bed without rigid sides. That cannot be anything
but a chaste Episcopalian definition.

alyce
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


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bonniev wrote:

> And a headboard and a footboard.  I got to thinking what Bethany said about
> a bed like that offering more support than a metal frame bed.  That makes
> no sense because in either case the box spring is only supported on the
> edges.   I've never seen a bed that had a complete bottom holding up the
> box spring.

Don't most beds have slats?  I think I have them on my metal frame,
though I can't remember for sure now.  I have a vague memory that the
frame edges wouldn't hold the box springs -- that they kept falling
through -- and that I found some wood slats somewhere.  Re a complete
bottom, I can imagine that they exist, although I don't remember having
seen one.  That is what I'm assuming Bethany has, though.  Sort of like
a baby crib except for an adult.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>Don't most beds have slats?  I think I have them on my metal frame,
>though I can't remember for sure now.   -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Don't know about "most" but mine don't.


    --bonniev

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At 09:48 AM 12/22/2002 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>I think I forgot to report yesterday on step 1 of the h&c pinwheels and
>thus denied y'all the opportunity to celebrate it:  I bought the
>ingredients.  Now I can report that step 2 is complete:  I just
>remembered to take the cream cheese out of the refrigerator to let it
>soften.

Yay!

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On Sun, Dec 22, 2002 at 11:41:09AM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > What a bore!
>
> The poem is sucky, but my Solsticish happiness is real.

The whole thing is boring ... damn, year after year after year

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bonniev wrote:
> >
> And a headboard and a footboard.  I got to thinking what Bethany said about
> a bed like that offering more support than a metal frame bed.  That makes
> no sense because in either case the box spring is only supported on the
> edges.   I've never seen a bed that had a complete bottom holding up the
> box spring.

True. Even with rigid sides, head and foot boards, there are slats to
support the mattress, not something solid.

>
> By the way, where have you been Alyce?

In bed, mostly.

>How's it going?

Poorly. I had a chest X-ray Wed. and it was "not right." I get a CT scan
Thursday. Meanwhile I have a new (to me) antibiotic that is making me
nauseated. I am filled with fear. I have a pain in my right rib cage
that feels like my ribs are broken (they're not) and nothing gives it
surcease--not Tylenol, Advil, aspirin. I am sorry you asked the
question, because I was not going to mention it, but then I thought, why
not tell my friends this cheery news.

>  When is your son arriving?

Dinnertime Xmas day, I hope. Snowstorm predicted. By some miracle, I
told Doug when he made his reservations long ago that he should rent a
car. I am so glad, for no way could I go to get him and limos are like
$150 one way.

Neighbors are helping with Spike, shopping, errands.

alyce
>
>     --bonniev


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bonniev wrote:
>
> Don't know about "most" but mine don't.

No slats with metal bases. Slats with wooden sideboards.

alyce

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>I am sorry you asked the
>question, because I was not going to mention it, but then I thought, why
>not tell my friends this cheery news.       --alyce

I'm glad I asked and I'm glad you told the truth.  Now we can all say a
prayer for you.  I'm sorry you are hurting and distressed that you are
frightened.  I hope your son makes it to your home safely and then somehow
makes it all right.


    --bonniev

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>No slats with metal bases. Slats with wooden sideboards.
>alyce

And why is that, do you suppose?   I remember slats in my wooden, childhood
bed.  There are, of course, slats built into the box spring.


    --bonniev

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Just back from two whirlwind trips: four days in New York, then two days in
Tokyo (stopped to sleep for a few hours at home in between), and about 30
hours in airplanes.  Both trips were for the same client; we scheduled the
first trip to New York for a presentation I was to give, but after we made
reservations (and I'd made some plans to see family and friends), the
meeting had to be cancelled, then rescheduled for Tokyo.  So, I booked a
quick trip to Tokyo to do the presentation there, but kept the trip to New
York, too.  It was fun having a breakfast meeting with my colleagues in New
York one week, then seeing them again in Tokyo the next -- one of those "If
it's Tuesday, this must be..." things. :)

I *loved* the trains to/from the airport both places.  Smooth travel, no
traffic.  AirTrain into NY Penn Station worked great, and then I caught the
NJ commuter train back to the AirTrain from near Nyack.  It was a bit long,
but worked great.

Same thing in Tokyo; Narita is way the heck away from Tokyo, and the
shuttle buses are plush and comfy, but spending a couple hours in Tokyo
traffic sucks.  I got to ride the JR Narita Express (N'EX) train from
Narita to Shinjuku, where luckily my hotel was 500 meters away from the
train station.  Great, smooth ride -- although being dumped into the
*extremely* busy and maze-like Shinjuku station will be either exciting or
terrifying, depending on your disposition.  Unfortunately I didn't buy a
return ticket in time, so when I left I had to take the shuttle bus back to
the airport instead of the train.

The Shinjuku shopping district was really wild, kind of like Shibuya,
Akihabara and Las Vegas rolled into one.  I also highly recommend the Tokyo
Metropolitan Government offices; they've got two great observatory floors
in Building 1 high above Tokyo, and admission is free.  It's about a
fifteen minute walk away from Shinjuku station.

I started blogging the trip, <http://www.istori.com/log/>, and got as far
as the second day :), but I hope to get more stuff up as time goes by.

Now, back to getting ready for Christmas...

Pete

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bonniev wrote:
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> >I am sorry you asked the
> >question, because I was not going to mention it, but then I thought, why
> >not tell my friends this cheery news.       --alyce
>
> I'm glad I asked and I'm glad you told the truth.  Now we can all say a
> prayer for you.  I'm sorry you are hurting and distressed that you are
> frightened.  I hope your son makes it to your home safely and then somehow
> makes it all right.

Thanks. In the worst case, if I become incommunicado, you always can
reach Doug at drankin@monm.edu. He has his e-mail available to him at
all times, everywhere. The original electronic man.

alyce

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bonniev wrote:
> > And why is that, do you suppose?   I remember slats in my wooden, childhood
> bed.  There are, of course, slats built into the box spring.

Because metal frames are a [relaively] recent invention. I mean in the
last 40-50 years. And the earliest beds did not have box springs or even
coiled springs, so there had to be slats to hold the mattresses, which
were only filled with cotton wadding or feathers or whatever. Now metal
frames are the most common because they are easier and cheaper--they
don't even charge for them if you buy a mattress set.

alyce

alyce

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>Now metal
>frames are the most common because they are easier and cheaper--they
>don't even charge for them if you buy a mattress set.
>alyce

Yup.  That's how I got the king and full-sized ones I have.


    --bonniev

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The Califdip-creamcheese-olive goup is mixed and is spending the
required hour in the refrigerator before moving on to the next-to-last
stage.  (The last stage will be the slicing tomorrow just before party
time.)
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Tushar Samant wrote:

> The whole thing is boring ... damn, year after year after year

You don't want the sun to come back?  You want it to keep on moving away
until it falls out of the picture entirely?

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alyce cresap wrote:

> question, because I was not going to mention it, but then I thought, why
> not tell my friends this cheery news.

That would have been very bad of you!  We want to know things like this.

> Neighbors are helping with Spike, shopping, errands.

This is good.

I wish we were all there to help you.  Not all in your house.  That
would no doubt drive you bananas.  But close by.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >No slats with metal bases. Slats with wooden sideboards.
> >alyce
>
> And why is that, do you suppose?   I remember slats in my wooden, childhood
> bed.  There are, of course, slats built into the box spring.

It's probably because the metal bases are built in such a way that
they're supposed to hold the box springs.  But in cases like mine, when
something seems not to fit right or when the fit seems precarious (which
is what my vague memory is -- like it might drop down to the floor at
any minute), you can always stick some slats in.  There's no law against
using slats with a metal frame.

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > Getting *to* Kalamazoo from Chicago is pretty easy; trains go several
> > times/day. Getting that particular train is a whole different matter.
>
> Ah so.  You're meeting somebody on that train upon whom the rest of your
> life depends.

Close enough.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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alyce cresap said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > > All I ever think of when I
> > > hear that name is medievalists.  What else is there?
> >
> > A train station.
>
> Isn't there cereal or something?

That's Battle Creek.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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alyce cresap said:
> Poorly. I had a chest X-ray Wed. and it was "not right." I get a CT scan
> Thursday. Meanwhile I have a new (to me) antibiotic that is making me
> nauseated. I am filled with fear. I have a pain in my right rib cage
> that feels like my ribs are broken (they're not) and nothing gives it
> surcease--not Tylenol, Advil, aspirin.

Is it levaquin, or another drug of that class? If so, this is a
side-effect of the drug, and you should call your dr.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

>  Great, smooth ride -- although being dumped into the
> *extremely* busy and maze-like Shinjuku station will be either exciting or
> terrifying, depending on your disposition.

My disposition must be the former.  I *adore* Shinjuku Station beyond
words, especially at rush hour.  It may be my favorite place in the
universe.  I would sometimes go there just for the heck of it because I
simply loved being there.  But you're right that it's maze-like.
Meeting friends there can be tricky unless you're absolutely, positively
sure that you both know precisely where your meeting place is.  Even
locals get lost there at times.  It's the busiest train station in the
world, isn't it?  I think I've read that.

> Unfortunately I didn't buy a
> return ticket in time, so when I left I had to take the shuttle bus back to
> the airport instead of the train.

Were there no tickets available when you wanted to go back to Narita?
Not even the cheap ones for standing-room only?  I wish I had been there
to guide you up to where you could take the Keisei Skyliner, which is
the train I normally took to Narita, even though it was slightly less
convenient since it doesn't go to/from Shinjunku (and I had to go
through Shinjuku to get home to Seisekisakuragaoka).  You could've taken
the JR Yamanote Line (the circle) up to either Ueno or Nippori and from
there taken the Keisei Skyliner to Narita.  Or even the regular Keisei
express train gets you there pretty quickly and is much cheaper.

>   I also highly recommend the Tokyo
> Metropolitan Government offices; they've got two great observatory floors
> in Building 1 high above Tokyo, and admission is free.  It's about a
> fifteen minute walk away from Shinjuku station.

I'm sure I must have told the story of going up there one Sunday and
getting off on the wrong floor near the top of the building.  I found
myself in an empty hall full of deserted offices, looking very much like
the scene of the beginning of a murder movie of some kind.

You're putting me in the mood to go back to Tokyo soon.  I miss it!!

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I wish we were all there to help you.  Not all in your house.  That
> would no doubt drive you bananas.  But close by.

That would be lovely.

alyce

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On Sun, Dec 22, 2002 at 01:12:45PM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > The whole thing is boring ... damn, year after year after year
>
> You don't want the sun to come back?  You want it to keep on moving away
> until it falls out of the picture entirely?

That's some fancy Johnny-Cochran argumentation there ... I give!

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On Sun, Dec 22, 2002 at 11:19:14AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> "How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

This reminds me, where is Dr Borkin? Damn it!

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The other thing, about your ribs hurting, could be pleurisy, which is
an infection of the connective tissues of your ribs. It's incredibly
painful, because it hurts every time you breathe.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> The Califdip-creamcheese-olive goup is mixed and is spending the
> required hour in the refrigerator before moving on to the next-to-last
> stage.  (The last stage will be the slicing tomorrow just before party
> time.)

Yay! Wish I had some right now.

alyce


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alyce cresap wrote:


> Poorly. I had a chest X-ray Wed. and it was "not right." I get a CT scan
> Thursday. Meanwhile I have a new (to me) antibiotic that is making me
> nauseated. I am filled with fear. I have a pain in my right rib cage
> that feels like my ribs are broken (they're not) and nothing gives it
> surcease--not Tylenol, Advil, aspirin. I am sorry you asked the
> question, because I was not going to mention it, but then I thought, why
> not tell my friends this cheery news.


I've been in bed mostly, too, although I did get to church
today to see Ana in the pageant.  I stopped at the grocery
store to get some necessities, and a batch of hot wings were
coming out of the ovens in the little deli within the
grocery store.  I don't like hot wings, but they smelled so
good to me that I bought some jalapeno poppers and had those
for lunch -- it's the first thing I've had an appetite for
in a week.  They tasted good.  I can't wait until my lungs
quit hurting and gurgling.  I need to finish up my Christmas
shopping.



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Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Karen Kay wrote:
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> alyce cresap said:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> > >
> > > > All I ever think of when I
> > > > hear that name is medievalists.  What else is there?
> > >
> > > A train station.
> >
> > Isn't there cereal or something?
>
> That's Battle Creek.

Close enough. They share the same airport. Why didn't you fly? Just so
you could see Tushar?

alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:
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> Is it levaquin,

Yes. It is. But I only have five more to go. I haven't thrown up, just
feel as if I'd like to. Isn't it too late to complain?

alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> The other thing, about your ribs hurting, could be pleurisy, which is
> an infection of the connective tissues of your ribs. It's incredibly
> painful, because it hurts every time you breathe.

Yes, I have been reading up on pleurisy. But it is a pretty constant
ache, not a jab with each breath. And the ache comes and goes. Like
today it has not been too bad and I took two Tylenol EXtra Strength this
am. Last evening it was awful, nothing worked, and I couldn't get
comfortable to watch TV or sleep. Rummaged through old med bottles and
found some codeine from my sciatica years ago. Took one, but it did not
help.

I'll call the dr. tomorrow though and ask about the levaquin. I never
have taken it before.

alyce

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> This reminds me, where is Dr Borkin? Damn it!

Watching tv.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Rita Chapman wrote:
> I've been in bed mostly, too,

I hope you feel better soon, Rita.

alyce

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Poorly. I had a chest X-ray Wed. and it was "not right." I get a CT scan
> Thursday. Meanwhile I have a new (to me) antibiotic that is making me
> nauseated. I am filled with fear. I have a pain in my right rib cage
> that feels like my ribs are broken (they're not) and nothing gives it
> surcease--not Tylenol, Advil, aspirin. I am sorry you asked the

Sorry, alyce -

Bethany

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Allow me to introduce your new admin, Adam Hartfield. Adam's career as a wordsler spans over 10 years and he is widely known and loved for his patience and even temperament, his sweet disposition, and his fairness. He brings a knowledge of words-l tradition combined with an open mind always ready to listen to new ideas. He will make a splendid admin for this group and I hope you will join me in welcoming this List Honey Long-Timer in his new role.

Now let the ass-kissing begin! All Hail Adam! the Queen is dead, long live the King! Wo0t!!!

-aht

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alyce cresap said:
> > > Isn't there cereal or something?
> >
> > That's Battle Creek.
>
> Close enough. They share the same airport. Why didn't you fly? Just so
> you could see Tushar?

What? I am flying--to Grand Rapids. Kalamazoo is the closest train
station to where my sister lives. I am going to Chicago to see my
sibs. Tushar is lagniappe.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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Anne Toal wrote:
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> Allow me to introduce your new admin, Adam Hartfield.

Congratulations, Adam.

alyce

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alyce cresap said:
> Yes. It is. But I only have five more to go. I haven't thrown up, just
> feel as if I'd like to. Isn't it too late to complain?

As far as I'm concerned, it's never too late to complain about
Levaquin. It's worse than prednisone, IMHO. I will forbear providing
you with the web site for Levaquine horror stories.

Even if you decided to finish taking the Levaquin, please tell your
dr. about the side effects. These need to become part of your
permanent record so the dr. does not prescribe these drugs lightly.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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Karen Kay wrote:
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>> What? I am flying--to Grand Rapids. Kalamazoo is the closest train
> station to where my sister lives.

But why not fly from Chicago to Kalamazoo instead of taking the train?

alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:
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> As far as I'm concerned, it's never too late to complain about
> Levaquin.

OK. Thanks for the warning.

alyce

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alyce cresap said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> >> What? I am flying--to Grand Rapids. Kalamazoo is the closest train
> > station to where my sister lives.
>
> But why not fly from Chicago to Kalamazoo instead of taking the train?

Because it would cost $200 instead of $30 and take about the same time
as the train.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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alyce cresap said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > As far as I'm concerned, it's never too late to complain about
> > Levaquin.
>
> OK. Thanks for the warning.

I won't post the website, but there are serious side effects, some of
which are irreversible.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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Adam, did you a package yet?

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Allow me to introduce your new admin, Adam Hartfield. Adam's career as a
wordsler spans over 10 years and he is widely known and loved for his
patience and even temperament, his sweet disposition, and his fairness. He
brings a knowledge of words-l tradition combined with an open mind always
ready to listen to new ideas. He will make a splendid admin for this group
and I hope you will join me in welcoming this List Honey Long-Timer in his
new role.

Now let the ass-kissing begin! All Hail Adam! the Queen is dead, long live
the King! Wo0t!!!

-aht

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Cutting your own finger to the bone.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> alyce cresap said:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> > >> What? I am flying--to Grand Rapids. Kalamazoo is the closest train
> > > station to where my sister lives.
> >
> > But why not fly from Chicago to Kalamazoo instead of taking the train?
>
> Because it would cost $200 instead of $30 and take about the same time
> as the train.

All right. Do it your way.

alyce

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At 02:06 PM 12/22/2002 -0600, aht wrote:

>Now let the ass-kissing begin! All Hail Adam! the Queen is dead, long live
>the King!

Condolences, Adam..

cwv

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All but the last step (tomorrow's slicing) is complete now, but I did
two really dumb things this time.  One was that the cheese I bought was
way too fat to roll neatly.  So I went and bought some more cheese --
much thinner -- and now have a ton of cheese in my refrigerator that
I'll end up throwing away at some point.  But then another dumb thing
was that for some reason this time I bought square ham instead of
rectangular ham.  That means that the rolls are way too little -- and
will probably be a mess when sliced.  <sigh>.

After rolling the too-little pinwheels I went to visit Mama and found
that one side of her glasses frames has fallen off, that she has lost
the other pair of glasses, and that she's lost the tv remote.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 01:09 PM 12/22/2002 -0800, karen wrote:
>Cutting your own finger to the bone.

OK---how did you do it?

cwv
who has nicked fingers and whittled a little off the tips...

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Hear, hear!!  Excellent passing of the baton.  Let us lift a glass in
toast to Al Essa for having brought us together, to abht for her good
work, to JimB for always being there in the background, and to a long
and happy future with List Honey at the reins -- I mean carrying the
baton.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Karen Kay wrote:
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> Cutting your own finger to the bone.

A most sickening feeling, yes.  What are you doing about it?  Has the
bleeding stopped?  Are you sure no debris is getting trapped inside the
healing finger?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> After rolling the too-little pinwheels I went to visit Mama and found
> that one side of her glasses frames has fallen off, that she has lost
> the other pair of glasses, and that she's lost the tv remote.
>
Look in the wastebasket!

alyce
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


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On Sun, Dec 22, 2002 at 11:42:47AM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= alyce cresap wrote:
= >
= > Natalie Maynor wrote:
= > >
= > > I'm not sure what you would call what I sleep on.  Do you have a
= > > term for it, or do you have to say something like "a mattress on top of
= > > box springs on top of a metal frame"?
= >
= > Sounds like a bed to me. What else would you say constitutes a "real"
= > bed?
=
= Bethany's definition of a real bed would not include what I sleep on.  I
= can't remember what all she said now, but I remember something about
= "rigid sides."
=

Oh, I can so believe this ppooooorrrr thing is still floating
around.  Let me put it out of it's misery.  There is a piece of
furniture called a bed.  There is some configuration of comfort
which is where you go when you wimp out on party guest and say,
"You feel free to finish the wine, I'm going to bed".

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On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:33:52 -0600, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:
>Karen Kay wrote:
>> Cutting your own finger to the bone.
>
>A most sickening feeling, yes.

I really do think it is the most sickening. Cutting your own stomach (like
ritual suicide) is probably more sickening.

>What are you doing about it?

Taking care of it.

>Has the bleeding stopped?

Yes. I was glad I hadn't taken my aspirin yet today.

>Are you sure no debris is getting trapped inside the
>healing finger?

As near as I can be.

Btw, the guideline for blood stopping, straight from the mouth of my
paramedic sister, is 10 minutes. Mine hadn't stopped, but had very
significantly slowed at that point, so I was pretty sure I hadn't hit an
artery or anything. (Use ice and pressure, elevate it.)

She suggested a butterfly bandage, but I can't put one on myself, and
Ligniere hasn't returned my pre-accident phone call.

This was excitement I didn't need.

My cat looks much better, but I'm going to abandon it again starting
tomorrow. A friend is going to come by on the 26th and feed and water it,
but that's the best I could do by it. So it's going to feel abandoned all
over again. I'll try to make it up when I come back.

Karen

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Look in the wastebasket!

Yes, that is always my first thought when she loses something, but they
empty it several times a day.  Usually when I find out about these
losses there's little or nothing in the trash can.

--
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Btw, the guideline for blood stopping, straight from the mouth of my
> paramedic sister, is 10 minutes. Mine hadn't stopped, but had very
> significantly slowed at that point, so I was pretty sure I hadn't hit an
> artery or anything. (Use ice and pressure, elevate it.)

Eek.  I don't know whether to be glad or unglad that I hadn't known this
about the ten minutes before.  I have bled much longer than ten minutes
after cutting myself on many occasions.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:27:29 -0500, clyde w. voigtlander <cwv@PANAX.COM> wrote:
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>>Cutting your own finger to the bone.
>
>OK---how did you do it?

It's a sad and stupid story of a dried-out lemon, a not-very-sharp knife,
and an inattentive Karen. (I was making salmon for lunch.)

Karen

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On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:08:06 -0600, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:
>Karen Kay wrote:
>> Btw, the guideline for blood stopping, straight from the mouth of my
>> paramedic sister, is 10 minutes. Mine hadn't stopped, but had very
>> significantly slowed at that point, so I was pretty sure I hadn't hit an
>> artery or anything. (Use ice and pressure, elevate it.)
>
>Eek.  I don't know whether to be glad or unglad that I hadn't known this
>about the ten minutes before.  I have bled much longer than ten minutes
>after cutting myself on many occasions.

If you're bleeding as rapidly at 10 minutes as you were when you started,
then I am surprised you're not dead. But that's what the ice, pressure, and
elevation are for, to help slow the bleeding. And bear in mind that this is
a guideline for paramedics, who are actively trying to stop the bleeding,
stabilize you, and get out of there.

Karen

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At 06:08 PM 12/22/2002 -0500, karen wrote:
>On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:27:29 -0500, clyde w. voigtlander <cwv@PANAX.COM>
>wrote:
> >At 01:09 PM 12/22/2002 -0800, karen wrote:
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> >
> >OK---how did you do it?
>
>It's a sad and stupid story of a dried-out lemon, a not-very-sharp knife,
>and an inattentive Karen. (I was making salmon for lunch.)

Yes. Definitely a bad combination---especially the tough lemon and the dull
knife.

Have you tried preserved lemons?  Very easy to make, and easy on the fingers.

cwv

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"Defending Your Life" (w/ Albert Brooks and Meryl Streep) and
"Afterlife", directed by Koreeda Hirokazu
(http://us.imdb.com/Title?0165078).

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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clyde w. voigtlander said:
> Yes. Definitely a bad combination---especially the tough lemon and the dull
> knife.

Nearly a suicidal combination... Ligniere and I had a talk about this
the other day, and he said he was afraid of what would happen.

> Have you tried preserved lemons?  Very easy to make, and easy on the fingers.

Preserved how? Can I still put them on fish?

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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Thank you, all, for your well-wishes and condolences as the case may be
regarding my morphing into List Owner. I will do my best.

Alan, if you meant to ask if I have received a package from you yet, no, I
haven't.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> Thank you, all, for your well-wishes and condolences as the case may be
> regarding my morphing into List Owner. I will do my best.

Is the old listowners' list still around, with Eric at the helm?

I can tell that I need to give up typing tonight.  My two bandaided
fingers
are dfriving me crazy.  The good news is that I went on and sliced the
pinwheels, and they're gonna be ok -- littler than they should be, but I
sliced them thicker to try to make up for that.  They're now stacked
between waxed paper on a paper plate in the refrigerator.  The bad news
isn't very bad compared with Karen's to-the-bone cut.  I sliced two
fingers -- with a too-sharp knife -- will tell about knives tomorrow --
it is taking me incredibly long to type this because of the bandaids --
plus wiping blood off the keyboard.  The slices are small, but the
bleeding doesn't seem to be slowing down.  I've gone through several
bandaids so far.  If y'all don't hear from me tomorrow, it's because
I've died.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Adam Hartfield said:
> Thank you, all, for your well-wishes and condolences as the case may be
> regarding my morphing into List Owner. I will do my best.

That goes without saying.:)

Karen
who is sad because she said goodbye to Ligniere tonight

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Natalie Maynor said:
> bleeding doesn't seem to be slowing down.  I've gone through several
> bandaids so far.  If y'all don't hear from me tomorrow, it's because
> I've died.

Natalie, if you ever have to have an operation, do mention to the
surgeon that you're a slow clotter. Please.

Karen
who has only used one bandaid so far.

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1) Are there fire ants in Utah?

2) Why do Westerns never deal with fire ants? Had they not arrived so
   far north yet?


Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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        What an ill-natured bunch of people booksellers are.

alyce cresap wrote:

> The question was raised about what other merchandise a bookstore might
> sell to keep from going out of business:
>
> At 05:35 PM 12/19/2002 -0800, Jeffrey Sandrone wrote:
>
>>Sell candles.  The fourth candle store just opened here within about a one
>>square mile area.  The gift shop next store sells Yankee Candles at $25.00 a
>>jar.  Try selling a book, ANY book, for that amount and I get laughed at.  I
>>did a direct mailing, 20% off coupon, to 500 of her candle club members and
>>not one single coupon came in.  It would seem that candle lovers are not
>>book lovers.
>>
>
> Sorry to be responding so late to this (once again playing catch-up
> with mailing list mail, I'm afraid), but I just can't resist.
>
> Our shop is in the same town as the Yankee Candle mothership
> (which is literally three blocks away, as a matter of fact). This
> huge place is one of the biggest tourist attractions in New England,
> selling not only candles but an incredible array of other overpriced
> brightly packaged, mass-produced plastic "quaintly old-fashioned"
> tourist-oriented crap all laid out in a noisy, frenetic environment
> complete with scary bargain basement animatronics, the combined
> smells of hundreds of synthetically produced candle "aromas," and
> enough hustle & bustle and hurtling humanity to put Union Station
> to shame. In other words,  Yankee Candle is the apotheosis of
> middle-class shopping mecca hell.
>
> Other candle shops (or "shoppes" if the owners are especially
> desperate in their attempt to seem quaint) have opened up around
> here to try to get in on some of that tourist action, but they fall
> flat on their faces. It's Yankee Candle the folks want, and it's
> Yankee Candle which consistently is full of screaming children,
> tottering geezers, and beleaguered parents trying with grim
> determination to have the good time that was promised them
> in that colorful brochure.
>
> It is a rare day indeed that our bookstore gets more than a few
> stragglers from Yankee Candle, although the occasional bewildered
> spouse does reel in, wanting a quiet respite whilst hubby or wifey
> is immersed in the Yankee Candle Experience. But we knew that
> when we moved here; we never expected much fallout from that
> place.
>
> We do, however, get a fair number of people from the other big
> local tourist attraction, namely Historic Deerfield which is just a
> hop skip & jump in the other direction and which doesn't, so far
> as I can tell, get a whole lot of overlap from Yankee Candle either.
>
> Just goes to show that some tourist-type places are a good fit
> with bookstores, but not all of them, be they ever so humongous.
> (Of course, Yankee Candle is a big help to us in one very major
> way -- which is that it provides a lot of tax revenue for the town,
> thereby keeping our own property taxes in check).
>
>
> --
> alyce cresap, books & ephemera
> po box 20, germantown, ny 12526
> 518.537.4727 | alybooks@valstar.net
> http://www.alybooks.com
> charter member: IOBA
> independent on-line booksellers association
> selling books since 1963
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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harrr...

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> Thank you, all, for your well-wishes and condolences as the case may be
> regarding my morphing into List Owner. I will do my best.
>
> Alan, if you meant to ask if I have received a package from you yet, no, I
> haven't.
>
> --Adam
> adamh1@attbi.com

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On 22 Dec 2002 at 18:28, Karen Kay wrote:

> 2) Why do Westerns never deal with fire ants?

A. It is devilishly hard to write good dialogue for fire ants.

B. Fire ants are notoriously poor at packing a .44 and hence could
not participate meaningfully in the shootouts that are a staple of
westerns.

C. Because of their short stride, fire ants don't do well in the
chase scenes that are another staple of westerns.

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'Wish I'd gotten it out sooner...

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> harrr...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adam Hartfield" <adamh1@attbi.com>
> To: <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 8:59 PM
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>
>
> > Thank you, all, for your well-wishes and condolences as the case may be
> > regarding my morphing into List Owner. I will do my best.
> >
> > Alan, if you meant to ask if I have received a package from you yet, no,
I
> > haven't.
> >
> > --Adam
> > adamh1@attbi.com

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> They do sell the pads by themselves.  Nor are the couches that
> flimsy.  LLBean sells one that is quite expensive.  I've seen this kind of
> futon couch that is made out of some very expensive woods.  I've slept on
> one once.  It was quite comfortable.

Dead bird, I know, but the couch you sat on at SnowBash is a futon with a
very nice frame. It is comfortable to sleep on, as both Rashmi and Emily can
attest.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Natalie, if you ever have to have an operation, do mention to the
> surgeon that you're a slow clotter. Please.

I've had operations.  Didn't mention clotting.  Figure that's up to the
medical people to know more about than I do.  But I am happy to report
that I have <clotted> now.  One of the small cuts seems to be totally
dry now, and the other one is just barely oozing very minorly.  So y'all
don't need to watch for my postings tomorrow morning to know whether
I've died.  I haven't.  Or at least not from blood loss.  Well, not from
anything else either at the moment.  But who knows when I may die in the
night.  That's why I always make sure Spencer has plenty of water before
I go to bed.  At this time of year it could be a long, long time before
I was found.  I hope Spencer could jump out or dig out in such an event
and find his way to food and water.  I'm serious.  That worries me.
Spencer has made it on his own in the past, but he is jailed within a
fence here.  If it rains, his outside water bowl fills up, and I am
confident he could manage to kill and eat a squirrel or bird if he
really needed to.  But what if it doesn't rain?
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 05:15 PM 12/22/2002 -0800, karen wrote:

>Nearly a suicidal combination... Ligniere and I had a talk about this
>the other day, and he said he was afraid of what would happen.

Yes.  Despite what Natalie says, a knife cannot be too sharp.

>Preserved how? Can I still put them on fish?

Slice lemons about 1/8 inch thick.  Put a layer in a non-reactive bowl,
sprinkle with tablespoon or two of kosher salt, continue until you use up
the lemon slices.  Cover with plastic wrap on the surface of the top layer
of lemons, let stand at room temperature for 24-48 hours.  Shake off the
residual salt, store in glass in the refrigerator.  To use, rinse in cold
water, remove seeds if any, and pat dry.

It's a recipe basically to produce somewhat salty and preserved lemons for
relishes.  However, I have used them (rinsed and finely chopped) on veggies
during cooking, in pasta sauce---and tonight, on roasted chicken
breasts.  My guess is that if you held them in water for a little while,
you could get rid of much of the salty taste, if that bothers you (or
whatever you are cooking).

cwv

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> 1) Are there fire ants in Utah?

Have you googled for '"fire ants" utah'?  That should give the answer.

> 2) Why do Westerns never deal with fire ants? Had they not arrived so
>    far north yet?

I was much more an authority on Westerns about fifty years ago than I am
now, but I don't remember that they dealt much with mosquitoes or red
bugs or any other such pests.  Did they?  Iow, I don't know why fireants
would've shown up in them.  I should've asked Roy Rogers that stormy
night I saw him in the Shreveport airport.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Michael E. Macmillan said:
> A. It is devilishly hard to write good dialogue for fire ants.

Hm. Mine are VERY talkative.

> B. Fire ants are notoriously poor at packing a .44 and hence could
> not participate meaningfully in the shootouts that are a staple of
> westerns.

No, but they could be the subject of a Blazing Saddles update.

> C. Because of their short stride, fire ants don't do well in the
> chase scenes that are another staple of westerns.

Well, a fire ant mound might be as deadly to a horse as a gopher
hole...

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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Michael E. Macmillan said:
> On 22 Dec 2002 at 18:28, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > 2) Why do Westerns never deal with fire ants?
>
> A. It is devilishly hard to write good dialogue for fire ants.
>
> B. Fire ants are notoriously poor at packing a .44 and hence could
> not participate meaningfully in the shootouts that are a staple of
> westerns.
>
> C. Because of their short stride, fire ants don't do well in the
> chase scenes that are another staple of westerns.

P.S. Thanks for taking me seriously. I love you, man!

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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Rita Chapman said:
>         What an ill-natured bunch of people booksellers are.

What's ill-natured about this? Or is it Jeffrey Sandrone's post that
you find ill-natured?

> alyce cresap wrote:
>
> > The question was raised about what other merchandise a bookstore might
> > sell to keep from going out of business:
> >
> > At 05:35 PM 12/19/2002 -0800, Jeffrey Sandrone wrote:
> >
> >>Sell candles.  The fourth candle store just opened here within about a one
> >>square mile area.  The gift shop next store sells Yankee Candles at $25.00 a
> >>jar.  Try selling a book, ANY book, for that amount and I get laughed at.  I
> >>did a direct mailing, 20% off coupon, to 500 of her candle club members and
> >>not one single coupon came in.  It would seem that candle lovers are not
> >>book lovers.
> >>
> >
> > Sorry to be responding so late to this (once again playing catch-up
> > with mailing list mail, I'm afraid), but I just can't resist.
> >
> > Our shop is in the same town as the Yankee Candle mothership
> > (which is literally three blocks away, as a matter of fact). This
> > huge place is one of the biggest tourist attractions in New England,
> > selling not only candles but an incredible array of other overpriced
> > brightly packaged, mass-produced plastic "quaintly old-fashioned"
> > tourist-oriented crap all laid out in a noisy, frenetic environment
> > complete with scary bargain basement animatronics, the combined
> > smells of hundreds of synthetically produced candle "aromas," and
> > enough hustle & bustle and hurtling humanity to put Union Station
> > to shame. In other words,  Yankee Candle is the apotheosis of
> > middle-class shopping mecca hell.
> >
> > Other candle shops (or "shoppes" if the owners are especially
> > desperate in their attempt to seem quaint) have opened up around
> > here to try to get in on some of that tourist action, but they fall
> > flat on their faces. It's Yankee Candle the folks want, and it's
> > Yankee Candle which consistently is full of screaming children,
> > tottering geezers, and beleaguered parents trying with grim
> > determination to have the good time that was promised them
> > in that colorful brochure.
> >
> > It is a rare day indeed that our bookstore gets more than a few
> > stragglers from Yankee Candle, although the occasional bewildered
> > spouse does reel in, wanting a quiet respite whilst hubby or wifey
> > is immersed in the Yankee Candle Experience. But we knew that
> > when we moved here; we never expected much fallout from that
> > place.
> >
> > We do, however, get a fair number of people from the other big
> > local tourist attraction, namely Historic Deerfield which is just a
> > hop skip & jump in the other direction and which doesn't, so far
> > as I can tell, get a whole lot of overlap from Yankee Candle either.
> >
> > Just goes to show that some tourist-type places are a good fit
> > with bookstores, but not all of them, be they ever so humongous.
> > (Of course, Yankee Candle is a big help to us in one very major
> > way -- which is that it provides a lot of tax revenue for the town,
> > thereby keeping our own property taxes in check).
> >
> >
> > --
> > alyce cresap, books & ephemera
> > po box 20, germantown, ny 12526
> > 518.537.4727 | alybooks@valstar.net
> > http://www.alybooks.com
> > charter member: IOBA
> > independent on-line booksellers association
> > selling books since 1963
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>
>

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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At 09:25 PM 12/22/2002 -0600, natalie wrote:
>  I should've asked Roy Rogers that stormy
>night I saw him in the Shreveport airport.

Roy Rogers was from Ohio.  What the hell would he know about fire ants in
the West?

cwv

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Natalie Maynor said:
> I've had operations.  Didn't mention clotting.  Figure that's up to the
> medical people to know more about than I do.

No one knows more about you than you do.

> But I am happy to report
> that I have <clotted> now.

I'm relieved.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> Yes.  Despite what Natalie says, a knife cannot be too sharp.

Oh -- I had forgotten that I said I was going to report on the knife
situation.  One can be too sharp if you expect it to be duller.  For
pretty much my whole adult life I've used the same kitchen knife --
actually two -- a large one and a tiny one.  I still tend to use that
same old large one for all purposes.  I think it may be officially a
bread knife since it has a serrated age.  Sometime within the past year,
however, I stumbled upon one of these knife things -- a wooden block
holding a bunch of knives of varying sizes -- at a junk shop.  It was
new, not used, but at a huge discount.  So I bought it.  When I realized
my stupidity today in getting the wrong ham size and having the
pinwheels so tiny, I decided to try one of those knives in the block
since it might be sharper than my old knife.  And indeed it was.  I've
cut myself a gazillion times when chopping/slicing, but I really don't
think I would have this time if I had been using my old knife.  It
would've stopped before breaking the flesh with the minor force I was
using for this chopping scene.  The new knife didn't stop.  It just
sliced right on into my fingers.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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clyde w. voigtlander said:
> At 05:15 PM 12/22/2002 -0800, karen wrote:
> >Nearly a suicidal combination... Ligniere and I had a talk about this
> >the other day, and he said he was afraid of what would happen.
>
> Yes.  Despite what Natalie says, a knife cannot be too sharp.

I had planned to sharpen it first and forgot.:(

> >Preserved how? Can I still put them on fish?
>
> Slice lemons about 1/8 inch thick.  Put a layer in a non-reactive bowl,
> sprinkle with tablespoon or two of kosher salt, continue until you use up
> the lemon slices.  Cover with plastic wrap on the surface of the top layer
> of lemons, let stand at room temperature for 24-48 hours.  Shake off the
> residual salt, store in glass in the refrigerator.  To use, rinse in cold
> water, remove seeds if any, and pat dry.
>
> It's a recipe basically to produce somewhat salty and preserved lemons for
> relishes.  However, I have used them (rinsed and finely chopped) on veggies
> during cooking, in pasta sauce---and tonight, on roasted chicken
> breasts.  My guess is that if you held them in water for a little while,
> you could get rid of much of the salty taste, if that bothers you (or
> whatever you are cooking).

Bingo! You are my hero. I happened to have bought a huge amount of
kosher salt a while back (lust in the bulk food aisle...), so I can
use some of it on this.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Rita Chapman said:
> >         What an ill-natured bunch of people booksellers are.
>
> What's ill-natured about this? Or is it Jeffrey Sandrone's post that
> you find ill-natured?

I wouldn't say ill-natured.  But I would say condescending in some
ways.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > 1) Are there fire ants in Utah?
>
> Have you googled for '"fire ants" utah'?  That should give the answer.

See my header.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
> >  I should've asked Roy Rogers that stormy
> >night I saw him in the Shreveport airport.
>
> Roy Rogers was from Ohio.  What the hell would he know about fire ants in
> the West?

I thought the question was about Westerns, not about The West (the
second question, I mean -- not the first question).

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Yes.  Despite what Natalie says, a knife cannot be too sharp.
>
> I had planned to sharpen it first and forgot.:(

I don't understand at all.  Why does a dull knife cut farther into one's
flesh than a sharp knife does?  I guess I can see how it might make a
less neat cut -- how it might scrunch the flesh more than a sharp knife
does.  Is that the difference?

Re sharpening a knife -- how does one do that?  I never have in my whole
life, even though I'm still using almost daily the knives I've been
using almost daily since I graduated from college in '65.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor said:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> > >
> > > 1) Are there fire ants in Utah?
> >
> > Have you googled for '"fire ants" utah'?  That should give the answer.
>
> See my header.

Ah -- subject headers.  I sometimes don't notice them, as is obvious
from my question above.

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I think no.  The first google result was this:

http://www.three-peaks.net/annette/Ants.htm

I didn't read very far into it but saw that she moved to Summerville,
SC, and encountered fire ants.
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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > > Yes.  Despite what Natalie says, a knife cannot be too sharp.
> >
> > I had planned to sharpen it first and forgot.:(
>
> I don't understand at all.  Why does a dull knife cut farther into one's
> flesh than a sharp knife does?

It doesn't--but a sharper knife might have cut into the lemon instead
of sliding off and cutting into my flesh.

> I guess I can see how it might make a
> less neat cut -- how it might scrunch the flesh more than a sharp knife
> does.  Is that the difference?

No.

> Re sharpening a knife -- how does one do that?

I use a sharpening steel, but once-I-have-an-income, I will probably
take at least some of my knives to a knife-sharpener.

> I never have in my whole
> life, even though I'm still using almost daily the knives I've been
> using almost daily since I graduated from college in '65.

Ca va sans dire. I expected as much.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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Having postponed my holiday shopping for far too long, I am now in a state
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What is a good present to give a nine-and-a-half-year-old niece?  I don't
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> What is a good present to give a nine-and-a-half-year-old niece?  I don't
> need anything fancy or special, just something not hideously
inappropriate.

Gift certificate--

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>I've spoken up here before about not being a B&B fan. I
>dread florals, chintz, frilly flounces - all of which
>abound in B&Bs.

Cheryl & I joked for years about the mythical "B&B warehouse" that we
knew must exist somewhere, with row upon row of dried floral wreaths,
teddy bears, crocheted bedspreads and dainty handpainted china. Then,
on an antiquing expedition, we walked into it -- a huge building
outside Medford, which said "antiques" on the outside but was the One
True B&B Warehouse. Terrifying.

Janet
www.greenerypress.com

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Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 21:53:44 -0800
From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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>  >Bethany's definition of a real bed would not include what I sleep on.  I
>>can't remember what all she said now, but I remember something about
>>"rigid sides."     -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>And a headboard and a footboard.  I got to thinking what Bethany said about
>a bed like that offering more support than a metal frame bed.  That makes
>no sense because in either case the box spring is only supported on the
>edges.   I've never seen a bed that had a complete bottom holding up the
>box spring.

If it has a complete bottom, one normally doesn't bother with a box
spring. I sleep on a platform bed that's basically a large box (with
drawers in the sides) with edges to hold my mattress in place. It's
the most comfortable bed I've ever had.

Janet
www.greenerypress.com

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>What is a good present to give a nine-and-a-half-year-old niece?  I don't
>need anything fancy or special, just something not hideously inappropriate.

"Harriet The Spy."

Janet

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In a message dated 12/22/2002 11:06:32 PM Central Standard Time,
bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM writes:

<<
What is a good present to give a nine-and-a-half-year-old niece?  I don't
need anything fancy or special, just something not hideously inappropriate.


>>

What are her interests?  If you don't know, a gift card to Limited, Too
would be good.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

Spike had a little trip to the vet, and now
he can't chase the other puppies anymore.
--Spike

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Janet Hardy said:
> >What is a good present to give a nine-and-a-half-year-old niece?  I don't
> >need anything fancy or special, just something not hideously inappropriate.
>
> "Harriet The Spy."

YES!

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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On Sun, Dec 22, 2002 at 09:06:03PM -0800, Bookrat wrote:
> What is a good present to give a nine-and-a-half-year-old niece?  I don't
> need anything fancy or special, just something not hideously inappropriate.

2 words, "American Girl Place"? Duh!

I mean 3 words, heh heh, sorry ... A lameass gift certificate should
be fine, because it's online and stuff ... www.americangirl.com

what a scam

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On Sun, Dec 22, 2002 at 09:53:44PM -0800, Janet Hardy wrote:
> If it has a complete bottom, one normally doesn't bother with a box
> spring. I sleep on a platform bed that's basically a large box (with
> drawers in the sides) with edges to hold my mattress in place. It's
> the most comfortable bed I've ever had.

Write a book about it, "The Complete Bottom"

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>On Sun, Dec 22, 2002 at 09:53:44PM -0800, Janet Hardy wrote:
>>  If it has a complete bottom, one normally doesn't bother with a box
>>  spring. I sleep on a platform bed that's basically a large box (with
>>  drawers in the sides) with edges to hold my mattress in place. It's
>>  the most comfortable bed I've ever had.
>
>Write a book about it, "The Complete Bottom"

Jack Rinella wrote "The Compleat Slave," & Dossie & I wrote "The
Bottoming Book"... I think the ground's pretty well covered.

Janet

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On Sun, Dec 22, 2002 at 10:22:48PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= Janet Hardy said:
= > >What is a good present to give a nine-and-a-half-year-old niece?  I don't
= > >need anything fancy or special, just something not hideously inappropriate.
= >
= > "Harriet The Spy."
=
= YES!
=
= Karen

Careful with that.  I read it when I was 7 or so and would have
been terribly insulted.  Of course I tended to be terribly
insulted with almost any gift anyone ever gave me up until I was
about 39 or so, and then I remembered that you're at least
supposed to smile and say thank you, and not have this totally
crestfallen look on your face when you do.

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On Sun, Dec 22, 2002 at 09:55:22PM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= Karen Kay wrote:
=
= > > Yes.  Despite what Natalie says, a knife cannot be too sharp.
= >
= > I had planned to sharpen it first and forgot.:(
=

You're not supposed to let them get so dull that forgetting once
has such disasterous results!

=
= Re sharpening a knife -- how does one do that?  I never have in my whole
= life, even though I'm still using almost daily the knives I've been
= using almost daily since I graduated from college in '65.
=
= --
=  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I have a steel that I use, my BIL uses a stone.  Either way, you
need a bit of instruction.  I think a steel is less fuss, and
needs less skill to get right.  I'll bet someone in your lunch bunch
could show you.  Probably you can get a steel at Walmart.  Or
there might be a knife shop around.  They will probably also
sharpen your knives for you (for a fee).  Either that or someone
will show you in Maine this summer, I'm sure.

Your knives might sharpen up very nicely, or they might be ready
for the bin.

Seeing as you haven't cut anything with a sharp knife in nearly
my lifetime, if you can't find a quick way to get your knives
sharpened, spend about $7 on any one knife of your choosing.  Be
prepared for the fact that it will be sharp!  Use it to cut
something easy first, like a cucumber, so you get a feel for how
it works.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I don't understand at all.  Why does a dull knife cut farther into one's
> > flesh than a sharp knife does?
>
> It doesn't--but a sharper knife might have cut into the lemon instead
> of sliding off and cutting into my flesh.

Ah so.  I understand now.

> > I never have in my whole
> > life, even though I'm still using almost daily the knives I've been
> > using almost daily since I graduated from college in '65.
>
> Ca va sans dire. I expected as much.

Why?  I don't remember that we've ever discussed knife-sharpening
before.  Why would you have any idea at all about my relationship with
knives?

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Bookrat wrote:

> What is a good present to give a nine-and-a-half-year-old niece?  I don't
> need anything fancy or special, just something not hideously inappropriate.

A book if you know her reading tastes and know which ones she already
has or has read.  Does she like jewelry?  If so, you might find
something like an inexpensive pin or bracelet or such representing some
kind of interest she has -- like a dog bracelet if she's into dogs.  Or
maybe something like a scarf (a winter kind, I mean -- not a silk
scarf).  Or a game of some kind -- identified as appropriate by looking
at age labels on games in a store and choosing something
ever-so-slightly above her age level in order not to risk insulting her.

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>>I've spoken up here before about not being a B&B fan. I
>>dread florals, chintz, frilly flounces - all of which
>>abound in B&Bs.

Even many B&B owners don't really prefer that kind of thing.  The owners of
The Hearthside (floral wallpaper, teddy bears, lace, frill) built a house
on the island about five years ago.  It's a log house.  Very sparse
inside.  Simple modern decor.  No curtains on the windows
whatsoever.   Frank Lloyd Wright patterned stained glass pieces here and there.

I know another woman who owns a B&B and would like to build a post and beam
house so that she will never have to look at wallboard, trim, or wallpaper
again.

But there must be plenty of people who expect and enjoy Victorian-style
decor in their B&B.  It sells well here in New England.


    --bonniev

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steph wrote:

>   Probably you can get a steel at Walmart.  Or
> there might be a knife shop around.  They will probably also
> sharpen your knives for you (for a fee).

No knife shops around here.  But I really have no complaint at all about
either of the two knives I've been using for years.  And I don't think
either one of them would be worth the cost of paying somebody to sharpen
them.  It would be cheaper to replace them probably.

> Seeing as you haven't cut anything with a sharp knife in nearly
> my lifetime, if you can't find a quick way to get your knives
> sharpened, spend about $7 on any one knife of your choosing.  Be
> prepared for the fact that it will be sharp!  Use it to cut
> something easy first, like a cucumber, so you get a feel for how
> it works.

But I have a whole wooden block full of very sharp knives, most of them
never used.  That's why I cut myself last night -- when I decided to use
one of those knives instead of my old tried-and-true knife.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Mon, Dec 23, 2002 at 07:46:20AM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= steph wrote:
=
= >   Probably you can get a steel at Walmart.  Or
= > there might be a knife shop around.  They will probably also
= > sharpen your knives for you (for a fee).
=
= No knife shops around here.  But I really have no complaint at all about

Well, I was expecting that.  That's why all the other stuff.  But
if someone else is reading this, they might want to go to a knife
shop.

= either of the two knives I've been using for years.  And I don't think
= either one of them would be worth the cost of paying somebody to sharpen
= them.  It would be cheaper to replace them probably.
=

The last time I had a knife sharpened, it was my pocket knife,
and it cost $1.50.  You can't buy a decent knife for that.

= > Seeing as you haven't cut anything with a sharp knife in nearly
= > my lifetime, if you can't find a quick way to get your knives
= > sharpened, spend about $7 on any one knife of your choosing.  Be
= > prepared for the fact that it will be sharp!  Use it to cut
= > something easy first, like a cucumber, so you get a feel for how
= > it works.
=
= But I have a whole wooden block full of very sharp knives, most of them
= never used.  That's why I cut myself last night -- when I decided to use
= one of those knives instead of my old tried-and-true knife.
=

Ooops.  I did read that mail.   My brain must be on vacation.

Anyway, there are some of us who use knives and like them to
be sharp!  You might try it on a regular basis and see what it is
we like.

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Here's one native Pascagoulan's reaction to TL:

********
Later Sunday, a police bomb squad was called to Lott's home in a false
alarm
after a passer-by left a box on his mailbox. On the box, in black
marker, were
the words: "We always knew you were a hypocrite, Trent. Thanks for
setting
Mississippi back another 50 years."
********
from: http://www.clarionledger.com/news/0212/23/m02a.html

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 10:41 AM 12/23/2002 +0100, steph wrote:

>I have a steel that I use, my BIL uses a stone.  Either way, you
>need a bit of instruction.  I think a steel is less fuss, and
>needs less skill to get right.  I'll bet someone in your lunch bunch
>could show you.  Probably you can get a steel at Walmart.  Or
>there might be a knife shop around.  They will probably also
>sharpen your knives for you (for a fee).  Either that or someone
>will show you in Maine this summer, I'm sure.

A steel will maintain and lightly "refresh" the edge that the knife has; to
put a new edge on the blade, you need either a stone or a motorized
sharpener. A motorized sharpener (e.g., Chef's Choice) is not all that
handy, but it does a good job of rehabbing a really dull blade.

cwv

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At 09:55 PM 12/22/2002 -0600, natalie wrote:

>I don't understand at all.  Why does a dull knife cut farther into one's
>flesh than a sharp knife does?  I guess I can see how it might make a
>less neat cut -- how it might scrunch the flesh more than a sharp knife
>does.  Is that the difference?

More likely, it's because a really sharp knife requires very little effort
(pressure) to cut, slice, pare, etc., most things.  With a dull blade, you
exert more pressure--even to the point of "sawing," so that any slip brings
the blade into contact with your hand with more force.  You might get more
"nicks" with a sharp blade, especially if you are not accustomed to one,
but fewer serious cuts.

cwv

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At 09:50 PM 12/22/2002 -0800, janet wrote:
 >... with row upon row of dried floral wreaths,
>teddy bears, crocheted bedspreads and dainty handpainted china. Then,
>on an antiquing expedition, we walked into it -- a huge building
>outside Medford, which said "antiques" on the outside but was the One
>True B&B Warehouse. Terrifying.

Those places are widely distributed, sometimes under the headings of
pottery outlets, candle outlets, etc.---there probably isn't an outlet mall
worth the name that doesn't have one.  There <are> however, B&B owners who
have a genuine interest in antique furniture and furnishings and who within
the constraints of paying the mortgage, the plumber, electrician, and so
forth do furnish their places with authentic stuff.  Antiques, whether
Victorian (the most popular mode around here) or otherwise, don't interest
me much as a genre; I was always a bit amused by guests who became ecstatic
over them.

cwv

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steph wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 22, 2002 at 10:22:48PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> = Janet Hardy said:
> = > >What is a good present to give a nine-and-a-half-year-old niece?  I don't
> = > >need anything fancy or special, just something not hideously inappropriate.
> = >
> = > "Harriet The Spy."
> =
> = YES!
> =
> = Karen
>
> Careful with that.  I read it when I was 7 or so and would have
> been terribly insulted.  Of course I tended to be terribly
> insulted with almost any gift anyone ever gave me up until I was
> about 39 or so, and then I remembered that you're at least
> supposed to smile and say thank you, and not have this totally
> crestfallen look on your face when you do.


        You sound like a spoiled brat.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Well! All due salutations and felicitations be yours, LH! Congrats. :-)

Happy Holidays, ya'll! I get to have some of Adam's lebkuchen and you don't.
Nyah nyah! :-D

Melanie

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>>Of course I tended to be terribly
>>insulted with almost any gift anyone ever gave me up until I was
>>about 39 or so, and then I remembered that you're at least
>>supposed to smile and say thank you, and not have this totally
>>crestfallen look on your face when you do.   --steph
>
>
>        You sound like a spoiled brat.
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

Yup.   I was like that too.  There are pictures throughout my baby album of
"Bonnie Pouting".  One is even of me under the Christmas tree, pouting.  I
wish I had a quarter for every time I was told "a little birdy is going to
come and sit on that lower lip."

I'm not sure at one age I learned the smiling and saying thank you
thing.  But I know that I have learned it.  There was just a quiet knock on
our back door.   There was the young woman who owns and runs the village
yarn and candy store.  She was making a cookie run after walking her dog
and before opening the shop.  She walks each morning this winter with
Susan, the owner of The Heathside, and her dog, Mollie.  [small town, I
know]  Deb had a plate filled generously with homemade cookies, "fully
loaded" as she said.   God, they are tasty.  And they say New Englanders
are reserved and stand-offish.  Ha!


    --bonniev

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steph said:
> On Sun, Dec 22, 2002 at 09:55:22PM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> = Karen Kay wrote:
> =
> = > > Yes.  Despite what Natalie says, a knife cannot be too sharp.
> = >
> = > I had planned to sharpen it first and forgot.:(
> =
>
> You're not supposed to let them get so dull that forgetting once
> has such disasterous results!

It was an old lemon, and the skin was very hard.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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Natalie Maynor said:
> > Ca va sans dire. I expected as much.
>
> Why?  I don't remember that we've ever discussed knife-sharpening
> before.  Why would you have any idea at all about my relationship with
> knives?

Because I don't think you're much of a cook. But I'm leaving in a few
hours and don't have time to go down that whole path again.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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bonniev said:
> I know another woman who owns a B&B and would like to build a post and beam
> house so that she will never have to look at wallboard, trim, or wallpaper
> again.

What is a post and beam house? I know pier and beam foundations, but
that's obviously not what you're talking about.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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No time to say goodbye, hello, I'm late, I'm late, for a very
important date.

I'm not really late, but I will be if I don't get off the computer.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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In a message dated 12/22/2002 12:36:02 PM Central Standard Time,
alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<<
I have a pain in my right rib cage
that feels like my ribs are broken (they're not) and nothing gives it
surcease--not Tylenol, Advil, aspirin.
>>

Can you take codeine?  When my ankle was broken, the docs gave
me Tylenol 3 to take for the pain.  It also was the only thing that
eased the pain when I had irritable bowel syndrome.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

Spike had a little trip to the vet, and now
he can't chase the other puppies anymore.
--Spike

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In a message dated 12/22/2002 12:36:02 PM Central Standard Time,
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<<
Neighbors are helping with Spike, shopping, errands.


>>

May God bless them.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

Spike had a little trip to the vet, and now
he can't chase the other puppies anymore.
--Spike

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>What is a post and beam house? I know pier and beam foundations, but
>that's obviously not what you're talking about.     --Karen

Karen has left the house.  But in case anyone else is interested:

http://www.postbeam.com/


    --bonniev

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > Why?  I don't remember that we've ever discussed knife-sharpening
> > before.  Why would you have any idea at all about my relationship with
> > knives?
>
> Because I don't think you're much of a cook. But I'm leaving in a few
> hours and don't have time to go down that whole path again.

I don't think of cooking and knifing as the same thing at all.  I use a
knife almost every day -- for slicing bread, for chopping daikons when I
can find decent ones, for slicing tomatoes in summer, for slicing or
chopping all kinds of things.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Karen Kay wrote:

> What is a post and beam house? I know pier and beam foundations, but
> that's obviously not what you're talking about.

Vertical posts supporting horizontal beams.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Please check in, Alyce.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Evelyn Duncan said:
> In a message dated 12/22/2002 12:36:02 PM Central Standard Time,
> alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:
>
> <<
> I have a pain in my right rib cage
> that feels like my ribs are broken (they're not) and nothing gives it
> surcease--not Tylenol, Advil, aspirin.
> >>
>
> Can you take codeine?  When my ankle was broken, the docs gave
> me Tylenol 3 to take for the pain.  It also was the only thing that
> eased the pain when I had irritable bowel syndrome.

When I had pleurisy, I was given Celebrex, and it worked like a charm.

(But be careful--I find this addictive.)

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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bonniev said:
> Karen has left the house.

No I haven't. But I don't have time to chase the URL.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > > Why?  I don't remember that we've ever discussed knife-sharpening
> > > before.  Why would you have any idea at all about my relationship with
> > > knives?
> >
> > Because I don't think you're much of a cook. But I'm leaving in a few
> > hours and don't have time to go down that whole path again.
>
> I don't think of cooking and knifing as the same thing at all.

Knives are tools.

> I use a
> knife almost every day -- for slicing bread, for chopping daikons when I
> can find decent ones, for slicing tomatoes in summer, for slicing or
> chopping all kinds of things.

And some people never change their oil, or don't wipe off their saw
when they are done with it.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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= >
= > Careful with that.  I read it when I was 7 or so and would have
= > been terribly insulted.  Of course I tended to be terribly
= > insulted with almost any gift anyone ever gave me up until I was
= > about 39 or so, and then I remembered that you're at least
= > supposed to smile and say thank you, and not have this totally
= > crestfallen look on your face when you do.
=
=
=         You sound like a spoiled brat.

Thank you.  I'll be 39 next month.  What are you getting me?

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The company I went and pitched won't decide whether to hire me till
next week.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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In a message dated 12/23/2002 10:03:51 AM Central Standard Time,
karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
The company I went and pitched won't decide whether to hire me till
next week.


>>
They probably don't want to make any decisions while under the
influence of egg nog and rum fruitcake.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

Spike had a little trip to the vet, and now
he can't chase the other puppies anymore.
--Spike

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=
=         You sound like a spoiled brat.
=

Ok.  I made my little joke.

I might very well be a spoiled brat.  I'm thinking about it.

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On Mon, Dec 23, 2002 at 10:00:06AM -0500, bonniev wrote:
= >>Of course I tended to be terribly
= >>insulted with almost any gift anyone ever gave me up until I was
= >>about 39 or so, and then I remembered that you're at least
= >>supposed to smile and say thank you, and not have this totally
= >>crestfallen look on your face when you do.   --steph
= >
= >
= >        You sound like a spoiled brat.
= >Rita Rouvalis Chapman
=
= Yup.   I was like that too.  There are pictures throughout my baby album of
= "Bonnie Pouting".  One is even of me under the Christmas tree, pouting.  I
= wish I had a quarter for every time I was told "a little birdy is going to
= come and sit on that lower lip."
=

Now, no one ever said that to me.

= I'm not sure at one age I learned the smiling and saying thank you
= thing.  But I know that I have learned it.  There was just a quiet knock on
= our back door.   There was the young woman who owns and runs the village
= yarn and candy store.  She was making a cookie run after walking her dog
= and before opening the shop.  She walks each morning this winter with
= Susan, the owner of The Heathside, and her dog, Mollie.  [small town, I
= know]  Deb had a plate filled generously with homemade cookies, "fully
= loaded" as she said.   God, they are tasty.  And they say New Englanders
= are reserved and stand-offish.  Ha!

non-sequitor alert!

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= I don't think of cooking and knifing as the same thing at all.  I use a
= knife almost every day -- for slicing bread, for chopping daikons when I
= can find decent ones, for slicing tomatoes in summer, for slicing or
= chopping all kinds of things.
=
= --
=  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Does cooking require the application of heat?

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Hey, y'all.  I'm alive and doing well.  Just that with the advent of electronic case filing at the Bankruptcy Court there's too much email to deal with everyday for me to remain active on the list.  Bradley Dale keeps me filled in from time to time, however.  I'm  also no longer off on Mondays.  And back tending bar at the Wheel on Saturdays.  I should have a few days off over the holidays so will sign back on until after that.

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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:41:17 -0800
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>At 10:41 AM 12/23/2002 +0100, steph wrote:
>
>>I have a steel that I use, my BIL uses a stone.  Either way, you
>>need a bit of instruction.  I think a steel is less fuss, and
>>needs less skill to get right.  I'll bet someone in your lunch bunch
>>could show you.  Probably you can get a steel at Walmart.  Or
>>there might be a knife shop around.  They will probably also
>>sharpen your knives for you (for a fee).  Either that or someone
>>will show you in Maine this summer, I'm sure.
>
>A steel will maintain and lightly "refresh" the edge that the knife has; to
>put a new edge on the blade, you need either a stone or a motorized
>sharpener. A motorized sharpener (e.g., Chef's Choice) is not all that
>handy, but it does a good job of rehabbing a really dull blade.

My kitchen knives are all carbon steel -- not easy to find these
days, but, IMO, worth looking for. I have a little gadget that Jay
picked up at a gun show years ago -- a plastic holder with two small
crossed steels; you hold it against the edge of the counter and
stroke the knife downwards rapidly a couple of times. It leaves an
edge adequate to most kitchen tasks. But if I want to do something
that requires a really sharp knife (e.g., slicing ripe tomatoes), I
add a few swipes with a traditional steel afterwards.

I have a large, heavy, blunt knife that I picked up at a garage sale
years ago. It's never had much of an edge, but I've been working on
it lately and it's starting to improve.

None of the above applies to stainless steel knives. I gave my dad
one of the gun-show gadgets a few years ago after he admired how
sharp my knives were, but he said it didn't do much for his knives.

Janet

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>Evelyn Duncan said:
>>  In a message dated 12/22/2002 12:36:02 PM Central Standard Time,
>>  alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:
>>
>>  <<
>>  I have a pain in my right rib cage
>>  that feels like my ribs are broken (they're not) and nothing gives it
>>  surcease--not Tylenol, Advil, aspirin.
>>  >>
>>
>>  Can you take codeine?  When my ankle was broken, the docs gave
>>  me Tylenol 3 to take for the pain.  It also was the only thing that
>>  eased the pain when I had irritable bowel syndrome.
>
>When I had pleurisy, I was given Celebrex, and it worked like a charm.
>
>(But be careful--I find this addictive.)

Really? I ran out of Celebrex recently, and within a week I was using
Norco (a strong opiate) to be able to continue functioning during the
move -- but I never felt any withdrawal symptoms; I just hurt.  As
soon as I got more Celebrex, I was able to handle my pain levels day
to day without much additional help at all.

I've never heard of a COX-2 inhibitor, or any NSAID, being addictive.

Janet

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steph said:
> non-sequitor alert!

And my birthday present to you is: non sequitur.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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>None of the above applies to stainless steel knives.
>Janet

Nor does it apply to knives with a serrated edge which is what Natalie uses.


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Please check in, Alyce.

I'm here. Waiting for Levaquin nausea to abate.

alyce

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At 05:26 PM 12/23/2002 +0100, steph wrote:

>Does cooking require the application of heat?

No.

cwv

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At 08:41 AM 12/23/2002 -0800, janet wrote:
 >My kitchen knives are all carbon steel -- not easy to find these
>days, but, IMO, worth looking for. I have a little gadget that Jay
>picked up at a gun show years ago -- a plastic holder with two small
>crossed steels; you hold it against the edge of the counter and
>stroke the knife downwards rapidly a couple of times. It leaves an
>edge adequate to most kitchen tasks.

I've seen those.  Either Wusthof or Henckels markets one for their line of
knives; they eliminate the guesswork about sharpening angles.  Most
good-quality knives these days are high-carbon stainless; they attain and
keep a good edge.  The old-style high-carbon, which I think you are
referring to, are great if you can find them and can accommodate the
staining.  You also can sharpen them on the back of a china plate.

cwv

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I don't think of cooking and knifing as the same thing at all.
>
> Knives are tools.

So are hammers.  But you don't have to be building a house to use a
hammer regularly.

> > I use a
> > knife almost every day -- for slicing bread, for chopping daikons when I
> > can find decent ones, for slicing tomatoes in summer, for slicing or
> > chopping all kinds of things.
>
> And some people never change their oil, or don't wipe off their saw
> when they are done with it.

? This isn't relevant to the original question, which was why you
thought I wouldn't sharpen knives.  I change oil, a/c filter, etc. etc.
religiously.  But I'm glad you mentioned saws since I just remembered
that my tiny hacksaw is still stuck into the screw on the other side of
the toilet in the small bathroom.  I need to go saw some more on it.  (I
finished the one on the door side in just a few days since I was
reminded to saw some more every time I walked in there since the hanging
hacksaw was visible.  It's not visible on the other side, so I keep
forgetting that the task is not yet complete.)

--
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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> <<
> The company I went and pitched won't decide whether to hire me till
> next week.
>
> >>
> They probably don't want to make any decisions while under the
> influence of egg nog and rum fruitcake.

Good point.  It is probably good that they're waiting.  (What does
"pitching a company" mean, btw?)

--
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steph wrote:
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> = I don't think of cooking and knifing as the same thing at all.  I use a
> = knife almost every day -- for slicing bread, for chopping daikons when I
> = can find decent ones, for slicing tomatoes in summer, for slicing or
> = chopping all kinds of things.
> =
> = --
> =  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> Does cooking require the application of heat?

I don't know.  I gather from what people say here that it does, but I'm
not really sure.

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jbh wrote:
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> Hey, y'all.  I'm alive and doing well.

It's high time you checked in!

>  I should have a few days off over the holidays so will sign back on until after that.

Excellent!

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bonniev wrote:

> Nor does it apply to knives with a serrated edge which is what Natalie uses.

Only one of my knives has a serrated edge.  The one I sliced my fingers
with last night doesn't.  Nor do any of its companions in the knife
block, I'm pretty sure.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> I'm here. Waiting for Levaquin nausea to abate.

I think you mentioned five more pills yesterday.  How often do you take
them?  Iow, when will it be over?

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On Mon, Dec 23, 2002 at 12:00:45AM -0800, Janet Hardy wrote:
> Jack Rinella wrote "The Compleat Slave," & Dossie & I wrote "The
> Bottoming Book"... I think the ground's pretty well covered.
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Heh heh

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Janet Hardy said:
> Really? I ran out of Celebrex recently, and within a week I was using
> Norco (a strong opiate) to be able to continue functioning during the
> move -- but I never felt any withdrawal symptoms; I just hurt.  As
> soon as I got more Celebrex, I was able to handle my pain levels day
> to day without much additional help at all.
>
> I've never heard of a COX-2 inhibitor, or any NSAID, being addictive.

I guess I would say it's psychologically addictive. It's so *nice* not
to feel all the little normal aches and pains (that I'm not really
aware of)! I had to taper off instead of going cold turkey.

I don't usually have problems with drugs or alcohol, or even food. But
this was a real exception.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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clyde w. voigtlander said:
> You also can sharpen them on the back of a china plate.

Only if it has a foot.:) I remember this trick.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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<slap>


At 09:59 AM 12/23/2002 -0500, you wrote:
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>
>Happy Holidays, ya'll! I get to have some of Adam's lebkuchen and you don't.
>Nyah nyah! :-D
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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > > I don't think of cooking and knifing as the same thing at all.
> >
> > Knives are tools.
>
> So are hammers.  But you don't have to be building a house to use a
> hammer regularly.
>
> > > I use a
> > > knife almost every day -- for slicing bread, for chopping daikons when I
> > > can find decent ones, for slicing tomatoes in summer, for slicing or
> > > chopping all kinds of things.
> >
> > And some people never change their oil, or don't wipe off their saw
> > when they are done with it.
>
> ? This isn't relevant to the original question, which was why you
> thought I wouldn't sharpen knives.  I change oil, a/c filter, etc. etc.
> religiously.

But you eat handfuls of prepared lettuce over the sink, which is the
cooking equivalent.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> > <<
> > The company I went and pitched won't decide whether to hire me till
> > next week.
> >
> > >>
> > They probably don't want to make any decisions while under the
> > influence of egg nog and rum fruitcake.
>
> Good point.  It is probably good that they're waiting.

I disagree--it means that someone important still needs to be sold.

> (What does "pitching a company" mean, btw?)

Someone else can explain this.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:04:16 -0800
From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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>At 08:41 AM 12/23/2002 -0800, janet wrote:
>  >My kitchen knives are all carbon steel -- not easy to find these
>>days, but, IMO, worth looking for. I have a little gadget that Jay
>>picked up at a gun show years ago -- a plastic holder with two small
>>crossed steels; you hold it against the edge of the counter and
>>stroke the knife downwards rapidly a couple of times. It leaves an
>>edge adequate to most kitchen tasks.
>
>I've seen those.  Either Wusthof or Henckels markets one for their line of
>knives; they eliminate the guesswork about sharpening angles.  Most
>good-quality knives these days are high-carbon stainless; they attain and
>keep a good edge.

My "play knife" is blued high-carbon stainless. It's beautiful and it
takes a pretty good edge (I don't keep it very sharp), but for
cooking I like my carbon steel.

>The old-style high-carbon, which I think you are
>referring to, are great if you can find them and can accommodate the
>staining.  You also can sharpen them on the back of a china plate.

Hmm. Will stoneware work, or does it have to be china? I haven't
owned china in years.

Janet

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > > And some people never change their oil, or don't wipe off their saw
> > > when they are done with it.
> >
> > ? This isn't relevant to the original question, which was why you
> > thought I wouldn't sharpen knives.  I change oil, a/c filter, etc. etc.
> > religiously.
>
> But you eat handfuls of prepared lettuce over the sink, which is the
> cooking equivalent.

Huh?  The equivalent of what?  What does "prepared" mean in this
context, btw?  What is unprepared lettuce?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Good point.  It is probably good that they're waiting.
>
> I disagree--it means that someone important still needs to be sold.

That important person may be out of town celebrating xmas or may be
drunk on too much eggnog or whatever.

> > (What does "pitching a company" mean, btw?)
>
> Someone else can explain this.

I hope so.  I tried to figure it out but couldn't.  I know what it means
to pitch yourself to a company (or to pitch somebody else).  I also know
what it would mean to pitch a company -- like to do pr for it.  But that
idea didn't make any sense to me in the context of your posting.

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Janet Hardy said:
> Hmm. Will stoneware work, or does it have to be china? I haven't
> owned china in years.

It has to be porcelain. The particles of clay are smaller and it's
harder because it's fired at a much higher temp.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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>I hope so.  I tried to figure it out but couldn't.  I know what it means
>to pitch yourself to a company (or to pitch somebody else).  I also know
>what it would mean to pitch a company -- like to do pr for it.  But that
>idea didn't make any sense to me in the context of your posting.

A pitch is an attempt to sell something. Karen is selling herself to
this company, hence, she is pitching it. This is most likely
advertising-ese; at least that's where I first heard it.

Janet

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > > Good point.  It is probably good that they're waiting.
> >
> > I disagree--it means that someone important still needs to be sold.
>
> That important person may be out of town celebrating xmas or may be
> drunk on too much eggnog or whatever.

I know this isn't true.

> > > (What does "pitching a company" mean, btw?)
> >
> > Someone else can explain this.
>
> I hope so.  I tried to figure it out but couldn't.  I know what it means
> to pitch yourself to a company (or to pitch somebody else).  I also know
> what it would mean to pitch a company -- like to do pr for it.  But that
> idea didn't make any sense to me in the context of your posting.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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At 09:38 AM 12/23/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>Natalie Maynor said:
> > Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> > > <<
> > > The company I went and pitched won't decide whether to hire me till
> > > next week.
> > >
> > > >>
> > > They probably don't want to make any decisions while under the
> > > influence of egg nog and rum fruitcake.
> >
> > Good point.  It is probably good that they're waiting.
>
>I disagree--it means that someone important still needs to be sold.
>
> > (What does "pitching a company" mean, btw?)
>
>Someone else can explain this.

You don't have time.  Have a wonderful holiday trip with your
family.   Wishing you the best when you return.

Betty

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Janet Hardy writes,

>A pitch is an attempt to sell something. Karen is selling herself to
>this company, hence, she is pitching it. This is most likely
>advertising-ese; at least that's where I first heard it.

It's standard VC and bizdev lingo, too.

The weird thing is that the construction has an implied but omitted object:
Karen pitched (the idea to) the company.

Sometimes I hear it with the object after, particularly with "sold": Karen
sold the company on the idea.

Pete

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Janet Hardy wrote:
>
> >I hope so.  I tried to figure it out but couldn't.  I know what it means
> >to pitch yourself to a company (or to pitch somebody else).  I also know
> >what it would mean to pitch a company -- like to do pr for it.  But that
> >idea didn't make any sense to me in the context of your posting.
>
> A pitch is an attempt to sell something. Karen is selling herself to
> this company, hence, she is pitching it. This is most likely
> advertising-ese; at least that's where I first heard it.

I know what a pitch means.  If Karen had said that she had been pitching
herself to the company, it would have been totally clear.  What was not
clear to me was why she would be pitching the company -- like pitching
it to whom for what reason.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Peter Kaminski said:
> The weird thing is that the construction has an implied but omitted object:
> Karen pitched (the idea to) the company.

I would say 'my services', but you're right--it's really 'the idea of
the value of my services'.

> Sometimes I hear it with the object after, particularly with "sold": Karen
> sold the company on the idea.

I wish!:)

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Janet Hardy wrote:
> >
> > >I hope so.  I tried to figure it out but couldn't.  I know what it means
> > >to pitch yourself to a company (or to pitch somebody else).  I also know
> > >what it would mean to pitch a company -- like to do pr for it.  But that
> > >idea didn't make any sense to me in the context of your posting.
> >
> > A pitch is an attempt to sell something. Karen is selling herself to
> > this company, hence, she is pitching it. This is most likely
> > advertising-ese; at least that's where I first heard it.
>
> I know what a pitch means.  If Karen had said that she had been pitching
> herself to the company, it would have been totally clear.  What was not
> clear to me was why she would be pitching the company -- like pitching
> it to whom for what reason.

This is such common usage, I wonder if anyone else didn't understand it.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I think you mentioned five more pills yesterday.  How often do you take
> them?  Iow, when will it be over?

One a day. Four to go. Friday.

alyce

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>From: bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM>
>Karen has left the house.  But in case anyone else is interested:
>
>http://www.postbeam.com/

That cute little house on the upper right is *exactly* my parents' Poconos
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Marie

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How are you doing this morning?

Betty

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At 01:17 AM 12/21/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>If Mom has to undergo radiation or chemo, what can we expect?
>
>Evelyn

Radiation will cause hair loss, appetite loss and some nausea.
Chemo might cause neuropathy and nausea.

Depends on cancer type and amount of chemo and radiation.

check out http://www.oncolink.com/ for lots of info.


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alyce cresap said:
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > I think you mentioned five more pills yesterday.  How often do you take
> > them?  Iow, when will it be over?
>
> One a day. Four to go. Friday.

I'll be thinking of you. I'm SO sorry you're taking this drug.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> This is such common usage, I wonder if anyone else didn't understand it.

First of all, I'm sorry that they have left you hanging over the
holidays. Second, I do not exactly understand your use of "pitch." I
should think that the woman with whom you've been dealing would be
pitching you and/or your proposal. Like she is the pitcher, you are the
all, and the big guys are the ones to whom the ball(you) is being
pitched. But whatever.

alyce

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Betty Clark wrote:
>
> How are you doing this morning?

Thanks for asking. But I think I already answered, didn't I? Is my mind
gone?

Nausea this morning. Reported it to doctor's nurse who noted it on my
chart. Rib pain just about gone--just a little twinge now and then.
Mostly I guess I am OK except for fear and depression. Doug arrives Wed.
afternoon. I will feel better then.

alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:
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> I'll be thinking of you. I'm SO sorry you're taking this drug.

Moi aussi. Have a nice trip. Give Tushar a love pat for me.

alyce

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>>http://www.postbeam.com/
>
>That cute little house on the upper right is *exactly* my parents' Poconos
>house.      --Marie

I knew you came from money!   Not everyone's parents have a house in the
Poconos!


    --bonniev

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Karen Kay wrote:

> This is such common usage, I wonder if anyone else didn't understand it.

I've heard pitched a zillion times in the sense of promoting something
-- of talking it up, but in my world the direct object of the verb
"pitch" means that which gets pitched -- that which gets promoted or
pushed or whatever.  He pitched himself -- she pitched the idea -- the
pr person pitched the company -- etc.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> should think that the woman with whom you've been dealing would be
> pitching you and/or your proposal. Like she is the pitcher, you are the
> all, and the big guys are the ones to whom the ball(you) is being
> pitched. But whatever.

You and I live in the same world, Alyce.  That is my understanding and
usage of pitch.

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alyce cresap wrote:

>  Rib pain just about gone--just a little twinge now and then.

That part is good!

> Mostly I guess I am OK except for fear and depression. Doug arrives Wed.
> afternoon. I will feel better then.

I am happy that he will be there soon.  How long is he going to stay?

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alyce cresap said:
> First of all, I'm sorry that they have left you hanging over the
> holidays.

Thank you.

> Second, I do not exactly understand your use of "pitch." I
> should think that the woman with whom you've been dealing would be
> pitching you and/or your proposal. Like she is the pitcher, you are the
> ball, and the big guys are the ones to whom the ball(you) is being
> pitched. But whatever.

I suppose that technically that's true. But I went with her and
pitched myself because I am more technical than she is, and I really
understand this stuff. So yes, in essence, I threw myself at them.:)

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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alyce cresap said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > I'll be thinking of you. I'm SO sorry you're taking this drug.
>
> Moi aussi. Have a nice trip. Give Tushar a love pat for me.

He'll be getting all kinds of love touches from me on behalf of
everyone.:)

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Second, I do not exactly understand your use of "pitch." I
> > should think that the woman with whom you've been dealing would be
> > pitching you and/or your proposal. Like she is the pitcher, you are the
> > ball, and the big guys are the ones to whom the ball(you) is being
> > pitched. But whatever.
>
> I suppose that technically that's true. But I went with her and
> pitched myself because I am more technical than she is, and I really
> understand this stuff. So yes, in essence, I threw myself at them.:)

But that's perfectly <normal> usage of pitched.  You pitched yourself.
What you said earlier was that you pitched the company.  That's what
didn't make any sense to me -- like why you would be pitching the
company and to whom.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> I am happy that he will be there soon.  How long is he going to stay?

Just till Monday morning.

alyce

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At 02:28 PM 12/23/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>Betty Clark wrote:
> >
> > How are you doing this morning?
>
>Thanks for asking. But I think I already answered, didn't I? Is my mind
>gone?
>
>Nausea this morning. Reported it to doctor's nurse who noted it on my
>chart. Rib pain just about gone--just a little twinge now and then.
>Mostly I guess I am OK except for fear and depression. Doug arrives Wed.
>afternoon. I will feel better then.

Yes, I'm catching up.  How long will Doug be staying?

Betty

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At 01:17 AM 12/21/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>If Mom has to undergo radiation or chemo, what can we expect?
>
>Evelyn

Sorry to hear she has cancer. What type and how far has it progressed? Many
of the treatments can work very well.
Feel free to email me for information or resources, as I know more then I
ever wanted to know about cancer.


Alec






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Natalie Maynor said:
> But that's perfectly <normal> usage of pitched.  You pitched yourself.

This sounds *extremely* odd to me.

> What you said earlier was that you pitched the company.  That's what
> didn't make any sense to me -- like why you would be pitching the
> company and to whom.

Luckily, I have to leave in about half an hour, so I won't be able to
pursue this with you.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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>From: bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM>
>>>http://www.postbeam.com/
>>
>>That cute little house on the upper right is *exactly* my parents' Poconos
>>house.
>
>I knew you came from money!   Not everyone's parents have a house in the
>Poconos!

Uh huh. It cost $35,000. It is *tiny* -- we can't even come close to having
the whole family there at the same time. But it is very cute and near the
lake (for which we don't have a boat but we're good swimmers).

Marie

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PLEASE CALL MISS LISA RE YOUR XMAS PRESENT
SYDNEY AUSTRALIA 02 93103011
8904WJzD0-405DBjU4109KGbB2-931pFUl8032OqQT2-140YCIk2133fl53

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Yeah right.  Your "Xmas present" will arrive from the phone company in about a
month.

BrP




> PLEASE CALL MISS LISA RE YOUR XMAS PRESENT
> SYDNEY AUSTRALIA 02 93103011
> 8904WJzD0-405DBjU4109KGbB2-931pFUl8032OqQT2-140YCIk2133fl53

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On Mon, Dec 23, 2002 at 08:31:39AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= steph said:
= > non-sequitor alert!
=
= And my birthday present to you is: non sequitur.
=

Is she gone yet?!

(thanks, I needed that [um, obviously])

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On Mon, Dec 23, 2002 at 11:32:31AM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= steph wrote:
= >
= > = I don't think of cooking and knifing as the same thing at all.  I use a
= > = knife almost every day -- for slicing bread, for chopping daikons when I
= > = can find decent ones, for slicing tomatoes in summer, for slicing or
= > = chopping all kinds of things.
= > =
= > = --
= > =  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
= >
= > Does cooking require the application of heat?
=
= I don't know.  I gather from what people say here that it does, but I'm
= not really sure.
=

Except for the bread slicing, which in this house anyway,
frequently occurs as a separate event, why is most of your
knifing not cooking?

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>
> The company I went and pitched won't decide whether to hire me till
> next week.
>
> Karen
> "How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"


frustrating.

Sandra

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The combination of imminent holidays and a major snow storm
on the way made the grocery store a nightmare.  I did manage
to get the ingredients for my greek style stew for dinner
tonight, but I almost didn't make it.

--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> wrote:

>The combination of imminent holidays and a major snow storm
>on the way made the grocery store a nightmare.  I did manage
>to get the ingredients for my greek style stew for dinner
>tonight, but I almost didn't make it.
>
wish you hadn't said that.  The snowstorm is headed our way and I'm headed out to the grocery store.........

jbh

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jbh wrote:

> Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> wrote:
>
>
>>The combination of imminent holidays and a major snow storm
>>on the way made the grocery store a nightmare.  I did manage
>>to get the ingredients for my greek style stew for dinner
>>tonight, but I almost didn't make it.
>>
>>
> wish you hadn't said that.  The snowstorm is headed our way and I'm headed out to the grocery store.........
>


        You'd be better advised to chew on a crepe myrtle, my friend.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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At 11:51 AM 12/23/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>Natalie Maynor said:
> > But that's perfectly <normal> usage of pitched.  You pitched yourself.
>
>This sounds *extremely* odd to me.
>
> > What you said earlier was that you pitched the company.  That's what
> > didn't make any sense to me -- like why you would be pitching the
> > company and to whom.
>
>Luckily, I have to leave in about half an hour, so I won't be able to
>pursue this with you.

Yay!

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>From: Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM>
>What is a good present to give a nine-and-a-half-year-old niece?  I don't
>need anything fancy or special, just something not hideously inappropriate.

A "Groovy Girls" doll. I haven't met a little girl yet (myself included) who
isn't in love with them.

Marie

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On Tue, Dec 17, 2002 at 04:06:00PM -0600, Graham Toal wrote:
> It works.  Let's see some scores in the millions now...
>
> http://www.gtoal.com/wordgames/bookworm/solve.c

Where's splib.h?

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At 04:07 PM 12/23/2002 -0500, jbh wrote:
>Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> wrote:
>
> >The combination of imminent holidays and a major snow storm
> >on the way made the grocery store a nightmare.  I did manage
> >to get the ingredients for my greek style stew for dinner
> >tonight, but I almost didn't make it.
> >
>wish you hadn't said that.  The snowstorm is headed our way and I'm headed
>out to the grocery store.........

This brings back memories of Oak Ridge, TN.  Any forecast of snow,
irrespective of the amount of accumulation, would trigger a rush on the
grocery stores.  Milk, bread, and bottled water would disappear from the
shelves.

cwv

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Sere, our youngest cat, can go outside only in a harness and leash; we
decided to train her to this while she was just a kitten because of the
relatively high mortality rates of naive cats in this area (traffic,
coyotes, great horned owls, etc.).  Typically, Bonnie takes Sere on a
morning outing sometime around 0830 or 0900; Sere generally is fairly
insistent on this.  The afternoons are more free-form; if it is very cold
or otherwise nasty outside, Sere doesn't seriously campaign for another
walk but if it is sunny and generally good-looking outside, then she does.

Also, in the afternoon, Sere will try to convince either of us to take a
walk.  Today, with Bonnie otherwise busy with her exercises and Tai Chi, it
was my turn.  In keeping with her rather gentle nature, Sere came into my
office, jumped onto the desk (quietly), acknowledged my greeting, and then
moved to the small table next to me that holds blank CDs, reference books,
and junk of various kinds.  Once there, she fixed on a pair of
needing-repair clip-on sunglasses.  Over the next few minutes, she managed
by industrious yet subtle efforts to move the sunglasses close to the edge
of the table, at a millimeter or two each nudge---then finally with last
very gentle nudge, the glasses went to the floor.  Having done this and
observed the result, she was satisfied; with a slight "murmph," she
gracefully floated to the floor and waited for me by the office door.

We had a short but enjoyable walk.

cwv

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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:56:01 -0600
From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@maynor.net>
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The party was lively and fun, but Mama stayed in her room.  She is
really going downhill.  Here are some pictures I took of it:

http://www.maynor.net/xmas.html

Ann is Mama's roommate -- she's the short one in the middle in that
first "Ann" picture.  She's a delightful person, and it makes me very
sad that her son and grandchildren totally ignore her.  They live in
Chicago.  Planes, trains, and busses travel between here and Chicago
regularly.  Well, trains don't really come here -- but they come to
Winona, about an hour west of here, and to Tuscaloosa, about an hour and
a half east of here.

The picture of Mama is horrible.  She looked very bad today, and I
shouldn't have taken a picture at all.  I should, however, have taken a
picture of her gazillions of xmas cards on the bulletin board above the
poinsettia I took her a few weeks ago, with carolers beside the
poinsettia.  Maybe I'll do that tomorrow.

The picture labeled "birds" is of a neat birdcage in the lobby of
Starkville Manor.  I should take a better picture of it sometime,
showing the birds.  The main reason I took that picture today was to
capture the cute little man who regularly opens the door for me and
Spencer.  I think I've mentioned him before.  But he's barely visible in
the picture -- he's up there by the door.

When zipping the pictures from camera to computer, I realized that I had
taken a couple of my wonderful new flannel sheets, showing that the
color choice was perfect.  They're here:

http://www.maynor.net/sheets.html

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alyce cresap wrote:
> > I am happy that he will be there soon.  How long is he going to stay?
>
> Just till Monday morning.

That's still a pretty long stay.  And will be a very good visit.  Much
better than your going off somewhere to be a sheep in a pageant!

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor said:
> > But that's perfectly <normal> usage of pitched.  You pitched yourself.
>
> This sounds *extremely* odd to me.

I realize Karen is surely gone by now, but in case she's reading from
Michigan:  You just said it -- you said that you pitched yourself.  It
certainly sounds more normal to me than to think you were pitching a
company.

> > What you said earlier was that you pitched the company.  That's what
> > didn't make any sense to me -- like why you would be pitching the
> > company and to whom.
>
> Luckily, I have to leave in about half an hour, so I won't be able to
> pursue this with you.

Snide insults really get on my nerves.  It's not as if I'm the only
person in the world who thinks that the direct object of a verb behaves
the way it behaves for me after "pitched [something or somebody]."  Or
to use semantic labels, it's the <theme>.

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steph wrote:

> = > = I don't think of cooking and knifing as the same thing at all.  I use a
> = > = knife almost every day -- for slicing bread, for chopping daikons when I
> = > = can find decent ones, for slicing tomatoes in summer, for slicing or
> = > = chopping all kinds of things.

> = > Does cooking require the application of heat?

> = I don't know.  I gather from what people say here that it does, but I'm
> = not really sure.
>
> Except for the bread slicing, which in this house anyway,
> frequently occurs as a separate event, why is most of your
> knifing not cooking?

I don't know.  I guess it's because Karen has said I don't cook.
Actually, the bread-slicing is often related to what I think of as
cooking -- or at least it used to be.  I almost never bake bread
anymore.  (The bread I slice now is store-bought unsliced bread.  I do
sometimes buy sliced bread, though.)

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At 06:02 PM 12/23/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > Natalie Maynor said:
> > > But that's perfectly <normal> usage of pitched.  You pitched yourself.
> >
> > This sounds *extremely* odd to me.
>
>I realize Karen is surely gone by now, but in case she's reading from
>Michigan:  You just said it -- you said that you pitched yourself.  It
>certainly sounds more normal to me than to think you were pitching a
>company.
>
> > > What you said earlier was that you pitched the company.  That's what
> > > didn't make any sense to me -- like why you would be pitching the
> > > company and to whom.
> >
> > Luckily, I have to leave in about half an hour, so I won't be able to
> > pursue this with you.
>
>Snide insults really get on my nerves.  It's not as if I'm the only
>person in the world who thinks that the direct object of a verb behaves
>the way it behaves for me after "pitched [something or somebody]."  Or
>to use semantic labels, it's the <theme>.

Karen has been very impatient. I wonder if her chopped finger slowed down
her typing?

Thanks for sharing the Christmas Party with us, Natalie.  I'm sorry that
your mother wasn't able to enjoy it. That must be hard on you, too, but I'm
glad that you are able to visit regularly.

Betty

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In a message dated 12/23/2002 1:53:15 PM Central Standard Time,
plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU writes:

<<
Sorry to hear she has cancer. What type and how far has it progressed? Many
of the treatments can work very well.

>>

She has lung cancer, and it's still early, the doctor said.  He said that
they won't be able to operate due to her heart condition and emphysema.
She'll be seeing a specialist next Tuesday.

Damn cigarettes!

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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On Mon, Dec 23, 2002 at 11:28:13AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> alyce cresap said:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> > > I'll be thinking of you. I'm SO sorry you're taking this drug.
> >
> > Moi aussi. Have a nice trip. Give Tushar a love pat for me.
>
> He'll be getting all kinds of love touches from me on behalf of
> everyone.:)

PUKE

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In a message dated 12/23/2002 1:05:04 PM Central Standard Time,
plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU writes:

<<
Depends on cancer type and amount of chemo and radiation.

check out http://www.oncolink.com/ for lots of info.



>>

Thanks!  I told her that we are going to fight this.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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> One week too early.
>
> BB

Too early? Cripes, Emily already said she was going to be in Australia
during my proposed weekend. So what's good for you, BB?

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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In a message dated 12/23/2002 3:08:39 PM Central Standard Time,
hannum46@NETSCAPE.NET writes:

<<
wish you hadn't said that.  The snowstorm is headed our way and I'm headed
out to the grocery store.........


>>

It hit here:  5 to 8 inches.  Dianne (one of my coworkers) came to pick
me up, and we travelled only about half a mile before she decided to
turn around and come back.  We both tried to call Sears, but the phone
system in Broken Arrow (where Sears' phone system is centered) has
been down all day; the cell phone system was too busy, too.

I won't be able to walk to Reasor's in the morning; I hope someone will
come to pick me up.  Things will be extremely icy in the morning.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

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> Just goes to show that some tourist-type places are a good fit
> with bookstores, but not all of them, be they ever so humongous.
> (Of course, Yankee Candle is a big help to us in one very major
> way -- which is that it provides a lot of tax revenue for the town,
> thereby keeping our own property taxes in check).

Alyce, what bookstore is this? I should go there just as an act of good
faith.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> http://makeashorterlink.com/?L2B361ED2

Hmph.

THE POTENTIAL EXISTS FOR A MAJOR SNOW STORM FOR SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND
WEDNESDAY INTO WEDNESDAY NIGHT...AND ODDS ARE INCREASINGLY FAVORABLE
(70 PERCENT) FOR THE BIGGEST WINTER PRECIPITATION EVENT OF THIS
SEASON...SO FAR!

THIS COULD BECOME A DANGEROUS WINTER STORM FOR A FEW SPOTS IN
SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND (25 PERCENT)...BECAUSE OF THE COMBINATION OF
WET  SNOW...GUSTY WINDS TO AROUND 50 MPH AND POSSIBLE POWER OUTAGES.

Double hmph.

--Adam

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On Mon, 23 Dec 2002, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

>Damn cigarettes!

Amen.

But in one way it's not the cigarettes, at least not the tobacco per
se. It's the way the products - cigarettes - are consumed in this
consumer-oriented culture.

When and where tobacco is/was used ritually only - being smoked once
a month or 4 times a year or so - tobacco does not pose a risk to
health.

I am sorry about your mother's illness -

Bethany

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>THE POTENTIAL EXISTS FOR A MAJOR SNOW STORM FOR SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND
>WEDNESDAY INTO WEDNESDAY NIGHT...     --Adam

Why does Southern New England get all the good stuff??  This is the perfect
excuse, Adam, to just stay home, listen to music, and chat with us.  And,
thanks for being the new list owner.


    --bonniev

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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 18:20:19 -0800
From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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>Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>  > Second, I do not exactly understand your use of "pitch." I
>>  > should think that the woman with whom you've been dealing would be
>>  > pitching you and/or your proposal. Like she is the pitcher, you are the
>>  > ball, and the big guys are the ones to whom the ball(you) is being
>>  > pitched. But whatever.
>>
>>  I suppose that technically that's true. But I went with her and
>>  pitched myself because I am more technical than she is, and I really
>>  understand this stuff. So yes, in essence, I threw myself at them.:)
>
>But that's perfectly <normal> usage of pitched.  You pitched yourself.
>What you said earlier was that you pitched the company.  That's what
>didn't make any sense to me -- like why you would be pitching the
>company and to whom.

In the advertising world, "They're pitching Intel" is common usage,
meaning "they're trying to get the Intel account."

Janet

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> excuse, Adam, to just stay home, listen to music, and chat with us.

I do that nearly every night as it is! :D

I was going to have Mom and Granny over for Christmas dinner, but Mom
doesn't want to drive in the snow, and there's no possible way Granny could
navigate my parking lot/sidewalk with her walker if it wasn't absolutely
clear of any snow or ice.  I don't know what we're going to do for
Christmas. I'll have to ask Mom if Granny's nursing home is doing anything
to mark the day. Maybe we could go to that.

> And, thanks for being the new list owner.

You're welcome; my pleasure.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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bonniev wrote:

>> THE POTENTIAL EXISTS FOR A MAJOR SNOW STORM FOR SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND
>> WEDNESDAY INTO WEDNESDAY NIGHT...     --Adam
>
>
> Why does Southern New England get all the good stuff??  This is the perfect
> excuse, Adam, to just stay home, listen to music, and chat with us.  And,
> thanks for being the new list owner.


        I'm still waiting for the snow.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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In a message dated 12/23/2002 8:49:39 PM Central Standard Time,
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<<
I'm still waiting for the snow.

>>

It's here in Tulsa.  I couldn't get to work today, and I may
not be able to get to work tomorrow.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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In a message dated 12/23/2002 7:44:22 PM Central Standard Time,
dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU writes:

<<
I am sorry about your mother's illness -


>>

Thanks!  She's not just my mother; she's also my best friend.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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At 07:42 PM 12/23/2002 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > One week too early.
> >
> > BB
>
>Too early? Cripes, Emily already said she was going to be in Australia
>during my proposed weekend. So what's good for you, BB?

The following week,  which is our spring break.  Unless there is a really
good air fare I may have to pass though since we plan the extended trip in
July.  Boston-Bar Harbor-Nova Scotia.   Hate to miss it though.

Betty

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At 08:51 PM 12/23/2002 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>THE POTENTIAL EXISTS FOR A MAJOR SNOW STORM FOR SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND
>>WEDNESDAY INTO WEDNESDAY NIGHT...     --Adam
>
>Why does Southern New England get all the good stuff??  This is the perfect
>excuse, Adam, to just stay home, listen to music, and chat with us.  And,
>thanks for being the new list owner.

Yay!  Do you have to do the web pages, too?  Is mem's the only working site
now?  Did you see my whore t-shirt picture?  All the other whores left me
out to dry.

Betty

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On Sun, 22 Dec 2002, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> This reminds me, where is Dr Borkin? Damn it!

Power delivered by a very friendly Power Guy at 7:30 p.m. just today,
Monday.  Eleven days without the power!

YAY.

Ann

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At 08:40 PM 12/23/2002 -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
>On Sun, 22 Dec 2002, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > This reminds me, where is Dr Borkin? Damn it!
>
>Power delivered by a very friendly Power Guy at 7:30 p.m. just today,
>Monday.  Eleven days without the power!
>
>YAY.

So, tell us how you coped.  Do you have a gas stove?  Did you have to dump
everything  that was in your freezer?

Betty

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>  Much
> better than your going off somewhere to be a sheep in a pageant!

Tha 4th annual pageant is tonight and my sister is now the sheep. There
is a new baby Jesus (Josie), just a month old. Even without me and my
kids, there are now 17 in the cast. And word hsa spread through the
neighborhood so there will be an audience of about 20. (There was just
one couple from next door the first time--1996.)

My sister was insistent that I come, and I would like to have seen all
my nieces and great nieces and nephews, for I haven't seen two of them
at all, and the others not for four years.  It is almost fortuitous that
it couldn't be arranged that Doug and Jeff could chauffer me back and
forth as they did two years ago. What if we had made such plans? I can't
imagine that long drive feeling as I do.

alyce

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> So, tell us how you coped.  Do you have a gas stove?  Did you have to dump
> everything  that was in your freezer?

We had one refrigerator and freezer dump; then (since we had power in the
basement) we used an extension cord to maintain coldth in the refrigerator
& freezer.  We had heat, thank god.

I'm pretty sure our sewage holding tank has overflowed, but we're trusting
new storms coming Thurs & Fri to flush the Effluents from the back "yard"
(I say "yard" because we're on a hill; it's a terraced hill and on one of
the levels is our tank.  This week we're going to buy a generator just for
our sewage ejection pump."

Tomorrow:  I get to shower!  No more bathing in buckets and throwing the
waste water out the back door.

Ann

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steph said:
> On Mon, Dec 23, 2002 at 08:31:39AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> = steph said:
> = > non-sequitor alert!
> =
> = And my birthday present to you is: non sequitur.
> =
>

I have arrived in the frozen north.
>

No problem.
>

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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Rita Chapman said:
> The combination of imminent holidays and a major snow storm
> on the way made the grocery store a nightmare.  I did manage
> to get the ingredients for my greek style stew for dinner

What is 'Greek Style Stew'?
>

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > Natalie Maynor said:
> > > But that's perfectly <normal> usage of pitched.  You pitched yourself.
> >
> > This sounds *extremely* odd to me.
>
> I realize Karen is surely gone by now, but in case she's reading from
> Michigan:  You just said it -- you said that you pitched yourself.  It
> certainly sounds more normal to me than to think you were pitching a

Of course I said, but it does not sound at all normal to me.

>
> > > What you said earlier was that you pitched the company.  That's what
> > > didn't make any sense to me -- like why you would be pitching the
> > > company and to whom.
> >
> > Luckily, I have to leave in about half an hour, so I won't be able to
> > pursue this with you.
>
> Snide insults really get on my nerves.  It's not as if I'm the only
> person in the world who thinks that the direct object of a verb behaves
> the way it behaves for me after "pitched [something or somebody]."  Or

What snide insult?! Frankly, your interpretation of everyhting I say
as a snide insult gets on my nerves.
>

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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>

I thought I said you weren't a cook; that's different.

Karen
Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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>I thought I said you weren't a cook; that's different.

Speaking of cookery -- I'm planning to roast a goose for Christmas
dinner. Side dishes: wild rice pilaf, a cabbage and apple slaw with
vinaigrette, baked onions glazed with mustard and honey.

I've never done a goose before. Do any of the Words-L chefs have
suggestions or tips?

Janet

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Janet Hardy said:
> >I thought I said you weren't a cook; that's different.
>
> Speaking of cookery -- I'm planning to roast a goose for Christmas
> dinner. Side dishes: wild rice pilaf, a cabbage and apple slaw with
>
>
> I've never done a goose before. Do any of the Words-L chefs have

That goose will make you rethink your whole body composition ideals.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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> Bookrat wrote:
>
> > What is a good present to give a nine-and-a-half-year-old
> niece?  I don't
> > need anything fancy or special, just something not hideously
> inappropriate.
>
> A book if you know her reading tastes and know which ones she already
> has or has read.  Does she like jewelry?  If so, you might find
> something like an inexpensive pin or bracelet or such representing some
> kind of interest she has -- like a dog bracelet if she's into dogs.  Or
> maybe something like a scarf (a winter kind, I mean -- not a silk
> scarf).  Or a game of some kind -- identified as appropriate by looking
> at age labels on games in a store and choosing something
> ever-so-slightly above her age level in order not to risk insulting her.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

My almost 9 yr old niece loves Gameboy Advance games. I got her the new
Harry Potter game for Gameboy Advance and I'm now Aunt Extraordinaire.

Sandra

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>
> Janet Hardy writes,
>
> >A pitch is an attempt to sell something. Karen is selling herself to
> >this company, hence, she is pitching it. This is most likely
> >advertising-ese; at least that's where I first heard it.
>
> It's standard VC and bizdev lingo, too.
>
> The weird thing is that the construction has an implied but
> omitted object:
> Karen pitched (the idea to) the company.
>
> Sometimes I hear it with the object after, particularly with "sold": Karen
> sold the company on the idea.
>
> Pete

Correct. You're selling them the idea or a service. People pitch concepts to
production companies...and they pitch to networks. Something like that. When
I was in advertising, my team would pitch certain ideas/programs/concepts to
our clients...or potential clients. You throw them the ball (pitch) and see
what they do with it.

Sandra

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>
> >From: Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM>
> >What is a good present to give a nine-and-a-half-year-old niece?  I don't
> >need anything fancy or special, just something not hideously
> inappropriate.
>
> A "Groovy Girls" doll. I haven't met a little girl yet (myself
> included) who
> isn't in love with them.
>
> Marie
>

My nearly 7 yr old niece loves Groovy Girls. But my 9 yr old niece is not
much into dolls except that one American Girl who is very keen on
skateboards.

Sandra

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> >I thought I said you weren't a cook; that's different.
>
> Speaking of cookery -- I'm planning to roast a goose for Christmas
> dinner. Side dishes: wild rice pilaf, a cabbage and apple slaw with
> vinaigrette, baked onions glazed with mustard and honey.
>
> I've never done a goose before. Do any of the Words-L chefs have
> suggestions or tips?
>
> Janet

I'm not sure I've eaten goose let alone cooked one.

I'm having a number of people over for xmas. Nine total (thusfar). Menu:

Ham
Potato au Gratin
Green Bean Casserole
Salad
Lots of cracker/cheese/salami/pate appetizers
Shrimp Cocktail
Cheesecake
Gingerbreadmen

My place isn't very large. It'll have to be buffet style. I'm making
Cinnamon Rolls for Breakfast for whoever wants to come over. It's my first
time...I've wanted to make some for ages.

Sandra

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

>           Returning with the sun.

As bad or hardly existing my sense of time may be (like when postponing
answering messages while thinking all the time that I'll *soon* do it)
there is some of it left to understand when Christmas Time is. Nice
Christmas to everybody!

We have sunny days (six hours long), and the earth has been white since
mid-October, I guess, almost permanently. Though, there is not so much
snow that one could go skiing. But rarely there is such a nice Christmas
weather.

"Hodie
Christus natus est..."
[et Sol!]
"...and I sall praise thee evermoir
with sanges sweit unto thy gloir..."

Ok, I've been humming Christmas songs since morning, and go on doing so,
at the time I'll not be listening to good music.

Have a peaceful time and be well!

Kristin

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> Power delivered by a very friendly Power Guy at 7:30 p.m. just today,
> Monday.  Eleven days without the power!
>
> YAY.

YAY!  I still don't understand about why some of the outlets were
operational earlier -- like the one the tv set was plugged into.

--
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Betty wrote:

> So, tell us how you coped.  Do you have a gas stove?  Did you have to dump
> everything  that was in your freezer?

Separated bathroom habits; extension cord to refrigerator from
somewhere; but there are still questions.

--
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Ann Borkin wrote:

> I'm pretty sure our sewage holding tank has overflowed, but we're trusting
> new storms coming Thurs & Fri to flush the Effluents from the back "yard"
> (I say "yard" because we're on a hill; it's a terraced hill and on one of

I'm glad I'm not your behind-you neighbor -- just down the hill from
you.

> Tomorrow:  I get to shower!  No more bathing in buckets and throwing the
> waste water out the back door.

YAY!

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > > Luckily, I have to leave in about half an hour, so I won't be able to
> > > pursue this with you.
> >
> > Snide insults really get on my nerves.  It's not as if I'm the only
> > person in the world who thinks that the direct object of a verb behaves
> > the way it behaves for me after "pitched [something or somebody]."  Or
>
> What snide insult?!

The sentence modifier.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I thought I said you weren't a cook; that's different.

I have said that I'm not obsessed with food.  I see it as fuel to keep
the body going.  I don't think I've ever said "I'm not a cook"; in fact,
I think I've said that dinner guests praise my cooking.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Have a peaceful time and be well!

And you too!

--
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> > Have a peaceful time and be well!
>
> And you too!

Thank you!

In terra canunt angeli-i-i
And me, too :-)

But I guess, I'll go now, without sending nomail-message to the listserv
(aamf, I haven't been actually nomail), perhaps I drop in here where my
computer is when having a walk during the coming days.

Kr.

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It's difficult to leave without one more (semi-)personal wish: have powerful
Christmas!

Ann Borkin wrote:

> Tomorrow:  I get to shower!  No more bathing in buckets and throwing the
> waste water out the back door.

11 days without, eh? (humming: the twelfth day of...)

Kristin

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At 09:37 PM 12/23/2002 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>Natalie Maynor said:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> > >
> > > Natalie Maynor said:
> > > > But that's perfectly <normal> usage of pitched.  You pitched yourself.
> > >
> > > This sounds *extremely* odd to me.
> >
> > I realize Karen is surely gone by now, but in case she's reading from
> > Michigan:  You just said it -- you said that you pitched yourself.  It
> > certainly sounds more normal to me than to think you were pitching a
>
>Of course I said, but it does not sound at all normal to me.
>
> >
> > > > What you said earlier was that you pitched the company.  That's what
> > > > didn't make any sense to me -- like why you would be pitching the
> > > > company and to whom.
> > >
> > > Luckily, I have to leave in about half an hour, so I won't be able to
> > > pursue this with you.
> >
> > Snide insults really get on my nerves.  It's not as if I'm the only
> > person in the world who thinks that the direct object of a verb behaves
> > the way it behaves for me after "pitched [something or somebody]."  Or
>
>What snide insult?! Frankly, your interpretation of everyhting I say
>as a snide insult gets on my nerves.

Can't we just all get along?  It's Christmas Even fercryinoutloud. You're
both getting on my nerves.

BB

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At 12:55 AM 12/24/2002 -0800, S Hess wrote:
> >
> > Janet Hardy writes,
> >
> > >A pitch is an attempt to sell something. Karen is selling herself to
> > >this company, hence, she is pitching it. This is most likely
> > >advertising-ese; at least that's where I first heard it.
> >
> > It's standard VC and bizdev lingo, too.
> >
> > The weird thing is that the construction has an implied but
> > omitted object:
> > Karen pitched (the idea to) the company.
> >
> > Sometimes I hear it with the object after, particularly with "sold": Karen
> > sold the company on the idea.
> >
> > Pete
>
>Correct. You're selling them the idea or a service. People pitch concepts to
>production companies...and they pitch to networks. Something like that. When
>I was in advertising, my team would pitch certain ideas/programs/concepts to
>our clients...or potential clients. You throw them the ball (pitch) and see
>what they do with it.

You're out!

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At 10:10 PM 12/23/2002 -0800, you wrote:

>I've never done a goose before. Do any of the Words-L chefs have
>suggestions or tips?

There are about as many techniques as there are cookbooks with roast goose
as an entry (and entree).  The critical thing is to get rid of the grease
early in the process---not only to better roast the bird, but to avoid oven
fires.  Joy of Cooking recommends parboiling the (thawed and rinsed)
bird---you can do it in a large stockpot, doing half the bird at a
time.  However, what has worked me is to bring a couple of teakettles or
large pans of water to a boil.  After you have cleaned out the inside,
stripping away all the fat that you can, put the bird in the sink, and
slowly pour the boiling water over it, treating all sides, but especially
the breast.  This is a bit messy, so be prepared with paper towels, apron,
old clothes, whatever.  Then pat the skin dry and with a skewer (or
stiletto, if you have one), make openings in the skin, parallel to the
meat.  With a sturdy skewer, you can make two holes a couple of inches
apart with each thrust.  When you think that you have put enough holes in
the skin, do a few more.  Sprinkle liberally with kosher or sea salt and
coarse black pepper, inside and out.  Truss the wings behind the back and
close the body cavity with toothpicks or small skewers.  Put the bird on a
rack, breast down, in a 450F oven for the first 45 to 60 minutes.  Every 15
minutes or so, remove the grease from the pan (*****be prepared, the bird
will yield more than a quart of very hot grease*****).  About halfway
through the first hour, turn the bird on its back.  After an hour, the
yield of grease ought to be substantially diminished.  Turn the oven down
to 325-350 and continue roasting, removing the grease whenever it begins to
accumulate (if you can hear the grease boiling and sizzling, it's time to
remove some.)  Most recipes call for 20-30 minutes per pound; I find 20
minutes per pound to be enough and even then, sometimes the bird gets done
more rapidly than I had planned.  If that seems to be happening, you can
always shut the oven down to 250 or so for a while, then boost it back to
350 for the finish.  Most books say that a meat thermometer inside the
largest part of the thigh should read 180-185F; I use an "instant-read"
type and I never am sure where the best place to measure is, so I use the
"jiggle the leg" method.

Have fun and enjoy.

cwv

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At 05:55 PM 12/20/2002 -0500, bonniev wrote:
Very nice.   By the way, I asked for a recommendation of motels from five
>women B&B owners, explaining to them about wordslers and
>Acadiafest.   These are five women that I am in a stitch'n'bitch with this
>winter.  They recommended Edenbrook http://www.acadia.net/edenbrook/.  This
>is the motel that a friend of Adam's stayed at last season.  It is right
>next door to the Cleftstone where Clyde and I used to stay when we were
>tourists and which is for the moment owned by one of the women in the
>stitch'n'bitch.  They are in the process of selling the Cleftstone and
>buying an Inn/restaurant in Wisconsin.
>
>Another decent motel is http://www.cromwellharbor.com/

Can you walk to the Blueberry Pancake breakfast and parade from these places?

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>>They recommended Edenbrook http://www.acadia.net/edenbrook/.  This
>>is the motel that a friend of Adam's stayed at last season.  It is right
>>next door to the Cleftstone where Clyde and I used to stay when we were
>>tourists and which is for the moment owned by one of the women in the
>>stitch'n'bitch.  They are in the process of selling the Cleftstone and
>>buying an Inn/restaurant in Wisconsin.
>>
>>Another decent motel is http://www.cromwellharbor.com/
>
>Can you walk to the Blueberry Pancake breakfast and parade from these places?

It would be a long walk from Edenbrook -- maybe a mile.  But it would be a
very short walk from the Cromwell Harbor Motel -- less than a block.


    --bonniev

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>There are about as many techniques as there are cookbooks with roast goose
>as an entry (and entree).  The critical thing is to get rid of the grease
>early in the process---not only to better roast the bird, but to avoid oven
>fires.  ...  After you have cleaned out the inside,
>stripping away all the fat that you can, put the bird in the sink, and
>slowly pour the boiling water over it, treating all sides, but especially
>the breast.  This is a bit messy, so be prepared with paper towels, apron,
>old clothes, whatever.  Then pat the skin dry and with a skewer (or
>stiletto, if you have one), make openings in the skin, parallel to the
>meat.  With a sturdy skewer, you can make two holes a couple of inches
>apart with each thrust.  When you think that you have put enough holes in
>cwv


culinary liposuction ?


BrP

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At 09:12 AM 12/24/2002 -0500, BrP wrote:


>culinary liposuction ?

Good idea---maybe Popeil will develop a gizmo to do it.

cwv

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Rita Chapman said:
>
>>The combination of imminent holidays and a major snow storm
>>on the way made the grocery store a nightmare.  I did manage
>>to get the ingredients for my greek style stew for dinner
>>
>
> What is 'Greek Style Stew'?
>

        Beef or lamb (I can rarely get lamb) coated with flour and
browned in olive oil, remove to covered roasing pan.  In
drippings, sautee up some garlic, add can of chicken broth,
two cans of chick peas, oregano, cinnamon, ginger, juice of
a lemon.  Bring to a boil.  Add a bunch of kalamata olives
with their brine.  Pour over meat and then let it stew for
325 for 1 1/2 hours.

        See, not an authentic Greek recipe, but has a lot of Greek
flavors in it.  And it is quite tasty.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Put the
>bird on a
>rack, breast down, in a 450F oven for the first 45 to 60 minutes.  Every 15
>minutes or so, remove the grease from the pan (*****be prepared, the bird
>will yield more than a quart of very hot grease*****).  About halfway
>through the first hour, turn the bird on its back.  After an hour, the
>yield of grease ought to be substantially diminished.

How does one remove very hot grease from around a bird in a
roasting pan? Any nifty gizmos out there that'll help?

-rashmi

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S Hess wrote:

>>Bookrat wrote:
>>
>>
>>>What is a good present to give a nine-and-a-half-year-old
>>>
>>niece?  I don't
>>
>>>need anything fancy or special, just something not hideously
>>>
>>inappropriate.
>>
>>A book if you know her reading tastes and know which ones she already
>>has or has read.  Does she like jewelry?  If so, you might find
>>something like an inexpensive pin or bracelet or such representing some
>>kind of interest she has -- like a dog bracelet if she's into dogs.  Or
>>maybe something like a scarf (a winter kind, I mean -- not a silk
>>scarf).  Or a game of some kind -- identified as appropriate by looking
>>at age labels on games in a store and choosing something
>>ever-so-slightly above her age level in order not to risk insulting her.
>>
>>--
>> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>>
>
> My almost 9 yr old niece loves Gameboy Advance games. I got her the new
> Harry Potter game for Gameboy Advance and I'm now Aunt Extraordinaire.


        I bought my 9-year-old niece four books:  the latest Lemony
Snicket, Summerland, hmmm, I can't remember the last two --
they were classics, though.  Oddly, I seem to be able to
nail her taste pretty well, even though it diverges
considerably from what mine was at that age.

        Speaking of which, I have all kinds of gift certificates to
spend on books at Amazon and elsewhere, and I can't decide
what I want!  I'm thinking of the new Eugenides novel, but
I've been so effectively ignoring new novels for lack of
time, that I don't know beyond that.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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At 02:39 PM 12/24/2002 +0000, rashmi wrote:

>How does one remove very hot grease from around a bird in a
>roasting pan? Any nifty gizmos out there that'll help?

I use a baster that has a glass tube and a fairly large volume (large
diameter, big bulb).  Still in all, grease gets dripped, but it beats a big
spoon.  Roasting a goose definitely is not an enjoyable enterprise for the
fastidious type.  ;-->

I've thought that a large roaster (I use the French style, open, high
walls, big fixed handles) with a spigot at one end would be a boon for
things like goose and duck.


cwv

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On Tue, 24 Dec 2002, Kristin Sarv wrote:

> "...and I sall praise thee evermoir
> with sanges sweit unto thy gloir..."
>
> Ok, I've been humming Christmas songs since morning, and go on doing so,
> at the time I'll not be listening to good music.

        Hey, our madrigal group sang that one this year!  But we couldn't
sing at Barnes & Noble.  And we wanted to sing at Border's but they just
wouldn't call us back.  So we just wound up singing at a couple of
parties.

        "Personent hodie, voces puerulae, laudantes iucunde, qui nobis est
natus, summo Deo datus ... ideo gloria in excelsis Deo"

--
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Tom Lee (flint@kiva.net)
"Brightest and best of the sons of the morning, dawn on our darkness and
lend us thine aid"

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I am here. I am going to bed to wait out the nausea from the medicine.
Am so worried about Doug getting here with blizzard predicted for
tomorrow. Of course I can do nothing about it, but I am so in need of
his being here--
--
alyce

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At 10:18 AM 12/24/2002 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>I am here. I am going to bed to wait out the nausea from the medicine.
>Am so worried about Doug getting here with blizzard predicted for
>tomorrow. Of course I can do nothing about it, but I am so in need of
>his being here--

Hang in there!  Will Meals on Wheels make it today?  Thanks for checking in.

Betty

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Betty wrote:
>
> Hang in there!  Will Meals on Wheels make it today?

Yes -- it's a nice day today--sunny and 40s. It's tomorrow that is to be
bad. I have plenty of food, in any case. But I feel so crappy, and now I
am worried about Doug, about power failure in a storm, etc., etc. I am a
stupid old woman fretting like this, I suppose. Maybe weatherman will be
wrong.

alyce

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At 10:26 AM 12/24/2002 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>Betty wrote:
> >
> > Hang in there!  Will Meals on Wheels make it today?
>
>Yes -- it's a nice day today--sunny and 40s. It's tomorrow that is to be
>bad. I have plenty of food, in any case. But I feel so crappy, and now I
>am worried about Doug, about power failure in a storm, etc., etc. I am a
>stupid old woman fretting like this, I suppose. Maybe weatherman will be
>wrong.

It's easy to say not to worry because you can't help it but remember that
Doug  is responsible person and will not do anything stupid.  It just may
take him a little bit longer to get there if conditions are bad. Does he
have a cell phone so that he can call you and let you know he is just fine?

Betty

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In a message dated 12/24/2002 8:40:05 AM Central Standard Time,
rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<<
How does one remove very hot grease from around a bird in a
roasting pan? Any nifty gizmos out there that'll help?


>>

I use a baster; it can suction as well as squirt.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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In a message dated 12/24/2002 6:04:52 AM Central Standard Time,
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<<
Nice
Christmas to everybody!

>>

Merry Christmas to you, too!

Evelyn Duncan
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In a message dated 12/24/2002 9:16:20 AM Central Standard Time,
alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<<
Am so worried about Doug getting here with blizzard predicted for
tomorrow.
>>

Sending hopes that the weather will be clear until just after his
arrival.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tushar Samant" <scribble@POBOX.COM>
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> On Tue, Dec 17, 2002 at 04:06:00PM -0600, Graham Toal wrote:
> > It works.  Let's see some scores in the millions now...
> >
> > http://www.gtoal.com/wordgames/bookworm/solve.c
>
> Where's splib.h?

All the missing bits and pieces are here:
http://www.gtoal.com/wordgames/spell/
(and here: http://www.gtoal.com/wordgames/spell/SpellLib/)

The prebuilt dictionary is in the bookworm directory above; I think the
*only*
file used from the spelling checker library is the one containing dawg_init,
which
is http://www.gtoal.com/wordgames/spell/SpellLib/init.c , so apart from the
header file you're done.  Most of the stuff in the header file you won't
need:

#include "grope.h"  <-- not really needed
#include <stdio.h>

#include "dawg.h"  <-- needed
#include "porting.h" <-- probably not needed

/* The individual procedures are kept up to date by mkptypes */
#include "SpellLib/print.h"  <-- not needed
#include "SpellLib/init.h"  <-- needed
#include "SpellLib/prime.h"  <-- not needed#include "SpellLib/check.h"  <--
not needed
#include "SpellLib/pathopen.h"  <-- probably not needed
#include "SpellLib/typo.h"  <-- not needed
G

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>My place isn't very large. It'll have to be buffet style. I'm making
>Cinnamon Rolls for Breakfast for whoever wants to come over. It's my first
>time...I've wanted to make some for ages.

Ooh, do you have my Overnight Cinnamon Rolls recipe? I know I've
posted it here a time or two -- it's an absolute winner.

I'm trying a new dessert this year -- Pumpkin Pie Baked Alaska. You
make a conventional pumpkin pie, then top it with a previously frozen
pieplate full of vanilla ice cream, cover with brown sugar meringue,
and bake for a few minutes in a very hot oven. It sounds risky but
delicious. I've got fudge in the refrigerator and I'll pick up a plum
pudding at the store, just in case.

Janet

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From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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Very helpful stuff, Claude -- thanks!!

Janet
hitting the "print" key

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>Put the
>>bird on a
>>rack, breast down, in a 450F oven for the first 45 to 60 minutes.  Every 15
>>minutes or so, remove the grease from the pan (*****be prepared, the bird
>>will yield more than a quart of very hot grease*****).  About halfway
>>through the first hour, turn the bird on its back.  After an hour, the
>>yield of grease ought to be substantially diminished.
>
>How does one remove very hot grease from around a bird in a
>roasting pan? Any nifty gizmos out there that'll help?

Turkey baster.

Janet

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The nasty glass shower doors are now leaning against my storage
building.  I'll put them out on the curb Thursday.  The good news is
that they did not come crashing down, creating a maelstrom of flying
glass and blinding Spencer and me.

I still don't know what the holes are going to look like.  The rest of
the frame (along the tub edge and along the two tiled walls) is grouted
on and not budging.  I've tried knifing it (did I mention that I have a
tiny knife in my toolkit?) with no success.  I'm going to try hammering
and chiseling now.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> I am here. I am going to bed to wait out the nausea from the medicine.
> Am so worried about Doug getting here with blizzard predicted for
> tomorrow. Of course I can do nothing about it, but I am so in need of
> his being here--

I am confident that he will find a way -- a safe way -- to get there.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Betty wrote:
>
>>Hang in there!  Will Meals on Wheels make it today?
>>
>
> Yes -- it's a nice day today--sunny and 40s. It's tomorrow that is to be
> bad. I have plenty of food, in any case. But I feel so crappy, and now I
> am worried about Doug, about power failure in a storm, etc., etc. I am a
> stupid old woman fretting like this, I suppose. Maybe weatherman will be
> wrong.


        I wouldn't put too much faith in the weatherman.  So far the
storm has been a big bust for us.  We had a bit of a dusting
this morning, but hardly enough to notice.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Betty wrote:
> . Does he
> have a cell phone so that he can call you and let you know he is just fine?

He has a cell phone. I've just talked to him and he promises not to do
anything stupid, driving-wise. I will plug in my regular phone tonight
(as opposed to the cordless ones which are dependent upon electricity).
My neighbors are coming to get me if we lose power. I have oxtgen for
about 20 hours. I am panicking. Stupid and useless, but I am as sore
afraid as the shepherds in the fields were. They've upped the prediction
to 20".

alyce

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> Sending hopes that the weather will be clear until just after his
> arrival.

Thanks, Evelyn. I wish your mother well. Sorry that I missed your
initial post and have been skimming mail, so didn't realize she was so
ill.

alyce

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At 11:18 AM 12/24/2002 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>The nasty glass shower doors are now leaning against my storage
>building.  I'll put them out on the curb Thursday.  The good news is
>that they did not come crashing down, creating a maelstrom of flying
>glass and blinding Spencer and me.
>
>I still don't know what the holes are going to look like.  The rest of
>the frame (along the tub edge and along the two tiled walls) is grouted
>on and not budging.  I've tried knifing it (did I mention that I have a
>tiny knife in my toolkit?) with no success.  I'm going to try hammering
>and chiseling now.

Oh, take a photo!  Hammer and chisel are good.  They make such pretty
shower curtains now.

Betty

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At 12:28 PM 12/24/2002 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>Betty wrote:
> > . Does he
> > have a cell phone so that he can call you and let you know he is just fine?
>
>He has a cell phone. I've just talked to him and he promises not to do
>anything stupid, driving-wise. I will plug in my regular phone tonight
>(as opposed to the cordless ones which are dependent upon electricity).
>My neighbors are coming to get me if we lose power. I have oxtgen for
>about 20 hours. I am panicking. Stupid and useless, but I am as sore
>afraid as the shepherds in the fields were. They've upped the prediction
>to 20".

Sounds as if you have the bases covered. Put on your warm socks and have
some hot chicken soup. Do you have a DVD to watch?  Are you afraid of being
alone or afraid for your son who is very smart?

Betty

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Betty wrote:
 Do you have a DVD to watch?

I have 8, I think. But I cannot concentrate--my head is spinning with
"what-ifs."

> Are you afraid of being
> alone

Only to the extent that I might not have enough oxy or be unable to get
help, and I'll die and Spike will gnaw at my bones.

> afraid for your son who is very smart?

I will not be afraid for my son who is indeed very smart.

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>They've upped the prediction to 20".
>alyce

But only an inch for you tonight.  What times does his plane get in?   And
I see that it is 10 to 20 inches for you.  That means you'll get
six.  We'll be getting the storm from the other side.  What's going to hit
us is the storm that is exiting the North Carolina coast right now.   It
will track up the coast, redevelop, and hit us tomorrow evening with around
six inches of snow.

Have you looked into getting a generator, Alyce?  That's really what you
need.  They kick in automatically when power goes out and can power as much
or as little as you need.  Do you ever think of giving up the house and
going to live near one of your sons?


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:

> What times does his plane get in?

Noon, if it is able to land on time.

>   And
> I see that it is 10 to 20 inches for you.  That means you'll get
> six.

How do you determibe this?
>
> Have you looked into getting a generator, Alyce?

I would be unable to manage a generator. How would I fill it?

>  Do you ever think of giving up the house and
> going to live near one of your sons?

If I lived near one, I'd be living near both. They live on the same
street, five blocks apart. I would love to be near them, but it would
take a lot of planning and thought. Too involved for me to explain right
now.

Meals on Wheels just came. I have to cram the food into my mouth.

alyce

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At 12:38 PM 12/24/2002 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>  Do you have a DVD to watch?
>
>I have 8, I think. But I cannot concentrate--my head is spinning with
>"what-ifs."

Choose a good one to distract you or a boring one to put you to sleep.  :-)



> > Are you afraid of being
> > alone
>
>Only to the extent that I might not have enough oxy or be unable to get
>help, and I'll die and Spike will gnaw at my bones.


You said your neighbors were coming to get you if you lost power so they
can probably get you more oxygen, too. No?

There is not enough meat on your bones to interest Spike.  Leave him some
food and water just in case though.  Can you distract yourself with the
word game? I wish you could have figured out Eggsucker.  Have Doug work on
that.

I am really enjoying these bittersweet cat's tongues, btw. Thank you so much.

Betty

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On Tue, Dec 24, 2002 at 08:38:24AM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>        Beef or lamb (I can rarely get lamb) coated with flour and
> browned in olive oil, remove to covered roasing pan.  In
> drippings, sautee up some garlic, add can of chicken broth,
> two cans of chick peas, oregano, cinnamon, ginger, juice of
> a lemon.  Bring to a boil.  Add a bunch of kalamata olives
> with their brine.  Pour over meat and then let it stew for
> 325 for 1 1/2 hours.
>
>        See, not an authentic Greek recipe, but has a lot of Greek
> flavors in it.  And it is quite tasty.

I am sure it is delicious

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> > And I see that it is 10 to 20 inches for you.  That means you'll get
> > six.
>
>How do you determine this?

Experience.   I think the weather reporting people like to give you worst
case scenario.


> > Have you looked into getting a generator, Alyce?
>I would be unable to manage a generator. How would I fill it?

It could be all set up for you and ready to go in case of a storm.  You
seldom lose power for more than six or eight hours, right?   It could be
powered up for that, I would think.  Not that I know much about it.   The
elderly couple across the street from us had a generator set up for Y2K.  I
think it works off the same oil tank that your furnace works off when there
is power.

In any case, I'll bet your neighbors would brave the storm and take you to
a hospital which has a generator, long before your 20 hours of oxygen gave
out.  One reads about all kinds of heroics during a snowstorm, for example,
when a baby is about to be born.  They send the snowplow to lead the
ambulance out.  Stuff like that.   I don't blame you for being afraid.  But
I think there is lots of help available to you before we get to the
scenario of Spike snacking on your bones.

>If I lived near one, I'd be living near both. They live on the same
>street, five blocks apart. I would love to be near them, but it would
>take a lot of planning and thought. Too involved for me to explain right
>now.       --alyce

Perhaps it's time to start making those plans.  I hate to see you so
frightened.


    --bonniev

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>I am really enjoying these bittersweet cat's tongues, btw. Thank you so much.
>Betty

You still have some left???!!   Ours are long gone.   I too thank you
again, Alyce.  Clyde has visited the web page to think about getting more.


    --bonniev

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Betty wrote:

> You said your neighbors were coming to get you if you lost power so they
> can probably get you more oxygen, too. No?

Assuming everyone's phones stay on, oxygen is not too far away. It is a
groundless fear that I have about this. I know that.
>
>   Can you distract yourself with the
> word game?

Maybe.

> I wish you could have figured out Eggsucker.

Me too. I have it on Doug's to-do list, but, man, it is a long list with
some more urgent items on it than that.

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At 12:57 PM 12/24/2002 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>I am really enjoying these bittersweet cat's tongues, btw. Thank you so much.
>>Betty
>
>You still have some left???!!   Ours are long gone.   I too thank you
>again, Alyce.  Clyde has visited the web page to think about getting more.

I've been munching chocolate covered nuts, too, plus I'm more disciplined
than you.

Betty

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At 01:08 PM 12/24/2002 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > You said your neighbors were coming to get you if you lost power so they
> > can probably get you more oxygen, too. No?
>
>Assuming everyone's phones stay on, oxygen is not too far away. It is a
>groundless fear that I have about this. I know that.
> >
> >   Can you distract yourself with the
> > word game?
>
>Maybe.
>
> > I wish you could have figured out Eggsucker.
>
>Me too. I have it on Doug's to-do list, but, man, it is a long list with
>some more urgent items on it than that.

Priorities, woman!  Take care, Alyce.  What did they bring you to eat?

Betty

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bonniev wrote:
>
> You seldom lose power for more than six or eight hours, right?

Depends. In thunderstorms, it usually is back up pretty quickly. But in
the blizzard of 1997, I had no power for six days. That was on April 1,
so it was not too cold, and I stayed in the kitchen by the wood stove,
melted snow for water--a great advebture. Would be less fun now.

alyce

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bonniev wrote:
> You still have some left???!!   Ours are long gone.   I too thank you
> again, Alyce.  Clyde has visited the web page to think about getting more.

I'm glad you like them. And I like my sox and chocolate nuts and energy
bars (one left).

alyce

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On Tue, 24 Dec 2002, alyce cresap wrote:
>
> Assuming everyone's phones stay on, oxygen is not too far away. It is a
> groundless fear that I have about this. I know that.

Whew I'm glad you said this (that it is a groundless fear).  I came in
late on this and took it for groundful.  WHEW

I'm so glad you're keeping in touch with us.  WHEW again.

Sending anti-fear pro-hope rays, vibes, wishes and calming noises

Ann


> >
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> > word game?
>
> Maybe.
>
> > I wish you could have figured out Eggsucker.
>
> Me too. I have it on Doug's to-do list, but, man, it is a long list with
> some more urgent items on it than that.
>
> alyce
>

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Betty wrote:
> Priorities, woman!  Take care, Alyce.  What did they bring you to eat?

Baked ham with raisin sauce (I pushed the raisins aside, I hate 'em),
sweet potato pieces, cauliflower, very small cup of fruit salad, slice
of bread with  pat of butter, 1/2 pint milk. Ate most of ham, half of
sweets, no cauliflower because it was cold. Usually the meals are really
hot, but not today. Saving bread, milk, fruit for dinner because the ham
filled me up. No deliveries tomorrow. I have tons of food, though.

alyce

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Ann Borkin wrote:
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> Sending anti-fear pro-hope rays, vibes, wishes and calming noises

Thank you. I am in your debt.

alyce

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Because thiis is an old farmhouse, it does not have proper flooring
everywhere, and in the front hall, there are wide boards that have big
(1/2") gaps between them. THis means that when there is a light on in
the basement, it shines through. The other day the exterminator made his
monthly rounds (mice/rats/etc.) and left the basement light on.
No big deal. I can't get down there, but it was doing no harm. After he
left, I went into the living room to lie down. Normally Spike would
follow me to lie on his chaise longue, but he didn't come. Instead he
was whimpering and then howling. I called--come, Spike. More whimpers.
Then I thought he was hurt or something. Got up to see and found him
frozen at the edge of the front hall, afraid to cross over the Evil Band
of Light! I pulled and pushed him across into the living room, laughing
hard. Later, when I left the room, he remained stranded on the other
side of the Evil Band of Light. This continued until someone came to the
house and I got them to turn the light off.

I hope it is funny to you all, and not one of those you-had-to-be-there
stories.

alyce
--
alyce cresap, books & ephemera
po box 20, germantown, ny 12526
518.537.4727 | alybooks@valstar.net
http://www.alybooks.com
charter member: IOBA
independent on-line booksellers association
selling books since 1963

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http://www.arrirang.net/bestpix.html

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At 12:57 PM 12/24/2002 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>I am really enjoying these bittersweet cat's tongues, btw. Thank you so much.
>>Betty
>
>You still have some left???!!   Ours are long gone.   I too thank you
>again, Alyce.  Clyde has visited the web page to think about getting more.

Oh.  You shared?

Betty

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Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:43:00 -0600
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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        No, this is something Kira would do!  She will not pass the
Evil Vacuum Cleaner, for example.  I'd attribute it to her
being mostly blind at this point, but she's always been
weird about stuff like stepping over an extension cord.

        It is now snowing with purpose.  Ana and I did a quick run to
the grocery store for some things to make a gingerbread
house (with graham crackers) and decorate the Santa cookies,
and when we came out of the store it was starting to get
messy.  I was once again a good citizen and helped two
gentlemen get what was on their wives' shopping list (one
was looking in the condensed soup section for chicken broth,
silly fellow).

alyce cresap wrote:

> Because thiis is an old farmhouse, it does not have proper flooring
> everywhere, and in the front hall, there are wide boards that have big
> (1/2") gaps between them. THis means that when there is a light on in
> the basement, it shines through. The other day the exterminator made his
> monthly rounds (mice/rats/etc.) and left the basement light on.
> No big deal. I can't get down there, but it was doing no harm. After he
> left, I went into the living room to lie down. Normally Spike would
> follow me to lie on his chaise longue, but he didn't come. Instead he
> was whimpering and then howling. I called--come, Spike. More whimpers.
> Then I thought he was hurt or something. Got up to see and found him
> frozen at the edge of the front hall, afraid to cross over the Evil Band
> of Light! I pulled and pushed him across into the living room, laughing
> hard. Later, when I left the room, he remained stranded on the other
> side of the Evil Band of Light. This continued until someone came to the
> house and I got them to turn the light off.
>
> I hope it is funny to you all, and not one of those you-had-to-be-there
> stories.
>
> alyce
> --
> alyce cresap, books & ephemera
> po box 20, germantown, ny 12526
> 518.537.4727 | alybooks@valstar.net
> http://www.alybooks.com
> charter member: IOBA
> independent on-line booksellers association
> selling books since 1963
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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I love that photo. Jerry is so big and white, and Tushar so small and
brown. It's a shame T's head wasn't shaved then; that would have been
perfect.

Janet

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At 12:56 PM 12/24/2002 -0500, bonnie wrote:
It could be all set up for you and ready to go in case of a storm.  You
>seldom lose power for more than six or eight hours, right?   It could be
>powered up for that, I would think.  Not that I know much about it.   The
>elderly couple across the street from us had a generator set up for Y2K.  I
>think it works off the same oil tank that your furnace works off when there
>is power.

You might want to check on this, Alyce.  I think it possible that a
generator could be set up to automatically come on (after a short interval)
when the electicity goes off.  I'm reasonably sure that most
emergency-generator systems work this way.

cwv

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>I've been munching chocolate covered nuts, too, plus I'm more disciplined
>than you.      --Betty

Yeah, right.   Or maybe it's true.  The plate of cookies delivered
yesterday morning is now gone.  But I still have a tin almost full of
peanut brittle.  And one glass jar still filled with my own
chocolate-covered nuts.  I figure if this stuff isn't eaten by midnight
tomorrow, someone will come and take it away.


    --bonniev

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In a message dated 12/24/2002 11:26:26 AM Central Standard Time,
alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<<
Sorry that I missed your
initial post and have been skimming mail, so didn't realize she was so
ill.


>>

That's OK; you've had too many problems of your own.

The HR person at Sears hasn't even tried to see me, so I
might be keeping that job just to pay for Mom's copay for
the tests, medication, and appointments.  Besides, that
would make Annegret seethe; she thinks I'm the one who
went to the store manager to tell him about her taking over
the schedule and cheating Daniel.  If I do stay, I'm going to
tell her that if she even touches my schedule without my
permission, she will think that Ghana (where she came
from) will be a much better place than Tulsa for her.  She
says that she is a Christian, but she is so greedy that she
makes Scrooge (before the visits) look like Mother Teresa.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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In a message dated 12/24/2002 12:27:20 PM Central Standard Time,
alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<<
I hope it is funny to you all, and not one of those you-had-to-be-there
stories.


>>

It just reminds me of how the small things loom large in the minds of
our furbabies, such as Brandy and his fear of men wearing baseball
or truckers' caps.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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>I hope it is funny to you all, and not one of those you-had-to-be-there
>stories.     --alyce

Funny to me.  I remember when we moved from the apartment to the house in
Oak Ridge.  One of our cats wouldn't cross the vinyl kitchen floor for days
because it had a little cush to it.  We had to put down rugs and then she
carefully walked from one to the other.

Right this minute our Maine-born, part Maine coon cat is refusing to cross
the dusting of snow on the back deck.  She did this morning when I took her
out.  She got across the deck, down the stairs, and to the driveway before
shaking her head in disgust and climbing the stairs to immediately go back
in.   In the meantime, our Tennessee-born cat has been out three
times.  Wait until they see what tomorrow brings.


    --bonniev

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>>You still have some left???!!   Ours are long gone.   I too thank you
>>again, Alyce.  Clyde has visited the web page to think about getting more.
>
>Oh.  You shared?
>Betty

Clyde had the lion's share because the box said there were no dairy
products in that chocolate.


    --bonniev

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alyce cresap wrote:

> I am panicking. Stupid and useless, but I am as sore
> afraid as the shepherds in the fields were.

Don't forget that they had a happy ending.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > > > Luckily, I have to leave in about half an hour, so I won't be able to
> > > > pursue this with you.
> > >
> > > Snide insults really get on my nerves.  It's not as if I'm the only
> > > person in the world who thinks that the direct object of a verb behaves
> > > the way it behaves for me after "pitched [something or somebody]."  Or
> >
> > What snide insult?!
>
> The sentence modifier.

"Luckily"? For the observers. I don't see why this is snide.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > I thought I said you weren't a cook; that's different.
>
> I have said that I'm not obsessed with food.  I see it as fuel to keep
> the body going.  I don't think I've ever said "I'm not a cook"; in fact,
> I think I've said that dinner guests praise my cooking.

That's right. But I thought you were basing something on what I've
said, not what you've said.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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Betty wrote:

> Oh, take a photo!  Hammer and chisel are good.  They make such pretty
> shower curtains now.

I took a picture of the first budge of the frame -- with the screwdriver
hammered into it.  (I thought I had a chisel, but I guess I don't.  A
large screwdriver accomplishes the same task, though.)  I managed to get
the frame totally off, but my gosh this is some kind of mean glue.  I
wish I knew what it was in case a hand or foot or something should fall
off.  This stuff HOLDS.  I've been dousing it with paint-thinner and
Goo-Gone and something else similar to Goo-Gone and scraping with the
knife, with the screwdriver, with a steel brush, with everything.  I
don't think I'm ever going to get the gunk off.  It looks sort of like
brown paper but is thick and crusty.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Only to the extent that I might not have enough oxy or be unable to get
> help, and I'll die and Spike will gnaw at my bones.

I am confident that your neighbors won't let it come to that.  If all
else fails, they will see that you get to a hospital, which I realize is
not necessarily where you would prefer to be, but there would be
oxygen.  And your neighbors would take care of Spike while you were
away.  And he wouldn't have to gnaw your bones.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> I hope it is funny to you all, and not one of those you-had-to-be-there
> stories.

It is indeed funny and reminds me very much of Bernard, who was scared
to walk on the new flooring I had put into part of my house.  He stood
at the edge and looked pitiful.  Ditto a wooden pedestrian bridge on
Main Street that he was scared to walk across because it had tiny gaps
in it.  Spencer is much more macho.

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Rashmi Murthy said:
> How does one remove very hot grease from around a bird in a
> roasting pan? Any nifty gizmos out there that'll help?

A baster. You use it in the reverse way.:)

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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Rita Chapman said:
>         Beef or lamb (I can rarely get lamb) coated with flour and

Don't get me started. Adair County is one of the largest
lamb-producing counties in MO, but I could never fucking buy lamb! But
the lamb farmers had so much they made lamburgers out of
it. Grrrrrrrrr.

> browned in olive oil, remove to covered roasing pan.  In
> drippings, sautee up some garlic, add can of chicken broth,
> two cans of chick peas, oregano, cinnamon, ginger, juice of
> a lemon.  Bring to a boil.  Add a bunch of kalamata olives
> with their brine.  Pour over meat and then let it stew for
> 325 for 1 1/2 hours.
>
>         See, not an authentic Greek recipe, but has a lot of Greek
> flavors in it.  And it is quite tasty.

It sounds VERY good. I will make it for Ligniere when he returns from
abroad.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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Karen Kay wrote:

> "Luckily"? For the observers. I don't see why this is snide.

Correct.  If you don't see it, you don't see it.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > I have said that I'm not obsessed with food.  I see it as fuel to keep
> > the body going.  I don't think I've ever said "I'm not a cook"; in fact,
> > I think I've said that dinner guests praise my cooking.
>
> That's right. But I thought you were basing something on what I've
> said, not what you've said.

I don't remember the thread now.  I think it was about the knives, and
you said something about not expecting me to have sharp knives since I
wasn't a cook.  Something vaguely like that.

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At 01:21 PM 12/24/2002 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Karen Kay wrote:
> > > I have said that I'm not obsessed with food.  I see it as fuel to keep
> > > the body going.  I don't think I've ever said "I'm not a cook"; in fact,
> > > I think I've said that dinner guests praise my cooking.
> >
> > That's right. But I thought you were basing something on what I've
> > said, not what you've said.
>
>I don't remember the thread now.  I think it was about the knives, and
>you said something about not expecting me to have sharp knives since I
>wasn't a cook.  Something vaguely like that.

How rude. So many assumptions she makes about you.

Betty

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > "Luckily"? For the observers. I don't see why this is snide.
>
> Correct.  If you don't see it, you don't see it.

And it's not intentional. You seem to forget that part.

Karen
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Betty said:
> At 01:21 PM 12/24/2002 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > I have said that I'm not obsessed with food.  I see it as fuel to keep
> > > > the body going.  I don't think I've ever said "I'm not a cook"; in fact,
> > > > I think I've said that dinner guests praise my cooking.
> > >
> > > That's right. But I thought you were basing something on what I've
> > > said, not what you've said.
> >
> >I don't remember the thread now.  I think it was about the knives, and
> >you said something about not expecting me to have sharp knives since I
> >wasn't a cook.  Something vaguely like that.
>
> How rude. So many assumptions she makes about you.

Oh, yes, it's so one-sided. I am brutally unfair to Natalie.

Karen
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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
> You might want to check on this, Alyce.  I think it possible that a
> generator could be set up to automatically come on (after a short interval)
> when the electicity goes off.

Yes, it would have been wise. It's a funny thing, but when I first moved
up here, I investigated a generator (my b-i-l is a mfr's rep for a
generator company). But there is no real place to put it except in the
back garden and it was about $4,000--which was steep because I'd just
bought the house and had so many initial expenses. At that time I don't
remember that there was any talk about it going on automatically (I am
not saying that it is not possible-- only that it was not discussed.) As
I recall, you had to run outside and pull a cord like starting a
lawnmower, and keep pouring in gasoline. Ken and I thought that in bad
weather we wouldn't want to do it, and we both could live in primitive
conditions, which we did many times for many hours, with oil lamps,
lanterns, the fireplace, etc. So anyway, I didn't get it. Now it is late
in the day to put so much money into it, for the (probably) few more
times it might be needed. The bad part about power loss, more than
oxygen worries, is that I can't use candles when I am on pure oxy. THey
are OK with the concentrator. I have working flashlights all over, but I
learned today that my big lantern is dead. I am also out of lamp
oil--tried to get some a few weeks ago and there was none--I didn't keep
trying. Shoulda.

alyce

alyce

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>  I
> don't think I'm ever going to get the gunk off.  It looks sort of like
> brown paper but is thick and crusty.

Don't chip the porcelain with your chopping tools.

alyce

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John Hannum checks in:

> Hey, y'all.  I'm alive and doing well.  Just that with the
advent of electronic case filing at the Bankruptcy Court there's
too much email to deal with everyday for me to remain active on
the list.  Bradley Dale keeps me filled in from time to time,
however.  I'm  also no longer off on Mondays.  And back tending
bar at the Wheel on Saturdays.  I should have a few days off over
the holidays so will sign back on until after that.

Yuletide greetings, John Bartram!   I have a shitload -- er, I
mean a trainload -- of magazines for you, all nicely arranged and
annotated.  I know where to find you for delivery purposes.  The
Wheel.  Family-owned since 1948!  A Lexington institution -- nay,
a cultural benchmark, a -- how to say it? -- great place to drink
a beer and watch a ballgame.  Who could ask for anything more.
They also have a globe and heated discussions about world
geography.  I played a small part in that innovation, but I had
nothing to do with management's introduction of the pool table.
Sad to say, I think it will soon bite the dust.

(Cleanest toilet in town, by the way.)

Merry, merry to all!  And to the Wilds for that exquisite peanut
brittle, a special Merry, merry.  I take it you are not going to
share your secret recipe.  Or maybe you already have -- such are
the
perils of forgetfulness (See Billy Collins poem on that very
topic.)

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At 11:43 AM 12/24/2002 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>Betty said:
> > At 01:21 PM 12/24/2002 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > >Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > > I have said that I'm not obsessed with food.  I see it as fuel to
> keep
> > > > > the body going.  I don't think I've ever said "I'm not a cook";
> in fact,
> > > > > I think I've said that dinner guests praise my cooking.
> > > >
> > > > That's right. But I thought you were basing something on what I've
> > > > said, not what you've said.
> > >
> > >I don't remember the thread now.  I think it was about the knives, and
> > >you said something about not expecting me to have sharp knives since I
> > >wasn't a cook.  Something vaguely like that.
> >
> > How rude. So many assumptions she makes about you.
>
>Oh, yes, it's so one-sided. I am brutally unfair to Natalie.

Yes.

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My Christmas eve gift from my boss:  a walking, sparking NunZilla!  "Say
your prayers!  Nunzilla comes, breathing fiery sparks as she walks!"

Hey what's the message here.  Should I sue for sexual harassment?
Religious harassment?  I think there's entirely too much trust and
smart-assity around here.

Ann

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here:
http://www.mcphee.com/enlightenment/current/10354.html

I do like her better than the Happy Squeak Monk at
http://www.mcphee.com/enlightenment/current/M5557.html

Ann

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Ann Borkin said:
> My Christmas eve gift from my boss:  a walking, sparking NunZilla!  "Say
> your prayers!  Nunzilla comes, breathing fiery sparks as she walks!"
>
> Hey what's the message here.  Should I sue for sexual harassment?
> Religious harassment?  I think there's entirely too much trust and
> smart-assity around here.

I would be appalled at getting such a gift. But knowing it's from
McPhee makes it better.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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On Tue, 24 Dec 2002, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> YAY!  I still don't understand about why some of the outlets were
> operational earlier -- like the one the tv set was plugged into.

I don't understand it either.  All I know is there are two lines that go
into our house.  And one was zapped.  The repairman said he "could see the
gap."  Something about 110 lines?

I would never own a house by myself.  Too much to worry about.  I'd rather
have a condo by a swimming pool, across from an excellent university
library & campus.

Ann

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On Tue, 24 Dec 2002, Karen Kay wrote:
> I would be appalled at getting such a gift. But knowing it's from
> McPhee makes it better.

Why better from McPhee?

Ann

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Ann Borkin said:
> On Tue, 24 Dec 2002, Karen Kay wrote:
> > I would be appalled at getting such a gift. But knowing it's from
> > McPhee makes it better.
>
> Why better from McPhee?

Because they produce Quality Gag Gifts.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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Ann Borkin said:
> I would never own a house by myself.  Too much to worry about.

This sounds like Natalie's telling me I'm a risk-taker.

> I'd rather have a condo by a swimming pool, across from an excellent
> university library & campus.

University campuses are noisy and dirty.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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popcap has a new game, called Wordstalk. Some of you might like this
better than Bookworm.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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>I investigated a generator      ...  it was about $4,000--which was
>steep,... ...
>  you had to run outside and pull a cord like starting a
>lawnmower, and keep pouring in gasoline.       --alyce

Wow.   How long ago did you buy the house???   That sounds like some kind
of generator that one might take along into the back country.   Here the
biggest concern when many people bought generators before Y2K was that if
they aren't hooked up properly, they feed back into the electrical lines
and hurt the linemen who are trying to restore power.   I believe
generators have come a long way, baby, since you looked into it.   The only
person I know of in our neighborhood who still has one is Gary Parsons, the
lobsterman.  He probably needs it to keep the tank going where the lobsters
live.   This is the same Gary Parsons who will be wed on December 28 to
Kathy, the chambermaid at The Hearthside.  Clyde and I will be there along
with 150+ local lobstermen.  Should be interesting.


    --bonniev

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>>Oh, yes, it's so one-sided. I am brutally unfair to Natalie.    --karen
>
>Yes.   --badbetty

No, she isn't.  She might have said:  "why in the world would we think you
would take care of your knives when you don't even take care of your own
bones?"


    --bonniev

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>http://www.mcphee.com/enlightenment/current/10354.html
>
>I do like her better than the Happy Squeak Monk at
>http://www.mcphee.com/enlightenment/current/M5557.html
>Ann

I love the monk!!!   The latte and cell phone are great.  Why did your boss
give you the disciplinary nun?  Is that your persona at work??!


    --bonniev

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At 05:04 PM 12/24/2002 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>I investigated a generator      ...  it was about $4,000--which was
>>steep,... ...
>>  you had to run outside and pull a cord like starting a
>>lawnmower, and keep pouring in gasoline.       --alyce
>
>Wow.   How long ago did you buy the house???   That sounds like some kind
>of generator that one might take along into the back country.   Here the
>biggest concern when many people bought generators before Y2K was that if
>they aren't hooked up properly, they feed back into the electrical lines
>and hurt the linemen who are trying to restore power.   I believe
>generators have come a long way, baby, since you looked into it.   The only
>person I know of in our neighborhood who still has one is Gary Parsons, the
>lobsterman.  He probably needs it to keep the tank going where the lobsters
>live.   This is the same Gary Parsons who will be wed on December 28 to
>Kathy, the chambermaid at The Hearthside.  Clyde and I will be there along
>with 150+ local lobstermen.  Should be interesting.

Will his daughters be there?

Betty

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At 05:05 PM 12/24/2002 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>>Oh, yes, it's so one-sided. I am brutally unfair to Natalie.    --karen
>>
>>Yes.   --badbetty
>
>No, she isn't.  She might have said:  "why in the world would we think you
>would take care of your knives when you don't even take care of your own
>bones?"

She has been a snot to Natalie for a while, imo. It doesn't seem as if she
even thinks about what Natalie is going through watching her mother, but
whatever.

Betty

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At 05:08 PM 12/24/2002 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>http://www.mcphee.com/enlightenment/current/10354.html
>>
>>I do like her better than the Happy Squeak Monk at
>>http://www.mcphee.com/enlightenment/current/M5557.html
>>Ann
>
>I love the monk!!!   The latte and cell phone are great.  Why did your boss
>give you the disciplinary nun?  Is that your persona at work??!

I don't like joke gifts much.

Betty

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At 01:12 PM 12/24/2002 -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
>here:
>http://www.mcphee.com/enlightenment/current/10354.html
>
>I do like her better than the Happy Squeak Monk at
>http://www.mcphee.com/enlightenment/current/M5557.html

Re-gift it.  Send it to Bonnie.

Betty

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On Tue, Dec 24, 2002 at 01:12:56PM -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
> here:
> http://www.mcphee.com/enlightenment/current/10354.html

It's not trust or smart-assity, it's failure of something
or the other.

> I do like her better than the Happy Squeak Monk at
> http://www.mcphee.com/enlightenment/current/M5557.html

I have at home a (non-squeaking) "Ganesh" taking it easy
and reading a book. There were others where I bought it
from, including one with a phone and one with a computer.
But THEY WERE NOT GAGS.

Take a look at the "hindu" page. I don't recognize a
single one as a "gag".

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At 03:22 PM 12/24/2002 -0800, betty wrote:

>Will his daughters be there?

Presumably---and presumably unarmed.  I only know one of them---the one who
has managed the retail shop.  However, with about 100 or so of Gary's
lobsterman friends there, I doubt that anything untoward will happen, or
will be allowed to happen for very long.  They do not hold with unseemly
actions.

cwv

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>>This is the same Gary Parsons who will be wed on December 28 to
>>Kathy, the chambermaid at The Hearthside.  Clyde and I will be there along
>>with 150+ local lobstermen.  Should be interesting.
>
>Will his daughters be there?
>Betty

Last I heard one daughter and one son will come to the ceremony but are
refusing to come to the reception.  The ceremony will have about 15 to 20
people and be held at The Hearthside.  Clyde and I and Barry and Susan
(owners of The Hearthside) are going.  Barry and Susan's daughter, Penny,
will be the photographer.  Gary's other daughter, the one who runs the
retail lobster business, is refusing to have anything to do with the
wedding.  The son won't go to the reception because Gary invited all the
lobstermen, even those who he and his son (who often works as his father's
sternman) feud with on the water.  The one daughter won't go to the
reception because she and her lesbian partner "don't do wedding receptions".


    --bonniev

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>>here:
>>http://www.mcphee.com/enlightenment/current/10354.html
>>
>>I do like her better than the Happy Squeak Monk at
>>http://www.mcphee.com/enlightenment/current/M5557.html
>
>Re-gift it.  Send it to Bonnie.
>Betty

I was thinking the same thing.  I, in turn, know someone to re-gift it
to  --  the same woman I re-gifted the last two nun dolls I got.  I do have
a hand-painted egg nun ornament on my Christmas tree.


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:
> >
> Wow.   How long ago did you buy the house???

1987

>That sounds like some kind
> of generator that one might take along into the back country.

This IS back country.

alyce

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> >That sounds like some kind
> > of generator that one might take along into the back country.
>
>This IS back country.
>alyce

Not in that sense.  I meant in the middle of the woods where there is
nothing.  You are on the electric grid.  You have an oil tank in your
basement.   Do you know about Monitor heaters?  These also use an oil or
kerosene tank, are permanently wired, provide incredible heat for a good
square footage, and can run independently of electricity for awhile.  They
wouldn't run your oxygen, though.  But they might keep your kitchen nice
and warm.


    --bonniev

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On Tue, 24 Dec 2002, Betty wrote:
>
> Re-gift it.  Send it to Bonnie.

Bonnie, it's yours if you want it.  Really!

Say the word & give the address if you do ...

Ann

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> > Re-gift it.  Send it to Bonnie.
>
>Bonnie, it's yours if you want it.  Really!
>
>Say the word & give the address if you do ...
>Ann

Word.     15 Forest Street, Bar Harbor, ME 04609


    --bonniev

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OK!  It will probably be coming early in the New Year.  The box is torn
but I'll put it in the box anyway.

It works best (you can see the sparks best) in dim light.

Ann
On Tue, 24 Dec 2002, bonniev wrote:

> > > Re-gift it.  Send it to Bonnie.
> >
> >Bonnie, it's yours if you want it.  Really!
> >
> >Say the word & give the address if you do ...
> >Ann
>
> Word.     15 Forest Street, Bar Harbor, ME 04609
>
>
>     --bonniev
>

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On Tue, 24 Dec 2002, bonniev wrote:
>
> I love the monk!!!   The latte and cell phone are great.  Why did your boss
> give you the disciplinary nun?  Is that your persona at work??!

We don't exchange gifts - this was a one-sided gift.  I will admit that he
had told me about the fire-breathing nun (as well as others) and I laughed
hardest at that one and said I could use it.  (I did have you in mind!)

Ann

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>OK!  It will probably be coming early in the New Year.  The box is torn
>but I'll put it in the box anyway.
>
>It works best (you can see the sparks best) in dim light.
>Ann

Cool.  Thanks.  We will terrorize our cats with it.


    --bonniev

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On Tue, 24 Dec 2002, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> Take a look at the "hindu" page. I don't recognize a
> single one as a "gag".

Yes, I've looked at it and I agree.  They looked good, a lot of them - I
can't remember, were they breadboards or something?  Something useful, I
remember.

Ann

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Betty said:
> At 05:05 PM 12/24/2002 -0500, bonniev wrote:
> >>>Oh, yes, it's so one-sided. I am brutally unfair to Natalie.    --karen
> >>
> >>Yes.   --badbetty
> >
> >No, she isn't.  She might have said:  "why in the world would we think you
> >would take care of your knives when you don't even take care of your own
> >bones?"
>
> She has been a snot to Natalie for a while, imo.

Well, Natalie has been quite mean to me for a while. But Natalie has
always accused me of being snide, even when I was being pleasant. She
seems to have made up her mind to hear me that way.

> It doesn't seem as if she
> even thinks about what Natalie is going through watching her mother, but
> whatever.

I do think about it, and I remember what my Mom's death was like. I
feel for her.

So what?

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 17:56:46 -0800
From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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This is the first time I've ever done any significant Christmas
shopping on Christmas Eve; usually I'm finished a couple of weeks
beforehand. (This year I got hung up by a combination of no time and
no money.) I had a sort of superstitious dread of unruly Christmas
Eve mobs, but I'm pleased and surprised to report that most of the
stores I visited were quite calm... and some of the sales were
amazing.

In five hours, I hit a rug store, Ikea, Target, Petco and
Andronico's. Of these, only Andronico's was uncomfortably crowded
(except for one brief adventure when I made the mistake of entering
the toy department at Target).

However -- and it's a big however -- I got home to find that the
elevator here is still out of order (well, a girl can dream). I have
four long narrow packages (a rug, a rush mat for the bathroom, and
two CD towers) that all need to be carried up the stairs. Also a
rolled-up mattress, a dog bed, and three large bags of miscellaneous
tchotchkes from Ikea and Target. One or two of these aren't
Christmas-related and can, if necessary, wait for tomorrow when I
have some Dude muscle... but most of them are going to have to get
lugged up here somehow.

My plan is to watch TV all night while I wrap packages, and to carry
one new load up during every half-hour TV show. Fortunately, I have
fudge and Diet Rite to fortify me.

Janet

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Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 17:57:30 -0800
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>It just reminds me of how the small things loom large in the minds of
>our furbabies, such as Brandy and his fear of men wearing baseball
>or truckers' caps.

Amy is frightened by people who walk with canes or crutches, and
people with facial piercings.

Janet

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There's a young woman coming over this evening to pick up a book --
she's young & broke, so I'm selling her a hurt copy of "When Someone
You Love Is Kinky" that she wants to give as a gift.

I just wrote to her and offered her the book for free if she'll help
me carry all that crap up from the car.

Janet

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Snow to start around 4-6 am with 2-5" by noon. Picking up strength in
afternoon with an inch an hour, ending at midnight with accum. of 10-28"
inches. 10-18" most common with the greater amount in higher elevations.

Doug is to arrive at noon if all goes well. It is conceivable he could
beat the worst part. We shall see.

alyce
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From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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>Snow's here. I didn't think we were getting any until tomorrow.
>
>Glad you were able to get some help to carry all those packages, Janet.

We'll see. I haven't heard back from her yet. I just carried the
first load up, and took the rest out of the car and put it in the
lobby.

Janet

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Snow's here. I didn't think we were getting any until tomorrow.

Glad you were able to get some help to carry all those packages, Janet.

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Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 20:34:11 -0600
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We are back from Christmas Eve service.  The 7:00 is a
family service for the kids, while the 10:30 is the more
formal lessons and carols service.  What with it snowing and
unplowed out there, attendance was thin -- basically those
of us within a few blocks of the building.  It was still
nice, though.  We had our traditional insta-pageant (the
real pageant was Sunday) in which Rich retells the Christmas
story while various children, who are given their parts on
the way into the sanctuary, run over to Debbie to get their
little prop and go pose on the steps when their part is
called.  This year Ana got to be Mary.  She fidgeted like
crazy through the whole service, but she was a very solemn
Mary kneeling by the manger.  And I think they learned Joy
to the World at school because she belted it out tonight.

Upon arriving home, Dad informed her that he had to rescue
not one, but several elves from Vinnie, and she found her
little gift on the table by the tree.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Are you there?

just wondering

Ann

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>Are you there?
>
>just wondering       --Ann

She's watching her movies and is reassured that the storm will not get
really bad until after her son is safely at home with her and Spike.

Our forecast says:  ...Winter Storm Warning remains in effect... snow is
expected to accumulate to 12 to 16 inches by Thursday morning. In addition
northeast winds of 25 to 35 mph will cause considerable blowing and
drifting of the snow.

Clyde and I have a plan for tomorrow night:   have an Irish Coffee, shovel
five inches, have another Irish Coffee, shovel another five inches,  have a
third Irish Coffee, and forget the whole thing!  We'll be full of duck,
apple pie, and Irish whiskey.   Whoopee!


    --bonniev

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This year was the latest I've ever waited to put up the tree. It went up yesterday. Although we bought it last week, there just never seemed to be enough energy, or will, or whatever. The ornaments were packed in the loft of the backyard shed, and some days it was so hot that going up in the loft was a non-option. But finally, the weather cooled into the mid-60's, and my holiday started, and it all came together. Tree decorated, no presents under it until this afternoon. Graham had wrapped his presents but mine were all still in their shipping cartons. I was stuck in the house half the day waiting on the UPS Man. Finally he arrived with Graham's present, and something inside me decided that I could finally face wrapping the presents. 

There are no lights on the house this year. I never had enough energy, or the loft was too hot, or whatever. We had planned to put the lighted American Flag out front, but even that seemed too difficult a task. The season seems somber this year. 

We got a White Pine. I considered a fake Christmas tree but then dismissed it.  The White Pine is fluffy, not too strongly scented. When you walk into the room you don't say, "Wow, what a pine!" like the Noble Firs make you do. During the Internet Bubble years, it was Noble Firs all the way. This year the White Pine was more fitting. It hides the ornaments, they fall into its soft needles, the lights peek through gaps in the greenery. It's like a pencil sketch of a tree.

Peace and cheer to all Wordslers--

-aht

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... from T&A.

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In a message dated 12/24/2002 10:59:30 PM Central Standard Time,
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and the same to you and yours.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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Merry Christmas! I just got home from our two evening services, one
at 6 and one at 11. (The Cathedral choir sings at both of them, and we
have a pretty substantial and pretty fancy potluck supper between the
services.]

Bethany

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I have a nunzilla on my desk at work. One person, a pretentious 25 year old
developer, said he thought it was crossing the line. I laughed and told him it
depended on who drew the line. He's still puzzled over the remark.

lisa
bring it on nunzilla
> My Christmas eve gift from my boss:  a walking, sparking NunZilla!  "Say
> your prayers!  Nunzilla comes, breathing fiery sparks as she walks!"
>
> Hey what's the message here.  Should I sue for sexual harassment?
> Religious harassment?  I think there's entirely too much trust and
> smart-assity around here.
>
> Ann

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Merry Christmas everyone! I hope you all have a happy, safe and fun holiday.

My holiday breaks down like this...

Currently I'm in CT with my mother, brother and assorted other relatives. Last
night we had a huge Italian Christmas Eve dinner. From 7 pm to 11 pm we feasted
on lobster tails, oysters, calamari, scungili, macaroni, antipasto, spinach
bread, eggplant bread, plain italian bread, fried shrimp, seafood salad (not
the kind with imitation crab meat and mayo.. the kind with shrimp, lobster,
calamari, etc. mixed with oil, vinegar and a few other seasonings) and a whole
bunch of other stuff I've forgotten. Then we ate italian pastries, cookies,
candy and at the end of the night we sampled ice cream balls. This wasn't a
part of the tradition but there was something nice about the smooth ice cream
coating my throat (I've been fighting off some sorta cold since saturday) and
capping off my already full stomach.

My day is about to get fairly hectic. My mother has her own pet sitting
business and she's been very busy. She's been up since about 5 running around
feeding dogs and petting kitties. At the moment she's at church praying for the
souls of my brother and I. I've been asked to go to a customer's house because
she has a couple more stops to make and this one doesn't fit in well with the
rest.

Eventually my uncle and his wife will stop here. When we've opened gifts and
thanked each other I'll pack up my booty and head to Tina's brother's in
Milford, Ma. The weather has me on edge. It snowed, with no accumulation, here
on the CT shoreline. It's currently raining but I know that's probably not the
case in MA. It's at least a 90 minute drive from here. It's another 45 or some
from his place to our apartment.

The final leg of my Christmas tour (I do this every year and every year I swear
it's my last.. this year I'm not kidding either) is to drive home to my
apartment after sharing dinner with Tina's family. Tina and I will turn the
tree on, sip peppermint shnapps laced hot chocolate and exchange gifts. We'll
then talk and laugh until we collapse from exhaustion. I predict we last about
and hour before calling it a year and head to bed.

Tomorrow it's back to work for both of us. Believe it or not, I'm most looking
forward to going to the gym. I haven't been since Friday. During this time I've
eaten enough food to feed a family of 4 for at least a year. I feel gross. It
was all good and I enjoyed every bite but I still feel gross.

Again, I hope you all have a terrific day today. Enjoy all the trimmings and
traditions. Be safe and well.

love,

lisa

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In Knoxville! On Christmas morn! (It started sometime after 2 a.m., when I
finally retired. It had then been raining for hours.)

Bethany

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I am here. Snow very light at the moment. I am having a difficult
breathing day, as luck would have it. Therefore I am going back to bed
to conserve air. Neighbors just brought over donuts and will check back
from time to time.

Merry Christmas to all.
alyce

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In a message dated 12/25/2002 8:59:43 AM Central Standard Time,
alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<<
I am here. Snow very light at the moment. I am having a difficult
breathing day, as luck would have it. Therefore I am going back to bed
to conserve air. Neighbors just brought over donuts and will check back
from time to time.


>>

Sending prayers that your breathing will be easier, and I'm glad that
the neighbors are checking to see if you're ok.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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We've got rain: sprinkles, nothing really, but we're expecting it.  'Wind's
just staring to pick up.  I'm concerned for my friends who are out and about
today, tonight.  I hope they are safe.

Ew!  Santa gave me an REI coffee mug with a carabineer handle for clipping
to your belt/pack when done.  'Perfect for Yawgoo.

Otherwise, I'm having an awesome vicarious time watching William and Lillia
mess around with their new Honda XR70.  Ok, yeah, I did take it for a spin
;-)  Can you picture a 200 lb. man on a bike that size?  By 3rd gear, I was
laughing my arse off, my face being excitingly punished by the cold wet wind
which blew my silk robe out like that of a madman. Woo Haaa ha ha ha ha!   I
love it  ;-P

'Alan



----- Original Message -----
From: "alyce cresap" <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET>
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> I am here. Snow very light at the moment. I am having a difficult
> breathing day, as luck would have it. Therefore I am going back to bed
> to conserve air. Neighbors just brought over donuts and will check back
> from time to time.
>
> Merry Christmas to all.
> alyce

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Rashmi Murthy said:
> Snow's here. I didn't think we were getting any until tomorrow.

Here, too. I got to listen to two ambulance calls already--a rollover
and another single car accident.

Merry Christmas to all.

Karen

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At 07:52 AM 12/25/2002 -0800, karen wrote:
>Rashmi Murthy said:
> > Snow's here. I didn't think we were getting any until tomorrow.
>
>Here, too. I got to listen to two ambulance calls already--a rollover
>and another single car accident.
>
>Merry Christmas to all.

...and back at both of you...

It's clouding up rapidly after a fairly clear morning here, so it looks
like the following statement will be failry accurate.

Winter Weather Statement
Statement as of 4:47 am EST on December 25, 2002
...Blizzard Warning Tonight Through Thursday Morning..
.
snow will start later this afternoon and continue through Thursday
morning... with total accumulations of 10 to 15 inches expected. Sustained
winds of 25 to 35 mph... with gusts to 45 mph... will cause extensive
blowing and drifting snow tonight through early Thursday. The combination
of snow and winds will produce blizzard conditions across the region with
visibilities frequently reduced to a quarter mile or less. The strong winds
could also snap tree branches and contribute to scattered power outages.

High impact... the heavy snow and blowing snow across the region will
frequently limit visibilities to a quarter mile or less. Snow removal crews
could have a difficult time due to snowfall rates exceeding an inch per
hour along with blowing and drifting snow. Travel conditions will be
hazardous with greatly reduced visibilities and large snow drifts.

cwv

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Lisa Alfieri said:
> Currently I'm in CT with my mother, brother and assorted other relatives. Last
> night we had a huge Italian Christmas Eve dinner. From 7 pm to 11 pm we feasted
> on lobster tails, oysters, calamari, scungili, macaroni, antipasto, spinach
> bread, eggplant bread, plain italian bread, fried shrimp, seafood salad (not
> the kind with imitation crab meat and mayo.. the kind with shrimp, lobster,
> calamari, etc. mixed with oil, vinegar and a few other seasonings) and a whole
> bunch of other stuff I've forgotten. Then we ate italian pastries, cookies,
> candy and at the end of the night we sampled ice cream balls. This wasn't a
> part of the tradition but there was something nice about the smooth ice cream
> coating my throat (I've been fighting off some sorta cold since saturday) and
> capping off my already full stomach.

In my next life, I'm going to be Italian.

What is eggplant bread? Is there a family recipe?

> Again, I hope you all have a terrific day today. Enjoy all the trimmings and
> traditions. Be safe and well.

Sounds terrific. We're having turkey in 3 hours.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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Doug's plane landed 11:55 est. Just started snowing about 11:30, very
heavy. Don't knnow if there is more or less snow in Newburgh--prolly
more as it is south of here.

alyce
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alyce cresap said:
> Doug's plane landed 11:55 est. Just started snowing about 11:30, very
> heavy. Don't knnow if there is more or less snow in Newburgh--prolly
> more as it is south of here.

How long is the drive? I hope he gets there soon.

Actually, it's dumb to ask a question when you won't be around for the
answer. I won't be able to check in again till the 27th or 28th. I
hope he arrives safely and you feel better. I'll be thinking of you
when I'm rubbing Tushar's head the day after tomorrow.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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Scungili!  I don't know what these are but I want some.

Lisa, what does your family eat on Christmas day, then?  Leftovers, or
some completely different special meal?

Ann

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Ann Borkin said:
> Scungili!  I don't know what these are but I want some.

Conch, I think.

> Lisa, what does your family eat on Christmas day, then?  Leftovers, or
> some completely different special meal?

I don't know, but I want some.

Karen
"How can I tell you I love you in a world where cars love Shell?"

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Karen Kay wrote:
>>
> How long is the drive? I hope he gets there soon.

It should be an hour and a half. However, he called a minute ago and he
is not yet half way after an hour. Says traffic is going about 2mph and
that it was totally stopped for 10-15 minutes a little bit ago. I hope
he is not stranded on the thruway for heaven's sake. He has a larger car
with front-wheel drive, fwiw.

alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Ann Borkin said:
>
>>Scungili!  I don't know what these are but I want some.
>>
>
> Conch, I think.
>
>
>>Lisa, what does your family eat on Christmas day, then?  Leftovers, or
>>some completely different special meal?
>>
>
> I don't know, but I want some.


        Probably meat-based dishes.  Italian Christmas Eve is always
meat free, which means tons and tons of seafood.  It made me
hungry reading about it :).




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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>Scungili!  I don't know what these are but I want some.

>Lisa, what does your family eat on Christmas day, then?  Leftovers, or
>some completely different special meal?

Anything but seafood, I bet.The few times I've had Italian Christmas
dinner, it's been turkey. Nice change after all the fish the night before.

Lisa's dinner sounds incredibly delish.

-rashmi

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At last. 3-1/2 hours to do a 1-1/2 drive. Really snowing and blowing
here.
--
alyce

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On Wed, Dec 25, 2002 at 03:33:40PM -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
> At last. 3-1/2 hours to do a 1-1/2 drive. Really snowing and blowing
> here.

I am glad to know this. Very, very glad. So glad that I backspaced
over my first response, which was ... guess: "Yay!"

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At 03:33 PM 12/25/2002 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>At last. 3-1/2 hours to do a 1-1/2 drive. Really snowing and blowing
>here.

Thanks for letting us know, Alyce. I wish you both a Merry Christmas and
hope you are feeling better.
Bless his heart.  Really.

Happy Holidays to the rest of you crazy  bunch of wordslers, too!

Betty

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At 02:32 PM 12/25/2002 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>On Wed, Dec 25, 2002 at 03:33:40PM -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
> > At last. 3-1/2 hours to do a 1-1/2 drive. Really snowing and blowing
> > here.
>
>I am glad to know this. Very, very glad. So glad that I backspaced
>over my first response, which was ... guess: "Yay!"

Have you prepared a place for the List Angel yet, Tushar?

Betty

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On Tue, Dec 24, 2002 at 05:15:49PM -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Dec 2002, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > Take a look at the "hindu" page. I don't recognize a
> > single one as a "gag".
>
> Yes, I've looked at it and I agree.  They looked good, a lot of them - I
> can't remember, were they breadboards or something?  Something useful, I
> remember.

They were *lunchboxes*. Excuse me, "ANN"! I do feel nostalgic
to see them because some kids brought them to school, though
we thought there was nothing weird about it. Yes, I am risking
posting SO not rich by mentioning this. WTF kind of education
could I have gotten going to that kind of school.

But now, T Bone invariably posts rich. Now, I ponder about the
extreme weirdness of having pictures like this on children's
lunchboxes. It was almost like having the real thing: a violent
goddess with decapitated corpses around her, or a erotic god
(with many arms, heh heh heh)

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On Wed, Dec 25, 2002 at 12:44:02PM -0800, Betty wrote:
> At 02:32 PM 12/25/2002 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >On Wed, Dec 25, 2002 at 03:33:40PM -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
> >> At last. 3-1/2 hours to do a 1-1/2 drive. Really snowing and blowing
> >> here.
> >
> >I am glad to know this. Very, very glad. So glad that I backspaced
> >over my first response, which was ... guess: "Yay!"
>
> Have you prepared a place for the List Angel yet, Tushar?

In our hearts ...

Or anywhere away from my head.

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> At last. 3-1/2 hours to do a 1-1/2 drive. Really snowing and blowing
> here.
> --
> alyce

YAY!!  Enjoy.
Merry Christmas
--
Sylvia Edwards
Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/

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At 03:10 PM 12/25/2002 -0600, Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>alyce cresap wrote:
> >
> > At last. 3-1/2 hours to do a 1-1/2 drive. Really snowing and blowing
> > here.
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> > alyce
>
>YAY!!  Enjoy.
>Merry Christmas

How are you doing, Sylvia? Do your neighbors keep on eye on you?  I know
you're closer to supplies than Alyce but even so. . .

Betty

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On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 08:45:28PM -0500, bonniev wrote:
> Why?  What are you doing for Christmas, Tushar?  Did you give
> your Secret Santa gift yet?

Sorry I missed this. What I am doing for Christmas is sit on my
FATASS[tm] and look at the abundant snow on the ground and the
lake beyond. I cannot watch TV since it's brimming over with
lameass movies or singing, and hence I am taking it out on the
list. Nobody should think I am being deprived of something wonder-
ful, because I am not.

Yesterday I walked around a bit, in consideration of the fact
that it snowed seriously for the first time. It was lovely. As
I walked past my favorite Thai place I gave in and walked in and
got food to go. It was lovely. I discovered later that she had
packed in *my favorite damn dessert* for free. What a lovely
discovery. It may be because of a mistake, but I think the
innkeeper's daughter has got it for T Bone. That was a lovely
feeling. T Bone always tips for good treatment. Then I drank
a lovely half-bot which I felicitously discovered around the
house, had a lovely night's sleep and am drinking coffee right
now. I spent some time learning some lovely new programming
techniques and later I think I will go for a longish walk.

About Secret Santa: that was on balance a success. I had
deliberately picked out a bar which was Christmassy beyond
all reasonable expectation, and it was hence accepted as
"very nice". Not only did I get an excellent gift, but my
own gift was well-taken. In fact the bar lady herself said
in a cigarette-hoarse voice (to the recipient) that it was
a beautiful necklace honey.

After a few drinks we stepped across the street since some
people wanted food. This second bar and restaurant is even
more German. In fact it is so authentic we immediately felt
we had crossed the border into Wisconsin itself. I instantly
got hungry after seeing the menu, but other people could not
find anything vegetarian on it. This was surprising to all.
Nor was there anything in the nature of "bar fare", which
was apparently the theme of the rest of the evening. Hence
we walked drunk from one spot to another, each place directing
us to the next, until we reached the heart of genericville
and found what we wanted. Despite my dislike, I ate almost
all of the food they ordered and was chomping on the jalapenos
others had cast out when they cleared the plates and restored
dignity to the table. Thereafter, I drank three more pints in
protest, or was it for rejoicing in a resting spot for one's
FATASS[tm] after pushing mechanic feet, a threadless way, from
blank to blank.

After toiling through a slight headache in the morning, I
remembered our abandonment of the Brauhaus and made a note
to go there myself with no vegetarians. I had the opportunity
only a day later. This is because my long-decided-upon plan-
A fizzled out. After walking a distance and getting to the
restaurant Ixcapuzalco, conveniently located in the heart
of the north side Polish village, I discovered they were
closed for the time. They would only open after two hours.
Though hungry and expectant, T Bone was not fazed even
slightly. But when I walked up to Czerwone Jabl/usko, and
saw a line outside, I lost some of my hope. One cannot fight
through this without knowing the language. Orbit and Barbakan
were "smote on the ice" last year--to make an ethnic joke.
This is exactly the kind of emergency when inspiration
strikes, and carried by that I hopped from bus to bus
until I was back at the Brauhaus, only two days later.

No matter how much you resist it, you are forced to admit:
the place has a few "German" characteristics. Compare it to
the other great beer-drinking culture in the city, and many,
many points of contrast force themselves on your consciousness.
It is well lit. There is gleaming glass and gold wherever you
look. The bar chairs and the even formica bar are comfortably
upholstered. The chairs do not have uneven legs, nor does the
floor deviate from perfect planarity. They put a "bar table"
on the bar if you are going to eat, and it is engineered to
fit perfectly into the shape of the bar and remain solidly
horizontal. The beer glasses have ugly Sure-Grip surfaces.
(A Guinness pint-glass ensures a grip by a far subtler and
not always reliable technique. Ah, "not always reliable" can
have no place here, sorry ...) The place is climate-controlled
and warm. More to the point, these are the people who form the
backbone of old-school America. There is no counterpart of
paddyism in this place. So little of a problem does "assimi-
lation" pose to the spirit that the reality of the problem
often goes unnoticed. Yes, you might hear lame accordion music,
but it will be followed by a Cuban bolero or an R&B song. No
problem. The bartenders are mostly Croatian females--no problem.
There is no "personality" anybody has interest in imposing.

Naturally, I consumed two big ass bratwursts and a mountain of
sauerkraut, and drank two liters of beer, and walked out into
the cold in a contented frame of mind. Sheboygan style, baby!
This would have been an unacceptable episode of inebriation
within so short an interval of another, but it was extraordinary
circumstance. Under the infuence of food or drink, of course,
you can't think contrary thoughts. If you are buzzed on some-
thing you just ate or drank, you will have only one general
sentiment: Germany is great. Or: France is great or England
is great, Ireland is great, Italy is great, Belgium is great,
Greece is great, Sweden is great, Poland is great (pretty much,
Israel is the only nation to hate).

Oh, right. After that, I got kind of terrified of the extreme
comfort of the place I had left, and so I took the train to
the pub off Ashland and slammed some pts sitting on a rickety
stool at a hard knotty bar, in darkness.

This has been This American Life, dumb monologue number 143.

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On Wed, 25 Dec 2002, alyce cresap wrote:

>At last. 3-1/2 hours to do a 1-1/2 drive. Really snowing and blowing
>here.

Excellent! Take care of yourselves. Ours was only for show - no sticking
around.

Bethany

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At 04:19 PM 12/25/2002 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:

>This has been This American Life, dumb monologue number 143.

That was lovely.

Betty

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Tushar himself said:

>This has been This American Life, dumb monologue number 143.

Cool series, Tushar!

Bethany

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At 04:19 PM 12/25/2002 -0600, tushar wrote:


>This has been This American Life,

Nicely done.

  cwv

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Who setup this webserver?
If you take off the bestpix.html is a words-l site.


alec



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> http://www.arrirang.net/bestpix.html
>

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At 03:33 PM 12/25/2002 -0500, alyce wrote:
>At last. 3-1/2 hours to do a 1-1/2 drive. Really snowing and blowing
>here.


Congratulaltions to him and the season's best ot you both.

clyde

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Betty wrote:
>
> At 04:19 PM 12/25/2002 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >This has been This American Life, dumb monologue number 143.
>
> That was lovely.

If I were still the list archivist, that would have gone into the WHTM
files as WHTMDCH.

I've been quiet today because I've been extremely busy with arrangements
and clearing my mother's stuff out of her room.  She died late yesterday
afternoon.  Or I guess early night.  I can't remember the exact time.  I
knew when I visited her mid-afternoon that she looked bad.  Then around
4:30, just as I was about to put the bathroom pictures on the web (which
I will do soon -- they're ready and waiting), I got a call from the
nursing home saying that they were worried about her and were sending
her over to the emergency room for tests.  I got there before she did
and saw that she looked really bad as they were bringing her in from the
ambulance -- and she wasn't screaming in panic at being moved, the way
she usually does.  I guess it was six or so that her heart gave out.
The reason my timing is so vague is that there was some miscommunication
re summoning the coroner (he didn't get the page message from 911, which
is apparently how coroners are summoned), so he didn't arrive until
after 9:00 -- after a later paging of him.  That was a strange few
hours, sitting beside what appeared to be a sleeping Mama but realizing
that she wasn't going to wake up.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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It's mem's temporary site.  You couldn't see his hand in all that?

Betty

At 06:03 PM 12/25/2002 -0500, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>Who setup this webserver?
>If you take off the bestpix.html is a words-l site.
>
>
>alec
>
>
>
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> > http://www.arrirang.net/bestpix.html
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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
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> Who setup this webserver?
> If you take off the bestpix.html is a words-l site.

mem

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
 I am glad to know this. Very, very glad. So glad that I backspaced
> over my first response, which was ... guess: "Yay!"

Thanks for backspacing, and thanks for the tour of Chicago's high spots
for dining and drinking. Doug is napping before dinner, which explains
why I am here at this moment.

alyce

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
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> Congratulaltions to him and the season's best ot you both.

Thank you. And to you. He has admired the striped Bonniesox(TM).

alyce

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Betty wrote:

>
> How are you doing, Sylvia? Do your neighbors keep on eye on you?  I know
> you're closer to supplies than Alyce but even so. . .

Um, I don't even know the names of my neighbors any more.
I depend on 911 and good insurance.



Sly. a reclusewho's home because doc said no flying this year....  Bah
Humbug.  Is this day over yet?

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Mem set it up.  And we thank him mightily.

>Who setup this webserver?
>If you take off the bestpix.html is a words-l site.
>alec
>
> > http://www.arrirang.net/bestpix.html
> >

    --bonniev

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At 05:10 PM 12/25/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>Betty wrote:
> >
> > At 04:19 PM 12/25/2002 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > >This has been This American Life, dumb monologue number 143.
> >
> > That was lovely.
>
>If I were still the list archivist, that would have gone into the WHTM
>files as WHTMDCH.
>
>I've been quiet today because I've been extremely busy with arrangements
>and clearing my mother's stuff out of her room.  She died late yesterday
>afternoon.  Or I guess early night.  I can't remember the exact time.  I
>knew when I visited her mid-afternoon that she looked bad.  Then around
>4:30, just as I was about to put the bathroom pictures on the web (which
>I will do soon -- they're ready and waiting), I got a call from the
>nursing home saying that they were worried about her and were sending
>her over to the emergency room for tests.  I got there before she did
>and saw that she looked really bad as they were bringing her in from the
>ambulance -- and she wasn't screaming in panic at being moved, the way
>she usually does.  I guess it was six or so that her heart gave out.
>The reason my timing is so vague is that there was some miscommunication
>re summoning the coroner (he didn't get the page message from 911, which
>is apparently how coroners are summoned), so he didn't arrive until
>after 9:00 -- after a later paging of him.  That was a strange few
>hours, sitting beside what appeared to be a sleeping Mama but realizing
>that she wasn't going to wake up.

I'm so sorry, Natalie.  I'm glad you were able to be there.

Betty

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Peace and Merry Christmas to those who celebrate.


alec

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> Much deleted

Peace and cheer to all Wordslers--

-aht

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At 05:17 PM 12/25/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> >
> > How are you doing, Sylvia? Do your neighbors keep on eye on you?  I know
> > you're closer to supplies than Alyce but even so. . .
>
>Um, I don't even know the names of my neighbors any more.
>I depend on 911 and good insurance.
>
>
>
>Sly. a reclusewho's home because doc said no flying this year....  Bah
>Humbug.  Is this day over yet?

No, we haven't even eaten.  All the kids are coming soon to celebrate the
new year though aren't they?

Betty

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>>That was a strange few
>>hours, sitting beside what appeared to be a sleeping Mama but realizing
>>that she wasn't going to wake up.
>
>I'm so sorry, Natalie.  I'm glad you were able to be there.
>Betty

As am I, Natalie.  Do take care of yourself.  Were you able to reach your
brother?


    --bonniev

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Natalie, I'm so sorry.

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>Naturally, I consumed two big ass bratwursts and a mountain of
>sauerkraut, and drank two liters of beer, and walked out into
>the cold in a contented frame of mind. Sheboygan style, baby!
>T Bone

Except that, from what I'm told, one often walks out of the bars of
Sheboygan bloodied by an attack with a broken beer bottle.   Tough town.


    --bonniev

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Betty wrote:

> No, we haven't even eaten.  All the kids are coming soon to celebrate the
> new year though aren't they?

Yes.  We've moved Christmas to Sunday this year.   I got to share some
time yesterday with Austin and talked to the Georgia kids while they
opened presents.  Zach's excited, "Mimi, look, look!" was precious.
(Santa brought him a chainsaw)  Lisa used her digital camera to take
pictures.  She'll send them soon.

I've had a quiet day with sunshine and not a flurry.

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On Wed, Dec 25, 2002 at 05:10:58PM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I've been quiet today because I've been extremely busy with arrangements
> and clearing my mother's stuff out of her room.  She died late yesterday
> afternoon.  Or I guess early night.  I can't remember the exact time.  I
> knew when I visited her mid-afternoon that she looked bad.  Then around
> 4:30, just as I was about to put the bathroom pictures on the web (which
> I will do soon -- they're ready and waiting), I got a call from the
> nursing home saying that they were worried about her and were sending
> her over to the emergency room for tests.  I got there before she did
> and saw that she looked really bad as they were bringing her in from the
> ambulance -- and she wasn't screaming in panic at being moved, the way
> she usually does.  I guess it was six or so that her heart gave out.
> The reason my timing is so vague is that there was some miscommunication
> re summoning the coroner (he didn't get the page message from 911, which
> is apparently how coroners are summoned), so he didn't arrive until
> after 9:00 -- after a later paging of him.  That was a strange few
> hours, sitting beside what appeared to be a sleeping Mama but realizing
> that she wasn't going to wake up.

I am sorry to hear that.

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alyce cresap said:
> At last. 3-1/2 hours to do a 1-1/2 drive. Really snowing and blowing
> here.

Alyce, this is the best news I have had all day.

Karen

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On Wed, Dec 25, 2002 at 06:23:40PM -0500, bonniev wrote:
> >Naturally, I consumed two big ass bratwursts and a mountain of
> >sauerkraut, and drank two liters of beer, and walked out into
> >the cold in a contented frame of mind. Sheboygan style, baby!
> >T Bone
>
> Except that, from what I'm told, one often walks out of the bars of
> Sheboygan bloodied by an attack with a broken beer bottle.   Tough town.

I am not talking about a town but a state of mind.
(a very nice save)

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Tushar Samant said:
> On Wed, Dec 25, 2002 at 12:44:02PM -0800, Betty wrote:
> > At 02:32 PM 12/25/2002 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >On Wed, Dec 25, 2002 at 03:33:40PM -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
> > >> At last. 3-1/2 hours to do a 1-1/2 drive. Really snowing and blowing
> > >> here.
> > >
> > >I am glad to know this. Very, very glad. So glad that I backspaced
> > >over my first response, which was ... guess: "Yay!"
> >
> > Have you prepared a place for the List Angel yet, Tushar?
>
> In our hearts ...
>
> Or anywhere away from my head.

LOL. I'm preparing my soft suede gloves.

Karen

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On Wed, Dec 25, 2002 at 06:17:21PM -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> > I am glad to know this. Very, very glad. So glad that I backspaced
> > over my first response, which was ... guess: "Yay!"
>
> Thanks for backspacing, and thanks for the tour of Chicago's high spots
> for dining and drinking.

For you, only the highest ...

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I'm sorry, Natalie.  Now I wish she had gone to that party,
for some reason.




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On Wed, Dec 25, 2002 at 06:18:29PM -0500, bonniev wrote:
> Mem set it up.  And we thank him mightily.

We thank him even more because I went to arrirang.com by mistake

> >Who setup this webserver?
> >If you take off the bestpix.html is a words-l site.
> >alec
> >
> >> http://www.arrirang.net/bestpix.html

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http://www.maynor.net/12-24-02.html

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Natalie Maynor said:
> I've been quiet today because I've been extremely busy with arrangements
> and clearing my mother's stuff out of her room.  She died late yesterday
> afternoon.  Or I guess early night.

I"m sorry, Natalie.

Karen

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At 05:28 PM 12/25/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > No, we haven't even eaten.  All the kids are coming soon to celebrate the
> > new year though aren't they?
>
>Yes.  We've moved Christmas to Sunday this year.   I got to share some
>time yesterday with Austin and talked to the Georgia kids while they
>opened presents.  Zach's excited, "Mimi, look, look!" was precious.
>(Santa brought him a chainsaw)  Lisa used her digital camera to take
>pictures.  She'll send them soon.

Oh, good.  We got to share the joy of a two year old, too, with instant
digital photos.  Fun

Betty

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At 05:37 PM 12/25/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>On Wed, Dec 25, 2002 at 06:18:29PM -0500, bonniev wrote:
> > Mem set it up.  And we thank him mightily.
>
>We thank him even more because I went to arrirang.com by mistake
>
> > >Who setup this webserver?
> > >If you take off the bestpix.html is a words-l site.
> > >alec
> > >
> > >> http://www.arrirang.net/bestpix.html

Same thing.  Words-l stuff.

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At 05:38 PM 12/25/2002 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>http://www.maynor.net/12-24-02.html


Good job!  I'm glad that your mother got lots of cards, too!

Betty

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You have a photo collage in the bathroom?  I guess it's
something to look at.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Well, this really is my last post for a few days.

Tomorrow I have to send a fax cashing in my last 401(k), and then we
are off to Chicago for a rollicking good time. Tomorrow afternoon I'm
spending with Homemaker J from the meno newsgroup, and then I ditch
her and meet up with my sibs for dinner at an Ethiopian restuarant.
After that, "Sunday in the Park with George" at the Chicago
Shakespeare Theater.

No plans for the following morning, but we are having lunch at the
"Cheeseburger cheeseburger" place from SNL, and Tushar is invited if
he can stand it. Then I'm free till my train leaves.

Talk to you all in a couple of days.

Karen

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> > >Naturally, I consumed two big ass bratwursts and a mountain of
> > >sauerkraut, and drank two liters of beer, and walked out into
> > >the cold in a contented frame of mind. Sheboygan style, baby!
> > >T Bone
> >
> > Except that, from what I'm told, one often walks out of the bars of
> > Sheboygan bloodied by an attack with a broken beer bottle.   Tough town.
>
>I am not talking about a town but a state of mind.
>(a very nice save)

Uh huh.  I thank God every day that I escaped that town and that state of mind.


    --bonniev

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Oh, Natalie, I'm so sorry. What a way to spend your holiday. I'm glad
you were able to spend as much time with her as you did.

Janet

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> I'm so sorry, Natalie.  I'm glad you were able to be there.

Yes, Natalie, I will echo Betty:  I'm very sorry to hear this.  It's good
you were there.  Take care of yourself as you move through the rest of
saying goodbye.

Ann

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bonniev wrote:

> >I'm so sorry, Natalie.  I'm glad you were able to be there.
> >Betty
>
> As am I, Natalie.  Do take care of yourself.  Were you able to reach your
> brother?

Thank you both.  I called my RRSIL's cell phone and left a message.  She
tried to call me back pretty soon -- had heard the cell phone ringing
but couldn't find it in her purse.  I didn't have their regular phone
number in Vail.  She uses her cell phone for pretty much everything.  I
didn't get her return call because I had to once again leave my cell
phone at the front desk of the emergency room.  I knew about cell phones
and hospitals but had foolishly assumed it was like airplanes -- that it
was ok if they were turned off.  But it's not.  It's supposedly their
batteries that screw up equipment in hospitals, meaning that you can't
bring even a turned-off one in.  Anyway, I called her again not long
after that and did reach her.  They had for some reason decided to drive
to Vail this time.  They normally fly, keeping a jeep or some such
parked at the Denver airport year round.  They're driving back to
Huntsville today and tomorrow.  Thought about flying to Jackson and then
flying back to Vail but decided not to do that.  They'll get to Hville
tomorrow night and will then drive to Jackson Friday.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> I'm sorry, Natalie.  Now I wish she had gone to that party,
> for some reason.

Thanks -- to all of you -- Tushar, Sylvia, etc.  She would have hated
the party.  She was tuning out more and more.  I'm not sure that she
ever really understood that it was the Christmas season.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Betty wrote:

> >http://www.maynor.net/12-24-02.html
>
> Good job!

I dunno.  There are all kinds of scars and stuff.  But I'm still glad I
did it.  (And the bathtub was already scar-riddled.  I need to do
something about it at some point.)

> I'm glad that your mother got lots of cards, too!

She got a good many, but the sad thing is that she didn't seem to care.
She didn't even read some of the enclosed letters -- as in personal
letters to her, not general xmas letters.

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Rita Chapman wrote:
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> You have a photo collage in the bathroom?  I guess it's
> something to look at.

I've had photo collages in bathrooms before, though not in a good
while.  The reason for this one was that the collage was sitting there
in a closet and there was a nail sitting there on the bathroom wall in
that position.  Lots of people have complimented it -- mainly females
since they can sit and look at the pictures.  Standing males look
instead at a really great picture hanging over the toilet called "A la
queue!"  It's a line of dogs at a fire hydrant waiting to go with a
desperate-looking dachshund holding his crotch and trying to break in
line.  A friend of mine bought it in France for his mother.  I loved it
when I saw it, and his mother said that when she died, she wanted me to
have it.  She died shortly thereafter, and her son remembered.

I have a minor problem re towel racks now that I've taken down the glass
doors, though, and may have to use that collage place for a towel rack.
It's not a huge problem -- there are towel racks not terribly far away.
But it would be better to have one closer.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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I'm so sorry, Natalie. Hope it's some comfort that you were able to
spend so much time with her these last few months.

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>She got a good many, but the sad thing is that she didn't seem to care.
>She didn't even read some of the enclosed letters -- as in personal
>letters to her, not general xmas letters.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I wonder if she knew that it was near the end for her.  They say (and I've
seen it) that people withdraw into a smaller and smaller world before they
die.  It makes some sense.  You begin to look toward the other side and
don't much relate to things happening on this side.   I wonder if there
really is a heaven or something like it.  Right now she's up there with
your Dad having a great reunion.


    --bonniev

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>I have a minor problem re towel racks now that I've taken down the glass
>doors, though, and may have to use that collage place for a towel rack.
>It's not a huge problem -- there are towel racks not terribly far away.
>But it would be better to have one closer.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Just throw the towels up over the shower rod when they are wet and on a
shelf when they are dry.


    --bonniev

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> I'm so sorry, Natalie. Hope it's some comfort that you were able to
> spend so much time with her these last few months.

Yes, I am very glad I did get to see her every day.  And I especially
love the memory of those days when Buddy was still alive and would go
with me and lie on her bed.

I can't remember what all I've said so far and thus may be repeating
myself, but it really was time for her to go.  She was declining rapidly
and had even quit working her crossword puzzles.  She was turning into a
totally different person, one who was enduring life rather than enjoying
life.

I'm also not sure whether I mentioned how great the funeral home people
in Jackson are.  The nice man I was on and off the phone and e-mail with
for much of today has been enormously helpful.  I had thought I would
need to go to Jackson tomorrow to take care of details like
casket-choosing and obituary info, but this wonderful man at Wright &
Ferguson told me that he had pulled out the records of Daddy's funeral
and that I could choose the same casket, which I did -- that was a big
relief, and that I could e-mail him the obituary info, which I did.  And
one really great thing is that the person my mother had said for several
years now that she wanted to bury her, a former minister of our Jackson
church, now a retired bishop living in Jackson, remembered her well and
said that he would be very happy to do it.  It's not going to be a
full-fledged funeral.  She has said very adamantly for years now that
she did not want a full-fledged funeral -- that her friends were dead or
too old to come to a funeral.  And she meant it.  She wanted just a
grave-side service.  So we're going to have the funeral home visitation
late Friday afternoon and the small, short grave-side service Saturday
morning -- with Bishop Lee conducting it, just as Mama wanted.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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bonniev wrote:

> I wonder if she knew that it was near the end for her.  They say (and I've
> seen it) that people withdraw into a smaller and smaller world before they
> die.  It makes some sense.  You begin to look toward the other side and
> don't much relate to things happening on this side.

She really was doing that -- relating less and less to life on this
side.

>  I wonder if there
> really is a heaven or something like it.  Right now she's up there with
> your Dad having a great reunion.

I don't know whether there's a heaven, but I do know that if there is
one, she's in it big-time.  And she's with not only Daddy but also her
parents and all the dogs she has loved -- Hilda, Gretchen, Brooky,
Susie, Super, Tarzan, Rusty, Sam, Trouble, Dumplin, Henry, Buddy, plus
my dogs and plus all those beagle puppies (four in addition to Super and
Tarzan) she told the vet that she would save even though he advised her
to have them put to sleep after their mother was run over by a car when
the puppies were about a day old.  I've told this story before.  Every
one of them lived to adulthood.  My mother fed them a formula around the
clock with an eye-dropper at first, then moving to a doll's bottle and
baby bottle.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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bonniev wrote:

> Just throw the towels up over the shower rod when they are wet and on a
> shelf when they are dry.

The shower rod has already fallen down several times, just from the
weight of the very light shower curtain.  I found it in the curtain
section of Wmart.  I don't think it was meant to hold a shower curtain.
I turned it round and round to get it as long as possible re the walls
it's suspended between.  It's not that it's too short.  It would roll
out farther.  But I can't roll it out anymore and still get it between
those walls.  It is, however, far from capable of holding a wet towel --
or drying t-shirts.  That's one disadvantage to having torn down the
shower doors.  The top part of their frame held stuff on hangers just
fine.  But maybe I can find a stronger rod at Lowe's sometime.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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In a message dated 12/25/2002 7:38:05 PM Central Standard Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
plus all those beagle puppies (four in addition to Super and
Tarzan) she told the vet that she would save even though he advised her
to have them put to sleep after their mother was run over by a car when
the puppies were about a day old.  I've told this story before.  Every
one of them lived to adulthood.  My mother fed them a formula around the
clock with an eye-dropper at first, then moving to a doll's bottle and
baby bottle.


>>

Yes, she's in Heaven.  How does the verse go?  As you have done to the
least of these, you have also done to Me.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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That's what we have.  We finished our Christmas dinner (duck, sweet potato
fingers, brussels sprouts with pine nuts and cranberries) and after a brief
respite, went out and moved some two inches of snow from the driveway,
deck, and front walk.  By the time we had finished that (in the light of
the deck lights, plus the Christmas lights on the cedars and the spruce),
another quarter an inch or so had settled.  It already was obvious that the
wind was from the northeast.

Given the conditions, it may not be profitable to shovel again
tonight.  The wind is picking up as I write this; if it stays out of the
northeast as forecast, some of the driveway will be almost bare in the
morning, the rest will be drifts.  On the other hand, the deck, which
benefits(!) from eddy currents, will be loaded.  Chances are that neither
the back door nor the front door will be easy to open in the morning.  Not
any traffic in the neighborhood tonight; everyone is where they need to be
and no more movement is necessary.  We have been on the road on nights like
this; I sympathize with anybody out there still trying to get someplace else.

Merry, merry.

cwv

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>I had thought I would
>need to go to Jackson tomorrow to take care of details like
>casket-choosing and obituary info, but this wonderful man at Wright &
>Ferguson told me that he had pulled out the records of Daddy's funeral
>and that I could choose the same casket, which I did --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

This same thing happened when Clyde's father died.  He died in Duluth and
the funeral was in Spooner, Wisconsin.  We called the funeral home from
Duluth and the nice man said they could do everything just the way they had
done Clyde's mother's funeral, five or six years earlier.  A big
relief.  We went off to the north shore of Lake Superior for the Memorial
Day weekend and then drove down to Spooner on Monday.  Dad died on the
Thursday before Memorial Day.


    --bonniev

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Arrrooooooo!

----- Original Message -----
From: "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM>

> That's what we have... went out and moved some two inches of snow from the
driveway,
> deck, and front walk.

'Just a flake or two .. ;-)

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >I had thought I would
> >need to go to Jackson tomorrow to take care of details like
> >casket-choosing and obituary info, but this wonderful man at Wright &
> >Ferguson told me that he had pulled out the records of Daddy's funeral
> >and that I could choose the same casket, which I did --
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> This same thing happened when Clyde's father died.  He died in Duluth and
> the funeral was in Spooner, Wisconsin.  We called the funeral home from
> Duluth and the nice man said they could do everything just the way they had
> done Clyde's mother's funeral, five or six years earlier.  A big
> relief.  We went off to the north shore of Lake Superior for the Memorial
> Day weekend and then drove down to Spooner on Monday.  Dad died on the
> Thursday before Memorial Day.

I somehow have the feeling that we're not on exactly the same page.  But
that's ok.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Oh, Natalie, I'm so sorry.

I'm glad that you moved your mother to Starkville for the last several
months, though, and that you (and the dogs!) were able to spend as much
time with her as you did.

Please do take care of yourself over the next several days and beyond.

My thoughts will be with you.

--Elaine

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Natalie, I'm so sorry.

I'm glad that you got to spend as much time with your mother as
you did in the last few months.

steph

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Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 23:56:17 -0800
From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
Subject: Christmas maunderings
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The goose was delicious -- thanks, Clyde. My five attendees (me,
Dudes, and our friends Mic & Beth) made short work of a 14-lb. bird
-- there's enough meat left to pick at but not enough to use as
leftovers. Unfortunately, Miles discarded the rendered fat, not
knowing that it was valuable. Guess I'll just have to do another one
sometime.

Tried a new dessert recipe -- pumpkin pie Baked Alaska. You bake and
chill the pumpkin pie, then top with a previously frozen pieplate
full of vanilla ice cream and cover with brown sugar meringue -- run
the whole thing through a 500-degree oven for 5 minutes, then serve
immediately. Very swell, although I didn't stop to think when I
decided on it that it's essentially unleftoverable. Ah well.

We played Cranium all night, walked the dog (weather here is cold and
drizzly but not too bad if you dress warmly), had a very lovely quiet
holiday. A couple of friends called early in the evening to invite me
out to dinner, knowing that this was my first single Christmas in a
long time -- of course I had other plans, but it was very nice to
know that people were thinking of me. I had a couple of very sad
moments today wondering what Jay was doing -- he *hates* being alone
over the holidays, so I hope he found someplace nice to be -- but
since he doesn't want to talk to me I have no way of knowing what
he's up to. I do miss him, though :(

My best present this year was a pair of framed caricatures of the
Dudes: apparently my mother's big anniversary party back in August
featured a wandering caricaturist. They're both funny and pretty good
likenesses; I like them a lot. Ben gave me a DVD of The Muppet Movie
along with a Dr. Teeth action figure. Miles gave me an Edward Gorey
"Dracula" folding theater (he knows that I saw it in NY with Frank
Langella years and years ago, and loved it).

Tomorrow I have to put in a few hours' work, then we're going to go
see "Catch Me If You Can" (assuming we can get in). Both Dudes are
heading back to Sacramento on Friday morning, so I've got the weekend
to myself to start getting this place ready for New Year's Eve...
although the tidying we did for today is a good portion of the work
that needs to be done. It's odd and a little sad only having Miles
here for a couple of days, but he has to go back for rehearsals on
the 2nd.

I'm really starting to settle in here, I think. There are still a lot
of boxes (mostly art and tchotchkes) that need to be unpacked, and a
fair amount of painting to be done... but the furniture is all in
place, I've bought a couple of area rugs to warm the floor up a bit,
and it's starting to look & feel like home. I'll try to take a few
photos in the next week and post them so you can all see.

Well, it's about midnight, so I guess Christmas is officially over.
Good night, everyone.

Janet

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14:06 22.12.2002 -0600 skrev Anne Toal:
>Allow me to introduce your new admin, Adam Hartfield. Adam's career as a wordsler spans over 10 years and he is widely known and loved for his patience and even temperament, his sweet disposition, and his fairness. He brings a knowledge of words-l tradition combined with an open mind always ready to listen to new ideas. He will make a splendid admin for this group and I hope you will join me in welcoming this List Honey Long-Timer in his new role.
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>Now let the ass-kissing begin! All Hail Adam! the Queen is dead, long live the King! Wo0t!!!

Hail!

Espen

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steph wrote:

> I'm glad that you got to spend as much time with your mother as
> you did in the last few months.

Thanks -- to you and to Elaine.  She ended up living in Starkville for
almost eight months.  In a way it doesn't seem that long.  She moved
here May 1.

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On Wed, 25 Dec 2002, Janet Hardy wrote:

>Well, it's about midnight, so I guess Christmas is officially over.
>Good night, everyone.

Not! You still have eleven more days to enjoy Christmas! It's much too
early for bahhumbug. Christmas just started ...

And I will be spending part of the 12 days of Christmas at the Abbey of
Gethsemani. I'll drive up tomorrow and stay until Monday morning. This
will be the first time I have been there during Christmas.

Bethany

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 From the NWS:
Winter Weather Statement
Statement as of 4:53 am EST on December 26, 2002.

..A Blizzard Warning Remains In Effect This Morning...

 blizzard conditions due to heavy snow and strong winds will continue this
morning... with improving conditions later this morning. Sustained winds of
25 to 35 mph will persist today... with gusts to around 45 mph still
possible early. The combination of wind and snow could cause whiteout
conditions at times along with considerable blowing and drifting of snow.
An additional 2 to 3 inches of snow is expected this morning... bringing
storm total snow accumulations of 12 to 16 inches.

Extreme impact... very strong winds of up to 45 mph... combined with heavy
snow... will create potentially deadly outdoor conditions... with whiteouts
and deep snow drifts expected.

Travel is discouraged this morning. If you must travel... be sure to take
along a winter survival kit. Include extra clothes and boots... food...
water... a flashlight and snow shovel along with tire chains.

=================

Well, they are correct.  At 0825 EST, it looks like the snow has pretty
much stopped; the stuff in the air is just being redistributed in the high,
gusty wind.  The east-facing rooftops are nearly clear; the west-facing
ones are loaded with snow.  As I expected, there is a bare spot on our
driveway, near the door.  Then there is a very handsome, aeolian drift,
perhaps 18 inches deep.  It is about 25F, with a wind-chill equivalent of
about 12.  I broke the fleece-lined jeans out this morning.

Not much movement out there, save for the snow.  Why is it that a whistling
teakettle suggests warmth and comfort but a whistling wind the opposite?

Amy, from down the street a bit, just came over to borrow Grandpa Parsons's
snowblower.  She is now directing Tim, her husband, as to operation and
tactics.  Amy is a very busy person (well, three daughters will help that
along) with a voice that carries well.  Even this wind has no chance
against Amy in full cry.

Hmmm---just saw the second vehicle go past.  Like always in this area, if
you can get out of your own driveway, you can get just about anyplace you
want to.  Haven't seen the private snowplows yet.  I imagine that some of
the long driveways and private roads are a bit of a challenge for them this
morning.  Speaking of challenges, I think I'll need a couple more cups of
coffee, then some shoveling, then set up some bread.  Seems like a good day
for soup and bread.

cwv

cwv

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Ingjerd gave me ice skates for Christmas. There is a small skating place in the park about 100 metres away from our flat, so today I will test my operated knee on skates - I haven't done skating since 1981 or thereabout, so I wondered how this would go.

And it worked very well! A few seconds of Bambi-like behaviour and then my legs seemed to remember how to skate. And although I felt it in my knee after a while, it definitely worked!

Now tomorrow more skating and the day after that cross country skiing - we hope.

Espen

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17:10 25.12.2002 -0600 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>I've been quiet today because I've been extremely busy with arrangements
>and clearing my mother's stuff out of her room.  She died late yesterday
>afternoon.  Or I guess early night.  I can't remember the exact time.  I

My warmest wishes to you, Natalie.

Espen

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15:06 23.12.2002 -0600 skrev Rita Chapman:
>The combination of imminent holidays and a major snow storm
>on the way made the grocery store a nightmare.  I did manage
>to get the ingredients for my greek style stew for dinner
>tonight, but I almost didn't make it.

Some kind of stifado?

Espen

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> Tomorrow I have to put in a few hours' work, then we're going to go
> see "Catch Me If You Can" (assuming we can get in).

Graham and I saw that movie last night. We despaired when we arrived at the
theater and saw the full parking lot with cars overflowing into the vacant
lots on both side of the theater. Then there was a 20 minute line at the
ticket windows. He was worried that the crowd was all there to see CMIYC,
but I guessed they were all there to see Lord of the Rings and J.Lo in Maid
in Manhattan. With Lord showing on 4 screens and J.Lo on 4 more, those two
movies alone accounted for most of the crowd. Catch Me was playing on two
screens, and the seats in the theater we landed in were over half empty.
Good crowd, though. Applause actually broke out when the end credits rolled.

-aht

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Tom Lee wrote:

> > "...and I sall praise thee evermoir
> > with sanges sweit unto thy gloir..."
> >
>         Hey, our madrigal group sang that one this year!

And we, too -- The Alumni Choir of the Academic Women's Choir of Tartu
University (what a lo-o-ong name:-)). Btw, I'm not sure of the spelling
"sweit" here whether it is like Britten used the verse, and how it is spelled
in "The Galaxy of..." (-- oh, my, now, what was the heading of the book
Britten used for his Carols?). I haven't had possibility to read the book, so
I do not know even, whether this particular poem originates from 14th, or
15th, or 17th century although some time ago I took out all my old notes taken
of the lectures of HEL and tried to trace the spelling transformations -- but
it varied so greatly at those times.

Kristin

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> Merry Christmas to you, too!

Thank you, Evelyn. And I hope your Mother will be able to fight her
disease. Sorry to hear about it.

Kristin

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Could all the northeasterners please check in?   I'm worried that even
though Alyce's son got there, they may have lost power in the night.  It
sounds like their region, or just a bit to the north and west, took the
brunt of the storm.

And did Lisa safely make it home to Boston to light the tree, exchange
presents, and fall into bed.

What about Marie?   How is everyone?

Clyde and I got the driveway shoveled.  He then shoveled the front walk and
I shoveled a path to the back door along the deck.  We took a picture of
that so we can share December 26 with you all next July 4th as we sit on
the same deck and party.


    --bonniev

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At 10:02 AM 12/25/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>Scungili!  I don't know what these are but I want some.
>
>Lisa, what does your family eat on Christmas day, then?  Leftovers, or
>some completely different special meal?
>
>Ann

Glad you enjoyed my Christmas menu.

As Karen has correctly answered, scungili is conch. I love it, my mother
isn't so crazy about it, my brother inhales everything so I'm pretty sure
he has no idea what it tastes like. I'd say it's close to calamari but
looks god awful.

Christmas day varies from family to family. We always had turkey and
lasagna. My godmother is having, turkey, a roast of some sort and lasagna.
Some I know do ham. I don't think I know anyone who doesn't have  lasagna
with their meat. Then again I don't know anyone who doesn't have a holiday
without lasagna.

Today we start eating the leftovers. We went to Tina's brother's yesterday.
Due to the storm we blew out of there before we could get leftover turkey,
roast or stuffed shells. I have a huge box full of fried shrimp, linguini
with the fish sauce, marinated string beans (did I mention those in my
email yesterday... they are the best things on the face of the earth!),
spinach bread eggplant bread, hot peppers (we had them stuffed with tuna..
made with vinegar.. the other night but the ones I brought home were canned
this summer and not yet stuffed).

Karen, the eggplant and spinach bread come from bakeries so I don't have a
family recipe for them. Basically it's a thin crust of bread that's wrapped
around eggplant parm. They go light on the cheese so it's not as heavy as a
sandwich would be. They also have broccoli bread and pepperoni and cheese
bread. Eggplant and pepperoni and cheese are relatively knew on the scene.
In my childhood it was only broccoli or spinach which are heavy on the
garlic and usually have a little crushed red pepper in them.

It was a good Christmas. I'd say it was great but the snow, which I spent
the day unsuccessfully trying to out run, put a bit more stress then I
would have liked. I'm definitely happy to be 1 of 5 people in the office
today, it's actually relaxing. Besides, it keeps me from having to either
grocery shop and/or clean the apartment which Tina and I trashed last night
while opening our gifts.

Happy Boxing Day...

lisa

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... that is, my telephone is wireless since I yesterday happened to touch the
little box on the wall with its wires in it. That's actually why I came to the
office today, to telephone to some people who might have tried to call me up.

Kristin Sarv wrote:

> one more (semi-)personal wish: have powerful
> Christmas!

I should have added in time, "and wire-full", at least for those who have no
wireless phones which are meant to be wireless.

Kristin

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On Wed, 25 Dec 2002, Tushar Samant wrote:

> We thank him even more because I went to arrirang.com by mistake

I just went to arrirang.com but a message from my employer popped up and
said I was denied access!  I never saw that before.

Ann

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I've been quiet today because

I'm sorry, Natalie.

Kristin

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>And did Lisa safely make it home to Boston to light the tree, exchange
>presents, and fall into bed.

Thanks for thinking of me. I did make it everyone where I had to go. It
wasn't easy and I think my arms are still cramped from gripping my steering
wheel so tightly.

My predication was nearly on target I think I lasted 90 minutes before I
tossed myself into bed.

lisa

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At 07:52 AM 12/25/2002 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>Rashmi Murthy said:
> > Snow's here. I didn't think we were getting any until tomorrow.
>
>Here, too. I got to listen to two ambulance calls already--a rollover
>and another single car accident.
>
>Merry Christmas to all.
>
>Karen

It was raining when I left CT yesterday. By the time I neared the MA border
there was slush on the highway. Traffic was reduced to one lane as there
were no plows and/or salt. I drove for about 30 minutes and saw 4
accidents. None of them were major in terms of injuries as I saw all the
drivers standing on the side of the road. The damage to the vehicles ranged
from fender bender to "call the tow truck". Definitely not a good Christmas
present for those people.

lisa

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At 11:56 PM 12/25/2002 -0800, Janet Hardy wrote:
>Well, it's about midnight, so I guess Christmas is officially over.
>Good night, everyone.

Good report. Sounds as if this is all going to work out-your new place, I mean.

We're going to pack up today and get ready to head south for the rest of
the break. In January or February let's all head up to Santa Rosa and
invade Myles's  territory. We have to check out that new Thai restaurant
that he was telling us about.

What did Miles do with the goose fat?

Betty

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On Wed, Dec 25, 2002 at 05:38:52PM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= http://www.maynor.net/12-24-02.html
=

What happened to the pictures?  I was looking at them this
morning, and the first time the page came up ok, but then I hit
the back button to look at them and the html disappeared.  Did
you do this or are the kabouters (dutch gremlins) getting loose?

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Espen S. Ore wrote:

> Ingjerd gave me ice skates for Christmas. There is a small skating place in the park about 100 metres away from our flat, so today I will test my operated knee on skates - I haven't done skating since 1981 or thereabout, so I wondered how this would go.
>
> And it worked very well! A few seconds of Bambi-like behaviour and then my legs seemed to remember how to skate. And although I felt it in my knee after a while, it definitely worked!
>
> Now tomorrow more skating and the day after that cross country skiing - we hope.
>


        Ana has been asking me to go skating, so maybe this afternoon
we'll walk over to the rink and spend a couple of hours.
She's fearless on the ice.  When she was a toddler, she
hated to touch snow, so I thought there was a glitch in her
genes, but the New England comes through when she skates.

        In the meantime, I'm puttering around the house and
organizing all those little piles of crap that seem to
proliferate when one has no time to deal with clutter.

        I am so much enjoying watching Ana play with her Breyer
Spirit set.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 10:41:58 -0800
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>At 11:56 PM 12/25/2002 -0800, Janet Hardy wrote:
>>Well, it's about midnight, so I guess Christmas is officially over.
>>Good night, everyone.
>
>Good report. Sounds as if this is all going to work out-your new
>place, I mean.
>
>We're going to pack up today and get ready to head south for the rest of
>the break. In January or February let's all head up to Santa Rosa and
>invade Myles's  territory. We have to check out that new Thai restaurant
>that he was telling us about.

Sounds like a great plan. I've got a couple of out-of-town weekends
coming up in those months, so let's plan early.

>What did Miles do with the goose fat?

Ran it down the disposal :(  But he says he followed it up with lots
of hot water, so I guess it should be OK.

Janet

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On Thu, Dec 26, 2002 at 08:11:40AM -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> > We thank him even more because I went to arrirang.com by mistake
>
> I just went to arrirang.com but a message from my employer popped up and
> said I was denied access!  I never saw that before.

Thank the firm for shielding you from it, Dr Ann. It's not for
your innocent eyes.

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>  > Tomorrow I have to put in a few hours' work, then we're going to go
>>  see "Catch Me If You Can" (assuming we can get in).
>
>Graham and I saw that movie last night. We despaired when we arrived at the
>theater and saw the full parking lot with cars overflowing into the vacant
>lots on both side of the theater. Then there was a 20 minute line at the
>ticket windows. He was worried that the crowd was all there to see CMIYC,
>but I guessed they were all there to see Lord of the Rings and J.Lo in Maid
>in Manhattan. With Lord showing on 4 screens and J.Lo on 4 more, those two
>movies alone accounted for most of the crowd. Catch Me was playing on two
>screens, and the seats in the theater we landed in were over half empty.
>Good crowd, though. Applause actually broke out when the end credits rolled.

I doubt that that'll be the case here in the BA -- our film audiences
traditionally buck the trends in the rest of the country, and I
suspect this movie will be right up a lot of folks' alley. But if we
do a twilight show or some such, we should be OK.

Janet

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On Thu, Dec 26, 2002 at 11:48:09AM -0500, lisa alfieri wrote:
> Thanks for thinking of me. I did make it everyone where I had to go. It
> wasn't easy and I think my arms are still cramped from gripping my steering
> wheel so tightly.

Too cramped to type commas, I see ...

> My predication was nearly on target I think I lasted 90 minutes before I
> tossed myself into bed.

Lasted at what?

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On 26 Dec 2002 at 8:11, Ann Borkin wrote:

> I just went to arrirang.com but a message from my employer popped up and
> said I was denied access!  I never saw that before.

Just out of curiosity, does it also block you when you use
http://www.words-l.net
?

I guess I'm wondering about the criteria for blocking web sites.


    mem

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Michael E. Macmillan wrote:

> On 26 Dec 2002 at 8:11, Ann Borkin wrote:
>
>
>>I just went to arrirang.com but a message from my employer popped up and
>>said I was denied access!  I never saw that before.
>>
>
> Just out of curiosity, does it also block you when you use
> http://www.words-l.net
> ?
>
> I guess I'm wondering about the criteria for blocking web sites.


        Tee hee!  Mem, the impossibly naive.



--
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rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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On 26 Dec 2002 at 12:57, Rita Chapman wrote:

>    Tee hee!  Mem, the impossibly naive.

Explain it to me, Teach.

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Michael E. Macmillan wrote:

> On 26 Dec 2002 at 12:57, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>   Tee hee!  Mem, the impossibly naive.
>>
>
> Explain it to me, Teach.


        I think it requires a self-directed web quest.  Visit the
site and posit a hypothesis.




--
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On Thu, Dec 26, 2002 at 08:47:53AM -1000, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
> On 26 Dec 2002 at 8:11, Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> > I just went to arrirang.com but a message from my employer popped up and
> > said I was denied access!  I never saw that before.
>
> Just out of curiosity, does it also block you when you use
> http://www.words-l.net
> ?

Excuse me! It's the *com* site we are talking about!

What's Arrirang anyway? A city? I can't get a hold of
what Korean "sounds" like, at all. Every word sounds
inconsistent with the other. Some sound European,
some sound Indian, some sound African. What a freakin
axis of evil ...

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On Thu, Dec 26, 2002 at 01:14:32PM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Visit the site and posit a hypothesis.

Slamming rhymes, poet!

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On 26 Dec 2002 at 13:14, Rita Chapman wrote:

>         I think it requires a self-directed web quest.  Visit the
> site and posit a hypothesis.

I'm a victim of my careless reading. Yes, I see the problem.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> Could all the northeasterners please check in?   I'm worried that even
> though Alyce's son got there, they may have lost power in the night.

We did not lose power. It was very windy, and we were fearful, but all
was and is OK. Beautiful today--bright blue sky and about 40F. I think
we had about 12" here on my property, but it varied widely, with over
twice that not far away.

How much snow did you get?

alyce

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On Thu, Dec 26, 2002 at 02:26:27PM -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
> We did not lose power. It was very windy, and we were fearful, but all
> was and is OK. Beautiful today--bright blue sky and about 40F. I think
> we had about 12" here on my property, but it varied widely, with over
> twice that not far away.
>
> How much snow did you get?

You see ... it's all completely OK.

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>We did not lose power. It was very windy, and we were fearful, but all
>was and is OK. Beautiful today--bright blue sky and about 40F. I think
>we had about 12" here on my property, but it varied widely, with over
>twice that not far away.
>
>How much snow did you get?     --alyce

I'm so glad you are o.k. !   I think we got about 16 inches of snow.  Not
sure because it is drifted high in some spots and bare in others.  I just
now finished shoveling off the back deck which was harder than the driveway
because one has to lift the snow up over the railing.  While I was at it, I
got the roof rake and did a little of that also.  Between shoveling the
driveway and shoveling the deck, we walked down to town.  Sure is
pretty.  Had a spot of lunch at Geddy's.

We discovered what downeast winter dating is like.  Grandpa Parsons teenage
grandson came to plow them out.  He had a young girl with him.  There they
sat in the pick up truck and went back and forth, pushing snow.  Hot
date!   The grandson did make at least $20 after he got Grandpa plowed out
by doing our two neighbors parking areas.   We were about the only ones in
the neighborhood still using shovels with no snowplows and no
snowblowers.  Not sure if we are brave or just foolish.


    --bonniev

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At 12:43 PM 12/26/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>On Thu, Dec 26, 2002 at 11:48:09AM -0500, lisa alfieri wrote:
> > Thanks for thinking of me. I did make it everyone where I had to go. It
> > wasn't easy and I think my arms are still cramped from gripping my steering
> > wheel so tightly.
>
>Too cramped to type commas, I see ...

fuck <comma> off.


> > My predication was nearly on target I think I lasted 90 minutes before I
> > tossed myself into bed.
>
>Lasted at what?

read <comma> my <comma> original <comma> post.

merry merry.

lisa

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At 05:57 PM 12/24/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>>It just reminds me of how the small things loom large in the minds of
>>our furbabies, such as Brandy and his fear of men wearing baseball
>>or truckers' caps.
>
>Amy is frightened by people who walk with canes or crutches, and
>people with facial piercings.
>
>Janet

I'm afraid of facial piercings too!

lisa

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> You see ... it's all completely OK.

Yes, but the next town over (where I get groceries) did lose power and
it is not back on yet.

alyce

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I never understood the question in the subject line.

Ann

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steph wrote:
>
> On Wed, Dec 25, 2002 at 05:38:52PM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> = http://www.maynor.net/12-24-02.html
> =
> What happened to the pictures?  I was looking at them this
> morning, and the first time the page came up ok, but then I hit
> the back button to look at them and the html disappeared.  Did
> you do this or are the kabouters (dutch gremlins) getting loose?

I just checked, and they seem fine.  But be the dutch gremlins zapping
them on that end.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 12:45 PM 12/26/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>I never understood the question in the subject line.

Because you never got to the web page.  It was a photo labeled "The Best
Words-L Photo Ever" and it was a photo of Tushar, with hair, and Jerry
Silverman, with longer hair.

I can't believe that you have a Nanny Guard at work!

Betty

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@pobox.com>
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On Thu, Dec 26, 2002 at 12:55:06PM -0800, Betty wrote:
> At 12:45 PM 12/26/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> >I never understood the question in the subject line.
>
> Because you never got to the web page.  It was a photo labeled "The Best
> Words-L Photo Ever" and it was a photo of Tushar, with hair, and Jerry
> Silverman, with longer hair.
>
> I can't believe that you have a Nanny Guard at work!

It's a law firm, BETTY! Excuse me!

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On 26 Dec 2002 at 13:19, Tushar Samant wrote:

> What's Arrirang anyway?

A misspelling, actually. It should have been arirang.

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On Thu, 26 Dec 2002, Betty wrote:
>
> Because you never got to the web page.  It was a photo labeled "The Best
> Words-L Photo Ever" and it was a photo of Tushar, with hair, and Jerry
> Silverman, with longer hair.

I did get to the page - but I still don't understand the question.  Does
it mean "Is this true" in the sense of "do you have hair on your head"?
>
> I can't believe that you have a Nanny Guard at work!

Me either.  It's the first time I've seen it, but I don't know if that
means they just put it up (they've been warning about more intense
security) or if I've just been such a tame boring browser user I've never
seen it before.

Ann

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On Thu, Dec 26, 2002 at 12:55:06PM -0800, Betty wrote:
> At 12:45 PM 12/26/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> >I never understood the question in the subject line.
>
> Because you never got to the web page.  It was a photo labeled "The Best
> Words-L Photo Ever" and it was a photo of Tushar, with hair, and Jerry
> Silverman, with longer hair.

I still don't get the question. Did you mean "is the photograph
lying"? Who would make a photograph lie in this case? Why? Feh.

As for Janet's liking this picture, maybe she should procure one
of those pictures which I saw everywhere about ten years ago. It
was a little old British lady--some would call her dumpy--wearing
the whole "safari" paraphernalia holding hands with this completely
black and extremely tall young Masai guy wearing almost nothing.
They are negotiating some kind of tricky bend in the path. It was
absurd and funny. I saw it all over the place for a few months and
then it disappeared--kind of like Frieda Kahlo's self portrait.

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On Thu, Dec 26, 2002 at 02:15:17PM -0500, lisa alfieri wrote:
> At 12:43 PM 12/26/2002 -0600, you wrote:
> >On Thu, Dec 26, 2002 at 11:48:09AM -0500, lisa alfieri wrote:
> >> Thanks for thinking of me. I did make it everyone where I had to go. It
> >> wasn't easy and I think my arms are still cramped from gripping my
> >steering
> >> wheel so tightly.
> >
> >Too cramped to type commas, I see ...
>
> fuck <comma> off.
>
> >> My predication was nearly on target I think I lasted 90 minutes before I
> >> tossed myself into bed.
> >
> >Lasted at what?
>
> read <comma> my <comma> original <comma> post.
>
> merry merry.

These words out of that mouth? I am a touch disapppointed.

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From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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>As for Janet's liking this picture, maybe she should procure one
>of those pictures which I saw everywhere about ten years ago. It
>was a little old British lady--some would call her dumpy--wearing
>the whole "safari" paraphernalia holding hands with this completely
>black and extremely tall young Masai guy wearing almost nothing.
>They are negotiating some kind of tricky bend in the path. It was
>absurd and funny. I saw it all over the place for a few months and
>then it disappeared--kind of like Frieda Kahlo's self portrait.

I do remember that photo, and it struck me funny in much the same
way. Likewise a scene a year or two back, when I saw my friend Darren
(6'7", 350 lbs. and a dead ringer for Bluto) playing with Megan, the
baby I helped deliver (at the time about 24" tall and maybe 30 lbs.,
most of it blue eyes and blond curls). How different do two people
have to get before they stop counting as the same species?

Janet

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At 01:01 PM 12/26/2002 -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
>On Thu, 26 Dec 2002, Betty wrote:
> >
> > Because you never got to the web page.  It was a photo labeled "The Best
> > Words-L Photo Ever" and it was a photo of Tushar, with hair, and Jerry
> > Silverman, with longer hair.
>
>I did get to the page - but I still don't understand the question.  Does
>it mean "Is this true" in the sense of "do you have hair on your head"?

No.  I'm asking Tushar if it really is "The Best Words-L Photo Ever".

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bonniev:

>by doing our two neighbors parking areas.   We were about the only ones in
>the neighborhood still using shovels with no snowplows and no
>snowblowers.  Not sure if we are brave or just foolish.

Infatuated.

-rashmi, the cynic

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At 02:55 PM 12/26/2002 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>On Thu, Dec 26, 2002 at 12:55:06PM -0800, Betty wrote:
> > At 12:45 PM 12/26/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> > >I never understood the question in the subject line.
> >
> > Because you never got to the web page.  It was a photo labeled "The Best
> > Words-L Photo Ever" and it was a photo of Tushar, with hair, and Jerry
> > Silverman, with longer hair.
> >
> > I can't believe that you have a Nanny Guard at work!
>
>It's a law firm, BETTY! Excuse me!


She is doing words-l mail at work???

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I'm thinking of selling my laserdisc collection on eBay. These are 12-inch
platters that don't flex or bounce well. Therefore I need to find a suitable
carton for shipping. The USPS Priority Mail cartons aren't the proper size,
neither are the Fedex ones. Does anyone have any suggestions for shipping?
Or maybe there's an internet resource for shipping materials?

Thanks,
-aht

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=
= I just checked, and they seem fine.  But be the dutch gremlins zapping
= them on that end.
=
= --
=  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

yup. looks fine now.  apparently the kabouters don't get to leave
the country!

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@pobox.com>
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On Thu, Dec 26, 2002 at 01:21:18PM -0800, Betty wrote:
> At 02:55 PM 12/26/2002 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >On Thu, Dec 26, 2002 at 12:55:06PM -0800, Betty wrote:
> >> At 12:45 PM 12/26/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> >> >I never understood the question in the subject line.
> >>
> >> Because you never got to the web page.  It was a photo labeled "The Best
> >> Words-L Photo Ever" and it was a photo of Tushar, with hair, and Jerry
> >> Silverman, with longer hair.
> >>
> >> I can't believe that you have a Nanny Guard at work!
> >
> >It's a law firm, BETTY! Excuse me!
>
> She is doing words-l mail at work???

OBJECTION!

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        Murgatroyd !

        Did you watch Magpie as a kid ?

        Roy

Indeed I did!  "One for sorrow, two for joy...  ...  maaaaag...pieeee!!!"

I also had about 6 Blue Peter badges.

Now I make my own, it's a lot easier.

G
(Excuse the late response but Having A Life can be very time-consuming...)

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> > >It's a law firm, BETTY! Excuse me!
> >
> > She is doing words-l mail at work???
>
> OBJECTION!

I SECOND THAT OBJECTION!

Ann

